hk-lore

[indigo venture]

To not make it confusing

[sand stump]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[candid basin]

Void given fart

[sand stump]

There

[indigo venture]

Just never Shade Lord

[sand stump]

I swear shade lord is canon 😭

Or is that Lord of Shades?

Ah

[rugged comet]

Dream Nail: The Abyss - Shade Beast - "...Lord of Shades..."

...Lord of Shades...

@grimpooper23 used /dream-nail area: The Abyss name: Shade Beast - "...Lord of Shades..."

[indigo venture]

Grimpooper lets get you to bed

[sand stump]

Lord of Shades

[candid basin]

shade lord

void lord

doesnt matter

[sand stump]

They can die to other beings that are VGForm, the Void itself can't kill them

The Tendrils technically could kill a Vessel

[candid basin]

how

[sand stump]

but it is extremely unlikely

[candid basin]

they can definitely kill eachother

theres also the fact that they may be "absorbed" into the void

added to the conglomerate

[sand stump]

that is literally literally what I just said

The Void is the Liquid
Void Given Form are the Tendrils

the Vessels are also Void Given Form

[candid basin]

so

whats the difference exactly?

like how does this matter

the void given form killed the pale king

[sand stump]

You are saying the Void

[candid basin]

there

[sand stump]

I'm not even gonna argue

Ignore the "it" I pressed enter too soon

[candid basin]

🗣️ "it"

[hot lily]

...no???

[candid basin]

alright time for actually palying sk/hk now

[sand stump]

Actually, elaborate

[candid basin]

still on pantheon 2/3

[sand stump]

2/5

[candid basin]

oh yeah

I need to go kill galleon or whatever

[sand stump]

ya, I lowkey struggled with him more than markoth 😭

[signal marlin]

[candid basin]

markoth was lowkey a struggle

the essence collection shit was bullshit imo

[sand stump]

G'day

[candid basin]

is glaze banned here

ok good

Theory B is just saying that the void managed to escape its bounds temporarily before killing the kingmould that contians the white castle (the one WE dreamnail to access the dream white castle) before entering and killing the pale king

[pure inlet]

As to theory A there’s a reason why the Kingsmoulds are dripping with void

The imprint that coalesced them likely deactivated

The ones we fight have “Defend” and “Kill” but those might have had “Protect” or something pertaining to to PK still being alive

And the void particles are coming from their corpses

In a similar way the Kingsmould guarding the palace would deactivate when the palace was no longer there

The void we see on Kingsmoulds is their own

[candid basin]

I think team cherry did not want us to analyze ts that deeply

the void killed the pale king, evidence of which is shown by the void particles in the room, and the entire room being darkened.

IMO its simple as that

[indigo venture]

You still believe Void killed PK?

[forest hearth]

was there some huge revelation on this topic? i always thought void killed pk is there any other explanation

[indigo venture]

Not really, death still as ambigous as it has always been

[forest hearth]

fair honestly

[indigo venture]

I just personally dont see how itd be possible for it to be void

So it just surprised me a bit that they fully believe it

[forest hearth]

in hindsight i dont think void particles were really ever confirmed to be dangerous

unless im forgetting something

[indigo venture]

Void is dangerous, Void particles are void

The connection is there

I just dont really think theyd be able to affect beings that are not in the weaker side of the world, let alone someone as powerful as PK

[candid basin]

yes

I doubt we'll ever actually find out tho

[pure inlet]

That’s very good evidence that void is in the room

The fact that he doesn’t have the one surefire indicator of void death is pretty telling though

If TC is telling us not to analyze his death super hard as you say

Occam’s razor applies

[candid basin]

well when you kill a kingsmould in game

they dont just fall to the ground and grow void tendrils

[pure inlet]

Yeah

Because you break their armor and destroy the imprint aggressively

[candid basin]

what do you suggest killed them

and the pale king

[pure inlet]

The Kingsmoulds?

Their imprints deactivated after their duties were fulfilled

PK likely wasted away in grief/let himself die

[candid basin]

so you're telling me he went through the effort of moving his entire white palace into someone's dream just to go and waste away

[candid basin]

then why are a few of them still alive?

[pure inlet]

Different imprints

[hot lily]

yes, because he gave up after trying everything he could think of and still failed

[pure inlet]

Defend and Kill aren’t really things that stop

You can always defend and kill while there’s something to defend

[candid basin]

defend what is the question: the kingsoul?

or the king?

[pure inlet]

Well for the one out front probably the palace

Which explains why there’s a deactivated one in the real world and an activated one in the dream

[candid basin]

what abou the ones in the path of pain?

[hot lily]

they didn't physically exist because PoP was never a physical place

[candid basin]

they'realive to defend the memory?

[hot lily]

yes

[candid basin]

so your theory is that the white palace is meant to effectively be a mausoleom of sorts?

[sand stump]

whatsd the topic?

[candid basin]

same one as before

was the king killed by the void

[sand stump]

https://tenor.com/view/man-standing-gif-20655812

But he wasn't

[pure inlet]

Probably not on purpose

He may have fled out of impulse or just to be safe and alone with his thoughts

And then sunk into his sadness

[candid basin]

im still sticking with the void theory for now

lets see what comes upo

[reef compass]

when you give elderbug the everbloom he can say "This flower you gave me... when dark thoughts creep into my head I gave at it and think of you." this could hint that void comes from bugs emotions, and the everbloom is displacing the void in elderbug's mind making him happy again

[timber snow]

void is from regrets ong

[split compass]

uh-oh

PK died from regret

Void is made from regret

therefore

[timber snow]

PK killed himself

[manic swan]

suinsecticide

[manic swan]

It's also possible PK died from malnourishment, as the ubereats people could not get past all the death traps

[hot lily]

he likely didn't need to eat

[split compass]

and ubereats people can't be deterred that easily, they're professionals

[manic swan]

sound reasoning, to be fair

[split compass]

my preferred view was always that PK just sort've withered away in despair
like, when a god gets depressed, that can just happen - their power turns inwards and they snuff themselves

I'm open to the idea that, in his despair, PK might have allowed the Void to punch his ticket, basically using what was in his throne room kingsmoulds as a suicide weapon

but I think that's an unnecessary complication - the moulds could just have broken with his death and leaked the Void you see in the throne

I don't go for theories about the Void actively invading WP from outside and seeking him out, because without some immediate and present unifying element the Void doesn't really do that sort of thing

[pure inlet]

Would it be confirmation bias to say void doesn’t appear in dreams unless brought there by someone powerful and specifically intending for it to be so

In the two instances where it happens that’s what it is

[split compass]

that could depend on the scale
the lighthouse retainer mentions a call from the sea, which sounds like Void invading their thoughts
something similar might have happened in the Love Key Bug/Collector thing

[pure inlet]

Man who knows what that is

“Turn it off”

Void just does everything once and then it becomes an inherent quality

[candid basin]

thats because we dont know that much about the void funnily enough

[whole arrow]

how did some of the vessels get out of the abyss if PK closed off the entrance

is that an impossible question to answer😔

[still gulch]

But the white palace as a whole is a physical place that exists in dreamworld which is a metaphysical realm. Hence the deaths count as real ones. Same goes to Radiance fight as well. The dreamers who die in dream world also vanish in real world.

I don't think PoP wouldn't be real construct either since all 3 rooms in wp are full of buzzsaws

And there is a lore tablet at the beginning of the path

[whole arrow]

I think that the white palace is PK’s custom world where it exist in dream realm. Dreams are different than dream realm because dream realm is a place above physical worlds and dreams are just… Thoughts of a bug when they sleep i think

[pine karma]

me when I contain a metapyschical god within my brain tissue:

[whole arrow]

lmfao

theory - are the bugs racist to radiance?

they hate the color orange and supports normal skin

[pine karma]

BAHAHAHAHA

[whole arrow]

i think that pale king legally created racism to the radiance

[pine karma]

Also, Pale King has to be sleeping somewhere in Hallownest for White Palace to be real, because it's in the dream realm.

[whole arrow]

why would the bugs switch from radiance to PK?

[pine karma]

obviously

[whole arrow]

because PK’S WHITE

[pine karma]

nah he just used a lil wee bit of mind control

(not canon)

[whole arrow]

theory - is the radiance dr*gs?

[lusty rose]

Void civilization to radiance because radiance is white
Radiance to pk because pk is white and a man

[pine karma]

as yes is the radiance drugs

what is this, a DELTARUNE theory

[whole arrow]

damn, thought my theory was a BIG SHOT

[pine karma]

RADIANCE IN THE LIGHT WORLD IS DRUGS OMG

no

Also, couldn't PK be infected???

[whole arrow]

he could

but the buzzsaws

👍

[pine karma]

He is literally constantly sleeping

because

Y'KNOW WHITE PALACE

[whole arrow]

hes dead.

[pine karma]

Radiance just gets shredded by buzzsaws

[pine karma]

peaceful death while dreaming

Does Radiance just..NOT CHOOSE TO INFECT PK???

[whole arrow]

thats not dreaming

thats his last words

[pine karma]

what the fuck is white palace

I don't know anymore

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1474542406362726565/1475317996573691965/caption.gif

[whole arrow]

In a scrapped dialougue PK has said “False one, you cannot reach me here.”

but team cherry decided for PK to be more reflective on his actions

not that team cherry thought its wrong

[pine karma]

so in sort could PK be infected

[whole arrow]

yes he can but hes built different

[lusty rose]

No because pk is a higher being

[whole arrow]

oh

[lusty rose]

Also no evidence of it

[whole arrow]

so higher beings cant be infected!

[pine karma]

how the fuck

Does that shit work

[whole arrow]

makes sense

unn is a higher being in green path yet wasnt infected

[pine karma]

Speaking of the Infection...

How the fuck

Does that shit

Work???

Biologically HOW

[whole arrow]

im pretty sure 95% of enemies are literally infected in greenpath

but unn is just

[whole arrow]

zombie infection

[pine karma]

What...Is the infection anymore? How in Biology DOES THAT SHIT WORK

Is it a neruax worm?

[whole arrow]

its like you heat gas into a meta state of solid and liquid ( like jelly )

[pine karma]

I know it's metapyschical but just HOW

[whole arrow]

and there

you get infection

now if anyone pops it the gass leaks

[pine karma]

murder this guy

The infection doesn't spread.. Psychically..........

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-spongebob-meme-gif-17613811440277416373

kill me

god damnit my TV is trying to hypnotize me again

what if the infection is just controlled by a plague inc game with a custom disease type with no randomness and it's just chosen by the player on a tv screen in the dream realm lol @whole arrow

lol

[forest hearth]

magic

[whole arrow]

wait

what

watch my language?

what did i say

[twin kiln]

Did the pale king have game

[timber void]

You get sick in your dream, then get sick irl, but id guess youd know better than us

[timber void]

Bro pulled a gargantuan tree wife. Bro had game

[lusty rose]

She was normal size at the time tho

[timber void]

Bro pulled a shapeshifting tree wife. Bro had game.

[lusty rose]

Well not shape shifting, I'd say she just got fat (or grew, as trees tend to do)

[timber void]

Theres information that tells us she does it on purpose

She has a lot of variety in her all the forms we see of her

[lusty rose]

What forms other than nursery imprint and in modern day do we see?

[whole arrow]

theory - hollow knight grew in size because hes part tree

[timber void]

We see her in the cacoon, in godhome, and in ||silksong||, where she varies in size.

[lusty rose]

Yeah the nursery one is way too small compared to the others

[timber void]

So? She can literally change size, so i dont think it matters all that much

[lusty rose]

Does that mean she could easily escape the chains she has on

By just changing size

[split compass]

I believe that this is so
https://atwotonedbird.tumblr.com/post/806265281339113472/how-to-grow-your-vessel

(This little bird wants to carry you across)

How to grow your vessel

-# #Hollow knight #silksong #the knight #the hollow knight #hornet #hk little ghost #hk ghost #hk hornet #pure vessel #op #my art

Tumblr · Jan 20, 2026, 1:08 PM

[whole arrow]

lol

WHO WINS?
The prime version of the absolute radiance, infecting hallownest and its nearby innocent citizens. A god of its own realm and one a higher being couldn’t even escape from!

OR!

a baldur shell charm.

this is pretty obvious for me

[timber void]

Probably, unless it is some magic seals that keep her there, but i dont see why she wants to

[torpid dagger]

Hi

[timber void]

Hi

[signal marlin]

radiance

[gritty path]

she has a seal of binding on her

it only appears when you use spells iirc

[timber void]

I remember but i think thats probably for protection. Her bindings seem physical. But im open to the idea that the seal is what keeps her there

[gritty path]

theres a theory that the seal is what keeps her from changing size to escape

[timber void]

I personally doubt it, but i can understand where its coming from

[magic ibex]

The pale king did nothing wrong

[digital ibex]

No mind to think?

[magic ibex]

[timber void]

He did sone morally questionable stuff, but he is ultimately the good guy in the situation

[magic ibex]

I’m glad there are still true hallownest patriots around

[orchid ermine]

is this lore accurate

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hornet-nuu-gif-16205748452465779893

[floral mist]

https://tenor.com/view/image-perms-no-image-perms-image-perms-flex-gif-23244245

[wheat warren]

If everybody in Hallownest dies no one can remember the Radiance

So any kingdom-destroying force can defeat the Radiance

[whole arrow]

wrong

[signal marlin]

it isnt

[whole arrow]

gameplay wise

baldur charm wins

[signal marlin]

which doesnt matter

[whole arrow]

with enough skill

[whole arrow]

why didn’t the knight get infected in the entire process of becoming the hollow knight

before the knight became infected of course

[floral mist]

Cus hollow

[whole arrow]

thats bs

[floral mist]

It's not

[whole arrow]

no im saying thats you

bs is your name

[floral mist]

The hollow knight also would've been immune to the radiance if he was neglected

[floral mist]

Ok

[dawn musk]

Me when beens

[loud crater]

From my understanding Vessels can’t really get infected by normal means. Broken Vessel’s corpse was puppeted by light seeds and THK is only really infected because they have the fucking Radiance in their head.

[loud crater]

No, not you when beans.

[dawn musk]

Was dung defender infected

[loud crater]

No.

[marble birch]

The Defender was not Infected, as you can see he has white eyes, not orange. He just challenges The Knight due to mistaking it for a Husk.

[dawn musk]

So he was not neglected

[safe prairie]

btw if you hit an enemy and they emit white particles instead of orange, they're not infected
this is true for many uninfected enemies like grimm and dung/white defender and infected enemies like uumuu, false knight, and all of the infected husks

of course i could name many more but i'm too lazy to check

[hot lily]

iirc there's a counterexample to this

False Knight doesn't count because you're hitting the armor

Uumuu is already dead

[safe prairie]

the maggot inside false knight counts

[safe prairie]

so are all the infected husks

[fossil ferry]

How do you guys inerpret Uumuu's dream nail dialogue?

I personally see it as the Radiance blinding Uummuu and convincing them that they can "free" Monomon.

[ebon sparrow]

I still wonder why only Hornet and the Knight can use benches to respawn

And what do the enemies feel like when the person they kill keeps coming back again and again

[old sentinel]

It's not technically canon that they respawn, and a theory that I like is that they inherited PK's wyrm foresight and that's why it looks like they're walking up when they respawn

[indigo venture]

I just assume respawn isnt canon

[ebon sparrow]

Then how do u explain the shade thingy that the knight leaves behind

[indigo venture]

Gameplay

[indigo venture]

The only thing I see wrong with Foresight theory is that events they do BEFORE they die remain, Stag moving from stations for example

[ebon sparrow]

And it's also not like that other characters cannot see the shade thingy cuz the collector traps ur shade if u die fighting him

[indigo venture]

Cool gameplay thing

[ebon sparrow]

Ye

[indigo venture]

The thing about "Respawn theory" is that it doesnt really make good sense when put to analyze

Why can TKs shell operate without shade? Why does it gain a new shade if it dies again shadeless?

[old sentinel]

Maybe enemies see you as different people but NPCs just see you as the same person? Like some sort of seal?

[indigo venture]

Seems like a stretch

imo

[old sentinel]

Ik I'm just pulling stuff out of where the sun don't shine at this point lmao

Otherwise Steel Soul is the canon version

Which is likely apart from the exclusive characters but whatever, they can be here too

[indigo venture]

Not like it really changes anything

Tuk is just dead I guess

[loud crater]

Normal soul is also canon TK just doesn’t die.

[old sentinel]

Both are probably equally canon, at least when it comes to the extra characters in steel soul

[indigo venture]

Steel Soul Jinn is very important

[cinder egret]

Guys u know how some siblings(the shades) got out of the abyss and shortly died later, then how tf did zote survive?

[hot lily]

Shades are canon, respawning is not

[loud crater]

Zote isn’t a vessel.

[ebon sparrow]

Oooooooooooo

[cinder egret]

Then was he one of the pale king's creations?

[loud crater]

No.

[cinder egret]

Huh

That's new

[loud crater]

He’s a common bug.

[ebon sparrow]

I think he was just a random bug

[cinder egret]

Probably

[hot lily]

no, he's not from the kingdom or region

[autumn dome]

I was thinking something though it is a bit of a stretch

That maybe the distinction of Pale Beings within Higher Beings stands for Higher Beings who bring some sort of enhanced progress/development/improvement on bugs

[indigo venture]

PK did that

[autumn dome]

Yeah that's why im saying

What im saying

Maybe non-pale higher beings are more like Unn, who brought green throughout pre-Hallownest

[hybrid whale]

Pale king did nothing wrong

[indigo venture]

ye

[pulsar forum]

Great leader but terrible plan to address the infection

[marble birch]

I mean it was the only plan he saw that might work. It was all he had left.

[indigo venture]

Foresight

[marble birch]

Gotta remember the guy had Precognition. He likely foresaw countless possible ends to the Infection, but they all ended in failure. The Pure Vessel plan was the only thing he likely saw with even a remote possibility of succeeding.

[indigo venture]

Maybe

[marble birch]

Since the Void is an old enemy of Radiance’s and the one power that is her better.

[blissful crest]

Conceptually not a bad plan

void to isolate her in the dream expanse and an empty being that cannot be swayed

[indigo venture]

It was a heartless plan

[astral stump]

I'm behind this all btw

[safe prairie]

i don't think he was aware THK had emotions

[autumn dome]

I doubt he sacrificed hundreds of his own children, and didn't feel anything about it, it's clear that however he felt, by the end, his own ideals rang hollow

[indigo venture]

Giving any credit to TKs sucess (In 2 endings) to PK is a stretch imo

[timber void]

It was desperation. I doubt he could've used any other bugs than his own children, otherwise their shells wouldn't have been strong enough

[indigo venture]

Yes PK did indeed make TK exist I guess

[timber void]

I said somewhere here today. Pale king did some questionable stuff, but he is ultimately the good guy in the situation

Yeah

[broken snow]

the only problem was that the hollow knight was well
not truly hollow

[signal marlin]

thats not necessarily a problem for the conceptual strength of the plan

[broken snow]

I'm saying that's why it didn't work

[signal marlin]

joker is just saying that the concept of the plan isnt bad - we know it didnt work, the discussion is if the premise itself is good or not

although i would say it is not conceptually strong

[forest hearth]

the plan was flawed because vessels couldnt be hollow

pk’s whole thing was that he fell to his hubris

[signal marlin]

yes, and as a result the plan is at best rationally strong, not conceptually

[pure inlet]

I think PK had the right scientific idea

Imprints allow void to be locked in place

If you could lock void in place with the blank mind of a fetus you’d have a clean slate

Instead you got infinite growth potential 💔

[neat kite]

he was very close but essence imprints the mind and soul imprints will

[pure inlet]

Wdym

I feel like there’s not a strong distinction because of how closely related essence and soul are

[hybrid whale]

It was a good plan, but he should've anticipated the hollow knight developing feelings for him

[loud crater]

That’s not why it failed.

Also how would he have anticipated it?

[split compass]

you know what happens when you assume

[topaz lichen]

does the pale king not have foresight?

or supposedly

[loud crater]

Yes. But that’s not how it works.

[topaz lichen]

explain

[loud crater]

He can see the future(to some extent), not read minds and see emotions.

[topaz lichen]

oh, your talking bout the hk having feelings for him, yes that he couldnt predict but id assume he knew that the infection would come some how

[loud crater]

Before or after he started the vessel project?

[topaz lichen]

after

[split compass]

there must be limits to his foresight, otherwise he probably would've built Hallownest somewhere else in the first place

somewhere without an angry moth god

would've saved everyone a lot of trouble

[topaz lichen]

he would have to know the infection would seep out somehow

hm

[split compass]

the failure of THK may have been outside the limit of his sight

[topaz lichen]

fair point

[split compass]

it worked for a while before failing

[topaz lichen]

his foresight we know very little about so that does sound plausable

[split compass]

the big shroom in the fungal core says "Pale Wyrm, what good to foresaw an unavoidable doom?"
basically, you might see a death coming, but if you can't do anything to change it then it'll get you no matter what

[topaz lichen]

that makes sense

[tardy steppe]

Is zote a vessel?

[loud crater]

No.

[topaz lichen]

i had assumed the pale king knew of the collapse of his kindom

no

he is the goat tho

cough anyway

[split compass]

gote

[topaz lichen]

fr

[timber void]

If zotes a vessel, im king of mars

[desert nebula]

No

[loud crater]

At some point he likely saw it before it actually happened.

[tardy steppe]

Is zote greyroot child

[desert nebula]

Maybe

[split compass]

it's an honor, King Abraham Lincoln

[timber void]

No

[desert nebula]

No silksong lore here I think

[loud crater]

[topaz lichen]

we dont know

[timber void]

This guy here knows ball

[loud crater]

[split compass]

I'm against any theory that has Zote be anything important or interesting

[tardy steppe]

Where then

[desert nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/brazilian-luffy-dance-gif-14601096355637687758

[topaz lichen]

gng

[loud crater]

#sk-lore

[topaz lichen]

wtf is this

[desert nebula]

Only place zote would be strong is dream realm

[desert nebula]

Idk I stole it

[topaz lichen]

ok..

[loud crater]

[topaz lichen]

zote could def solo godhome

[loud crater]

In his dream maybe.

[desert nebula]

Im convinced shade lord is not lord of void but lord of the shades (shocking I know)

What I mean by that is shadelord controls the siblings

[loud crater]

It controls the Void.

[timber void]

Zote couldn't solo a tiktik

[split compass]

they render the void tendrils passive too

it's all Void

[rugged comet]

Charm: Void Heart

An emptiness that was hidden within, now unconstrained. Unifies the void under the bearer's will.

This charm is a part of its bearer and can not be unequipped.

@lexmolten used /charms category: L-W charm: Void Heart

[loud crater]

Unifies the Void under the bearer’s will.

[desert nebula]

But (silksong reference I have to make a point) ||the knight has to slash away the tendrils instead of just stopping them||

[desert nebula]

In cutscene

[split compass]

you can refer to silksong but you gotta spoiler that shit

huge spoiler

[desert nebula]

Just realized my bad

[split compass]

but yeah, we don't know what's up with that (bad writing maybe)

[desert nebula]

Could just be for coolness

[loud crater]

Yes but ||afterwards the Void starts behaving.||

[desert nebula]

Maybe that’s why

The knight is like an abusive parent

[split compass]

would have been cooler ||if the tendrils just stopped cold right before hitting Hornet, and then backed away shivering in terror||

[loud crater]

Gets it from its father(joke)

[desert nebula]

With the eyes of the knight slowly fading in

[desert nebula]

lol

[loud crater]

TK has a habit smacking things tho.

[desert nebula]

Like their brother

[loud crater]

Or the Radiance.

[desert nebula]

I don’t think Grimmchild is gonna be the troupe master

We see a swarm of Grimm children in the poster art of the dlc

Perhaps they look for kingdoms on their own

[loud crater]

Those ones are the smaller form iirc. Only our Grimmchild gets the scarlet flame and ya know the Nightmare Heart.

[desert nebula]

They looked at least half grown to me

Maybe ours is special cause they grt more flame

More fat for the child

[hot lily]

what's the topic

[loud crater]

Even if so, there’s only one Nightmare Heart, which our Grimmchild gets(this assumes there even are more than one Grimmchild).(which there might not be btw)

[desert nebula]

Just scroll up a bit

[hot lily]

||yeah that's a potential inconsistency/contradiction||

[desert nebula]

They don’t get the heart they just get some special nightmare heart juice

[desert nebula]

Prob

[rugged comet]

Charm: Grimmchild Completed

Symbol of a completed ritual.

Contains a living, scarlet flame.

@lexmolten used /charms category: B-K charm: Grimmchild Completed

[desert nebula]

Oh

[loud crater]

Hm, a living scarlet flame.

[hot lily]

yep

[loud crater]

I wonder what it could be…

[hot lily]

it's a living scarlet flame because it's an essence construct

[desert nebula]

I wonder why Grimmchild is a charm them

[loud crater]

Which it’s containing. Which could really only be the Nightmare Heart.

[loud crater]

Probably ritual/game convenience.

[desert nebula]

Salubra states charms are a dead bugs dying wish

[loud crater]

Some are that.

Others are manufactured.

Some are plucked from dreams like Dream Wielder.

[desert nebula]

It would make sense if grimmchild didn’t get to stay with us though

[loud crater]

It’s possible that the Grimmchild charm we get is just a way to call Grimmchild to us, since it’s a symbol of a completed ritual.

Grimmchild actually spends most of its time with the Grimm troupe perchance.

[desert nebula]

Maybe, what would happen if the grimmchild turn out to be the troupe master

Portable troupe master?

[loud crater]

Chances are he’ll stop appearing when the charm issued.

On second thought portable troupe master is pretty dope.

[desert nebula]

Maybe that’s what those scavenger bugs take with them, once they find the kingdom they call for the troupe master and the whole troupe comes with him

[loud crater]

The ones that set up the lantern thing?

Those just set up lanterns, not bringing a charm with them.

[desert nebula]

The lantern could just be a bigger version of such charms

Idk

Charms are weird

[loud crater]

Woe, magic circle pendant be upon thee.

[desert nebula]

That for some reason makes you give birth

[loud crater]

Fuck you, your organs are blue now.

[desert nebula]

Fuck you, your nail is heavy

The charm adds tungsten to the nail prob

[timber void]

Tungsten ballsack?

[loud crater]

Lead perchance?

[timber void]

Testicular tortion

[indigo venture]

What

[topaz lichen]

im sorry to hear that

[loud crater]

Power word scrunch.

[indigo venture]

Horf what are your thoughts on testicular tortion

[loud crater]

Not fun

Wouldn’t recommend really.

[topaz lichen]

never tried the product

[indigo venture]

[indigo venture]

Dont do so

Trust me

[topaz lichen]

what do you rate it

out of 5 stars

[loud crater]

1/5, rather get the flu again.

[topaz lichen]

oh

its that bad

wow

ig im not trying that

what about testicular cancer

it looks pretty good

[loud crater]

Eh, it’s still pretty bad.

[topaz lichen]

oh

hm

reccomend me a good product

[indigo venture]

Can we talk lore now

[topaz lichen]

yes

we can

[loud crater]

Early male pattern baldness.

[topaz lichen]

ooo

[indigo venture]

Horf

[topaz lichen]

anyway

lore

[loud crater]

Do people still think PK was a bad king?

[loud crater]

Yes?

[indigo venture]

who cares

[topaz lichen]

better than pharloom

[loud crater]

I do.

[indigo venture]

Lets talk monarchflies

[indigo venture]

Dont

[topaz lichen]

he had public transport that was safe

didnt have a horrid economy

[loud crater]

Dude I’m a vessel, that’s literally my dad.

[timber void]

I live in Hallownest, i can say Pale King is tight

[topaz lichen]

i lowkey was the 6th knight trust

[indigo venture]

Horf you roleplay?

Wow

[loud crater]

Jokingly sometimes.

[indigo venture]

Do better

[loud crater]

Vessel nosies

[indigo venture]

Your supposed to be nonchalant and serious and shit

[topaz lichen]

non vessel noises

im tight with hegemol trust bro

whered everyone go

[loud crater]

Terraria.

[topaz lichen]

gr i wish i had nitro

[timber void]

Nitro users flexing the most goofiest stickers imaginable on the lessers

[slender kite]

Nitro Flexers Blinding me at 4:38 AM on a Saturday because I decided to open up their profile:

[desert nebula]

Why is there so much lifeblood in Galiens room when you fight him in hog

I always thought that was how the room always looked but I checked and there’s no lifeblood to be found

[desert nebula]

No

Pale king is goated

We need a prequel game cause of how goated the pale king is

[split compass]

there's a big lifeblood cocoon above Galien's chamber in Deepnest, probably an allusion to that

(I wonder if lifeblood grows and proliferates more in dream realms?)

[atomic fossil]

I have a question about lore!

Is their any proof of the masks, the heads the playable characters have, being intricately detailed like how the mask shards, pure nail, and soul vessels look

[split compass]

it's hard to tell from the artstyle, but when you gather all of the mask shards you get an entry for a complete mask, described as an 'ancient mask' and they are intricately carved

so I say 'yes'

(even for 'natural' masks like Hornet's)

[atomic fossil]

(wheres it say hornets is natural? could hollownests mask maker not have made it?)

[split compass]

maybe, actually
||we see her as a smol babby in SS and she has her mask||

we are told by the makers that not everyone has a face and so their work is required, which entails that some people have natural faces

I just like the idea that there's no real distinction between natural faces and artificial masks - they're all 'faces/masks'

[atomic fossil]

eh, yeah but if a creature is naturally born maskless they could have commissioned one to be added directly after birth, not necessarily likely but still possible

[split compass]

I do like the idea that pretty much everything is wearing a mask and they are all made by mask makers

logistics be damned

[atomic fossil]

right? otherwise why bro be working so hard. take a break there cant be that many born maskless

[hot lily]

not all faces are masks, it depends on the species

[atomic fossil]

i agree. i was agreeing with them that i like the idea its true. not saying it was

[split compass]

who's giving masks to the maskflies (and why?)

[atomic fossil]

for good reasons

now these guys. they need a different mask, whatever one they got must be defective

[atomic fossil]

so... this is interesting. in silksong ||mask maker says "A fine face, yours. Not of my work. Not of this kingdom's craft. Not now at least.
But the deeper form. Distant relationship. Some form of Pharloom and our old, legged, stewards."|| this can be interpretted in a couple ways. "natural" masks are crafted, the same way a human mother crafts a childs face in the womb, or that hollownests map maker crafted it.

the later part makes it seem like ||mask maker|| is saying that the mask is of weaver make

[split compass]

yeah, this is part of what makes me think these bugs don't draw much distinction between natural and artificial faces/masks
the relation to Weavers is part of Hornet's natural face/mask, inherited from Herrah
its like MM perceives the genetic traits of the Weavers, but expresses it in terms of mask-crafting

whether by womb or claw, it's all mask making

[atomic fossil]

yeah, i agree. i still think natual has some good merit here. while not specified explicitly. i do love how the masks seem to work. from how i interpret it, mask makers and anyone else learned in the craft can read your whole life story, just from looking at you. its a book that writes itself by your actions

[west cobalt]

Who knows why || THK stabs himself mid-fight?||

[hushed hearth]

They're helping the knight to seal the infection

[west cobalt]

Oh.

So the infection is the thing that is fighting, and not THK?

[split compass]

the infection compels THK to obey the will of the Radiance, who is trapped inside them - that's why they are violent towards TK
but they aren't completely under her command, and they still struggle to resist her
when they can resist for a brief moment they attack themselves, possibly in some deluded effort to strike at the Radiance within them

[west cobalt]

Ohhh, that’s why we have a chance at killing her by having dreamnail and hornet?

[split compass]

dream nail lets you go inside THK to fight Radiance
THK wants Radiance to be defeated

[west cobalt]

Does THK live after killing Radiance?

[hot lily]

depends on the ending

[west cobalt]

I’ve been trying to kill her forever 😭

[hot lily]

in 2 of them, no
in 1 of them, yes

[split compass]

if you haven't killed her yet, you should do that first and find out

[west cobalt]

M’kay.

[split compass]

then return for further lore!

we believe in you

[west cobalt]

I’m gonna return after 2 years bro.

[split compass]

silksong DLC might be out by then, maybe!

[west cobalt]

Ts is hard 😭

[west cobalt]

I don’t have gamepass ultimate ;-;

[twin kiln]

Why won’t zote shut the frick up

[ashen tree]

Don't..... Need it?

[orchid ermine]

your right that was my reaction

[marble gorge]

Is the Hunter able to access the dream realm? Because in the Entombed Husk journal entry he says "Inside these shambling corpses is a bright light that pierces any darkness. I peered inside that light once and saw... something within it shining back. Something terrible.". Is he able to access the dream realm to some extent, or is Radiance visible to anyone who looks into the light

[sand stump]

No he can't, this just tells us the radiance is visible from infected people if you look deep into them

And if they are infected enough

[marble gorge]

That's so cool

[tawdry cobalt]

It's a faker

I'm not nosk YOU'RE NOSK

Well nosk couldn't do this could he

HES NOSK I KNEW IT

he shown his true colors

Or colours

But there is only one vessel with the unique horns of mine

And that'd me

Yeah well I'm older

I think

Wait how old is the Knight?

I guess it'd be as old as the hollow knight?

[loud crater]

Yeah just about.

[tawdry cobalt]

Because they were definitely around the same time so that means that the knight is just always shorter than every other vessel

No matter age

I've been nerfed to be short

[loud crater]

Not every other vessel. TK probably just got unlucky with being short. Some are definitely shorter than TK.

[tawdry cobalt]

Doesn't the knight technically have a mind to think because he changed the goal he was given..he went from containing the infection to changing it to stop it

[loud crater]

All vessels have minds.

[tawdry cobalt]

No they are intended to have no mind

[loud crater]

No, they aren’t.

[loud crater]

No mind=no place to seal the Radiance in.

[tawdry cobalt]

If it has no mind there's nothing to control which stops the infection from spreading that's what made THK fail

It literally says it at the beginning

The beginning quote

Yeah but at the beginning it says the knight is infact hollow No mind to think, no voice to cry suffering, no cost too great. He gains his mind the moment he gains the void heart

Atleast that's my theory

[keen latch]

was it the hollow knights cry of pain that called the knight out from the wastes or was it radiance?

[tawdry cobalt]

I feel like it's unlikely to include the wastes as a essential part of the lore just yet cause we don't really know much about it.

[loud crater]

The Radiance, a dream Higher Being in the dream realm, needs to be sealed within a mind.

Without a mind there isn’t anywhere to seal it.

[loud crater]

That’s not it. It’s Elegy to Hallownest. You’re thinking of the Abyss Climb.

[tawdry cobalt]

Shhhh I'm theorising

[loud crater]

Yes, and I’m pointing out how if the Vessels didn’t have a mind then they wouldn’t be able to seal the Radiance.

[loud crater]

No.

[tawdry cobalt]

What about the egg

That's not a mind

[loud crater]

No shit the Black Egg isn’t a mind?

[tawdry cobalt]

No it was made to seal the Knight himself

[loud crater]

The Temple of the Black Egg. The place where THK is sealed.

“Purest” isn’t a thing.

It’s a binary thing.

Kinda like being dead.

[tawdry cobalt]

Wait no i was on about the birthplace of the knight in the abyss

Not the black egg I just remembered it's not called that

[loud crater]

For that instance you’re using it like a mirror to dream nail TK.

[desert nebula]

Maybe

[covert brook]

How do the dreamers work

Like is it they sacrifice their physical body so that their dreams seal the black egg

Or what is it

[naive moon]

Its to seal a vessel.

[gleaming basin]

[tiny lake]

yess

[hot lily]

it was made to seal THK however it can seal any Vessel who attempts to contain Radiance

[hot lily]

the Egg doesn't store Radiance

[broken snow]

However it didn't work as THK wasn't ACTUALLY pure

[hot lily]

the temple doesn't react to a vessel's purity or (in reality) lack thereof

[west cobalt]

Does NKG have the same move set as THK but faster??

[west cobalt]

I’ve returned, I beat her at 7:13

[broken snow]

Phrased that badly, I meant the entire radiance inside hollow knight plan, not the temple

[naive moon]

Yeah

[sand stump]

What's the topic?

[indigo venture]

How do the chains in the egg temple work, i think

[sand stump]

Isn't it just like voodoo soul magic?

with ofcourse the Seal of Binding

-# The reason I list them separately is because I'm using the term "voodoo" as a way to say unkown/obscure

[autumn dome]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm I think pretty much ANYTHING you do outside the main markers mission IS the knight having a mind

Because

And I really like the Nosk example

If the knight meets Nosk in the regular world, it takes the shape of TK, yet once you do godhome, by the time you get to Nosk, it takes Hornet’s shape– and you don't need Voidheart to access the Pantheon (?)

[sand stump]

yeah thats right

[tribal bay]

what do u think she would have created them with and if so do u think she created them in a special room hidden in the archives so no one could destroy her finest work

ß

[indigo venture]

I mean they live all around Fog Canyon

[tribal bay]

do you think uumu was made intentionally the way they are or a failed creation in monomon trying to protect fog canyon as she is gone into the dream realm

[pure inlet]

The jellies are likely early experiments with infection

With the added convenience of being walking bombs

Quirrel was already a fairly good safeguard but Monomon pumping Uumuu full of bombs makes sense

[dapper jewel]

Who is nosk

Like where does bro even come from

[pure inlet]

Shapeshifter that can read minds

Who knows

[indigo venture]

What are the larger Uomas

[split compass]

you do need the Void Heart to enter the 5th Pantheon, where Nosk takes Hornet's shape (who knows why, gameplay-wise it's for the absrad fight)
TK and all vessels have minds - PK's line about 'no mind' probably isn't meant to be a literal requirement though
the whole plan was to trap Radiance in a vessel's mind, he wouldn't want a vessel that literally didn't have one
his words are an allusion to some other idea, so vessels showing will and mind etc. isn't a sign that they aren't a pure vessel

[desert nebula]

Well nosk most likely takes that shape because the knight is expecting hornet

[hot lily]

not why, it's because Nosk reads minds

[wheat warren]

Evolutionarily why would a Nosk need wings, it lives in a tunnel system

A lot of tunnels are even lower than WNosk height with wings

[near sequoia]

Its a shapeshifter

The wings are only there when its in an open environment

[autumn dome]

That's like asking who is Bell Crawler from Silksong

[autumn dome]

I mean PK likely needed something more or less alive to shove the radiance, into ig

[split compass]

it needed to have a mind certainly

[patent hazel]

Why did the Pale King choose Herrah to be a Dreamer? I can't imagine Deepnest and Hallownest were in good relations with eachother considering how many Weavers were murdered by the mantis’
Wouldn't it have made sense to choose another citizen of Hallownest like Lurien and Monomon?

[loud crater]

The dreamers were about getting as much protection for THK as possible so the more spread out they were the better. Plus the PK wanted to improve relations with Deepnest. Also I’m not sure any Weaver corpses were seen at Mantis Tribe Deepnest entrance, even then the Mantis Tribe were pretty separate from Hallownest.

[split compass]

We really have no idea what the criteria for being a Dreamer is. Presumably it couldn't be just anybody.
For whatever reason, he wanted Herrah and was willing to pay the cost of having her.

[loud crater]

Hrnt.

[mighty dove]

Yeah idk I think he just wanted it to be people who would be protected in some form

Watcher Knights, the Monomon mask lock, and Deepnest generally being a place no one wants to be

[desert nebula]

Which was in knights mind, you know that’s where thoughts start right?

[hasty notch]

||I would like to know about the five knights of hallownest||

[desert nebula]

Hegemol died to unknown causes, we see his armor being used by the maggot in the false knight and failed champion fight

Ogrim is the dung defender, prob liked Isma and protects her grave. He refuses to believe the knights have fallen

Isma died and became a tree or something, you see her body in ismas grove. Idk much else

[hasty notch]

Alr thx

[desert nebula]

There’s nore

There’s a corpse outside of white ladys room, that’s a knight too (I think drya), they died protecting her. The white lady still thinks she’s alive.

And uh the person who gives you the delicate flower is also a knight I forgot her name

[grizzled wigeon]

Ze’mer

[timber void]

Hegemol got killed in his sleep by a maggot
Isma turned into a clover tree
Ogrim started living in shit
Drya got killed hy mantisis
Zemir got the blues

[hot lily]

we don't know if Hegemol is dead or not @desert nebula

[timber snow]

hegemol is most likely dead

saying we don’t know is disingenuous
hes lacking his armor (if it wasn’t his literal skin) in the middle of a zombie apocalypse

not to mention the logistics of how the maggot got the armor off of he was supposed still alive the whole time

[signal marlin]

its not really disingenuous

especially when its in response to a claim that oversteps the certainty by making it absolute, instead of saying its likely that he died

[marble birch]

I mean even without the armored shell he was still one of the most renowned warriors in all of Hallownest, borderline peerless save for maybe the Nailmasters themselves.

[timber snow]

and hes now missing literally his best defense

and again

[vale oyster]

Didn't tc say that hegemol might not be able to survive with his arkou? Idk the exact statement

[timber snow]

how the hell is a maggot gonna get armor off a giant without waking him up

[timber snow]

it just makes no sense

yes i was there when the ancient text was written

[vale oyster]

Enlighten me on the ancient scriptures

Damn

Can maggots do that

If maggots were capable of all that, then they wouldn't be discriminated against

Zemer dies imo

After her quest

She says something like "che can finally end?"

[rugged comet]

Grey Mourner - General - Listening after having delivered a Flower

Mi'? Le'mer, you have done this thing? Is it possible? This world's cruelty, I'd thought it overwhelming, but le'mer, such great compassion. That Che's love would know her partner's heart even aeon past.
Is it that, Le'mer? Such grief, can end? Che' can end?
Ullll, eh nai dear love. Che' too can end.

@dhruv._19 used /npcs quest name: Grey Mourner category: General dialogue: Listening after having delivered a Flower

[velvet saffron]

Yo, i need a lore dump

All. Of. It.

[heady meadow]

I thought you two were the same person till I looked at the name lmao

Is pale court mod considered canon?

Ah ok then

Honestly

It looks like dryya taught pv or something

[velvet saffron]

What?

[heady meadow]

Ogrim is dung defender, right?

[velvet saffron]

Yes

[heady meadow]

Or white defender

[velvet saffron]

Both

Same person

[heady meadow]

Ik

[velvet saffron]

Defending Isma's corpse

[heady meadow]

Their moves look so similar tho, maybe except for that sword stroke thing that dryya does

Btw

Why does dung defender say doma?

[solar eagle]

im pretty sure pale court is a mod and not canon

[heady meadow]

ITS CANON TO ME OK?

[signal marlin]

no

[solar eagle]

yeah well i think the earth is flat

[heady meadow]

Ok

[solar eagle]

not the point

[heady meadow]

What's the point then?

[solar eagle]

my point is that this is objective, not subjective

the earth is not flat no matter what you say

[heady meadow]

Ok

[quiet oar]

WAIT if the pure vessel was truly hollow why wasnt he used instead of the hollow knight?

[solar eagle]

because the bosses in the pantheons are perfected versions of the og bosses

[signal marlin]

pure vessel is THK and it isnt pure

[quiet oar]

It isnt for 2 reasons first dream nailing it shows nothing cuz of the no mind to think part
2 he doesnt roar like most bosses cuz of the no voice to cry suffering

[signal marlin]

thats really not what PK meant in either of those lines and the first one isnt true

[quiet oar]

I saw the first in a vid

[split compass]

PV is a dream image of THK, a memory of what they were like before Radiance was sealed within them (which is why PV has no 'voice')

they aren't 2 different characters, they're the same character

[signal marlin]

its true that "nothing is shown", although not due to a lack of a mind

[split compass]

also yeah, the dream nail is repelled in both fights

[signal marlin]

not necessarily

[split compass]

the pale king declared that it was his pure vessel
white lady says is was 'tarnished' by an 'idea instilled'
I believe them

[fast pilot]

Shaw Is The Only Lore We Need

[quiet oar]

Hegale

[subtle linden]

ADINO

[timber void]

The hollow knight plan probably would have worked if pale king wasn't such a great dad

[timber void]

Lafanufa needo?

[loud crater]

It wouldn’t have.

[desert nebula]

Well I mean it’s kinda obvious

[supple socket]

been going on the wiki after completing most of hollow knight and i learned that the traitor's child is a woman???? doomed yuri real???

[loud crater]

Yes, doomed Yuri real.

[floral mist]

What?

The what is specifically about the end of that

[supple socket]

doomed yuri yk it's like a trope that wlw couples are always doomed and end in tragedy one way or another

traitor's child is dead and grey mourner has been

mourning

at least until you do her little flower quest

[desert nebula]

lol I looked through the wiki and I learned the infection was like the Black Death at first. It then became the reanimation once Thk broke

[desert nebula]

Isn’t every couple doomed in the end? Nobody is immortal

[floral mist]

Oh

I see

[supple socket]

seriously?? i thought the reanimation part came with it already i need to read more on that

[desert nebula]

And it also has become a sort of trance thing

Idk

[supple socket]

well sure everybody dies no one is excempt to it but it's the tragedy aspect that comes with like a horrible death too soon or they get separated from something out of their control and it's a very common trope with fictional wlw couples earning the term doomed yuri

[desert nebula]

Maybe the infection changed completely once thk showed cracks

[supple socket]

i'd give examples but they're like

[desert nebula]

Oh ok

[supple socket]

major spoilers to other great pieces of media that i would also suggest looking into

(signalis)

[supple socket]

Ahhhhh

wait what's the timeline actually

[desert nebula]

Uh idk lol

[supple socket]

because if reanimation came afterwards what was with the traitor lord then

[loud crater]

The Traitor Mantises never died.

[supple socket]

really? so they're just mad with infection

[loud crater]

They willingly took it in to get stronger.

[supple socket]

ahhhh is that what makes them traitors ????

[loud crater]

Yes.

[desert nebula]

Ye, Im pretty sure the infection has changed completely from a Black Death to some reanimation/possession thing

[supple socket]

man this is crazy i love hollow knight i can now understand why people went crazy waiting 7 years for silksong

[loud crater]

We didn’t get any news on it for years at a time.

[supple socket]

Yeah HAHAHA i'd lose my mind if i had played hollow knight any earlier

now i get the privilege to enjoy silksong directly after (once im not broke and the game goes on sale)

i was only able to play this just recently because a friend gifted it to me last christmas

was hesitant to open it because i've heard of the difficulty that comes with and i'm an insane achievement hunter

only for me to play this game over the last 2 weeks and now i'm losing my mind over the godhome

but man i love this game

love that the lore isn't really shoved down your throat and you can come to the conclusions yourself through environmental storytelling

like i just noticed that the mantis lords had a 4th chair that has since broken because that one belonged to the traitor lord

it's so cool

i love this game

[quiet oar]

Why didnt the radiance do a one shot ko and infect tpk

[coral sapphire]

im just sayin this bc its absolute cinema

Soul of Root

Soul of Wyrm

Heart of Void

No cost too great

No mind to think

No will to break

No voice to cry suffering

Born of God and Void

You shall seal the blinding light that plagues their dreams

You are the Vessel

You

are the Hollow Knight

ngl pk wasnt that bad

i liked him before silksong

[indigo venture]

"Soul of Root
Soul of Wyrm
Heart of Void"
PK did not say ts

[loud crater]

You have to let the Radiance in. It’s why people like the Mantises and Hornet aren’t infected.

[timber void]

Bugs with stronger wills take longer to infect it seems

[sullen goblet]

If the Knight couldn't talk, why didn't he just use sign language, is he stupid?

[autumn dome]

sign language hard to even concieve in a world when not everyone has the hand form

Ill do you one bettet

[sullen goblet]

Use foot language

Do minecraft crouch

[autumn dome]

Knight factually can write

Nothing stopping it from communicating if it wanted to

[sullen goblet]

So why didn't it?

[autumn dome]

Cause its an undead baby most likely

[sullen goblet]

canonically accurate short king

[sand stump]

Whats the topic?

[sullen goblet]

why didnt the knight just use sign language

[loud crater]

Probably isn’t a thing in Hallownest.

[indigo venture]

They dont have fingers

[agile dew]

How does he hold his nail then?

[indigo venture]

I dunno

[agile dew]

Why is their bodies just pitch black

[indigo venture]

Thats just how they look like

[agile dew]

If its just the void, why wear clothes

[indigo venture]

It isnt void

Its just body

[agile dew]

But he is born of void

[indigo venture]

"He"

[agile dew]

It

[indigo venture]

But yeah the body is filled with void (Shade)

But the body itself isnt void

[agile dew]

I see

Wwhat is the knight's gender

[sand stump]

don't got one

[agile dew]

Oh yea, he is heartless

[sand stump]

Well for starters it probably didn't know and for seconds that mightn't be a thing

[sand stump]

Heart has nothing to do with Gender?

It didn't develop anything

[timber void]

Knight doesn't even have fingers bingus 😅

[sullen goblet]

foot language

[agile dew]

No i mean he is emotionless and diesnt have any will other than defeating the radiance

"Hollow knight"

[sullen goblet]

and

if he didnt have fingers

how did he hold the nial

with the little gathering swarm flies?

[agile dew]

His body is sticky

[sullen goblet]

OHH SO THATS WHY HE CAN NEVER TAKE HIS ROBE OFF

[sullen goblet]

thats so smart

[small dawn]

How does godhome works lorewise?

I mean you fight the bosses you already killed before are they respawned or something?

[sullen goblet]

they went to sinners road and came back

[valid rapids]

Godhome basically copies the bosses as you fight them in the waking world

[small dawn]

Ok bc it didn't make sense for me at first

[sullen goblet]

is the godseeker on drugs? how can he have pantheons, hall of gods, a whole lifeblood room, radiance all in his dream? does he just not go insane or something?

[valid rapids]

I dont think dream size means anything

The whole white palace was stored in a kingsmould as well

[hot lily]

false

[agile dew]

So you are telling me knight x hornet is plausible

[hot lily]

are you seriously suggesting an ||incest ship||

[agile dew]

Insect incest

[sullen goblet]

but what about the bosses? how does the godseeker know all the bosses, even though it was locked up in a box, i know that he saw hallownest, but how would he know about sly and paintmaster sheo

[agile dew]

Maybe he wasnt locked up that long ago

[indigo venture]

It can feel them

[sullen goblet]

ayo pause?

[indigo venture]

It can feel the presence of "Gods" in the land with her natural atunement process

[indigo venture]

Motherfucker how is that remotely weird

[sullen goblet]

sly isnt a god

[indigo venture]

Yall reaching to make the jokes

[indigo venture]

By GS definition he is

A Vengefly is a god

[agile dew]

Who made zote god

[indigo venture]

No one? He isnt a god

[small dawn]

He made himself

[indigo venture]

the dream of Bretta that has the shape of Zote is though

[agile dew]

But he appears in godhome

[sullen goblet]

YES BRO, ZOTE IS A GOD, GREY PRINCE ZOTE IS A GOD

[indigo venture]

Eh EO Canonicity is fishy at best

[small dawn]

I think they say sth about an intruder

[indigo venture]

Grey Prince Zote is not Zote

Its a dream of Bretta

"False god"

[rugged comet]

Hall of Gods: Grey Prince Zote

Unlocked:
False god conjured by the lonely

Locked:
I serve my Queen inside her dreams

@megathekindly used /godhome category: Hall of Gods - Bottom row name: Grey Prince Zote

[agile dew]

Thats us bruh

[small dawn]

Oh ok

[sand stump]

No they do have a will

And they do care about other things

[indigo venture]

Like Hornet for one

[sand stump]

and they do seem to go about to do things

[sand stump]

yeah

[indigo venture]

And battling seemingly

Thats the only reason I can think of why they stuck around in Godhome

[agile dew]

Why is it hollow knight then, i thought pure vessel failed cuz he had emotions

[sand stump]

They choose to listen to people talk and even partake in fetchme quests

[indigo venture]

they either like the adoration or battling

[indigo venture]

It isnt hollow nor a Knight

And THK Failed because the plan itself was flawed to begin with

All Vessels are not Hollow

[agile dew]

[timber void]

I personally think a vessel can be truly hollow, but the conditions to maintain it successfully is incredibly hard to pull off

[small dawn]

John hollow is hollow

[agile dew]

Dont show them hornet?

[indigo venture]

what

[timber void]

[agile dew]

They'll develop feelings for her

Cuz she so slayyyy

[indigo venture]

Well yeah TK did I guess

[timber void]

[indigo venture]

I dunno about any other vessel though

I think GPV would say that she sucks

[sand stump]

Its not that they Developed feelings

its the fact that they CAN develop feelings

[indigo venture]

Serrara

[agile dew]

Who is tk

[indigo venture]

The Knight

[timber void]

[sand stump]

Well they got it right

[indigo venture]

Still a Serrara take

[agile dew]

Do we have proof?

[indigo venture]

About what

[agile dew]

Him liking hornet

[sand stump]

ytes

P5 in the Nosk fight

[indigo venture]

Potato why are you obsessed with incest

[timber void]

[loud crater]

All vessels are hollow. You’re thinking of pure.

[indigo venture]

But yeah TK Cares about Hornet

[hot lily]

^

[agile dew]

Idk dude

[indigo venture]

Winged Nosk shows it

[indigo venture]

Fair enough

[sand stump]

Care and Like can be synonyms no?

[indigo venture]

I think Id say not in this context

[sand stump]

true

fair

[agile dew]

How did the pale king die

[sand stump]

Unknown

[hot lily]

grief/suicide

[sand stump]

yeah

[timber void]

Void probably

[sand stump]

those are the main contendors

[timber void]

Or just fades away

[sand stump]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261384444124594217/1476196304139849819/image0.gif

[loud crater]

No. Not Void.

[loud crater]

He sorta just gave up and withered away.

[agile dew]

But the queen survived

[timber void]

Idk i think personally the void theory still holds up. Idk really see anything else reasonable that killed him

[sand stump]

So? She never gave into the despair

[loud crater]

She didn’t give up and wither away.

[loud crater]

He literally emits shit loads of light. You know. The thing that repels Void.

[sand stump]

Hit us with the theory

[agile dew]

Heartless bi-

[indigo venture]

She is not a heartless bitch

[timber void]

I think it works with his hole stick of trying to control the void, and it being ironically the thing that ended his life

[sand stump]

She did have a more objective look to it
But she isn't heartless no

[agile dew]

Why did she let pale king die

[sand stump]

She Didn't

he did it himself

She couldn't stop him

[loud crater]

Again, it physically couldn’t because he emits so much light it literally hurts.

[agile dew]

I see

[sand stump]

Plus he locked himself away from the entire world

[timber void]

I doubt thats enough to repel the void we see radiance het killed by the void, and she is incredibly shiny

[sand stump]

so even if White Lady could do something, she wouldn't be able to get to him

[sand stump]

AFTER she was already extremely weakened AND she died to the Entirety of the Void

[timber void]

Idk that doesn't really hold up

[sand stump]

She was

1. Weakened By the Seals
2. Weakened by being locked away so long
   and 3. Weakened by the fight with TK

And then The Entire Void came out to kill her

Wrong one

[loud crater]

That’s because she was killed by unified Void. The only Void around when PK died was un-unified Void. And I doubt a simple lumifly lighthouse emitted more light than a fucking God.(Abyss lighthouse.)

[timber void]

Lmao i saw that

[timber void]

Its just not consistent with what we see in the games. If these higher beings really was voidproof why did they fear it, or get killed by it at all

[agile dew]

If a knight born of void can beat up radiancw, why cant pale king beat up radiance

[sand stump]

When did they fear it?

[agile dew]

Imagine pale king and pure vessel fighting together

[sand stump]

Because Pale King couldn't really get to The Radiance