hk-discussion

[foggy meadow]

Funnily enough I think P3 I'm best at

[dense fjord]

Exactly

[foggy meadow]

But collector is ass with nail binding

[prime oxide]

I'm gonna try beating radiant nosk tomorrow

[foggy meadow]

Nosk is boring

Funny how Winged Nosk ends up being easier

[prime oxide]

Ascended nosk took me more than radiant nkg

[foggy meadow]

Oh I beat him ascended first try

Radiant though no thanks

[peak warren]

hello

[tacit spear]

Good luck ^_^

[tacit spear]

Hi orange ^_^

[peak warren]

i just beat absolute radiance

finally

[versed flame]

hey what charms did you guys use for radiance

[zinc delta]

oro and mato time

[versed flame]

hello

[zinc delta]

hi

[naive sonnet]

i lost r2 no nosk again

this would be no problem if p2 used nosk's ascended arena

i really detest nosk's normal arena

[prime oxide]

That makes is a lot harder

Normal arena is easy

Just stick to the corners

[versed flame]

can someone tell me how to beat readiance

[prime oxide]

Absolute or normal

[naive sonnet]

idk i find nosk's arena significantly easier on ascended

[versed flame]

normal

[dawn tulip]

Should I do path of pain get final nail upgrade or do nkg first

[prime oxide]

Do you have all 11 charm notches?

[versed flame]

no ten

[prime oxide]

I recomend getting the last one

[versed flame]

ok thanks

[prime oxide]

And use op charms like, strength, quickslash shaman stone etc

[grand crest]

'

[atomic gust]

My lover found brooding mawleck as his second boss

Im gonna cry

[willow cave]

my third ever boss was mawlek, it was pleasant

[atomic gust]

He missed the false knight somehow??!

He couldnt even find greenpath just straight to mawleck 😭

[dapper coral]

the entire bottom row

@dapper coral

[proud haven]

Hi bakas

[proud haven]

Based

[buoyant magnet]

Hello guy i remember

[naive sonnet]

i'm getting oblobbled

[maiden echo]

Oblobbles radiant? I barely know Kent!

[proud haven]

Hi Hero

[urban mason]

I DIED ON PURE VESSEL IN PANTHEON 5 NOOOOO

[proud haven]

That's so sad fr

[buoyant magnet]

Dont worry I cant beat him either

[urban mason]

I managed to go from uumuu as my best to pure vessel 😭

[naive sonnet]

to make it worse i'm doing r2
so like 75% of my runs are just thrown away at oblobbles

[maiden echo]

What's r2

[naive sonnet]

hitless pantheon 2

r stands for radiant

[maiden echo]

Ohhhh

[naive sonnet]

even though a radiant pantheon is sorta a meaningless term

it's just hittles p2

i've gotten to nosk twice

[maiden echo]

Actually hitless p5 is just radiant p5

Arenas are already ascended and if you get hit you lose so

[digital abyss]

bosses have different hp in pantheons

[naive sonnet]

so using r for hitless pantheons is technically incorrect except for the one that's entirely unrealistic for 99.9% of people to get

that's funny

[maiden echo]

Oh yeahhh

[dry bone]

still good for practice tho

[naive sonnet]

to be fair r4 is also unfeasibly difficult for a comically large majority too so 5's not unique there

[keen thorn]

It's a bit weird

But R5 stands for hitless P5 not radiant P5

Radiant does involve the increased hp and allows carefree melody and baldur

[silver spoke]

I beat p5 (I know 91 hours is trash)

[keen thorn]

91 is not bad wdym

Gg

[dry bone]

i have 90

and i still have to beat abs rad

[keen thorn]

What's bad is the fact you didn't get 112% before P5:

[naive sonnet]

i've done both r1 and p1ab and i've gotten up to nosk on both r2 and p2ab and they're pretty equal in difficulty

[silver spoke]

i'd rather beat p5 5 times in a row then do flower quest

[dry bone]

flower quest is easy

[keen thorn]

Yeah, as worshipper said, they're pretty close

[dry bone]

u can kill most enemies

[keen thorn]

I wouldn't say one is harder than another

[dry bone]

w/o resting on a bemch

[keen thorn]

The only edges I'd give are P3 and P4 to ab mainly because of collector and double damage bosses respectively

[naive sonnet]

my final count on my first save file where i beat p5 isn't even at 100

[keen thorn]

Why...

[naive sonnet]

didn't feel like it

[silver spoke]

prob why you have so many hours

because you got none of the gear

though I cant judge at least you have all masks

[dry bone]

yea

[naive sonnet]

i also am missing one charm notch

[dry bone]

shouldve def get those

[keen thorn]

Why the fuck

[dry bone]

especcially ddark

[marble lodge]

What hk related discord should I discuss hk speedruns in

[dry bone]

no ddark is like a handicap

[keen thorn]

Hksr

Let me find a link

[silver spoke]

whats a decent time for beating hollowknight

[naive sonnet]

i remember i looked up where abyss shriek was because felt that would be really cool to have
i would still actively skip ddark in a casual playthrough

[silver spoke]

I got 2h 44min

[keen thorn]

https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD

You'll find lots of cool people there

[dry bone]

like speedrun?

[naive sonnet]

i only use it on dung defender

[silver spoke]

yeah

[marble lodge]

Thanks

[keen thorn]

I'd say a decently good Speedrun is about one hour

[silver spoke]

dang

I need to learn these skips lol

[dry bone]

it takes me an hour to beat the watcher knights 😭

[naive sonnet]

i did 1 hour 57 minutes which from what i can gather is Fine

[keen thorn]

I mean, to get a decent time you mostly just need to not die, skip wings and Isma's, and do shade skip into dreamnail

You don't even need qga or epogo

[dry bone]

to shade skip, you need to die...

[keen thorn]

Not die unintentionally

[silver spoke]

Im on current patch how do I change my patch

so I can do epogo

[naive sonnet]

only skip i used was the watcher tower without wings skip

[keen thorn]

It's a decently big ordeal, idk how to do it personally, but you can just run current patch

With my good movement, but like 5 deaths and no practice I got like 58 minutes in current patch

I did do qga tho

[silver spoke]

tf

[naive sonnet]

watcher knights is hard comparative to other base game bosses but comparative to dlc bosses it's like low top 15

[dry bone]

for me its the 5th hardest boss, but i find the hard bosses easier than others

[keen thorn]

In general I'm an exceptionally skilled player even if it isn't in the overworld.
But my five deaths make up for that to other players

I was just playing with some friends

[silver spoke]

does qga save that much time

[keen thorn]

I got the second worst place

[keen thorn]

A couple of minutes iirc

[naive sonnet]

my top 5 is very strange

[keen thorn]

It's not a big deal you can just do fungal route

[naive sonnet]

most notably i would list pure vessel as harder (for me) than absolute radiance

[keen thorn]

Also you can even get a nail upgrade if you desire for a decent time

To be competitive you have to go for lots of really hard stuff

But you begin by having fun and just playing for decent times

[keen thorn]

You can epogo current patch as well

[silver spoke]

uumuu base game is the hardest boss BECAUSE QUIRELL FEELS LIKE TAKING HIS SWEET TIME

[keen thorn]

It's just different

[dry bone]

i found pv insanely hard when i first started fighthing, but onc i learned his attacks i immediately did him in radiant

[keen thorn]

It's every 3 attacks

So it's just uumuu rng

More long attacks more time

[naive sonnet]

specifically my top 5 is

1. pure vessel
2. absolute radiance
3. nightmare king grimm
4. failed champion
5. oro and mato

as i said

[zealous skiff]

is it 3 attacks always or ≤ to 3

[naive sonnet]

very strange top 5 hardest

[silver spoke]

get nightmare king grim off the list

ngl

[zealous skiff]

because i swear gh uumuu does less than 3 sometimes but idk

maybe im dementia

[dry bone]

nkg is def top 5

[keen thorn]

Godhome it's every 2 lol

[naive sonnet]

oh my god someone who'll actually argue that nkg isn't specifically the third hardest

[dry bone]

it depends

[naive sonnet]

never seen that before

[dry bone]

if u get good oomu rng

[keen thorn]

Overworld every 3 although there's a chance it's 2 sometimes

[zealous skiff]

? its normally attack attack ooma which would be every 3

[marble lodge]

Genio how active is this community? The last post was from an hour ago in speedruning general

[keen thorn]

It's always two, but you can get long attacks which is slow

[dry bone]

i have to line them up

[keen thorn]

Well if you count ooma as an attack

[marble lodge]

HKSR is super silent rn

[silver spoke]

Markoth and Failed champion combo just isnt fair

[naive sonnet]

as is quite well known here pure vessel is the only radiant i don't have

[dry bone]

he just checks everysingle tick on my playstyle

[keen thorn]

Uh well idk

Uhm

[naive sonnet]

markoth - failed champion makes zoteless p5 slightly harder for me than normal p5 with zote lol

[keen thorn]

It's more active than #speedrunning at least

[carmine lava]

i don't think the speedrun server reflects how active the general community is

[silver spoke]

yeah thank god my friends told me not to save bro

[keen thorn]

He's specifically asking about the Sr server because I sent him there, he wants to learn speedrunning

But yeah it's quite dead

[naive sonnet]

when i did zoteless p5 i didn't die of course because i have a lot of experience with both

but if i killed zote on my first playthrough that combo would kill me endlessly

[keen thorn]

Wait, I had a brilliant idea for a challenge

P5AB random order true boss rush

[dry bone]

u can do an infinite stagger on failed champion

[keen thorn]

[carmine lava]

what is true boss rush

[silver spoke]

1. PureVessel
2. Abs Rad
   3.Failed Champion
   4.Markoth
3. Uumuu (in speedruns)

[keen thorn]

No benches

[silver spoke]

top 5 hardest

[keen thorn]

So you don't heal, get soul or lifeblood

[dry bone]

u can heal in between

like get off 3-5

[keen thorn]

Pretty mid challenge in general

But

[carmine lava]

doesn't sound very interesting

[keen thorn]

With random P5AB it sounds a bit interesting

[carmine lava]

given how easy p5ab becomes

[cinder jackal]

it's two more often than not

[carmine lava]

hi vyper

[cinder jackal]

hi quant

[silver spoke]

NKG is easily the most consistent boss in the game

[keen thorn]

Ah ty zvy. It's the first that must be 3 right?

Or I'm just misremembering

[carmine lava]

not me having like a 10 cycle uumuu on my any% pb

[cinder jackal]

3 is first no extra yea

[keen thorn]

@marble lodge zvy is a speedrunner so she should know what's going on

[cinder jackal]

simply the uumuu experience until practicing it specifically

[keen thorn]

[keen thorn]

Wdym? If you mean the soul part of the challenge is to just go ahead to the boss

[proud haven]

Hi super sigmas

[keen thorn]

But also in AB you have 1 heal

[carmine lava]

hi connor

[keen thorn]

Hello

[proud haven]

:DD

Is speedrunning any% in hk fun

ik it's like subjective

[carmine lava]

i like it but i don't have any motivation to continue with it

[marble lodge]

Well may I ask speedruning related questions @cinder jackal? We can move to #speedrunning if you wish.

[cinder jackal]

really fun until like early 32s yea

[proud haven]

I've never even tried it before

[cinder jackal]

personally i found it fun forever though

[carmine lava]

i prefer to just do runs and not practice and that doesn't really work out it seems

[proud haven]

I think I just wanna
I love pop and I'm tryna learn the silksong speedrun route rn and it's making me assume the hk one would be fun

[novel topaz]

im so done with white palace where the hell is path of pain

[cinder jackal]

ofc but moving channel is not really necessary

[proud haven]

Cuz even just the studying of it is really nifty to me

[keen thorn]

Imagine not practicing collector and just doing runs of P045

[proud haven]

I've mostly just been reading

[keen thorn]

[carmine lava]

it feels different to me when it's a boss challenge or a hitless challenge

[zealous skiff]

i mean tbf quantum could do that atp

[cinder jackal]

ibaldur

[carmine lava]

but practicing stuff specifically for a speedrun isn't something i'm interested in

[proud haven]

Is that needed fr

There's no way ong

[keen thorn]

To me personally speedrunning is just not my thing
I much prefer going at my own pace killing bosses

[proud haven]

I mostly enjoy teamcherry for letting me go really quickly and show off

Tbf

[cinder jackal]

if you do end up running any% I'd recommend just practicing watchers for a bit beforehand cause you'll most likely die if you're trying to go fast and blind

[proud haven]

so I think it's just the type of thing where if I put in enough practice I'll really enjoy improving

[carmine lava]

i am way too scared of the last like 4 bosses especially absrad

[proud haven]

Based I have an ab save for a reason fr

[cinder jackal]

no it saves like 30s not including slightly more consistent fights

[zealous skiff]

thats fair, 2 hits and you are dead

[proud haven]

Ah

[keen thorn]

Even to me AbsRad is scary

[carmine lava]

but i wanna do 045 someday

[marble lodge]

I am brand new to hollow knight speedrunning and I want some advice on how to start. I know the names of certain stuff like Epogo and I also know the concept of shade and Spell skips and pogo skips and I have gotten 112 completion but I am unsure where to start learning to speedrun

[keen thorn]

Mainly the fact 2 mistakes ends the whole run

[cinder jackal]

(you lose all this time to missing everything in gp)

[carmine lava]

planning to make 045 my first p5ab clear

[keen thorn]

Lmao

[zealous skiff]

samesies when i get to it

[cinder jackal]

what patch do you wanna run?

[carmine lava]

i've been planning on it for like 3 years lol

[proud haven]

yeah I'd just not do it fr

[keen thorn]

1221 is the faster and more popular and optimized patch, but you can still run latest patch, it's quite active as well

Mainly if you don't want to go through the hassle

[cinder jackal]

lp is more popular overall

[carmine lava]

oh nice, i didn't know you hadn't beaten p5ab

[keen thorn]

Really?!

[cinder jackal]

1221 is less accessible cause of performance issues and a slightly higher barrier of entry+console existing

[keen thorn]

Well, I think I'm going to do more P045

I'm just getting tired of collector

[cinder jackal]

and it also just sucks

[zealous skiff]

its so fucking slowwww

[marble lodge]

I can go down to 1221 as long as there would be no damage to my completion when I patch it back to do pantheons

[cinder jackal]

as a patch

[keen thorn]

I've been playing collector for days so I feel like I've been doing nothing lol

[zealous skiff]

i mean you havent tho

you've been getting better at the hardest boss by fr

[keen thorn]

I've been progression quite a kot

[zealous skiff]

exactly!

[cinder jackal]

if you don't enter any files in godhome/with anything from godseeker it should be completely fine

[naive sonnet]

for some reason the collector deeply disturbs me

[keen thorn]

I think I'm gonna practice more P5 collector rather than true 04

[cinder jackal]

but do backup your saves anyway

[zealous skiff]

wdym, like you start with 5 lifeblood and such?

[keen thorn]

And just do P045

[carmine lava]

honestly you could totally do 04r collector and still die to them in 045

[keen thorn]

5 lifeblood and 900hp

[zealous skiff]

yeah because once the minions start to overwhelm it takes quite a bit of effort to come back

and like you could take a bunch of hits in that time

[zealous skiff]

thats fair

[carmine lava]

yeah collector has very intense rng

[normal ether]

hi. I'm on the way to 112% and i'mi'm at 106% with 205hrs.

[carmine lava]

the fight is consistent but the difficulty range between waves is huge

[keen thorn]

But also I've just been getting a bit demotivated. I have two big team projects due and I haven't even talked with my team, and my house is still a bit of a mess that I want to get fixed so playing HK is starting to feel like a time waste even if I'm having fun

[marble lodge]

Okay once I go down to 1221 after backing everything up what should I do also is jt under the major patches you can easily go to like grimm troupe downpatch or will I have to use steam console

[keen thorn]

But then I watch YouTube for 3 hours

[marble lodge]

I do not know what patch 1221 is after all

[normal ether]

Ugh i hate collector

[ashen ginkgo]

@carmine lava poke

[carmine lava]

hi

[keen thorn]

You're talking to one of the world's best collector players lol

[cinder jackal]

anyways if you're running 1221, the guides fireb0rn made a few years back are still extremely good for getting into it, though a bit outdated ofc but they could realistically get you straight to sub 40, assuming you end up taking it there

[zealous skiff]

you could get 2 baldurs and a squit, or you could get 3 aspids with desynced attacks

[novel topaz]

well i found it

[carmine lava]

you could get 4 aspids lol

[zealous skiff]

@ashen ginkgo

[carmine lava]

i got 4 aspids earlier

[keen thorn]

FOUR ASPIDS?!!!!

[ashen ginkgo]

@zealous skiff

[zealous skiff]

wait i thought he always shoots 2-3 jars

[cinder jackal]

yeah 1.2.2.1 is in the steam betas menu

[normal ether]

I'I'm trying to beat pantheon 3 and i've gotton to sly, but collector is really annoying.

[novel topaz]

i reached the path of pain

[zealous skiff]

wait how does the minion cap work on collector again i forgot

[marble lodge]

Yeah. I actually watch fireborns videos.

[carmine lava]

well they didn't spawn at the same time

[keen thorn]

[zealous skiff]

ic

thats rough as hell

[cinder jackal]

btw how good is your pc

[keen thorn]

He can't spawn minions if there are at least 4 on screen
But they can overflow since waves are not of 1

[cinder jackal]

since 1221 is less optimized than current patch that's a bit important

[marble lodge]

I have a good pc

[carmine lava]

jars at a time in phase 2 is 2-3, no minions spawn if there are 4-6 minions alive

[naive sonnet]

one of the world's best collector players still hates it from what i can gather

amazing

[cinder jackal]

anything better than my pc should do just fine

[keen thorn]

He doesn't hate collector

[carmine lava]

i don't hate it

[zealous skiff]

okie makes sense

[carmine lava]

also a max of 2 of 1 kind of minion can spawn at the same time, so you can't have a wave of size 3 where all 3 spawns are baldurs

or well

[normal ether]

You don'tdon'tdon't

[carmine lava]

i could word that better probably

[keen thorn]

Wait theoretically
It is possible to get 5 aspids...

[marble lodge]

Wait. Forgot I no longer have Livesplit. Should reinstall it

[carmine lava]

yeah i guess so

[normal ether]

Srry, my keyboard is broken.

[cinder jackal]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH&si=mcpdbnxwJIkyIjuE what I'm referring to here btw

goes over everything important and still are easily some of the best resources for learning bosses

[zealous skiff]

you cant have a wave which is 3 of the same thing, i understand dw

[cinder jackal]

definitely

[marble lodge]

A thousand thanks.

[normal ether]

ay! You don't like hk if you don't like fireb0rn

[marble lodge]

I watch fireb0rn

[keen thorn]

He just did this an hour ago
https://youtu.be/D3EzEuo48UI?si=gVssUv9MsuuDlmqV

[zealous skiff]

guess i dont like hk

[normal ether]

Fireb0rn is fire!

[zealous skiff]

why is the madleine dying what thats so mean

[cinder jackal]

I'd also recommend joining the speedrunning discord for a ton of other resources and a nice place to chat and post your progress

[zealous skiff]

how could you

[marble lodge]

Fireb0rn is amazing

[marble lodge]

I am in there I just was not getting anyone but then I was recomended to you

[cinder jackal]

ah didn't see

[normal ether]

Ikr?

He is really good!

[heady skiff]

Fighting hornet 2 and I have major skill issue, what charms do I use?

[normal ether]

Ha!

[keen thorn]

Ah yeah, I told him to go there but apparently it's kinda dead rn

[marble lodge]

Get more notches and charms

[keen thorn]

Idk if it's active in general or not because I'm not active there lol

[cinder jackal]

you should follow this for setup over fire's guide tho

[heady skiff]

Where do I get more notches-

[keen thorn]

Then you appeared so like

The goat

[cinder jackal]

kinda is yea

[heady skiff]

Hold on

[normal ether]

Yeah

[cinder jackal]

it's mostly pb posting if anything

[marble lodge]

Look up a guide

[marble lodge]

But mostly sulubra

[uncut burrow]

How do yall beat sly

[devout thorn]

bro has less charm than me being at crossroads

[cinder jackal]

fairly decent

[runic shuttle]

that IS a pitiful amount of charms for being at hornet 2

[keen thorn]

Nope
The goat

I'm not taking any less

[marble lodge]

Practice in hall of the gods

[cinder jackal]

oh okay

[normal ether]

Yeah sulubra is the best sourcesource, thenthen.

[dreamy girder]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-kris-deltarune-deltarune-kris-chocolate-milk-deltarune-chocolate-milk-gif-9314253235063250718

[runic shuttle]

salubra is 4

theres one by defeating shrumal ogres

grimm

[cinder jackal]

i get true goat title next pb until then i'm washed casual

[runic shuttle]

fog canyon

[marble lodge]

Do shrumal ogres then if you do not have it

[normal ether]

I've beaten sly assended, but not yet in p3, because hornet 2 is draining my health.

[uncut burrow]

Is it normal to struggle more with sly than NKG

[devout thorn]

fr

[marble lodge]

It differs by person but depends on skill

[uncut burrow]

Oh okok

[marble lodge]

For me my brother beat NKG in 10 minutes while I took 5 hours

2 hours

[normal ether]

Uh uh!!! Nkg assended is thethe hardest!!

[uncut burrow]

I have tried beating p3 but hornet 2 is so hard to beat without losing like 5 masks and 0 soul

[normal ether]

Ha!

[marble lodge]

Well I have mastered the technique of outdamaging hornet

[full sail]

yo how can i make stuff that looks like the hk charms? I have new charm ideas but no way to make them look good

[normal ether]

It took me a hour but took my brother 1 month! Lol!!

[marble lodge]

Look at the designs and use one as a templet

[normal ether]

Same!!!

[full sail]

i just dont know what programs and tricks are good to remake that style

[uncut burrow]

What are the charms like? Use charms that could have similar effects and try using them as templates before remastering them

[torn horizon]

How much harder is the first boss to the second boss

[normal ether]

I don't have any mods, because i play on switch

[normal ether]

Not very

[torn horizon]

When dose it start to get hard

[uncut burrow]

Little difference in difficulty

[marble lodge]

I origionslly played on PS but moved over to PC after I failed to beat radiance before silksong I still have not beaten radiance on ps

[little gate]

right now

[heady skiff]

I hate it when people bash on me for not having enough charms

I don’t collect enough geo man

[marble lodge]

Also is it a bad idea to try to speedrun before doing P5 and steel soul? (I am doing Steel Soul on twitch

[normal ether]

@torn horizon have you just started hk? Because if you did there will be spoilers. Also it is the hardest game i've played ever.

[tepid shoal]

Any tips for getting past the 3rd Pantheon?

[limber cargo]

imo silksong is harder but iiwii

[marble lodge]

Fight in the hall of the gods to practice

[runic shuttle]

hollow knight isnt the hardest game its just really slow in the beginning

[normal ether]

I'm stuck there too!

[runic shuttle]

is the 3rd pantheon the one with sly

[normal ether]

Gosh. It feels like everybody here is trying to get past p3!

[marble lodge]

I jave done P4 in the past

[little gate]

if it's the hardest you've never played silksong

[marble lodge]

I am still suffering at P5 pantheon wise tho

[rich stone]

P3 is kinda a difficulty spike

[rich stone]

Which bosses

[normal ether]

No. I haven't. Because i'm making a rule for myself that i will get to the end of p5, then i can play silksong.

Also it is on my board.

[little gate]

i made the same rule for myself too lol

[static charm]

Dude…thats so mossed up…

[normal ether]

Ha

@little gate

[static charm]

what

[rich stone]

I actually found silksong early game really easy it did get harder though

[marble lodge]

I struggle to get past brothers, I can get past paintmaster okay but Sly is at a point where I am beaten up and if I get past NKG says hello

[rich stone]

For the brothers make sure to never stay in between them as they will attack you together there

[little gate]

in silksong i feel that u kinda adapt to the difficulty as u play

[marble lodge]

Although I am not cureently doing pantheons rn I only brought it up

[rich stone]

For sly just wait for the proper opportunity to attack and for NKG you just have to practice

[normal ether]

@little gate thats nice, because hollow knight certainty didn't

[little gate]

i came back to play hk after 2 months straight playing silksong and i found it pathetic

[rich stone]

Base game HK is really easy most people forget how easy it is after doing godhome stuff

[little gate]

fr

i would say that the wish ecstasy of the end in silksong is harder than the absolute radiance

[normal ether]

@rich stone fr

Is it day for any of you guys?

[rich stone]

It's morning for me

[normal ether]

GeeGeez! Its 9:30 pm for me!

Did everyeveryone leave?

Ah

[marble lodge]

Also patch 1221 is grimm troupe patch to confirm. Right?

[normal ether]

Idk

[rich stone]

It can be anything

[little gate]

it's 11pm for me

[normal ether]

Closer

I'm in America

[marble lodge]

9:45

[normal ether]

Yes!

[keen thorn]

Yes

1.0 is the release
1.1 is hidden dreams
1.2 is Grimm
1.3 is lifeblood
1.4 is godhome
1.5 is the final release

[rich stone]

That makes sence

[rich stone]

Isin't 1.5 the vertion where they nerfed some godhome bosses

[normal ether]

YOYOYOYOYOYOYOYO

TheThey nerfed godhome?

[keen thorn]

They mostly patched stuff

[cinder jackal]

1.5 dm in 1221

[rich stone]

Yea they had nerfed a lot of bosses and in some other DLCs buffed a lot of bosses

[cinder jackal]

they should update 1221 it's been a while

[normal ether]

Mmmm

[rich stone]

I think collector, PV, AbsRad and ummuu was nerfed

[normal ether]

I don't play withwith the dlcs

[keen thorn]

Collector and AbsRad got bug fixes

But idk about nerfs

[normal ether]

Dude uumuu REALLY NEEDED IT

[rich stone]

Didn't AbsRad used to have 2500hp

[buoyant magnet]

BRO PURE VESSEL IS THE WORST FUCKING BOSS EVER

Omg

HES ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE

[cinder jackal]

the dlcs are more like free expansions

[dark tiger]

horrible run

(46)

[marble lodge]

Do not slander one of the funnest bosses in the game just practice.

[dark tiger]

LOOOL

[keen thorn]

She has but she doesn't die at 0

721 iirc

[buoyant magnet]

I've literally been practicing the past 3 days that's the only thing ive been doing

Its the spikes attack

[normal ether]

Um...

[cinder jackal]

why did they do 721 over 720

[keen thorn]

It's tc

[rich stone]

Yea I know that but then in voidhome edition they lessen her hp to 2181

[marble lodge]

Let me give you a hint. Jump

[normal ether]

I haven't seen pure vessel yet.

[grim burrow]

first hornet now pure vessel why are the characters just deadass members of the server

[tacit spear]

Hi genio, bye ^_^

[cinder jackal]

how fun

[dark tiger]

niko

[grim burrow]

whats next is cornifer gonna start typing

[buoyant magnet]

How do you fucking jump if the spikes are 50 times taller then you

[rich stone]

You haven't seen pale king or radience yet

[marble lodge]

NIKO!

[tacit spear]

Hi zVypurr I haven't seen you in a while ^_^

[buoyant magnet]

Ur logic is actually terrible

[marble lodge]

No jumping gives you a better hitbox

[dark tiger]

niko...

[cinder jackal]

hi opal

you've seen me much more recently than you might think

[dark tiger]

watch my video cuh i jumped 50 times

[marble lodge]

You killed Niko... (My burden is Dead starts playing)

[tacit spear]

I think I just got on at the wrong times ^_^

[dark tiger]

🥀

[tacit spear]

I also should go ^_^

[cinder jackal]

goodest bye

[tacit spear]

Cya later sometime ^_^

[cinder jackal]

surely

[grim burrow]

[lilac talon]

this is my favorite fnaf character

[runic shuttle]

i loved grimm

[marble lodge]

Who asked?

[grim burrow]

i did

[lilac talon]

wait which is better

[grim burrow]

baby

[marble lodge]

You are on the hollow knight discord

[lilac talon]

correct

[grim burrow]

i still asked tho

[novel topaz]

IM AT THE SPIKY TUBE

[grim burrow]

hey rolin whos your favorite fnaf character

[lilac talon]

the what 😨

[novel topaz]

IM ALMOST DONE

[novel topaz]

path of pain

[lilac talon]

oliver (mad theorists)

[grim burrow]

see collin

[lilac talon]

which is the baby

[lilac talon]

gg

[grim burrow]

and now fucking grimm is here

[steel glacier]

WITH WHAT

[novel topaz]

THE PATH OF PAIN

[steel glacier]

OMG GOOD JOB!

[lilac talon]

do you think menderbug ddark is canon

[keen thorn]

Hi

[novel topaz]

i just have to get through the tunnel and kill the dudes

and im DONE

[grim burrow]

watch im gonna go afk for like five minutes and broken vessel is gonna be in the chat talking about nu metal

[lilac talon]

hi genio

[novel topaz]

with this stupid place

[normal ether]

Bye

I might go as well

[keen thorn]

Hi

[normal ether]

But prob not soon

[steel glacier]

Doesnt it reset you to the bench of white palace if you quit ur save to take a break

[normal ether]

Yes

[steel glacier]

I had that fear and so i painstakingly did pop first try

[normal ether]

Haha

[novel topaz]

oh god i didnt think of that

[steel glacier]

I have a pic of you saved

[keen thorn]

Ok I'm bored and using data so no yt

[novel topaz]

good thing im not saving n quitting anytime soon

[keen thorn]

Does anyone need help?

Any boss

[novel topaz]

wowsers that's a me‼️

[dark tiger]

mmc

[normal ether]

You bbe baxk in like 2 mins i need to take an antibiotic.

[steel glacier]

Im on uh 103% and would like to reach 110%, any tips?

[novel topaz]

you got any ibuprofen, i got a headache

[normal ether]

*yo be backback

[runic shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/592273977137692683/1438973566916755588/togif.gif

[steel glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/indie-cross-hollow-knight-indie-cross-hollow-knight-hollow-knight-indie-cross-hollow-knight-window-gif-8727675044706951205

[keen thorn]

Well 112% is about gathering stuff. You're probably missing random collectibles so you could check a guide.
Although I assume you're missing pantheons and Colo 3

[steel glacier]

All roads lead to path of pain

[novel topaz]

sadly

[rich stone]

AB GPZ

[keen thorn]

Ohh you're doing P3AB?

[steel glacier]

Whats gpz?

[keen thorn]

Grey prince zote

[dark tiger]

pray zrince gote

[rich stone]

Yea

[keen thorn]

Well, what are you struggling with?

The attacks

[grim burrow]

you be what

[rich stone]

The summons with the boss

[novel topaz]

n o

[keen thorn]

Well, at any moment the summons should be your priority, but don't chase after them

[grim burrow]

you be profen all night huh

https://tenor.com/view/i-be-profen-gif-9435864923799777590

[keen thorn]

Your goal is to move around the boss, waiting for them to approach you

When in good range you can use a shade soul or a descending dark to clear them

Ideally you want to hit the boss but this is not mandatory and if you need not to just don't do it

Flying zotelings you can pogo during a flail

That's useful

Jumpers are the biggest issue tho they can just call on you out of nowhere

There is a strat, when he's summoning minions you can stop attacking and go near them

You can either use shriek to clear them as they spawn or use descending dark after they fall

[steel glacier]

Tyy and also funnily enough ive beated the first 3 pantheons but never beaten collo 3 so i got god tamers journal entry from godhome

[keen thorn]

Around volatiles you want to use a SS or ddark regardless, so with minions just wist for them to be in range of the spell you're gonna use, ddark in the middle and shade soul near the walls

Fliers you can always wait, jumpers you just kinda have to get lucky

[steel glacier]

Also how did the hunter fight stuff like Nkg and pure vessel what

[keen thorn]

They get stuck on the wall often tho

[rich stone]

Thanks also when is a good time to heal other than staggers

[keen thorn]

Lol

[keen thorn]

When he's spawning minions. Volatiles are the better one you can just do a single dash and heal, you have to be quick tho because it's a small window

For normal minions you can heal but you'll have to deal with them no soul

[normal ether]

I'm back! What did i miss?

[steel glacier]

Some cool tips

[keen thorn]

Well, you should try to gather the missing stuff and do C3 and P4

They're really hard so make sure you're maxed

[steel glacier]

Tyty

[rich stone]

Also in volatiles you can hit them to create more space

[keen thorn]

Sadly I don't have a recording with heals since I hardly ever do atp, but here's my R04 which has most dodges you could need
https://youtu.be/ZnXwDRjD43U?si=5O7VsmrX_Q5T6V1o

You could also watch my AscP5AB or R3AB for AB specific dodges although the fight is over pretty quick lol

[normal ether]

Has anyone beaten the eternal ordealordeal? That is what i am grinding

[keen thorn]

but in general minions are just more threatening in r04 so I can't be that deliberate with my spells

[keen thorn]

You "beat" it by getting 57 zotes, because well, it's eternal

[steel glacier]

Does it count towards completion?

[keen thorn]

In general you just want to be free of bad zotelings

Try to focus primarily on Salubras and Fats

Hangings you can just pogo in their heads because of no hotbox lol

[halcyon latch]

Whats going on???

[keen thorn]

You can run shamans, a shade soul can easily clean most of them or do lots of damage

[rich stone]

These are some really useful strats and your gameplay is really good

[halcyon latch]

Wait huh???

How far in are yall in the game

[keen thorn]

Yeah ty. Doing challenges makes a good backlog for helping

[keen thorn]

900 hours

[halcyon latch]

Im like 20 something hours in and i beat it like five times-_-

Floofbeast i love your user name

[normal ether]

Yes

[halcyon latch]

Does what count to completion?

[keen thorn]

The best way is a dive. In both levels you get the lower shockwave and the dive itself.
If you don't have the soul you can get a dreamnail, but only if you're quick. For black spells the best response is a nail into a shade soul animation cancel, for white spells you can do wraiths and get 2 hits because its hitbox is smaller

[vital tundra]

OMD FINALLY

RAD ABSRAD

AFTER 4H!!

[keen thorn]

Gg

[halcyon latch]

My friends call me this sl should i make this my server profile

[vital tundra]

time for rad sly

🔥

[halcyon latch]

One sec im tryna make a poll

[keen thorn]

57 zotes unlocks a main menu theme and makes the statue golden, so it does give true completion

But not a %

[halcyon latch]

Nvm

[keen thorn]

Gpz is just such a fun fight

Extremely optimizable

[halcyon latch]

Gn yall

[normal ether]

The eternal ordeal.

[keen thorn]

And all responses are so fun

[normal ether]

Goodest night

[halcyon latch]

Oh that, i havent done that yet

[keen thorn]

Gn

[halcyon latch]

And ty

[normal ether]

Thanks

@slow trench cheeze

Oops

[inland pagoda]

good luck,he’s just annoying imo

[vital tundra]

thanks sir

im just spamming elegy lol

[inland pagoda]

well that works ig

REAL

just don’t do it ig idk

[keen thorn]

You have to start early in his dash, as soon as he hits the floor, otherwise he's gonna rise on you

It's not that bad, you can stay near the border of the arena and that's the position when he's in the corner away from you

The issue will arise when you go for a vengefly spawning

But you can just not do a double pogo

[keen thorn]

It's possible but you need to be aware of this principle

And be quick

Here's P041 ig
https://youtu.be/o0kaQ1cko3E?si=9VUj5IM7_tISYUrz

Gameplay is sloppy tho

Really bad challenge

[vital tundra]

i am unironically using heavy blow ✌️

[keen thorn]

Anyways back to you. Even if it doesn't seem like it, Sly is a very ryhtm heavy boss, attacks are one at a time and you can just do the same response every time, like NKG and PV

[vital tundra]

yup

i know how to do it i just hate it

nkg im ass at tho

[keen thorn]

After each attack you can get up to 3 hits with Quickslash and Steady Body

[ocean aspen]

I want quirrel to live on but ik he dies

[normal ether]

For vengefly, when he swoops, i pogo then if i have enough soul go up to him and shriek, or i shade soul while in the air from pogoing.

[ocean aspen]

D dark could work

[keen thorn]

Well you could just watch this ig
https://youtu.be/6k2x9hpA62E?si=TeHJoMlYf6lRWGiD

You can use nail arts pretty agressively as well

Yeah, dash pogo + side slash, drop and dash into the void, shriek and dash to the wall, cling and back to the ground

[normal ether]

@ocean aspen IdI'dI'd prob miss lol!

[keen thorn]

I can't check but I'm 99% sure I did it here https://youtu.be/bLoOxmEQDd4?si=36TlJz5Mz4rJmS-T

[lilac talon]

c

[halcyon latch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1IYgXLCBxdU?si=e6b73AtO94sCBTD1

[normal ether]

CheesCheeze!

*cheeze!

[ocean aspen]

Nah

[keen thorn]

I completely missed this. Also sorry I haven't written anything... Soon I will
Anyways, what has expanded about it...

[ocean aspen]

It could work

[normal ether]

I'm suresure.

[foggy sable]

all good don't worry, it now has 18/42 bosses done

and is about 15 pages

[keen thorn]

Well, each boss should take about a page

If that's what you meant about expanded lol

[foggy sable]

I think when I stated it I underestimated how much it would be

either way it is fun to write so

[vital tundra]

accepting contributiosn?

[normal ether]

Be back in aa few.

[vital tundra]

i looked a bit in the games code so i understand in depth how some boses work

[foggy sable]

yes

[glossy python]

is there a way to check a randomizer seed?

I wanna send one

It was so fucking fast

Could potentally be a sub 20 if you knew the route

[foggy sable]

I've been asking most good ab players or boss specialists I come across

[acoustic steppe]

Good morning aunts

[normal ether]

Alright

[marble lodge]

back

@normal ether

[normal ether]

Ha

[marble lodge]

Things are fineHow is everyone?

[light gale]

has anyone else read the hunter's journal entry of the acid spitting balloon guys in fungal wastes and thought it was cute that either the knight or the hunter thinks round things are marvelous like hornet loves fluffy things?

[keen thorn]

Yeah fr

[marble lodge]

Gonna learn speedruning now

[foggy sable]

and also the best part is if someone needs help with a boss it is a lot easier to just take a screenshot unless the problem is a small section

[keen thorn]

Yeah

[normal ether]

GottaGotta go soon

Alright gotta go see you in the morning. (My morning, i know it is already morning for some of you.)

[marble lodge]

Should I?

[thick elk]

thats insane, r u going for r5ab aswell

[wispy willow]

genio

[foggy sable]

the thing about r5ab is it both isn't fun to attempt and excessively difficult

which is not a good combo

[thick elk]

yeah i can imagine

[foggy sable]

it saps away the soul

[marble lodge]

I AM GONNA PRESS THE FORBIDDEN SAVE! A GODSEEKER SAVE ON 1.2.2.1!

[thick elk]

p5ab and r5 are a lot better

[cinder jackal]

you will be very underwhelmed

[foggy sable]

ye both of those are fun

[marble lodge]

My game crashed...

[cinder jackal]

oh it usually just stays on a black screen

[marble lodge]

Yeah black screen

Thought it was gonna be a broken fungal

[cinder jackal]

it's just the default pretty sure

if only it was interesting

[marble lodge]

Though I am watching fireb0rns guide to Any% NMG rn. I plan on doing NMG

[keen thorn]

Not yet

[keen thorn]

Hello!

[cinder jackal]

sick

[wispy willow]

zvy!!!

[keen thorn]

Yeah, P5AB and R5 were so fun imo

Even if R5 is way too insane

[lilac talon]

😨

[carmine lava]

r5 doesn't sound fun

[cinder jackal]

btw if you wanna take movement a bit further I'd recommend magnolia's older any% guide which only covers movement

[zealous skiff]

it isnt imo

[cinder jackal]

her latest one shows like 31 level movement stuff so I wouldn't really say it's the best for learning initially

[uncut burrow]

Any tips for eternal ordeal?

[thick elk]

p5ab sounds fun, r5 not so much

[keen thorn]

Above P5AB level fun is probably he most subjective thing ever lol

[naive sonnet]

p5ab would certainly be easier but i would really really hate doing it

[keen thorn]

Wait are you going for R5AB? I thought you were lol

[keen thorn]

Yeah, P5AB is so much easier

[thick elk]

no lol

[keen thorn]

But believe me, you'll hate R5 just as much

[naive sonnet]

seriously pure vessel you have wronged me so so much but if you kill your father all will be forgiven

[knotty ravine]

r5 sucks ass yeah

[thick elk]

just doing all bindings currently

[uncut burrow]

R5 rips the soul from the body but u dont know that

[keen thorn]

Glgl then

R045 where one slight mistake can cost 2 hours of progress

[naive sonnet]

frankly i am (admittedly only slightly) more open to that than p5ab because ab feels like it was designed to be as unfun and boring as phyaically possible

[zealous skiff]

and r5?

[stiff hemlock]

What is r5 😭

[keen thorn]

Hitless P5

[zealous skiff]

idk abt p5ab but r5 is the most tiltable shit ive ever done

p5 hitless

[stiff hemlock]

Thanks

[thick elk]

i feel like with the right mindset, r5 is very difficult but certainly doable for most players if theyre willing to put in the time (im not speaking from experience ive not beaten it)

[zealous skiff]

you get 1 good run per day before being stuck in p1-2 hell

[naive sonnet]

even just p2ab was enough for me to give up and completely refuse to engage with ab pantheons for the forseeable future because it was so boring

[keen thorn]

P5AB is slow annoying
R5 is stressful and bs annoying

Both are fun optimizationwise tho

[uncut burrow]

Guyz im gonna try primal aspid hitless wish me luck

[foggy sable]

p5ab is awful the first time and fun after

[naive sonnet]

ab sucks so bad it got me to mildly dislike sly, one of my absolute favorite bosses in the game

[zealous skiff]

not much tbh

just gslash spam

[naive sonnet]

it's ab so it is inherently quite boring

[vital tundra]

do i need to save zote for the journal thing reward

[naive sonnet]

i did rab sly and i perhaps stupidly didn't change how i fought him at all

[foggy sable]

yes

you saved zote at vk so you need to beat him in hall of gods

[novel topaz]

guess who gets to redo the entire path of pain again!!

[carmine lava]

i remember when wjlff had a 1 hit 045 to absrad

[novel topaz]

and by that i mean im coming back when i could give a shit

[zealous skiff]

[keen thorn]

No f-ing way

[zealous skiff]

i like none of the 04r bosses left

[naive sonnet]

04 just seems like the most unbelievably horrid shit why would you ever do something like that

[carmine lava]

what bosses do you have left

[dreamy girder]

bro doesnt know about irab

[carmine lava]

no one actually does that

[zealous skiff]

fc sob ( 🤢 ) lost kin winged fucking nosk gpz soul tyrant white defender

[naive sonnet]

i've heard about it what the fuck is it

[carmine lava]

we won't believe your lies

[carmine lava]

sob is really bad yeah

[dreamy girder]

but... but im right here...

[zealous skiff]

i suck ass at juggling thats the problem with wd, im conisdering fighting him normally

[carmine lava]

i fought wd normally

i think i sort of fluked wd in terms of how long he took me

[dreamy girder]

itemless radiant all bindings
as in 4 dmg old nail only radiant bosses, with no movement abilities

[zealous skiff]

how long did he take?

[carmine lava]

i don't remember lol i just remember him not taking as long as he should have

[keen thorn]

R5 is ridiculously hard gameplay wise. You need constantly good execution and mistake any big mistake in a 30 minutes run. It's a crazy hard challenge
But the other big aspect of the difficulty is mentality. R5 is crazy hard on your mind. You'll go weeks without good performances, you'll dip and start to get desperate. I went as casual and light on myself and I STILL had a mental breakdown

[zealous skiff]

fair enough

[carmine lava]

oh he only took 30 minutes

[zealous skiff]

what do you have left again i keep forgetting

[carmine lava]

apparently

[zealous skiff]

oh shit ggs

[carmine lava]

fc and absrad

[naive sonnet]

wouldn't that make some bosses like traitor lord and absrad just straight up impossible because they have attacks that require shade cloak

[keen thorn]

Even if you know it's hard as fuck you will start to break down from the pressure

[signal wind]

can someone help me out lmao

[dreamy girder]

yes, it indeed makes those two bosses impossible

[zealous skiff]

absrad's tough but it doesnt play too different to regular, fc sucks tho

[keen thorn]

Fun

[carmine lava]

i know there's an fc cheese that i'll use but it will still be a super long fight

[dreamy girder]

if its doable for most players why dont most players have it

[signal wind]

is there like a way to get my save file out of the cloud in xbox gamepass to my steam acc?

[naive sonnet]

wait actually wouldn't ddark work

[dreamy girder]

...itemless...

https://tenor.com/view/tesla-and-einstein-luma-ai-gif-14475294631445060178

[naive sonnet]

ddark is not an item

[dreamy girder]

youre one stupid mf arent you

[carmine lava]

but i'm not good at absrad so

[dreamy girder]

idk why i even explain you this stuff

[carmine lava]

idk

[keen thorn]

But still after everything, I wouldn't change a thing.
Both P5AB and R5 as brutal as they were, were one of the most fun and fulfilling experiences I've had in gaming

[carmine lava]

absrad could take me 3 hours or she could take me 10

[foggy sable]

r5 was fun imo

[naive sonnet]

dude i fucking hate ddark generally i wouldn't use it out of principle even if it was allowed

[foggy sable]

wouldn't recommend though

[dreamy girder]

its not allowed mf i literally explained to you its 4 dmg old nail only

[zealous skiff]

it isn't "immediately" doable for most players, you need a bunch of practice gaining consistency to att r5. Additionally most people who could go for r5 don't because it sucks and its not worth torturing oneself in r5. Of the people who do go for r5 a lot of people drop it cus it sucks ass

[zealous skiff]

ok but you did it like exceptionally quickly

you don't have the normal r5 experience

[carmine lava]

we should ask spoonsei if r5 was fun

[naive sonnet]

ok i get it you don't have to repest it three times

[carmine lava]

didn't he have like 17 1 hits

[foggy sable]

that sounds unfortunate

[dreamy girder]

your first sentence was what i meant. sure it is doable, of course it is, but that bunch of practice is what separates it from actually being done by most players

[thick elk]

difficulty and time consuming (and mentally draining from what genio said)

[dreamy girder]

i know

[keen thorn]

13 iirc

[zealous skiff]

ok but like knowing how conscious he was of the mental aspect to r5, i wouldnt be surprised if he still had fun

[dreamy girder]

i had to repeat it three times because you werent understanding

[zealous skiff]

or at least fared better than most r5 players

[dreamy girder]

but its fine

[glossy brook]

Doing my first steel soul run

[dreamy girder]

good luck

[glossy brook]

Got to no eyes in 45 mins is that good

[foggy sable]

doing, like, 1 hour of runs at a time and no more makes the mental aspect way easier than getting bullied for 3 hours

[naive sonnet]

on the extremely low chance i ever do radiant pure vessel it will probably be followed by me doing a bunch of random shit in p4 and 5 because that would make me feel completely unstoppable

[zealous skiff]

i found r5 actually fun when it was casual "what if" attempts and not the main thing i was doing

[zealous skiff]

yup

[uncut burrow]

Im rlly struggling with nailsage sly whats a good charm build

[foggy sable]

I found it mostly got bad when I was stuck at 6 hit pb for about 3 weeks

[dreamy girder]

rad pure vessel is a cakewalk compared to even p4eb lmao

[foggy sable]

because it was so improvable but I couldn't improve

[naive sonnet]

eb?

[dreamy girder]

every binding

[naive sonnet]

every binding?

[dreamy girder]

yes

[zealous skiff]

the r5 experience:

[foggy sable]

yea but at 2 hits it was fine

[naive sonnet]

pure vessel is also stopping me from doing that on p4 and 5

[thick elk]

how does this work 😭

[foggy sable]

at that point I knew that any improvement would likely be the run but at 6 hits there was the knowing it should be easy to get better

[dreamy girder]

p4-p5eb are literally harder than rad pv so i doubt thats the only part

[foggy sable]

well I was good enough to get a hit pb lower but I just couldn't do it in runs

[dreamy girder]

the knowing 🔥

[foggy sable]

in r5 and runs like it there is a lot of variance

[naive sonnet]

no i could easily do all the bindings separately on 4 and probably even 5 if not for pure vessel

[dreamy girder]

shell binding alone is cooking you lmao lets be realistic

[thick elk]

whats the difference? did u not get the hit pb during a run

[dark tiger]

right but did you do radpv

[foggy sable]

well it would be doing a run with say 8 hits

[naive sonnet]

yeah
i have gotten hit less than twice on pv before but i don't trust myself to do it again with anything even approximately resembling consistency

[foggy sable]

not every run can be good, most of them aren't which is what makes it hard

[dark tiger]

yeah but did you beat radpv

[thick elk]

oh

ic

[naive sonnet]

no i fucking haven't

[dark tiger]

yeah but did you do radpv

[naive sonnet]

are you a robot

[dark tiger]

no, but did you do radpv?

[naive sonnet]

are you programmed to just ask that every time i speak a word

[foggy sable]

so if I were to do an attempt now I could probably do 3-4 hits but there would be a low chance of doing r5 because there is a lot of variance in gameplay and just silly mistakes

[dreamy girder]

peak ragebait

[dark tiger]

no, but did you do radpv?

[naive sonnet]

i didn't and you don't need to ask because there's a 90% chance i never will

[thick elk]

makes sense, thanks

[dark tiger]

10% chance you will, but did you do radpv?

[naive sonnet]

fuck you

[floral moth]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[dark tiger]

sure, but did you do radpv?

[naive sonnet]

it's shell and charm
i've done nail and soul bindings on both 4 and 5

[dreamy girder]

charm.... really?????????

[dark tiger]

practice charmless in hog (and also beat radpv if you havent)

[dreamy girder]

charm is maybe the easiest of all 4

[foggy sable]

charm is the hardest of them, no contest

[dreamy girder]

no

[naive sonnet]

the easiest is absolutely soul i barely notice it

[dreamy girder]

if you are used to playing charmless you dont feel the difference

it makes the fights long and boring but yes it is also really easy by itself

[dark tiger]

sure, but did you beat radpv? its by far the easiest in p4ab

[dreamy girder]

idk my last 50 hours of gameplay were low gear runs which usually implies charmless

[naive sonnet]

well i'm not and i rely very, very heavily on quick slash and especially mark of pride

[dreamy girder]

i genuinely forgot they even exist

nah jk i didnt forget

but i do see them as kinda meh now

[dark tiger]

then dont use them (and did you beat radpv?)

[dreamy girder]

sort of the same thing to have em or not

[naive sonnet]

like the single worst part about ab for me is the lack of mark of pride

[dark tiger]

skill issue

[dreamy girder]

really unc

charm dependance is like genuinely the biggest skill issue there can be

[naive sonnet]

your name is bragging about having a basic sense of rhythm

[dreamy girder]

not only does it handicap you for charmless, but it also completely impedes you from using other charm builds

[dreamy girder]

i dunno but it MIGHT be satire....

[dark tiger]

sure, but did you beat radpv? I did

[dreamy girder]

i wouldnt know though.......

welp im gone

forever long

good luck with the radpv!!!!

[keen thorn]

Honestly same

Although I feel I could do a 3 or 2 hit even

[naive sonnet]

no, but i have done every other radiant

which i think more than makes up for it

[keen thorn]

My PB in soul binding is 2

[dark tiger]

then go ahead and beat radpv

[foggy sable]

you have to consider you need to get used to charms again

[dark tiger]

it doesnt make up for it

[keen thorn]

I actually get used to them instantly

[naive sonnet]

I Do Not Want To You Fucking Troglodyte

[foggy sable]

I had 3 pb 2s in charmless then silksong came out and distracted me and ruined everything

[keen thorn]

I can change playstyles really qjick

[dark tiger]

why not? its the easiest radiant

[keen thorn]

That's part of my talent that has helped me a lot

[dark tiger]

i even did it on mobile

[subtle glacier]

troglodyte

[foggy sable]

ever thought about reclearing?

[keen thorn]

I'll clear Soul Binding

[naive sonnet]

it's the hardest boss in the game for me and i don't find it very fun especially not on ascended

[keen thorn]

I want R5EB

Soul binding is like, barely any different lol

Just less spells

[dark tiger]

then practice it, its very fun

[keen thorn]

Longnail + NMG instead of shaman and use ddark purely defensively

Basically F5 gameplay without fury

[naive sonnet]

i've fought it 50 times and my opinion of it hasn't gotten better, it's in fact gotten worse

[keen thorn]

I'm using the exact same setup but with Longnail instead of fury

[knotty knoll]

skill issue

[keen thorn]

Oh btw I cleared F5 in a 2 hour sitting one day lol

[dark tiger]

insane

[carmine lava]

what’s f5

[keen thorn]

Fury R5

[real otter]

I died to gpz in p5 cus markoth put me on 3 masks 💔

[naive sonnet]

i used to think pure vessel was one of the best fights in the game but the more i fought it the less i liked it

[foggy sable]

hmm I wonder why my judgement on the difficulty is so different to everyone else

[dark tiger]

then just get a lobotomy

[keen thorn]

Probably it's all because you had a super weird R5 experience

You cleared insanely quickly, and took random breaks to do both P5AB and F5 just at the time for them to feel close to eachother

[naive sonnet]

i've done radiant absrad
twice
could someone with a skill issue do that

[foggy sable]

maybe the breaks are what did it tbh

[keen thorn]

I have skill issue and did R5

[knotty knoll]

do radiant pure vessel first, then you wont have a skill issue

[static charm]

https://tenor.com/view/glitch-class-funny-glitching-gif-1278280886870965156

[real otter]

I just wanna fight abs rad in hog and then god damn markoth ruins my run

[naive sonnet]

you are one of the best players i've ever seen you have no skill issue

[knotty knoll]

he doesnt, but you do

[knotty knoll]

so go ahead and do radiant pure vessel

[naive sonnet]

i do not want to

[foggy sable]

skill issue is perpetual

[naive sonnet]

i do not believe it would be worth the pain and suffering

[knotty knoll]

why not?

[static charm]

radiant girlkisser

[knotty knoll]

releases when

[static charm]

now

[subtle glacier]

genir

[naive sonnet]

generally i tend to avoid torture (i say as someone who has done both radiant absrad and markoth twice)

[knotty knoll]

cool

[static charm]

whats worshipping the radiance like

[knotty knoll]

radiant markoth is worse than radiant pure vessel lol????, this means with enough practice you could do radiant pure vessel

[naive sonnet]

very warm and blissful

[real otter]

no he has such a bad skill issue hes good

[static charm]

ok

Id Win

[zealous skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-pet-pet-otter-otter-pet-superior-gif-22686837

[real otter]

I need tips for markoth so he doesn’t beat my ass in p5

[naive sonnet]

there is no place i would rather be than below the radiance
metaphorically, of course

[naive sonnet]

i like how you're singling out markoth and not absrad
radiant absrad is infinitely harder than radiant markoth and i don't think that should be a debate

[static charm]

also who tf is markoth

[naive sonnet]

i saw that
and i wouldn't mind that

[static charm]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-spaghetti-hollow-knight-gif-20947547

Him?

Is THAT markoth

[naive sonnet]

moth ghost that people have a weird hatred for for reasons i've yet to discern

[real otter]

hardest radiant boss to n the game

[naive sonnet]

yes that's him