hk-lore

[indigo venture]

They just made TK lose consciousness momentarily

[obtuse terrace]

for what purpose

[indigo venture]

Threat.

[obtuse terrace]

also how did they even appear if they are asleep

[indigo venture]

They can manifest themselves in the "Real World" somehow

Apparently having the ability to lock someone's mind in the Dream Realm

[obtuse terrace]

how did they even know that he was there and beat hornet

[obtuse terrace]

hmm

[indigo venture]

They can see a lot from the Dream Realm

[obtuse terrace]

they tried to do that later

[indigo venture]

Plus they've been dealing with Vessel after Vessel trying to beat Hornet.

[obtuse terrace]

really vessels keep escaping?

[indigo venture]

Escaping what

[obtuse terrace]

the voidabyss

abyss

[indigo venture]

Yeah a few escaped

BV, GPV, TK

Yada yada

[obtuse terrace]

why is hornet killing them

[indigo venture]

Nosk's Lairs Vessel

[indigo venture]

Because they aren't strong enough

[obtuse terrace]

huh

[indigo venture]

Quick question have you played the game?

[obtuse terrace]

whats bv and gpv

[obtuse terrace]

yeah

[indigo venture]

Broken Vessel and Greenpath Vessel

[obtuse terrace]

oh

[indigo venture]

GPV is just what I call the one that gives Mothwing Cloak

[obtuse terrace]

i wonder how he got it

[indigo venture]

From a moth

[obtuse terrace]

arent they extinct

how long has his corpse been there

[median sleet]

Whys the white kingdom dead?

[obtuse terrace]

the pale king died with no known reason

but no one knows

except the knight

[indigo venture]

What

White Kingdom?

[indigo venture]

How would TK know

[indigo venture]

Probably recently

[obtuse terrace]

because we saw his corse fall

[median sleet]

the area with the white enemies and parkour

[obtuse terrace]

lowkey

[indigo venture]

We literally play as one

[indigo venture]

White palace

[indigo venture]

And?

[obtuse terrace]

bro what

[obtuse terrace]

I mean we know hes dead

not how he died

[indigo venture]

Like If I found a corpse I wouldn't be able to tell what fucking killed them without any major clues

[obtuse terrace]

no one else knows he died probs

[indigo venture]

Oh that

Yes no one knows

[obtuse terrace]

wait

can the knight read

[indigo venture]

The Pale King transported his palace to the mind of a kingsmould to escape the shame he felt after failling Hallownest

[indigo venture]

Yes

[obtuse terrace]

has he really never tried to communicate before

and just listens

[indigo venture]

He likely has

[obtuse terrace]

does anyone even comment on him never speaking

[indigo venture]

He can communicate decisions and such

That's more a meta thing

[indigo venture]

Yes

[obtuse terrace]

who

[indigo venture]

It isn't relevant regardless

[indigo venture]

Fym Who 😭

[obtuse terrace]

do people even know what he is

[indigo venture]

Ogrim kinda

[obtuse terrace]

besides hornet

[indigo venture]

Hornet yes

Most of the 5GK know

WL knows

Grimm Knows

[obtuse terrace]

dang grimm

[indigo venture]

Hunter knows somewhat

He knows about Vessel's existance and odd nature but nothing past that

Aside from that I can't recall anyone else from memory, prob missing someone

[timber snow]

hella late, but it’s likely TK communicates nonverbally
like pointing and shit

[split compass]

sign language

[indigo venture]

They don't have fingers

[blissful pewter]

They use their nubs for hands

[split compass]

gotta grow them out in their Prime form

[hot lily]

they actually do iirc

[indigo venture]

Can you show?

[split compass]

presumably it's just the artstyle - a lot of bugs are holding weapons somehow even if they don't have visible digits

unless it's like electrostatic cling in their little nubs

Van der Waals forces

[median sleet]

Just beat the radiance and uhhh what the hell is that?

why does striking the final boss with the dream needle summon that

[obtuse terrace]

the radiance is the source of the infection

it comes into peoples dreams

and invades their minds

[median sleet]

how

[obtuse terrace]

its the creator of dreams

its literally made of essence

anyways

the hollow knight is supposed to be someone with no mind, no desires, etc to contain the radiance

cause if you got no mind then the radiance cant control you

but the hollowknight was imperfect due to a spoiler I dont wanna say

so the infection started to leak

and basically the 3 dreamers were supposed to help seal it

but they still weren't enough

so you went ahead ans got rid of them so you could have access to the black egg temple

and then you defeated either the hollowknight and became the new one, or you defeated the radiance and you become the shade lord

either way you die

ans that's why the hollowknight was helping you

by stabbing itself

it wants to defeat the radiance too

[median sleet]

I see

i thought he was crazy

[obtuse terrace]

you should watch a lore vid

hk lore is peak

[median sleet]

Is it an hour long

[obtuse terrace]

no

90 mins

[split compass]

play it again! and pay attention next time!

[obtuse terrace]

tbh im not smart enough to understand the dialogue and just watched a lore vid

[hot lily]

false

[hot lily]

also false

[obtuse terrace]

how

what

[median sleet]

Also why is knight dead after killing the radiance

[obtuse terrace]

he became the shade lord

[hot lily]

• dreams exist without Radiance's involvement whatsoever and continue to exist after their death
• the requirements PK sought in a vessel are not necessarily meant to be read literally

[hot lily]

they aren't in the philosophical sense

[obtuse terrace]

well radiance taught the moths the dream world i guess

[split compass]

they aren't really - if you notice, they shed their shell to become a shade and slay the Radiance
that shell gets left behind, but the shades all return to the Abyss with the Void

[median sleet]

So only his head is broken?

[obtuse terrace]

he lives in the void now

and just chills ig

[obtuse terrace]

its a mask

[median sleet]

Ah it all makes sense now

[obtuse terrace]

so is the knight wearing 9 masks at the end of the pt or what

[split compass]

nah, the masks you collect from shards just like magically strengthen their shell, they don't actually get worn

[sudden aurora]

Why am I able to play on my save after I killed the hollow knight and became the vessel?

Because the hollow knight does get put into the hunters journal

Which means I killed him

[distant moth]

hm

unsure

[sudden aurora]

Hm

[pure hedge]

It allows you to complete everything else if you haven't already

It doesn't make sense in terms of lore, but a lot of games do that

[sand stump]

Because its a game.

[pure hedge]

That too

[sand stump]

and for the second one that will be answered in a later ending
Spoiler, ||THK is not the final version of that boss, there is a harder one in a different place||

[sand stump]

Yeah, the Save games and Death aren't canon

[pure hedge]

Nah the save games are canon, every time you're not in the game the knight just sits at a bench doing nothing for hours on end

lol

[sudden aurora]

Yeah pure vessel

[humble current]

I'm pretty sure we don't need to spoiler things unless it's silksong stuff

[sand stump]

Yeah I know that but they came off like they only got the Sealed ending

[sand stump]

Well there you have it!

[humble current]

Alr then

[sand stump]

Also for a Lore based answer, Hunters Journal is based on the perspectives and experiences from other beings, so for most bugs we get Hunters view
But on some we get other views, for example with NKG we get the description from Seer

Hunter would never have seen and might've never even heard of THK and thus would have no thoughts on them

[sudden aurora]

Oh

I thought for like dreamers and grimm after you beat them you're just like "hey can I get your autograph!"

[sand stump]

We get PVs description from the Godseekers

[indigo venture]

[humble current]

Do u mean dream warriors lol

[sudden aurora]

Yeah

[humble current]

Alr

[hot lily]

there are entities Hunter couldn't have seen nor interacted with

[sand stump]

I know

[small basin]

Hello everyone

[sudden aurora]

What is the thing that the false knight got its armor from

[ebon patio]

theres a member of the 5 great knights named hegemol

[sudden aurora]

Oh?

[ebon patio]

but a maggot stole his armor

now we dont know where hegemol is

[sand stump]

wdym?

what

OH

bro 😭

You gotta get yo head outta the gutter

[brittle ether]

is the vessel that you play as actually thoughtless or did he get a thought

[split compass]

they have a mind
and they can think with it

[brittle ether]

why do they have a mind bc i thougth he was made too be thoughtless

[split compass]

that's probably not a literal requirement
PK's whole plan was to trap the Radiance inside the mind of a vessel, so he wouldn't want a vessel that literally didn't have one
his speech about 'no mind to think, no will to break, etc.' is some fancy way of referring to some other idea

[brittle ether]

ooooook

[split compass]

white lady says that the Hollow Knight was 'tarnished by an idea instilled' and the Knight is 'free of such blemishes'
so she thinks they'll be fine

[indigo venture]

White lady is pretty stupid

[median sleet]

Are all weavers female?

[brittle ether]

i think so but this should probably be in sk-lore

[median sleet]

Wait

So stalking devout are?….

[brittle ether]

idk what those are

[median sleet]

The scary big weaver

In deepnest

[brittle ether]

hmmm good point yeah i think just most weavers are female then

[median sleet]

Does hornet live in deepnest

I feel bad

[humble current]

Probably

[median sleet]

Why does she look so different

[waxen grail]

I don't think they are true weavers

[humble current]

Who looks different?

[median sleet]

Hornet

She has a fork looking head and is tall

[waxen grail]

Cuz herrah have the fork head

[median sleet]

Ok

Why does she have so many abilities anyways? The others are so much weaker

[waxen grail]

Because she is also part higher/pale being

[median sleet]

Wait

Is it called hollow knight bc the skull is a hat

[indigo venture]

Hornet is a bastard child between Weaver and Pale Being yeah

[median sleet]

And hes a void thing

[indigo venture]

No memes here

[median sleet]

what

[vocal wave]

Wait

[median sleet]

The knight is this void creature

[vocal wave]

What if hornet had her nail upgraded by the nail smith instead

[median sleet]

Huh

[vocal wave]

A vessel to be exact

[indigo venture]

She doesn't have a nail

[vocal wave]

I mean needle my bad

[indigo venture]

Probably not

[median sleet]

How is it a meme

[vocal wave]

111 hours and silksong and no act 3

[indigo venture]

They wouldn't know how to handle it
Spoiler for Silksongs ||Hivesteel is exclusive to The Hive, which is stated to not have wanted to do anything with Hallownest. Plus she'd require a needlesmith, not nailsmith||

[indigo venture]

The Knight is a void being yes

Using the corpse of PK's and WL's original child

[vocal wave]

I have a question

What is the balm of the wounded wish

[indigo venture]

#sk-lore

[vocal wave]

I mean like how do I do it

[indigo venture]

Do not talk silksong here unless relevant to the discussion at hand + Spoilered tag

[indigo venture]

#sk-help

Why do you go to an HK lore Channel to ask for Silksong help

[vocal wave]

[median sleet]

How does this infection thing work

And why are some characters not affected

[indigo venture]

Strong wills

[vocal wave]

For example

[median sleet]

Wdym

[vocal wave]

The snail shaman in ancestral mound

[indigo venture]

The Infection works as some sort of temptation, It needs to be allowed into one's mind for it to begin affecting the bug

The more it's resisted the stronger the temptation gets

[vocal wave]

Then how come snail shaman doesn’t care

[median sleet]

Why does the hollow knight boss have it

[indigo venture]

Once allowed in it'll begin breaking the Bug's will and Mind, making them go back to base instincts

[vocal wave]

When the infection starts it literally pretty much refuses to go to the ancestral mounds

[indigo venture]

It has the heart of the Infection, The Radiance, inside it's mind

[median sleet]

Why tho

[indigo venture]

Because it doesn't

[vocal wave]

He was the vessel chosen to sea it

[median sleet]

No way this powerful boss is that weak

[indigo venture]

That's why it was created, to absorb it

[vocal wave]

He’s not in his prime anymore

[indigo venture]

It's weakened by the Infection, but also allowed to fight by it

THK without Infection is barely even able to walk

[vocal wave]

Wait

[indigo venture]

The Infection is the only reason it can even fight proper

[hot lily]

false

[indigo venture]

Serarra

[hot lily]

it was raised and trained by PK and WL

[median sleet]

Ok

[indigo venture]

THK isn't an He

[indigo venture]

Serarra you know what I meant

[median sleet]

Can yall stop abbreviating ts i dont get it 😭

[indigo venture]

THK in it's current state has their fighting capabilities severely diminished

[hot lily]

still false, the infection is weakening it from what it would otherwise be

[vocal wave]

Its a vessel most of them are literally pretty much male besides hornet

[indigo venture]

So we just making up stuff now?

Or

[hot lily]

false, vessels are sexless

[vocal wave]

For example in the pantheon 5 ending it walks up to hornet

[indigo venture]

Hornet is called the "Gendered Child" because they are the only kid of PK that have gender

[indigo venture]

THK comes out using it's nail as a cane to walk out of the egg yes

[vocal wave]

Yeah

[indigo venture]

How is this relevant to "Vessels are all male"

You can't just state that without any proof whatsoever, specially when it's so wrong

[vocal wave]

I literally just said in my opinion they all look male

[signal marlin]

[indigo venture]

[indigo venture]

What Suscat

[signal marlin]

the way TC uses "gendered" there is poor

[hot lily]

no they don't

[indigo venture]

Okay

[vocal wave]

Yuh huh

[signal marlin]

and shows they likely conflated sex and gender

[indigo venture]

Where does it say Opinion here

[vocal wave]

There’s no way

[indigo venture]

Vessels sure all sexless

But Hornet is the only kid we know of that has proper gender

<@&283547423706447872>

[signal marlin]

not due to the dialogue though

[indigo venture]

I suppose yeah

[vocal wave]

What gender does this look like to you

[indigo venture]

Fucking dead

[vocal wave]

LOL

[signal marlin]

you cant necessarily know gender from appearance

[vocal wave]

Swearing is prohibited big dog

[indigo venture]

Plus I'm pretty sure TC designed them with them having no gender in mind

They don't look like anything

[modest saffron]

Bruh

[signal marlin]

we cant really know how TC wanted to design them

[lusty plinth]

BOY vessels are symmetrical and GIRL vessels are asymmetrical

[hot lily]

ok that's nsfw stuff in a public discord

that's a ban

[vocal wave]

Then the broken vessel is a male

[signal marlin]

🗿 serrara for mod

[modest saffron]

Oh

[vocal wave]

Technically an edit

[modest saffron]

What is the vid

[indigo venture]

TK twerking

[vocal wave]

Check it yourself

[signal marlin]

😭 cro ur a mod

[modest saffron]

Oh...

[vocal wave]

Dawg this

It’s an edit

You haven’t even watched the full vid

[indigo venture]

Honestly Serarra is a revolutionary

[indigo venture]

Who the fuck cares

It's still there

[signal marlin]

powdered was a necessary evil for ts channel

[indigo venture]

Like the fact it ends at one point doesn't mean it makes it fine 😭

[indigo venture]

May they find happiness wherever they are

[vocal wave]

This man is getting glazed over a minor inconvenience🥀

[hot lily]

going to bed now

[indigo venture]

gn

[vocal wave]

Cya

[modest saffron]

Move on everyone

[modest saffron]

Gnight

[vocal wave]

Ima stay up

[median sleet]

So like what the living hell is the abomination called Nosk?

[rugged comet]

Hunter's Journal: Nosk

Description:
Mimics the shape of other creatures to lure prey to its lair.

Hunter's notes:
In the deepest darkness, there are beasts who wear faces stolen from your memories and pluck at the strings in your heart. Know yourself, and stay strong.

Dream Nail:
...

@yaheck1 used /journal name: Nosk

[median sleet]

who would make that and why

Literally why

what could the weavers possibly be on

[ebon patio]

don't think they were made, they could just be a species or what counts as a cryptid in the hk univerise

[split compass]

yeah, nothing suggests they're a construct or anything
Hunter even implies that there are many creatures like it, or at least ones that have similar abilities

weaver creations tend towards smaller, silk-powered dealies

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Weaversong

[lusty plinth]

Nosk is a Weaver creation is the next level of giga brain

[limber comet]

litteraly why

why create that stupid thing

[split compass]

shapeshift into GMS

[lusty plinth]

The only thing that can kill GMS is another GMS

[brisk fiber]

pls spoilers also wouldn't it be a tie?

[lusty plinth]

So they both kill each other, that’s a win

[pale pilot]

Ironic

[serene burrow]

what about ||sl/knight||

they easily solo

[loud crater]

The Knight turns ||GMS into a loose pile of soulless silk.||

[torn urchin]

Yo twin

Both diego pfps

[lusty plinth]

You’re not my twin bro

You’re the wrong Diego

Wait

We are the same Diego

Fuck

[lucid spear]

the hornet and the silksong are twins

[bold quartz]

Pablo is real

[median sleet]

Where did nosk come from

[indigo venture]

Deepnest

[median sleet]

How was he made

[indigo venture]

Being born

I dunno', Sexual reproduction

Who knows how Nosks reproduce

[dim anchor]

technically the truth

[indigo venture]

Except for Vessels

[indigo venture]

Why do you ask

[median sleet]

Interesting and scary boss

Also whys there only 1 of them

[indigo venture]

Because we only see 1 of them

There's certainly way more

[median sleet]

💀

Do the all look like knight?

[indigo venture]

No?

Do you know how Nosks works

[median sleet]

No

Sorta

[indigo venture]

They take the form of Bug's loved ones, "Pulling at the strings of their heart" to lure them into their den and devour them

[median sleet]

He looks like knight then changes to a creature

[indigo venture]

They are telepathic in nature and can read minds

[median sleet]

ah hell nah

[dim anchor]

you can also see this by ||dnailing|| the corpses

[indigo venture]

The "Creature" is their 'Real form'

[indigo venture]

Dreamnailing the Corpses yes

[median sleet]

AH HELL NAH

[dim anchor]

oh theres no spoilerbot

[indigo venture]

No

This is lore

why would there be

[dim anchor]

fire

[median sleet]

How does one know if something is real or a nosk

[dim anchor]

u don't

[indigo venture]

Nosk seemingly aren't that aggressive by nature

It's mostly the Infection

[median sleet]

ah yes not agressive

[indigo venture]

Silksong: ||We can see the one that replaces Styxx is actually able to properly communicate with Hornet||

[median sleet]

lemme just rip my face out and attack the knight

[indigo venture]

It's mostly my own theory

[median sleet]

damn lol

[dim anchor]

its less aggression and more hunger

[indigo venture]

Probably

[median sleet]

That thing is a nosk?

[indigo venture]

||Their head is twisted upside down, they take the form of someone else, they speak with only stolen words Styxx actually said||

[median sleet]

Terrifying but useful npc lol

Are they related to the fake grubbies?

[indigo venture]

No

Nosk isn't the only thing with the ability to mimic stuff

[median sleet]

Okay

[daring ridge]

wait so if they're not aggressive then why do they do
that

oh cuz they're hungry

i imagine if silksong gets a godhome dlc we'll ||fight that version of nosk||

[sand stump]

||The Nosk in HK is aggressive cuz of the infection, but the one in sk is mmost likely just hungry, this would also say why it isn't aggressive towards Hornet cuz it has already eaten||

[daring ridge]

i meant why it mimicked people's loved ones but lkie, you gotta eat

food is food

[sand stump]

To lure people in, its the nature of the creature

fuck

I didn't see your full message

yeah it is food

[fickle yarrow]

Whats more dangerous lore wise ? The plasnium/lifeblood or infection ?

[regal orchid]

Infection, clearly

Lifeblood isn’t even dangerous

[sand stump]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[fickle yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/zylotol-hk-hollow-knight-hollowknight-silk-song-gif-9015067563319805126

Is this you

[sand stump]

Both have extremely similar pros and cons

Both are good at the start, granting immense power
Both will leave you absolutely crippled if you get them out of you
Both mutate your body
Both take control of your body
Both will kill you

The main differences are
Lifeblood targets the body, while The Infection targets the mind
Lifeblood also gives some healing properties, while The Infection brings you back
Lifeblood seems to have some sort of correlation with the Void(as seen in the abyss)
While the Infection is the opposite of the Void, as it is a by-product of the Radiance herself

[sand stump]

Yo, censor that

or get rid of it

cuz we aren't allwoed to send uncensored SS stuff

[fickle yarrow]

Ss ?

[sand stump]

SilkSong

[fickle yarrow]

That’s not a spoiler thats just a guy

And like the game has been out for a LONG time

[distant moth]

bro fuck you I haven't finished silksong yet

[fickle yarrow]

Then don’t read ?

It’s nothing major here

[distant moth]

don't put silksong stuff in this channel?

[fickle yarrow]

Theres no silksong lore category

And again

Don’t read it

Its exceptional here

Also lifeblood isnt silksong exclusive

[distant moth]

I don't recall lifeblood being like the infection ever being mentioned in hollow knight

[fickle yarrow]

It’s in the lore of hk

Implied to be dangerous

Too

The pale king made it taboo

[distant moth]

oh

[fickle yarrow]

It makes similar veins and roots to the infection

[distant moth]

ohhhh I see now

[signal marlin]

there is

[signal marlin]

not really no

[near sequoia]

What?

[signal marlin]

instead HK largely maintains the opposite when describing lifeblood, just mentioning its physical benefit

it invigorates the body when ingested, making any who devour it a bit more resistant to injury

||only in silksong lifeblood gets expanded into a potential threat||

[ripe dagger]

did the deepnest weavers leave hallownest before or after the kingdom’s collapse?

[loud crater]

After.

Well actually probably more like during its collapse.

[split compass]

there is mention by Salubra of lifeblood being 'a bit of a taboo'

she's pretty eccentric, so she might be down-playing it

and we don't know that it was an edict from PK or anything

there's also that Joni was declared a 'heretic' is some sense

I always got the idea that it was something of a controlled substance

and with its possible connection to a higher being (lifeblood beast) maybe the substance was seen as taboo for being connected with a rival to PK in a sense

an idol of false worship, compared with the pale king

[marble birch]

Possibly because the King knew that particular God was dangerous and could very quickly spiral out of control if too many Bugs got contaminated.

The only reason it lacks more of a foothold in Hallownest is because Radiance’s contamination beat it to the punch.

[median sleet]

why does grey mourner disappear after finishing her quest

Is she just gone forever now or what

[boreal parcel]

plot armor

[split compass]

or, like, the opposite of that

it does seem like a 'willed herself to die/disappear' thing

[boreal parcel]

it's a pretty sad time

her friend is gone

[split compass]

'girlfriend's dead, flower delivered, I'm out'
vvvorp

[median sleet]

Is this the source of aspids?

[split compass]

well, it's one source

aspid momma

presumably there are others

[median sleet]

And the ones in the snowy area?

[split compass]

a different breed of aspid but related, presumably they have their own breeders

you can see a big hive-thing in the background near the glowing womb momma iirc

probably lots more in there

[sand stump]

Yeah, my theory is that they were holding on long enough to be able to make amends(or smth, don't remember the plot) with their dead lover
So when they knew the dead was done, they were able to finally let go

[median sleet]

What was their love?

[sand stump]

The traitor child

[median sleet]

Whats up with him

[split compass]

her

traitor child is grey mourner's girlfriend

her death drove grey mourner to deep sadness

[median sleet]

Are maggot guys related to the fluke enemies?

[sand stump]

wdym?

What maggot guys?

[median sleet]

They vanished from the journal wait

[median sleet]

This dude

[sand stump]

No they have no correlation

[median sleet]

They look nothing like maggots lmfao

[primal hill]

anybody know exactly what grimm is?

[loud crater]

The Nightmare Heart's vessel.

And some kind of Nightmare Essence thing.

[primal hill]

yes but like what type of bug would he be

[loud crater]

None in specific.

He's a mash up of several.

[median sleet]

Is Xero related to that one area in silksong?

[loud crater]

Pufferfish, spider and bat to name some.

[loud crater]

Imo no.

[primal hill]

what area

[median sleet]

||coral tower||

[primal hill]

oh yeahhe isn't its just the color scheme

[tough jetty]

why is the radicance statue looking up, and why does it have dreams?

what is above it literally or metaphorically

[split compass]

I think it's just tipping because it's old and crumbly

[tough jetty]

that's boring

[split compass]

the other answers will be more interesting
above it will be the ceiling of the big cave it's in

and it has a dream because you can leave behind dream essence in the world in various ways - powerful thoughts, etc.

[tough jetty]

there's a ceiling?

[split compass]

oh yeah

[tough jetty]

how

[split compass]

whole place is underground

[tough jetty]

but how

how big is the cave?

also how do u know

[split compass]

big enough to fit all the 'surface' bits

it was mentioned by devs that the Dirtmouth area is all underground

everything is underground in holloworld

[tough jetty]

wow

is it under the land down under?

[split compass]

way under

[tough jetty]

so is pharloom above or on the same x axis

[split compass]

I think the 'surface' or pharloom is on the same level as the 'dirtmouth' area of hallownest

[tough jetty]

i assumed the surface was the literal surface

is that why there's no sun

[split compass]

that's right

no sun, no sky

only underground bug kingdoms forever

[tough jetty]

i thought that was just because they are depressed

this is boring
i wanted to dig me a rabbit hole

what if there was some godly being the radiance is inferior to?
what if the radiance is in the statue?
Nope. it's a broken statue and there's a ceiling

[unique swift]

Don’t moths begin their lives in a egg

WHAT GAVE BIRTH TO THE SUN

DID THE RADIANCE HAVE SIBLINGS

WAS IT THE MOOOOONNNNN????

[loud crater]

No.

The Radiance wasn't given birth to.

She isn't a celestial body.

[loud crater]

Irl it's a mix of earth rock and a different planet's rock.

[hot lily]

we don't know what if anything made Radiance

[unique swift]

Oh

Nice

[tough jetty]

"what made the one who made everything" is a philisophical question IRL, and it applies to almost any religion or universe. including HK.

[marble birch]

Well the Radiance did not create much of anything, though. She’s just the Deity of the Dream realm, created and sustained by the power of belief and worship.

Once no living Bug is left to remember her, then she will fade out and cease to be entirely, hence why she began her whole rampage with the Infection.

[dim anchor]

idk it seems like the radiance is just there

we dont have info on if the higher beings were "made" by anything

[hot lily]

they are not the deity of the dream realm

they are a deity of light

[ebon patio]

a deity of light that exists in the dream realm

[hot lily]

yes

[marble birch]

She is by all definition the ruler of the domain of Dreams. She is strictly a Dream entity and has no foothold in the physical world unless she invades the minds of others. She’s described as a ‘light’ because that is the form her mental cognizance takes.

She’s essentially meant to be the foil to the Nightmare Heart. Both of them are abstract thoughtforms who exist solely in the mental plane, and require the work of a host or religion of mortal Bugs acting in their service in order to continue to exist.

The main thing that undid the Radiance is she put all her chips on the simple Bugs of one static location and the Moths who were her most devout. Once they chose to defect, she had no backup or other source of memory or worship to sustain herself.

[hot lily]

they are not the ruler of all dreams because there are dreams which they cannot access or manipulate

[marble birch]

Well. Technically to an extent. She cannot challenge the Dream of, say, Unn or the Pale King, as they’re also Gods. Their mental fortitude rivals or surpasses hers. There’s also the domain of Nightmares, since the Nightmare Heart has sole jurisdiction of that corner of the mindscape.

[sand stump]

1. If she cannot access and control All dreams then they are not the absolute ruler of the Dream Domain.
   The Dream Domain is very blatantly split between many Gods

2. Though true, this does not make her The god of Dreams.

3. Yes she is described as a light, but this is because she takes up what would be seen as a part of the Light Domain

4. The Radiance does not require anyone to exist. She would have lived on all fine without the moths.
   Plus the moths that died and had still followed her passed on into the dream realm, they would remain mortal but changed. Meaning she still has followers

5. She did have a backup of rememberance, with this being the old memorials they had left up. These are literally how she comes back in the first place.
   This, Seer and the remaining memories of her ofcourse

The Pale King has a lot of soul, mostly uses soul and glows an immense white light
Does this make him The God of Soul?

[sand stump]

and to elaborate on 4, If I remember right, she will simply be trapped in a specific dream with no ability to move around at all
She can still be there and do whatever with that dream

[marble birch]

She very strictly requires the memory and worship of mortal Bugs to exist. This dependence is the whole point of her rampage and the source of her making the Infection.

[sand stump]

She would have been Sealed away.

And Plus, she was able to come back through a statue

Thats not a mortal bug

Thats a hunk of stone with a cool metal in it

[marble birch]

She came back because a mortal Bug saw the statue, and thus, imprinted her memory, her mental presence, into their mind. This gave her enough of a foothold to start invading and spreading her ‘memory’ in the form of the Infection, making those whose consciousness she jumped into feel her rage for themselves.

[sand stump]

With your logic she should have been long erased.

IF she came back from a Bug seeing her, meaning that she was imprinted into their mind

Then very obviously, she was still around.

Not completely Dead

Simply sealed away

[marble birch]

She was not sealed, but rather left in a starved state. She was very violently close to a full death, but the existence of her mental imprint lingered, waiting for someone to recall she existed and give her a backdoor into mortals’ heads.

[sand stump]

She had 0 following left.
She had 0 followers with her scripts being destroyed.
She had 0 memory other than this Statue.

According to you she and other Dream beings need the following and service of Mortals to exist.
She had none of this.

[sand stump]

Actually

I did forget

she had Seer

Mb mb
I am wrong on the life and death part

but I stand with the Radiance not being The god of Dreams

[still gulch]

I mean pale beings are kind of soul gods. We also know ||gms is the ancient source of silk another form of soul|| Pale King is a god-king hb of soul. Radiance is the essance hb if light. Etc.
But you can call them whatever you wish I wouldn't interfere

[sand stump]

I am saying The God of Soul in this example.
This person is arguing that the Radiance is The God of Dreams

[marble birch]

Not really no. Radiance needs memory and worship to exist because she is born purely and solely of the Dream realm. She is only a mental construct. Entities like the Ghosts of Bugs linger undeterred because they had some manner of previous physical tie to the material plane.

[sand stump]

I already said I was wrong cuh

and I do actually agree

[still gulch]

Yeah I agree there is no sole god of any essance or realm in hollow knight. NMH and Rad are both related to essance and dream realm. Pale Beings are all related to soul. Unn could be related to essence though he would rather reshape the physical realm by dreaming it rather than residing in the dream realm.

[still gulch]

I don't think Radiance is a mental construct
Because dying in Rad fight in base game counts as a real death unlike dream variants like soul tyrant and failed champion who are entirely imaginary.
Another death that counts as real is the white palace which was entirely moved to dream realm. The Dreamers after knight absorbs them will disappear in real world as well

She resides in dream realm yes but that doesn't mean she isn't physical

[marble birch]

She is. She is solely a Dream entity and has no material foothold unless via proxy of controlling the mind of a mortal Bug.

Beyond this, she does not, in a tangible sense, exist at all. She solely lives on in the mindscape.

[sand stump]

No he is right, the Radiance is a mental construct
She is just able to effect physical things

She may not have originally formed from the thoughts of beings, but she definitely does form from them in HK

[still gulch]

Do you even know what doesn't exist in a tangible sense? Dream bosses. Failed Champion, Soul Tyrant even Grey Prince Zote

[marble birch]

Exactly. Radiance is the same as these.

[still gulch]

Radiance infact exists as a tangible force. The light is literally physical

[marble birch]

Well, slightly different.

The Dream Bosses are conjurations from a mortal Bug’s imagination or a lingering will of the fallen. The Radiance herself is solely a product of Dream itself.

[still gulch]

Then why dying in white place or rad fight count as real death but when you die to these bosses you only wake up?
Because Rad is a physical being that exists in a metaphysical realm. Just like the Dreamers and the wp (that "mysteriously" vanished from real world). The fact she can't show up in physical world doesn't change the fact she is a real physical being.

[primal bridge]

How high do we think gorb powerscales? Has to be like 5 radiances if you ask me, this is the Great Mind we're talking about

[marble birch]

She is not physical. It likely counts as a real Death because you are encountering the ire of a God/Higher Being, and not just a Bug’s specter/ghost.

[still gulch]

Yeah but she is also a light that even keeps the void away from her until she is knocked out and thats physical. Her attacks does affect physically whether in real world or dream realm. These bossses don't.

[primal bridge]

Yeah on that note I have been wondering what's actually going on in the radiance's second stagger. Why's she just standing there?

well she's floating but that's a moot point

[marble birch]

None of this is physical, you realize?

[still gulch]

Dream warriors can actually harm physically. They are lingering memories of fallen bugs and completely made of essence. They can't be challenged without a dreamnail as only wielders can see the essance ghosts.

[marble birch]

Every event that occurs regarding Radiance happens inside a Dream, inside the mindscape, the one realm in which she occupies and exists.

[still gulch]

Are you claiming white palace isn't real? I guess the dreamers also aren't.

Physical beings can indeed exist in dream realm

[marble birch]

None of them are physical entities.

You literally have to smack the Dreamers’ physical bodies to enter their minds.

[still gulch]

And after you absorb in dream realm those dreamers where do they go?

This isn't just the case with the knight.

[marble birch]

Their bodies fizzle out, as the Magic keeping them in stasis is gone once you assimilate their consciousness.

[still gulch]

Assimilate their consciousness?

[marble birch]

Well yes, you are Focusing and absorbing the Essence of their mental self into you.

[still gulch]

I mean after absorbing that essance they are also gone in real world

Essance starts coming out of tk after dying in a dream

[marble birch]

Ye. Like I said their physical body only stuck around this long because of the unique Spell placed on them.

[still gulch]

I mean wasn't the spell like the seal masks?

[marble birch]

With the death of their mental presence, that Spell is unmade and their body fizzles out, being impossibly old.

They were essentially preserved in stasis so long as the Spell held.

[still gulch]

So how exactly they died?

[marble birch]

Well think about it. They’re still mortal. Once the Spell is gone, time likely caught up with their bodies and they dissipated. Either that or their bodies were more intricately linked to the Spell itself, and collapsed when it did. Not 100% sure.

[still gulch]

What we know is their masks are unbreakable and as long as their bearers are intact they won't broke.

Hornet tries to impale quirrel in the comic but the mask she hits blocks it completely unscratched by the seal placed upon

[marble birch]

Ye. Their physical selves are protected and made invulnerable via the King’s Magic. Only by destroying their mental selves in their Dreams could they be hurt in a capacity that’d matter.

[still gulch]

Yeah but like knight literally absorbs their vulnerable form

Tha physical body resting there must have been absorbed already

[hidden pecan]

Is the Dartcarver (Deepnest mini Bugs) and Bell Beast (From Silksong) are Realted ?

[pure inlet]

Probably not

But I see where you’re coming from

I’d call it convergent evolution

[dim sonnet]

rhymes with grug

[regal orchid]

It’s been so long since I’ve seen that. I kinda miss it

[hidden pecan]

And garpeeds

[lone hawk]

Hello I'm from hk general

Also known as land of crazy poeple

This has been abondoned for 20 minute

Hm

[blissful pewter]

Possibly.
Creatures that might be more closely rated to the Bell Beast are the Groms and Gromlings

As they share a similar body structure

Just without the legs

[plain lantern]

Yo

[olive glade]

Yes im here

A tactical shaw

Shaw

[plain lantern]

git gud

[olive glade]

Garama

[plain lantern]

edino

[olive glade]

Hegale

Fuck u and ur Mother (jk)

[plain lantern]

haha bro first time i used hunters crest pogo i jumped out of my chair lmao

[olive glade]

I got the hornets on radiant

[plain lantern]

hornet..s?

[olive glade]

I was kinda good with the pogo

[loud crater]

Your father was a gerbel and your mother smelt of elder berries.

[plain lantern]

i have never switched from reapers crst

[olive glade]

Ya hornet protettore and hornet sentinel

[plain lantern]

ah!

whats ur travel build in hk

[olive glade]

Im a no life with 92%on sk and 102%on hk

[olive glade]

Uhh i dont remember actually

XD

[plain lantern]

lmao

mine is geo collector thingy mabob, no compass just cuz, soul collector, mantis and longnail

[olive glade]

I think I had like defendsrs crest, sharp shadow, rapid attack and sm shit else

[plain lantern]

(ok maybe sometimes compass)

[plain lantern]

haha lmao

[olive glade]

I learned to not use the compass

Im a hk no compass

[plain lantern]

bro i beat dung def using travel build first try

[olive glade]

Me too XD

[plain lantern]

its easy af

[olive glade]

First try

[olive glade]

Exactly

But in the lore he should be really skilled

But in the game he isnt lmao

[plain lantern]

yeah

im so bored

[olive glade]

Me too

[plain lantern]

bleh

ummmm do you wanna help out some new ppl

[olive glade]

Pls speed i need this, my mom is kinda homeless TOT

[plain lantern]

lmao

[olive glade]

Wdym?

[plain lantern]

#hk-help

[olive glade]

Ok

[plain lantern]

idk im so bored i can do anyting

[olive glade]

IS THAT A DELTARUNE REFERENCE!?!?!??!?!!?!?

[plain lantern]

OMGOMG DELTARUNEIES

[olive glade]

I CAN DO ANYTHING!!- jevil 2019

[plain lantern]

haha lmaoooo

[olive glade]

Did u ever reverse-steal an egg?

[plain lantern]

uhhh maaayyybe

[olive glade]

I did

[plain lantern]

i dont remember, played it like 5 yrs ago

[olive glade]

Bro play it chapter 4 is peak

[plain lantern]

uhhhhhh ok

hol up

im like doing homework buuuttt

who cares

[olive glade]

I should be doing hw too XD

[plain lantern]

lmao

twins

but not

omfg im so borrrrrrrrrrrred

[olive glade]

Did u ever tra to do the snowgrave route?

[plain lantern]

nope

i dont think so

[olive glade]

I did

[plain lantern]

and..?

[olive glade]

And it makes u feel kinda bad

But not bad to THE BONE

XD

[plain lantern]

lmao

[olive glade]

Had to pull one off

[onyx cairn]

hi

i have 111%

:c

[timid forge]

is embrace the void canon? or is it dream no more

[signal marlin]

both

all of the endings are canon

[timid forge]

i see

but which one conects more to the second game?

[hot lily]

do you want spoilers to SS in #sk-lore

[onyx cairn]

who to gameplay hollow knight

whit me

And someone who speaks Portuguese, because I'm from Brazil and I speak a little English

[signal marlin]

este e o canal de lore...

[onyx cairn]

o mds dsclp kkkkkkkkkk

[signal marlin]

happens

[jaunty mulch]

THE ENDING WHYYY

WHY DIDNT ANYone TELL ME

SUCH PEAK AAH

YET..

[indigo venture]

What are you talking about

[jaunty mulch]

The endong so sad 😞

[indigo venture]

Which Ending

[jaunty mulch]

Beautiful

The one in Hollow knigbt

[indigo venture]

Which of the 4

[jaunty mulch]

Oh

[indigo venture]

Hollow Knight, Sealed Siblings, Dream no More or Embrace The Void?

[jaunty mulch]

The one where he becomes infected with birauc

Huh

Virus*

[indigo venture]

Which of the two

Sealed Siblings or Hollow Knight

[jaunty mulch]

and takes place of the knight

[indigo venture]

Again, which of the two

[jaunty mulch]

Wym simblongs

?

[indigo venture]

?

Siblings

[jaunty mulch]

I don’t

Understand

[indigo venture]

The word Sibling?

[jaunty mulch]

The ending you mean

Im talking about Hollow knight one

[indigo venture]

Oh

Yeah Hollow Knight ending is pretty basic

[jaunty mulch]

Very sad

Yet perfect

Deep too

[indigo venture]

Eh

I mean I guess it's the closest thing to a bad ending

I dunno' If I'd call it deep

Much less Perfect

I think DnM fits the criteria better considering the themes Hollow Knight uses

[jaunty mulch]

DnM is what?

[jaunty mulch]

Very deel considering insects nature cycle etc

Thats why it perfect too

[lost bronze]

is bardoon a wyrm?

[brisk venture]

dream no more

[brisk venture]

no

He explicitly states that he isn't

[lost bronze]

oh

[jaunty mulch]

Oh

[lost bronze]

sounds like something a wyrm would say

[rugged comet]

Bardoon - General - Not a Wyrm dialogue

Don't mistake. I am not a wyrm... Ohrm... Too small, I am. Too many limbs. No foresight like those old things.

@mebaconcraft used /npcs misc name: Bardoon category: General dialogue: Not a Wyrm dialogue

[lost bronze]

not convincing enough

[jaunty mulch]

But that means you defeat and all is safe and its like happy ending..

[lost bronze]

he's clearly a wyrm

[jaunty mulch]

A happy ending doesnt suit hollowknight

[brisk venture]

It's not

The knight dies

[jaunty mulch]

Its not

[brisk venture]

Well not dies but

[jaunty mulch]

Fine ill try to get

[brisk venture]

The void returns

Its purpose was fulfilled

[jaunty mulch]

Huh

[brisk venture]

Hallownest is still very much ruined

[brisk venture]

We see the siblings collapse back into the abyss

[jaunty mulch]

Intresting

I think om missing parts cuz

[indigo venture]

Not happy but yes Fulfilling

[jaunty mulch]

Idc about spoiler but

[indigo venture]

Dream No More frees Hallownest from the Infection forever and allows the Vessels to rest

[jaunty mulch]

Whats the abyss, tuaght it was just an area so

[indigo venture]

It's an area that contains the Void

[jaunty mulch]

But thats the problem no?

[brisk venture]

It's where the vessels were created

[indigo venture]

?

[brisk venture]

what problem

[jaunty mulch]

What vessels?

[brisk venture]

YOU are a vessel

[indigo venture]

So lost

[jaunty mulch]

That the infection is completely gone

[indigo venture]

Why would that be a problem

[brisk venture]

That was the goal since the beginning

[jaunty mulch]

Becuase then there no more “evil” or yk

[brisk venture]

[jaunty mulch]

My point exactly

[indigo venture]

And how is being no more evil for Hallownest a problem

[jaunty mulch]

Plot ofc

[brisk venture]

what

[jaunty mulch]

Uou always need an enemy

[brisk venture]

dude

[jaunty mulch]

Hm?

[brisk venture]

Hallownest is still very much fucked

It cannot be restored

[indigo venture]

Eh

I'd argue against that

[jaunty mulch]

Ill tey the ending next week see well

[brisk venture]

Okay it's debatable

[jaunty mulch]

If I like it more idk

[indigo venture]

ye

That's better

[jaunty mulch]

Normal ending seems peak

Le

[brisk venture]

Absolutely not

[jaunty mulch]

Like

Yes ofc

You walk past the temple

In the begining

So its like

[indigo venture]

Can you summarize your point in a single message

[jaunty mulch]

You end there too

[indigo venture]

It's annoying and hard to keep track of multiple messages that are just 1 or 3 words

[jaunty mulch]

The black egg temple is in like almost the very beginning yes, so it would be natural to end there too.

[indigo venture]

I mean I guess the Black Egg Temple was always the goal, yeah

In a sense

[onyx cairn]

hey

[indigo venture]

But TK being able to free itself from PK's own wishes and desires, becoming it's own being, and thus being able to overcome what PK never could by ending the Infection permamently is far more "Perfect"

[brisk venture]

That's etv

[indigo venture]

Yes

It is EtV

Because EtV is the best ending

[onyx cairn]

I just finished the fifth pantheon and got the ending of delivering the delicate flower to the godseeker.

[jaunty mulch]

The infection makes it perfect tho, so its not like other stories like Halo like, aah we won we the good guys.

[indigo venture]

Do you have a question about it?

[indigo venture]

The Infection/Radiance is just an antagonist

Like, most pieces of fiction, they are usually beaten at the end

[jaunty mulch]

Well it makes it better if its seen as a force of nature considering well the implications

[indigo venture]

I mean I dunno' if I'd call The Infection a force of nature

Void is more a force of nature than it

[indigo venture]

What "Implications"?

[jaunty mulch]

But void is an area?

[indigo venture]

The Void is a substance

[jaunty mulch]

Logic wym

[indigo venture]

your confusing The Abyss and The Void

[jaunty mulch]

Huh

[indigo venture]

Ohh is english your main language

[jaunty mulch]

I am?

Ofc isnt yours?

[indigo venture]

No it isn't mine

Anyway

[jaunty mulch]

I see

[indigo venture]

What are you referring to here

[jaunty mulch]

The black stuff void

[indigo venture]

Uh huh

What about The Void

[jaunty mulch]

Idk you said its natural?

[indigo venture]

Yes

[jaunty mulch]

I tuaght like

[indigo venture]

From what we know it's always existed below Hallownest

[jaunty mulch]

The knight came out of the egg or something he just spawned in

[indigo venture]

Kind of

[jaunty mulch]

I see

[indigo venture]

TK punched it's way out of the egg

As all other Vessels did

[jaunty mulch]

Um

So void is life force kinda?

[indigo venture]

It can be

[jaunty mulch]

How does soul relate to it tho?

[blissful pewter]

I wonder what kind of creature the Spikes in deepest are

(The worm things)

[indigo venture]

Void likes to consume things with Soul

[jaunty mulch]

Ooh

Hm so

[indigo venture]

I think baby garpedes?

I dunno'

[jaunty mulch]

Well you know what I find wierd yet fascinating about Hollowknight

Irs oike well

[blissful pewter]

Baby Garpedes are the Garpids in silksong

[jaunty mulch]

Theyre bugs bir

Its so much deeper and mysterious than just bugs

Has a vibe yk

No idea what

Lovecraftian sorta

In an exploration way

[indigo venture]

What makes you think that

The name?

[blissful pewter]

Not just that

[indigo venture]

I mean appereance too I guess

Regardless No Silksong here

Unless spoilered tagged

[blissful pewter]

Creatures that look like || Garpids || are seen in the Quirrel Comic, and those are found in the Wastes. This could mean that Garpedes could be found anywhere, they would just have to grow big enough to fully become Garpedes

Although the ones in the Quirrel Comic have eyes, they could just develop eyes overtime

[jaunty mulch]

Why do people feel as tho hollow knight is a metroid based game or so like bruh

Its entirely a new genere

Metroid is low tier compared to Hollow Knight so

[obtuse terrace]

hollow knight is hollow knight genre

[jaunty mulch]

Exactly

Its world building alone is epic

Like udk if its insect based humanoid or something entirely different

[sand stump]

Its just a metroidvania, they're not actually comparing the two games

[jaunty mulch]

Wym you cant say “its jist a metroidvenia” its a genre of its own

Both games dont even describe Hollow Knight

[sand stump]

What genre is it then?

[jaunty mulch]

Hollow Knight lol

[sand stump]

and you can't just say "Hollow Knight"

It is quite literally just a Metroidvania

[jaunty mulch]

But its it like Elder scrolls is an elder scrolls game

[jaunty mulch]

Brah

[sand stump]

Thats not a Genre thats a fucking series 😭

Brother

[jaunty mulch]

Its a genre of itself

[sand stump]

Its like the Dark Souls series
Not the Dark Souls Genre

Dark souls and all those are Soulsborne games

Not "Dark Souls" games

[jaunty mulch]

Oh so dark souls does have its own name now lol

And hollow Knight cant

[sand stump]

Hollow Knight and Silksong are Metroidvanias

[jaunty mulch]

Dark Souls are just RPG games

[sand stump]

what?

[jaunty mulch]

No

[sand stump]

Its a fucking Soulsborne

[jaunty mulch]

Theyre Hollow Knight games

[jaunty mulch]

Exactly my point

[sand stump]

Alright leave the lore channel, this has no lore relevence in the slightest

[sand stump]

Soulsborne is a Game Genre that intakes
Elden Ring, All Dark Souls, Bloodborne, Demon Souls and Sekiro

[jaunty mulch]

So?

[sand stump]

Soulsborne games are those types of games from Fromsoftware

[jaunty mulch]

Just call hollow kmight based games Hollowknight born then or sumthn lol

[sand stump]

Soulslike games are games that take inspiration or are similar to Soulsborne games while not being from Fromsoftware

[sand stump]

Thats not how it works

[jaunty mulch]

You just told me it is

[sand stump]

Hollow Knight is not entirely brand new and unique with how it works and does stuff
It falls under the Metroidvania genre

[jaunty mulch]

Eh

Hollow knight is completely brand new and unique tho

Metroid and vania isnt even in the same lvl

[sand stump]

bro

you're just ragebaiting

[jaunty mulch]

Im just saying its a masterpiece

[sand stump]

Yes it is no doubt a masterpiece

but it is not its own Genre of game

It is its own Game Series but not its own Genre

[jaunty mulch]

Idk it feels disrespectful to put metroidvenia as its genre

Doesnt fit yk

[sand stump]

It does fit 😭

ITs just a very good game

[median sleet]

What are the nightmare and grim enemies?

they come outta nowhere we fight em and theyre gone forever

[sand stump]

They aren't gone forever and they were most likely already sent out to collect flames

[sand stump]

Members of the Grim Troupe

[median sleet]

whats their origin

They look nothing like everything else

[sand stump]

We don't know

[median sleet]

They dont even have those orange eyes

[sand stump]

Well thats cuz they were
A) Made by the Nightmare Heart
or
B) Just from a far off land

[sand stump]

Thats because they aren't infected

Orange Eyes are a by-product of the Infection

[median sleet]

Ok

[jaunty mulch]

Why does Hollow Knight feel so wierd

Like creepy nostalic yet mysterious

Dreamy aah

[sand stump]

Game Design

[jaunty mulch]

I know but there must be a word for the vibe

Lile dark mystery you wana know

hmmm

[sand stump]

Dark Fantasy?

[blissful pewter]

Most likely just physical manifestations of the Nightmare Heart, that's just a guess though

[median sleet]

Whats that

[blissful pewter]

So you know the giant thing in the background of NKG's arena?

[median sleet]

Yeaa

[blissful pewter]

Yeah, thats a god / higher being of some sort, and it uses Grimm (then passes to the Grimmchild) as a Vessel

[median sleet]

Interesting

[jaunty mulch]

Hoe big is Hollow nest compared to say, rl?

Or we assume they are actually insect size or

Like the bugs how big are they or well the map lol

[blissful pewter]

Idk

[jaunty mulch]

Ohw

[signal marlin]

unknown

[polar night]

i think there was a theory made by someone on youtube, not sure if by game theory

about this fact

[signal marlin]

[jaunty mulch]

Ooh

[signal marlin]

there is literally no way to know