sk-discussion

[clear fulcrum]

She’s already fully grown? She’s literally mistaken for being a child and says that she is much older than they will every know

[glossy nebula]

No

She wasnt mistaken

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah but she references the entire kingdom being consumed by void

[glossy nebula]

No. She says she dealth with void

[clear fulcrum]

yes she was 😭 why do you disagree with basic facts

[clear fulcrum]

exactly??

[glossy nebula]

The kingdom was never consumed by the void

[clear fulcrum]

??????????

[glossy nebula]

What. That happens in hollow knight

[teal ridge]

hi

[glossy nebula]

She goes to he abyss with the knight

[charred tiger]

she came to the abyss in hk btw

[glossy nebula]

Play the game goddamn it

[teal ridge]

goodbye

[clear fulcrum]

yeah.. right before dream no more/godhome

[glossy nebula]

Hello hecu soldier

[glossy nebula]

No,

[clear fulcrum]

those are literally the only canon endings what are you arguing bro 😭

[glossy nebula]

No

[clear fulcrum]

YES??

[glossy nebula]

First of all she goes there after hornet sentinal fight

No near dream no more

[clear fulcrum]

which is the very end of the game..

[glossy nebula]

No

[clear fulcrum]

you need almost every movement ability to make it that fight

[glossy nebula]

You still have 2 kings charms to get

[clear fulcrum]

its how you get to the white palace

[charred tiger]

thz only canon ending is sealed siblings duhh

[glossy nebula]

You dont.

You unlock most after it

Play the game

[clear fulcrum]

BRO??

you’re just saying stuff that is wrong 😭

[glossy nebula]

You unlock shade cloak in abyss

[clear fulcrum]

you need ismas tear, which means you need super dash. You also need double jump.

[glossy nebula]

Play the game, nothing you said happened in hk nor siljsong

[clear fulcrum]

that’s all of the movement abilities bro 😭

[exotic dome]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExazdxcHdmdm8wZTluODRqajhibHVqNThuN3Jra2N0amJqMXR2dnp5cyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/PXC50l0obsGJEZAJqx/giphy.gif

[glossy nebula]

Not needed. You can go through stags

[atomic sparrow]

yum!

[glossy nebula]

Deliciois

Look, nowhere it is mentioned that ss happens long after hk

It is only after hk

Nothing confims the timeframe

And if it was long after hk, hallownest would have been rebuilt

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-10440089285315366905

[glossy nebula]

Skibidi

[clear fulcrum]

by who? the entire kingdom is consumed by void..

[glossy nebula]

It isnt

[atomic sparrow]

is it

[glossy nebula]

When did it get consumed by void

[clear fulcrum]

there’s not even a way to rebuild hallownest, a majority of bugs needed the pale king

[glossy nebula]

In no ending does it get consumed

[glossy nebula]

A new leader is formed

Most empires go like this

[exotic cedar]

i will be the new leader.

[glossy nebula]

Take roman empire

[clear fulcrum]

this isn’t real life 😭

[glossy nebula]

What do you mean

[clear fulcrum]

hallownest is gone, even if some other nation rebuilds there

[glossy nebula]

Civilizarion is civilization

[glossy nebula]

Man

[clear fulcrum]

every kingdom we’ve seen in Hollow Knight is centered around a pale being

[glossy nebula]

Did we both play same hk

As in hk the person that meats the herald is the knight

The man that fullfils his wish is the knight

[stable salmon]

hollowknight 3 will be about a maggot kingdom

the entire map is deepnest

[clear fulcrum]

and it’ll be peak because maggots are the best HK area gimmick

[slate wagon]

we’ve seen a grand total of two tbf

[stable salmon]

I shouldn't even think about this stuff because I'm eating rn and hate maggots

[glossy nebula]

During then the only reason the herald was in hallow nest was because of the radiance

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah but wyrms and pale beings in general are talked about in that context

[glossy nebula]

Gohome isnt

[ornate perch]

Guys I finally did High Halls on my steel soul

[glossy nebula]

Godhome isnt

[glossy nebula]

Ggs

[clear fulcrum]

what are you even saying 😭

[glossy nebula]

That is hard

[glossy nebula]

Godhome is a civilization

[clear fulcrum]

did you cheese the final wave in arena?

[clear fulcrum]

and it’s centered around finding a god to follow…

[ornate perch]

Nope

[glossy nebula]

Final wave is the easiest

[clear fulcrum]

wtf good job

[odd hull]

Congratss

[glossy nebula]

No, that is after they lost their gods

[clear fulcrum]

you are not a real person

[ornate perch]

I did use garmond tho

[glossy nebula]

You didnt play the same game as me

[ornate perch]

Tysm

[glossy nebula]

The hardest wae imo is the one with 2 people with cogflies

[clear fulcrum]

EXACTLY?? they were centered around a pale being, lost them, and immediately searched for another

[glossy nebula]

Gods arent palebeings

[slate wagon]

nothing suggests the gods of thunder and rain were pale

[sharp slate]

i do think final wave being 2 enemies compared to the middle part being 1 enemy proves it is not the easiest wave 😎

[atomic sparrow]

yo

[slate wagon]

not all Hbs are pale

[glossy nebula]

Oh no trauma

[sharp slate]

cogflies were so damned annoying

[glossy nebula]

I fucking hate these especially in my rando

[clear fulcrum]

pale has been purely discussed in a higher being context, even if you wanna argue that they weren’t pale, they were still gods.

[glossy nebula]

One time thsy summoned 2 trobbios

[glossy nebula]

Play hk silksong

[slate wagon]

it hasn’t, the weavers and hornet and lace are all described as pale even the pale stag and shit

and i’m aware they are still gods, youre the one saying they were pale beings
which is wrong

[glossy nebula]

Pale beings arent necessary gods

[glossy nebula]

Senris, is there a confirmation that silksong takes place ling after hk

And not just a bit after hk

[sharp slate]

when have weavers been discussed as pale? not challenging just asking i dont recall that

[slate wagon]

long enough for bees to have gone extinct and lifeblood to turn into the abominations we see in pharloom

[glossy nebula]

They arent pale. They are divine

[glossy nebula]

Bees are only hallownest tho

I think only long enough for hornet to forget her mother's mask

And that could have happened due to the cage

[clear fulcrum]

no? the whole reason they betrayed gms is because they weren’t divine

[sharp slate]

actually found it for gms being pale

[glossy nebula]

They where made devine by gms

[sharp slate]

didnt realize gms was a pale being hm

[glossy nebula]

They didnt betray gms for that.

[fathom schooner]

Apparently garmond dosent... automatically die upon entering act 3

[glossy nebula]

The first sinner betrayed the weaver for that

Big diffference

[woeful skiff]

sorry wrong thing

[clear fulcrum]

I just checked and the only things considered pale beings are GMS the king and the white lady.. any pale being IS a god, even if pale adjacent things aren’t

[fathom schooner]

Wasnt the first sinner called that because she revealed the truth of the weavers creation

[clear fulcrum]

no they weren’t 😭

[atomic sparrow]

you can get 100% of the game without that quest to encounter lost garmond ever happening too

[clear fulcrum]

you have to see him 3 times

[glossy nebula]

They where. They didnt fight gms for that. The realization happened long after

[fathom schooner]

Well garmonds drop is a memento and none of those are required

[sharp slate]

i dont think we have enough context to guarentee that pale beings are guarenteed to be gods, but you are right that all pale beings we have seen are higher beings

[fathom schooner]

My first playthrough i never saw him ONCE in act 3

[glossy nebula]

I saw him fighting alot

[fathom schooner]

I stopped at blasted steps to buy something from grindle and zaza was there

[clear fulcrum]

Well pale pretty much means just soul adjacent.. which seems to be very powerful

[glossy nebula]

I got a quest to find him so I searched

[fathom schooner]

Like i never saw him my first playthrough except as lost, so i legit just went to the steps to spend money and he was ded

[clear fulcrum]

The first sinner started the whole revolution.. her dialogue literally says “she told us we were divine. she lied”

[fathom schooner]

I just went through greymoor and he was fighting

[glossy nebula]

No

[clear fulcrum]

YES??

[glossy nebula]

First sinner revolted over the weavers not gms

[fathom schooner]

The first sinner is a sinner because she revealed the truth of weaver creation, that they are not divine, that GMS lied to the weavers and made them from common bugs

[glossy nebula]

Weavers thought they where divine but they where just common bugs ascended by gms into divinity.

[fathom schooner]

She did not revolt against the weavers, she revolted against the citadel

[glossy nebula]

So the weavers

[fathom schooner]

No

[glossy nebula]

Citadel was build after gms went to sleep by the weavers

[fathom schooner]

The weavers split, some wanted to leave, some stayed

[clear fulcrum]

they ALL revolted against GMS after she CONDEMNED the first sinner for calling her a liar

[glossy nebula]

So the weavers

[sharp slate]

this is the attempting to bind dialogue imo shows she opposes gms

[clear fulcrum]

the ones who stayed only stayed to lull GMS into sleep

[glossy nebula]

No first sinner is decades after gms

[fathom schooner]

Well some at least stayed loyal, or im misunderstanding widow

[clear fulcrum]

NO?? HOW DO YOU BELIEVE THIS BUT THINK HALLOWNEST IS RIGHT BEFORE SILKSONG

[glossy nebula]

First sinner revolted against citadel not gms

[fathom schooner]

Widow is a weaver, just made useless but i dont know who put the pins in her

[clear fulcrum]

her mask was broken tho.. which suggests some level of dominance forced onto her by gms

[glossy nebula]

Weavers

[fathom schooner]

Her mask broken and her silk made useless

[clear fulcrum]

literally are you blind?! her dialogue only refers to gms

[glossy nebula]

No it is to the fucking citadel, she is imprisoned in the slab wich ws fucking build after THE FUCKING CITADRL

[fathom schooner]

Yeah no the weavers wanted to fuck off and leave, multiple of the relics are literally just "RUN GUYS RUN THE THING THAT MADE US IS CRAZY"

[glossy nebula]

I cant with you anymore

[fathom schooner]

Multiple of the weaver left needolin dialogs are literally just "look at what we had, now run and look for something new"

[glossy nebula]

Yes

They are all crap

[fathom schooner]

The first sinner is literally the reason the weavers left

It revealed TO the others that GMS is not a benevolent god, and that the others are not divine, that is not rebellion against the weavers

[sharp slate]

where is the diaglogue that says when slab was built? is it one of the relics

[glossy nebula]

Gms made an evil thing they put her in sleep, they created the citadle and didnt want to manage it so they gave the mamagement to conductors. Which made the citadle even more crap

[glossy nebula]

It has citadle logo everywhere even on first siner

[clear fulcrum]

the citadel was before they betrsyed GMS

[fathom schooner]

The citadel is falling apart partially from age, and heavily from the haunting

[clear fulcrum]

it’s original purpose wasn’t to lull her to sleep

[glossy nebula]

No the citadle was build to keep gms asleep

[fathom schooner]

And yeah GMS itself ordered the construction of the citadel

[clear fulcrum]

the modern citadel was

the original citadel was much simpler

[fathom schooner]

Pale beings have a tendency to draw bugs into their thrall

[clear fulcrum]

the weavers don’t care for riches and aesthetics

[glossy nebula]

The cotadle with pharloom logo was build after gms went to sleep. It literally has gms cacoon as the logo

[clear fulcrum]

dude

[slim burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-guardians-of-the-galaxy2-peter-quill-star-lord-star-lord-what-gif-24549462

[sharp slate]

Citadel has existed for a while no? though overtime its appearance has likely change, symbol thing is interesting though

[fathom schooner]

Also am i misunderstanding or is it GMS itself thats trying to kidnap escaped weavers, that wasnt very well elaborated on

[clear fulcrum]

are you even sentient?? we need to get a wyrm here 😭

[fathom schooner]

Like it seems to me that GMS wants more silk and is trying to kidnap escaped weavers

[clear fulcrum]

yes to escape

[broken seal]

gang...

[glossy nebula]

No play the fucking game

[fathom schooner]

Also GMS was definitely in control of the citadel at some point, seeing as ventrica travel was banned because "for pharloom eternal, a bug who serves must never die"

[glossy nebula]

What logo is this

[atomic sparrow]

what type of logo is this 🗣️

[ocean mulch]

What did I know

[fathom schooner]

Thats also in other areas as well, GMS likely had that cocoon even before being forced asleep

And even ASLEEP she has direct will

[broken seal]

[fathom schooner]

Seeing as shes "asleep" until shes challenged directly

[glossy nebula]

Why would she spend her silk on a cacoon

[slim burrow]

You knew smt

[fathom schooner]

Its not spent so much as just being inside of it, shes got alot of silk

[opaque sigil]

This isn’t GMS being in control it’s a conductor edict because they wanted the citadel to be eternal

[broken seal]

First Sinner rebels against GMS

[glossy nebula]

You know what I can give you the lore in #sk-lore channel not here

[clear fulcrum]

yeah they wanted her to sleep forever

[glossy nebula]

How?

[atomic sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-hello-wave-greetings-welcome-gif-14261308065134487098

[broken seal]

[clear fulcrum]

she revolts against the fake divinity that she preached to the weavers…

[sharp slate]

maybe cacoon is her equivilant to her bedroom lmao

[glossy nebula]

How was her prison marked with pharloom logo

[fathom schooner]

Hmm, revealing a lie meant to keep lesser beings in your thrall, i wonder how thats an act of rebellion

[glossy nebula]

It isnt, she spents alot of silk on it

[glossy nebula]

She revealed it to weavers not gks

[clear fulcrum]

it’s kinda hinted at that the cocoon is a prison.. so maybe they tricked her into making it?

[fathom schooner]

Shes also a being thats basically just silk so that seems kinda irrelevant, like shes literally covered the entirety of pharloom in silk

[glossy nebula]

She didnt make it that is her sleep state

[sharp slate]

this is where it gets confusing to me, how would they trick her into making such a cacoon

[fathom schooner]

Yeah the LESSER BEINGS unknowingly in the thrall of GMS

[glossy nebula]

Hornet does that

[sharp slate]

that thing is huge

[clear fulcrum]

she loved the weavers, it’s definitely possible

[fathom schooner]

Yeah only AFTER binding all of GMS silk

[glossy nebula]

Ash please I can explain you all of this in #sk-lore

[fathom schooner]

Hornet cant do that herself, she only manages after becoming the weaver queen

[clear fulcrum]

no offense but you are the last person to explain the lore 😭

[sharp slate]

eh i dont fully understand it either, you got this xD

[glossy nebula]

You are

You have not even plaued the games

You don even know nothong about both

[sharp slate]

i do understand POV of the symbol you are talking about, though it think it might be more likely cacoon existed pre weaver trickery

maybe it had some other use

[clear fulcrum]

i’ve played the games like 12 times over

[glossy nebula]

It wasnt. It is only her weakend asleep state

[clear fulcrum]

you literally refuse to read first sinners dialogue lol

[glossy nebula]

So take attention

[glossy nebula]

Shut the fuck up and do research

I explaine my point and your still insisting eith no proof

[exotic cedar]

this channel is full of anger and hate

[broken seal]

[glossy nebula]

I cant I have been arguing for so long

[sharp slate]

people angry about lore today

[fathom schooner]

Yeah this isnt even a lore discussion anymore that dudes just pissed he keeps getting told to read lore

[clear fulcrum]

ill literally send a pic of her dialogue 😭

[exotic dome]

my guess is that plasmium tastes like monster energy drink

[broken seal]

clearly

[fathom schooner]

Like if you have a point make it you just keep saying no

[exotic cedar]

Forget about lore... ITS TIME TO KILL EACHOTHER

[sharp slate]

sk battle royale

[glossy nebula]

Man that text was her telling the weavrrs

[clear fulcrum]

your punches feel like kisses…

[glossy nebula]

That they are not divine, that gms made them from common bugs

[clear fulcrum]

it’s literally the source of her hatred

[glossy nebula]

How dont you fucking understand

[exotic dome]

kill 7 billion hk fans

[glossy nebula]

No it is not

[fathom schooner]

Yes.... telling the WEAVERS, bugs who are IN THE THRALL OF GMS

That GMS lied to them to enthrall them...

[clear fulcrum]

YOU GET TO FIRST SINNER USING THE KEY OF APOSTASY.. APOSTASY MEANS THE REJECTION OF RELIGION

[glossy nebula]

Yes

[opaque sigil]

Use the atla effigy it also establishes what your claim is

[fathom schooner]

So uh how is telling unwitting slaves they are slaves a rebellion against them

[clear fulcrum]

SHE WAS LOCKED AWAY FOR THE SIN OF APOSTASY

[odd hull]

Please

[glossy nebula]

I dont want to chat no more

[glossy nebula]

Hey shush, people will read then

[fathom schooner]

-yells that we are all wrong
-refuses to elaborate
-makes a single point that gets debunked
-leaves

[glossy nebula]

Sin of apotsy against the weavers

[broken seal]

which is the ENTIRE reason the Weavers abandon and betray GMS, because they learned she had lied about her being their Mother and them being divine beings. First Sinner revealed this truth to them, WHICH IS BETRAYING HER because it's enlightening her subjects to rebel against her. The only Weaver to continue her servitude to GMS is Widow.

[fathom schooner]

And widow seems to be either under direct control or haunted

[clear fulcrum]

none of her dialogue suggests that bro 😭

[glossy nebula]

No. They grew tired being her servants

That happened after citadel was build

[clear fulcrum]

without her mask so she might’ve been reduced the servant that gms wanted from the beginning

[glossy nebula]

How did the slab get build

[opaque sigil]

This is the established primary motive yes

[glossy nebula]

So explain to them I am tired

[fathom schooner]

Seeing as her mask (masks give bugs their will or smth similar) is broken and her silk made useless (silk contains soul, the essence of what a bug is) she might literally have no will of her own

[opaque sigil]

Nah silksong fans can’t read it’s a waste of time

[glossy nebula]

I should have done that

[fathom schooner]

Nowhere is it stated at all that they got tired of GMS, just that
-gms lied to them
-they want to leave and escape her

[glossy nebula]

Man. They didnt play neither hollow knight nor silksong. To get to hornet sentinal you need shade cloak. They dont know the pharloom logo

[glossy nebula]

How, it is the main reason they betrayed her

It is mentioned everywhere

[opaque sigil]

Some people don’t even know FS is atla

[fathom schooner]

Show me literally ONE line of dialog thats "we are tired of serving GMS" thats not "GMS betrayed us"

[glossy nebula]

Wait what is fs

[sharp slate]

"To get to hornet sentinal you need shade cloak" HUH?

[opaque sigil]

First sinner

[opaque sigil]

Cindril rune harp

[sharp slate]

thats not true im confused

[opaque sigil]

Eva dialogue

[clear fulcrum]

the most popular lore videos all mention this lol

[glossy nebula]

Pretty farfetched

[sharp slate]

you dont need shade cloak to get to hornet sent? im confused what this is supposed to mean

[glossy nebula]

But I can take it

[opaque sigil]

FS being atla is like a dead solid indicator she got locked up by weavers lol

[fathom schooner]

One sec let me go check that rune harp dialog, and eva never mentions them being tired of GMS, she was a failed weapon they tried to make to imitate GMS

[glossy nebula]

Shade cloak the thing you get from abyss

[clear fulcrum]

its a mix of both yes? They wanted their freedom but realizing that GMS would crush any of them for opposing her strengthens that

[glossy nebula]

They ssid you need it to get to hornet sentinsl

[sharp slate]

oh

[clear fulcrum]

who were the weavers listening to 😭

[broken seal]

Hornet Sentinel is needed to get the Kings Brand which unlocks the Abyss, where you unlock the Shade Cloak. Are you actually high?

[glossy nebula]

Wait it fits well

[sharp slate]

didnt catch that convo earlier

[opaque sigil]

That’s not what she is and she says weavers were working to attain their freedom

[glossy nebula]

Thats what they said

[broken seal]

ah

[glossy nebula]

Thats what this whole argument started

[fathom schooner]

I always thought it was
-fine being under GMS, their divine mother
-gms lie is revealed
-weavers now want freedom since everything theyve done so far is a lie

[sharp slate]

they are saying someone else said that, i agree it was phrased poorly, it sounded like myself was arguing that

[clear fulcrum]

she was a weapon to maybe fight gms right?

[opaque sigil]

No

[glossy nebula]

Gms lie is revealed after gms was asleep

[fathom schooner]

She literally says that

[opaque sigil]

She doesn’t

[fiery burrow]

eva says she was meant to be an attempt to circumvent the weavers being unable to breed (IE an artificial weaver child)

[fathom schooner]

Eva literally says she was the attempt to make a divine being, but her shell was too frail

The divine being to replace GMS with an actual weaver

[opaque sigil]

Which isn’t what you’re claiming and she also doesn’t say that

[terse heart]

https://klipy.com/gifs/me-when-its-over-family-guy--k01KRHZCDZK3S2GW8E17GQ6N19V

[fiery burrow]

I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.
Hornet: I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also its victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits.
Hornet: Are you too an attempt to defy that cruel constraint?
A flawed attempt. A life spun from rune and shell, sustained only by its cage. My thoughts may mimic a Weavers, but my senses are my own.
Over time, that difference brought only distance between us.

[clear fulcrum]

but whats the purpose of making her? why would they need to circumvent that

[opaque sigil]

Because they can’t breed easily and want to have kids

[fiery burrow]

Eva is described as divine but Weavers generally considered themselves to be divine which is probably why

[clear fulcrum]

and yet the moment hornet is born all of the weavers want her to fight gms? you’re not making sense

[opaque sigil]

They don’t want her to do that

[clear fulcrum]

???????

[fathom schooner]

Are weavers considered pale beings or a step below them, weavers basically live until killed (which seems to be the main thing about pale beings, they have pseudo immortality)

[opaque sigil]

Literally just doesn’t happen in the game lol

[glossy nebula]

Yes thats red memory for you

[opaque sigil]

Red memory does not in fact have that plot element

[clear fulcrum]

they can use silk very well but i wouldnt call them divine

[glossy nebula]

Hey now they cant read.

[glossy nebula]

Have you seen pre silksomg hornet

[fathom schooner]

Man i wouldn't call the pale king divine and hes a pale being

[clear fulcrum]

herrah literally tells hornet that the weavers want to force a path onto her.. and that she should choose for herself?

[vale whale]

wasnt eva an imitation of gms to beat her up

[opaque sigil]

😐 that’s not the same thing

[clear fulcrum]

she literally has the paleking inside of her

[clear fulcrum]

let me get the dialogue then

[fiery burrow]

...Ignore them, daughter... their whispers...
...Greater, grander... Weaver, guardian, queen... Those are their desires... not your own. Certainly not mine...

[vale whale]

whats happening

[fiery burrow]

Basically they wanted Hornet to be their queen

[exotic cedar]

loreslop

[opaque sigil]

And a weaver

Which ties into the more weaver than wyrm shit

[clear fulcrum]

guardian is right there 😭

they want her to protect them from gms, which is why they’re in hallownest

[opaque sigil]

You just made that up

[sharp slate]

They want her to reclaim pharloom, thats why for example first sinner left her power to her

[opaque sigil]

Wanting her to be a guardian and wanting her to kill one specific person who they thought was no longer a threat are different things

[opaque sigil]

They don’t want her to do that either

[sharp slate]

'

[opaque sigil]

The Pharloom weavers want that that’s a different group

[sharp slate]

oh okay gotcha

team cherry just make a book please

[opaque sigil]

Hallownest weavers are the faction that fled to start anew

[clear fulcrum]

are you kidding me? They have always considered GMS to be a threat, they know that she won’t stay put for forever?

[sharp slate]

Tbf i dont see GMS chasing after hallownest weavers

[glossy nebula]

Not they didnt

They had conductors for thst reason

[opaque sigil]

Well they sure didn’t see that happening

But in the end it did, maybe only because of the atla weavers tho

[clear fulcrum]

But they knew that there would be a punishment if she ever broke free? Weavers have dominance baked into their soul, even as pharlids. If you’re able to get the weavers to be all holed up in the worst part of hallownest what do you think happened?

[opaque sigil]

Hallownest weavers were so unafraid of GMS they literally went back home when shit got scary

[glossy nebula]

Deepnest is the best part of hallownest

It is the nest of the weavers

[daring basin]

wills of tungsten

[opaque sigil]

And they went back without Hornet at that she clearly wasn’t some sort of secret anti GMS weapon

[clear fulcrum]

the weaversong charm makes it seem more like them giving up

they clearly aren’t alive by the time we get to pharloom

they left their tyrant and found another one

the radiance was already taking over by the time hornet was a kid

[terse heart]

so lads and ladies how are y'all

[opaque plover]

hows everyone doin?

[manic knoll]

Im okay for now how are you

[terse heart]

I finished steel soul yesterday, and I'm going to get the 100% achievement, my last one, tomorrow since I'm Canadian and it's Victoria Day.

I hate the Forebrothers.

[clear fulcrum]

why

[manic knoll]

Thats nice man

[terse heart]

Aside from the fact they killed my steel soul, they have immense knockback, sending anyone even touching them into lava, but they get VOIDED in act 3!

[clear fulcrum]

really? I mean 90% of the time im attacking them in the inner parts of thr arena

they’re always on the outside

also the voided version is annoying but why wouldnt you just do them before

[vale whale]

theyre easiee in act 3

less summons

[kindred ivy]

Woopa doopa doop

[rocky jolt]

imagine dying to four brothers

[kindred ivy]

eeeew roblox

[vivid belfry]

mario and luigi: partners in time

[kindred ivy]

No imm sorry if you’re having fun i shouldn’t hate

[clear fulcrum]

summons are way more annoying in act 3 tho, at the end of act 2 they’re one shot basically

[rocky jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155944228111798362/1198281490874781787/caption-2.gif

[vale whale]

less summons = easier fight

[ornate perch]

Guys what should I use for Unraveled Steel Soul

[rough quiver]

hornet probably

[rocky jolt]

id rather use quirrel

[clear fulcrum]

very un nuanced opinion

[ornate perch]

Nevermind I killed it already

[crisp raft]

a weapon

[mint sigil]

Oh my god, I just completed The Great Taste of Pharloom starting from Rasher

[clear fulcrum]

good job!

[terse heart]

!wiki git gud

fuck

guys think smart, don't fart

[heady iron]

I can do both

[exotic cedar]

i will think fart and dont smart

[drifting aspen]

yo gng wsup, i finished silksong, and i want some fun mods, any suggestions ? hmu

[orchid spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1459157023005605888.gif?size=160&name=Izuna_kawaii&lossless=true

[ivory loom]

Bro wtf is Mount Fay man...

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rock-mp4-transparent-color-gif-11114772717737196968

This is how I feel

[drifting aspen]

a very hard place that if u did pop in hk u will found like a piece of cake

[orchid spruce]

[rocky jolt]

its a mountain

[drifting aspen]

aaaam, anyone ?

[ivory loom]

Ive played hk 😔

[drifting aspen]

u did pop ?

[ivory loom]

Well tbf I did play it last august

[rocky jolt]

try cross stitch madness

[ivory loom]

And I started silksong like 2 weeks ago

[drifting aspen]

concept ?

[drifting aspen]

how is ur parkouring skills

btw this chat is all spoilers

if i dont wanna get spoilers go til u finish the game

[rocky jolt]

you take +1 extra damage from everything and you have cross stitch from the beginning you can only get silk from hitting parries

[orchid spruce]

mount fay is pretty unsightreadable

[manic knoll]

This channel is spoiler free no?

[orchid spruce]

which is pretty ass

[rocky jolt]

what is something sightreadable

[drifting aspen]

yooo, if i combined it with my all rando run, it gonna be peak

[drifting aspen]

no

[drifting aspen]

mantis lords

[orchid spruce]

sightreadable is when you can read it on sight

[fiery burrow]

idk why you couldn't do that with mt fay

Cogwork Core should be puzzle platforming

[vale whale]

how do you get silk to use cross stitch

[orchid spruce]

You can't see what comes next in mount fay a lot of the times

[rocky jolt]

oh cross stitch doesnt use silk in the mod

its free

[orchid spruce]

And have to experiment with your death

[vale whale]

just mash it so easy

[odd hull]

Anysilkboss

[orchid spruce]

Only because it's relevant but MIO platforming is what I'd call sightreadable

[rocky jolt]

cross stitch cant do that methinks

[drifting aspen]

u get a random boss every boss arena ?

[glossy nebula]

Lost lace

[drifting aspen]

thats a boss :)

[glossy nebula]

I ment lost sinner

[opaque sigil]

I would not call all mio platforming sightreadable

[odd hull]

No noooo
It's a rework of Grand Mother Silk. The name is inspired by AnyRad

[opaque sigil]

some parts of you know where are sort of a lot

[orchid spruce]

Probably 95% of them are

[drifting aspen]

seems fun ill try it ty

[orchid spruce]

I did a lot of platforming sections first try on sight

[opaque sigil]

I certainly wouldn't call it more sight readable than mt fay which is really just very simple

[drifting aspen]

oh mb, tbh i didnt play hk like to witness every thing, i did just to get the lore before playing silksong

[nova kite]

Sup guys just came from hk discussion

[fiery burrow]

please add bumpers in DLC 🙏

[odd hull]

Helo

[drifting aspen]

wsup

[nova kite]

Silksong : Sorrow of the playerbase

[fiery burrow]

I meant mio DLC smhh

[whole moon]

Boring ngl

[umbral ether]

hello

[whole moon]

Rainworld better

[fiery burrow]

You think I would talk about silksong in sk-discussion?

[umbral ether]

what is

[orchid spruce]

[nova kite]

So what have we been discussing

[whole moon]

Idk

[umbral ether]

what is boring

[opaque sigil]

surface climb 😔

[whole moon]

The 4 intellectual yi

[glossy nebula]

Rainworld bettrr than ninesols

[glossy nebula]

Nine sols

[orchid spruce]

so true

[fiery burrow]

the truest of nukes

[nova kite]

Ninesols better

[umbral ether]

i disagree but that is your opinion

[orchid spruce]

nine sols is so mid

[glossy nebula]

I havent played ninesols yet

[nova kite]

Ngl mio comes after ninesols then rainworld

[orchid spruce]

4/10

[umbral ether]

then don't say rainworld is better

[glossy nebula]

But I am aboard the ninesols hate train

[umbral ether]

if you haven't played the thing you are comparing it to

[glossy nebula]

What category of games is detroid become human

[fiery burrow]

detroidvania

[nova kite]

Detroit good bro

[odd hull]

Don't worry, AnyRad is another mod (which reworks Radiance). Anysilkboss is harder than normal GMS obviously, but still fair I think. Cool parts are the new/improved moves, the modder was very creative.

[fiery burrow]

nah idk

[glossy nebula]

I finished it and it is very much a visual novel with gamplay and 3d

[nova kite]

Btw guys what did y'all think of the abyss climb

[umbral ether]

strange never seen this before

[glossy nebula]

But people ssu not visual novel cuz no 2d

[fiery burrow]

abyss climb is fun

[nova kite]

I think it paralleled the no cost too great memory

[orchid spruce]

abyss climb is good

[glossy nebula]

No cost too great

[nova kite]

Exactly

[glossy nebula]

Child born of void

[fiery burrow]

would've been a lot more fun if it was a puzzle map with limited clawlines but oh well

[drifting aspen]

oooooooh, aight bet, lets get this thing right (btw i think that gms is way easier than nkg)

[umbral ether]

i remeber it being a fun platforming section

[nova kite]

Extra seats for my chainsaws

[glossy nebula]

She is

[glossy nebula]

Hehehehe

[drifting aspen]

lmao

[nova kite]

Honestly tho both climbs were really heavy in terms of story

[umbral ether]

gms is the hk of silksong imo

[orchid spruce]

gms is easier than double moss mother

[nova kite]

FR

[glossy nebula]

Gms is as east as moss charger

[drifting aspen]

fr

[glossy nebula]

Not massive normal

[nova kite]

Btw anybody done lost lace with no tools

[glossy nebula]

When hk 3

[glossy nebula]

It shouldnt be hard

[drifting aspen]

me

[nova kite]

Tc might not make one

[umbral ether]

i beat her with no red tools as i just used 17 pale nails

[glossy nebula]

When sea of sorrow

[nova kite]

I mainly play the og hk cuz I'm trying land of storms before I get all silksong stuff

[orchid spruce]

Hollow Knight world is done

[drifting aspen]

sherman dance 🥀🙏

[nova kite]

TOMORROW

[odd hull]

Good luck, have fun!
GMS is really easy indeed

[glossy nebula]

When castlevania x hollow kniht

[nova kite]

Next year 7th june

[glossy nebula]

Thx

[drifting aspen]

ty, i agree tbh

[odd hull]

Please, no

[glossy nebula]

Why not

[nova kite]

Anyone got the fourth heart for no reason?

[glossy nebula]

Imagine dracula but he has nkg moves

[drifting aspen]

when indie cross ep3

[nova kite]

Cuz I did for the Memento

[drifting aspen]

hollyyyyy

[orchid spruce]

im pretty sure there are games that are castlevania + hollow knight on steam already

[glossy nebula]

If you dont know classic castlevania dracula is the hardest nes boss

[orchid spruce]

you just need to find and play

[odd hull]

Imagine Dracula

[drifting aspen]

ik ik

[icy crow]

@exotic cedar tips to fight The Twins? I got a full hallowed set + Onyx Blaster and Megashark + tungsten bullets

[nova kite]

When blasphemous x hollow knight

[orchid spruce]

that's just silksong

[nova kite]

Terraria?

[glossy nebula]

Build arena

[opaque sigil]

just play dead cells

[icy crow]

Yeah

[glossy nebula]

Dead cells is easy

[icy crow]

I do have an arena

[nova kite]

Fr

[orchid spruce]

dead cells got boring

[glossy nebula]

Didnt finish boss cell 3 tho

I was playing it on mobile

[opaque sigil]

but it's the only hk collab there's gonna be

[orchid spruce]

progression is teeny tiny teeny tiny every cycle

well...true

[exotic cedar]

i havent fought them in like 2 years but those gear might do it

[glossy nebula]

Your ready then

[nova kite]

Honestly I turned my phone into a handheld with like 6 indie games and steam link

[icy crow]

I probably need a wider arena since mine isn't really that big

[glossy nebula]

I liked netflix

[nova kite]

Guys genuinely what are we talking about I am a noob at terraria

[glossy nebula]

My arena carried me to final boss ||moon lord||

[nova kite]

Yup that was really good for getting free games basically

[exotic cedar]

dead cells is good but fuck the scroll scaling and curse system

[glossy nebula]

Not free games jist cheap gaming subscription

[glossy nebula]

Boss cells 3 calls you

[nova kite]

Yeah

[exotic cedar]

ive done 5bc

[nova kite]

But ninesols is overhated

[exotic cedar]

i have all achivements

[orchid spruce]

nine sols is not hated on enough

[glossy nebula]

I need to do 3bc

[trim estuary]

📠

[exotic cedar]

and ive done some fragless runs

[nova kite]

Ok wow

[icy crow]

I fought and defeated the Destroyer here three times already. Perhaps I just need to make a flat road above

[glossy nebula]

Is true final boss as fun as dracula

[exotic cedar]

its good but not the best

[nova kite]

Why tho

[manic knoll]

Are we still talking bout silksong

[trim estuary]

you can actually fight dracula in dead cells? i thought alucard just baited you every run for fun

[orchid spruce]

blasphemy

[exotic cedar]

dracula is pretty janky

[fiery burrow]

oh. that's gore. that's gore in #sk-discussion

[glossy nebula]

That would be good espefially for one hard boss you will face soon

[opaque sigil]

literally kirby level stuff

[worldly umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-submarine-location-echolocation-gif-27080631

[icy crow]

Alright, I'll make it in my next session then

[fiery burrow]

kirby is the darkest nintendo game ever and is for adults only

like the amazing digital circus

[glossy nebula]

Marchon, do you know any good old metroidvanias

I remember you playing alot of metroidvanias

[trim estuary]

STEAMWORLD DIG

[exotic cedar]

why is the circus amazing AND digital

[trim estuary]

It came out in like 2012

[orchid spruce]

it's probably ugh mid and forgettable and ugh combat is slop and too many dialogues and cutscenes and hitboxes bad and ugh

[fiery burrow]

AI is the future

[icy crow]

Have you done played Iconoclasts yet

[glossy nebula]

No

I am old

[fiery burrow]

Did you know it was inspired by i have no mouth and i must scream this is why ist so dark did you know it

[glossy nebula]

Not yet

[nova kite]

Makes sense it's really story focused and the combat just feels off sometimes but it isn't that bad

[orchid spruce]

i prefer silksong over that slop

[glossy nebula]

Zip you hit me with that fealing of getting old

[exotic cedar]

Is this what tadc is about... sigh... the world is being filled with ai slop....

[nova kite]

Yk as a teen I'm genuinely way too involved in the gaming world

[nova kite]

Ig

[glossy nebula]

Seems beutiful. Do you know something like cave story

I so much want to play something like it but cant find

[nova kite]

Oooh anybody played spiritfarer I've been wanting to play it

[odd hull]

Never heard of it, I think

[icy crow]

Uhh... there's Cave Story+ if you'd like that

Monster Boy and the Cursed Kingdom also looks promising

Ultros and Animal Well

[glossy nebula]

Done and done and done

[fiery burrow]

in times like these human made slop like Murder Drones and Gameverse become so much more important 😔

[terse heart]

nobody saw that

[odd hull]

huh

[orchid spruce]

steamworld dig is the most boring game ever, allegedly so I heard

[nova kite]

But we all can agree stardew valley on top

[nova kite]

Top*

[glossy nebula]

Didnt play ultros thx

[terse heart]

Insane images I just saw

[worldly umbra]

not on top but its cool

[glossy nebula]

Depends on genre

I mostly hate indies

[terse heart]

You HATE hollow knight?

[exotic cedar]

i honesrly never watched those shows neither im interested in them idk what they are about

[nova kite]

!?

[glossy nebula]

I liked hollow knight

[terse heart]

LIKED??

[trim estuary]

thats what HATERS say

[worldly umbra]

mostly you ragebaiter

[odd hull]

We all hate hollow knight here.

[glossy nebula]

I hate on indies doesnt mean I hated most of them

[nova kite]

Ok wait we have lost the plot

[trim estuary]

i can understand not liking the first game but the second one is the best ever

[glossy nebula]

I hated a majority. I loved alot of them

[orchid spruce]

I hate when filthy smelly dudes cook up stupid games and sell them at overpriced tag

[glossy nebula]

But most is just slop

[exotic cedar]

i hate every game

[terse heart]

I would never bait rage out of someone, thank you

[worldly umbra]

he said most you literally just assumed he didnt like hk thats kinda stupid lol

[nova kite]

Ok yk that is really accurate but I think most games mentioned in this channel in the past few minutes have been good

[glossy nebula]

You should probably try cod bo7

[terse heart]

That's stupid, not an act of baiting rage

[glossy nebula]

Yeah but I didnt like stardew

Not my type

[trim estuary]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sobaka-podozritelno--k01KRW0PEGZ6HT2CD5DMKG07PJ1

[nova kite]

Ur choice I think it was boring for the first 1 or 2 hrs then it got peak

[exotic cedar]

wow... hearing that is like finding a gem at a coal mine...

[orchid spruce]

Roguelikes never got peak for me

[glossy nebula]

Super underrated

[worldly umbra]

go downstairs if you hate hollow knight

[orchid spruce]

I just accepted it's not my genre. Farming isn't for everyone neither.

[opaque sigil]

did you play slay the spire 2

[glossy nebula]

God I wish we get more games like cod 4

[fiery burrow]

ever notice how everyone is always about boycotting COD until it affect their lifestyle

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/sin-dinero-gif-1969716568055105676

[nova kite]

Rogue likes have less replayability imo ik ik "it's a rouguelike!"

[glossy nebula]

Cod 4 is cool

[terse heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvTwcXGwKR4

[exotic cedar]

silksong isnt fun anymore...

[glossy nebula]

These arent reslly rogueliles

It is more roguelites

[opaque sigil]

me too towel me too

[worldly umbra]

gaming isnt fun anymore...

[nova kite]

Ig

[glossy nebula]

Roguelikes are 90s and early 2000s games

[orchid spruce]

metroidvanias rock

[glossy nebula]

Roguelikes are mostly text based

[orchid spruce]

so fuck every other genre

[fiery burrow]

Yeah roguelikes need to put some effort into adding run variety through like item synergies and giving the player enough control to make decisions while still having RNG and stuff

[nova kite]

Spitting facts?

[odd hull]

lmao

[glossy nebula]

Dont fuck minecraft

[orchid spruce]

slay the spire the goat

[nova kite]

It seems only like a one time use then throw away

[exotic cedar]

idk what genre is my favorite i just play some bulllshit

[glossy nebula]

And turn based

We just come full circle havent we

[nova kite]

Ngl slay the spire and balatro (if you count it) are the only good ones out there

[opaque sigil]

500 white noise+es

[orchid spruce]

slay the spire is the only roguelike i have more than 5 hours in, and i have like 30 hours on it

[fiery burrow]

no one cares about roguelike qualifications ngl

[odd hull]

Real

[patent heath]

Ever notice how lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Vestibulum at vestibulum leo, nec varius nibh?

[glossy nebula]

Slay the spire is a real roguelike

[trim estuary]

these are the roguelites i have the most hours in

[glossy nebula]

Others are roguelike likes

[nova kite]

HOLY GOATTTTTTT

[orchid spruce]

balatro is so overrated, icl. sure, big number ouougaga but got old fast.

[glossy nebula]

Or roguelites

[orchid spruce]

balatro being goty is just stupid

[fiery burrow]

rain world expedition my beloved

[terse heart]

what is your pfp

[fiery burrow]

beats downpour campaigns

[exotic cedar]

i have played one rougelite and its dead cells with 450 hours

[trim estuary]

me?

[nova kite]

Ok yeah rain world also good

[opaque sigil]

does that actually have some sort of progression

[glossy nebula]

Anyone knows why did the roguelike genre get defined to roguelike like

[terse heart]

yes

[trim estuary]

yeah its me irl

[nova kite]

Wait now that I think abt it ur right

[fiery burrow]

kinda

[glossy nebula]

Like roguelikes used to be turnbased

[glossy nebula]

Text based mostly

[fiery burrow]

Roguelite progression with like upgrades if you do certain challenges

[orchid spruce]

ikr

[trim estuary]

it has unlockable abilities, like you can unlock slots and give any slugcat rivulet's speed or artificer's jump

[vivid belfry]

there isn't an agreed-upon distinction between roguelite and roguelike

[fiery burrow]

From what I can tell the upgrades are equippable and not well balanced

[opaque sigil]

at this point there just isn't one

[glossy nebula]

Not the new definitions

[fiery burrow]

One of them is just the rivulet speedboost I believe

[glossy nebula]

When did the definition change

[nova kite]

Can we circle back to like sk?

[glossy nebula]

I remember growing up it being only turnbased

[versed pollen]

When has anything in Rain World ever been balanced tbf

[orchid spruce]

We love Silksong here, it's the best metroidvania of all time

[vivid belfry]

if you've got a topic you can say it

[orchid spruce]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1377202997238435861/1494199657365110804/cats_campfire_sacrifice-1.gif

[trim estuary]

expedition has you become an apex predator with all the abilities lmao

[odd hull]

NOOOO

[versed pollen]

Rain World is super unbalanced giga hell and that's like the point

[exotic cedar]

i dont like ai generated content

[nova kite]

Idk I felt collecting the souls for the trap for gms was really stupid

[nova kite]

What

[fiery burrow]

I ❤️ crunch

[glossy nebula]

Oh wait a google search told me 2010

God I am old

[odd hull]

Why

[vivid belfry]

if these were tied to clearing the wish walls in each town, it would make it clearer that doing that is important AND cut out about 20 seconds of walking from the silk and soul quest

[nova kite]

What connection does soul have with pulling a pale being into the void

[versed pollen]

You keep sending me these images with sound

[nova kite]

Ye

[fiery burrow]

You can tell whats happening with audio alone

[vivid belfry]

using soul to teleport isn't really new

[versed pollen]

I bet it's you being spawn camped you little chuddy

[vivid belfry]

like we've never seen it used to open a portal but it's not an unbelievable leap

[nova kite]

But I feel it would be a bit better if we got more explanation

[worn reef]

i downloaded a game bundle hope its good

[vivid belfry]

HK doesn't have a hard magic system

shit just happens

[nova kite]

Which one?

[opaque sigil]

what part do you want explained

[stable belfry]

what are the journal entries in between plasma and abyss

[worn reef]

blasphemous

[odd hull]

to empower the trap/spell, no?

[glossy nebula]

I think verdenia?

Not sure tho

[nova kite]

Fair enough but soul and void?

[opaque sigil]

the spell the shamans use is 100% a soul spell

[worn reef]

I played Enderlillies and endermagnolia and saw darksouls and saw blasphemous was dark souls like. hope it doesnt disappoint

[nova kite]

You could argue like kingsoul void heart stuff but I needed more lore implications tbh

[fiery burrow]

they used soul to open a portal to the abyss

[opaque sigil]

much like how PV uses soul to open a portal to the realm of swords

[fiery burrow]

soul realm

[nova kite]

Soul is just not thoroughly explained in both games tbh

[worn reef]

but its worth it?

[tepid birch]

This game is beautiful

[nova kite]

So ye they can pull random shi with it

[fiery burrow]

song magic

[cosmic flume]

anyone wanna call me and help me with act 2 rn

am stuck on one of the things

[opaque sigil]

Soul is mana

[nova kite]

I couldve 2 hrs ago

[cosmic flume]

?

[fiery burrow]

feeling a light 7 on the hymn of protection

[nova kite]

Now can't tho

[cosmic flume]

ah ok

[nova kite]

Is there any lore which explains where it comes from

[astral carbon]

I cant wait to do coral tower im sure it'll be so much fun

[opaque sigil]

it's life force

[cosmic flume]

still anyone wanna call to help me in act 2?

[odd hull]

wdym? I didn't undertand

[nova kite]

Ig soul master and the shamans are they only people to acc harness it

[bold mountain]

Why does Hornet love sewing so much?

Because she’s absolutely thread-ening to the bosses.

[nova kite]

The shamans in hk give the knight spells

[cosmic flume]

shes a spider

[worn reef]

like difficult games but fun

[lusty grove]

why does Trobbio exist

[exotic cedar]

its pretty fun

[torpid swift]

Butterfly

[worn reef]

why not

[cosmic flume]

its a fun boss fight when you get use to trobbio

[odd hull]

The portal itself is summoned with soul ig. If "where the soul goes" is what you're asking

[worn reef]

I still havent beaten tormented

[cosmic flume]

just like the others which i wish i couldve appretiated

whats that white this that hornets stabbing?

[lusty grove]

he's completely unrelated to basically anything else

[glossy nebula]

Trobio is the best boss

[cosmic flume]

nah widow is

[glossy nebula]

He is just dramatic

[lusty grove]

he's just thrown awkwardly in a room in Vaults

[worn reef]

still cool

[glossy nebula]

Did you see his quill

[worn reef]

so was NKG

[cosmic flume]

wait normal trobbio or tormented trobbio?

[lusty grove]

yeah, he's cool, but he has no purpose in the plot

[glossy nebula]

He qas trying to find something to stop the haunting

[versed pollen]

Trobbio who is also here

[lusty grove]

Grimm has his whole lore and stuff, Trobbio's just there

[trim estuary]

Why are there white flowers in Lace’s arena? Sometimes things just happen

[glossy nebula]

But he is ovrer dramatic

[odd hull]

Hmm, do you plan on playing Blasphemous, right?

[worldly umbra]

true

[worn reef]

yeah I am downloading them

[nova kite]

Wait what if soul is somewhat like a manifestation. Yk his shades are regrets left behind? In silksong ur cocoon is made up of soul cuz when u die in steel soul it says may ur soul find peace but in hk it says may ur shade. So using the same logic we could infer soul is somewhat similar even tho that's a long shot. As we saw in hk soul could potentially be used for immortality cuz soul master got pretty close. So just a theory but what if soul is something all higher beings have

[glossy nebula]

Because it compliments lace?

[worn reef]

but both are kinda there

[lusty grove]

TC just decided to add a gay guy with fireworks in the middle of Vaults for no particular reason

[broken seal]

[torpid swift]

My theory is um idk. Stick bug🐛🐛🐛🐛🐛

white buge

[odd hull]

So true

[trim estuary]

He’s a citizen of Pharloom let him do what he wants

[broken seal]

he's an entertainer from before the fall of Pharloom

[nova kite]

I'm the overthinking final boss

[broken seal]

or he became one after it fell, but the former i think is more accurate

[lusty grove]

I know what he is, but he adds literally nothing to the lore or the plot

[worn reef]

theres a few

[odd hull]

Aah, have fun!

[cosmic flume]

its Grimms brother

[trim estuary]

You say this like Phantom isn’t exactly the same

[cosmic flume]

well true

[broken seal]

To answer this, everything has soul.

[nova kite]

We sure??

[opaque sigil]

phantom is character development for lace

[lusty grove]

Phantom USED TO have cool lore and plot relevancy, but they TOOK IT FROM US

[trim estuary]

Shhhhh

[worn reef]

Guys may is almost over and no dlc yet

[vivid belfry]

I mean phantom at least has a state sanctioned job

[cosmic flume]

what?

[torpid swift]

Phantom is just the person behind the mist

[worldly umbra]

for a reason

[nova kite]

Nah trobbio and phantom both have lore purposes

[broken seal]

Yes. Most creatures cannot manipulate it, but they all have Soul.

[torpid swift]

come to think of it what does trobbio actually do

[lusty grove]

WHY??

[nova kite]

Ooooooooh noice

[lusty grove]

nothing, that's my point

[worldly umbra]

idk tc didnt think it fit

[orchid spruce]

Phantom could have been a thematically coherent final boss

[vivid belfry]

Trobbio is just some guy

[torpid swift]

true

[worn reef]

I love phantom

[trim estuary]

First Sinner also could do that

[orchid spruce]

oh my, the potentials

[lusty grove]

having Old Heart foreshadowing and Phantom mirroring Green Prince would be perfect

[trim estuary]

Instead of VOID LACE

[vivid belfry]

like he's a theater kid who went violently insane about the fact that the kingdom is crumbling and came up with a solution with no basis

[worldly umbra]

both phantom and lace are failures of gms, but one decided to hide away and abort her mission and the other stayed loyal until the very end

[nova kite]

TROBBIO IS USED TO SYMBOLISE THE GLORY DAYS OF PHARLOOM WHEN HE WAS FAMOUS FOR HIS ART AND PHANTOM IS ANOTHER OUTCAST FROM THE WEAVERS KINDA THERE WAS SOME LORE ABOUT HER BEING A FAILED ATTEMPT

[worldly umbra]

parallels

[torpid swift]

trobbio reminds me of that boss from Luigi's mansion 3

[orchid spruce]

phantom being the other daughter is just the perfect setup for juxtaposition, but nooo void lace

[lusty grove]

even their arenas are similar

[trim estuary]

I’m thinking… it’s time for a Phantom pronoun debate

[nova kite]

Lace planned to betray gms all along

[orchid spruce]

no, it's not

[torpid swift]

Counterpoint: EVIL LACE

[worldly umbra]

no

[lusty grove]

wdym no

[opaque sigil]

is it really though

[trim estuary]

No…

[worldly umbra]

they.. are just big rooms

all boss arenas

[wind mulch]

trobbio is meant to reflect that fact that theatre kids are evil

[worldly umbra]

the ONLY similarity is that they have big things in the middle of them but even thats a stupid point

[worn reef]

ghirahim?!

[trim estuary]

Trobbio isn’t evil he just wants to kill people

[fiery burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/pronouns-starfield-yapping-rage-spitting-facts-gif-11981307528457578648

[nova kite]

Ganondorf?????

[opaque sigil]

every time I see this all I can think of is that remix

[worn reef]

dimentio from paper mario

[nova kite]

Anyway guys I'm out

Bye

[odd hull]

Byee

[wind mulch]

bye forever

[worldly umbra]

goober

[lusty grove]

I mean, look

[opaque sigil]

ah yes two rooms with things in the middle

very remarkable

[wind mulch]

whatever you're trying to say I agree

[sharp slate]

hmmm

[sharp slate]

i see now

[orchid spruce]

AMONGUS

[icy crow]

I cast the spell: "Sussurmonggus"

[worldly umbra]

flukeamogus

[opaque sigil]

oh so that's why hornet murdered him he was an impostor

[lusty grove]

also, Phantom is a ghost, and the other Clover Dancer is a ghost
they're both in the last room of a "fake" area
they're both part of a "couple" of characters were one of them died to the Citadel
they're both song-related
and Phantom would have Old Heart lore BUT THEY TOOK IT AWAY FROM US

[orchid spruce]

Silksong x Among us colab

[worldly umbra]

exhaust organ isnt a fake area

[orchid spruce]

Silksong is finally a masterpiece

[lusty grove]

the Mist is

[wind mulch]

the parallels bro

[worldly umbra]

everything else is cool

[wind mulch]

does anyone else have chills

[worldly umbra]

but exhaust organ is in bilewater and thats not the final room of the mist

[opaque sigil]

yeah turned the AC on today might have to check the settings

[wind mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/chills-literal-gif-13287875

[worldly umbra]

i dont think it would make any sense for phantom to know about the old hearts

[amber turtle]

where do I go to fight phantom

cuz idk if I can still bc I’m at the end of act 2

[worldly umbra]

go to sk help

lots of spoilers here

[opaque sigil]

breakable wall in sinner's road or bilewater

[honest field]

SoS tmrw

[lusty grove]

if the Organ Sleepers still existed (WHICH THEY DON'T CUZ TC SUCKS), I'd say Phantom was created to try to mimic the Old Hearts' power

[wind mulch]

dont we know why phantom was created

[worldly umbra]

i guess ??

could just be another thing for lace

i dont think theres some deeper purpose like that

[lusty grove]

there could be BUT THEY TOOK IT FROM US

[opaque sigil]

she's probably just meant to be a child like lace

[lusty grove]

also considering how there are 2 Clover Dancers it'd be cool if Lace and Phantom and the Dancers paralleled each other

[worldly umbra]

@lusty grove oh yeah hows that hk project (you didnt continue it did you)

[lusty grove]

which one?

I have many unfinished projects

[worldly umbra]

that quirrel one that transformed into a bee thing

[lusty grove]

oh

yeah, I kinda gave up on that

I have a problem with sticking to stuff

[worldly umbra]

remember that other project, the one where you are in someones mind

[lusty grove]

yup

[worldly umbra]

wait go in dms

[torpid swift]

bro tryna slide into the dms

[worldly umbra]

we've already talked btw

[torpid swift]

yeah I'm aware

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/leon-kennedy-resident-evil-eyes-cry-gif-15905930651060335967

[exotic cedar]

eyes

[red forge]

Hello silkhub

When is team cherry gonna fix the dead server bug

[torpid swift]

IDK

[opaque sigil]

it's not a bug the servers got shut down

didn't you hear? they went under

[hexed ingot]

so gms could abuse children

[torpid swift]

Kill 7 billion people

[ornate perch]

Guys I killed Groal in my steel soul

[torpid swift]

Peak

[barren dew]

This is why we should kill gms

[fiery burrow]

phantom was created so she could be strong in mind, in care, in claw

[barren dew]

What if I kicked phantom like a football too

[rocky jolt]

yumama

[hexed ingot]

you just like gms fr

[barren dew]

No I just hate them equally KILL GMS AND LACE and spare phantom

[long grove]

[barren dew]

[exotic cedar]

Eat 8 billion kilograms of silk

[lusty grove]

they should make a Beastly Beastfly whose spawns are Savage Beastflies

[inland sparrow]

No

[long grove]

why u posted grubfather's dinner?

[inland sparrow]

please dont

[clear fulcrum]

It's actually kinda funny that this wouldn't be that hard

[exotic cedar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-thanos-cooking-rpUEvcQH5MvoJFAT4z

[barren dew]

THEY AREN'T DINNER!!! THAT'S HOW THEY BECOME A BUTTERFLY!!!!!

[lusty grove]

wdym it would be hard af

[barren dew]

Turn 8 billion people into butterflies

[odd hull]

Helo

[barren dew]

Hi

[clear fulcrum]

No bro you don't understand, HK is actually a super dark and edgy story that is deeply pessimistic.

[long grove]

I'll let u believe in that

[plain trout]

You guys watch the movie that has a killer condom

[barren dew]

?

?

?

[long grove]

?

[plain trout]

what

[fiery burrow]

HK is a gritty and dark narrative that tells it like it is 🚬

[clear fulcrum]

Not really, only two real moves and none of them directly cover aerial movement, at least late game.

[lusty grove]

three. savage. beastflies. at once. MINIMUM

[barren dew]

I can't believe this HK is problematic media that shouldn't have bugs

[clear fulcrum]

Yeah, it's kinda like the dark knight (kinda niche movie but it's super dark)

[fiery burrow]

wow elite ball knowledge

[clear fulcrum]

The beastflies aren't even hard bosses dude 😭

i'd much rather have beast flies as adds than those lava flier thingies

[exotic cedar]

Tc should just make a game about me... It will be goty....

[barren dew]

What are you talking about like genuinely

[lusty grove]

fight three at once and one spawns two more

[fiery burrow]

they would make you racist lowk

[slim burrow]

I honestly had no problem on both of them

[clear fulcrum]

i'd be done with the first 2 by then

[orchid spruce]

lmao, EVERY game has to have a prison sequence, doesn't it

[exotic cedar]

Fuck i havent thought about that