speedrunning

[steady lynx]

I'm in denial so I'll not admit that anything is harder on controller, but some may say it's easier on keyboard

Mainly with socd cleaner

[wild axle]

Im trying to do Failed Champion but I dont know anyways to get claw that dont have a Fireball skip involved so

[steady lynx]

It hurts to admit, but doing slopeball to Fungal might be easier, but that's also difficult

HoG order is kinda funny since it means all the dream warriors are after eachother

[wild axle]

Can you do the crystal heart parkour section without claw or dash

I know you can without dash

but can you without claw

[steady lynx]

Not without major glitches

[wild axle]

is there a way to get to deepnest quickly

[lofty flare]

fastest way is fungal, unfortunately

[finite bane]

why the unfortunately 💀

[wide nest]

Sry for asking this but I got hollow knight using the Xbox app since it’s on gamepass does that mean I can’t downpatch to 1.22.1?

[weary root]

Yeah gamepass can't downpatch

[analog pawn]

We have different leaderboards for latest patch runs though so you can submit runs to that

[wide nest]

K ty can you do acid skip on current patch? With Crystal dash

[vagrant warren]

Yes

[tulip terrace]

I'm trying to get the LiveSplit autosplitter to work, however I get an error when I hit activate:
"The Auto Splitter could not be activated. (The given key was not present in the dictionary.)"

I tried to google this error but came up with nothing, so I appreciate any help you guys can give me

My game is on v1.5.78.11833

[spring flicker]

What upgrades/movement thingies do I need to reach herrah

[vagrant warren]

For what category? All you technically need is claw but it's not going to be an easy journey

[spring flicker]

Idk I’m try to start speedrunning but there arnt many guides for people like me

Their either crazy any% nmg wr routes or chill 5 hour aceivement routes

[vagrant warren]

Almost every category has a guide, and almost ever advanced strat has an easier alternative backup.

If you're looking to an alternative for something specific I'd suggest asking in the speedrun server in pins

[wild axle]

Do yall use this in speedruns?

(I have not fought Hornet on this save before this)

[formal bough]

in general having the soul to deal damage is more useful

[steady lynx]

1xx runs usually do this since Fury is above average

[analog pawn]

yeah 1xx runs have started doing a higher soul moss knight kill specifically to do this

but in other categories it is faster to just keep the soul

[spring flicker]

I need help with a route

I wanna get dash and claw with any% nmg route then go to the charm shop to get shaman stone and sly then go to city through crest doorway then go to fight soul master for the dive

But I’m bad

So are there any easy mask shards before that fight along the way?

Or should I do city last and focus on the other dreamers first?

[thorn jasper]

you can look up where the mask shards are on the wiki and plan around those. easy ones off the top of my head include crossroads goam room, grub father at 5 grubs, sly at 150 geo, queen's station, and bretta's house

[spring flicker]

Ty

Where should I go after city of tears I have dive, dash, and claw

[analog pawn]

probably crystal peak for cdash

[spring flicker]

Ok that’s what I thought made sense, ty

Which opening needs dive to enter?

There’s 3

[analog pawn]

the one with myla

with the egg on the map

[spring flicker]

Thanks

[spring flicker]

I need help killing the enemy in the crystal peaks dark room. What one shots him?

I’m on switch btw and don’t have any fancy mods to help

[steady lynx]

Shaman VS sometimes double hits, but it's not guaranteed

Probably shoot two fireballs at it

[spring flicker]

Ok and where is it when I spawn in? Do I just jump and shoot?

Full jump?

[steady lynx]

One moment

[spring flicker]

I can never seem to hit him

[steady lynx]

It needs dash and cdash though

[spring flicker]

U don’t need cdash

[steady lynx]

I know, but this is the easiest way I know of

Except maybe noclip dash storage

[spring flicker]

It’s just a combination of jump dash, dash, and forward dash

So u suggest getting cdash first?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, at least if you're going for DDark

[spring flicker]

Ok

[steady lynx]

I'm not even sure if I could get to DDark without cdash, kinda wanna try that

[spring flicker]

Oh I’m dumb cdash is way faster

[spring flicker]

With full soul and 5 masks I think you could do it without a tutorial

Just reaction time

[steady lynx]

Okay, the gap is way smaller than I thought

Easiest jump ever

[spring flicker]

Easy

[steady lynx]

Oh, the dark room isn't difficult, I can do that in my sleep

[wise ferry]

oh that jump yeah it's 🍰. one fb or wraiths is more than enough. even a great slash

[steady lynx]

Yeah, I kinda wonder if I could use QoL map airstall to do it, but don't have that mod

I know homothety supposedly did Queen's Station skip with QoL map airstall

[wide ingot]

are playstation controllers good?

[steady lynx]

Somewhat

Here's my favourite shade skip in the game btw

[weary root]

That's a cool shade skip! It would be even cooler if you got to do it twice

[steady lynx]

Yes, but the 2nd time you have to do it without a shade, but with two copies of the room

It's probably actually possible to do it with one room and no shade, but I'd have to be good for that

[weary root]

[steady lynx]

This is what I do instead of learning how to do MMS, the real reason I don't run AGAG

[spring flicker]

I’m just skipping dive upgrade it’s way to annoying to get

I’m not doing 3 hours of parkour

Why is it so hard to get?

[lofty flare]

gustne you didnt know about this?

[steady lynx]

Why would I have ever had to jump that

It's not like it's in any category

[spring flicker]

I feel so bad skipping ddive when it’s right there but crystal dark room and then the parkour is too much for me

Is there any way to make it easier?

Like it’s right there but if I fail it’s a massive time loss and I’ll probably fail it quite a bit

[stuck raptor]

Get lantern

[compact ledge]

Yo I'm trying to get through p5 quickly. Do you guys know if TC fixed flukenest's spaghetti code or does it still have gimmicks like lingering hitboxes?

[weary root]

The lingering hitboxes still exist on current patch but flukes often aren't faster unless you know what you're doing.
If you're just trying to beat it fast casually I'd probably recommend not using flukes
If you want to learn and practice speed strats you should join the speedrunning server which is linked in the pins^

[fallen sierra]

If I pick up fury during a any % is it worth it or is the time loss to much?

[analog pawn]

With the normal any% route it does not save enough to be worth it

[wide nest]

Any tips for nmg current patch I’m new to speed running but it looks fun and no I’m not doing new e pogo I’m not good enough for that

[thorn jasper]

any%? if you're not gonna do epogo definitely don't do isma route, it's super hard. cdash route is fine and then you can go through deepnest instead of doing qga

[maiden dawn]

can someone send me a 112% route without skips

[vagrant warren]

112 doesn't really have many skips? Theres epogo which you can just walk around the normal way, and I can't really think of anything else offhand. But in any case for routing I'd suggest joining the speedrun server in pins

[thorn jasper]

there's isma skips

and green path fireball skip I guess

[maiden dawn]

my friend sent me one and it has the city of tears broken elevator skip and some othjer weird skips

i just want a route that i can follow to enjoyably get 112% without playing for 50h

[stuck raptor]

Just having a map open and knowing where everything is should be enough to get 112 in like 10-15 hours

Being lost and not knowing where to go is the biggest time loss for sure.

[vagrant warren]

Ah true, Ismas you can just take the vanilla route tho, it's right there. I was trying to think of things that were super sequence break-y like shade skips or something. Greenpath t here's Erik for backup & honestly I guess that's a skip but it's not in my h ead

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. If it's your first playthrough, it's supposed to be long ... you can do what you want of course but if you're following any kind of route you're going to miss out on a lot. There's so much more to the game than just things that give %.

[spring flicker]

Is it easy/possible with out crazy skips, to get to herrah the dreamer from mantis lords entrance with only claw and dash?

[tall geode]

I think so, but you’ll need lantern because there’s lots of dark rooms

[vagrant warren]

there are 3 dark rooms. Not really that bad if you know them but definitely a consideration.

[spring flicker]

Are there lots of enemies in the dark rooms?

[steel igloo]

Hello everyone, I'm new here. Are there any fairly experienced Any% runners around?

I have an extremely specific question, and I figure they're my best bet

[steady lynx]

I have almost no experience in any% NMG, but I can probably answer the question

[vagrant warren]

Ping isnt necessary thanks. And there are some enemies but not many

[formal bough]

don't ask to ask, just post the question and if anybody knows the answer they can answer

[steel igloo]

Okie dokie, what determines how Watcher Knights interact with the walls? Most of the time they stop rolling at the edge of the arena, but occasionally they bounce off the wall with a ton of force and roll back towards the center of the arena. As far as I can tell, there's no way to tell when it'll happen, but I hope I'm wrong.

It happens very occasionally with bouncing rolls too. I'm not sure if the rate is actually lower, or if it's just a byproduct of bounces reaching the wall less often. I assume it's the latter.

[forest shale]

are nail turnaround cancels worth the effort?

[analog pawn]

I am not sure about this actually, I usually just react to what they do at the wall, worth noting that a bounce attack up against the wall without bouncing of it is what will give a glitced bounce after, on 1221 at least, not sure after

your best bet to learn when they will bounce of a wall would be to ask in the pinned server

there are a few people there that I think would know

[lofty flare]

no

they can save a couple frames but they arent consistent in any way RTA

[analog pawn]

I assumed they meant for qs

in which case they are worth in top level runs

[steady lynx]

<@&283547423706447872>

I wonder if sending them in waves is more efficient

[eternal pulsar]

is 20 minutes for shade cloak good?

[stuck raptor]

Sure

[grim bluff]

since yall are experienced and im... not

when, if ever, will a sub-25 happen? would it require a route change or is the current optimal

[steady lynx]

In what category

[grim bluff]

any%

oh dam

wrong one

[steady lynx]

The any% WR is 4:29.340, which already is under 25 minutes

[grim bluff]

oh wait

[grim bluff]

all glitches right

[steady lynx]

yes

[grim bluff]

ok

[steady lynx]

If you mean NMG

[grim bluff]

yes

sry

[steady lynx]

I have doubts about sub 31 even being human viable with current strats, and for a reroute to save 6+ minutes on an already short category would require something that'd probably not be allowed in NMG

[grim bluff]

hm

thanks for answering

[earnest crow]

question, does anyone know the charm loadout for p5 speedruns?

[stiff moss]

no but i think they just go full nail, with fury

[lofty flare]

quickslash, strength, steady body, fury, NMG, flukes

[jolly hill]

Jokes on you
I screwed up
I can never get unbreakable strength 😭

[stiff moss]

just play steel soul and it wont matter

[lofty flare]

doesnt break in pantheons

also you would probably use a 5 hp gh file or health binding

[lofty flare]

@earnest crow this is with 5 hp or health binding to get to fury fast

5hp is faster iirc

[earnest crow]

Thank you : )

[lofty flare]

yw!

[jolly hill]

it doesn't?

well that's good to know

[spring flicker]

What are the 3 easiest mask shards to get before uumuu

I’m going dash, claw, city of tears crest entrance, crystal peaks, then uumuu

The ones I can think of are brooding mawlerk, the 2 from sly, the one with parkour in crossroads and the grubfather one

[stiff moss]

queens station

ig

thats the onbly one off the top of my head

[thorn jasper]

there's also rescuing Beretta which isn't too bad

[forest shale]

are nail turnaround cancels worth the effort?

[analog pawn]

For pantheon speedruns they are worth it once you are going for really good times, probably not before that. But if you find them fun you can do them anyways

[tardy lion]

question: in bosses that spawn creature (such as zote), would 'breaking' the creature's ai count against the 'no breaking boss ai' rule?

specifically, the collector's vengeflies stop moving after 100 seconds, and zote can spawn a jumping zoteling inside the wall

would using either of these disqualify a run?

[thorn jasper]

unsure, but I'm curious what advantage this could give you

[analog pawn]

I am quite sure both of these would be legal, if you were to go out of your way to get them it surely loses time in like all cases anyways, except maybe low% ge?

[tardy lion]

the collector is for low% ge, zote was just an example

thanks btw

[tranquil sonnet]

what patch is the best for speedrunning any% no glitches? i forgot

[thorn jasper]

1.2.2.1

[tranquil sonnet]

ty

just learning controller for the first time

always played on kb but people say speedrunning is easier on controller

[vagrant warren]

not really true. There are top level players on keyboard, controller & box

It depends what you're personally comfortable with

Also worth mentioning if your PC can't handle 1221 (as it's very poorly optimized) the latest patch boards are sepearate and also quite competetive

[tranquil sonnet]

no my pc handles it just fine when i did a quick run some time ago

but ´that wasnt the any% route so is there some parts of that run thall require my pc to handle more?

n damn your really active youve been active in this Discord when i started play hk some time ago

is there any guides on the route i should learn n is it possible to install mods to help me with learning on 1.2.2.1?

[vagrant warren]

There's nothing particularly special in the route, if your pc handles the regular game well you should be fine.

You can use debug mod for savestates & other things like infinite soul that can help with practicing tricks. For guides I'd suggest joining the speedrun server in pins for the most up to date info

[tranquil sonnet]

okay ill join that ty very much

Do u know where i can download debug mod n the other mods from?

[vagrant warren]

?tag 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)
• Resources Repo

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[vagrant warren]

There's alsoa resources github linked in the speedrun server, that I think has some save states & stuff

[tranquil sonnet]

Appreciate it

[tawdry haven]

does anybody have a route for te low%

[plucky birch]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-hollow-knight-mkk300-gif-20700164

[analog pawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774366202222870528/1266413415522373653/Soul_master_quick_kill.mp4?ex=66a50ee7&is=66a3bd67&hm=27bee485e283ce795c1a3c69e44f27214917e470faf96198e0c0118a621323cd&

styling on soulmaster

[charred onyx]

Is 36:15 good for a all glitches run

Lrt

[thorn jasper]

WR is less than five minutes, so there's definitely a lot of room for improvement! "good" is subjective, just keep improving and having fun

if you want to see where you'd rank on the leaderboard: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=Any-all-glitches&x=02q8o4p2-yn2p3085.zqod92p1

[tardy lion]

I think Skurry did it

https://youtu.be/gXjYs7-rydA?si=gBHTnpeLO5Dk1gKD

https://youtu.be/UGPOg94J8UU?si=IMszi0CuBjYoLaRo

Wouldn’t recommend, but if you have the patience to kill bees for 40 hours then have fun

[lofty flare]

do dropless (aka good)

[tawdry haven]

killing bees surely fun

[tawdry haven]

aight tysm ill look into it (and see if I'll do it or not)

[dusty dagger]

oswald speedrunning??!

[tawdry haven]

maybe...

if I ever get motivation to do so

[steady lynx]

Sorry Nix, but you have to learn that there's a certain crowd who'd rather consider the bee thing than running an actually fun and potentially competitive category

[tardy lion]

What does dropless mean?

[steady lynx]

No random essence drops

It's mainly funny since you fight WD with almost nothing

Not a lot of categories get to do low equip WD

[tardy lion]

How would you do it without random essence?
Wasn’t the whole reason for killing the bees that almost all essence is locked behind % ?

[steady lynx]

Yeah that's the point

Get the required essence in the lowest % possible without relying on random drops

It's mostly just to make a category that people who actually run the game will actually want to run

[tardy lion]

Oh

[rapid nest]

dropless doesn't fight WD, it's lost kin, failed champion, no eyes, markoth, and galien

[steady lynx]

Oh, route changes

Oh no, No Eyes

[lofty flare]

oh right

forgot that new speedrunners don't know what good categories look like

good cats like AS NMMS

[analog pawn]

AS NMMS is a pain though

one day I will do it and not just decide to start running nmg instead :)

[steady lynx]

AS NMMS while being the best NMMS category is also the worst one

Well, moreso hardest one

If we ignore the one we don't speak of

[dense wigeon]

Low% Godhome

Be like

[steady lynx]

I can't find it on src

And low% GE NMMS would not really be hard in the slightest

At least until we figure out how to do the theoretical skip

@rapid nest did you run Low% GE NMMS or Low% GE AG?

I imagine they're almost the exact same thing

[dense wigeon]

Well if you can do p5 unupgraded nail spelles no charms it's a piece of cake

[steady lynx]

Yeah, just takes a bit

[lofty flare]

I feel like rose asked me about that once

What it is again?

[steady lynx]

On 1424 its technically possible to hit the Orb in Godhome that opens the path to p5 without beating the other pantheons

Issue is that the Orb only exists for a very short amount of time as the room loads

The variant is hitting the load up, but it also only exists for a moment

[lofty flare]

I see

Would you like me to attempt to TAS it?

[steady lynx]

We're working on finding a strat that'd even potentially work, once we have one you can tas it

Or Lotad

We had a theory of using a fake bench or hardsave, but the only two options that maybe worked ran into walls

[versed gull]

Hello everyone, I'm new here and I don't know half of the things I have to do but I would be very happy if someone could help/teach me to make a
speedrun any% all gliches

[lofty flare]

What walls?

[steady lynx]

We need a bench or hardsave that's named wrong but using a room dupe placed in Godhome main room

The options were Ancestral Mound since that bench is named wrong, but it's not accessible while Godhome is loaded since it's in a load

The other option was the hardsave from escaping after trap bench in Beast's Den, but it's set to always hardsave to that exact room

[lofty flare]

Are there any other options?

[steady lynx]

We can't use a correctly named save since Godhome has both a normal hardsave and a normal bench

Nope, those are the two

[steady lynx]

Join the pinned server and ask in the any-percent-glitched chat

Nix, if you find another wrong named save, please tell us

[rapid nest]

i think a load warp is the most likely way this would be possible as the transition also activates for a brief period whenever you load the room

i've tested a fair amount of options with yesclip and the issue is that there is never a way to escape the dupe after doing the load warp so im fairly sure noclip is required

with mms/voidheart noclip you would need to set up a dupe with a room to load warp from hall of gods, a room with a hazard respawn point where the upper godhome load is(since you cant use a dreamgate without getting rid of noclip), and some way to escape the dupe like a big elevator or something

i know theres a room in white palace with a hazard respawn in the right place so im pretty confident this would work just havent actually bothered setting it up to test

[steady lynx]

The one where you hit the actual load would also work on 1432+ right

[rapid nest]

yeah

[steady lynx]

Good, I may be the weird version guy, but even I don't like 1424

[formal dawn]

can some one help on how to down patch my game too 1.2.2.1 but also too be able to have the current patch too

[formal dawn]

im trying to down patch hollow knight too 1.2.2.1 and i was following the gog thing and i put the code in the steam consle its not working i put in download_depot 367520 367521 648876203478229944 in the consle and get back Depot download failed : missing license for depots 367521

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/cg7sH7FyAK0

[opal elk]

SHAAA

[lofty flare]

Not 100% sure what this means actually

Like the bench number is different than the room number?

[steady lynx]

Basically, to have the two hardsaves in Beast's Den work TC made a separate type of save point with a different name

And for some reason Ancestral Mound Bench is also like that

And if you have that type of save point in another room it'll act like a fake bench even if there is a bench in that room

Or a hardsave

[thorn jasper]

why "for some reason"? there are two hard saves in ancestral mound

[steady lynx]

Yeah, but one is a bench and the other is a wake up on the floor hardsave

[thorn jasper]

just like beast's den?

so it would be the same kind of thing as beast den?

[steady lynx]

Beast's Den has two wake up on floor and one bench

[thorn jasper]

ohhh I forgot about Herrah

[paper pond]

First successful run

Im never doing this again 😭

[cloud matrix]

Woah, fast enough to get in speedrun leaderboard. Was it that hard?

[gray rover]

Woah, it' soooo fast

[sacred thunder]

I can’t tell if they are mocking them or if they are genuine

[steady lynx]

I hope it's genuine, finishing a run at all is quite impressive comparatively to the average player

[coral shore]

Congrats

[paper pond]

Honestly i could care less either way

Though in no world is “woah, its soooooo fast” genuine

[cunning spear]

Peoples

Its possible to do a nintendo switch run

[vagrant warren]

Yes

Console boards are separate from pc for fairness

[cunning spear]

Ok

Thanks

Its an alternative route?

[sacred thunder]

It’s just the current patch route of the game

[stiff moss]

does anyone know the technicalities of how the collector perma-stagger works? my friend and i cant seem to find any info on it

[vagrant warren]

what are you referring to as the perma-stagger?

[thorn jasper]

iirc on 1221 flukes can overkill (under kill?) so much that collector is stuck in the stagger state at the end of the fight? is that what you're referring to? maybe if you search for collector soft lock you'll find something?

[vagrant warren]

oh, I didn't remember that sticking Collector in stagger, it just makes him unkillable because the HP underflows or something, but if it's that you just need to not do more than 6 full casts of flukes. I've just never heard it referred to as perma-stagger. I don't know if anything else can put him in that state other than flukes

[thorn jasper]

oh, I didn't remember that sticking Collector in stagger
I could be misremembering

[atomic nymph]

Hi. Whats the best way to do a 3 hours speedrun?

[vagrant warren]

There's a guide for the 5 hour achievement in pins, you could try to just do that quicker. Or you could get a guide for an actual category and try that

[tight wing]

Any tips on getting the jump on kingdoms edge acid skip?

I'm struggling

[storm silo]

how to abyss shriek pogo

[lofty flare]

Press jump within 6 frames of the shriek ending and nail within 4

1 frame being 0.01 seconds here

iirc those are the timings

[tardy lion]

Isn’t a frame 1/60 seconds?

[night sierra]

are spells, movement abilities and nail on regular frames or physics frames :cluelesseline:

[lofty flare]

Yes this is correct but these timings refer to what I’m recalling from TAS

Which is always done on 1/100 unless specifically changed for FCR or fps dependent tricks

[night sierra]

[hard path]

hiii can someone tell me how i can do the baldur skip in greenpath i've been stuck there for a while

i'm a new speedrunner and i've watched the gwonkee tutorial on how to do it but either i'm bad or its been patched out

pls help thanks

[vagrant warren]

if you're on current patch it doesn't work, you just need to kill it normally

if you're downpatched, you need to make the baldur open, then back up until it's on the edge of the screen before shooting fireball for it to multi-hit

[hard path]

oh ty!

i'll prolly just play on current patch

is there anything else notable patched out?

[vagrant warren]

mid-air inventory dropping, leverr skips, and pogoing explosions are probably the biggest ones. There are also some smaller changes.

[hard path]

wait what those are all gone 😭

is there a guide on current patch

[vagrant warren]

possibly in the speedrun server (in pins)

[hard path]

oki! thanks

[rapid nest]

wait hat i thought it was physics frames i've been lied to 🐊

[lofty flare]

It might be 6 physics and 4 physics c

I don’t remember I’m sorry

I always do nail on 4 and wings on the frame it ends

[ember badger]

does anyone know where i can find a tutorial for the newest route for all glitches

[weary root]

If you join the server in the pins^ there's an any% AG tutorial pinned in #any-percent-glitched
It's a little out of date but it's a very solid starting point and there's a bunch of people there who can answer any questions you might have

[long sage]

random question

I have never beaten hollow knight before but I propably have around 50 hours in the game

pretty much every time a run goes bad I delete it so in general I think im ok for somone who has never beaten it

but I would really like to

so could I have some help with routing?

or I dont know how but can I stream it to get some tips?

also I only play current patch

[vagrant warren]

Do you mean ever at all or just in a speedrun. Honestly in either case I'd say worry less about routing & just stop resetting

[long sage]

I have never beaten the game in general

the farthest I have ever gotten in a run is 32 min

[vagrant warren]

yeah, why are you trying to jump right into a speedrun? To each their own I guess but you'll understand the game & movement much better if you just do a proper casual playthrough

[long sage]

is there a way I could stream me playing for some advice???

[vagrant warren]

Like, even the easier guides for the in-game speedrun achievments are intended for people who have beaten the game at least once.

There's lots of ways to stream & lots of viewers that like giving advice

[long sage]

how do you stream to the discord

idk how

[vagrant warren]

I stream on twitch

[long sage]

can I make a voice channel

[vagrant warren]

it's doubtful you can make any channel here but there are publice voice channels

[long sage]

how do I join one

it says I dont have permissions

[vagrant warren]

possibly because you're such a new user.

[long sage]

ok

can I stream it through OBS and link it?

[vagrant warren]

not here, there's not any channel for that & would likely fall under advertising which is against the rules

[night sierra]

Livestreams channel?

[vagrant warren]

maybe I have that one hidden? Have to admit I don't frequent most of the discord LOL

but if so then yeah that would work

[night sierra]

yeah it's in the general category

[vagrant warren]

imagine seeing more than modding rando & speedrun

[weary root]

There are channels other than #speedrunning ? 😮

[night sierra]

I'm in speedrunning, rando, help, lore, hkdiscussion

[vagrant warren]

the modding channel is where the new skins come from eisog

[night sierra]

that's all

speedrunning not modding oops

[weary root]

I get skins from this list made by someone called ColetteMSLP

[long sage]

can I have confirmation on when you get the permissions for the voice channels

[formal bough]

The New Knight role does in fact stop you from joining the VC's, my understanding is that it takes about 3 hours to lose the rolel

[weary root]

Honestly just stream to twitch and put something like "please help" in the title you'll almost certainly get people who want to
Especially if you post in #livestreams although that might also be locked by the New Knight role?

[coral shore]

just make sure that you put that you are speedrunning as well as ask for help
Just "please help" in title might be a bit... misleading emotionally

[weary root]

Oh are they actually speedrunning? I thought they just wanted to beat the game

[coral shore]

oh well idk I just figured that its speedrunning channel

nvm I backread enough

[weary root]

This is the "speedrunning" channel

[coral shore]

Yeah ok then my point stands just put "trying to beat hollow knight" along with please help, not JUST please help

[steady lynx]

Wait, I thought this was the spoilers channel

[coral shore]

Hornet is void

[steady lynx]

The pale king died of dehydration

[weary root]

sorry to curse the hornet but that plushed break is SO eyes hahahahaha the chain are killing me. the eyes are void and they say eyes are a window to the soul so hornet’s soul is void

[long sage]

could somone help me

now I can share my screen so could I have some advice

I have played for about 50 hours but I've never actually beaten the game yet

I'd love some advice for routing or for some comments on my gameplay so I can improve

Ill prob just start playing in general in a sec

[tardy lion]

Just complete a run without trying to get good time

And don’t reset if something goes wrong

After you complete the game once or twice start worrying about time

[outer nacelle]

hello iv just started speedrunning & are there any specific things i should be careful of (btw im on switch & id like to do all skills category )

[vagrant warren]

you can check the category rules on SRC if you plan on submitting. I'd also suggest joining the speedrun server in pins

[outer nacelle]

in what ?

& whats SRC ?

[thorn jasper]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[outer nacelle]

oh speedrun.com

[long sage]

I need some help beating the game

ill be in general 1

[outer nacelle]

i need help learning how to fireball skip on switch

is that even possible ?

[vagrant warren]

Yes, it works the same as on pc

So you can use the same resources/tutorials

[outer nacelle]

oh ok thx

[verbal torrent]

does anyone have any begginer friendly speedrunning route to beat the game in maybe an hours or so? I don't have too much confidence doing nail 1 watcher nights despite having no problems with pretty much anything else

[vagrant warren]

most speedrun routes are not going to pick up additional upgrades unless it's a category like Happy Couple where that's part of the goal. Your best bet may be to take an existing route and just route in additional ore & geo

[analog pawn]

there is the shade soul route which is still nail 0 but gets shade soul for watcher knights, splits and splitnotes are here https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=any-1432plus-shade-soul

it is definitely possible to get a sub hour with it

[verbal torrent]

thanks

[sturdy marsh]

something ive been curious about

ive seen some speedruns where the runner takes damage to be able to attack during the boss intro. in my own time a while ago i found out you can open/close inventory close to the beginning and achieve the same effect.

Is taking damage really that much faster or is this a strat runners dont know about?

[analog pawn]

inventory is faster but it isn't allowed under the nmg ruleset

[sturdy marsh]

got it, was curious

[lofty flare]

the dive float no clip

[drowsy hemlock]

I'm trying to do a speedrun for hollow knight and every time I launch the game on update 1.2.2.1 it crashes as soon as the "playing with a controller is recommended" text goes away. updating the game to current patch makes it work just fine but I really need to be able to play on this update.

[lofty flare]

1221 is very unstable unfortunately.

[sturdy marsh]

yeah found that by complete accident trying to dive white defender on P4

[analog pawn]

things like that divefloat is why you inventory scream skips aren't allowed

[vernal flicker]

Yihou broke the record again.

[sturdy glade]

It happens

[steady lynx]

Holy shit

[fickle palm]

p5 pb :D no i dont know p5 strats

[keen comet]

is there anywhere where i can find a route for the current patch speedrunning

i found a few guides but theyre all on 1.2.2.1

[pseudo oak]

would any% be faster if fury was activated the hole game?

[vagrant warren]

Join the speedrun server in pins, there are more resources there

[vagrant warren]

No. It takes more time to collect than it saves

[keen comet]

i have, where do i find it?

like the resources

in the server

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest looking in the category channel pins. Also ping isn't necessary thanks

[keen comet]

ping?

reply ping?

[vagrant warren]

yeah.

[keen comet]

i dont get why people get upset a simple reply ping but alright ill try to remember it

where

are the category channel pins

[vagrant warren]

Well because it's unnecessary. It's a question that has no urgency for me & in fact could be answered by anyone who happened to have time & be in the channel. Or by googling.

Channels are on the left side, find any% and then at the top therr are pins

[keen comet]

i want a route tho

i couldnt find it by googling, its not on the channel pins either

all i see is 1.2.2.1

[vagrant warren]

Then you didn't look very hard

You can also ask in the channel, or get a route from hksplitmaker

Or just watch a recent run

[keen comet]

oh alr

ty

i read the whole thing i cant believe i didnt see that 😭

oh nvm now i see why i said i can't find it the page just doesn't open

[vagrant warren]

the pastebin link? Works fine for me

[keen comet]

yeah it actually doesn't work for me at all?

[vagrant warren]

seems like a you issue

[keen comet]

i'll try using a vpn

ok yeah that works now

thank you

[dusk steeple]

how do I set up livesplit to pause during loading screens?

[weary root]

right click on livesplit
click edit splits
Type Hollow Knight into the game name
It should come up with a prompt to activate the autosplitter

You'll then need splits or it won't work properly which I recommend getting from hksplitmaker, there's a link to that in the pins^

[merry pivot]

how can i set up minisavestates? im planning on practicing pop (and ILs in general) but im unfamiliar with minisavestates. when i run the game it does appear on the top-left corner, yet i have no idea on how to setup it nor configure it

[knotty vigil]

Is there an autosplitter for 112% that isn't APB

One that's already been made that is

[steady lynx]

So like pure 112% that ends with THK ending?

[knotty vigil]

Yh

I cant find one on HK split maker

A pre-made one

[steady lynx]

Give me a bit

[knotty vigil]

Alr

[woven crag]

hey im trying to get into pc speedrunning (any% current patch nmg) and i cant get my autosplitter to work no matter what, could someone help me out?

i tried everything the speedrun.com tutorial page said and it said if nothing works to @ DevilSquirrel in here but that seems a little drastic

[vagrant warren]

Join the server in pins & check the livesplit troubleshooting checklist there. It's either in help or tech support

[woven crag]

awesome thank you, (also i think i watched your video for livesplit and that help alot thanks :D)

[steady lynx]

I'mma be honest, I have some really funny route ideas for this

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. And I've never made a livesplit vid so ...

[woven crag]

ohhh ig it was just someone w a youtube use that had colette in it mb

[steady lynx]

Disgusting url incoming

[knotty vigil]

lol just make sure theres as little skips as possible😅 im horrible at majority of skips

[knotty vigil]

like never done a fireball skip in my life

[thorn jasper]

lmao was the url that long

[steady lynx]

You can skip fireball skip 1 by pogoing a Squit, the 2nd one you just walk through the room normally

[steady lynx]

I wonder how long the url for the AA splits would be

[thorn jasper]

@knotty vigil this contains a URL for a custom hksplitmaker config that Guaten made for you

[thorn jasper]

change one thing then it'll let you do the share

[knotty vigil]

how exactly do i put it into hksplitmaker lmao

[thorn jasper]

copy the URL into your web browser

[steady lynx]

So the url for AA is 7KB, but the pure 112 splits are 8KB

[knotty vigil]

JESUS

8 KILOBYTES for a url?!?!

[steady lynx]

One thing of note with those splits is that it uses a kinda "maybe allowed" glitch and "fights" White Defender after Pantheon 4 so you can just dgate out of the dream right after entering it to instantly gain the essence, so I also moved Seer ascend to after Godhome

[knotty vigil]

hmm okay

im assuming theres acid skips?

those seem easier than fireball skips lol

[steady lynx]

Technically for Isma's, but if you don't want to do them you can hit the lever after Dung Defender and do the normal route to Isma's Tear

There's also one in Kingdom's Edge on the way to Hornet, but you can also just, go around

[knotty vigil]

the url isnt working on either of my browsers

[steady lynx]

I could've just generated the lss file

[knotty vigil]

what do i open it in

does it matter what i open it in?

[steady lynx]

Livesplit, you need to download Livesplit

[knotty vigil]

livesplit aint downloading

it just sits at 13.1mb and says done but i cant interact with it at all and the progress line is always there

[stiff jasper]

h

[dusk steeple]

tysm 👍

[rapid nest]

kinda maybe allowed glitches are the best kind

[mighty swan]

what is the best language for speedruning

[vagrant warren]

simplified chinese

[mighty swan]

is not japanese?

[vagrant warren]

no (why did you ask if you're not going to believe the answer LOL)

[tawdry cypress]

i just set a new pr
29h
it's my first ever playthrough and i played as blind as possible

[mighty swan]

no i believe you i just want a more detail answer like, it was tested and all dialogues in a speedrun run with japanese last 2:15 and with chinese 2:00 something like that

something i need to know before attempting a speedrun in steel mode?

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't necessary, thanks. There are probably details of how much time is saaved but that's going to be different for each category, depending on h ow much dialogue/menuing there is

As far as running in steel soul - in most cases there's no real reason to, unless the category specifically requires it. Even categories that don't do shade skips a death may not cost much time if you're near to a bench or a dreamgate

[steady lynx]

There's a very good reason to play on steelsoul

The hud looks cooler

[vagrant warren]

Steel soul HUD no longer impresses me after seeing all the cook custom knight HUDs

[mighty swan]

i didnt want to bother you with the ping i just answer the message

[storm umbra]

What is the best no glitch time in finishing hollow knoght??

[vagrant warren]

you can reply to a comment without ping, just toggle it off for things that aren't important

[vagrant warren]

👉 https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

[storm umbra]

Ty i forghat the site name

[knotty vigil]

@steady lynx what patch should u use for the run

Also do you have a map of the route I have to take

also uh the livesplit thingy aint starting

[knotty vigil]

anyone know how to get livesplit to autostart and autosplit

cause my keybinds also arent working

[steady lynx]

You can use any patch 1432 or higher really, but most recent is probably optimal

You can join the pinned server and ask in tech support there about livesplit issues

[ionic vector]

what keyboard bindings should i use for speedrunning any%?

[steady lynx]

Whatever you're comfortable with and won't cause harm to your hands after a couple hundred hours really

Default binds kinda suck, most people go for wasd movement and then just shove the rest around the hjkl area for other stuff

[ionic vector]

thanks

[empty depot]

I just speedruned hollow knight for the first time(hollow knight ending 2h 24m). I wanna ask, how do you do these fireball skips at greenpath, they seem imposible for me.

[vagrant warren]

There are many tutorials on YouTube as well as in the pinned servee

[mighty swan]

aaaa i didnt know that exist thx jjaj omg

[lethal marlin]

Make sure u use the quick cast button

[high vault]

Hi

[tardy wadi]

Hiii anyone can help me pls i wan t to start path of pain speedrun and when i read the rules i see this

" Runs must be done on a save that has not yet hit the lever or removed the breakable floor. Console runs are exempted under penalty (+2s). "

and i don t understand like i have to never activate the lever or remove the breakable floor ??? like how i do some try

[thorn jasper]

most people use Minisavestates which is allowed for IL runs. join the pinned server to find it

[tardy wadi]

@thorn jasper like i have to never open the path of pain before and for this i install a mods for make save and reload it it s that ? and i can tp at my save like 10 hour before ?*

and on the discord u tell me there is no class of path of pain or i don t see him

[thorn jasper]

I believe there's also save files on src that don't have pop open yet that you can use so you don't have to replay the game yourself to get there

[ionic vector]

Im trying to downpatch hollow knight right now, i replaced the files but when i go to play it i get the error message 'missing game executable' and then it will go back to the current patch

can anyone help me

[vagrant warren]

Which guide or method did you use?

[ionic vector]

I thiunk the method i used was steam console depot downlowding

[vagrant warren]

Using the steam beta option is much simpler unless you're going for one of the versions that's not available there

[ionic vector]

will it work for 1.2.2.1

nvm i got it to work, thanks

[visual axle]

i haven't done epogo before and i'm gonna waste several hours trying

[rapid jungle]

i think i cooked

[main ridge]

hey I am looking to downpatch on steam. could I just opt in to the 1.2.2.1 beta?

or would that not be viable for submitting a run

[steady lynx]

Yeah, we asked TC to add it as a beta to make it easier to get it

The sole purpose of it is to use it for runs that can be submitted

[main ridge]

cool

so just select it and I should be good to go right?

[main ridge]

thx

[steady lynx]

Yeah

Just a warning, if you have any mods downloaded they will disappear

Saves won't disappear, just don't open saves from newer versions on 1221 to be sure

[main ridge]

no mods i should be good to go

uhh so i downpatched and now there is like a one pixel green dot right in the middle of my screen once i started a save file

any ideas?

it was resolution higher than 1080p T_T

[steady lynx]

Yeah, that's just a 1221 thing

Some versions of the game have two pixels instead

[main ridge]

they should really patch that

[stuck raptor]

Use a lower resolution

[main ridge]

yup

is there an autosplitter for hk?

[steady lynx]

Yes

[main ridge]

nice

[steady lynx]

It comes with a load remover

[main ridge]

what is that

[steady lynx]

Pauses the timer during loads

It's just to make competition more fair

One of the MVPs of the community made a site that's pinned where you easily can get premade livesplit files with autosplits and everything

[main ridge]

just saw pins

thats sick

[main ridge]

i just launched a new file does it not auto start?

[steady lynx]

It should start when KP loads

[main ridge]

is it not as soon as i gain control of the character?

[steady lynx]

No

[main ridge]

why is that? arent there a few skips ppl do already in the tutorial area?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, in KP

King's Pass

[main ridge]

yea, i made it to dirtmouth and it didnt start at all

[steady lynx]

Odd, the tech support channel in the speedrun server has a pin for Livesplit troubleshooting

[main ridge]

kk

[pure wolf]

How do I optimize my damage output when soul master glides full screen?

Like the absolutely best damage

[rapid jungle]

one nail hit, pogo, another nail hit, double hit fireball

should work

lemme test this actually

[pure wolf]

Yeah cool that’s what I’ve been doing thx!

Except for the first hit

[rapid jungle]

yeah first hit is harder to get unless you know hes about to glide

[pure wolf]

I also removed steady body in exchange for sprintmaster just for this fight

[rapid jungle]

if you are really fast you might be able to get a second fireball off

[pure wolf]

Also no quickslash lmao

I think I’m running soul eater shaman build

[rapid jungle]

i just used shaman in that clip

[pure wolf]

Yea

Oh JUST

Well no that’s not it

Steady body

[rapid jungle]

yeah i had a pretty much any% setup (except shade dash but i forgot to take that off lol)

[pure wolf]

Or no, actually it’s pretty hard to tell if there’s steady body

lol

But I guess not

[storm umbra]

Is there google pages that are not speedrun.com that has hollow knight speedruns cuz there is a lot of speed run categorys that they dont include

[steady lynx]

yes

[charred whale]

hello

[tardy lion]

Question: if you don’t kill Gruz mother in the crossroads, and then kill her in the colosseum, do you get the % ?

[verbal stag]

yeah

[charred whale]

whats the shade soul route?

[tardy lion]

Do you mean what is the most optimal way to get it or is there a category for shade soul?

[charred whale]

the route, i looked into a guide and it said for me to get three relics on the forgotten crossroads and the fungal wastes, but it didnt show the locations

[rapid jungle]

are there even three relics in crossroads

i can think of 1 (one)

oh wait combined

duh

[tardy lion]

You can look up relic locations on an interactive map

(Write “hollow knight interactive map” in google)

[rapid jungle]

one relic in crossroads (in the well) and theres one in the room going out of queens station and one in a room around elder hu iirc

you could also pogo up to the kings idol in peak

[long sage]

if I go into one of the channels can I have some assistance in beating the gane

[charred whale]

wdym

[long sage]

if I go into general can somone give me advice

[wheat harbor]

guys, i found out that you can skip the dialog of the first fight against the hornet with a vengeful spirit, has anyone found that out yet?

[formal bough]

yeah

If you have fury then it's worth it but otherwise the soul is better used for damage

[vagrant warren]

Honestly if you're looking for casual playthrough tips this isn't the channel to ask & if you're looking for speedrun tips you should join the server in pins

[rapid jungle]

not sure if this is a qol glitch re-add thing but you can also skip hornet 1 by just holding a map out lol

wow i did not check the time on those messages LMAO

5 hour late reply 🔥

[rapid nest]

map walk skip is a major glitch because it gives you text storage

[steady lynx]

I miss when it was optimal in TE NMMS and you did the whole Hornet fight with inventory open

[digital wing]

LMFAO. I am not a HK speedrunner at all but I started my third playthrough and when I got to hornet 1, I wanted to make it dramatic so I tried slow walking towards her with the map out and ended up skipping the dialouge. I joined this server and waited 10mins to see if it was common knowledge just to see these messages in #speedrunning

Probably also common knowledge, but if you kill Hornet with vengeful spirit so you can immediately pick up the mothwing cloak, the gates in the arena dont open. You can tip-toe a little to the right until the left gate opens and leave without the three seals / seers / seekers / whatever theyre called dialouge cutscene

This stuff is probably way well known but I thought it was funny finding 2 back-to-back bugs just by wanting to make the game dramatic :P

[weary root]

This actually isn't known I think, most runs quit out after picking up cloak to warp back to crossroads but this could actually be timesave for aluba%

[digital wing]

What's aluba%? Like I said not a HK speedrunner. But it would be crazy to me if I actually found timesave just messing around

[weary root]

hmm can't seem to replicate this, what platform are you playing the game on/any mods on?

aluba% is killing an aluba as fast as possible and there's one in lake of unn right past hornet lol

[digital wing]

No mods, steam PC, most likely most recent patch. It may have something to do with the hornet skip I did immediately prior before I quit out, respawned at the immediate stag station, and fought hornet normally. I'll start a new save file and see if I can replicate it. It might take me a little bit though, not very good at this game :)

I mean ill try doing it without hornet 1 skip with the map***

just killed false knight, omw to spirit

[digital wing]

i can't do it either, tried twice :(

must have something to do with my hornet skip and quit out

oh well

[analog pawn]

yeah, afaik it isn't possible, you can get control while the dreamers are talking with quickmap on 1028 but idk of any other way to skip it

[digital wing]

i cant sleep and i saw your message, ill try once or twice again and see if i can recreate it, this time doing the hornet map skip. Appreciate you humoring this bug with me :)

[steady lynx]

It might be subpixel dependent, I'll have to check some stuff

[digital wing]

id be easier for me if I wasnt ass lmao. I tried once after I sent that message and got all the way to hornet after 20 mins and realized I didnt buy a map so i went another 20 mins, did the hornet skip, quit and came back, and got caught by the dreamer cutscene

ima try 1 more time if i cant recreate it im chalking ts up to some cosmic radiation shit lol

[steady lynx]

Yeah, I can't get it to happen, very odd

[wispy rivet]

maybe try with a combanation of otehr glitches?

[digital wing]

ok, i tried again, did the hornet skip, killed her, and once again got hit with the cutscene

guess i used all my luck the first time I managed it :P

if anyone is seriousy curious, i recorded my actual solid attempt at recreating what i did, lmk if u wanna see it but its nothing special

but my ass is going to sleep

could be like what Gusten said some subpixel shenanigans idk im no hk expert at all

[ionic sleet]

I speedrunned the path of pain in 8 hours and 27 minutes

[narrow kettle]

Well after 406 hours 17 minutes and twelve seconds, I'm proud to announce my path of pain time has been whittled down to 406 hours, 17 minutes and twelve seconds. I know, I know, I'm incredible

[grizzled ferry]

Great accomplishment

[ionic vector]

any know how to get livesplit working for an apple computer?

or if theres any other good timers that would work

[sturdy glade]

Go to the pinned server, I believe there is a new recent alternative for mac

[ionic vector]

cool, thanks

[ionic sleet]

Truely amazing

[teal raven]

So a friend challenged me to a slug% race. I have a route in mind but would like to get some feedback on if it's viable or if there are big improvements to make. I don't want to have to do crazy skips. Fireball skips in greenpath for example are in the picture but spike tunnel rather not.

Here's the route I had in mind:

1. Any% start but full kill false knight
2. Instead of a quitout after claw go to city with crest
3. Get ddive and storerooms key
4. Go to peaks to get cdash with ddive
5. Return to city to fight dung defender with the key
6. Get ismas and shape of unn

[stable quarry]

It is faster to get lantern than getting dive for peaks entry. Espechally if you shadeskip to blue lake for right city accses. Which is a little harder than the fireballskips but still not very hard.

I'd do any% to claw, shadeskip to bluelake, buy kings stag sell relics to lemm, get city key. SQ to crossroads stag to dirthmouth, buy lantern SQ to crossroads stag get cdash SQ. Stag to kings, fight Ogrim, get Ismas.

[teal raven]

I can do shadeskips

[stable quarry]

You would need 2200 geo to do this route. So you'd need to pick up sone extra relics to make up for not fighting wk and possibly fighting gorgeous husk

[teal raven]

For geo routing it's not so much different than any% so I'll probably get moss knights before hornet and gorgeous husk

[stable quarry]

Yeah only addition would be getting kings station seal and claw journal and well seal I'd reccon

Which should be 1100 making up for the lost 450+655=1105 geo from not fighting wk

[tender plover]

i just did my first speedrun since i play hk, i did 1 hour and 52 min, it's good?

[stuck raptor]

Sure

[tacit finch]

Pretty good

I also just did an hour speedrun

[sterile snow]

For you first time is pretty good

I worked mine down to 1h 15

But thats still after like 10 runs so, i have a lot of faith in you

[normal oar]

Any tips for someone who likes to speed run causally ?

[stuck raptor]

Have fun

[wicked prism]

This is pretty obvious, but shaman stone is the meta

[night drift]

is it bad that i have an easier time fighting watcher knights than uumuu in any%

[steady lynx]

No

Uumuu sucks

[night drift]

its the reason i cant get sub 40

[tardy lion]

Probably the new join role

[normal oar]

So why specially shaman stone I know it makes spells do more damage but is it that much?

[steady lynx]

It's easy enough to get so that for most NMG speedruns it saves more time to get than it takes to get

And also making the fireballs bigger which makes multihitting bosses way more consistent

[analog pawn]

it is one nailhit of damage extra, is at salubra, doesn't need extra notches and is cheap

[steady lynx]

It even takes less time to get than Fury, but people will still ask why NMG runners don't just get both and do the entire run at 1 health

[stuck raptor]

10 fireball hits on a boss is 50 extra damage. That's huge time save

And takes what, 10 seconds to get?

[night drift]

fury is an extra like 20 seconds while shaman is on the path

[steady lynx]

I'm pretty sure Uumuu 2 cycle just wouldn't work without Shaman and like

That's at least 20 seconds each cycle

[night drift]

they used to do it with nail 1 i think but thats out of the way

[steady lynx]

Nail 1 is technically still a beginner strat I think

Idk, I don't run NMG anymore

[normal oar]

I’m still new to it so I’m still learning boss cycles by just playing , but Im weird when it comes to spells I feel rushed in trying to excute them correctly

[uneven urchin]

If you mean any% 1221% NMG yeah nail 1 is a beginner strat

[stable quarry]

I think it was 7 secounds

[steady lynx]

So glad Team Cherry put the chinese text of Shaman stone out of bounds in Salubra's hut so it'd be easier for the game to preload during runs

It's like the most random thing ever

[dusty dagger]

[tired edge]

say what

is that a mod or actually in the game

[steady lynx]

It's actually in the game but you need to use debugmod to unlock the camera

[tired edge]

what

[steady lynx]

It's there regardless of language you play on, in every single version since Chinese was added as a language option

[tired edge]

no way

imma check it out

[opal mica]

Schau dir mein Lethal Company Gameplay an, das mit Insights.gg aufgenommen wurde
https://insights.gg/v/ohvkS8rDBdW6qttsnJmMt

[vagrant warren]

Server is English only, also Lethal has its own speedrun server lol

[light siren]

yo im learning to speedrun hollow knight any% 1221 NMG but i cant hit that fire ball skip in green path, is there a trick or is it just very good timing

[vagrant warren]

Make sure you're using quick cast. Beyond that yeah it's timing. You also may want to join the speedrun server in pins

[light siren]

understood

thanks

[grizzled ferry]

Ya'll know what charms are the most optional for speedrunning p1, A nail build or a spell build?

[stuck raptor]

Check out the leaderboard

[tardy lion]

Nail build (+ flukemarm obv)
(Fury of the fallen, strength, quick slash, flukemarm, steady body and nailmaster’s glory iirc)

[grizzled ferry]

Forgot i could do that

[grizzled ferry]

Alr thanks!

[steady lynx]

I've tested a lot of stuff with this and I legit can't find any way it'd even be possible

But the good news are that I found a timesave for another game I'm running

[pine valve]

I cant do qga 😭

Sigh

Like i fall into the acid no matter when i press crystal dash

[vagrant warren]

Unless you're going for sub 35 it's not really that big of a deal. It only saves 40 seconds when done optimally

[pine valve]

AHHH I DID IT

LETS GOO

this is on a steel soul save file

YEAHH

[sinful river]

[molten eagle]

I suck at the blue lake shade skip, any tips?

[urban wren]

Shade skip?

[urban wren]

Or the wall cling

[molten eagle]

shade skip

[urban wren]

Ok so I'm assuming you know the set up

[stuck raptor]

Just keep practicing. Watch some videos of top runners to see what they do different

[urban wren]

That does help

I'm still figuring out wall cling

I should honestly just stick to p1 runs

[keen zenith]

my friend found this and wanted to know if its been seen before

[steady lynx]

Yeah, this is done in ASS

All Stag Stations

[runic python]

also current patch TE

[grizzled ferry]

We need this is a category tbh

Just 4 the memes

[acoustic ginkgo]

i wish I knew that skip, came here super undergeared during my speedrun and died to Broken Vessel 😭

[grizzled ferry]

Ye

U can also do it with ur shade

[grizzled ferry]

Rip spedrun 😔

[knotty vigil]

Im trying 5 or 10 hour speed run and im so afraid of watcher knights. Already have vengeful spirit dreamnail (not upgraded) ddark and cdash oh also dash

Oh if you die is your speed run over?

[steady lynx]

You'll never believe this

[rich mirage]

If u do steel soul

[knotty vigil]

I don’t

[analog pawn]

definitely not, a death is usually just a few minutes at most assuming you have a bench somewhat close, so for achievementd it doesn't matter

[rich mirage]

Also deaths can mean skips

[steady lynx]

If the death leads to timeloss you can't recover from your run will be dead, but you can submit runs to the leaderboard with unintentional deaths in them

[rich mirage]

they r trying to do the 5/10 hr achievement lmao'

[steady lynx]

Oh, that's not even hard

[acoustic ginkgo]

What is the quickest/best route to Resting without doing Salubra skip?

[sacred thunder]

Depends a lot on what you want to do
The steel soul speedrun gets tram pass from deepnest, which is probably the fastest, but if you want a route that gets more equipment, getting dive an entering peaks then resting also works (the 112% route)

[dense wigeon]

Doing steel soul on a separate save is probably a better idea

So one fast 5h and 10h speedrun save and one 100% steel soul where you take your time and properly gear up

[tardy lion]

Or do 99% steel soul in 4.9 hours and die to the hollow knight, that’s also a possibility

[light siren]

wat do i have to select for the enter greenpath split

[rapid nest]

greenpath (transition)

[light siren]

why doesnt this exist for me

NVM

i got it

thanks

[rapid basin]

idk if this is already something known or useful at all, but i was just leaving leg eater's room in a casual playthrough, and i somehow seemed to not have any collision after the transition finished loading, which caused me to fall downward until i hit the trigger to send me into the shrumal warrior room below it, and that worked totally as normal. idk what caused it but iirc i was holding my map button during or right as the transition happened. like i said, idk if this is an already known bug and/or if it can happen in other places but it seems like it could be helpful for big rooms that have an exit to where you need to go under the transition like that one

[rapid nest]

do you have QoL mod on?

[rapid basin]

yep, though i have most of the modules off since i wanted to play mostly vanilla while doing my first run with hallownest vocalized installed. it looks like i missed the speedbroke module when i was turning stuff off though, does that reeenable whatever bug causes that to happen?

[light siren]

also what do they use to get the enter queens garden split

[rapid nest]

yeah it re-enables the ability to do storage out of bounds(soob) where you regain control with quickmap while entering a room, it was patched out in version 1.0.3.1

[rapid nest]

queen's garden entry (transition)

[light siren]

thx again

[rapid basin]

i figured it was something like that, just wanted to make sure i didn't accidentally find some huge undiscovered timesave tech and then not tell anyone and forget about it lmao

[granite tide]

How long do you want to hold the jump for on a shriek pogo

[lofty flare]

The jump hold time isn’t important just as long as you release it in time to wings again before losing too much height

It just needs to be a wings jump up as soon as it ends

[burnt shell]

How do I abyss shriek pogo?

[dusty dagger]

jump-> shriek ->wings-> pogo

[rapid nest]

after the shriek you have 4 frames to wings and 6 frames to pogo

[manic cape]

i speedruned hollow knight in 19999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 hours

[manic cape]

ez

[cursive ember]

stfu

[manic cape]

azy

[manic cape]

YOU STUPID BI***

[cursive ember]

cool 👍

but

[manic cape]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[grizzled ferry]

what

i leave for a day and this is what happens

[manic cape]

idk man what happened that day

[clever raptor]

tf happens that chat

aha literally underage kiddos

[acoustic ginkgo]

you dodged that ban harder then any percenters dodging Crystal Peaks

[grizzled ferry]

accidently figured out u can air stall with great slash 💀

[stray rain]

can somebody tell me what is happening here? if you slow it down because my videos can't capture as much fps (but very noticeable to me), you can see the night flickering to the left even though I'm not getting the wall cling storage. is this normal? https://youtu.be/Wt_C4M2P5Ds

I would actually visit YouTube so you can slow it down

[grizzled ferry]

hitboxs are fucked right there

u should be getting wcs from that

[grizzled ferry]

this is storage lol

[analog pawn]

you lose wcs from touching the ceiling

[rancid ice]

Can someone help me with livesplit?

I've had nothing but problems with it and it's extremely frustrating

It doesn't even recognize a new run

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest joining the pinned server & check the livesplit troubleshooting checklist there

[frigid valley]

We need an auto split for hungry knight 🙏 somebody make one

[grizzled ferry]

wtf is instawinging used for lol

[steady lynx]

Going fast

[urban wren]

AAnyone do P1 speedruns?

[weary root]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=Pantheon_of_the_Master-Level-Any_Bindings&x=l_495lx03d-wkpq608d-5lyppm9l.klrnokw1

[urban wren]

Well i meant can anyone give me tips

[weary root]

Oh join the speedrunning server (link in the pins^) and ask in #il-combat

[urban wren]

Ok

[sick carbon]

So, if you shade soul and then immediately descending dark, you can phase through what seems like thin objects. I’ve done this a few times because I suck with directional inputs

As you can see, I went through the ground without breaking it. I’ve gone through non breakable ground before, tho. Maybe this could be a new skip

Not this specific instance but perhaps being utilized somewhere else

Somewhere with thin floor

[grizzled ferry]

oh u did go here lol

[weary root]

This is something that happens when you dive a breakable floor at the right(wrong?) height. In some cases it just doesn't break the floor and in some cases you go right through it

[steady lynx]

I mostly see it when people leave sanctum, probably easy to get the correct height there

[analog pawn]

I believe you need a min height jump or something, probably easier to get for the ones where you dive out of a dash?

or min height jump and then sometimes frame perfect dive, is from what ik

[drifting rapids]

Is e pogo possible on current patch?

[steady lynx]

Kinda

You use a setup to pogo the sporg once to get up

[frigid valley]

I do all of them. Even tho I’m slow

[urban wren]

How slow

[urban wren]

Cause anything to speed up time is helpful

[frigid valley]

Well not slow. But not a professional time

I don’t remember what I got for it

But it was under 5 mins I think

I used the fury and fluke nest strat

These emojis coo

[lofty flare]

Hello!

I do

Watcha need help with

[urban wren]

Lol I dm ed you alread😂

[night drift]

How do I get debug mod for 1.2.2.1

[wraith trellis]

?tag 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)
• Resources Repo

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[night drift]

thanks

[teal raven]

I've been speedrunning Hollow Knight for a few months now and I have a two issues with it maybe someone can help me fix them:

1. Baldurs don't roll near far enough to consistently do the upswing strat in mound. I've tried lowering my framerate in config.ini first to 240 then to 160. No significant improvement if at all.
2. I get really big lagspikes sometimes but it seems that the game keeps running in the background and I just end up getting hit or something once it unfreezes. I run patch 1221 and downpatched with depot downloader.
   Here's config.ini:
   [VideoSettings]
   FrameRateCap=160

[vagrant warren]

baldur roll is controlled by FPS. it's recommended to cap your FPS to like, I think less than 300 or 250 for baldurs to have a "normal" roll, if your baldurs are not rolling very far it sounds like your cap may not be working - how are you trying to cap it & do you have FPS display in game to confirm it's working?

1221 is not well optimized, so lag spikes might just be due to that but it's hard to say without seeing it or having more info

[verbal stag]

I don't think the config file works for capping fps on 1221

[versed cedar]

Is it possible to do palace of pain without monarch wings?

[formal bough]

do you mean white palace or path of pain

[vagrant warren]

do you mean white palace, or do you mean path of pain? (I'm pretty sure required for both without glitches)

[formal bough]

I mean you can do slopeball for white palace

I'm like 93% sure that slopeball's discovery made white place possible

I think path of pain definitely not though

[vagrant warren]

I thought there waasn't one for after the first kingsmould arena? although I don't really stay up to date on that stuff.

[versed cedar]

Thank you I meant white palace

[formal bough]

yeah it's doable

like, discovered two years ago

[vagrant warren]

A post saying "I think there's some somewhere" is not super convincing to me LOL

Like, if it was discovered 2 years ago shouldn't there be some easily findable clips?

[formal bough]

https://youtu.be/R_hIKu_v7nc?t=5561

1:34:15 for the relevant spot

and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V199apTM2o is the 2 years old clip I found

[vagrant warren]

Interesting. I suppose not seen very often because most low% categories are not widely run. And in rando it's unlikely you'll make it to WP without picking up shade soul at some point

[teal raven]

I put this at the bottom of config.ini for the FPS cap
[VideoSettings]
FrameRateCap=160
How would you recommend I do it?

And for the lagspikes I do not currently have a clip of it.

[formal bough]

yeah this is only useful in low te and low te dropless, where low te is bird farming and while low te dropless isn't bird farming it kinda loses some of the lustre when it doesn't have bird farming

slopeballs can't be used in rando logic cause yeah shade soul

[vagrant warren]

Ping isn't needed thanks. As noted above, the config file may not work on 1221. You should turn on the FPS display to see what you're actually getting in runs (also I believe it may be required if you're capping your frames) I use the Nvidia control panel to cap mine although there are other methods

[teal raven]

Is fps display a mod? also sorry for the ping though without replying to your message it might be out of context

[vagrant warren]

you can reply without ping. The fps display is a steam option

[teal raven]

how can I reply without ping?

[formal bough]

?tag noping

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/462200562620825600/919850262959640596/dontpingplz.png

[teal raven]

oh bruh I never saw that

[teal raven]

thanks

[teal raven]

found it thanks also yea that's definitely not working as I have about 400 fps

[lofty flare]

Wait actually?

I know vengeful acceleration is controlled by fps

But I didn’t know that baldur roll speed was too

[formal bough]

baldurs are more iconic than vengeflies imo

[steady lynx]

The speed is the same regardless of fps, it's just that before 1.3 the time they rolled for depended on graphics fps rather than phsyics fps

And the timer starts before they actually start rolling so at high enough fps they'll just roll into a ball and then unroll from the ball without moving

[harsh moth]

What is a decent time

[stuck raptor]

Dancing

[analog pawn]

a time you are happy with

[steady lynx]

Sub 5

[thorn jasper]

can't tell if this is "sub 5 hours for the achievement" or "sub 5 minutes for ag"

[steady lynx]

It's up to the reader

[mossy brook]

<@&283547423706447872> very loud noises

and something about gay idk cant understand it

[vale widget]

in that mp3?

[mossy brook]

yeah

[knotty vigil]

Anyone got a good p5 build I'm going to run True ending

[lofty flare]

Why the fuck are you doing p5 in your true ending runs?

[knotty vigil]

Shit I meant godhome

Does legeater% exist?

I'll just check speedrun.com

[vagrant warren]

SRC doesn't have all of the meme runs, there's an additional spreadsheet maintained that's linked in the speedrun server

[crystal forge]

Has anyone done a run of highest % pre boss?

[formal bough]

I did 47% and then there's an extra 5% for essence grinding I didn't do

[crystal forge]

Is there a route?

[formal bough]

I didn't do it as a speedrun no

[steep fjord]

Hi

[minor hill]

hello team! if i want to start running, do i need to uninstall all mods? i read the rules and it says nowhere that im allowed to keep my skin D:

the only things i have are boss hp bars (which i understand, thats a clear advantage) and skins

[reef lantern]

yes

[minor hill]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

i struggled so bad to install it all :'(

[reef lantern]

but if you dont wanna then play in moded category

[reef lantern]

scrab?

[minor hill]

scrab

[reef lantern]

did you use that program for mods?

[minor hill]

yes

[reef lantern]

then just turn off mods in there and you are good

[minor hill]

oh theres just like a switch?

in game?

[reef lantern]

YES

[minor hill]

sorry!

i didnt know...

[reef lantern]

really? you can see that

welp i guess first time

[minor hill]

im not tech literate 😖

thanks for the help! <3

[reef lantern]

anytime

[wraith trellis]

You can't just turn off mods, since that will leave the modding API which is forbidden too. Scarab has a button to disable the api (which will remove mods too, so no need to disable them one by one), however that button is quite unreliable, unlike Lumafly's "launch vanilla game" and "launch modded" game button which do the work for you. To remove the api without using an installer you can use Steam's "verify integrity of game files" button

[river axle]

Lumafly

Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.

• Website | Download

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/910762350267744276/1201992451418759179/hk_verify_integrity_2.png

[minor hill]

oh mannnnn this makes my palms sweaty

i just wanna speedrun 😭

[minor hill]

but tysm!

[wraith trellis]

If you want to submit runs but still regularly play modded you can check out the guide for having several installs of hk at once

?tag installs

[river axle]

Creating Additional Game Installs
🔹 1. Create a folder anywhere you like and name it something that indicates what that install if for. (Example: Hollow Knight Modded)

🔹 2. Select all of the contents of your "Hollow Knight" folder (this is the folder that contains hollow_knight.exe), then Copy them, then Paste them into the folder that you created in step 1.

🔹 3. Create a new text document in your new install folder titled steam_appid and in that document copy only the number 367520.
*Note: You should use something simple such as Notepad to create this. If you have file name extensions showing, the name of document should be steam_appid.txt, if you don't you should only see steam_appid.*

Alternatively, you can download a pre-made copy of the file: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/879138066961424405/1059931408216358932/steam_appid.txt

🔹 4. Optional: Add this install to Steam as a "Non-Steam Game" so that you can launch it directly through Steam whenever you want.

[minor hill]

i will do some figuring out and will surely be back

[signal hollow]

Is rta the same as what pops on the end screen?

[steady lynx]

No

Rta is real time, so what you get if you swap livesplit comparison to real time

[signal hollow]

dang

I had run from a week or two ago that i relized I may be able to submit - but I got a diffrent pb since then so I cant find the RTA qwq

[steady lynx]

You could just use the video time

Just time in video the timer ends at minus time it starts at

[signal hollow]

sorry im a little confused

[stuck raptor]

Start run: start timer
Fade to black at end: end timer.

You can just use the video time stamps to time it

That's real time. Aka... "real life time"

[signal hollow]

ok thanks :3

[steep fjord]

Sorry if my English is pretty bad,
I found a glitch witch can cancel the animation of the begining of some boss.
Is it a new glitch or not ?
Thanks a lot to tell me

[tardy lion]

If you are talking about opening the inventory or the map, then it is not new

[steep fjord]

Yes, thanks to told me ^^

[fickle wyvern]

I found something to boost you up certain walls by jumping into the corner at a specific angle
I don't know if it's new but if anybody is interested I can send a clip

[terse wasp]

My best hollow knight run took 15 hours does rear get on the leaderboards?

[rapid nest]

like this?

those are seam jumps, a glitch introduced in patch 1.5 that lets you jump off of seams with the right subpixels

[fickle wyvern]

yeah just like that

dang i never knew about those

[signal hollow]

I don't think so, you would probably need to aim for around 3 hours to get on the leaderboards

[steady lynx]

If it's single segment, verifiable and an actual attempt at going fast we'll verify it

[lofty flare]

I mean that last requirement isn’t even necessary for most games and cats

There are speedruns like that one where link stares at a gem for seven hours

I believe Gusten more so means “as long as it’s clearly not an obvious troll/attempt to get on the bottom”

I pity the verifier though

[mossy brook]

Nix why is your name a pleonasm

[lofty flare]

What?

It’s not though

Unless you mean the emoticon?

Oh.

Well okay Thommie.

[mossy brook]

The joke is that all programmers are secretly femboys

[grim iron]

Mrow?

[lofty flare]

No I got the joke

[steady lynx]

Yeah, we just don't want people intentionally doing a terrible run just for the purpose of being last place on a board