sk-discussion

[misty lynx]

Erm, that's not how you spell Lady Ethereal

[graceful oyster]

Here's hoping

[formal jasper]

my pronounce is a turtle btw

[orchid spruce]

supreme also actively stops steelslop, from what i heard

but that's if it ever comes out

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/oUz8djdQw6h.gif

[graceful oyster]

Holy crackers I have been overlooking "Stop at Nothing"

[heady iron]

someone get on modded kanghui

[graceful oyster]

Each spawn is an Empyrean guard

[zealous nimbus]

The answer seems to be yes
Though it’s interesting to me that kratt isn’t required for act 3

[frank frigate]

do i smell nine sols

[orchid spruce]

let's talk about the new hitgame silksong

[exotic dome]

this might be the hardest boss i've ever seen

[frank frigate]

Whabt boss

[lavish apex]

@graceful oyster OUTER WILDS SPOILERS ||i probably should have guessed that all the signals combine into one song||

[plush plover]

please move all silksong discussion to #off-topic!

[exotic dome]

i don't remember getting mogged this hard since final boss of lies of p dlc

[subtle lynx]

I'm a foreigner in my own country

[exotic dome]

ns final boss

[frank frigate]

eignog

[rocky jolt]

my cats always brother me

[graceful oyster]

|| and a very nice one at that. If you haven't already you could see what it sounds like when you get as many as possible||

[subtle lynx]

Guys, you're not bad at silksong, it's just the stupid hitboxes

[ocean quarry]

what the fuck are those "cats"

[subtle lynx]

Horseshoe crabs

[ocean quarry]

bro bred savage beastflies irl

[versed pollen]

Silksong if it was a good game

[rocky jolt]

beastflys stinky green chud aura is part of its hitbox 💔

[subtle lynx]

Can't you see how small hornet's hitbox is?

It doesn't actually represent her character

[ocean quarry]

is that a pvz pfp

[subtle lynx]

Yes

[rapid vortex]

Citron

[ocean quarry]

citron ❤️

[subtle lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-hey-sup-heygirl-flirt-gif-5190444

[ocean quarry]

it's so ass but i love it regardless

[rapid vortex]

Most fun character in the game

[ocean quarry]

(in pvz2, at least)

[subtle lynx]

Yes

[rapid vortex]

I’m taking abt the shooter game

[ocean quarry]

is that official art

[ocean quarry]

because it looks incredible

[cursive pagoda]

cockroach milk cheese

[rapid vortex]

I think it’s in the intro

[subtle lynx]

Yeah lol, it's the pvzgw2 trailer and it always plays when you open the game

[ocean quarry]

who up citring their on

[subtle lynx]

No way

[cursive pagoda]

im horning my net

[subtle lynx]

For the nine sols freaks in here

[rapid vortex]

Peak

[ocean quarry]

hornet losing her way be like:

[subtle lynx]

Hornet losing her needle be like:

[lavish apex]

i think that's what i did incidentally

[meager jolt]

BALD

[rocky jolt]

this guy was just born and already deals double damage

[agile sapphire]

I hate that thing so much

[rocky jolt]

https://x.com/rrokast15138/status/2045921870781063559

ψ(._. ) (@rrokast15138)

🦷…

X · Apr 19, 2026, 5:46 PM

[undone gate]

Sadly the nail fell above Moss Groto on a citidal enemy who was trying to capture hornet

[subtle lynx]

I can listen to verdania's theme by just looking at this

[rapid vortex]

Beast fly isn’t even that bad

Just spam pogo and it can’t hit you

[meager jolt]

Cute

[undone gate]

It's a SilkPost the hitboxes are inaccurate there

[vestal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/reignald-monsterhouse-eat-hungry-munch-gif-19913088

[subtle lynx]

Yeah, it's here

[rocky jolt]

lets see what r/Silksong is talking about

[agile sapphire]

I spent two hours trying to kill him qnd didnt even do it that day
I dont hate the bose i hate when they spawn stuff

[rapid vortex]

I mean that’s fair

[rocky jolt]

something something ''fourth of a chorus''

[undone gate]

I saw the Silkpost so I knew

[rapid vortex]

But just silk skill or something

[subtle lynx]

What silkpost

There just is a random chance your needle will be far away enough that you can't reach it

[agile sapphire]

I need to get to act 3

[subtle lynx]

And you'll just get stuck

[rocky jolt]

https://x.com/Shantysixix/status/2007920048212746735

Lollipop 🍭 (@Shantysixix)

That one time I wore a hornet cosplay to the FNAF 2 movie for no reason

#silksong

X · Jan 4, 2026, 9:00 PM

[undone gate]

Yes I know the chance of that happening is 0/1000000 which is almost too high

[broken seal]

they should wear freddy cosplay to the silksong movie coming out

[rocky jolt]

is that real

[broken seal]

yeah

[rocky jolt]

holy shit

[quartz cave]

hello homosexuals

i come here to spread propaganda

[agile sapphire]

Hey hru

[heady iron]

Starring Chris Pratt as Hornet

[agile sapphire]

Oh

[quartz cave]

project hail mary for moty

[subtle lynx]

Wow 0/100000000 is a lot

[broken seal]

Muse?

[rocky jolt]

homosexuals sexuals

[pliant magnet]

sil

[quartz cave]

(movie of the year)

[pliant magnet]

song

[broken seal]

so far, yeah

[quartz cave]

its so peak,.,.,.,.,,,.,.,.,.,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,.,.

[broken seal]

nothing comes close to beating it and i doubt anything coming out before 2027 will be able to surpass it

[heady iron]

I liked hoppers more than hail mary tbh

[quartz cave]

can we ban him

[broken seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385328083095130194/1493919674449264711/tenor_15.gif

[quartz cave]

hoppers was good but it wasnt amazing imo

[broken seal]

haven't seen it barely know anything about it

modern disney slop but it's Pixar so it's prolly good still

[quartz cave]

i liked it its just nothing magical

[broken seal]

yeah i doubt it comes close to hail mary lmao

[heady iron]

Maybe I'm comparing it too much to interstellar

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-project-hail-mary-rocky-rocky-project-hail-mary-absolute-cinema-gif-9228846522669207404

[broken seal]

As much as I love P:HM, Interstellar beats it

[heady iron]

Did the same with the Martian

[broken seal]

good thing Interstellar didn't come out this year 🗣🔥

[quartz cave]

i have not yet seen interstellar

[broken seal]

it's incredible, and if you like space stuff (like PHM) then i imagine you'll love it

[heady iron]

Bro I missed the 10 year anniversary screening 2 years ago seeing it in Dolby would've been sick

[broken seal]

i was lucky enough to see it when it first came out in theaters, and i ofc went and saw it for the 10 year anni

[arctic epoch]

Fist my bump

[quartz cave]

interstellar would be a good movie if they played among us for at least twenty minutes in it

[vestal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/28-years-later-sweep-gif-12130392273582607431

[quartz cave]

still not right but i will

[arctic epoch]

i can't get enough of PHM

i'm listening to the audiobook rn

booked an IMAX for Tuesday

[quartz cave]

i really need to read it
how long is it

[arctic epoch]

16 hours audio

[heady iron]

Me watching ||Doyle standing outside the ship like a fucking idiot||

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-no-no-no-gif-15094791629266170630

[quartz cave]

pages perhaps?

[broken seal]

I saw Iron Lung and thought "wow this is probably gonna be the best scifi/space movie that'll come out for a bit" and then PHM came in and solo'd it into oblivion

[arctic epoch]

496 pages?

[quartz cave]

i also really need to watch superman i missed it

[quartz cave]

that sounds somewhat readable

[arctic epoch]

they do get very detail in the book

[quartz cave]

ryland shouldve hit the macarena when he first met rocky

[broken seal]

ofc Iron Lung is still fantastic imo and as an indie movie i think it's INSANE, but comparing it to PHM is like comparing a microwave meal to Gordon Ramsay's cooking (exaggeration obv but you get the idea)

[heady iron]

Do you think Grace ended up finding a stone baddie on Rocky's planet

[broken seal]

i was expexting him to ngl

also who tf is ryland 😭 am i stupid

[quartz cave]

iron lung was quite a weird movie like, you hear of random celebrity castings but why would the iron lung director cast a youtuber as his main character

[quartz cave]

Dr Ryland Grace

[broken seal]

OH YEAH

[arctic epoch]

Captain, Dr. Ryland Grace

[quartz cave]

TRUE

[broken seal]

bro i read the book and it was one of my favorite scifi books how tf did i forget his first name was Ryland 😭😭😭

[quartz cave]

no pilot not detected pilot not detected

[broken seal]

if only Iron Lung had the same budget as these bigger movies

[quartz cave]

(he sucks at that rocky could never)

[broken seal]

it would be even more fire

[heady iron]

There's no way he didn't end up pairing with one of the rocks there

[broken seal]

💀

[quartz cave]

LMAIO

[arctic epoch]

how much budget went into IL? idk, but honestly i doubt it would come a quarter close to PHM, the movie's background is insane

[broken seal]

Around 4 million ish was the budget

[heady iron]

4 million for someone to sit in a metal can for 2 hours (I haven't seen the movie)

[broken seal]

for reference the budget of PHM was ~200-250 million

[quartz cave]

market pliers after spending an entire movie inside the iron giants lung (i have not seen the movie either)

[broken seal]

both of you should watch, like i said with Interstellar, if you like PHM then you'll like Iron Lung

[arctic epoch]

i wonder how much went into the actor's wage

[heady iron]

Well silksong had a budget of 150k and beat out starfield with a 400m budget

[quartz cave]

not the first and wont be the last to tell me to watch interstellar

[arctic epoch]

i don't think Iron Lung is coming back to theather in anytime soon

[quartz cave]

i just have a hard time going to watch like a movie even if i know for sure ill like it

like i said i postponed superman until it left theaters

[heady iron]

I watched superman on a plane and it was alright

[broken seal]

Iron Lung is a bit darker (both visually and narratively, turn your brightness up when watching cuz GOD DAMNN) and it's not smth to compare to PHM cuz it unfortunately doesn't reach that quality but it's still great

[arctic epoch]

i highkey wanna go so bad but it means i will go alone cuz none of the people i know are into hard sci-fi, let alone 2 hours long with only sub movie 🙏

[orchid spruce]

subtle flex

[broken seal]

it got an extended rerun, i think it's gone from theaters now but it'll be out for streaming some time in the next few months

[broken seal]

dw gang i'll go with you

[sharp slate]

im sorry are they saying silksong was developed for 150k cause i call bs

[heady iron]

I made the number up to fit my narrative

[quartz cave]

man i really cannot wait for the among us show to obscenely dethrone PHM and Interstellar as best space media ever

[orchid spruce]

[broken seal]

We don't know the budget of Silksong at all, it's not public knowledge. BUT the general estimate that people have figured out is roughly 4-5 million dollars

[graceful oyster]

Ooh this reminds me I've listened to Rain World and Hollow Knight and Tunic and a bunch of other games' soundtracks while in helicopters but this summer I get to add Mio, 9s, and Ss to the roster

[sharp slate]

really size of team is a huge impactor on budget as well, salaries cost ALOT of money, especially for talented crew/actors/devs (movies/game)

[frosty kelp]

haha there's even unique dialogue

[broken seal]

but it could be much less or much more

[fiery burrow]

should they have hired more people

[heady iron]

They should've hired me

If I was on the team it'd be a good gamr

[quartz cave]

silksong shouldve hired someone to tell them not to make shit from the ass (aka to cancel the game)

[orchid spruce]

bro, if silksong was genuinely millions of dollars, i will lose my shit. millions for this??

[broken seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1385328083095130194/1493919674449264711/tenor_15.gif

[fiery burrow]

7 years btw

[orchid spruce]

[heady iron]

Millions of dollars for cartoon graphics

[quartz cave]

like ive heard of wastes of money before but

[fiery burrow]

Slandering Silksong is the reason this heart still beats

[sharp slate]

tbf if each of the 3 devs made 100k each a year during silksong's devolpment, it would be about 2.1 million in salary alone

[lofty kraken]

Why is there no bench within 5 minutes of gameplay towards enraged conchfly
The boss isnt even hard, it just takes a lightyear to get there

[orchid spruce]

i will choose to believe the dlcs are like the biggest updates on earth, worthy of being a game of their own and save silksong

[heady iron]

Team cherry doesn't hire more people because they want all the money for themselves

[broken seal]

"Save silksong" as if they haven't made well over a hundred million dollars in profits 😭

[heady iron]

Wilbo needs 10 more yachts

[fiery burrow]

I don't think dev time is a big deal but you do have to question how they didn't think of reworking shellshards in that timespan

[orchid spruce]

save the game not their wallet

[quartz cave]

TRUE

[broken seal]

the game is good even if you don't like it 🫰

[exotic dome]

more testers

[fiery burrow]

a real writer

[heady iron]

A level designer

[quartz cave]

taste is one thing but the games truly unsalvageable

[heady iron]

A competent PR manager

[quartz cave]

i could ask my five year old cousin to make a better story and would be able to

[exotic dome]

ns final boss is gonna take 100+ attempts 💔

[broken seal]

😭

[heady iron]

"What if there was a big bad girl that you had to fight and then an even bigger badder evil takes over" preschool tier narrative

[broken seal]

you can make any story sound bad by oversimplifying it

[arctic epoch]

so, will SoS release in this timeline?

[broken seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332161685196374095/1380557384476262512/attachment.gif

[fiery burrow]

Its not a complex narrative

[broken seal]

it doesn't need to be

[sharp slate]

Silksongs story is weak, but im not gonna go slam on it that much

not good not bad imo

[exotic dome]

mid

[fiery burrow]

Its a metroidvania story is gonna be on the backburner but like

Wow how did they come up with this 😭

[rocky jolt]

exactly

[exotic dome]

act 3 story is barely 5/10

[fiery burrow]

7 years and silk infection void infection and lifeblood infection is what they landed on

[sharp slate]

It's weird because honestly havent played any metroidvanias with a solid story, even for nine sols which i say has amazing story beats and amazing themes, the story itself kinda sucks if you boil it down to the basic parts

[quartz cave]

star do you think silksongs story would be better if house md showed up mid act 2 and tried to deny GMS had lupus

[sharp slate]

major nine sols spoiler end of story ||evil person tries to achieve immortality causing bad thing to happen, main character sacrafices themselves as redemption because they regret stuff||

[fiery burrow]

Does this guy ever actually practice medicine

[worldly umbra]

silksong if it was better

[exotic dome]

hornet, a chemistry teacher in pharloom, gets diagnosed with cancer

[formal jasper]

deltarune

[worldly umbra]

sounds familar

[graceful oyster]

Yeah but every attempt is awesome and it feels like you die because you suck, not because the boss sucks

[heady iron]

Did you try the medicine drug (plasmium)

[rocky jolt]

i like void its sick but i think the haunting is just too similar to the infection and is just boring overall

[quartz cave]

Well if you count the labrats he tests medicine and stuff on (his patients) s practice then yes

[rocky jolt]

Jax

[fiery burrow]

I thought the rats were the medicine

[sharp slate]

difficulty curve sucks tbh

[arctic epoch]

oh, we're slandering silksong's story now? Awesome

[exotic dome]

man ofc

i feel insulted rn

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-every-episode-of-house-md-medicine-drug-house-meme-gif-14671916867387513828

[sharp slate]

I think true thing that shines in silksong is mechanics tbh

[graceful oyster]

Just because ||it's a cliche|| doesn't make it invalid. It's a very strong conclusion.

[sharp slate]

art and music are good
story eh

[exotic dome]

mechanics are peak

[sharp slate]

Yea but the whole nine sol spoiler ||final villian created the whole problem|| is so basic

[quartz cave]

FUCKKK FUCKKK FUCKKK FUCKKK chat i was building the artemis II and a piece went flying off and now i cant find kt

[graceful oyster]

Again, ||basic != bad||

[sharp slate]

i think in this case it is though just my opinion

[quartz cave]

Nevermind i found it

[exotic dome]

they spent 7 years to make more fluid movement and wrote the story on the day before trailer

[exotic dome]

pond of whatever

[graceful oyster]

It's ||"basic"|| because it's a good story aspect that is compelling and people use it

[rocky jolt]

they were too busy making rosary physics

[sharp slate]

The only thing storywise i have seen metroidvanias do good is story beats, like small sections of the stories basically

moments of impact, not overarching stories

[orchid spruce]

||eigong|| isn't a classic evil villian

[rocky jolt]

do we need to be spoiling the word basic

[orchid spruce]

||the story shows her that way, but if you dig any deeper, she's not|| (9S)

[graceful oyster]

||No need to be advertising the usage of a cliche, it can kinda dullen the moment if people go into it knowing that||

[orchid spruce]

||she's not excluded from the sol speech, she's also just one of the Sols|| (9S)

[rocky jolt]

just some bullshit bro

[exotic dome]

||i googled the name of the boss and the first thing that showed up is "phase 3" wdym "phase 3" 💔💔💔||

[rocky jolt]

ok youre right

[graceful oyster]

Why would you google it

[rocky jolt]

i was clicking every spoiler ive seen so

[graceful oyster]

We're right here, don't ask spoiler.com for help

[sharp slate]

might want to spoiler that doggo

[exotic dome]

ok what jades would you recommend

[rocky jolt]

both hollow knight games are the only games ive ever been spoiled on because i just had to be looking up stuff about the game

[undone gate]

For the True Final Boss

[sharp slate]

but yea, even hollow knights story is pretty damn weak

it has very good story impact moments but itself eh

[exotic dome]

just the final boss i think

[graceful oyster]

||Hedgehog is a staple since you're parrying a lot. Divine hand is pretty crazy if you want to get into using unbounded counters. Quick dose is pretty essential on a first clear.||

[fiery burrow]

What I like about HK is how storybeats map very well onto a thematic message

Its generic but wtv

Worldbuilding was also solid and the main draw along with the characters tbh

[undone gate]

||Hedgehog is kinda bad||

[orchid spruce]

Silksong tries to do whatever and absolutely flops. I'd rather have some basic ass story than whatever happened.

[wind mulch]

hk can do nothing wrong

[undone gate]

Which Tailsman do you like to use

[graceful oyster]

||It's alright when your fight takes 6 minutes because it's a first clear||

[wind mulch]

hk and ss are like my two children that im supposed to love equally but i dont

[exotic dome]

im using ||full control||

[graceful oyster]

All styles are valid so pick whatever you're most comfortable with

[sharp slate]

It tries using themes but fails to tie it together in an overarching story, i do think they did lore actually pretty decently in silksong tbh but theres just nothing connecting everything, we are missing glue

[undone gate]

|| Steely Jade is a really good safety net for Full Control ||

[rocky jolt]

does anyone actually love them equally though

[sharp slate]

hk and ss i have rated basically same, but i wont touch hk for a while due to all my hours in it

[graceful oyster]

[sharp slate]

Me, i love both for different reasons

bingos in silksong suck, hk bingos for life

[rocky jolt]

well i do but i prefer silksong considering all things

[orchid spruce]

silksong in my heart ages like milk

[exotic dome]

i hate silksong because it's not perfect

[orchid spruce]

it was "obviously better than hk" for me back then

[rocky jolt]

silksong is like milk

[undone gate]

It's better than getting hit

[orchid spruce]

[fiery burrow]

ss lore felt pretty surface level to me but I enjoyed the worldbuilding behind the weavenests, citadel, and slab/bilewater

[sharp slate]

I think hk is alot more intresting to talk about with a first playthrough as well, feels like everyone went the same path, today i had a chat with someone in vc and we talked about our different paths in hk

skong we are like we went to dash, to far fields, to grey more, to judge, lost in act 2, mount fay

[fiery burrow]

By surface level I'm talking about stuff like shellwood or the craws having zero lore 😭

[exotic dome]

i think i missed the first jade you mentioned, i'll explore

[graceful oyster]

No I'm just a little apprehensive of steelrot

[exotic dome]

i need to take a break from the fight anyway

[graceful oyster]

It's not essential but yeah, not a bad thing to go grab if you need a break

[fiery burrow]

I loved just taking different paths in HK it added so much replayability

[rocky jolt]

the citadel is so cool i love corrupt religious megastructures

[brave estuary]

Yall think sea of sorrow is coming soon? Whats the prediction on a date?

[sharp slate]

no one knows

[fiery burrow]

I'm thinkin around summer

Just based off of vibes

[exotic dome]

i recommend arabic peninsula

[sharp slate]

This, i think its why bingo stands out alot in it as well tbh, alot of paths to take

[rocky jolt]

sure ill go there

[fiery burrow]

Need to try out bingo one day

[sharp slate]

its fun, i have played alot of it, but not near as much as some people xD

[fiery burrow]

Its still super cool that some people reach Deepnest before City of Tears

and like if they didn't do mantis lords they'd have to go get tram to escape and its like a whole adventure I never had

[cerulean sable]

dont know who the source of this but looks cool

[exotic dome]

i think i somehow did that in my first playthrough

[rocky jolt]

tram pass and desolate dive open up the game alot

[sharp slate]

i remeber someone telling me about them having that exprience as their first playthrough which i thought was crazy

[graceful oyster]

Deepnest is so peak

[sharp slate]

such a cool first route tbh

[fiery burrow]

Deepnest is unironically really good yeah

[sharp slate]

neat usage of iframes

[undone gate]

Using Pogo Iframes is cool

[fiery burrow]

There was a video pointing out how it carefully funnels you towards the bench which locks you into Deepnest with no easy way out and how its only then that they ramp up the horror with corpse creepers, nosk, and little weavers.

[sharp slate]

cursed wanderer pogo iframe tech xD

[fiery burrow]

Which is kinda awesome invisible design

[quartz cave]

of fucking course house leaves the hospital and his lackeys start diagnosing for lupus

[graceful oyster]

If the show's called Invincible...
Why can I see it?

[quartz cave]

did he teach you NOTHING

its NEVER lupus

[rocky jolt]

you must conquest it first

[sharp slate]

that sounds like an intresting video tbh

[quartz cave]

its cause youll wish you hadnt seen it if you ever do

[fiery burrow]

Its from ceave perspective

Who made a lotta mario maker videos back in the day it feels kinda weird seeing him do retrospectives now tbh

[sharp slate]

noted, ill have to watch it later

[sharp slate]

Just looked at the chapters for the video 10 minutes of the video are dedicated to deepnest thats funny that is a whole chapter dedicated to it

i want to play hk again now

[quartz cave]

new section for that one average episode of house md gif

"we need you to approve this treatment so we can give it to you stop saying no"
"oh okay ill approve"
they bleed out or something else happens
"oh my god if you approved the treatment we wouldve killed you"

[broken seal]

https://tenor.com/view/house-house-md-domain-expansion-dr-house-house-domain-gif-15600799113581393118

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/slipped-on-a-banan-house-dr-house-wilson-fall-gif-4233010537565726416

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/boosiefade-boosie-bruhwantedboosiefadebutgotthisinstead-gif-4018150076940301301

[broken seal]

https://tenor.com/view/house-house-md-estrogen-dr-house-gregory-house-gif-8047232819517376067

[carmine grove]

you ever watched md house guys

[quartz cave]

im literally doing so its peak

[rose ridge]

can you say unmarked spoilers in this channel

[broken seal]

yes

[cerulean sable]

get this mfer

[kind tide]

The dlc will come out when it comes out, inshallah

[broken seal]

you can talk abt any silksong spoilers just fine

[carmine grove]

what season?

[rose ridge]

ok

[broken seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332161685196374095/1380557384476262512/attachment.gif

[quartz cave]

4:6

[rose ridge]

do people really think lost lace is harder than absrad? i easily beat lost lace in like 30 minutes but still cant beat absrad

[broken seal]

different for different people

[carmine grove]

season 4 ep 6?

[exotic dome]

absrad is harder for most people

[broken seal]

but generally absrad is considered harder from what i've seen

[carmine grove]

how do you like house so far? got a favorite character?

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/james-wilson-house-md-gregory-house-sparkle-on-and-be-yourself-wednesday-gif-10694982973253766125

[sharp slate]

absrad likely

LL imo is probably seen as easier as well because you already know a decent portion of the pattern due to lace 2

[carmine grove]

oh truue, i actually love him randomly appearing and being almost the only one who can handle house energy

[rose ridge]

also lost lace is way more fun than absrad imo

[sharp slate]

i enjoyed absrad more, but its just preference

[rose ridge]

wrong opinion

[quartz cave]

they were made for eachother you cant say no

[eternal sonnet]

I could report this to you? I guess?
#speedrunning message

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/house-md-greg-house-james-wilson-hilson-house-and-wilson-gif-14711314540112464893

[quartz cave]

if you ever have anything to report you can just ping mods

anyway i dont have message delete perms in that channel specifically

[eternal sonnet]

sorry I will try

[quartz cave]

its fine

[carmine grove]

wym they are just friends 😎

[quartz cave]

LMAOOO house lied about where he was just so wilson got 16 hours of clinic

[cerulean sable]

luke warm take but bilewater is overhated

[carmine grove]

consider mentalist show after house, its a bout psychic guy working with cops

i cant say much about house because its been quite a while since i watched and dont remember what is spoiler 😅

[quartz cave]

sounds cool but i still have overe 30 hours of house left lmao so

[exotic dome]

how many seasond is house

[carmine grove]

hey you gonna finish it sooner than you expect, better to have a backup plane when you go "oh damn the food is hot what do i watch now"

[carmine grove]

8

[quartz cave]

TRUE

[quartz cave]

8 of actual show and about 3 and a half seasons worth of house and wilson making out scenes post credits

[carmine grove]

also helps with this feeling of emptiness when good show is ended

[quartz cave]

sometimes theyre in the middle of an episode like ads

[carmine grove]

chat is this true

[exotic dome]

that sounds peak i'll be watching that after sopranos

[rapid nova]

oh wow team cherry yet another villian that is a goddess in which followers sealed/imprisoned her away in some sense in which created something that makes bugs kill other bugs

[orchid spruce]

i put my sweat and heart into this meaningless numericalslop

[rapid nova]

if we get a hk three i FUCKING expect for that trope to stop existing upon the main villians

[eager elm]

Double homicide

[eager elm]

don't forget it's imprisoned by three keys that are all vulnerable

[rapid nova]

hmm

seems familar but i dont know how

[graceful oyster]

Looks very thought out

I hope you didn't manually calculate everything

[long verge]

hornet scales to quasar level CONFIRMED

[graceful oyster]

Spreadsheets excel at doing that for you

[spark relic]

Well it's a sequel so you should expect the themes to be similar to some degree

[odd hull]

damn double click emotes

[spark relic]

Fr 😭

[long verge]

Send him to the ducts

I’m unfamiliar

What happened

[spark relic]

Mightve deleted their message

[timid plinth]

is sea of sorrow out yet

it has been 50 years

[azure pewter]

fr

hopefully it comes out soon

[long verge]

There are seven seas

So it will take 70

[round creek]

What would happen if a flea forgets to wear a helmet in flea bounce

[azure pewter]

then they might get a concussion

😭

[light swan]

im surprised mio is so much higher than everytbing else and the “other gameplay aspects” is so high

i feel like this sheet heavily favors well rounded games over games that have one specific niche

while games that try to only do one thing are often the best (nine sols, afterimage) in my personal opinion, maybe you prefer well roundedness more

actually yea this is definitely a taste/preference difference lol, i’d MUCH prefer something thats good at one thing rather than something that’s good at everything

mainly addressing the bigass gap between nine sols and mio since nine sols falls under the niche imo and feels like it’s not getting justice here because it doesn’t focus on exploration or platforming

[rocky jolt]

actual eye poison bro

[main urchin]

Caine Bubble

[heady iron]

Baine

No one cared who I was until I put on the hat

[lofty kraken]

Has anyone ever seen the mask shard skip in blasted steps

[carmine grove]

@light swan i got my eyes on the mio but didnt try it yet. How is the combat?

[quartz cave]

lego artemis done!!! its peak

[graceful oyster]

It's very good, fluid, often aerial. "Charm" system is very fun to play around with.

Movement abilities for traversal play really well for fights too

[light swan]

i personally think it’s my favorite metroidvania combat system of all time, im absolutely in love with it

but i know a lot of people don’t share that sentiment

for most people it’s fun but nothing extraordinary

[carmine grove]

got deflects, parries or perfect dodges?

[light swan]

there’s parries but the game isnt a parry game

[carmine grove]

man did hollow knight inspire people with that charm system right?

[light swan]

so there’s no perfect parries or deflects

[graceful oyster]

Hollow Knight wasn't the first to have modifications

[light swan]

or anything super parry focused

[carmine grove]

you know what i mean

[graceful oyster]

I do

[quartz cave]

OH MY GOD
OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDD

[light swan]

parrying in mio is generally not as much of a main focus as nine sols or sekiro for example

[quartz cave]

HOUSE GOT A CASE OF LUPUS

[light swan]

i do think mio’s parry is pretty well designed / balanced

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/house-house-md-murder-lupus-gif-6955091101110819613

[graceful oyster]

I disagree I think it doesn't belong

It's too strong

[carmine grove]

yeah i just like to have an option, evading most of the time with jumps like in hollow knight aint too much for my liking

[graceful oyster]

But it's fine

That's a personal preference

[light swan]

all parries are too strong, it’s balanced by the fact that it has a different timing in that you need to know you’ll parry before you parry

the cooldown is pretty harsh, you can’t really spam it

and there are generally better options from parrying

[graceful oyster]

Pin

[light swan]

but it’s there as an option for ppl like necrocybermancer

[waxen remnant]

people who have played silksong, and believed turning back from a fight after you have failed it countless times like the high halls gauntlet to get stronger with needle upgrades and hunter crest evolution counted as "cheating" the game. Why?

[graceful oyster]

What

[light swan]

did i say that mio parries are very helpful towards movement and really important in platforming at certain areas

cuz thats a thing that exists

[graceful oyster]

If anyone calls that cheating they're insecure or just joking, and in any case, not worth listening to

[light swan]

mio’s parry does lack the same amount of clanging sound design or effects compared to other parries like nine sols or blasphemous

[ruby dune]

says who?

[graceful oyster]

I have never heard anyone say that

[carmine grove]

anyway thanks for answers, ill consider getting mio

[light swan]

since it’s more of a teleport/spot dodge

[waxen remnant]

I have been around twitch streamers in silksong a lot lately, and many of them think that way for some reason

[light swan]

i personally care less about that since i take things from a game design standpoint rather than a feels standpoint

[graceful oyster]

Twitch

[ruby dune]

yeah i think i know why

[light swan]

but that may matter to a parryhead

[carmine grove]

there are many people who likes to push their niche/weird/gatekeeping opinion on others, i would suggest not bothering with them and having fun

[waxen remnant]

oh i am not mad. I want to know what piece of psychology led to that opinion in the first place

Me like thinking about small details like this

[carmine grove]

like i for example play elden ring without ashes or online summons, but would never tell anyone to do the same and abide to my rules

[carmine grove]

oh yeah i get it

i quess the logic is that you are presented with challenge and instead of adapting to it you are bruteforcing it through gear

[waxen remnant]

because the way I saw silksong was just "struggling? go and get stronger" boom. MILLION DOLLAR solution. Its a metroidvania. You can explore to get stronger. Game's difficulty balance is..it being a metroidvania

[carmine grove]

yeah there are different ways to approach problem. i like bashing head against the wall sometimes, makes me feel like a triumphant underdog

"oh the game clearly wants me to come back later... im spending the next hour on this enemy so i get trinket now and the next easy area is even easier"

[waxen remnant]

and then the next easy area is not easier

[carmine grove]

and the trinket is borderline useless for my build haha

[heady iron]

No parry sound has reached the peak of sekiro's

[solar dune]

how 2 beat clover dancers

[graceful oyster]

I like doing things like bossfights when they're really hard, so as long as I feel like I have all necessary abilities, I do bossfights when I find them

[heady iron]

Dopamine clang

[waxen remnant]

seriously this is just one of those opinions that feel...almost dumb to me. I have done silksong with no needle upgrades and all that. But many of us do that because the base game just got too easy. We got too good. There is just..no real reason for a first playthrough player to do that if they are struggling already

[carmine grove]

well it usually is because the enemy if the game wants me to come back then enemy is harder than area

[light swan]

i do not have this opinion but if i had to guess

[carmine grove]

yeah people do like different things, nothing dumb about it, i just explained the feeling

[waxen remnant]

I think its kinda similar to how people approach hk. I mean they can do whatever they want with no upgrades and all that bs on earlier bosses. I just tell them one line "go and beat the pantheons and pure vessel"

[light swan]

people have in their mind an idea of the “intended” time to get to things

as such, leaving and finding more gear feels like youre deviating from the intended time to fight

[waxen remnant]

yee there is nothing dumb about it. Just those people also coincidentally end up becoming the people who hate the game cuz its "too hard"

[carmine grove]

well i hope you are doing that only to arrogant ones and not to those who shares their achievements

[carmine grove]

oh yeah thats valid

[light swan]

another thing, something i’ve fallen victim to myself, is when i’m struggling on something and i know i can do it

[brave geyser]

Perfect start

[light swan]

so it feels like a disservice to myself to go out and find more stuff when i could do it now with a bit more time

[brave geyser]

and just as i take a screenshot the other bell beast is out already
W

[waxen remnant]

ye that line. That is the line between frustration, boredom and flow. That point where you know you can do it is where you are literally ON the line of flow and frustration. At that point its fair to try again because you are actually having fun too to an extent. But I am referring to people who are DEEP into the frustration region but keep going

[light swan]

i mean you can be deluded and THINK you can do it when you actually cant

[waxen remnant]

like someone thinking they can beat high halls cuz they can reach the first choir clapper

[light swan]

people who have 0 fun, conplete frustration, but think they can do it now

and think that they should do it now otherwise they’re disrespecting themselves

[waxen remnant]

and the thing is like those people feel the most insecure. They keep chanting things like "I know I am bad at the game" but if I am thinking from my side. If you are bad at the game, won't it be second nature to try to get everything max then?

why do people who think they are bad are the ones who bash their head the hardest?

[light swan]

it’s the idea that “i know im bad so i’ll do this to prove to myself that i’m good” maybe?

[lavish apex]

illusion would you say you've played a game that does parries well

sorry to change the subject

[queen acorn]

parries suck we should fight bosses bare handed

[light swan]

or like “i know i suck so that makes it alright for me to be this frustrated but i can do it de”

[light swan]

nope

people say sekiro is the best parry game so that’s why i want to play it

to see if it’s possible to make a game do parries well

[waxen remnant]

maybe? I think I don't resonate with that because I have finished celeste and faced more than 30k deaths. To me when someone does shit like that, its not impressive. Its just me watching someone ruining an experience which could have been life changing for them by imposing artificial difficulty. It is great if others find it cool though

[queen acorn]

this implies parryslop

[light swan]

that being said, i do think UC is done well

[lavish apex]

interesting

[light swan]

unfortunately it’s a mid-lategame ability in nine sols and doesnt forgive the rest of the parries

[queen acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992118472907698269/1445811480749412423/Untitled_12.gif

[light swan]

UC is the only good parry

[rough anvil]

What

[lavish apex]

tbf i mean like
not as the main defensive option

[queen acorn]

haiaiiii

[rough anvil]

Are there parries in nine sols

[lavish apex]

just a game that has one

[rough anvil]

[lavish apex]

nine sols is parries

[queen acorn]

hehehe

[light swan]

mio id say has a good parry but i still dislike it for all the reasons i dislike parries

[carmine grove]

why not both

[queen acorn]

cz i suck at parries

[light swan]

cross stitch is would be a good parry if the buff got reverted but i’d still dislike it

[waxen remnant]

then do it until you don't suck

[queen acorn]

im not grinding for i frames imma play the game

[carmine grove]

its just a matter of practice

[light swan]

no, go and explore

[rough anvil]

Buff rune rage i love rune rage

[carmine grove]

depending on the game

[waxen remnant]

oh I am talking about cross stitch usage

[queen acorn]

true

[waxen remnant]

and nine sols parries

[waxen remnant]

if they just even SLIGHTLY shorten the cast time of rune rage, I might actually use it

[lavish apex]

what are the requirements for a game doing parries well

[rough anvil]

Carol whats your favorite crest

[light swan]

@lavish apex by “does parries well” do tou mean a parry that is good even if i don’t like it or a parry i like

[light swan]

no idea, my problem is in the fundamental concept of parries existing

[queen acorn]

witch or hunter

[rough anvil]

I want the runes to try to be more accurate

[queen acorn]

i use hunter a bit more

[light swan]

if i had to tjink tho

[queen acorn]

cz im not good enough to do the bootytickle tech with witch

[rough anvil]

THE WHAT

[carmine grove]

for me the first is readable animations. i had the worst time in lies of p because of those twitchy movement

[lavish apex]

a game with some iteration of the mechanic that you think doesn't detract from the design in any way

[graceful oyster]

Have you considered that parrying is fun

[light swan]

i dont find it fun, nothing against those who do

[queen acorn]

@light swan

show the wich tech

witch

[queen acorn]

thats so me holy shit

[light swan]

something that can and should only be used on specific attacks, have nuance to using it (such as resource management or needing to be charged) and balances risk vs reward well

[lavish apex]

me personally i think i have played more games that have parries that i like than games that have parries that i don't like

[queen acorn]

yk

hornet 2 did parries perfectly

[rough anvil]

Waht

[lavish apex]

but i agree with the idea of them being bad when they're mostly forced on you as the main defensive option

[light swan]

also, having other things that make it interesting

[lavish apex]

for everything

[rough anvil]

We need a game where we see what the fuck the hollow knight does after embrace the void besides behead hornet

[light swan]

such as mio parry’s interaction with another ability

[carmine grove]

wait fundamental concept of parries is dope af - offense mixed with offense. in elden ring you can evade for some times and actual progress in fight is only done when you attack boss who is in recovery animation. in sekiro you can defend for a minute and do some good progress

[light swan]

or UC’s interaction with unbounded counter

wtf did i jut say

UC’s interaction eith internal damage

[graceful oyster]

Unbounded Counter's interaction with Unbounded Counter

[light swan]

haven’t played elden ring or sekiro, can’t speak on those

[carmine grove]

dark souls series?

[light swan]

it doesn’t have to be forced

[queen acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/phantom-silksong-hollow-they-them-gif-9035642985040867451

[light swan]

haven’t played

[light swan]

mio’s parry isnt forced, i still dislike it

[carmine grove]

why not give it a try

[queen acorn]

cz its mio

[light swan]

blasphemous parries arent forced, i still dislike those

[light swan]

i have a lot of games to get through first

sekiro is on that list

[rough anvil]

How to play mio

[light swan]

i would if i had the time to play all these games tho

[odd hull]

Hmmm, reminds me of Bloodstained. I think it does some of that well

[lavish apex]

blasphemous parries are unspammable

[light swan]

i think the best part about a parry like cross stitch is that it rewards aggression

[carmine grove]

whats next? if you gonna start souls series, makes sure to start with ds1, going from newer to older games is hard

[carmine grove]

true

[light swan]

after i finish my replay of nine sols i’ll finish rain world

and then idk, likely bo or sekiro

[carmine grove]

add sifu to the list, amazing game

[light swan]

so many games 😭 thanks for the rec tho

[light swan]

well, more like warding bell parries

[queen acorn]

mrreow...

[woeful matrix]

play the moby game

[carmine grove]

i feel the same about anime, i got several hundred titles to watch and im still gaming!!!!

[queen acorn]

play my game

im slenderman find my pages

[lavish apex]

i think cross stitch does it well

[queen acorn]

true

[waxen remnant]

aand the WHOLE of karmellita fight

parrying the sickles feels amazing

[light swan]

if warding bell parries were to be a more intended, mainstream mechanic i’d be ok with it

like UC

[lavish apex]

silksong parries are very different from what we're talking about i think

[queen acorn]

see like

[lavish apex]

like needle parries i mean

[queen acorn]

the issue with this is that its not

[light swan]

but i think the problem with bell is also that it’s still a press button > instantly survive

[lavish apex]

not cross stitch

[light swan]

mio parry you need to press in advance, UC uou need to charge in advance

[queen acorn]

parryslop

[light swan]

those turn the depth from a get out of jail free card into a conscious action

[lavish apex]

i mean needing to burn half of your fully upgraded resource bar is a pretty badly weighted tradeoff for this

[light swan]

that has more nuance than press button to live

[light swan]

yea, im mainly discussing the physical action part of it

ultimately while it’s balanced it’s still press button to live

[lavish apex]

technically everything is press button to live

[queen acorn]

for

cz like cross stitch is press and live if you actually time it

[lavish apex]

although usually directions are involved

[queen acorn]

i know jack shti about any other parry

but id assume itd be the same

[light swan]

theyre still parries and im honestly not too opposed to them because they can only be used on specific attacks and have nuance (direction yiu attack for example)

the problem is that it’s all risk and no reward, youre way better off just dodging

[queen acorn]

not always better off

[light swan]

yea, but things can still be more interesting than that

hairpin for example interacts with mocement

so does things like shade dash

while also combining with directions, yes

pogo iframes require you to hit the enemy

[zealous nimbus]

Chatters what’s the save file directory

[carmine grove]

wait so silksong got parries? maybe i should pick it up (dont ask what im doing here)

[light swan]

outside of iframes, everything else always has some kind of added nuance usually in mocement

[carmine grove]

or i guess i wait for this dlc

sea of sorrow

[light swan]

you can attack enemy attacks to parry them

[lavish apex]

would you say ddark is a parry?

or no because of the high startup

[light swan]

i do it a bit in this video

[light swan]

it’s hard to say what is and isnt a parry but i’d say no because of how it interacts with mocement

[carmine grove]

just like in og or do you get something from it? hk parries are kinda just a not super reliable defense tool

[light swan]

like in og mostly

[carmine grove]

holy damn she is slicing fast

[light swan]

it’s not identical but i don’t know enough details

[brave geyser]

Wow double bell beast is hard
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/592273977137692683/1495639254020395008/IMG__.jpg?ex=69e6fa19&is=69e5a899&hm=6707ca9114a97f8bce593d2fa51c36171f7a8ccc56d413c2b04f84d1a2adfb57&

[carmine grove]

thats not the hornet i remember haha

[light swan]

this begs the question, is a spot dodge a parry

i think it depends more on the timing aspect in that case

while spot dodges are timing based they aren’t as timing based as id consider parries

[lavish apex]

i mean mio dodge absolutely is i think

[carmine grove]

in my opinion parry is a deliberate action with heavy timings, and deflect is more of a defense tool with bonus, guarding just in time if you will. dark souls parry vs sekiro deflect
the line is blurry but i like to have it

[light swan]

and startup doesn’t matter to me because mio parry and UC have startups

[light swan]

yea, but that’s more of a parry than a spot dodge

[zealous nimbus]

i wanna dupe my file so i can have a 100% act 2 file and a 100% act 3 file

[light swan]

there’s not a clear line, like 20 frames of invincibility or smth, just how it feels to use ig

i’d consider something like swapping between pyra and mythra in SSBU to be a parry tbh

or at least it can be used likr a parry

[carmine grove]

idk what this dodge is but dodge is usually not a parry since a fail sometimes can still save you via repositioning. its probably a "perfect dodge" type of thing

[light swan]

deflect to me is just a parry that sends their attack back at them

[light swan]

spot dodge is like

[zealous nimbus]

ehhhhhhhhhhh the game has too literal parry mechanics and that isn't one of them

[light swan]

https://tenor.com/view/super-smash-bros-smash-brawl-king-dedede-gif-2890562397899472605

[carmine grove]

but its parry that does that, deflect lets enemy continue onslaught

[zealous nimbus]

parrying with the shield and moves that counter

[light swan]

notice their extended amount of iframes when they flash

[carmine grove]

im not familiar with the game so its hard to understand the reference

[light swan]

thats a spot dodge

[light swan]

the literal parry mechanics are parries yes, but swapping on aegis falls under my definition

[carmine grove]

so they mostly stay in place and become invulnerable for split second?

[light swan]

yes but it’s longer than a split second

[zealous nimbus]

well technically you counterattack rather than send the attack back

but ye

[light swan]

i guess but in my books deflects are all parries

[carmine grove]

well mechanically if you will, i mostly refer to dark souls parry because i think its the most popular thing when it comes to word PARRY

[light swan]

as long as it’s a button you need to time while pretth much still to avoid damage

for example, pressing attack when an enemy presses atyack to parry in silksong

pressing the parry button when you’re about to get hit to parry jt in nine sols

[quartz cave]

Chat what fictional character should i add next to my tomodachi island

[carmine grove]

but again the line is blurry, at the end of the day you need to press input some time before before enemy attacks to get some kind of upper hand and negate damage

[light swan]

press the parry button a split second before youre about to get hit to parry it in mio

[carmine grove]

walter white

[light swan]

hold parry and release it when you’re about to get hit in nine sols (again)

swap between pyra and mythra whe youre about to get hit in ssbu

[light swan]

those all fall under my definition

[quartz cave]

I think yendo talking about depressed bisexual men with House MD is funnier than walter white sorry

[void moat]

i agree

god they fucked yenndo over so hard in help wanted

[green flame]

guys it cant just be me who thinks clover dancers are too easy like its just cog dancers but green

palestag was harder

[void moat]

chuddified him

look at his FEET 😭

[quartz cave]

What the FUCK is that

Actually who the fuck is yendo in the first place

He aint even yellow!!!!

[void moat]

loreless funtime freddy endoskeleton, maybe connected to golden freddy

[void moat]

he has yellow eyes

[light swan]

anyway @lavish apex ultimate way to make a good parry is UC but you can only do it against crimson attacks and all other forms of parry are removed, and other forms of avoiding attacks are added

[void moat]

biggest downgrade of all time

[quartz cave]

Yeah but he himself isnt yellow

[carmine grove]

i think thats kind of rare, the most fitting i remember is avoid move from sifu. you press input (up or down), if enemy attack is the same direction - no damage, get some focus. another good alternative to this dodge problem i mentioned before, because you get resource - focus, lets you do a special powerful move. let me find a vid to illustrate...

[void moat]

true he’s very wack

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/hucklerobby-dennis-whitaker-whitaker-the-pitt-the-pitt-whitaker-gif-3784490168753482067

Good night homosexuals

[harsh yarrow]

Fun developments for Silksoul

[void moat]

so geeked

[harsh yarrow]

Gurr is now an actual character

[still osprey]

You say this like there was anything to downgrade in the first place 😭 🙏

[graceful oyster]

This is ass

[void moat]

bro hes goated in sister location

look at this comparison bro

locked in vs geeked

[still osprey]

He does NOTHING!!!!!

[void moat]

he does EVERYTHING you just dont appreciate him enough to see how much he does

[light swan]

how come

[quartz cave]

NO ONE wants to FALL IN LOVE

[graceful oyster]

I like UC as is

[void moat]

off the yenndo topic though i wish we got to see more ennard animations in sl, we only get two real ones and theyre so good

[quartz cave]

Peter and johnn dont even wanna be friends

[graceful oyster]

If anything just find a way to nerf normal parry

[quartz cave]

House stalks Wiilson but never asks him out

[still osprey]

Ennard in general feels so underutilized as a concept

[quartz cave]

Literally NO ONE wants to be GAY what the fuck ks wrong with my island

[still osprey]

I guess there's molten freddy and scrap baby but

[lavish apex]

i think quite simply just like

regularly force other responses

and they're fine

[quartz cave]

The issue with parries is that theyre made too strong one button solutions

Make em more complex imo

[void moat]

two amazing renders i wish we got more

[quartz cave]

First of all having every attack be parriable is already a no

[void moat]

theyre supposed to be animated idk why theyre not but they are

mmm

[quartz cave]

Do something like in GoW or prince of persia the lost crown where some are and others arent

[carmine grove]

@light swani sent example in dms if you are interested

[void moat]

but yeah ennard is great i wish he was utilized more

[carmine grove]

no way

[quartz cave]

The wonders of tomodachi life

[light swan]

i’ve seen videos where everytbing gets UCed

[carmine grove]

what is this thing everyone talks about these days

[light swan]

i dont like that, thats exactly the problem i have witj regular parries

[quartz cave]

You do not know the joys of tomodachi????

[void moat]

oh artemis if you finish the yenndo mii could you ping me with it i think itd be funny

[light swan]

“fine” at a bare minimum maybe, but it’s still held back from being good

[quartz cave]

If i find out someone that has already done something similar enough cause i cant draw for shit

[carmine grove]

no, absolutely zero clue. something like wii social game or this animal crossing game?

[light swan]

i personally want the nuance that i’ve been talking about

thats just me tho, everyone knows i like complicated systems

[quartz cave]

Its a funky game about an island where every resident is a mii

[graceful oyster]

You can do more damage if you don't do that, it's just safe and also does damage

[light swan]

it’s an option that persists

[carmine grove]

well you trade less variety (works with most attacks) for harder timing, is it too bad?

[graceful oyster]

It's also more fun to sub in UC where normal parries work to get the extra damage

[light swan]

you and i have different opinions on parries anyway and it’s clear

[graceful oyster]

Hairpin is just as broken and repetitive

[quartz cave]

Just a few i could find from the little time ive been playing

[carmine grove]

like its not that easy to uc everything

[light swan]

it interacts with movement

[carmine grove]

console?

[quartz cave]

Switch and switch 2

With a prequel on the 3ds

[carmine grove]

oh i see, dont have those

[light swan]

at some point you’ll have to factor in risk vs reward

if it’s all risk and a bit of reward it’ll not be good in my eyes

for example, silksong/hk parries

[void moat]

the tomodachi life customization is really fun ive seen so much stupid things

[light swan]

also, i don’t really understand the video you sent me lol

[light swan]

im not gonna try and convince other people that parries are bad

[carmine grove]

100% true about hk, but ns uc is higher risk (gotta charge it not too early because limited duration, not too alte or you gonna get hit, harder timings), higher reward (internal damage), compare vs regular once where you just press button (can spam too), perfect - get qi, bad - some internal damage, too bad - hit.

maybe i misunderstood you

[light swan]

bad - get qi and some internal damage

you still get qi

[carmine grove]

oh yeah, what i mean that its balance no?

[quartz cave]

https://x.com/i/status/2045779992374653176

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This game is peak

[carmine grove]

both uses are good, both have their own perks

[light swan]

well i dont tjink imperfect parries should give qi

[carmine grove]

btw one thing uc do have over regular ones is that uc is multidirectional

[carmine grove]

maybe so, its just that you typed a comment where someone ucd everything and im trying understand why thats a problem

[carmine grove]

maybe i should steal this console and also join the hype

[light swan]

it’s a personal thing that doesn have to do eith balance, but i dont like the idea that every single attack and all it’s varied ways of reacting is answered with the same thing

you just stand still and UC everytbing it’s so boring

and that’s my problem with all parries

the fact that you can just parry everytbing makes things so much more boring

like you have like 15 different unique boss attacks and all of them can be answered by UC

if parries interacted with mocement (more than just knockback) they’d be infinitely cooler to be tbh i don’t know why, they just would

[carmine grove]

mmm yeah i guess i can see that.
feels really damn good though when you pull it off, looks boring but plays nice

[light swan]

well yea thats why other people like parries

[carmine grove]

youll like sekiro then, cant asnwer to everything with one thing

[hoary wadi]

Does anyone know the exact date of sea of sorrow dlc

[light swan]

again, im not gonna try and convince people that all parries are bad lol

[carmine grove]

gonna jump, gonna mikiri, gonna deflect, rarely dodge

[odd hull]

no.

[light swan]

hopefully

that’s why i wanna play sekiro

[carmine grove]

nah its fine, we are being civil about it

[light swan]

like i vehemently believe it but i won’t make others believe it because i know how fun it can be to other people

and i’m completely ok with others loving parries, i just personally dont lol

[little fractal]

A parry discussion, you don't see that every day

[carmine grove]

deflects in that case

[light swan]

i still think that all parries are bad except UC which is only bad at the high level

[carmine grove]

if you care about difference

[light swan]

it’s not necessarily only difference

i dislike cross stitch in siljsong for example

[little fractal]

Oh

[carmine grove]

im parrying that sentiment with "its dope" notion, better luck next time

[light swan]

it is indeed dope

[little fractal]

Honestly that's fair
It's a billion times worse than ddark and it's still so dumb

[carmine grove]

ddark is the vid with penguin you sent?

[little fractal]

What

[carmine grove]

oh it was illusion

[bronze trellis]

Yep

[carmine grove]

mmhmm

[light swan]

ddark is descending dark in hollow knight

[carmine grove]

oh i see

[little fractal]

What is it you dislike about parries tho?

[light swan]

i don’t know if i could list it all here because my hatred for parries go very very deep

[little fractal]

I mean
In general why

[carmine grove]

alright about sifu video, you sent me this video with a example of spot dodge or how is it called, i said thats the only similar thing i know is avoid in sifu. in video i sent you enemy strikes mc, if you press correct direction (up or down) plus block button you avoid strike

negate damage, get focus, oh and i forgot - you get some time slow for almost guaranteed counterattack

[little fractal]

My hatred for flukefies goes very deep but I can tell you quickly that their ai is so stupid and full of jank to do r04 flukemarm (a stupid flukemarm challenge)

[kind tide]

Damn thats CRAAAYYYYZZZZEEEEE

[carmine grove]

wait now that i talked to you its more that you hate design philosophy where parry is universal answer then a tool itself

[light swan]

• i dont like the idea of attacks just being conpletely nullified
• i like variation in reactions to attacks
• it’s just super boring to me, pressing 1 button to get away scot free
• i often see parry players stand in front of the boss and just press a button, thats so lame

[carmine grove]

are you being sarcastic?

[light swan]

there’s probably more but i don’t wanna think too deeply rn

[light swan]

i still dislike parries when they’re not universal answers

mio parry for example, or cross stitch in siljsong

but generally, not being universal helps A LOT

[little fractal]

Ohhh ok I see
I haven't tapped in Silksong enough to see this ngl

[carmine grove]

dodges are universal answer almost everywhere btw, negates damage too

[light swan]

UC is only brought down when it’s a universal answer

[light swan]

as in, moving out of the way?

[carmine grove]

nah, i mean dodge move

moving out of the way is kind of integral thing, cant talk shit about it

[light swan]

im referring to game design in general rather than silksong specifically

[little fractal]

Ahh I ser

[light swan]

what kind of dodges are you talking about

[little fractal]

Well in HK the parries are so underdeveloped that they're only a tool to look cool

They're not even worth going for most of the time

[carmine grove]

when you press a button and your character makes a dash that has i frames. ns dash, hk dash

[light swan]

high risk low reward, not a very good gameplay mechanic

[light swan]

yea i agree with you but those interact with movement

[undone gate]

Like in Silksong even if they aren't too practical you get a decent amount of them accidentally

[light swan]

and movement makes things already way more interesting

[carmine grove]

they do but its i frames that is most useful, "dash" would still be useful even if you stayed in place

[little fractal]

I mean in HK as well
But just accidentally getting a parry that doesn't even act as a parry (you're not actually parrying anything) doesn't really count

[light swan]

if you stayed in place i would like it a lot less

[little fractal]

Yeah I agree
But this is for the completely opposite reason you generally hate parries

[undone gate]

In Movement you have an added element of positioning while for Parrying it's just timings I do like parries but I like Movement more

[little fractal]

Ddark

[light swan]

yea pretth much

now dont get me wrong i still can enjoy parries i just hate the concept of them btw y’all

[carmine grove]

what im saying is that tool you like benefits mostly in another way that you like. if you time it properly dash positioning is less important, aside from beam attacks i guess

[light swan]

like i still use them in combat teluctantly

and the “dope” factor still exists

[carmine grove]

nah man im gonna take it personally and make a scene

[little fractal]

Have you seen Pale Shadow or Mystic Ze'mer? They're modded Hollow Knight fights

[light swan]

but the element of positioning adds a lot even if the action is still fundamentally iframes

[undone gate]

Is Pale Shadow the easier vertion of Boundless Infinity

[carmine grove]

maybe not that much you want to think it does mmm

[light swan]

moving around feels way better than staying still and parrying

[carmine grove]

maybe you actually like it thematically and not mechanically

[little fractal]

I mean kinda? They're not really the same fight.
Still Binf is not something I should bring up since that fight is parryslop

[light swan]

infract most of my problems with parries is that you just stand still and parry

i do kind of enjoy parries where you go flying afterwards but those are rare

[little fractal]

(I don't say that to say the fight sucks, just that it's reliant on parries as a concept)

[unkempt minnow]

Wait which ones harder lost lace or absrad

[carmine grove]

have you ever saw fate stay night fight?

[light swan]

i’ve seen them but i haven’t played nor do i know much about them

[undone gate]

I have tried Boundless Infinity and the boss is insane I didn't reach the spike floor phace in 3 hours of attempts

[light swan]

no

[undone gate]

AbsRad because of also having to deal with Platforms

[carmine grove]

https://youtu.be/8Uec_1h0BVk?si=5JdxzoXVA_NjdCsh

[light swan]

like there’s a way to move around during mio’s parry (it’s actually an important part of movement)

[carmine grove]

from a logical perspective its a complete bogus, but looks pretty cool

[light swan]

and i already like jt a lot more

[carmine grove]

when i stand in one place and parry all attacks - thats how it feels

pretty cool

[light swan]

adding mocement in adds so much positioning esp after the parry

[carmine grove]

hmmm maybe i should watch the anime

[little fractal]

Well, they are fights that incorporate parry as a tool rather than a necessity or a get out of jail free card

[light swan]

no play more games

[carmine grove]

noooo my backlog will never get thinner

i already have like million titles

[unkempt minnow]

Oh yeah

[little fractal]

For example, Ze'mer jump swirl can be dodged with just 1 parry, but you actually need to take positioning into account.

A bad position will make the fight a whole lot harder

[light swan]

i do know i need to play more games witj parries

[carmine grove]

do that! now!

[light swan]

but the ones i’ve played kinda dont have good parries except for UC

[carmine grove]

SEKIRO!!!

[carmine grove]

wait you said uc is bad

[light swan]

at the top level where you UC everytbing

otherwise UC is one of my favorite game mechanics of all time

[carmine grove]

actually you can also like not equip that jade and not uc everything

[undone gate]

That's pretty cool I have only fought normal Ze'mer till now

[light swan]

i tjink you can still UC everything jadeless

[carmine grove]

get this one that damages you on precise parry and the one that returns internal damage on UC

[carmine grove]

but not consecutively

[light swan]

yea, but a lot of things are still UC able

[undone gate]

I don't think you can UC all of Egg sword triple poke and sword waves and triple slash without the UC jade

[little fractal]

Same with PS fast trips
You can ease the parry timings with a good position

[carmine grove]

well its not biggie if you uc a first attack out of 3 or 5

[light swan]

like only in air parries and really fast triple parries can you not UC

but i’ve seen people find UC timings in the craziest places

[carmine grove]

oh no spoilers btw pls i still gotta get to that bitch

almost done with the game

[undone gate]

UC is really broken

[carmine grove]

anyway you are all wrong, parries is love deflects is life movements is for NERDS

[undone gate]

It deals internal damage to enemies, is more lenient than perfect parries and is uni directional

[carmine grove]

uc is divine blessing

[light swan]

you can maybe UC 3 attacks out of 5

you can UC between egg’s pokes and slashes

just not her triple poke or other triple parries

[carmine grove]

alright ill finish the game and we'll see

[light swan]

how far are you

[carmine grove]

remember old boy style corridor fight? there

[undone gate]

You mean the long hallway of mutant enemies

[carmine grove]

i think so, regular soldiers too. the one where UI disappears

[graceful oyster]

(NINE SOLS FINAL BOSS)

[carmine grove]

thanks for marking it ☺️

[light swan]

precisely

[twin summit]

this is like, the 50th time ive seen someone post the 9 sols final boss

[light swan]

exactly what i mean

[undone gate]

Removing the UI is actually just insane I don't know how I will finish it in my Nine Sols Upgradeless Run

[graceful oyster]

It might be good

[light swan]

it’s. a good boss

bro wifi is making me look like i stole grynne’s message

i swear i sent that before grynne

[twin summit]

110 results for nine sols final boss

[carmine grove]

man idk how you do those runs, i would get bored.
yeah funny enough i almost died in this fight even tho ui aint that important

[carmine grove]

fraud confirmed

[undone gate]

I played Nine Sols ages ago so I decided I would replay it doing a challange run to make it still challangeing

[clear pawn]

How many crits have you performed in a row?

[carmine grove]

i guess for you pure vessels the game is easy, i never beat pantheon

[clear pawn]

Me too

[light swan]

all of them

[little fractal]

I haven't played nine sols but I probably want to do some challenge whenever I do

[clear pawn]

Tf u mean all of em?

[light swan]

all of em

100% crit rate

[little fractal]

I played throughout all TE for silksong with only needle 2 and I still only had 3 bosses with more than 10 deaths

[undone gate]

Yea you should play Nine Sols it's such an amazing game

[little fractal]

Two of which, Beastfly and Moorwing, doesn't even have nail upgrades to begin with

[undone gate]

If your really good at HK you would obviously be really good at Silksong

[undone gate]

What was your most favorite boss in Silksong

[light swan]

my truth nuke gif isnt loading

https://tenor.com/view/ss-sk-skong-silk-song-gif-6069929492524291916

[little fractal]

I mean kinda
I actually sucked at Moorwing and Beastfly because I was playing way too much like Hollow Knight

[carmine grove]

i love it

[light swan]

play like a silksonger embrace the animation cancels

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1481335365414424597/caption.3e6bea82.gif

[little fractal]

Originally it was First Sinner but I was enjoying Lace 2 a whole lot when I was trying to do hitless symphonies (silksong modded pantheons)

[carmine grove]

animations cancels?! oh my god are you even humans guys

[undone gate]

That makes sence I struggled a lot in Silksong I took 3 hours for Lost Lace

[little fractal]

I may or may not have 4th tried Lost Lace with needle 2 XD

[light swan]

to be fair it’s mostly just witch crest

[still osprey]

Lost Lace is so awesome I love Lost Lace

[undone gate]

Because you have beaten R5 your just really good at understanding boss attack pattern

[carmine grove]

smh

[little fractal]

Oh hey

[little fractal]

Yeah but I blame it on the fact it's Lace 3

[still osprey]

Hii

[undone gate]

Right now I try some mostly Itemless Silksong Bosses

[carmine grove]

maybe we should kill all these hardcore players

[still osprey]

I don't really know what else to do in silksong at this point tbh 🔥

I'm just waiting for sea of sorrow ig

[carmine grove]

play nine sols at that point

[little fractal]

Do RS4

[clear pawn]

Lmao

[undone gate]

I plan to do Itemless Tormented Trobbio and then Itemless Lost Lace after that maybe some randomizer runs

[still osprey]

Just beating it was enough I think

[undone gate]

What is RS4

[carmine grove]

with extreme prejudice, and illusion with parries specifically

[little fractal]

Beating S4?

[bronze oasis]

why is general chat dead

[carmine grove]

dead?!

[still osprey]

Yea, symphony 4, right?

[carmine grove]

now this looks like a job for me