sk-discussion

[slender juniper]

Still voltvessels

[charred ruin]

volt vessels still pretty good when shes idle

[lyric hull]

So volt vessels cogflies and tacks?

[lusty grove]

I DID IT

[unkempt steeple]

moss mother, bought the game on release and still haven't gotten past her

[civic snow]

I assume you're using architect if you're mentioning 3 tools at once?

[lusty grove]

I BEAT LOST LACE (again)

[slender juniper]

Are you using architects?then replace cogflies with curvesickle(best tool in the game)

Curvesickle is 17×2-3

[lyric hull]

Nah, just top 3, I'm using reaper cuz I love slow fight (no, I'm not pogoing off the enemy)

[charred ruin]

beat karm with one of the weapons from her own tribe 😭

[lyric hull]

I love curvesickle

[charred ruin]

foul

[civic snow]

I'm the opposite, i like more fast paced fights

[slender juniper]

"Have a taste of your own medicine"

[civic snow]

I used to be wanderer main but beast is much more fun

[lyric hull]

Not that kind, I love fast paced but long fights, that's what I meant by slow fights, sry for missunderstanding

[civic snow]

Ohhh you mean fights that last long?

[charred ruin]

try playing needle phial only on karm

[lyric hull]

My fav fight from previous game was PV, I'm doing him radiant most of the time in a row

[charred ruin]

itll be funny trust me

[civic snow]

Yea right bro, as if anyone's gonna attempt that

[slender juniper]

Reaper would be a good competitive crest with tweaks it just has missed potential

[lyric hull]

Yeah, love to be in a stress

[slender juniper]

First of all id start with increasing needle damage on reaper from 21 to 25

[charred ruin]

someone did it with lost lace

[tight viper]

Just buff the bind

Doesn’t need a damage increase

Just needs more silk generation

[strange knot]

A bit off topic but I just have beaten oneshot. I love that game so much

[civic snow]

Fr..like in any game that i played that contained bosses, they weren't really long and for some bosses in sk i underestimated certain bosses.

[lusty grove]

Skong is so peak

[civic snow]

Congratss

[slender juniper]

-make it not end upon getting hit but decrease the duration from 10 seconds to 7.5
-bind hits always give two orbs and one orb gives one half

[tight viper]

If you buff reaper’s damage, that sets a precedent of increasing/decreasing damage for other crests

[fiery burrow]

Yeah The Mist and Phantom are rough. You kinda have to take the Mist slow, and pogo on the wraiths when they come at you.
I don't really have much advice for Phantom sorry, but if you didn't know she's completely optional

[lyric hull]

Then we have something in common, I enjoy fighting bosses so badly that cheesing bosses seems like an insult to me

[lusty grove]

Reaper should get a buff to its Bind

[slender juniper]

Architect already did

[charred ruin]

wouldnt that be a little too much given silk skills get buffed based on needle dmg + reaper has built in heavy blow

[lusty grove]

make it only decrease time left if you get hit, like Beast's

[balmy talon]

wwa

[civic snow]

YO same here bro

[tight viper]

Arch is different because it’s a multihit

[scarlet karma]

W

[lusty grove]

nah, Needle Damage should be constant to every Crest

[civic snow]

Any boss that i fight is genuinely fun once i get the hang of its tempo and moves

[slender juniper]

Fine ,24 damage and the buff bind I said

[balmy talon]

did anyone else kill any bosses/gauntlets first try

[lusty grove]

me

[balmy talon]

(i just realised some gauntlets are super easy)

[civic snow]

Moss mother 🔥

[balmy talon]

neat

[slender juniper]

But its not, architect + needle strike

[scarlet karma]

first play through?

[charred ruin]

it would be nice if reaper gave you a guaranteed amount of silk orbs with hitting enemies during bind buff

[balmy talon]

i dided to moss mother once lol

[scarlet karma]

and pogo

[tight viper]

Give reaper a bleed effect that’s similar to poison or fire

[balmy talon]

yes!

[fiery burrow]

I found Bilewater and Groal very late and first tried them

[balmy talon]

i cleared craw court first try

[fiery burrow]

Other than that the only ones I really remember first trying were Sister Splinter and Lace 1

[lyric hull]

Disgraced chef lugoli, High halls gauntlet, and sister splinter

[civic snow]

Lucky for you

[tight viper]

First tried phantom, I know that

[slender juniper]

@charred ruin

[lusty grove]

FINALLY

[scarlet karma]

hm ones a remember are gms lace 1 & 2 ass Jim, and am more

[scarlet karma]

74 hrs is fast lol

[civic snow]

Wait HIGH HALLS GAUNTLET FIRST TRY??

[tight viper]

Beat Seth in two tries because the fight bugged out

[lusty grove]

really?? well, thx

[charred ruin]

nice, i got my 100% in roughly 70ish hours too

[scarlet karma]

forum

[fiery burrow]

What I'm surprised I didn't first try was Bell Beast and Moorwing

The trailers made them look like easy filler fights

[scarlet karma]

first 100% was 82hr

[civic snow]

The conductor's melody one or..?

[scarlet karma]

I did everything in act 3 on my first play through lol

[scarlet karma]

yuh

[civic snow]

Oh wait

[charred ruin]

i thought bell beast was just lowkey like massive moss charger with the addition of bells falling around

[civic snow]

Bro that takes a lot of skill ngl

[lusty grove]

stop calling it "High Halls Gaunglet", it's name is THE FORUM

[charred ruin]

and that it doesnt take as much knockback so you cant just cheese it by repeatedly hitting it

[charred ruin]

high halls gauntlet

[civic snow]

Not really imo, I got 100% in like 56h iirc

[balmy talon]

it was actually based around that. a better moss charger

[lusty grove]

Finally...
I have them all...

[tight viper]

I’m gonna call it the Wisp Thicket gauntlet

[ionic stump]

If gms is your grandma does it make lace your aunt?

[charred ruin]

do we have confirmation from TC for this claim

[fiery burrow]

Basically but its a bit more hard to read imo and the double damage was pretty extreme that early in the game

[balmy talon]

yes. i am team cherry

[scarlet karma]

now steel soul 100%

[lusty grove]

now I'm only missing you 4 little shits

[civic snow]

There's a difference between a "grand mother" and a "grandmother" btw

[charred ruin]

fire when does sea of sorrow drop

[fiery burrow]

In a way

[civic snow]

Baha have fun

[fiery burrow]

Not biologically since GMS doesn't really have kids like that but GMS is Herrah's mom in a sense

[ionic stump]

In that case there is not bc she is literally herrah mother aka our grandma

[lusty grove]

GMS is not our grandma, that's a major plot point

[lyric hull]

It's my first playthrough, I wanted to collect EVERYTHING before progressing to act 3, so cogwheels came in clutch, I obliterated one of choir clappers in like 5 seconds 😭😭😭

[charred ruin]

do steel soul 100% and speed completion at the same time

[tight viper]

Not literally

[fiery burrow]

?

[tight viper]

She didn’t give birth to Herrah

[fiery burrow]

Grand Mother is a pun

[tight viper]

She didn’t give birth to any weaver

[fiery burrow]

It also means Grandmother because she is our mother's mother

[civic snow]

Did you copypaste your message lel?

[balmy talon]

tommorow

[lusty grove]

"she called us daughters... she called us divine... she lied..."

[lyric hull]

Maybe

[ionic stump]

But she evolved the weavers making them her adopted daughters

[fiery burrow]

FS believes that yeah

[lusty grove]

"believes that" it's true

[civic snow]

Not wrong tho

[charred ruin]

they werent literally born from her they were just ascended pharlids

[lusty grove]

yeah that's what I said

[fiery burrow]

She's still referred to as the Weaver's mother in other places though

[balmy talon]

i dont think gms is related to the weavers she just evolved them with her crazy silk

[ionic stump]

Which she made them to ascend

[fiery burrow]

Like at the end of the day the point FS is making is that their relationship was based on a lie and they weren't actually divine

[ionic stump]

So In a way weavers are her adopted Children

[fiery burrow]

The other weavers didn't even actually agree with her

[civic snow]

It took me a bit more than 10 attempts for the high halls gauntlet, i decently struggled with it 🥲

[fiery burrow]

She was locked up for apostasy for saying that

[civic snow]

And therefore being the first sinner

[lusty grove]

this feels really good ngl

[tight viper]

Either that or they couldn’t risk the illusion of divinity breaking

[fiery burrow]

I mean I assume its a mix of both

[lusty grove]

...but it would feel even better if I had those

[civic snow]

No it doesn't steel soul and speedrun achievements are missing, go get them

[charred ruin]

i would say after the weavers abandon gms they no longer consider themselves family to her therefore gms is not hornets grandmama

[fiery burrow]

But yeah one of the divine children going around saying "yeah guys we aren't divine" is bad news for the weavers

[balmy talon]

yes and the other weavers didnt like being called not divine or what that would mean for their kingdom

[fiery burrow]

Either way I don't really think it matters a whole lot

[civic snow]

Ngl, it would be cool to see more of the weavers

[fiery burrow]

"Grand Mother" doesn't mean "Grandmother" is major cope when that's the entire point of the wordplay

Do you really think TC didn't notice

[balmy talon]

so they locked their sister away and made the slab for bugs who would doubt their divinity

[civic snow]

We've seen them a few times in sk (in memories usually) and also in hk

[charred ruin]

i wish there were more variations of weavers besides ones that look like FS and herrah but the spiders in deepnest dont seem entirely related to weavers

[slender juniper]

She is a mother that is grand, but not a grandmother

[civic snow]

But, seeing their civilization at their prime would be actually sick

[fiery burrow]

But she is Hornet's grandmother in a sense

[lusty grove]

it's a pun, but it's also a plot point that she's not the "Grandmother"

[fiery burrow]

Herrah is her creation

[lusty grove]

she isn't, that's a major plot point

[balmy talon]

it was so cool seeing all the weavenests

its like billionares underground bunkers

[slender juniper]

TC making lore by putting space between a word:

[fiery burrow]

GMS is literally referred to as their mother

[tight viper]

Herrah, and therefore Hornet, could not exist without GMS

[charred ruin]

cuz even if the spider tribe looks very similar to ascended pharlids/weavers they arent related and theres no implications the spider tribe ever had to ascend to look the way that they do

[balmy talon]

she is their mother but not in the traditional sense

[civic snow]

In what way do you wish to see more variations? I haven't given this a thought..

[fiery burrow]

Anyway TLDR Lace is Hornet's aunt and that has no bearing on anything but its funny

[lusty grove]

let me explain this to you:
imagine that there's some guy, and I give this guy drugs that make him stronger. This guy later has a daughter. Am I this guy's daughter's grandfather?

[charred ruin]

small weavers big weavers weavers with differently shaped heads

[civic snow]

Fr bro, especially atla's

[balmy talon]

what about widow

[lusty grove]

without GMS, Herrah would still exist, just as a Pharlid

[civic snow]

You mean like any normal civilization

[lusty grove]

she... isn't

[tight viper]

And that wouldn’t be Herrah, that would be Generic Pharlid #3614

[balmy talon]

atlas was gonna be all the weavenests combines. some people are sad its smaller, but im glad the weavenests are spaced out all around pharloom

[fiery burrow]

Said guy would already be sapient lol

[charred ruin]

ok fair there is widow but still thats only 3 types of weavers weve seen so far

[balmy talon]

true... true...

[civic snow]

Herrah the pharlid 🔥 🔥

[fiery burrow]

She also altered them directly (and genetically) with her own material (Silk)

[lusty grove]

without me, my dog wouldn't be [insert dog name], it would be Generic Dog #7631
does that make me my dog's father?

[tight viper]

Lurien the Pharlid

[slender juniper]

Oh my god shes silking it

[fiery burrow]

Its not about the name bro

What is this strawman 😭

[tight viper]

Brother, you didn’t give your dog a higher understanding

You didn’t give it sapience

[balmy talon]

the weavers with the round head is the base we've got. you take that base and can imagine how any individual weaver might look like

[lusty grove]

I taught it how to sit when I tell it to

[tight viper]

You gave it dog food

[fiery burrow]

ts gotta be bad faith

[still osprey]

truly an incredible boss

[civic snow]

True, it's very fun to discover all of them. Murglin, atla, uh...the rest of the names i forgot

[tight viper]

[lusty grove]

ANYWAY, GMS isn't the Weavers' mother and that is a major plot point (see: First Sinner)

[lusty grove]

okay that was a joke (the rest isn't tho)

[balmy talon]

i might make some art of weaver concepts and post them here if im feeling inspired

i love the weavers

[fiery burrow]

The major plotpoint is how she created Pharlids

[charred ruin]

herrah has a very pokey head and widow is fluffy

[fiery burrow]

This does undermine their relationship and their divinity

[slender juniper]

She silked them

[lusty grove]

she... didn't, create Pharlids

[neat python]

when are the servers going down on this dead game

[civic snow]

It's a cool looking boss with an underwhelming fight imo

[civic snow]

-# Does he know that the game isn't multiplayer

[balmy talon]

this fight is actually practice for the flea bounce

[charred ruin]

i wish the burning bugs still stayed around even after fotf died or rather the flame is extinguished

[balmy talon]

from what i remember they run away when hornet gets too close

[fiery burrow]

OK my wasd and arrow keys got inverted???

[civic snow]

FRR like the first time i found wisp thicket, it's genuinely my favorite area but i was so disappointed it's small as fuck. It's smaller than wormways 🥲

[fiery burrow]

I can't type normally one sec 😭

[balmy talon]

[crude geyser]

Chat do you think it’s annoying that you have to farm shell shards for tools ? Genuinely

[tight viper]

Ehh, just farm rosaries and buy bundles

[civic snow]

I remember that happened to me twice when i played roblox on pc and there was a specific keyboard pattern that does that, but i forgot. Just search on the internet rq

[tight viper]

50 rosaries per is nothing

[charred ruin]

thats prior to fotf defeat, afterwards i dont think they show up at all anymore

[quartz roost]

It stops you from being overpowerd with them, so yeah

[balmy talon]

theres so much cut content for greymoor. i could almost shed a tear

[crude geyser]

Those rosaries youd rather spent on other stuff

[charred ruin]

it bothers me that there is an easily achievable cap for shards but not rosaries

[crude geyser]

Unique stuff

[fiery burrow]

OK yeah its fixed

[tight viper]

That’s why you farm the rosaries

[fiery burrow]

Useless feature bro

[tight viper]

So you have rosaries to buy both shard bundles and tools

[fiery burrow]

Anyway I meant weavers sorry

[civic snow]

I haven't looked at cut content much ngl

[charred ruin]

tho rosaries are easy to farm in endgame

[crude geyser]

It pisses me off that each time I redo a boss I’m essentially weaker bc of that

[balmy talon]

no cause you can buy bundles or break hornet statue /KIDDING DO NOT BREAK HORNET STATUE

[tight viper]

You can buy 20 bundles at a time

That’s a lot of shell shards

[lusty grove]

Lace is legally Hornet's aunt but not biologically nor relation-ly

[tight viper]

That’s like 1600 that’s more than enough to beat a boss

[charred ruin]

this is why i just lowkey installed infinite shell shards mod because i dont wanna bother w farming rosaries just to fight bosses and lose my shards again

[balmy talon]

well... yeah i agree. but i dont think laws are the same in pharloom

[tight viper]

50 rosaries per, that’s 1000 rosaries for 20 shard bundles, that’s not too bad all things considered

[fiery burrow]

Yeah I agree with you there

Its just a neat fun fact

[balmy talon]

does GMS even LIKE hornet guys?

[devout oak]

im actually so confused, ive collected all 4 simple keys (i checked) and i dont have a singe one, yet i havent gotten rosary cannon, did i just somehow lock myself out of getting it

[civic snow]

Imagine having that amount of bundles and when running out, you pause mid-fight and be like: "wait rq, i need to open these up and I'll be right back with you"

[balmy talon]

does she view hornet as a grandchild?

[fiery burrow]

Its in the high halls key room

[crude geyser]

The rosary canon is hidden

In the same place you find all those rosaries

[devout oak]

behind a simple key

[lusty grove]

well, GMS """adopted""" the Weavers
but the Weavers kinda "unadopted" themselves...

[fiery burrow]

er she calls Hornet "child"

So probably

[tight viper]

Does Pharloom have inheritance taxes?

[civic snow]

"Unadopted" is a funny thing to say

[lusty grove]

GMS?

[fiery burrow]

Yeah

[lusty grove]

that's... weird

in any case whatsoever, Hornet is NOT GMS's daughter

[fiery burrow]

That's probably what she calls all weavers tbh

[civic snow]

When? She doesn't talk tho

[fiery burrow]

Silk hearts

[sturdy trellis]

well hornet also calls lace child

[tight viper]

Silk Heart dialogue

[lusty grove]

Silk Heart section

[sturdy trellis]

i think it's just used to refer to someone who you think to be young and/or immature

[lusty grove]

yeah but it's more like "child" as a synonym for "kid" instead of "child" as a synonym for "son/daughter"

[civic snow]

Ohh right..tho what if in the silk heart dialogue it's the weavers in general or herrah? I forgot how those dialogues were but idk, just guessing.

[sturdy trellis]

yeah well i'm saying it's the same for gms in this context

[charred ruin]

she just wanted to assimilate hornet 😭

[tight viper]

The weavers have dialogue when binding silk skills and ancestral arts

But not during silk hearts

[lusty grove]

would Lace legally count as a child?

[tight viper]

And it’s just whatever weaver is in that spire

[civic snow]

Alright, got it

[tight viper]

So the first sinner burial spire has first sinner dialogue, the cling grip spire has cling grip weaver dialogue

[charred ruin]

i mean given that she was created from gms id say yeah but pharlooms legal system doesnt really work the same as ours

[tight viper]

They probably met together to determine their little script before leaving

[civic snow]

Wait a minute, i realized this chat is turning into #sk-lore

[tight viper]

Aside from first sinner, she was already in jail

[lusty grove]

Keelal

[tight viper]

Possibly Keelal, yeah

Probably Keelal but unconfirmed

[lusty grove]

but Lace's chronological age is high enough for her to be eligible for retiring

[charred ruin]

yet she mentally isnt really capable of being an adult

[tight viper]

What is the retirement age in Pharloom?

[civic snow]

Never

[balmy talon]

they just moved out of their clingy mothers house man

[crude geyser]

The wisp fire tool is honestly pretty good lol

[tight viper]

Does Pharloom have a good pension plan?

[civic snow]

Underworks be like:

[balmy talon]

is that not because hornet is young for an immortal being?

[tight viper]

Excluding them

[balmy talon]

shakra also calls hornet child but she isnt hornets mother

[lusty grove]

there's no retirement age in Pharloom
it's a SIN not to work
death is literally prohibited so you can't even die to stop working

[tight viper]

Hornet is short

[lusty grove]

and Hornet then corrects Shakra by saying "no the fuck I'm not"

[balmy talon]

does GMS view hornet as her grandchild?

[tight viper]

Tell that to the dead naked chud in the showers

[lusty grove]

that was prob after the Haunting

[charred ruin]

probably not given the weavers abandoned gms and hornet is a weaver and also comes to fucking kill her

[civic snow]

No i don't think that's actually respectful and i don't think shakra would do that just cuz she's short. This would probably look similar in irl.

[balmy talon]

and then shakra calls her a child for the rest of the game till an event is met

[charred ruin]

i mean first thing gms does upon waking up is to attack hornet while compared to her being in the abyss she tried to save lace, her biological child

[lusty grove]

cuz Shakra's stubborn

[tight viper]

Shakra has a different definition of respectful

So she would respect giraffes, but not gnomes

I think

That’s my headcanon

[balmy talon]

i sometimes wonder why grand mother silk chose the pharlids to evolve but it was probably something really simple like they were the first bugs she came across in pharloom

[civic snow]

Her definition of respectful is "poshanka" fr

[balmy talon]

poshanka!

[civic snow]

I mean, would you rather she evolved spit squits?
(They probably didn't exist before the citadel but ignore that)

[scarlet karma]

guys is this a Silksong reference

[civic snow]

Ikea sells curtains with lace all over them?

[charred ruin]

i dont think she considers anyone but lace to be family, id assume she ascended pharlids into weavers in attempt to establish some sort of family for herself OR for her own gain, then realized that wasnt really working so she created lace and then she got sealed up by the weavers

[scarlet karma]

lace needs advertising

[civic snow]

As the ignored child, i can see why she would want advertising, aka attention

[charred ruin]

and now she hates the weavers for abandoning her therefore attacks hornet right after getting out of the silk cocoon + hornet was challenging her anyways so she might as well respond to the challenge

[lusty grove]

first save file: first and main playthrough
second save file: attempt at Steel Soul
third save file: honestly, I don't even know
fourth save file: randomizer run

[charred ruin]

she really only saw lace as a child of her own and was willing to sacrifice what power she had left for lace compared to the weavers

[civic snow]

Oh my god bro cracking my back feels so good (making the bones crack, not...ugh you get it)

[charred ruin]

no i get this the sound is so nice

[crude geyser]

Can great taste of pharloom be done in act 2 ?

[lusty grove]

it MUST be done in act 2

[civic snow]

Right????? It's like one of the best feelings everrr

[civic snow]

It should be done in act 2

[spark anchor]

It should be and only done in act 2. Please do not do it in act 3 you are honna make the game harder by making the rasher be delivered through a harsher environment and lugoli becomes voided

Also not having hivesteel before act 3 isnt convenient

[civic snow]

"It is should be"

(ok mb)

[balmy talon]

fuck i need to try out randomizer

[crude geyser]

Im trying to do courier rashier, but I’m not sure what the best path is

[hardy tangle]

up

[lusty grove]

The Marrow felt way bigger on my first playthrough

[charred ruin]

my girlfriend can crack her fingers at will at any given time though which mildly scares me tho cuz?????????? dont people usually have some sort of cooldown until they can crack any joints or bones 😭

[civic snow]

My route is through shellwood, then past its bellway on to blasted steps, then grand gate, then up in the secret passageway to choral chambers and there u go

[hardy tangle]

how many times did you get caught in the elevator of misery

[civic snow]

I'm also that typa person to crack all of my bones if i can. Like they genuinely start hurting at some point if i DON'T crack them 🥀
And yes there is a cooldown, but it can be as short as mere minutes to as long as a few days.

[charred ruin]

my girlfriend can crack her fingers with like zero cooldown 😭

[hardy tangle]

we all cracking bones ✌️

[lusty grove]

does the timer still count while the game is paused?

[verbal steeple]

bro i tab into discord and this the first thing i see

[charred ruin]

but its nice to get up and stretch a little and crack the spine a bit after sitting down for a while

[civic snow]

When i started the quest for the first time and was trying to do the pathfinding myself, i think like 2-3 times. After those times i learned to time the jump while dash correctly and i never got caught in it again

[verbal steeple]

i got caught in the shellwood elevator while doing the courier quest once

[charred ruin]

i personally just cleared out the entire path without benching and went through it fairly comfortably

[hardy tangle]

we all did bro

its a canon event

[verbal steeple]

and not only that but the enemies WERE HITTING ME WHILE I'M IN THE ELEVATOR

[unkempt forge]

unfortunate

[civic snow]

Your girlfriend has a more fragile skeleton than i do
My gf looks at me with wide eyes when i crack a lot of bones consecutively

[fiery burrow]

I really liked the elevator tbh I wish all boss runbacks contained elevators that you would have to send up manually every runback lest you have to wait for them to come up on the next one

[verbal steeple]

this happened in my second playthrough

i wouldn't like elevator runbacks

[lusty grove]

how do I do Bell Beast skip?

[wheat berry]

I went sinners path 💂

[civic snow]

Eh, i never bothered myself to do so, i only did it in hk for fragile flower

[hardy tangle]

im like wow hornets such a dumbass for being caught by those weak ass citadel bugs but she gets caught by a fucking elevator

[verbal steeple]

i never clear the path for courier/fragile flower

[charred ruin]

she has indeed fractured her wrist before 😭 but i can only crack my spine ive never figured out how to do it painlessly on other joints

[civic snow]

Not a good idea if you have trouble with its enemies (which to some ppl are hell btw)

[charred ruin]

i also did that for fragile flower

[verbal steeple]

i did fragile flower second try

but jeez is it annoying

[hardy tangle]

the last jump

[charred ruin]

i dont know how people are getting caught in the thorns before the grave

[hardy tangle]

anything evil tthat happens in both games is probably william pellen

[civic snow]

The spine is the most satisfying one that i could find anyway. The 2nd best is the neck when i twist my head almost 90° degrees and almost die :D

[lusty grove]

just learned two new skips

[charred ruin]

you could mess up in so many other places but you mess up at the last possible location that couldve easily been avoided with a half baked calculation of when and where you need to dash to avoid getting spiked

[verbal steeple]

yknow sometimes when i yawn i'll feel a sudden sharp pain in the bottom of my jaw and i'll even feel something there with my hands

but then after a bit that thing goes away and so does the pain

i have no clue what's happening

[charred ruin]

yeah maybe dont crack ur neck 😭

[verbal steeple]

crack so good it sends you to heaven

[charred ruin]

real

[verbal steeple]

or hell i don't judge

[charred ruin]

or you get reincarnated

[civic snow]

The first dash in that room is lowkey kinda precise, that's very easy to mess up. You can either dash too early and fall in the spikes or go just a bit off the ledge and when dashing, you hit the side of the platform instead of the top

[verbal steeple]

or you get sent to purgatory

[charred ruin]

or you just dont go anywhere you just die

[verbal steeple]

y'know going back to skong after dealing with the knight's cloak dash is quite the experience

[civic snow]

My parents also told me not to force my neck cracking with my hands, but i know what I'm doing

[verbal steeple]

switching between the games is quite the experience

[verbal steeple]

everybody knows what they're doing untill they die

[lusty grove]

does pausing the game also pause the speedrun timer?

[verbal steeple]

i think it does

[charred ruin]

id assume so

[civic snow]

Yes it does

[lusty grove]

okay thx

[civic snow]

Tho when in inventory, timer keeps going

[charred ruin]

man thats lame 💔

[unkempt steeple]

giving up on steel soul bruh, hornet is way too fragile in early game

[civic snow]

I am pretty sure but i can't guarantee

[rough anvil]

Rune rage or thread storm

[trim estuary]

Yeah I can do that with one of my fingers it’s normal

[unkempt steeple]

thread storm

[round creek]

Hornet

[rough anvil]

I heard thread storm got gutted so i wanted to know if anybody changed opinions lmao

[charred ruin]

rune rage looks cooler but unfortunately doesnt hit fast enough

[civic snow]

Rune rage is the worst skill in the game btw. Technically it could deal the most dmg but it's very unreliable

[unkempt steeple]

rune rage is still the worst silk skill

[rough anvil]

I couldve never knew .......

Anyways ty for the answers yall

[charred ruin]

isnt it damage spread out over an area too not just a high amount of damage per circle

[unkempt steeple]

imo I would've made a tool and work kinda like that one charm in the pale court mod that does pv's rune rage when focusing

[charred ruin]

i tried rune rage once in high halls gauntlet with a bunch of flying enemies. it hit none of them.

[unkempt steeple]

lol

[magic bison]

Yaaayyy i beat last judge first tryyy

Only died like 3-5 times on my way to the boss arena

[unkempt steeple]

crazy to make one of the best silksong bosses give you the worst silk skill

[still osprey]

I'm about to make so much money

[civic snow]

If i understood the wiki correctly, it uses some sort of formula and each rune rage hit that damages the same target, decreses its damage for each new rune rage hit in that same skill use

[rough anvil]

1 mask cloakless hornet looks so cursed 😭

[unkempt steeple]

crazy that cardinius does all that work without a mask when maskmaker said his work is tiresome without a mask

[wheat berry]

oh lmao, I swear that path was easy 🥹

[civic snow]

Depends if you can avoid the enemies there easily. Once you pass it, the rest is just an easy sweep. But i still thinking shellwood route is faster

[hardy tangle]

is this bait

[wary storm]

4 geo

[unkempt steeple]

what

[rough anvil]

Chef lugoli vs architect crest's charged attack and delver's drill

[thin charm]

the first rune that hits an enemy will only do the same as the needle damage. the second rune that hits the same enemy will do half needle damage. the 3rd will do a third of needle damage. that's why it's a bad silk skill

[hardy tangle]

thats not how masks work and cardinius does jack shit he sits in his vault cave all day and waits for hornet to spoon feed him psalm cylinders

[thin charm]

he has a psalm cylinder in his own room and doesn't bother to pick it up

[charred ruin]

lame ass skill 🥀

[civic snow]

Big cheeks vs big drills

[amber tartan]

THUS RANDOMIZERID THE FUNNIEST SHIT EVER

[unkempt steeple]

don't speak on the goat like that

[hardy tangle]

he'd probably come up with a slur for weavers

[unkempt steeple]

based?

[hardy tangle]

spinderous spiderling

[unkempt steeple]

they're evil, they literally destroyed pharloom and turned pilgrims into slaves just bc they were mad at gms for "lying to them" as if they'd like to hear that they used to be cave dwellers...

[hardy tangle]

i forgot weavers did that

https://klipy.com/gifs/speed-ishowspeed-58

what if weavers were called beavers and instead of destroying pharloom and making the citadel they ate wood and made dens

[sleek edge]

i accidentally deleted silksong which deleted all my mods so i had to go back and reinstall everything and messed it up like 4 times until i got it right and the problem was moving the wrong files

[unkempt steeple]

what if weavers were called dealers and instead of destroying pharloom and making the cidadel they sold crack and meth

[woeful matrix]

like 3 hours worth of silksong today just got deleted for no reason
my progress just didnt save i guess

awesome

[hardy tangle]

what if weavers were called leavers and instead of destroying pharloom and making the citadel they left pharloom and lived in hallownest

[scarlet karma]

any mods installed?

what platform

[unkempt steeple]

did you have the pantheon of pharloom mod installed? it doesn't save progress

[hardy tangle]

wii u

[scarlet karma]

Xbox 360

[unkempt steeple]

when is silksong coming to psp

[woeful matrix]

so thats what it was huh

[hardy tangle]

still waiting for silksong on my 3ds

[unkempt steeple]

happened to me too lol

[woeful matrix]

is there any way to play normally with it or do i just have to uninstall it

[unkempt steeple]

you gotta uninstall it

[woeful matrix]

w mod

[raw pawn]

lave simpsong

[raw pawn]

Is silksong on the switch btw?

[hardy tangle]

yeah

like 99% sure

[stoic sigil]

Tomo

rrow

[earnest drift]

on the scale of one to ten, with one being radiance and ten being the weavers, how evil is sherma

[stoic sigil]

What

[lusty grove]

wha

[verbal steeple]

one

[lusty grove]

"on a scale of 10 to 10, where is 1?"

[verbal steeple]

the radiance was literally gonna die

[unkempt forge]

wha

[verbal steeple]

because her people abandoned her

[stoic sigil]

Sherma is the Radiance though????

[copper hedge]

lave mentioned

[verbal steeple]

radiance isn't that evil

[verbal steeple]

omg peenix sc

[blissful rampart]

Radiance is still evil

[verbal steeple]

but not evil

[earnest drift]

she could've just infected the moth tribe to make them come back why did she take on the entire kingdom

[lusty grove]

kinda funny how you can skip the entirety of the Marrow and most of Mosshome with 2 really easy flying enemy pogos

[raw pawn]

Silksong reference???? /j

[blissful rampart]

Our point is that your scale has no 1

[earnest drift]

and why did she manipulate soul master into commiting more mass murder, that's just evil for the sake of evil

[stoic sigil]

The Radiance did nothing wrong, that bum ass pale fraud would've ruined Hallownest anyway

[lusty grove]

she killed millions

[verbal steeple]

pretty sure the soul master was doing it himself but the radiance infected him to make him even more determined to do it

[blissful rampart]

Radiance chose to cause the infection

[verbal steeple]

but she's just a little gal

fluffy little moth

[blissful rampart]

So what?

[stoic sigil]

Consider this:

[raw pawn]

Hornet?

[lusty grove]

she's a toxic genocidal god of destruction

[light swan]

why are you jut a hater radiance did nothing wrong

[stoic sigil]

Can such a floofy gal be THAT evil?

[verbal steeple]

radiance is the only reason silksong is here

radiance made silksong

is making silksong evil

[stoic sigil]

Wanderer

[raw pawn]

Describing hornet lmao

[verbal steeple]

omg god of destruction? beerus

[blissful rampart]

I'm not, the Radiance is an awesome boss. I'm just saying that the Radiance isn't perfectly good

[stoic sigil]

Uhm actually she's the God of light

[verbal steeple]

radiance didn't do anything chara was controlling her!

[stoic sigil]

Silksong fan can't read smh

[light swan]

radiance is the nicest boss i know

[earnest drift]

and why did she do that

[verbal steeple]

whimsy

[raw pawn]

Why the hell is hornet judging Trobbio in the journal when she killed much more bugs

[lusty grove]

this room giving me flashbacks from randomizer

[earnest drift]

does anyone else find grand mother silk way more sympathetic than radiance

[verbal steeple]

so what if the radiance made someone torture a bunch of souls? who doesn't?

[blissful rampart]

Yes

[stoic sigil]

Yes

[verbal steeple]

no

i mean what even is the story of GMS? she's a higher being that controlled over pharloom and got trapped because of it

[stoic sigil]

Ngl if GMS had her coffee it could've just ended with a conversation

[verbal steeple]

and she also wanted eternal daughters

[blissful rampart]

LMAO

[verbal steeple]

the radiance was a god disappearing because her people abandoned her so in a desperate state of mind she infected the entire kingdom to not die

[indigo jetty]

What exactly is sympathetic about her story tho

[hardy tangle]

guys which one is greener orange or lime

[verbal steeple]

the GMS is just some lady that wanted to make daughters and got trapped because she ruled over a kingdom

what am i supposed to find sympathetic about her?

she abandoned one of her daughters in an organ in a swamp

what am i supposed to sympathize with

[stoic sigil]

Weavers when a Pale Being adopts them and makes them awesome (HOW DARE SHE)

[raw pawn]

The one that is greener

[hardy tangle]

imagine there was a higher being whos just chill af and didnt make anything

[verbal steeple]

y'know when you're infected in hallownest

[earnest drift]

radiance could've infected a small group as to not be forgotten if she had to, instead she caused a bunch of unecessary death including her own tribe

grand mother silk was imprisoned suddenly, and her captors were pruposely trying to hurt her, they didn't just move on like the moths did
when she did the haunting, it'd already been decades of her imprisonment, and she was looking for the one single hope that she could free herself

[stoic sigil]

Jim

[verbal steeple]

what happens to you specifically?

it seems like the radiance gives you a happy place when you're infected

[hardy tangle]

who tf is jim brah

[indigo jetty]

There's mark

[raw pawn]

Unn

[hardy tangle]

made greenpath and then neglected it after radiance popped up

[verbal steeple]

Mr Mushroom

[raw pawn]

No wait unn made greenpath bugs

[earnest drift]

the moth tribe only moved on from radiance, while the weavers imprisoned gms forcefully, there's a difference in intent

[verbal steeple]

mr mushroom is just chilling

[untold dune]

dear god someone already did it

[raw pawn]

Is mr mushroom a higher being

[verbal steeple]

he references hungry knight

[earnest drift]

also the radiance killed all of the moth tribe, while gms didn't consume widow and she loves lace (not in a good way)

[blissful rampart]

Unn made something but she's chill af

[verbal steeple]

in HK.

[hardy tangle]

hes like above that

[stoic sigil]

Mr Mushroom is the ultimate vagueposter

[indigo jetty]

Yeah, how is that sympathetic. GMS wasn't exactly good

[lusty grove]

yes

[hardy tangle]

no shes a lazy bum

[raw pawn]

Dude when I said go beat lost lace blindfolded I was joking 😭

[blissful rampart]

Bruh

[earnest drift]

she didn't do anything wrong before she got imprisoned

[verbal steeple]

the moth tribe didn't just MOVE ON from radiance

[lusty grove]

is Swift Step in 18 mins good?

[hardy tangle]

unn scratching her butt all day in her unn cave

[verbal steeple]

they abandoned a GOD that would disappear if they stopped worshipping it

[hardy tangle]

like go do something

[unkempt forge]

chat is this real

[indigo jetty]

The three kingdoms....

[earnest drift]

she was trapped and sleeping, and when whiteward happened (weavers/conductors fault btw), she saw it as a singular chance to possibly get out of her imprisonment

[untold dune]

yeah im chat

[earnest drift]

wdym

[verbal steeple]

they were willing to let a Higher being die because "err actually this wyrm seems cool"

[lusty grove]

now would she?

[hardy tangle]

but yeah unn is the most chill higher being but shes not chill enough

[unkempt forge]

oh dear

[lusty grove]

the Wyrm has free healthcare tho

[stoic sigil]

Radiance looks so floofy I wanna hug her

[verbal steeple]

well if you're infected u become stronger so

[copper hedge]

tbf she did call them "her divine daughters". if she told them were cave dwellers, then told you were then given ascension from her to be her own, it would have been ok.

[verbal steeple]

the radiance is giving free steroids

who doesn't want free steroids

[earnest drift]

also radiance destroyed a functional kingdom
when the weavers overthrew grand mother silk, they made pharloom so, so much worse

[raw pawn]

The weavers knew they were adopted 😔

[unkempt forge]

must pet all of the fluffy bugs, even the spiky ones

[indigo jetty]

Can't remember their names. But the bosses where you get the hearts, their kingdoms were essentially wiped out for not basically giving all rule to GMS

[stoic sigil]

GMS made a minor spelling mistake and got imprisoned for eternity

[verbal steeple]

i heard a theory that the weavers were the ones who trapped first sinner because they didn't want to believe that they weren't higher beings

[earnest drift]

karmelita and green prince's kingdoms were destroyed by the haunting, which happened after gms's imprisonment
the karak were destroyed by the citadel

[copper hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[verbal steeple]

the theory goes off the fact the symbols where first sinner is sealed looks the same as GMS being sealed. so it could only exist AFTER GMS was sealed

[copper hedge]

GMS be like:

[stoic sigil]

What if the Citadel

Like

[verbal steeple]

what if the citadel wasn't stupid and let groal rule over

[stoic sigil]

Built on top of FS prison

[verbal steeple]

they'd be so much happier

if they let groal take over

[earnest drift]

yes i think this is correct

[stoic sigil]

Yeah, he's great

[lusty grove]

is Lace in 21 minutes good time?

[copper hedge]

"Their shells are theirs. Their souls are theirs. Our love is forever."

[verbal steeple]

"yo chat i don't think we're gods"
"Mods, trap her in a cage"

[copper hedge]

GMS streaming

[trim estuary]

No

[copper hedge]

wait thats a funny setup

GMS is the streamer.
Weavers are her mods.
The Citadel are her viewers and subscribers.

FS got bagged

[verbal steeple]

this but instead its pilby

i hate him so much

[earnest drift]

so the mods rebelled against the streamer

and took over the stream

[verbal steeple]

what are the conductors

[earnest drift]

donating viewers

[raw pawn]

Btw since barbed bracelet doesn't increase the damage of voided enemies

Does it work against summoned savior?

[copper hedge]

the new mods after the first mods rebelled after

[stoic sigil]

"Chat we're not gonna peep the horror. Chat. Chaaat. Ok, ok, we'll peep the horror just this once"

ACT 3.
ABYSS.

[verbal steeple]

would GMS be a family youtuber

would she abuse phantom for subscribes and likes

[hardy tangle]

yesss

[copper hedge]

Grand Boston Jerma

[raw pawn]

The conductors were made the leaders of the citadel after the weavers escaped to hallownest

[earnest drift]

this isn't as bad as purposely putting a god to sleep permanently
unless they were breaking down statues of radiance, burning books about radiance, they weren't purposely trying to hurt radiance

[verbal steeple]

did they know that if they stopped worshipping her she would disappear?

[copper hedge]

"500 pilgrims compete for ascension for 50000 rosaries"

[verbal steeple]

i kinda assume they DID know since the moth lady seems to know

also was GMS seriously jailed for no reason?

[earnest drift]

yes

[earnest drift]

yeah, the weavers were just power hungry

[verbal steeple]

then they're assholes

[raw pawn]

That "I hunted 100 people" video but make it "I hunted 100 pilgrims" and replace Mr beast with lace

[stoic sigil]

I LOCKED 50 PILGRIMS IN THE CHAPEL OF THE BEAST! LAST ONE LEFT GETS 1 MILLION ROSARIES!

[verbal steeple]

"Last one to stop running wins ONE ROSARY!"

[lusty grove]

Mr. Beastfly

[raw pawn]

Mr 👀

[earnest drift]

also when pale king took over, hallownest got better
when the weavers took over, pharloom got much, much, much worse

[verbal steeple]

pale king took over hallownest and used the tax payer money for 20000 sawblades

[raw pawn]

Pharloom became worse after gms took over

Then the weavers

Then gms again

[earnest drift]

did gms hurt anyone before she got imprisoned

[verbal steeple]

phantom

[earnest drift]

phantom was made after she got imprisoned

[hardy tangle]

imagine radiance and pale king resolved their beef with rock paper scissors

[lusty grove]

I gotta learn the Fourth Chorus skip

[verbal steeple]

i mean the radiance probably wouldn't have had beef with the PK if she wasn't going to literally die

if the moth tribe didn't decide to leave a god to die the infection probably wouldn't happen

[earnest drift]

why did she wipe out her own tribe if she wanted to be remembered

[hardy tangle]

its rigged cus pk can see the future

[verbal steeple]

so. moral of the story? ig the moth tribe is to blame

why did the moth tribe make the radiance make the infection

[verbal steeple]

PK saw silksong

[hardy tangle]

and didnt tell us

[lusty grove]

kinda funny how the ideal speedrun doesn't include even looking at Sherma

[verbal steeple]

if he told us, it wouldn't happen

[hardy tangle]

no cost too great means silksong will be $80

[verbal steeple]

he instilled a thought into THK so HK would happen

[verbal steeple]

silksong costed $20 because it didn't have enough sawblades to make the $80 dollar price tag worth it

[verbal steeple]

i wish the ideal speedrun had pilby die

[copper hedge]

this would happen

[verbal steeple]

i wonder what would happen if the snail shaman was able to recruit groal

[stoic sigil]

Fun fact: Hollow Knight Silksong

[verbal steeple]

cool fact

[lusty grove]

is getting to Bellhart in 33 minutes good time?

[lusty grove]

damn, I got through Far Fields and Greymoor in 12 minutes

[earnest drift]

would groal and hornet end up working together

[verbal steeple]

if groal was chiller. maybe

[earnest drift]

what if everyone who hated the citadel teamed up with hornet

[ashen steeple]

its very minor but i wish you could control which direction you got launched off bellbeast

[earnest drift]

that would be: the stilkin, green prince, (maybe) the skarr

lace killed a lot of the citadel but in the present the entire citadel is dead and it's only haunted by gms now

[lusty grove]

randomizer gave me trauma of those little guys

[earnest drift]

can randomiser summon lost lace

[copper hedge]

maybe

[lusty grove]

it never happened to me

[verbal steeple]

i don't think it can

[earnest drift]

0/10 randomiser

[verbal steeple]

iirc some bosses can't be summoned if they require specific arena stuff

[earnest drift]

doesn't give more of the best enemy

[copper hedge]

mejhina fohra

[verbal steeple]

well phantom spawns

quite a bunch actually

[earnest drift]

ok randomiser redeemed itself

[lusty grove]

and Groal

[earnest drift]

10/10, would be 15/10 if it summoned lost lace

[lusty grove]

Groal spawns a LOT

[winged current]

Bene freng?

[copper hedge]

well groal is indeed great

garama, or G A R A M A?

(regular or beast crest taunt)

[balmy wraith]

grama

[lusty grove]

Guaraná

[copper hedge]

wdym antarctica

[raw pawn]

Drosi calimo

[copper hedge]

sea of sorrow tomorrow

[earnest drift]

snitch pick

[lusty grove]

just did the guarana skip

AND THEN I FUCKING DIED

ON STEEL SOUL

[copper hedge]

phacia skip with one mask. and i survived

not even on a steelsoul save too

[lusty grove]

Phacia is the flower bug, right?

[copper hedge]

yea

[lusty grove]

well, that run was unoptimized anyway

btw, how does one skip Bell Beast?

[copper hedge]

tbf you can just farm the phacia and re-enter the room to respawn them again to farm silk and bind

[lusty grove]

yeah but it wastes time

[copper hedge]

if you're speedrunning in steelsoul, bruh

but ig you do you

[lusty grove]

does anyone have an answer to this question?

[copper hedge]

uhhhh..... wormways

you get to shellwood easily

[lusty grove]

oh

[copper hedge]

then you can go around

[lusty grove]

okay, I won't do that

[tawny dome]

Just beat the game on my Nintendo Switch

[ashen steeple]

Isnt there a free tool slot you can unlock that works for both yellow and blue tools

For all crests

[spark anchor]

Yes, the vesticrest

[fallow sorrel]

Yes

[ashen steeple]

I thought eva gave it to you

[woeful matrix]

you need to get enough memory lockets

[spark anchor]

It gives a reason to unlock crests even if you don’t use them

[ashen steeple]

Oh ok

[neon geyser]

yes
its for 12 and 20 cumulative open tool slots on non hunter crests

[spark anchor]

She only acknowledges tool/skill slots NOT on hunter crest

You can get eva upgrades earlier if you don’t unlock hunter crest slots

[regal isle]

sahur substance

[blissful rampart]

Rosary grinding build

[earnest drift]

• discourages expanding hunter crest
• rewards player for this by upgrading hunter crest
  ok team cherry

[fallow sorrel]

Put that shit in a vessel

[spark anchor]

Bravo team cherry

[frosty kelp]

I suggest cogflies

[blissful rampart]

fuck no

[frosty kelp]

and wanderer crest

[blissful rampart]

ew

[frosty kelp]

???

you're grinding not boss fighting

[blissful rampart]

it's for grinding rosaries

[earnest drift]

don't use red tools for grinding

[frosty kelp]

also use sharp dart

[blissful rampart]

why would I waste shards?

[fallow sorrel]

Anything but cross stitch, use thread storm or smth

[blissful rampart]

exactly

[frosty kelp]

cus you get them while grinding rosaries

also there's like a 700 shards in 20 minutes farms next to the grand reed farm

[spark anchor]

Grand reeds don’t give enough shell shards to compensate for two flintslates

[fallow sorrel]

Cross stitch is good but not with snitch pick, whether you kill or not

[blissful rampart]

cross stitch is for the circlet trick

[earnest drift]

really? i thought they complemented each other well

[frosty kelp]

there's a 700 shard in 20 minutes farm just above the grand reed farm

[blissful rampart]

and?

i don't really care

[frosty kelp]

I would suggest making the rosary farm faster

[fallow sorrel]

Ahhh

[earnest drift]

clawline isn't as useful if you have ranged skills and red tools, so i usually use snitch pick with cross stitch, cogflies and delver's drill

[blissful rampart]

as you can see I don't really use very many red tools

[vale whale]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-it-murray-bauman-stranger-things-break-it-hit-it-gif-25959773

[fallow sorrel]

Snitch pick is good if you dont wanna kill cuz it doesnt add to the rosary count, only allows you to get it without killing. Clawline is long range so if you wanted to do damage with a silk skill while using snitch pick smth like... like... the long one would be best. Name evaded me.

[blissful rampart]

also

I think my method is fast enough

[frosty kelp]

so use the 700 shard farm per minute

[blissful rampart]

no point

[frosty kelp]

in fact rosaries already farm shards

use them to buy shard bundles

[earnest drift]

i do not understand the last part

[fallow sorrel]

Long attack

Throw

[blissful rampart]

I literally said I don't use red tools very much

[balmy talon]

bruh i thought i heard an owl it was just my mam screaming

[frosty kelp]

cogflies -> faster rosaires -> more shards

[earnest drift]

why would you use a long ranged silk skill and snitch pick together

[blissful rampart]

because I don't really like them

[fallow sorrel]

Faraway

[fallow sorrel]

Cuz clawline is long ranged??

[blissful rampart]

that's slower

smh

[earnest drift]

but if one weapon is already covering long range, you don't need another

[frosty kelp]

it makes the farm faster and just buy shard bundles 😭

[blissful rampart]

no

[earnest drift]

and you can't use them at the same time

[blissful rampart]

you farm your way, I'll farm my way

[fallow sorrel]

Good point ig

[earnest drift]

ok hang on let me do the math

[blissful rampart]

time to go buy out Grindle's shop

[balmy talon]

[exotic dome]

https://tenor.com/view/trobbio-hollow-knight-silksong-never-forget-who-was-there-for-u-at-ur-lowest-green-gif-10038706922124382739

[frosty kelp]

Bro I farm the double cycle in 45 seconds (330)

[blissful rampart]

all gone lmao

[regal isle]

zgrobio

[tall surge]

whats the best place to farm for the brood (or runtfeast for me) quest

[regal isle]

citadel

or

[blissful rampart]

in bilewater in the room next to the bellway

[regal isle]

wait did u do the gauntlet for the vaultbabies

[tall surge]

citadels like one fourth the fucking map man you gotta be a lil more specific

[copper hedge]

just anywhere with many enemies

[regal isle]

thats a good source, whispering vaults gauntlet babies

[sharp slate]

why farm in silksong when i can install the glory of DEBUG MOD, my beloved

[earnest drift]

a grand reed has 130 hp, it takes 2.6 cogflies to get through that, at 10 shards per cogfly, you're spending 26 shards to kill a grand reed

a grand reed drops 32 rosaries and 5 shell shards, at the rosary-shard exchange of 5:8, that's 56.2 shards from killing a grand reed

so it's not a net loss if you use cogflies for farming, but you'd still get much more done without using red tools

[frosty kelp]

I had 10k rosaries and all strings and necklaces before dying to lost lace but atp I bought everything 😂

[blissful rampart]

I don't care

[fallow sorrel]

Hating to hate atp dude

[frosty kelp]

Ok enjoy farming slower 👍

[sharp slate]

hot take the existence of talking about rosary farms shows a problem with the silksong economy/rosary amounts 😎

[blissful rampart]

lmao

[earnest drift]

eh it's better than hollow knight's

[blissful rampart]

agreed

[sharp slate]

hard disagree, besides the unbreakables

[fallow sorrel]

Pharloom's economy is the best! Nothing is better than great Pharloom!

[sharp slate]

unbreakables are bullshit

[vestal flicker]

in a narrative sense, definitely not otherwise

[earnest drift]

hollow knight had you paying 2000 geo for a nail upgrade and over 10k for unbreakables

[frosty kelp]

1800 for Lumafly 🔥 everything is definitely better except for unbreakable

[copper hedge]

pharloomian detected

[regal isle]

atleast geo was easy to farm (hoppers)

[sharp slate]

tbf 2k in hk is life nothing

[copper hedge]

deploying ICBmushrooms

[fallow sorrel]

I looooove Pharloom.

[frosty kelp]

2k cheap trust

[scarlet karma]

15k *

[daring basin]

But also geo is made of fossils and old bug shells, so…

[earnest drift]

silksong has one item, total, that costs over 1000

[frosty kelp]

Yeah but every bench costs rosaries

[fallow sorrel]

1 rosary is 500 geo trust

[sharp slate]

at least the unbreakables arent require for 100% rosary grinding grand reeds for 100% speedrun achievement will be burned into my fucking brain

[earnest drift]

never had a problem with this

oh wait the most expensive nail upgrade is 4000

[sharp slate]

tbh a lot of the early game benches cost rosaries, but intresting how late ones are free

[lusty grove]

I don't think rosaries perfectly translate to some amount of Geo

[misty delta]

15k for unbreakable strength 😭

[fallow sorrel]

There's likely to be some sort of exchange rate at the very least, and probably some reliable way to compare it somehow like Bellways or Benches or some shop item.

[sharp slate]

tbh unbreakables are a scam once you learn about them since they dont break in godhome anyway

[exotic dome]

environmental storytelling moment

[earnest drift]

underworks is peak

[sharp slate]

Eh I guess, i dont like the whole money as a story telling device tbh

[lusty grove]

Geo in HK gets less and less valuable as the game progresses, while Rosaries keep their prices basically the same throughout the game

[sharp slate]

i get the theme of underworks without scrounging for rosaries tbh

[exotic dome]

it's good if it was balanced in some areas

[earnest drift]

the only thing they didn't do was make the economy hyperinflate in act 3

[lusty grove]

also, both Bellways and Benches have varying prices

[earnest drift]

because the world was ending

[fallow sorrel]

You havent lived if you didnt enter underworks on 2 rosarys and get yo shit slapped 500 times cuz you cant get a bench

[lusty grove]

it'd be weird if the poor lower class working bugs had dozens of rosaries with them

[misty delta]

cogs has one of the best soundtracks in the game

[sharp slate]

lets be brutally honest, no one would really notice/care

[exotic dome]

yeah only flick says rosaries isn't important anymore

[lusty grove]

I NOTICED, I CARED

[sharp slate]

oh no the enemy drops 12 rosaries my immersion

[lusty grove]

ALL OF US DID

[fallow sorrel]

So does Hollow Knight, there has to be something similar enough between the two games to compare right?

[lusty grove]

IT'S THE COOLEST PART OF THE GAME

THOSE SMALL DETAILS IS WHAT MAKES THIS GOOD

[fallow sorrel]

I like the fights

[earnest drift]

the citadel dropping so many rosaries while underworks drops nothing is good for the narrative

[lusty grove]

honestly, I don't think so
HK doesn't really have an "economy"

[sharp slate]

i like small details that dont directly hinder gameplay, heck needolin at threadstorm guanlet is a cool small detail

[earnest drift]

hollow knight's economy is weird

[lusty grove]

the world kinda ended, and there's a total of 3 people that use Geo

[fallow sorrel]

The grand reeds being tall is good for the act 4

[lusty grove]

cuz there isn't one

[fallow sorrel]

Needo what huh

[earnest drift]

currency is everywhere so everything has to be hyper expensive to compensate

[vestal flicker]

pale king allocated all of his work into the geo manufacture sector

[misty delta]

i feel like silksong was more based on working up the social pyramid if that makes sense

[earnest drift]

nailsmith asking for 4000 geo only to be suicidal immnediately after

[fallow sorrel]

Pale King had a slaughterhouse so he could get geo from people

[sharp slate]

if you use needolin at the threadstorm gaunlet some of the craws will fly away

you only have to fight the bigger ones

[lusty grove]

it's weird

[sharp slate]

tbh it probably makes the fight harder tbh

[exotic dome]

geo is so worthless that the only outsiders are the grimm troupe and they sell unbreakable charms for 10k+

[lusty grove]

Geo is more symbolic than anything in HK

[fallow sorrel]

Theres a threadstoem gauntlet? You mean the one that unlocks the balloons?

[sharp slate]

yea

[lusty grove]

none of the Geo users could ever use that Geo to buy anything

[fallow sorrel]

Ahh

[lusty grove]

since there's no economy

[vestal flicker]

Not as much as rosaries

[lusty grove]

rosaries are an actual currency, Geo means nothing anymore

[fallow sorrel]

Yeah im sitting on the fattest stack of geo to ever exist (that totally wasnt modded in)

[lusty grove]

the kingdom that used Geo collapsed and a total of 4 people are left that use it

[vestal flicker]

Rosaries are a symbol of faith

[earnest drift]

this is called good writing

[lusty grove]

I KNOW
but they can be used to buy and sell stuff

they serve as currency

[vestal flicker]

true I suppose

[earnest drift]

also i love the strung rosary mechanic

[lusty grove]

Geo doesn't, since there's no one to trade with

[vestal flicker]

Yeah that's neat

[fallow sorrel]

Ive never played fallout but would I be right in saying that geo is similar to the caps where they arent really currency but people still use them

[earnest drift]

rosaries being strung from the ceiling, actual necklaces to collect and the covetous pilgrim are peak

[lusty grove]

the Knight is the only one moving the economy in HK

[sharp slate]

I like it alot, but i wasted a shit ton of rosaries on it because i didnt know it cost rosaries at first

[earnest drift]

covetous pilgrim in godhome

[vestal flicker]

Me when my one silver rosary rolls away to the spikes 🥹

[fallow sorrel]

I strung my rosaries once cuz i was curious what it did

Never again

[lusty grove]

yall seem to forget that HK is basically a dead world full of corpses where you sometimes find a person, and Silksong is a live world full of people where you sometimes find a corpse

[sharp slate]

i honestly didnt lose a single rosary to the death mechanic lol

[lusty grove]

those two won't have comparable economies

[fallow sorrel]

And they both have a mass infection

[frosty kelp]

Cus we have less rosaries early game and more rosaries late game so bench coating rosaries doesnt matter

[lusty grove]

the Haunting isn't an infection, technically

[fallow sorrel]

I guess but it's close enough, turns everyone into mindless zombies

[earnest drift]

except the citadel, they were massacred

[sharp slate]

Fair, that makes sense

[copper hedge]

mass puppetering

[lusty grove]

and the Infection isn't a pandemic
the only real pandemic we have is the Lifeblood stuff at Wormways

[frosty kelp]

Yeah cus the 120 rosaries benches don't mean anything to my 10k I literally have nothing to spend on idk if there are 120 rosary benches

[copper hedge]

you can even say the haunting was a collective consciousness

[dreamy tangle]

thats actually an epidemic

[lusty grove]

it IS a collective consciousness

[fallow sorrel]

What's your source?

[lusty grove]

yeah true

[lusty grove]

have you played the game?

[fallow sorrel]

Metal gear

[dreamy tangle]

actually an endemic

[copper hedge]

revengeance

[fallow sorrel]

YEARGHHHHH

[copper hedge]

fuck i keep remembering the christmas version aishdjowhdnx

[fallow sorrel]

I knew i wasnt grasping at nothing when you said collective consciousness, i knew it was metal gear i knew it

I didnt make it the fuck up

[lusty grove]

it's out of control, it's an epidemic

[copper hedge]

if u guys dont know, collective consciousness has the same bpm as all i want for christmas is you

[fallow sorrel]

Guys guys, its an epipen

[fallow sorrel]

I love it so much cuz every christmas i show my friends

[near mirage]

coral tower lowkey light work

[dreamy tangle]

the severity doesnt matter when classifying it
endemic: one singular region inside a country
epidemic: usually a whole country or continent
pandemic: entire world

[copper hedge]

THE UNENLIGHTED MASSES
THEY CANNOT MAKE THE JUDGEMENT CALL

[lusty grove]

imagine at the end of Act 3, all the pilgrims happy and all, then someone goes to Wormways and it's all fucked up

[lusty grove]

well, Wormways is a whole area, which could count as an epidemic

[fallow sorrel]

If some random bastard in pharloom thinks about the radiance and gets infected is that a pandemic now

[dreamy tangle]

i dont think so
there probably are many other kingdoms in the qorld of hollow knight

[fallow sorrel]

Thats a region, pharloom and hallownest are countries (kingdoms but you get it)

[copper hedge]

city of steel when

[fallow sorrel]

Nah pale king said there wasnt trust

[vestal flicker]

second dlc I predict or in another game

[dreamy tangle]

true

[vestal flicker]

don't expect it to be thriving though

[copper hedge]

just steel people

[lusty grove]

I feel like the definitions would be different in HK cuz "the entire world" is so damn big and it's almost impossible to go from one kingdom to another

[copper hedge]

MORE POGOABLE NPCS

[vestal flicker]

nah they will all be wearing steel helmets and be immune to pogos

[fallow sorrel]

For all we know there could be 50 other kingdsoms 5 minutes outside of cliffs

[copper hedge]

that would be a funny idea if tc adds a secret that is only accessible via pogoing each npc

a secret ledge

[cunning geode]

nobody tell him

[fallow sorrel]

In coral tower

[lusty grove]

Hallownest called itself "the last and only civilization", so the closest kingdom must've been like, thousands of miles away

[fallow sorrel]

Is this a real fuckinf sceret

[fallow sorrel]

Pale King gaslighting

[fallow sorrel]

THERES NO WAY

[copper hedge]

that was cut content. formerly for voltnest, but it got changed

[scarlet karma]

…

[copper hedge]

wait what

[fallow sorrel]

Please i need to know

[lusty grove]

imagine you just came from some other kingdom and got to Hallownest and there's a sign saying that your kingdom doesn't exist

[scarlet karma]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[fallow sorrel]

Gaslighting

[cunning geode]

colonialism

[near mirage]

just beat crust king khann

[fallow sorrel]

Probably to stop people leaving hallownest as they lose the stuff that pk gave them then

[copper hedge]

"i demand to see this Hallownest's manager"

[fallow sorrel]

IS THIS A REAL DAMN SCRRWT

[scarlet karma]

you didn’t know?

[cunning geode]

sometimes I do enjoy a little chaos

[fallow sorrel]

I disnt

[scarlet karma]

it’s not for 100%

js an Easter egg

lore related abt mister mushroom

[fallow sorrel]

What does pogoing on every npc do

[cunning geode]

https://tenor.com/view/trollin-trolling-begin-the-trolling-gif-22096475

[fallow sorrel]

OH FUCK OFF

[copper hedge]

silkposted

[scarlet karma]

https://tenor.com/view/a-true-skonger-hornet-silksong-silkpost-animal-instinct-gif-2410519712820608891

[shell grotto]

Hey

Can I get some help?

[scarlet karma]

hi!

[sharp slate]

silkposts 🤢

[copper hedge]

drop the question

[scarlet karma]

sure! ask away

[fallow sorrel]

My instinct requires me to say no but ask for proof otherwise i will never believe anything

[shell grotto]

Its in #sk-help

[fallow sorrel]

Guess you could say its a bit of a...

Ultra instinct

[shell grotto]

But nobody helping ;-;

[raw pawn]

DAMN YOU CAN OVERDOSE WITH HUNTER IN STEEL SOUL

This is so great

[vestal flicker]

good times before September 4th

[scarlet karma]

yessir

[copper hedge]

ya

[balmy talon]

wait

[raw pawn]

[balmy talon]

https://tenor.com/view/gerard-way-mcr-my-chemical-romance-dance-dancing-gif-4822504118526216459

i got image perms yay

[copper hedge]

skedaddle

[raw pawn]

Jerma is canon in silksong btw

[copper hedge]

he peeped the horror

[balmy talon]

classic skong npc

[vale whale]

garmond is definitely inspired by siegmeyer

except he can actually fight

[raw pawn]

Garmond is inspired by jerma

[fallow sorrel]

Jerma is inspired by zaza

[cunning geode]

what about sherma

[rocky jolt]

https://tenor.com/bVCRX.gif