#archived-modding-development | Hollow Knight | Page 500

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:10 PM

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56 add a search function to modinstaller 2

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 3:11 PM

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consider the following:

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like 4 people use it

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:12 PM

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remove the old modinstaller -> more people will use it

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 3:12 PM

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that's true

vocal spire Feb 8, 2021, 3:13 PM

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If you remove the old mod installer

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The amount of people in #archived-modding-help

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Scary

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:13 PM

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why? the link would just change to the new modinstaller

lofty zenith Feb 8, 2021, 3:14 PM

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How do I do that?

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 3:14 PM

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I mean there's multiple ways

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The way I'd go about is you can load in audio clips and then replace them on audio players in code but that's more effort

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Using uabe is easier but also terrible

vocal spire Feb 8, 2021, 3:21 PM

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ornate rivet why? the link would just change to the new modinstaller

I thought you meant like shutting down the old installer or something

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:21 PM

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nah

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your console doesnt allow methods 56?

jolly jungle Feb 8, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Damn, nice Seal of Hallownest you got there

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Too bad Pale Court will never release beesive

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Also, nice background

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Who made it?

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 3:43 PM

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does it not

jolly oriole Feb 8, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Does modinstaller 2 support looking at readmes?

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:48 PM

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I think so, if you click on the drop down it shows a description which I assume is from the readme

jolly oriole Feb 8, 2021, 3:48 PM

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U sure it isnt the description string from modlinks? I havent checked

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:50 PM

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pretty sure it isn't because pale champion is using the text I have in the readme

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 3:50 PM

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it really is not the readme

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The readme system that is currently in place is shit

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downloading something to read the readme x5fiftPrime

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:51 PM

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then what does it use

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 3:51 PM

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the desc tag

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:51 PM

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but

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I dont remember giving pale champ a description tag

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 3:52 PM

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yeah because I gave them all one by hand

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Extraordinarily painful task

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:52 PM

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wow

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love you

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what am I doing wrong

jolly oriole Feb 8, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Hot take, definetly not too much: change the modinstaller list from the modlinks to a repository system (lets say a github for hk mods) where the readme of the modrepo is the description

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 3:57 PM

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you could assign to a delegate

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Action wow = () => ...;

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 3:58 PM

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ok, thanks

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private void SceneManagerOnStart(On.SceneManager.orig_Start orig, SceneManager self)
{
    Log("Changing SceneManager settings");
    if (currScene == "White_Palace_09")
    {
        Log("Changed SceneManager settings for WP_09");
        self.noLantern = true;
        self.darknessLevel = 0;
    }
    orig(self);
}

So I'm hooking this and the first time it runs, the darkness level is actually reduced but when I leave to a different scene and come back, the darkness level doesnt get reduced anymore even though the code in the if statement does run

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any theories as to why this happens?

unborn flicker Feb 8, 2021, 4:09 PM

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It would probably be more reliable to have the hook at the fsm level

jolly oriole Feb 8, 2021, 4:12 PM

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uh, darknesslevel 0 is "Normal", -1 is "Dark -1", while 1 and 2 are "Dark 1" and "Dark 2" respectevly

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Yeah you want to use the vignette fsm

unborn flicker Feb 8, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Ah, thanks, I couldn't remember the name

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It's "Vignette-Darkness Control" in global fsms

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 4:13 PM

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hmm that's weird, then I wonder why the darkness gets reduced the very first time

copper nacelle Feb 8, 2021, 4:13 PM

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hc.vignetteFSM imo

jolly oriole Feb 8, 2021, 4:16 PM

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@ornate rivet i don't know why you would want to change the darknesslevel value of wp09's scenemanager to 0, as it already is 0

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do you happen to spawn right into a darkness region?

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 4:17 PM

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honestly I was just setting all the options that could reduce the darkness without checking because that would be effort

jolly oriole Feb 8, 2021, 4:17 PM

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i.e. this one?

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ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 4:18 PM

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I delete those

jolly oriole Feb 8, 2021, 4:18 PM

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oh

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well, considering <#archived-modding-development message>, maybe you delete it too late

vocal spire Feb 8, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Yield return null bad again?

ornate rivet Feb 8, 2021, 6:14 PM

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na

prime urchin Feb 8, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Yow, thanks for linking this; the older Unity Inspector is good but this looks to be on a whole 'nother level.

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 12:13 AM

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is there a single repo/list of all mods for older patches? aiming to support as many patches as possible fully for speedrun/downpatching purposes, though i realise there are probably like 3 mods that people use on older patches

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(though i suppose i should only support the patches people care about, rather than providing 3 different 1.2 APIs when only 1221 will be used)

copper nacelle Feb 9, 2021, 12:23 AM

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the drive

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?mods

finite forumBOT Feb 9, 2021, 12:23 AM

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Mods
Google Drive with Mods - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B_b9PFqx_PR9Um9MeFZMV21oWGs
Installer - https://radiance.host/mods/ModInstaller.exe
Mod Summaries - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cz5tcggpGofrBcM90XyTkMWjMelDHzugvQM6HpB13Ew

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 12:37 AM

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ok cool, im guessing the only thing missing is minidebug?

copper nacelle Feb 9, 2021, 12:42 AM

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yeah

untold moth Feb 9, 2021, 1:04 AM

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high five for whoever wrote the Resources folder of randomizer 3

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probably the best source of info about vanilla HK out there

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i dont need any help just wanted to express appreciation

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 1:09 AM

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dearest homothety feelspkman

brave hill Feb 9, 2021, 4:30 AM

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5

copper nacelle Feb 9, 2021, 4:32 AM

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what

tawny onyx Feb 9, 2021, 4:55 AM

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can i def a class in console?

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sinful elm Feb 9, 2021, 7:38 AM

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how do I reskin bosses?

royal tiger Feb 9, 2021, 7:51 AM

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?saves

finite forumBOT Feb 9, 2021, 7:51 AM

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Saves

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

proven cipher Feb 9, 2021, 8:39 AM

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sinful elm how do I reskin bosses?

You would need to write your own mod

sinful elm Feb 9, 2021, 8:40 AM

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damn

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 9:08 AM

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or (though i would recommend against it) you could change assets that the boss uses using a tool like UABE

proven cipher Feb 9, 2021, 9:15 AM

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That's a cool idea

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I would like to look into that, actually

potent dirge Feb 9, 2021, 10:49 AM

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You could probably use the custom knight mod for reference, then edit it for other bosses/enemies/entities

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Honestly that would be really cool to have, an agnostic custom skin mod for everything just to quickly test skins like that for everything as long as you have a name for it

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 11:08 AM

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i'd need to check, but at work rn, but it could be possible to have a different way of replacing textures, which could eliminate all preloads customknight currently has

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 11:14 AM

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Yeah, having something work like customknight for all textures would take a long loading time at the start

leaden hedge Feb 9, 2021, 11:14 AM

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why

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doesn't it just detour some texture loading function

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 11:14 AM

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Why does it take any extra time at the start?

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The current customknight

leaden hedge Feb 9, 2021, 11:15 AM

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do a fast hash on what its attempting to load, and load the texture of that hash

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yeah why is it preloading

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it doesn't need to replace anything if it doesn't exist yet Thonking

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 11:16 AM

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So if you use the same way to replace all textures you want in a kind of Customall, it'll take super long

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no?

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You'd rather just do it other ways

leaden hedge Feb 9, 2021, 11:16 AM

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i mean why is customknight coded like shit

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 11:16 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Hopefully customknight+ is better

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Whenever red finishes that

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 11:22 AM

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ask jngo why it's coded like shit

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wait, there's a problem with that

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but should be simple enough (for the animated stuff at least, so most of the game) to on hook a start method from some tk2d script

leaden hedge Feb 9, 2021, 11:23 AM

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theres tk2dRuntime.SpriteCollectionGenerate. stuff

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and tk2dBaseSprite.Awake()

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although not 100% sure if Awake runs when scene starts

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or only when it activates from deactivation

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 11:26 AM

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it would run after a script is loaded (like a thing to initialize stuff, if you don't want to use the constructor), though idk if it runs once for every script

leaden hedge Feb 9, 2021, 11:26 AM

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also tk2dSpriteCollection / Data have init functions and create functions

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oh and if you're on a tk2d thing, you don't even need to figure out what texture you're replacing

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because you can just look at gameobject.name

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 11:28 AM

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yea, but those could be different from the used texture afaik

copper nacelle Feb 9, 2021, 11:51 AM

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custom knight has fucking preloads?

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the earlier versions definitely didn't

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ah it's a setting for the cutscene shit

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 4:56 PM

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does anyone know of a way of acquiring HK voidheart edition (1433) that isn't pirating? wondering if that could be used as a piracy check

copper nacelle Feb 9, 2021, 4:57 PM

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1433?

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 4:58 PM

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it's 1432 but with a different title screen

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afaik some torrents have that instead of 1432

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(though i might need to double check that)

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 4:59 PM

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do you have a screenshot of said title screen?

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:00 PM

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That exists?

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Why would it exist

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:03 PM

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1433?

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Huh

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Never heard of it

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 5:03 PM

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probably to let pirates out themselves not knowing?

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:03 PM

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deep wave does anyone know of a way of acquiring HK voidheart edition (1433) that isn't pi...

ps4

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Ooooo

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Found it now

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Hk on ps4 is 1433?

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:04 PM

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idk

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https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/j351yt/difference_1433_and_1432/

r/HollowKnight - Difference 1.4.3.3 and 1.4.3.2

8 votes and 2 comments so far on Reddit

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this is what this says

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Huh

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So it’s real

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Maybe?

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I'm not sure

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is there any way to pirate other than for pc?

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Guess someone could go buy the windows store ver since that’s voidheart tmk

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Hm

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Anyways Jamie what do you need it for?

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I'm curious

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:06 PM

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Anti piracy appearantly

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:06 PM

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Oh wait I see now

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:06 PM

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But if it’s legit, then might not be the best idea

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:06 PM

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If there wasn't, then 1433 is pirated

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But it does exist, apparently, so we can't be sure

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Yeah

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:07 PM

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So it could just be a windows store pirated ver

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:07 PM

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Hm

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Damnit

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I wish I could check it rn

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 5:07 PM

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is there a screenshot that shows it? unless there is, it doesn't exist

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Haven't seen one myself, no

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:08 PM

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jolly oriole is there a screenshot that shows it? unless there is, it doesn't exist

Looking

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Found this. I think it says 1.4.3.3 https://youtu.be/frylPnd3vFw

YouTube

MrSketchead

Hollow Knight Voidheart Edition Playthrough w/MrSketchead - Episode 1!

#HollowKnight #Metroidvania #HollowKnightVoidheart

Hollow Knight has been long requested on the channel. Today we are finally jumping into this game!
Thanks for watching!!!
Follow me:
https://www.instagram.com/mr_sketchead/
https://twitter.com/MrSketchead

▶ Play video

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:18 PM

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deep wave does anyone know of a way of acquiring HK voidheart edition (1433) that isn't pi...

How would it be used as an anti piracy check?

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:20 PM

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jolly jungle If there *wasn't*, then 1433 is pirated

I think they meant this

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Basically, if the answer to Jamie's question was "no", that would mean that any time you see version 1433 you can recognize it as pirated

vocal spire Feb 9, 2021, 5:21 PM

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But what if someone actually bought it from the Microsoft store

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 5:23 PM

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pc microsoft store versions are 1.4.3.2 though

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and if mods ever get to consoles: http://teamcherry.com.au/switch1345/ 1.3.4.5

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 5:35 PM

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Hm

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Wait so what ways are there to get 1.4.3.3?

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ps4 and pirating?
or only pirating?

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 5:54 PM

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vocal spire So it could just be a windows store pirated ver

this is for hkmanager, which is for modding, which can't be done on ms store version... so....

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and the anti-piracy check is literally
store SHA1 of assembly-csharp of 1433
compare against SHA1 of assembly-csharp of installation
if match, call it pirated

languid goblet Feb 9, 2021, 6:00 PM

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how does the anti piracy check work anyways
does it just check if you're not on 1432

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 6:03 PM

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this is only one part of what i was thinking, the currently existing code is here: https://github.com/Ayugradow/ModInstaller/blob/a5d98a46073fda4e2e2507a0f97fe00a825e986e/ModInstaller/ModManager.cs#L269

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what slightly concerns me about this is that it doesn't seem to actually stop modinstaller from running? it just opens a messagebox, opens a browser then proceeds

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~~anyway i guess i now have to search for hk torrents to check their assembly hashes~~ having fun on the internet trans2uHappy3

languid goblet Feb 9, 2021, 6:08 PM

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i used piracy to destroy the piracy

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 6:08 PM

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the ultimate story

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 6:28 PM

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i mean, the thing what katie suggested with the required steam/gog login (to check if the game has been purchased) would also eliminate piracy

languid goblet Feb 9, 2021, 6:32 PM

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the issue with that is that people might not feel comfortable sharing their account info

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including me

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 6:34 PM

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hm yea, but (idk if it currently is lmao) then there's the point that it's open source

languid goblet Feb 9, 2021, 6:38 PM

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true

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i do use a minecraft mod manager that requires a login
it's open source and has a good reputation

stone elm Feb 9, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Maybe stupid question: why would it be the job of a mod manager/installer to ever do piracy checks?

young walrus Feb 9, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Because pirates are bad and we don't like them

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 6:56 PM

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because this partnered discord of a game with its developers on it doesn't condone piracy of the game

stone elm Feb 9, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I don't disagree. I'm just saying it's not your problem. A modinstaller refusing to work isn't DRM

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 7:01 PM

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because we don't want to answer questions about issues that could pertain only to their cracked versions, however unlikely that might be tamershrug

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i am, however, also apprehensive about the OAuth checker, even if you're not technically sharing your account login, you're giving a mod manager that says "this application might not be safe" when people run it your account details

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(note to self - also adding an "open saves location" button...)

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 7:08 PM

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that says "this application might not be safe" when people run it
though the hk modinstaller is the only program that ever said that to me

young walrus Feb 9, 2021, 7:09 PM

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I'd say as the makers of the mods that the pirates want to play, it IS our problem when we don't want them playing them without legitimate game versions

potent dirge Feb 9, 2021, 7:13 PM

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As long as it doesn't overkill and harm legit owners, then yes

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On one hand I find it semi strange to focus this much on designing drm, otoh I literally run through the same room for hours on end to see if I can find 0.1s optimisations, and designing and telling pirates "screw off" is way more productive and less 🥴 than what I spend time on, that's for sure

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 7:20 PM

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0.1s optimisations are the best though shroompog

jolly oriole Feb 9, 2021, 7:25 PM

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1 frame optimisations is where it's at

stone elm Feb 9, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Okay, I figured I'd ask since I wasn't sure about the attitude. I'm not at all being critical, or at least I hope not to appear as such. If you want to say "no pirates can play our mods" then that's cool. At first look, without too much context, it just looked like the purpose was mostly to aid Team Cherry. I don't disagree with that, just seemed out of place.

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 7:26 PM

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no dw, im a speedrunner i still don't like tc its just i still wanna support them feelspkman

jolly jungle Feb 9, 2021, 7:52 PM

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im a speedrunner i still don't like tc

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I love this

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 7:55 PM

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maybe if they gave me some inputs and some better sanctum rng i would be nicer

merry lotus Feb 9, 2021, 7:56 PM

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If this isn't the appropriate channel for this, I can post elsewhere, but I wasn't sure if this had been brought up yet about the newer versions of Rando:

Now that LifeBlood Cocoons are shuffled in, this check becomes available without Claw only because of the "extra platforms".

📎 MantisLords_LifeBlood_ExtraPlatforms.mp4

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 7:57 PM

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yes this is known, i believe room rando logic makes it specifically so that you require claw and (cdash or wings)

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also the correct channel is #randomizer, which you can gain access to by using ?rank randomizer racer or ?rank speedrun racer (first one gets pinged often for rando races)

finite forumBOT Feb 9, 2021, 8:00 PM

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@merry lotus, you joined Randomizer Racer.

steady comet Feb 9, 2021, 8:50 PM

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deep wave yes this is known, i believe room rando logic makes it specifically so that you ...

(In fact all transition modes require what you said, because the extra platforms are optional)

deep wave Feb 9, 2021, 11:10 PM

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steady comet (In fact all transition modes require what you said, because the extra platforms...

epic til i am not smart 🥴

vague venture Feb 10, 2021, 12:21 AM

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does anyone have any advice if I were thinking about commissioning someone to re-make (or drastically improve) the online mod?

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I get that it's always going to be a bit laggy, but other than the lag, there's a major problem where the mod randomly stops communicating player movement until you restart the game completely

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 12:33 AM

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@ fireb0rn I remember seeing Katie mention wanting to look into that because she didnt like how it handled stuff currently, but unsure if that was memeing, just a general item nr 300 on the todo list, or anything else

vague venture Feb 10, 2021, 12:34 AM

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oh awesome, thanks cerpin

merry lotus Feb 10, 2021, 12:53 AM

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deep wave yes this is known, i believe room rando logic makes it specifically so that you ...

Out of curiosity- does this apply to non-room rando too? (Or is room rando just what Rando3 is referred to as).
I only ask because I don't normally play with Room Randomizaiton enabled, but the platforms are there as long as you're not playing with random starting location iirc.

steel badger Feb 10, 2021, 3:42 AM

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vague venture I get that it's always going to be a bit laggy, but other than the lag, there's ...

It’s tedious but it’ll probably get fixed in the future

leaden hedge Feb 10, 2021, 3:43 AM

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the dev doesn't work on it

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so probably not

steady comet Feb 10, 2021, 6:55 AM

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merry lotus Out of curiosity- does this apply to non-room rando too? (Or is room rando just ...

The extra platforms are optional so logic doesn’t take account of them, so you will need claw and (wings or cdash) in any mode to put them in logic

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It’s a little unfortunate that you can get the lifeblood check with wings and cdash when you wouldn’t be able to, but there’s no easy way around the issue while still having the helper platforms

merry lotus Feb 10, 2021, 6:57 AM

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Yeah, that last bit was my original point. It's the first thing (to my knowledge) that is directly affected by having the "helper platforms"

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Like, it's a check that you wouldn't be able to get (like that) unless you had them on, which seems.. wrong.

steady comet Feb 10, 2021, 6:59 AM

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Yeah, you are right

merry lotus Feb 10, 2021, 6:59 AM

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I was unsure if it was somewhere where maybe the platforms would be moved slightly, which would allow one to jump up, but not be able to get that check in that way.
(Which, I think if the upper platform was lowered, and then an additional platform was added, then it might be fixable.. I could probably test this in Decoration mod though)

steady comet Feb 10, 2021, 7:00 AM

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It’s plausible

steady comet Feb 10, 2021, 7:18 AM

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Yeah it's definitely possible ~~I made a video but discord is a bully~~

atomic egret Feb 10, 2021, 7:43 AM

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Why i cant type on hk memes

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 7:48 AM

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wrong chat

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 11:10 AM

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proposed changes to modlinks, should be pretty much backwards-compatible w/ modinstaller 1/2. features:

Vanilla SHA-1 hashes for automatic patch detection
Support for more extensive descriptions on a mod download page (see FullDescription)
Support for multiple branches of the same mod to be treated independently, and still receive updates (NOTE: MODINSTALLER WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE THESE. update probably required to add BranchName to the mod name in modinstaller?)
Distinction between Assembly-Csharp mods and modloader mods w/ APIList - note that the Modding API modlink is left as legacy
Differentiates mods by patch supported, allowing previous iterations of mods to be added (NOTE: also not supported by ModInstaller, will need to check the patch no. of mods before adding them)

📎 ModLinks.xml

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:15 PM

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attempted to build the API and this happened

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deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 1:16 PM

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~~if you don't have hollow knight installed at the default steam path you will have to rereference everything~~ dont mind me im stupid

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 1:16 PM

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the readme details how the api is built, for example you need to put hollow knight's vanilla DLLs into the "vanilla" subfolder of the project

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:18 PM

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so do i just copy all the files and stuff into the Vanilla folder?

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 1:18 PM

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yes

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:18 PM

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that didn't seem to do anything

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are you referring to everything in hollow_knight_Data or just the DLLs

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 1:19 PM

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just the dlls in managed

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:20 PM

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so not the XMLs

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 1:20 PM

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i think those make no difference

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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restarted visual studio and it still says that it failed

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jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 1:21 PM

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try force rebuilding of the whole solution

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:22 PM

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what's the difference between regular and force rebuilding

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also when i try building it again it gives me the 419 error situation again

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 1:23 PM

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hm

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:23 PM

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you know, i did change the default steam installation path after i installed hollow knight so that may be part of the problem

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it's also given me errors with the modinstaller

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so maybe i should move the folder?

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 1:24 PM

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astral oxide it's also given me errors with the modinstaller

it shouldn't

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:25 PM

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more accurately, when i try to use the "switch to vanilla" button it doesn't like me so i have to manually do everything

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 1:57 PM

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well i uninstalled and reinstalled visual studio and it still isn't working so idk

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:00 PM

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What exactly isn’t working

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:01 PM

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it just says it failed and that a lot of things were not found

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:02 PM

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check your references, you may wish to manually re-add them all (which is pretty 🥴 and shouldn't be necessary but idk tamershrug )

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:03 PM

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what do you mean by references

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the DLLs or something else?

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:03 PM

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check your solution explorer, some of these may be errored

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astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:05 PM

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i see none of those in solution explorer

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do i need to move some files

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:06 PM

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reference adding time!

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:07 PM

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(not the same, my references are for a different project)

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Ah

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Can you screenshot your references @astral oxide

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:07 PM

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I did find some things that look familiar in Dependecies/Assemblies

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and some of them are errored

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or warned

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i don't see anything called References though

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:08 PM

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Can you screenshot the solution explorer then

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:09 PM

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palehmm

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this is what it would look like if you don't have the references you need

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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uh

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i don't even have anything called References

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do i need to press a button or something

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Click dependencies

worn eagle Feb 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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Expand Dependencies

leaden hedge Feb 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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it'd be cool if vs added like

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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leaden hedge Feb 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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a yellow warning triangle

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to say where to look for errors

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:11 PM

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its alright katie, it'll come in vs 2016 when you update

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:11 PM

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So just redo the references to all the yellow stuff in there I think

leaden hedge Feb 10, 2021, 2:11 PM

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my man ballmer wouldn't let me down

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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(iirc that is what i had to do, it just couldn't detect the assemblies no matter what so just readded all of them manually)

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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what do you mean by redo the references

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zote

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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right click assemblies

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add reference

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browse

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Did you read the readme on where to copy paste the files from the hollowknight / managed folder, sploopo?

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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get the files

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Also remove the original references if they are still there after adding the new ones

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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i did indeed read the readme, it's in the vanilla folder

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Also to be completely sure, you're trying to use 1432/current patch, right?

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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well i got it straight from github

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so i'd assume so

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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You got it from 56’s fork right? That ones more updated

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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I mean, are you trying to use it for the current patch?

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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i think so?

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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https://github.com/fifty-six/HollowKnight.Modding this one?

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Oki, that's probably a yes if you don't actively do it differently

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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oh, i'm not using a fork

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that might be the issue

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Okay, screen shot your vanilla folder to show what you have in there

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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That fork is more updated

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Should still work on the original

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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alright, should i use that then

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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After this, probably

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Fork shouldnt be an issue, it won't fix lacking the game files it depends on

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Yeah

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So just add the references again

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 2:16 PM

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No, leave that as it is, and add them to wherever the readme said (I can't remember off the top of my head)

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(also nw about this being frustrating, sploopo, building this for the first time is horrible)

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:16 PM

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I thought they already did that

potent dirge Feb 10, 2021, 2:16 PM

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If they did it would work

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At least I'm 90% sure, because that's how I solved my week long issues with building

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I’m pretty sure I still had to add the references

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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alright readded the references, do i just delete the old ones

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Yes

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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well this is different but not perfect

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vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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What are the errors

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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oh i think it's because things are duplicated

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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sudden pfp change

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:25 PM

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i decided to stop playing terraria and play a good game

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Terraria is good

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🤔

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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i've been in the terraria community for a year now

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more accurately the modding community

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Cool

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:27 PM

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ask any modder and they will tell you how frustrating the source code is zote

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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I tried modding it a while back

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All the YouTube tutorials I could find were outdated. Didn’t know about discord at the time

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 2:28 PM

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what's discord?

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Same

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It’s definition still eludes me

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:29 PM

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so these are the errors

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vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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You have 2 assembly c sharps referenced or something

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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tried destroying all the references and putting them back, but this happened

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Try removing the assembly C sharp reference actually

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See if that fixes

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:31 PM

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that just gave me more errors

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so uh

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Did you try building

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Since it’s patching assembly C sharp it might work then?

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:32 PM

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i've been building

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Oh wait

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It’s a modded assembly C sharp

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lol

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I’m dumb

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 2:33 PM

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what i did to do modding api building:

download the git repo
copy vanilla DLLs into vanilla subfolder
open solution in vs
rebuild entire solution

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Ima go now

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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i've only got vanilla DLLs i think

vocal spire Feb 10, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Nah

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90% sure you have a modded assembly C sharp

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:36 PM

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huh

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how do i de-modify it

deep wave Feb 10, 2021, 2:40 PM

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grab it from a vanilla install of hk

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 2:41 PM

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so do i just uninstall and reinstall hk

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 2:41 PM

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verify game files with steam

copper nacelle Feb 10, 2021, 3:03 PM

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📎 Assembly-CSharp_V.dll

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 3:06 PM

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ok that worked, but now i've got some missing stuff

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copper nacelle Feb 10, 2021, 3:29 PM

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need a nuget restore

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 3:35 PM

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so how do i do a nuget restore

astral oxide Feb 10, 2021, 3:46 PM

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copper nacelle need a nuget restore

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midnight narwhal Feb 10, 2021, 5:16 PM

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oh hey sploopo

empty ridge Feb 10, 2021, 5:22 PM

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noob here, how hard would it be to develop a mod that replaces all the sounds in the base game (music, sfx, etc.)?

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 5:24 PM

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music: not that difficult with how the game is structured
sfx: more difficult, as you'd have to iterate over all audiosources and replace the sounds on them

empty ridge Feb 10, 2021, 5:31 PM

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ok, thanks for the info. i'm thinking of doing a custom level with 100% new sounds. didnt know whether that was feasible

jolly oriole Feb 10, 2021, 5:33 PM

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if by "custom level" you mean with DecorationMaster, than you can replace parts of SceneManager (for the BGM) and audiosources in the affected scene
if you mean with unity and completely custom scenes, you can make use of SFCore (in detail this part https://github.com/SFGrenade/SFCore/blob/master/MonoBehaviours/PatchMusicRegions.cs) and don't have to worry about the bgm stuff

empty ridge Feb 10, 2021, 5:52 PM

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alright, i'll do some research to refine my idea a bit lol

keen rivet Feb 10, 2021, 9:41 PM

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how do i get rid of all my mods

proven cipher Feb 10, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Click revert to unmodded on your mod installer then verify integrity of game files

keen rivet Feb 10, 2021, 9:42 PM

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i got rid of them all but my soul meter is wrong

proven cipher Feb 10, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Also this belongs in #archived-modding-help

keen rivet Feb 10, 2021, 9:42 PM

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its always grey until it is full

keen rivet Feb 10, 2021, 10:00 PM

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#archived-modding-help is not doing its job

proven cipher Feb 10, 2021, 10:01 PM

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You need to chill

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People help in their free time if they are able.

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At the end of the day you are the only one who actually knows what you did, so providing the correct information will help.

Posting on other channels will definitely not.

keen rivet Feb 10, 2021, 10:09 PM

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sorry

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im just sad

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 12:25 PM

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midnight narwhal oh hey sploopo

oh hey efcawesome

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anyways still haven't managed to figure out building the api

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 12:36 PM

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did you remove the reference to json.net

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because that's in the repo

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and should just be there

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 12:53 PM

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so do i just remove the JsonNet folder

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 12:53 PM

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you should not remove the reference to json.net

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 12:54 PM

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i'm assuming it should be here?

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leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 12:55 PM

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no

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remove

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the

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reference

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 12:56 PM

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which reference zote

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 12:56 PM

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the one

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to json.net

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 12:56 PM

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i don't even have a reference to json.net

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or at least i can't find it

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 1:05 PM

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no

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that's the problem

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you should have one

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 1:06 PM

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hmm

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alright will fix that

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where would the json.net reference be located or is it not a file

worn eagle Feb 11, 2021, 1:11 PM

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It's Newtonsoft.Json.dll

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 1:12 PM

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?????

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 1:12 PM

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do you see where it says JsonNet

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in the path

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 1:12 PM

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yes

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 1:13 PM

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are those dlls referenced in your csproject

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 1:14 PM

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oh

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no

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i'll reference them now

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 1:16 PM

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let some cracks download overnight, turns out only one of them is current patch 🥴

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 1:18 PM

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did i do it right

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copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 1:30 PM

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what

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Why tf is it in your managed folder

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 1:30 PM

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where do you put your code smartypants

worn eagle Feb 11, 2021, 1:34 PM

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C:

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 1:34 PM

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C:/Windows/System32 ?

worn eagle Feb 11, 2021, 1:35 PM

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ye, that way it's in PATH

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 1:47 PM

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copper nacelle what

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vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 1:48 PM

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astral oxide

It says copy the contents to the vanilla folder, not put the code in there zote

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 1:49 PM

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oh

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i can't read

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ok i did it itssoulgood

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so now how do i actually make a mod

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 1:59 PM

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please tell me you did not build the api so you could make a mod

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 2:00 PM

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i'm kinda stupid so i unfortunately cannot tell you that zote

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oh well i at least have it for the future

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 2:00 PM

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this is so sad

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 2:00 PM

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if necessary

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 2:00 PM

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you just install it from like the installer and ref it

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 2:01 PM

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so uh

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where's the installer

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is it the ILRepack thing

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 2:02 PM

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It’s the app you downloaded

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That’s it

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 2:03 PM

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which app

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(I am dumb)

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 2:03 PM

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.....

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 2:03 PM

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(as shown)

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 2:03 PM

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Mod installer.exe

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 2:03 PM

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pinned in modding-help

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 2:03 PM

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that's it

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 2:03 PM

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Yeah

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 2:03 PM

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huh

ornate rivet Feb 11, 2021, 2:04 PM

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dont listen to them, they want to hack you

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 2:05 PM

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Yeah

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 2:05 PM

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56 stole my copy of fallout: new vegas PepeHands

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 2:05 PM

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It’s all just a scam

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 2:05 PM

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oh no i'm being hacked

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jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 2:09 PM

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ornate rivet dont listen to them, they want to hack you

||you say that as if you didn't include such a "feature" in pale court||

ornate rivet Feb 11, 2021, 2:12 PM

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shhhh

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 2:13 PM

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ok

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why did it put the @ back when i edited the message

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 2:14 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Discord weird

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 2:15 PM

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jolly oriole ||you say that as if you didn't include such a "feature" in pale court||

Stop revealing all of the great features

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:26 PM

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additional files found in the only current patch crack i could find, and SHA1 hash. apart from these and folder name there appear to be no differences between this crack and my steam install

unins000.dat ||| 77610786BB6CB92AC6E7BC495536E4A62D699E55```

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(the crack also comes with the entire HK OST but afaik that's also available elsewhere)

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:36 PM

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did you hash every file

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:36 PM

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no only the ones that were different

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:37 PM

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how did you determine different

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:37 PM

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using windiff

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:39 PM

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did you install it

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:40 PM

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on a vm, yes

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:40 PM

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generally its this file thats replaced in cracks

📎 steam_api.dll

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under hk/data/plugins

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but if its a gog pirated copy

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it'll be drm free anyway

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:41 PM

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this appears to be a steam copy

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:42 PM

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is your current patch a steam copy

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:42 PM

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yeah

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:44 PM

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im not 100% sure how well windiff works on binary files

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:44 PM

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neither am i, which is why im loading dnspy feelspkman

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they appear to be the same size

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 3:44 PM

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lol

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:44 PM

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just use hxd

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or something

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hxd has ctrl+k to compare two files

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and you can do next difference

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the files you should compare are the exes, and the plugin folder ones

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:48 PM

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plugin folder

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same for exes

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:49 PM

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does the crack work

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:49 PM

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yes

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 3:49 PM

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Steam api can be replaced, sometimes its just a so called steam emulator in front of the steam api dll

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 3:49 PM

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are there any other processes running

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theres probably an emulator running

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it used to be creamapi but thats outdated

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 3:49 PM

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Steamemu is also just a dll afaik

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 3:53 PM

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so uh

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what files do i have to reference in order to create a mod

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deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:53 PM

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https://radiance.host/apidocs

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 3:58 PM

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huh, i've got everything referenced but it's still giving me those errors

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 3:59 PM

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did you reference assembly-csharp from a modded install?

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 4:00 PM

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i'm just trying to look at the examplemods

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so i don't think so

deep wave Feb 11, 2021, 4:08 PM

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ok do you have moddingapi installed on your default install of hollow knight

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because by default the examplemod will reference Assembly-CSharp.dll from the install at the default steam path, even if that dll is not modded

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 4:16 PM

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eventually got it working, i think it was just a wacky visual studio problem

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anyways

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it begins

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copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 4:17 PM

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🥴

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 4:18 PM

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you may be 🥴 now but soon you'll be 💀

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after, of course, i get through the remaining 6 minutes and 18 seconds of your tutorial

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 4:20 PM

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lmao

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:20 PM

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🤔

nocturne meteor Feb 11, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Yeah, the tutorial is good for getting started. I had a lot of questions but it was really good to look at another project and "copy what it does" and then modify. :'']

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Can we get the multiplayer mode but you keep the hit boxes on the players but you don’t actually hurteach other

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:33 PM

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fluid steppe Can we get the multiplayer mode but you keep the hit boxes on the players but yo...

The hit boxes always are on. Just turn off pvp

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:33 PM

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We want to pogo on each other and it wont work with pvp off

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Attack at the exact same time

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Interesting, will try. But would still like to without that

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We are trying to do multiworld rando with multiplayer on so its a coop version.

So if one of us dont have claw yet we can pogo each other

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:39 PM

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You are doing multiworld or the multiplayer mod?

merry lotus Feb 11, 2021, 4:43 PM

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vocal spire You are doing multiworld or the multiplayer mod?

It sounds like they are attempting to do both at the same time.

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:43 PM

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That’s not good...

merry lotus Feb 11, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Yeah, I can't imagine that that's not going to result in some weird bugs. Although I think they do use different ports for their servers, so... Maybe it'd work by sheer coincidence/luck?

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 4:45 PM

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uh, anyone here know what GameObject I need to use in the player TakeDamage method in order to make the player take damage

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:45 PM

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vocal spire You are doing multiworld or the multiplayer mod?

Both

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:45 PM

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vocal spire That’s not good...

It was working yesterday very well tbh

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:46 PM

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They are both separate things

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Yea

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Why are you using both

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:47 PM

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Like I said we are doing a co op where we pogo off each other if we cant reach something

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But we kept hurting each other but it still worked

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:47 PM

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So you installed a whole different multiplayer mod, with completely different connections just for that?

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:47 PM

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astral oxide uh, anyone here know what GameObject I need to use in the player TakeDamage meth...

Look in dnspy what it does with the object

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Yea we connected to the multiworld IP and we used hamachi for the multiplayer

young walrus Feb 11, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Lol. Interesting way to cheat the rando logic I guess

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:48 PM

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zote

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Well you do you

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 4:48 PM

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i've been looking in dnspy but i can't find it zote

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Yea it was fun and challenging just a new method

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:49 PM

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astral oxide i've been looking in dnspy but i can't find it <:zote:562358113374568477>

Wdym

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You just go to HeroController

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Ctrl + f to find the method

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 4:49 PM

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i've been looking in herocontroller but idk what gameobject i need to use

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Look at what it does with the object smh

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:50 PM

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young walrus Lol. Interesting way to cheat the rando logic I guess

Wouldnt call it a cheat really, was still a real challenge

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:50 PM

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It is a cheat

patent zealot Feb 11, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Nono

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Think of it as a shade skip

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Not a cheat

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:51 PM

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zote

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:51 PM

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patent zealot Think of it as a shade skip

Basically

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:51 PM

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But it’s not a shade skip

fluid steppe Feb 11, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Its just a different way of playing it. Still fun and challenging and more social

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 4:53 PM

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astral oxide uh, anyone here know what GameObject I need to use in the player TakeDamage meth...

any

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Also anyone else making code in notepad on their school pc zote

merry lotus Feb 11, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Is there any reason not to at least use Notepad++ on a USB?

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 4:57 PM

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i may have a fix for the map marker issue with the modding api

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 4:58 PM

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the who

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 4:58 PM

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map markers not showing up

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or somewhere at 0,0,0

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Yeah

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That’s a weird bug

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Was making a fix mod but I got onto different mods

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 4:59 PM

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it's better to make that change directly in the modding api

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Yeah

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Why does it happen though?

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 5:00 PM

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my first mod is a success, i have created hollow knight pacifist edition

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 5:01 PM

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vocal spire Why does it happen though?

adding markers definetly won't work

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copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 5:01 PM

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do you mean like

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new markers

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or are normal markers actually bugged

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 5:01 PM

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both

copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 5:01 PM

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pepega

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 5:02 PM

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jolly oriole adding markers definetly won't work

Is that what it does instead of setting it

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 5:02 PM

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the position of every already placed marker is somehow 0,0,0

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 5:02 PM

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vocal spire Is that what it does instead of setting it

nah, that's the code for placing markers

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 5:33 PM

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oh no

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json.net can't read unity's json version of the vector3's

visual coral Feb 11, 2021, 6:43 PM

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🤔 if you wanna create a custom sprite sheet for custom knight. it's just as simple to drop it in the modfolder of custom knight once you have made the sheet? thinking of making one but am too stupid to code pepogrub

leaden hedge Feb 11, 2021, 6:44 PM

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no code required to replace the spritesheet

visual coral Feb 11, 2021, 6:44 PM

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grublove cool ty

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 6:51 PM

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small changes are being made and pins will work

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though you can decide if it's for better or for worse

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copper nacelle Feb 11, 2021, 6:55 PM

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my eyes

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 7:01 PM

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do you have a better solution tho?

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 7:24 PM

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tiniest problems, just shadeMapPos and dreamgateMapPos don't want to load correctly, even though they should

nocturne meteor Feb 11, 2021, 7:56 PM

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What does the [] part do above the var definition? I don't think I've seen that before.

stone elm Feb 11, 2021, 7:57 PM

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It's a C# Attribute. Almost like Java decorators, it denotes metadata on a definition

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In this case it's denoting which type to use as the json converter for these fields

nocturne meteor Feb 11, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Ahh, okay, I get'cha. Thank you, I'm a Python person and --- you know, it's all loosey-goosey over there.

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 8:11 PM

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comparable with @ in python

stone elm Feb 11, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Not at all like decorators in Python, which work through a very different mechanic (functions as first class citizens being passed around and modified)

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Attributes in C# are purely metadata, they do not alter functionality unless other code reads the attribute through reflection and does something about it

nocturne meteor Feb 11, 2021, 8:56 PM

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Ah, okay, yeah, I'm familiar with Python decs, but after reading a bit, these work fairly differently. They make sense tho now, thanks all.

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 8:58 PM

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how would I change the AI of an enemy?

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Change it’s fsm

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Or completely just throw away the fsm and make a monobehavior for the enemy’s ai

astral oxide Feb 11, 2021, 8:59 PM

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ok

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where could i find the original enemy FSMs

prime urchin Feb 11, 2021, 9:41 PM

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jolly oriole though you can decide if it's for better or for worse

Can't you specify converters on the serializationsettings object instead of each individual member? Or does that work differently?

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Seem to remember seeing something like that on the JsonSerializerSettings object, anyway.

jolly oriole Feb 11, 2021, 9:42 PM

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if the newtonsoft website would load, i could look at docs

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yeah, but only those 6 fields need it (where it sadly only works for 4 of those 6)

vocal spire Feb 11, 2021, 9:48 PM

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astral oxide where could i find the original enemy FSMs

Fsm viewer found in the pins

restive galleon Feb 12, 2021, 10:45 AM

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Guys is there any mod that does something like a ng+?
Or not like ng+, just makes the game a bit different

gilded lotus Feb 12, 2021, 10:48 AM

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#modding-discussion

vocal spire Feb 12, 2021, 2:08 PM

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restive galleon Guys is there any mod that does something like a ng+? Or not like ng+, just make...

Ng+ mod

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Only does kings pass rn

nocturne temple Feb 12, 2021, 2:58 PM

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how do i change the effects of the easy mode mod

vocal spire Feb 12, 2021, 3:15 PM

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nocturne temple how do i change the effects of the easy mode mod

Can’t

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Also #archived-modding-help

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 4:29 PM

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thoughts on more brief tab names to ensure that you never need to scroll through them? note that "Levels", "Trials" and "Skins" should only be visible if those respective mods are enabled

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also noting: ProfileBox is very large for the expected usage by most people, could be worth shrinking and using space for something else (eg. discord invite link, though that may remain in settings)

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 4:31 PM

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only thing: you don't need unmodded and modded buttons, 2 profiles by default should be enough for people to use

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 4:32 PM

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that's probably a better dichotomy actually, rather than having the idea of "you picked this install, now you choose whether to launch it in vanilla or with all this stuff on the right hand side"

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 4:48 PM

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found the best ux

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jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 4:48 PM

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twitch prime

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 4:48 PM

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sorry, Prime Gaming**

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 4:49 PM

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that's true

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 4:50 PM

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now the launch button feels unnaturally large...

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safe hamlet Feb 12, 2021, 5:43 PM

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this is shit

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you are missing an over-sized donate button

languid goblet Feb 12, 2021, 5:44 PM

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where's the button that buys GME

knotty monolith Feb 12, 2021, 5:45 PM

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I like launch game being big, for clarity

languid goblet Feb 12, 2021, 5:45 PM

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i still think it's a good idea to have two buttons for vanilla/modded though
is there another area where that would go?

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 5:46 PM

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so SF's idea was to separate them by separate profiles

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currently a profile is distinguished as a combination of install & modded assembly

languid goblet Feb 12, 2021, 5:47 PM

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i thought one profile = one install
so most people would only have one profile

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 5:48 PM

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most people would still have one profile w/ this system, it would just be ModdingAPI

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however, SF's idea is to have a "Vanilla" profile and a "Modded" profile

languid goblet Feb 12, 2021, 5:49 PM

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oh
i just feel like that's unnecessary if you can have the installer launch either a modded/vanilla
since all you have to do is swap out assembly-csharp.dll

knotty monolith Feb 12, 2021, 5:56 PM

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I assume the utility would be for downpatching

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Maybe using one of those weird white palace skin mods that involve replacing a bunch of asset files???????

ornate rivet Feb 12, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Is there a way to fix tk2d gameobjects that I got from Utiny Ripper without using preloading the gameobject myself?

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eg godseeker in the boss arenas

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maybe I should do the thing sfg does where I copy from the original scene while the transition to my custom scene happens

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that sounds slow though

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 6:20 PM

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it's definetly slower than preloaded ofc and in your case preloading is also the better option as you only want godseeker
but the thing with fixing tk2d stuff from utiny ripper i have no clue about, actually never made scenes with stuff from utiny ripper

vocal spire Feb 12, 2021, 6:21 PM

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Maybe make some script for fixing it?

ornate rivet Feb 12, 2021, 6:22 PM

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was your suggestion really to fix it by programming zote

ornate rivet Feb 12, 2021, 6:22 PM

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jolly oriole it's definetly slower than preloaded ofc and in your case preloading is also the...

ok so only do that if the scene I'm using needs a ton of preloads

leaden hedge Feb 12, 2021, 6:22 PM

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thats how i fix all my problems in life

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if code cant fix it, nothing can

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 6:22 PM

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ornate rivet ok so only do that if the scene I'm using needs a ton of preloads

basically

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or if you preload from an unkown amount of scenes

ornate rivet Feb 12, 2021, 6:23 PM

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leaden hedge if code cant fix it, nothing can

too true

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alright

vocal spire Feb 12, 2021, 6:24 PM

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ornate rivet was your suggestion really to fix it by programming <:zote:562358113374568477>

Yes, as all computer things are sometimes fixed

north forge Feb 12, 2021, 9:02 PM

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It's not much, but I made a PSD file for a simple cloak color changer

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📎 Knight_Base.psd

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Instructions:
Needed- custom knight mod, any drawing application that can export into PNG transparent

1)Lock the transparency of the layer titled "cloak"

2)choose your color of cloak you would like to have

3)broadly fill in the light blue in the "cloak" layer

4)export as transparent PNG

5)put the PNG in a folder within the custom knight mod folder

It's not much but I thought I'd share this fun little additive to the custom knight mod c:

ornate rivet Feb 12, 2021, 9:07 PM

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nice

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 11:05 PM

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oh yeah @jolly oriole your merge is blocked on the installer if you fix it just ping me whenever

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:08 PM

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uh, what part of it isn't working?

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 11:10 PM

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merge conflict

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effort

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etc

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:11 PM

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??? your repo also has no open pull requests

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oh nvm

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i'm dumb

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 11:12 PM

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I gotta say that's not the installer

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:12 PM

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the installer

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let me quickly google how merge conflicts can be resolved

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@copper nacelle done

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 11:15 PM

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cool

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:29 PM

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oh my god

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i forgot to change some fucking method name when i pr'd modding api

vocal spire Feb 12, 2021, 11:29 PM

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F

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 11:30 PM

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rofl

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:31 PM

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i edited it in the copy that i use locally, but not in the one that i use for git stuff (don't ask why, could probably be one and the same)

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https://github.com/fifty-six/HollowKnight.Modding/pull/10/commits/d5c71e6b9a496717ba9839c74bd07f7565780d3e the biggest change known to mankind

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

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jolly oriole <https://github.com/fifty-six/HollowKnight.Modding/pull/10/commits/d5c71e6b9a496...

missed opportunity to name the pull that

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:35 PM

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nah, i care about naming conventions (not really, but i can pretend)

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 11:39 PM

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I need to update the api binary

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Terrible

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:40 PM

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is there a way that you can take like 50 hours to automate this 5-10 min task?

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 11:41 PM

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true af

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idk there's probably some ci thing

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I wanted to do xml validation on modlinks but it looked like a pain

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:42 PM

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though when you automate that you would also need to autocommit modlinks, for the new api version

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btw, if you're already at it, i may have more PR's the next hour

copper nacelle Feb 12, 2021, 11:43 PM

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lmao alright

jolly oriole Feb 12, 2021, 11:45 PM

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wait nvm, couldn't differentiate between modding api and mod for a second

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can continue to update binaries

deep wave Feb 12, 2021, 11:45 PM

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wrt what's going on w/ hkmanager: i've added several features to modlinks, only one change could be seen as "breaking", which is that multiple versions of a mod may exist with the same name. this can be easily fixed by appending the <branchname> though, and probably not a lot of effort to pass through when hkmanager is done. this is assuming i could update modlinks, rather than keeping 2 separate copies which seems like unneccessary pain

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(im also continuing to document #archived-modding-help happenings with intention to find ways to present solutions to basic questions easier)

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 2:09 AM

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with the mod summaries document, would mods that add custom content (scenes n stuff) go under Functional Changes, Asset Changes or Misc?

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 2:11 AM

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(imho i think custom content mods should have their own section considering how they've exploded in popularity)

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also another point; is there a particular reason that decorationmaster is not on modinstaller?

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 2:12 AM

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oh yea, things like decoration master too, i thought about mods like ToT & sanctuary

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 2:13 AM

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deep wave also another point; is there a particular reason that decorationmaster is not on...

it's certainly possible that the a26 github user (where all of the repos also are) just didn't pr the modlinks

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 2:14 AM

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and another dumb questions; why do we use a google drive for mods rather than something like a git repo? that way it would be easier to sync updates to mods & modlinks etc...

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 2:15 AM

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from my perspective i can say, you use gdrive, i put github release downloads in the modlinks for my mods

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speaking of, i need to remove the old copy of sfcore from the gdrive

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 2:17 AM

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but say a repo containing all the binaries + modlinks.xml was used; then you could simultaneously update the binary and modlinks in one clean commit, and that leaves a centralised place for people to download binaries that isn't the installer

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then again, i've seen people express issues with figuring out how to download files on github before...

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 2:18 AM

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true, but binaries in repos is generally not a good idea, especially for new people wanting to get their mods known, as cloning such a repo would take literal years

potent dirge Feb 13, 2021, 2:45 AM

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Github isn't a binary file hosting site, it's for source code bc of conventions + compiled binaries are significantly larger than the source code needed to produce said binaries

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 3:15 AM

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found a big colossal brained solution to not knowing what issues people are having with mods feelspkman

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copper nacelle Feb 13, 2021, 3:55 AM

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binaries in repos x5fiftAleph

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 3:56 AM

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documentation in ms word in repos is what my compsci teacher expects us to do 🥴

copper nacelle Feb 13, 2021, 4:01 AM

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x5fiftPrime

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 4:02 AM

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i know, having commits called "ms word go brrrrr" is a beautiful thing

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~~end me before this compsci course does~~

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Hey, came across a weird bug. loading my mod and i just have a Black screen now :/ - was working fine yesterday and not sure where to start?

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[INFO]:[DebugMod] - [DREAM GATE] File dreamgate.dat not found!

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wat

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 1:49 PM

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somber cliff [INFO]:[DebugMod] - [DREAM GATE] File dreamgate.dat not found!

that's normal, breaks nothing

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 1:49 PM

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somber cliff Hey, came across a weird bug. loading my mod and i just have a Black screen now ...

try looking in either modlog or output_log

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 1:52 PM

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only info messages in modlog - checking output_log now

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  at SceneOne.LoadScene.Start () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0```

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Seems to be some errors in output_log - might just do a diff between commits and see if the previous commit works.

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 2:59 PM

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somber cliff ``` at On.SceneManager.add_Start (On.hook_Start ) [0x00000] in <filename unknown...

Can you show the SceneOne.LoadScene.Start method?

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:00 PM

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        {
            On.GameManager.EnterHero += OnGameManagerEnterHero;
            On.SceneManager.Start += OnSceneManagerStart;
            On.GameManager.RefreshTilemapInfo += OnRefreshTileMapInfo;
            
            _sceneEditorManager = new SceneEditorManager();
        }

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Can you show the stuff in OnSceneManagerStart?

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:04 PM

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private void OnSceneManagerStart(On.SceneManager.orig_Start orig, SceneManager self)
        {
            var sceneName = GameManager.instance.sceneName;
            Modding.Logger.Log($"Entered into scene: {sceneName}");
            
            // Update SceneManager
            _sceneEditorManager.EditSceneManager(sceneName, self);
            orig(self);
        }

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well this is gonna go well

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 3:05 PM

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or a bit simpler, can you just post the whole stacktrace? the two lines indicate nearly nothing

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Yeah

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:07 PM

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📎 output_log.txt

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thanks - hate to be a pest. I will say this.

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i entered my new scene - killed myself but reloading worked fine. Then when i reclaimed my shade after that all scenes are simply black.

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no idea if that is the issue though

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 3:11 PM

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There is a null reference in SceneOne.LoadScene.OnGameManagerEnterHero

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Last part of the log

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:15 PM

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anyway we can catch these errors to determine where its coming from ?

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Could you show that method?

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:17 PM

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private void OnGameManagerEnterHero(On.GameManager.orig_EnterHero orig, 
            GameManager self, 
            bool additivegatesearch)
        {
            var sceneName = self.sceneName;
            Modding.Logger.Log($"[{sceneName}] Entered GameManagerOnEnterHero");
            
            // Update scene
            _sceneEditorManager.CreateScene(sceneName);
            StartCoroutine(CameraControl());
            orig(self, additivegatesearch);
        }

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Each scene has its own createScene method which is essentially

        {
            var sceneManagerObject = Instantiate(TheSanctuaryMod.PreloadedObjects["_SceneManager"]);
            sceneManagerObject.SetActive(true);
        }```

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Hmm

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What’s _sceneeditormanager

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:22 PM

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its just an abstract class, common methods like tilemap info and scene manager

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Where is it set

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:27 PM

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where is what set?

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scene manager?

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k, ill just try something wild - if i reinstall HK on steam does it preserve my saves or are my saves local?

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 3:33 PM

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you keep them

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:33 PM

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cool - so steam stores them and ill just get them back on install?

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just want to make 100% sure 🙂

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 3:34 PM

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they are locally stored but afaik they don't get deleted upon uninstall

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but they are also in steam cloud

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:35 PM

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cheers 👍

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that means thanks in my country not goodbye:)

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 3:46 PM

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somber cliff where is what set?

_sceneEditorManager

somber cliff Feb 13, 2021, 3:57 PM

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dll works on friends computer

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im gonna reinstall - must've broken something

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 3:57 PM

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It do be like that sometimes

ornate rivet Feb 13, 2021, 4:11 PM

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hmm I'm trying to load a custom non-godhome boss scene but I get this error

[ERROR]:[UNITY] - NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - SceneParticlesController.BeginScene ()
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - SceneParticlesController.SceneInit ()
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - GameCameras.StartScene ()
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - GameCameras.SceneInit ()
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - GameManager.BeginScene ()
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - GameManager+<BeginSceneTransitionRoutine>c__Iterator0+<BeginSceneTransitionRoutine>c__AnonStorey13.<>m__3 ()
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - SceneLoad+<BeginRoutine>c__Iterator0.MoveNext ()
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - UnityEngine.Debug:LogException(Exception)
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - <BeginRoutine>c__Iterator0:MoveNext()
[ERROR]:[UNITY] - UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine:InvokeMoveNext(IEnumerator, IntPtr)

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I spawn in the right spot and can move around but the screen is black (the ui is visible)

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fading in doesnt fix anything

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 4:12 PM

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Have you looked in SceneParticleController for a possible fix?

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*internet died

ornate rivet Feb 13, 2021, 4:13 PM

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this.sceneParticles.SceneInit(); is the very last line of GameCamera's beginscene

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    private void BeginScene()
    {
        this.gm = GameManager.instance;
        this.sm = this.gm.sm;
        if (this.sm == null)
        {
            this.sm = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectOfType<SceneManager>();
        }
        this.gc = GameCameras.instance;
        if (this.gm.IsGameplayScene() && !this.gm.IsCinematicScene())
        {
            if (!this.sm.noParticles)
            {
                this.EnableParticles();
            }
            else
            {
                this.DisableParticles();
            }
        }
        else
        {
            this.DisableParticles();
        }
    }

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the error happens there

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 4:15 PM

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Why is GameManager having a null reference

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Ok

ornate rivet Feb 13, 2021, 4:25 PM

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so scenemanager was null and I fixed that but the screen still wont display properly

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 5:41 PM

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but a different error this time, right?

ornate rivet Feb 13, 2021, 5:42 PM

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nope

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 5:43 PM

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you sure?

ornate rivet Feb 13, 2021, 5:45 PM

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yea

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looking for one in output log rn

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yea no

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 10:11 PM

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according to stackoverflow, this should force enable tls 1.2, but i have no way to test it currently zote

ServicePointManager.SecurityProtocol |= SecurityProtocolType.Tls12;```

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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can you even force it if it's disabled on OS level?

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 10:14 PM

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if i'm interpreting this correctly, windows 7 does support tls 1.2, but it is disabled by default. any application should be able to force enable it to run

vocal spire Feb 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Why was this suddenly happening though? Before like a couple weeks ago I haven’t seen this before

jolly oriole Feb 13, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Per the TLS-SSL Settings article, for TLS 1.1 and 1.2 to be enabled and negotiated on Windows 7, you MUST create the "DisabledByDefault" entry in the appropriate subkey (Client) and set it to "0". These subkeys will not be created in the registry since these protocols are disabled by default.

as i understand this, the reg keys need to exist, which don't get set by default

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from the link you posted

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 10:26 PM

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This update will not change the behavior of applications that are manually setting the secure protocols instead of passing the default flag.``` seems like you are right maybe? this seems contradictory

deep wave Feb 13, 2021, 10:57 PM

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ig here is build w/ attempted fix and updates disabled, if anyone can replicate the issue then could they try this one?

📎 ModInstaller.exe

sage hearth Feb 14, 2021, 12:34 AM

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does anyone have the ak-47 mod

ornate rivet Feb 14, 2021, 12:34 AM

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it's on the modinstaller

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and that's a modding-help question

sage hearth Feb 14, 2021, 12:36 AM

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ornate rivet it's on the modinstaller

what is the name of the mod?

ornate rivet Feb 14, 2021, 12:36 AM

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hollow point

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and again, that question should go in modding-help

sage hearth Feb 14, 2021, 12:37 AM

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ops

heavy patrol Feb 14, 2021, 10:40 AM

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Good news for anyone who cares, I've successfully added Vibration (for a gamepad) back to the PC version, though currently it is just limited to a few triggers

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I did it through modifying the HeroController class directly, so it's not exactly the best practice but it does work

jolly jungle Feb 14, 2021, 10:53 AM

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Vibration?

heavy patrol Feb 14, 2021, 10:54 AM

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jolly jungle Vibration?

As in, the vibration for a gamepad

jolly jungle Feb 14, 2021, 10:54 AM

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Oh, cool

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idk what that means but good work hollowknice

heavy patrol Feb 14, 2021, 10:54 AM

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Controller go Brrrr

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XD

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Oh, duh Gamepad is just a controller, like an Xbox one or ps4 controller

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Sorry haha

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 11:38 AM

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hey whats the easiest way to take a look at fsm's for enemy/boss behaviour without actual modding knowledge

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 11:40 AM

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https://github.com/nesrak1/HollowKnightFSMView/releases
Download and extract FSMViewR2.zip

GitHub

Releases · nesrak1/HollowKnightFSMView

View Playmaker FSMs from Hollow Knight. Contribute to nesrak1/HollowKnightFSMView development by creating an account on GitHub.

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 11:40 AM

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thanks

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 11:41 AM

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There's a pin here for the scene names where you can find non boss enemies

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 11:46 AM

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uh it appears to crash if i try to open the scene list

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am i doing something wrong?

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

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every time?

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

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yup

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 11:47 AM

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it crashes for me too
but only sometimes

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Maybe download an earlier release?

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 11:50 AM

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Can also try https://github.com/nesrak1/FSMViewAvalonia/releases

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 11:51 AM

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i tried release 1 and beta 7 and both crashed so doesn't seem like earlier releases help

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ill try that one grenade

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 11:52 AM

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Do you have the game on steam?

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 11:52 AM

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i do

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was i supposed to extract them in the game directory?

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 11:53 AM

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It crashed for me when i didnt have it in steam, as it seachs steam hk path

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 11:53 AM

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oh might it be because the game i have in the default directory is on 1221?

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 11:53 AM

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But no

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Possible

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Highly likely

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 11:56 AM

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okay yeah, switching my default install to cp did fix the crash so thats nice

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its a bit unfortunate though cause 1221 behaviour specifically is what i'm looking for, but it should be the same for most stuff

jolly jungle Feb 14, 2021, 11:59 AM

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worn eagle There's a pin here for the scene names where you can find non boss enemies

Where's the list? If you can link the message

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Also nice pfp italy itssoulgood

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 12:00 PM

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Can't copy the msg link for some reason so here's the drive with the labeled scenes:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1VwVbCjU8uPV4V3cDu_Tr1TgEs01hMSFr

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 12:01 PM

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thanks for the help

potent dirge Feb 14, 2021, 12:12 PM

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It would still be super cool if the fsmviewer was version agnostic

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But also effort

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 12:15 PM

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potent dirge It would still be super cool if the fsmviewer was version agnostic

i think one could ask @dark wigeon if it's possible to make something like this

potent dirge Feb 14, 2021, 12:20 PM

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Yea we've talked a bit about it in the past, Nes thought it shouldve been but it turned out it wasn't (even with the different database files)

fair rampart Feb 14, 2021, 2:24 PM

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will hollow knight mods work with silksong

ornate rivet Feb 14, 2021, 2:27 PM

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no

fair rampart Feb 14, 2021, 2:28 PM

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oh ok grubsad

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wiat

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I should use this server emoji

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anyone know how to download spritepacker?

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i'm planning on making myself a skin

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 2:36 PM

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https://github.com/magegihk/HollowKnight.SpritePacker/releases/download/v1.3.3/SpritePacker1.3.3.zip

vocal spire Feb 14, 2021, 2:37 PM

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fair rampart anyone know how to download spritepacker?

There’s instructions in the pins of #modding-discussion

fair rampart Feb 14, 2021, 2:37 PM

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funky, thanks

vocal spire Feb 14, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Along with a pre godumped knight

fair rampart Feb 14, 2021, 2:39 PM

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oh god it's all in chinese

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gd_why

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there we go

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time to get creative

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 4:05 PM

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potent dirge Yea we've talked a bit about it in the past, Nes thought it shouldve been but it...

It is, if the wpf version isn't, the new avalonia remake should

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Although they both use cldb so if you don't swap they'll both crash

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Easy two line fix to swap to tpk

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Well I can try later, I think I still have 1.0 HK installed

potent dirge Feb 14, 2021, 4:32 PM

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dark wigeon It is, if the wpf version isn't, the new avalonia remake should

Actually, where does the fsm viewer look for the files to analyse? Is it like one set folder (eg steam path or something)?

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No matter what, bc even opening the 1221/downpatched files back then manually ended in it crashing

jolly jungle Feb 14, 2021, 4:40 PM

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fair rampart will hollow knight mods work with silksong

No, but we can make new ones for Silksong

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 4:42 PM

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potent dirge Actually, where does the fsm viewer look for the files to analyse? Is it like on...

If you use just regular open then it only opens that file and any dependencies it needs in the same folder

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Open scene list uses steam

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sseadv has a newer system that lets you choose steam or any path you want

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 4:58 PM

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@copper nacelle if you haven't figured out another way to make the vector3's work, here is one
https://github.com/fifty-six/HollowKnight.Modding/pull/11

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though tbh, the not list field didn't work for me last time i tried that, but the values in the lists worked fine, though they should use the exact same piece of code

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 6:19 PM

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weary oyster its a bit unfortunate though cause 1221 behaviour specifically is what i'm looki...

please try this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tqlwvpie9D4CG_pAZiOlsYlHKgPfa6tH/view?usp=sharing

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 6:43 PM

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jolly oriole <@159242762082844672> if you haven't figured out another way to make the vector3...

vanilla was already in the gitignore

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it's near the bottom

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 6:46 PM

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... fuck

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 7:02 PM

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dark wigeon please try this https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tqlwvpie9D4CG_pAZiOlsYlHKgPfa6t...

access denied grubsad

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damn i actually meant to ping with that @dark wigeon

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Wdym access denied

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Should be public with link

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 7:03 PM

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it does not appear to be

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Try now

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 7:03 PM

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gives me the usual you need to request access google thing

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 7:04 PM

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I just clicked the option again

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 7:04 PM

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there we go

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umm what do i do with it since it doesnt have the scene list thingy?

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Go into hollow_knight_Data and open one of the level files

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#archived-modding-development message to match which level number is what scene

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 7:15 PM

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okay yeah it's definitely able to open 1221 level files

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i think the numbers are off in that file though because of patch differences

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Ah probably

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That scene list is from the most recent version

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 7:16 PM

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yeah that makes sense

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with luck just removing any new rooms added in 1.3/1.4 would sync it back up

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 7:16 PM

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I can add a scene selector I just have to port it from wpf

weary oyster Feb 14, 2021, 7:17 PM

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that'd be pretty cool

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 8:52 PM

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since hk (runs?) on top of net35, will c++ interop only work with the v90 platform toolset (< C++11)?

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 9:03 PM

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you can extern w/ the c abi with whatever

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:08 PM

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idk much about the c abi, are you just saying you can expose a c++ function with any toolchain?

safe hamlet Feb 14, 2021, 9:09 PM

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yeah should be able to

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 9:09 PM

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just extern "C" and you can use whatever

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:10 PM

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huh, last time I tried the functions just weren't getting called until I downgraded to v90

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had to make some risky downloads to get vs 2008

safe hamlet Feb 14, 2021, 9:10 PM

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🥴

vocal spire Feb 14, 2021, 9:10 PM

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🤔

safe hamlet Feb 14, 2021, 9:12 PM

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i mean i was able to use extern calls on discordrpc sdk just fine, and i am pretty sure that wasn't using any ancient versions

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:13 PM

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vs 2010 on the web archive that I use http://web.archive.org/web/20111016110147/http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/E/5/1E5F1C0A-0D5B-426A-A603-1798B951DDAE/VS2010Express1.iso

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:23 PM

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this works (compiled in vs2019, imported in c# [don't know which version/framework though]), so more complicated stuff also should just work.
and please don't ask why i needed this

📎 unknown.png

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 9:25 PM

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why'd you even do it in c++

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It's 2 c functions

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Just dllimport

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:25 PM

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some times the simple things are too difficult to do

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 9:26 PM

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arguable

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:26 PM

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i searched on google and stackoverflow gave me that code

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 9:26 PM

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bruh

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:26 PM

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would y'all discourage using asio standalone for cross platform sockets

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 9:27 PM

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like boost asio?

safe hamlet Feb 14, 2021, 9:27 PM

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nah i used it, i liked it honestly

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:27 PM

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yeah

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 9:30 PM

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idk sounds like it'd be performant

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:30 PM

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if you're trying to get binary data from a to b, consider also using either boost json or boost serialization (boost serialization might have lower storage footprint)

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:34 PM

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what are you trying to do natively anyway

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:34 PM

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ig I should just announce my intentions: I'm wondering if handling networking from the C++ side would make the multiplayer mod more...stable?

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:34 PM

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i mean, in that case, you could try using unity's built in networking functionality

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:34 PM

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I would say it would make it less stable, I wouldn't try to pinvoke my way through networking

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:37 PM

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guess I should start looking at the llapi

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...which seems to have a lack of documentation

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:42 PM

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https://docs.unity3d.com/2017.4/Documentation/Manual/UNetUsingTransport.html

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:42 PM

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what is the current multiplayer mod using

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is there even a repo for it

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:42 PM

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.net sockets

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https://github.com/jngo102/HollowKnight.Multiplayer

GitHub

jngo102/HollowKnight.Multiplayer

Contribute to jngo102/HollowKnight.Multiplayer development by creating an account on GitHub.

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:46 PM

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huh that's kind of weird

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I mean you can either use unity's libs or one of the other networking frameworks out there in c#

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don't think you need to jump straight to c++ for this

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:48 PM

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llapi would have probably been easier to switch to, as currently with the sockets it's already also low level

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:48 PM

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ah I guess so

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:48 PM

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and this is why customknight wasn't programmed with unet from the start: <#archived-modding-development message>

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:49 PM

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would unet really be more stable? I'm a bit worried about its deprecated state

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:49 PM

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it's deprecated?

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:49 PM

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unity 2017 is deprecated too

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:49 PM

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true true

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:50 PM

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I don't know what mlapi is though

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MLAPI is compatible with Unity 2019 and newer versions.

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so you wouldn't be able to use their alternative anyway

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:51 PM

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mid level? lol

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:51 PM

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https://mlapi.network/

MLAPI

Game Networking Stack

dark wigeon Feb 14, 2021, 9:51 PM

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well yes I know what it stands for, not how it's better than the other two they've made

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:52 PM

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i have no clue

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apparently being old makes it good

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i may have purposely read over "and actively developed" but that doesn't matter

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:54 PM

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looks like the mlapi is supposed to be used in-editor?

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:56 PM

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apparently

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wait no

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mlapi.dll is the runtime

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 9:57 PM

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oh I didn't read what nes said, can't use it anyway

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 9:57 PM

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oh yea, and that

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:02 PM

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just using a different api isn't really going to help

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:08 PM

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how would you go about it? ik fire was looking for you to potentially rewrite the mod so maybe I can provide a little help

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:10 PM

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if you want to make it less laggy, you need to either implement lockstep or rollback

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:11 PM

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yeah I tried to implement a library called BackRoll but I think it's for a newer version of unity

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:11 PM

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theres libraries for unity for both, but they require rewriting scripts so it'd probably have to be knight only, with other objects just being extrapolated

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:12 PM

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so no different from the current version

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:13 PM

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afaik knights on the current version aren't predictive

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or if they are, they have shit predictions

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and/or massive amounts of delay

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:13 PM

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they def don't, I just meant the current version is knight only

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:14 PM

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oh yeah, i mean it does let knights hit other entities over the net

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:14 PM

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that's just cause the local player's own slash prefab gets instantiated when another player slashes

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:15 PM

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its a pretty large task, because it'll likely require reprogramming and redesigning the knight

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as he currently has 0 delay to all his actions, which makes predictions extremely poor, and super teleporty

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:17 PM

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do you have anything in mind for when the mod just doesn't work until a restart?

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:21 PM

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who knows, you'd have to debug what its doing, i couldn't even tell you if its
client not sending updates
server not listening for updates
server not relaying updates
client not listening for updates

i'd assume its on client side, unless theres a pepega bug in the server code

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:23 PM

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I wouldn't doubt it

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so...you'd recommend sticking with .net sockets?

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idk if rollback libraries do their own networking stuff

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well, ik ggpo does with udp

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:25 PM

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i think unet sockets have insane delay

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i would definitely move away

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definitely try to implement udp

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and also make the packets as small as possible

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:30 PM

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mhm, quite a few things in the current version can be narrowed to bytes and using dicts that map to bytes instead of strings

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 10:33 PM

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why the fuck does playerdata consist of 1526 fields

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:33 PM

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yes

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 10:34 PM

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you gotta

fair rampart Feb 14, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Yes_chad

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 10:36 PM

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any qualms about the backend stuff w protocols?

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or maybe even the mods' structure? i.e. should it be p2p instead of client-server?

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 10:38 PM

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does c# support bitfields in structs?

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:38 PM

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yeah pretty sure it does

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 10:39 PM

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imma quickly make a struct with bitfields for the entierty of playerdata

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:39 PM

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with attributes i think you can set the position of the var

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 10:41 PM

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though with c++ classes, cause i know that bitfields definetly work there

leaden hedge Feb 14, 2021, 10:44 PM

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also p2p will always have less lag than client-server

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unless you have a time travelling server

copper nacelle Feb 14, 2021, 10:49 PM

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yeah you just set the struct layout to explicit and you can set the field offset

jolly oriole Feb 14, 2021, 11:12 PM

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i fucking hate the ints that are only used in fsms

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int xunFlowerBrokeTimes : 32;

just in case people want to try breaking it

worn eagle Feb 14, 2021, 11:53 PM

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does ggpo only send udp packets?

leaden hedge Feb 15, 2021, 12:03 AM

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After punch through yeah it should be only udp

worn eagle Feb 15, 2021, 12:09 AM

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do you want this mod to behave the same way?

leaden hedge Feb 15, 2021, 12:25 AM

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That's just how networking should be, udp for anything that isn't a 100% necessary send

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TCP for anything that has to be sent, like connection, chat, disconnect, scene changes ig

worn eagle Feb 15, 2021, 12:41 AM

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for modsettings, would I do something like this?

HallowNet.Instance.GlobalSettings.StringValues.TryGetValue("Host", out string host);

given that settings are declared like

private Settings _settings = new Settings();
public override ModSettings GlobalSettings
{
    get => _settings;
    set => _settings = (Settings) value;
}

copper nacelle Feb 15, 2021, 12:44 AM

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StringValues x5fiftAleph

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just declare a field

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but the settings are like that yeah

heavy patrol Feb 15, 2021, 1:14 AM

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So I'm wanting to trigger controller vibration through the API, but one of the actions I want to trigger it is a hard fall being done. I'm not very familiar with modding, but since there doesn't seem to be a hook for that would I be unable to accomplish this solely through the API?

copper nacelle Feb 15, 2021, 1:16 AM

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Yeah you can just use MonoMod's hooks

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On.HeroController.WhateverItsCalled

worn eagle Feb 15, 2021, 1:20 AM

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unityexplorer is fucking cool

potent dirge Feb 15, 2021, 3:18 AM

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copper nacelle StringValues <:x5fiftAleph:800924040885829632>

Are you saying you don't love parsing strings for efficiency feelspkman

unborn flicker Feb 15, 2021, 3:24 AM

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As I understand it, bad programmers leave magic numbers in their code. Good programmers leave magic strings in their code feelspkman

jolly oriole Feb 15, 2021, 9:19 AM

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just leave magic code in your code

jolly oriole Feb 15, 2021, 10:38 AM

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c++ style and optimized for vanilla hk

📎 PlayerData.h

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without the strings and lists in playerdata the whole struct only uses 272 bytes (though i did leave a few bools out, but these bools are only conv and stuff)

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now the painfull task of inputting values to check how large a maxed out save would be

jolly oriole Feb 15, 2021, 3:18 PM

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nvm, didn't change a thing, but either way i guess normal json is the best for cross system compatibility

jolly oriole Feb 15, 2021, 3:41 PM

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https://github.com/SFGrenade/LanguageSupport/releases/tag/v2.0 more languages, because why not

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incompatible with DecorationMaster though

worn eagle Feb 15, 2021, 7:03 PM

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does returning to the menu title force destroy all objects, including those marked with dontdestroyonload?

copper nacelle Feb 15, 2021, 7:07 PM

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no

worn eagle Feb 15, 2021, 7:10 PM

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dunno why my stuff's not showing up then

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the modmanager doesn't have to get reinstantiated every time does it

jolly oriole Feb 15, 2021, 7:14 PM

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oh great, with how the api handles null values being passed back

📎 unknown.png

copper nacelle Feb 15, 2021, 7:19 PM

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what

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idk about the modmanager thing, it might tbqh

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the faux ui manager doesn't at least but I didn't see a don't destroy on the mod manager

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it logs on init so you should at least see something

jolly oriole Feb 15, 2021, 7:25 PM

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copper nacelle what

about the image i sent or italy's message?

copper nacelle Feb 15, 2021, 7:55 PM

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the what was for you

jolly oriole Feb 15, 2021, 7:58 PM

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that part crashes, as playerdata expects that mapZoneBools can be null, which results in the modhooks getting a null as orig object, which results in if (v.Equals(varInternal) || gotValue) (in ModHooks.GetPlayerVariable) crashing, as v is null

copper nacelle Feb 15, 2021, 8:00 PM

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ah

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Terrible