yea but Watcher Knights and lost kin to me are easier than failed champ for learning this run
#speedrunning
frail beacon
but also i cant do the shade skip yet on earnest
been working on those two most of my day
steady lynx
I tried every main category on switch and in difficulty I'd rank 112 > TE > any% > AS
worthy sluice
Shade skip is easy when you have a method to the madness (if im thinking of the right skip)
steady lynx
Also screw low%
frail beacon
i think i have a strong idea of HOW to do it. its actually executing it however
steady lynx
Wait
frail beacon
get hit, pogo-parry, fireball, pogo, fireball, pogo (kills shade) dash right into blue lake
steady lynx
frail beacon
yea
steady lynx
Another example of easier than it seems
hearty adder
tbh it doesn't look easy at all 
worthy sluice
Well, i love everyone, however yeah!!!! I love you! And i appreciate the help you gave when i was learning the route!
livid stirrup
Gratz on the new pb clobber!!
frail beacon
what is killing me is the acid skip to Monomon i cant seem to find a good tutorial for
worthy sluice
: )
steady lynx
Oh, into fungal
frail beacon
i know Emray has acid skip tutorial but thats into tear
steady lynx
Just walk left off the platform and press cdash when you hit the wall
frail beacon
that easy?
frail beacon
i have only just started the decent into the speedrun today
hearty adder
though if you press it too early nothing will happen
livid stirrup
Welcome to the madness
frail beacon
done my 112 and at least 100 hours of rando
twin swallow
the crossroads acid skip is pretty lenient
twin swallow
it's definitely worth learning
worthy sluice
Qga is hard
frail beacon
frail beacon
i like the radiance fight tbh
steady lynx
Fair
worthy sluice
Most people i know like the te better than any%
frail beacon
probably the most fragile speedrun i have ever done
i'll probably dance around to more categories but i wanted to start somewhere
hearty adder
TE looks pretty satisfying tbh, even if I like any% it doesn't feel as accomplishing personally to finish with the regular ending after all the effort
grizzled maple
I do kinda have a qga tutorial
Its like half serious but its also not a complicated trick
proud vessel
whats qga?
grizzled maple
Something else I like to do is cancel the cdash just as youre about to hit the wall because it gives me a better visual cue on when to jump
Qga is queens garden acid. The acid skip in any%
proud vessel
oh that one
i always have trouble learning the abbreviations for the skips in this game
grizzled maple
I'm just omega late. They were taking about this earlier lol
steady lynx
I'm awaiting the day when Zeno finds a trick and decides to name it the duck trick without any context
Nobody new will have any idea
normal aspen
I'm down for that tbh
grizzled maple
@ zeno gl and get to work
hearty adder
If Silksong doesn't have a duck skip I will be upset
normal aspen
I wanna find tricks in ss just to name them random shit
haughty fossil
just name random checks after yourself insomnia
steady lynx
With us in the helm, Silksong will have the most nonsensical names on tricks
haughty fossil
paum has a hallownest seal and a soul totem already
steady lynx
What rando checks aren't claimed yet?
haughty fossil
oh is that from that one time you chain died to flukemarm?
normal aspen
no comment
stiff delta
Running silksong just to make TK jump a reality 
stiff delta
Homoball 2: revenge
normal aspen
I'm naming whatever the first thing i find is after Ax
coz he doesnt want anyhting named after himself
frail beacon
first successful Shade Skip
normal aspen
a truly noble endeavour
steady lynx
Like how pogax is named after Ax?
stiff delta
ax bo2unce
haughty fossil
dash (ax2u) slash
steady lynx
däsch släsch
proud vessel
is there some trick to do fireball skip easier on keyboard or do i just need to get timings better
haughty fossil
can't believe ax made it into the game's code 
stiff delta
Use quick cast
proud vessel
im using quick cast
haughty fossil
installing russian cheats helps on kb
normal aspen
is there some trick to do fireball skip easier on keyboard or do i just need to ...
vali's socd cleaner
hearty adder
is there some trick to do fireball skip easier on keyboard or do i just need to ...
quick cast and perseverence
stiff delta
Practice with debug mod to get timings down without losing height
proud vessel
yeah im practicing with debug mod rn
stiff delta
Do you have a clip of your attempts?
steady lynx
I've heard that they named King's Pass after Ax since his chat went "KP 
" whenever he got there
haughty fossil
proud vessel
Do you have a clip of your attempts?
nope
stiff delta
we could give you a lot better of advice if we see what you are doing
deft thorn
paum has a hallownest seal and a soul totem already
wait what totem 👀
haughty fossil
totem inside cmound
deft thorn
pautem?
haughty fossil
because he said it didn't exist when soul totem rando came out
normal aspen
totem mines_35
haughty fossil
totem Crystal_Mound***
normal aspen
zoomers smh
deft thorn
because he said it didn't exist when soul totem rando came out
lol I have been corrected on saying that about a few handful of totems 🥴
twin swallow
mines_35? speak the normal language
normal aspen
steady lynx
Is there any Grub check that's not taken?
twin swallow
skurry named every grub
stiff delta
lmao
normal aspen
i love how most checks involve someone being terrible at it
Acrid Egg being prime example
haughty fossil
oh so can i take Jamie lifeblood as the lifeblood in kp? 
median gull
no cause that's already mine
haughty fossil
normal aspen
mosst the stuff ive got positive association with are named items yhtsi
stiff delta
lemme cop grub 47
median gull
i thought grubs 47 to 49 were jason's grubs
stiff delta
Lemme cop grub 50
deft thorn
gnight peeps
have we at any point established peeps to be among the ["y'all", "comrades"] list of pronounouns?
steady lynx
Can I have grub 69?
normal aspen
thats obviously nice grub smh
steady lynx
Well, where's grub 13?
stiff delta
if silksong has an equivalent to grubs dibs on the 3rd one
proud vessel
whats a pronounoun
proud vessel
nice
twin swallow
a prounoun but noun-ier
stiff delta
Gn
steady lynx
gl
proud vessel
good night aprillomat
deft thorn
proud vessel
oh look its christian, my favorite grub
earnest lotus
proud vessel
maybe using a controller would be better for fireball skip
honest bear
is there a reason as to why Current patch NMG any% isnt on the survey
median gull
cause there's no point to show 2 any% runs and 1221 is more optimized and known than CP
proud vessel
i wish vs pulled you towards where you fired rather than backwards
but that would be kinda weird and unrealistic and the only thing it would help with is fireball skips
frail beacon
really starting to get consistant with this skip
proud vessel
which skip is it?
stiff delta
blindsloth you really should give us a recording of your attempts so we can see
frail beacon
shadeskip to bluelake
proud vessel
nice
proud vessel
blindsloth you really should give us a recording of your attempts so we can see
i havent figured out obs yet so ill just look up how to do that and send a recording
stiff delta
Neat
proud vessel
i just did it
i was trying a little bit more before i tried setting up obs and i did it
i might as well still send a recording so you can tell me if there is anything i can do to be more consistent
stiff delta
Nice! Grats on hitting it
versed elbow
So, I'm watching a few first runs by players. It seems like a common trend is just make every item you need to grab a split in the order you need to grab them?
I think I'mma take that idea
stiff delta
Generally people make splits based off everything in the run that can be split or based off comsob
versed elbow
That sounds about right.
I feel like for beginners it just makes it so that you remember where you need to be
worthy sluice
Shaded imagine having speedrun rank
versed elbow
Trust me, it's not a good one
limpid ruin
Trust me, none of us have good ones
versed elbow
I'm on the leaderboards for Pantheon of the Master IL
normal aspen
ikr imagine\
haughty fossil
just base your splits off comsob, makes comparisons easier
limpid ruin
or base your splits off of fixing comsob and be the change you want to see
haughty fossil
maybe add extras if you forget them (like me w/ shopkeepers key 🥴)
worthy sluice
Anyways shaded, i think im good to race whenever you are ready
versed elbow
Is there a list of comsob for All Skills CP?
worthy sluice
@ me
normal aspen
Is there a list of comsob for All Skills CP?
yes its on the main as sheet
but its not up to date
worthy sluice
Well not tonight
limpid ruin
oh s0mni did you add that? 👀
worthy sluice
But i would be willing
worthy sluice
Any time i can, i would be willing
versed elbow
I'm doing All Skills CP as my first category, Nugget
Do you wanna learn that one and we can race it?
stiff delta
Solution: both race myla% (best category)
versed elbow
Is that what it sounds like...
strong cosmos
Sorry, what’s all skills.
versed elbow
Literally just racing to get to Myla first?
stiff delta
Collext all skills
stiff delta
k i l l m y l a
versed elbow
Sorry, what’s all skills.
It's the "I hate the fucking Watcher Knights, so eat this DDark dick" category
grizzled maple
worthy sluice
I can try to learn all skills shaded
stiff delta
Myla is cringe emray accept the truth
normal aspen
she deserves it
limpid ruin
you deserve it
strong cosmos
Exactly
charred sigil
?rank speedrun racer
stiff delta
reject myla, embrace peace
sick ravenBOT
@charred sigil, you joined Speedrun Racer.
haughty fossil
cdash
grizzled maple
Dive is semi infected, cdash is full
limpid ruin
imagine being so insecure you take it out on wholesome beings like that 
worthy sluice
So get to city get money get cdash kill myla??? Is that the route
Or is it more complicated
limpid ruin
Myla% is basically any% early game
haughty fossil
the like 1 perk of myla% is it has a pretty cool vengefly pogo to get into rafters faster
stiff delta
Its any% but you skip dnail and then get shmoney
haughty fossil
the downside is running it makes you vilified by half the community
worthy sluice
Aight
versed elbow
the downside is running it makes you vilified by half the community
I read this as an upside
limpid ruin
the downside is running it makes you vilified by half the community
deservedly so
grizzled maple
I mean, I still like ax, I just dont respect him
versed elbow
I like being the villain
worthy sluice
@versed elbow is a cutie he aint a villain
stiff delta
save the world
twin swallow
myla did nothing wrong
grizzled maple
She did a damn good job have you seen hallownest
stiff delta
i mean you are doing the right thing by stopping the radiance
versed elbow
All Skills includes the Nail Arts, yes?
worthy sluice
Kill abs rad- become void boi- kill myla
stiff delta
Ye
haughty fossil
that's a point, world peace in hk
- save myla, so no cdash and no dive if avoidable
- kill zote
- witness cloth die a warriors death
- flower to elderbug
- flower to traitor Lords grave
unfortunately you cannot TE without cdash
versed elbow
"Flower to Traitor Lord's Grave"
I vowed I'd never do that again
haughty fossil
so it's a choice between saving the Knight and saving myla
or I guess "freeing" the Knight
proud vessel
theres no competition, save myla
stiff delta
im leaving the community. i have nothing against the people in speedrunning, I just cant respect their values. Saving myla and killing zote? Really? people like you are the reason the pandemic spread because you just looooove the infection. Meanwhile zote worked hard for his life. He had to come up with 57 things to say, and yet you don’t care. Is it just a JOKE to you?! i cant stand being here anymore. When did speedrunning turn 2021 into 1984?
proud vessel
bye person who likes zote
versed elbow
Is this where I say I killed Grey Prince Zote for the first time today and laughed the whole time?
frail beacon
Grey Prince of Adjectives is pretty fun
haughty fossil
damn I almost forgot
- Slash Tiso's shield away from his corpse
proud vessel
how is that saving the world?
haughty fossil
you complete the bingo card
twin swallow
cleaning up the trash
proud vessel
i got two really different answers
haughty fossil
mine is rando related
jbs is correct
proud vessel
ok
versed elbow
Has anyone here ever seen a BotW or SMO Bingo race?
I kinda wanna come up with bingo cards in Hollow Knight
frail beacon
how do you even BotW bingo
versed elbow
You make a list of things that players need to do in the world
frail beacon
beside having a ton of squares like "3 shrines" "6 koroc seeds" "cook 3 things"
versed elbow
If they get straight a row/column/diagonal bingo first they win
Kill certain enemy types, buy a house, defeat a great beast, etc
versed elbow
You think it would work in Hollow Knight somehow?
frail beacon
i would not be suprised if they have
proud vessel
in botw you can do anything any time
frail beacon
or have even organized a tournament around it
versed elbow
Bingo is less about anything else and more about routing
Like being able to route your squares on the fly
frail beacon
yea, it can be a little overwhelming due to how many goals you could potentially hunt down early
stiff delta
Ive seen jaime do 2v2 bingo randoms and its hype
haughty fossil
vanilla bingo is kinda 
but rando bingo is very good
proud vessel
random bingo sounds like it would be interesting to watch
stiff delta
It is
proud vessel
infuriating to play though it sounds like
haughty fossil
nah rando is the peak way to play hk
frail beacon
it's really hard to tire of rando
especially when you start pushing TE early with only a DDive to give you i frames against the Wall of Light
proud vessel
that would make sense
haughty fossil
(if you'd like to learn more about rando you can do ?rank randomizer racer for access to the randomizer channel (note this role does get pinged frequently))
proud vessel
sad
twin swallow
vanilla bingo is also a thing, but I don't know anyone that runs it
haughty fossil
you can always dream of owning a pc good enough to run HK, though I'm more convinced day by day that does not exist
versed elbow
The only thing that makes me nervous in this run is the dark room leading to DDark
Like that room is always intimidating to me
proud vessel
for me, deepnest is the most intimidating place ever
versed elbow
Oh right... Deepnest exists
worthy sluice
Shaded is cute
haughty fossil
my personal favourite baby strat for that darkroom is just to cdash literally everywhere: if you hit a wall, jump, if you get your cdash cancelled, dash and walljump
worthy sluice
Jus sayin
haughty fossil
ofc you should just learn one of the fast strats, but if you're really struggling like I did
versed elbow
It's gonna be my first full game in HK
No bully
I've only done full game in SMO and Diablo 3. Both of which are pretty easy tbh
fading yew
I got a sub 4 and a half hour run on steel soul. It was my first time clearing steel soul and my second time clearing the game. But I forgot to record it so I couldn’t submit it
Before I speedrun again, I probably need to learn dark deepnest
I also could’ve gotten a sub 4 hour run but I wasted a ton of time in deepnest, did Gorb and Xero, and forgot where watcher’s spire was
thorn jasper
Yeah you definitely don't need Gorb and Xero if you're just going for Any% Steel Soul. Also keeping notes next to you as you run might be a good idea
median gull
vanilla bingo is also a thing, but I don't know anyone that runs it
collie did some streams playing vanilla bingo
unique pumice
?rank speedrun racer
sick ravenBOT
@unique pumice, you joined Speedrun Racer.
median gull
I played like 2 of them, and they were not bad but definitely not good
there might be some ppl who enjoys it
twin swallow
I think they'd be fine if we weren't spoiled by how much better rando bingo is
median gull
that's a good point
normal aspen
yeah i used to do vanilla bingo but it had the same issue a lot of meme cats did in that its often just better to do any% to claw and then go from there
deft flame
damn i was 2 minutes ahead of my PB and just died to regular enemies in deepnest lmao
worthy sluice
I feel that
deft flame
i was about to do a sub 45 run, too sad
worthy sluice
Hey! That run was just practice for your sub 45
deft flame
so anyone knows approximately how much time does QGA route save over deepnest route?
damn, i thought it was more
stiff delta
About 10 seconds of timesave if you consistently throw qga like me
knotty vigil
I have a question about the speedrun marathon thing, is it restricted to just the Any% categories or is there a section for levels such as Godhome too?
Alright, nevermind. I'm one of those students who asks the question before reading the test. 
jovial mountain
hello. I have a potentially dumb question: is there an all secrets run, or is that just too cursed?
knotty vigil
There is no "All Secrets" run that I know of.
knotty vigil
hello. I have a potentially dumb question: is there an all secrets run, or is th...
Yeah just checked, even in the Hollow Knight Category Extensions page, there is no such area.
I think "All Secrets" is vague anyway since most breakable walls are considered "secrets".
median gull
how many secret rooms are there in the game? I can only think about the super secret seal and the super secret geo rock
knotty vigil
Well, there's a LOT of secret areas.
Some that I probably don't even know to this day.
median gull
so, there is a (there will be*) a plando run of "Hidden Dreamers / Forgotten Corners"
you'll basically see every secret room in the game
in HKM
knotty vigil
Forgive me for being a classic guy under a rock, what does the HKM acronym stand for?
median gull
knotty vigil
Interesting, this must be new. Never heard of it.
median gull
I mean, there's literally a #modded-runs channel in this discord .-.
jovial mountain
I think "All Secrets" is vague anyway since most breakable walls are considered ...
this question was inspired by me looking at my unencrypted main save file (200-ish hours) and realizing how many secret rooms I missed
median gull
but that's fair
not many ppl know about it
Hidden Corners plando basically forces you to go to every secret place, and needs to beat TE + get all skills
knotty vigil
What patch would you run it on?
If realistically speaking, an "All Secrets" category was a thing.
knotty vigil
Like I said, it always goes back to, "What defines a secret room"
median gull
it is just a bad cat tbh
knotty vigil
Technically 112% completion speedruns uncover 90% of the secrets.
median gull
Pretty sure 112% don't get SSS or Super secret geo rock smh
versed elbow
I genuinely don't know what the ingame timer ticks off of... Like I'm watching a run where the guy has a real time timer and one that cuts loading. When he save warps the time is completely different than either of those timers were
knotty vigil
Other than the obscure areas to say at least. Because the Pantheon of Hallownest is technically a "secret" because of that ding sound you hear whenever going into a hidden place.
knotty vigil
I genuinely don't know what the ingame timer ticks off of... Like I'm watching a...
In-game time makes it fair to players who don't have amazing computers. It's the time that counts whenever you're in a room/arena. The time that doesn't count would be load screens, transitions, etc. which could vary from client to client depending on its capabilities.
versed elbow
The timer that you see when you look at your save?
knotty vigil
The time that's on your save is real world time.
limpid ruin
Igt works by not working
It counts all active playtime, so whenever you're not in a menu or main menu I think
knotty vigil
IGT is simple: it only counts time when you're in control of the Knight. Load screens, transitions and other blank areas take longer for some people, and if those times were counted, would technically make it unfair.
limpid ruin
Yep
median gull
HK ACE is a real thing
knotty vigil
Like if I had a potato PC that takes a while to load certain screens, why should that time count versus someone who has better equipment.
median gull
knotty vigil
It would literally be pay to win, and logically not ethical. 😄
median gull
explain to me
why is LOADLESS time 32:55
and IGT 38:10
you can add 10s to quitouts (which is less than that but even if you add a full minute it won't matter)
keen peak
I don't know if any of the speedrun.com moderaters are in this discord but a run I just submited that is from the user name of, "ABowlofOrange" should not be looked at because I accedently didn't record audio for it. It is for Console runs any percent PS5/XSeries.
median gull
All of them are in this discord
knotty vigil
All the time it takes for transitions and cutscenes add up yo.
versed elbow
I'm assuming that's why there's a different leaderboard for Xbox/PS4/Switch/PC?
knotty vigil
+3 seconds and multiply that by like 20-30 for each time you move in and out of rooms.
Like when you see the Knight leave the King's Pass for the first time right? That black screen doesn't count towards the timer.
median gull
All the time it takes for transitions and cutscenes add up yo.
why it counts now
knotty vigil
Nono, I mean mathematically wise though.
You're asking why by the end of the run, there's almost a 10 minute difference in both timers.
The time it takes for screen transitions accumulate, and everytime you move in and out of a room or see a cutscene, that's essentially -3 seconds.
formal bough
I don't know if any of the speedrun.com moderaters are in this discord but a run...
I believe it is possible to delete runs
knotty vigil
Or +3 seconds, if you look at it differently; the point is, the amount of time it takes for transitions begins to add up, and if you compiled them all into a single video, it would be that duration.
median gull
Yes, so you are saying that IGT counts load times
knotty vigil
No, IGT doesn't count load times. RT counts that.
IGT counts only when you're in control of the game.
median gull
okay i'm leaving this convo i can't stand this anymore i'm sorry
knotty vigil
It really isn't that confusing.
formal bough
There is RT, there is IGT, and there is loadless. Limbo is confusing loadless and IGT I believe
knotty vigil
No I'm not. -_-
median gull
(yes you are)
versed elbow
Herrah split in All Skills is so much easier than Any% lol
formal bough
RT is just real time, IGT is what the game says, loadless is what livesplit says.
(in game time)
keen peak
@formal bough I can't find a way or it is because it has been sent but not verified so I cant delete it until they verify or don't verify it.
median gull
IGT =
knotty vigil
RT = Real time, the amount of time you're spending in the real world to play the game.
IGT = Game time, the amount of time that is counted when you're in control of the game.
median gull
NO
formal bough
IGT is whatever built in timer a game has
median gull
Game time, the amount of time that is counted when you're in control of the game. = LOADLESS
formal bough
so like for celeste it's good, for hollow knight it's bad
versed elbow
I don't like the conversation I've sparked
median gull
There are 3 timers
RTA, IGT, loadless timer
RTA is the real time you spend
IGT is a broken timer that doesnt work
loadless timer is = RTA - load times
limpid ruin
IGT is what the loadless timer counts as
knotty vigil
Wait so then IGT is just loadless timer then? Still goes back to what I was saying earlier.
median gull
i miswrote that
knotty vigil
I explained what loadless was then.
🍝
knotty vigil
That timer built into Hollow Knight is completely unreliable.
Sorry Team Cherry, gotta give LiveSplit the cover here. 👁️👄👁️
versed elbow
I feel like console gets the shaft on this one
knotty vigil
I remember submitting a pantheon run where LiveSplit reported 3m28 while Hollow Knight told me 4m28. That one minute makes a huge difference.
median gull
what run did you submit it is only 3min
knotty vigil
I don't remember exactly which run it was, but I think it was Pantheon of the Artist.
knotty vigil
Like a while ago, that one minute difference would move me to the bottom of the leaderboard versus the top.
versed elbow
Yea, it 100% feels like console gets shafted lol.
I just watched a CP run of All Skills for PC.
Loadless- 1:36:34
IGT- 1:42:57
RTA- 1:46:49
The console timer would've been 1:46:49 since we can't do loadless
median gull
IGT is 🥴
neon island
Imagine accurately timing in game time
weary root
IGT is especially broken on older patches. All Skills runs that are ~an hour often show IGT of a few seconds
versed elbow
Even in the Switch WR for All Skills his time on LiveSplits is 1:14:13 and the end screen says 1:10:25.
dull lion
How is it that I’ve never had this happen to me? My in game timer is usually at least close. It sounds funny
keen peak
In my 1:00:23 run on console my IGT was pretty close to my estimate loadless and it was 57:23, note I am on Xbox Series S and I put hollow knight on the SSD
Any%
It was my 4th ever run
formal bough
I believe if your IGT is xx h 0 m yy s the timer just shows yys but I'm not sure
versed elbow
Every run I can find where the timers are the same
Loadless is fastest (Naturally)
But IGT is always faster than RTA
I mean since RTA is what we compete on console based off it really doesn't matter
In terms of competition it's completely fair
We're just taking a longer time than it actually took ingame
livid stirrup
I used a split timer mostly successfully for the first time, forgot to hit the button for Vengefly King and Lumafly Lantern at the right time but otherwise I think it's pretty accurate. That being said... me, good at Greenpath?? In my dreams
And thk ate me for dinner tonight holy cow
I'm trying to learn to stay closer to him and get off more hits but it also means taking more hits while I'm still learning to dodge them
Also question have any of you all been personally victimized by the doors in Uumuu's chamber
Because I was dodging a perfectly normal attack by wall sliding and the tiny little bump in the wall was enough to boost me up into the attack and I'm going to sue the door
versed elbow
I'm trying to learn to stay closer to him and get off more hits but it also mean...
One thing I've learned about THK on current patch. Anytime you see him do an attack just jump.
Like sometimes you can jump preemptively and still be fine.
ionic sparrow
the same applies to thk on every patch
the correct answer to almost every thk attack starts with a jump
median gull
Also, is that THE pest?
nah it clearly says vys
pure vault
lol shut
livid stirrup
only difference is you kinda can’t react and then jump on cp
Okay thank you for confirming this, I've been wondering how the heck all yall do that and I concluded that either I'm bad or he's faster on cp
Now I know that both are valid answers 😂
mighty rain
Ive been trying the spirit skip for like, half an hour and keep failing, has me really unmotivated
I dont have a controller so its a bit difficult to get the turn timing right and it has me frustrated
verbal stag
are you using quick cast?
mighty rain
Yes
Idk how to turn properly
I can do the wr path up to that skip more or less well
normal aspen
do u have a recording of u trying it?
limpid ruin
a couple tips: always turn AFTER apex
pure vault
he meant so we could see what you’re doing wrong
jagged vault
no, the recording is so that we can help see what you're doing wrong in the trick
to help you get it right
limpid ruin
practice the inputs in your head even, so you internalise the input sequence
or in notepad
just to get it down and set
mighty rain
No i dont currently have a recording, and wont be able to share one until a few days
mighty rain
Idk its my first time speedrunning a game, so im really pesimistic bout it
pure vault
the fireball skips aren’t required tho, so you can try it and if you miss you can go around for the 1st and 3rd, for the 2nd one you can lure the mosquito up and pogo off it
limpid ruin
stop being pessimistic is also a good step. Watch ANY top runner, and youll see they all still fail it often
pure vault
maybe watch some slower runs rather than the WR
there’s also 2 video guides that go over the skips in detail
knotty vigil
people tell me im good at the game (its debatable im really not) and i miss it 70% of the time with a tad bit of practice.
even when im warmed up its kinda a 50/50
dont be disappointed that you cant do hard strats everytime, you dont aneed a wr to be a good speedrunner
limpid ruin
^
mighty rain
People tell me im good but i have like 8 bosses left to beat in radiant
pure vault
I’m a WR holder and I still miss it at least once a stream
knotty vigil
Oh, which WR do you hold vys?
pure vault
True Ending
pure vault
nice, GL
knotty vigil
i dont have proper routing tho sfgsdfgdfg
thankk you!
pure vault
I have a video tutorial for True Ending NMG but it’s on 1221 so won’t help with Godhome Ending
knotty vigil
yeah thats the problem i cant find a condensed route descriptions for Godhome NGM so im looking at Skurry's 3 hour video like hh
nmg*
mighty rain
Do you have a link to the the in detail for the skips?
If you could dm it so i can watch after school itd be nice
haughty fossil
there are very in depth guides on speedrun.com, as well as an extremely in depth video guide by fireb0rn
knotty vigil
^
usually
you can just click on the runs if ur curious what routes were used and you ca watch the run they did to get that time
so if you see runs around ur time then just click on em and see what runs get slightly better times and how they do it!
knotty vigil
i belive in you ❤️
mighty rain
Thanks
knotty vigil
i have yet to record a run lmao
mighty rain
I mean i know i could beat it under 5h
I Just want to get
A nice time for my first speedrun complete ever
knotty vigil
a lot of people dont even have sub 5, so sub 5 is respectable!
Id even say sub 3 is respectable, for a first complted one
mighty rain
I dont want respetable, i want good
knotty vigil
and sub 5 is good thats my point
dont hold yourself to higher standards, anything sub 5 for first is good
trust me
haughty fossil
for any%, basically just practice watcher Knights, thk and the shade skip and you'll get a bomb first time
knotty vigil
a lot of people have troubles with even that
haughty fossil
I'd expect any no unintentional deaths any% to be sub 1 hour honestly unless you go out of your way for some things
knotty vigil
^
and sub hour is pretty heckin good
I havent hit sub hour on any% yet and ive completed runs so if you can get sub hour then ur great ❤️
mighty rain
Ill aim for sub hour then
snow dome
Literally just "Don't die" is weirdly good advice. Focus on being safe. Healing sucks, but it sucks way less than doing half the route again
knotty vigil
^
mighty rain
Im aware
Im aware i Will make some mistakes
I Just idk its weird to explain my thoughts when i feel im getting no where w smth
knotty vigil
Literally just "Don't die" is weirdly good advice. Focus on being safe. Healing ...
lmao i learned that the hard way
mighty rain
Any advice for People Who cant stay still whilst anxious
knotty vigil
i channel it into jumping endlesly
mighty rain
Same but i feel like that Will bite me later
Like ill mess up somewhere because of endless jumps
knotty vigil
xd i tap my knee a lot too but i dont mean to
mighty rain
I bounce my leg but then i lose focus
mighty rain
Oh no
Dysphoria hits too much and i have anxiety
Id rather not
Ill find something out on general speedrunning help later
mighty rain
Thanks for helping out everyone ❤️
knotty vigil
of course!
mighty rain
Well its not ofc because you didnt have to help
knotty vigil
Well its not ofc because you didnt have to help
mighty rain
I love hugs! 
knotty vigil
hugs are good xd
mighty rain
I think ill finsih the poh and radiant bosses before xontinuing the speedrun
mighty rain
What i need is more skill xd
knotty vigil
practice. practice makes not perfection, but it makes you better at everything fsgfdg
mighty rain
Maybe thats why i died once to radiant nkg
limpid ruin
what you need is practice and patience
mighty rain
Need help with that 2nd one
limpid ruin
skill is a direct result of practice and experience, which both require patience
knotty vigil
yeah what cerpin says, she ahs the words lmao
knotty vigil
just keep practicing and train yourself to complete each one so you know exactly what ur doing wrong in every segment
dont rush it and think you need every part perfect at the same time
its a speedrun but take the learning process slow
mighty rain
Yeah i meant the patience
jagged vault
as khas said, mentality is a very important aspect to learning a speedrun
or anything in general
limpid ruin
you get patience through determination
like you just have to determine you want to do it, so you for example set up a plan for segments you want to learn
and then you do those
knotty vigil
you should be jumping at a point where it becomes sort of a side pogo?
jump about a third of a second earlier
i think
haughty fossil
i jump when the spore hits this dot, might need to preempt it a bit on console because input lag but this works for me on pc
then press jump at an earlier cue ig 🥴 console input lag
gusty rune
posting here to avoid the happy birthday skurry chain break but does anyone know why THK's room specifically just freezes up in 1221?
meager current
depends on ur pc ig
haughty fossil
think it's something to do with the particles on 1221? might be something dumb like THK's FSM just killing performance
hasty moat
I don't think there is anything in existence capable of understanding THK's fsm, so it makes sense that your pc couldn't handle it imo
haughty fossil
relevant
hasty moat
is that a room rando map? 🙂
haughty fossil
nah, the words on each label means something 🙂
leaden python
And half of those are rng min/rng max 
meager current
limpid ruin
didnt Bagel have THK issues he fixed somehow?
leaden python
he had them on 1221
limpid ruin
but wasnt the question on 1221?
posting here to avoid the happy birthday skurry chain break but does anyone know why THK's room specifically just freezes up in 1221?
First of all: update graphics drivers and stuffs
frigid rapids
didnt Bagel have THK issues he fixed somehow?
it was a SLOBS problem, switching to OBS Studio fixed that
leaden python
I think bagel had this issue back recently
with OBS Studio this time
We pinned it down to HDD load when game loaded particles
Like the disk spiked real hard right when freezes happened
fading fern
After some practice... Hornet 1 with 1HP is definitely not as hard as I thought 
still I'm totally gonna fail it outside of practice just like I do with Grimm
meager current
ye nkg messes up grimm the same way pv messes up thk
because you are use to faster attacks
eager pike
out of interest does anyone know how the rando tourney works? Do you use seeding? If so how do you seed bingo?
haughty fossil
both players are connected to the same bingo board, and randomization is seeded between the two players
the bingo site we use is https://bingosync.com/ if you're interested
if you're interested in rando, do ?rank randomizer racer for access to the randomizer channel
eager pike
?rank randomizer racer
sick ravenBOT
@eager pike, you joined Randomizer Racer.
tardy sable
There goes my sub 50 😦
Aftering dunking in the acid like 5 times in QGA i had to go deepnest, and then I fell in the distant village.... Feels bad
I seem to dunk where it hurts the most lol
snow dome
sob though
frigid rapids
Does 1221 debug affect cycles?
it shouldn't
normal aspen
Huh
frigid rapids
which cycles are you thinking about?
frigid rapids
those aren't affected by debug
normal aspen
Okay I mist just be playing less garbage with debug
frigid rapids
in god cycle room, the lasers are a bit RNG, but it's in both vanilla and modded
what happened in cheart room?
meager current
god pixel is pog
normal aspen
i hit the first laser a few times which i hadnt had happen before
short spire
that just happens if you climb quickly and dont slow down
normal aspen
for god pixel room im having a lot of issues beating this crystal crawler
and as I say that i get god cycle
short spire
can you take a video
normal aspen
ye
pine wadi
whats the lowest amount of conversations you can beat the game in?
normal aspen
this one isnt perfect but you get the idea
digital jewel
0
frigid rapids
whats the lowest amount of conversations you can beat the game in?
if we're talking No Major Glitches, intuitively i'd say 4, 2 from shaman snail, 1 from the Seer and 1 from Quirrel (edit: and the altar interaction, so 5)
digital jewel
oh true
jagged vault
also hornet
digital jewel
hornet isn't needed
jagged vault
idk if the skip counts
normal aspen
can fb hornet
pine wadi
blue SR hornet is skippable
harsh mason
you can skip vs and dash
digital jewel
seer and muri then nmg
pine wadi
i was thinking 5
jagged vault
yeah i figured but does the textbox appear before you skip it
pine wadi
you can skip seer can't you? going into the menu then save quitting out
digital jewel
no blue, hornet is skippable anyway
pine wadi
before the textbox appeared
harsh mason
not seer
jagged vault
i don't remember
harsh mason
when you go to dnail you have a dialog before the dream
and you have one in the dream
pine wadi
i thought 5 bcz vengeful spirit is 2 quirrel is 1 and 2 for dream nail
jagged vault
comboz seerskip is after the dialogue
short spire
this one isnt perfect but you get the idea
you could def improve the movement at the start to climb quicker, other than that tho that was a pretty unlucky laser from the top guy and it def would have been possible to still get the walldash
frigid rapids
when you go to dnail you have a dialog before the dream
oh yeah the altar interactino probably counts as a dialog
normal aspen
alright ill just practice it
short spire
dont be too afraid to dash too high on the wall, even if you hit your head on the corner on the right you can land on the platform is you just hold right
normal aspen
ah youre right
I think i was getting there on a good cycle a lot of the time and then tryna dash too low
the jump that puts me on the wall is there a particular way to do that?
or is it not too important
short spire
not sure what you mean by jump that puts you on the wall
normal aspen
this one
do i wanna be jumping from like further left and dashing higher etc
or jkust go by feel to land lined up
frigid rapids
I personally jump higher to delay the dash and make sure i don't get hit by the laser, but otherwise it's not really important, you just want to grab the wall a little sooner than what you did in the video
short spire
yeah the only thing im paying attention to with that jump really is the laser guy
normal aspen
alright cheers will have a few tries and report back
woo
getting to the god pixel/cycle bit clean like 70% or so now, thx for the help Ax and Muri 
Okay now I'm getting it even with obvious mistakes, being able to dash so much higher was really good to know (plus actually being able to walljump)
short spire
normal aspen
now obnly like 200 rooms left
frigid rapids
what i read is "WR soon"
normal aspen
large doubt
frigid rapids
doubting is like half the reason you don't have WR 😡
normal aspen
is there an option select for getting hit out of god pixel or do u just have to react?
i mean the main part was not doing proper practice so im working on it
short spire
just do a walljump off of whichever side it knocks you to
normal aspen
so just neutral until u walljump?
short spire
or if you were real quick and you get knocked to the right you might just land at the top
umm just like hold towards the wall you need to get to and then do a walljump from it
im not sure what the question is
normal aspen
ah nvm
i was just stupid
and as trying to reacxt to what direction i got knocked using a really late cue
cold kite
I have just got a new pb with a time of 2 hours and 10 minutes this is my third speedrun
What do you think guys
jagged vault
ggs!
cold kite
Hey dude i watch your streams thx
short spire
omg is that the real Blue_SR_
jagged vault
short spire
this is so epic
jagged vault
omg is that the real ax2u 😳
skurry beat your menderbug run if you didn't know already ax
cold kite
I watch both of you you guys are great
jagged vault
soon™️
leaden python
Are those Blue_SR_, good lad wr holder, and Ax2u, Myla% wr holder? 😳 omg hi guys
jagged vault
Is that valignatev, the hacker cheat program manufacturer and certified cutie? 😳 omg hiiiiii
leaden python
imagine if I'm being preemptively banned from some speed communities if someone takes this meme too seriously
thorn jasper
omg is that Amr, new speedrunner and fan of Blue and Ax 😳 omg hi
short spire
their loss for missing out on our russian cheats
jagged vault
we're a fan of you
thorn jasper
normal aspen
Iflhthkcwrhoc
burnt grove
omg is that slaurent the HK split namer and certified uuwuu ninja 😳 omg hi
jagged vault
i fucking love hollow the hollow knight community world record holder of cuteness?
the start doesn't make sense
leaden python
insomnia fucking loves hollow knight cunts who right here of course
jagged vault
but i think i got most of it
haughty fossil
i fucking lovehate thk capturing world record holders on (dash)cooldown
cold kite
I have got my first triple on hornet 1
meager current
im just here ig
meager current
i need to grind for sub hour
cold kite
Well it hapened i hit her with a soul attack in the air that stunned her and hit her twice after while still in midair
normal aspen
i fucking love hollow the hollow knight community world record holder of cutenes...
Bingo
cold kite
After she was stunned
jagged vault
she can't fly for long enough to get a triple hit
that's how you get a double though
you probably got a double and mistook it for a triple
cold kite
Maybe but I am almost sure that was a triple
leaden python
I might be misremembering something, but I have distant memories of Hornet1 triple that I've seen somewhere 🤔
cold kite
Because it hit her and pushed her back then she got hit two more times
leaden python
I'm not 100% sure that I remember it correctly tho
jagged vault
that is definitely a possibility
normal aspen
I fucking love the hollow knight community, world record holders of cuteness
cold kite
I hit her at the highest hight the knight could jump
normal aspen
Re h1 trips it may be performance tanking in weird ways like mound Baldur double hits
cold kite
But still maybe I am wrong and I don't have a recording to support it so doesn't really matter
meager current
how do you double hit the mound baldur what
leaden python
yeah insom, might as well be the case
cold kite
How do I make live splitter pause when I save warp or when I am loading
jagged vault
you have to set it to game time
right click, comparing against -> game time
that should make it work as long as you have the autosplitter set up properly
cold kite
I already did that and it didn't pause
jagged vault
have you configured the autosplitter?
cold kite
Yes
jagged vault
like, even set up the split config in the autosplitter settings?
haughty fossil
are you comparing against real time?
haughty fossil
wait i cannot read
jagged vault
did you open livesplit before or after the game
cold kite
After
cold kite
I will try a new run and check again
thorn jasper
is the timer in your layout configured correctly? should either be current comparison or game time
cold kite
I figured it out I think i will check now
Who is excited
https://c.tenor.com/9jJo8fyn0jEAAAAM/powered-up-hornet.gif
haughty fossil
i'm excited
for the upcoming all skills tourney
and upcoming hk sr showcase on HK's birthday
jagged vault
and for silksong
haughty fossil
a lot to be excited about nowadays
thorn jasper
I'll be excited in like 20 minutes after my Adderall starts kicking in
cold kite
It was fixed thanks for the help guys
haughty fossil
jagged vault
haughty fossil
(for serious this time) fire's video goes over some detailed strats for wk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlmjHynpIjc&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH&index=8&ab_channel=fireb0rn
stiff delta
I used to never be able to hit doubles or even singles when they rolled
Until i returned to tradition
i studied the ways of timesink
And now i exclusively hit triples
normal aspen
The Jelly Whisperer himself
stiff delta
Unfortunately there is no image like that for 2 cycle so i still suck at uumuu
cold kite
Hopefully I will be competing with you guys for wr someday
stiff delta
thats what im saying
thorn jasper
Unfortunately there is no image like that for 2 cycle so i still suck at uumuu
hang on
dull lion
We should get a bot that keeps a running counter of how many people ask for help with watchers, fireball skips, etc. in this chat. Not that there’s anything wrong with people asking, but it would be entertaining to see how quickly it goes up
true hound
how do you do the mantis skip?
limpid ruin
Mantis pogo?
true hound
the one to get to the mantis claw in the mantis village
where you hit the lever and then you have to pogo the mantis in order to get to the mantis claw bit
limpid ruin
With epogo or with going around?
true hound
with epogo
limpid ruin
If you check in resources here on discord there is a "double dash mantis pogo" or something like that by ax which just shows it with input display
Watching that and almost just trying to recreate it in your mind is a good way to internalise the timings of it
dull lion
There’s a bunch of methods really and they’re all fairly complicated to explain without seeing so I’d definitely try and find a tutorial
limpid ruin
Bc it's definitely tricky at first
true hound
ok thank you! im finding the 3 mantis strategy a lot easier, and it's more consistent now(at least for me)
deft flame
ok thank you! im finding the 3 mantis strategy a lot easier, and it's more consi...
when you dash from the upper level to the lower level, do it as high as you can, that is important so that the mantis on the right behaves correctly
sour flame
Heey, I'm looking for some help with Downpatching Hollowknight, not sure if this is the right channel
Yeah, I'm downpatching steam but it doesn't seem to be working
Thank oyu
carmine yew
Are you following the guide on speedrun com?
sour flame
I am
carmine yew
What’s the error you are getting
sour flame
I'll move over to help
Oh okay, thank you
Okay so basically when I run the program thing it says this
And I have the feeling it's not supposed to say that
And when I lauch steam using the directive through Run, it looks like
But I can't input the thing I need to
The command*
Thank you in advance for everyone's help
carmine yew
I’ll be honest I’ve never used the new method but someone will certainly be able to help soon
sour flame
I have not, didn't realize I had to, I will give it a try
No problem, thank you for trying to help!
true hound
what relics are taken using the any% speedrun route?
deft flame
what relics are taken using the any% speedrun route?
what do you mean by relics? the items you sell?
true hound
yes, to relic seeker lemm
limpid ruin
what relics are taken using the any% speedrun route?
The two above King's Station, and the one by wk geo chest
deft flame
right, you should take a look at the any% guide. But you take a wanderer's journal on the way from dream nail to king's station, a hallownest seal at king's station and the hallownest seal after lurien
true hound
yes, there is the wanderers journal in the city of tears, seal at kings station and lurien seal
any other relics?
deft flame
any other relics?
no
limpid ruin
And the one above mantis village after claw if you do nail 1 route
haughty fossil
is steam patcher busted again 
haughty fossil
https://github.com/fifty-six/zig.SteamManifestPatcher/releases/tag/v3 was it this release?
(this is the one linked on the pinned guide on srcom)
sour flame
Is that the version I should have? If so I'll uninstall the one I have and try that one
haughty fossil
you can try that yeah
sour flame
Thank you
haughty fossil
if it doesn't work then ping 56 and move to the depotdownloader method i guess
deft flame
are you spamming nail button?
what i do is time nail button instead of spamming it and on the third hit you hit + jump at the same time
then you have more than enough time
limpid ruin
This is how
https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME
rotund tide
:elderwave:
deft flame
it takes practice. try it with just the first WK while he's alone at first
until you get the rhythm down
haughty fossil
the trick is to realise how early they become vulnerable after coming out of rolling
deft flame
use savestates to go back to the start of the fight when the second watcher wakes up so that you can keep trying with just one
oh
yeah thats harsh
limpid ruin
That's exactly why you practice like that
He specifically says to just get the nail rhythm down and avoid getting hit
Then throw in fireballs once you're comfortable with the basic rhythm
But yep, it is definitely a hard fight and it just takes time and a calm, patient mindset
deft flame
it really does take a while, be patient and keep trying
livid stirrup
You'll get it. It was hard to start doing the fight the right/fast way, but practice pays off
deft flame
hmmm yeah i think so
you'll also need to be really patient to learn THK later too so take this chance to get used to spending a lot of time practicing
im not the best but yes i am
i play melee mostly
but also played a bit of dragon ball fighterz
that's true
the thing is I find boss fights in hollow knight more fun to practice than regular fighting game practice, so that helps a lot for me
unless it's uumuu, fuck uumuu
orchid pawn
Dunno if anyone here is interested
https://youtu.be/kSbdycDBSgQ
leaden python
yeah we've been simping for this video whole day
cyan inlet
does anyone know what causes a soft lock whenever going through the initial dreamers cutscene in v 1.2.2.1?
neon island
Yeah, are you dashing before interacting with it?
cyan inlet
let me watch it back
i actually didnt dash, i actually accidentally swung my nail twice before starting the cutscene
ill post here 1 sec
twin swallow
you interacted whilst not grounded
neon island
^
twin swallow
no idea why that happens but yeah, make sure you're not dashing or in the air when trying to interact
burnt grove
great start
I found it useful to practice dodging 2 of them for a while, using nail only when I was going to fall onto a rolling one
I still do it as a drill when I find myself taking more damage than expected
dull lion
That TAS is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen
burnt grove
I also used to set a strict policy of healing when I was at 3 masks and had 1.5 seconds to do it
yeah, take the damage variable out by practicing just dodging
it'll become more instinctual, which frees up your brain so you can practice damaging them
there's a ridiculous amount to learn to do very well and very quickly, so scope it down to smaller learning tasks
deft flame
its hard, but you can heal when both attack at the same time and you manage to start healing while they're still finishing the attack
burnt grove
after they finish a move, they wait about 1 second before doing the next
deft flame
or when you kill one and the next hasnt spawned yet
burnt grove
^
it's hard to make opportunities to heal in this fight, and sometimes they don't give you an opportunity, and that's ok
deft flame
exactly, don't just stop fighting because you wanna heal
sometimes they wont even let you at all
just fight them and keep on the lookout for the opportunity at the same time
ok so at the start of the dream nail sequence
the one where you get dream nail i mean
in 1221 you should drop from the platform and "die" so that the moth thingy spawns faster
does that also work for current patch?
carmine yew
It does but the getting the inventory drop is hard
So it’s generally not considered worth iirc
deft flame
It does but the getting the inventory drop is hard
oh so its only faster if you inventory drop?
neon island
Yeah, I think it also only saves time if you are doing loadless
on RTA, I think it is faster not to
carmine yew
Only if you inventory drop yeah
Otherwise it’s definitely slower
Yeah it’s also not faster RTA
carmine yew
Yeah unless you’re hitting that inventory drop consistently don’t worry about it
formal bough
btw the person asking about minimum conversation, you don't want to get VS. You want to get long nail from salubra for a long nail baldur greenpath enterence and then do an itemless shade skip to obtain wraiths so that you can do queens station wraiths skip into claw.
digital jewel
oh right
yeah I was acting like you need vs or cloak
but you can get wraiths instead
harsh coral
Hi I'm using fireb0rns speedrunning setup guide and when I attempt to open the modded version of hollow knight i just open the standard version is this a common issue?
deft flame
Hi I'm using fireb0rns speedrunning setup guide and when I attempt to open the m...
you're sure you properly installed modding API and debug mod?
harsh coral
Yes I believe so and I can see the seperate version there but when i press play on it it starts running the other version of hollow knight
might just delete this version and retry
deft flame
did you use ModInstaller?
harsh coral
harsh coral
Will do thank you
deft flame
its easier than manual installation
dont forget to set the hollow knight main folder path to the installation you want to be modded, and not default installation
harsh coral
Wow that is so mucheasier thank you
frigid rapids
are you on 1221 or CP tho? Cause ModInstaller only works for Current Patch
deft flame
are you on 1221 or CP tho? Cause ModInstaller only works for Current Patch
oh for real? sorry i didnt know that
frigid rapids
yes
sour flame
Hey just wondering if anyone might know why I can't seem to get my controller to work on the game? I'm trying to set up for speed running and I've downpatched it for 1.2.2.1 and I have the Dubug Mod installed
digital jewel
is it a switch pro controller
sour flame
Ps 4
digital jewel
should work fine hmm
sour flame
Yeah it's weird, it doesn't take any inputs
digital jewel
do you have ds4windows?
sour flame
It is the steam version but I didn't downpatch using steam cuz it wasn't working, but I ported it into steam so I can launch it in big picture but even that's not working
sour flame
do you have ds4windows?
I don't, no, should I give it a try?