hk-lore

[polar night]

its fun to theorise

[signal marlin]

these are less of theories and moreso conditional theories, as it relies on assuming something is true first

[blissful pewter]

The most popular theory (or way of measurement) used is Hornet's first description and the Black egg temple's length

[jaunty mulch]

Where it say that?

[signal marlin]

and both are poor methodology

[blissful pewter]

True

[reef compass]

i just realized that the reason Herrah doesnt have a guard protecting her, like the other dreamers, is because it was probably a weaver that either fled, was killed, or captured by grandmother silk

[sand stump]

Or because she thought the entirety of her kingdom and all the forces before her would be enough to stop people

[marble birch]

Agreed. She less needed a singular, powerful guardian and moreso the Devout serving as huge roadblocks plus the generally inhospitable, dimly-lit, trap-ridden maze she calls home being her ‘defense mechanism’.

[median sleet]

are the dlcs canon or something

[reef compass]

people treat them as cannon

ngl they are kinda being miscategorized as dlcs

they are more like updates

[hidden vessel]

Yes

[median sleet]

wdym

[median sleet]

why do we fight bosses like hornet again? I thought we were chill

[hidden vessel]

Hornet is testing you both times

[median sleet]

She sin godhome

shes

along with many other early game boss

[ebon patio]

if you read her dream nail dialogue she is pretty confused there

think the godmaster is forcing everyone to fight regardless of what they want

[sand pumice]

Yeah because it's all in. A dream

Godseeker considers marmu a god

[slim widget]

most bosses are considered gods in HoG

wait that sounds stupid

hall of gods contains gods

[sand stump]

Obviously bro 😭

[indigo venture]

They are attuned versions of them, some are memories from past fights, some are the actual bosses that are brought there via Dreams

Some are memories of the kingdom in general.

[reef compass]

if you take the term DLC literally, as downloadable content, then yeah they are DLCs, but most of the time DLC refers to extra content that you purchase separately from the game. The DLC in hollow knight is free, so it acts more like a content update than a DLC

[final estuary]

Hi

[reef compass]

shes dreaming. You dont really act like yourself when your in a dream

[reef compass]

hello

[final estuary]

I like hollow knight

[reef compass]

me to!!

[final estuary]

What is going on right now

[reef compass]

we are discussing why hornet fights you in a dream

[reef compass]

godseeker considers false knight a god

[final estuary]

Or what where you talkingtalking about. Never mind. Also dont mind my typing its acting weird

[reef compass]

uh

we were talking about godhome

[final estuary]

Cool. Thank you for beinvbeing kind.

[reef compass]

your welcome!

[final estuary]

But I agree, why in the wotldwoldworldwotldwoldworld, I mean world does the god seeker look at masive mosmoss charger and think, your a god

[indigo venture]

The "DLC's" are almost always called Content Packs iirc

At least from the advertising i've seen of Godmaster and shit

[final estuary]

Cool

And also, what is anyone whos still heres favorite boss lore

[indigo venture]

I mean I liked No Eye's scrapped lore the most

In-game proper, probably Grimm and the whole Nightmare Heart Thing

[final estuary]

Fair

[indigo venture]

I find it interesting

[reef compass]

wait your right

[final estuary]

I like a basic oneone, the hollow knight

[reef compass]

team cherry never calls them DLC

[median sleet]

oh

[reef compass]

how do i do the thing that pulls up a page from the wiki?

[indigo venture]

!wiki and then stuff

[neon kelp]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Ragpelt
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page and then stuff for a direct link or !wiki search and then stuff for a list of all hits.

[indigo venture]

[[OR you can also do this, but it's kind of useless]]

[neon kelp]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/OR_you_can_also_do_this,_but_it's_kind_of_useless?action=edit&redlink=1

[final estuary]

butbut, what is yours ender arch, favorite boss lore

[reef compass]

!wiki search hornet

[neon kelp]

🔍 https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Special:Search?search=hornet&fulltext=1

hornet
• Hornet
• Playable Hornet
• Hornet (Silksong)
• Hornet Statuette
• Hornet (Lore)
• Hornet Protector
• Hornet Sentinel
• Hornet (Hollow Knight)
• Category:Skills and Abilities (Silksong)
• Category:Tools
689 total results

[indigo venture]

My theory is that bosses brought forth via dreams are somewhat influenced to fight TK. Grimm being the exception

[reef compass]

eh

[median sleet]

wat tk

[indigo venture]

The Knight

[reef compass]

i was trying to find the dialouge where hornet was confused about what was happening in godhome

[median sleet]

bruh

Anyways whats different abt grimm

[indigo venture]

They willingly attend the call

And properly acknowledge The Godseekers too

They are fully aware

Hornet is only half aware

[reef compass]

my theory is that the bugs are just having a dream. The only reason hornet can tell something is off, is because she is part higher being. Grimm can tell exactly whats happening cuz he is a higher being

[rugged comet]

Hunter's Journal: Hornet

Description:
Skilled protector of Hallownest's ruins. Wields a needle and thread.

Hunter's notes:
I have seen this nimble little creature. I thought her prey and pounced at her, but with a flash she stabbed me with her flying stinger and darted away. Could she be... a Hunter?

Dream Nail:
(In Greenpath)
Too weak, little ghost...
No shadow will haunt me...
Only pity for your cursed kind.

(In Kingdom's Edge)
From where does it draw this strength?
Can it succeed?
Is it strong enough?

(In Godhome)
...Do they watch us struggle?..
Do you haunt my dreams... Or I yours?
Little Ghost... What dreams we share...

@megathekindly used /journal name: Hornet

[indigo venture]

"...Do they watch us struggle?..
Do you haunt my dreams... Or I yours?
Little Ghost... What dreams we share..."

This?

[reef compass]

yes

[indigo venture]

The thing is Hornet willingly fighting someone she's come to respect and knows are capalbe of replacing THK doesn't really make sense

[final estuary]

I think that the concept of godgod home is just cool.

[indigo venture]

Plus in Godhome she says "Haunt" when talking about their dreams

[final estuary]

I think I got lost in the conversation

[indigo venture]

Also Grimm isn't a higher being proper

They are the Avatar of one, thus have special privileges

[reef compass]

i think she knows its not real and is confused. Also, shes dreaming, when you dream you dont really have all your memories, or act like yourself

[indigo venture]

We don't know that though, Dreams clearly work different in HK than in real life

let me check some dreamnailed dream bosses to check if I can find a pattern

[median sleet]

Is grim stronger than radiance?

[indigo venture]

"You promised I would live forever!
Did their souls bring me closer to the light?
That voice...Was it never there...?" Soul Tyrant is yapping about the things Radiance promised to make him give into the Infection, memories.

[indigo venture]

Fuck no

[reef compass]

the only other character i can remember that knows they are taking part in something is grimm

[median sleet]

Why

[final estuary]

Though I think the dream fights are cool cause in your dreams you imagine yourself beinkgbeing better then you actually are

[indigo venture]

Because we can't properly power-scale them since they don't interact

[reef compass]

thats probably because hes a higher being

[indigo venture]

Plus Radiance is a Higher being, Grimm is the avatar of one

[final estuary]

Yeah I got lost

[indigo venture]

The proper discussion would be TNH vs Radiance, which would be fruitless because we don't know that much about either to put them in a Deathbattle

[indigo venture]

I disagree on the notion of them being a Higher Being

Grimm isn't a higher being imo

[final estuary]

I agree

[indigo venture]

As I said they are the avatar of one (Possibly quite literally having TNH as their real Heart)

Thus they can see stuff other bugs can't, The "Scarlet Eyes"

[final estuary]

I disagree

[indigo venture]

They have higher sapience when it comes to dream thanks to his relation with The Nightmare Realm too I'd say

Or maybe it's just because of the Scarlet Eyes, that could also be why

Anyway where was I

FK's dreamnail dialogue doesn't change in dreams

Same with Lost Kin

[median sleet]

If the infection didn’t exist would everything be friendly?

[indigo venture]

Not Deepnest

[final estuary]

Yeah, probably

[median sleet]

Why

[indigo venture]

Nor the mantises if you stepped into their territory

[indigo venture]

They are mindless beasts anyway

They'd attack anything that came into their territory

[median sleet]

Bro whys it always deepnest

Lmfao

[reef compass]

this is kinda off topic, but my personal theory with the grimm troupe, is that the only "true" members are brumm and that one slug woman that ate leg eater. The rest are masks that are being possessed by the nightmare heart

[indigo venture]

Because Deepnest is inhabited by mindless beasts

[indigo venture]

Divine? She's a termite iirc

[final estuary]

Though things like city of tears would be freindly

[indigo venture]

And I disagree, and I think I can even disprove your theory

[reef compass]

oh yeah

[indigo venture]

As the Journal states, the Grimmkins are made by The Nightmare Heart in the same way Grimm is

"Young and playful member of the Grimm Troupe. As part of the Ritual, it gathers scarlet flame within its torch. It will relinquish the flame once defeated."

They are stated to directly be part of the Grimm Troupe

[rugged comet]

Hunter's Journal: Grimmkin Novice

Description:
Young and playful member of the Grimm Troupe. As part of the Ritual, it gathers scarlet flame within its torch. It will relinquish the flame once defeated.

Hunter's notes:
"Shadows dream of endless fire,
Flames devour and embers swoop,
One will light the Nightmare Lantern,
Call and serve in Grimm's dread Troupe."
- ‘The Grimm Troupe’

Dream Nail:
Dance with me!
So dark! Burn brighter!
Take it, if you're worthy!

@megathekindly used /journal name: Grimmkin Novice

[indigo venture]

That's why they're called "Grimmkin", they are kin of Grimm

[reef compass]

oh yeah

[indigo venture]

Plus the Grimm Troupe likely has way more members, in the form of scouts

Anyway gimme a sec Ima change pfp

there

[reef compass]

my personal cannon is that each time a troupe leader dies, his troupe disbands. Then, when the new leader starts to create his own troupe, he finds new bugs to indoctrinate, and gets given a whole lot of extra members by the nightmare heart in the form of grimmkin

[indigo venture]

This is a wild headcanon

[hot lily]

false because Devine exists and she's not only a mask

[reef compass]

shes part of grimms specific troupe

he recruited her

[indigo venture]

I'd say that when the Grimmchild is fully grown up they simply take over the previous Grimm's troupe

[hot lily]

yes, however she is not solely a mask

[reef compass]

but he didnt recruit the grimmkin, they were given to him

[hot lily]

also the Knight can be considered a member of the Troupe should it choose to assist in the ritual, and it also isn't just a mask

[indigo venture]

Huh

never thought of that

[reef compass]

not every member has to be just a mask?

[indigo venture]

Is Grimmchild a member then?

[hot lily]

it is also implied that Grimm and NH share a consciousness

[indigo venture]

Ye

[reef compass]

i dont fully agree with that

[hot lily]

it's implied by Grimm himself, as well as the White Lady

[reef compass]

do you mind giving the dialog?

[rugged comet]

White Lady - Grimm Troupe - Listening while wearing Grimmchild in its final phase

Your companion's eyes burn with a familiar flame... Success then for the scarlet heart, and irony, to use my spawn to grow its own.
I know you creature, and the form time shall bring. You may be all and one, clan and master, but this land shall never bear so foreign a king.

@megathekindly used /npcs quest name: White Lady category: Grimm Troupe dialogue: Listening while wearing Grimmchild in its final phase

[indigo venture]

I'm guessing this?

[hot lily]

that's one of them

the other is

"Fine craft dear Wyrm, and perfect tool to prolong the heart of Grimm."

[indigo venture]

Yes, White Lady states that Grimmchild (Or atleast a Grimm with absorbed TNH) is both the "Clan and Master"

[hot lily]

she's not talking about only Grimmchild there

[indigo venture]

What

[reef compass]

this seems like she is just calling the heart grimm, not specifically saying its grimm's heart

[hot lily]

"heart of Grimm"

[indigo venture]

Brumm also says the Heart of the master iirc

[hot lily]

that too

[obtuse terrace]

did the traitor lord kill dryya

[indigo venture]

Traitor Mantis did

[hot lily]

we don't know which of the traitors killed her

[indigo venture]

Although he could have been involved

[reef compass]

now i think about it, why did the traiter mantis' never do anything with the white lady?

[indigo venture]

They were trying

Guess who was protecting her

[reef compass]

its implied they never even entered the cacoon, because then the white lady would know dryya was defeated

[reef compass]

she died

[indigo venture]

I mean Dryya's dead could be very recent

[hot lily]

they can't even damage WL

[indigo venture]

Eh

Can you elaborate on that

?

[hot lily]

she has a seal which blocks all physical attacks

[indigo venture]

Oh right

[hot lily]

so even if they could enter the chamber they couldn't actually harm her

[reef compass]

it blocks soul attacks, not physical ones

[hot lily]

pretty sure it blocks both

[indigo venture]

Serarra hop on HK rn and check pls

I can't check myself

[hot lily]

hmm

[reef compass]

want me to checK?

[hot lily]

sure

[reef compass]

yeah it only does soul attacks

[indigo venture]

Eh the possibility of Dryya's dead being really recent still stands

[hot lily]

huh ok

[reef compass]

i guess

her body doesnt seem very overgrown

and WL thinks shes still alive

[final estuary]

Cool

[pure inlet]

Dryya plus Traitor Lord is too big to fit through the door

In Rad’s eyes, if Dryya is dead and White Lady isn’t going to get out she’s taken out of the equation

[velvet veldt]

yo can someone explain p5 ending

what is that big black thing

is that us?

[daring ridge]

I think the knight becomes the shade lord and destroys godhome

I almost typed goshhome 😭

[velvet veldt]

how? and what is shade lord?

and how did he get into black egg and apparently about to slime hornet now

[brisk fiber]

silksong dlc leak

[brisk fiber]

shade lord is the void inside the knight

[daring ridge]

shade lord is the knight’s shade

which id the knight without its shell

[velvet veldt]

and how did he get into black egg

[daring ridge]

The black egg?

[velvet veldt]

yes

[daring ridge]

isnt that where the hollow knight is

[velvet veldt]

yea

havnt u seen the p5 ending cutscene

shadelord destroys godhome and then he comes out of black egg infront of hornet

[daring ridge]

Thats the hollow knight

[velvet veldt]

oh

so he is saved?

[daring ridge]

the radiance is kept inside the hollow knight who is sealed insde the black egg, and once the radince is killed in godhome thk is freed from theblack egg

[velvet veldt]

so thats the best ending

everyone is saved

even us

i hope hollow knight doesnt slime hornet tho

they should hug each other instead

[keen topaz]

Uh what no

That's the hollow knight

In the black egg

Oop already corrected sorry 😭

[autumn snow]

yeah(not my art work was from lofidoodles or smthinf)

[velvet veldt]

aw

[autumn snow]

i like her art style its very pleasing to look at

[velvet veldt]

should have bandaged his crack

[velvet veldt]

head crack

[autumn snow]

yeah i know waht u meant i just likw that meme

[faint tundra]

???

Oh

THK

[brisk fiber]

the moment of realisation

[faint tundra]

Yeah, I needed an up scroll

[brisk fiber]

i took way too long to get it

[faint tundra]

Happens, dw

Anywho, this is a lore channel and I don't have anything else to ask about the game's lore

[unreal ferry]

Who tf lost my lace

[brisk fiber]

SPOILERS
go to #sk-lore
also answer is ||the void||

[patent wing]

Why is the white palace full of saw blades and traps?

I heard the path of pain was the test to determine if the hk was good enough or smth like that but idk about the rest of the palace

[faint tundra]

They are the manifestation of the PK's guilt

[patent wing]

The guilt of leaving all the other vessels trapped in the abyss?

[faint tundra]

The Path of Pain is hiding the worst secret he kept hidden:
||He made THK fail by getting attached to it||

[faint tundra]

You could say that too

[steady island]

Yeah.

Higher beings, these words are for you alone.
Our pure Vessel has ascended.
Beyond lies only the refuse and regret of its creation.
We shall enter that place no longer.

[plain lantern]

its cuz defence

[loud crater]

No, that's not it. Path of Pain memory has no known meaning. THK was always flawed, it didn't gain some flaw later.

[faint tundra]

It's your interpretation of it and I respect it but I disagree with you

[loud crater]

Purity is being able to keep the Radiance perpetually sealed without her leaking. If you can lose that quality, then that means you wouldn't be able to perpetually keep her sealed, meaning you were not Pure in the first place.

[tough jetty]

"if you can die then that means you were never alive in the first place" is literally an analogy of what you said

That's not how that works

I think nythrix is right

[loud crater]

No, its not. Purity is something that can't be lost. Life is. A better analogy would be "If you can die then that means you were never immortal in the first place." Inheritanly life is something finite. Purity is not something finite.

[tough jetty]

I thought purity was finite

That made sense to me

[loud crater]

It isn't.

[thorny moth]

Hmm but isn't purity a quality so why can't it be lost ?
For example if goodness is similar to purity
Goodness can be lost through being evil no?

[tough jetty]

That is what I said herb

It's a quality

Just like being alove

I don't understand why it wouldn't be

[loud crater]

Purity is being able to permanently keep the Radiance sealed. Inherently you can't lose it.

[tough jetty]

Yes you can

[thorny moth]

Tht wud mean , purity is more like a skill/ability than a quality imo
But ig in the games logic it makes sense

[loud crater]

The Pale King wanted a Vessel that could permanently keep the Radiance sealed. This Vessel would need to be "Pure". As such, Purity cannot be lost because it is to be able to permanently keep the Radiance sealed.

[tough jetty]

The vessels have the permanent ability to live if not interacted. If they get hit by a nuke, they lose it
Why doesnt that logic apply?

What

[loud crater]

Ok let's say being alive is iron and purity is gold. Iron will rust over time and eventually become a chunk of rusty metal. Gold, however, does not rust. It won't tarnish and will retain its sheen for ages to come.

[tough jetty]

Vessels can live forever if left unharmed, no?

[loud crater]

They're undead creatures.

[tough jetty]

They don't die to old age or starvation

You get the point

Also gold can be smashed

And broken

Even if it was born perfect

[loud crater]

Its still gold, is it not? Plus that's not really the point.

[tough jetty]

Your own analogies go against your original point

[loud crater]

Also, certain qualities cannot be lost. You can't change your eye color. The sun won't suddenly turn blue.

Also smashing the gold would just kill the vessel, not tarnish it.

[tough jetty]

Can we go back to the point

You: vessels must be born pure and can never become impure
Me: vessels must be born pure and can become impure

Purity is the abscense of something, if you simply add it then it becomes impire

[loud crater]

I never said Vessel were born pure.

[loud crater]

So is it a quality or an absence?

[tough jetty]

Abscense

Abscense of thought

Technically both

[thorny moth]

Then if they can become pure, they can become impure to

[loud crater]

When did i ever mention that they could become Pure?

[olive glade]

the hollow knight became impure

[thorny moth]

I mean if they aren't born pure

[olive glade]

the vessels cant become pure but they can become impure

[thorny moth]

How else wud u become pure

[loud crater]

My stance is that Purity can't lost and since THK failed, it was never Pure to begin with and since all Vessel were created the same way, none of them are Pure.

[loud crater]

You'd have to be born or created Pure.

[thorny moth]

I agree none of them are pure
But I feel for thk it is because he became impure

[tough jetty]

Purity is the state of being unmixed, clean, and free from contamination, guilt, or foreign elements. It is a state of innocence, moral excellence, or physical spotlessness.
-Merriam Webster
They can become impure @loud crater

[olive glade]

he became impure cuz a thought was placed in his mind

[tough jetty]

Yes

[olive glade]

sry they became impure

[tough jetty]

That is what we are saying

Purity is an abscense. If you add something to the abscense, like a thought, then it becomes impire.

.

[loud crater]

This is the general definition, but the accepted definition of Purity in HK is being able to permanently keepbthe Radiance sealed without her leaking. Purity is a vague term and we are never outright told what it is, but based off implications we can assume its being able to permanently seal the Radiance.

[tough jetty]

Purity = no mind to think, no will to break, no voice to cry suffering (generally)

[thorny moth]

Technically to permanently seal her is having no mind or will or desire

[loud crater]

Without a mind where do you seal her?

[tough jetty]

Head

Noggin

[loud crater]

She's a dream born creature. As such she can only exist in the Dream Realm. Meaning she needs a mind to be sealed in.

[thorny moth]

Dosent she get sealed in the void

In dream no more

[tough jetty]

Yes

[loud crater]

No, she gets sealed in THK's dream.

[tough jetty]

And etv

[loud crater]

She fucking dies there.

[thorny moth]

She dies in etv

[loud crater]

And DNM.

[thorny moth]

In dnm she's dragged down into the void does that kill her

[tough jetty]

In the normal ending, Radiance is placed inside of a vessel. Just like void. Void doesn't spill out of the open vessel

If TK had a mind she would take control of it

But it doesn't

So she gets eternally imprisoned

[loud crater]

Yes.

[thorny moth]

Maybe she takes along time to break u

[sand stump]

What's the topic?

[tough jetty]

Can you become impure

[loud crater]

She gets sealed in THK's dream. Which is in THK's mind. Vessels have minds. You can't seal a non physical creature inside a physical container. You use the Vessel's mind to seal her.

[sand stump]

No, if you are pure you possess none of the things that could make you impure

[tough jetty]

@Ghostbusters

[tough jetty]

But could you take possession of one?

Like a bond

Perhaps with your father

[sand stump]

Well if you have no mind to think there is no way for you to be able to think ever
If you have no voice to cry suffering then you have no voice and can never speak
If you have no will to break you never have a will in the first place

[sand stump]

No

The fact Vessels are in any way shape or form capable of feelings or bonds means that they are all impure

[pale pilot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VIzLJY6gcQg?si=siHNjof7PcG8vUSA
Good theory ngl

[sand stump]

The Purest of Vessels were impure too
With them being THk and TK

[pliant warren]

The concept of a "pure vessel" is impossible

[sand stump]

I Know that

I am well aware bro 😭

[pliant warren]

THK was probably the inpurest vessel

It had a very long time to imprint to the will of a lot of people

[loud crater]

There is no "purest" or "impurest" vessel. Its a binary. You either are or aren't.

[pliant warren]

Well, THK is the vessel that is the furthest from being

[olive glade]

and the lil' cutie knighty is the purest

amirite?

[loud crater]

No.

[loud crater]

[loud crater]

Sure whatever you say man.

[olive glade]

yes

also shaw

go fuck your mom

[loud crater]

Your mother was a goat.

[olive glade]

or sum shit

[olive glade]

u mean as a compliment or the animal?

[loud crater]

Animal.

[olive glade]

well i say go fuck yours that is a tree

i dont know y i said that

i just wanted to

so go fuck your mom

and shut up

[loud crater]

My dad owns Hallownest, he's gonna banish your ass so hard.

[olive glade]

i dont live there

womp womp bitch

hahha

i got the death note

[loud crater]

You sound like you think Hornet is Void.

[olive glade]

THIS IS MY PERFECT VICTORY

[olive glade]

she isnt

she is a living being

not a vessel

fuck you

and ur family

cuz u aint got a brain

nor a body

ur just a theory

A GAME THEORY

[pale pilot]

That's kinda rude

[jaunty mulch]

Seems peacful what is this

[hexed summit]

The sun

[slim widget]

challenge? what am i gonna fight, the sun?

[humble jay]

I think ||the Hollow Knight|| is better than ||Hornet||

[crimson coral]

yh me too

i killed 47 gods

he*

here's 10 reasons why the knight is better than hornet

Full Customization (Charms)
The Knight can equip tons of charm combinations, letting you tailor builds for damage, defense, mobility, or spellcasting. Hornet doesn’t have that flexibility.
Stronger Endgame Potential
With the right charms (like damage or spell boosts), the Knight can become extremely powerful—arguably stronger than Hornet at peak performance.
Spell Variety
The Knight has multiple spells (ranged blast, dive attack, upward scream), giving more options in combat. Hornet mainly relies on her needle.
Healing Ability (Focus)
The Knight can heal mid-fight using Soul, which is a massive advantage in longer battles.
More Mobility Upgrades
Abilities like double jump, dash upgrades, and wall-jumping give the Knight incredible traversal and combat mobility.
Higher Skill Ceiling
Because of charms and mechanics, the Knight allows for deeper strategy and more advanced builds.
Better Crowd Control
Spells and nail attacks let the Knight handle multiple enemies more efficiently.
Adaptability to Any Situation
You can switch charms at benches to prepare for bosses, exploration, or challenges—Hornet’s toolkit is more fixed.
Access to Nail Upgrades
The Knight can upgrade their nail multiple times, significantly increasing damage output.
Proven Against Stronger Threats
Canonically and gameplay-wise, the Knight faces and overcomes some of the toughest bosses and challenges in Hallownest.

[calm edge]

Damn

I agree but

Wow

[brisk venture]

You're comparing a bundle of dynamite to a thermonuclear bomb

[calm edge]

Lots of word

[brisk venture]

The fuck did you expect 😭😭

[loud crater]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[crimson coral]

yh i know im kinda lonely in school i talk barely to anyone so i spend a lot of time playing videogames (especially indie ones) and i'm really interested to hollow knight's lore

i'm happy that someone finally noticed me

[loud crater]

You're always free to talk here about HK Lore.

[crimson coral]

ty

[jaunty mulch]

Soo am I the only one that thinks that Hollow Knight has deep spiritual elements? Or?

[loud crater]

Wdym?

[jaunty mulch]

The void is well stillness, like Zen and well. Infection be like illusions of the mind

[autumn dome]

I only gotta provide one reason and that is masks lost when hurt

[signal marlin]

yes

[loud crater]

Yes, you're the only one.

[humble current]

The void isn't still tho

[safe prairie]

good point

[jaunty mulch]

Thanks

[sand stump]

That isn't what the Void is though 😭

The Void in very simple terms is Hunger

Not sure if thats the right word

But the Void itself is raging and always looking for something to take

If you give it any chance it will take advantage of that and take you or others in

It constantly seeks for things and is a very destructive force

[safe prairie]

yeah and i'd say light/the radiance is your spirit(also not sure if that's the right word)

idk i'm thinking in terms of plato

[sand stump]

yeah, Essence is something made in your soul from what I've gotten

[safe prairie]

yes and essence may be represented by your emotions

[sand stump]

They're very different forces but do have similar properties

[safe prairie]

idk

[sand stump]

Essence and Soul I mean

[safe prairie]

your spirit(radiance) conjures emotions(essence) and other stuff
but when it is cast aside by a greater force and entirely forgotten, it becomes violent and desparate to take back recognition

[loud crater]

Essence is your mind, not your spirit.

Or emotions.

I guess the closest thing to a spirit is Soul.

[final estuary]

Agree

[wise forge]

Lore: Radiance is a god or smth

[loud crater]

Correct.

[wise forge]

thx for supporting my theory

[lament mesa]

What is the hk lore

[clever bobcat]

Em actually the hollow Knight has no emotion no will and technically no mine to think

[stiff carbon]

Pale king takes away the radiance's people and makes them smart, so radiance gets mad and starts the infection. Pale king and white lady create a ton of vessels with void within them, attempting to make them "hollow" but most of them kinda failed. Except the Hollow Knight, but it isn't actually hollow. He isn't hollow cuz pale king was a good dad, which then the hollow knight felt love towards pale king, making it not suitable for containing the radiance. Then the Knight appears

Im too lazy to say the rest of the lore

[indigo venture]

Eh a few mistakes

Pale King is never stated to actively made an effort to make the Moths abandon the Radiance, it's implied the Moths went willingly

Plus the Moths already had sapience

I think the most major mistake is that THK isn't a "He"

[clever bobcat]

no, you forgot about something. He wasn’t a good dad the only thing he did wrong was to raise him

[indigo venture]

[loud crater]

It has a will and a mind.

[stiff carbon]

Ik

[indigo venture]

Second, Pale King and White Lady created a lot of normal children, and then threw their eggs into the Abyss for them to die and create the Vessels

They didn't just give birth to Vessels with void alr in them

[clever bobcat]

No because if you want to make something hollow you want to make it not have a mind or a will

[indigo venture]

Minor mistake is saying "Most of them kinda failed", all of them kinda failed, but that's more of a nitpick

[stiff carbon]

And that I didn't know. Thanks

[indigo venture]

Who knows

What's defined as Hollow in HK (Or in this case Pure) is a bit confusing

Like all Vessels are hollow, in the sense they got nothing going on inside them

[loud crater]

Without a mind there is no place to seal the Radiance and without a will it just doesn't do anything.

[indigo venture]

But as in Hollow able to seal the Radiacne within them forever, that is unkown

Plus the Radiance CAN infect things without will or minds

[clever bobcat]

Pure vessel is in its prime state

[indigo venture]

Umh

Yes?

That came outta the blue

[clever bobcat]

The person asked that like a couple minutes ago

[stiff carbon]

I would've explained it more accurately but I was kinda rushed and was too lazy

[indigo venture]

Oh I didn't see that

[indigo venture]

5/10

[clever bobcat]

[balmy stag]

so i just got the true ending and im very confused

what happened

[near sequoia]

You command the Void to kill the deity behind the infection, the Radiance, which stops it for good

With your goal done you just go to chill in the abyss

[balmy stag]

and in turn you end up dying?

[near sequoia]

Your shell breaks but the shade is still there and by extension your mind

[median sleet]

Whys the godhome resident in the junkyard?

[near sequoia]

But with the infection gone there's not much to do other then rest so kinda

[balmy stag]

thats cool ig

kinda lame but whatever

[near sequoia]

That's where all the junk in the kingdom flows down to, her sarcophagus probably just drifted there

There's not really any explanation as for why she was locked up or who did it

[pure hedge]

Maybe we'll get more godhome lore in Silksong

[indigo venture]

What's more is there to explore

[pure hedge]

Why the sarcophagus was in the junkyard, and who did it

I mean, ik it's a stretch, but still

[indigo venture]

Why would that be explored in Silksong

[pure hedge]

One can only hope

[indigo venture]

I mean it's pretty irrelevant

It happened, that's it

[pure hedge]

ik that's what I mean, it's a stretch

[indigo venture]

It's not like The Masters did it or sum'

[pure hedge]

Lol

U never know

[indigo venture]

I do

It won't

It's like hoping Esmy/Nola gets elaborated on whatsoever

There's hope and then theres setting yourself up for disappointment

[pure hedge]

Lol fair

[desert nebula]

Why are bosses like dung defender not in their prime form in godhome while sealed vessel is attuned into pv

[indigo venture]

Game design

[desert nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/cringe-death-dies-of-cringe-davy-jones-dying-of-cringe-gif-22207406

[indigo venture]

If I had to guess a lore explanation

Godseekers didn't really need The Hollow Knight

Thus they didn't bother to try and attune to them

That plus TK never fights THK out of endings, so it didn't attune it either

[hot lily]

White Defender is his prime

[desert nebula]

Dream bosses are different

[hot lily]

no, because PV is a dream boss but also THK's prime form

[median sleet]

How does touching a statue bring a boss to life?

[hot lily]

in which case

[median sleet]

im in the boss replay area

[indigo venture]

It doesn't bring a boss to life

Hall of Gods simply holds the attuned bosses, which are symbolized by statues

If I had to guess the Godseekers sometimes pray to these statues

[median sleet]

Okay

[hot lily]

Statues make you fight copies

[indigo venture]

Serarra

[jaunty mulch]

@safe prairie Are you NPCs nowhere in the lore does it state that, quite the opposite in fact. In the void memeory of the pale King it states what i told you , no tuaghts, no feelings etc

[signal marlin]

PKs birthplace speech doesnt reflect voids behaviour

ellina notes the aggressive behaviour of the sea of void, and even noting the idiom a "mind of its own"

[sand stump]

what

[signal marlin]

theyre seemingly saying that conclusion isnt found from the game

[sand stump]

oh

[signal marlin]

and citing PKs speech as how the void behaves

[sand stump]

Thats not even what PK is describing 😭

PK isn't talking about the Void itself in the speech, he is talking about Vessels

[signal marlin]

thats how i read their message at least

[jaunty mulch]

Dont mind NPC nadiam

[jaunty mulch]

The gams actions doesnt reflect the lore

[signal marlin]

they demonstrably do

[jaunty mulch]

Thats literally with every game, fictional premise

[jaunty mulch]

Nooe

Look at all the superhero games

[signal marlin]

for example - ellina sees the troupe come to hallownest

[jaunty mulch]

You think Batman can fist fight superman lol

[sand stump]

You can't just barge in say "no" and then say some dopey shite

[signal marlin]

were looking at hollow knight

[jaunty mulch]

No one is doing that here kid

[signal marlin]

youd need very profound evidence that actions in the game arent canon

[jaunty mulch]

The lore lol

[signal marlin]

thats not an answer

[jaunty mulch]

Prety obvious if you artn an idiot

[sand stump]

The lore is effected by in game things

[timber snow]

the difference is intentional here
PK does not fully understand how void works, it’s why the vessel project don’t work

[signal marlin]

<@&283547423706447872> get ts out of here

[jaunty mulch]

In no fictional setting its that way

[modest saffron]

what

oh

[sand stump]

I'm not even gonna argue

[timber snow]

that’s just wrong

[jaunty mulch]

Well it isnt

[round bough]

Hell nah

[jaunty mulch]

But you could believe what you want

[modest saffron]

hello cheese

[round bough]

Hey gwnj

[sand stump]

I could've phrased better
I meant like, the shit in the game so like the Infection progressing, which counts as some sort of Lore, is progressed by ingame actions
The Infected Corssroads only comes out from killing a Dreamer or by getting the Monarch Wings

[signal marlin]

its already phrased correctly

[timber snow]

it is? the games lore is affected by things in game, endings, literally the story plays out during the game, either you aren’t explaining yourself right or youre just wrong
that’s just a fact, it’s not a matter of believing
PK’s feeling about void clearly don’t reflect its actual nature
he believed it to be an unfeeling unthinking substance
but silksong and he’ll even the first game show it’s not

[jaunty mulch]

That doesnt change the inherent being of what said , thing is suposed to

[jaunty mulch]

Your argument is like saying

Religiously

Oh the bibble preaches good and peace

But let me just go genocide

[timber snow]

what

how is that at all equivalent

[sand stump]

Okay what

[jaunty mulch]

Low iq moment

[timber snow]

for you?

[jaunty mulch]

U ofc

Yes

[timber snow]

i’m gonna assume you’re trolling and not actually just slow

[signal marlin]

can we get a mod that knows what theyre doing

[signal marlin]

theyre probably trying to say that a source (gameplay) can show one thing while reality (lore) contradicts it, but it doesnt really work in this context

[timber snow]

i mean in this case
that hurts their argument
the game says one thing but the lore shows that void just doesn’t work like how PK believed it to

[signal marlin]

yeah idk what theyre really trying to say for sure

[indigo venture]

They were making shit up

[signal marlin]

[round bough]

My job is not to settle qualms in this channel

[signal marlin]

hopefully its to tell people to not be toxic

and to follow the channels rules

was powdered a necessary evil?!

[timber snow]

isn’t a mods job to settle qualms
isn’t that what you do, you get pinged to keep the peace
what else do you do but moderate

[round bough]

That was you disagreeing with another user, I different

[round bough]

There was a random mod ping and I did not see any toxicity next to it

[signal marlin]

i mean 2 messages above the ping was a message calling someone an idiot

and any backreading would show they were creating a hostile environment

[round bough]

Reply to the messages when you're mod pinging next time

[zenith fiber]

fr

its sloppy work coming from a mini mod

[round bough]

You have been mod pinged...

[signal marlin]

💀

[sand stump]

whas goin on

[round bough]

Gang I have a life to attend

[signal marlin]

idk what thats supposed to mean here

[round bough]

That I don't always have the time to scroll through a whole Convo for rule breaks so just point me to where it is next time?

[signal marlin]

i dont really think thats true but ok

[faint tundra]

This is not lore

[brisk venture]

Shitty lore

[inner turtle]

.

this aint no lore

i think we need mossbag

or like ccmaci

@rugged lodge

@blissful nacelle

[faint tundra]

This guy had 5 years of constant Nitro, holy damn

[inner turtle]

lol

[faint tundra]

It's the first person I have seen to have kept their Nitro sub this long

[inner turtle]

oh hes a famuos hk player

[gusty rose]

why does soul make you fat?

[brisk venture]

Asking the real questions here

[desert forum]

Soul occupies space

We've seen it stored in vessels

[desert forum]

And these are literally soul eaters so it was gonna happen

[gusty rose]

I guess I guess

[obtuse terrace]

guys how did the pale king and lady make kids out of void

like what is the void charm

and king charm

and whyd they split it

[regal orchid]

They had a bunch of kids and dropped them into the abyss to perish, leaving behind empty shells. The void filled these shells

[regal orchid]

The rest of that I cannot answer, I’m afraid

[desert forum]

No he's asking HOW

[obtuse terrace]

the kids died?

[regal orchid]

Yh I said how. The how is what they did to do it

[regal orchid]

Yh. What was once the kid that was TK is long dead.

[desert forum]

HOW they made kids is what he asked

[obtuse terrace]

the white palace is pretty big whys he killing them

[desert forum]

I guess

[regal orchid]

How else are kids made? They asked ‘out of void’ so I told them how the void took over the bodies. Read their question

[obtuse terrace]

hold on

isnt the hollowknight made of void

or is he normal

[regal orchid]

Yh

All the vessels are ‘born of wyrm, root and void’

[obtuse terrace]

sooo

he was someone left to perish

and then he came back

[regal orchid]

Yh

[obtuse terrace]

or what

[desert forum]

Idk man

[regal orchid]

They needed an empty vessel, so they made a bunch of eggs that opened in the abyss and died. That’s why TK’s egg is down there

Then the first one that climbed out of the abyss was the one chosen, although what the climb meant is unclear

[obtuse terrace]

where's his egg

[regal orchid]

||It’s how you get voidheart. You dream nail the egg|| spoiler tagged in case you haven’t gotten that far in the game

[obtuse terrace]

dang thats his egg

[regal orchid]

Yh

It’s TK understanding it’s birth and purpose

[nocturne basalt]

I wonder if there are any vessels still alive in other kingdom than just THK and Ghost?

[surreal shuttle]

so like

what the fuck makes that sound after you get ambushed on the beasts den bench

have there been any theories regarding this

[faint tundra]

Not sure what they are

[vivid folio]

can anyone help me on how to get 112% i banished grimm not sure if that will give %

[brisk venture]

It does

[stable raptor]

there surely are

[faint tundra]

Go to #hk-help

[blissful pewter]

All I know is that if you look down in that room, you will faintly see something and hear something

[vivid folio]

oh wrong channel

[vivid folio]

111% yayyy

[regal orchid]

Nice

[gleaming spade]

HOLLOW KNIGHT IS PEAK!!

#true

[hollow epoch]

you are not the hollow knight

[sand stump]

Best take

[safe prairie]

you are not the hollow knight, but you are the hollow knight

[loud crater]

A hollow knight*

[upper marlin]

I need a meme where it's like
Thank you hollow knight because you are a knight that is hollow

[vivid folio]

thats not a meme

is that funny

is that even supposed to be funny

[round bough]

You're not hollow

No Vessel is hollow

[loud crater]

All Vessels are Hollow. No Vessel is Pure.

[round bough]

They have emotions

They are not hollow

[loud crater]

Hollow is just being filled with Void. Where did emotions even come from?

[upper marlin]

I didn't ask your opinion bruh

[vivid folio]

i dont need you to ask to give my opinion

[upper marlin]

But not all people have the same joke taste and you can't just thrash a joke bc of it

[vivid folio]

im not thrashing it im just giving my "opinion"

[upper marlin]

Yeah sure

[vivid folio]

its not funny ok

[upper marlin]

Maybe it's not all people have the same taste

[vivid folio]

ofc

[upper marlin]

And it's funny for me maybe not you

[vivid folio]

maybe because i dont even understand the joke

[vivid folio]

ok

[upper marlin]

Then don't give your opinion in a something you don't know

Also that's a chain saw man meme

[vivid folio]

i dont understand the reference so imo its not funny?

im not saying that "oh the joke is unfunny so you bla bla bla"

[gritty lodge]

hi

Can I ask a question about grimm

[loud crater]

Yes.

[safe prairie]

shoot

[gritty lodge]

All I know grimm is kinda god but whats his role in lore

[indigo venture]

He is the avatar of one

[loud crater]

Vessel*

[indigo venture]

Grimm is a creation of the Nightmare Realm's Higher Being

The Nightmare Heart

[indigo venture]

Is avatar wrong

I have him written as avatar everywhere

[loud crater]

Yes. He just stores it, he doesn't really rep it like an avatar would.

[gritty lodge]

vessel? like hollow knight or other siblings

[loud crater]

No, not that kind of Vessel.

[gritty lodge]

oh so he is from another town or dimension like radiance

[indigo venture]

Dimension

[indigo venture]

See this is why I avoid calling grimm vessel

[gritty lodge]

I got it but why he was in the town

[indigo venture]

For Scarlet Flames

The grimm troupe travels around the world in search of dead kingdoms

[loud crater]

He says so in his dialoge. He goes from fallen Kingdom to fallen Kingdom to harvest Nightmare Essence for the Nightmare Heart.

[indigo venture]

Dead/Decaying Kingdoms apparently produce something known as "Scarlet Flames"

Wait fuck

Where did I get Scarlet Flame from

[loud crater]

He calls its Scarlet Flames sometimes.

[pure inlet]

The nightmare heart creates multiple Grimms (two at once) one to serve as its present vessel and one to be used by the ritual helper to consume it

[indigo venture]

Oh okay good

[gritty lodge]

does he gathering to create a creature or something like that?

[indigo venture]

No

It's to strengthen Grimmchild so it can replace the Current Grimm as Vessel of TNH

[gritty lodge]

oh so its like a loop

[indigo venture]

The last flame being Grimm themselves, which after the fight with NKG is devoured by Grimmchild

[indigo venture]

Yes

[gritty lodge]

hmm waht about zote

[indigo venture]

What about Zote

[gritty lodge]

sorry for my grammer, english is not my native language

all I know he was like a prience

[indigo venture]

He is not a prince

That we know of anyway

[loud crater]

Yes but calling him an avatar isn't exactly accurate either. Grimm is a vessel, but not a Vessel.

[raven mason]

Hi

[stoic lintel]

The knight... Was hollow

[indigo venture]

Not

[near sequoia]

avatar is accurate tho

[stoic lintel]

What is this? Some kind of silk song?

[near sequoia]

he's a physical manifestation of NMH in a sense

[indigo venture]

Hi Starpengu

[indigo venture]

The Knight was never hollow

[near sequoia]

Hi mega

[indigo venture]

no vessel is or was

[loud crater]

All Vessels are Hollow, no Vessel is Pure.

[indigo venture]

Yk what I mean

[half coyote]

Could dung defender have come to Hallownest post city of tears?

Because why would he be there unless the sewer drew him there?

Also, did the pale king somehow give the five nights longer lifespan? Because dung defender is really old and so is Zemer.

[fathom sierra]

I mean I would say they are close to dying, ze’mer died after we delivered the delicate flower to the traitors daughter

or “ascended” ig

[fading crane]

What are those white roots that can be seen on the white palace?

[loud crater]

Probably memory constructs formed by the PK. Or WL seeping into the memory.

[fading crane]

Mm, curious.

[timber snow]

well he was a great knight

and the city didnt start raining until recently

[blissful nacelle]

I was @ for some reason

Hi whoever did that

[loud crater]

Interesting.

[half coyote]

The lake was always above the city right??

[timber snow]

yes, but it only started to leak through the ceiling in recent times

wear and tear on the roof, natural erosion

[hexed summit]

So they just predicted that it would leak through with the name

[timber snow]

no it wasn’t called the city of tears originally

maybe Hallownest’s Heart, as told by a sign, but the name city of tears is new

[faint tundra]

Yeah, earlier today by a guy that pinged both Mossbag and you for being Loretubers

[void echo]

Do we know when exactly have the city gates been sealed?

[sand stump]

The best idea we have is some time during the first or second wave of infection

[blissful nacelle]

That's cool

[blissful nacelle]

The city was built with plumbing and drainage in mind. Drainage is a part of the architecture rather than looking like an afterthought.

[loud crater]

The raining started after Hallownest's fall. Otherwise they wouldn't have swapped to using spider silk parchment, which was rendered illegible due to the moisture.

[blissful nacelle]

They might not have realized the consequences of prolonged moisture exposure when they made the switch with silk parchment. PK having an alliance with the Weavers (due to having hornet?) is likely what gave Hallownest access to Silk, so Silk wasn't an available resource for them to experience what happens to it under moisture.

Plus... Royal Waterways.

[indigo venture]

Maybe the City was built like that because the bug engineers predicted that eventually the Lake above the City would begin leaking down

[blissful nacelle]

Maybe, its an uphill climb to prove that tho

[indigo venture]

Maybe PK saw with Foresight that the capital of the Kingdom would eventually suffer leaking from the lake above, so decided to kill two birds with one stone and build Royal Waterways to deal with normal contamination and the leaking

[hexed summit]

Who is pk

[loud crater]

Pale King.

[tranquil yoke]

[hot lily]

topic?

[tranquil yoke]

[faint tundra]

So the argument is about the rain happening in the City of Tears

A bit above it's stated that it started in recent times

[hot lily]

correct

[faint tundra]

And CCMaci here said that the City's architecture was built with plumbing and drainage in mind

[hot lily]

yes, however plumbing and drainage does not necessarily equal anti-flooding

in fact Cornifer goes so far as to state that the only reason the Waterways are relatively clean is because of the lake's leaking water

[hot lily]

original statement is correct

[faint tundra]

Then the discussion shifted towards silk parchments and I lost narrative from there, I'm sorry 😭

Something about the parchments being damaged by the rain?

[obtuse terrace]

isnt it the blue lake being right ontop

[faint tundra]

I don't really know, the Hollow Knight lore has been so open to interpretation to me that arguing about it seems to be too much for myself

[faint tundra]

Yes

It is

The cracks in the ceiling of the big cave they used as space for building the City of Tears cause the rain

[indigo venture]

The silk used for historical records was severely damaged from the leaks of the Blue Lake

[blissful nacelle]

There's no definitive evidence of when it started raining. All we know is that the "declining age" is when they switched to parchment.

Speculation wise, Silk was likely a NEWLY introduced to the Kingdom's available resources due to PK's working with the Weavers. Its more likely they were unaware prolonged exposure to moisture would ruin the parchment. So we can't use this parchment line as evidence for when it started raining, cause they would've used parchment whether or not it was raining.

Plus, they built the Royal Waterways in the "declining age?"

That's why I say its an uphill battle, its just easier to say that its always been raining

[blissful nacelle]

Cornifer isn't a resident of Hallownest, he wouldn't know when it started raining. Plus there's no waste because everyone's dead, of course water would clean any prior waste.

[regal orchid]

Hai serrara

[marble gorge]

Hello 👋

[hexed sleet]

Ello

[timber osprey]

the knight is made of void

crazy right

[loud crater]

Not exactly. Their insides are Void, not their shell.

[timber osprey]

yes

but there shell is technically skin to the knight

[loud crater]

Its their exoskeleton.

[hexed sleet]

Ello

[shrewd canopy]

ello

[green pilot]

i somewhat doubt that

[loud crater]

It... is tho.

[green pilot]

the knight holds the delicate flower

like i feel like that would be impossible for it to do

[loud crater]

It can do that because its shell isn't made of Void.

[green pilot]

are you aware of what exoskeleton means?

[loud crater]

Pretty sure, yeah.

[green pilot]

the exoskeleton is the outer shell of a bug

you can see what seems to be the exoskeleton of a vessel on pure vessel

So unless the knight is holding it with their head i doubt their entire exoskeleton is composed of void

[loud crater]

I never said it was made of Void? It strictly isn't Void.

[green pilot]

.

oh wait

i might have messed upp my context

[loud crater]

Bro.

[green pilot]

Shit my bad

My pre-frontal cortex has clearly yet to develop 😔

[indigo venture]

The shell of Vessels isn't void

They seem to have the ability to engulf it on void though

[green pilot]

to some wierd extent yeah

[indigo venture]

wierd?

[green pilot]

Kind of wierd that they just throw upp void on themselves

[loud crater]

It seeps out through their shells like sweat.

[timber snow]

ew

[green pilot]

thats even worse

[loud crater]

Better than throwing it up imo.

[green pilot]

Poor guys are sweating god killer juice after a short jog

[loud crater]

They only sweat it out when triggered by a Void spell or when severely damaged.

[green pilot]

I do also find it interesting that void is a kind of magic

[indigo venture]

Void is everything

[green pilot]

It can like do anything at this point: make life, eat life, become gas, become liquid, become solid, be used in spells, be summoned, maniuplate people.

kind of reminds me of this

[loud crater]

I mean, technically humans can do all those things as well.

[tough jetty]

Only 13? I'm on new shampoo plus bro catch up

[green pilot]

They can.. become gas?

I mean if you try hard enough I guess??

[tough jetty]

From personal experience, yes you can

[loud crater]

Exactly.

Into the plasma oven with me.

[tough jetty]

Sorry jimmy

[loud crater]

ssssssssssssss

[green pilot]

..

Be summoned?

[loud crater]

Observe.

[green pilot]

Bro guys please don't summon me

[loud crater]

@indigo venture

[tough jetty]

Jimmy is grub #47 by the way

[indigo venture]

What

[loud crater]

I summoned you as a demonstration.

[green pilot]

While we are at it we could use you in a spell

[indigo venture]

Oh okay

[indigo venture]

depends on the spell

[loud crater]

Mega gimme your blood.

[tough jetty]

Guys I have a theory

[green pilot]

We summon a 14 in 1 shampoo for grub #38

[tough jetty]

Only 14

?

Coward

[green pilot]

Come on man we would need to sacrifice another 3 people to get too 15

It scales pretty fast

For 16 we would need 4 people and 2 lamb

[tough jetty]

Add microwave, lamp, pillow, nuclear bomb, Super colliding Super compression Heavy Weight Ultra Button, Dramamine, copium, therapist, bathing suit, airplane, and window and you'll get to 1/10 of my power

I have limited space in this jar so everything has to fit

[proven umbra]

how is the knight still there to get the weathered mask if he already beat the pantheon and turned into void form

[indigo venture]

VGFocus can change shapes at will

We can see that In Godseeker mode

[proven umbra]

vg?

[indigo venture]

Void Given

[proven umbra]

so the knight actually returns back to his normal form and the pantheon never ends?

[indigo venture]

TK just goes back to it's "Normal" form to keep fighting

It developed a liking for the fight it'd seem

[proven umbra]

but wb the radiance

didn't it already die

[indigo venture]

What about them

[indigo venture]

Yes

It's the same bases as Absrad in HoG, it's an imprint of Radiance

[proven umbra]

oooh cuz the real radiance is in thk

[indigo venture]

No Radiance in Godseeker mode fucking died

Godseeker mode happens after the events of Embrace The Void

Why am I talking about Godseeker mode even that wasn't the proper question

[proven umbra]

i was talking about fighting the radiance again in normal mode

[tough jetty]

||Radiance|| just save scums ig

Oh

Forgot this wasn't help lol

[proven umbra]

u don't have to be rude

[tough jetty]

What did I do?

[hot lily]

no no no

AbsRad is the real Radiance

the one in the Hall of Gods is a copy of the original

[proven umbra]

the reaction

[proven umbra]

so how do i get to fight it again

also if it's the real radiance, then who is the one inside the hollow knight

[hot lily]

if you fight Radiance within THK, you do not canonically respawn on a bench

that timeline ends after that ending

[hot lily]

the same being; Radiance is briged into Godhome from THK's mind

[loud crater]

Also The Radiance.

[proven umbra]

i understand that,which is why i asked my first question

[green pilot]

Wait but guys.. who's the knight then? Because there is a knight that shows upp in the black egg and another one in godhome

[loud crater]

What?

[proven umbra]

if the story timeline ends after the ending, how does the knight get the weathered mask or just linger infront of a glowing pantheon entrance

[green pilot]

I'm joking 😭

[proven umbra]

sarcasm😮‍💨

[tough jetty]

Guys I have a theory

[hot lily]

well, as a chronological sequence of events, that timeline ends by TK becoming the God of Gods and going into Godseeker Mode

[tough jetty]

It's called hk because hollow starts with h and knight starts with k, NOT because h is the fifth letter in toothbrush and because k is salubra's favorite letter

[proven umbra]

so whatever u do in the normal mode after beating the pantheon in it is nothing related to the story line, it's already been moved to somewhere else

[tough jetty]

It took me 3 years to realize

[proven umbra]

k is salubra's favourite letter?

[tough jetty]

Yeah

I talked to her in person

She just said k to all of my questions....

It's crazy how she could answer before I was halfway done saying the question

[hot lily]

yeah, anything beyond the ending cutscene (excluding Godseeker Mode) doesn't chronologically happen in that timeline

[proven umbra]

makes sense, thank you

[native night]

you lost me mid way through

[severe stratus]

doez enyone know if hornet ,grimm nd knight r releted

they heve zimiler mezk

[indigo venture]

Hornet and The Knight are, Grimm isn't related to either

[severe stratus]

wht r they

[indigo venture]

Hornet and The Knight are siblings

[severe stratus]

how

hornet from phrloom nd knight from hellownezt

[indigo venture]

Hornet is the daughter of PK
The Knight is (Somewhat) child of PK

[indigo venture]

They are both from Hallownest

Hornet visits Pharloom after being born

[severe stratus]

zo rnt they couzinz ,cuz they hev different mother

[indigo venture]

No they are half-siblings

[severe stratus]

?

[indigo venture]

Cousins is when a sibling of one of your parents has offspring with someone unrelated

[severe stratus]

wtf

[indigo venture]

Half-siblings are when two persons share one parent

[severe stratus]

zo like ztep brother nd ztep zizteer

[indigo venture]

Step brother and Step Sister are different

[severe stratus]

like eren nd zeke from etteck on titen

[indigo venture]

Step-siblings are when one parent, has a relationship with someone who has already an offspring of another

[indigo venture]

I do not know this

[severe stratus]

wow u zhould wtch it

[indigo venture]

No

[severe stratus]

tht mekez zenze ,tq

[tough jetty]

Hornet and knight are half-siblings (they share one parent)
Grimm is Grimm.

[loud crater]

Yea.

[tough jetty]

Grimm is part of some foreign cult thing

He might be from cult of the lamb, idk I'm not that far yet

[lime bane]

Wrong channel sorry

[fading crane]

The Godseekers' ritual allowed the Knight to reach his maximum power. This new form (Void Given Focus) changed his appearance and made him most big. What if something similar happened to Pure Vessel?

[loud crater]

Do you mean PV's power increase from THK or the way they grew?

[fading crane]

I'm referring to its growth.

[loud crater]

Chances are it grew because of like Pale Being magic from PK or WL.

[fading crane]

And like GMS?

[loud crater]

What about her?

She has no bearing on THK.

[fading crane]

She used her power to evolve existing spiders into weavers, increasing their size in the process.

[loud crater]

And? She did that by forcing Silk into their bodies. Not exactly something PK or WL could do.

[fading crane]

Oh, no, of course not. But when you mentioned the magic of the pale beings, it reminded me of that.

[spice mortar]

quick question, how does silk work in silksong? is it created by hurting others or is just something you can pick up? also can grandmommy silk control all silk? because you can use clawline and silk skills in her fight

[fading crane]

Perhaps the kings of Hallownest used another method to make their Vessel grow.

[loud crater]

#sk-lore

[spice mortar]

opps wrong one sorry

[uncut mountain]

Why is it called the City of Tears?

[fading crane]

Because the constant rain.

[lusty plinth]

This didn’t happen to Rad

The size is just the increase in power allowing the Knight to subsume the full Void into its body

[fading crane]

Oh, ok.

Thank you for your answer.

[hot lily]

yeah THK was "raised and trained to prime form"

[lusty plinth]

That’s not what they meant

[indigo venture]

Pure Vessel is a memory of THK's Pure form, before being tainted by the Infection

[fading crane]

[humble current]

Go to #sk-lore

[indigo venture]

I think the only bosses that actively get strengthened by Godseeker's godly focus are like, Sheo and AbsRad

[fading crane]

Oh, ok.

[lusty plinth]

All of them do

It’s why they get HP buffs

[indigo venture]

Visually I meant

But yeah fair enough

[lusty plinth]

PV

[indigo venture]

Eh I didn't count memories

[lusty plinth]

They only get to that memory through attunement

[indigo venture]

Fair

[loud crater]

🐌

[humble current]

I'm sorry :(

[untold stirrup]

whta topic??

[brisk fiber]

the hollow knights life is so miserable
"it's only sin was to love the person, it had every right to hate"

[indigo venture]

It's not confirmed if THK's bond with PK was one of love

could have been Kinship or such

[scenic surge]

it's basically confirmed to be love?