hk-lore

[scenic surge]

they are putting the regular citizens of hallownest as gods

That's the point where I'm saying this ain't actually talking about gods

[fossil ferry]

godseekers be worshipping ANYTHING but the literal god of void so i'd imagine they'd want to collect all the support they can

[scenic surge]

because what isn't a god

if a regular bug is

Like I'm sorry are there quadrillion gods in hollow knights universe

[fading crane]

Not necessarily

[fossil ferry]

false knight is sure as hell not one but it got on there because it was on the godseeker's radar

[fading crane]

"no bug. No beast. No god"

[scenic surge]

you know how many random vengeflies there are

If you put the most regular vengefly in the god of halls

then what are we doing

Like are you telling me a vengefly that can be killed by elder bug is a god

well yeah of course they are we got a backround statue of a husk bully

[rugged comet]

Hall of Gods: Knight Attuned

Unlocked:
Not bug, nor beast, nor god.

@nostor_10. used /godhome category: Hall of Gods - Bottom row name: Knight Attuned

[indigo venture]

A god for the Godseekers are just bugs they want to attune to

[scenic surge]

you're telling me they want to attune to a husk bully

you know how many husk bullies there are mega

[indigo venture]

TK isn't considered a god due to spite from Godseekers, they hate It's trespassing

[indigo venture]

Hey don't judge me

Judge the Godseekers

[fossil ferry]

I suppose so

[indigo venture]

They are forced to begin paying attention to TK after it becomes a Higher Being proper

[scenic surge]

atp just attune to elder bug

[fading crane]

Why?

[indigo venture]

It's trespassing

[fossil ferry]

they are "attuned to their finest form" so i would ASSUME these husks must be moderately strong, but not enough we actually get to fight them. They are simply NOT worth of the pantheons.

[fading crane]

Abs Radiance too

[indigo venture]

AbsRadiance is invited?

[scenic surge]

abs accepted their call

same for nightmare heart

[fading crane]

Oh

[indigo venture]

Godhome is all about getting radiance into, Well, Godhome

[scenic surge]

grimm outright states that they got called in my the godseeker

[rugged comet]

Hunter's Journal: Troupe Master Grimm

Description:
Master of the Grimm Troupe.

Hunter's notes:
"Through dream I travel, at lantern's call,
To consume the flames of a kingdom's fall."
- Grimm

Dream Nail:
(In Dirtmouth)
The Flame...
The Ritual...
The Troupe...

(In Godhome)
How grand a stage!
A charming ritual... a pleasure!
An honour, Seeker, to attend your call!

@megathekindly used /journal name: Troupe Master Grimm

[scenic surge]

grimms dream nail dialogue also state that the nightmare heart was invited

[indigo venture]

Well, Grimm was invited

I don't remember if TNH ever shows up

[scenic surge]

what the christ is the finest form of a bug bully, they don't even know how to fight

their just random regular citizens

who got infected

[indigo venture]

I mean Primal Aspids show up in The Collector's

[scenic surge]

and why is there a vengefly statue in the god of halls

[indigo venture]

They're strong enough

[scenic surge]

I get a vengefly king

[indigo venture]

The bar of "Strength" is very low, if you couldn't tell

[scenic surge]

BUT A vengefly?

[indigo venture]

Barely above Zote

I mean a Vengefly is still like Miles ahead of Zote

but you get my point

[fossil ferry]

non infected and trained in combat i assume

[scenic surge]

atp just put in a sentry

they are actual well trained troops of hallownest

[indigo venture]

Why would their "Finest Form" get sudden training

[fossil ferry]

also i only learnt like last month "god conjured by the lonely" for zote god is talking about bretta and not the big z

[fossil ferry]

hmmm

[fossil ferry]

both of these are fair points

my counter argument?

i have no idea.

[indigo venture]

Like the Godly Focus only improves what's already there

Mostly just in raw power and strength

No sudden Skills and Shi'

[scenic surge]

yk god seeker must really hate the troops of hallownest to not include in the damn great sentries

who are said to actual be a threat

[indigo venture]

They prob there

Somewhere

There's a lot of statues we don't see

but should be there considering the logic being set up

[scenic surge]

but the damn bug bully statue is the closest goddamn it ;-;

[indigo venture]

Womp womp

[scenic surge]

atp mega I think godseeker deserved their fate

they deserved it

I feel no remorse

[indigo venture]

I mean

They just get to enjoy having the God of Gods

A pretty happy ending I suppose

[scenic surge]

yk I wonder if they have a crawlid there somewhere

maybe they even have a random maggot

[indigo venture]

Certainly

[indigo venture]

False Knight

[scenic surge]

false knight is at least in hegemols armor

Speaking of why isn't hegemol in there, he's literally one of the strongest mortals in hollow knight

if you include the damn ghosts of xero

get hegemol in there

maybe get vespa, idk

You summon sly

get vepsa in there

[indigo venture]

Gameplay

[scenic surge]

this thing is above the knight

Canon

it's canon that this thing is a god higher then the knight

[latent karma]

so is vengefly king

[fading crane]

Sea of Sorrow, we need a good definition to god

[scenic surge]

We do have a good definition of god

it's the higher beings

their the ones that usually get the term god placed on them with it actually sticking

[latent karma]

no we dont, venefly king is called a god in the godhome

[scenic surge]

we don't talk about godhome

[latent karma]

higher beings are just higher beings

[fading crane]

...
God in the Godseeker sense

[indigo venture]

They're also referred to as Gods Silly

[scenic surge]

gods in the godseeker sense will never be explained

[fading crane]

All Higher Beings are gods, but not all gods are Higher Beings

[latent karma]

true, i meant that higher beings are exclusively gods

[rugged comet]

Developer comment: Higher Beings

According to William Pellen, Higher Beings are creatures in the world of Hollow Knight that exist above all others.

Source

@megathekindly used /dev-comments source: Reddit name: Higher Beings

[latent karma]

what nostos said

[scenic surge]

atp we've gotten a lot more context then just that

their also got a divine origin

They're all divine in a way

[indigo venture]

"Above all Others"

[scenic surge]

like in their damn bodies

[indigo venture]

||GMS:||

[latent karma]

does Unn have a divine origin

[indigo venture]

Ye

[scenic surge]

yes

[indigo venture]

I mean they are a Higher Being

They must

But we don't know what exactly

[latent karma]

unn 🤝 nyleth

[indigo venture]

Who's ||Nyleth||

[scenic surge]

Nyleth wishes they were unn

[indigo venture]

[indigo venture]

Ye

[latent karma]

||alive||

[scenic surge]

I more so meant being a higher being

as their a mortal

[latent karma]

nyleth not a higher being 😭

[scenic surge]

what made you think they were?

their stated not to be

their one of the old hearts

[latent karma]

i suppose i just assumed things given statue. but yea no lore there

[scenic surge]

and is packed in with the other mortals

[latent karma]

i wish nyleth had more lore

but so do i wish for unn

more plant beings lore

[ivory zenith]

Does he have Hornet in mind

or THK?

[near sequoia]

THK likely

[indigo venture]

THK

[scenic surge]

THK

[ivory zenith]

other vessels

[near sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-beans-beans-dung-defender-hollow-knight-hk-gif-21798162

[hot lily]

THK

[bleak isle]

I HAVE SOMETHING TO SUPPORT A THEORY

[hot lily]

2 things:

• no allcaps
• what is the theory

[bleak isle]

The theory of lifeblood being the same as the infection

I was streaming today on ps4 then I decided to invert colors for the fun of it. Then I noticed that the lifeblood color and the infection colors are inverted versions of each other

[hot lily]

it's not literally the same but it has some similarities

[bleak isle]

Which would mean infection hurts and it's inverted brother heals(ish)

[quick light]

to answer your theory, infection is corruption and lifeblood is life

[latent karma]

i dont think lifeblood is life, given it also consumes

[bleak isle]

Exactly

But just invert the color of the infection and you'll see what I'm talking about.

[digital ibex]

If all endings in hk are canon according to tc, then how is sealed siblings canon to silksong??

[young rain]

it's not canon to sk

[digital ibex]

Like, hornet is just stuck there unconcious

[young rain]

it's canon to hk

[digital ibex]

Which ending(s) is/are canon to silksing then?

All but sealed siblings?

And flower god of the void

[young rain]

i think it's DNM

[digital ibex]

Ig the only ending that would be canon to silksong is Dream no more

[digital ibex]

Because in the two godhome endings, the knight becomes the god of the void, and in sk we see the knight not as the god of the void, and in sealed siblings, hornet is stuck. And in the other ending, the knight seals the infection, so it's shade can't be in the void in silksong. So dream no more has to be the only canon-to-silksong ending.

[fleet condor]

Yea since the ghost died

[latent karma]

here's how i interpret the endings:
silksong could be taking place a very very long time after hk's events. so every ending can work
hornet could've been locked up inside in sealed siblings can be freed by another vessel trying to take the infection away from the knight. the new vessel would free hornet while doing that (hornet wouldnt have to be killed to break the seal beacuse she's inside, if anyone ever reaches inside it has to find another way anyways)
in either this or the base ending, a new vessel in the attempt to take the infection could trigger a dream no more ending. where the knight can free its shade similar to how hk freed their shade during DNM
we'd also need to assume the knight can learn to become the god of shades on its own. there is a possibility god seekers are still around and knight can attune gods there

all this to stay, i think its possible, though unlikely, that other endings could be canon

[covert goblet]

ooo we talking about canon endings

my interpretation is that the flashing shade lord implies it could either be DNM or the base godhome ending

[covert goblet]

wait wait how is this vessel opening the black egg i’m not tracking

[latent karma]

the ending i have zero idea about is the godhome one with the flower. the only guess i have is the flower worked similar to snare setter by the shamans, and teleports everyone into the void lake. and if that's the case radiance is basically absorbed by the lake ig and nothing else changes

[covert goblet]

true, if it is a portal thing then it should be canon to silksong as well

[latent karma]

im stretching things there yea, my assumption is there could be a way in without opening the entrance. other parts of the black egg weakening over long periods of time

[covert goblet]

the way i see it is that hornet is literally stuck in there like

forever

i highly doubt there would be another way in with the amount of protection on the main entrance

but perhaps it could weaken

[latent karma]

my mind goes to how whatever seal was on hornet breaking via a silkfly. maybe the citadel cast have a way to break the seal without killing a dreamer like that

[covert goblet]

was there even a seal on the cage ?

[latent karma]

let me cehck

[covert goblet]

i guess it kinda looks like it but all that happens is hornet uses the silk from the fly to use thread storm or something and blow up the cage

[latent karma]

ok there wasnt a seal my bad

still, seals being permanent i dont think should be possible. otherwise why would weavers make the cradle as a trap

gotta be a limit somewhere

[covert goblet]

perhaps the seals were very advanced and only learned about by the soul scholars or something

but i feel like anything the soul scholars learned would already be known by the shamans

[latent karma]

weavers made the seals for the pale king

[covert goblet]

oh did they ?

i did not know that

[latent karma]

let me find the source

Pharloom

Hornet was taken to Pharloom in a cage by bugs of the Citadel's caste.[7] This cage was protected by a seal.[8]

it was a seal

[covert goblet]

hm

what was the seal bound to though

[latent karma]

An unfinished or a prototype version of the Seal of Binding can be found in a hidden room in Weavers' Den. It is missing several lines and geometrical shapes that are present in the full seal.

[covert goblet]

must’ve been pretty weak to just shatter like that

[latent karma]

given the seal's apperance in the weaver's den, it looks to be made by weaving silk

[covert goblet]

gotcha

[latent karma]

and given how many seals there are in the game, i dont think it requires being bound to someone

[covert goblet]

maybe other kinds of seals

i’d imagine a seal of binding would require being bound to someone

but maybe there was a different type of weaker seal on the cage

[latent karma]

seal of binding has the apperance of hk, but hk isnt bound to it. there's a possibility that hornet's face being on the black egg is just hornet weaving a seal of binding rather than being bound to it

[covert goblet]

does it not take the appearance of the dreamers ?

it would be safe to imagine hornet weaving a seal but why would she do it while still in there

[latent karma]

well, the black egg door seal is made of imagery of hk and pale king. dreamers masks are just physically put on top of the egg door. though they also have seals on them that breaks when u kill the dreamers

hornet's face appearing on the door doesnt necessarily imply bounding seal

we dont really know how dreamers were bound to a seal. i'd assume someone outside made the seal and bound their essence or something

would we weird if the egg just makes a seal for u

[latent karma]

my guess would be self sacrifice like the knight?

like hk self sacrificed, before they were freed

[ebon patio]

don't think hornet was expecting the knight to ignore her and kill thk

i don't think should would've binded it herself

also even in normal ending, the door automatically makes a seal by itself even without anyone actively making it

[latent karma]

oh i forgot that lmao

i think with that my theory would be, the egg has some spell or something that creates seals when the door closes. but this seal is easier to break than if the seal was bound by someone outside. we know that the dreamer's seals are separate from the door's full seal and u have to remove the dreamer's seals to break the door seal

so maybe the door seal just creates seals based on who's inside but doesnt bound

we dont know if hornet's dreamer seal is on the door or not, maybe it is. but with that being vague one can assume its not a dreamer bound seal

[tardy topaz]

in terms of HK's endings' canonicity to SK I believe the most likely options would be the 2 in which TK is capable of reaching the Void sea. I mean, in bound endings he's unlikely to do so. so my guesses would be Dream No More and Godseeker Flower. in DNM TK's shell is cracked but there is this void on the ground so it might've somehow leaked all the way down to the void. the most likely one is Flower in which it we have grounds for speculating they got transported into the Void

[loud crater]

Its able to reach the Abyss in ETV(plus its variant) and DNM.

[hot lily]

it's DNM or ETV

[sand stump]

It's EtV or DNM and I say this because they're able to get to The Abyss either way but also because
Biiig Silksong spoiler ahead
|| When Hornet uses the Everbloom in Pharloom we see that the VGForm is returned to just base void, so it is more likely that they were reduced to base form/trapped in the dream than being teleported across the region imo||

[jaunty mulch]

2nd endingn was more peak but

Who is Lost Lace anyway

Like whys she important like

[sand stump]

Spoiler skong shtuff

[jaunty mulch]

Huh?

[sand stump]

Silksong things need to be spoilered here

[jaunty mulch]

This is lore no? Cant talk abt Knight saving her life ? Ow

[sand stump]

#sk-lore is for Silksong topics, if it's brought up here it gotta be censored

[gilded ravine]

yo

[fading crane]

Reduced to base form/trapped in the dream? Wdym?

[sand stump]

I mean that when they were touched by the flower they had just turned into Void and were no longer VGForm
And I'm saying that the likes of Godseeker and the Shades could just be trapped in Godhome

[fading crane]

Why Shades and Godseeker could be trapped in Godhome?

[sand stump]

Because they are transported into the dream and dreams linger even when they are dead.

[fading crane]

[hot lily]

||i don't think VH's power was reduced at all||

[stiff tendon]

AHHHHHHHGH

[turbid plinth]

I want more lore on the land of storms sm😔

Oh I forgot that's my name here

Ew the font makes it look bad

[tame jackal]

Frrrr

Like its so cool and all we have are 2 relitavely hard to reach areas 😭😭😭😭

[compact berry]

What are these bugs called? Grimm Troupe pets outside his tent

I can't post a picture 🙁

They are kind of like giraffes. Long necks. Red body. I don't know about four legs

[loud crater]

Grimmsteeds I think.

[compact berry]

I searched up the word. It is them! Thanks!

[gaunt brook]

what is our main character as we play as real name? like an official lore accurate version.|| vessel, ghost, lil knight, some even say the king himself???||

[loud crater]

The only name its ever really called is "Ghost" but the community calls it The Knight.

[near sequoia]

The Godmaster description calls it The Knight too iirc but that's out of universe

[tough jetty]

Pretty sure tc called it the knight

[tough jetty]

vh?
also i assumed ||because void is a liquid(?) that tk just like swam or moved through it||

substance

whatever it is

pool so i assume liquid

[young horizon]

What Hornet's dialogue has her reciting the Bible?

cannot find it at all

[hot lily]

...none?

who the fuck said that to you?

[young horizon]

My sleep deprivation

[signal marlin]

cro theyre trolling

[latent karma]

sad

[grave dew]

yoo please give me vc access

😭

[latent karma]

weird lore

[violet owl]

hollow knight screaming tickle silksong pickle

[weary echo]

[light bane]

Hey guys I have a question about "Higher beings these words are for you alone" lore tables
Are there any theories who made these and to whom they addressed?
(And also why 3 out of 4 tables kinda contradict each other)

[scenic surge]

specifically made by the Pale king

that's not even a theory

just a fact that it's by him

[light bane]

Could you please direct me to the source?

It sorta makes sense but I would like to know from where comes that knowledge

Because it definitely not follows from the tablet texts

[scenic surge]

there is literally one in ancient basin

where it talks about the vessel tragedy

it's pretty clear by that it's the Pale king

especially when one of them speaks of focusing soul

and basically nobody in hallownest can use soul

and it sure as hell wasn't the soul sanctum

[steep sand]

its not technically 100% sure that this is pk speaking
and one could also argue that the KP tablets are different (and tbh they are just... generally weird)

[scenic surge]

it's literally can only be the pk

[light bane]

Oh wait I forgot about this one

[steep sand]

like personally I wouldn't really overanalyse the KP tablets, in essence they are addressed to travellers entering hallownest, and they are also very much talking to the player who just booted the game to set a mood

[scenic surge]

all of them have lore

and also give the very false statement that hallownest is the last eternal kingdom

[light bane]

I'm on the quest of overanalyzing HK lore xD

[scenic surge]

what do you know about the higher beings

[steep sand]

yeah its propaganda to travellers

[scenic surge]

five great knights

the kingdoms

[scenic surge]

again the propaganda is god awful

[light bane]

Yep make sense

[scenic surge]

like seriously basically anybody that would come to hallownest as a traveller would know that's not even the case

it's honestly just kind of stupid to even exist

[steep sand]

id suggest you don't go too far into this
when you go too far it mostly just gets ugly, contradictory, nonsensical and full of secret tunnels

[scenic surge]

and given that hallownest was said to once have crowds of people coming in as a tourists, adventurers and the likes

[scenic surge]

since when

most of what you need to know is said......note I said most

[steep sand]

since vessel purity has been a topic
like look at me with a straight face and tell me that vessel purity is a topic for which we have a good answer considering the stakes of the question

[scenic surge]

the god forsaken colloseum of fools mystery and dead sire of deepnest are still just kicking around

[scenic surge]

they went on to on purpose make it dubious if the hollow knight was ever hollow

with all theo ther vessels it's clear they are impure

including our own

[steep sand]

is it clear that all vessels are unpure ?

that's... really bold of you to go and claim that

[light bane]

Well yeah HK intentionally obscure bc god damn dark souls and it's worldbuilding xD

[scenic surge]

I said other then the hollow knight

[scenic surge]

The sibling entry states that they are the lingering wills

so all of the discarded vessels there are impure yes

the broken vesel IS impure

the knight is impure and is said to be multiple times over

we have void heart, jinns dialogue, winged nosk, ss ending

jiji

hornet

and white lady questioning everything

to support that

[steep sand]

yeah it is, which is why looking for answers too deeply isn't good lol
if you look too deeply you start to analyse ink blobs

[scenic surge]

most things have straight answers

note I said most

There's a few very big things people will forever argue about

because the game couldn't give us mercy and wanted it up to interpretation

like if the Hollow knight was ever pure

(personally) despite everything yes I do believe the Hollow knight was at once point a pure vessel and the white lady was right on that part

all the other vessels though are confirmed to be impure

[light bane]

Dw I have an experience of overanalyzing asoiaf xD
I know where to stop

(hopefully)

[scenic surge]

also apologies for any reply pings, I'll turn them off from now on (like this one)

[steep sand]

uhh, what ? what does that make any sense ?
sure the shades we see are lingering will, but why does that mean that every vessel ever made was willful ?
and also like... you can very clearly see that the void sea has an amount of will as it attacks everything on sight, so why was PK not able to see that and realise void wasn't fully willess ?
for me the correct interpretation is that you want a vessel that doesn't have enough will for radi to be able to bargain infection with them
an absolutely strict interpretation of the word "will" doesn't make any sense as one could image a fully willess vessel to be completely untrainable, not even climbing up to the surface of the abyss...

saying that its clear that every vessel except thk is clearly unpure is very bizarre

[light bane]

I have always assumed that "no mind and will" means "no agency, dreams or desires of your own"
Because it's how Radiance corrupts
And if the protagonist is pure or inpure depends solely on player's decisions

[steep sand]

and like... we strictly do not know anything about BV as we like... almost never see them besides their corpse
and the cutscene we see of them as a ghost isn't... the most telling
I don't wanna argue that clearly BV was pure actually, but like... arguing they unpure is rather baseless (nor is it important in the slightest)

[scenic surge]

mhm sure

[steep sand]

I personally really like this interpretation, though if you stick around in here you will see that the later part isn't agreed upon by the lore establishment

[light bane]

Well it's really easy to fuck up purity tho
Bow back to mantises once and you are doomed xD

[steep sand]

that conceptually is rather nonsensical but I find it funny
its a quantum vessel, you can't know its purity until is it measured

[light bane]

Well why not xD

[hot lily]

the vessel purity requirements are not necessarily literal

[loud crater]

We dont even know what the requirements are tbh.

[valid rapids]

Pure vessels being able to lose purity feels silly

Especially since soul master shows us Radiance can instill ideas

So she could tarnish any 'pure' vessel by instilling ideas

[loud crater]

If the Radiance can 'tarnish' a Pure Vessel, it wouldn't have been Pure in the first place.

[valid rapids]

Hence pure vessels losing purity being silly

[loud crater]

Imo if a Vessel can ever "lose" Purity it wouldn't have been Pure at all. False Purity, you could say.

Or ig Fools Purity.

[latent karma]

i mean, the infection could be altering brain chemistry (or whatever that means for bugs or void beings) like how lifeblood alters minds physically

[sand stump]

Well yeah, thats pretty much exactly what the Infection does

[latent karma]

yea so hk being infected means it losing it purity is bc its brain (or whatever) changed. not that hk wasnt pure before

tho there's evidence that they werent

but other vessels could've been

they would still fail if the infection induces thoughts

or is the argument that vessels that are pure lack brain (or whatever) to ever gain the ability to think?

[loud crater]

If the Radiance could do anything to make a Vessel not Pure, then it wasnt Pure in the first place. A Pure Vessel would be able to permanently seal the Radiance without ever failing.

[latent karma]

hmm maybe

[latent karma]

basically this then

[loud crater]

No Mind=No place to seal the Radiance in.

[latent karma]

oh so like radiance cant get in a pure mind to start altering brain chemistry in the first place

[scenic surge]

.. horf I do have a question

what about fool eaters

[loud crater]

What about them?

[scenic surge]

these things can get infected

[loud crater]

Those aren't the Fool Eaters.

[scenic surge]

and fool eater can too

[loud crater]

They have Dreamnail Dialogue, they have minds.

[scenic surge]

"..."

the dream nail dialogue is "..."

same for gulka

just like broken vessel

[loud crater]

So is Nosk's.

Not having conscious thoughts isnt the same as having no mind.

[scenic surge]

it's a plant

like a genuinely normal plant

[loud crater]

Said plants, like the Gulka, can track TK.

Iirc at least.

[split compass]

plants probably have pretty basic desires, it would be easy for Radiance to infect them
just offer them, like... light and dirt

[scenic surge]

I mean given that literal thorns in greenpath are infected and spew out infection if you hit them ig

and given that there's infected plan foliage in the crossroads

that's like completely orange grass

but like atp I feel as though we're going to a whole new level

[split compass]

Radiance's temptations are based on the desires of her would-be victims - the idea would be that a pure vessel would give her nothing she can work with
and THK being 'tarnished by an idea instilled' was that, somehow, THK gained something that made them vulnerable to her that they previously did not have
note that TK is said to have no 'instilled ideas' and White Lady states that she cannot sense their emotions - Radiance herself also calls them 'The Empty One'
just sayin'

[scenic surge]

idk what grasses desire is

[split compass]

'light, dirt, grow'

...

or maybe they're soaking up infection goo from the environment?

there's a lot of it at that point

[scenic surge]

We just have random orange grass from white gass in crossroads

[scenic surge]

that is true

could just be soaking it up

maybe the same goes for the big thorns in greenpath

I swear the infection goes so deep

[split compass]

and eventually it starts producing its own growths - the pustules, the vines with fruit, etc.

a whole ecosystem of infection

even lifeforms made entirely of infection

I wonder how bad it would have gotten... 👀

[marble birch]

It would have kept going until every Infected entity died, resulting in Radiance’s own death since there’d be no more minds/memories giving her an anchoring point.

[split compass]

I wonder

the Infection Balloon enemy is made of infection and has its own simple mind

Would purely infection-born entities have been enough for the Radiance?

then we've got a kind of 'kill everything and replace it with my own creations' deal going

[scenic surge]

I think so

[scenic surge]

I mean we were also getting simple life forms of infection

with the life balloons and light seeds

so hey

[scenic surge]

I think there's a likelyhood

[lilac epoch]

we need a mod in hk general

[hot lily]

why

[near sequoia]

that channel always needs a mod

[steep sand]

i've heard powdered came back recently, so there you go, you have your mod now (idk if they plan on being mod again or not tho)

[hot lily]

he's not going to be mod again

[wooden seal]

btw, the whole lore is non existant as it is just a fever dream of some random homeless guy on wich bugs are crawling on

(straight from team cherry btw)

[indigo venture]

This is not true.

[wooden seal]

proove it

[indigo venture]

Team Cherry never wrote that statement

[wooden seal]

they said it

[scenic surge]

they never did?

[rugged comet]

Developer comment: Hollow Knight has no lore

According to William Pellen, Hollow Knight has no lore.

[Source](#hk-discussion message)

@lexmolten used /dev-comments source: Discord name: Hollow Knight has no lore

[loud crater]

I can only assume they mean this?

[scenic surge]

tf does this even mean

[floral mist]

game has no lore

[loud crater]

William being off his rocker.

[reef sable]

hey

[rugged comet]

Developer comment: Hollow Knight is all lore

According to Ari Gibson, only William thinks HK has no lore. HK is all lore.

[Source](#off-topic message)

@lexmolten used /dev-comments source: Discord name: Hollow Knight is all lore

[scenic surge]

Wtf

[floral mist]

what?

[scenic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/take-your-meds-gif-484894349668198519

Take your meds team cherry

[reef sable]

how the ||radiance|| is named in the|| journal|| by forgotten

[scenic surge]

?

the journal calls her the radiance

you mean by it saying "The light, forgotten."

[indigo venture]

William is the only person that thinks HK has no lore

[reef sable]

yes

[rugged comet]

Hunter's Journal: Radiance

Description:
The light, forgotten.

Hunter's notes:
The plague, the infection, the madness that haunts the corpses of Hallownest... the light that screams out from the eyes of this dead Kingdom. What is the source? I suppose mere mortals like myself will never understand.

Dream Nail:
...ANCIENT ENEMY...
...I DO NOT FEAR YOU...
...LET ME BE FREE...
...I WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN...
...DAWN WILL BREAK...
...THE LIGHT CANNOT BE CONSUMED...

@megathekindly used /journal name: Radiance

[scenic surge]

William thinks that the game is actually just a dream

[indigo venture]

Maybe

I dunno' he just think HK has no lore

[reef sable]

hey

[reef sable]

....

[loud crater]

She was forgotten and abandoned by her creations, the Moths. Also no need to spoiler tag.

[indigo venture]

The Radiance's description is "The Light, Forgotten"

Their name in the Journal is just The Radiance

That's just their actual name

[scenic surge]

yk wonder what would have happened if the moths didn't abondon the radiance

[reef sable]

what was her creations

[loud crater]

Hallownest would last eternal.

[indigo venture]

The Moths

[scenic surge]

well yes it would

[loud crater]

My guy i said it in the massage.

[scenic surge]

but things would have changed so drastically

[reef sable]

what is the moths

[scenic surge]

you know what a moth is right

[indigo venture]

As in the Species

What is Moht

[scenic surge]

a typo of moth

[reef sable]

no

[scenic surge]

😔

[indigo venture]

Ah

[scenic surge]

https://tenor.com/view/moth-dance-windy-mothin'-mothin-gif-3557803883483505551

this thing

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-gif-1232904355377097343

Also this guy

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-dreamnail-meme-gif-17228998

[loud crater]

How much of the game have you played?

[scenic surge]

he just doesn't know what the species of moth is

[reef sable]

hours or percentage

[scenic surge]

he clearly played through hollow knight enough to get the radiances entry

[loud crater]

Both ig.

[loud crater]

Or he saw it via some other means.

[scenic surge]

I doubt he just went into the wiki

[reef sable]

percentage=106%

[scenic surge]

okay yeah I was right

still not sure how one doesn't know what a moth is

[reef sable]

hours=114h,44min

where did the green one went(moth)

hey

[scenic surge]

they died

we see their ghost

[reef sable]

that mean the one who gave me the dream nail was a ghost

??

[reef sable]

the green moth we did not see him

wait

hey

[indigo venture]

Yes we meet the Green Moth

[rugged comet]

Thistlewind - Spirits' Glade - First Encounter

Ahh, a wanderer. I've been many places and done a great many things, but I suspect you will outdo me by far.
I've long ceased travelling the caverns of Hallownest and I suspect they're now far more dangerous than in my journeys, though with your capable air I'm sure you'll do fine.
Good luck! It's a vast world out there.

@megathekindly used /npcs spirits name: Thistlewind category: Spirits' Glade dialogue: First Encounter

[reef sable]

where

?

[indigo venture]

Spirit's Glade

[reef sable]

oh

i killed with the dream nail

[tough jetty]

White lady says TK is hollow but it isn't, right?

[hot lily]

correct, it isn't

[sand stump]

whats the topic?
TK and purity or?

nvm that was half an hour ago 😭

[timber snow]

she says she can’t tell anymore

Does it... feel anything? Triumph? Or hate? If it does, I cannot sense it.

[split compass]

that presumes an inability to sense emotion is an inability to determine purity
if anything she's reinforcing her earlier statement, as both suggest the absence of any discernable mental state - a lack of 'instilled ideas', the factor that tarnished THK
this perception of absence is what makes a vessel pure imo - Radiance must tailor a temptation to a victim's mental state in order to Infect them
she can't do that if she can't perceive their mental state, this is why she calls TK 'THE EMPTY ONE'

[scenic surge]

the knight isn't pure though

[quiet pawn]

hes kinda pure

[scenic surge]

no

[sinful sparrow]

He isn't. we know this because when you dreamnail the white laidy she says that the knight has curiosity or something

[loud crater]

Purity isnt a spectrum, its a binary. You either are or you arent, and no Vessel is Pure.

[hot lily]

@honest wyvern TK isn't pure

[honest wyvern]

Honestly I thought abhiker was talking about the normal knight not thk ^_^

[hot lily]

no, they're talking about the player character

[honest wyvern]

I hadn't read the conversation entirely ^_^

[hot lily]

it's ok

[honest wyvern]

Oops amd I already misread your message >_<

[quiet pawn]

oh ok

[lusty plinth]

radiance looking into the knight from the outside and being stuck inside thk for years is not the same thing lmao

[timber snow]

all vessels are “empty ones”

void in itself is perceived in absence, not purity itself
well purity is but yk what i mean, a character referring to the emptiness of a vessel is not the same as referring to its purity

theyre more often than not just talking about void itself

[near sequoia]

"Is it more than simply a Vessel?"
NO 🗣️

Common TC writing W

[surreal rose]

If the ||pure vessel has no voice|| then why does it ||roar at the beginning of the fight||?

[timber snow]

it doesn’t in godhome, (as in, there is no sound) THK roars with Rads voice, not its own

and no need for spoiler tags here

also might i just say, dlc hasn’t come out yet

but nothing in SS tops witnessing the silent scream for the first time yet

||theres a lot less background usage in fights actually now that i think about it, less shit like soul master appearing from the background or NKG and the heart, most we got as GMS doing her best moon impression for a parallel||

[split compass]

||moorwing||

[honest wyvern]

No silksong spoilers in hk lore please.

[split compass]

damn it, you're right

[honest wyvern]

Sorry >_<

Thanks ^_^

[split compass]

it's fair

[timber snow]

a single name drop is hardly a spoiler

karmeilta
damn now whole game is spoiled chat pack it up

[split compass]

all things must be preserved

[split compass]

i mean, you aren't wrong, those are two different characters
but if you were standing outside a pitch black cave and couldn't see anything looking into it
what makes you think you'd see any better if you went inside?

[split compass]

yeah, see, I think they're one and the same
the emptiness of the Void is the very quality PK wanted to harness in his 'pure vessel'

[lusty plinth]

Being stuck in there for years and feeling your way around

[timber snow]

expect void is not literally empty, it’s just perceived as such
hence why his plan didnt work

[lusty plinth]

And realising there’s a lot more shit in here than you thought

[near sequoia]

That's PK

His cave has stars in the background the moon imagery is 100% there

[split compass]

Radiance doesn't have fingers

listen, most metaphors don't bare close examination

[lusty plinth]

I’m literally playing along with your metaphor

[hot lily]

i never actually noticed this

[lusty plinth]

Being inside is different to being outside

Because you are inside

And surrounded by it

[split compass]

okay, now bare in mind that 'cave' is a metaphor for 'mind'
and imagine that your only sense is sight - that's the only way you can perceive what's in the mind-cave

[lusty plinth]

I was aware that cave was a metaphor for mind

And even if we assume you can only perceive hollowness one way your eyes still adjust to total darkness lmao

[split compass]

you can't actually adjust to total darkness

you can become more sensitive to low light, but you do need some light

[timber snow]

in this metaphor, Rad is her own flashlight, or at least a flint
her constant weathering of the mind would be akin to trying to strike flint against rock to make a spark, or a match
overtime you’ll eventually get a spark, or an infection
just like in THK

good way to show no vessel can last forever

[split compass]

but THK was described as being 'tarnished by an idea instilled', which TK is said to lack
i.e. THK had something added to them which made THK vulnerable, and TK lacks this
Rad's powers work by tempting you based on your desires, she tailors her temptations to her victim's mental state
if your mental state is perceived as 'empty', then she has nothing to work with
hence the Void being the counter to her

[timber snow]

except we have reason to doubt the whole “idea instilled” line of reasoning
according to WL it was never pure from the beginning “it’s supposed strength was ill judged”
people always seem to forget that first part of the dialogue

and WL not being able to sense TK doesn’t mean Rad being directly inside their head wouldn’t either

not really the same scenario

if it was simply the voids quality of “being empty”

any and every vessel should be pure

[split compass]

funny, i see people as mostly ignoring the 'tarnished' part - tarnished means 'to destroy the purity of something' - you can't tarnish what was never pure
imo her 'supposed strength' line was her saying that the pale beings wrongly assumed purity couldn't be tarnished, and admitting they were wrong
the 'idea instilled' being what did the tarnishing, it being the difference between THK and TK

[dense sonnet]

Someone order a yappuccino

[dense sonnet]

That’s not what tarnished means in context though

Its supposed purity was tarnished

[timber snow]

purity shouldn’t be able to be tarnished
if i have an unbreakable spear, it was never unbreakable if it suddenly cracks when faced with a real problem
idk i never understood that line of logic with purity

[dense sonnet]

As in it appeared pure to them and that notion of purity was tarnished

Which is why she says its supposed strength was ill-judged

She says TK is free of such blemishes because it hasn’t been tarnished yet, it is very clear from her dialogue that purity is assumed to be the base state

[lusty plinth]

We ignore the tarnished because being made unhollow and never being hollow look the same in the end, so WL assumes it’s the former and calls it tarnished when it’s the latter

[timber snow]

“truth one like you was awaited”
it’s made explicit TK is not special

[dense sonnet]

Hollow and pure mean different things 🤓

[tough jetty]

you came to The Place Where People Make Hollow Knight Lore Theories and expected a simple answer?

[lusty plinth]

I’m afraid not

[dense sonnet]

WL doesn’t assume it’s the former

[tough jetty]

they do if you're going off of their literal definitions but in-game, yes they are interchangeable

[dense sonnet]

I mean what you’re describing is only ever referred to in-universe as purity

It doesn’t matter though we understand one another

[dense sonnet]

Anyway WL isn’t assuming it’s the former because she admits THK’s supposed strength was ill-judged

[timber snow]

hollowness is the same as emptiness, it would jst be a description of the void in a vessel, all vessels are hollow
they’re all filled with emptiness
purity is the state of being able to hold Rad, a pure clean empty mind

[dense sonnet]

If it were the former its actual strength would have been aptly judged

That is to say it was made “unhollow” in your words

[lusty plinth]

Its strength as a vessel includes the ability to avoid being degraded

[split compass]

I think people misunderstood purity as some idealized concept that PK invented whole-cloth, and so anything that fails to live up to this ideal doesn't count as purity
but I think that what PK thought of as 'purity' is an actual quality of the Void, it's nature of absence, which is why PK wanted to harness it
the mistake the pale beings made was thinking that once they'd succesfully harnessed it in their chosen vessel, it couldn't be lost
hence the 'supposed strength' being 'ill-judged' - it could be and was lost

[lusty plinth]

Which they thought it would be

[dense sonnet]

By definition that is a requirement for purity

[dense sonnet]

Purity is defined as the ability to contain Radiance indefinitely that was the entire objective

[tough jetty]

they thought the hollow knight was a hollow knight but in fact the hollow knight was not a hollow knight

[dense sonnet]

Any definition that doesn’t encompass that is useless

You may as well claim purity is completely arbitrary at that point

[timber snow]

it is cause it doesn’t exist

[dense sonnet]

On the most basic level we understand purity as being the desirable quality PK was looking for in Vessels

[lusty plinth]

You can only know if something is breakable when it breaks

Before that point the strength was ill judged

[dense sonnet]

Correct, so it is the latter

WL acknowledges that THK’s tarnishing is evidence of it never having been pure

Rather than the cause

Hence why she says its supposed strength was ill-judged, in plain language she’s saying “we were wrong about it”

Idk why people make this complicated

[split compass]

i mean, purity is never actually defined in-game at all
PK refers to a 'pure vessel', and naturally the pale beings wanted it to be a permanent solution to their problem
the pale beings mistakenly thought it would be permanent, because they thought the quality they had harnessed through the vessel was inviolate
they were mistaken

[dense sonnet]

We define it as that because it’s the only definition that holds any water

[dense sonnet]

.

[split compass]

well, that's why everyone is wrong about what purity is except for me

[timber snow]

we get the whole birthplace speech, thst is PK defining it
hes not being literal, but he does define it

based

[dense sonnet]

Sigh

What was the objective of the Vessel project

[timber snow]

domination over void, TC is gonna pull it in a dlc watch

[split compass]

PK's spiel is the closest thing we get, and I agree it's not a literal list of requirements
but an allusion to some other idea

[dense sonnet]

The requirements are irrelevant that’s not what we’re talking about

We know that PK’s objective was to seal Radiance indefinitely, that is what he wrote in the WP Tablet and it’s what he tells THK its job is

[lusty plinth]

Pale king was actually just listing off the vessel’s current stats like a wrestling announcer

Had nothing to do with his aims

[dense sonnet]

If we understand that purity is the quality that would enable a Vessel to do that then by definition it is the ability to contain Radiance indefinitely, or what enables it if you want to be unnecessarily pedantic about things

Any other definition you can come up with is just arbitrary

Regardless, if PK wanted a pure vessel to seal Radiance forever then the only logical conclusion is that those two things are directly related and that in order to seal Radiance indefinitely a Vessel would have to be pure
So, being tarnished isn’t exactly on the cards and again, WL is not ambiguous about this she literally tells us she was WRONG about their assessment of THK

Whether or not PK’s theoretical purity could exist is a different question entirely to what he and WL are talking about

[near sequoia]

They can't find any good evidence for new theories that would help them expand the community's knowledge of lore, so instead they spend half their time discussing what it means to be truly Hollow like a computer trying to understand metaphysics

[dense sonnet]

So true bestie

Maybe HK fans can’t read

[near sequoia]

He was onto something lowk

[split compass]

VOID, yours is the power opposed.
But yours is potential, eternity potential, force that could deny Time.
VOID, harness shall be placed upon you.
this is the PK identifying the Void as the key to his plans
again, I think people misunderstand purity as this idealized concept when it's not
in reality, I think PK looked into the Void, saw a particular quality in it, and believed this was the key to his plan
this was why he made vessels, to harness the Void and this quality
he mistakenly thought the quality was something immutable - he was wrong about this
it's not that purity is arbitrary, it's that the pale beings were just wrong about it - this is what WL is admitting to

[split compass]

i already have the correct answer, it's everyone else that needs help

i persevere

[near sequoia]

Splatoon has actual lore beyond the scrolls

[split compass]

sounds gross

[lusty plinth]

I object

I’ve really been pushing the needle on pallor

[dense sonnet]

eternity potential, force that could deny Time.

But the more relevant Tablet is this.

No blazing kin. Only one light shall shine against the dark.
The wyrm becomes the beacon, minds expanded, to yield, to devote. > Eternity in promise and charge in progeny cursed.

PK’s goals are like, not ambiguous at all. He wanted an eternal kingdom. Radiance was a threat to his eternal kingdom, so he wanted to seal her eternally. To do that he needed a Vessel, which utilized Void because it had the properties necessary to seal a being like Rad for a literal eternity.

So, nobody is misunderstanding anything. PK wanted a Vessel that could seal Rad forever, and the relevant quality in order for it to be able to do that is purity.

The quality you’re referring to is literally the ability to “deny Time”

Whether he was wrong or not is irrelevant when it comes to understanding what he MEANS

THK was not pure by PK’s definition because it was tarnished, it being tarnished was evidence of it never having been pure by that definition at any point by WL’s own admission. Again there is no real need to complicate this further

For TK to be pure in a way that would enable it to seal Rad indefinitely purity would have to be arbitrary

[crystal brook]

W semantics

[lusty plinth]

I fw this guy he keeps it real

[thorny robin]

wut ._.

[lusty plinth]

W semantics

[split compass]

it's true
I have a response, but I don't want to belabour this point if I don't think we'll ever agree
I'll just wait for TC to explicitly confirm I'm correct in future SS DLC

[tough jetty]

"i f*** with this guy he keeps it real"
"i like this guy, he is honest and down to earth"
"i appreciate how he doesn't obfuscate"
do any of those sentences make more sense

of what he said

[lusty plinth]

Thank you

[tough jetty]

wdym

[lusty plinth]

My English it is not the yellow from the egg

[lusty plinth]

For translating

[tough jetty]

no that was great casual english those sentences are just more "not slangy"? like they had no abbreviations and some people talk in different ways (metaphors, analogies, slang, acronyms, figurative language, sophistical)

[solid abyss]

most australian guy ive ever met btw

[lusty plinth]

Who are you

[solid abyss]

how could you forsake me zor

[dense sonnet]

w larp

[solid abyss]

do our 15 mutual friends and 7 mutual servers mean nothing to you

[lusty plinth]

I think this speaks to your lack of australians rather than my australianness

[crystal brook]

the hollow knight larped purity

[tough jetty]

true

[solid abyss]

i mean true

man you really turned my argument upside down huh

[dense sonnet]

What a succinct way to put it

[tough jetty]

i like few words sometimes

obfuscation sucks

clearity rules

the end

[solid abyss]

why waste time use lot word when fans can't read

[crystal brook]

anything over three syllables is a bit too woke

[dense sonnet]

Minor spelling mistake

[tough jetty]

i disagree

[tough jetty]

okay

big words good occaisionally

forgive spelling*

[crystal brook]

you better be prepared to die over this

[tough jetty]

sometime when idea complex big word sum it up nicely

example

"the philosophy that nothing matters" = nihilism! good
save time when speaking

[indigo venture]

What are yall debating

[tough jetty]

being succinct

is big word good or bad

[indigo venture]

Bland

[dense sonnet]

That’s not what nihilism is 🤓

[crystal brook]

reddit philosophy

[dense sonnet]

fr

[indigo venture]

What a nice way to put it

[tough jetty]

fair

im not philosopher

do you get the point though

[crystal brook]

can i have another example

[dense sonnet]

No could you try again with a different example

[solid abyss]

well yeah but 'existential nihilism' would be too many words

pay attention

[tough jetty]

"throwing somebody out of a window" = defenestrate
save time when speak

[solid abyss]

thats not what it is either

[crystal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/neytiri-avatar-pandora-gif-27335214

[dense sonnet]

That’s not an accurate framing regardless

Redditor

[dense sonnet]

I’m going to defenestrate you

[crystal brook]

growing up is just realising that larping wittgenstein is the only real position

[lusty plinth]

Ntm on big cheese

Cheese is W reddit

[solid abyss]

what the fuck are you talking about

[dense sonnet]

Defenestration

[solid abyss]

this doesnt even optimize wordcount

[tough jetty]

big word bad many word bad syllables bad few syllables good

[solid abyss]

why would you use the word the

[dense sonnet]

ong

[solid abyss]

you may as well write

Existential nihilism asserts that life has no objective meaning or purpose. The idea that all individual and societal values are ultimately pointless has been associated with various responses. They range from general indifference and existential crises to transformative reinterpretations of established ideals and a creative embrace of personal meaning-making. Moral nihilism, a related view, denies the objective existence of morality, arguing that moral evaluations and practices rest on misguided assumptions without any foundation in external reality.

[crystal brook]

can we reestablish the lore

can we start from first principles

[tough jetty]

Out of context, i have never been insulted for using the word "the" in my whole life.

[tough jetty]

radiance god

[lusty plinth]

Welcome to hk lore

[solid abyss]

word not in all languages

its useless half the time

[crystal brook]

is that nietzsche

[dense sonnet]

Server language is English

[solid abyss]

you say im going to the store but not im going to the school

[lusty plinth]

Those languages are just simpler

[solid abyss]

im going to send you to hospital

[lusty plinth]

Unable to express the same depth of linguistic complexity

[solid abyss]

close it's actually wikipedia

[crystal brook]

i meant you

obviously not the text god i hate you now

[lusty plinth]

You genuinely think Cheese has read Nietzsche

[tough jetty]

unoptimized wordcount

unnecessary "now"

[crystal brook]

i look into their eyes and i see the übermensch looking back

[lusty plinth]

He can’t even read the rule server language is English

[solid abyss]

god is dead

[dense sonnet]

Is that the TikTok guy

[lusty plinth]

Well he’s canadian so that can’t be right

[crystal brook]

oh ok yea no chance then

[solid abyss]

i came here seeking lebensraum

[tough jetty]

huh

[crystal brook]

no its when something is fairly unknown

[tough jetty]

philosophy hard

we talk bug game?

[crystal brook]

i only listen to nietzsche music

[dense sonnet]

Oh ok

[crystal brook]

like coldplay

[tough jetty]

niche?

[dense sonnet]

Could we say HK is a nietzsche indie game

[crystal brook]

the german guy?

[tough jetty]

omfg die

[dense sonnet]

Is that the guy who does the Minecraft music

Fallen Kingdom

[tough jetty]

C418

[lusty plinth]

And we circle back to “the” discussion

[crystal brook]

yea yea that guy

[solid abyss]

zor what are your thoughts on the ideals of nietzsche

[crystal brook]

he had a funny moustache

[lusty plinth]

Why does his name start with C4? Is he explosive?

[tough jetty]

18 c4s to be exact

[lusty plinth]

i prefer his early work

[crystal brook]

w larps

[dense sonnet]

It insists upon itself

[tough jetty]

what is your problem with >5 syllable words

do you have hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliaphobia?

in my opinion they are supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

[crystal brook]

im illiterate

and its >3

thank you very much

[indigo venture]

:3?

[tough jetty]

for?

or figurative language?

[crystal brook]

everything I do and say is symbolic

[tough jetty]

therefore

was that a compliment or insult

[crystal brook]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-something-im-gonna-let-you-decide-ashwin-ganesh-c4etech-up-to-you-your-decision-gif-18104418

[tough jetty]

ffs

be fr

if not i assume latter

[crystal brook]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4yYw0lE2CJOwwymaob3hX1?si=1xGxOa-HRuqACyGGeZh2pg&rowId=331e9cc8ecfa309a

[tough jetty]

?

[crystal brook]

what aren't you understanding here

[tough jetty]

i'm looking at them

though i am the stupid

[dusk dune]

this translates to "need the sun"

[sharp zodiac]

Hi guys

I'm new here

I'm looking forward to starting hollow knight

Can anyone explain the lore

[sand stump]

I'd say to play the game and get your own understanding of it before coming to learn the lore, cuz it will heavily spoil the game

[white obsidian]

Its hard to understand the lore even if you play the game

[sand stump]

Yes but its better to get your own grasp of it before spoiling all of it

I mean, I had a fairly good idea of the lore of the game when I finished it

But I still got a few bits wrong

[split compass]

'bad times in bug town'

[sharp zodiac]

Uh should I be opening every spoiler message?

[split compass]

only if you want Silksong spoilers

nothing from the first game will be tagged, so that's it's own concern if you don't want spoilers

i could saying anything about the incredible late-game revelations and discoveries

[loud crater]

Hornet isnt Void

[split compass]

what even is that

[sharp zodiac]

Who's Hornet?

[loud crater]

A daughter of Hallownest.

[sharp zodiac]

what's hallownest?

[loud crater]

The last and only civilization.

[sharp zodiac]

of what?

[loud crater]

Of the world.

[sharp zodiac]

which world?

[loud crater]

Their world.

[sharp zodiac]

So the world Birthed a daughter?

what.

[loud crater]

No, the King of the last and only civilization, Eternal Hallownest, had a child with another bug who birthed Hornet.

[sharp zodiac]

oh so hornet is a princes?

[loud crater]

Yes.

[sharp zodiac]

ahh

Is hornet like a gf to Our hollow knight?

[loud crater]

No, she's their sister.

[sharp zodiac]

Oh shit mb

[loud crater]

Half sister*

[sharp zodiac]

So the king had 2 kids?

[loud crater]

Way more than two.

[sharp zodiac]

And they all died fighting a war or something?

[loud crater]

Infact, we dont actually know how many. Its just a shit ton.

[loud crater]

No.

[sharp zodiac]

So what happened to the rest?

[loud crater]

Have you ever been to the Abyss?

[sharp zodiac]

I haven't started the game yet

It's downloading

[loud crater]

My guy.

I'd suggest playing the game before coming here.

[sharp zodiac]

Alr how much time will it take to finish the game?

[loud crater]

It depends.

For me it took me 75-ish hours.

[sharp zodiac]

Are their like multiple endings?

[loud crater]

Yes.

[sharp zodiac]

How many?

[loud crater]

4. Technically 5, but thats a variant of the 4th ending.

[sharp zodiac]

So I need to get all endings to understand the lore?

[loud crater]

Not necessarily, but it will help.

[sharp zodiac]

thatll prolly take some time.

[loud crater]

Yeah. But dont worry Hollow Knight is a great game, im sure you'll love it.

[sharp zodiac]

Ok

I'll be back here after playing the game

Goodbye Chat

[split compass]

i mean, why bother at this point, Horf told you practically the whole game

[sharp zodiac]

Eh the experience is smth else tho

[turbid stratus]

The gameplay cant be told

you can only feel the game yourself

[sharp zodiac]

Exactly

[turbid stratus]

I myself more or less spoiled hk to myself as well, not more than bugsnax but still

some people do not care for the lore so it wont bother them to be spoiled

[loud crater]

I watched Mossbag's lore video before playing the game for the first time.

[timber snow]

then theres only 3

sealed siblings is just a variant of thk

[dire otter]

I just beat the game and became the vessel what now

[loud crater]

Get more endings.

Play more of the game.

[dire otter]

Same slot or new slot?

[loud crater]

Same.

Also at some point play Steel Soul.

[reef sable]

why does hornet calls me "little ghost" in god home (hornet protector) when you dream nail her

[split compass]

'little ghost' is her name for the knight

she calls them that a couple times here and there

[reef sable]

why she calls little ghost only no other name

[split compass]

the knight has no name
she calls them ghost because in a sense the knight is dead, a ghost of the past haunting Hallownest

[reef sable]

ok

thanks

[fading crane]

Why the entrance to the Black Egg is public

?

[loud crater]

Its a Temple.

People used to visit there, I belive.

And its not like someone could, or frankly would, break in there.

[fading crane]

Thanks

[deep walrus]

i see

[pine pawn]

Hi.

[modern sand]

what if yoda was secretly a grub with ears the whole time

[hard willow]

where did the name the knight come from

[wanton zephyr]

Files

[tough jetty]

files and i think team cherry directly called it that but i may be wrong

files are also how we know quirrel is 100% dead

[near sequoia]

ain't it called hero in the files or something

[near sequoia]

you don't need files for that twin 🥀

those things call Herrah Hegemol

[tough jetty]

i needed to disprove someone on UNGODLY amounts of copium

okay?

Quirrel_death_nail

[near sequoia]

Doesn't Deepnest encounter use the same sprite

[tough jetty]

not sure

even though i live in deepnest i don't like being there

[timber snow]

his nails name is simply death nail

[near sequoia]

mogs life ender

[tough jetty]

life ended 😭

[split compass]

'life ender' was taken

[timber snow]

yep all weapons have a name

TK’s is called pure and hornets is called stinger
i don’t make the rules

[tough jetty]

Well i wouldn't say quirrels nail is called death nail

[split compass]

'lots of people name their nails'
'lots of-' 👀

[tough jetty]

the sprite for the nail when he leaves it behind is called death nail

[timber snow]

this is a bit if you couldn’t tell

i know reading comprehension is hard for HK fans

[glacial vortex]

Wow

[bitter star]

senhores, mesmo não falando inglês eu quero deixar uma teoria minha: e se os ovos rançoso vieram dos wyrms ou do lago azul acima da cidade das lágrimas? os ovos são encontrados em abundância pela Tuk nos esgostos da cidade das lágrimas onde a água do lago azul que cai é escoada, ou seja, os ovos provavelmente vieram do lago azul. mas e os wyrms? se essa minha segunda probabilidade estiver correta, os wyrms deixaram os ovos em lugares espalhados em hollownest, ma depois que os wyrms foram extintos esses ovos apodreceram sem proteção e outros insentos os espalharam por hollownest. me corrijam se tiver algo errado.

[loud crater]

Um, this server is English only buddy.

[bitter star]

foi o único server que eu achei:(

[loud crater]

You can either look for a different server in your language or translate the messages before sending.

[bitter star]

Gentlemen, even though I don't speak English, I want to share my theory: what if the rancid eggs came from the Wyrms or from the Blue Lake above the City of Tears? The eggs are found in abundance by Tuk in the sewers of the City of Tears where the water from the Blue Lake drains away, meaning the eggs probably came from the Blue Lake. But what about the Wyrms? If my second hypothesis is correct, the Wyrms left the eggs scattered throughout Hollownest, but after the Wyrms became extinct, these eggs rotted unprotected and other insects spread them throughout Hollownest. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I translated it using Google. There's going to be something wrong:(

[loud crater]

The Rancid Eggs are just the eggs of the Bluggsacs. Not Wyrms. It might be possible that the Bluggsacs used to be in greater abundance in or near the Blue Lake region, casuing them to drain down to Tuk's area.

Or its also possible that they just are naturally abundant in the Royal Waterways.

[bitter star]

Sorry, I'm a bit out of touch with Hollow Knight discoveries. It's been a while since I've been active in the community.

[pure inlet]

I sort of see where you’re coming from- it’s interesting, but I’m not sure it holds up perfectly

[pure inlet]

You don’t have to worry about being out of touch at all you can share whatever here

[tough jetty]

was CoT in lockdown

when infection began

[pine karma]

GUYS MAJOR SPOILER
NO ONE EVEN MOSSBAG KNOWS THIS

||the infection is an infection||

[signal marlin]

it isnt

[hot lily]

in the biological sense, it's not

[pine karma]

i. was. joking.

[vale pawn]

Is hornet a hornet?

Or spider?

[split compass]

spider

[vale pawn]

But she has 2 legs

[split compass]

nevertheless

[wanton zephyr]

Half spider

[languid lodge]

do u guys think the shade lord (that used to be the knight) has feelings/thoughts?

[loud crater]

Yes because nothing would have changed or happened to make it lose those. Also it's still The Knight.

[spring dust]

some people theorise that ||The Knight and all the vessles were sentient||, and ||Pk|| just messed up the whole thing.

so yes probobly

and also it's past form used to be called ||"void given mind||"

although they changed it to ||focus||

[spring dust]

she half spider half ||wyrm||

there are no "hornets" in hallownest so perhaps a "hornet" is just a half-spider half-wyrm

[pseudo light]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hollow-knight-47

[loud crater]

The Vessels all were sentient, also you dont need to spoiler tag everything.

[tough jetty]

are they unfortunately sentient or just sentient

[loud crater]

Just sentient.

[ebon patio]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wawa-emdeb

[tawny crag]

Why does pure vessel hold his sword backwards

[loud crater]

Personal preference ig.

[tawny crag]

Also why tf did the pale king get the pop built ?

Some sort of platforming training for thk ??

[loud crater]

It isnt real. It came into being after the shift to the Dream Realm to guard a memory.

[tiny heart]

because it looks cool

[light bane]

tricking you into thinking that their reach shorter that it really is

sorta variation of the tail guard but with max aura farming

[tawny crag]

I see

[tawny crag]

Pure vessel has the most aura out of all bosses in the game ngl

Vro made his entry aura farming

[light bane]

true

[loud crater]

Darth Vader Pure Vessel Aura Farm.

[split compass]

'this armor isn't to protect me, it's to hold me back'

[light bane]

idk I love visuals in PV fight sm
like devs take THK sprites with its "corrupted" look (given by THK posture and reverse grip among other things) and combine it with this pristine monochomic color scheme
so PV somehow manages to look both elegant and awkward at the same time xD

[marble birch]

Fighting the Pure Vessel always feels so climactic.

Like. You are staring down a Godspawn Void Construct, wielding powers of divinity and damnation in perfect harmony, two opposite elements somehow working together in a single entity, bearing transcendent, unfathomable power, a warrior without peer.

[loud crater]

PV isnt really a Void construct.

[dense sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jjk-memes-gif-10370496866020481076

[pseudo light]

https://klipy.com/gifs/feliz-navidad-tiktok-meme

[marble birch]

It more or less is. Any semblance of a proper living Bug it once could have been has been flushed out. It’s basically a very intricate, very advanced automaton or machine, an upgrade to the Kingsmoulds.

But then again, this was the intended design of all the Vessels in the King’s effort to un-person them.

[hot lily]

Dude

[near sequoia]

PV spells go crazy

[split compass]

Erm, technically...
they're a memory imprint of a Void construct

[hot lily]

yes

[hard willow]

wassup yall

how strong is the knight

actually

like what stuff from other universes could he beat

[loud crater]

The strongest guy we've seen so fsr.

[loud crater]

Hmm. Not sure.

[hard willow]

i mean

i have a love hate relationship with power scaling

continent level?

[loud crater]

Ngl I feel that with Void Heart it could wipe out the Flood from Halo.

[hard willow]

i mean

once reaches shade lord

overpowered

and can fly

and can be invinceible

since i-frames with

shadow dassh is it called?

void cloak?

[loud crater]

Shade Cloak.

[hard willow]

arent those i-frames lore accurate

with the shadow walls

so so are the ones with downward descent?

[loud crater]

Yeah probably ig.

[hard willow]

i mean

AMAZING FIGHTER

[hot lily]

impossible to quantifiably measure due to a lack of information on the world scale of HK

any attempts at powerscaling are useless

[loud crater]

The most we can say is "they powerful"
We can also confidently say basically anyone would dunk on Homelander

[hard willow]

i mean

if knight

5 foot

[hot lily]

we don't know how big or tall ANYTHING in the world is

and no that certain kickstarter post isn't canon

[hard willow]

yeah ik

but if he was hypothetically 5 foot

how much power would that be

a fun thought experiment

[young rain]

There’s this, it’s not canon but probably the closest right now

[hot lily]

except we are never shown her maximum or minimum throwing distance, which makes any attempt at assigning a visual correspondence pointless

so this photo is baseless and incorrect

[pure inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-truth-nuke-walter-white-true-breaking-bad-truth-nuke-breaking-bad-true-gif-2370094217877194192

[split compass]

the bugs are actually colossal in size

our entire world fits under a rock in one of their backyards

-# not really

[fading crane]

1. Could moths have biological offspring?

2. Soul Totems are everywhere, but curiously, they're also in Resting Grounds. So, Did the AC encounter the moths, or did the moths encounter the AC?

[primal bridge]

why does herrah look like that tho like genuinely