sk-discussion

[orchid rune]

i just told you that your prob just spend it your gold points are no different then other end of discussion

[nimble pebble]

Or I have le epic glitch

[orchid rune]

ok that was funny

[nimble pebble]

[orchid rune]

we did it boys im no longer mad because of a useless argument

[nimble pebble]

Why are you so mad over my personal gold points situation

[orchid rune]

im not

[nimble pebble]

Excellent

[orchid rune]

because of the le epic glitch

[nimble pebble]

[sweet lotus]

you people need Silksong

by the time it releases, all current gold points will have expired for sure

[coarse leaf]

Add "Sanctum Scholars".

[orchid rune]

do we nevermind we prob do

[nimble pebble]

Actually I’m vibin with other games so I can wait

[orchid rune]

such as?

[sweet lotus]

good thing, cause you can keep accumulating non-expiring gold points

[pallid flare]

ever heard of omori

[nimble pebble]

Gungeon, BTD6, MH, sprinkled with occasional play of other Capcom, indie and Nintendo titles and perhaps some other PC titles that I sometimes play

[orchid rune]

play octopath traveller 🔫

[nimble pebble]

Hop on to HK sometimes if I feel like either trying for the last few challenges on my main file or perhaps a new run for fun

[olive bobcat]

Did I hear Omori?

[sweet lotus]

great rpg, nice aesthetics, awesome OST; bad, bad writing

[nimble pebble]

I don’t like the genre

[nimble pebble]

I’ve heard of Omori

[sweet lotus]

I'm playing Halo

[tribal merlin]

there's no SHAW option

[orchid rune]

@nimble pebble PLAY IT NOWWWWWWW its amazing

[nimble pebble]

Looks decent, watched someone play, not top of the list to get rn

[nimble pebble]

What is

[orchid rune]

octopath traveller

[nimble pebble]

[willow loom]

Question, what is taking Silksong so much time to release if the trailer been out for awhile?

[nimble pebble]

Not my type of game

[nimble pebble]

Development

[analog forge]

the trailer was a reveal trailer, not a "heres the game" trailer

[sweet lotus]

https://my.nintendo.com/about_gold_point

[nimble pebble]

[orchid rune]

jojo i see have you tried yba?

[tribal merlin]

also it's not "so much time" for a trio to dev a huge game

[nimble pebble]

You forget my le epic glitch

[olive bobcat]

Like YBA is something good to get into

[orchid rune]

the community is

...

[olive bobcat]

[orchid rune]

also demon fall is really good i didnt get tokito clan tho

[sweet lotus]

bug, you mean; 'glitch' is a momentary mistake

[olive bobcat]

The game itself is... alright
when there aren't bugs or combos involving eye gouge

[orchid rune]

eye gouge?

[nimble pebble]

I have the sudden urge to see Hornet and Pharloomians do the YMCA dance while singing it

[olive bobcat]

The blinding move boxing has

[nimble pebble]

Permanent momentary mistake moment

[orchid rune]

oh

[sweet lotus]

you should post it to r/nintendoswitch for everyone to see then

[orchid rune]

yeah boxing is stupid op i used hamon on ger and now im trying tw au with vamp its quite ineteresting

but have you played demonfall

[olive bobcat]

I have boxing health+defense TA4

[nimble pebble]

[orchid rune]

tusk is so op compared to when he came out

[nimble pebble]

I don’t use that subreddit and haven’t used Reddit in a long time, isn’t really my thing

[olive bobcat]

If you know how to block well then he's fine (as long as you either get out of or avoid his combo)

[nimble pebble]

Tusk act 4 be like

Sides idk what you plan for me to send just hold a camera on record on my gold points for 365 days?

[pallid flare]

yes

[orchid rune]

what

[nimble pebble]

[orchid rune]

i meant i would send the expiration sorta online tickets

[nimble pebble]

not you

[orchid rune]

if you go to your nintendo acount you can go check the times you gained points when they are going to decipate

[nimble pebble]

Not really

‘Twas a discernible way to differentiate

Next time I’ll reply so it’s more clear

Sorry for any confusion

Are there any op stands in part 8? I’m behind

[barren roost]

statement of the day

[nimble pebble]

The real reason Silksong isn’t doing it yet is because everytime someone says tools they have to add another one

[olive bobcat]

I still like this fake

[nimble pebble]

[serene chasm]

Its a good fake

[analog forge]

horned being

[reef scarab]

are you 2021 gang or 2022 gang

[analog forge]

because she has the qualities of having horns.
otherwise known as horny

[stiff garnet]

I didn’t realise anyone was 2021 gang anymore

[nimble pebble]

I’m whenever it’s out gang

[reef scarab]

why is that

[stiff garnet]

I feel like I’ve seen nothing but pessimistic takes here. That and personally I don’t think it’ll happen.

[tribal merlin]

it's not pessimistic to see a writing on the wall in 3m tall flashing neon letters that says "not this year, mate"

[reef scarab]

I’ve said this at least five times but my timeframe guess is fourth quarter 2021 to third quarter 2022

[tribal merlin]

q4 is bad for indie games because of minimal free marketing opportunities

[analog forge]

the year is only like half way through, theres no writing on the wall at all

[tawdry palm]

... my god its almost similar to the way TC write stuff, before long, in just a few more years, the fakes from the other discord will be forgery worthy!

[analog forge]

also, hollow knight doesnt need "free" marketing opportunities, and they dont care about marketing regardless

[olive bobcat]

I've had time to imitate

[tribal merlin]

so not showing up at e3 and spending time on HK means it's gonna release this year, got it

[tribal merlin]

you don't know what they care about

[reef scarab]

^ we can’t say for sure this year or next year when we literally haven’t heard anything of their progress in six months

[tawdry palm]

why did you have to bring her up, she was out of my mind for the first time in a week

[nimble pebble]

Little do you know that Aluo is a secretly a script writer for TC

[analog forge]

the first hollowknight released a hairs bredth away from fucking breath of the wild.
they are ones to release when its done, not when it gets the most sales

[tawdry palm]

Im throwing all of you in redspace

[reef scarab]

They released the original game at the worst possible time lmao, wasn’t it right there with botw?

[olive bobcat]

One sec, imma figure out which fake I think has the closest writing

[tawdry palm]

I hope you like hands tearing off your fingers smh

[reef scarab]

I liked your troll Silksong screenshots from a couple months ago

[tribal merlin]

so releasing their first game out of financial pressure means they're not allowed to change their mind in the future allthough they turned full professional game devs

[nimble pebble]

When you border a consoles release and still do well

[pallid flare]

I agree with cheesoid

[tribal merlin]

again: we don't know their present mindset regarding marketing

[pallid flare]

I think that they care a lot more about silksong if you know what I mean

Hollow knight was really unknown, it didn't really matter when they released that

especially when most of the player base played it a long time after release

[olive bobcat]

I like how I wrote this guy

[pallid flare]

why is steady body in there

[olive bobcat]

He sells junk

[analog forge]

It doesnt matter when they release silksong either, for the exact opposite reason.
The fanbase is rabid and fever pitch, word of mouth alone will carry it

[reef scarab]

It’s to be assumed Nintendo has another direct planned this year, and I’d say it’s like a 40/60 chance of being shown in a direct so there is still opportunities

[tawdry palm]

I like how it has like, a noise filter over it

[olive bobcat]

I didn't have a high-res version of the background so I had to work with it

[pallid flare]

that screenshot has like 5 pixels

[analog forge]

e3 isnt the end all be all when it comes to game anouncements, and its stupid to assume it is.
that if it didnt come out in e3, then it wont come out this year, despite the year being only halfway through

[nimble pebble]

We’re actually closer to the end of the year than the beginning right now

We’re in month 7 nearly 8

[reef scarab]

Only by slightly over a month and a half

[tribal merlin]

nobody said that though

[analog forge]

You literally did.

[nimble pebble]

By the law of numbers it is so

[tribal merlin]

only if you ditch half my argument

[reef scarab]

If it’s released this year? Probably in a direct. Otherwise? Maybe at tga.

[nimble pebble]

🪄🗓️

[analog forge]

We're still in the start of q3, even if you think q4 is some sort of magical no indie zone

[tribal merlin]

I said it's a "less free marketing" zone...

[analog forge]

As if silksong isnt big enough to carry itself.

[reef scarab]

bro crowsworn is estimated to come out q4 smh

[tribal merlin]

stop strawmanning me if you really want a honest discussion

[analog forge]

As if silksong cant get into the marketing that is there.

[orchid rune]

I don't think it will come out this year

[olive bobcat]

Omori coming back to the stage in December:

[analog forge]

Like tga, or a direct, or even a blogpost

[orchid rune]

Now can we talk about how good the citadel and the clock tower look

[nimble pebble]

Q4 is only bad for starter indies since it has to compete with AAA games with loads of coverage and large followings who will eat up all the garbage they put out

[reef scarab]

Wasn’t it november when the release date was announced lol

[nimble pebble]

This sounds great

[olive bobcat]

Idk but it came out on Christmas

[reef scarab]

The best and worse Christmas present possible

[olive bobcat]

Right at the end of November was the trailer

[orchid rune]

Someone send images so we can analyze

[olive bobcat]

It's been 7 months and it still hurts

[orchid rune]

I now remembered how cool splatoon 3 looked like

[analog forge]

I personally dont think its coming out this year, but i think its silly to suggest that its particularly unlikely for it to come out this year.

[olive bobcat]

Here have random quest names I thought of

Also the canon ones

[reef scarab]

be ijones27
agree with my opinions

[nimble pebble]

There is only two answers either Tc is gunning for a finish line which is why they aren’t saying anything or the more likely answer which we’ve been told they don’t have anything important to say other than they are still working on the game and even if they did have something to say at this point it could be a legit spoiler and personally I don’t want that since so far TC has done a good job tiptoeing around them

[nimble pebble]

Based

[olive bobcat]

Alright now to write for as many of these as I want

[nimble pebble]

Do it

[tawdry valley]

Can’t wait to accidentally take a detour route in the Silksong midgame equivalent to village-deepnest-basin-KE and then check out the questboard only to find I finished like 12 quests on accident.

[nimble pebble]

Same bro

[reef scarab]

Can’t wait to do literally everything before the final boss and find out one of the endings is now inaccessible

[nimble pebble]

I feel that

[tawdry valley]

Can’t wait to die to Moss mother twice and lose all interest in the game because of all the RNG bullshit

[nimble radish]

just play the whole game again idk

[nimble pebble]

Spiritually

[outer frost]

so instead of a shade hornet leaves a silk spool-like thing right?

[haughty brook]

Yes

[analog forge]

a cocoon, yes

presumably inside the cocoon is hornets corpse :)

[nimble pebble]

Probably

Though cocoon is non canon so we could just call it a large bundle of silk

[outer frost]

my theory is that you'll be able to pogo off these cocoons for the silksong equivalent of shade skipping

[nimble pebble]

Perhaps, but it won’t move like a shade

[nimble radish]

the fact that the shade can move is essential to shade skips, and some require it to swing it's nail

[outer frost]

i just cant wait to see what skips tc put in for speedrunning

[tawdry valley]

It seems to stay exactly where you die though. So that might work as a substitute for not being maneuverable.

The issue there is that we would also need to have something to kill us and move to that location to kill us

[nimble pebble]

Do you think Hornet’s Glide is an unlockable ability or there from default

[nimble radish]

I don't think game devs usually put in the skips intentionally

[tawdry valley]

Probably unlocked. Or at least unlocked early.

[nimble pebble]

They also didn’t patch out skips if they weren’t glitches

[tawdry valley]

TC did a few pogo skips on purpose, though we won’t know what they did for hornet, if anything, till it’s out

[nimble radish]

is the cocoon destroyed in one hit, not that it matters since it doesn't follow you

[nimble pebble]

They quite like the Speedrun community

[nimble pebble]

Probably scales to needle damage

Like how the shade does

Seems like a decent mechanic to use again

[nimble radish]

it's also affected by TK's health

[outer frost]

unlockable

i doubt they'd make an extra movement ability there from default

[serene chasm]

Wonder if we can upgrade her cloak

[nimble radish]

obligatory it's an item in her inventory bla bla bla

[olive bobcat]

I did a fake of that-

[nimble radish]

I think that they put it in to indicate that it's actually clothing and not part of her like most bugs' clothes

[serene chasm]

unequip cloak

[olive bobcat]

fake

[nimble radish]

whoa it has pocket

[reef scarab]

I remember seeing all of your fake screenshots lol, they’re sick

[outer frost]

dont

[nimble pebble]

Nice Pure Needle bro

[reef scarab]

Please alumorg bring back felix gyro

[olive bobcat]

Thanks dude

[nimble radish]

but what does hornet without cloak look like, is her body like herrahs but thinner?

[inland ember]

Celeste devs usually don’t patch out some glitches that have big impacts on speed runners as well

[serene chasm]

should redo it with the new menu ui

[nimble pebble]

She's got more qualities of PK than Herrah tbh at least externally

[nimble radish]

her horns are her mother's

[olive bobcat]

Maybe one day if I'm bored

[nimble pebble]

Also when hornet glides all she's got under there is nothing

[nimble radish]

why not her uh thorax

[nimble pebble]

I said more not none

[nimble pebble]

Doesn't have one

[reef scarab]

stop talking about naked spiderworms smh

[outer frost]

she skinny

[inland ember]

Inappropriate

[nimble radish]

ah there she is

[nimble pebble]

He asked what bug qualities she got under her cloak she got none

[reef scarab]

She got that pale king metabolism

[nimble pebble]

^

[serene chasm]

She skinny cause Salubra ate all the food

[outer frost]

and the only reason she's tall is because of herrah

[inland ember]

She’s skinny because she’s void

[outer frost]

[serene chasm]

you said a naughty word

[outer frost]

we arent starting this now

[inland ember]

It was a joke, put the gun down

[nimble pebble]

Why say a joke if it isn't funny

[reef scarab]

She’s made of screen transitions smh

[nimble radish]

It wasn't a funny joke, put the joker down

[outer frost]

on it

i need a syringe tho

[nimble pebble]

[serene chasm]

Ok guys. Lets not do anything drastic (aka get really off topic for no reason)

[nimble radish]

what's a topic

[outer frost]

[inland ember]

I find it funny, but my sense of humor is as bad as the stuff in the bottom drawers of my fridge

[reef scarab]

right we must get back to talking about naked hornet

[outer frost]

your face is a topic

[nimble radish]

great let's talk about my face

[serene chasm]

Or cloak upgrades

[nimble pebble]

Can't see it, covered with helmet

[nimble radish]

this is the way, my dude

[nimble pebble]

Cloak upgrades just sounds like Hornet sewing on more pockets

[inland ember]

We technically have a cloak upgrade in hk

[nimble pebble]

We just stole a mothwing cloak then bathed it in void

[outer frost]

#stopfakepockets

[nimble radish]

you upgrade TK's biological cloak by sticking mothwing cloak to it

[inland ember]

Or you just like rip the bio one off

[reef scarab]

skin upgrade

[outer frost]

[nimble radish]

upgrade your skin, take it off and get a better one

[inland ember]

And then replace it for your skin but a different color

[nimble pebble]

Who needs skin when you can have skin that makes you faster

[outer frost]

nono its dip your skin in void

[inland ember]

I thought your skin was already void?

[outer frost]

not the cloak skin

your new skin

[inland ember]

Wait what are the shade cloak, ddark, etc. upgrades in SS since hornet is(n’t?) void

[outer frost]

i think the weavers upgrade them

[tough panther]

I wonder what they talk about in this cha- wait what

[outer frost]

plus weavers can cast magic via silk

[inland ember]

To what, Gucci?

[outer frost]

yknow what? yes

lets go with that

[inland ember]

Where’s the hornet drip gif when I need it

[nimble radish]

do you think we'll get something like ddark/shade cloak at all

[nimble pebble]

I don't think so

[inland ember]

I think so

[nimble pebble]

But perhaps an equivalent

We do need an invasion mechanic imo though with hornet's movement being more acrobatic perhaps we don't

[outer frost]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hornet-schizophrenia-gif-19733445

[inland ember]

In SS hornet becomes void so tc doesn’t have to think of some wacky alternative

[outer frost]

i dont think there'll be direct upgrades to abilities but more like new more powerful ones

also i found a cool gif

https://tenor.com/view/powered-up-hornet-gif-19668324

epic gif

[inland ember]

What if silk can be used to weave stuff like ddark

[nimble pebble]

Perhaps

[outer frost]

downstrike that sends silk into the air

[nimble pebble]

Silk Descend

[inland ember]

Weave yourself a rocket and fucking explode your opponents

[outer frost]

[nimble pebble]

Pimpillo on a string

[outer frost]

throw the pimpillo even further

[nimble pebble]

YEEEEEEET

[inland ember]

I can realistically see hornet throwing her needle like in the hk fight

[nimble pebble]

Why wouldn't she

[inland ember]

SS equivalent of vengeful

[nimble pebble]

There's the GS stab move

[inland ember]

The what

[outer frost]

i like the idea of the mid-air stab thing she does in the trailer

[inland ember]

I’m lost at the double jump

[nimble radish]

Hornet will almost certainly be capable of everything she does in Hk

[inland ember]

Oh yeah for sure, though some things are likely charms

[nimble pebble]

The silk move that looks like a giant solid extra distance great slash

[nimble radish]

Hornet doesn't need charms she's too badass

[outer frost]

i like that they swapped out charms for real-er mechanical items

[nimble pebble]

Silly person Charms are for kids

Hornet is a grown ass woman who uses complicated contraptions she made herself

[inland ember]

Okay but like wtf would the dash and double jump be called

[haughty brook]

More like stealing the designs and modifying them for her convenience, like a pirate.

[analog forge]

Personally, i dont think there will be a traditional double jump

[inland ember]

Why?

[nimble radish]

she's too badass to need a double jump

[analog forge]

I think hornets gonna have way more interesting methods of ascent

[inland ember]

Like the weird ass Spider-Man needle?

[analog forge]

Among other things.

I also dont think a double jump quite fits the combat loop

[inland ember]

True

[outer frost]

dash, and there wouldnt be a double jump since magic doesnt have a heavy influence on silksong

[nimble pebble]

"Borrowing"

[analog forge]

Hornet borrows movies and downloads them to her computer

[nimble pebble]

Hornet has more overall manoeuvrability so I don't think she'll be getting a double jump

[analog forge]

ya har

[haughty brook]

I think there will not be a traditional double jump because they want Hornet's movement to be distinctive from the Knight's.

[nimble pebble]

The only people who get mad at sea thieves are corporate capitalist companies who overcharge for a terrible product

[outer frost]

and a double jump wouldnt make sense for hornets taller, weightier movement

[nimble pebble]

Support your mom and pop shops and small businesses though

[outer frost]

[inland ember]

Besides of course curses, seals of binding, magic silk, seal opening lumafly looking things, y’know, your usual non magic things

[brittle garnet]

Less focus on magic doesn't mean no magic, obviously.

[outer frost]

silk isnt magic in hollow knights universe

[inland ember]

Hornet’s appears to be

[outer frost]

remember magic in hk is different from what we consider magic

[haughty brook]

And most magic in fiction is different from what we consider magic in real life, what are you talking about anyway?

[outer frost]

talking about whether or not silk is magic in silksong

[candid spoke]

it is

[haughty brook]

Midwife explicity says that the Weavers used silk to make spells.

[inland ember]

Also the curse is most definitely some kind of magic

Wonder how it works

[candid spoke]

I think soul might still have at least some effect in the game though, if that is what you were talking about

[outer frost]

im pretty sure said that there wasnt gonna be a heavy focus on magic in ss

[haughty brook]

Although don't expect some giant Tolkien like detailed explanation about the intrinsicaties of magic.

[candid spoke]

I'll go look for a source on that, brb

[nimble pebble]

The only known creatures to use soul infused silk in the HK universe is Weavers and Hornet

[inland ember]

Does the curse corrupt minds like the radiance?

[haughty brook]

We don't know how the curse or the "haunting" exactly works so wait until the release game because the amount of information is almost zero.

[candid spoke]

update: I didn't find an easy source, so i have given up on that endeavor

Though, looking at the design so far most of hornet's abilities are mechanical-based things, so you might have part of a point there. The way she uses Silk however definitely implies some kind of magical properties. (Edit: said 'however' twice)

[tawdry palm]

me when i realize SS isint coming for atleast a year

[grizzled quartz]

when i realize women are real and that my friends have been lying to me:

[nimble radish]

women are definitely real theres one outside your window right now

[grizzled quartz]

wait wtf

as you type this my grandmother walks in the room

[nimble radish]

she came in through the window?

[grizzled quartz]

well no

but she was near a window

[tawdry valley]

Well then say hello and get off the computer you mongrel

[grizzled quartz]

what

i did

[reef scarab]

I honestly put third quarter 2022 as the latest it will release

[limpid basalt]

*3022

[tawdry valley]

That’s what this chat said for 2020 too.

[reef scarab]

Silksong is further along in development than it was last year

[tawdry valley]

Then they swapped to holiday, then to E3, and then we started over for 2020

[grizzled quartz]

watch it be like 30 years later: "thats what this chat said for 2050 too."

[nimble radish]

and every year it's been in development longer so is more likely to come out

[grim forge]

TC will be dead by then

[grizzled quartz]

and/or the more things they add therefore the longer it takes

[nimble radish]

I really hope they don't keep adding things for the sake of increasing the size

[limpid basalt]

I kinda just want Lace to annoy Hornet for the entirety of Silksong purely for comedic reasons

[grizzled quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-21041353

[reef scarab]

They said a long time ago that they aren’t randomly adding things and have an end goal in sight

[limpid basalt]

gato

[grizzled quartz]

G A T O

[nimble radish]

yeah I know

[grizzled quartz]

then again it depends on how many things they have planned

[limpid basalt]

why did gato come to my brain before cat? English is my first language and I haven't had a Spanish class in over a year

[reef scarab]

I do see 2021 as still possible but not all too likely

[grizzled quartz]

i think you meant to say "i do see 2021 as the slightest bit possible but really its more likely in 2025"

[reef scarab]

I personally feel first quarter 2022 as the most likely time

[grizzled quartz]

you mean spring 2022

the first quarter of a year is called spring

[grim forge]

I'm thinking Q4 2022 or Q1 2023

[grizzled quartz]

i mean obviously it comes out in 2020

[nimble radish]

spring

[grizzled quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/854893319338328097/867668280965332992/freeze.gif

[reef scarab]

yeah okay that’s a biiiit too pessimistic lol

[grim forge]

Not really

[limpid basalt]

HK's Kickstarter (announcement) was in 2014 and it didn't come out until 2017 so I think we got some time until Silky Songy is out

[grizzled quartz]

imagine being pissamistic smh my head to be tbh honest

no cap

[dreamy zenith]

2022 summer - 2023 spring

Thats my guess.

[grizzled quartz]

you mean second quarter 2022?

[dreamy zenith]

no i just don't care.

[limpid basalt]

im guessing tba for the forseeable future

[reef scarab]

A good part of the first quarter is winter

[grizzled quartz]

anyway i sure do love the playmobils movie dont you

[limpid basalt]

depends on when you choose to start the year

[reef scarab]

Fourth quarter 2021 - third quarter 2022

[grizzled quartz]

im the kind of person to play a game like among us then cry because of how sad the lore is

[limpid basalt]

same but with Lego Harry Potter

[grizzled quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-troll-troll-face-apocalypse-gif-20830139

[nimble radish]

not enough trolling

[grizzled quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/736153071218065508/865911250133975070/image0.gif

[nimble radish]

also maybe don't post random memes

[grizzled quartz]

watch me post every single already posted meme

[cunning geode]

don’t

[grizzled quartz]

damn it

bucket is indeed typing

[reef scarab]

What they had ready for the edge magazine surely doesn’t indicate two more full years of development, does it?

[grizzled quartz]

i didnt think of that

[grim forge]

Edge Magazine is heavily curated. They can just show what's ready and not talk about what isn't.

[reef scarab]

But why do you think so far???

[grim forge]

If they're taking their time, then I don't think 4-5 years is super out there for speculation.

[reef scarab]

They want it to be as big as hollow knight if not very slightly larger, and with their added experience and higher budget + plus already having some reusable code I’d say it wouldn’t be just that huge of a time difference compared to the original

[serene chasm]

Havent they already confirmed that its bigger then HK?

[nimble pebble]

They confirmed the enemy count is higher

[vivid belfry]

They also confirmed areas have to be more spacious because of her faster movement

[cunning geode]

Yeah basically

[reef scarab]

but still, near 2023?

[cunning geode]

idk

[nimble pebble]

It's hard to say because making the game is half the process the rest is bug testing polishing and checking with the platforms they plan to launch on before it releases an it can just as much time as adding content

[cunning geode]

a counterpoint to “TC has more money, is more experienced, so the game might take less time to make” is to flip that and say “TC now has enough money and experience to work on a bigger game over a longer period”

just something to consider

[vivid belfry]

Yeah it's really a crapshoot

[serene chasm]

Money also doesnt make development go faster

[vivid belfry]

HK had some catastrophic setbacks but it was also released in an unfinished state

[nimble pebble]

No but it makes sure people are being paid and can actually buy food

Ari can finally have his Croissants

[reef scarab]

Maybe they’re just busy perfecting the romance options

[cunning geode]

you have no idea

[analog forge]

actually, money very much does make devolpment go faster.
as it turns out, if you can work on something full time, it gets done faster

[livid creek]

If I can't play Sillksong within Silksong within that Silksong. I won't buy

[analog forge]

what a revolutionary concept

[nimble pebble]

HK's development was always full time they were just very frugal

[tawdry valley]

Need to play a TF2 half life mod with a in game laptop that lets you run a TF2 map that’s just doom.

[nimble pebble]

Like Ari cutting back on the Croissants

[tawdry valley]

..No?

sure, the existing developers won’t make more content per given hour if you feed them bank notes, but access to better tools (digital or not), more resources to commit, less crunch time, and probably just plain peace of mind will definitely accelerate the development time for a complete/finished product

[nimble radish]

tools you say

[cunning geode]

yeah I was thinking on how to type that out earlier but yes you got it down perfectly

[tawdry valley]

also yeah, being able to work full time on backburner money is huge. That’s essentially the formula for most YouTube channel startups.

[cunning geode]

money affects a ton of stuff

[tawdry valley]

Right, not the actual devs, but the environment they work in

[tawdry valley]

I will shoot you, and then myself

[serene chasm]

I get what you are saying

[vivid belfry]

The HK kickstarter made barely any money

The fact that they have such a huge budget now is definitely better for development

[nimble radish]

promise?

[serene chasm]

It will for sure let them work on the game without worry.

[tawdry valley]

I swear on the pipe bomb in your mailbox

[nimble radish]

I had a mailbox without knowing 😳

[tawdry valley]

That, and with a literal orchestra for music composition.

[vivid belfry]

Orchestra soloists*

[reef scarab]

weren’t they nearly finished with the music side of things in late 2019?

[tawdry valley]

Probably

[serene chasm]

To date, Silksong’s complete score is sitting at about 30 (stunning) tracks, with several still to come. That’s already a step above Hollow Knight’s 26 tracks, and is a combination of Pharloom’s many varied locations, more unique boss themes and Chris’s own desire to one-up his achievements with the first game.

Nothing about it being done. Though Chris did work on a few other games since then, so it may be possible his work on SS was finished or near finished

[reef scarab]

that’s why I said nearly

[analog forge]

unique theme for every boss lets goooo

[inland ember]

Nah Chris is making another 30 songs for each individual enemy in the first section

[serene chasm]

sorry. didnt catch that part

[reef scarab]

And considering them calling the three enemies in the 2019 update a late game trio, I’d imagine they’re probably finished with enemies by this point

[analog forge]

byeah, its not like risk of rain, theres not really a limit to the amount of tracks you can add.
I mean there is, but its so many that you could prolly work till the game releases

[serene chasm]

Late game back then. Now theyre and early game trio

[analog forge]

that'd be a sign of severe content creep

[serene chasm]

I cant wait to see someone superimpose SS map onto HK map

[inland ember]

New track for every 3 steps?

Would make the game hella dynamic

[reef scarab]

I mean zote did get like three themes

[inland ember]

Just that powerful

[nimble pebble]

*backs up to hear the other track again

[inland ember]

People who make videos of entire osts hoping their software doesn’t crash 3 months into rendering:

[nimble pebble]

Hornet map sprite when

[analog forge]

entirely new soundtrack for silksoul mode

[serene chasm]

Its the original soundtrack remixed by Mick Gordon

[nimble pebble]

Silksoul mode is just the only thing they fear is you on loop

[tawdry valley]

I unironically listened to Doom eternal music while grinding the HoG, so I can endorse a Mick Gordon cameo in SS

[dusty nimbus]

Doom bug

[outer frost]

what are your guys' predictions for what else silksoul will do because it seems like it might be a bit more than just perma death

[manic zenith]

maybe attuned -> ascended type of difficulty, with much more stuff like new boss patterns or changed arenas

[tawdry valley]

Could literally be anything, but tying soul/silk use to Hp would be cool

[manic zenith]

tho I dont care if its not

[tawdry valley]

as in you heal masks through hitting things but also spend masks while using silk abilities.

That worked in specter of torment (shovel knight) because of a timer though.

[manic zenith]

eh

didnt really liked this shit in specter

[tawdry valley]

I don’t think SS or HK benifit from that type of mechanic

[tawdry valley]

It was cool because it was an actual fun way to put time pressure on levels, but it made most relics literally unusable because they would take like 60% of your hp

[manic zenith]

time pressure also didnt really make me enjoy it

[tawdry valley]

Right? Either make em cost hp or make hp drain over time and refil while killing.

Both at once restricts skill based play not involved with level mastery.

[outer frost]

i think there should be a new npc in the bone bottom town specific to silksoul

[tawdry valley]

Ok

[manic zenith]

I wont be against some other changes to the world in silksoul mode
besides what I said above, what abot harder platforming area or a little bit different rooms

[tawdry valley]

I don’t know how I feel about permadeath in HK, cause it was a sorta lazy way to make bosses you beat artificially harder

If they make bosses harder (I hope they do) I wouldn’t personally approve of permadeath right off the bat

I’ve known of games that let you make new saves however, that let you toggle options at the start of the run.

i.e you start a new save after the first one; and can choose between: timed challenges, harder bosses, permadeath, etc. or put them all on at once.

[manic zenith]

so bindings, but for save file

[grim forge]

Sounds reasonable imo

[tawdry valley]

Basically

[manic zenith]

Yeah I think I like this idea

would be pretty good silksoul mode

[serene chasm]

Yeah. I always liked the idea of bindings for the base game. Though we will have to see what TC decide to do with SS mode

[reef scarab]

one health permadeath

[reef scarab]

harder bosses = more learning, and if you have permadeath then you don’t have much learning opportunity

[tawdry valley]

Yeah exactly the issue.

The absence of permadeath isn’t something I’d be too upset about, because they could just make that kind of achievement it’s own optional challenge as opposed to being the game’s quintessential hardmode

so like; just an achievement that says “beat the game without dying once”

And “100% the game without dying once”

effectively the same thing as steel soul, but you don’t lose the save you want to continue practicing with/playing on

[reef scarab]

Maybe the bosses can be kind of like what ascended difficulty was to hollow knight in godmaster

[trim estuary]

100% the game in 5 hours without dying once

I hope there’s more save files in Ss

[tawdry valley]

4 felt like enough up until they added godseeker mode, but there’s also always mods for PC players, so.

[nimble pebble]

I like to call an ascended equivalent Haunted

Because it has a double meaning

I think Silk soul will be some sort of challenge rather than Perma death

Like maybe you start off with less masks

[still owl]

I wonder if we will get an extra challenge mode other than silk

[reef scarab]

Probably not

[still owl]

Yeah I wouldn't count on it, too much to ask for even from TC

I can't imagine the balancing that must be done for the other game mode already

[nimble pebble]

Silkvengence mode

[surreal mortar]

If silk soul is unique enough from the base game and the changes don’t completely revolve around it being permadeath it would be cool if we could access the mode without the permadeath part attached.

[nimble pebble]

Silkpeaceful mode

[vivid belfry]

I don't think a permadeath mode has to be in the game at all

[still owl]

Yeah, because you can easily avoid dying in game :What:

[surreal mortar]

It’s gonna be in it though

Cause it’s so easy to implement it and TC also implied that silk soul was permadeath

[vivid belfry]

I don't think it's an interesting challenge and imo they only put it in the first game to flex about how there aren't any bullshit deaths

[still owl]

Mmmm did they?

[surreal mortar]

Well they compared it to steel soul and they have similar names so 🤷‍♂️

[still owl]

not a good enough argument for me imo

[surreal mortar]

I think Tc will probably implement it regardless anyway

I just can’t see them not doing it

But that’s just me

[nimble pebble]

They implied it would be something more not that it was permadeath

[reef scarab]

Only if they don’t make other aspects harder, because in that case you can’t learn from dying

[vivid belfry]

Something more substantial I believe was the turn of phrase

[nimble pebble]

Yes Grover thank you

[still owl]

I wonder if it will have something to do with currency

[surreal mortar]

They said I think “steel soul was largely permadeath with a few extra things thrown in there, in silk soul mode we want to take just another step beyond that” from my memory

[nimble pebble]

What if Silksoul is just you have half a silk gauge

[still owl]

I might be a bit upset, but I blame my expectations

[surreal mortar]

Wouldn’t that be easier

Cause your silk would fill faster

[still owl]

heal less

one mask.

[surreal mortar]

Whatever it ends up being I’m excited for it nonetheless

[nimble pebble]

I have checked and they have said "take that and take it a step further and mix it up a little bit and give you something potentially can last a little longer"

Considering the earlier point that leads to this this seems to be more about a challenge mode like Steel soul was to HK

So I have a feeling it'll be more creative than just Permadeath

[shy stirrup]

I think something like specter of torments ng+ would be cool

Like how specter of torment combines the health and mana

[nimble pebble]

So you'd use up your health to do silk attacks?

Sounds rough

[shy stirrup]

Well whatever tc thinks works

I just meant something unique like that

[nimble pebble]

That sounds terrible

[still owl]

didn't even realize SOT had a newgame plus mode that did that
whoops

[serene chasm]

what we talking aboot?

[shy stirrup]

Silk soul

[shy stirrup]

Pillow hush

I used to have good ideas like 2 years ago im out of them now okay

[nimble pebble]

The real reason Silksong isn't out yet is because every time someone says tools they have to add another one

[serene chasm]

Its all tools

[nimble pebble]

Always has been

[serene chasm]

On the topic of tools. I kinda hope that the game rewards using different tools and crests.

[tawdry valley]

Alternatively, TC doesn’t make things like sporeshroom and allow the player to unironically equip it.

[shy stirrup]

I hope all the tools are actually usefuk

In hk you stuck to one set after you found it for like 90% of the bosses

[nimble pebble]

Can't wait to accidentally go the non traditional route and clear 12 quests without knowing then get like 7 tools

[shy stirrup]

Man im excited and worried about the quests

[tawdry valley]

I’d hope that the new system would be created with balanced and unique equipables rather than a mass of highly situational ones plus 2-3 ones you’re never upset to have

[shy stirrup]

I hope they dont make them repetitive and boring

[nimble pebble]

I'd agree

Tools look fun

[serene chasm]

And useful in different situations. Which may be the case. I cant see the sawblade tool being useful for flying bosses/enemies

[shy stirrup]

Like why the fuck does stalwart shell exist

[nimble pebble]

and also look to actually mean something rather than how abyssal the non meta charms were

[tawdry valley]

Situational viability isn’t a bad thing, but situational viability to a point of exclusive use is.

TLDR: make as much of what can be equipped a sidegrade

[shy stirrup]

I still hope there are a couple of random ass tools tho

Also i think itll be fine since they arent adding tools like 2 months before hand

[nimble pebble]

Can't wait for someone to mod a tool so that it looks like Hornet is slapping someone with a fish

[nimble pebble]

yeah

[shy stirrup]

I still don't get how that happened

Cuz charms were in a trailer from like 2015

You can see sly selling onesl

So maybe they changed the entire mechanic

[serene chasm]

Charms existed for a long time during HK development. They talk about them pretty early in the devblogs

[nimble pebble]

They're existence as what they are in the finished product was only added two months prior to release however

[shy stirrup]

Ah ok

[nimble pebble]

Imagine you scrap a mechanic then reintroduce it shortly before launch and also rework it entirely

[shy stirrup]

No clue how they actually made it pretty good

[serene chasm]

where was it said?

[shy stirrup]

By all accounts the entire gane should be like ass

[nimble pebble]

Should be, but they made it work

[shy stirrup]

Honestly lifeblood update changed the game from an 8 to a 9 or 10

[nimble pebble]

Yes

And all the content updates proceeded to make it better and better

[serene chasm]

SS will be too good

[nimble pebble]

Well to quote our good pal Graig

"Hollow Knight was made on a shoestring budget you have no idea how much better Silksong is"

[serene chasm]

That quote hypes me more than anything

[shy stirrup]

God i think about this game everyday

[cunning geode]

thats unhealthy

[shy stirrup]

I know

[serene chasm]

I can stop anytime I want. I just to want to

[shy stirrup]

But like in the back of my mind

[nimble pebble]

I'm just watching stuff while playing Videos game

So I'm vibin

[cunning geode]

yeah everyone has their things to do

"waiting for silksong" dont need to be your thing you do

[serene chasm]

Its one of the many things I do

[cunning geode]

[serene chasm]

A friendly band of travellers trekking the dangerous roads of Pharloom in search of
something precious. Masters of the journey, their caravan boasts a bounty of flavourful
food, powerful drinks and some surprising amenities. They wish to gather the playful
young fleas scattered across the kingdom, but this land is far more dangerous than they
thought.

What do we think about the idea of consumables in SS?

[glossy gazelle]

[shy stirrup]

Whatever tc does im fine with it

[serene chasm]

same. I do think it sounds like cool concept

[nimble pebble]

Caravaan more like cool dudes

[tawdry valley]

I wonder how it’s gonna work with flea collection

I’d assume you unlock different purchases or maybe just different free refills as you collect more fleas

[nimble pebble]

Bring the fleas, get the rewards

[tawdry valley]

Yeah, but is the reward access to a new item, new part of the shop, etc. I’m assuming the whole thing is mostly a consumable store.

[serene chasm]

After you collect all the fleas, they will give you a super powerful drink, and all the fleas will be mysteriosuly gone

[nimble pebble]

Perhaps

Flea Smoothie

[serene chasm]

Soylent Flea

[nimble pebble]

I wonder how consumables would work

[tawdry valley]

You use them and then you can’t anymore until you get more of them to use.

[serene chasm]

Drink or eat for a temp boost in a certain stat

[onyx timber]

so today i had a dream where there was silksong news

[serene chasm]

Perhaps dreams aren't such great things after all...

[tawdry valley]

Estus flea

[nimble pebble]

That's how consumables typically work yes

[tawdry valley]

Ik. But do you mean how they stack, how they’re used in combat? Elaborate

It’s possible you can only carry one type of consumable at a time, or would at least need to swap between them only at benches.

[nimble pebble]

I mean how they'll make them work in a metroidvania

Especially HK

The game isn't wired for that kind of mechanic

[tawdry valley]

The answer remains the same. How would metroidvania mechanics change how consumables are consumed and replenished?

Case in point: any dark souls game

[nimble pebble]

Dark souls isn't a metroidvania

[tawdry valley]

Ehhh

You’d be surprised given the layout of the map.

[nimble pebble]

"eat this thing and now you're buffed for 20 minutes" doesn't really seem like a HK kind of thing

[nimble pebble]

It's an ARPG

[tawdry valley]

Oh you mean what effects would be used.

[reef scarab]

This quote brings me immense excitement

[nimble pebble]

yes

[reef scarab]

Hollow Knight I already consider to be the best metroidvania ever made, but the sequel will be even better??? Hell yeah!

[tawdry valley]

we’ve seen lifeblood, I can picture a variety of effects that could be added in a similar fashion, but I dont know which ones would be added

[nimble pebble]

Then I think those are fine

[tawdry valley]

Plus, consumables aren’t all literally consumable. We likely get throwable or deployable items.

[reef scarab]

OH!

Maybe that’s what one of the tool sections will be!

We know there’s three, maybe one of them will be related to stuff like that

[nimble pebble]

It's just when someone brings up consumables specifically food like the caravaan riddle brings up then I become concerned because that sounds dumb for a TC style game since food consumables from my expirience is jus that whole you et some sort of buff for a limited period of time

I feel besides active tools we'll have silk and passive imo

[reef scarab]

Silk based things are probably abilities

Unless they affect how silk is used kinda like soul based charms in hk

[nimble pebble]

Likely, but that doesn't rule out silk based tools

[tawdry valley]

I don’t mind consumables that give lifeblood or silk refills. Especially if they’re literally consumable limited use items

[nimble pebble]

Yeah in that sense I think they're fine

[tawdry valley]

I would imagine some time based ones could definitely be weird though, albeit it’s not an impossible or incompatible idea for a buff

[nimble pebble]

I just don't think it fits with how the game is wired imo

[tawdry valley]

I mean it’s not like you’d end up being forced to use em anyways

[nimble pebble]

I wouldn't have a problem with them if they existed it'll just feel weird and out of place

[tawdry valley]

Well the game isn’t out yet, and the fact the buffs take time to get deployed probably means they would either be short term anyways or at least fit in with the gameplay loop

[nimble pebble]

I would hope so

Can't wait for Pantheon of Pharloom runs no buffs run

[reef scarab]

I feel like purchasable consumables would help with the problem of having too much currency by the end of the game

[nimble pebble]

Just make glorified tools to invest into

[olive bobcat]

Silksong ending #6: Hornet gets killed by the curse for looking back in the room you shouldn't, leading into the second Hollow Knight comic, "Dead Bug's Questions"

[gilded adder]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-understood-that-reference-look-back-gif-14556485

Also, everyone.

[olive bobcat]

"My name is Hornet. I can't remember when or how I died. But one thing I can say is I feel certain I will not go to Godhome."

[nimble pebble]

Hi Jonny

[gilded adder]

I saw that

[nimble pebble]

Care to partake in some SS discussion Jonny

[gilded adder]

Sure

[serene chasm]

someone say ss discussion?

[nimble pebble]

So my friend buddy pal Jonny, how do you feel about the Caravaan's consumables

[peak dagger]

Have we heard anything from TC in the past few months

[serene chasm]

nope

[reef scarab]

Which is odd because it should’ve been update month

[nimble pebble]

There's APWOT but that isn't SS news just TC news

[peak dagger]

Source?

[nimble pebble]

Well an interview on the production of HK

[serene chasm]

https://youtu.be/pFAknD_9U7c?t=77
I love the scream this bug does when they get run over. I hope it becomes the Wilhelm scream of SS

[reef scarab]

They did the interview itself in January iirc

[nimble pebble]

*screams

[nimble pebble]

They did Edge magazine in December

[reef scarab]

Wait

[peak dagger]

O

[serene chasm]

iirc the interview was done in November of last year.

[peak dagger]

And Leth stopped posting riddles 3 months ago right?

[nimble pebble]

Leth stopped posting riddles a year ago

[reef scarab]

he stopped a year ago what

[peak dagger]

Oh boy it's been so long

I remember it like it was yesterday

[serene chasm]

Maybe everything Leth has posted is a riddle and we havent solved it yet

[reef scarab]

Didn’t team cherry say that they like working on the areas and everything in them in order of which you play them or something along the lines?

[peak dagger]

Actually I don't. That's why I got the date wrong

[nimble pebble]

Not at all, nothing like that

[serene chasm]

Yeah. They like to build things naturally

[peak dagger]

They must be working on Zote as a playable character or something to take this long 😛

[nimble pebble]

Pretty sure they never specified that, but if you're sure

[peak dagger]

Honestly though, it makes sense that it would take longer than HK because they don't face the time pressure associated with startup with limited funds

[nimble pebble]

Zote's entire playable character thing was a gag, Wilbo's concept of it wasn't that thought out since he wasn't planning on actually doing it

[peak dagger]

That comment was a gag. Sarcasm, mate 😛

[serene chasm]

...Gibson and Pellen have always let themselves be naturally guided by the worlds they build, almost discovering them as they go: as we have discussed in Edge before, their preferred method of development is a kind of controlled scope creep, with new areas and concepts unfurling out of others to create a place that feels as if it’s grown organically.

[nimble pebble]

Interesting fact Sarcasm can't be detected through text

[reef scarab]

bro it’s called /s

[peak dagger]

They are there in their office creating a masterpiece. Meanwhile, I am sitting at home like Julian from Madagascar thinking, "How long is this going to take?!"

[nimble pebble]

I didn't see no /s

[nimble pebble]

Average development time

[peak dagger]

How long has it been? I have lost the sense of time

[nimble pebble]

#sk-discussion message

[peak dagger]

I remember playing the game in college. Now I have switched jobs once already.

[serene chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[nimble pebble]

If we count when SS production started about 4 years closer to 4 and a half, if we count when full on production started 3 years closer to 3 and a half

[peak dagger]

Oh, not too long then, actually.

Some indie game I know, a small number of them at least, took up to 6 years.

[nimble pebble]

That being March 2017 and Around July 2018 respectively

[peak dagger]

But 6/2 = 3 because there are two devs.

I'm just gonna go back to my waiting room and roast some marshmellows

[nimble pebble]

SS is a big game being made by 3 people, I feel they're making amazing time for the size of their team

Jonny never responded back

[reef scarab]

this comment excites me so much

Like??? Better than hollow knight??? By a lot??? Is that even possible???

[serene chasm]

HK had issues but it made up for them with charm

[stiff burrow]

I skipped back to that comment and this guy is currently so correct with that statement

[nimble pebble]

I wonder if the Ping is enabled on that reply

[peak dagger]

The only consolation is they have made one 2.5D game already so they have experience on their side which should speed up development

[nimble pebble]

One would think

[stiff burrow]

If you mean mine then the answer is ||nno||

[peak dagger]

One = me

[serene chasm]

SS seems much more complicated then HK

[nimble pebble]

Ari is busy drawing 8 billion bells and Wilbo is adding a tool for every time someone has said tool here

[peak dagger]

I see you used three letters in that spoiler. Noice!

[serene chasm]

She’s carrying a boomerang-type tool, which can be thrown regularly but will also change trajectory. when hit in certain ways. There are many ‘sub-reactions’ programmed into different weapons “to keep them interesting and give you that extra bit of mastery,” Gibson says

[nimble pebble]

I wouldn't say SS is more complicated but that HK was basic so SS seems more complicated in comparison

[stiff burrow]

Ayy it was actually intentional too haha

[reef scarab]

Didn’t they reuse a bit of code as well

[peak dagger]

They had better have. The games look similar so the code running on the engine should be very similar

[stiff burrow]

They used the same code but rewrote it from scratch anyways

[nimble pebble]

They used some HK code as a basis but SS still has an abundance of its own code

[peak dagger]

Stuff to be coded would be enemy graphics, enemy patterns, hornet tools and the bunch of new stuff they are adding

[nimble pebble]

So basically everything

[peak dagger]

Nah, platformers have a fair bit of stuff common. The constants may change

[nimble pebble]

HK is a Metroidvania

[peak dagger]

But stuff like how to move a character, how to jump, how much gravity etc

[nimble pebble]

Which of course has some Platforming elements but it's not a platformer

[haughty brook]

Also enviromental details and new effects, don't forget about that.

[stiff burrow]

I could also see stuff like lighting being reused at least to an extend

[nimble pebble]

HK arguably has less Challenging platforming than a fair few of Metroidvanias

[tawdry valley]

Depends. On average or in general?

[nimble pebble]

On average

[reef scarab]

It nailed (heh) combat though

[nimble pebble]

WP and PoP are the only decent ones, the rest is eh

[tawdry valley]

Yeah, HK isn’t really platform based, but every area has an optional platforming intensive room, and every room has some minute platforming elements.

[nimble pebble]

Also just because some of HK's code is used that doesn't mean the game will magically get done faster they're not just copy pasting

[nimble pebble]

That's a fair assessment

[serene chasm]

HK platforming is easier more fair then most games cause spikes dont instakill you. Seriously its one of the best gameplay decision TC could have made

[tawdry valley]

As whole, HK isn’t a hard game to play without platforming much, but it’s refined platforming elements/platforming focused areas and rooms are definitely difficult.

[nimble pebble]

in exchange you can have 256 spike pits

[nimble pebble]

For first time play I would most certainly call them difficult yes, but it just feels too niche

[reef scarab]

Hollow Knight is super friendly for beginners/casuals whilst also having good challenges for advanced players

[nimble pebble]

I heard SS is going to add more challenging Platforming segments which I quite like, and challenging doesn't always mean difficult could just be fun

[nimble pebble]

No truer words have ever been said

[reef scarab]

Other than the godmaster ending you’re not missing out on anything if you’re only playing casually

[honest oracle]

Tbh I just hope the areas are concentrated and interconnected like hk while also giving you enough of an incentive to explore. HK did a good job for the most part but the map design had hiccups here and there

[nimble pebble]

That's kind of made for the advanced players anyways

But even then some casual players enjoy it and have even beaten it and have great pride in doing so

I myself am a casual player but I very much enjoy godmaster and have completed all of its challenges asides from P4AB P5AB abd R5

I might do P4AB but fuck the other two I don't have the mental patience for that

[honest oracle]

I almost thought you said you completed p5ab

[nimble pebble]

Perhaps someday

[honest oracle]

I was like

casual player
Alright chief

[nimble pebble]

Oi

Just because this pandemic has given me a lot of time on my hands doesn't mean I'm not casual

[honest oracle]

I can relate

[nimble pebble]

I suppose I have improved at the game in that time

[reef scarab]

I did the hall of gods on radiant difficulty :D

[honest oracle]

Still I personally have issues in the way the godmaster dlc added the challenges for advanced players so I hope TC doesn't do the same thing in SA in regards to endgame content for bosses

[reef scarab]

I do hope we have a way to refight bosses tho

[nimble pebble]

I've done that a few times and it feels great, but fuck Radkoth and Rad asbrad

Although sometimes when you're bored Rad Absrad can be fun for a bit Radkoth is just a prick

[reef scarab]

Mate you aren’t a casual player at this point lol

But yeah I did not expect radiant markoth to be harder than radiant absrad

[honest oracle]

Same

Grimm dlc was amazing hope we get more bosses like that in silksong

[reef scarab]

I love the patterns of sisters of battle and nightmare king grimm

[nimble pebble]

Ari said don't expect another Godhome, though this was talking about boss rushes and not a HoG equivalent

[honest oracle]

I am worried about the tool system rendering some bosses obsolete though

[reef scarab]

It’s more of a dance than a fight for both of them

[nimble pebble]

SS bosses will probably have smarter AI than HK ones and some bosses might be resistant to some tools to throw you off your game so it's too early to say

[reef scarab]

I at least hope it’s a menu option!

[nimble pebble]

It is

Oh wait, you aren't talking about tools

[nimble pebble]

Well, He said no Godhome but not no Boss rush

[reef scarab]

Without dreamnail it’s hard to make an actual canon boss refight I guess? So a random menu boss refight option would be nice.

[nimble pebble]

They could just add a boss rush that isn't in the Godhome style

[nimble pebble]

We've thought up a few theories as to how

[reef scarab]

not a rush really, just the option to not replay the entire game for one boss

[honest oracle]

Fans: add God of home in silksong
TC:76 boss rush with 5 endgame boss rush

The monkeys paw curls

[nimble pebble]

I am Casual player always and forever

Since the only thing above that is competitive and I'm anything but that

In case you were wondering I mean Competitive player, everyone is a little competitive sometimes

I play smash with friends for fun, I don't like getting too into it like some do

[peak dagger]

I started out as a casual player. Then I found Hollow Knight Godmaster DLC. Then I became a gamer. All thanks to my gaming chair

[nimble pebble]

I guess I should say Casual gamer

[peak dagger]

Yikes! Best I could do was just finish the DLC. Radiant all bosses is overkill

[honest oracle]

Born to game forced to walk

[nimble pebble]

Nah I go for walks

[peak dagger]

Wanted that 53rd achievement

I knew that of all the games in my library, HK deserved 100% achievements

[honest oracle]

I unironically have my highest gaming achievements in hk I have never put this much effort into literally any game lmao

[nimble pebble]

Exercise is healthy

[honest oracle]

Screw you godmaster

Gaming is exercising

Exercising for carpel tunnel

[peak dagger]

I exercise now. Definitely not when I used to play Hollow Knight tho

[nimble pebble]

Me neither but that's because of the pandemic so I exercise inside now

[reef scarab]

It’s not too bad and is actually really fun, memorizing all of the boss attack patterns and playing each one perfectly

[peak dagger]

I respect your endurance

[reef scarab]

It only got annoying during oblobbles and markoth

otherwise it was really fun

[nimble pebble]

^

[nimble pebble]

If want endurance do P5AB

[reef scarab]

P3 all binding is hard solely because of the collector

God I can’t wait to fight bosses as hornet

[peak dagger]

I think I did just enough bindings to get the lifeblood stuff

[honest oracle]

And zote

[nimble pebble]

Individual bindings isn't too bad

[reef scarab]

same I did everything individual bindings except for P5

[nimble pebble]

Ab on some pantheons however is a nightmare

[reef scarab]

I want the final mask journal entry

[nimble pebble]

Namely any with zote and collector

[reef scarab]

Enemies are hard when you don’t one shot them

[nimble pebble]

Ab Collector and zote

[nimble pebble]

Cyclone slash does wonders for AB collector

Still an asshole though

I've done individual bindings P5 so I have the weathered mask

[reef scarab]

Dude you’re not a casual player

[nimble pebble]

I am very casual

[reef scarab]

anyway uhhh Silksong

[nimble pebble]

I was looking at search results of something so I only read half of it but I think I got the jist

[reef scarab]

bosses seem very fun to fight as hornet

[nimble pebble]

[sweet anvil]

man im so glad silksong is finally out

[nimble pebble]

ikr?

[sweet anvil]

im loving it so far how about you guys

[nimble pebble]

Champions road is my favourite part

[reef scarab]

[nimble pebble]

idk about you but Sharpe 2 is one of the best fights imo

[reef scarab]

I like how deep dock proletarian joined and quit hollow knight YouTube in the period before the game came out

[nimble pebble]

DDP was a cool dude

Still is

[barren roost]

I was going to say that

[nimble pebble]

We'll see him again someday for now he'll just keep being him

[reef scarab]

yeah I sent him a mean comment in his November 19 prediction video :D

[barren roost]

he spoke this morning

[nimble pebble]

[reef scarab]

_ _

[nimble pebble]

Ok

[gilded adder]

Sorry for the late response, but I think they will be a great addition to the gameplay and flow of Silksong. I think they will be a fresh addition since HK didn't really have anything like that. It will add even more customization to builds to see which consumables work with what tools and crests, assuming they work like regular buffs in rpgs. It will give something else to spend money on which HK was lacking in and most likely make it easier for new players to play through the game with the added help if they can afford it.

[nimble pebble]

You're back Jonny

[gilded adder]

Yea, I fell asleep by accident

[nimble pebble]

[gilded adder]

But now I have to go to sleep for real

[nimble pebble]

Rip

I was going to ask if you wanted to hear my tool idea

[gilded adder]

I got time

[nimble pebble]

So like a tool you stab yourself and inject yourself with buff juice and you get stronger for a bit but it eats some of your health for it

[gilded adder]

So like one or two health masks for the buff?

[idle swallow]

Hornet doesnt do steroids

[barren roost]

good night jonny

[nimble pebble]

I was thinking 3

But yes

[gilded adder]

3 might be too much, especially at the start of the game, unless you're thinking it's a mid-late game tool

But yeah, that sounds really cool

[nimble pebble]

I wound say mid-late game tool

And also 2 seems too safe for hornet who has 3 mask heal

Need to have a proper balance

[gilded adder]

Oh, right. I forgot about that. Yea, that makes sense, my bad.

Hornet having a 3 mask heal balances that.

[nimble pebble]

How much would it buff though

+35% needle damage?

[edgy sleet]

did we get NEWS?

[fleet temple]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[rigid isle]

[edgy sleet]

[ruby garden]

[edgy sleet]

[viscid igloo]

[nimble pebble]

[coarse leaf]

The joke of the day:
"Silksong is just another hollow knight copy. Dudes even stole a character from there"

[fleet temple]

Reminder: Silknever lol

[wary marlin]

Silksong

[pliant torrent]

[edgy sleet]

[errant zodiac]

Any new updates on silksong?

[pallid flare]

?sspsa

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[surreal mortar]

Any new updates on silksong?

[umbral gazelle]

[pallid flare]

?sspsa lol

[thin zephyr]

Reminder: The latest news for both Hollow Knight and Silksong is in #hk-announcements.
Check the pinned messages for more information, including a FAQ.

[umbral gazelle]

pyro im sure its a joke

[surreal mortar]

I knew it pyro is a bot

How could we have missed this

[umbral gazelle]

sorry pyro but I'm going to have to destroy you

this sentence is false

[pallid flare]

i'll go with yes

[umbral gazelle]

augh how could they survive that

[rapid topaz]

why do you have so many "o" in your name

[formal karma]

it has to do with people asking about enws for e3

everyone who asked, despite the fact that we were told 'no news' they added an 'o' iirc

[pallid flare]

yes

i actually still add them but i will not say why or when

[formal karma]

ha....

[surreal mortar]

I hope you can keep tools equipped to a crest when you swap out so you could have different builds already made and just swap them out with one button.

[hardy oasis]

That seems unlikely but I imagine that if someone makes a qol mod itd probably include that

Doesn't seem like it's too much trouble anyway but idrk how the crest system works

[brisk shale]

You think we will get any news in august

[pallid flare]

maybe

[brisk shale]

It’s the month im most hopeful for

Because we haven’t had any news yet

[reef scarab]

The month I’m most hopeful for for news if it releases in 2021 is October

However I think TGA if it releases in 2022 is also possible

[brisk shale]

In the mean time it’d be best to forget about the game so time passes faster, at least for me

[wild gyro]

^^

[stark prism]

i will now try to predict silksongs release date by feeding all the lore tablet dialogue from the wiki to an ai

[formal karma]

but i already know when the release date is

[stark prism]

alright then i will also feed it the teamcherry.au website html code

[formal karma]

i mean I could just tell you- it'll release on the day when its ready

[stark prism]

i do not trust ducks
or geese or swans
or any waterfowl

[pallid flare]

i dont trust ducks either

[formal karma]

awww sucks

[coarse leaf]

Broke the one-hour silence of dead chat. You’re welcome. Bye.

[viral pivot]

XD

At exactly 1 hour too

[signal crag]

Lol, nice

[spice bear]

when game

[pallid flare]

sillkvemer

[spice bear]

[stark prism]

ok

the ai didn't generate the silksong release date
instead i got insane ramblings about some random bakery

[silver oak]

hweeeeeee

[pallid flare]

zoot

[silver oak]

That’s the Necrowhistle

What’s on the menu today

In terms of discussion

Silksong or otherwise

I guess nothing

So I’ll just have to MAKE SOME

Ummmnmm

Crap I’m not good at this

website_mini_0001_mini2-1.jpg

[pallid flare]

use the silksong topic picker

[silver oak]

Wait that didnt work

Is there a way to get screenshots on your phone

Oh wait

IT WORKED

[pallid flare]

coral boi

[silver oak]

Anyway, I feel like this is one of the least discussed bosses

[pallid flare]

his scar is missing

[silver oak]

I think it’s a visual glitch

It appears when he lands

Maybe it has to do with being able to read his movements but I don’t see how a scar would affect that

[jade canopy]

Or maybe there are 2 different version of this fight one with and one whitout

[pallid flare]

nah

his scar goes missing mid-flight

[jade canopy]

Or the sprite need rework

[silver oak]

If there’s anyone we’ve seen who I’d the subject of the “soaring warlord’s tower” it’s this guy

[inland ember]

I used a random number gen and apparently silksong is coming out February 6th

[trim estuary]

Makes sense, February is the only month Ss can release

[coarse leaf]

I always say that the crab man is the Soaring Warlord, but nobody believes me

[trim estuary]

I don’t believe you

He’s under the sea not soaring

[serene chasm]

I believe you fool. I think the same thing

[vagrant umbra]

PAX 2021’s date and Silksong’s release date are TBA.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!