speedrunning

[formal bough]

it's a website you can access yourself

[umbral sand]

Reals last messenger buddy

[formal bough]

it's a website

you can access it on whatever you're accessing discord on

you don't need livesplit to access hksplitmaker

there also doesn't exist a video tutorial for latest patch all skills, which is what you would want

[umbral sand]

It's not on the web site I looked earlier

[formal bough]

so colette pointed you to where you could find a text guide

[formal verge]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLe3Nyw-0gXJpBqG9qLRx195qLFI3FD3_N&si=Sw5cVXxD7FTUzd7x

[formal bough]

yeah ^ that's 1221

[umbral sand]

Thanks man

[formal bough]

which, if you're on console, you can't run. to be fair, it would still be helpful

but it will include advice that is inaccurate, because it's for a different game version

additionally, this link is a command in the pinned server which was colette's other suggestion

[formal verge]

That was the only one I found that wasn't just a location showcase

[umbral sand]

Tf u mean by pinned sever

[vagrant warren]

1221 All Skills has got lever skips which isn't going to help a console runner

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[formal bough]

oh right lever skips are pretty big route wise

yeah so it's gonna be a decent bit wrong

[umbral sand]

I'm on phone that just doesn't exist

[formal bough]

you can access pins on phone

[vagrant warren]

Yes it does, it just looks slightly different

Click the channel name, then click pins

[umbral sand]

Ah ok

Just clicked on it said the same as b4 so not helpful

[vagrant warren]

... it links both the things I mentioned, so how is that not helpful?

[formal bough]

TLDR:

• There is not a video tutorial for the category you want.
• there is a video tutorial for the 1221 version, which could be easily found on the other server
• there is a text guide [the route] for the verison you want, which could be easily found on hksplitmaker
  what more do you want

[hidden sundial]

Also while not tutorials - any leaderboard run on any category can be used as a way to learn the basics of a route

(And which routes you really want to avoid if they do too much crazy stuff)

[sturdy glade]

we deadass banned the guy in the sr server so me personally I'm not helping

[median forum]

Bro i just looked at a pantheon speedrun and holy they fast

[vagrant warren]

Well that explains why the pin was unhelpful

[kindred sundial]

Sub 10!!

[median forum]

congrats man!!!

[exotic wigeon]

he entered the server and started asking for the same things

then proceeded to get really annoying and toxic very quickly

and now hes gone

[formal verge]

Is wallclingstorage a major glitch?

[steady lynx]

So basically, sometimes

If you're on 1.3 or higher it always is if you jump out of it, on 1221 and lower it's only major if you use it to get somewhere you'd not be able to get without it in the same room state

[formal verge]

So if I'm on 1.3 and higher if I don't jump it's not a major glitch even if I can't get there normally?

[steady lynx]

If you use it for any advantage at all on 1.3+ it's major

[sturdy glade]

It's alwaysakor on 1.3

Damn spelling mistake and snail might have to end it

[steady lynx]

If you spell it wrong enough people won't be able to tell that it should be snail

[formal verge]

Okay so no wallcling storage through monomon

[sturdy glade]

also it's legal on 1.3+ if you get a wr

[sturdy glade]

Can't do it 1.3+ anyways

[steady lynx]

WCS is pretty useless on 1.3+, doesn't conserve speed like it does on good patches

[formal verge]

I thought about using wings and WCS instead of cdash

[sturdy glade]

or you could dupe a godseeker file if you're on lp

Also funny side thing some dude actually did a run with shrogo instead of ismas or cdash

[formal verge]

On any% nmg?

[sturdy glade]

Yes

well technically no

Cause it was lp I believe

[formal verge]

But isn't going for kings brand way slower than cdash?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, I don't think being optimal was the point

[sturdy glade]

Also all optimal 1221 runs wcs to monomon

[formal verge]

Yeah but I think they all have means to go without WCS (cdash)

[exotic wigeon]

yeah they do

[vagrant warren]

(Because they have to for it to be legal)

[rugged breach]

i need some help, im on kbm and im learining to speed run but whenever i quit and join the save i cant attack/quick cast since the buttons are cast to my mouse, any tips?

[vagrant warren]

join the pinned speedrun server & use the command ;mouse in like the help or tech support channel

[rugged breach]

where is it pinned?

[heavy topaz]

best solution probably putting them on your keyboard

I had the same problem

[sturdy glade]

In this channel

[rugged breach]

could i get some help in setting up my live split, i want it to show +/- second compared to my best split time,

[turbid patio]

so uhm go to layout settings

go t o splits

[rugged breach]

alr

[rugged breach]

then what

[turbid patio]

and then like u want it too look like this

scrool down to the coloum that you want to show +/-

[rugged breach]

i think it works

so its gonna show the +/- time for my PB of that split right?

[turbid patio]

if thast what u set ur current comparisoin to

or u can change that field to best segement

[rugged breach]

alr thanks, it works

[turbid patio]

best segment = pb of that split
personal best = time of that split in ur pb of the whole run

idk if ^ that makes sense but 🤷‍♂️

[rugged breach]

it does

i dont see the best segment option

only avarage segment

doesnt matttter, thank you

[turbid patio]

weord

[proper fox]

Chat someone wanna watch me Speedrun hollow knight in like 45 mins

W/ glitches

But on xbox

[silver canyon]

I've seen pogos on shrieks from gameplay, how do these work exactly? do you buffer a downslash after the shriek?

and speaking of, what's the buffer window in HK?

[steady lynx]

Basically how they work is that the Shriek hitbox lingers a bit after you get control and during that time the player can just barely wings jump and input a pogo which lets them pogo the shriek hitbox, which is pogoable for some reason, and then they can repeat to keep gaining height

The window to do so is extremely tight which is why you may see runners messing it up sometimes

[silver canyon]

okay checks out thank you

I'm curious about the input timings as well

[steady lynx]

Depends on the input, a lot of inputs just aren't bufferable at all

[silver canyon]

gotcha

[sturdy glade]

yeah it's messed up

[silver canyon]

since you have to wing jump I guess that's not very relevant here 😔

[steady lynx]

I'd have to ask someone who actually does shriek pogos in runs how tight it actually is, I'm completely unfamiliar with it

[sturdy glade]

It's a 4 frame I believe

[formal bough]

it would be lovely if hk had the same buffering system as celeste

[silver canyon]

it really would now, wouldn't it?

[silver canyon]

4f of lingering hitbox or like 4f to downslash if you hit a buffered wing jump?

[sturdy glade]

Like you have 3f of possibe lateness

[silver canyon]

ah overall?

late hours chasing us in video games too 😔

except it's frames

[sturdy glade]

Between the wings and pogo yeah

Btw I'm only mostly sure that's right I don't do shrogos either

[silver canyon]

that's still super helpful

thank you

[steady lynx]

I feel like the 112 labbing addicts would know it better than us, but Idk if they're active here

@warm dawn are you active here? Also there's like 30 people in this server named Nebula, it took forever to find you

[sturdy glade]

It's fs a 4f but I can't act like I'm sure what that means

Also isn't shrogo all patches? Is it just Hazel is too good for anyone to catch up even with it

[silver canyon]

I don't know no shit but usually X frames window denotes there's X frames you can press button and win

[warm dawn]

er sorry whats the question

[sturdy glade]

shrogo input window

[silver canyon]

also we have lernaea as mutual friend that's kinda cool

[warm dawn]

i have no idea 💀

[sturdy glade]

this motherfucker

[silver canyon]

lmao

sorry for the disturbance 😭

[warm dawn]

i think it technically gets like 1-2 frames more lenienet with mark of pride and longnail

hope this helps

[sturdy glade]

dude has 112 record 😭

[warm dawn]

why would i know i just press the buttons

[sturdy glade]

Yeah it's more lenient with those

[formal bough]

I found somebody in 2023 confidently stating shrogo is a 4f window to wings and 6f window to pogo

[silver canyon]

how many frames does your brain give it

[warm dawn]

4 frames sounds right by vibes

[steady lynx]

I feel like I should have asked CC instead, but he seems busy

[sturdy glade]

he doesn't think

[silver canyon]

I trust the vibe check

[sturdy glade]

Cc is locked in on something else rn

[warm dawn]

its easy and consistent enough to be better than a 2 frame but i still miss it sometimes so its probably not something like 6

-vibes

[silver canyon]

maybe the wing jump buffer is just awkward or something

[steady lynx]

These "frames" btw, are physics frames, and the game always runs at 50 physics frames a second, sometimes, probably

[warm dawn]

i dont think it's a buffer is the main problem

[silver canyon]

that sounds about right

[warm dawn]

if it was bufferable itd be free

i think

[steady lynx]

It would probably be, never know with this game

[warm dawn]

the cue someone told me to use once is to do the wings as the black parts of the shriek start to fade

or maybe it was when its gone

wr holder btw

try both

[steady lynx]

I miss Scotty

[sturdy glade]

Scotty does NOT know how shrogos work

[warm dawn]

lmfao

[sturdy glade]

I don't think he knows how walking works dude

[weary root]

Oh cc is busy

I see

[warm dawn]

i think its just as the black starts to fade, and pretty much do the wings and nail at the same time. if your wings doesnt come out you jumped too early, if you dont get the wings refresh (and also go up a little too high) its too late

[sturdy glade]

you see see?

[steady lynx]

Does anyone who runs 112 know how shrogo works?

Probably Yihou, but like

[warm dawn]

i doubt it

[sturdy glade]

I think like

Just pop runners know

[warm dawn]

frame data isnt that important for tricks. like idk how tight qga is lol

[steady lynx]

QGA is probably physics frame perfect, just go with vibes though

[warm dawn]

it just makes you feel better about missing it

[steady lynx]

"Go with vibes" is somehow the best and worst advice for running this game

[formal bough]

(also frame window is way easier to talk about in celeste where tassing is an easy activity where you can trivially see how big the frame windows are + the frames are consistent)

[warm dawn]

no shot its frame perefct though

[formal bough]

like you've got things like tft in hk

who knows what frames really are in hollow knight

[silver canyon]

I'm aware we're in heaven over there in Celeste 😔

[steady lynx]

Optimizing my HK TAS by changing framerate every second to optimise interpolation and TFT

[warm dawn]

i love teamfight tactics

[silver canyon]

what's that

[sturdy glade]

you don't wanna know

[warm dawn]

time - fixed time

i think.

[silver canyon]

wat

[sturdy glade]

yeah it's that

[steady lynx]

It's the source of a lot of pain

[formal bough]

T-FT is time minus fixed time, it is the desync between when physics is calculated and when frames get rendered. It affects everything, among which is nonsense including, but not limited to, position interpolation - which can give you "rng" softfall.

[silver canyon]

that's an awkward acronym

[warm dawn]

its a very literal acronym

[silver canyon]

makes sense

[warm dawn]

its basically a way of saying "when your frames come out is rng"

[silver canyon]

I thought it's the false theknight or something

[warm dawn]

(thats probably a horrible description dont take that to heart)

(but thats what it feels like)

[formal bough]

nah we only have that problem if somebody uses ss as an acronym

[silver canyon]

@formal bough tft chromodynamics 😔

[steady lynx]

It's the source of an ancient community joke that went something like "Jump height is RNG"

[sturdy glade]

it's frame* desync** bullshit

[steady lynx]

Which, it technically is, but extremely minimally

Anyone ever skipped pogoing that one Vengefly in Mound btw?

[warm dawn]

like for example, if you acid skip into the isma's room, you have an rng chance to just walk off the ledge without pressing anything. that rng depends on your t-ft value

it's also why my room is never the right temperature, always too hot or too cold. i blame t-ft

[silver canyon]

uh-huh

cursed 😔

[warm dawn]

anyways uh gl with shrogo lol

[silver canyon]

ty but I'm only going to play around with it a bit

I think there's a substantial application in white palace that's what I remember seeing

and was curious about

I don't even know if I'm running hk tbh

sounds like a kinda big time investment

[steady lynx]

Nebula, don't show him your playtime

[silver canyon]

I have a couple thousand hours of my own in Celeste -- but college is squeezing me dry out of time...

it's difficult to justify video games now 😭

well speedrunning at least

[vagrant warren]

There's a skin designed fir practicing shrigo that flashes red or something during the frame window. But I unfortunately don't have a link, amazingly

[silver canyon]

HK's code has a surprisingly complex input system damn

they have a whole namespace with like 40 types just for input handling

[silver canyon]

oo that sounds cool!

I've seen skins in general on videos they look pretty cool

[steady lynx]

Team Cherry weren't super experienced with making games so a lot of the very early code, like input handling kinda devolved into spaghetti as they added features

[silver canyon]

mhm

[sturdy glade]

understatement of the century

[steady lynx]

They got better with it with time, if you compare the FSMs for bosses like THK and FK with ones added in later updates like Grimm and Hive Knight it's basically night and day

[silver canyon]

FSMs?

[steady lynx]

Finite State Machines, basically a tool for Unity to make programming easier

[sturdy glade]

reminder that tc forgot to check if you had proper control to open the quickmap and also forgot to check if you even had the damn map

[steady lynx]

That was only for two patches

[sturdy glade]

ok but like vro

[silver canyon]

Hornet, the Knight and Zote share the same HeroController

[sturdy glade]

they also just knocked over a coffee mug or smth and turned off the interaction box for all levers

[silver canyon]

proof that Zote is Pale King offspring 😔

[steady lynx]

Proof of the upcoming Zote sidegame

[sturdy glade]

And also they knocked over their entire PC and one patch let you just activate dreams with your normal nail

[steady lynx]

You may think it'd be a metroidvania, but that'd be wrong, it's actually a cooking game like Cooking Mama

[silver canyon]

I give up there's too much code and I should sleep 😔

[sturdy glade]

Which is the second

[steady lynx]

1014 kinda has it, it's weird

[sturdy glade]

is it strange I pronounce (in my head) one oh two eight and ten fourteen

[steady lynx]

Okay, that was wrong, the second patch that has 1028 quickmap, is a beta

And the beta is also 1028

There's just two releases named 1028, one is a beta, one is a full release

[sturdy glade]

Oh

[steady lynx]

The funny in 1014 is that it's the last patch before they removed cdash drops, which still makes me mad

Could have just waited a bit longer and we could have had 1028 but with cdash drops, and then everyone would agree what the best patch is

[sturdy glade]

Does Gusten patch have cdash drops

[steady lynx]

You're gonna have to be more specific here, there's like 12 patches that people refer to as "Gusten patch"

[sturdy glade]

Didn't peeka make something with some combined parts for you

[steady lynx]

We never did that since we have no idea which features to keep

[sturdy glade]

like cause they're bad?

[steady lynx]

Here's the thing

I like room dupes a lot, but I hate LP room dupes, and it'd be annoying to port old patch room dupes to LP

[sturdy glade]

what's on lp you need

ghmms?

[steady lynx]

Absolutely not

I hate GMMS

Adding Godseeker mode was the worst mistake Team Cherry ever did

[sturdy glade]

idk they tried adding ng+ but we refuse to use it for some reason

But like what's on lp

[steady lynx]

Oh

[sturdy glade]

can't you just add some 1.0 stuff to 1114

[steady lynx]

It's honestly just corner airwalk, and spell early control from quitout

Wait, corner airwalk is 1.2

Yeah, that's basically LP

[sturdy glade]

God I love pushing LP back

[steady lynx]

I'm on the almost Krythom grindset, everything after the patch I like is LP

Just that the patch I like is 1114 instead of 1028

[sturdy glade]

what's the krythom grindset

Oh

idk 1114 is just dgate noclip and 1028 is qms

both very peak

[steady lynx]

1114 flukes are also just more balanced

[sturdy glade]

Dont they do an actually comical amount shamanless

[steady lynx]

Shamanless it's only 112 damage

[sturdy glade]

"only"

Do you remember the amount of geo you can get from kill duping ghusk

[steady lynx]

6720

[sturdy glade]

I was gonna ask about room dupe but it's an interact entrance

[steady lynx]

It's actually slower for hundo NMMS and hundo AG, but I refuse to remove it from the route, it's too funny

[sturdy glade]

Don't worry no one is gonna beat you by not doing it

[stable quarry]

Why is it slower?

[sturdy glade]

I think there's just better geo sources

[steady lynx]

Specifically in AG it's legit just faster to buy stuff without spending geo

[sturdy glade]

1114 AA when

[opal ridge]

Why don’t people shade skip on steel soul? Are they stupid?

[gray ember]

i do it all the time, you just need to die in a normal world, Main Menu Storage that file with a steelsoul file, and there you are, you can finally do itemless blue lake shadeskip!

[opal ridge]

Whats main menu storage? I just die in steel soul but for some reason my game is bugged and deletes my save. I bet other peoples isn’t so I wonder why they miss out on that

[gray ember]

Main Menu Storage allows you with a frame perfect click to get two menus on top of each other in the main menu, allowing you to load a file and another file on top of the other one. It is actually so op that there are two categories for gliched runs: All Gliches and No Main Menu Storage

for your issue with your savefile deleting when you die, you should probably verify the game's integrity with steam and see if you have some mods messing up with that. if it still doesn't work, you can probably make a backup ^^

[opal ridge]

Never downloaded any mods, not sure why It gets rid of my save when I die on steel soul, since I remember steel soul is the one where you leave your shade and classic is the permadeath

Cause obviously steel is strong so you wont permanently die

[vagrant warren]

Bait used to be believeable

[thorn jasper]

I see Colette is typing. Colette are you also brain damaged by this conversation

[vagrant warren]

No, my brain is already too damaged to be hurt by this

[gray ember]

actually, you also permanently die when in godseeker mode!

[opal ridge]

Wow! Still doesn’t tell me why I die in steel tho…
Got the game from a friend so I was just continuing his save, and when I looked up what steel soul meant it said you drop your shade upon death

K you know what even i’m getting bored of baiting im done with this

I expected you to like get mad or smthing but you just misunderstood what I was saying😭

[vagrant warren]

Dude, your bait is bad

[thorn jasper]

Got the game from a friend so I was just continuing his save
this little detail is beautiful, like the game is on an n64 cartridge or something

[gray ember]

Why getting mad? i understood what you were saying, knew it was technically possible, and answered!

[opal ridge]

Fair

[opal ridge]

Yeah honestly I got that from those goofy ahh sonic.exe stories and completely forgot it was a steam game😭😭

[gray ember]

or it can mean it is not a legitimate copy, that maybe got altered, making you die in steel soul mode for no reason...

[stable quarry]

Is this actually possible? I mean I would not be too suprised but how does the shade get transfered lol

[quaint violet]

wait u can save and quit after getting mothwing cloak right? or do i need to watch the dreamers cutscene

[sturdy glade]

you can and should SQ asap following the pickup

[quaint violet]

alr

hk speedrunning is so awesome

[simple canyon]

Can anyone tell me how to get good at speed running?

[static umbra]

Practice

[quaint violet]

and routing (which is also practice)

[severe dock]

Does anyone know what the shade skip that zVypurr used to skip getting fireball for and also has this skip been patched out in version 1.4.3.2 of hollow knight?

[formal bough]

itemless baldur is possible but very hard

[weary root]

Itemless baldur gets you into greenpath for dash about 2 minutes faster. It then proceeds to lose time in a bunch of places to not having fireball, but overall saves about 30 seconds
It's doable on all patches

Notably not faster for optimal 1.4.3.2+ because slopeball is required for isma's route

But is faster if you're doing cdash route

[severe dock]

Thank you very much everyone

[gray ember]

This is actually possible, i tried once but messed something up at some point and it didn't work, but i saw someone doing it on youtube, its funny how you have the broken steelsoul HUD while you can still play

[stable quarry]

Do you have a link?

[gray ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25d25fhNFnE

here it is, the only thing that is weird is that usually on LP when you get benchfloat from MMS you don't have the "at bench" sprite that he has when falling in kp, but maybe it is just precise timing between not having it and having yesclip, or maybe about framerate or the fact that this is on steelsoul

[stable quarry]

Nice

[quaint violet]

wait

for fireball skips are you supposed to only be looking in the opposite direction or do you flick

like for the hornet one do you hold left and then fireball right hold left fireball right etc

[vagrant warren]

Turnarounds aren't required for that particular fireball skip, but they can help you get extra distance. Some like Queens station skip require turnarounds

[weary root]

Turnarounds are actively bad for that skip cause you need to maintain height, they lose height but gain extra distance

[cursive eagle]

How do you make a route for a speedrun?

[sturdy glade]

Easiest method is to just do a route that's already been made by other people

if it's not something that people have really done before, I would recommend joining the pinned server and asking in nmg discussion or misc

[vagrant warren]

If you want to make your own from scratch you need to decide your end condition (credits or something else), figure out what you need to get there (skills, etc), and how much geo is needed (stag station costs, nail upgrades etc). Then experiment to find the fastest way to collect all the things on the way to your goal

[cursive eagle]

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

[prisma trellis]

Hey there is my personal best but I am not satisfied and I hope to sub 1h30, do you have any advice ? https://youtu.be/wzDF7jpcNxM?si=K9NE041HF0FyepYA

[sturdy glade]

practice probably

can't watch rn but usually new runners need lots of boss practice

[steady lynx]

1:30 makes me feel like you probably got stuck on WK for a bit, and you were running on LP so the low equipment THK really got you good

[quaint violet]

oh interesting

i lowkey should look into the fireborn stuff but im too lazy so i havent really routed anything after claw 💀

i assume if you arent doing blue lake shade skip the route is something like
-geo rocks ånd relics throughout
-buy shaman stone after claw
-collect a bunch of relics
-get dive in sanctum
-sell to lemm
-stag back to dirtmouth buy lantern
-enter peak get cdash and then fall into resting grounds for dream nail
-3 dreamers

? (this is just a guess i havent looked at anything LOL i just dk how to do the blue lake shade skip so i might just not)

[weary root]

honestly just do the shade skip it's not that bad

[sturdy glade]

Yeah lowk just learn shade

[quaint violet]

uhh the issue is it gets too close to teh wall and then it goes back to its original location

also isnt clawless shade skip significantly harder than with claw

i guess claw acc isnt that far out nvm

[sturdy glade]

Any route does claw before

[weary root]

you should be doing it with claw

but yeah you want to jump off the middle of the wall (not high cause you bonk your head) and dash over, pogo, dash back

that way you can pogo from much further away and the shade won't tether back

[mossy pine]

anyone wanna

take a challenge?

lets speedrun path of pain or p5 in vc

lets see who does it first:D

[lean swan]

i can if i first find path of pain are all charms allowed

[quaint violet]

ok lol

[sturdy glade]

Btw I meant any% route does claw before

There are a small handful of runs (I think just true ending on the main board) that do claw after dnail and do the harder dash fb shade skip

[quaint violet]

yeah

ohh wait ok

lol

i was confused about that yeah i thought i was just tweaking

[quaint violet]

ok

you have to hit it once right?

before*

also the shade roughly has to be like where

[sturdy glade]

you can just pogo twice

Hitting before is a little faster but it only gives you one pogo of height when you can get the more comfy two

[static umbra]

yea u usually hit the shade once before doing the shade skip since u only need one pogo to get the height needed. but not hitting the shade beforehand also works for more safety.
the shade should be roughly where u can jump and dash to, u want to above it when u dash over so u can pogo it

[quaint violet]

uhh okay

idk why i just never thought about

dash

😭

[static umbra]

well the dash is to clear the ledge more easily, and also i think if u wait too long the shade will be too far from its home and go back so that just makes it unecessarily hard

[cursive eagle]

Is there a map for making speedrun routes?

[vagrant warren]

There are lots of maps available, depending in the level of detail you want. Most routes are just notes tho, it's pretty uncommon to have full route on a mao

[sturdy glade]

For making routes theres plenty online (usually I use scripters war) but there's definitely a lot of routing knowledge not there

Tons of skips and more importantly geo amounts aren't on there which you mostly just kinda learn

[vagrant warren]

I'm curious why scripters war I stead of hallownest.net? I thjnk hallownest is a better map overall, although the icon toggling on scripters may be valuable for routing?

[sturdy glade]

just the one I use lol

I mean I don't even use a map very often atp so

[shell bear]

hi im doing my first run of hollow knight and deciding to speedrun it cuz this other guy is also playing it with me and is annoying as zote

hes already ahead of me

[tulip rain]

can we still inventory drop in the latest patch?

[static umbra]

Yes but it’s a lot harder on latest patch since u have to open inventory the instant u fall off a ledge

[quaint violet]

i can do it with like 50% consistency off kings pass into dirtmouth but isnt the horizontal distance more worth 💀

[static umbra]

Yea I don’t think u do it there

[sturdy glade]

don't do it

[static umbra]

I think it’s usually for like the tall gruzzer room in crossroads or that drop in crystal peaks towards crystal heart

[sturdy glade]

those are the only two super worth ones I believe

obviously tons are worth but like lose time if you do it early once

[hidden sundial]

Returning from Lurien there are a few drops worth a shot

[tulip rain]

i see thank you because i was pretty confused why i was having such a difficult time with that on the latest patch but in 1.2.2.1 it is easier somehow

[tulip rain]

yeah these drops i was attempting to do it but i failed miserably

and in the room above cornifer in fg

forgotten crossroads

[quaint violet]

wouldn’t you hit a gruz(zer)?

[quaint violet]

on 1221 u just do it like whenever though right

[static umbra]

sometimes u do but sometimes u wont, its rng

[quaint violet]

oh lol

does wcs for blue lake work on latest?

i can’t even think of like what the route is after dream nail rn

[static umbra]

wcs is a major glitch in latest patch, im not exactly sure why since im not an avid speedrunner but im sure someone else in this channel can elaborate

[quaint violet]

ou wait what

[sturdy glade]

alr I gotchu

so the reason you do way more inventory drops on 1221 is you can do them midair, so you never really need to worry about missing them

however there's still like a minimum distance for them to be worth because of things like lag with opening and closing and the other option of just doing a pre jump or minihop prejump

On 1.3+, wall cling storage doesn't give you the midair cling and therefore doesn't give you momentum

It is also a hell of a lot harder to get accidentally, which is one of the main reasons why it needed to be legalized in some form of fashion on older patches

And since the only thing you can do with wcs on lp is jump out of it (not very useful unless breaking topology most of the time), it's just banned outright

[quaint violet]

oh

the shade skip is easy i see

im at kings station rn i just dk the rest of the route

😭

[static umbra]

Gorgeous husk then watchers

[sturdy glade]

ghusk then spire bench most likely

[quaint violet]

nail 0??

[steady lynx]

You start with nail 0, the first upgrade is nail 1, and so on

Easier than remembering the names of each

[quaint violet]

nono

im saying

do u do watchers with nail 0 lol

i just died in tears 💀

im gonna get nail 1

[static umbra]

the usual vs route does watchers with nail0 but if u don’t feel comfortable with that u can get a nail upgrade or even do the shade soul route

[quaint violet]

okay

do you get

kings station stag?

or no

[static umbra]

Yes, usually it’s done on the way back after selling relics

[quaint violet]

ok

oh i have like 1 relic

cause im not following a like route im just kind of going to places 💀

[static umbra]

I mean u should be following a route if u wanna get better times. Unless u just wanna do 5 hr speedrun in which case it’s pretty lenient so u just need a general game plan in mind rather than any specific route

[quaint violet]

im like

im basically doing 5h

r

but i did random skips for funny

[static umbra]

Oh if u r doing 5hr achievement u should be going for more upgrades than what the usual any% route does, i would recommend ddark and shaman stone, perhaps spell twister too if u get enough notches

[sturdy glade]

well you should be getting shamans regardless

[static umbra]

Yea that’s true, just thought I’d mention it on the off chance they didn’t get it for some reason

Anyways there is a guide for 5 hrs in pinned msgs

[quaint violet]

wait how do you enter watchers 😭

yeah the fireb0rn guide just like

[static umbra]

Without wings u gonna have to do a background object pogo

[quaint violet]

i was trying to follow it too closely and got confused and i think its fine

[sturdy glade]

LP you have to kill the great husk sentry

[quaint violet]

oh ok i thought so

oh thats interesting

oh wait thats really easy im just stupid 💀

[quaint violet]

is there like a shade soul nail 1 route thats like not the fireb0rn 5h one i want to try for like a sub2

wait how do shade soul routes even work on latest patch

do you need wings and/or elegant key? cause ik nail hitting through doors isnt possible

walls

[sturdy glade]

you get ekey

[quaint violet]

oh

[craggy narwhal]

Is there a guide to speed running? I want to speed run on my Xbox but don’t know any skips

[sturdy glade]

There are a few

You probably want to join the pinned server and type ;anylp, but you can also use the command ;welcome if that's not what you're looking for

[craggy narwhal]

Alright thanks

[south herald]

least of the worries tbh

[vagrant warren]

Well, yes

[south herald]

I deleted the wrong message

[sturdy glade]

Censoring Colette lmao

[vagrant warren]

Lmao well at leat I didn't get kicked this time

[potent mountain]

[spring dawn]

guys i cant join voice channels and idk why

[static umbra]

u have the new knight role (also not sure why u asked this is #speedrunning out of all the channels)

[quaint violet]

the steel soul route is really interesting

i might get like nail 2 or 3 though lowkey

[static umbra]

i dont think nail 3 is that quick to get, not good for a speedrun

[spring dawn]

idk i just found it on my way

[craggy narwhal]

Can you do the inventory thingy to fall down quickly on console?

[static umbra]

yes, tho im pretty sure console runs on 1432 so u cant open inventory midair

[formal bough]

console would be 15[numbers]

but yes the point is true. You can, but only if you open it the frame you walk off the ledge. This makes it quite tight, compared to earlier game versions where you could just open it midair

so it's more limited and hard

[sturdy glade]

turns out both of you are wrong, console is 1433

[formal bough]

...oh

wow

I had forgotten about how good of a video game hollow knight was

hadn't thought about console versions in a while

[mossy brook]

Except switch, which is 1.4.3.2

[grim iron]

no wonder why I can't see the mod ping in my inbox

[quaint violet]

im like not good at bosses with less stuff lowkey

should i just get ddark and shade soul

[static umbra]

one or the other is fine, dont get both since its a waste of time. tbh if u r getting ddark u might as well just follow fireborns guide

[simple cloak]

Hi! I'm trying to complete Hollow Knight without killing enemies as quickly as possible, but I have a question. Sometimes there are enemies that are mandatory to advance. If I eliminate them, can I still consider myself a pacifist? Or if I find a way to skip a mandatory enemy and advance, but it takes me longer, what takes priority: speed or pacifism?

Also, what is considered pacifist? Because with the Spore Mushroom and Defender's Shield equipped, I'm not attacking, but I can eliminate enemies. Does it stop being pacifist the moment I attack, or when I eliminate an enemy, even without attacking them directly?

I take it seriously but I'm just doing it for fun

[formal bough]

I mean this is a question of your rules

I would personally say that "you can call yourself a pacifist if you minimize it, skipping a mandatory enemy is 100% more important than speed since otherwise you'd just do any%, and it depends on your ruleset as to how to define infractions"

[static umbra]

It’s entirely up to interpretation as there isn’t a ruleset for a pacifist run but ive seen it done by trying to minimize hunters journal entries. But under nmg, a true pacifist run where u dont kill anything at all is impossible since at the very least ull need to kill wk, uumuu, and thk in order to win.

[formal bough]

One reasonable interpretation is minimal nail based soul gain, for example, because then you're not directly killing anything

Another reasonable interpretation is just that any time an enemy dies that's bad

Another one would be to minimize the amount of damage dealt to enemies

[hidden sundial]

I'd say the closest doable pacifist run would be pure Dreamshield for damage and kill the Crossroads aspid arena using both hazards

[formal bough]

there's the gruz mom dillemma so it depends on how you count it

[hidden sundial]

Well, it does make things slower but Gruz Mother is optional

[quaint violet]

whoops i bought elegant key and am at the bench outside sanctum already 😭

might as well atp

if im like really consistent with inventory drops should i just try it more

i lowkey went like 5 for 5 or something

[modest crescent]

My livesplit only shows if my HK isn't fullscreen and it's really annoying. Is that normal?

[weary root]

If you put -popupwindow into steams launch properties for the game it will open in borderless windowed

So you can have it be "fullscreen" and then livesplit will show on top correctly

But honestly having livesplit on top of the game is annoying so ideally you have it on a second monitor or just play in windowed mode

This tells you how to find steams launch options. Can be a little hidden

[quaint violet]

just curious

do cutscenes count towards game time?

[fleet heron]

idk bruh

[quaint violet]

bro . . .

[fleet heron]

[sturdy glade]

matters which

most don't

Maybe all actual cutscenes don't count

Stags don't, dreamer cutscenes don't on older patches (I think they do on lp), and the timer starts after opening cutscenes

[quaint violet]

oh interesting

[sturdy glade]

Can't skip dreamer cutscenes on lp

[quaint violet]

ok lol steel soul any% first time in 3:something:something

yippee!

oh i sub 3ed wtf

LOL

the final hk fight felt like 10 minutes not 5

[sturdy glade]

oh THAT game time

no one knows how it works

over 3 hours I would say it probably lost you upwards of half an hour loadless

[upbeat laurel]

wake up

[thorn jasper]

I'm awake what do you want

[quaint violet]

that’s crazy

[carmine cypress]

first sub 50 :D

[uneven urchin]

Gg!

[knotty scaffold]

question, is there a specific path thats good to run by/through

[sturdy glade]

yeah

The important ones are outlined in the pinned server if you type ;any or ;anylp

[willow jungle]

with p5 speedruns, is it good enough to have the title screen show up after the pantheon, or do i have to show the game launching?

[static umbra]

u just need to show the title screen at some point in the recording, whether its before or after the run

[willow jungle]

good to know thx

[stable quarry]

It was nice when they changed that rule

[willow jungle]

common achow W, even helping me in speedrunning

[stable quarry]

It used to be before only

[willow jungle]

i see

it just seems better to leave extra 2 mins at the end, than to upload an hr long session

cause i never remember to go to menu after an attempt

[stable quarry]

I would advice you to go to the menu after your pb but aslong as you have it in the start or end or timestamped then you should be good afaik

Only issue would be obs crashing before you get title screen recorded

[willow jungle]

noted, thx

[static umbra]

for p5 it should boot u out to title screen after the end credits roll or whatever happens after u complete the pantheon so u just need to record up to that point. but for other speedruns like pop its more of a concern to have to remember to quit to menu after a pb

okay actually i was only thinking about it in terms of a classic save file. it doesnt boot u out if u in a godseeker file so u need to remember to quit out there

[mint mist]

why is mag isma’s faster for 1432+ any% nmg?

[sturdy glade]

you can use slopeball to get to wings quickly

otherwise you need a nail upgrade or gwomb both of which are p big time deficits

beyond the LP specific slopeball ismas mostly saves time in skipping den

[steady lynx]

Don't forget not needing geo for lantern to get cdash

[sturdy glade]

how much time does that save

it's a good amount I'm just curious if you know

it also mildly bleeds time throughout the run to not getting long cdashes

[steady lynx]

I have no clue, I don't run any% NMG

Ask Nebula (The League player)

[sturdy glade]

he doesn't know either let's be real

[steady lynx]

True

[steep terrace]

hello, im new to speedrunning and i have trouble with the hollow knight, if im close to him i get hit by his slash attack. Can annyone help me?

and if i am far away i cant dodge his shoot attack

[lone wasp]

I need a route

[still lodge]

https://pastebin.com/mMfMLDjA

do this

it's fast

you can get world record with this route

[coral shore]

you just start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk

[gray ember]

or you matoclip cuz its faster

[steady lynx]

Do we need to update the pasta again?

[gray ember]

why again? the older route version must be like 5 years old or something

[lone wasp]

Nah I don't care about that I just like playing hollowknight so I'd rather do it competitively

[steady lynx]

Did we never update it for the redupe?

[gray ember]

I wasnt there maybe you did

but what changed between the different dupe routes? is it the false knight rooms that were added or something else?

[steady lynx]

Basically after the first dupe you transition storage the stag and dupe into the room on the left so you end up on the far left side of the long corridor

Then you enter FK room so chaining the stag after that is pointless

[vagrant warren]

free money

Also, semi-related, why can I only ping mods from my phone? LMAO on desktop it literally only brins up normal users & no roles

[mossy brook]

Maybe you have to scroll a bit?

It first tries to show related things

[vagrant warren]

there's no scroll

Vs mobile

Any discord knowers? maybe I've someone disabled roles from showing on a fucking toggle somewhere

[mint mist]

mobile advantage

optimal

[mossy brook]

First time ever discord mobile got the edge

[mossy brook]

I am curious what would happen if you just press enter when having typed that

[mint mist]

wdym i can get the overlapping messages visual bug and read two messages at once

[vagrant warren]

<@&283547423706447872> don't be mad if this works plz

[mint mist]

omg

[vagrant warren]

OK it does work

[mossy brook]

[potent mountain]

[slate pilot]

Hey

[south herald]

Gork

[spice cradle]

Uh oh

[vagrant warren]

Zal please don't ban me again

[mint mist]

https://tenor.com/view/simba-stampede-lion-king-wildebeest-running-gif-8591763

[potent mountain]

[mint mist]

mods you are water buffalo

🐃

[vagrant warren]

so, tldr is desktop is just jank, noted

[mint mist]

oh those are wildebeest

where is wildebeest emoji

[mossy brook]

That's literally wildanimal translated into dutch

Creative name

[mint mist]

we should domesticate them

so it’s ironic

imagine waking up and your pet wildebeest is staring at you

[sacred thunder]

For some reason I think it is case sensitive

Typing the M usually brings up the role or highlights it better

[alpine ether]

I beat path of pain in only 7 hours that has to be the fastest time

[sturdy glade]

probably

[shell spindle]

I beat HK in only 5 days that's probably top 10 right

[idle cypress]

If you're ranking jokes that have been done the most times it's in the top 10

[steady lynx]

It's kinda odd, despite the sheer amount of times people have done that joke, it has yet to be funny even once

[sturdy glade]

Idk it feels kinda common for the bad jokes to be the most repeated

[steady lynx]

🐴

[sturdy glade]

barnrot is like schrödinger's cat of memes, you don't know if it's funny or not until you look at who sent it

[steady lynx]

You can also never tell if the person sending it is trying to be actual funny or ironic funny

[stark valve]

Do people speedrun this on console?

[gray ember]

some do, yes

[sturdy glade]

more like a few

there's just a handful of downsides that make it a lot worse, namely the lack of practice tools and the lack of a load removed

And then both of those compile into less resources and competition

[stark valve]

Yeah, I figured it'd definitely be a smaller community than pc speedrunning. That's kinda just how the cookie crumbles

[sturdy glade]

who up crumbling they cookie rn

[steady lynx]

You know what?
uncrumbles your cookie

[lofty flare]

Oh yeah? crumbles your cookie again

[stark valve]

[full oasis]

i want to do my first speedrun what should i look out for

[sturdy glade]

watcher knights

[steady lynx]

Watch out for timeloss, a lot of new runners encounter a lot of that

[hidden sundial]

Avoid deaths, work on boss combat, learn skips, learn room cycles, micro-optimize, repeat

[mint mist]

nerth speedrunning appearance

[hidden sundial]

I pop up every now and then

I even made an incredibly awful run of the Scattered and Lost mod

Which failed to follow the principles of not dying and learning the rooms lmao

[weary root]

<@&283547423706447872>

[marble brook]

How should I get into speed running? Like what categories should I run?

(as a new runner)

[formal bough]

the category that speaks to you. there are lots of fun meme categories or just something simple like any%

I started with low% because I really wanted to do it lol

[marble brook]

Okay, thanks

[inner vigil]

the starter category, low% te

[mint mist]

all skills is also pretty friendly right

or did it get a reroute

it’s just early isma’s for tricky skips?

[weary root]

yeah the harder things in all skills are the acid skips to isma's, dark rooms, and depending on route aspid pogo to hornet 2

but you actually have damage for bosses and no qga

[marble brook]

Hmmmm

[sturdy glade]

do low te dropless

[tawdry prism]

Is low% God home ending a ran category? That sounds like a routing nightmare

[sturdy glade]

go into the pinned server and type @keen tuskromer low% ge? And he can talk to you about it

mb cube talking about the romer

[hidden sundial]

Low% GE is tough, but since it hard requires several dream bosses to be killed, it's less of a grinding nightmare than Low% TE

[sturdy glade]

Calling low ge just "tough" has to be the understatement of the century

[hidden sundial]

I suppose it is

Def not something I'd run

[inner robin]

im working on optimizing it rn

cuber ran it for a bit, he operates under a different ruleset where strength is allowed bc you can give it to divine and you lose the % before you finish the game

[tawdry prism]

That's actually a cool mini strat ngl

[inner robin]

yeah

im running it without strength bc i disagree with those rules but like
idk its not actually a real category bc theres like 2 recorded runs of it lol

[tawdry prism]

Yeah it's definitely not a competitive run but it sounds interesting

[inner robin]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BNErxq2_fP-3XKSNSSFby9JSXzJ4Rw1UZFcWTijGMfo/edit?tab=t.0 here's the route i have

[tawdry prism]

And doesn't have the painful essence grind

[inner robin]

mhm

its probably not optimized super well, gp stag seems kind of icky but idrk

[tawdry prism]

Seems like there's a bunch of small sq/DG starts I didn't know about

I'll give it a better read later maybe

[inner robin]

if you have any suggestions that would be great

routing isnt actually that bad bc you dont have to worry about geo too much

[tawdry prism]

I'll see if I find anything

[inner robin]

you just buy like lantern, a simple key, 2 colo entries, and stags

and basin toll ig

i didnt actually like time anything myself ever

sq / dg / stags is like a nightmare in like most categories at least for me personally bc too much thinking,,,,,,

[glass fiber]

what do people typically compare their splits against on livesplit?

i currently have mine set to personal best, but i want to make sure i'm avoiding misleading myself or anything

[turbid patio]

yeah

thats the norm

some people have a button that lets you cycle through the other options, which you can set up if you want

[sturdy glade]

compare to world record to hate yourself !

[inner robin]

just finished a run, i spent 8 mins going the wrong way (strengthless run)

sobbing

this run sucks

imagine overworld

[sturdy glade]

that's a good 112 enter godhome time

[lucid glen]

hello all. I'm new here, and I just had a technical question. How does one get the integrated split tracker?

[vagrant warren]

You can enable the autosplitter in livesplit, and then either add you own splits & auto splits, or download them premade from hksplitmaker.com

[lucid glen]

never even heard of livesplit. Is there like a detailed walkthrough available somewhere? I found the github page but i'm not great with technical computer stuff, so i'm a bit lost

[weary root]

https://livesplit.org/downloads/

are you on windows?

[lucid glen]

oh, a dedicated website. that's refreshing

i am

[weary root]

yeah shouldn't be too hard then

download it run the .exe

than if you right click -> edit splits -> put Hollow Knight into the game name

it should prompt you to download the autosplitter

[lucid glen]

mostly automated setup ftw

[weary root]

then you can get premade splits or customise your own at https://hksplitmaker.com/

[lucid glen]

one thing that's never entirely clear when i watch videos. Does it track the game and automatically mark segments done, or do you have to hit a button to mark completion?

[weary root]

depends on the game

hollow knight the autosplitter reads the game data and splits automatically

[lucid glen]

love it

the less i have to do the better, lol

i'd be that person who forgets to hit it every other segment

[weary root]

yeah I ran a pokemon game for the first time this week and only had two splits cause I knew I'd forget to split manually lol

[lucid glen]

ADHD: great for playing games, bad for tracking them, lol

not to imply you have it, but i sure as hell do

[weary root]

look I haven't been diagnosed but all signs point to yes

it's very common among speedrunners

[sturdy glade]

one of many common traits

[warm junco]

ok I just beat ||uumuu|| and killed ||monomon||
||lurien|| is dead
i have ||dash, claw, c. dash, and ismas tear||
im 2:22 in
i know about ||the entrance to deepnest through gardens||, and how to get to ||beasts den|| from there
any tips to get to ||Herrah|| as quick as possible so I have as much time as possible to ||drain THK’s health pool||?

[steady lynx]

Okay, you don't have to spoiler mark in this chat

[warm junco]

oh thank god

[steady lynx]

Okay, since you have Isma's Tear you can just go through QG, do you have Shade Soul or just VS?

[sturdy glade]

holy hell you actually have to do that in other channels?

That's nearly unbearable

[tawdry prism]

I mean in help channels for people that don't know the game yeah, kinda makes sense tbh, it's not that bad tbh you can just spoiler a while msg

[steady lynx]

I'd probably slip up so much if I tried talking in those chats that I'd stop talking in them

[sturdy glade]

id say enough shit I'd probably hug get banned

[mossy brook]

You don't tag every word individually, it's just adding the bars at the start and end of the message

Like 2 seconds of work

[sturdy glade]

spoilering an entire message isn't crazy just what they did is wild

[tawdry prism]

yea mostly i just do ||the whole section that has spoilers in one go or just the whole msg, word per word is insane||

[median wasp]

I don’t know how people spoiler individual parts of a message without going insane. Especially when you have to spoiler something like ‘compass’

[slim sphinx]

What is the most simple speedrun category to start with would you guys say?

[steady lynx]

King's Pass Slower

[mint mist]

4ms

menderbug%

[severe dock]

I keep having this problem when I am trying to do explo pogo. I dash into the bouncy pad before hitting it but whenever I press the button to dash to the left it gets delayed. I'm playing on version 1.4.3.2 on console and I don't know what to do. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[odd leaf]

When you pogo off those things there is like a delay in where you can do anything

Its the same for pc too

[wintry scaffold]

https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/kuSpcZXx3W03XMQ0D?invite=cr-MSxFNXUsMTk2MDkxOTgz what happened here?

is this a known bug?

[formal bough]

elevator storage, game thinks you're still on the elevator because of how you left it

(hazard respawning the top corner)

[wintry scaffold]

makes sense ig

[sturdy glade]

yeah you don't walk out of the elevator hitbox after being in it so it doesn't go away

[safe heart]

2h (for beat the game) in steel soul mod is good?

[sturdy glade]

elaboration on "is my time good?"

if you're happy with it then it's good, no one else can speak to the difficulty of that for you personally except yourself

if you want more info, here's a copypasta
||Elaboration on "Is my time good?"

This is a common question we see from beginners here. It is understandable that you are unable to go to speedrun.com and check for yourself. However, others can fairly label your time as "good" or "bad". How you feel about the run is not an important factor, it is up to the opinion of top runners. If you feel good about the run, then you have very low standards and should be ashamed. If you are unhappy or disappointed, then you're on the right track!

Constant self-deprecation is fundamental to speedrunning, and is a natural place to find much of your addiction from playing Hollow Knight. Focusing on how much bad rng you have and how much you hate the game and yourself is a healthy and uplifting way to evaluate your life.||

[still lodge]

idk i still haven't gotten sub 3 hours so i think 2 hours is quite good

[turbid patio]

what is meant to motivate me if its not the feeling that my times are garbage>???????

[sturdy glade]

no you're right that's the correct pov

[knotty fiber]

Oh wait- this is the speedrunning channel
For a second I thought this was the memes channel and was wondering what was supposed to be the joke on that copypasta XD

[sturdy glade]

The joke is that genuine anger with yourself over video game times is ridiculous

[severe dock]

https://youtu.be/Sg2_AjMaCh0?si=gtmhcJkZcpFg_YZU

I keep trying to use this guide but when I set it up the explosion ball always ends up slightly to the right to much and I don't get the hit

[severe dock]

Current patch btw

[thorn jasper]

if you want an alternative you could try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

[weary root]

oh this is pantapogo, yeah it's stupid precise

most consistent methods use one or more fireballs like the link slaurent posted

[plucky kite]

cooperrekcah pogo is easier than 3fb imo

[hidden sundial]

Yeah I use a 2 fb method for that one, but it's not like the one on the tutorial. Should upload a vid sometime

[honest saffron]

In the king's pass drop right at the start, when should you inventory drop to save the most amount of time, are there any visual cues I should be aiming for?

[tardy cosmos]

hi, I wanted to know this : is there a ''False Knight Skip'' autosplit on livesplit ? If yes I cant find it

[sturdy glade]

like breaking the wall?

I don't believe there is one but like I don't see the use considering its just a tiny bit of movement to vs

[verbal stag]

move right until you touch the wall

[tardy cosmos]

ok, and also the greenpath split didnt worked last time I entered the area

[sturdy glade]

using enter gp?

[tardy cosmos]

nope, thats surely why lol thanks

ok and now I cant find it

what is the exact name of the split pls ?

[sturdy glade]

use hollow knight splitmaker

like there's premade splits for most of everything and an easy to use ui

[silk oak]

Hi, I don't know if this is the right chat for it, but I just completed a Hollow Knight speedrun using a guide for the under 5-hours achievement for the first time, and I just wanted to say I'm super happy about it

[formal bough]

hey congrats!

gg

and well under 5 hours too

[silk oak]

I haven't played the game in a while, but since Silksong is releasing soon I decided to pick it back up and finish up whatever I could

[silk oak]

Thank you!

While looking through stuff about the game I found out there's so much I haven't found yet, so I'm just doing that now

[steel willow]

nice job !!

[white canopy]

Hey yall, is this the right place to ask how to get a speedrunner role or what the requirements for it are?

[sturdy glade]

sr role isn't really a thing anymore

stuff happens in the pinned server

[white canopy]

I see ty

[modern marlin]

huh'

[quaint kraken]

is this fast

[sturdy glade]

if you want to know if it's competitive check speedrun.com if you want to know whether you're happy with it that's just a question for yourself

[quaint kraken]

but i know it isnt like extremely fast but just normal fast

but ill have a look

[sturdy glade]

So like comparing to the average player?

[quaint kraken]

owh hehehe number one did in 2 hours

yes

[sturdy glade]

Then that's probably pretty fast

[quaint kraken]

but imma be honest this is my second time 112-ing

[sturdy glade]

Is this 112 or godhome ending too

[formal bough]

I have no clue what's fast for a second casual attempt of 112 idk if anybody does tbqh

[quaint kraken]

just 112

just beat p4 with some minor heartattacks

[formal bough]

I can wager first casual, I can wager speedrun, I don't know about the inbetween

[quaint kraken]

dont know if im ready for 5

[quaint kraken]

id say first 112 is about 70-100 hours

at least for me my first was at like 80 hours i would guess

maybe more

but i think my first time 112-ing wasnt my first playtrough

[sturdy glade]

no one knows how fast just 112 is ngl

[quaint kraken]

as my whole pc had to reset and i lost my steam account

[formal bough]

yeah about that timewise. still if you want to try to speedrun there are resources, gg on second 112

[quaint kraken]

idk maybe ill focus on maybe clearing p5

if my heart can handle it

im still shaking dont even know why

p4 isnt even that hard except pure vessel

1 fumble and its mostly over

maybe ill start a godhome run to practice sisters of battle

can you practice absrad

[formal bough]

yeah once you've encountered her once

[quaint kraken]

f*ck

I would like to practice her but yeahhhh wont happen anytime soon

fact is i was playing undertale but got stuck on sans. Didnt touch the game again

[rugged forge]

Hey guys Sorry to bother. Does anyone know how to get two different copies of hollow knight, One with current patch and the other with 1.2.2.1?

[median wasp]

HK 1.2.2.1 Speedrun Prep Guide.

[cedar oracle]

So you run any% on 1.2.2.1?

For the fastest patch

Never really did any% for my category choices

[vagrant warren]

It can be run on latest patch as well. The boards are split.

[cedar oracle]

Doesn't really answer my question

[vagrant warren]

You question was , "so you run on 1221?"

It is still slightly faster, but the times between patches are quite close at this point. And many people cannot run 1221

[short flume]

hello guys I am a new speedrunner player and I start to speedrun the game but every time I restart the save I am stuck in the bench and I cant stand up (sorry for my english I am french)

when I am on the last version there is no problem but in 1.2.2.1 the bug came back

[thorn jasper]

best bet is to clear the registry after switching patches. the pinned server has a ;registry command with more info

[fleet jolt]

Where do I find the image to the chandelier used in splits? I can’t seem to find it in the download file with all icons on speedrun.com

Nvm

[steady lynx]

I wonder if the folder has the comically large png

[fleet jolt]

Wdym?

[steady lynx]

The icon is actually just massive

[fleet jolt]

U mean the chandelier icon?

[vagrant comet]

It's my first time speed running and I have a few quesrions

I'm not too good at skips so I just decided I'd have to do the necessary stuff for the movement abilities, do you guys think its possible to beat the broken vessel and get the monarch wings, get ismas tear, all 3 dreamers and fight the hollow knight all in an hour and 45 minutes?

I struggled alot with the watcher knigjts in my first(and only) play through so I think I might struggle here tlo

[steel willow]

i mean yeah as long as you practice that seems totally possible imo

[weary root]

I don't think you should bother with wings

the object pogo up to spire might take youa few tries but it's not that difficult

but yeah all of that is totally doable in 1:45

[steel willow]

i do agree with this

[weary root]

If you struggle with watchers then getting shade soul or an extra nail upgrade can really help

[vagrant comet]

I think I did do the first upgrade that doesn't require pale ore

[vagrant comet]

I'll practice that a few times in my main save so I dint waste time

[odd leaf]

Do you need longnail for watcher spire bg object pogo?

To get in?

[fleet jolt]

No

[odd leaf]

Ok thanks

[fleet jolt]

Just full jump and pogo at at the apex of ur jump and dash in to the wall

[full oasis]

hi im not that good in skips but i do want to get a sub 1 hour run

and for that i need to do qga

any tips on how to do it

[mossy brook]

You really don't, it saves marginal time for subhour. But if you do want to still go for it, I'd join the speedrunning server (see pins) and check out the metronome they have in there

[full oasis]

thanks

il be sure to do that

[prisma burrow]

you dont need qga you could use the fungal entrance takes longer but way easier

[mint mist]

yeah fungal loses like 30 seconds afaik

[median wasp]

I’ve seen some people get sub 40 with fungal, since it only loses 30-40 seconds

[limpid fossil]

does anyone have a route for the 5h speedrun achievement, im quite new and want the achievements

[static umbra]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[limpid fossil]

ah ok sorry

[hidden sundial]

Yeah you def don't do QGA for sub hour unless you're just fine with doing it

[gray ember]

i'm ok with QGA, i just dont like mantis arena lmao

[thorn jasper]

you don't have to go through mantis lords to access deepnest. there's a breakable wall near spore shroom that leads to the collapsing floor

[gray ember]

i was talking about the little arena with 1 mantis traitor and then 2 mantis traitors (the flying ones) you have to kill in queen's gardens after you do QGA, that you enter with a cdash right after an inventory drop

[crimson moat]

petras my worst nightmare

i personally find them worse than primal aspids

[hidden sundial]

They're quite worse IMO

Though bringing soul and the current strat, the arena's not too bad

[severe dock]

Finally got explo pogo skip down!!

[cedar oracle]

I haven't

The only consistent way for me is the double fireball way

I cant get the jelly pogo way after like 50 attempts

[ancient field]

Peak pfp

Lowkey looks like my brother

[fervent gazelle]

I can beat a any% steel soul run with no skips or glitches in 15 hours and 36 minutes on switch

[ancient field]

Cool

Now do that same run but faster on switch 2 (faster load times)

[hasty horizon]

got skill issued ;-;

gg go next

[weary root]

Now do it again but faster

[vagrant comet]

Chat I did the skip!!! But it is definitely gonna take me a few tries to do the watcher knights

[ancient field]

Ddark my beloved

Makes under 5hr easy

[steady lynx]

My favourite features of DDark are that it deals a lot of damage and also gives you iframes, it's great for not dying to video game bosses

||there'll come a day when I stop referencing that copypasta||

[sturdy glade]

the day you die?

[steady lynx]

I'll be haunting my house telling the next owner references to the copypasta

[weary root]

my favourite feature of ddark is that, without shaman stone, the left side deals more damage than the right side

[median wasp]

Wait, what?! Team Cherry’s coding never ceases to amaze me

[steady lynx]

Yeah, the final wave deals either 10 or 15 damage depending on side without shaman

With shaman it's the same on both sides

[hidden sundial]

I didn't know that. Now every time I ever use DD I'll try to hit with the left side

[sturdy glade]

ok but why don't you have shamans on

[vagrant warren]

Because he's playing rando & hasn't found it

[silver canyon]

like hello????

that's frames

[sacred thunder]

man what I race
truly an incredible moment to not have witness live 5 years ago

[formal bough]

the speedrunning discord is linked in the pinsn

[mossy brook]

'

On mobile press the channel name

[tropic relic]

guys, is there any official speedrun to see zote die??

[formal bough]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSHyJ2ZdtTPvoudRJ_VAW_an61MumAHdsQOm4Z9wvn_ou73rxX9w9ydb_lDuyOTCnXvmb68HlMrjPYa/pubhtml#

[thorn jasper]

no, but naturally it's part of the All Achievements run

[formal bough]

kill zote/neglect has a tab

but it's not official no

[eager folio]

yo

I am trying to do a specific challenge

get the simple key in storerooms without mantis claws

[sturdy glade]

funny route is 1221 mop lever skip

[hidden sundial]

Yeah I don't think it's possible on current patch

Except rando obviously

[weary root]

People once again forgetting the existence of shrogo

[hidden sundial]

Oh true, shrogo exists I guess

[harsh vine]

Hi, (it's probably been found before) but here's a cool skip

Sorry for the music in the clip by the way lol, I forgot to turn it off
You will get softlocked unless you have dreamgate though

I don't think it's viable in any circumstance but it is cool

here's a second one with only two fireballs, it's a lot harder. I got this clip on 0.8 game speed

at least you don't get softlocked! (as long as you have vessel fragments or soultwister)

[formal bough]

skips like this are used in rando yeah

[eager folio]

you can pogo that one background crystal in peak to get to crown without double jump right?

nvm you need the spider alive

:c

[sturdy glade]

No you can pogo it

[stable moon]

In what world is that a spider 😭

[solemn pewter]

Hey guys, anybody know a good YouTuber who is good at explaining speed running or just tips in general? Any help on getting started would be appreciated. I'm new to it and want to learn more.

[vagrant warren]

It will depend what category you're looking to run. For the most up to date resources join the server in pins

[solemn pewter]

ah i see. thanks!

[near briar]

I CANT BEAT FUCKING P3 WHAT DO I DO

[static umbra]

Why ask in #speedrunning instead of #hk-help ?

R u having trouble speedrunning p3 or beating p3 at all?

[weary root]

have you tried practising the fights in the hall of gods

[tropic hare]

are u struggling with ummu or sly

[sleek laurel]

Litteraly JUST started speedrunning and I know next to nothing, does anyone have a list of splits I should use?

[vagrant warren]

hksplitmaker is linked in pins, what specific splits you use will depend on what category you're going to run

[sleek laurel]

thanks 👍

[short night]

<@&284848710960021504> I don't know if this is big or not, but I was just able to move freely during the dialogue with Hornet in the City of Tears

thought it would be better to mention than not

[true palm]

We appreciate the mention, this is known to be possible with some other glitches, or with getting hit during the interaction, such as coming from the right side

[frail igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mi83DBIgo i found this by accident, does this help somehow?

[mild idol]

how can i fix this cycle?

[frail igloo]

Like i assume if you have monarch wings, you already have crystal dash which basically saves the entire hassle of doing the entire skip but i thought it could be worth mentioning?

[weary root]

Console or pc?

[mild idol]

i fix it nvm

[wraith trellis]

It's already used in 112% apb (at least)

[sturdy glade]

yeah doing winged acn skip is in several categories

[frail igloo]

i see

asking because i wanna try to do a random speedrun which basically to see how fast i can defeat both versions of hornet

[sturdy glade]

idk if it's what you want but optimally that's dash claw shade skip city elevator go to lower ke and up to h2 with aspid pogo/damage tank

technically ibaldur but you can get vs and not much changes

[frail igloo]

Dont i need the fireball as well?

[steady lynx]

I'm personally a bigger fan of reverse Hornet order

[short sand]

How do i update to 1.5 cuse when i press version it only shows 1.4 and 1.2

Im on pc btw

[sturdy glade]

that's what my second message says

[thorn jasper]

opt out of the steam betas and let it update normally. the steam betas are for downpatching

it should say 1.5.78.11833 on the lower left of the main menu

[short sand]

Oh my days thank you

[rustic dome]

does anyone have any idea what keybinds lep uses when speedrunning

[sacred thunder]

If you want to ask what key binds to use for hk on keyboard you can, but that is pretty unrelated to what lep specifically uses

But I know that tons of people play with very different bindings (some even play with mice)
So you probably shouldn’t worry that much about what you use

[sturdy glade]

specific keybinds don't matter much, but there are some ground rules of things that will increase efficiency and ease of play and decrease injury chance

I can't find cc's message that goes over it but basically give the important things their own finger and make it so your resting hand position is comfortable

[rustic dome]

well i use controller atm but i was switch to keyboard and i dont have any keybinds

[sturdy glade]

well definitely don't ask for lep's binds cause he uses a hitbox

[rustic dome]

hitbox?

i have another question do i need obs to have livesplit and hollowknight on the same screen

[sturdy glade]

hitbox is a type of controller

it's a fighting game controller with a ton of buttons, lep built his own iirc

obs needs to export a single video with hk and livesplit

[rustic dome]

ohh

[sturdy glade]

which is fine cause obs can detect sources from other monitors so you just need a layout with both of them together set up in obs

[rustic dome]

i havent used obs before so could you explain

[sturdy glade]

what?

i'm saying you can't have two separate videos lol

[rustic dome]

oh

i misunderstood

[frail igloo]

how do i make auto spiltter immediatly start the timer as soon as i press the new game?

[thorn jasper]

it's only programmed to start when you enter king's pass, or on predefined split points. there is no predefined split point for new game

not sure why you would want to add time to your run unnecessarily. for pc runs, time starts when kp loads

by default it should be starting automatically when you load into king's pass

[frail igloo]

Ahhhhh

ok

so what is the start triggering autosplit?

do i turn it on or off?

[turbid patio]

Off

[frail igloo]

Wait how from resting grounds can you get to kingdom's edge? Like i assume you need to get there through king's station but how do i get from the resting grounds to king's station, dont you need to get to the elevator from resting ground to city of tears from below?

[sturdy glade]

no

[frail igloo]

Oh

guess its time to learn how to do shade skip

[spice rock]

I'm gonna do a speedrun! My first actual speedrun attempt!

yiipppppeeeeeeeeeeee

[tiny geyser]

What category ??

[spice rock]

Any percent

I’m streaming it live : D

[tiny geyser]

Wich channel ???. I dont see u

[spice rock]

biznesscrafter

[tiny geyser]

Okk

[frail igloo]

good luck

[static night]

Hi! I'm looking for a bit of help setting up speedrunning - I have downpatched to 1.2.2.1 and am trying to download a modding api for that version but cannot find any API to install

[mint mist]

https://youtu.be/AlfAHsPH4wg?si=NWvje0DYBiGtEWAR

this is the video i used, i found the mods in the speedrunning discord like he said