speedrunning

[upper dune]

Ah. Well, goes to show where i'm at

[solar zenith]

Ohw, thnx.

.

[weary root]

I mean there are plenty of other glitches that would make your runs faster

You can have all the charms equiped

[sturdy glade]

the build

[weary root]

You can be invuln

[sturdy glade]

noclip

[stable quarry]

Can't you also get invincability somehow?

[weary root]

noclip is probably slower

[solar zenith]

Ehh, that would be using mods tho

Shuu doesn't want that

[sturdy glade]

No

[weary root]

Nope ingame glitches

[solar zenith]

Ohww

[sturdy glade]

The game is jacked up

[solar zenith]

What's that

Shuu would love to just add shaman

& nmg

[stable quarry]

Underestemating the bugs in hk

[sturdy glade]

Ghmms or smth

[solar zenith]

What's the bug

[sturdy glade]

Oh wait that's not steel soul oops

[solar zenith]

Wht is it called

Adding shaman would be such a blessing

Flukes gonna destroy everything

[sturdy glade]

dupe monomon

[stable quarry]

You know a bug/ insect and basically also means glitch sometimes.

I have no idea how you equip the build tbh neiter how ypu gain invincability for p5

[solar zenith]

🐧

[solar zenith]

Nvm, invincibility boring anyway

Thnx

[solar zenith]

Thankyuu

[stable quarry]

Yeah I don't think P5AG would be a great category lol

[weary root]

https://youtu.be/sRXb7ZmMcIc?t=24m
This is how you get extra charms

1. Use map to store the enter pantheon menu
2. Sit at bench and enter pantheon with charm binding on
3. Die
4. When loading back in after dying if you press inventory at the right time you can put on extra charms

[stable quarry]

Is at the right time presice?

[weary root]

It's load dependant

Precise with fast loads iirc

[stable quarry]

Ofc it is

How many can you equip after?

Another 11 notches?

[weary root]

Yeah

Uhh hmm there's some thing where you can do more than that though

I forgor

[stable quarry]

Is this the only way to do it? I seem to remember it being more jank

[weary root]

No idea this is the only way I've seen

[analog pawn]

yeah there is a way to like unequip more notches than charms and put on more of them but it is weird

mindful does it in 112 AG I think

yeah when loading back in after the quitout he somehow unequips soul eater like 5 times lmao

which removes all the notches

you can also just repeat the charm binding thing from pantheons as many times as you want though

[weary root]

[stable quarry]

does that mean he gets 31 notches to equip charms on?

5x4+11

[agile light]

I wish I’d known there was a charm notch dupe glitch

[stable quarry]

That exists too but that's not exactly what we where talking about

[woven fiber]

im practicing skips for low%, does anyone have advice on the queens station fireball skip

[vagrant warren]

Use quick cast not focus cast. & socd or overbind if you're on keyboard. Beyond that just timing & practice

[woven fiber]

ight

im running on console, so its mostly just practice

[sturdy glade]

Is slopeball consistent on console

[steady lynx]

It's painful to admit, but slopeball to fungal is way more consistent and faster

[woven fiber]

i thought slopeball was a 1.2.2.1 thing

[sturdy glade]

Other way around

On only lp

[steady lynx]

Believe it or not, but slopeball has always been a thing, but in 1.3 Team Cherry changed something, and made it useable like it is now

[woven fiber]

huh

ill have to try that

one sec

[steady lynx]

It's still precise, but if you use the setup and get the right position it should be 5/6 success rate on 60fps

[gray ember]

you couldnt pogo your own spells in 1221

[steady lynx]

Me when I'm wrong

[woven fiber]

ok i need to make a new save for practicing lol

my practice save i was using had shade soul

[gray ember]

no you are right, you could get your fireball stuck to a wall before, but it just wasnt pogoable I think

[steady lynx]

I'll accept my apology now, thank you

[woven fiber]

i love that i can tell it probably took you only 2 tries because of the amount of soul

[sturdy glade]

I'm shrumping it

[gray ember]

I gladly apologise

[steady lynx]

Wait, I just had a stupid idea

[gray ember]

I was thinking too that shrogo is used for TE in 1221

[formal bough]

that's infinite soul

[steady lynx]

That's funny

Utterly useless, but funny

[turbid patio]

DOUBLE SHROGO

lets go

[woven fiber]

the funniest things are usually incredibly useless

[gray ember]

like, you could get float with it, but yeah, still not usable in runs

[sturdy glade]

LMFAO

[woven fiber]

right i forgot that existed

i wish i could be using that but . ps4 gaming

[formal bough]

the soul doesn't go down in the clip

[woven fiber]

is there any setup i can use or do i just feel it out

[woven fiber]

i may be stupid

[gray ember]

stand against the little wall under the entry (the first), hit it two times to get knocked back, turn around and jump the next frame (if you do it correctly, you will hear a different sound than usual, if you dont get it, do it again) and fireball when you are at the right height, pogo and hold left

its not my technique, i think its blair that found that consistent setup

[woven fiber]

different sound?

[gray ember]

the sound after jumping will be different than usual, it sounds like the steps of the knight while he is walking normally

and remember, if you dont get it, back up, save your soul and try again

[woven fiber]

im on console so ive just been running to the hot spring lol

[gray ember]

but that takes time so not optimal in speedruns, and the low% wr uses the queens station fireball skip

[steady lynx]

The console Low% record?

[gray ember]

by saying saving your soul, i meant do not fireball if you dont hear the sound cause you are unlikely to get it

[gray ember]

pc

if im not mistaken

[woven fiber]

fair enough

[steady lynx]

PC Low% 1432+ NMG rekky does slopeball

1221 doesn't since sloping balls before 1.3 doesn't give angles where they're pogoable

[woven fiber]

the ps4 record uses stallball

[gray ember]

yea youre right i was thinking about the 1221 low%

[steady lynx]

That'd be tigrin

[woven fiber]

yep

[steady lynx]

Back when I ran it we hadn't found slopeball yet

[woven fiber]

fair enough

[gray ember]

and remember to turn on vsync to get it consistently, unless on console you are at 60 fps anyway

[woven fiber]

ok i got the stall but i missed the pogo lol

[gray ember]

though I prefer gliched runs, thats funnier, im happy to see you, saw some of your speedruns, Gusten, they made me want to go more into gliched stuff

[gray ember]

try pogoing anyway in case the fireball actually gets stuck, dont wait for it to be sure

[woven fiber]

i did, my joystick was just at too shallow of an angle so i leftslashed

[gray ember]

I prefer using the dpad, the stick is not actually necessary for that game, even if i prefer to use a keyboard

its like in celeste

[woven fiber]

fair enough, ill try dpad

ok i officially got the glitch fully once

[gray ember]

nice!

then you need to learn dashless movement to mantis claw (its very annoying, like dashless cdash)

[woven fiber]

im gonna stick to trying stallball til i can get it semi-consistent

3 in a row or smth

god damnit

ok so

i got the 3 in a row for the stallball itself

i missed all of the pogos

[steady lynx]

Doing better than most people trying it for the first time

[woven fiber]

thx

i got another successful one

ive been using the setup from tigrins run

of just doing a full jump just as the knight sticks out of the other side of the lightpost when running into the room

[steady lynx]

As I said before there's always the 1/6 chance at 60fps you have the perfect lineup and it just doesn't work, since the game is jank

[woven fiber]

and another

[woven fiber]

fair enough, the 50fps physics frames are inconvenient sometimes

[gray ember]

with the setup i talked about, there are 2 physics frames possible, so it might get rid of the randomness

[woven fiber]

my game just crashed entering the aspid arena lol

[gray ember]

but you are allowed to use another program to make your fps go down to 50

[woven fiber]

ok is it possible to send a vid of doing it with that setup? i havent been able to get it to work

[gray ember]

im not home so i cant record rn but i will try to find the video

[woven fiber]

alright, thank you

[gray ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf02ELelYwI

the further information is in the description

[woven fiber]

alright, ill try this setup for a bit

thanks again lol

[woven fiber]

ok when i do it right its not bad, but its really hard for me to get the turnaround for some reason

[night zinc]

im kinda curious if someone speedrun on keyboard, would there be a recommended keybind or any recommended placement like dash should be close to nail slash or something

[sturdy glade]

not reallt

just make sure you give the important things their own finger

Namely like left, right, jump, nail, quick cast and dash

[night zinc]

hm

[spring flicker]

Are there any routes for people who need more gear but still wanna speedrun

All the youtube guides are just on the achievement and i don't care about a dumb achievement i just wanna get better at speedrunning

[woven fiber]

speedrun.com has a guides tab

[spring flicker]

Kk ty

They're all sppedrun guides for good people

I want an easier route that isn't too easy

A middle ground

Something that picks up dive, masks, or nail upgrades

[steady lynx]

So like, the fireb0rn achievement guide?

[spring flicker]

I feel like i already saw that and it was either too easy or too hard

[steady lynx]

I'd wager too easy

[woven fiber]

yeah, run the easy ones and work in some harder tricks over time

[spring flicker]

But changing the easier ones is harder than the hard ones imo

I don't wanna get ismas?

Why the recommendation ismas

[steady lynx]

Isma's is hardly ever needed

[spring flicker]

Just get gud and queens acid skip

[steady lynx]

It's optimal for any% 1432+ NMG but that route is absolutely never beginner friendly

QGA isn't required, one can go Deepnest route

[spring flicker]

Oh yeah I also hate myself

So no lantern

[woven fiber]

god that reminds me that i have to do dark deepnest for low%

agh

anyways

[spring flicker]

Took me ages to learn just the crystal peaks dark room💀

[static umbra]

u have quite a bit more than one dark room if u wanna skip out on lantern and go for deepnest route

[woven fiber]

beginner guides usually recommend stuff like that, if not only to avoid bombarding new runners with stuff like qga or dark deepnest alongside other tricks

ik

[spring flicker]

I think i do want dive tho

And 1-2 nail upgrades

I just always get cooked by you know who

Those gremlins

[steady lynx]

Jennifer?

[spring flicker]

Huh?

[steady lynx]

The most dangerous enemy in the game

Jennifer

[spring flicker]

No

Watcher knights

[woven fiber]

never could get past Jennifer...

[steady lynx]

For those not familiar with the lore, Jennifer is the Leaping Husk outside the room with Gruzmom in Crossorads

[spring flicker]

Lol

Doesn't the squib that let's you do bad hornet fireball skip have a name?

Eric?

[steady lynx]

Yeah

Another named enemy is the Vengefly in KP you pogo, it's named Jinkie

[spring flicker]

Lol

[steady lynx]

The one above it is his brother and named Jankie

[spring flicker]

Do watcher knights still make sense to fight first if I'm getting dive?

[steady lynx]

Both of them have been called many profanities

[spring flicker]

Outa the dreamers?

[steady lynx]

Do you get DDark as well?

[spring flicker]

Prob not

Where is it again?

[steady lynx]

Then you might as well fight WK on the way from Sanctum to King's

And then stag to Crossroads, Dive entrance to cpeak, cdash, stag back to Dirtmouth, head to Fog Canyon for Monomon and then from there to Herrah

Geo should barely be an issue as long as you afford the stags

At least after nail upgrades

[spring flicker]

Oh yeah I'm getting ddark

[steady lynx]

Then you might want to delay WK until after that

[spring flicker]

Considering how I struggle with watchers I kinda have to for how close it is

[steady lynx]

I kinda have a bad sense for what's difficult in this game anymore

[spring flicker]

Watchers scarey

Even with all that

I'll prob need to route in a couple extra masks

Masks>lantern

[woven fiber]

maybe route in lifeblood heart from salubra for hp if you dont heal much in wk

depends how you do that fight tho

itd be quicker than mask shards for sure tho

[steady lynx]

It'd be hard to have geo for all that

[spring flicker]

True

[steady lynx]

At least fast

[spring flicker]

I think my old route had lots of geo

I was buying a ton from sly

[woven fiber]

right i always forget heart isnt the cheapest

[steady lynx]

Idk, geo issues are a thing of the past for me

[spring flicker]

How much?

[sturdy glade]

Dupe ghusk for geo imo

With flukes preferably

[spring flicker]

I don't wanna do glitches

How much is heart?

[woven fiber]

250

[spring flicker]

Thats nothing

I routed in so much geo for my other runs to get mask shards

I can prob still get 1 mask and heart

And 2 nail upgrades since I'm passing thru

[woven fiber]

ok im starting to consider doing any% NMG because this is miserable

ive been doing stallball for three and a half hours

[static umbra]

where r u gonna get the pale ore from?

[spring flicker]

So once I get claw I go to city thru crest entrance, get 2 nail upgrades, then fight soul master

[spring flicker]

Idk

I routed one in lemme check

[copper cosmos]

Oi

[spring flicker]

300 essence could work

If I do shade skip to get to city thru resting grounds

Failed champion???

Or mawleks?

[static umbra]

failed champion is rather difficult with the kind of gear u would have for the fight

[spring flicker]

I swear there's one ore that's easy to get

[static umbra]

all of them are rather out of the way

[spring flicker]

True

But it would make watcher knights more possible

[steel willow]

do you know what your framerates at i’ve heard that can affect it

[static umbra]

if u get ddark, watcher knights becomes relatively easy

it just takes like 3 ddarks to kill them

assuming u get shaman stone

[spring flicker]

But a nail upgrade...

I guess I'll try without first

[woven fiber]

im on console, so its locked at 60

im just bad

[spring flicker]

So how do I enter city?

Crest, right?

[steel willow]

ah okay yeah if you haven’t gotten in in 3 and a half hours maybe you should go try smth else
(i am also a console player lol)

[woven fiber]

i have got it several times, but i havent been remotely consistent

[static umbra]

blue lake shade skip is the normal speedrun way of getting right side city access. tho ig if u gonna grab ddark anyways u might as well enter right side city through crypts instead.

but maybe entering with crest first is fine since u need to grab dive

[spring flicker]

So crest then skip?

Shade skip?

Or do I just ignore crest?

[static umbra]

i think since u r gonna go grab dive u can get there with crest, then since u r gonna go through crystal peaks and get ddark anyways u might as well not do the shade skip but instead enter right side city through crypts instead

[spring flicker]

Oh yeah right

So i fight watchers after ddark and 1 nail upgrade

I think i can get maybe 2 masks

1 easy one in crossroads, 1 from bretta?

So 2 more

1 from sly and 1 from 5 grubs?

That 1 whole mask

Those are the only easy ones not outside of my route

So all I need to buy is 1 nail upgrade and shaman stone

And a mask shard

So 520 geo?

[static umbra]

ull also need geo for stags

and i wouldnt recommend skipping out on lantern since ull have to learn some dark rooms in deepnest (or ig learn qga)

[spring flicker]

Qga is my plan

[static umbra]

ah i see

i think theres still at least one dark room u need to learn tho

[vagrant warren]

Qga route still has 3 dark rooms yeah

[spring flicker]

Yeah dark rooms arnt too hard

Just memorization

Is there any way to get 2 masks?

Or is that stretching it?

[static umbra]

i dont think u can easily get that second mask without some big detours or a lot more geo

[spring flicker]

Yeah

Which 5 grubs do I save?

[static umbra]

im pretty sure theres 5 grubs in forgotten crossroads that are pretty easy to get

[spring flicker]

Ok

[static umbra]

one guarded by the husk guard, one that u need to pogo on spikes to get to, one that is behind a breakable wall near stag, one that u can use dash or pogo on a vengefly to get to, and one that is near the fog canyon entrance

[spring flicker]

Theres one beside the hornet room, is that one easy?

[static umbra]

yea u can get that one if u feel like to, that one is just guarded by a moss knight

[spring flicker]

More geo

[woven fiber]

yea im doing any% because i just remembered i have hk on steam

[spring flicker]

K i made it to city

Very slowly

I'll have more than enough geo

Might even have enough for lantern

Deff will if I go to lemm

[sturdy glade]

Shouldn't the apostrophe be after lil and not before

[spring flicker]

U got a map of how to exit soul master? It always trips me up

[static umbra]

U just dive on the shaky ground / glass floor

Just walk around and ull find them

[spring flicker]

Map would still be nice

[static umbra]

R u still stuck??

[spring flicker]

No

But I know ima forget layer and lose time

[vagrant warren]

Just look on like hallownest.org or something,

[spring flicker]

Also a map of soul sanctum so I know how to run tf away from the gooblies

Hate those guys

What are the benefits of lantern?

If I'm also getting dive

[vagrant warren]

In normal any% mostly entering peak without dive. Other than that it's not required for anything in the game except no eyes

[spring flicker]

What about no gba skip or dark rooms?

[static umbra]

Qga?

[spring flicker]

Yeah

[vagrant warren]

Yiu said above dark rooms aren't too hard

[spring flicker]

I feel like ima get enough geo for it without trying

Plus i stag back to dirt mouth and have sly

Wait could I get a the lifeblood thing from charm lady?

[vagrant warren]

If you want it, get it. But if you're trying to go semi-fast skip it, and the extra geo

[spring flicker]

I could

I have like 500 spare geo after city and I didn't leave route for any of it

I have no places I go for geo

Idk why I have do much

Maybe I shade skip to resting grounds to get the stag, then get enough stuff so I can have charm lady lifeblood thing and shaman stone

Both at the same time

How many charms to buy a charm notch?

Cause if I get the mushroom one (which I do) I can have a decent build for watchers

Maybe even win in under 20 attempts

What do u think?

[static umbra]

I mean watchers wont be that hard if u have shaman stone and ddark

[spring flicker]

Shush

I'm bad

Oh would soul catcher be better than more lifeblood masks?

[static umbra]

Yea, allows for more ddarks

Spell twister even better for spell spamming but soul catcher is good if u find urself healing often

Idk if u went and got twister tho

[spring flicker]

How many notes for twister?

[static umbra]

2

[spring flicker]

Oh

[static umbra]

Same as soul catcher

[spring flicker]

How do you get it? In soul sanctum?

[static umbra]

Yea it was on the way to soul master

[spring flicker]

Nice I'll take that

How many charms to buy a notch?

[static umbra]

5

[spring flicker]

Ok so shaman, sans, twister, soul catcher, and, gathering swarm

Swarm cause it's cheap and I already am buying stuff from sly

[hidden sundial]

Steady Body is cheaper than Swarm and you get it on Salubra

[spring flicker]

Ok ill get that then

Ty

[woven fiber]

i got all my downpatching and livesplit stuff done

almost time to start learning the route

[woven fiber]

plus its a good charm in general

[stable quarry]

@spring flicker your route seems more and more like this route with extra masks https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[subtle rivet]

fuck all dream related radiant fightws

[static umbra]

... r u trying to speedrun them?

[subtle rivet]

nah js get them radiant

marmu specifically

and markoth ofc

[static umbra]

then why is this in #speedrunning lol

[subtle rivet]

oh shoot

mb thought this was discussion

[pearl socket]

what is the best version for speedrunning hk

[steady lynx]

Depends on category

For NMG 1221 is generally fastest, but it runs poorly on some PC's

[pearl socket]

any idea how to switch versions? ive never done it

[steady lynx]

Are you on steam?

[pearl socket]

yes

[steady lynx]

?tag 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord: https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)
• Resources Repo

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[steady lynx]

That's not right

?tag steambetas

[river axle]

Verify that you are using the correct installer and patch!

• For normal modding you should use a current patch installer (such as Lumafly or Scarab) and you must have Steam Betas set to "None"
  • Pirated copies / Unofficial ports are not supported
• Modding on 1.4.3.2 using "Mod Installer" / "Mod Installer 2" is no longer supported.
• 1.2.2.1 Modding does not have an installer.
  • You can type ?tag 1221 for info on it.

How to check your Steam Beta options:

[pearl socket]

ah

thanks

[steady lynx]

You just edit the steam beta to 1221, beware, it will remove all potential mods you have installed for LP

[pearl socket]

probably wont be too much of an issue

[steady lynx]

Save files are unaffected, but you shouldn't open saves from later versions on 1221 to be safe

[pearl socket]

alright

thank you

[narrow belfry]

@steady lynx

[solar zenith]

Dunno if it's the correct channel

But

Are there any rules for R5?

as per the community

[steady lynx]

What?

[narrow belfry]

I did a speedrun in 1h 15min, do you think its good?

[solar zenith]

Yeah

[steady lynx]

Yeah, sure

[turbid patio]

dont get hit

some lists allow damage tanking to get fury but thats pk

[solar zenith]

Suree

[turbid patio]

cosmetics + pantheon hit counter is allowed, as is qol

[solar zenith]

cosmetics?

[turbid patio]

customknight

hue changer

etc

[solar zenith]

Ohh

Kkk

Thnx

[median wasp]

World's worst beast den, but I got top 300!

[stable quarry]

So close to my pb bop incomming

[woven fiber]

is there an any% route thats good for beginners or am i best off just following bulletpoints i make by watching a run

preferably in text and not video, video guides are long as hell

[gray ember]

instead of doing QGA which can be hard to pull out consistently there is a route that I think loses about 20 seconds that drops in deepnest through fungal wastes near the Moss Prophet to get to Herrah.

[molten tiger]

I remember watching a TAS of hollow knight that managed to pull a 0-cycle Uumuu by smuggling an Ooma core into the fight with precise movements that juggled its orbit in a way that avoided wall collisions. Has this tactic ever been stress tested in an attempt to find a movement pattern that consistently works, or are the movement tolerances always too low for it to be considered viable for humans to do?

[gray ember]

and don't do iBaldur

[vagrant warren]

it is 100% not human viable

[gray ember]

not viable becauses it uses some almost frame-perfect wall cling storage wiggling movement and then extremely clean movement with stuff like nail knockbacks to keep the uoma core not exploding for three whole attacks from Umuu

not even doable for IL runs

[molten tiger]

Oh, my memory must be faulty. I thought the core allows the player to skip the three Uumuu attacks.

[gray ember]

no, its only for umuu in pantheons with godmaster dlc, while optimal patch, 1221, does not have that mechanic, i dont even know if that would allow to skip the attacks on current patch, but doesnt matter because you can't get that wcs movement in current patch

[woven fiber]

ight

[gray ember]

you can pick up spore shroom as you pass near it, it actually deals a lot of damage to THK in 1221 when used well, I think its optimal for this route

[verbal stag]

1432, not 1221

[gray ember]

isnt his hitbox split in two parts in 1221 too?

[median wasp]

I’m not sure if he had 2 hitboxes on 1221, but I know the sporeshroom damage isn’t broken on 1221

[weary root]

It works on all patches on overworld uumuu.
But it's TAS only because the cores move way too fast and erratically.
This is how close a human has come to doing it. And you still need to bring the core down into the arena, and not have it run into any of the platforms or walls, while waiting out 3 uumuu attacks, and it's rng which attack uumuu chooses so then your lure of the core changes based on how you have to avoid attacks.

ie. not human viable

[lofty flare]

None of those things are necessary

[lofty flare]

Oh and this is with wings and ismas

Most routes either have one or the other by this point

[weary root]

any% lp has both wings and isma's at uumuu

any% 1221 has neither

[lofty flare]

Oh I forgot that mag ismas uses wings

[sinful herald]

can’t make it official bc i don’t know how to link the video clip but this is cool for me

any% ps5 glitchless

[weary root]

If you did want to submit a run, an easy way to get video for it is to stream to twitch and make a highlight of the run. Unfortunately we don't accept twitch highlights anymore, so you'd have to export the highlight to youtube, but that's not too difficult.

Not sure how easy it is to stream straight to youtube from console? But if that's doable it would be a lot easier

[stable quarry]

I'd reccomend shadesoul route
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides/p2d5f

You could also just go straight on vs barebones route main difference would be harder bosses.

I don't reccomend doing ibaldur or ismas route untill you are more experienced.

[gray ember]

the wcs is necessary in the 1221 no ismas movement

[keen pivot]

I just stared off speed running and I’m trying to get sub 2 hours. Does anyone have any tips to beat the watcher nights or any reroutes to make it easier to beat?

I can get there eaisally following the sub hour guide with shade skip and allat

But I took an hour on watcher and I still haven’t beat it

I beat it in godhome assended and attuned with no charms, double jump, shade cloak, and only fireball, but I can’t seem to do it in a speed run.

I also got the first nail upgrade but that didn’t help much

[static umbra]

u can try the shade soul route which was posted literally like 2 msgs above u

if thats also too difficult then u could go for ddark ig

that starts to converge towards firborns 5 hour speedrun achievement guide tho

[keen pivot]

I will try but I don’t rly think extra powers would help much, I need like some extra charms or the 3rd nail upgrade etc

[static umbra]

wdym? they help a ton, shade soul literally doubles the damage compared to vengeful spirit and ddark even more so

[keen pivot]

I guess

[keen pivot]

I’ll take a look at that Ty

[lofty flare]

False.

It is TECHNICALLY doable using a core boost to uumuu

[vernal shell]

What’s the strat for nkg?

[gray ember]

you are right, even if controlling 2 cores without wcs might be harder than controlling one with it

[gray ember]

in a pantheon speedrun, or something else?

[stable quarry]

If you wanna go somewhat fast you eiter need to use fury or spells as nail uppgrades are very expensive and the pale ore are very out of the way.

Nail 1 and nail 2 are somewhat easy to get. Nail one being a 1 minnute detour and nail 2 being likely comparable to getting shadesoul.

Idk if anyone has timed nail 2.

[exotic cave]

is it ok if my modding api is on but no mods are loaded on my rec for a speedrun ?

[formal bough]

no

[keen pivot]

Ty I got c-dash and beat knights in 1:20 mins so far

It was much easier

[exotic cave]

I use scarab for modding api and I can't desactivate it when I click on desactivate and then I run hk the api is there

[wraith trellis]

Assuming your game is from steam you can verify its integrity to get rid of the api

?tag verify

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910762350267744276/1201992451418759179/hk_verify_integrity_2.png

[wraith trellis]

Also, Lumafly is recommended over Scarab now and doesn't have that issue

?tag lumafly

[river axle]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

[exotic cave]

o ok thank u so much I will do this

thanks

[spring flicker]

Yeah it is slowly turning into that but no tear

[stable quarry]

It picks up ismas tear?

Oh it does, I didn't remember that

Tbh I might do some runs of that route just to compare to my first ever run I did that barely got the 5 hour achivement

[spring flicker]

I don't care for the achievement

I just wanna improve my runs

[sturdy glade]

then get debug and savestates and practice

[spring flicker]

I'm on switxh

[stable quarry]

Then get the spire bench fight wk force quit the game repeat

[sturdy glade]

can you elevator storage on 1433

[spring flicker]

Is there a map of the crystal peaks route?

[stable quarry]

It's slower than savestates but better than doing another run for another attempt

[stable quarry]

Yes

[spring flicker]

Preferably getting ddark

[sturdy glade]

found a solution to wk

[stable quarry]

You can skip wk with claw vs and elevator storage on switch

[spring flicker]

Or is could just die and try again right?

[stable quarry]

Yeah the force quit is only if you win

[spring flicker]

I wanna do glitchless

[stable quarry]

Tbh switch any% ag is wack anyways

[spring flicker]

After I do peaks I'll get spell twister and shaman stone for wk

[stable quarry]

@spring flicker I would reccomend trying this route if you really want to improve your times and don't want to jump straight on a hard route.

It's gonna be harder than basically the 5hour guide route but it's still has a good amount of firepower to help with bosses

[spring flicker]

Does it get dive?

[stable quarry]

No

It get's lantern

And shadesoul

[spring flicker]

I like dive

[stable quarry]

Fair

[spring flicker]

My goal is to complete a run

Cause I'm always changing the difficulty of my ruote

But never finish it

[stable quarry]

I wonder if I could sub hour the fireborn 5 hour achivement route

[spring flicker]

I do wk after resting grounds so I'll find out if ddark, shaman, 1 mask, 1 nail upgrade, and twister is enough

If it isnt I'm cooked

[stable quarry]

You should make route notes imo that way you can plan your geo

[spring flicker]

Yeah

I gotta figure out if I can beat wk first tho

[stable quarry]

As I stated earlier switch any% AG is wack https://pastebin.com/CjNbn1UK

[stable quarry]

Gl, I think the extra mask shard and nail uppgrade won't make a big difference but I might be wrong.

[spring flicker]

True

I'll see

Routing out both would be pretty big

massive one could say

[analog fiber]

My first speedrun try and 2nd file

I got stuck with watcher knights and vessel 😔

[spring flicker]

Wk is always the part people get stuck on

[analog fiber]

Ye

I Lost like 1h 30m from lurien to monomon

[spring flicker]

I just need to abuse ddark

[stable quarry]

I was stick on THK for 2 hours my first run

[spring flicker]

Ima try crystal peaks then wk

[hidden sundial]

Last time I went for it I did 1:21. I feel like sub hour is completely doable but hard.

[keen pivot]

I’m stuck on the hollow knight pls someone help

I took shade soul route

Please this boss is impossible with nothing

[vagrant warren]

it's literally possible with nothing, and shade soul is considerably more than that. Try to go for double hit with the fireball, don't get hit, if you do get hit heal (no it's not optimal for a speedrun but neither isdying). If you want more specific tips you'd need to post like a clip of your fight for people to give feedback on.

[spring flicker]

Omfg

I beat wk!

I can do this

Pog

Now do I do uummuu?

[keen pivot]

I finally did too

But hk is even harder

[spring flicker]

Imo hk is easier

[turbid patio]

on 1221 thk is easier imho

on lp idk

[median wasp]

With watchers backroll I think watchers are still harder on lp.

But of course that depends on the person

[spring flicker]

What is my route to herah if I have lantern?

I don't wanna qga

[hidden sundial]

Go through the breakable wall after Spore Shroom and get into deepnest from there

[turbid patio]

red is dark gg

[steel willow]

yeah personally i find thk way harder than wk lol (i play switch)

[keen pivot]

Well bye bye sub 2 hours thk killed it 😭

First run also

[stable quarry]

https://youtu.be/Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

[upper dune]

Hallo. Can I have some help with geo? I'm tryna do speedrunner 2 achievement and steelsoul at the same time. Currently, i just got dive 1hr in. I only sold 4 hallownest seals + 1 i just got from soul sanctum which i have not sold. I just bought lantern and i only have 33 geo...

From here on out, i think my next payments are king's station, distant village stag, and i also wanna get as much charm notches as possible

Uhhhhh i mean, it's just if anyone has tips. Also, oh hi achow

[static umbra]

after watchers will have a nice amount of geo so u could consider that, but if u need geo immediately im not entirely sure

[upper dune]

If you may be wondering, yes, I died on my first attempt. Embarassingly, to uumuu

[upper dune]

So i should just enter thriugh dive entrance for peaks, huh?

Do you get geo from crystal guardian?

Or is colo 1 (primarily for notch, heh...) advised?

[static umbra]

yea but i dont think u really need to do that, like okay kings station and dv stag cost 550 in total which the geo from watchers will cover, and for charm notches u can just go on a bit of a hunt for relics, like the one in dirtmouth well is an easy one to pick up

[upper dune]

There's a relic in dirthmouth?!

Like, in king's pass or dirthmouth dirthmouth?

[static umbra]

the well

to the right of dirtmouth

where u fall into crossroads

u can climb up the well to easily get a relic

[upper dune]

Oh right. Forgot about that

[stiff lava]

is there a route for steel soul 100% completion

i wanna do it but idk what items i should get and what not to

[sturdy glade]

Skip Colo 3, elegy, pantheons, and like nail 4

Other than that it doesn't matter too too much

[stiff lava]

yea but is there an order in what i should get

[thorn jasper]

I think https://pastebin.com/dcNJnwbX doesn't have any shade skips. https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=100-completion if you want the splits

[stiff lava]

alright thanks

[thorn jasper]

can't speak to how hard this route might be, as it was designed for speed rather than a casual audience

[stiff lava]

id say im pretty good at the game

do i have to put the file from the hksplitmaker into some other file

or no

[median wasp]

You should be able to open the file from hksitmaker directly in livesplit

[spring flicker]

How do I figure out how much geo ima get for my route? I always feel like I end up with more than I calculate

[steady lynx]

Just wing it, if you get too much, just get less next time, if you get too little, just get more next time

[stable quarry]

What geosourses do you get?

[spring flicker]

2 hallownest seals soul warrior, master and everything else in any%

[steel willow]

what is your route ?
but i mean you’re always gonna end up with more than you plan because you’re gonna kill some enemies unless you’re like specifically avoiding them

[spring flicker]

I'm going fireborns guide but without ismas

And less charms

Maybe not nail upgrade

[steel willow]

okay i gotta go check out that guide then lol

[spring flicker]

I altered the final wastes route too

Fungal

I realized the route i made was basically the same with more stuff so I decided to cut all the stuff out

[still lodge]

i did it! thanks for your kind words Gusten. you appeared twice in my run!

[lone elm]

https://tenor.com/view/snorbbler-dugong-infested-server-gif-3376149696713761866

[bleak spruce]

Hey, how can I link up LiveSplit to hollow knight?

I right clicked on the timer, pressed edit splits and searched up Hollow Knight

I managed to downlaod the splits from the pinned message but the timer isnt starting when I start my game

Oh I didnt activate it lol

works now

B)

[bleak spruce]

My first ever speedrun

Got to hollow knight by 1:10

But I couldnt beat him and ragequit lol

[median wasp]

That’s thk alright

But getting to thk in 1:10 is good for a first run!

[bleak spruce]

Thanks! :)

I litteraly had a tutorial opened on my second monitor bc I didnt memorize the whole path lmao

What mod can I use to practice different skips?

or do u just practice them in the base game?

bc it seems like a lot of work to go back for soul every time for example

[median wasp]

With debug mod you can use save states

In the pinned server, in the recourses channel, you can find debug and save state packs

What patch are you running?

[bleak spruce]

The newest one, im aware that I should be using the 1.2.2.1 patch bc it allows for the queens garden skip and the lever through floor skip

I just couldnt bother to prep it, I just wanted to do a run for fun lol

But for my next runs I probably should download the older patch

[bleak spruce]

Thanks, I think I had that downloaded once when I was playing around, is it the one that allows u to teleport too benches for example?

[vagrant warren]

You can do qga on latest patch, but 1221 is just a preference, it's not better even if it is slightly faster

And it runs very poorly for lots of people

[median wasp]

That mod is benchwarp, that one’s also very nice for practice

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

Here’s the lp mod launcher with debug and benchwarp.

Make sure you hit launch vanilla before you do actual runs though

[bleak spruce]

Thanks!

[median wasp]

Of course!

[unborn girder]

does anyone have a speedrun guide thats up to date? or is the one on speedrun.com still good

[vagrant warren]

You can get guides on hksplitmaker or from the pinned server

[unborn girder]

alr cool thanks

[spring flicker]

Any extra geo sources for lantern? I'm doing fireborns speedrun guide but without the extra charm notch or fungal wastes seal

[sturdy glade]

You're in the sr server dawg ask there

[mossy brook]

Forbid someone uses this channel for speedrunning-help

[spring flicker]

Such a lovely community

[hidden sundial]

Did you get the well relic?

[mossy sable]

hating for the love of the game

[sturdy glade]

absolutely

[mossy sable]

i fw it

[hidden sundial]

Also the greenpath journal below hornet isn't too awful to get for 200 geo

[sturdy glade]

But fwiw it's genuinely better to ask there because there are a lot more people there

[spring flicker]

When should I get it? I get claw then climb up and go thru crest entrance

[hidden sundial]

Hmm do you go near some stag before you sell?

[vagrant warren]

Why not just get the seal you're skipping from the guide?

[warm yoke]

1 hour without taking damage is a good amount of time? (without taking damage)

[vagrant warren]

Depends what you were doing for that hour

[warm yoke]

Is it good to finish the game in 1 hour without taking damage? (only with a fragile strength amulet)

[warm yoke]

[hidden sundial]

Tbf any no-hit game finishing is good

[spring flicker]

I could sell 2 after soul master, go to well, do peaks, resting, then wk, then sell the well one after wk

[hidden sundial]

If you do WK, that on its own has 1k+ geo

[stable quarry]

655 and a seal is indeed 1105 geo

[spring flicker]

I might have enough without the well seal

Any tips for soul sanctum? I always forget the route to master and end up running in circles, constantly get hit, then die and rage quit cause I didn't buy the bench

Don't say skip sanctum

[vagrant warren]

Where are you getting lost? There is basically just one path thru

[spring flicker]

I get lost in the rooms where the flying soul guys spawn

[vagrant warren]

They spawn in multiple rooms. The initial gauntlet, Norman's room, the tall room, and Hell room

[mossy brook]

Who's norman

[vagrant warren]

Norman is the first soul warrior

[vagrant warren]

if you're on 1221 you can take the orange route shortcut with a lever skip

[spring flicker]

Is that current?

[sturdy glade]

?

1221 is not current patch

[spring flicker]

Ok ty

[sturdy glade]

Fwiw generally 1432 to 1.5 is labelled latest patch or LP and all other patches are listed by their number

[spring flicker]

Do u have one for after beating soul master?

[vagrant warren]

you can look at the map yourself & make one if needed: https://www.hallownest.net/

Also ping isn't needed, thanks

[spring flicker]

Mb

Tysm

[spring flicker]

How far into the run (as a fraction) are wk if I'm doing a normal any% but with sanctum and ddark?

[sturdy glade]

Well considering I don't think anyone has run ddark route at a high level it's hard to tell

In theory you should just have to do monomon herrah and thk

[spring flicker]

So halfway? 2/5¿

3/5?

[sturdy glade]

Considering what I've heard of your route probably 3/4 if you can do fca well

[spring flicker]

Fca?

Waszat?

Oh

My big brain figured it out

The skip seems pretty easy

I didn't know it was there my first time and only died once (the orange bloopers did more dmg than the acid)😭

[trail raptor]

gonna speedrun PoP but whats the mod i need to set the save states so i can like, you know, not have to make a new save every time

[stable quarry]

Minisavestates or something you can find it on src or in the pinned server

[trail raptor]

it in lumafly?

[hidden sundial]

I'd say this is about right for that route

[vagrant warren]

No - it's a modified assembly that is stand-alone & not compatible with other mods

[keen pivot]

Yooooo

Sub 3 hour

1h+ was on wk and hk lmao

[spring flicker]

W

What route did u do?

[keen pivot]

Shade soul

[spring flicker]

Ah

[turbid patio]

welp you knowwhere to practice then lol

[keen pivot]

Ye lol

It was my first run so not bad ig

[spring flicker]

Bosses are prob the easiest thing to practice

[keen pivot]

Yeah

Idk if I will keep running, only cuz of hk

I find it so inconsistent with only 5 health and shade soul

[spring flicker]

Who is harder? Hk or wk? I keep getting different answers?

[vagrant warren]

that's because it's subjective & different people have different opinions. Also depends on patch, as THK is universally considered harder on LP (compared to THK on 1221, not compared to watchers I mean)

[spring flicker]

Guess I should practice him

I will have ddark at least

Is shade soul faster? It's a weaker spell so I assume so but don't you still need to go sanctum?

[vagrant warren]

You don't really have to go into Sanctum, just thru the E Key door. And with double hits shade soul is nearly as strong as Ddark

[sturdy glade]

Ddark is only better because of comfy iframes, shade soul has better range and DPS if used correctly

[keen pivot]

Hk imo

[keen pivot]

I get shade soul it’s faster and better imo

[hidden sundial]

DDark is devastating with WK, you can get double hits on both of them very easily

That said, the fact you have to do sanctum immediately makes it slower

But yeah, practicing with Shade Soul is probably a better practice if you ever want to try out more standard routes as it's the same as fighting with VS except you deal a ton more of damage

[spring flicker]

I'm just trying to get like 1:30 or smth

[steel willow]

definitely possible with practice
i mean idk if possible with your route (cause idk how long all the extra stuff you get takes) but people can go fast so i’ll assume definitely possible

[spring flicker]

I think is pretty possible

I'm doing ddark

But I think I can get a sub 40 min wk and the rest is easy

[hidden sundial]

Yeah I recall getting a bit over 1:20 with that route when I wasn't confident enough to do the common ones. Likely possible to do sub hour if played well but at that level it's likely better to just do more optimal routes

[spring flicker]

Yeah 1:20 is my goal and it seems pretty easy

I just gotta not mess up bigly

[steel willow]

ah ok cool i think i use like a normal lp route or smth similar

[spring flicker]

Then ima learn vs route

It's be pure pain

But it's really just hk and wk being harder

[steel willow]

yeah that’s really it
and bosses (especially those two) are pretty easy to practice without mods if you don’t have access

good luck

[spring flicker]

I'm just now gonna learn uummuu and thk

But I have ddark so easy?

Bruh wtf lemm moves?

[steel willow]

yeah when you beat watchers i’m pretty sure
or maybe it’s a dreamer (probably dreamer?)
one of the two i’m not exactly sure which one

he moves to the fountain and you gotta go talk to him to make him go back to his shop

[spring flicker]

Oh ok

I guess that's fine

Uummuu fight is so lame

It takes so long

[steel willow]

uumuu does suck i do agree with that

[lofty flare]

In overworld yeah

Cuz quirrel sucks

[spring flicker]

Overworld💀

[spring flicker]

He's so useless

[odd dawn]

yo does anyone know why livesplit won't stay on top of Hollow Knight when fullscreen in 1.2.2.1? Was working fine on latest patch...

[hidden sundial]

Yeah obtaining a Dreamer moves Lemm to the fountain

[heavy topaz]

You need to get it to borderless

[verbal spoke]

Where do I start for learning to speedrun?

[median wasp]

It depends on what you want to run

And what patch

[verbal spoke]

Current patch

[verbal spoke]

And probably just any%

[median wasp]

Any% 1.4.3.2+ NMG

Isma's Tear Route

While the optimal route, this route features an unforgiving set of skips to acquire Isma's Tear. Not recommended for beginners.

• https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-isma

Crystal Heart Route

This route more closely mirrors the 1.2.2.1 Vengeful Spirit route and is the most popular.

• Klapudo tutorial
• https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus

Other Routes

• Spore Shroom, requires 1.4.3.2 for broken THK damage. https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-spore
• Shade Soul, sacrificing time for boss fight comfort. https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-shade-soul

[verbal spoke]

Thank you!

[fast carbon]

i want to upload speedruns to speedrun.com, but im not sure about some of the rules for game settings. My computer isnt great so i use 720p resolution, and my fps drops a bit sometimes when collecting vengeful spirit. is this fine or will my runs be rejected? thx in advance :)

[vagrant warren]

As long as patch number is clearly visible and the gameplay is generally watchable it should probably be fine. If you want a more definite a sweet upload a snippet of gameplay showing how bad it gets

[fast carbon]

ok thx

my goal is top 1000 in any% no glitches, should be pretty easy as there are only 921 submissions lol

[mint mist]

top 1000 hollow knight player GUARANTEED???

[sturdy glade]

actually you'll be one of the best players probably top 50 no glitches

[turbid patio]

true

[steel willow]

top 1
you’re gonna figure out a brand new way faster route

[sturdy glade]

nope that's a glitch

[hidden sundial]

Three Monomon dupe rooms is not a glitch

[sturdy glade]

Only allowed to dupe lurien

[steady lynx]

Your honor, I did that glitch by accident and it didn't lead to any major timesave

[sturdy glade]

I messed up enough for it to go equal with comsob so it saved no time

[turbid patio]

TRUE

[twin spoke]

my first speedrun

[steel willow]

nice job !!

[warped lagoon]

great time

i almost got 3h 34min yesterday but i died :/

[forest basalt]

Hello, does anyone know where I can find damage numbers for cyclone slash and other abilities?

[weary root]

Hollow Knight wiki is pretty good usually https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cyclone_Slash

Just make sure to use this one cause we hate Fandom wiki

[forest basalt]

Okay 😁

It says it can deal 156 without fury of the fallen, but I wonder if that's with or without nail master or unbreakable strength, or they don't modify the damage output?

[formal bough]

NMG only speeds up reload time

and it clearly says

[formal bough]

Increases the bearer's mastery of Nail Arts, allowing them to focus their power faster and unleash arts sooner
(nail master glory's description) it makes you able to do them more often which does help damage output overall, but on a single nail art basis it doesn't impact dmagae

[forest basalt]

Oh I see 😔

[stable quarry]

I like this page https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Damage_Values_and_Enemy_Health_(Hollow_Knight)#Damage_Values

[forest basalt]

Thank you! That's pretty amazing.

[stable quarry]

Yeah I use it a bunch when teory crafting and stuff

[forest basalt]

I thought I was using a good strat with NKG during the pillars phase but it turns out using normal nail hits is more optimal. 😂

[stable quarry]

(Which I rarely do but still)

Yeah cyclone is only worth if the charge is free. Assuming you have max stuff

And even then only the first 3 hits I beleve with qs and fury equiped

[forest basalt]

I think it is very useful in All Bindings, but if you have charms it's not the best.

[median wasp]

Yeah, it’s wonderful with all bindings, otherwise it’s not amazing

[naive moat]

Hi ya'll been wanting to try an all achievements speedrun but had trouble finding a route/guide to help, anyone have any advice or a link to a guide i can follow to get started? thanks in advance :)

[vagrant warren]

There may be one on hksplitmaker. I don't know if there's an updated one public anywhere

(Not many people run the category since it's like 6 hours long at top level, longer rta)

[naive moat]

Thanks, hadnt considered that, but yeah that makes sense, i get why alot of people dont run it, definitley an endurance run lol

[steady lynx]

Yeah, there's not really any guides available, I've had some Chinese runners ask me if I had notes in the past

Literally just memorise the entire route

[vagrant warren]

Well math did a big reroute when he went for sub 6 and has full splitguides compatible notes but I don't think they're public anywhere

[naive moat]

splitmaker does have route notes, but they appear to be the old route

[vagrant warren]

Honestly unless you're planning to grind it, optimal route doesn't matter too much. And if you're going to grind it, you might want to consider your own reroutes

[hallow orchid]

I heard All Achievements I can send you what I have as far as notes go (splitguides compatible) but they're not quite complete. They're decent though

but yeah, I never finished rerouting, though the reroutes I did over the WR route probably save like ~5 minutes (and lose ~15 because I don't use flukes lmao)

[stable quarry]

15 minnutes?

[hallow orchid]

yeah, flukes save a ton of time between pantheons and the banned kill duping glitch used in the top 2 runs

[naive moat]

lmao, yeah that would be great thanks

[stable quarry]

Should only save 1 min on killduping from what I read Staxis will penalize those I think

Is flukeless more comfy?

[hallow orchid]

flukeless is just more nmg, imo. I don't use flukes in any of my runs because I consider them too glitchy

Pantheons are the main fluke timesave though, it's like 10 minutes or something

[fast carbon]

Is using livesplit or other timers required to upload a speedrun, my obs doesnt like it for some reason

[hallow orchid]

it's not required, but if you want your run to have a loadless time with it, it is (you can submit a run with just RTA timing with no other penalty, though)

[fast carbon]

Okay thx

[celest wyvern]

whats the current wr any% no majro glitched speedrun

[vagrant warren]

30:53 (you could see this yourself on SRC)

[steady lynx]

Yeah, we're adding a time penalty to that, I kinda fucked up with not noticing that in verification

[bleak spruce]

My first real speed run complete! The splits broke bc I didnt dare to try QGA, I went the long way around lol

I was just hoping for a sub 1 hour and I did it :D

[formal bough]

gg!

[kindred goblet]

Hey! I just recently played hollow knight for the first time and I just got both p5 endings, was hoping to get into speedrunning and was wondering if anyone had links to some entry level runs I could learn from, I figured if i start off watching high level runs i'll set bad habits and never get a decent run in. Im pretty interested in current patch glitchless for the most part.

[median wasp]

Any% 1.4.3.2+ NMG

Isma's Tear Route

While the optimal route, this route features an unforgiving set of skips to acquire Isma's Tear. Not recommended for beginners.

• https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-isma

Crystal Heart Route

This route more closely mirrors the 1.2.2.1 Vengeful Spirit route and is the most popular.

• Klapudo tutorial
• https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus

Other Routes

• Spore Shroom, requires 1.4.3.2 for broken THK damage. https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-spore
• Shade Soul, sacrificing time for boss fight comfort. https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-shade-soul

Other than this, you can look at runs on Speedrun.com that about match the time you want to achieve

[knotty vigil]

Hi

[sturdy glade]

Couldn't even get a dashmaster pfp

[steady lynx]

That's literally dashmaster

[topaz gorge]

How fast would a first speedrun be

[static umbra]

U shouldn’t worry too much about ur time with ur first speedrun, speedrun needs practice so ull have ample opportunity to improve ur time with more runs

[topaz gorge]

I wanna know if I'm trash or not for my first speedrun

[static umbra]

Nah u aren’t trash. Happy?

[topaz gorge]

I got 53 minutes first speedrun

That good?

[static umbra]

Yep

[topaz gorge]

Yay

[steady lynx]

If you ever consider your first run bad, think about if Lep or skate king or those people got WR on their first runs ever

Idk who's popular, zVypurr? Do the kids these days watch zVypurr do runs?

[median wasp]

How dare you make me think about the fact that I don’t know who new speedrunners watch

[sturdy glade]

idk lep was pulling hundreds of viewers with his ibaldur wr grind

[glass coyote]

How accurate is the in game timer? I’m on switch and not looking to submit or anything so don’t really wanna set up livesplit

[static umbra]

for console runs such as the switch, RTA time is usually used since i dont think there really is a load remover for console

[glass coyote]

Oh ic

[static umbra]

i think the in game timer still differs from rta actually

i think usually the in game timer is faster than rta

[median wasp]

The in game timer has a lot of weird glitches

For example:

Or this one

But, that being said, it’s usually consistently terrible, so you can at least tell how much you’re improving.

[stable quarry]

On switch the in game timer will likely be minnutes faster than rta

(Each quitout takes ~30 sec and is not counted by ingame timer i think

[steel willow]

can confirm this as a switch runner

[proud elbow]

I got 30 second speedrun

World record next

30 secimds amd 17 miliseconds

[turbid patio]

Zvy my GOAT

[winged quiver]

Is this speedrun available for mobile?

[steady lynx]

[hidden sundial]

Whatever you submit there will get instantly rejected

[weary root]

emulators are banned for leaderboard yes

[stable quarry]

KP ng+?

[wintry pendant]

I got a 4 second speedrun about a month and 3 days ago... and it wasn't KP ng+, it was 4ms:
only lost 1 second (at most) per split
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611892232519701/1356700296017084416/4ms-in-4-hits.PNG?ex=68170c5c&is=6815badc&hm=e9dd9a6a38138998b8e024079badfc15c351841d1cacdae150f85392ac55c75b&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=540&height=990

[stable quarry]

I still don't get how this is supposed to be normal livesplit

[wintry pendant]

I just modded the autosplitter to be an auto-hit-counter instead

[stable quarry]

Oh so your attempting hitless 4ms?

[wintry pendant]

well... I'm attempting 2-hit 4ms runs

I don't want to get rid of the 2 optimal hazard-warps

[stable quarry]

Why not?

Isn't the point to do it hitless?

[wintry pendant]

I don't want to walk back through the entire room after saving the Acid grub or the Spike grub, it's more fun to just dunk in the acid/spikes and be back at the start of the room

[stable quarry]

There are optimal damage tanks in goam room too why are those gone?

What does the red +1 and green -x mean?

[wintry pendant]

red +1 means I got hit one more time in that segment than my "gold". in this case my golds are my optimal 2-hit run, so a hit after Grub 2 is expected, but a hit before Grub 2 is BAD and red.

and the green -1 and -2 in the next column is just the normal delta comparing to pb

my previous pb was a 5-hit run that got hit once to Mawlek, so in this new 4-hit run, it showed -1 when I got through Mawlek still hitless

[stable quarry]

Why does it go -2 and then back to -1?

[sturdy glade]

He got hit

[stable quarry]

Oh right he got hit in the 5 hit run and then didn't in the 4 hit run until he got hit in the 4 hit run and not in the 5 hit run

[proud elbow]

Im sorry I havent played Hollow knight competitively in over a year
What does that mean

[steady lynx]

King's Pass New Game+

Aka do King's Pass as fast as possible with as much prep time as possible

[stable quarry]

What category did you run

[steady lynx]

Which just means putting a dgate next to the exit

[stable quarry]

We need KP ng+ warpless ngl

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's not a very interesting category

KP ng+ AG is kinda funny though

Not as funny as GH% NG+ Warpless NMMS

[stable quarry]

Dam I'm getting outfunnied by Rose

[steady lynx]

That time isn't even correct, speedrun.com just wouldn't let us have a run that had a time of 0

[nimble inlet]

Trying to get into HK speedrunning but I literally have no experience, how do I get started?

[nimble inlet]

How what huh

[steady lynx]

The power of the druids

[mint mist]

roughly how much time does qga save over fungal entrance to deepnest?

[steady lynx]

It was never properly timed, but it is the source of "Everything either saves or loses about 40 seconds" meme

[mint mist]

ok, thanks!

[coral shore]

33s from archives is what Nebula got I think
On 1221

[sturdy glade]

Oh damn not that slow

[kindred sundial]

washed

[kindred sundial]

halfwashed

[proud elbow]

Literally just do it
U eventually “git gud”

[solar zenith]

Mobile?

Livesplit

[solar zenith]

Try getting speedrunning achievements

in game ones

[potent kestrel]

How do I use the safestates I wanna try path of pain speedruns

[vagrant warren]

you'll need to use mini savestates assembly (not debut mod save states) if you want to submit runs. I'd suggest checking the resources channel of the pinned server

[turbid patio]

Is cc pogo slower than fireborn pogo (yes ik they are for different patches)

[barren jetty]

Hello i am a big fan of hollow knight but i need advise for Speedrun succes thank

[stable quarry]

That general advice is hard to give while it being useful. If you want real relevant advice then you should mention more details like goals, the category you intend to run etc

[barren jetty]

ok i was wondering if there were any charms or special passages that would allow you to go faster

[static umbra]

i mean all u really need to do to start speedrunning is to choose what category u wanna run and memorize a route for that category that u r comfortable with. ur first run might turn out terrible but with more runs u should see improvement

[barren jetty]

Ok thanks

[umbral hawk]

I am proud of myself

First time getting the DNM achievement

I hope that moth burns

[nimble inlet]

Just find a route and do it over and over?

[vagrant warren]

Well, there are practice tools you can use (assuming PC and not console). But basically yeah, that's how you get better. You can join the pinned server for up to date resources on the various categories

[nimble inlet]

Tysm! I'll check those out

[topaz gorge]

Is 3:23 seconds good for Pop

[vagrant warren]

if you're happy with it, it's good. If you want to know if it's competetive, look on the leaderboards

[hidden sundial]

3:23 is pretty good, just not a leaderboard level run

[stable quarry]

Can you get sub 3?

[dreamy ravine]

Hello im searching for people for playing a manhunt

Is someone down for hunting? Or speedrunning?

[analog pawn]

firepogo is faster

[topaz gorge]

Probably not

[stable quarry]

Are you not going to try? Idk what strats your doing but you can get sub 3 with quite beginner friendly strats.

[topaz gorge]

I am going to try but idk how to cut 23 seconds

[analog pawn]

look at what movement runs around your goal do I think

[errant plaza]

Hi

I want ask what i need to start speedrunning hk

I played the game month ago and finished

I love what speedrunner do with this and i feel i want try too

[pure jolt]

is the inventory drop patched or am i doing something wrong...?

[thorn jasper]

it's patched. on latest patch you can do it the same frame you walk off a ledge

[pure jolt]

ah. so all speedruns are on a earlier version? whats the criteria if you want to compete?

[mossy brook]

There is a current patch leader board as well

[median wasp]

There is a separate leaderboard for lp

[thorn jasper]

1.2.2.1 is the popular speedrunning patch. also see what the other folks said

[nimble inlet]

OK this is probably a well known question but how does the timer always stop and start during loading screens? is it like programmed with the game??? im so confused

[median wasp]

If you enter Hollow Knight as the game you’re playing into live split, you can enable a load remover that pauses whenever the game is loading

[nimble inlet]

thats so cool

[stable quarry]

Idk how it works but it doesn't include loads to make it more fair between heigh end and low end hardware

[nimble inlet]

so it just knows when to stop and start becuase of that?

[median wasp]

As far as I’m aware, it reads the game’s memory to check if the player is loading or not, and if they are it pauses the timer

[nimble inlet]

thats awesome

does it also do that with segments or do you have to manually input segments

[median wasp]

Yep, it auto splits at the end of segments, it auto starts the timer, and automatically ends the timer

[nimble inlet]

dang that makes it so much nicer than i thought it would be to have to speedrun

ive always wanted to try speedrunning but i literally just dont know where to start

[median wasp]

It’s so nice, it removes all human error which makes it so much easier to tell exactly how much you’re improving

[median wasp]

There’s quite a few guides and people willing to help, the server in the pinned messages is really helpful

[nimble inlet]

why do people use mandarin

does it make the text faster?

[steel willow]

yeah

[median wasp]

Yep

[stable quarry]

Don't we use simplified chineese?

[obsidian citrus]

Heyyo, im not really into speedrunning(and i dont think 12 hours counts as speedrunning lol) but i made an attempt at 112% Steel Soul godhome ending :D

[stable quarry]

Idk I don't read it eiter way

[obsidian citrus]

Kinda proud of myself ngl

[stable quarry]

It counts if you where trying to go fast imo

It is not a very competative time but it counts

[obsidian citrus]

Okay, good to know! I wasent sure where to post this at first

[nimble inlet]

watching lep's speedrun and this is making me feel like a terrible hollow knight player

[stable quarry]

I wonder what the longest speedrun on the main board is now? Likely AA

You're not alone

[median wasp]

This is the difference between them (This took way longer to record than I thought it would)

[stable quarry]

It saves ~20sec in any%

[gentle bay]

uhhhh I js beat all 3 dreamers in about two hrs cuz I'm trying to get the speedrun achievements is that good

[vagrant warren]

If you're happy with it, it's good

[kindred sundial]

pc 💔

[worthy turtle]

Hey I'm doing ascabsrad and was wondering how to do face dancing YT makes it look so easy and it looks faster than to just jump and hit

[nimble inlet]

ok this isnt hollow knight but i just did a run of "DELTARUNE" chptr 1, and the timer never ended. anyone have ideas about this?

[formal bough]

does deltarune have an autosplitter?

okay it does, https://www.speedrun.com/deltarune/guides/htwp2

have you read this guide and also go to the deltarune speedrun areas

[nimble inlet]

yeah i have done all of that

[formal bough]

there's a discord linked on the src page

ask for help ther

[nimble inlet]

invalid

[formal bough]

the discord link works for me

[nimble inlet]

what the heck

i literally cant

just says invalid invite

[formal bough]

could you have been banned or something?

[nimble inlet]

ive never joined

[stable quarry]

Have you tried a different browser?

[nimble inlet]

no?

still not working

lets go i got it

[turbid quest]

71 hours is a great achievement 👏

[pure jolt]

does the timer still count when you are in the escape menu?

[vagrant warren]

livesplit does, yes.

it only pauses during loads

[pure jolt]

I mean like the timer of the game, if i want to finish the game under 5 hours for example

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. The game timer does not count while paused.

[pure jolt]

sowwy

[nimble inlet]

Not trying to be rude, but you could change your server display name to have (NO PING) or smth like that so ppl don't ping reply you. I see a lot of ppl do it so they don't have to tell everyone

[sturdy glade]

Large amounts of people also either don't notice, don't care, or don't know how to turn off reply ping