sk-discussion

[opaque sigil]

it's 9s there's only so much you can do to fight the intended playstyle

[graceful oyster]

The concept is baffling

[orchid spruce]

honestly, any games won't be fun if you just stubbornly refuse to engage with its core-core mechanic

[lavish apex]

parries are in the description bro

[orchid spruce]

elite ball knowledge

[lavish apex]

it's probably like trying to play an average metroidvania without jumping

[graceful oyster]

Grape Nuts is such an underrated cereal

[analog mist]

why is runt kinda cute

like

baby

[rocky jolt]

so nine sols is basically cross stitch madness mod

nine cross stitches

[orchid spruce]

hang on, i want to introduce illusion to this "tech"

[graceful oyster]

Parrying itself doesn't get you anywhere

[orchid spruce]

i think he'll like it

[rocky jolt]

what it do then

[graceful oyster]

Prevents damage and gives you silk

[light swan]

whats the tech

[orchid spruce]

im booting up the game

[graceful oyster]

You can use silk to cast spells if you parry enough

[orchid spruce]

one sec

[graceful oyster]

Party lol

[orchid spruce]

TRUE

[rocky jolt]

thats tuff

[light swan]

are we serious rn this guy hits behind himself too

my bane

watcher of the edge type shit

[graceful oyster]

Strawberries are such a mid fruit

[light swan]

lace 2 type shit

[orchid spruce]

OMG, WTF

[light swan]

dont you dare

[hybrid flare]

is dodge only 9s possible

[light swan]

||fusang are the primordial roots right||

[orchid spruce]

I was so excited to first try strawberries as a kid (it was kinda luxury) and was so disappointed

it was so... mid

[hybrid flare]

one thing i like is that ns's story is laid out very well you can actually comprehend what's happening

[light swan]

i didnt comprehend shit on my first playthrough

[hybrid flare]

thats on you

[light swan]

yea it is

[orchid spruce]

how bro, the story is in your face every second

[light swan]

i think i had to watch a lore video to find out there was a virus

[hybrid flare]

I mean at the start they just namedrop you a bunch of shit but end up somewhat explaining it later

[orchid spruce]

nine sols is the only game i didn't bother to watch a lore vid bc i understood everything

[hybrid flare]

TC... i remember your blackwyrms...

[graceful oyster]

I don't watch lore vids I just obtain understanding

[light swan]

i knew the general plot

but im just getting a whole bunch of buzzwords shoved into my face

[hybrid flare]

imagine the battle of blackwyrm is a massive chekov's gun and it actually ends up being ultra important to the verse

[lavish apex]

afterimage intro

[hybrid flare]

It will NEVER happen

[orchid spruce]

@light swan ||jump after third slash to cancel stun|| (NINE SOLS)

[light swan]

afterimage's story was also confusing i think thats also my fualt tho

[hybrid flare]

techmaxxing

[light swan]

i already do that lol

[lavish apex]

i have reached an ending and i still have no idea what's going on

all the writing is so stilted and weird

[opaque sigil]

reaching an ending in afterimage is like reaching an area in a normal game

[light swan]

whats ruyi the voice of

[opaque sigil]

and yeah afterimage's writing is awkward I'd probably blame localization

[orchid spruce]

nine sols' writing is competent. maybe a little cramped at the end but that's it.

[lavish apex]

the intro just namedrops like 20 things

[graceful oyster]

You guys do a very good job of making me have no idea whether afterimage is bad or not

[light swan]

no but i understood the lore its just that

theres a whole bunch of words i just dont get

[lavish apex]

afterimage is

good

i think

idk

[opaque sigil]

Afterimage is. End of sentence

[lavish apex]

i'm ambivalent still

[orchid spruce]

i understood everything so i'm sure the writers allowed the player to understand it themselves through the context, etc instead of saying "X is Y, Z, etc"

[lavish apex]

i don't think i could call it bad

[light swan]

its bad, i just unfairly like it

[orchid spruce]

which I'd rather have instead of dumping

[light swan]

like by the end of the game i understood that everything was just xc3

[orchid spruce]

it's Very Positive on steam, i doubt it's bad

just not my cup of tea

[hybrid flare]

it can be bad compared to other stuff

[opaque sigil]

on paper basically every individual aspect of the game is bad in a vacuum but it combines well

[light swan]

you got mio and then you got origin

[hybrid flare]

i mean, it can be bad and you can like it

[light swan]

boom

[edgy patio]

yo what is the best mod that lets you do anything like basically cheats?

[orchid spruce]

i like water, it's so trash but i love it

[lavish apex]

i think the exploration is mostly good

[orchid spruce]

idk what i'm saying atp tbh

[graceful oyster]

Every game can get very positive
Just look at how bad 9S is (the final boss specifically) and it got overwhelmingly positive!

[lavish apex]

most other things are like

[orchid spruce]

true...

[light swan]

yi is just noah but mean and heng is just mio but worse and everyone else is just moebius is all i understand

[stable pilot]

Debug?

[lavish apex]

mid

[hybrid flare]

yeah the final boss of 9s is dogshit

[hybrid flare]

mio... is a character..?

[orchid spruce]

it's just mid... not that bad

[hybrid flare]

shit i might be missing out

[orchid spruce]

bro, you control Mio

[lavish apex]

he's talking about xc3 mio

[edgy patio]

cool

[hybrid flare]

oh

[orchid spruce]

oh

[opaque sigil]

wrong mio

[lavish apex]

memories in orbit mio is pretty much not a character

[hybrid flare]

i thought i'd have another metroidvania with a protagonist that's an actual character... But that's too much to wish for, right?

i like those kinds of metroidvanias they're neat

[quartz cave]

Yammo im playing resident evil 4

[lavish apex]

i don't know why she's silent

she has no reason to be really

[quartz cave]

Is there a lore reason on why i suck at the game

[opaque sigil]

og or remake

[lavish apex]

like ati can talk

[quartz cave]

re4re

[light swan]

i think tianhuo is the biggest thing that separates 9s from xc3

[orchid spruce]

SPOILER

[hybrid flare]

NAMEDROP

[orchid spruce]

guys SPOILER

[opaque sigil]

either way

[light swan]

||eggnog is just zanza|| 9s or xenoblade spoilers

[hybrid flare]

Tianhuo avatar mogs eigong

[orchid spruce]

||Ati|| and ||Tianhuo||

[hybrid flare]

and lost jiequan is also a secret boss

[quartz cave]

Honestly im kinda dissapointed in the game

[lavish apex]

saying ati can talk isn't a spoiler?

[light swan]

those are names wtf do those spoil

[graceful oyster]

[orchid spruce]

GUYS SPOILER

[light swan]

tianhuyo is a thing that exists

[quartz cave]

The people here are xenophobic or something, they all went to bingo and didnt invite me

How rude is that!

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-buzz-lightyear-spoilers-spoilers-everywhere-woody-gif-26979715

[opaque sigil]

I can't believe you just missed the bingo minigame

[quartz cave]

One of them also tried to saw me in half with a chainsaw but thats reasonable enough

[light swan]

wtf is a fangshi

[lavish apex]

that's not a 3 character 😭

[light swan]

its related to the story tho

[graceful oyster]

||Jie vs Fangshi. Guilds iirc||

[safe knot]

Wait why dont hornet just leave at blasted steps?

[quartz gulch]

#off-topic exists

[light swan]

i would say that 9s is xenoblade as a whole but its specifically xc3

[opaque sigil]

if she leaves she'll just get hunted down again

[light swan]

but still has similarities with everything else

[quartz gulch]

Dude......she literally says why.

[orchid spruce]

it's an ingame word, you get ton of exposition in worldbuilding context to understand it later

[graceful oyster]

Just strike a silksong topic

[quartz cave]

Is there a lore reason why theres some rando patiently waiting outside an abandoned factory with a stack of guns and weapons and insists that i give him all of my money or ill die

[lavish apex]

if 9s is xc3 then i doubt i'll like that story

[safe knot]

O wait

[lavish apex]

[light swan]

youll like it better

[opaque sigil]

nothing to be concerned about he seems like a cool guy

[quartz cave]

I shall give him my money then

[orchid spruce]

yeah nine sols story is very mid

[safe knot]

Am stupidest person on this planet

[quartz gulch]

Buff (canon) Cornifer or Maid Zote (maybe canon)?

[light swan]

it doesnt have the flaws you dislike

[orchid spruce]

it's like act 3 but worse

[lavish apex]

i've heard nothing but praise for yi as a character

and i like a good protagonist

[orchid spruce]

that's all non-sense praise, he's a trashly written character

[lavish apex]

so i am looking forward to that

[shadow dune]

who drew that maid zote? It looks great :]

[light swan]

ive heard comparisons to xenogears too but i havebnt played xenogears

[opaque sigil]

speaking of good protagonists I should get around to replaying radiant historia

[hybrid flare]

it actually is kinda mid

[forest topaz]

Same brown is

[quartz cave]

I do see some shit from random re games every now and then online

[orchid spruce]

😠

[quartz cave]

Is it true that in the original theres a giantass statue that suddenly comes to life and chases you for no real reason and is it true they removed it on the remake

[orchid spruce]

it is my beloved midslop

[opaque sigil]

sort of, the statue is still there but it doesn't chase you

[lavish apex]

you just say words

[hybrid flare]

allat just for yi to unracist himself

[hybrid flare]

man thats mid writing

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-glorpshit-gif-8895203662174851858

[near geyser]

I just got thread storm and it was like a neuron turned on in my mind recognizing it from hk

[opaque sigil]

the remake removed a fair bit of filler

especially towards the end it really cleaned stuff up

[quartz cave]

Was there even a reason on why a giant statue can chase you on the first place anyway

[lavish apex]

afterimage has an extremely blatant hk shoutout which is pretty cool honestly

[opaque sigil]

no

[orchid spruce]

man, i don't want to talk about nine sols anymore if ppl just casually spoiler bomb like, i know it's not your favourite game so you don't really care that much, but it physically hurts my soul

[opaque sigil]

the og had a lot of random goofy stuff

[light swan]

did i spoilerbomb somewhere

[quartz cave]

Thats how i like my videogames i think we should bring the chase back

[quartz gulch]

Please go #off-topic if you want to discuss other games not made by Team Cherry.
@hybrid flare
@graceful oyster
@opaque sigil
@orchid spruce
(I know I didn't ping everyone talking about nine sols or MIO, but the spoilers really just suck.)

[opaque sigil]

you and many others

[orchid spruce]

not really bomb but small, minute spoilers that are unnecessary nevertheless

[graceful oyster]

Feel free to carry along in normal conversation with the rest of us

[light swan]

i dont get it wtf did i do

is saying "tianhuo" actually spoilers ????

[graceful oyster]

I don't think so

[light swan]

how the fuck does this mean anything

[opaque sigil]

the re4 remake being worse than the original re4 is not an uncommon take and while I don't agree with it I can get why, the vibe is different

[light swan]

outside of that i didnt say shit did i

[orchid spruce]

i was referring more to Nubbie

[lavish apex]

well comparing it to xc3

[quartz cave]

Resident evil would be a good game franchise if leon kennedykissed boys i thimk

[lavish apex]

when i have played xc3
and not 9s
is a little bit that

[balmy pumice]

wrong disscusion bro

These chats are never related to the game bro

[opaque sigil]

he doesn't but there are uh moments

[light swan]

thats fair and mb for that

[quartz cave]

This is kinda sk discussion it is silksong only about 45% of the time, and since theres currently no silksong convo happenning

[light swan]

i did spoil the more important stuff

which apparently you clciekd on

[quartz cave]

I shall invastigate these "moments"

[light swan]

comparing mio and heng isnt really spoilers since theyre both whitehaired catgirls who use flutes which you can tell from one look

i said moebius but in reality the game has nothing to do with moebius related topics

[quartz cave]

I want rerequiem so bad why does it cost a lung

[quartz gulch]

So imma just get spoiled because I didn't come up with a conversation topic that would engage everyone off-topic?

[opaque sigil]

aaa game moment

[light swan]

where did you get spoiled in these recent conversations

[quartz cave]

Im a major pussy whos never played horror games and it existing got me to play resident evil 4

[light swan]

what new insight did you gain that you didnt want to gain

[opaque sigil]

re4 is barely a horror game especially in comparison to parts of requiem

[quartz cave]

I mean yeah thats why i chose re4

[opaque sigil]

granted the emotional support magnum does help quite a bit in requiem

[quartz cave]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMzBpbW5kcmdqMDJrdnZ0YTBwejF4dmh1ZzNhd2ZmeTA0NHUyY3U2NCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/iHC7XHYECP3JmPWsMy/giphy.gif

[graceful oyster]

You don't have to be here

[hybrid flare]

what did i spoil

[graceful oyster]

But we try to be non spoilery

[opaque sigil]

is that just a jar of nutella 😭

[light swan]

i think yoiure the one who says unspoilered names randomly

[hybrid flare]

Yeah they dont mean anything

i dont give any context or i make it up

[graceful oyster]

Many names, story aspects

[lavish apex]

i feel like for how much i praised afterimage exploration earlier on it can start to drag a little bit later

[light swan]

final bosses are generally quite big even then

[lavish apex]

just a little bit

[hybrid flare]

the final boss isnt namedropped until you're near the end, and im sure its clear who it is from the start

[light swan]

i remember you clicked on one of our final boss spoilers once and then restated it outside of spoilers which was pretty stupid

[opaque sigil]

I mean it's pretty obvious who the nine sols final boss is like the moment you start the game

[lavish apex]

maybe that feeling is me being a bit burnt out on the genre

[hybrid flare]

Manus is a great fight

dark souls doesnt deserve manus nor artorias

[opaque sigil]

no no you can't get burnout before playing prince of persia

[orchid spruce]

i read some reviews and afterimage's often criticized for being bloated so i don't think you're alone in this. it's just some people really like big worlds with lots of content.

[lavish apex]

i have no plans on doing that tbh

[light swan]

ie me

[hybrid flare]

elden slop

[lavish apex]

i mean i do too

[orchid spruce]

yes ie you

[quartz gulch]

If you say: "x is evil" no context is given. But if I play the game and meet x before they are revealed to be evil I am already spoiled. Like me saying that ||Flowey is evil or something along those lines, where you'd probably dodge his attacks before even being told they are attacks.||

[light swan]

i mean blebbles was warned beforehand that this world was massive and bloated :D

[lavish apex]

also like noteworthy is i haven't put much more time into it than i did silksong to get to an ending

so idk

[opaque sigil]

yeah but it does not have the same number of endings as silksong

[light swan]

also about the ng+ thing

[orchid spruce]

silksong got lots of its playtime from slopquests

[light swan]

its not necessarily required to understand every part of afterimage

[orchid spruce]

and rosaries farming

[light swan]

id say stuff like renee's character or the first ending is possible to understand before ng+

[quartz cave]

Yeah have you not been seeing the artemis 2 clips and livestreams its peak

[lavish apex]

idk how much more i have

it doesn't seem like there's any big chunks of the map left

[opaque sigil]

not really, just watched the clip of them getting recovered

[light swan]

9 more endings

[lavish apex]

and i have all the movement things

[orchid spruce]

undertale moment

[graceful oyster]

The whole Artemis toilet thing was so funny

[light swan]

yayyyy ||tai chi kick|| my beloved

is this spoilers

[graceful oyster]

Perhaps it's too early to give it a name

[light swan]

this tells everyone else literally nothing right

[wind mulch]

walk like an egyptian

[orchid spruce]

nah that's fine for me at least

bc i still have no idea wtf it is to this day

[quartz cave]

Bestie its peakkkk

[quartz gulch]

I disagree. The quests are far shorter after the first time doing them, since you should know what to do.

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/artemis-ii-ignoring-trump-artemis-ii-crew-ignoring-trump-artemis-ii-artemis-ii-crew-nasa-gif-5869532732544735671

[opaque sigil]

oh I did see this too

[quartz cave]

This is them being silent for like 3 minutes when trump called them 😭

[orchid spruce]

ugh... so you agree with me or something?

[opaque sigil]

the restraint it must have taken

undoubtedly a better form of protest ofc

[fiery burrow]

who up making the shakra quest which is just a cutscene mandatory for act 3

[quartz cave]

"I have two microsoft outlooks and neither of them are working"

[lavish apex]

AFTERIMAGE MAP SPOILERS

[lavish apex]

not sure what all i'm missing

areawise

obviously various little secrets probably

[quartz cave]

Reid also stole the little moon plushie its peak

[light swan]

looks good

[wind mulch]

the speech by the astronaut at tje end was pretty cool

[quartz cave]

And the version of rise that the kid who designed it has

[graceful oyster]

You said you disagreed and then you said something in line with towel's claim

[quartz cave]

It has "carrol" written by one of the craters 💖 ❤️‍🩹

[lavish apex]

are there actual areas i missed or is it just quest stuff i should look at

[light swan]

you have all areas

im honestly surprised you havent stumbled into more endings but i dont remember the requirements for 3 of the endings

[orchid spruce]

i am sold on afterimage again by this conversation

[light swan]

why

[eager creek]

Omg are we talking about the Artemis mission

[light swan]

all youre hearing is that afterimage is bloated 😭

[quartz gulch]

I think the quests aren't bad, they just aren't as fun after the first time. But you could say the same for portal being bad just because you know the puzzles.

[orchid spruce]

because it doesn't sound that bloated if bleb got everything on his own

[quartz cave]

I find it funny how they could not contact the spaceship despite it being like 5 footsteps away from the rescue rafts

[graceful oyster]

The point is that they take a lot of time, not that they're good or bad

[light swan]

well, bleb got entire areas i wouldnt say he got everything just yet but idk

[floral veldt]

I wonder 1 thing....might be too general so no idea where to ask

Why there's no steam workshop in hollow knight fran? I mean team cherry kinda care of mod community right?......... Right?

[lavish apex]

there is that one island i haven't checked ig

[orchid spruce]

i'll buy afterimage when it's on sale, i'll just squint past the graphics and combat and story

[graceful oyster]

I will never live long enough to see a good take come from three diamond guy

[lavish apex]

well did check but got walled

[orchid spruce]

i'll be there to explore, only explore

[lavish apex]

the combat itself is cool

[orchid spruce]

that's good to hear

[light swan]

the story is good its just hard to understand

[lavish apex]

there's a bunch of weapons and cool combos and stuff

[lavish apex]

although the spells are pretty bad

[hybrid flare]

play half life

[fiery burrow]

Anyway yeah not everything has to be replayable its just a shame in comparison to the first game which was

[lavish apex]

and so is the enemy design although

i might be harsher than i should be towards that

it just screams to me that iframes should have been a default mechanic

[orchid spruce]

i spent 10 minutes on afterimage and had the same first impression

the enemies looked... unimpressive to say the least

[lavish apex]

i mean early on they're punching bags

[hybrid flare]

no game i've played had memorable enemies other than silksong n sekiro

[fiery burrow]

icl I never finished hl2

[lavish apex]

and i'm fine with that

[quartz gulch]

Exactly what I'm saying.

[hybrid flare]

maybe elden ring and ultrakill but ultrakill doesnt count

[opaque sigil]

that's gotta be fixed

[orchid spruce]

but they looked ugly so round back to graphics i guess

[humble surge]

is this peak?

[hybrid flare]

Go n play

[lavish apex]

later on they can get annoying on advanced though

[hybrid flare]

aura

[orchid spruce]

[fiery burrow]

See HL2 was on my ultrakill hiatus and now I only ever want to play ultrakill

[lavish apex]

a lot of really annoying projectile shitters and such

[hybrid flare]

picking a shooter for a shooter hiatus is something

[fiery burrow]

I was mostly just taking a break so fraud felt fresher

[lavish apex]

boss design i still think i need to analyze more

[hybrid flare]

you're gonna realize how much better ultrakill is...

[lavish apex]

but i lean negative on it

[fiery burrow]

TUFF

[opaque sigil]

epn got what looked like a pretty major update but I haven't actually played it yet

[fiery burrow]

oh huh

NG+ cool

[opaque sigil]

it has what I think are alt movement abilities

two of them seem kinda lame but the other is a grapple modification

[fiery burrow]

spiderman

ultrakill wishes

[hybrid flare]

this looks like a fever dream

[quartz cave]

https://tenor.com/view/dennis-whitaker-the-pitt-whitaker-the-pitt-gerran-howell-dennis-whitaker-the-pitt-gif-13124892009242676155

[hybrid flare]

some cs bullshit, ultrakill and minecraft combined

[fiery burrow]

[quartz cave]

time to do another hades 2 run where i get to typhon and brutally die because i dont have good loadouts in this save yet

[opaque sigil]

oh that's actually pretty nice

[worthy lintel]

The Pavo Jail arc felt a bit forced

[quartz gulch]

What's this?

[fiery burrow]

way better than ultrakill removing coin tech fr

and buffing projectile boost (???)

[quartz cave]

chat is this a w or l way to deal with twitter crypto scambots

[opaque sigil]

it would work but discord users are dumb and would not read that

[eager creek]

Effective until some guy gets too curious and chats there anyways

[quartz gulch]

You can get this alternate ending though

[fiery burrow]

do this with #hk-general

[quartz cave]

TRUEEE

[opaque sigil]

TRUE

[eager creek]

Another server that I'm in has a bot role cause some of them tend to just click one role from every message

[quartz cave]

i need a whitaker gif saying true i should make that actually

[odd hull]

what does any of this mean

[hybrid flare]

what the HELL is happening in the 1s one

[quartz gulch]

Obviously w?

[quartz cave]

whitaker

https://tenor.com/view/the-pitt-dr-whitaker-gif-8753260321154626886

[lucid trellis]

what tools should i span to kill beastfly 2 in act 3?

[slender juniper]

Curvesickle.

You don't need anything else

[worthy lintel]

WAIT I SHOULD TOTALLY ADD THE CAGE THING TO ARCHITECT

I've added the jailer but not the cage itself, it can probably be like a kind of door (like how I handled the ventrica)

[orchid spruce]

not this server, no too young demographics
too many will try it out of curiosuity

[light swan]

i might grind enemies to reachj wf faster

[lucid trellis]

arc or not?

[quartz cave]

children sorting

[quartz gulch]

Reverse order, my bad. When threatening the Trader in Bone Bottom, you can get arrested if you are bested in combat against Flick the Fixer.

[orchid spruce]

true...

[hybrid flare]

why the fuck is everything on fire

[eager creek]

Is that the gay doctors show or do I just have a specific brand of artist that tends to pop up on my feed

[slender juniper]

Arch: curvesickle,sting shards, voltvessel bolas

[quartz gulch]

If you use Flintslate there is a special interaction with three deaths...

[lucid trellis]

got it

[slender juniper]

Heated wizardry made me blush lwk

[quartz cave]

the latter but this guy is definitely homosexual

[slender juniper]

Thank you JK Rowling ❤️

[eager creek]

Crazy

[eager creek]

Wh

[orchid spruce]

???

[slender juniper]

Never heard of heated wizardry?

(not Rowling approved so)

[hybrid flare]

ts is not part of the game

[eager creek]

No... And I really don't want to, I don't think

[slender juniper]

That's fine harry Potter suckass anyways

[eager creek]

True...

[slender juniper]

[quartz gulch]

someone doesn't have the dlc, huh ?

[hybrid flare]

show me the city of steel map

[light swan]

two skill poiunts from WF

[hybrid flare]

the what

[orchid spruce]

||just go grab some tao fruits || (nine sols)

[quartz gulch]

I only have SoS, Iron Heart isn't out yet sadly.

[hybrid flare]

show me ze sea map

[quartz cave]

Chat do yall think the kick is a bot or a child

[fiery burrow]

how team cherry felt making sea of sorrow city of steel and silksong all have the same alliteration

[light swan]

where

[quartz gulch]

Ummmm, wouldn't you like to see some top moment screenshots instead?

[orchid spruce]

explore

[fiery burrow]

stingshard pogos 🥹

where is lomm

[quartz gulch]

If it's a child, maybe deserved for stupidity.

[fiery burrow]

why'd you cut him out

[quartz cave]

Fym "maybe"

[young sparrow]

team cherry will patch you if you say something so sequence breaking

[opaque sigil]

the sequence must be followed

no fun allowed

[fiery burrow]

If you get into memorium early the experience is RUINED

[quartz gulch]

Idk if they do 67 brainrot

On a serious note, any 13+ should have the capability to use their brain and not send a message that will obviously ban them.

[edgy patio]

beast crest is pretty strong against first sinner

[eager creek]

Absolutely no skipping Groal, you must survive his gauntlet

[quartz gulch]

How do you get there "early" it literally requires wings??

[fiery burrow]

stingshard pogos

[untold python]

the.. problem.. is.. the.. runback..

[eager creek]

tool skips

[quartz gulch]

Secret bench and the runback is hella easy.

[orchid spruce]

boys' brains aren't mature until 21

[fiery burrow]

you know what game has room for sequence breaking

[untold python]

fair engouf

[graceful oyster]

New patch announced! They're removing the ability to pogo off of enemies to avoid enemy skips. This is a hard decision made to better the intended progression of the game, thanks for your understanding

[quartz gulch]

Well that's just stupid.

[fiery burrow]

beast triple jumps 😔

[orchid spruce]

[quartz gulch]

Memorium requires wings. Karak doesn't. What do you mean?

[graceful oyster]

23 I've heard

[orchid spruce]

tough luck

[fiery burrow]

idk which hurts more the beast nart tech patch or them fixing Sly's hitbox

[hybrid flare]

now, the final boss

[orchid spruce]

not brain, just a part of it

[graceful oyster]

Prefrontal cortex development

[orchid spruce]

and it was 21, honestly i remember 21

[quartz gulch]

They're also removing fighting as it is violent and may set a bad example for children. You can still do the fetch quests though. Also, staying in the Underworks for over 30 minutes gives points for appreciating capitalism.

[worthy lintel]

Oh my god it's real

[analog mist]

ah yes cs

[hybrid flare]

Also added israeli flags to the citadel

[light swan]

symphony of sylph

[quartz gulch]

I guess, but you certainly never saw Verdania or this guy so it is definitely something to be expected. You moreso see into Pharlooms outer regions.

[fiery burrow]

wym

Its not kity of steel is it

[exotic dome]

sly hitbox patch hurts because i have one less reason to dislike sly now

[eager creek]

The reality is that the brain never stops developing

[fiery burrow]

Sly is him

[rocky jolt]

AMERICANS. They only think about burgers. They are OBESE.

[fiery burrow]

He's still S tier they just removed some of that wabi sabi

[hybrid flare]

next dlc called symphony of strife... oh wait..

[fiery burrow]

Its like patching out the backwards longjump from Super Mario 64 or making Rain World fun

[strange knot]

And taunt now doesn’t make enemies follow you

[lucid trout]

Yall

[quartz gulch]

In some cases it definitely did, at around age five.

[strange knot]

Oh why didn’t it reply wtf

[lucid trout]

I just did cursed gms but my game crashed during bind

[hybrid flare]

i will unironically use skill issue againt your "rain world isnt fun"

[fiery burrow]

You don't know anything about my skill level fam

[quartz gulch]

To play the needolin you need a permit from the citadel.

[fiery burrow]

You can also enjoy games you're bad at

[hybrid flare]

you would be having fun otherwise

[strange knot]

Yes! They are also removing spear and heal stalls!

[hybrid flare]

Rain world unfortunately isn't one of them

[fiery burrow]

Just accept that its got some of that wabi sabi

[humble surge]

fully developed=/=mature

[fiery burrow]

Its good because its awful to play

[quartz gulch]

You can also dislike objectively good games.

[fiery burrow]

objectively good game?

[hybrid flare]

Yeah it has some bs, but i dont really find myself in those situations much

[fiery burrow]

bro doesn't know what the word means

[hybrid flare]

the underhang is bs

[fiery burrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/larp-no-limit-to-QqwajnOjzDViSEM3Xu

[quartz cave]

lbp2

[hybrid flare]

when youre playing on rivulet

[fiery burrow]

or spearmaster

[hybrid flare]

portal

[graceful oyster]

DP scugs are loaded with BS

[fiery burrow]

DP is just bad

[hybrid flare]

||moon|| underhang or regular underhang?

[fiery burrow]

woah spoilers

[hybrid flare]

oh wow spoilers..

[exotic dome]

nine sols is dificult

[fiery burrow]

I'm never finishing spearmaster dw

[hybrid flare]

Dp mogs most dlcs

[quartz gulch]

Your scoring in your own goalpost mate, tf you on about? Do you think you are a representative of everyone playing video games?

[graceful oyster]

The humble uc:

[light swan]

the humble internal damage

[graceful oyster]

Triple diamond guy at it again

[hybrid flare]

Good. we don't want you in the club.

[humble surge]

js lock in

[fiery burrow]

There's no objectively good video game because good is a subjective term

[exotic dome]

second miniboss legit took me 20 tries ngl

[fiery burrow]

There are objectively bad video games though spearmaster's campaign among them

[graceful oyster]

Shigui?

[hybrid flare]

larp

dont EVER play gourmand

gourmand does suck

[humble surge]

who dat

[light swan]

blel beast

[hybrid flare]

X, sentinel/guardian of Y

[plush plover]

[exotic dome]

jiaouduan or something

[graceful oyster]

Ah gotcha gotcha

[hybrid flare]

who the fuck is called eggnog

[orchid spruce]

objectivity doesn't exist but disregarding a level of pretentious objectivity that exists as society consensus is counter-productive

[humble surge]

ima be honest i dont remember any of those but the first actual boss is straight fire

[plush plover]

idk that seems so peculiar

[graceful oyster]

SO real

[orchid spruce]

ikr im so smart

[hybrid flare]

fr

[orchid spruce]

i used so many big words

[hybrid flare]

the earth is flat

no, better, it's round

[fiery burrow]

Gourmand's imperfections are like the crack in the liberty bell

They make it all the more beautiful

[quartz gulch]

-good writing (irrelevant of preferences, are the characters well-written, do they function, do they make sense for what they are, etc.)
-functional (glitches and such, depends on the glitches though)
-balanced (may seem unfair when the game is harder but it doesn't have to be)

And so much more. Good isn't all subjective, there are always actual reasons why you would like something. A subjective opinion can be based on objective facts.

[hybrid flare]

defending gourmand but hating spearmaster 💔

[orchid spruce]

btw, i agree with the three diamonds guy, not disagree my wording is confusing

[hybrid flare]

whos john 3 diamond

oh.. it's john 3 diamond

[orchid spruce]

badoo

[fiery burrow]

you don't know the triple d like that

[humble surge]

what does bro mean by this

[orchid spruce]

if triple a is enden ring, constance is triple d

haha im so funny

[hybrid flare]

dark souls is an objectively great game i enjoy bullshit and walking a lot

[fiery burrow]

Anyway yeah you can objectively analyze games that doesn't mean there are objectively good games

[hybrid flare]

triple S is bloodborne

[fiery burrow]

Silksong notably doesn't do any of these and I think most people here still like it

[hybrid flare]

[orchid spruce]

bloodborne is not SSS, it's A-S-S, haha, get it? because it's ass

[light swan]

9s is funny

[hybrid flare]

Gourmand-tier takes

bed of chaos take

[orchid spruce]

i never played it, just slander for a dum pun

[humble surge]

if you think ss doesnt do any of these you must have poor media literacy

[hybrid flare]

I can tell, a potato wont cut

[orchid spruce]

[quartz cave]

i fear the one with the issue is you bestie

[fiery burrow]

Guy who's never read the slab entries

Game actually has a whole detour where Hornet becomes a violent nazi and mfs say its well written

[hybrid flare]

A badly written optional diary that comes from an optional area

[fiery burrow]

Goodie two shoes Hornet who randomly snaps one day

[light swan]

bro i just got pushed into lasers

[humble surge]

bro did not understand slab entries

[light swan]

guess i cant just spam the parry button

[quartz cave]

not called hk ss for nothing i guess

[fiery burrow]

That goes against most of the themes of her character and isn't an isolated incident

[hybrid flare]

therefore hornet is a bad and inconsistent as fuck character and silksong is shit

[graceful oyster]

Now we're getting somewhere

[orchid spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[hybrid flare]

where else does this happen, 4th heart isn't really the same thing

[quartz gulch]

Nope, plainly incorrect on your part:

major glitches — none

balanced — mostly, with few changes to be made (imo, I respect the devs)

The writing is good enough to be discussed very frequently, so that is wrong too.

[fiery burrow]

Yeah Hornet also randomly helps worsen Wormways' ecosystem and murders Karmelita in cold blood

[hybrid flare]

Karmelita asked for it... kinda..

[fiery burrow]

Dude Team Cherry actually can't write I'm sorry

[orchid spruce]

Omg, we're waking up to TC's slop writing

[rocky jolt]

silksong is unbalanced and dysfunctional

[graceful oyster]

"Good enough to be discussed very frequently"
I think that's more a result of playercount

[fiery burrow]

They haven't made anything good for 7 years ETV was garbage too and everything in Silksong is a rehash of HK's lore

[humble surge]

media literacy moment im sorry dude

simple filter not much to say

[light swan]

also since when did imperfect parries give qi

[hybrid flare]

[fiery burrow]

Good enough to be discussed very frequently but #sk-lore takes like a daily detour on how much the writing sucks

[orchid spruce]

since release

[hybrid flare]

literally wrong

[quartz gulch]

Yet you're still here, huh?

[lavish apex]

e33 pfp

[fiery burrow]

Is there an aspect of the story I'm missing where Hornet saying she feels no empathy for child slaves is an okay thing to say

[orchid spruce]

We talk about other things 60% of the times

[graceful oyster]

"Media literacy" in response to the pointlessness that is killing Karmelita for no reason is wild

[fiery burrow]

Yeah I like the game

[humble surge]

bro is trolling lmao stop engaging

[fiery burrow]

I just think the story is garbage

[quartz gulch]

And why is there a big playercount? Maybe because the game is good, just saying.

[fiery burrow]

Like offensively so

Ofc the game is good bruh that's what I said

[graceful oyster]

Hollow Knight

[hybrid flare]

hunter fights hunter in her prime

[humble surge]

yeah actually its pretty fucking obvius to me and everyone who read that

[fiery burrow]

Vagueposting king

[lavish apex]

😭

[quartz gulch]

There is literally a point to it, unless YOU decide to kill her needlessly. Is Undertale's Genocide Route proof that the player is badly written because they can make fucking decisions???

[hybrid flare]

Hornet is inconsistent in like 1-2 optional sections of the game sort of but that's about it

[light swan]

bro 9s is so funny

[humble surge]

its a joke about how spiders eat flies bro

[fiery burrow]

Why did Hornet decide to write this about sapient newborns

[light swan]

i facetanked every single hit form this guy

[orchid spruce]

Top 10 reasons HK is better, lore vague enough for the weak writing to not be exposed

[hybrid flare]

9s has worse writing

[fiery burrow]

Its so inconsistent about a very core theme of her character that it completely ruins the whole thing

[graceful oyster]

TC's strat was more well developed back then for sure

[plush plover]

who did you facetank

[hybrid flare]

Is being kind to everyone a core theme of her or

[humble surge]

bro the type of person to complain about rosary drops in underworks

[light swan]

2nd boss

[fiery burrow]

Not falling into oppression kinda is yeah

That's like her entire relation with pale beings

[plush plover]

lmfao

[graceful oyster]

Why

[orchid spruce]

Miniboss?

[light swan]

internal damage is funny and i dont really care about minibosses as of yet cuz this guy was boring

[graceful oyster]

Oh miniboss okay

[plush plover]

oh miniboss

[light swan]

the guy stdoggo was on

[orchid spruce]

Yeah, 9S has very clear distinction between miniboss and boss

Boss has a title card

[graceful oyster]

I feel like with your experience it would be silly to not try and tactfully wreck every boss in clean and elegant ways

But minibosses are chaff in the wind

[hybrid flare]

she's balling on a body count of over a hundred

[orchid spruce]

"chaff in the wind"

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[fiery burrow]

Yeah? That's not out of racism lmao

She kills haunted because they're aggressive and she needs to not because she's cartoonishly evil like she is in the slab

[hybrid flare]

This does hurt her but doesnt completely and utterly ruin her like you make it out to be

[plush plover]

2nd miniboss doesnt deserve to be killed cleanly or elegantly anyways methinks

[hybrid flare]

because of literally everything else she does in the game

[fiery burrow]

Well not cartoonishly evil its pretty believable nazi stuff and like there was a period where half the fandom defended what she said

[fiery burrow]

Her character isn't interesting or good outside of that

[hybrid flare]

john subjectivity

[orchid spruce]

nah most minibosses are actually really great on replaythrough, they just force a strange playstyle but 100% reasonable to be annoyed at some of them

[light swan]

NINE SOLS SPOILERS for any and everyone
st doggo can read i think

[humble surge]

dude this HAS to be trolling theres no way

[exotic dome]

i can read

[orchid spruce]

lmao

[fiery burrow]

Red Memory is a strong character moment but its just her talking to Herrah then randomly canonizing 3Q and then White Lady saying she abused her but it was to make her tough so its okay

[fiery burrow]

Nubbie back me up here I sincerely believe this I've been on this for months

[quartz gulch]

"What??? How dare Team Cherry make the video game have some humor!!! RACISTS!!!!!!!!!!!"
(please ignore bugs being a species because of their job as an artistic choice, we need more racism in this game)

[slender juniper]

Lowk what

[graceful cairn]

stop being lame 💔

[fiery burrow]

...Alas... spider's child...
...For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant...
...And so we must seem, for such is the cost of our wish...
Bro what did they do this for

[slender juniper]

"you may think of us harsh"does not mean "I hit my children"

[fiery burrow]

Yea cuz corporal punishment is the only form of abuse

[plush plover]

most of them yeah, ||jiaoduan|| is one of them that i do not think is very enjoyable even on repeats tho like id much rather fight ||wuqiang|| again NGL (9s midgame)

[light swan]

read up !! thats what i did

[humble surge]

what triple d said

[light swan]

if i just spam parry i just cant die

[exotic dome]

wtf

[hybrid flare]

making up shit now, this doesnt necessarily imply abuse what

[fiery burrow]

OK but these are explicitly slaves and Hornet acknowledges this in the same entries where she says she hates their guts

[plush plover]

i like the other ||celestial division boss dudes|| anyway

[hybrid flare]

slabflies entries SUCK!

[orchid spruce]

the game is hard enough as it is even though it has very forgiving mechanics, so i wouldn't want to make it even harder

[slender juniper]

She literally says "you are wrong,lady" right after

You forgot the main fucking line

[eager creek]

I thought this was talking about pk and the vessels

[graceful oyster]

Most Minibosses are pretty good yeah

[eager creek]

I am also a little stupid so whatever

[rocky jolt]

stop larping

[fiery burrow]

In response to White Lady assuming she doesn't understand the wish yes

[vale whale]

dude you said you beat eigong like this😭😭😭😭

[ruby agate]

cherry picking

or shall i say, team cherry picking

[undone canyon]

When do you guys think sos is coming out

[light swan]

yea

[fiery burrow]

Read the entire thing?

Hornet: You are wrong, Lady...
Hornet: I knew the wish, and the price to achieve it. And now, across these many ages, I have only come to know it better...
Hornet: Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.
Hornet: That was the wish, of my mother, of my mentor, and of you...

HK fans can't read

[vale whale]

all of those clips are extremely early game obviously youre going to be able to be cjeap

[steel yacht]

Man sea of sorrow when

[ruby agate]

game about reading, cant read

[undone canyon]

Exactly bro

[humble surge]

that doesnt talk about how they treated hornet, she was mostly raised and trained by vespa, it talks about the vessels

[graceful oyster]

TOMORROW

[slender juniper]

Why the fuck are you sending paragraphs none of us can read

[vale whale]

game with fromsoft storytelling and mfs cant read

[quartz gulch]

No, this time at least it definitely isn't you that is stupid. This is obviously referring to the vessels.

[steel yacht]

I think that’s wrong

[light swan]

like, how many of these attacks can be beatneb y just spamming parry lol

NINE SOLS FINAL BOSS SPOILERS

[fiery burrow]

It is like explicitly about how they raised Hornet

you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant...

[light swan]

ill find a clip of me doing it to the final boss when i get there

[fiery burrow]

Cmon bruh

[hybrid flare]

heavy training = abuse

[light swan]

reminder that i fucking love the final boss shes my 2nd favorite boss of all time

[fiery burrow]

I think its okay to accept that the game has shortcomings

[graceful cairn]

parry ||talisman grab|| imo

[ruby agate]

"You are wrong!" a dialogue box after

[fiery burrow]

Being harsh and uncaring towards your children is bad

[humble surge]

that line exactly talks about what they did to the vessels

[light swan]

its just funny how i can spam parry and never die

[hybrid flare]

They were kinda being the opposite..

[graceful oyster]

I chuckled because I just love the mental image

[humble surge]

do you know what they did to the vessels btw?

[fiery burrow]

Hornet: You are wrong, Lady...
Hornet: I knew the wish, and the price to achieve it. And now, across these many ages, I have only come to know it better...
Hornet: Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.
Hornet: That was the wish, of my mother, of my mentor, and of you...
Yes read the entire thing pretty please

[light swan]

reminder that im still at full hp

[hybrid flare]

and that's how WL thought hornet would perceive their methods anyways

[light swan]

0 heals used

[fiery burrow]

You know white lady presumed vessels to be emotionless zombies right

[slender juniper]

White lady...how the fuck is she even to abuse hornet, she's rooted to the ground and blind, Hive Queen Vespa is just preparing hornet to those coming to seek her nature, which did happen,

[fiery burrow]

This is uh a little different

[slender juniper]

And herrah lwk..just dipped

[humble surge]

nope she still felt remorse for them

[fiery burrow]

Can you google the definition of abuse because its not limited to physical harm bruh

[ruby agate]

herrah fuucking DIES before hornet can even properly be abused

vespa trained her

white lady is a TREE

[hybrid flare]

doesn't imply that either

[fiery burrow]

Yes but she also assumed TK and formerly THK to be pure lmao

[ruby agate]

hujmmmmm... HUMM......

[graceful oyster]

I don't think 9S needs to ||have egg remind you she's your mentor like 6 different times||

[quartz gulch]

No it fucking doesn't, Hornet was never explicitely stated, hence any amount of logical thinking should conclude its the vessels (sacrifice, uncaring, harsh — literally what the sacrifice was described as).

[ruby agate]

yes nailmaster oro ABUSED the knight... google doc coming soon

[hybrid flare]

did WL tell you she sent hornet to a navy seal training programm

[exotic dome]

bro i forgot qi blast existed

[slender juniper]

"you need to be better, once they will come ,those seeking your nature"

[humble surge]

so your interpretation of that was she thought they were mindless zombies?

[exotic dome]

i havent been using it for like 2 hours

[slender juniper]

That is not abuse that is preparation

[graceful oyster]

Your loss tbh

[fiery burrow]

Nah its about Hornet

...Alas... spider's child...
...For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant...
...And so we must seem, for such is the cost of our wish...
Hornet: You are wrong, Lady...
Hornet: I knew the wish, and the price to achieve it. And now, across these many ages, I have only come to know it better...
Hornet: Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.
Hornet: That was the wish, of my mother, of my mentor, and of you...

[quartz gulch]

No, TC did.

[exotic dome]

no i know

[slender juniper]

[fiery burrow]

Yeah that's what a pure vessel is

[graceful cairn]

nah cause what if I forget after like 20 seconds and need another reminder

[humble surge]

literally

[hybrid flare]

LMAOO

how did ts originate

[slender juniper]

Lwk atp White Lady is just a punching bag

[quartz gulch]

Is it because she addresses Hornet that you thinks he is referring to her???

[slender juniper]

The fuck she do😭

[light swan]

omg its the best character

[lavish apex]

this is insane

[orchid spruce]

if you think about it, 9S is actually very intended for the general audience, except the combat, which is way harder than average for the general audience. everything only has sprinkles here and there, except combat and story.

[exotic dome]

i wouldnt struggle in the miniboss if i didn't forget this 😭

[quartz gulch]

Silksong Reddit breads the greatest shit known to mankind.

[orchid spruce]

🙁 you got spoiled...

[ruby agate]

yes guys herrah abused hornet by DYING. google doc coming soon

[light swan]

i know this isnt representative of the combat system

i just think its really funny how easily you can get away with just spamming parry

[slender juniper]

...wait that's lowkey true

[fiery burrow]

Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.
This is the explicit goal of the wish which you would know if you read the dialogue

But guess who didn't read the dialogue

[lavish apex]

oh no there's a green area and some shitter enemies with spears

this will ruin my experience

[slender juniper]

Technically if a parent dies that counts as abuse because the child is left parentless

[orchid spruce]

💔

[quartz gulch]

Rephrase the goal in your own words then.

[slender juniper]

Am I lwk wrong

[light swan]

also, i was under the impression that imperfect parries didnt give silk/qi

i just found out they do

this slightly lowers my impression of the combat system

[graceful oyster]

Why did you even click though

[fiery burrow]

To make Hornet stronger that is what I have already said but apparently you can't even read my own messages

[quartz gulch]

What are you gonna do, sue them ?

[fiery burrow]

Like dang bro

[ruby agate]

yeah but hornet had two more parents

[fiery burrow]

Did we get amnesia mid convo or something

[slender juniper]

One left for the milk

The other went to sleep

[quartz gulch]

And why would Hornet need to be stronger? (I don't care about your superiority complex, just answer the questions if you're so smart)

[lavish apex]

idk i just do things sometimes

[fiery burrow]

So that she may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.

Bruh you can read the dialogue its not that hard

[slender juniper]

Lwk it's bait

[fiery burrow]

Why do I need to personally paraphrase everything

[slender juniper]

Don't argue over stupid bug lore💔

[quartz gulch]

True, I should stop engaging.

[slender juniper]

It's not that serious

[humble surge]

its 100% bait

[potent vessel]

its very serious 😠

[orchid spruce]

bro, why is pengu getting bullied for spitting facts

[fiery burrow]

Everything that criticizes Silksong is bait don't you know

[slender juniper]

Like if we're lore talking and the person starts being disrespectful nah it's bait

[hybrid flare]

she does say facts but saying ts is implied abuse is interesting

[potent vessel]

fr

[slender juniper]

[orchid spruce]

what abuse, i didn't pay attention

[light swan]

those who think mio is a statement on slavery

[slender juniper]

Mommy abuse

[hybrid flare]

The story has its issues n inconsistencies but those dont make it horrendous and terrible and evil and wrong and shit

[orchid spruce]

all i know is act 3 slop and silksong story mid and inconsistent as hell

[fiery burrow]

White Lady is intentionally being harsh and uncaring towards Hornet

Which is uh odd characterization

[humble surge]

mf said the lady dialogue in red mem is referring to them abusing hornet, and not what they did to the vessels

[quartz gulch]

Dude is spitting anything but facts...
Sacrifice, but sure it can't be the vessels.

[fiery burrow]

Not corporal punishment mind you

[slender juniper]

The weavers are an allegory of imigrants

[fiery burrow]

I'm just saying she's not a very good parent and that this counts as neglect at best

[orchid spruce]

what, i had the impression she meant she was harsh to hornet for her own good or some shit

[hybrid flare]

She wasn't, she thought that hornet would interpret what they did as such

not the same thing

[graceful cairn]

grand mother silk is an allegory of a mother

[fiery burrow]

Okay but if you come off that way towards your child that's bad

[slender juniper]

Lwk who even cares about silksong lore they just day fire one liners and it works

[wind gate]

people who can pogo with beast crest lowkey scare me

[exotic dome]

yea i suck at this game it will take time to get used to it

[slender juniper]

Boo

[hybrid flare]

It is, but she considered it to be a necessity, which it was

[orchid spruce]

Team Cherry just fanservice-maxxing, it's not that deep

[potent vessel]

which game

[quartz gulch]

No, they're Pharloom born. Pilgrims are though. Coming for a better life with hope, just to be enslaved to serve the rich at their bidding.

[fiery burrow]

That's how its framed yeah

[exotic dome]

ninesols

[hybrid flare]

and i dont think hornet was locked up for 24 hours every 10 days per month and yelled at every 6 to 8 hours

[potent vessel]

nine sols is peak 😛

[fiery burrow]

And I consider that weird writing because its essentially portraying a bad method of parenting and saying it actually works

I don't think Team Cherry is overtly malicious here to be clear

[graceful cairn]

why are you so true

[slender juniper]

Lwk which fucking parents is perfect tho

[fiery burrow]

I just think they didn't really consider the implications of that dialogue

[hybrid flare]

This is likely an allegory to stuff that parents teach their kids that might seem unnecessary but come in handy later

[plush plover]

there is a gif i wish i could send but i cant cause its spoilsies smh

[hybrid flare]

it is up to interpretation

[orchid spruce]

"due to illusion's complaint, you are now stunned for 0.5s if you parry imperfectly. the combat system has been perfected." - Red Candle Games

[quartz gulch]

Grimm so good he endorses cannibalism.

[humble surge]

if you imagine for a second she was talking about the vessels and not about hornet it makes sense bro last time i engage

[potent vessel]

truth nuke

[fiery burrow]

what she says verbatim though is that the cost of her wish to see Hornet grow strong is for her to appear uncaring and harsh

[slender juniper]

Y'all name one game worse than FNAF security breach or poppy playtime

I'll start

[quartz gulch]

Identity

[slender juniper]

Silksong

[hybrid flare]

Likely implied harsh training, and likely appearing harsh compared to her past life

[hybrid flare]

legends Z-A

dark souls

[fiery burrow]

..Alas... spider's child...

...For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant...
...And so we must seem, for such is the cost of our wish...
Hornet: You are wrong, Lady...
Hornet: I knew the wish, and the price to achieve it. And now, across these many ages, I have only come to know it better...
Hornet: Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.
Hornet: That was the wish, of my mother, of my mentor, and of you...
...Indeed, spider... So much pain you must have passed to speak our hope so simply...
Here's the dialogue in full, their "wish" is for Hornet to have "strength in mind, in care, in claw"

[hybrid flare]

actually nah ds has manus and artorias

[slender juniper]

Omw go to #sk-lore

[plush plover]

league of legends imo

[slender juniper]

[fiery burrow]

Its not just combat prowess though read the dialogue

[slender juniper]

No

[fiery burrow]

"in mind, in care, in claw"

Its everything, Hornet just didn't have good parents

[quartz gulch]

imo
You know it's bad when you see it being shit on more than actual gameplay

[hybrid flare]

Does this really imply abuse or just harsh combat steadiness that didnt seem very comfy to her

[fiery burrow]

Its not about combat in particular

[slender juniper]

Is this a good trait

[quartz gulch]

Yes.

[orchid spruce]

[fiery burrow]

Also this isn't Vespa talking this is White Lady

[humble surge]

thats literally not what it says lmao their wish was to put big scary moth in empty vessel and for that the cost was thousands of vessels sacrificed, which is harsh and uncaring but horbet herself is about to do something just as harsh and just as uncaring so now she has come to understand the strength required for what she needs to do, its a parallelism

[hybrid flare]

Like we don't really know how she was treated, presumably harshly, but not harshly to a point of straight up abusing hornet

[fiery burrow]

Vessels aren't mentioned though

Hornet straight up mentions what the wish was

Idk why we're doing mental gymnastics here

[hybrid flare]

The palace had some training shit in it i presume

[humble surge]

which is imprisoning the radiance in pv thats the wish

[fiery burrow]

"That was the wish, of my mother, of my mentor, and of you..."
"Indeed, spider"
White Lady literally agrees lmao

Nope that's not what Hornet says try again

[quartz gulch]

Also Hornet says that she will find a better way. The vessels were the last resort, hence necessary. Which is why she doesn't blame them for their actions.

[opaque sigil]

no it isn't? that's not what wl is talking about there

[hybrid flare]

Pk baited thk into having feelings just to get sent to the gulag and rot there for a while

[humble surge]

exactly

[humble surge]

thats a different context than the vessel regret

[fiery burrow]

OK but read the dialogue I sent the strength is also "in mind" and "in care" not just "in claw"

[hybrid flare]

No this IS hornet's memory and is explicitely talking about hornet

[fiery burrow]

Yeah you're analyzing the dialogue in a completely irrelevant context

[slender juniper]

Ts Is lwk peak

[fiery burrow]

Vessels are not mentioned lmao the wish is about Hornet

[hybrid flare]

I know, why would she be mentally abused? maybe she was taught how to care for others, just not in the conventional way shes used to.

[fiery burrow]

That's what she says that's what White Lady agrees with

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-sigma-patrick-bateman-owned-rekt-gif-3623767067006449959

[fiery burrow]

The "why" is to make her stronger

Thats the entire point of the dialogue

[humble surge]

if youre using that as a counterargument whrre is hornet mentioned bro

[slender juniper]

What

That's not how trauma works

[fiery burrow]

Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.
Right there

[hybrid flare]

We do see that hornet's virtues are kindness and willingness to help others (the slab isnt real)

[fiery burrow]

You actually can't read man like wtf do you know what first person pronouns are

[opaque sigil]

yeah which is star's criticism it makes wl come off kinda bad

[hybrid flare]

And "stronger" doesn't have to be taken literally

[slender juniper]

How tf can the white lady even mentally abuse hornet ...she can just lwk,not come to her what is she gonna do about it, find her?

[fiery burrow]

She's her mother mate

[plush plover]

[slender juniper]

Yeah and she can just not vome

[graceful oyster]

Did you just make this

[orchid spruce]

omg, i have 5 free stickers

[humble surge]

thats not related to the lady saying harsh and uncaring

[fiery burrow]

Its the same dialogue

[orchid spruce]

yues

[plush plover]

woa stickr

[slender juniper]

if someones mentally abusing you and they're rooted to the ground you're not gonna talk to them

[fiery burrow]

That's not how conversations work lmao

[hybrid flare]

She's concerned enough to understand hornet would see that as unusual and harsh, not necessarily because it was

[opaque sigil]

it just is bruh

[humble surge]

what??? are you saying wl is hornets mother?

[fiery burrow]

Yeah she's raising Hornet

[hybrid flare]

Hornet is void

[plush plover]

https://tenor.com/view/yi-nine-sols-plush-yi-plush-dance-gif-4343975569721421750

[fiery burrow]

Not birth mother ofc

[slender juniper]

I don't see how WL could raise hornet

[hybrid flare]

This argument is literally interpretation vs interpretation

[humble surge]

hornet was mostly raised and trained by vespa

[hybrid flare]

and some illiteracy but

[slender juniper]

She's more like the wise grandma

[humble surge]

exactly

[fiery burrow]

Anyway you're assuming that the conversation randomly switched to be about the vessels who are not relevant at all and again it doesn't work because the entire conversation is about the wish, every sentence mentions it and explains what it is.

[orchid spruce]

lmao

[opaque sigil]

...For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant...
...And so we must seem, for such is the cost of our wish...
Hornet: You are wrong, Lady...
Hornet:** I knew the wish, and the price to achieve it. And now, across these many ages, I have only come to know it better...**
**Hornet: Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. **
that strength in care bit sure didn't work out hornet is a racist vile monster but hey

[graceful cairn]

nooo where are my artifacts

[hybrid flare]

chat oliver twist is a neat book go n read it

[fiery burrow]

I mean she could evidently get around and stuff

[plush plover]

what the scallop what an evil sticker that im glad got deleted

[slender juniper]

How

[plush plover]

that sticker was propaganda methinks

[hybrid flare]

She's mostly kind and willing to help people which is why the slab is dogshit and unfitting

[fiery burrow]

Idk why we're assuming she's immobile she's only imprisoned of her own volition in HK

[fiery burrow]

Ever played Octodad

[plush plover]

im nitroless so unfortunately this also means artifactless 😔

[slender juniper]

Is she

[quartz gulch]

Add "Hornet was mentally abused by White Lady" to the pot of theories such as:

Zote is a vessel
Hornet is void
The Pale King is the Knight
•••• •• • •••••
*Greyroot is the same as the White Lady
Zote is the son of Greyroot (this one is stupid to the point that the person didn't even know what Greyroot did apparently)
All bugs in HK (the entire universe) wear masks when they have a white face (more of a misconception)

[plush plover]

unless i find a gif version that also has the artifacting

[humble surge]

the strength part of the dialogue talsk about the parallelism that she now understands what they were trying to do by trying to do it herself and understands the need for that strength through her own quest

[fiery burrow]

'Do I seem prisoner here? If so, it's not by any choice but my own. These bindings about me, I've chosen to erect.'

[humble surge]

thats a simple parallelism

[opaque sigil]

no it's TALKING ABOUT THE WISH

[fiery burrow]

There is no parallel lmao she's not comparing it to anything

[hybrid flare]

how can we argue if we cant read

[graceful oyster]

I could never play Magic the Gathering artifactless

[opaque sigil]

Hornet: Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.
Hornet: That was the wish, of my mother, of my mentor, and of you...
...Indeed, spider... So much pain you must have passed to speak our hope so simply...

[meager jolt]

What do the dots mean?

[opaque sigil]

silksong fans literally can't read

[fiery burrow]

"That was the wish"

Wonder what that means 🧐

[slender juniper]

What does erect mean again

[hybrid flare]

[fiery burrow]

construct

[slender juniper]

Shakespeare ass English

[orchid spruce]

this sticker is so mean but it's so good

[quartz gulch]

Censorship for reasons

[light swan]

YAYYY CHI YOU

[graceful oyster]

Keh keh!

[plush plover]

my goat

[humble surge]

so much pain you mustve passed to understand literally confirms the parallelism

[meager jolt]

I wonder what it says....

[plush plover]

so wise and poetic

[opaque sigil]

ok illiterate it is

[graceful oyster]

This encounter deserves a verse of its own

[light swan]

whos the best chi you

[humble surge]

why would that line be there bro

[hybrid flare]

is that midsona

[orchid spruce]

||Forgive me, sir Yi||

[opaque sigil]

it's pretty straightforward if you can read

[slender juniper]

They look identical

[light swan]

yea

[hybrid flare]

the pokemon one is a gen 9 pokemon therefore its dogshit so im keeping the 9s one

[light swan]

Call me Yi. There's no need for formalities.

[hybrid flare]

gen 9... 9s...

[light swan]

chi yu is probably one of the coolest gen 9 pokemon :(

[plush plover]

it all comes together

[orchid spruce]

||Sir Yi again two sentences later || (nine sols)

[hybrid flare]

ugly goldfish

[fiery burrow]

The entire convo is about enduring pain for strength because that's WL's parenting style

[light swan]

its a legendary fire fish that lowers enemy spdef

[meager jolt]

Gen 9 is awesome

[fiery burrow]

Its not deep bruh vessels are never mentioned nor compared to the wish because they aren't mentioned at all

[humble surge]

ok bro do you know what a prallelism is

[fiery burrow]

Confirmation bias goes crazy

[hybrid flare]

pokemon peaked at gen 7

[slender juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-violet-pokemon-scarlet-miraidon-gif-26378591

[analog mist]

was border caves harder than path of pain for some of y'all?

[fiery burrow]

There is no parallel if something isn't mentioned

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/inefablejuly-cat-talking-to-itself-on-the-mirror-gif-4687590411166254441

[light swan]

does the last stand jade work with internal damage

[slender juniper]

Wtf is praparallalerism

[fiery burrow]

Hornet isn't comparing anything to the vessel project

White Lady says she had a wish
Hornet says she knows the wish
Hornet says the wish was to make her stronger
White Lady says that was the wish

[orchid spruce]

LMAO

[humble surge]

shits jever mentioned directly because tc dialogue is goofy like that

[fiery burrow]

How is that hard to understand man

[slender juniper]

I'm so confucosed

[plush plover]

its the main way to set it up yea

[fiery burrow]

Oh yeah the dialogue isn't bad its just incoherent

[plush plover]

i just skip past that and use glass sol mod instead

[fiery burrow]

That's just team cherry's writing style but they aren't bad writers ig

[humble surge]

white lady says "you mustve endured so much to understand"

[hybrid flare]

your interpretation of it is

[slender juniper]

Can y'all explaparein

[fiery burrow]

Yeah?

[fiery burrow]

No Nova's is

[opaque sigil]

she says what she's understanding you would know this if you could read

[orchid spruce]

Their dialogues are well-written. They just needed a developmental edit badly.

[hybrid flare]

no nova's is straight up wrong

[fiery burrow]

By their own admission there's nothing in the text that directly supports their conclusion

[hybrid flare]

THE SLAB

[fiery burrow]

Its incoherent yap