hk-lore

[signal marlin]

THK existing physically doesnt have relation to radiances ontology

[wraith trellis]

What do you mean?

[signal marlin]

THK being physical doesnt matter

[wraith trellis]

The radiance is sealed inside the dream of the hollow knight

[wraith trellis]

Why not?

[signal marlin]

because theyre seperate beings. there is no relationship between the two

[wraith trellis]

How did the thk seal her in the first place?

[signal marlin]

unknown...

https://tenor.com/view/magic-rabbit-bunny-brabantinbeelden-brabant-in-beelden-gif-21880888

[signal marlin]

its like asking how this rabbit got there - we dont know and cant know...

[wraith trellis]

If she couldn't exist physically how could the physical being like the hollow knight seal her? We seal her as the knight we absorb it from hollow knight who had the radiance inside of it.

[signal marlin]

the first question supposes that you can only seal physical beings - we dont know the process or how it works

the general theory however is that its similar to what happens in the The Hollow Knight ending

[wraith trellis]

I mean we see a sealing that happens on screen?

The knight absorbs the radiance from inside the hollow knight

I'm ngl

I'm gonna start yapping about something else

[signal marlin]

[wraith trellis]

Uh

What do you guys think about

[vast marten]

How did thk contain the radiance like what,did he 1v1 her,did he kind of dream and then contain her how does that work

[acoustic nexus]

nobody knows this i guess

[elfin mantle]

there is no official answer but just imagine they did some kinda voodoo to tie her existence to the mind/dreams of THK

[pale thunder]

i think they may used a method using soul close to how shamans help hornet obtain the everbloom

[wraith trellis]

Oh I never finished this statement

Uh I was gonna say

What do you guys think about white defender

[loud crater]

Prolly some focus dream realm nonsense.

[elfin mantle]

well it's definitely possible

[elfin mantle]

chill guy

[heady meadow]

My headcanon as to why pv lost to radiance is because of his big ass body not being able to dodge anything

[warm cosmos]

wasn’t it because the pure vessel wasn’t pure

[warm cosmos]

best boss

[indigo venture]

Its a joke headcanon prob

[loud crater]

Yeah. Also there wasn’t a fight between them as far as we know.

[indigo venture]

Could there have been?

[loud crater]

Probably not.

[vocal hound]

Team Cherry copied him from Elden ring

[warm cosmos]

maybe pure vessel just inhaled the radiance infection gas like the knight did

[vocal hound]

The loathsome dung eater

[loud crater]

Focused but yeah prolly.

[warm cosmos]

also on the topic of Mr mushroom, like what does he even do

[vocal hound]

Or it just had a dream. Occams razor and all that

[warm cosmos]

Does he have lore importance

[loud crater]

Yeah.

[vocal hound]

Team Cherry's self insert maybe ?

[warm cosmos]

what does that mean

[loud crater]

I feel the simplest explanation is just it focused the Radiance into itself.

[vocal hound]

Narrator basically. Knows as much as the actual writers of the script

[vocal hound]

Huh that may be right

[warm cosmos]

understood

[loud crater]

Mr. Mushroom is very knowledgeable but I don’t think he’d know everything.

[warm cosmos]

also he doesn’t speak the common bug language as proven by spore shroom I believe

And the lore tablets

[vocal hound]

Yeah it probably doesn't know about the ancient civilizations

[loud crater]

He be speakin’ mushroomese.

[warm cosmos]

Yep

[vocal hound]

He would fit right in Plants Vs Zombies imo

[jovial elk]

What if the hollow knight was a knight that was hollow but before he was a knight he was hollow and the hollow became the knight in which the knight became the hollow knight

[indigo venture]

Well for startes The Hollow Knight isnt an "He"

[jovial elk]

Is it something

[indigo venture]

It

[jovial elk]

Does that mean something is something and it was something that turned into something else

[indigo venture]

Like the title?

[jovial elk]

https://tenor.com/view/invulnerable-gif-22484955

[worn ember]

did no eyes kill her childen

[sand stump]

yes

[worn ember]

why

[acoustic nexus]

Bro

Wow

😭😭

[jovial elk]

its true

[acoustic nexus]

You broke my brain with that much knight in a sentence

[indigo venture]

To keep them safe iirc

[loud crater]

She thought that by removing their eyes they’d be safe from the infection.

[worn ember]

how does that work?

[brisk venture]

Cant dream if you have no eyes to see

[worn ember]

but thats still about the eyes part, she ended up killing them tho

[brisk venture]

The infection did, not hee

Her

[worn ember]

so she ripped out her eyes and her childrens but when they got infected she killed them?

[brisk venture]

Actually nvm I was confusing it with the intended lore. Yeah, no eyes ripped out her and the other bugs' eyes to not dream

But died

[worn ember]

she died too but lived to be a warrior dream due to?

[brisk venture]

Warrior dreams are just lingering memories of strong bugs

[worn ember]

ah

whats nightmare king girmms power level compared to other bugs and dream bosses ?

[indigo venture]

Pretty fucking high I guess

[worn ember]

so hes premium grade cocaine level?

[indigo venture]

I dunno-

How am I meant to know that

[worn ember]

like if all the other dream bosses can be interperated as if they were on cocaine the nkg has the strongest cocaine dosage

but can he rival radiance or hollow knight?

[stable raptor]

theory : the radiance had a physical vessel (just like nightmare heart with grimm) that THK defeated to absorb the radiance

[signal marlin]

thats not a theory

[stable raptor]

gah

[signal marlin]

usually a theory has like evidence and stuff

🗣️ 🔥

[stable raptor]

my only piece of evidence is why does THK have a sword and is trained to use it if hes gonna be chained anyways

[signal marlin]

well thats not really evidence, since it doesnt work towards the claim. however regardless, it would be consistent with PK having numerous layers of defense for THK

[stable raptor]

maybe its something to do with his foresight ?

he couldve knew that a vessel was gonna fight the HK anyways

[loud crater]

Probably not. His foresight most definitely didn’t extend to THK’s failure. At least while he was working on sealing the Radiance. PK was just super paranoid I guess.(didn’t mean to have a question mark in here)

[loud crater]

PK is just super fucking paranoid.

[stable raptor]

appearently even being paranoid couldent save him

[split compass]

you know, given that TK draws the Radiance out of THK, THK might have actually been brought someone that was infected and used them to absorb Radiance in the first place
so you might be sort've correct, in the sense that every Infected has the Radiance in them

sort of

[loud crater]

Paranoia isn’t full proof.

[stable raptor]

yea i thought about that

the dream shield descsays that the moth tribe was able to shape dreams and the radiance herself is a dream

so the chance she had a physical form is valid

[loud crater]

But there’s no proof or evidence of such. And if she did have a physical form it’d be something much more punchable.

Hang on I need to search for something.

[split compass]

I doubt she ever had something like a dedicated vessel, like Grimm is to NMH

I'm not 100% convinced she was never physical herself, but it's not impossible for an HB to be entirely dream-based

I did wonder if the Infection ooze is sort've like her version of a manifested physical form

[stable raptor]

idk if thats correct but isnt the nightmare heart the opposite of the radiance

[split compass]

opposite might not be the right term

they are part of the 'nightmare realm', a part of the overall realm of dreams that is somehow separated from the rest

possibly they are literally the heart of this nightmare realm

but we don't know what role Radiance has in the rest of the realm of dreams, if they rule over some part of it or are connected with it like that

[loud crater]

Dung Defender says that Radiance was a “formless foe” so at least as long as he existed(and as such basically most of Hallownest’s history) the Radiance never had a physical form.

[split compass]

he might be talking about the plague itself though

like, a disease is also a 'formless enemy' that you can't just physically beat up, if you think about it

it's not clear exactly how much the Great Knights knew about the full extent of what was going on with the Infection

[loud crater]

Yeah but even if he is referring to the actually Infection and not the Radiance, PK probably would have tried to physically harm the Radiance if she had a physical form, and I’d imagine he’d use his Great Knights against her first.

[split compass]

I do agree that she couldn't have been present in the waking world when the Infection was going on, she would have been forgotten in the dream realm by then

[loud crater]

Oh yeah I forgot about that.

Whoops.

[split compass]

and I think if PK could have beaten her with the forces at his disposal, he would have tried that when she was caught in THK for a while
gone in there with his dream powers and so forth

[hot lily]

he's not talking about only the infection, per the context of the full sentence

[split compass]

it's true that he knew about the vessels

it's plausible that the knights could have known the entire situation, including Radiance herself

beings like Monomon seem to have known

[heady meadow]

Does the knight have no will

Or does he have a lot of will?

Does it depend on the ending you get?

[loud crater]

It always has a will.

[heady meadow]

So it just has a lot of it?

[loud crater]

Sure I guess.

[heady meadow]

So the pale guy was wrong all along?

[loud crater]

He was just being vague.

He might’ve meant something closer to an unbreakable will I guess I dunno.

[pure inlet]

Yeah

[hot lily]

in the sense that he wrongfully assumed all vessels to be pure from birth, yes

[pure inlet]

Void has a natural mind I’m sure he knew that

“A mind that won’t think about anything that could be tempting” and “A will that won’t be broken” are probably more apt

But they don’t sound as cool

[hot lily]

we don't know what PK exactly wanted out of a Vessel other than for them to permanently contain Radiance

[loud crater]

He didn’t want a child, that’s for damn sure.

[split compass]

he definitely knew something was going on in there, he described it as 'the power opposed' and that it had to be harnessed
so he wasn't under the impression that it was just going to mindlessly do what he wanted

[pure inlet]

Yeah

Dude was a scientist he wouldn’t be that ignorant

[split compass]

if it's obvious to the player...

[lusty plinth]

He should have gotten Divine to eat a Vessel

[split compass]

obvious in hindsight

[loud crater]

“The fuck would that accompl-…”

[split compass]

but he had the other thing

[loud crater]

Damnit he’s right.

[indigo venture]

What am I missing here

Why would that be good

[split compass]

what happens when Divine eats something

like a charm for example

[pure inlet]

I think she digests the stuff around it and it grows stronger in her stomach or something

Because it breaks along with the carapace otherwise

[loud crater]

When divine eats a charm it becomes unbreakable.

[pure inlet]

Actually I don’t really know

[indigo venture]

So that'd make a shell unbreakable

Oh

So Radiance couldn't crack it or something?

[loud crater]

Something like that.

[midnight burrow]

Where am I?

[split compass]

lore town

[indigo venture]

Hey Horf

[midnight burrow]

I'm Brazilian, where is the main chat located?

[indigo venture]

Or anyone here I guess

[indigo venture]

#hk-general

[loud crater]

🐴

[indigo venture]

Do you think pointing out how WL was waiting for a random vessel to arrive is a good argument against "WL said TK Hollow, so it hollow?"

[hot lily]

there's stronger arguments than that

[indigo venture]

I know

I'm still asking because I like to have many

[hot lily]

she contradicts herself regarding how pure she thinks TK is

[loud crater]

I need to copy down the difference between pure and hollow so I don’t retype it so much tbh.

[pure inlet]

Colloquially there isn’t any

[indigo venture]

What the fuck does Colloquially mean

[pure inlet]

People got really specific about it in like 2021

[split compass]

it's a really silly distinction this chat made up, everyone who asks if TK is hollow is asking if they're pure

[pure inlet]

Informally

[loud crater]

Yeah, but I’m really nit picky about it still.

[split compass]

BOO!

[loud crater]

AHHH!

[pure inlet]

Yak actually can you explain your essence less dream thing

I feel like I glossed over it when I saw it

[split compass]

I don't like calling it that but I would be overjoyed

[loud crater]

He’s overjoyed. You know what that means? FISH!

[indigo venture]

I prefer Poker

[lusty plinth]

I hardly know her

[loud crater]

You make me happy.

[split compass]

basically, TK doesn't have dream Essence (there are several pieces of evidence for this)
their mind is comprised of Void instead
so their Abyss Memory is derived from the Void instead of Essence
'dreams' are, generally speaking, mental landscapes made of Essence
the Abyss Memory is a mental landscape made of Void
hence a 'dream(i.e. mental landscape)' without Essence
since Essence and dreams are so closely linked, I think using that terminology for it is misleading

[pure inlet]

I see I see

But like isn’t the memory from the egg

Which would have essence

I thought the dream nail rebounding onto TK was more thematic

[loud crater]

No, it’s from TK.

[loud crater]

That’s what happens.

[split compass]

the egg wouldn't have the memory of TK ascending the Abyss and talking to the PK, the egg would never have seen that

[lusty plinth]

It might have

[split compass]

then that's one fucking impressive egg

[lusty plinth]

THK does dream Essence though

[loud crater]

Mf it’s an eg

[pure inlet]

Ok wait Yak

If TK doesn’t have essence what is the Lost Kin ghost

I know what you’re gonn say

Bear with me

[lusty plinth]

The Void egg always in the background like Humpty Dumpty:

[split compass]

THK does, yes

and BV did have Essence as a vessel, which is what you see left behind on their corpse even after their Shade is gone
my view isn't that all vessels don't ever have Essence, it's that the Knight doesn't

[lusty plinth]

I disagree with any variety of Knight exceptionalism

[split compass]

too bad, it's real!

[loud crater]

Or the lights seeds gave essence for it to have.

[lusty plinth]

If you wrote a doc it must be true

Just like Void Shamans

[pure inlet]

Why doesn’t the knight have any essence if THK and LK do

[indigo venture]

What are the several pieces of evidences, I'm interested

[split compass]

regardless of what the implications are, it is fact that TK is unique among Void entities that when you dream dive into them, they show Void instead of the usual burst of Essence
the only light you see is from the impact of the dream nail (and yes, I can prove it's from the dream nail)

[indigo venture]

Oh that's actually very interesting

[split compass]

Broken Vessel - former vessel, memories left behind on shell
Kingsmould - Void entity, essence instilled into them
THK - vessel, said to be 'tarnished by an idea instilled'
TK - vessel, said to be 'free of such blemishes'

[indigo venture]

It was always odd tome that instead of the flash of white Essence usualy gives when dreamnailing. TK's shell just kinds of flops down

It may be because The Shade just like left and the Shell is left there

[loud crater]

THK has a dream entity in its head and BV had light seeds in it which might have tainted it with essence. Or it’s the light seeds essence.

[pure inlet]

It’s not the Lightseeds’ essence

LK’s ghost moves and the uninfected lightseeds would be too small to manipulate it

So vessels at least do have essence

[split compass]

I think if that were the case, the final ghost of the Lost Kin wouldn't be intact like it is

[hot lily]

TK has Essence because if it didn't Dreamgate wouldn't work, nor would its mind be accessible via the Dream Nail

[split compass]

dreamgate requires dream nail, which TK has
and the dream nail works on TK and they show no Essence so...
guess the dream nail works on a mind even if there's no Essence

[indigo venture]

Dreamgate requires picturing a door

[pure inlet]

I could honestly believe that the DN is tapping into the innate essenceless void mind (as the resulting sequence allows us to supersede it entirely) rather than a hypothetical essenceless TK mind

We know void has an essenceless “mind” since it has no soul

[hot lily]

Dreamgate requires one to "imagine a great gate opening before you" i.e. have Essence in the first place

[pure inlet]

So perhaps the awoken DN allows us to reach beyond the imprint and essentially dream nail the raw void

[split compass]

imagining things requires a mind
TK has a mind
they can imagine stuff
the dream nail does the rest

[pure inlet]

That’s why void comes out

[lusty plinth]

Of note: Shade Beast requires awoken DN

[pure inlet]

But what do you make of it yak I don’t know

I guess I never thought about it

[pure inlet]

True true

[split compass]

personally, I think it's as simple as 'the dream nail reads minds' and it turns out it works even if the mind is without Essence
it was only ever an assumption that it can only work on Essence, because that's all we were ever told
but we're shown it doing it with Void as well
I do agree that the Void has the capacity of mind/memory etc. without Essence, same as it has a kind of 'life' without Soul

[pure inlet]

I think since an imprint is a soul medium any imprinted void being would have to have essence

Collector does Kingsmoulds do etc

Wait actually

I don’t really get what makes TK different from the other Vessels

[brisk venture]

Doesn't the dreamgate work by using the essence stored in the dreamnail itself? What relation does it have with the bearer's essence?

[pure inlet]

Since you already acknowledged they do have essence

[split compass]

TK is basically Void given the form and instincts of a pale child, so they have a mind that has been shaped by contact with a pale child
but they are as without Essence as they are without Soul
I don't know why, but it might be that some vessels just come out that way by chance

hence PK made like a zillion of them

[brisk venture]

vessels which have essence are not pure

[split compass]

that's what I think, yeah

hence 'no mind to think, etc.' is like an allusion to that

[lusty plinth]

Whoever said the DN reads minds

It cuts into the veil between reality and dreams

And it runs solely on Essence, which it collects in that crystal

[split compass]

Functionally, the dream nail lets you look into the minds of others. Seer herself describes it that way:

What are you doing, poking about in a dusty old mind like mine?
The dream nail is made of Essence, and Seer talks exclusively about Essence and dreams in those terms.
But she never explicitly mentions it can only work on Essence, she just omits mention of it working on anything else - she never shows any indication that she knows about the Void.
I think 'show don't tell' is at play here, and we're shown the dream nail can work with the Void in the Birthplace.

frankly, even if the Seer flat out said 'the dream nail can only work with Essence and not anything else, ever, ever!' I would just say she was evidently wrong - NPCs aren't omniscient gods

[lusty plinth]

I think the Knight’s memory is just “protected”, which is why it requires awoken DN

Except instead of being protected by a seal like usual it’s protected by Void

[sage bronze]

the knight's memory doesn't even necessarily need the awoken dn it's just required to get kingsoul which physically lets it access that part of the abyss

[lusty plinth]

I’m assuming it being gated by WP means TC didn’t bother to gate Birthplace itself behind ADN

[sage bronze]

my point is the path you take during gameplay requiring adn doesn't mean the in universe mechanics would require it if the knight could get there some other way

[lusty plinth]

And I’m saying because you can’t get there any other way in the game they didn’t gate it

If you could they would

[sage bronze]

why would you make that claim it seems unnecessary and unfounded

that may be the case but it may also not be the case there's nothing pointing either way

like you could say the same thing about dream nailing a royal retainer

[lusty plinth]

Their minds are not special like a Vessel’s

[split compass]

we do see something like a Void seal on the Shade Beast, though it's pretty different
THK is protected against even the awoken dream nail until Hornet intervenes - though I don't know the nature of that protection, or if that's common to all vessels

[sage bronze]

we don't need adn to encounter the remnants of lost kin vessel minds aren't really that special

we also don't need adn to read collector

[pure inlet]

Eh

[lusty plinth]

The Shell is a hermetic seal

Otherwise if you could get in, Rad could get out

[pure inlet]

I don’t think it’s unfair to guess it does

Its not unfair to suggest the alternative though

[sage bronze]

I'm saying it's weird to make a definitive claim either way especially when other void stuff just acts normally

[lusty plinth]

Regardless of the qualities of the mind, my argument is the memory of the Birthplace specifically is “protected”

[sage bronze]

if you need adn to access a dream in a void body why doesn't collector need it

[pure inlet]

Imprint

[lusty plinth]

The Knight doesn’t remember it until it actively cuts into its own memory

[pure inlet]

You’re accessing the memory of the void entity

Not the fetus

[sage bronze]

there's not really a clear line there

[lusty plinth]

If it remembered it VH would be automatic

[sage bronze]

it's about confronting the past as much as it is literally recalling what happened

[lusty plinth]

Yes

It’s suppressed

Or sealed

By Void

[sage bronze]

that doesn't really mean anything

[hot lily]

ok wait what's being debated here

[sage bronze]

why does being void magically make suppressed trauma memories take additional magic seal breaking to access

[sage bronze]

zor is claiming that the abyss dream requires adn inherently to access

[hot lily]

that's indeterminate, because ADN is only required to get both halves of the Kingsoul

[sage bronze]

that's what I said

[lusty plinth]

Truly, it has been transformed by the revelations it found.

Not contended with

Plus revelation means to unveil

[hot lily]

that is not the only definition of the word in question

[sage bronze]

that's also not the only description of the event

[lusty plinth]

Who else

[hot lily]

the achievement for getting the Birthplace cutscene, Void, says

Remember the past and unite the Abyss

[sage bronze]

Show me you can accept this Kingdom's past and claim responsibility for its future.

[hot lily]

yeah that's Hornet's take of it

[lusty plinth]

That’s kb no?

[sage bronze]

I'm not saying it didn't forget stuff I'm just saying that remembering the facts is only part of the equation

[sage bronze]

hornet is talking about void heart though

[lusty plinth]

?

[pure inlet]

She is?

When does she say that

[sage bronze]

that's why she directed it to get kb

[pure inlet]

Cause like

[lusty plinth]

No?

[pure inlet]

???

[hot lily]

ok wait

[pure inlet]

She not that smart bro

[sage bronze]

Ghost. I see you've faced the place of your birth, and now drape yourself in the substance of its shadow.

Though our strength is born of similar source, that part of you, that crucial emptiness, I do not share.
Funny then, that such darkness gives me hope. Within it, I see the chance of change.
A difficult journey you would face, but a choice it can create. Prolong our world's stasis or face the heart of its infection.

...It faced the void, and ascends unscathed... Could it unite such vast darkness?..

[lusty plinth]

That’s Shade Cloak

[pure inlet]

Show me you can accept this Kingdom's past and claim responsibility for its future.

This is KB

[sage bronze]

yes because it makes her optimistic that vh is gonna happen

I don't think 'could it unite such vast darkness' is all that ambiguous

[hot lily]

agree, she's clearly alluding to VH even if she doesn't know VH itself could exist

[lusty plinth]

What did the first part have to do with anything

[sage bronze]

A difficult journey you would face, but a choice it can create. Prolong our world's stasis or face the heart of its infection.

pre vh

[pure inlet]

Yes

[sage bronze]

Ghost of Hallownest, you possess the strength to enact an end of your choosing. Would you supplant our birth-cursed sibling, or would you transcend it?

post vh

[pure inlet]

Take responsibility for its future also refers to maintaining the stasis

[sage bronze]

taking responsibility for its future is making the choice

the choice created by...

[lusty plinth]

This is about witnessing the sin of PK hidden in the Abyss

[sage bronze]

But could you raise your nail once knowing its tragic conception? And knowing yourself?...
Then do it, Ghost of Hallownest! Head onward. Burn that mark upon your shell and claim yourself as King.

[sage bronze]

which directly contributes to what

[lusty plinth]

Taking the mantle of King requires accepting the sins of the previous king

[sage bronze]

which lets it do what 😭

 ...It faced the void, and ascends unscathed... Could it unite such vast darkness?..

[hot lily]

zor come on man

[lusty plinth]

Seeing the Vessel corpses has nothing to do with the Birthplace cutscene

Otherwise TK would go fuck… i’m just a husk man… on the first entrance to the abyss

[hot lily]

not what he's arguing

[sage bronze]

yes this is why I'm saying the experience of reliving the memory is an important part of confronting and accepting the past

[lusty plinth]

I’m saying any mention of Hornet’s of realising the tragic past is just the Vessel plan

[pure inlet]

Chud knight

[sage bronze]

except she explicitly talks about uniting the void

[pure inlet]

Lowkey why does she say that

Ellina does the same thing

[sage bronze]

and how the path the knight is on will allow radiance to be destroyed

A difficult journey you would face, but a choice it can create. Prolong our world's stasis or face the heart of its infection.
this choice is created by void heart specifically

[lusty plinth]

It’s not a stretch from seeing someone return unharmed from a mindless pit of death and thinking they have power over it

[pure inlet]

Yeah but she doesn’t get the realization until she sees us come back up

[lusty plinth]

If someone walked out of a den of tigers you would think they had power over tigers

[pure inlet]

Letting us get KB isn’t for that purpose

What if we fucking died

[sage bronze]

except she tests its strength beforehand??

if the knight died then it was too weak anyways

[pure inlet]

To beat THK yes lmao

[sage bronze]

this is such a clear through line with hornet's dialogue

[pure inlet]

The clear through line is that she starts having the pipe dream after she sees us climb up and out of the void

Do you think her “another path may be possible” is about VH

To Herrah

[sage bronze]

then why did she direct it to seek the grave of ash and send it down there

[sage bronze]

yes

[lusty plinth]

To realise the sins of PK!!

[pure inlet]

Because it’s easier to beat THK with shade cloak

[hot lily]

yes, considering before that point she didn't even consider killing Radiance to be an option

[pure inlet]

It's no surprise then you've managed to reach the heart of this world. In so doing, you shall know the sacrifice that keeps it standing.
If, knowing that truth, you'd still attempt a role in Hallownest's perpetuation, seek the Grave in Ash and the mark it would grant to one like you.

This is about the vessel project not VH at all

[sage bronze]

she doesn't even know about that bruh

[pure inlet]

Sorry let me add a tone indicator

[sage bronze]

she's easing it in and testing its resolve

[pure inlet]

“If you see the sacrifices that led THK to this point, maybe you’ll have a better idea of what you have to do”

[hot lily]

this is prior to the statements that are relevant

[pure inlet]

That’s literally what the dialogue says

[pure inlet]

Yes it’s immediately prior

[sage bronze]

and what it has to do is

the idea that she just spontaneously came up with the idea of void unification to kill radiance right in abyss after shade cloak is very silly

[lusty plinth]

Kill

[pure inlet]

...So strong...
You could do it, if you had the will.
But could you raise your nail once knowing its tragic conception? And knowing yourself?...

This isn’t about void heart

“Could you fight your sibling and supplant it knowing how it got to where it is”

The focus is sealing until it actually ascends back up to her from the Abyss

[sage bronze]

she doesn't want it to do that

[pure inlet]

Then she’s like

Wow

[lusty plinth]

• The Knight seems to have power over Void
• Void kills Light
• Maybe the Knight can harness the Void to kill Radiance

Not a leap of the imagination

[sage bronze]

it very much is strange to assume that she's talking about two completely different things in the same way and directing the knight to do the same things to achieve two different goals with a random shift in the middle

But could you raise your nail once knowing its tragic conception? And knowing yourself?...

To break the Dreamer's seals would alone be considered an impossible task, but to accept that void inside yourself, that casts you as something rather exceptional.

Show me you can accept this Kingdom's past and claim responsibility for its future.

Ghost of Hallownest, you possess the strength to enact an end of your choosing. Would you supplant our birth-cursed sibling, or would you transcend it?

A difficult journey you would face, but a choice it can create. Prolong our world's stasis or face the heart of its infection.
...It faced the void, and ascends unscathed... Could it unite such vast darkness?..

there's a lot of really specific procedural knowledge about how vh was created to claim she was just guessing

[pure inlet]

Wow it’s Embrace the Void

[pure inlet]

She’s literally guessing here

She’d have no logical scientific basis for unified void that we know of

Unless she studied AC in her spare time

[sage bronze]

she tells it to accept its nature

then she says that it accepted its nature by getting vh

[hot lily]

once again she has a hunch that it could unify Void

she is guessing but that guess turned out to be valid

[sage bronze]

she had a lot of time

[pure inlet]

You know what

Actually I believe it

[sage bronze]

idk where hornet learned the info but she's presented as knowing what she's talking about

[pure inlet]

So is WL

[sage bronze]

except wl is subverted and hornet is affirmed

[lusty plinth]

“Listen here my daughter, it is very important for you to understand what Daddy’s doing with Void in case the Vessel which I made to never fail and don’t expect in any way to fail fails”

[pure inlet]

If Hornet wanted to preserve the sanctity of Hallownest’s end why did she just let Soul Master live after knowing exactly what he did

[sage bronze]

he was killing poor people and they smelled bad

[pure inlet]

She probably couldn’t beat him

Or TL

[sage bronze]

well yeah she's a fraud

probably couldn't beat tl but sm sure

not much reason to though

[pure inlet]

Go visit her mother I don’t know

She randomly goes and visits Herrah

One of your moms is still alive lmao

[sage bronze]

I don't think it's a random herrah visit I think she knew the knight was heading there and went to say goodbye

[pure inlet]

Well yeah

[sage bronze]

midwife says hornet has been away for a long time

[pure inlet]

But if she’s gonna be all sappy

I guess TC didn’t think about all that until SS

“Some affection” my ass

Anyway as far as TK’s essenceless dreamscape

I dunno I’m just not convinced that some vessels come out different like that

[lusty plinth]

Isn’t the trigger for her showing up having done the second fight

[pure inlet]

There’s enough undeniable uniqueness when it comes to that scene I’d see it as a special case

[sage bronze]

the colorless green

[lusty plinth]

This might be the truest rebuttal of all

[sage bronze]

yes

[lusty plinth]

wait

[sage bronze]

(which also indicates she knew about the whole unifying void idea prior to abyss)

[lusty plinth]

No I’m just thinking about her originally going “oh it’s fine it probably won’t even make it to her” and after the second fight she’s like “fuckkk it’s gonna kill mum”

[sage bronze]

more like "god dammit I have to let it kill mum"

not that she could do much about it

[lusty plinth]

No she’s like fuck it’s actually going to succeed now i have to go visit

and interact with fucking midwife probably

[sage bronze]

"I'd not have obstructed this happening, but it caused me some pain to knowingly stand idle." as though she could do shit about it even if she wanted to

[pure inlet]

Well she doesn’t bind during our fight

She’s doing a no heal run

[lusty plinth]

“Yeah uhhh I totally could have stopped you I just didn’t want to so there”

Hornet is a statement merchant

[loud crater]

“It hurt but I had to let it happen”(had to because she’d get sent to the shadow realm if she tried to stop it)

Hornet is a nail 0 victim as well so

[hot lily]

she loses to BASE Knight

[hardy lichen]

why tf pale king want a hallownest ?

[pure inlet]

Natural biological function of his Wyrm species

It’s like wanting a kid

[velvet veldt]

how did the hollow knight get so big

did he hit the gym or something

he is height mogging me

[split compass]

yes, actually
they were said to be 'raised and trained to Prime Form'
so it had something to do with their training and upbringing

[velvet veldt]

how are we so strong then

we beat a damn god

untrained

[split compass]

TK spent like their whole life out in the wastes fighting beasts and stuff
different upbringing, different training

a lot of people also think the pale beings were involved and used magic or something on THK to help

TK is small because of child neglect

[velvet veldt]

ooo

is hornet our sibling too?

[split compass]

yes - same father

[velvet veldt]

but she isnt a vessel right thats why she said she cant go in until times right in the black egg

[split compass]

that's right

[velvet veldt]

how we are son of the king if we are just a vessel

with void filled in it

[split compass]

the vessels were made from the children of the king and queen
their eggs were put deep in the Abyss so the Void could get them

killed em and filled em

[velvet veldt]

dam thats dark

so hornet was the special child they didnt wanted to throw in abyss

[split compass]

hornet was made so her mom, Herrah the Beast, would help the pale king

it doesn't seem like PK cared about her that much

Herrah was the one who wanted her

[velvet veldt]

and im getting the void heart ending

how did the knight get out of abyss?

if the king sealed it after taking hollow knight

the game starts at king's pass

[split compass]

no idea! even TC admitted they don't know
but there must be other ways out, since other vessels get out too
somehow TK ended up out in the wastes, we don't know exactly how

but the Abyss is huge in the lore, there could be passages that go pretty much anywhere in the world

[velvet veldt]

i see

its kindof sad to fight hollow knight. bro is trying to end himself

he must be in so much pain

[split compass]

[velvet veldt]

did they tell anything about the radiance?

llike how did it appeared

[split compass]

we don't know where she came from originally, but she was once worshipped by the moth tribe that lives in Hallownest, who she actually created
when they abandoned her to worship the Pale King, she became angry and started to infect the dreams of everyone in Hallownest so she would never be forgotten

[velvet veldt]

and who is grimm

[split compass]

a wacky guy

[velvet veldt]

is he unrealted to all this king stuff

[split compass]

completely, yeah, though he seems to know all about it, and the queen knows about him

[velvet veldt]

queen?

[split compass]

he acts as a vessel of sorts for another god, the Nightmare Heart

[split compass]

the White Lady, mother of the vessels

[velvet veldt]

oh

wait so herrah is just mother not queen?

[split compass]

Herrah was the queen of the spiders down in Deepnest, White Lady was the queen of the kingdom of Hallownest that PK founded

[velvet veldt]

oo

anways grimm is so freaking cool

peakest boss in this game ngl

[split compass]

yeah, I think he's the best boss also

[velvet veldt]

im saving the nightmare version for last (saving peak stuff for end)

radiance is not hard but he does massive damage bru

anyways ty for all that lore

[bleak loom]

wait i just watched yt

the pale king just

makes thousands of babies with white lady?

[loud crater]

Yeah.

[bleak loom]

dang

must say this again

needle vs cave entrance

[velvet veldt]

just finished hk

i have some questions

so the knight is now dead?

[lusty plinth]

Sort of

Which ending did you get?

[velvet veldt]

in which radiance dies

i use power of friendship (void) to defeat her

[lusty plinth]

TK’s Shade just went back into the Abyss with all the Siblings after its shell broke

[velvet veldt]

what is the dream no more?

and embrance the void

[rugged comet]

Achievement: Dream No More

Defeat the Radiance and consume the light.

@megathekindly used /achievements category: Endings achievement: Dream No More

Achievement: Embrace the Void

Ascend the Pantheon of Hallownest and take your place at its peak.

@megathekindly used /achievements category: Godmaster achievement: Embrace the Void

[indigo venture]

This

[undone nebula]

Chat, who tf is midwife?

[earnest plover]

oh shit wrong chat

[brisk venture]

Probably delete this

[indigo venture]

Herrahs Midwife

Kind of like a pet

[glass token]

Wrong channel

[velvet veldt]

whats the lore of grimm troupe

[indigo venture]

A troupe travelling to dead kingdoms, collecting scarlet flames during a ritual to keep The Nightmare Heart alive

[velvet veldt]

and what was that opening of nkg?

[indigo venture]

Aurafarming

[velvet veldt]

did he like reborn stronger or something

[velvet veldt]

that makes sense

its grimm afterall

first bowing like a gentleman then giving a dope entry

[indigo venture]

I mean it is the last moments of his life

It makes sense he wants to show off

[velvet veldt]

wdym last moments?

[indigo venture]

I mean he dies after NKG fight

Gets eaten

[velvet veldt]

i mean lorewise he was probably expecting to slime us

[indigo venture]

Not really

The ritual is all about Grimm dying

And grimmchild getting stronger

And then grimmchild eats Grimm and becomes TNH new Avatar

[velvet veldt]

oh so the grimmchild is the next grimm?

[indigo venture]

Yes

[velvet veldt]

cool

all this for a ass charm btw

bro misses half of his spits

[wraith trellis]

What do you guys think about path of pain

[wraith trellis]

He's there for moral support man

[waxen oyster]

Bring him in fog cayon for infinite soul
Source by me

[indigo venture]

I mean I think its cool that PK made it just to safe guard a fond memory of him and THK

[split compass]

it's about the journey

[wraith trellis]

You think all of that was just to guard the memory?

[indigo venture]

Yes

[undone nebula]

Huh? I see, she knows a lots of lore

[undone nebula]

Wait what was the nightmare heart again?

[indigo venture]

The higher being the Grimm troupe "Work" for

[indigo venture]

Yeah she is very old

[undone nebula]

Oh to keep the flame alive right? But why tho? What do they get in return? Is it like a cult? They just blindly follows it?

[marble birch]

They are essentially a cult, yeah. The Nightmare Heart is a Higher Being/God of the Dream Realm, similar to Radiance.

[hot lily]

radiance is not a god of the realm itself

[indigo bolt]

This game has lore?

[sand stump]

yuh

[wanton zephyr]

Everything you do is lore

[indigo venture]

To keep TNH alive. Grimm because he is the avatar, the rest of the troupe because they are in it for the long run. The rest of the troupe joined to gain something, although Some bums (Brumm) then wanted out but were refused. Yes, it is a cult. No, there is reason

[indigo venture]

What is the Lorest lore you have ✨ Milore ✨

[wanton zephyr]

THK is very lorey, my lore

[indigo venture]

Why do you like the IT so much

[wanton zephyr]

Cuz lore, duh

[undone nebula]

But to gain what? What is the reason?

[indigo venture]

Unknown. To keep TNH alive

It may simply just be because of mutual interestes (Divine for example)

[undone nebula]

Ahh intresting

i hope team cherry add them in pharlooom too with extra lore

[brisk venture]

Yeah we'd definitely love the grimm troupe in sk

[timber snow]

unfortunately ||act 3 is all about saving pharloom so it doesn’t die||

no dead kingdom no troupe

[sand stump]

||Though, there are dead kingdoms within Pharloom. ||

[timber snow]

||verdania in present time is little more than a cave, but true i didn’t think about coral or verdania||

if ya asked me they’re just big civilizations though akin to mantises and not actual kingdoms
(yes ik their leaders are called a prince and a king, but the lords are called lords)

[loud crater]

I’ve always interpreted it as ||saving the land of Pharloom and less the, pretty dead, kingdom of Pharloom.||

[timber snow]

||i mean the only dead thing is the citadel, which yea ig the institute of pharloom is dead but like, theres still so many cities and settlements still around, it’s not really dead and do those things just stop being part of the kingdom when the citadel stopped working?||

[loud crater]

There’s ||Bellheart which I guess maybe? Bone Bottom isn’t officially a part of the actual Kingdom of Pharloom, it’s kinda similar to like a refugee camp for lack of a better term? But also it’s not just that, the actual leadership of the Kingdom of Pharloom is all dead. There’s one architect, who eventually dies. One Conductor, who eventually dies. And one archive dude who certainly isn’t fit to do anything productive. It’s pretty dead.||

[timber snow]

||there are much more towns we don’t see that are mentioned, but yea the leadership being dead is true, still seems to me there is simply too much life for the troupe to arrive||

[loud crater]

||I’m not sure if it’s said anywhere that there’s a bunch more towns tho. It’s sorta just an assumption.||

[timber snow]

||shakras town, the town that all the pilgrims and shit come from at the outskirts iirc, and the town that garmond and zara were from||

||unless you wanna argue there are only two other unmentioned towns in a massive kingdom (seems unlikely) safe to say there are more||

[loud crater]

||Only two parts I’ll argue is that Shakera’s tribe town thing likely wasn’t part of Pharloom and that the Pilgrims could also come from other kingdoms, not just towns in Pharloom.||

[timber snow]

||isn’t the whole thing with the haunting and pilgrims was that it was passed down for generations||

||that’s why they were so easy to get, the silk was already in them||

[loud crater]

Yeah I forgot that part.

||Most pilgrims probably were from areas that had silk tainted stuff in them.||

[indigo venture]

#sk-lore

[stable falcon]

So lemme see
||So basically the radiance was a god for the moth people but the pale king arrived and made himself a new god and then the moth people all died out ,so the radiance,to not be forgotten,initiated the infection,so she could be remembered yes,as "the thing that destroyed Hallownest"||

Did I get the lore right?

[hot lily]

kind of

[timber snow]

no need to spoiler tag here if it’s not silksong related, but kinda
PK arrived and the moths willingly turned their backs on Radiance, and forgot her
yea she started the infection to be remembered but more in a not dying sense then a need to be remembered for that
she definitely wanted to destroy hallownest though

[hot lily]

a lot of people like to assume/assert that PK somehow coerced or otherwise forced the Moths to forget about Radiance, which isn't the case in the final game

[indigo venture]

Senris this is the fucking lore channel you can't 🤓 react me

That's friendly fire

[timber snow]

i can and i shall

[indigo venture]

It is what it is

Regardless now that we're on the topic of Radiance

[hot lily]

and no the dev notes aren't canon, and even if they were, the explanation given in its case conflicts with the final game's contents so it would be overridden regardless

[rugged comet]

Developer note: Stuff (Seer)

You were in a dream. Those figures, the Guardians... they used what little power they still have and dragged you into their hidden realm.
Perhaps you frighten them? Or perhaps, being prisoners themselves, they desired your company?
In doing so, they broke a very old and very important law. Yes.
I am a caretaker of sorts, I've been charged with...
But you've brought something back with you, haven't you? The Dream Nail. (basic explanation of dream nail)
Also, bring me Dream Orbs. Bring me X Dream Orbs and I'll reward you.

@megathekindly used /dev-notes category: NPC name: Stuff (Seer)

[indigo venture]

This is an example of such

[hot lily]

well i'm quoting the notes surrounding Seer specifically

[indigo venture]

Like this one?

[hot lily]

there's another

[indigo venture]

Yeah but it's one of them

[hot lily]

<@&283547423706447872> memer

[mental dagger]

If the Radiance were to become much more powerful than her Absolute form, I could see her becoming like a King In Yellow type of entity

[sand stump]

What 😭

[humble current]

What 🙏

[forest ether]

bro caught the infection

[lament flax]

i personally think the crossroads were connected to dirtmouth at one point cause of the place you find sly

[split compass]

most likely
there's a really good area review by ccmaci that talks about the crossroads, and he points out a lot of bits that suggest as much in-game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M7mXTiIcnw

[lament flax]

yeah i just thoguht of the idea today as i was thinking of quitting hk and finally moving onto skong

[stable raptor]

how do yall think creatures like primal aspids and vengeflies acted before the infection

[outer abyss]

terratorial

[stable raptor]

atp with or without infection nothing changed

[outer abyss]

prob that they are more hostile and dangerous i dont think it changed too much

[stable raptor]

ok now what about nosk

[outer abyss]

nosk has been created or overtaken by the infection, this makes it hostile against vessels

[stable raptor]

it seems hostile against all tbh

[outer abyss]

why would it be hostile to the vessels in the first place, they are empty

[stable raptor]

hes surely overtaken tho, most dead bugs dream nail dialogues say stuff i dont think infected bugs would say

[outer abyss]

yes he is

[stable raptor]

probably the same reason that makes willow think about eating the knight

[outer abyss]

willow isnt infected...

[stable raptor]

i know

[outer abyss]

willow is just really curious of how the knight tastes

[stable raptor]

maybe thats the same for nosk

nosk prob feeds on vessel shells ig

[outer abyss]

nosk is a creature that lures his pray to his tomb, you can even see he is overtaken by infection, the orange blob

[outer abyss]

...what

[stable raptor]

yes

[outer abyss]

never heard of that be4

[stable raptor]

what

[outer abyss]

that nosk feeds on the shells of the vessels

why would he...?

[stable raptor]

i just said

[outer abyss]

or it idk

[outer abyss]

why...

[stable raptor]

because he cant eat void so he eats whats not void of them

[outer abyss]

what if

the radience has overtaken nosk, so that the vessels cant escape the void

because its really close to his 'home'

thats why he traps vessels

[stable raptor]

idk

nosk barely have lore

aside from him luring bugs to his lair

[outer abyss]

yeah true

[outer abyss]

and vessels.

[ebon sun]

doesnt void kill the radiance so if nosk feeds on a vessel hes just killing himself becuase the void kills the infection, and hes completly infected

[stable raptor]

yea thats why i said he probably eats vessels shells not shades

[ebon sun]

but dont the shells also have void

arent the shells the only thing keeping the void in

[stable raptor]

they contain it

they arent made of void

if the vessel is killed dosent the void inside it get released

leaving an empty body ?

same thing we see with broken vessel

[ebon sun]

but the shell stays

oh i see what you mean now

[stable raptor]

something made me think of that is shells having soul inside them

void dosent give you soul

so shells arent made of void and they are just like other bugs

[ebon sun]

but when fighting collecter you get no soul bc he is just void

but pure vessel does give soul because he has a shell

so shells do give soul

[ionic wind]

Is the knight ambidextrous(both handed)? Cause in most screenshots the knight is depicted as being left handed, as well as in game the nail handle is on the right, indicating that they grab it with their left hand, however in some(few) offical promotional art for hk the knight is using its right hand to hold the nail.

So the knight should canonically be ambidextrous since its offical art.

[indigo venture]

Shells are from a stillborn fetus

[lusty plinth]

What do you mean the nail handle is on the right?

[ionic wind]

The nail goes from the top right to the bottom left in the sprite(from our POV)

[lusty plinth]

What sprite

[ionic wind]

just any main one

when their not holding the nail

[lusty plinth]

?

[ionic wind]

When the nail is on the knights back

[lusty plinth]

Oh, I see

It’s the opposite of what you said

[ionic wind]

Its different on some sprites

for example on this one: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hollowknight/images/a/af/The_Knight_Resting.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width/360?cb=20200803004722

why can't I send images

[loud crater]

No image perms.

[ionic wind]

Any way for me to get em

[loud crater]

Talk a lot I think.

[ionic wind]

fair enough

[lusty plinth]

Odd

[ionic wind]

That feels like it just adds to the point though, since all of those sprites are offical, the knight can use both right and left hand

[molten wing]

Grimm knows our backstory

[dry grove]

Id assume most kingdom travelling bugs would know what happened to most kingdoms

[sand stump]

What's the topic?

[indigo venture]

How does grimm know about Vessels

[sand stump]

Aah

[indigo venture]

Higher Being 4chan or sum

[lusty plinth]

“Scarlet eyes”

[indigo venture]

TNH is OP

[sand stump]

Well the story of Hallownest could've been quite seeable
They would've seen it rise and would've seen it fall

[indigo venture]

Maybe TNH saw PKs nightmares about the creation of the vessels and that how he know

[indigo venture]

Yeah but how does it Know about the vessels is my question

Considering that even The 5GK didnt know there were more

Much less the general public

[sand stump]

It's not like PK hid the kingdom
And it's not like THK was secret, he most likely would've been seen in public, even when young

[indigo venture]

Yeah thats THK

[lusty plinth]

This is my favourite headcanon

[indigo venture]

I made it

Its mine

[lusty plinth]

The method behind their making was a secret though

[sand stump]

THK when small/young looked extraordinarily like TK

[lusty plinth]

Other people have had this idea as well

[indigo venture]

No

because I say so

[sand stump]

Yeah that doesn't really matter in this case

[indigo venture]

Yeah thats THK

The existance of others like it was unkown

[lusty plinth]

It does when he says excellent craft dear wyrm

[indigo venture]

Thats so weird

[sand stump]

Yeah, he would've known THK was made by PK and there might've been documents of THK when small, or even sightings
So one could come to the conclusion that

1. These two look very alike
2. There are these sorts of corpses in only certain areas
3. They seem to be Pale in some regards

[molten wing]

The whole kingdom has fallen so it has been a looong time, I don’t think there is much memory of The Pale King

[indigo venture]

There is actually

[sand stump]

Godseekers and literally everyone left alive

[dry grove]

Nah

[indigo venture]

Thats a lot of assumptions

imo

[lusty plinth]

Pale King is like the only thing left of the old kingdom that people remember

His face is fucking everywhere

[indigo venture]

Even hunter does

That guy doesnt care about the Kingdom

[sand stump]

Well then what's your idea?

[dry grove]

His face is litterally the hallownest symbol lmao

[indigo venture]

What I said earlier

Although I guess thats more headcanon than anything

[molten wing]

Ok…

Well

Bugs who left the kingdom forgot all their memory

[indigo venture]

[molten wing]

Like Qurriel and The Knight

[indigo venture]

Only ones that were given Mind by PKs beacon Id assume

[lusty plinth]

TK should be independently sapient

[sand stump]

Well they are

no?

[indigo venture]

They supressed their conception or such

[lusty plinth]

It lost its memory

Maybe it was just time

[molten wing]

Hornet says that The Knight is born from two voids, one being the actual void and the other being their amnesia from wandering the wastes

[sand stump]

Its not like they lost them, cuz bugs granted minds by the Beacon were stripped of their mind, not just memories

Quirrel was able to keep his mind cuz of the Mask

and TK is Pale, and probably just suprressed them

[molten wing]

He forgot everything

[sand stump]

Yeah, but he kept his mind

I just said "keep his mind"

[molten wing]

Because of Monomons mask

[sand stump]

As I said

wait what

Are you just saying "He forgot everything" or "He forgot everything because of monomons mask"?

[molten wing]

But Grimm knows The Knight’s WHOLE backstory

[molten wing]

He forgot everything

[indigo venture]

Grimm is just built different man

[molten wing]

He kept his “higher form” because of monomons mask

Grimm is the vessel for a higher being so maybe he knows The Knights backstory because of the nightmare heart?

[molten wing]

Even when The Knight didn’t

[stable raptor]

i mean isnt grimm a vessel for the nightmare heart

[indigo venture]

Avatar/Vessel

[stable raptor]

if hes a higher being he 100% have knowledge about vessels

[indigo venture]

He isnt

[sand stump]

He isn't and why would he?

thats a mad jump

[stable raptor]

nightmare heart not grimm

[stable raptor]

oh okay

[indigo venture]

Higher Being 4chan bro

[stable raptor]

what 🙏

[stable raptor]

dosent mean grimm cant know

his relation with the nightmare heart surely has smth to do with that

[sand stump]

Why would nightmare heart "just know"

[stable raptor]

🤷

thats the question

[molten wing]

Yes

But the higher beings can die, and they don’t know everything

If they did, ||GMS would have taken Hornet and other weavers a lot sooner than she did||

Maybe it’s from the nightmare flames?

Those pictures were taken after I beat Grimm

[indigo venture]

Spoiler tag silksong stuff

[molten wing]

Ok

[stable raptor]

i dont really know i just said so, and as far i do know higher beings are unaffected by age since they arent mortals, they still can be killed

[molten wing]

I don’t think they are unaffected by age, rather way less affected than other bugs

[stable raptor]

maybe

could explain why pale king died

[indigo venture]

My take is they died of Grief

there are other valid options like Suicide or the same but Guilt

His body doesnt seem decayed enough to be Age

Specially considering WL is still fine

Senile but fine

[molten wing]

Yeah

[stable raptor]

i thought of that

[stable raptor]

its on a dream realm tho

[stable raptor]

what abt unn

[stiff bough]

Does tpk have to do path of pain or white palace everything he wakes up to pee

????

[brisk venture]

pk made pop to preserve the memory of him and thk

[indigo venture]

I mean yeah but he is real

[stable raptor]

i guess

[tranquil zenith]

Were did the white lady come from, like ik the pale king just wandered into hallownest s a wyrm but was she always there like unn and the radiance or did she also show up like the pale king.

[near sequoia]

Its not known

[boreal hearth]

He died either from old age or he just oofed himself because of his failure

[wanton zephyr]

We don’t know how he died

He just died

[boreal hearth]

Considering the games takes place years after the hollow knight

But I question myself this everytime, how are the vessels filled with void?

I'm curious if I missed something

Because I belated the game112%

[wanton zephyr]

They threw the eggs into the abyss
The void ate the fetus from the inside
They are now void filled shells

[boreal hearth]

Damn I didn't know that

By the way I think that streamers overstimate path of pain

I beat it in less than half an hour

And they say it took them like 6 hours, I think that's embarassing

[loud crater]

They just have skill issues.

[stable raptor]

i like to believe he oofed himself rather than old age because his last words are literally "no cost too great"

he was prob remembering his failure

[boreal hearth]

That was in our mind

We have no cost too great

But yeah he prob oofed himself

[stable raptor]

the cost too great was probably the friendswe made along the way 🥀

[boreal hearth]

I would too if I spent years creating a perfect vessel just for it to leak out the infection I was trying to keep under control

[boreal hearth]

GEEETT OUUUUUUT

[stable raptor]

keep in mind that he also killed countless of his own children for nothing

[boreal hearth]

Exactly, no cost too great, the "mistakes" got just thrown away

How did the knight escape the abyss tho?

[stable raptor]

pretty sure the pale king was aware of the fact that he was gonna fail

but he chosed denial

[boreal hearth]

Yea

Soul master also predicted it

[boreal hearth]

When we spawn for the first time when found ourselves at the entrance of hallownest

[stable raptor]

other exits we cant access ingame because its 2D

[boreal hearth]

I think that the knight escaped the abyss in some way, wanted to get out of hallownest, but then years later came back to fix his father's mistake and save everyone

[stable raptor]

the knight left hallownest earlier and got called back by the radiance

[signal marlin]

"for nothing" isnt really accurate

[boreal hearth]

That actually makes sense

Just like quirrel

[stable raptor]

i mean all his sacrafises gone in vain

[boreal hearth]

Throwing the other vessels away was dumb

He could have made an entire army

To trap the radiance forever

[stable raptor]

white lady says that btw

the knight was outside hallownest and got called back

which leaves the question

[boreal hearth]

I didn't speak a lot to the white lady

[stable raptor]

will we see other vessels in silksong

[boreal hearth]

Can you add me so we can talk sometimes?

[stable raptor]

sure

[boreal hearth]

Yay

[hot lily]

i mean in the sense of all of his efforts to save the kingdom were for nothing, it is

[stable raptor]

tbh, he couldve saved the kingdom by rejecting the moth tribe

the radiance did this just because her people left her

[hot lily]

he probably couldn't have prevented them from forgetting Radiance, it was their choice

[stable raptor]

maybe

[heady meadow]

Who da frick is Mr mushroom?

[loud crater]

A fungus.

[pure inlet]

HB

[humble current]

A funny mushroom

[languid fiber]

maybe the player voice, maybe the dev voice, maybe just a joke

[misty marsh]

i have this theory that city of tears was just an oligarchy and everything is controlled by wealth

and lurien was just some rich guy with a lot of influence

[indigo venture]

It's the herald that watches the passing of the age

[lusty plinth]

prolly

[loud crater]

Nothing really indicates it tbh.

[hot lily]

wealth disparity did exist throughout the kingdom

[lusty plinth]

The husks there are said to be very rich and ineffective and such

Probably disconnected from the common man

[humble current]

Pretty sure it was a monarchy, since there was a king

[subtle linden]

That's kind of correct

[still gulch]

Guys dumb question but hear me out

Who would win in a fight?
Shade Lord or TAS Knight (without any upgrades)

[silent mirage]

tas knight

[lusty plinth]

TAS Knight is literally perfect

[vale oyster]

A tas would be able to use glitches
Whats the shade lord gonna do when you start breaking the laws of physics of its world

[half axle]

now theres a guy who knows ball, berserk, dark souls and hollow knight fan at the same time

[quiet ruin]

Can someone tell me about hollow knight lore?

[wraith trellis]

So

[quiet ruin]

Ye

[wraith trellis]

What do u wanna know

[quiet ruin]

Umm idk i started playing yesterday

[sand stump]

Play through the game

[wraith trellis]

Play through the game

[sand stump]

Best not to get spoilers

[quiet ruin]

What happenes at the start then

[sand stump]

You drop into Kings Pass

[quiet ruin]

And

[sand stump]

I think its called that, don't remember

[quiet ruin]

K

[wraith trellis]

You go to dirthmouth

[quiet ruin]

O

[wraith trellis]

And then drop down to crossroads

[sand stump]

Then you go down to Dirtmouth

[quiet ruin]

Ye

Any lore on that

[wraith trellis]

On what?

[sand stump]

What did you find?

[wraith trellis]

Dirthmouth?

[quiet ruin]

Crossroads

[brisk venture]

imagine the HUGE amount of lore we could've gotten if the game got more funding than a gas station pizza

[wraith trellis]

Oh

[brisk venture]

Abyss expansion 😭

[wraith trellis]

Eh

I kinda like the game the way it is

[brisk venture]

I absolutely love the abyss

[sand stump]

I'd say it'd still be fairly ambiguous
We would get tidbits and just get a few elaborations along with it opening a thousand more questions that would need answers

[brisk venture]

one of the most lore heavy areas of the game

[wraith trellis]

Why

I don't think I've been there more than two times

[quiet ruin]

How long does it take to beat hollow knight

?

[sand stump]

Nah the Abyss is pretty fire

[quiet ruin]

Hours

[brisk venture]

depends

[sand stump]

Like, it dependso n what ending you want

[quiet ruin]

Roughly

[quiet ruin]

Oh

How long did it take u to finish

[brisk venture]

just getting an ending? You can do it under 4 hours. 112% completion? You'll need roughly 25 hours

[quiet ruin]

Oh k

[wraith trellis]

Brother

[sand stump]

I van get all endings 112% in like 100 hours
But thats also cuz I love dillydallying

[wraith trellis]

Nobody doing that shi on their first play through

[quiet ruin]

Oh k

[wraith trellis]

It's like 60 hours atleast for exploring everything

[brisk venture]

they asked how long it takes to beat hollow knight

[quiet ruin]

Oh….

[wraith trellis]

Generally speaking

Not optimally

[quiet ruin]

K

[sand stump]

Plus its not like its just mindless walking, it is pretty fun even when going through

[quiet ruin]

Every indie game i play or hollow knight i keep stuggling on the controlls

[wraith trellis]

Yes

[quiet ruin]

Like the key binds

[wraith trellis]

What do u play on?

[quiet ruin]

Keyboard

N mouse

[sand stump]

Just switch them

[quiet ruin]

For 1yr

[wraith trellis]

Play on a controller

[quiet ruin]

I did but they are weird

[wraith trellis]

Huh

[quiet ruin]

Dont have kne

One

[wraith trellis]

If you're used to keyboard then what's wrong

[sand stump]

I'm lowkey worse on a controller than keyboard now 😭

[brisk venture]

my first playthrough vs me currently replaying the game lol

[quiet ruin]

Like there are so many things i have to click

Like wasd v attack etc

[sand stump]

WASD for movement
Left Click for Attack
Right Click for Dreamnail
and then like button 4 for Spell and button 5 for heal

thats a fairly good set

[brisk venture]

i also play on a keyboard

[brisk venture]

man

i use purely keyboard lol, i dont play with mouse

[quiet ruin]

The thing is i got a lot of indie games to play like undertale cup head hollow knight deltrarun pizza tower the binding of issac efc

And i got them all yesterday

[sand stump]

Respect, but I will never do that

[wraith trellis]

Dam

[quiet ruin]

Etc

[agile bough]

You should also get hyper light drifter trust

[brisk venture]

Mine is wasd movement, X to attack, R for dreamnail, V for focus/spells, G for super dash

I for inventory

[quiet ruin]

I got that

[agile bough]

Wait this is lore channel

[brisk venture]

oh shit

[quiet ruin]

Ye

[brisk venture]

uh uhm

the abyss

lets get back to that

kinda insane how

the radience managed to infect even the shadow creepers

like literal creatures born in the abyss are infected

[karmic bough]

please work bruv

[bleak loom]

i thought they just hate the player

[abstract viper]

nearly everything hate the player

[bleak loom]

aw

[abstract viper]

ikr

[keen topaz]

😭

[loud crater]

Nearly everything is infected.

[mental dagger]

why's the void seemingly the counter to pale beings

[old orchid]

Hey I have a friend who just started the game, and one of the first question is "why is the black thing attacking me ?" buuuut I dunno ? Why do the shades attacks us ? 🤔 Like I know it's linked to regret and things like that, but the knight should not have that since he's hollow

[stable raptor]

infected yeah but not hostile

all they do is move