speedrunning

[steady lynx]

For any% NMG it's 1221

[weary root]

1575 imo

[steady lynx]

I like 1028 and 1114

[nova gust]

Is that the one where you can get levers through walls?

[steady lynx]

Yes

1221 is also funnily enough possibly the single worst patch for glitched speedruns

[gray ember]

only speedrun i can think of that this patch is optimal for is any% AG dupeless bc of elevator storage

[steady lynx]

It's technically equally optimal for anything nmg where 1578 is optimal since the only real difference doesn't matter for nmg

But both means playing on 1.5, so one has to ask if it's worth it

[analog pawn]

yeah the term time attack is taken from the japanese term

[drowsy sluice]

What's the best version for running LP?

[stable quarry]

Depends on the category. For any% AG it's 1575
Any% NMMS it's 1315
Any% NMG it's 1432
And there are obviusly other categories than any%

[gray ember]

why 1432 for NMG? doesnt the ismas route not pick up spore shroom?

[steady lynx]

It doesn't, but, opening inventory out of dash saves just enough to be faster than 1.5's elevator squeezes

Also WK backrolls

They shouldn't have added those back

[finite swift]

Whats wr glitchless?

[vagrant warren]

What category? (You can look yourself on src)

[finite swift]

Any%

[finite swift]

Ok thanks

[proud forge]

how do people get 5 masks in godseeker mode

[vagrant warren]

with debug

[proud forge]

is that a mod?

[potent plaza]

it's everyone's favourite npc

de-bug.

rumoured to be related to elder-bug

[proud forge]

dang

[potent plaza]

(sorry lame joke)

[proud forge]

pretty cool joke but actually what is it

[potent plaza]

I don't know exactly in this case, but lots of games have a debug menu that devs tend to use for various things

[vagrant warren]

it is in fact a mod

[potent plaza]

oh lol

[vagrant warren]

I'd imagine there may also be pre-setup save files available either on SRC or in the speedrun server

[proud forge]

yeah i got a save file, thanks

[fleet jolt]

Another good pace completely lost

[onyx topaz]

im not really showing off a speedrun here but I think its still, quite literally one of the most impressive things yall will see. Im a 15yo kid that recently got hollow knight, and in the time span of 80 hours - some of the best 80 hours- I managed to do the pantheon with not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 bindings at once.

[sturdy glade]

ok

[cedar plaza]

I need to learn flukes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/831250080957857822.gif?size=48

[vague bramble]

i have a question about the all achievements category. does it end when you get the last achievement or when credits roll with all the achievements?

ik the current route has both of these things happen at the same time but if they didn't, how would it work

[sturdy glade]

it ends on game completion

just like every main board category

[weary root]

I mean technically it ends on last achievement, but the loadless timer doesn't run during credits anyway, and the last achievement is like dream no more or something so functionally it ends when the timer stops after final boss

[sturdy glade]

Yeah I meant timer stops on game completion

[vague bramble]

i know the last achievement in the current run is dream no more, the question was if you did it in a different order (e.g. got all the endings then killed the nailsmith) could you have it end once you get that last achievement

idk if this is in a doc somewhere, if it is my bad

[sturdy glade]

I believe the run ends when you beat the game with the full requirements (with dream no more being a small technicality for aa as you get it after the credits roll)

You can't get godhome ending then get the last 3% for 112 and end on seer ascension or wtvr

ignoring the fact that you have to wait through the entirety of the credits

[vague bramble]

i dont think this is a problem, i think the run would be faster if you didnt have to end it by beating the game

which is why i asked

[weary root]

Mostly it's that it's a main board category, which all end on credits.

plenty of category extensions end on other things

[vague bramble]

yeah i didnt know this was a general rule, this was the only category where i thought it would make sense for it not to be that way

thank you

on that note though, if all achievements is two runs, why not do all 4 endings in the long one and skip the dreamers in the short one

im sure there must be a reason but im just curious

[sturdy glade]

credits take a while and you don't really save much of anything by not ending on a game completion

what

could not fathom how this helps hiveblood%

When was this said lmao

Oh I think I remember that

[vague bramble]

i thought that you could beat all 4 endings on one file, then you wouldn't have to get an ending on the other one and that would save time on the dreamers, etc

i thought about it and the problem with that, i guess, is that steel soul doesnt unlock on a new file unless you beat the game once, and you need to beat the game on steel soul, so it makes sense to beat the game in both playthroughs

steel soul doesn't unlock on a new file unless you beat the game once
unless you can get around this somehow and still be doing all achievements

[drowsy sluice]

wait how come it ends after dream no more? wouldn't you need to satifsy the dnm requirements on the etv file

or do you finish the second steel soul 100% file on thk and go back?

[vague bramble]

etv is done before dnm it's weird

[drowsy sluice]

oh so they are on one file

and the steel soul skips kingsoul?

[sturdy glade]

yes you need to unlock steel soul

[vague bramble]

the steel soul is the long one

[sturdy glade]

first file is only unlocking steel soul and the 3 lockout cheevos

[drowsy sluice]

oh right

[sturdy glade]

you do p5 and then go do sealed siblings and dnm iirc

[drowsy sluice]

so thk + banish + kill nailsmith + let zote die?

[sturdy glade]

yes

[drowsy sluice]

or do you do gpz so you don't need gpz in p3/5

ok

[sturdy glade]

doing gpz file one would be a ton of work

[drowsy sluice]

right

[drowsy sluice]

is there a reason behind this or is it just preference/reducing the time to reset if you sell the pantheons

[sturdy glade]

idr

[vague bramble]

i think it might have something to do with the hunters journal

cause you get mark in between

maybe the flukemunga

[drowsy sluice]

oh yeah true

[weary root]

It's cause you get the White Defender achievement from beating him in pantheons if you bench somewhere outside of pantheons after.
So you don't have to fight him in overworld this way

this only works with WD and GPZ not the other dream refights, and the GPZ achievement is only doable this way with glitches

oh yeah it also means they do gpz after pantheons so that's 2 less fights in pantheons

[vague bramble]

can you do it in godseeker mode

[weary root]

yeah and then mms out

so you do p1-3 to unlock godseeker mode, then you mms into a godseeker file and fight gpz in p5, then mms out into a normal file and bench to get the cheevo

[vague bramble]

oh does it not work if you just bench in godhome outside the pantheon

[weary root]

yeah has to be a bench in overworld

[vague bramble]

oh

i guess theres no point of doing that in the speedrun anyway

since you need bretta for the mask shard

[weary root]

yeah there's all kinds of reasons it might not be worth

noones done a glitched run yet cause it's kinda awful

it might be worth cause you have invulnerability + fury for the pantheon fight which is impossible for the overworld one

[vague bramble]

cant you do it in hall of gods anyway

[sturdy glade]

meemee did Aaag

[vague bramble]

is it specified anywhere in the rules that you have to start without steel soul unlocked

or could you get rid of the achievements in a way that keeps the gamemodes

[weary root]

It should be yes, this is something that has been discussed and the ruling was they have to be unlocked during the run

[cedar shadow]

How hard is it to speedrun any% nmg?

My goal is to get it inside 2 hours

[turbid patio]

Shouldn't take that long

If u learn the route and male sure ur not gonna chain die to bosses

You could ger extra equipment loel shade soul and or a nail upgrade if u struggle om bosses

[sturdy glade]

it has to be on a fresh registry which mirrors you just buying the game

[winged python]

I‘ll be struggling on watcher knights everytime😬

[civic moon]

does it exist live split for path of pain speedrun ?

[weary root]

https://hksplitmaker.com/

[civic moon]

why it dont start ?

how can i do autostart

@weary root

@raven holly

[weary root]

You need to activate the autospltter

Right click -> edit splits -> click the activate button

Then you're going to have to download the splits from hksplitmaker again cause it breaks if you add it before activating the autospltter

[civic moon]

like this M

?

[weary root]

Yeah you have to download them again and add the new one to livesplit

[civic moon]

thx it zork noz

now

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1262680500338688072/1384235400272416798/982495335337324554.gif

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-gif-25818512

[vague bramble]

im curious how long it would take to do a run viewing every line of dialogue

ik it's horribly long and no one's ever done it but has anyone thought about it/tried to route it

[sturdy glade]

elderbug% does every elder bug dialogue and is horrific

3 saves iirc

[vague bramble]

i think cloth needs 3 as well

[weary root]

elderbug% is on src and is giving the flower to elderbug

all elderbug dialogue is the one you're thinking of

[vague bramble]

how long is that

[weary root]

the only run of it is 5 hours long 🙂

[sturdy glade]

:)

[vague bramble]

im wondering if a human can do all dialogue in less than like a day

[steady lynx]

True all elderbug dialogue would be getting every possible dialogue in every language you can set the game to

[vague bramble]

nah only the english dialogue is canon

[sturdy glade]

that's crazy

[vague bramble]

i dont make the rules this is the scholarly consensus in #hk-lore

[steady lynx]

Lore isn't real, it's just a scam to make people watch videos on it

[glossy tendon]

the graphic of this game is terrible when do we get 3d like gta

[cedar shadow]

How can I get the speedrun timer?

[static umbra]

It’s called livesplit. Read this guide for details on how to set it up https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl

[rapid quail]

do all the "top players" (speedrunners no hit runners etc) use keyboard or can you actually get used to positioning the left stick of a controller to consistently up/down swing

ive been playing for a bit now and still mess up a decent amount

[weary root]

I would say most use keyboard, but a decent number use controller, but more commonly with dpad than analog stick

[rapid quail]

tbh i never would have thought of using dpad

i guess it makes sense though

[restive kayak]

hii

i'm neww

[weary root]

hi neww

[steady lynx]

I swap between dpad and analog a lot during runs, but it's mainly analog

[weary root]

I use right analog to press enter

[rapid quail]

is one seen as harder than the other?

as in keyboard and dpad

or just takes a while to get used to dpad

[drowsy sluice]

Dpad is generally considered more precise but it will take a while to get used to yeah

[rough gale]

hello guys im new to speedruning and i struggle to set my auto spliter the Vengeful spirit won't split can someone help ?

[timid cypress]

Can you speedrun on a switch ?

[sturdy glade]

just go fast

[weary root]

Have you activated the autosplitter?
Right click -> edit splits -> click activate

[vagrant warren]

Console runs are separated from pc runs, so it's an even field

[gaunt shell]

bro what the actual fuck is the current any% wr

when was the baldur skip discovered

why havent i seen a 2 hour long video essay on this

[gray ember]

the fact that it can be done has been known for at least 3 years i think (probably more), it has been done in TASes for quite a long time, and it has used by human runners for a few month

[gaunt shell]

is there any other currently TAS exclusive skip that I don't know about?

[vagrant warren]

Which ones do you know?

[gaunt shell]

uhhh the non-TAS exlusive?

the human ones

the ones done in any% records

[vagrant warren]

The big one that always comes to mind is killing uumuu with a jellyfish bomb

[gaunt shell]

uhhhh how

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. And the tas just kites it down there.

[gaunt shell]

bruh i just looked it up ts crazy

[hidden sundial]

You kill the bomb thing and have it spin around you until Uumuu opens to 1 hit it

Obviously not humanly possible

...I think, with some players you never know

[gaunt shell]

is the jellyfish bomb coded to do like 1000 damage

oh 9999

even better

[gray ember]

as ColetteMSLP said, there's that, in the newest TAS, all the geo of the watcher knight's chest goes in the same place due to RNG manipulation (not sure if we can callit a skip tho), there are lots of TAS only techniques that exist, and some All Gliches skips are TAS only

[mint mist]

this is actually a really funny question

and the answer is bc the trick was first used in a wr any% run like 12 hours or less after the 2 hour speedrunning video essay was uploaded

[gaunt shell]

oh wow lmao thats funny

[hidden sundial]

Yeah there was this massive vid 1.5 years after the previous WR that got dated very quickly lmao

[drowsy sluice]

blue's?

[sturdy glade]

the kp breaking floor skip is tas only

the goam shard statue pogo is lag dependent for humans but tas can tft for it iirc

[uneven pivot]

Hey everyone, so trying to get into the Any % run but cannot for the life of me get the baulder without VS, any tips? cant find anything anywhere

[vagrant warren]

Biggest tip: don't do ibaldur to start

For up to date resources on it tho, join the pinned speedrun server

[uneven pivot]

Where would i find a link to join that?

[vagrant warren]

In the pins

[uneven pivot]

Thank you

[nova carbon]

Would certainly recommend learning the VS route first, then trying out Ibaldur

[mint mist]

i wouldn’t recommend trying out ibaldur

[nova carbon]

I don’t plan on ever running it. Idk if it even works on 4.3.2.1+, what I play on

[mint mist]

ibaldur is very doable on 1432+ yes

if you do wanna learn it, lep has a bunch of visual cues and an example video in the speedrunning discord

[nova carbon]

It’s not a stray I’m familiar with so idk much about it. I know vaguely how it’s done, that’s it

[mint mist]

but it’s really difficult to get used to

[nova carbon]

I don’t plan on learning it, I can’t use fury strata later in the run anyways

[mint mist]

i only really learned it for rando, and even then rando baldurs die very quickly so it’s a lot more comfortable

i would have to put in a couple hours more practice at least before i’d feel comfy attempting to get it in a vanilla setting

some of the best runners i know say 60% consistency is a good day

it’s such a high bar

[sacred thunder]

Ibaldur technically is 2 ish year old tech, but it was first done using spits for the knockback, which turned out to be pure bullshit, some people did get hits off using that but no one killed it RTA
But what made it usable in speedruns and such was the discovery of a set up using the shade which made it human viable, if much slower than it could optimally be using the spit Tas only strat

[fallow trench]

Wait isn't ibaldur the goofy ass strat where you use fury and take damage to knock yourself back into the buldar to skip vengeful spirit

[fallow trench]

Ok that answers it lmao

[sacred thunder]

Lul

[fallow trench]

And would it not be more viable to use the enemies that they spit out

Dang i suck at remember enemy names

[sacred thunder]

They don’t spit them out unless you obtain vengeful spirit

[fallow trench]

Oh

I haven't attempted a full proper speedrun yet so like

[sacred thunder]

Not sure if getting vengeful spirit, then doing ibaldur would be faster than shade skipping but I have an itch it won’t

[fallow trench]

Or you could just follow normal any% and not skip vengeful😭

Ibaldur saves what

Wait actually

Ibaldur saves like an entire 2 or so minutes

Also weird question but why does everyone go to queens garden to get to deepnest

Is that just in order to skip mantis lords l

[mint mist]

the alternative route would be entering deepnest through left side fungal, like where you get spore shroom

[fallow trench]

(I've platinumed this game and i still haven't put these together lmao)

[mint mist]

qga route saves 30-40 seconds iirc

[fallow trench]

Eh

And that's only if you get it first try

[mint mist]

i wouldn’t say that

a ten second range is pretty fat

[fallow trench]

Well from what I've seen it doesn't really work out for most speedrunners

[fallow trench]

And i know

I know

But like

[mint mist]

who are you watching

[fallow trench]

From the people I've seen do it atleast

Which isn't much

I can't remember names cuz my memory sucks ass apparently

[mint mist]

that is a very different sentence

most speedrunners can hit qga in a few tries max

[steady lynx]

If you've practiced enough it's worth it

[fallow trench]

Oml you get what i mean with it tho😭

It's a difficult strat that's all

[fallow trench]

And yeah ik

[steady lynx]

If runners just fail it 5 times a run it's time to boot up debugmod to practice

[fallow trench]

Well tbf it is like what

2 frame perfects in a row

Or is it just the one

[mint mist]

its hard to minimize to frames

it depends on your falling speed, but there’s a lot more wiggle room than you’d think

[fallow trench]

Gng i somehow used to fall off of the final room path of pain wall thingies

No amount of wiggle room is saving me🙏

[mint mist]

everyone starts somewhere!

[fallow trench]

Lmao

I'll do a speedrun once im home

Don't exactly have a way of timing it fully tho

So I'll just use the ingame timer or some bs like that

I can't be asked setting up a split today so

[mint mist]

good luck!

it’s all determination at the end of the day

[fallow trench]

The only speedrun tactics I've ever actually done is the first shade skip and chandelier

Except chandelier is a normal thing

[dawn junco]

You should do greenpath mosquito pogo to get to the ledge hornet is on

[fallow trench]

I already do that

Wait is that not intended

[static umbra]

its impossible to say with 100% certainty what is intended or not in hollow knight without like asking tc themselves, but i would imagine that most first time players would not do the squit pogo and instead go the long way around through greenpath

[rough gale]

yes i did but it's just not going to the next split and when i try to do it manually (and i really wanna avoid that) it's splitting my first segment and the next at the same time so yh shi is weird

i activated the auto splitter and my timer start by itself anyway when my game is starting but the segments won't split

and im kinda sad i was enjoying the firsts minutes of the speedrun

[gaunt shell]

how hard is the baldur shade skip in the new wrs

do they get it pretty regularly or is it like really difficult

[sturdy glade]

it's pretty damn hard but they get it somewhat regularly

I think the very best have like 50%

[gaunt shell]

50% is massive

so its managable

is it even the biggest chokepoint of the run then

[hidden sundial]

I mean, it's one of those things I like to call possible

[gray ember]

(i'd say even higher), Zvupurr is so consistent at this that's crazy

when ibaldur in rando logic?

[gaunt shell]

do they ever fail the fury boss fights

[hidden sundial]

Also keep in mind the fury strat has you do kind of a big chunk of the game on 1 health

[gaunt shell]

how does this route compare to the previous in terms of difficulty anyway

I feel like the previous was somewhat consistent n shi this one is kinda insane

[hidden sundial]

I'd say it's significantly harder

The old route had a few parts that are no longer a thing (IE right side rafters) but overall this one's harder

Also the 1 HP factor can be very stressful

[gaunt shell]

I've thought about a fury strength overcharm before lol

I assume strength is just really out of the way

[mint mist]

i remember for the vanilla bingy tournament, cron said he would only attempt it if he had 60% consistency or higher that day

[gaunt shell]

attempt the baldur skip?

[mint mist]

mhm

and he did, so i guess that level of consistency is attainable within those parameters

[gaunt shell]

makes me think why it hasnt been done for so long when you can get that consistent at it

being 1 hp half the run is really difficult i guess

[mint mist]

it wasn’t thought to be rta viable until pretty recently

[gaunt shell]

still I would have thought some madman would have attempted that earlier

[gaunt shell]

what changed

[hidden sundial]

The shade skip setup

[mint mist]

setting up the damage tanks with the shade

^^

[hidden sundial]

It was previously only known to be doable with the spits which was god damn awful

[mint mist]

i forget when eloki’s video came out

2 years, wild

and then i guess labbing fury in made it reasonable to execute

4 turnarounds is a lot less than 7

7? 6?

[gaunt shell]

...

[gaunt shell]

i dont even know how youd do it with spit

[mint mist]

rng

[gray ember]

knockback

[gaunt shell]

so is it still theoritically faster

with perfect rng

[exotic spoke]

Why don't speedrunners spend the extra time to get dash master

[mint mist]

yeah

[hidden sundial]

Yeah, TAS does it with spit

[mint mist]

but that rng isn’t like

good

[hidden sundial]

Because it's not worth it for some categories

[gray ember]

rng doesn't need to be perfect afaik, but still pretty good

[mint mist]

any% nmg is already pretty dead, but that big of a gamble less than two minutes into the run would outright end it

[gaunt shell]

better less than 2 minutes than more imo

[gray ember]

but i thought speedrunners loved doing the very begining of a speedrun, especially kp, over and over again!

[gaunt shell]

i imagine the previous route was more fun

i havent done either

[gray ember]

it is still being done, very few people do ibaldur, maybe like 4 or 5

[mint mist]

any% nmg wasn’t the most exciting category ever, but it was accessible i think

[gaunt shell]

what is the exciting category

[gray ember]

Great Hopper%

[gaunt shell]

that does sound exciting

[gray ember]

All Grubs All Gliches

[gaunt shell]

i hate all glitches

[mint mist]

csc is just gh% but better

[gaunt shell]

whats scs

csc

[mint mist]

clawless shade cloak

[gray ember]

right, it's good

[gaunt shell]

weird

[gray ember]

i love all gliches

but learning some dupes can be very annoying

[gaunt shell]

I could never care about it cuz it's not even the same game anymore

to me at least

like what r we doing nocliping everywhere

[mint mist]

of the official categories, i think 112 is one of the cooler ones but most people don’t have ~3 hour runs in them

i definitely don’t

[gaunt shell]

what about TE

is that cool

[mint mist]

it’s cool,

[hidden sundial]

NKG% let's go

[mint mist]

holy

[gaunt shell]

getting the grim disciple thingies the flames sounds annoying in a speedrun

and kinda boring ig

[hidden sundial]

It's pretty fast with Shade Soul

[mint mist]

i’m told ghostbusters is a good run

[hidden sundial]

But overall it's on the easier end, no really hard tech required at least

[gaunt shell]

what is it? all dream warriors?

soul sanctum shi?

[mint mist]

ghosts

[hidden sundial]

Of course NKG fight without Shade Cloak, Dive and 5 health is not too trivial

[mint mist]

gravedigger, vespa, cloth, marissa, poggy, joni

and spirit’s glade too i think

[gaunt shell]

i never need shade dash for NKG

what attack would u need it for

or does it just make it faster

[hidden sundial]

You don't really NEED it, but it does help

The situation I usually use it would be if after pillars you get a dash uppercut and are cornered

[gaunt shell]

I guess yeah it sounds useful there

[mint mist]

nkg% gets shade soul?

[hidden sundial]

Yeah

[mint mist]

holy peak into storerooms synergy

wait

that’s so hype

[hidden sundial]

Mhm

[gray ember]

are there some nkg shadesoul double hits?

[hidden sundial]

Yeah

With the bat attack you can get them sometimes

[mint mist]

ooooh arm hitbox

silly

[gray ember]

i guess if you have time all achievements would be fun besides the hunters requirements

[mint mist]

hunter isn’t percentage

[gray ember]

it's 2 achievements

[mint mist]

i think the least fun part of the run would be godhome

oh you said all achievements

[hidden sundial]

All achievements it's incredibly long

Like, absurdly so

[mint mist]

don’t tell saku i said this but

all skills is good

[hidden sundial]

@ saku

Never ran it because I never learned darknest

[mint mist]

low% looks really fun but that would require learning dark rooms dashless

[hidden sundial]

And I find dark rooms very stressful

[mint mist]

i did deepnest big room grub in the dark today

[gray ember]

i like skips, but dark rooms are just a painful thing to learn

[mint mist]

shook me to my core

i think ddark dark room with cdash is 100% worth learning

[gray ember]

only one i kinda learned

[mint mist]

and then like the fast way to galien would probably be next

and then den from qg maybe

[hidden sundial]

Yeah peak dark room is the most important IMO

[hidden sundial]

Also useful

[mint mist]

the first dark room i learned was no eyes, and then i realized it’s fucking useless

[hidden sundial]

Yeah

[mint mist]

nerth should bingy

[hidden sundial]

I should probably get good at the game, yea

[steady lynx]

It's not too bad

[hidden sundial]

A Rando gamble let's go

[mint mist]

:D

genuinely yeah

[hidden sundial]

I'd say it's a good thing around 5% of the times

[mint mist]

26 geo with my goddamn name on it

[hidden sundial]

It's the kind that is completely awful and slow but you have to do because what if the other player did it and got 40 mins earlier to claw

[mint mist]

oh like rando racing

i’ve never tried that

seems like gambling with like a bunch of tiny knowledge checks to give you better odds or cut your losses

[hidden sundial]

Feels like that, completely isn't

[mint mist]

[hidden sundial]

It's a constant decision making challenge

Where the higher skilled player wins 95% of the time

[mint mist]

i see a lot of the regular players consistently getting sub 2 hours

[hidden sundial]

(Because yeah, sometimes that randomly placed World Sense at Nosk that the unexperienced player did is what defines the winner)

Yeah time also greatly depends on format and settings

But the idea is generally doing races that are sub 2 hours

Geo rocks are kinda forbidden

[mint mist]

[hidden sundial]

But the usual solo settings involve GTTOS (13x13 board where the goal is to get a column 13 goal marked and you start with only col 1 goals visible) with some rough settings

Usually having Claw being at awful spots

[mint mist]

interesting

[hidden sundial]

Not hand picked, obviously, but using an injector that places it very late in logic

[mint mist]

so rando racing isn’t typically centered around getting an ending? i always see screenshots of the IGT

[hidden sundial]

It's not. You can use a mod that goes to the IGT screen

[mint mist]

i see i see

that makes it seem a lot less rng and a lot more like bingy

[potent summit]

Hey all, quick question on downpatching. I'm currently on the current patch since I've just played the game casually, but I'm looking at running 1.2.2.1. If I downpatch, will my save data be wiped from my other files? I'm at like 108% on my main file, currently in godhome and don't want to lose that progress

[steady lynx]

Your saves will be fine, just don't open them on older patches

[potent summit]

Whew, ok thanks!

Is there a different way to downpatch besides just going to properties > betas > and selecting 1.2.2.1? The video I was watching from Fireborn says the steam method they used is outdated

[steady lynx]

Steam console window downpatch still works, but it's more inconvenient

It's mainly for if you need an older patch that isn't 1221

[hidden sundial]

Yeah, it has different goals but usually bingo format is involved in some way

[potent summit]

Ok thanks!

[cobalt lake]

Does anyone know the record for

is parkur very difficult?

in a white place

I forgot the name

[steady lynx]

Path of Pain?

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/runs/zg68g30m

[timid cypress]

What's a good category to start with ?

[drowsy sluice]

probably just any%

no ibaldur, take deepnest route instead of qga

there's also a variation of any% which loses like 20 seconds to get a nail upgrade for watchers

[timid cypress]

Whats ibaldur and qga ?

[steady lynx]

Really difficult trick and kinda difficult trick

iBaldur in particular is really unfriendly for new runners, so it's not recommended unless you really want to go fast

[timid cypress]

Is there some good software to speedrun on switch ?

[weary root]

Not really no, just have to play the game

It's annoying cause it makes it hard to practise stuff

[timid cypress]

Timing software

[weary root]

Livesplit is what we use for a timer

Console runs are all in real time though

[timid cypress]

What does that mean ?

[weary root]

Pc we use a load remover cause everyone's loads are different lengths. It reads game data so it's not possible to do on console

[steady lynx]

Timing starts on save/difficulty select, timing ends on black screen after final boss, everything between is timed with a real time timer

[bitter jewel]

any% 1.4.3.2+nmg. Just go with latest patch tho

ah but dont go the ismas route

its brutal

if you need more help you can ask me anytime

[steady lynx]

If you're on 1432 which console is stuck on, not doing QGA isn't too much of a timeloss btw, you can pick up Spore shroom on the way to Deepnest then and use it for the broken THK kill

[bitter jewel]

dang didnt know console is stuck on that patch

[steady lynx]

At least they don't get landn't

[bitter jewel]

thats a bad thing no

no slaurfall then

[timid cypress]

But you need it to finish the game ?

[steady lynx]

Isma's tear?

Nah, it's a useless charm

[timid cypress]

It's not a charm ?

[bitter jewel]

you need either ismas tear And wings or crystal heart

the fastest route gets ismas and wings but its scary very scary

also you cant even do it because you don't have acess to lp

[timid cypress]

Whats lp ?

[bitter jewel]

latest patch

[steady lynx]

Which part of the Isma's skip is impossible on 1432?

[bitter jewel]

stall ball pretty sure

[weary root]

Slopeballs are 1.3+ iirc

They're definitely on 1.4

[bitter jewel]

mhm

maybe ismas tear route is possible on 1432 then?

[steady lynx]

3rd place in any% 1432+ NMG is a run on 1432 that does Isma's route iirc

[hidden sundial]

Yep that's correct

[bitter jewel]

dang i was misinformed then mb for spreading it

@timid cypress feel free to do ismas ig

[drowsy sluice]

by broken do you mean like bugged or just quick?

[timid cypress]

Okey thanks

[steady lynx]

Bugged, but allowed in NMG

[drowsy sluice]

what's the bug specifically? I used it and killed thk really quickly once but I didn't know exactly why

[vagrant warren]

I think thk has multiple hit boxes & it hits them all at once or something

[steady lynx]

Yeah that's basically it

[drowsy sluice]

how many?

[steady lynx]

It ends up doing over a hundred damage for each spore shroom burst

[drowsy sluice]

oh

[steady lynx]

They fixed it in 1.5, and also made it so Radiance takes damage from Spore Shroom

[drowsy sluice]

is spore shroom the reason why long deepnest route isn't too much of a timeloss?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, but it only works on 1432 (And 1424, but 1424 isn't real)

[drowsy sluice]

i did it on 1.5 though

qol readds it i'm guessing?

[steady lynx]

Probably, I don't know mods at all

[hidden sundial]

Also the fact that QG thorn skip is patched on recent versions, making QG slightly slower

[drowsy sluice]

is it worth overcharming for thk then or do you just run catcher spore shroom?

[steady lynx]

You just remove Shaman after Herrah on the bench, you just don't use VS at THK at all

[weary root]

Yeah all the soul goes into focusing

[drowsy sluice]

oh does the bug work in phase 1 too

i only noticed it during the stabbing phase

[steady lynx]

It works for every phase

Oddly enough it doesn't work on PV despite the fsm almost being a carbon copy, but I also doubt that you'd realistically try to use it anyway

[weary root]

Overcharming is actually even worse cause in order to get a full focus off reliably you need to use damage tank iframes

[steady lynx]

You'd also have to do the entire overcharm animation

[bitter jewel]

Bro trust me when I say it's a very very bad idea to start with that route

I've been throught it (had to quit)

[drowsy sluice]

i thought isma's was the better route on 1432+?

[vagrant warren]

yeah but it's ass LOL

[drowsy sluice]

oh so better potential but it just sucks to do

fair

[steady lynx]

Well, 1st and 2nd place are also Isma's route, but on 1578

[bitter jewel]

It's roughly a minute faster (in theory)

[sturdy glade]

Nah probably 40s

[bitter jewel]

Wr and cd wr are 40s apart but I do think ismas route can be pushed further

[golden dove]

i can speedrun hk in 2 minutes with bench warp

he ha

no one can beat me

lol

cuz its def legit

no mod at all

[hidden sundial]

2 min is kinda improvable

[gray ember]

i would say you'll get more than 2 minutes, but it should be under with benchwarp+debug kill all

[modest crescent]

Does E-pogo work on current patch?

[drowsy sluice]

you can't pogo the projectile explosion anymore, but you can still pogo the projectile itself to get to mantis village quickly, granted it has different setups and is considered to be much harder now

[modest crescent]

I've seen some tutorials, but they all dash, then fireball, then dash again. My dash doesnt reset when I fireball

[mint mist]

it’s not the fireball that resets the dash

depending on the setup it could be that they pogo something or they dashed off the platform at the beginning

if you dash off a surface you still have your dash

[glad onyx]

Is there a server for hk speedruning ?

[static umbra]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[wooden grotto]

Who do yall think will be the first person to hold a WR in SS for over a month? Could it be some veteran of HK SR?

[steady lynx]

I think it'll be Vex

[plucky kite]

could be like nebula or vypurr but i think itll be someone else

[lofty flare]

It’ll be Gusten holding a glitched wr that nobody runs

[turbid patio]

🔥

[analog pawn]

maybe we will have less pretty much dead boards

I will try and probably fail to make that happen

[weary root]

I don't think categories have to be active to be valid

[sacred thunder]

#JusticeForAllBosses

[kind stone]

Hola

[dark grail]

Tips for Binds for speedrunning?

or maybe one of you that doesnt consider himself an absolute maniac willing to share theirs

[vagrant warren]

Whatever is comfy for you, runners use lots of different setups. Join the server in pins, there have been examples posted there

[keen anchor]

Do you have any tips to successflully make QGA?

The skip is giving me a lot of struggle

I almost never make it when I train

And it feels just lucky when I make it

[bitter jewel]

Jump a bit higher than supposed to then jump out and when you accidentally hit the right spot cdash

[bitter jewel]

When starting out deepest is always an option too

[bitter jewel]

Do you use a mouse?

[bitter jewel]

Don't put frequent stuff on the hand that needs to do wasd or arrows or whatever u use

[dark grail]

no

[bitter jewel]

Ok my binds wouldn't help then

[analog pawn]

true!

[turbid patio]

There is a metronome in hksr

Which helps with the timing

[keen anchor]

What is hksr?

[static umbra]

Hollow knight speedrunning server

[keen anchor]

Where can I find it?

[median wasp]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[plucky kite]

I dont have a screenshot but

wasd to move
m for nail
k for quick cast
l for dash
, for heal
shift for cdash
j for inventory

this way I can like have my hand kinda curved on m k and l and its really ergonomic for me

[turbid patio]

That is so weird But gg ergonomic

[plucky kite]

I couldn't find another way without having dash on my pinky or something

[turbid patio]

I use left shift for quick cast

[bitter jewel]

Poor pinky

[plucky kite]

u called mine weird how do u do nail cancels with fb and nail on separate hands

[nova marsh]

Skong in 5 hours

[turbid patio]

That speaks alot about u

[plucky kite]

I also speak

sometimes

[jovial fossil]

I only really speak alot online like in VC's

[wooden grotto]

SAME!!!

can I beat Hollow Knight before Silksong gets announced?

[full oasis]

So after I beat every boss on radiant I wanted a new challenge so now I want to speedrun p5 with the shell binding does anyone know witch charms I should use

[mint mist]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/runs/z08p5o4m

[full oasis]

Thanks

[dusty dagger]

#speedrunning ? There wont be ss and hk specifically?

I know hksr exists and this is just a relict but still

[gray ember]

also for modding, i hope when mods come out that #modding-discussion and #1057825333841240104 will be moved to the hollow knight part, and similar channels will get created for Silksong

[steady lynx]

It'd be pointless, the main purpose of this chat is directing people to the dedicated discord server, which will be used for both games

[mint mist]

gg!

sub 5 next

[weary root]

Remind me to mute this channel when the game comes out then

[lofty flare]

Literally disable messages here and just have a mod write

‘All speedrunning discussion has been moved to HKSR: link’ or smth

Wait no but this channel is so peak

Fuck

[stable osprey]

Idk why but I just am terrible at beating HK on my first try. I had a sub 40 speedrun and then spent 20 minutes trying to get past HK

[median wasp]

If you’re on lp thk is significantly harder, but with low equipment it’s a hard fight starting out regardless of patch

[proud stump]

.

[turbid patio]

thsi channel is pointless anyway, so just split them up to make it look nicer imo, general is so fat and silksong and hk cats are so short

also like seperating speedrunning questoins based on game is still kinda cool as sometimes its answered here

[mint mist]

is there a way to get my time down in individual splits without doing a full run or messing up my golds for earlier splits?

[weary root]

You can input times into your golds manually, if that's what you mean?

[mint mist]

i meant more like just practicing a single split and having it affect my sum of bests, but not having to ruin earlier splits by manually splitting immediately or smth

although i guess i can just hksplitmaker a single split and then edit my gold on the run i care about, is that what you’re saying?

[analog pawn]

yeah, just run that split only with a different timer

then edit the time you got into your other file

[mint mist]

that seems really obvious in retrospect
thank you both tho!

[keen anchor]

I changed the version of my game to 1221 and now LiveSplit refuses to go in front of the Hollow Knight page

Does someone know the issue?

[lament nymph]

Can anyone tell me a speedrun route without any frame perfect tricks? I’ve had the game for years and the last achievement I need is the speedrun 2 I think it’s called

[drowsy sluice]

None of the tricks are frame perfect and you don't really need a special route for speedrun 2

Just learn the blue lake shade skip

[analog pawn]

the optimal glitched routes also barely have any frame perfect tricks anymore

[steady lynx]

The most precise tricks are instant turnaround in loads, and even that is kinda easy

[gray ember]

and fog canyon acid skip too

[gray ember]

what is that?

[drowsy sluice]

probably squit pogo too but you don't really need to learn that one to do it

[weary root]

There's a guide for the 5 hour speedrun achievement in the top pinned post in this channel

[hidden sundial]

Honestly for 5 hours I'd say not even bother with skips. The fireborn tutorial without deaths or crazy optimization can be done in 1:30, so there's room for MASSIVE errors and it still is fine

If you do want to speedrun yeah, blue lake and fog canyon access are the two skips you need to pull off correctly to do the route

[arctic vessel]

Hi guys

I beat hk 4h 19m is that good for first speedrun any%

[thorn jasper]

you got speedrun 2 so sure. the more relevant questions are (1) are you happy with it and (2) do you plan to improve

[stable osprey]

Is there a consistent way to do QGA, or do you just kinda do it? I’ve spent hours trying to do it and never gotten past it

[formal bough]

Are you practicing with ismas?

[hybrid oxide]

portuguese

chinese

[versed lake]

Hey Hollow Knight-ers! I have been playing with my keyboard for hollow knight and have around 500 hours using the same keybinds

I am considering investing in a nice-ish controller in light of silksong, because it is recommended. Do you have any input as to what I should do?

If I ever want to do some speedruning (my best attempt is a 1:30) is a controller pretty much neccesary?

[timid cypress]

How is it hard ? I thought it means you get ismas tear ?

[formal bough]

to get ismas quickly you skip a bunch of stuff

and so you do difficult moves to get there

[bitter jewel]

in order to be faster while getting ismas you need to do a brutal skip going in to get ismas from the escape hatch. Then because you dont have cdash the speedrun gets that dash charm, wich means after claw the whole run is overcharmed...

oh getting wings without cdash also requires a really hard trick

[vagrant warren]

No. I'd say more top players run with keyboard or hit box than controller at this point, but any of them are fine with only very small differences at the highest level. It's completely personal preference and what you're comfortable with.

[bitter jewel]

Keyboard is better

But both are viable

[bitter jewel]

I don't know where you got this from but controller is putting you at a slight disadvantage (competitively) because less fingers have to do the same work.

In the end it comes down to preferenz tho

[versed lake]

Thanks for responding! I have about 5 guys in our friend group who all use controller and I am the only one on keyboard.

I consistently preform the same, if not better, but concerns for my keys (namely shift, which I use for cloak) led me to think about other options

[median wasp]

Yeah if you’re comfortable with keyboard stick with that. Technically keyboard is better, but the difference is so tiny it’s not really relevant.

So just stick with whatever you know best

[bitter jewel]

Exactly that

[bitter jewel]

Poor pinky

I tried it once on shift but my pinky was aching so I switched to space

[versed lake]

I use 4th finger for the most part if its not tight platforming, bc you have middle and pointer for slash and focus

but it was complaining during PoP for sure

[fair bolt]

Is beating Steel Silver under 7 Hours without trying good?

[thorn jasper]

why do you care if it's good if you weren't even trying

I'd like to see what you can do if you try

[bitter jewel]

"without trying" is not rlly measurable so can't tell

[fair bolt]

Like not doing it as fast as I could

[mint mist]

right but we don’t know how fast you could

bc you didn’t try

[lofty oriole]

[arctic cape]

any new glitches fo rthe sllksong demo?

i hope some one can achieve sub 5 min run

[weary root]

oh do I have to mute this channel already?

[bitter jewel]

Yeah arbitrary code execution glitch was found in the tutorial area that lets the credits roll. Gg!
-# fakenews

[analog pawn]

better safe than sorry ig

[bitter jewel]

I'd rather be sorry that I'm safe

[thorn jasper]

what does this mean

[bitter jewel]

technically it means that you feel you are doing something bad by being safe and are sorry for it, but it was meant as a joke...

[karmic aurora]

Is it possible to do inventory drop on current patch?

[median wasp]

Not really. If you open inventory on the same physics frame you leave the platform it works. But it’s not reliable enough to actually do most of the time.

[analog pawn]

I disagree

it's worth going for and can be done consistently or at least close to it

but yeah only of platforms with a frame perfect input

not possible at all midair

[mint mist]

it’s very doable

getting it consistent just requires a little practice, it’s a timing thing

frame perfect sounds scary, but it’s actually not very bad

[gray ember]

is it really frame perfect? i had the feeling that the time window was way better than for like dreamnail drop

[steady lynx]

It's the same timing window as for dnail drop, the only really awkward part is that the timing for dnail drop is one physics frame later so a lot of runners will struggle

[median wasp]

Oh. I was under the impression that in most situations it just wasn’t worth it. It’s good to hear that it can actually be consistent.

[steady lynx]

You save a whole 2 seconds in any% 1432+ NMG with inventory drops optimally compared to not doing them

That might be generous

I'd have to ask Nebula how much it saves in 112, maybe like, 4 seconds

[mint mist]

even more worth in shorter cats!

[mint mist]

i was wondering why those were so difficult for me

might be why

[steady lynx]

I think the input for dnail drop might be one physics frame later than the one for inventory drop, so if you're really used to inventory drops you can just stand on a ledge pressing dnail over and over

[mint mist]

yeah that’s me

[bitter jewel]

guys whats dnail drop?

[steady lynx]

It's like a cdash drop but less cool

[vagrant warren]

Kind of like inventory drop, but with dnail

[gray ember]

when was it patched btw?

[steady lynx]

Gut feeling says 1011

Feels like a very 1011 change

[thorn jasper]

https://youtu.be/SjDAaRgppict=3755

wait why is that timestamp so early

[bitter jewel]

was about to say💔

[steady lynx]

Shouldn't there be an &

[thorn jasper]

shit

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/SjDAaRgppic&t=3755

[bitter jewel]

was about to say

[steady lynx]

Shit, I just skipped a great oportunity to link Fallen Kingdom

[thorn jasper]

thank

[bitter jewel]

trhank you both

[mint mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1207117901233135747/1397681845067321517/dreamnaildrop.gif

[gray ember]

first video i heard of inventory drop i though you dropped like your geo on the ground to not lose it upon death so that you would save time, but, sadly, i didn't know how to do it

[golden dove]

how do i do the bug of the 5 minute speedrun

the one that is all bugged

and uses godseeker and normal mode at the same time

[golden dove]

and how do i do the teacher's archives crystal heart skip

[exotic wigeon]

this is outdated smh

teaching new runners the old route

[steady lynx]

Now the optimal strat starts with doing GMMS from main menu, going to Mato's hut, not needing Sharp Shadow, quitting out, doing matoclip, then going to well

[exotic wigeon]

wait do you not need sharp shadow?

[steady lynx]

matoclip works sometimes, for some people, at high tide, without sharp shadow

[vagrant warren]

I just searched what I could remember from the pasta LMAO and sent the first one that came up. I don't know shit about glitches

[exotic wigeon]

i mean its also quite a new route

wr doesnt have it yet

[steady lynx]

That's mainly due to Staxis being really good and nobody really stepping up to really grind the category

[gray ember]

old route is funnier, you do the cool greatslash early control, don't have to do the first part of the run 5 times to get it right because there's no jank shriek, and the dash to dirtmouth well is not needed

[steady lynx]

Despite being less than 5 minutes it's a really difficult cateogry to optimize

[cedar plaza]

I want to learn qga, do I need to stop cdash before hitting the platform?

[mint mist]

you don’t have to, but i find it easier personally

i know people who slam into it, and i know people who cancel early and dash

[left delta]

i think i discovered a speedrun trick

[drowsy sluice]

Holding a and d to slide down the wall faster?

[mint mist]

this could just be wcs of some sort

idk tho

seems possible that it could be a way to jank wiggle wcs with keyboard but also i don’t know what im talking about so idk

[clever hawk]

just got a new personal record

6:32:53

[mint mist]

gg

sub 5 next

[lofty flare]

Yes it’s part of how wall cling momentum works

Wall is like 16.8 or smth, LR is like 19.8 or 19.9, and Kwats is like 20.01

(Those are dash speeds tho, but applies vertically aswell)

[analog pawn]

it works on any wall and is used in some places

[keen anchor]

Help I was on the 1221 version and Radiance just stopped

I tried to kill her but she seems invincible

[analog pawn]

yeah that's a softlock that can happen

it's very annoying

but not that common

[steady lynx]

It's more common if you're on good pace, like Uumuu extras and cdash glitch

[clever hawk]

I got a new personal record! 3hours and 3 minutes

[drowsy sluice]

can you reliably read and multihit watcher backrolls?

[open drift]

is there any early game skip for steel soul

that doesnt involve glitches

[drowsy sluice]

shade skip

[open drift]

steel soul.

[drowsy sluice]

yeah

what's wrong?

watch the video

[open drift]

😭

[drowsy sluice]

jokes aside i don't think there's one as impactful as blue lake skip

[open drift]

oww

[drowsy sluice]

just small ones like squit/fireball skip

[open drift]

atleast i have qga

[drowsy sluice]

are you doing a real speedrun or just the achievement

qga isn't worth it for the achievement

[sturdy glade]

do SS first atp

[gaunt shell]

where can I find various hk speedrun routes

is there like a place where u can see all of them or is everyone born knowing the routes

[sturdy glade]

hksm and the server

[sand zealot]

p5ab speedrun need to be done in godseeker?

[sand zealot]

or classic/steel soul is allowed?

[open drift]

i'm just doing 100% steel soul some people said i could ask for some skips here that can work for steel soul

sry for the late reply

just saw it

[bitter jewel]

do it with a wcs
-# no idea how tho

[clever hawk]

Can anyone help me?

I'm trying to get sub 2hours

[vagrant warren]

If you have a question, ask. Otherwise people will probably just say get or make a route & practice

[split tangle]

any ideas to get speedrun under 5h?or can anyone give me a save under 5h

[mint mist]

there’s a guide in pins

[novel meadow]

Quick Question, has anyone seen a Clip involing the L1 map that allows one to fall through the floor during a left-right room transition?

[mint mist]

yep

[novel meadow]

Okay, very interesting, I'd never seen it before in a speedrun and It just happened to me in a randomizer. Skipping a fireball skip that I remember in the past and an acid skip. Just wanted to make sure it was known.

[mint mist]

yeah, randomizer enables qol which lets you do stuff like that without a setup

[novel meadow]

Ah i see, but it's also ppossible in the base game? just a bit more difficult.

[mint mist]

yes, idk if it’s different in earlier patches, but in current patch you have to get bench storage before you can do it

[novel meadow]

i'm guessing that If you have the randomizer currently active and start a new non-randomizzer save it will have the same QoL and let you do it?

[bitter jewel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602 if you still need it

[bitter jewel]

sure

[mint mist]

seems likely

rando installs qol as a dependency, but qol is active even if you run in classic

[novel meadow]

Okay good to know, cause while I did have the randomizer installed, I used a non-randomzized file and did it as soon as i got that map. Darn. Thought i found something cool. Thanks @mint mist

[split tangle]

thank youuuu

[mint sage]

https://youtu.be/pXq31jg2Tk8

[cosmic perch]

Nicely done

[jovial ice]

hola alguin sabe cuales son las condiciones para pasarlo al 100% en alma de acero

no se que tengo que consguir para l 100%

[tight schooner]

El server es inglés habla en inglés.

[jovial ice]

ok

[tight schooner]

👍

[jovial ice]

Hi, does anyone know what the conditions are to get it to 100% in steel core?
I don't know what I need to get for 100%?

I passed it at 75% and I don't know what exactly is necessary for 100%

[static umbra]

u should just consult the completion list on the hk wiki

tho im not entirely sure what this has to do with speedrunning. im assuming u r doing speed completion and steel heart at the same time which is why u r asking in speedrunning

[jovial ice]

and I have 9:12 hours and I want it before 20 for the achievement of "quick completion" and "heart of steel"

[jovial ice]

yes

[static umbra]

i mean if u have 75% at <10 hrs then u r completely fine

like realistically u just need to think about what 12% u dont want to get

[mint sage]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Completion_(Hollow_Knight)

[left delta]

yes

[drowsy sluice]

is the spore shroom bug considered a major glitch

the thk kill

[thorn jasper]

no

[maiden sandal]

Is there a good resource for learning an any% route?

Nvm saw pins

[jade flint]

is 2H a good speedrun ?

[static umbra]

if u r happy with it then it is

also depends on what category u were running

[maiden wren]

i went to go look up tips on how to do acid skip but it looks like its no longer used in any% nmg. is there a reason for that?

current patch

[static umbra]

the ismas route is faster than cdash route for latest patch

[maiden wren]

well thanks, ill look at the tricks involved

[analog pawn]

I recommend starting with cdash route still

ismas is quite punishing

[crystal axle]

Hey i am new to Speedrunning in hollow knight and im confusing which Version ist easier to learn. 1.2.2.1 or 1.4.3.2. i tried to learn the Explosion Double Pogo Yesterday and after 30minutes i found Out i cant do it in my Version and i need the Fireball strat. now i dont know which is better and easier to learn😅. i Just want NMG any% Runs at First.

I also cant find whats the difference glitches maybe someone can help me there? Then i might can decide for my own ^^

[static umbra]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CO5OmCc2T0UE4L63nUIroBmRdpH-vTBiP_xMGOjpEA/edit?usp=sharing

[exotic wigeon]

the doc is very useful ^

but in general 1221 is a bit easier, with stuff like lever skip meaning you dont have to fight the big husk, and wacthers not having backrolls, and thk being significantly slower. however, it also performs worse and has more input lag, so if you get low fps it might not be worth it

[crystal axle]

Thanks you both 🙂 now i feel dumb i havnt found it 😅

[analog pawn]

I would say watcher knights on 1221 is still harder than 1.5. Most other things are indeed easier though

[sacred thunder]

in my experience thk on lp is a really big threat, I would argue harder than watcher knights (but maybe I have more watcher experience than thk experience)

[keen anchor]

Radiance isn’t suppose to have 350 hp on phase 1?

That makes 8,75 shade souls with shaman stone but I needed 11 to make it, math isn’t mathing

It makes more than 450 hp

[static umbra]

phase 1 refers to the part with no spikes on the floor. phase 2 is still grounded but with spiked floor

[keen anchor]

Ohhh okay

But the total is up to 750

[static umbra]

yes

[keen anchor]

11 fireballs deals 440

And I made it

That’s kind of weird I need to count my slashes

[static umbra]

u have to account for nail swings as well

[keen anchor]

Thank you tho

[bitter jewel]

Ismas route is only 40sec faster and at the very least 5x harder so it is only RLLY worth when going for times below 35min.

The problem is not only that there are brutal skips but also that the whole run is overcharmed...

[turbid patio]

Are you getting any doubles

[keen anchor]

Yup

I count 2 everytime

Unless I hit just once of course

[vital horizon]

I am thinking about getting into Any% NMG

[robust axle]

Cool

[vital horizon]

Thank you

I dont know what i was getting at here i apologize

but ya no i was replaying the game following the nmg route and i was like "wait this is so fun" and i got to wk and died but it awoke something in me. i loved it i want to aim for 45 minute time or less

[hidden sundial]

Sounds like a good balance between endless grinding and proper challenge

[vital horizon]

i think 45 minute is achievable without making me reach a point of not having fun

[maiden wren]

Im looking for sub 2 hours lol

[hidden sundial]

Completely agreed

[stable osprey]

Sorry I just had to say... I HATE WATCHER KNIGHTS. I love how 90 percent of my speed runs end on watcher knights

[maiden wren]

i love watcher knights, just not at 5hp lol

[mystic raptor]

Is the 5 hour speedrun guid valid for any%? I've seen some different routing in recent vids plus some skips that are not on the guide. Is there another video or guide that explains the speedrun tech or skips?

[thorn jasper]

It's valid in the sense that you can record and submit a run on that route. Join the pinned server for more resources about optimal routes

[keen anchor]

They’re one of the reasons why I started speedrunning true ending and not Any% anymore

It’s so fun to just destroy them with shade soul

They seem so fragile

[steady lynx]

Based shade soul route TE

[crystal axle]

i practice the speedrun any% nmg in 1221 now to the point i have to fight the watcher knights. omfg they are so stupid

[boreal umbra]

can someone link to me the any% nmg route?

[hidden sundial]

It's valid but there are faster routes. It's meant to be a relatively easy-going route that allows to complete the achievement without having to deal with bosses extremely under-geared

[vagrant warren]

Join the server in pins for the most up to date resources. The most optimal route is not very beginner friendly but there are other optikns

[wary belfry]

My lowest moment
I threw in the White Palace pretty hard

[static umbra]

U can completely skip white palace if u just going for 100%

[wary belfry]

I know but I thought I had that shit on lock

And I didn't

[blazing idol]

hello speedrunners

hve you heard of grass

[barren fossil]

That thing in Greenpath?

[placid patrol]

You are my people

[mint mist]

grass% mentioned

horrible run

wouldn’t recommend

[placid patrol]

Speedrunning is so fun

[blazing idol]

good so uve seen it too

[south cobalt]

.

[bitter jewel]

the guide for 5hrs is obviously for speedrun beginners. the focus of the route is to be easy and still fast. Yes there are tons of faster routs but they are all way harder.

[bitter jewel]

you can dreamnail them before the fight and heal up

[bitter jewel]

ok lol i would recommend this route then. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602 but add squid skip in greenpath. My best with this route is ~1:40hr pushing it further is def possible but after sub 2 its worth to switch to a faster route.

[drowsy sluice]

anyone have advice for long darknest?

dash claw

[minor patio]

woah, I'm goated!!!

alr, never gonna speedrun this game ever again (she said as she's preparing for steel soul 100%)

[turbid patio]

Try to make your own route dont steal others, use consistent movement, like many moving with dashes instead of walking, kill enemies if your not needing to go super fast, count in the places with long corridors

[empty blaze]

Woah whats that mod for the location times

[hidden sundial]

FStats

[astral hamlet]

i died 17 times because of hollow knight (my death count is 17)

[empty blaze]

Thx

[bitter jewel]

sub 3 tho

[olive otter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QnLG-JEzzU wthelly

[gray ember]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1X6uoz9Ebv/?spm_id_from=888.80997.embed_other.whitelist&t=3.282758&bvid=BV1X6uoz9Ebv

this is a little faster

[amber crypt]

Hell Yeah
now for the 112% in Steel Soul

[amber crypt]

Done
Im ready for Silksong

[leaden pivot]

nice

hey, so i wanted to try speerunning any% but the optimal route seems very difficult and i dont really know how to do most of the skips (i know them in theory but havent actually executed them) ive got all achievments and pop if that helps with skill level but i was wondering if anyone knew of a good guide for an easier version of the any% route that i could practice?

[static umbra]

by optimal route r u referring to cdash route in 1221 or the ismas route in latest patch? im assuming u would want to do cdash route since it is easier to adopt alternative strategies to the skips they have

[leaden pivot]

yes the c-dash route

theres no way im doing the skips for ismas route

[static umbra]

yea i thought so, makes sense. just wanted to make sure since idk what speedrun u watched

in terms of the optimal route

[leaden pivot]

thanks for confirming

[static umbra]

anyways i dont really know of a written guide for alternate skips but heres what i do:
i still do blue lake shade skip, background object pogo to watchers, and fog canyon acid skip. they arent too bad with a bit of practice, its not hard to get them at a fairly consistent level.
for the fireball skips in greenpath, u can do a squit pogo instead of one of the fireball skips. then i just go through the rest normally, without fireball skips.
u can skip out on epogo if u cant get it consistent (especially since its pretty hard on latest patch, if u r doing that)
instead of qga u can enter deepnest through the collapsing floor in fungal

[leaden pivot]

ok thanks

also which patch should i use

the fastest or the latest?

[static umbra]

1221 is faster but has more performance issues such as input lag or input drop, if ur pc starts lagging on 1221 i would not suggest it
but i mean if u want to be able to do more skips then 1221 is good for u since theres stuff like midair inventory drop or easier version of epogo
here is some other comparisons to help u decide https://docs.google.com/document/d/12CO5OmCc2T0UE4L63nUIroBmRdpH-vTBiP_xMGOjpEA/edit?usp=sharing

[sturdy swift]

Someone suggested I ask about this here.

I watched a ton of lets plays of HK at 2x playback speed, and now going back to my game its been hell getting my brain to trust that my game isnt running some amount slower than it should be.

Is there something I could do to test that? I just need to prove to my brain that its all my imagination.

[formal bough]

Even with different fps the game still runs at the same speed, so unless you have the debug mod and fat-fingered the slowdown button [or some other mod to do speedup/slowdown]

it isn't possible that the vanilla game would accidentally run at the wrong speed

[sturdy swift]

Makes sense, but wow is it hard to shake the feeling

[sacred sparrow]

i need the invite for the hollow knight speedrun community, can someone send me it

[mint mist]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[sacred sparrow]

oh thx

[fiery knot]

hey all, how do I start speedrunning hollow knight?

I wanna get the speedrun achievements on my copy of the game

[static umbra]

u just need to find a good route and then execute on said route

the pins has a good 5 hr speedrun route

[olive otter]

Sheesh

[drowsy sluice]

Really late response but something you could also consider is like 1432

If you can't run 1221, any% thk is really hard, but on 1432 you can cheese it by picking up spore shroom while heading to deepnest from fungal (I think thk just has 4 hitboxes which all get hit by spore shroom at once)

Obviously not optimal if you're particularly serious about speedrunning but it's worked well for me on the way on a sub 50

[leaden pivot]

Thank you, I might try this seeing as I'm definitely not trying to be optimal, just get a reasonable time

[knotty vigil]

Im not trying to speedrun but I need some help with absrad. I want to try facedancing (I think that’s what it’s called) but I’m on controller, is it possible?

[static umbra]

yea it is possible, doesnt really matter what input device u use. the principle stays the same. first of all u need quick slash and i would suggest steady body as well. the most simple method for facedancing is to repeatedly switch between pogo and side slash. then a bit more complicated is to do a kind of circular motion. basically its pogo, right slash (for example, u can also start with left slash), left slash, then repeat the process. imo this gives a bit more freedom on ur movement while facedancing so i would suggest trying to learn this one as u become more familiar with the timings. theres also more complicated facedancing involving nail turnarounds but im not good enough at facedancing myself to comment much on that

[knotty vigil]

Would it be possible to do the basic version without steady body?

I’m trying to do p5 and want to be efficient with damage

[static umbra]

face dancing is just awkward to do without steady body. if u do not want to use steady body i would just suggest pogo and upslash instead. the knockback from side slashes is just too awkward to deal with to effectively face dance imo

[knotty vigil]

So pogo down then up?

[static umbra]

yea u essentially alternate pogo then upswing

[knotty vigil]

What’s alternate pogo?

[static umbra]

i meant alternating between pogo and upswing.

like every swing u switch between the two

so that u can maintain on her face

u can also check out this doc which has a section on facedancing https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gD8MtYXHHiPR1OEPY9r0QfsQsKEyIdiTIw3YjA4o8qM/edit?tab=t.0

i couldnt really find a dedicated vid on just the pogo upswing method but this is the best i could find https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAVRgeVBW5Q&t=9s

[autumn gull]

Does anyone know if the lake of acid skip for queens gardens is still doable?

[thorn jasper]

yes it is. make sure you don't have tear while practicing lest you get sucked in

[autumn gull]

Yeah, that’s one of the skips that I still can’t do that well

Shade skips aren’t too bad(albeit it’s been a while since I’ve speedran the game) but the acid skip is annoying for me

[thorn jasper]

going through Deepnest via Fungal instead doesn't lose a ton of time

[ancient mica]

I've seen some speedruns and saw that people just spam spells most of the time but I heard they mainly use a nail build with shaman, is that true?
What is the charm build most Speedrunners use? 🤔

[hidden sundial]

Depends on category

If doing Any% your charm build is just Shaman Stone

[ancient mica]

Ah sorry I meant P5/late game runs where you have every charm

[hidden sundial]

For Pantheon runs I believe most strats go around Flukenest as the main damage source

[pastel bramble]

hey i got a question about livesplit. how do speedrunners do this thing that the time stops when they go throu a door or just a screen transition/

[hidden sundial]

You need to use GameTime and set up an Autosplitter

[vagrant warren]

Keep in mind that's only for pc runs, consoles don't have an autosplitter. And you can get pre made splits from the site in pins

[pastel bramble]

im doing pc so im good

[pastel bramble]

thanks dude ❤️

[near crescent]

Does anyone know how to solve the problem with version 1.2.2.1 because when I start a save, the buttons I assigned to the mouse don't work until I enter the button menu and exit, but the problem returns when I try to save and exit because when I come back, the problem is still there. I wanted to know if there is any program to activate keyboard keys when I click on mouse buttons.

[formal bough]

yep there's a program for that

[near crescent]

what porgram?

*program

[formal bough]

join the speedrunning server [invite in the pins] for the links

[near crescent]

i dont have acess for both channels

ok

ty

[harsh jacinth]

Is it possible to speedrun on controller or is it better to switch to keyboard and mouse

[vagrant warren]

either is fine, it's personal preference

[shy walrus]

how to gardn acid skip?

i cant land it anymore

[vagrant warren]

Be sure you don't have ismas while you pracitce. Then practice a lot. There's a metronome in the pinned speedrun server that may be helpful

[shy walrus]

i slip and fall in the acid like i can slide against the wall but cant manage to cdash

[vagrant warren]

sounds like your timming is off, there's not really any secret to it, it's just a very tight window. Be aware you can't cling if you try while you're too high

[shy walrus]

" Be aware you can't cling if you try while you're too high" wym

[hidden sundial]

It means you have to be closer to acid when you grab the wall

[shy walrus]

ohh ok

[hidden sundial]

It's a very tight timing, you can use Debug hitboxes to visualize more clearly

[shy walrus]

im never getting my 45 min speedrun back

im at 50 ish rn

[hidden sundial]

You can get 45 without bothering with QGA at all

[shy walrus]

i know but i wanna enter deepnest from there cause thats the path ive memorized

[vagrant warren]

It would almost certainly take less time to learn the other route than to get consistent at QGA

[drowsy sluice]

is grabbing spore shroom on lp a timesave with deepnest route?

[hidden sundial]

Only on 1.4.3.2

Which fits into LP category, even if the objectively best route does the cursed Isma route lmao

[bitter jewel]

just call it fastest route instead of best

[hidden sundial]

Accurate

[desert vale]

new to speedrunning, wondering if I need to uninstall lumafly for my runs to be legal? or if just having everything disabled is enough? ty in advance

[acoustic steeple]

i dont know if this counts but

I finished 112% in 23 hrs.