speedrunning

[steady lynx]

It's slightly less than the amount of Death% suggestions

No less pointless

[thorn jasper]

how about Die To Gorb%

[thorn jasper]

we do have Myla's Revenge on the meme sheet which is the best variation of Death%

[timid quest]

how do i get multiple installations for different versions? i want to have 1221 as a separate installation. i tried copying the game folder to a different directory when in the 1221 "beta" through steam, but if i go back to the normal version and launch what should be 1221, it still launches current patch

[north notch]

like you went to properties on steam and chose 1.2.2.1 on betas?

[timid quest]

yeah

i remember doing it like that in the past but it doesnt work anymore?

[north notch]

i didnt create a new folder when i did it recently

i think it works but its gotten simpler

[timid quest]

yeah it doesnt create a new folder, but after opting into the 1221 beta i copied it to somewhere else

opting out of the beta and launching the copied folder still launches current patch tho

[north notch]

i mean if you chose 1.2.2.1 and wait for it to download then just launch the game from steam it should work

[timid quest]

yeahh but then i dont have multiple installations

i was wondering if thats possible

[north notch]

idk im not really the expert in this

[timid quest]

thats fine! thanks for the help anyway :)

[analog pawn]

you can use the steam console to get multiple installs

https://youtu.be/cg7sH7FyAK0?si=hFXxE2cqHcIsNy4j

or here if you prefer a text guide
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides/jlten

[timid quest]

tysm!

[simple badge]

Do you recommend any% glitchless if you‘re new to sr

[steady lynx]

We don't have glitchless, but NMG (No Major Glitches) is close enough and the recommended ruleset starting out

[simple badge]

Ah. Thanks

[split fulcrum]

Hey guys, I wanna try speedrunning the game on ps5, I’m not trying to summit a run just trying for fun, what’s a route I can follow?

[stuck raptor]

Speedrun.com/hollowknight and watch some console runs

[tender yacht]

Hello. Looking for people/community to play Hollow knight with. Any idea where to find one? Or perhaps you are interested yourself? Ping/message me if you have a response, thanks ^^

[abstract notch]

You should check out the speedrunning server, there's a ton of people doing rando and stuff there

[lament river]

where do I put rando speedrun stuff?

[vagrant warren]

there's #randomizer but like there aren't really leaderboards for rando, I think a few plandos may have boards

[lament river]

ah

[dim shell]

Does anyone have any resources for starting speedrunning?

[stuck raptor]

join the speedrunning server in pins

there's more resources than you can imagine there

[dim shell]

The link doesn’t work for me is this a problem for anyone else

[stuck raptor]

• The speedrunning community have their own Discord which can be found here https://discord.gg/3JtHPsBjHD

[bronze basin]

i have a question whats the charm bulid p5 runners use

[stiff rapids]

yall can I have tips for the queen's garden skip

[grim iron]

#hk-help

[stiff rapids]

@balmy belfry so what u wanna do is jump off the ledge a little higher and then dash as close to the acid as possible then u gotta time the cdash well. the trickiest part is getting off at the end but u just got to time the jump the moment the cdash ends

[balmy belfry]

I think i gave up trying it cuz idk how to make the cdash to start the animation asap after i touch the wall

Are you playing in another version?

[stiff rapids]

im playing on current patch

[steady lynx]

Patch doesn't matter anyway

[stuck raptor]

You can't start a cdash when you're too close to the top wall corner

You have to go lower than you think

The bottom of your eyeballs will literally be in the acid

[hidden sundial]

Depends on the player's style, but I like using Unbreakable Strength, Quick Slash, Shaman's Stone, Steady Body and Dream Wielder for P5.

Better players can replace Dream Wielder with Soul Eater and play overcharmed

[stiff rapids]

whats a recommended category for a beginner

[sacred thunder]

Usually all skills is recommended

That or smaller categories like 4 mask shards, Myla%…

[balmy belfry]

Oh

[digital galleon]

Hi I have an issue with the version 1.2.2.1 when I start a new game my binds don't works someone know why ?

[steady lynx]

Do you use mouse?

[digital galleon]

yes for several things

[steady lynx]

For anything ingame?

[digital galleon]

yes for hit/dash/vengeful spirit

[vagrant warren]

You'll need to get blue.exe or turquoise.exe from the speedrun server in pins

[digital galleon]

ty !

[simple badge]

are there livesplits of the current 112 apb run to download somewhere

[vagrant warren]

I'm not sure if HKsplitmaker is fully updated, server in pins would be the place the ask

[simple badge]

okay thanks

[sweet condor]

How do you do izmas tear skip in ancient basin

[weary root]

The ones to get to ismas tear?

[sweet condor]

Ya

[night sierra]

pogo spikes and instadash to the opposite side then cdash to isma's tear side iirc

like at the one spike tunnel section in the broken elevator shaft

[tired barn]

Guys has anyone try seeing if this any% nmg variation is fastar then normal version? getting soul catcher early, killing the 2 shrumal ogres (can play damage tanking since the notch gives full heal), defeating mantis lords getting the 1070 geo (chest + seal) + pride + dashmaster before warping to mound for a shaman stone dashmaster run after buying steady body and the first salubra notch? You have the dashmaster time save from ancestral mound towards dream nail until the end of the run, a faster hornet with soul catcher to use more fireballs + less hits to get soul, you don't need to get both king station seal and gorgeous husk, and you can skip one devout on beast den.

[night sierra]

always possible but any% is so optimized i doubt the subtle changes will drastically change the time and it might not even save anything because the route was so well planned

[tired barn]

fair enough

[night sierra]

also you mean any% nmg right

[tired barn]

I mean, i thought about overcharming but it seems way more difficult for the deepnest section

[tired barn]

yeah

[tired barn]

changed it on the msg ty

[tired barn]

maybe a tas can do like this, but not sure how dashmaster affects wall cling storage

[night sierra]

wouldnt it just make it faster

[tired barn]

thats what I tought but since your dash comes back earlier doesn't it mess up the frame cycle?

[night sierra]

oh idk

i dont know anything about wcs

[tired barn]

but since they already checked this I guess it is pointless

mb

i keep forgetting to turn it off

[analog pawn]

all of this is slower

soul catcher saves less, than the time spent getting it, same for dashmaster

mantis lords is very slow geo and takes a lot longer than it is worth as well

getting ghusk and the relics is a lot more time efficient

I will say that getting dashmaster is something latest patch does though. Since the optimal route there gets ismas instead of crystal heart

which makes dashmaster have more value

it's interesting at least

[night sierra]

cp gets ismas???

[analog pawn]

yes, slopeball makes the ismas route a lot more viable

[night sierra]

oh right

where do they even use it though

slopeball i mean

[analog pawn]

basin to not have to shade skip to wings and the room with ismas in it so that the skip is easier

[night sierra]

cool thanks

[analog pawn]

getting dashmaster is a really new change, think there is only one run on the leaderboard with it, it means doing a lot of midgame overcharmed so is quite difficult

the route overall is really difficult so most people don't do it

[keen anchor]

But dashmaster loses alot of time in runs

[night sierra]

apparently not

[steady lynx]

Super optimally dashmaster is probably slower on LP, but it ends up being like a 4 second difference and it makes isma's skips so much easier so Yihou just opted for it

[short fiber]

hi, anyone knows how to get "livesplits" to work? or if is there any other program i should be using instead? i've recently started trying to speedrun, but in-game time is kind of... off xd

when i start the game, the timer doesnt begin (although the numbers change to green)

[short fiber]

i downloaded splits and it didn't work, and i made my own splits and entered them, and the timer still wasn't running :c

yesterday when i tried it, it detected every time i got a check, yet the timer stayed at 0. today it doesn't do either xd

okay i'll check, thanks

[steady lynx]

<@&283547423706447872>

Thank

[dusky nova]

Does anyone think I should try Any% after beating P5? I haven't done any speedrunning yet.

[thorn jasper]

you could try any% before beating p5

[night sierra]

that's actually my plan, I did pick up an ori game recently but I'll do my best to try some any% nmg after i finish p5

[hidden sundial]

It's a very different challenge, although practicing for P5 will also help with the boss-fight phase of a speedrun

[night sierra]

i do have a save with 2 hours at watcher knights going for 5hr finish acheivement, but i keep dying to watchers so idk maybe i should practice with low skills

[primal vine]

im kind of confused, im trying to open menu while dropping at the start but it doesnt let me, and i cant swing nail

[steady lynx]

On 1221?

[primal vine]

yea

i have to go into keybinds and for some reason just put the exact same ones as before then it works

but i have to do that every run

[coral shore]

Yeah so for mouse binds on 1221 things are very wonky

Join the server in pins, and then follow instructions of this message: #822619899721547797 message

[lofty comet]

who has the world record without bugs?

[steady lynx]

Game is about bugs

[hushed forum]

Can one speedrun on switch?

[formal bough]

yep, there's boards specific for them

[proper lagoon]

Hi all! Saw that there were no leaderboards on speedrun.com for individual bosses which kinda sucks, so I was just wondering if there's anywhere online or smth that people post individual boss times through the Hall of Gods? Thanks very much 🙂

[steady lynx]

Nah, I don't think anyone in there really tracks speedkills

[proper lagoon]

No idea how I didn't think of that, thanks very much!

[steady lynx]

I know I've seen a spreadsheet of speedkills at some point but I have no clue who upholds it or even if it's kept up to date

[proper lagoon]

Man, feels kinda weird that in all the time speedrunners have been waiting for silk song, they still haven't started individual boss categories lol

I'll still try tho

[stuck raptor]

Full pantheon runs are more interesting

[steady lynx]

We invent bad meme categories instead

Any 4 mask shards 0 geo fans in chat?

[stuck raptor]

Cursed

[proper lagoon]

True, but I do think individual runs have their place, in that there will be quite different strategies depending on the boss, with some not using stuff like fury

[proper lagoon]

Oh god

[proper lagoon]

I've been working on a goofy one where I think I managed to get wayward compass into the final build

[formal bough]

there's no world where at the very least grubsong doesn't do more than compass

[steady lynx]

I've never actually tried il runs even, I wonder what we even have

[proper lagoon]

I mean, I've never speedrun anything before doing these, but to my knowledge grubsong wouldn't have helped for the best strat, so wayward it was

Couldve just kept nothing, but I thought itd be funnier

[steady lynx]

Okay yeah, il runs aren't too bad, was kinda fun

[night sierra]

totf in 3 minutes is insane, took me so long to get it on my first attempt

[median hornet]

Hey, looking for some help. Anything is appriciated. Downpatched my game recently with built in steam betas. I brought it back to current patch to run debug mod. After bringing it back the launcher within \steamapps\common\Hollow Knight gives the error : "Another instance is already running." There is not another instance running. Because of that the only launcher I have for HK is a url shortcut which doesnt work for Scarab. Ive reinstalled the game already and quite frankly dont know what to do. (Almost) anything helps!
Also is there a debug mod equivalent available on 1.2.2.1 or do you guys use QoL to simulate it on CP
Thank you

[median hornet]

if any of you know the depot download for current patch that would work too

[median hornet]

sort of, ill try again. where can i get debug for 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[median hornet]

thank you very much

debug? or depot

ok is that just for 1221

[analog pawn]

colo 3 ag when

[median hornet]

cool, thank you again

[median hornet]

i just finished restarting my computer and im still getting this

[unique moth]

im am so hard struggeling on learning the fireball skips rn holy, how should i do them? XD

(if any1 wants to help me learn the speedrun im in general 1)

[rain galleon]

It's the easiest if you send a video of you attempting one, then we can give feedback

Although my first guess would be that you need to use quick cast

?tag quickcast

[river axle]

No tag quickcast found.

[rain galleon]

?tag hkhelp qc

[river axle]

Comparison of ||Focus Cast vs Quick Cast||

||Video Link (Note: By default, A is the Focus button, F is the Quick Cast button. However, this video has it set so that F is Focus and V is Quick Cast)||

[rain galleon]

(@ mods pls fix🥺 )

[high kraken]

which 12% should i not get for the speed completion achievement?

[signal hull]

Huh

Do you even need 100 percent for that

Isn't it just beating the game in five hours

Oh wait you are talking about a different achievement

I suggest leaving pantheons, all three trials, glowing womb, kingsoul/ voidheart, sharp shadow, and any two of the vessel shards

[thorn jasper]

glowing womb and sharp shadow are so much easier than flower quest

also, each full vessel upgrade is a percent (as is each full mask upgrade)

so you can leave behind thee vessel fragments to avoid a percent, or 4 mask shards to avoid a percent

I would also probably leave out seer ascension due to the essence requirement

elegy is also a good candidate for skipping

also definitely do banishment over fighting nkg if you go that route

[high kraken]

it's interesting but completely logical that it hasn't been routed ig it's just because 20h is such a long time people just choose to skip what they want

[signal hull]

Nah nkg is fun

It adds some spice to the run

[high kraken]

still haven't beaten nkg lol i'm probably not gonna go for speed completion any time soon tho

[thorn jasper]

actually I remembered, "100% Completion" was routed. splits and notes are here https://hksplitmaker.com/?builtin=100-completion

or just the notes https://pastebin.com/dcNJnwbX

note that this route was written for speedrunners, not for casual players

it might be doable casually but it may assume certain proficiencies

[wooden remnant]

In any%

[high kraken]

That's really cool thanks

I think the stuff they skip is stuff that makes sense to skip on a more casual run anyway

[steady lynx]

It's the stuff that takes the longest to get

So by effect it also becomes whatever is hardest to do

[night sierra]

don't you need Colo 2 for the charm notch or is that not a %

[steady lynx]

2 things here

1. The Charm Notch is from Colo 1
2. The Charm Notch isn't a %

Colo 2 gives a pale ore and the route already abandoned nail 4

[night sierra]

oops mb

[half jungle]

does anyone know a good video to learn the all skills route?

[thorn jasper]

Pisces has a guide of the old/easier route for 1221 on YouTube. there is no tutorial for the current 1221 wr route (nor the current 1432+ route)

there may be more helpful people in the pinned speed running server. there's an all skills channel there

[half jungle]

thanks

[warm widget]

How to have a run under 5 hour ?

I can't have the succes

[steady lynx]

<@&283547423706447872> ?

Thank

[steady lynx]

Check the pins

[snow orbit]

tuto ?

[snow orbit]

hi guys do wou have any soluce or help for "new speedruner player" for the "any porcentage " in less than 10h thanks

[formal bough]

Any questions pertaining to the speedrun achievements should be directed to #hk-help⁠. A guide for the 5 hour speedrun achievement https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602.

(this is in the pins)

[stuck raptor]

<@&283547423706447872>

Ty mucho

[shell spindle]

or just watch a bunch of randos and also fireb0rns videos

[granite latch]

https://youtu.be/IJiDIYyGiQU?si=fKWJBPMjQcmUbly4

How do you think I could improve?

[thorn jasper]

watch the top 5-10 runs for inspiration

[lucid pasture]

Anybody know what happend to the The EXTENDED Category Extensions spredsheet? the link I have is ded

[formal bough]

you mean https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSHyJ2ZdtTPvoudRJ_VAW_an61MumAHdsQOm4Z9wvn_ou73rxX9w9ydb_lDuyOTCnXvmb68HlMrjPYa/pubhtml

cause it still works

[lucid pasture]

Thanks

[elder rose]

how do pop speedrunners do it after completeing a run

without it stopping you

[thorn jasper]

Minisavestates is allowed for runs to create a save state before entering. You can find it in the pinned server

[elder rose]

so if i beat it without that i cant go back

[thorn jasper]

the qol mod can also reopen it. or you can download a save file from src that is near it

[elder rose]

its not there

i asked

[vagrant warren]

... Literally the first pin in resources is to here: https://github.com/hk-speedrunning/HK-Resources

[thorn jasper]

to be fair I forgot to check this lol

[vagrant warren]

Well so did they LOL, it looks like they went & asked in offtopic for some reason instead of just looking or asking in help over there.

[lethal lark]

is there an easy and fast way to get extra 250 geo on the any% on current patch? I wanted to speedrun HK but got myself stuck on watcher knight with nail 0, so I was thinking about gathering extra 250 geo to upgrade but I am not sure how much time that would take

[thorn jasper]

get king's station seal (or rafter's seal if you're alread doing that route) and sell to Lemm before WK

[lethal lark]

I was already getting that relic iirc

not sure

[thorn jasper]

within the past year or so, king's station seal was replaced with rafter's seal. so if you get both you should have one extra

[lethal lark]

you mean the seal before the nailsmith ?

[thorn jasper]

unless you're doing isma route in which case I don't know the geo

[thorn jasper]

yeah, near Lemm

[lethal lark]

I would have to check the route again to make sure

[thorn jasper]

either way, you don't normally need both. so if you get both then you'll have an extra one which is more than enough for nail 1

[lethal lark]

I was checking guides on speedrun . com and found a shade soul route, I might try that instead idk

fireball doing double dmg should make watcher knight a LOT easier

also, it's probably my PC that is kinda low end, but I tried downpatching to 1.2.2.1 annnnd, that game just doesn't run properly?? it's laggy while playing and a lot of times the game freezes or straight up crashes during transitions

but that only happens on 1.2.2.1, the game runs smoothly on current patch

[formal bough]

yeah thats 1221

[lethal lark]

unlucky, there is no dash slash lever skip on current patch yeah ?

[formal bough]

correct

being able to skip levers is basically exclusive to 1221

not on earlier patches, not on later patches

[lethal lark]

I guess i'll try this shade soul route

[last coyote]

Is there a consistent way to pull off shrogos? I don't think I'm doing them right

[lethal lark]

Damn, HK speedruns are hard, managed to complete my first any% in 1:26h, really bad time, but I was also learning the route midrun so ehhh

[rapid nest]

its a 4 frame window to wings after the end of the shriek animation and 6 frames to pogo, the pogo must be at the same time/after the wings

it can be tricky to do at first but if you spend a while practicing with infinite soul you can get them very consistently

[last coyote]

Is there a place in the game where I can get infinite soul cuz I play on xbox lmao

[vagrant warren]

PoP if you haven't already finished it, the totems are infinite. Or Salubras blessing with a close bench

[rapid nest]

godhome is the best place to do it, you can regain soul from the water at the bottom

[hidden sundial]

Any hot spring

[real stirrup]

Guys not to flex but I beat hollow knight in 150 hours

[hot ruin]

legend

[last coyote]

Jesus christ man, I'm abt to fight the hollow knight and it took me 30 whole hours, how do you do it

[flat rune]

151 for me

[visual iris]

All game, or first final?

[grim iron]

welcome to the server

[real stirrup]

17%

[wheat needle]

I recently completed my first attempt at a speedrun and it's something I'd like to do more of, but I'm totally new to speedrunning so I have a couple of questions, mostly about the speedrunning site.

Is video evidence required for every run, even relatively slow ones (2-3hours long)?

If a run could be posted to multiple places (eg. Any% > 1.4.3.2+ NMG and Console Runs > Any% how do you know which you're supposed to use?

[thorn jasper]

• video evidence is required for all runs
• in general, submit to the most specific category. console run is more specific so submit there

[wheat needle]

Thanks for replying! It's a shame that video evidence is needed for all of them, but I can always do runs for fun and not use the site. I had assumed 1.4.3.2+ NMG would be more specific than just any% on console but maybe not, as a general rule of thumb would it being on console be the most specific element?

[wheat needle]

Oooh, unless everything past 1.4.3.2 is NMG because major glitches are only available in an earlier version, and therefore console versions will be using the latest game version and therefore running NMG by default anyway? In which case PC > 1.4.3.2+ NMG is the same as switch runs except the console difference

[steady lynx]

Nah, glitched runs can be done on any patch

The reason NMG is split into normal NMG and 1432+ NMG is because 1221 which is optimal for a lot of runs isn't very well optimized so some people with lower end PC's can't play it at all

How the heck is this a speedrun in any sense of the word?

[lethal lark]

good improvement in only 3 runs ever I guess (this is shade soul route)

[wheat needle]

After trying and only failing way too many times while practicing the pogo skip to the mask in southern crossroads, I hit it on my first attempt in this new run I will not waste this luck

[visual iris]

You are the best

[vagrant warren]

Theyre not the same because console runs are timed RTA and PC runs use load remover.

[formal bough]

<@&283547423706447872>

wait why did you delete it I just wanted to make sure all the mods knew where to get the cheap nitro

[midnight anvil]

Is there a speedrunning record list for Path of Pain ?

[weary root]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=Path_of_Pain-Level&x=l_r9g1qop9-wkpq608d

[midnight anvil]

Thanks, guess I looked over it

[little tendon]

is there a guide on this skip

or is it fixed on current patch

[verbal stag]

it's patched yea

[little tendon]

I'm still figuring out on whether I should start on 1.2.2.1 or 1.4.2.1

[steady lynx]

Don't start on 1421, maybe 1432

[little tendon]

what are the main differences between those two and current patch?

[steady lynx]

To begin with 1421 doesn't exist, between 1432 and the latest 1.5 the main differences are that you can't elevator squeeze on 1432 and watcher Knight backrolls weren't patched back in until 1.5

Also something with input handling and framerate

And you can't land on platforms on 1.5 for some reason

[little tendon]

I see, thanks!

I was using 1.5 because I couldn't get the mod organiser working, only scarab

also bricked my file like 5 times because I didn't know scarab only worked in 1.5

[steady lynx]

I don't think there is a mod installer for the old ones anymore, we just manually replace files for modding them

At least there isn't for 1.3 and earlier

[little tendon]

oh

[little tendon]

first run completed

igonre uumuu~trap bench and thk scream~hollow knight

[last coyote]

Steezus Christ

How

[ember imp]

[slim meadow]

I beat hollow knight in 5 minutes

[stable moon]

Yeah it’s not really that hard to do

Eisog when’s your any% arc?

[neon island]

in-game timer weirdness?

[weary root]

dunno need to be in a mindframe where I'm ok resetting a lot of runs to messing up the dupe, and I really like no resets :p

[stable moon]

If you’re ok with practicing you can def get it consistent

Especially if you don’t greed

wow thank you autocorrect very cool

[weary root]

lmao

[weary root]

yeaaah a lot of it is based on feel but I think some of the new strats alleviate that a bit

and also I can probably just do some things slow to have them be consistent

[steady lynx]

What's even the record at now?

4:2x something?

[thorn jasper]

4:29.34

[steady lynx]

You're only like half a minute from WR then

[hidden bramble]

hello speedrunners! I have a question, do you know where I can find nohboard template for hollow knight speedrun ? I would love to add it to my OBS

but I don't find any, and I wonder if I have to create myself

[vocal kernel]

hey guys

i got a qustion

its all of yours PB

i want to get into speedruning and i want to knoww where i would stand after one run

imma use my own strats for a while

[steady lynx]

My PB in what category?

[analog pawn]

yeah, what category

[steady lynx]

If you want all of them, I'm not writing all that

[hidden bramble]

ok I am creating a nohboard overlay hollowknight themed

[steady lynx]

I have a 8:10.420 in Clawless Shade Cloak NMMS, that's the main one that matters probably

[analog pawn]

I have 18:52 in a category

I never submitted that

[steady lynx]

I think I'm like 700th place in any% NMG

Nvm, 812th

[analog pawn]

I am 100 something

148th apparently

I think the main pb that matters is 6:50.85 in myla% nmms

which isn't even my fastest time but I just stopped submitting them

if I go back and beat ekkoet I would submit

[night sierra]

what is that, kill Myla? These categories are cruel

[night sierra]

you can get kings brand in less that eight minutes?

[analog pawn]

the key is NMMS

the run never enters Kingdom's Edge at all

[steady lynx]

You just get vengeful spirit and then go to abyss

[night sierra]

isn't nmms no main menu storage or is that wrong

[analog pawn]

it is

[night sierra]

Can you roomdupe without mms?

[analog pawn]

yes

[night sierra]

is that the real key

[steady lynx]

Nah, the key is the fact that map exists

[analog pawn]

you just go out of bounds around the room

but yeah map is broken

[night sierra]

i forgot about out of bounds glitches

nmms distracted me how could you

[analog pawn]

being distracted by nmms is a good thing

as long as you don't run low%

[steady lynx]

Oh right, I also have wr in any% NMMS

[lethal lark]

Low% true ending

[sturdy glade]

no

[steady lynx]

[hazy zealot]

how do you guys get past deepnest witout lumafly lantern? im trying to get speedrun 2 achievment

[weary root]

getting lantern won't take that long, just sell a few relics to lemm and go buy it

but here https://youtu.be/xRJ6tS_Ffs8?si=ZNLWIQd0Jsw28KWJ&t=365 is a tutorial to get through the dark rooms coming from Queens Gardens

[sick prawn]

is ismas route fastest on current patch?

[analog pawn]

yes

[hidden sundial]

That's the neat part, you don't. Use the pinned message guide by fireb0rn and that achievement shouldn't be too crazy.

[lofty flare]

Ew firebad

[thorn jasper]

what did fireb0rn ever do to you

[stable moon]

I saw fireb0rn at a grocery store in Dirtmouth yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen rancid eggs in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

[jolly laurel]

So i'm trying to get into speedrunning and i looked at Fire's vid but its pretty old and I still don't think my timer is set up right, are there any more recent tips?

[stable moon]

There's a more updated guide made by Gwonkee, you can find it and more people to help in the speedrunning server in the pins

[hazy zealot]

thank you!!

[shell tulip]

Hi everyone, need a quick info check. Is QGA skip with CDash possible without normal Dash?

[steady lynx]

yes.

It's only a tiny bit tight

[gloomy whale]

Hi guys, i want to learn how to speedrun hollow knight but i didn't found anything. Does anyone have some tips or vids to learn the hollow knight speedrun please ?

[devout elm]

the Easy Speezy run is pretty good
if you're a beginner, it's perfect cause it does include major skips that you can learn easily, but cuts off some hard ones that are mainly optional
he did a 45 mins run

[gloomy whale]

Thank you ! I will check that

[devout elm]

you're welcome
what time are you aiming for?

[gloomy whale]

I never tried to speedrun hk so i will try first to finish a run under 1 hour i think

Idk if it's hard or not

[devout elm]

good luck on that

[devout elm]

on the first run, kind of

on the second it's much easier

[gloomy whale]

okay i will try, thank you my friend !

[devout elm]

no problem

[woven forge]

Im not a runner or anything but my first one was just under 3. under an hour first try would be pretty hard.

[lethal lark]

I mean is not that hard if you follow a tutorial, my first run was 1,5 hours long, and my third was a 58 minutes run

[analog pawn]

If you practice a bit first it is doable but if you just go in with a route from a tutorial I would be impressed by getting sub hour

unless you have other experience with hk speedruns or something

[spice vale]

Fireborn made a quite in depth series on it

[robust glade]

Hey

We can use this is speedrun?

I believe that more faster than shade skip, using WCS

[sturdy glade]

No

[formal bough]

unless you've already died to spawn the shade, you can't do that WCS

you're only allowed to use WCS if you can do the skip without it in the current room state

[sturdy glade]

Which is silly because then you don't have full soul

Or the shades geo

[formal bough]

I feel like I remember seeing a tas that does that

[sturdy glade]

I feel like I remember jarlyk did some runs doing whatever even if it's technically illegal

0 geo with swarm?

[robust glade]

okay, ;_;

at least, i try

I discovered a way to get to Salubra using an air jump, on the edge of a nearby platform, without needing any upgrades, such as the claw, or dash

I don't know if I was the first to discover this, but it's very interesting if you want to finish the game without upgrades

but, useless in a speedrun :/

[robust glade]

I thought you could use WCS just by being 1 pixel away from the wall, but apparently it needs some requirements

[vagrant warren]

You can do it technically, it's just against the NMG speedrun rules. And if you're running glitched there are faster things.

[robust glade]

hum interesting

[analog pawn]

we did do that for a while but now we go above the roof of that room to skip gruz mom instead

(in no main menu storage)

also doing a glitch called bench float is faster if you don't get the wcs first try I believe

and bench float is free

[robust glade]

What do you think of Low% NMMS, because I was thinking about making some runs in this category, even though it is currently dead

[analog pawn]

I do not recommend

[robust glade]

hahaahah yeah, is cursed

[analog pawn]

@steady lynx what did you think of the low% grind

you have a choice between 1/13 runs getting out of early game or doing a cursed airwalk jump and failed champ fight

I believe

[robust glade]

i like low% but is to hard and specific

[analog pawn]

I do recommend any% nmms

it is fun

[robust glade]

why?

[analog pawn]

the glitches are fun and it is not very difficult and bullshit

[robust glade]

i do any% AG but is confuse, bro tf,

room duplication is risky

[robust glade]

okay, i'll see

[analog pawn]

if you ask in the pinned server people can help you with videos with hitboxes and things for the room dupes and things

[robust glade]

oh, thanks for the tip

because, when i do RD glitch i don't see anything, in room duplicated

everything goes black and the knight is off screen, then my brain melts

@stable moon is a genius, tf

even that not be a thing so hard, in his own words

[steady lynx]

Low% NMMS is such a great category that after i finished one run I took a break from the game for 2 months

[robust glade]

hhahah

[steady lynx]

It's like trying to speedrun a stupid challenge run idea

[robust glade]

low% NMMS is cursed, because you have finish the game without any upgrades, it's sucks

[coral shore]

Pretty sure even if you nailwalk first try benchfloat is faster

at least thats what I got from timing it

[robust glade]

what is bench float?

[analog pawn]

[coral shore]

a glitch where you transition storage and then sit on a bench. allows you to "float"

within that room

[robust glade]

oooooh, i see this, in a run

but i forgot

i don't understand of why the speedrunner don't use WCS to do a airjump to go for blue lake, without needing do shade skip

From what I've seen, it's because of the any% NMG rules

[coral shore]

Because that is not allowed in NMG ruleset

[coral shore]

So you do understand

[robust glade]

But why is this not allowed?

[coral shore]

Because we decided so

[robust glade]

oh, okay

so be it then

[analog pawn]

the ruleset says that the room needs to be in a state which allows you to get there without the use of wcs

[robust glade]

hum, i don't knew this thx

[analog pawn]

so you can technically use wcs to get up when the shade is there

[steady lynx]

Oh right, I forgot the worst part about low% NMMS, something that made it beyond depressing and awful to run

[coral shore]

istg if you say playing on 1.5

[steady lynx]

I had to use 1.5, like, that's just inhumane

[coral shore]

heck off

[robust glade]

the 1.5 is the worst version?

to speedrunners, right?

[coral shore]

Not necessarily

Depends on what you are running

[steady lynx]

I just enjoy when I'm falling towards a platform and I land on it

[robust glade]

i see when you got stuck in air, without airjump

sucks

That's why low% NMMS is so hated

bro, i try PoP run, i would say that PoP is where I do best, but even so it's complicated because I can't do hitless, so I waste a lot of time in the run

[steady lynx]

Low% NMMS is like an ad for a free trampoline, you think it'll be fun, but it just leads to pain

[robust glade]

yeah, i agree

[rapid nest]

new route is on 1.3 optimally

[robust glade]

Is 1.3 available on Steam?

because, i don't found

[rapid nest]

yeah its just a lot more annoying because you have to download it manually

[analog pawn]

it's not that bad anymore

[steady lynx]

There's been a moment in time now that I've had all the main board nmms records, I don't see any reason to touch low% nmms again

[analog pawn]

at least you don't have to downpatch steam anymore, or do whatever you had to do before that

[robust glade]

Does anyone still use versions 1.0 in any category, or is it completely dead?

[analog pawn]

1.0 is technically about equal in all skills nmms I think

and I have time to play hk again so maybe

[rapid nest]

the only things people actually run on 1028 now are elegy% and 4ms lol

[analog pawn]

what about myla% nmms, the best meme category

[steady lynx]

4ms nmms, when the mods split the board

[robust glade]

and those beta versions, such as 1.5.58.11762? Do they still exist, or is there any way for someone to have access to them?

[steady lynx]

The public betas are available

[robust glade]

hmm, i'll try

[steady lynx]

But non full release versions are not allowed for runs

The source for my single rejected run was running on 1222

[robust glade]

Do you know the item duplication glitch, using the game's inventory?

is allowed, or stiil working in for 112%

?

[analog pawn]

not allowed in NMG

[robust glade]

That's what I thought, because this glitch provides infinite geo and pale ores, it would save a lot of time

I've always wanted to meet these speedrunners that I'm a fan of, like Staxis, Skate King, Gusten, or even Jarlyk, I'm a big fan of these guys, just talking to them would be something really cool

Just talking to people who are not from my country is already something really cool, because I've always been very closed to people from my country.

[thorn jasper]

they're more active in the speedrunning server (invite in the pins)

but also you were just talking to Gusten

[robust glade]

yeah

[coral shore]

wtf I need to up my speedrunning game to have more fans

[steady lynx]

Who's Gusten?

[thorn jasper]

gust in ||made you look||

[robust glade]

u r a speedrunner?

[coral shore]

A little

[analog pawn]

I also need to up my speedrunning game

[thorn jasper]

I also need to up my speedrunning game

[robust glade]

I'm your fan

[analog pawn]

I am a python fan

[robust glade]

and your also

[coral shore]

I'm the biggest slaurent and nialan fan 😤

[robust glade]

I'm a fan of all speedrunners, because I recognize how difficult it must be to restart the game 7857 times until you get WR

[verbal stag]

the trick is to never wr

[thorn jasper]

excuse me I only have 3564 attempts at 4 Mask Shards

[robust glade]

It took me 4842 tries to get out of King's Pass

lol

[analog pawn]

geting out of king's pass is difficult, that's why so many speedrunners reset to jinkie

[robust glade]

yes, I believe that the King's Pass is the biggest reset point for speedrunners

i be whatching "tas vs the floor is lava" of Jarlyk

and i see that the knight can do WCS without any difficult, Is it really like that, or is it easy because he is a TAS

[analog pawn]

because of TAS

there are some ways to do wcs that are easy but TAS does a frame perfect wiggle next to the wall

that is also dependent on other stuff

[robust glade]

oh, okay

something I also saw recently, in 1221 when the knight do a WCS he's touch in the ground and even so when he jump he continues with WCS activated, it's normal?

[analog pawn]

yeah, that's from jumping on the first physics frame you are on the ground

so the game never updates

you often have more than one frame to do it though because of interpolation

[robust glade]

You are the first person to talk to me, most people always ignored me when I said something or asked something :/

@analog pawn btw, which country are you from?

and I really like these speedrun topics, especially HK, my favorite game

[analog pawn]

Sweden

[devout elm]

getting screen stunt in greenpath

[steady lynx]

Same as me, that's insane

[analog pawn]

who could have guessed

[wide knoll]

Anyone have the charm build for speedrunning pantheon 4? Current patch

[primal hamlet]

strength, quick slash, steady body, fury, glory, flukenest iirc

[wide knoll]

Isn’t flukenest not as good current patch?

[past swallow]

I think it’s still pretty broken so long as you have shade soul

[analog pawn]

flukenest is extremely good on current patch

because of the hitboxes lingering

[primal hamlet]

not as broken as before, but regardless it is still very good.

you can get lots of value and timesave on lost kin for example

[wide knoll]

Gotcha

[primal hamlet]

https://youtu.be/-H2_3qXpxXI?si=qIgI-LIvCu156VYW

this should be the current WR iirc?

[analog pawn]

yeah

rainie is goated

[past swallow]

spits coffee
holy shit three minutes

how tf

wait

[analog pawn]

flukes

[past swallow]

more like four

but still

[primal hamlet]

watch it. its very well executed

[coral shore]

ig depends on the purpose

[primal hamlet]

im pretty sure this run is a good bit faster than 2nd place too

[past swallow]

“I fear no man… but that thing… it scares me.”

[wide knoll]

Damn it’s really hard to get used to steady body after not using it before

[primal hamlet]

it gets used frequently in challenge runs and speedruns where u have full gear

[analog pawn]

it's really good with flukes because you want very precise positioning for some multis

[robust glade]

Hhmm, I was thinking, can we do a stall ball, in ancient basin, so we don't need to do a shade skip, and save more time?

[robust glade]

but, in which patch? 1.5.58?

As far as I know, flukenest was glitched in 1.5.58 (beta)

[steady lynx]

Flukenest is broken one way or another in every single full release except for 1.3.1.5

[primal hamlet]

it doesnt give enough height to fully get over

it gives enough height to aggro the shade so u dont need to get a nail upgrade to do the shade skip

[coral shore]

thats for clawless

[primal hamlet]

maybe with mop u can

[analog pawn]

slopeball does let you fully get over

[primal hamlet]

ic

[analog pawn]

it is in the any% wr

for 1432+ ofc

no slopeball on 1221

[primal hamlet]

with just shaman?

[analog pawn]

yeah

[primal hamlet]

ah.
everytime ive done it its without shaman

[steady lynx]

Isn't there some category that does it shamanless

[primal hamlet]

i could only get high enough to barely aggro the shade but im not too good at slope ball

[steady lynx]

I thought for sure I routed it in as a joke in a category, but I guess not

[robust glade]

Well, I had tested and if you do a stall ball to get the monarch's wings without the crystal heart, just with the dash and the claw, you can already do it, because you can grab the corner of the platform

[analog pawn]

ye with claw it is possible

[robust glade]

i can use this to dashless route?

or in a cdashless route

[forest geyser]

first p1 run ever

in speedrun

[spice vale]

how do you do this without taking damage

[weary root]

you can start further away nail has a pretty big range

your nail cancels (nail -> fireball) are pretty good. you are losing a little height inbetween the two consecutive fireballs which means they're a little slow, but it's pretty tiny. mostly it's just starting too close

[spice vale]

ah I see thank you

[coarse tangle]

does the in game completion time count rta or lrt

[formal bough]

neither

[coarse tangle]

then what is it

[formal bough]

It's a complicated mix of both

It's closer to RTA though

(for example, the any% nmg wr is 31:24 lrt, 36:40 rta, and has a 36:06 on the completion time)

there's also bugs with the completion timer that allow you to have times less than a minute

[coarse tangle]

oh lmao

[coarse tangle]

so i woult assume it just excludes pausing and bench warping

but otherwise rta

[swift pendant]

i dont know how to speedrun but i want to learn are there any guides or people who could help me?

[vagrant warren]

Lots of both guides and people in the pinned server

[vagrant warren]

The in-game timer removes those yes (well, save & quits, as benchwarp isn't allowed for most runs). But pc games are timed with a load remover - pauses & menuing are included but the time between transitions is not, to equalize between pcs.

[light junco]

Does anyone has a route (or video or guide...) for the 100% in under 20 hours ?

[vagrant warren]

In pins Actually apparnelty not, I thought there was one included in the SRC guides but there isn't

[paper warren]

How hard is it to learn the no major glitches speedrun as someone who has only beat the first ending?

[heavy fractal]

The HK ending right?

[paper warren]

Yeah

[steady lynx]

I'd say it's somewhat easy to learn but very hard to master

[thorn jasper]

low equipment watchers will be pretty tough. everything else is manageable. and then if QGA is a roadblock just go deepnest

[spice vale]

can someone tell me what im doing wrong here, I never get the second aspid

It's always too high up

[severe flare]

im dumb

so i cant help

[wet oasis]

Just give it a fraction of a second longer before swinging

[analog pawn]

is this 1221 or lp

[steady lynx]

That'd hit on LP, has to be 1221

[analog pawn]

you need to hit it as early as possible on 1221

react to them moving in the background then jump and jump up and do the nail swing as early as possible

[stiff valve]

Hi, I'm new to speedrunning HK and 1.2.2.1 will not let me use my left click to attack when starting the game without manually resetting the bind after a new save. I read on an old forum there was something to fix this in #resources but the channel is not here anymore. Is there another fix or does anyone have the download?

[spice vale]

huh really? Every time I try to do it early I miss the second one

[weary root]

yeah that's a common issue with mouse binds on 1221

if you join the speedruninng server (link in the pins) you can get a program called blue.exe that helps with this

[stiff valve]

tyty

[analog pawn]

might be jump timing then

[steady lynx]

On 1221 you have to swing the stalactite as soon as possible as it starts falling to get the angle essentially

The thing is just getting a timing where you can do that and the aspids have spawned, but without them moving, because then it'll obviously not hit

Also top platform is better on 1221 and earlier, before anyone tries to claim you're doing that wrong

[analog pawn]

yeah top platform makes it more consistent, it gives you a small leeway because the aspids are likely to fly in a way that they still get hit if you only mess up very slightly

[steady lynx]

If you're on LP you should never do top platform though

[raven urchin]

Im trying to get into speedrunning a bit, is there a better way to do that fucking mantis skip

[coral shore]

Which skip exactly
And how are you doing it now

[steady lynx]

Mantis pogo or epogo?

Or maybe that Mantis Claw early control you can do on good versions

[dapper totem]

im new to speedrunning this game and i just wondered if i have to delete scarab for it to be allowed?

the run ofc

[formal bough]

Scarab is just the mod installer, deleting it doesn't help

You need to remove the modding api though

[dapper totem]

alright thanks was a bit confused

[analog pawn]

does scarab have a launch vanilla option? only been using lumafly lately so idr

if it does you can probably use that

[dusty dagger]

you can just press to disable modding API
wich basically turns in into vanilla

[dapper totem]

yea

[dapper totem]

i don't think it does tho

[steady lynx]

Lumafly has the launch vanilla option, it's a better mod loader anyway

[analog pawn]

yeah you can use the disable modding api button though

[steady lynx]

If modding api is installed the spaghetti icon will appear and then the verifiers will reject the run instantly on the main boards

This is legit the main reason we asked the 1.5 modding people if we could have a special icon that appears if mapi is installed

[dapper totem]

why is lumafly better?

[vagrant warren]

The problem is that button doesn't always work on scarab because it's inconsistent with backing up the vanilla assembly

[vagrant warren]

Less bugs, more features

[dapper totem]

so i should download lumafly instead or doesn't it really matter?

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest lumafly. But both have the same mods. Although lumafly will also show any non installer mods you have installed

[dapper totem]

alright thanks

[analog pawn]

ic, I barely run on LP so I wouldn't know

only done 4ms on 1.5 and have had lumafly for like 95% of the time with that at least

[spice vale]

am I jumping too early or too late?

[rapid nest]

surely itemless mantis village lever for low ge nmms

[analog pawn]

if the slash was early but you still missed one you jumped late

[spice vale]

alr thanks

[dapper totem]

Where do you find the best any% nmg guide? the one on speedrun.com says its not updated anymore:(

or route i should say

[dusty dagger]

Check pins here and in the speedrun server

[dapper totem]

Thanks

i didn't know there was a speedrun server

[steady lynx]

If you join the pinned server and check the help chat someone very recently used the command for the any% guides

[dapper totem]

thanks

is the fireborn one up to date tho? it's 4 years old.

i feel like something would happen in 4 years, but idk.

[steady lynx]

The segments for the bosses except WK is up to date enough in fire's, for movement check Gwonkee's guide, for WK pest's guide works

[dapper totem]

by movement does that mean route?

or just movement

sorry if im asking too much im new here

[steady lynx]

Movement is mostly room movement, if you need a guide for where to go I honestly just recommend watching a top run for where to go

[dapper totem]

alright thanks gusten you're the man

does your segment names on livesplit make sense or can it be whatever?

[steady lynx]

@idle cypress do split names have to make sense?

(The answer is no)

[dapper totem]

alright thanks

[steady lynx]

I still recommend using hksplitmaker (Found in pins) to make the file so the autosplits are right, you can rename the splits after

[dapper totem]

yea i was gonna, but it made no sense.

i guess that would be easier yea

[idle cypress]

Obviously, my splits always represent what happens in the split

[steady lynx]

Rename final split btw

It should be Horse

[idle cypress]

What's the carlbot command to set a reminder

[steady lynx]

remindme

[idle cypress]

So i can do it in bluecord

[steady lynx]

Lots of bots today huh, gg mods

[robust glade]

hi, regarding the 'private betas' that we have on the hollow knight betas page (In Steam), what do these 'private betas' mean and how do I have access to them?

[stuck raptor]

Private betas are a steam feature where devs can distribute patches to small groups using a code if they want

Like it says, this is usually used for beta testing reasons

[robust glade]

But, is there any way for me to access these beta tests, or is it exclusive to these small groups?

[stuck raptor]

No. You need a code

[robust glade]

hum, okay thank u

?tag 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[dapper totem]

can i downpatch the game with the use of the beta participation thingy

in steam

i think it worked

[thorn jasper]

yes, we encourage the steam beta for 1221 down patching

[shrewd hedge]

are there any resources for like frame data of attacks in this game?

[vagrant warren]

Like how long certain attacks take? probably someone knows, I'd suggest asking in the pinned server

[lofty flare]

Uhh yeah I gotchu

Dash: 28 to 29 frames
Slash: 10-11 frames (with turnaround), 29-ish frames without
Cdash startup: 80 frames
Fireball: 41-42 frames

Is there anything else you need atm?

Oh yeah freeze frames for getting hit last around 30 frames

It’s slightly less for entity kills iirc

This is assuming 100 fps frame rate btw

[night sierra]

why are some inconsistent?

[thorn jasper]

so cdash startup is 40 physics frames for example?

[keen siren]

my speedrun just got hardlocked bc I started focusing on thk at the wrong time

I was on such good pace too

[dapper totem]

i think it's a number in between

don't take my word to heart tho

[steady lynx]

It depends which graphics frame you started the input on

[night sierra]

graphics frames dumb iirc

[steady lynx]

It's a bit of a Unity moment, but it's very funny regardless

[night sierra]

just had a thought, could narts theoretically be used to fallstall?

[formal bough]

yeah nailarts are an air stall

not a very powerful one but I know of at least one skip that only works by using cyclone as a bonus airstall

[last coyote]

Do yall use the bench tp glitch to skip ancestral mound or is there a bench warp or smth

[rapid nest]

the bench tp glitch isn't allowed in no major glitches categories but it is used in glitched speedruns

although most glitched runs just do claw first and skip vs now

[night sierra]

what are all glitch categories? just nmg nmms and all glitches?

[rapid nest]

yes

there are a few unofficial glitched categories which arent very popular and theres rando rules which is basically just nmg but no slopeball/shrogo

[steady lynx]

Being less popular than nmms is honestly kinda impressive

Wait, so rando people wanted slopeball and shrogo legal in nmg since it'd be fun in rando, but then proceeded to ban it from rando

[steady lynx]

Even AS NMMS on 1.3 doesn't get VS now

[night sierra]

slopeball and shrogo are major glitches?

learned something new

[steady lynx]

they should be, but they aren't

[lofty flare]

RTA fps fluctuation

The values are only exact in TAS

[lofty flare]

Yeah I suppose

But as Gusten said depends where you start somewhat

[lofty flare]

Actually there’s a ton we couldn’t do without them

[spark vapor]

@final sinew

[final sinew]

yep

thx

[bright bobcat]

hello

i want to start speedrunning but don't know where to start

[analog pawn]

Start of by choosing a category. I recommend any%, all skills or a category extension like 4 mask shards or myla% to start. In the speedrunning server that is pinned here there is lots of helpful people who can point you to resources that can help you get started.

[bright bobcat]

i think i might go for any%. i was able to downpatch the game from steam. but don't know what to do next. like i heard you can install mods to be able to practice but i don't know how that works

[analog pawn]

there is a guide for that made by lep

is a command for it in the speedrunning server

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLH-aXtMsmPYq8ZvwV9G7s3uIz_6AlIygz

here

[bright bobcat]

THX

[glass ether]

How do I record the runs i try

Just like obs or something?

[analog pawn]

yeah obs is good

[glass ether]

What if my computer turns into a slideshow presentation when i use obs

[weary root]

Yeah I recommend obs studio, just make sure you're getting game audio and that none of the hud elements are being covered by anything (livesplit for example)

[glass ether]

I have a really crap computer

Ig i probably should have mentioned that beforehand

[analog pawn]

obs can be quite heavy yeah, but there are a lot of performance changes you can do like what fps and resolution you record at etc.

[weary root]

I think some people play with the game being really small

[glass ether]

Ok thanks

[analog pawn]

yeah window size and stuff is also good to look at

[glass ether]

Also how do you get the speedrunner tag on your name

[analog pawn]

in here it isn't used anymore, just something from the past that lets you see archived channels

[glass ether]

Well i still want one /:(

[analog pawn]

To get it in the speedrun discord you need to have a verified run and have discord connected to speedrun.com. Then you can use a command

[glass ether]

Oh ok

[analog pawn]

that discord is pinned here

[glass ether]

Dang it

I have a good run but I have no evidence

Other than a picture of the run time ig

[analog pawn]

yeah, we require a recordinh

[glass ether]

Sadge

I got a 49 minute current patch any% on a plane

Oh well

Its ok

Thanks for help

[weary root]

Great way to spend a flight tbh

[glass ether]

Fr

[tidal slate]

What % is low %

[analog pawn]

low% nmg is 11%

[cold leaf]

i'm a longtime player trying to get into speedrunning this game casually, but i'm not sure what category to start with
any recommendations for categories that avoid dark deepnest? (i'm okay with dark peaks)

[analog pawn]

any% is an easy recommendation then, with cdash route

[steady lynx]

All Skills NMG (Has a tiny bit of darknest, but nothing hard) and any% NMG are the easier beginner categories

[cold leaf]

will look into both of those, ty

[lofty flare]

Hop on TAS so you don’t have to timing anything

Still hard and time consuming as fuck but its fine

Honestly the fact that I finished TE in only 3 months is boggling to me

[shell tulip]

Hi everyone, important question: what's the current status of known shriek pogo skips? Like, I know people use it to skip a section of White Palace, but is there any challenge runs that implement it? Is the skip considered NMG? Do people study it?

[dusky drum]

uhm, i encountered a glitch of somesort? I just got back from the ancestral mound (I did the falseknight boss fight skip) And im locked out by some bars?

[night sierra]

there's a lever to get rid of them

that's not a glitch

if you still think it is send a screenshot please

[dusky drum]

oh, okay i dint see

[night sierra]

yeah if you've played that little of the game don't claim something is a glitch without trying out some things yourself

[steady lynx]

Nah, it's always better to check in case it is a glitch, one day someone could find something big and think it might be intended if they think like that

[vagrant warren]

This isn't true assuming they mean the False Knight bars, those just stay there until you actually finish the fight normally

[night sierra]

I guess but like
seriously missed ancestral mound lever

[dusky drum]

oh no, i've played quite alot of the game

this is the glitch

[vagrant warren]

that's not a glitch

That's just what happens when you don't kill him

[dusky drum]

how do i get by it?

[vagrant warren]

you go around

[dusky drum]

oh

i see

lol ty i forgot

[lofty flare]

it is considered NMG

yes

[honest saffron]

I wanted to learn the speedrun for not so long ago, I decided to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 to get inventory drop and lever skips but in some rooms I just got literally 2 fps, maybe the rooms are very unpolished but I havent seen anyone else have this problem, the rooms are: Kings station stag (I dont need help with it because it got fixed with turning the particles to low) the watcher knight bench and the THK death after you beat him, it all seems to be because of particles and only one room got fixed with low instead of normal, please tell me if you have experienced this or have any potencial solutions, thank you.

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-24535655 its when he does this. (ignore the text, it was the only GIF i found lol.)

[vagrant warren]

You can try lowering the overall game resolution/playing in a smaller window, but if your PC can't handle 1221 (which is a very poorly optimized patch) the only real solution is to run on latest patch instead.

[honest saffron]

Alright, gotcha.

[lilac forge]

W answer

[lofty flare]

yes to the last question

its nmg and yes people study/check locations sometimes

[barren socket]

please tell me, I copied the moddingapi and debugmod files, but the game does not start 🙂

[analog pawn]

what patch

[kindred fog]

Can someone send a link to a good thk Speedrun tutorial? Im trying to do radiance and I want to see how to make THK faster

[livid heath]

PB for me

I hit split accidentally at the end thas why the blue isnt there

but im happy with this

[strong kettle]

https://youtu.be/UYLHzAsuhB8

I just did this run a while ago and was wondering if anyone could give me some tips to improve

Srry bout the voices in the video

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest checking out runs on SRC & joining the server in pins where there are more active runners to chat with

[lilac forge]

just did 100% in 4 hrs

Idk if that's good

[vagrant warren]

if you're happy with it, it's good. If you want to see how it compares to others, you can check the leaderboards

[lilac forge]

ik the wr is 1hr 30 mins or smth

there's no category for 100%

just 100% TE

which I don't do

[lofty flare]

Because getting 100% isn’t a trigger

You have to get an actual ending

[grim iron]

NIX?

WHAT HAPPEN

[sturdy glade]

Either get a very specific distance from a wall or dash into a dropping gate

[marble bobcat]

skip

[night sierra]

is it theoretically faster to overcharm for the double damage and get rid of the time for 2 hits?

[steady lynx]

If you have charms to overcharm with and need to overcharm again later in the run yes

[night sierra]

what kind of category is long enough to have to overcharm and does blue lake shade skip

[rapid nest]

probably true ending

[night sierra]

yeah ig

[steady lynx]

Specifically 1432+

Since it gets steady body or some shit

[rapid nest]

1221 tas should too

[steady lynx]

Yeah, with Catcher early control

[night sierra]

does 1221 tas get fury

[weary root]

iirc it does because it skips vs and does itemless baldur

[night sierra]

wtf im learning so much new stuff itemless baldur is faster?
also i have watched the 1221 tas in full and ig i just didnt pay attention

[steady lynx]

Btw, does anyone know a bench that has coordinates that just happen to line up with where a transition in any other room is? Asking for a friend

[rapid nest]

can you not just DI

[night sierra]

52 benches there probably is one but idk, what do you need it for?

what is DI

[weary root]

Delayed Interaction

[steady lynx]

I need one that when I die I just spawn on a bench inside a load

Wanna see if it gives noclip

[night sierra]

and what does it do

[weary root]

We should make a masterdoc of every rooms size tbh

[steady lynx]

I was testing a few, but got lazy and gave up

[weary root]

We don't have a tech post on delayed Interaction

[rapid nest]

wait crystal guardian remains a boss scene after death???

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's like fk

Realistically I could have just, turned on noclip and moved the Knight into a transition while respawning

[rapid nest]

greenpath stag and epogo, it does not give noclip

[steady lynx]

Well

[rapid nest]

i think the noclip is only on file load isnt it

[steady lynx]

It was a funny idea, almost glad it didn't work

[rapid nest]

probably too niche to be useful anyway

back to hunting for a room that spawns me directly in the upper godhome transition

[steady lynx]

I know 1028 can technically do it on a respawn with extremely fast loads

[weary root]

If you interact with something (like a bench, item, door, etc.) as you're leaving the point you can interact with it, while doing something that prevents the interaction (like using nail, or while cdashing) the interact message will stay even though you've moved out of range. You can then interact with it later even though you're nowhere near it in the room

[steady lynx]

Oh, Rosie, how fast are your loads?

[rapid nest]

very slow, i didnt think of that you should probably test it

bring back nldg

[weary root]

Oh I love load dependant glitches

/s

[steady lynx]

even if it works I can't see it being very useful

Takes too long after respawning before the Knight becomes able to activate loads

1.3+ also makes sure that you can't cast spells while respawning so that won't work either

Honestly, if a glitch saved time and was only possible with really fast loads I'd just want it banned in some way

[weary root]

ban collector scream skip in pantheons

[steady lynx]

Yeah sure

If you can't get it you're probably playing on console or sawa's old PC anyway

[weary root]

I think 211a can't get it

[steady lynx]

I honestly meant more for like nmms and stuff

So i guess ban damage tank Collector scream skip in pantheons from nmms

[weary root]

Nevermind they can it's only console and sawa's old pc

[rapid nest]

ok there are apparently 0 transitions in the entire game that properly align with the godhome roof transition

[steady lynx]

You mean the one above p3 that leads to p5 area

Or the one that goes down from p5 area?

[rapid nest]

the one above p3

its active for a small amount of time and you can hit it, ive done it with a savestate

[steady lynx]

Godhome being such a wide and tall room kinda, yeah makes sense

[rapid nest]

oh wait this wouldnt work anyway because it only loads when you load the godhome room and it doesnt re-appear if you load another room in a dupe

[weary root]

would it be enough to have one slightly above that you could oob out of and fall into it?

[steady lynx]

So you wanted to enter a load that put you inside it for that moment, hit water after going up, enter p5, kill a pv you loaded earlier and have that take you to absrad

Which you then kill with an explosion or something

[rapid nest]

there is another possible option which is to hit the load after hitting the orb on 1424, which also spawns the load in for a split second

but you cant get up fast enough with just regular jump speed

and i dont think even gusten's loads would be fast enough to make hitting the orb and going into a transition that spawns you in the godhome roof load work

[steady lynx]

I heavily doubt that with how much default wait TC put in transitions

[rapid nest]

is there literally anything in the game that gives you faster vertical speed than just jumping

elevator storage i guess

that might work

[steady lynx]

Televator into the load with elevator storage

[rapid nest]

there arent any elevators far enough to the right for that

[steady lynx]

Or have a dgate placed in the load, do the dgate and then hit the Orb while teleporting

Active room has to be overworld though

It would very much whitescreen you though

[rapid nest]

that is a good idea actually

[steady lynx]

I was bound to have one eventually

[rapid nest]

now if only 1424 had fuctioning srqol so this didnt take forever to test

[steady lynx]

Wouldn't you have to finish p1-4 anyway for the Orb to spawn

[rapid nest]

no thats the point of 1424, its always there

[steady lynx]

I did not know that

[rapid nest]

im pretty sure i literally learned that from you

[steady lynx]

I must have forgotten it

Replaced with information about colos not liking being room duped

Oh, but you'd still have to enter a pure vessel fight at some point

[rapid nest]

yeah for regular GE youd just do p5 normally, theres no way to set up the pure vessel thing quickly

for low% ge you could maybe get it to work but i still dont know of a way to travel enough horizontal distance to reach the arena

[steady lynx]

It'd be nice to skip p1-4 and all the boss requirements at least

Maybe not even get any spells, just roll Fury Quickslash with nail 4

Or Fury Strength since quickslash is a bit out of the way

Nvm, quickslash can be gotten in less than a minute on the way to voidheart

[rapid nest]

i think it would probably be faster to do shade soul flukenest than get nail 4

[steady lynx]

Main issue I see with that is pv

Flukes don't damage it unless it's in the air

[rapid nest]

oh yeah thats an issue

shriek is probably not fast either since theres no reason to be anywhere near wraiths

[steady lynx]

You'd need a way to increase to 3 rooms really quickly to bully Grubfather for the pale ores

[rapid nest]

triple redupe through false knight

[steady lynx]

Just keep tall room loaded and enter FK arena i guess

Btw, did we ever test if duping into an upwards load in noclip saves you from floating flying?

[rapid nest]

yeah it does

[steady lynx]

Sweet, that's almost never useful

I just realised that you can get from fk arena back to tall room without upwards transition

[night sierra]

I got lost all the way back here is this even about lowge

[steady lynx]

I was talking about regular GE, according to Rosie it'd save some %'s in lowge if it worked

Not NMG of course

[lilac forge]

why do I not get tped to dirtmouth after I bench reset after breaking the big door in kingspass

is it patch issue maybe?

[analog pawn]

wdym

like that you spawn in the beginning of Kings pass?

because if so you just didn't walk out far enough to hit the save trigger

[lilac forge]

how far out is the save trigger?

do I have to jump down to hit it?

[analog pawn]

no you just have to walk out for like half a second, assuming you want to respawn outside kp

[lilac forge]

oh, ty it works now

[analog pawn]

Yippee

[lofty flare]

its faster yes

skipping VS in general saves time

but its not humanly viable in runs

[night sierra]

nix im trying speedrun 2 but i died like 3 times so far bc my d key is cursed

[raven urchin]

how do i git gud at difficult skips like explosion pogo, acid skips, shade skips, etc

[stuck raptor]

Practice

[weary root]

practise. there are tutorials for all of these things if you join the hk speedrunning server which there's a link to in the pins^

[jaunty relic]

Bruh just a practice. Like P5 at first time

[sacred thunder]

Alternatively learn major glitches and noclip through everything

[analog pawn]

I am for this method

[sturdy glade]

W method

[steady lynx]

Simply cheat (using glitches is cheating)

[sturdy glade]

The only valid ruleset is all glitches because all other rulesets are arbitrary

[steady lynx]

AG is arbitrary, can't even timer manip

[sturdy glade]

True I forgot about those bs bans

Why don't we have an anything goes category where we can do the mega glitches

[steady lynx]

Anything Goes

So AG?

I'm a big fan of No Menu Glitches NMG

[sturdy glade]

The link got nuked

[steady lynx]

Damn, that was instant, gg Dyno

[coral shore]

Dyno didn't THROW

[steady lynx]

Did you just make it insta-ban key words that the bots use?

[sacred thunder]

Nah they wouldn’t

[steady lynx]

the mods will 1984 me if I tell people how to get free WR

[steep condor]

All glitches is incredibly hard to perform unless bro spends 5 years training or he’s just a god, because AG top speed run is sub 5 min iirc

Non-arguably harder than just playing the game normally

[steady lynx]

Congrats Staxis on spending 5 years learning any% AG

[sharp swallow]

is 35 mins for p5 good, just wondering

[rapid nest]

why? because people can't stomach going so fast? or because they have small brains and can only handle one room at a time? idk. either way, staxis is a BEAST! literally transcending both space and time for the sake of more SPEEEEEED! he bends the reality of the game with his hands! he turns truths into suggestions, chaos into order, loads into weapons, hardlocks into timesaves, he creates out of thin air that which he needs to go FASTER. why is nmg so popular? the limited mind of the runner, the lack of drive to learn the tools at their disposal, and three casual save files they refuse to move. like guys come on, just make a copy, they're in C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight. they have no excuse. open your minds, nmg runners

[rapid nest]

its about 20 minutes slower than the world record

[sharp swallow]

oh….

lol

thats my fastest time for p5 😭

ive given up speedrunning

[night sierra]

hop ag nmg

[raven urchin]

I could never get a WR at this game im just not good enough

[stuck raptor]

Ok

[steady lynx]

Just fake it until you make it

[analog pawn]

You can learn and get a pretty good time in AG quite quickly actually

any% AG is like one of the most beginner friendly glitched categories

it's just very short

Staxis is indeed cracked though

[lilac forge]

can I share my livesplits here?

[steady lynx]

Sure

[lilac forge]

I forgot how to reset times...

nvm I found it

[analog pawn]

we usually just share screenshots for this exact reason