speedrunning

[vagrant warren]

Isn't it basically just the same as windows now that there's an approved auto splitter?

[royal oxide]

I'm trying to configure it right now and it is very confusing

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. Do hksplitmaker splits not work for the wasm livesplit?

[royal oxide]

Ok thanks it's mostly working now. Though there are some issues like:

1. Hotkeys not working unless the livesplit window is in focus (so you have to alt-tab from the game), but this isn't exactly the program's fault, that's just not currently possible without some trickery on linux right now.
2. I guess livesplit one doesn't work properly with high dpi screens so it's very blocky and hard to read

I guess that's not too bad, I can deal with this, but it is annoying

Also no transparent backgrounds

[vagrant warren]

Yeah, it's only within the last year that there's even been a valid autosplitter for linux at all. Most of the dev/suggestions that I've seen takes place in the speedrun server

[royal oxide]

But yeah to be fair it is cool that there is one at all

[sturdy glade]

You running ismas route?

[hidden sundial]

I think it's currently the top route for CP. Brave indeed

[sturdy glade]

Jesse, do NOT abbreviate current patch

[hidden sundial]

I mean, it's also optimal for Crystal Peak since you don't even set a foot there.

[robust axle]

What are we talking about in here..?

[royal oxide]

Yeah, I kinda just looked at a few top speedruns, picked one and started trying to learn it lol

Doesn't look too bad

[sturdy glade]

I can't speak on it but uhh that shit hard

[royal oxide]

Any specific parts or just in general?

[sturdy glade]

Ismas skips specifically

Apparently the slopeball to wings isn't that bad so I'm gonna take the LP players word on that but the skips to ismas are wild

[royal oxide]

It seems tough but I don't feel like it's anything too crazy

But I'll get to it later lol

[stable quarry]

it is still hard by my standards like comparable to qga imo

[sturdy glade]

Alr medium ish difficulty

It's impossible for me cause it requires booting lp

[stable quarry]

Idk what to compare ismas skips to though maybe mantis willage fb skip where you fb skip instead of doing epogo

I don't think it's as hard as that but yeah

[royal oxide]

I didn't expect the mantis pogo to be this tricky

Having a harder time with it than the sporg skip thing

Any tips?

Because I'm starting to feel like it's just not worth it for me lol

[sturdy glade]

Videos help

If you have sloppy movement getting to the lever it's usually difficult to recover

[royal oxide]

Every time I do it one of these two things keeps happening

I'd try to dash in the second case, but the mantis always seems to be too close

[sturdy glade]

Try to hit the lever more efficiently

You want to hit a good turnaround and hit the far right of the lever and go right asap

[royal oxide]

Hmm, doing it in slow mo right now, trying to hit the lever with the very edge of the hitbox, seem to be getting the same outcome

[sturdy glade]

Also FB earlier

When you fb that late you're baiting the youth further left

[royal oxide]

What does FB mean?

[sturdy glade]

Fireball

Vengeful spirit

[royal oxide]

Ah

[sturdy glade]

Vs is also used

[royal oxide]

When I should I do it? When I try to do it earlier he immediately attacks and I don't seem to have the time to hit him

(I'm trying this out at 0.2 speed btw lol)

[sturdy glade]

I think I usually fb midair then dash nail but I'm not positive

Also join the pinned server there are much better people than me there

[royal oxide]

Man I should check the pins more often on servers

Btw, I was trying to imitate what they're doing here
https://youtu.be/64sChxkZSNs?t=642

Maybe I should try to upslash

[sturdy glade]

Upslash is good for not halting forward momentum

[royal oxide]

Well doesn't seem to make even nearly enough of a difference

I think I'll go to that discord server you mentioned

[stable quarry]

the fb is at the right spot it

[candid tapir]

Does anyone have any tips for epogo?

[vagrant warren]

Scroll up & see the discussion from yesterday

[glossy jacinth]

anyone have any tips for fungal?

i keep getting lost

[vagrant warren]

Lost where? And what category? Fungal is pretty straight forward but you could pull up a map on the side

[glossy jacinth]

like, i cant get to mantis village

im going from queens to claw

[vagrant warren]

Just look at a map & practice the route. Like, there aren't that many side paths

[glossy jacinth]

yeah

oon my mai save i went to and fro through it so i memorized the path

but i forgot that ther were lever doors

[fierce hull]

is livesplit supposed to start when you start a new game or do you have to manually do it
i already have all of it set up

[sturdy glade]

Yep thorn stands are a thing

[weary root]

It should start when you enter kings pass

[fierce hull]

the timer turns green but stays at 0 seconds, when i use the hotkey it just changes the split instead of starting the timer

does qol affect it at all

[weary root]

Can you double check the autosplits for me

In edit spits -> settings

[fierce hull]

oh yeah the setting was off

thanks

[weary root]

Uh

[fierce hull]

what

[weary root]

That setting might be supposed to be off

[fierce hull]

start triggering autosplit?

[weary root]

Yeah that should be off

[fierce hull]

why is that

[weary root]

It starts the run on an autosplit instead of game start

I'm assuming you want it to start on game start

But there should be a bunch of split names in a list

[fierce hull]

this is what it says

[weary root]

Yeah is there a list of autosplits below that though?

[fierce hull]

yeah

[weary root]

Ok try that then

[fierce hull]

didnt work

[weary root]

With start-triggering on or off?

[fierce hull]

on

with start new game

[weary root]

And it didn't work with it off?

[fierce hull]

no

[weary root]

Did you get splits from hksplitmaker?

[fierce hull]

yes but i changed some of them

[weary root]

In hksplitmaker or after?

[fierce hull]

in

i might try it again

[paper cosmos]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283467985224466442/1358223043213918380/giphy35.gif

[weary root]

You should have ordered splits ticked

[fierce hull]

i redid it in hksplit maker and it worked

i think i just didnt have an option enabled

cuz whatever button i press it just binds to that button

[sturdy glade]

Bind it to something you already use then bind that other thing to unbind it

[fierce hull]

ok

now both of them are binded to the same thing

nvm i can just bind it to something else

[turbid patio]

livesplit is so annoying sometimes

[stable quarry]

Why? I usually don't have issues with livesplit. The autosplitter on the other hand.

[patent lichen]

unsure if tas discussion fits here but how are some tas made when some attacks in the game are random

[steady lynx]

There's a tas discord iirc

I wonder if

?tag tas

[river axle]

No tag tas found.

[sturdy glade]

There is

I'll see if there's an invite anywhere in it

So I can't send the invite here

Join the pinned discord and go to the roles and commands channel

[mossy brook]

?tag servers

[river axle]

Hollow Knight Community Discords

Note: this is the only Official Hollow Knight Discord server. The other servers are run by other members of the hollow knight community, and they are not affiliated with this server.

• Hollow Knight (Official Main server) - https://discord.gg/hollowknight | discord.gg/hollowknight
• Hollow Knight Speedrun & Racing Community - https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD
• Hollow Knight TAS - https://discord.gg/G96XKtGtrZ
• Hollow Knight Modding - https://discord.gg/VDsg3HmWuB

Non-English Hollow Knight Discords

• Español - https://discord.gg/P8aCtHfDFu
• Italiano - https://discord.gg/swdPmJ5J3n
• Français - https://discord.com/invite/KBH4CrWMu2

[turbid patio]

tases manipulate the rng, so they know what attack they will get 👍

[patent lichen]

oh fair

[lofty flare]

…

Okay so rng in HK is based on a lot of bullshit

Ever particle (including main menu), your framerate, your fucking system time, etc

libTAS, the program we use for TASing, normalizes all of those things

[stable quarry]

Rng is based on 🍝

[lofty flare]

In order to make the game deterministic

(Meaning that the same inputs in the same order will lead to the same result)

[lofty flare]

The size of the spaghetti platter you had last night affects rng smh

[stable quarry]

True

[mighty vault]

doesn’t it just use unityengine.random or whatever that namespace was called

[hidden sundial]

It does

The thing is, most PC randomizers do take as parameters a million things that escape human control

But a TAS can play with

[lofty flare]

Yeah

But it’s based a lot of bullshit

Because true randomness doesn’t exist, especially in computing

So it just uses a ton of random values

random.org, for example, generates numbers based on atmospheric pressure

[mighty vault]

well yeah you can't have something random in a deterministic system by definition

[royal oxide]

Out of curiosity, does anyone here know how many frames it takes for the knight to reach max speed when walking?

[mighty vault]

0

instant acceleration iirc

[royal oxide]

Well, that lines up lol

I was just asking because I recently started playing celeste because of my partner's recommendation and the movement felt strangely off to me in comparison to hollow knight

I probably got way too used to the game's slightly unusual movement lol

[formal bough]

Celeste has acceleration yeah; 650 pixels/second/second in the air (or 10.833 pixels/second/frame, or 0.18 pixels/frame/frame)

but at the same time celeste is much more movement oriented of course

[royal oxide]

Yeah, it's way way more polished in terms of movement, so I was very surprised about how clunky it felt to me personally, But honestly it's probably mostly the freeze frame when you dash lol

[formal bough]

freeze frames are 3f long, and you might be feeling the screenshake idk I turn that off

[royal oxide]

I very much feel the hitch of the freeze frame, I'm weirdly sensitive to them in games. I'm fine with screen shake, though I probably should try disabling that and seeing whether it affects me

(also I'm similarly annoyed with the big freeze frame when you get hit in hollow knight, but I don't mind it that much because it feeling painful is appropriate lmao)

[formal bough]

if you use mods you could disable freeze frames (this is an option used in some input heavy maps to make it even harder for the player)

[whole flower]

Tips for first time speed running

[steady lynx]

Do a really bad run and then improve from there, nobody started at the top

[weary root]

Yeah just do runs

If you want more specific advice you can find tutorials and such in the speedrunning discord (link in the pins)

[glossy jacinth]

im gonna start my forst speedrun and idk what begginer splits to use, anyone have anhy good ones?

[hidden sundial]

If going for Any%, I'd say you can try out either Shade Soul route or Spore Shroom route if feeling good with boss fights.

Those don't require the harder skips of the category

[glossy jacinth]

what spilits though?

idk what order for stuff

[vagrant warren]

you can get them premade from the site in pins

[glossy jacinth]

kk

thanks

[fierce hull]

i was just celebrating my first sub-1 hour run and then i see this

cuz of load times and stuff tho it still counts

[hidden sundial]

That's nasty, but yeah, def a sub hour without load times

[fierce hull]

yeah my livesplit said 58:10 so im counting that

[shell spindle]

florrDespair

[analog pawn]

We do only care what livesplit says anyways

[shell spindle]

Shrue…

[turbid patio]

Load times are so bad

[bright shadow]

Is it better to play with keyboard or with 🎮 for speedrun?

[formal bough]

there are top speedrunners who use both

[stable quarry]

Keyboard is ~1.0001 times better

Tbh that might not be enough zeros

[lofty flare]

1.00000000001 fr fr

[glossy jacinth]

ok, so im not sure what all i should have set up for a speedrun

ik livesplit but like, should i have a map or guide>

im doing an NMG any%

[weary root]

Join the speedrunning server link in the pins ^

A bunch of guides there

[lofty flare]

White speedrunner role

Crying

[steady lynx]

We had a good run

@potent mountain thanks for the opportunity o7

[weary root]

o7

[potent mountain]

i was voted out

[vagrant warren]

Should have let the speedrunners in on the vote

[little estuary]

someone have a tip for keyboard on queen garden acid skip, its hard 😦

[formal bough]

you know that if you have ismas you can't do it right? so you're practicing on a save without ismas

[vagrant warren]

Don't practice with ismas (it's impossible). Also if you're too high you can't charge cdash at all.

[little estuary]

yep

[vagrant warren]

For more specific suggestions people usually post a clip of their failures so people can see what's going wrong. There's also lots of resources & more active runners in the pinned server

[little estuary]

the thing that i am not getting the timing to activate cdash on the wall, and i traned getting dash and than cdash

[little estuary]

ok gonna search a bit

ty

[stable quarry]

In the pinned server we have a metronome spesifically for practicing qga
#822611561427370054 message

[hidden sundial]

Holy molly this is clever, will give it a try

[gaunt anvil]

so after like 3 years or so of basically doing everything in hk on my switch, i decided to go and clean up my hk stats on pc
thing is i've always known there's some cool tech like turnarounds and instawings, but i can't seem to find resources on how to do them, but i've always thought that stuff was really cool
if anyone knows how to explain how they work, i'd love you forever
(also if possible, an explanation of the strat speedrunners use to do pogos + turnarounds in ||absrad|| runs)

[still lodge]

pinned speedun server will have all your answers

(or ask there for anything missing)

[mossy brook]

This channel truly exists just as gateway to the speedrunning server

[gaunt anvil]

ty!!!

[weary root]

Yeah that's why it's still here lol

[sturdy glade]

I should get a button that just pastes and sends a message to join the pinned server to this channel

[heavy topaz]

god-like crystal peaks cycle

[static umbra]

Bro what is this cpeaks movement 😭

Crazy no clip strats tho I can’t lie lmfao

[sturdy glade]

Hitting the quirrel room wj with the rest of the rooms being that is fucking hilarious

[hidden sundial]

Sounds like my average try

Bar the no clipping

[torn nest]

whats a respectable speedrun time

[steady lynx]

Which game

[torn nest]

hk

[stable quarry]

6:18.40

[torn nest]

6 hrs is respectable?

[stable quarry]

Yeah this is 4th place in this category

[torn nest]

oh dang

what abt the other places

[stable quarry]

What other places?

[sturdy glade]

4:29s are really good

[stable quarry]

First place is 5:42.26

[steady lynx]

You might wanna specify which category

[torn nest]

oh

just any%

[sturdy glade]

Yeah 4:29s are tippity top level runs

[hidden sundial]

Depends on your definition of respectable

[turbid patio]

thats not very specific :ehsmshesmek

[hidden sundial]

But assuming Any% NMG the WR is 30:53 iirc

[turbid patio]

yay lep

[stable quarry]

So eiter sub 5, sub 20 or sub 34 or 35 is really good

[turbid patio]

^so mcuh clarity inthe above statement

[hidden sundial]

But I like to think Sub hour is decent, sub 50 is respectable, sub 45 is good, sub 40 is quite good, sub 35 and below is pro

[turbid patio]

that sounds agreeable

[stable quarry]

AG, NMMS, NMG 1.4+, NMG Respectably

[hidden sundial]

Having so many people doing 33-34 mins makes people undermine the difficulty of doing sub 40s

My current PB is 48:06 on current patch, but my best splits add to 44:21, so I know I can improve it substantially if I make a good overall run

Specially since I have 0 runs with a good Uumuu fight lmao

And I still mess up very often EPogo, do Spore Shroom instead of QGA (since I get that one around 15% of the time, which is by no means consistent) and always mess up rafter skips

So I'm guessing if I pull all of that right I should get somewhat close to 41/42 and after that the details become far more substantial

[stable quarry]

Glitched runners are pro

Not quite there in any% nmg though my pb is 37:xx

[orchid basin]

where do I find a savestate pack?

[sturdy glade]

resources channel in the pinned server

[orchid basin]

thx

I cant find the resources channel 😦

[sturdy glade]

under help

[hidden sundial]

Just realized doing Left Rafters consistently is ten times easier than attempting Right Rafters and botching it every time

[orchid basin]

thanks so much

[vagrant warren]

You haven't joined the speedrun server

[weary root]

Yeah saying pinned server does not get through 90% of the time

[orchid basin]

oohhh

I just found the pinned stuff

[static umbra]

i was watching some streamer speedrun hollow knight and was wondering if anyone could tell me how this movement works, he quits out after picking up fury of the fallen and it seems like all he is doing is holding right but he is actually somehow facing left while moving right and also it removed the hard fall?

[sturdy glade]

Strat is cheating

[weary root]

Yeah we're talking about in the speedrunning server

Guess is that strat has a nasa pc

Or registry memes

Either way noone else can replicate it so it's probably banned

[sturdy glade]

Gustens nasa PC can't test cause he refuses to spend 5 seconds uncapping it

[steady lynx]

I'm enjoying the 120 fps life, you people are so worried about your "fps strats", I'm just living my best life

[weary root]

Can I interest you in 119 fps?

[steady lynx]

I don't think I ever use Shriek in hundo AG

Oh wait, Godtamer

I really just said I'd take a break from hundo NMMS and decided to run hundo AG

Both categories nobody else runs or cares about

[stable moon]

you act like you don't have the only run in like 50 categories

[torn nest]

okay so

i went to the right place

used quick cast

and i still cant kill the baldur with 1 fireball

it doesnt even hit him for some reason

[static umbra]

r u on latest patch or 1221? it doesnt work on latest patch

[weary root]

You are on a patch that is 1.3 or later

[torn nest]

so i was right

im on the latest

i asked someone yesterday if its only exclusive to one patch or all

they said it should work on all

dang

thanks for telling me

[static umbra]

i see, maybe they thought u were talking about smth else

[rancid crag]

There is a speedrunning server?

[static umbra]

yes check pins

[rancid crag]

Thanks

[stable quarry]

It works on all patches before 1315

[steady lynx]

[shell spindle]

:0

[stable quarry]

When was it added then?

[steady lynx]

1.0.1.1

[stable quarry]

Works on 1028 and 1221 that is all the patches pre 1315 I play on xD

[steady lynx]

Before then if you try to do it it's like the fireball hits a wall

[stable quarry]

So it's a feature not a bug

[steady lynx]

It is fully intended and people who say it's a glitch can eat slightly overcooked pasta

[little estuary]

i got 1h and 15m, finaly

[patent lichen]

question: are there universally used names for certain rooms?

[steady lynx]

Only some notable ones

Jennifer room my beloved

[median wasp]

There are the room ids in debug mod, but they suck

Especially the fact that there’s like 4 different areas titled fungus 1, fungus 2, fungus 3, and fungus 4.

[hidden sundial]

Hey, it's only three fungus

Though it covers four areas

Very intuitive stuff

[median wasp]

That’s so much worse

Though deepnest_east is pretty terrible to

[hidden sundial]

Yeah but at least that one is consistently KE

When watching Fungus 1 I never know if I'm looking at Greenpath or QG

Same for Fungus 3 and QG/Fog

[median wasp]

Wait, QG is both fungus 1 and 3. Team Cherry, this is insane!

Why couldn’t they just have renamed the internal names when they shrunk fungal

[steady lynx]

I'm a really big fan of Fungus1_23

Like, why is Fungus1_23 located there?

Special note to Deepnest_East_17 for being the tallest room in the game

[patent lichen]

i meant like actual names

[formal bough]

there's https://github.com/ManicJamie/HKTranslator/blob/master/HKTranslator/Resources/TranslatorDictionary.xml

[torn karma]

hell room? the room right before soul master (with like 6 soul twisters)

[sturdy glade]

not quite universal but definitely understood under a little context

a lot of rooms suck ass

[steady lynx]

Hot take, Kyle is worse than all the twisters in hellroom combined

the soul twister named Kyle is also kinda bad

[hexed thorn]

I hate Kyle so much

soul twisters aren’t that bad tho imo

[stoic breach]

Hiiii, wanted to start speedrunning the game a bit, which category do you think is the best to start with?

[steady lynx]

Celeste any%

[stoic breach]

[steady lynx]

Any% NMG and All Skills NMG are considered the most beginner friendly main board categories

[stoic breach]

Thanks!

[steady lynx]

Optimal route uses iBaldur which is considerably hard, so it's not recommended to use optimal route

For beginners

[stoic breach]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there are beginner friendly guide, I'll look for them

[median wasp]

If you want detailed guides, the speed run server has guides if you type ;any into the roles and commands channel

[knotty vigil]

I DID A FIREBALL AND WINGS AT THE SAME TIME new speed run???? {it works with maps 2????}

[static umbra]

the all glitches speedrunners could clarify more about this but this is a major glitch and cant be used in the most popular ruleset which is no major glitches

[knotty vigil]

Oh k

[static umbra]

it looks to be some kind of float but since im not an expert on float i cant tell u any more than that

[knotty vigil]

oh tahjts foine i just thought that new method

[shell spindle]

nah that's not float that's obviously gravity

[sturdy glade]

that's slowfall

[stoic breach]

Does anyone know why I can't nail slash right at the start of the game after falling ? For some reason I have to unbind and rebind for it to work

[vagrant warren]

are you using mouse? If so join the pinned server & get blue.exe or turquoise.exe fromt the resources channel

[stable quarry]

Using quickmap and fb to get slowfall is known I don't see how you could possibly get the same effect with wings and fireball though?

[stoic breach]

Thx it worked !

[molten rain]

does anyone know like a good video that explanes how to do speed run tech for beginers? cus i want to start speedrunnig but i dont have a clue on what im doing

[stoic breach]

I was watching the one Fireborn did
I don't think you will have the latest tech since the playlist is pretty old but it seems pretty good to begin with

It's a guide for any% nmg 1.2.2.1 specifically tho

[hidden sundial]

Assuming it's Any% I'd say you learn:
A) A route - where to go, in what order and what items to collect/ignore. I don't recommend learning the optimal IBaldur route unless you hate yourself.
B) Proper boss fighting: Practice WK, Uumuu and THK with only VS and Shaman, they're kinda tough bosses and the place you'll die the most.
C) The basic skips: Fireball (or mosquito) for Greenpath, EPogo and mantis pogos in Fungal, Blue Lake shade skip, Fog Canyon access skip.
D) Additional skips: Rafters, Peak movement tech, QGA (if unable to perform, I'd say you learn Spore Shroom route instead).

[molten rain]

thanks:)))))

[median wasp]

I’d also check out the pinned server

If you type ;any into the roles and commands channel you’ll get some guides and recourses

The people there are also really helpful for learning

[karmic sierra]

What is wk?

[static umbra]

Watcher knights

[karmic sierra]

Ooooh ok

[glacial garnet]

Guy how do i become speed runner

[vagrant warren]

Play game, use timer, try to go fast

[glacial garnet]

What about skips and glitches

[wary cypress]

is spellless elder baldur possible on switch?

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. I'd suggest not worrying too much about those if you're just starting. But if you want to learn there's lots of resources in the pinned server

[vagrant warren]

It's probably technically possible but really awkward with switches input delay

[weary root]

It's going to be harder on switch for two reasons:

1. 60fps means more input lag
2. The trick is more lenient at higher framerates

[wary cypress]

So it is possible

[weary root]

Yes

[wary cypress]

then i just gotta lock in

[weary root]

It took people who are very good at this game hours before hitting it, so don't feel too discouraged

[stable quarry]

There are other options if you just want to get past the baldur spell less

[wary cypress]

yes I just want to skip baldur

[stable quarry]

You can get long nail from salubra that way you don't need the shade and have infinite tries without having to heal each time

Same with dream shield but you need to get to resting grounds for that.

[wary cypress]

I already have dream shield and long nail

also how does the shade help?

[stable quarry]

Oh I though we where talkibg about itemless baldur lol

[weary root]

Dreamshield and shade are anti-synergy

[stable quarry]

You can do it without charms with a shade but it's harder I think. I have done it with longnail and fury not with shade or dream shield

[wary cypress]

ok then I guess I'll do fury and long nail

[stable quarry]

I think people claim dream shield to be easier but I could not do it with that when I tried it.

[wary cypress]

How does dream shield help?

[stable quarry]

Dream shield also gives you more reach idk how the two compare in reach I just didn't like timing it with the spin and fury doesn't help on dream shield

[wary cypress]

maybe long nail and dream shield can work

[fierce aurora]

how would yall recommend i speedrun for the first time? is it just sort of a go for it kinda thing?

[vagrant warren]

You can, and make your own route, or you can pick a category & there are lots of resources in the pinned server

[stable quarry]

I think you missed a should between and and make

[fierce aurora]

ty for the advice!

[molten rain]

how do i do an invintory drop cus even when first starting a play through i cant open inventory mid air i also cant pause mid air?

[static umbra]

if u are on the latest patch u wont be able to open the inventory midair. u will have to downpatch if u want to be able to do so

inventory drop is still possible on latest patch but its precise, u have to open inventory as u are falling off a ledge, not sure if its frame perfect or not but the timing is tight

[molten rain]

o ok thanks:)

[turbid patio]

its frame perfect

[hidden sundial]

Yeah the only way in current patch is by open inventory right as you start falling. This restricts the trick to be usable in far less places and less consistently.

[steady lynx]

Thankfully it doesn't actually save a lot of time outside the gruzer drop and the one in cpeak

They're at most 2 to 3 seconds each to not get

[hidden sundial]

Yeah it's a few seconds time saving for each you get correctly

[steady lynx]

Unless you're going for WR or grinding a specific split it's generally not something worth resetting over

If you run 112 and reset to Gruz drop you will be made fun of

[stable quarry]

Map dropping is nmg right? Idk if you can do it more than once per quitout though. Like you press quick map on the ground and then press it again once your off the ground

[steady lynx]

Technically yes, but you'd have to get the map

Unless you're on a good patch, then you don't need the map to open the map

[knotty vigil]

Hello to all of you guys,
I have a question to the speedrunners: how many attempts did it take you to get to your personal record. Thanks for your answers beforehand 🙌🏻

[static umbra]

what category tho, theres like a bunch of categories out there

[formal bough]

Skatekings any% splits (former wr holder of any%) has 7464 resets on it

(the current wr holder's reset count is way lower at only 200, but that's because he started running a new route and changed his splits for that. his pb on the older route had 1500 resets, thus meaning at least 1700 resets, and assuredly more on other split files)

But also, "1. It took 1 attempt to get my first personal best"

and then 2 attempts to get my 2nd, and (well not so on)

[knotty vigil]

Any%

[knotty vigil]

Thanksss

That’s so impressive

My best time is like 7 hours haha but I only tried it once and my goal was completing the game under 10h

[knotty vigil]

What’s your best time?

[formal bough]

I haven't actually ran any%

I've done a colo 1 run and I've done a low% run (a couple of them actually but I was real bad at the game back then); haven't done a run in a while

[static umbra]

as an extremely casual speedrunner i took like maybe 50 resets (havent set up livesplit yet so idk exact) to get to 48 min in-game time. just getting a deathless run is good enough for a decent pace. but some of the best speedrunners will pour thousands of attempts into getting PBs

[knotty vigil]

What’s PBs? Sorry I’m new to the topic

[static umbra]

personal best

[knotty vigil]

What’s a low% run 🙂

[knotty vigil]

Thanks.

[static umbra]

beating the game with the lowest amount of percentage possible

[knotty vigil]

Wow, that’s cool. Not many attempts 😄
I’d probably need thousands xD

[knotty vigil]

Ah okay, nice

[knotty vigil]

And what’s the world record and your personal record?

[static umbra]

u can check all of this information of speedrun.com btw

[knotty vigil]

Thank you so much

[static umbra]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

[knotty vigil]

🙌🏻

[chrome plover]

Hi, I wanted to learn the new vengeful spiritless baldur to greenpath, the one with the shade, does anyone have any tips to help me doing it because after two hours of trying, I didn't achieve it à single time

[dusty dagger]

is there a savestate guide? is it even difficult?

or i can just use the quick save and then quick load surely

[vagrant warren]

it's covered in lep's guide (I dunno if there's a command for it here)

[dusty dagger]

found it thanks

[dusty dagger]

yes that works for me

[hidden sundial]

Hm, almost a first try sub-45 with patch 1.2.2.1

If only my rando spirit didn't kick on QG and my early game wasn't trash I would've got it

[dusty dagger]

GG

[hidden sundial]

Also my fault for trying a LP epogo, failing and not having any idea of how it's meant to be done on this patch lmao

[turbid patio]

lmao

1221 epogo is soo much easier it doesnt takke long to learn

anyway dont play on 1221 anyway bad patch smh smh

[dusty dagger]

ive decided i love savestates

[turbid patio]

ofc

[hidden sundial]

Yeah it felt a bit weird, I like the game on latest patch overall

[turbid patio]

savestates are liek THE practice toool

[hidden sundial]

Would really love if we could lever skip that dude tho

[turbid patio]

that dude?

[hidden sundial]

The Great Husk in City

[turbid patio]

ah ah

[hidden sundial]

Which you have to kill on LP

[turbid patio]

just run all skills, then you can wraiths him through the floor

better cat

[hidden sundial]

Never ran an all skills

But will likely try it someday, I'm tired of 10 cycle Uumuu

[turbid patio]

omg yay

1 cycle uumuu AS is free

you just use shriek lol

[stable quarry]

Back in my day we did Uumuu 1 cycle with ddark and shadesoul

[analog pawn]

I do it with shade soul and dash slash

[steady lynx]

I do it with 3 fluke casts

I get sad when I see others get angry at Uumuu. Sad, because I know that they’re actually angry at themselves, for having terrible Watcher Knight and Hollow Knight fights. Because Uumuu is so easy to optimize, they take their anger out on him, becoming more and more insecure and never addressing their own personal problems. I just wish more people understood that RNG doesn’t ruin runs: speedrunners ruin runs.

[little estuary]

i got my first sub 1h 30

[stuck plank]

Hi, I'm looking for someone who's very experienced with Hollow Knight to do some recordings for. fast gameplay experience and being able to defeat the bosses without taking damage is needed

[thorn jasper]

you might get more of a response if you (a) detail what the constraints are and (b) offer some kind of incentive for people's time

for (a) I'm wondering which bosses and if glitches are allowed

[sturdy glade]

Dgate invuln

Might be dumb but what's the reason for this? I would assume something like watching p5 speedrun record would be sufficient for most needs for fast fights

[stable quarry]

People also post and do quick kills in hog

Atleast for pv and absrad

[turbid patio]

famous

[thorn jasper]

ok so it sounds like they want to make a youtube video and want to hire (?) someone to record footage for it

[vagrant warren]

Or paying in "exposure" since no compensation was mentioned

[thorn jasper]

but without knowing what kind of video they want to make, and without knowing what kind of compensation they're offering, it's gonna be hard for anyone to take them seriously

I'll record a full playthrough for $4000

[steady lynx]

For the right amount of money I'd even run any% NMG

[weary root]

Yeah honestly the videos already exist. If you just found it, asked the owner nicely, and gave proper credit, you'd be sorted.

[stable quarry]

Unless it's something extremly spesific

[steady lynx]

AbsRad Radiant charmless

[idle cypress]

that just sound annoying if anything

[steady lynx]

Yeah, basically every Radiant boss is just annoying

[stable quarry]

It's a lot more fun to just do runs for sure

[still lodge]

i'll record a 112% run for $1000

can promise a 3:07

[turbid patio]

r5ab

[steady lynx]

5000€ and I'll do it

[frozen chasm]

Hello

I speedrun P1 I guess

[sturdy glade]

sick

[median wasp]

If you dm me with details, we might be able to work something out. No promises though

[onyx lava]

Hello everyone, I started speedrunning not so long ago, is there a place were I can find out if a glitch is allowed or not?

[static umbra]

depends on the ruleset. r u asking about nmg?

[thorn jasper]

see above

[onyx lava]

Yeap, NMG, thank you, I´ll check it out

[sharp mountain]

Hey any one here with randomizer experience?

[static umbra]

Why ask? Also #randomizer is a better fit for whether randomizer related question u want to ask

[sharp mountain]

oh ok Im not too sure where i would ask this but im doing a randomizer and im in need of some sort of trick to help with this jump

thats why i asked here

[static umbra]

The ppl in #randomizer can help u out with skips as well

[sharp mountain]

Ok thank you

[icy marten]

Hey everyone! I am playing hollow knight in steam and recently got into individual pantheon speedruns. I wanted to downpatch the game to the commonly used version for these categories(1.5.78) but couldn't find out how to, can somebody please help me?

[mossy brook]

1.5.78 is the latest patch

If you never messed with the patches, you are on that by default

[icy marten]

Huh, opps

Thanks lol

and what recording software can I use to record both hollow knight and the splits? I used obs and insight capture but if either of them has that option I didn't find it

[weary root]

In obs you can make a game/window capture for the game, and then another separate window capture for livesplit

As long as livesplit capture is above the game one it will show up

Also worth noting that you don't want livesplit covering any of the hud elements like health and soul meter

And game sound is required if you're submitting to the speedrun.com leaderboard

[icy marten]

Ok good to know

issue is that obs just refuses to record hollow knight for some reason

[weary root]

Are you using game or window capture?

[icy marten]

I use "capture specific winodw", use "[hollow_knight.exe]: hollow knight"

And it just shows a black screen

[weary root]

Try using a game capture

There's reasons that either of them don't work but I can't remember

Usually switching to the other fixes it

[icy marten]

I am using game capture and not display capture

should I switch and see if it fixes itself?

[weary root]

You probably don't want display capture cause that will capture everything on your display

If you were using game capture then try a window capture

[icy marten]

In sources there is "Display capture" and "Game capture", where is "Window capture"?

[icy marten]

Ok I added it and selected hollow knight, but it shows my discord

Well I must leave for about 30 minutes, if anyone has an idea of what I am doing wrong please share! Thanks very much to those who already helped/tried to help me, I very much appreciate it!

[analog pawn]

Try launching obs as administrator

[icy marten]

Same issue, it still just captures discord instead of Hollow knight

[analog pawn]

idk why it would capture discord

[icy marten]

I closed OBS, closed discord, and reopend OBS as admin and it still captured discord

after I already closed it

[analog pawn]

can you send a screenshot of your scenes?

and other stuff

[icy marten]

Actually no, lightshoot/normal prtscrn go through OBS for reasons I don't dare ask

it doesnt actually capture discord, its a still image from half an hour ago

[analog pawn]

you could try asking in the speedrunning server, we have a tech-support channel there

more people that know should see it then

the server is pinned here

[icy marten]

Alright I found it, I'll try there

Thanks very much for the effort though!

[icy marten]

I have completed a run and want to submit it but don't understand the "Splits.io URL" requirment

[steady lynx]

It's not required, ignore it

[icy marten]

Ok great, thanks!

[icy marten]

How long should it take for a P1 run to get verified? I tried looking it up but couldn't really find a definetive answer(some places say 2-3 days, some up to 27 days....)

[normal aspen]

currently queue is at about 12 days, though that's been creeping down as we have recently added a new batch of verifiers

[icy marten]

Ok good to know, thanks!

[tardy lion]

Mods took the free money, smh…

[vagrant warren]

Didn't splits.io shut down? I'm surprised there's still a field at all

[loud hinge]

hey does anyone have a guide for the itemless baldur kill in the new any % wr with fury

Cant seem to find one anywhere

[turbid patio]

join discrod in pins

https://discord.com/channels/772964112908156938/1328843639983571055

then go here

and ask there/there is probably a guide there already idk

[static umbra]

There was also a short guide that was sent earlier here, which is the msg I’m replying to

[loud hinge]

Ok thank youuu

[loud hinge]

Oh thanks for this too !

[median wasp]

Sub 40!

[static umbra]

Damn is this fury route

[sturdy glade]

It is

[hidden sundial]

Very brave indeed

[magic garnet]

Yoo does anyone have some tips on speedrunning hollow knight I just started but I don’t know the routes and stuff

[vagrant warren]

You can join the discord in pins for resources including routes.

[stable quarry]

Is fury route fun?

[median wasp]

I like it, I was never that good at using Vengeful Spirit anyway. Ibaulder’s a pain though

[exotic wigeon]

its fun but the deaths in greenpath and city are quite frustrating sometimes

at least for me

[blazing crow]

oh boy

[median wasp]

Dying to downdash in city is the worst

[full blaze]

aanyone wana play a lockotu bingo

[icy marten]

Hey everyone! I am running individual pantheon runs and wanted to learn about nail turn-around cancels, I know the basics of why it works but couldn't find a guide on how to do it correctly anywhere, could someone help me?

[stable quarry]

Join the pinned server and go to #il-combat

[icy marten]

And ask about it there?

[analog pawn]

yeah

[icy marten]

Ok thanks!

[turbid patio]

hihi

if one wants to play bingy they shoudl join the hollow knight bingo server

would you like an invite

[stable quarry]

Yes

[thorn jasper]

Skate has been bopped on VS route by 1 second

[stiff frost]

can someone help me for setup pantheon autosplitter?

[vagrant wadi]

Does epogo work on version 1.4.3.2?

[digital thorn]

yeah but it's harder

can't pogo the explosion

[vagrant wadi]

Only the weird flying thing? Idk what it's called

[digital thorn]

yeah

that thing

[formal bough]

sporg projectiles (though people can just call the projectile the sporgs)

[glad haven]

ok um

https://youtube.com/shorts/prFMO2yYJHo?si=dXvIZ-Clad_z3Kol

what tf is this super slide

this cant be 1221 can it?

[formal bough]

From the comments, seems to be 1118

[glad haven]

Yea alright
Thx

I mean it makes sense but for a moment i hoped that this was another new discovery or smth

[exotic wigeon]

superslides are possible on 1221 (i think every patch but im not sure)

its frame perfect

and also its a major glitch which is why you wont see it used in nmg speedruns

[glad haven]

i see

Thanks for the info

[thorn jasper]

you can get premade splits at https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=p5 (click Generate then Download)

[lofty flare]

ew 211a smh

[exotic cave]

I saw something about the version to speedrun are we forced to be in a special version to do the acid skip I thought I saw this somewhere

[steady lynx]

Only such case I can think of is slopeball Isma's route which only works on 1.3+ since slopeball doesn't work the same before 1.3

[exotic cave]

but the acide skip is possible in any version

[stiff frost]

i can generate it but the run doesnt start the run automatically

[steady lynx]

If that's not it I'm not sure what you could be referring to, every other acid skip works the same on every version of the game to my knowledge

[sturdy glade]

We do 1221 for lever skips and dreamer cutscene skips and easier bosses and free inv drops and momentum wcs

[tough edge]

Yeah that’s what I was gonna say

[sturdy glade]

prove it

[stable quarry]

It got patched on 1315 I think it deffinitly doesn't work on 1432 though.

[exotic cave]

my run would be rejected if I have the skin mod ?

[vagrant warren]

No mods are allowed at all for most runs

[exotic cave]

okk

do u have a split file for the any% nmg that I can use

?

[vagrant warren]

you can download some from the website in pins

[echo coral]

Guys does anyone have a sheet or a split file for 112% speedrun

[weary root]

You can get route notes and splits from hksplitmaker, link in the pins ^

[exotic cave]

when I put hollow knight in the game name live split don't detect an auto splitter why (the activate button on the autosplitter can't be pressed)

and when I open the premade file of the speedrun it does the same

[weary root]

livesplit needs to be able to connect to the internet to download the autosplitter

if that's not the issue you can try running livesplit as administrator

[exotic cave]

yes it is what I did and it worked thank u

[exotic cave]

for the nmg categorie we can do it in every version it doesn't affect the gameplay right ?

[formal bough]

There are different leaderboards for different versions

As some version differences matter

But every version you're likely to have can be submitted to a leaderboard

(I suspect the "regular nail works like dream nail" version isn't a valid version for nmg)

[sturdy glade]

yeah you're limited on what edge case weird patches are allowed but like your main patches are all allowed

[sturdy glade]

yep 1211 is banned nmg

[formal bough]

both of them or just the bad one :)

[sturdy glade]

1211 B is banned, afaik you could do fake 1210 but like why

[exotic cave]

ok and is there a better version to run like the one with better stats (I really don't know about the speedrun it can be a silly question I am sorry if so)

[sturdy glade]

1221 is faster than the latest patch

[formal bough]

There are two leaderboards; the leaderboard which is primarily 1221 (since that's the fastest version), and the leaderboard which is primarily the latest patch

[sturdy glade]

due to a handful of differences

[formal bough]

Both of which are entirely reasonable choices to make

[sturdy glade]

isn't 1575 the fastest patch

[formal bough]

I thought all 1575 v 1578 is that 1575 has elevator storage?

[steady lynx]

We banned both 1211's just to be sure

There is a single run of 106% by Monstahler which used good 1211 which we allowed to stay

Nobody else ever did a run on 1211 before I found it again

[exotic cave]

so I should run in 1221

[steady lynx]

If your PC can run 1221 well enough, sure

[exotic cave]

and do u know how to switch version on steam ?

[steady lynx]

?tag betas

[river axle]

No tag betas found.

[formal bough]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides/jlten

[exotic cave]

thanks

[sturdy glade]

I think? but staxis did record on 1575 so

[steady lynx]

A lot of glitched runners just have 1575 as their only 1.5 patch, it's just more convenient

Even I do that, and I have like every patch before 1.5

[exotic cave]

do u have some advice for the acide skip it's so hard

[formal bough]

You're not using ismas while practicing right?

[exotic cave]

I do why 😅

[steady lynx]

Isma's makes it impossible to grab the wall

[exotic cave]

I was prety shure about that but a wanted to try

I felt that the acid grab me whith the ismas

[sturdy glade]

it quite literally does

you snap to acid when you have ismas

[turbid patio]

Its quite annoying

[formal bough]

That's a pretty good speedrun for 112%

especially if it's one of your first runs

[blissful plaza]

oh it’s steel soul btw

[spare cliff]

Oh damn congrats

[stable quarry]

I think a bunch of people just use 1578 as their modded patch. For rando and such. And since 1575 is besically the same thing there is no reason to have a secound 1578

A "bunch" because there are soo many glitched runners xD

[little geode]

https://youtu.be/G59XenTca3U look this

my english is bad,i am from brazil

I think this might help in a speedrun

wait for the video to finish

[formal bough]

if you're talking about moving around while your inventory is open, that's a major glitch and known

[turbid patio]

woooh major gliches

[little geode]

die moving is a speedrun trick?

[pseudo sluice]

I’m on console and I’m interested in speed running the game, does anyone speed run the game on current patch?

[stable quarry]

There are seperate boards for cp and some categories are only possible on cp like 112% apb

[sturdy glade]

ekkoet

Don't abbreviate current patch ekkoet

[lofty flare]

HAAANK

[turbid patio]

ewwwwwww cp

[stable quarry]

Why not? current patch is 12 letters way to long to write imo

[vagrant warren]

Latest patch is also only a 2 letter abbreviation, one that isn't shared by a certain illegal abuse

[stable quarry]

I feel like I am missing something..

[vagrant warren]

Cp is short for something I will not spell out for you

[stable quarry]

I just abriviated current patch because they where asking about current patch in the message.

[blazing crow]

i hate how badly i wanna race someone but i just know i'd get crushed

[stable quarry]

It is still fun even if you get crushed imo. I joined a tornament where I lost every single match still had a blast personally.

[blazing crow]

yeah

but like i still can't do a majority of skips

the best i feel i've pulled off is blue lake shade skip

like over all for skips

[hidden sundial]

I never played an Any% race, but yeah, most active racers completely butcher me. The only context a tournament race of mine would be fun to watch is if I get a PB

[sly shard]

Im new to speedrunning but I’m thinking about starting on switch as I’ve already gotten the achievements for beating the game quick and found it really fun. I’m curious to know if there is any major differences between a standard run and a run on latest patch on switch, for example the lever skip (I think) before watchers

[median wasp]

There’s quite a few differences between 1221 and lp. The optimal route is different, and a bunch of skips don’t exist. If you go into the pinned server, you can get detailed on the 1221 route, and the lp routes

[stable quarry]

There might be some small differences betwen lp and switch to because switch is timed rta raiter than lrt

[turbid patio]

If you have the option to dont start on swithc, or any console really imho, rta is horrible and like ig no downpatching and otehr stuff if you like 1221 and stuff ew

also practicing sucks no debug ew

[stable quarry]

Also switch has horrible input delay which makes speedrunning less fun.'

[sly shard]

All I have right now is switch so I’ll work with what I have. Thank yall for the information though. I look forward to running the game

[hot maple]

did y'all know that if you spam inventory before losing control in bosses like The Collector or Dung Defender where you lose control at the start of the fight

I noticed that in regular runs people gain early control by taking damage but in hitless pantheon runs people just wait for the scream animation to finish

I accidentally found it out last summer and wanted to let others know

[sacred thunder]

yeah this is known, its called inventory scream skips and iirc you can simply trigger it by being in inventory when the scream is happening and leaving inventory
it is banned in the no major glitches ruleset which is why you don't see it used

[hot maple]

okay thanks

[sacred thunder]

would be kinda lame when compared to the risk/reward you get with damage tank scream skips
would also remove the need for skill required by those

[hot maple]

so that's why it's a major glitch

I was kinda confused for a sec why it's a major glitch when it's really simple

[formal bough]

I mean also using the inventory to gain control is generally a bad move

[steady lynx]

Finally

It's been so long since someone found inventory scream skips

[stable quarry]

Can someone find dreamgate scream skips now?

[sturdy glade]

Dream gate damage skip

[weary root]

Simplicity doesn't define a major glitch, impact does

And for some reason "it feels glitchy"

#unbaninvisiblecontrol

[turbid patio]

#unbantelevator

[lethal basalt]

Does NKG not count for 112% APB?

[wraith trellis]

you fight him in p5 either way, and banishing is faster

[lethal basalt]

I never banished him, doesn't that just remove him from p4/p5?

[formal bough]

nope

[wraith trellis]

NKG never shows up in p4 and always in p5, no matter if you banish or not

[lethal basalt]

Interesting, so GPZ is the only one who can not show up?

[surreal mirage]

yay I did my first "speedrun" of hollow knight

any% for 2h30m

Now I'll try to do it faster 🙂

[turbid patio]

yo good job

[maiden umbra]

Is this of any use? You will be forced into Crystal Dashing, upon fully charging it, if you're on the edge of a platform

[weary root]

Yeah this is known, don't know if it gets very much use cause it's generally better to cdash further, so going over to the edge loses time.
It's actually a problem if you're charging a cdash on, for example, the elevator going up to crystal peak . Have to charge it slightly away from the edge or you leave before you want to

[west wadi]

What would yall think if any% nmg hit split into 2 subcategories based on if there was VS or not?

[analog pawn]

We are currently talking about doing this

[weary root]

I would hate it

[analog pawn]

I would mildly dislike it

[steady lynx]

I'd think it's a pretty stupid decision only fuelled by boomers being too nostalgic to let go of a route that they see as "more fun"

[idle cypress]

I would also dislike it

[hidden sundial]

Having the itemless baldur flag is more than enough distintion IMO.

[steady lynx]

It's mostly up on discussion since CC said, seemingly because he didn't think it'd happen, that if anyone beat skate's 31:24 with VS route he'd make it a separate category

[sturdy glade]

zvy is unfortunately cracked as hell

[worthy girder]

Any one know how can i download 1.2.2.1 hk cracked

[steady lynx]

[vagrant warren]

If you want to downpatch you'll need a legal Steam copy of the game

[worthy girder]

How can i get legal copy

[hidden sundial]

By buying it on Steam

[worthy girder]

I cant git it for free

Cracked or something like that

??

[hidden sundial]

That would not be a legal copy

?tag pirate

[river axle]

**If your game is cracked / pirated **

• Piracy is not supported in most communities for games (including this one), and discussing it is against Discord Community Guidelines. Mods are not considered compatible with pirated copies, and you will not get troubleshooting support in any of the main community servers for them.
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• If you do not have a supported version, then please get one and then you will get support with modding the game. Asking for assistance with unsupported versions may result in moderation action.
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[turbid patio]

That would be so pk the coloum it has atm is more than enogh already

[sacred thunder]

For how much this is a topic that is pushed forward by people that are afraid of change
the argument does kinda make sense, at the end of the day many people speedrun things because it is fun and they like the objectives. Speedrunning for the most part follow a self imposed ruleset, if people want to play under the self imposed ruleset of "get VS" and want to be ranked with this rule set then why not.
As long as people actually do play with that ruleset, cuz if they don't then why make it ?
the technicalities on how to implement it on the board are complicated for sure

[lofty flare]

I think the issue then comes from needing different patches & device subcats for each of them

[turbid patio]

I think the issue is that's stupid and ewwwwww

[narrow belfry]

Hi guys

[thick atlas]

not kind of an actual speedrun but is 90% in 47h a good time? as of a first save

[weary root]

If you're happy with it, it's good

[open mica]

are you asking if that's a speedrun?

nvm didn't read the first part of the sentence

[thick atlas]

definitely not as the wr is like 40 minutes, i'm just saying is it a decent time for the first time playing?

[open mica]

it takes on average 45 hours to 112%

[thick atlas]

oh lol

[narrow belfry]

I think its good my friend did 91% in 50hours

[open mica]

as a casual first save

some people do it in 60h, some in 30h

id say 45h is average

[narrow belfry]

Yeah

Guys i did a 1hour and 15min speedrun on switch do you think thats good

[gentle bay]

hello

is there any tips for getting the speedrun 1 and 2 achievements in one go

so basically beat the game in under 5 hours

I started earlier and I got mantis claw in about 20 minutes (keep in mind I suck at the game)

[weary root]

There's a guide in the pinned message of this channel ^

Nevermind it got removed for some reason?

?tag speedrun

[river axle]

No tag speedrun found.

[weary root]

?tag srpsa

[river axle]

No tag srpsa found.

[weary root]

Mannn

[wraith trellis]

It's still pinned

[weary root]

Oh

Mobile discord is such trash

[wraith trellis]

Pins on mobile discord suck yeah

[weary root]

Shows half the message

[novel mango]

tap it tho

[narrow belfry]

Guys do you think a 1.15 hour is good

[vagrant warren]

If you're happy with it, it's good

[narrow belfry]

I wnat to do in sub 1h

[vagrant warren]

Then just keep practicing. You'll get there

[narrow belfry]

Ok

I wanna do 5th pantheon hitless but when you get lifeblood masks and than take damage it still counts?

[weary root]

Yes

Getting hit counts as a hit

[narrow belfry]

Lol

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure 45h is average casual first any%

[median wasp]

My first casual play through for 1st ending was 50h or so

[knotty fiber]

So, uhm...
Time losses, am I right?
-# I know nothing about HK speedrunning but I love speedruns in general, lol

[narrow belfry]

Yes

[sturdy glade]

you are right

[sand hazel]

real

[turbid patio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFnc00wpAPg

@desert flicker

[crisp ruin]

My first casual blind playthrough got 112% in 63 hours. Is that good?

[agile light]

Yes

[still lodge]

is this ok for my first run ||in the last 3 months|| ?

[steady lynx]

No, be faster next time

[crisp ruin]

Thank you. I just got into hollow knight and started a new save file after this.

The part that took the longest was grubs. Have any tips?

[steady lynx]

Realistically for grubs it's easiest to just remember how many are in each area and keeping count
Or just mark them off a list

Collector's map exists if you like using the map to actually look at the map i guess

[crisp ruin]

This grub took me a while to find. I didn't really know how to get it. I had to watch a vid. Any tips for how to find this grub easier.

Also I have crossroads and Ancient Basin grubs memorized

[steady lynx]

Is that the one in Hive

[crisp ruin]

Yeah

[steady lynx]

Honestly, I have no idea how Team Cherry expected people to find it casually

The easiest method would probably be going up the right wall, doing a cdash and then a wings jump into the hole

[crisp ruin]

Ok thanks. Maybe after I try to do godhome i will go for another 112

or an any%

[winged cipher]

Yo I wana do a all achievements run, is there like a route I can find somewhere or am I gonna have to improvise on the get go ? (I’m not trying to get a record, just finishing a run first)

Well by looking better at my screen I got my answers like a big boi nvm

[stable quarry]

https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=all-achievements

https://pastebin.com/GCEmtF8b

[worn smelt]

Hey all, I don't know if anyone has mentioned this before, but if you are using a controller on PC, the keyboard is still able to accept inputs too. This means you can reliably instawings by jumping on controller and keyboard near simultaneously, and might be able to use a USB keyboard to instawings with your feet

[turbid patio]

This is known yeah

[stable quarry]

Is that legal though?

Iirc having 2 jump buttons isn't allowed

[turbid patio]

I would presume so

Oh maybe not the onstawings bit

But l+r needs analogue which is either using a controller or overbind and it's legal

[sturdy glade]

You can have 2 jump buttons

[turbid patio]

Instawinfs ate free anyway ,,,

[stable quarry]

No they are not

[sturdy glade]

just jump and jump again

ninstas are crazy tho

[turbid patio]

Depends

With qs they are free

And turnaround ninstas are also fine

Normal ninstas are crazy tho it took me so long to learn

[sturdy glade]

Yeah qs isnt a real charm

[thorn jasper]

yes it is

[full blaze]

Bingo race anyone?

[turbid patio]

hi hi

if one wants to play bingo they should join the dedicated bingo discord iirc (granted its vanilla bingo) would you like an invite?

[full blaze]

sure

[lethal basalt]

Is there a way to manipulate the RNG in p5 to get the most favorable run possible? I'm assuming ths TAS does it to even be considered legit, but is that replicable?

[marsh quiver]

Gotten speedrun 1 and 2 🙏

[steady lynx]

No, not even a little bit human viable

[lethal basalt]

A shame, seems like there's no way to cheese p5 without game breaking glitches

[lofty flare]

No

And I don’t mean “no it’s frame perfect”

It’s not doable

Rng calls from Unity random pull from the system time

Also, TAS doesn’t know what rng we’re going to get

We either manually edit the files or brute force tf out of it

And if any inputs are even a frame off, the RNG breaks

This is the long version of Gusten’s message but yeah there’s no way

[steady lynx]

Calling dgate invuln game breaking is honestly adorable

That shit is nothing

[idle cypress]

there is a way. It's called flukenest

[tardy lion]

Flukenest is a game breaking glitch

[sturdy glade]

tbh yeah

[steady lynx]

I can confirm, flukenest breaks a lot of stuff

[hazy panther]

is there a place where you can download someone elses splits for 112% so I don't need to create them from scratch

[median wasp]

Link to Hollow Knight Split Maker, an online tool for downloading pre-made splits for most categories and making your own.
https://hksplitmaker.com/

It’s in pinned messages if you ever need it in the future

[hazy panther]

thanks a lot.

[knotty fiber]

Am I delusional for wanting to speedrun the game even tho I haven't beaten it yet? - w-

[static umbra]

well u dont have to do full game runs

there are plenty of categories that dont involve beating the game

[knotty fiber]

Touch grass%

Cutting grass as fast as possible

[static umbra]

that is a thing but i wouldnt recommend doing that

[hazy panther]

I just tried 112% for the first time without really knowing the route. Haven't really speedrun anything at all, but used splits to guide my way. 5.30h I don't think that's too bad.

[sinful herald]

i got a new speedrun pr yay

1h 49m not super impressive but i’m proud of myself

[pulsar obsidian]

whats ur route ?

i got 3h 45 last time i tried

[icy marten]

This is probably a pretty dumb question, but what would you say is imprissive/worth giving someone the title "High level runner"? I recently got a new PB in the Pantheon of the master catagory and submited it but I don't know how proud to be/how hard it actually is

[analog pawn]

What matters is how happy you are with your achievement. I don't compare much to other people except if they run at a level I am aiming towards reaching. What a high level runner is depends on the category and many other things, hard to give an easy answer

[icy marten]

Yeah I thought so too, I just don't really know if what I did is something I should feel proud about or not. I got 55th place, which idk if its considered "good" or impressive. On one hand its kind of cool, on the other its not even in the 20th percentile so its probably not really interesting, idk. As I said its kind of a dumb question

[hidden sundial]

I mean, it's not answerable in a unique way, since only you know when you'll feel proud of a run or not. I personally was proud when I got my first sub 50 any%, though I knew I can do better. I feel like I'd be happy enough with a good sub-45, even if it's nowhere close to the top.

[icy marten]

I see, thanks for the prespectives everyone! I think it helped a bit

[sturdy glade]

I'm not gonna send it but fwiw we have a copypasta ironically pointing out that there is no objective good or bad metric beyond competing with yourself

[steady lynx]

If you compare to only people who have done the run your run ends up looking not amazing
If you compare to every person who has ever played HK your run ends up looking amazing

[sturdy glade]

So you compare to the only person that really lines up with the time you've committed, yourself

[steady lynx]

Or if you seek to improve from where you're at you can set a goal time or placement to strive for

[viral obsidian]

hello guys couldn't find the controls of Monsta or Nebula so come to ask here, what are their controls if u guys have the data

[inner robin]

do not use nebulas controls

[steady lynx]

Nebula's controls are fucked up

[viral obsidian]

oh?

[steady lynx]

Monstah uses default keyboard layout, which is also somehow questionable

[inner robin]

#hk-discussion message

nebulas controls

tbh just use what works for you i use nearly default and i feel very comfy with it

[viral obsidian]

[steady lynx]

Does he know that he has four fingers on his left hand

[inner robin]

i just have a as quick cast, shift as focus and f for inventory for drops

[viral obsidian]

that's some weird controls

and funi little keyboard

[steady lynx]

@warm dawn we're calling you out again

And not for playing League this time

[inner robin]

im also like not a speedrunner and not nebula or monstah but like uhh :3

idk i think most people would just say use what works for you

[steady lynx]

Idk I just play on controller and it somehow works

[inner robin]

sob

[steady lynx]

Every generation of glitched runners needs one person who plays on controller for some reason

[inner robin]

bro trains his fingers running hk

[inner robin]

i have a 3:2x 112apb i think thats like almost wr!!

[steady lynx]

I heard that sub 3:20 is possible with fury strats

[inner robin]

no way…

could probably do fury bc i lived in godhome for a while tbh

my ow movement SUCKS and like i never really learned most of the rooms

[steady lynx]

Why learn rooms? Just improvise everything, if your improvising loses time you can just do it differently next time for free timesave

[inner robin]

real..

i dont get how 1xx runners practice like every fucking ow room like what

thats a lot of rooms,

[steady lynx]

A lot of rooms are extremely easy to do optimally

[viral obsidian]

fr restarting HK I don't even know with what keybind I was playing before

(changed PC)

[inner robin]

thats fair ig

my brain is just like weird and gets fixated on random rooms and then i cant practice anything else

[steady lynx]

I wonder which room 112 visits the most times

[inner robin]

godhome

[steady lynx]

Probably King's station or Town

[inner robin]

:3

probably kings yeah

[steady lynx]

The main Godhome room is loaded 7 times during the run if I count right

[inner robin]

wdym 7 isnt it just entry then 4 panths

[steady lynx]

Enter Godhome, quitout after removing seals on P1-3, then after leaving P1, P2, P3, P4 and then another quitout after hitting the orb

[inner robin]

oh is that new

[steady lynx]

Quitout after Orb is kinda old, the one after unlock p1-3 was kinda recent

[inner robin]

how does it save time

[steady lynx]

They get to keep the movement charms until after the quitout and skip the animation for the seal being removed on P3

[inner robin]

ahh

[steady lynx]

Dashmaster and sharp shadow are good for moving fast, but quite awful for combat

[inner robin]

sharp shadow is free dmg,,,

[steady lynx]

It's great for combat if you hate having high dps

[still lodge]

finally someone said it tbh

its completely unreasonable to have to learn this many rooms

i just vibe until someone yells at me for doing it wrong !!

[inner robin]

based asf

[runic laurel]

Been trying to get better not like hardcore good but I wanna do the speedrun two and steel heart achievements at the same time any tips for early game watchers? I don’t really know super complicated tactics or anything just simple like 100 hrs of gameplay stuff

[still lodge]

;any

shit

go to the pinned server and type ;any

[inner robin]

tbh just get descending dark and use it a lot

[stable quarry]

You can pretty comfortably get shaman and ddark for watchers if you want an easy fight while still not loosing much time compared to the 5 hour time limit

Basically what Eloki said lol

[inner robin]

yeah wk has like 1k geo behind including the relic but other than that you can just do lurien whenever if you’re also going for 100

if you dont know where to use dreamgate just set it at kings station its like the hub for everything

oh i misread

uhh yeah the 5 hour time limit lets you get some gear for bosses anyway id say like ddark is really good if you struggle with thk and watchers

[runic laurel]

I’ve never grabbed dark prior i usually quickly grab c dash and then menu reset to kings for ismas and broken

I’ll try that tonight

I wanna perfect achievement hollow knight before silk song comes out lol

[stable quarry]

GL

You could also get flukenest which 2 shots wk iirc

[inner robin]

so true!

[steady lynx]

You could also get flukenest which kills all 6 WK in 2 shots

[runic laurel]

That’s true but don’t you need to get the double tap?

[stable quarry]

Only one double and one single if you have shadesoul flukenest and shaman. Without shaman you'll need both doubles.
Though I don't think getting doubles are an big issue on wk

[solar zenith]

Any tips /skips for p5 run?

Shuu doesn't care bout ag

[stable quarry]

Skips?

[solar zenith]

Like scream skip stuff

Inventory skip

Whtver it's called

shuu just lost a 26min run to PV.

Sub 25-20 is possible maybe

[runic laurel]

Usually I go into watchers with 6 masks one nail upgrade shaman and steady lol

I get 3 of em down and just turn to ash

[stable quarry]

Why do you not have fragile heart on?

[stable quarry]

Does this mean you only care about nmg or does it mean your willing to use glitches? Seems unclear to me

[upper dune]

Yallo. Can i have some help wjth smth? I'm not a speedrunner, but I wanna get both first steelsoul run and sub 5hr run in one go, and i haven't really been planning up until after getting to city quirrel bench. I got dive, on my way to peaks to get cdash and ddark then resting grounds. But how do i get to spire from resting grounds?

I also don't have king's station, only store rooms. Not that it helps since storerooms means i have to go to waterways...

Wait, elevator from grave. I'm sorry for typing so much only to remember that

[stable quarry]

You can go down trough crypts which is right under the tree

[inner robin]

from resting grounds you csn dive into crypts

fuck

then go left to elevator

[runic laurel]

Didn’t get the 2nd extra slot on my endeavor

I get the one from the mushrooms in fungal but usually use my coins on lantern and mask shards

[stable quarry]

Overcharm heart

[solar zenith]

uhh... shuu just needs best timing.
nmg doesn't matter.
hence why shu uses inventory scream skip instead of dmg scream skip.

[upper dune]

Yee. Thanks still tho. Uh... what about a shortcut or skip from cdash to crystal mound?

[runic laurel]

Wouldn’t that make me die in 4 hits anyway

Which I die in 6 normally

[stable quarry]

Yeah

[solar zenith]

@stable quarry if it's fine w u.
can u tell shuu what's CLP5!?

[stable quarry]

It's just p5 without any charms

Charm less p5

[stable quarry]

So you basically just go back from cdash then down untill you can go right then you end up at crystalized mound

I knew crystal mound sounded weird

[upper dune]

Well, it's one of the locations not shortened despite how long the name is, so why not make a change in the world?

Anyways, thanks, and imma go back to the run

[stable quarry]

Then we would call it cmound surely like cdash

[upper dune]

Got dashmaster and soul catcher on witn only 4 nothces...