speedrunning

[stable quarry]

Yes unless you use a glitch to skip the wings pickup animation.

[knotty arch]

what's the control for getting debugmod menu up for the 1221 version?

it's not in the mods part of options but it says it's active on the top left

f1 isn't doing anything and that's what normally works

[acoustic dirge]

Hmm

How to done shade soul/vengeful spirit skip? I know that its depends on hit boxes or smth like that

[round elbow]

Hi! I'm starting the any% NMG speedrun of Hollow Knight and wanted to know which guide is still current! Thanks

[vagrant warren]

There's not a fully updated guide for the current route but the most up to date resources are in the pinned server

[vagrant warren]

Fireball skips rely on the pushback & resetting your fall speed. There are tutorials on YouTube as well as resources in the pinned server

[shell spindle]

Ah right

[rugged flower]

||Guys i just made it to greenpath||

[stable quarry]

Good pace?

[rugged flower]

currently 53m and 35.634 sseconds

[shell spindle]

:0oh god not that pain game

[vagrant warren]

do you mean save states? Those are part of debug. There's a tutorial on using them in the pinned servers.

[knotty arch]

is there a way to remove the 2/3 soul thing from dying with debugmod for 1221? I often get like the noclip glitch thing which i need to kill self to fix but when i'm just benchwarping to a place i need to practise and save stating my shade just never appears

mb if it's supposed to be in modding discussion but it seems like ppl here wld have more experience with this issue

it's no big deal if it's unfixable, setting up any save state with debugmod and benchwarp takes max 1 minute anyway

it's just annoying

i'm assuming my shade spawns in kings pass or something cos the game never registers me entering a different area

[stuck raptor]

isn't there a kill shade hotkey

[knotty arch]

lemme check i'm probably being dumb

[stuck raptor]

[knotty arch]

oh shit i forget ppl here don't like pings

mb

there's a kill all hotkey

lemme test if that kills my shade

wait not hotkey bind

[stuck raptor]

that's for all enemies on screen

[knotty arch]

idk the difference

i mean i could give myself a soul vessel if it happens but like

that doesn't play the same

and for uumuu the soul vessel difference really matters

i can't find it if it does exist

there are a lot of commands i don't understand which might do it

on an entirely different note is hit, pogo into insta dash, hit, fireball; or hit dash over hit, fireball, hit better against the watcher knight sword 1,2?

[knotty arch]

crashed the game with a fireball (it's 1;09 in if you can't sit through how ass my computer is)

[knotty arch]

if u can stand my awful computer tho i'm still looking for more tips to make the fight a bit faster

i think i cld give it a bit more

i've only done like 2 hours practise now but idk what to rly practise now i can beat them like this pretty consistently

[stable moon]

you can pause and unpause to fix this

it happens if you kill enemies on consecutive frames

[knotty arch]

i ended up doing that after being confused for like 20 seconds lol

first time that bug has happened to me

regardless tho do ppl have advice for a very very beginner speedrunner and how to be faster with wk?

[stable quarry]

If you have 0 soul then you can dream nail two watcher knights before starting the fight for more soul.

Watching top level runners do wk can really help ime
https://youtu.be/aVsHv7S9vUM?si=4Le_aOBmlQLTKM1r

[vestal skiff]

is explosion pogo doable on latest patch? i saw its apparently harder/not unless u haev QoL mod which i do but idk what im supposed to do

[formal bough]

Having any mod is illegal for speedrunning but I figure you know this, here's a link with a timestamp for 1221 epogo methods https://youtu.be/dke1SRL8wL0?t=556

1221 epogo is the same as QoL epogo afaik

(latest patch epogo is harder and different)

(but still possible)

[vestal skiff]

im just speedrunning for fun, used to speedrun portal and hl2 but never tried to post it

and tyvm!

is there any settings i have to turn on in the qol mod?

[formal bough]

I think epogo is enabled by default in qol

Somewhere in settings is a toggle called Explosion Pogo though

[vestal skiff]

found it its on ^^

[knotty arch]

on an any% nmg practise run i got hit by the big guy on the left of the part below watcher knights into the loading zone and it wrong warped me

i have footage of it i think

can crop to just that

is it a known glitch?

was on vanilla 1221

[stuck raptor]

Depends what you mean

Sounds like a typical oob

[analog pawn]

It's very likely to be known

[knotty arch]

imma crop it right now so it's easier

and ye i assumed so

but wrong warps excite me

[analog pawn]

Where did you end up?

[knotty arch]

i think the room next to watcher knights bench

like directly below where i was meant to go

[stuck raptor]

Sounds like oob. And then you hit the loading zone right below

[analog pawn]

Yeah

[stuck raptor]

And ended up leaving bench room

[analog pawn]

Got control in the transition and fell into the bench room one

[stuck raptor]

Yaya. Very known

[knotty arch]

i'll get the clip just to make sure cos it was kinda funny

does it invalidate an nmg run?

it hindered me

but wrongwarps are kinda major glitches

why tf does microsoft make cropping a video so fucking hard

[stuck raptor]

It's not a wrong warp.

[analog pawn]

Yeah

[stuck raptor]

You just went out of bounds

And absolutely it invalidates an NMG run

You can't go out of bounds in that

[analog pawn]

Sometimes when you do a major glitch and lose time it is looked over but quite certain oob will always invalidate

[knotty arch]

i'm so technologically incompetent that I just screen captured the video at the right part

mb for not getting the right place immediately and bad quality

is this the so called oob?

it was a bad run regardless but very unlucky way to lose it

idk why it's suddenly gone to 2 fps

nm

i give up

it'll be the oob thing

it wld make sense if it gave me noclip somehow

[rapid nest]

maybe you shouldnt be playing on 1221 if you get that fps

[analog pawn]

It didn't give you noclip, you just fell out of bounds into another transition

[knotty arch]

it's an obs thing, my fps is generally completely fine

[willow thicket]

Nice clip

[teal idol]

エスカレーターのマヨネーズ
上の階に行くから、また会いましょう
バイバイ、空へ
とてもハイになっているあなたに会いたい
ここに留まらないのはわかってるだろう
あなたはどんどんエスカレートしていきます
私の人生から
そして私の一日から
今私を見てください
また会いたいです
私はあなたに誓います、私のマヨネーズ友達

[proud cove]

Would anyone have any experience with downpatching on macOS? I've been searching for a long time now and I can't find any tutorials that work

[formal bough]

isn't 1221 a steam beta now

if you're on steam and want either 1221, 1432, or latest patch it is really easy to switch between them

[proud cove]

right, ty. Is there a way to have both versions ready like 2 different games (that way, I wouldn't have to wait 5 min for the versin to switch?)

[formal bough]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides/jlten, scroll down to multiple installed patches

(this link also mentions the steam betas)

(and is the downpatching guide for hollow knight)

[proud cove]

I've tried this before. On macOS, when I go to the game files there is only an app (now 'data' folder). When I only copy the app-file and do the whole txt file, it doesn't work. It just load HollowKnight from steam (the og patch)

[formal bough]

well the thing on your desktop isn't what launches the game

[proud cove]

wdym

then what does?

[formal bough]

To be specific, when steam puts an app launcher on your desktop and you use it all it does is it says "hi steam please launch the game with this id"

what you actually need to launch it is to use the app file in the ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight folder

and that's what you're copying as well

[proud cove]

That's what I copy

but in that folder there is just the app, no additional data

[formal bough]

yeah

if you click show package contents it'll show so much more

I don't know what the Hollow_Knight_Data file is in that screenshot tbh

well, there's a data file inside contents inside the app actually

probably that, just located differently

since mac / windows

anyway are you telling me that:

On [1.5 arbitrarily] you copy the app and put it somewhere else / rename the folder
You update steam to 1221
You launch through steam and get 1221
You launch through double clicking your copy of the app and you still get 1221? instead of 1.5?

[proud cove]

I did it the other way around (copied 1221 and then switched back to 1.5) but yes

plus I did the whole txt file thing

WAIT WHAT?

I'm sorry. For some reason I just tried it now and it worked

I feel incredibly dumb

thanks for your time

[formal bough]

it happens

[lost scarab]

eeeey pb

[stable quarry]

how does this work?

[steady lynx]

I have no idea

But it sure does work

[vestal skiff]

i finally learned it tysm for help 8) https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/23Grtf--MaJjXc/d1337hzVbocO?invite=cr-MSxORzIsNTAzNDM3Miw

[vestal skiff]

and thsi is on current patch for reference, i learned it on 1.2.2.1 but its no different on current patch with qol mod

[stable quarry]

time to learn double dash

[vestal skiff]

whats that?

i wanna learn acid dash next i think

[steady lynx]

The 2nd best Mario Kart game

[stable quarry]

This but easier

[steady lynx]

Or the best Mantis pogo strategy

[vestal skiff]

oh i thought thats just called mantis pogo

i do wanna learn that yeah

[stable quarry]

Yeah this is called dashless mantispogo

double dash mantispogo looks different

[stable quarry]

this is double dash it's a fast and consistent way of doing mantis pogo

[vestal skiff]

yep tahts next up

[placid cosmos]

Just finished

2 failed runs and 1 successful one

[vestal skiff]

https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/23GP61Iwe3Jzu3/d1337ikpx4m0?invite=cr-MSxOelQsNTAzNDM3Miw

not too sure if im supposed to stand somewhere for the mantis to be setup right/

because im not doing it very consistently lol

[stable quarry]

You want to dash as heigh as possible and stand approximately on the red line and fireball

I'm probably not doing a great job explaining it. But once you learn it then it is consistent.

[vestal skiff]

i think i nkow what u eman

[stable quarry]

https://youtu.be/K5yUX98-76A?si=gHsG8llj6yNHhbsz&t=1983

[jaunty carbon]

hi i wanted to get started on speedrunning hk and i wanted to ask something, is the e poggo skip patched in the current patch and am i meant to run it on a previous one or with a mod?

sorry for bad english and thanks

nvm found it on the speedrunning website thank you anyways

[analog pawn]

You can only pogo the projectile and not the explosion on current patch. The trick is still possible but more difficult because of that. We have separate leaderboards for patches after 1432 and before that

So that's up to preference

Running with mods is not allowed at all. You can't even have the modding api

[tranquil sonnet]

new best

2h 3 min

[copper walrus]

Yo. Is Crystal Dash route still faster than Isma's route? Or do we know for sure?

[weary root]

it is

on the 1.4.3.2+ category isma's is faster though

but still slower than 1221 cdash

[copper walrus]

Oh nice

Ohhh it's because of stallball

Makes sense

Cool that it gave this route purpose

Other than saving Myla that is

[copper walrus]

For those familiar with the Isma's Stall Ball. Do I have to pogo the VS immediately or delay it?

Even when I do manage to get the stall ball I can never pogo it

[copper walrus]

This is what I'm doing rn:

https://fxtwitter.com/KJpixel14/status/1773573396548256004?s=20

[weary root]

I would recommend joining the speedrunning server (link in the pins^), there's a lot more information and reasources there

[copper walrus]

Bet

[glass drift]

How are speed runners able to replay path of pain over and over?

[analog pawn]

Using an assembly called minisavestates that lets you put a save outside the entrance

It is allowed for individual level runs

[vestal skiff]

anyone down for an any% nmg race on stream? im a bit new so no pros please 😭 hmu in dms

[mystic granite]

If my path of pain Speedrun video don't have title screen, can it still be accepted?

[stable quarry]

No

[vagrant warren]

Most of the speedrunners are in the pinned server, there is a race ping there

[worldly spear]

any tips to start speed running just for fun? I'm on console and don't have mods , and I'm almost done with godhome so I'm running out of stuff to do

[steady lynx]

Don't focus too much on getting a perfect run first day or something

[shell spindle]

nah trust u get wr 1st run

[steady lynx]

Run a category nobody has ran, surely there's at least one left on src

[shell spindle]

cactus be like

moch too

[worldly spear]

thank u friend !!!

[rapid nest]

i think there are 8 or something on src

[steady lynx]

Has tigrin updated the spreadsheet

11 boards with no runs

[worldly spear]

My shortest run so far is 15 hr normal ending so I have a lot to practice 😭

[rapid nest]

107 ag, all skills ps5, hundo ag, AAAG, ABBGAG, ABHDAG, ABGTAG

[steady lynx]

Including the probably impossible GH% NG+ Warpless AG

[worldly spear]

I like your funny words magic man

I have no idea what any of that means btw

[steady lynx]

A lot of them are just letters

Big fan of not ever running AAAG

[rapid nest]

AAAG would probably be fun if there was actually a route

[worldly spear]

Once I figure out what the fuck AAAG is I'll make one 💪 /j

[steady lynx]

All Achievements All Glitches

[worldly spear]

Ahh

[steady lynx]

Probably the hardest run to route

It'd probably require 1.5 so I'm not touching it

Hey Rosie, you're good at routing stuff right

I'd ask python, but he's busy routing hundo AG

[rapid nest]

surely routing 500 hunters journal enemy dupes will be simple

[steady lynx]

I don't even know how to do Main Menu Storage

I'm like the worst glitched runner ever

[coral shore]

CC was almost done with a route iirc

[rapid nest]

"almost"

[coral shore]

well idr where he stopped

[steady lynx]

He stopped when he got to enemies

[rapid nest]

p5bo nmms is free

[steady lynx]

I actually routed that

After the blind run

[jade torrent]

Can somebody maybe send me the link off the Hk speedrunners discord?

[wraith trellis]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[short kite]

Can someone help me route true ending speedrun

Please

[weary root]

https://pastebin.com/raQmK7xC

or https://pastebin.com/bfru1T23

Or you can just start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill radiance

[worldly bronze]

nvm i forgot that goodseeker MMS loads you in with void heart

oops!

[stable quarry]

Yeah they are the exact same but you fight the radiance

[verbal sail]

First (in game) sub hour let's goo

first deathless any% run too (aside from shadeskip)

now I have to actually learn skips and setups

[formal bough]

<@&283547423706447872>

ty

[boreal trench]

might be very specific for this channel but anyone speedruns or knows someone who speedran NKG

[formal bough]

The channel that would be best to ask about NKG% would be the #misc channel in the hollow knight speedrunning discord, invite in the pins

[boreal trench]

ty

[primal hamlet]

as in a speedkill of the fight?

[shell spindle]

probably like 20 seconds after bow

just kill him with shrieks on 1st balloon

[vagrant warren]

If they're talking about the actual nkg% speedrun, all you have for the fight is shade soul shaman

[shell spindle]

ah yea speedkill is shriek % is yea

[boreal trench]

yes but like are there any visual cues to position yourself

also yes I was talking about a speedkill

[primal hamlet]

ive done some nkg speedkills 🙀

[boreal trench]

no way

[primal hamlet]

have u watched the WR for it?

[boreal trench]

what's the current one

[primal hamlet]

its fairly straightforward imo

[primal hamlet]

like 11 or 12 sec

[boreal trench]

is it like 2 years old

[primal hamlet]

ye

pretty sure thats the fastest

[boreal trench]

yeah I've watched it

[boreal trench]

that's my main question

[primal hamlet]

for what

[boreal trench]

granted I tried for like 10 min yesterday while being tired so

for shriek

[primal hamlet]

stand slightly to the right of grimm

u should kinda be under the godseekers head almost

or like under their right eye

[boreal trench]

yeah I was trying something with the godseeker but the background moved or smth it was weird

but I'll see once I give it a proper shot

[primal hamlet]

super rng reliant run

ig most speed kills are tho

[boreal trench]

obviously

[north notch]

has any speedrunner cheated by making the timer go like 0.0001% faster so they get a couple less seconds

[stuck raptor]

No. At least not runners where that amount of time matters. What would be the point? The whole idea of speedrunning is self improvement, learning, and growth. Cheating on timing completely defeats the point and someone who does that doesn't understand speedrunning and will never get a top time

[stable quarry]

Besides the timer going faster would make the timer show a bigger number so if someone does that to try and cheat then that would be silly xD

[small otter]

whats the world record for hornet fight?

cause i got 12.28

[coral shore]

Holy shit we got blue speedrunner role for today I didn't realise

[thin rune]

omg

[small otter]

is it 10 secs?

[thin rune]

in p1 fastest hornet fight seems to be 8.74

[formal bough]

oh wow

[steady lynx]

what

@potent mountain can we keep it? Also happy birthday

[potent mountain]

Lmao

[analog pawn]

speedrunner role the most important role

I do kinda want to see the archived chats though

[steady lynx]

You could just bother python until he gives it to you

[coral shore]

🐑

[analog pawn]

[tough relic]

Can I be blue 🥺

ty Yippee

[raven holly]

Hello Zaliant

sry wrong server

[coral shore]

@raven holly what can speedrunning staff even do

Can you pin messages in the channel

or like delete them here or like anything

[raven holly]

I can pin and delete

[coral shore]

Ok I see

[raven holly]

I can't ban people tho D:

[coral shore]

Wow

[raven holly]

I think not being able to ban people is just an April Fools joke. Surely mods will give me back the power tomorrow!!!!

[thin rune]

blue is so cool

[vagrant warren]

It is indeed

[verbal stag]

what if i had blue role just as a joke ahaha

[ember imp]

no

[verbal stag]

true speedrunning is cringe

back to hitless pure vessel speedkills

[thin rune]

that would be pretty funny imo

[coral shore]

Would be pretty crazy

[verbal stag]

🐍 🧙

[thin rune]

:3

[vagrant warren]

It's not generally given out anymore, unless someone has an actual need for it ... & as you don't have it in the speedrun server, do you actually have any SRC runs?

[coral shore]

I give it to people who have a verified run and ask

But I dont think eloki has runs no

[jagged vault]

WERE BLUE

OMG YESS

I MISSED IT SO MUCH

[shell spindle]

lol

[vagrant warren]

but you're always Blue

[shell spindle]

damn i wish i had a role with colour

blue is blue

[weary root]

Blue

[frail harness]

red is better

:)

[finite inlet]

How fast do I need to be to get painted?

[rapid nest]

you need a 15:xx any% or you get banned on april 2nd

[finite inlet]

Aw nerts

[shell spindle]

goodbye

I am speedrunning too nyoom but my time is from like last year to present

[stable moon]

nooooo

make it 3:xx so i can be free of this place

[coral shore]

I can arrange that

[sturdy glade]

Please free me

[unique widget]

Can i watch someone do a hollow knight rando

[weary root]

https://www.twitch.tv/directory/category/hollow-knight

[wet olive]

True

[jade torrent]

Does anyone know how long it usually takes for a run to be checked?

[sturdy glade]

It matters entirely on how many unverified runs there are at the moment, but didn't expect anything to be verified in under 2-3 weeks

[steady lynx]

Also depends on how busy the verifiers are (I'm sorry)

[stable quarry]

So clearly it goes:
Any% nmg < 3weeks
Full game < 2 weeks
ILs < 1 week
4ms <2 days.
TE AG dupeless <1 day
Glitched runs > 4 weeks

[jade torrent]

Thx

[steady lynx]

If you run specifically All Bosses Grimm Troupe All Glitches it'll take exactly 4 months

[stable quarry]

Tbh knowing average verification time for categories would be interesting

[steady lynx]

There's several 112 runs that have been verified within minutes of submission

[coral shore]

[stable quarry]

So clearly it goes:
Any% nmg < 3weeks
Full game < 2 weeks
ILs < 1 week
4ms <2 days.
TE AG dupeless <1 day
Glitched runs > 4 weeks
ABGT AG = 4 months

Better now

[coral shore]

[stable quarry]

We just need like a lot more superspesific things and then it can become a paste

[coral shore]

You understand that a person may take it as serious and this text is not representative of anything really

[stable quarry]

Lol, poor them

[stable quarry]

Ok, @coral shore convinced me to give you the serious answer:

Jamie (a verifier)

• The time "limit" src gives before recommending contacting site staff is 3 weeks - we usually only get anywhere near that during particular times where there are many runners & several verifiers are unavailable for personal reasons. Generally we aim to keep waits for all runs under 2 weeks, and prioritise ILs if possible.

#822611511565746227 message

[coral shore]

Ty ekko

[jade torrent]

I run any procent all glitches

[stable quarry]

Now I just gotta convince someone to datamine speedrun.com for the actual average

[jade torrent]

I have also heard a large amount off runs get rejected 😅

[stable quarry]

Me too o.o

[steady lynx]

Pro tip, submit a meme run while Nerf is waiting for a run to be verified

[stable quarry]

oh wait no that's mine o.o

Pro tip record audio

[steady lynx]

@rapid nest

[stable quarry]

And show title screen

[steady lynx]

Don't cover the patch number with your facecam

[jade torrent]

I don’t know how I can make a timer start on its own

[stable quarry]

or your input display .-.

[steady lynx]

I like having my controller display in the bottom right to flex on people who think it has too few buttons to run glitched

[stable quarry]

Best thing to do if your run get's rejected is to pb imo

[jade torrent]

So I don’t know if it’s a bad thing that I started it a few seconds early

[jade torrent]

I remember someone who said that in ur stream

[steady lynx]

Since it's not April fools anymore I can say that I'll verify runs now

[stable quarry]

I think that was me o.o

[rapid nest]

[jade torrent]

Lol

[stable quarry]

I only use like 24 buttons for runs o.o

[jade torrent]

Only 24?!

Do you have a separate button for each spell?

[stable quarry]

that would not be legal

[steady lynx]

I once used two different controllers with different binds just so I could have the cdash button for pausing in early game and then for actually cdashing in late game

[jade torrent]

Is that legal?

[steady lynx]

Probably, it's physically not the same button

I also didn't submit that run for several other reasons

[jade torrent]

I didn’t read in the rules that it’s a bad thing to start the timer early

[steady lynx]

Nah, worst case the verifier has to retime it

[jade torrent]

I like a just give myself a penalty right

(It’s my first run I’ve submitted so don’t me my mistakes pls)

[stable quarry]

But if your on pc then you should use the autosplitter anyways

[jade torrent]

I did

[vagrant warren]

...then you don't control when the timer starts

[stable quarry]

Pinned LiveSplit Troubleshooting Checklist in the speedrun server in #techsupport

[jade torrent]

This is gonna be a pain to explain

So the timer doesn’t start manually for so reason so I had to use a keybind to start the timer a few secs before the run started

[vagrant warren]

[jade torrent]

It’s not a bug (I think) but I just don’t know how it works with mms

[stable quarry]

it will start in godhome in any% AG

should work just fine

Have you tried deleting the splits and downloading them from hksplitmaker again?

[jade torrent]

I use an easier route😬

[jade torrent]

Ye

[stable quarry]

huh?

[jade torrent]

I don’t use the noclip route if that’s what u meant

[stable quarry]

So you do ghmms yesclip

[jade torrent]

Yep

I don’t have enough knowledge and experience to know how noclip really works so I only use it for monomon dupe 😅

[stable quarry]

How do you get it for the dupe then?

noclip

[jade torrent]

I use noclip for the dupe at the end

[stable quarry]

Any% AG is like ghmms get to the stag with monney dupe to monomon, kill thk done xD

[jade torrent]

That’s what I do with the fog canyon stag

[stable quarry]

Yeah but if you don't do mms noclip then when do you get noclip? and is it dreamgate noclip then?

[jade torrent]

But I get there without noclip

[jade torrent]

Ye dreamgate noclip

[stable quarry]

Fog canyon stag how do you get 5 rooms ontop of eachother from there?

[jade torrent]

Hard toexplain but want me to send a link to my run in dms?

To explain*

I could try to explain it though

[stable quarry]

sure

[jade torrent]

Which of the two u meant to answer sure?

[stable quarry]

..

[jade torrent]

Ok

[elfin fiber]

Anyone know what just happened? All i can i say is i fired a shade soul and jumped
https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/24V7K3Cv2si1i6/d1337rU1GHJV?invite=cr-MSxyMkgsMTM3MTkyNTg1LA

Honestly idk if this belongs in this channel but its the closest thing

[steady lynx]

That's normal

You can fire some spells as you load a save if you had soul before quitting out

And you just have noclip when the game loads

[elfin fiber]

but why would doing so make me fly so damn high lmao

[steady lynx]

You had noclip

The Knight isn't affected by gravity in noclip

[steady lynx]

If you enter a load during the noclip and it finishes you get to keep it

You need insanely fast loads for this btw

[elfin fiber]

oh thats neat

thanks for taking the time

[woven thorn]

no way this is current patch

[steady lynx]

Yeah

It was introduced in 1.3 and TC just left it like that

[shell spindle]

they're like this is fine

[steady lynx]

This is how team cherry wanted us to play the game

Source: my aunt works at Nintendo

[shell spindle]

true

surely u get nintendo merch then

[viral stump]

yo so i wanna try speedrunning

and i got livesplit

and im using xbox game bar to record my runs

how do i get it to record both hk and livesplit at the same time

[stable quarry]

@dark dome I know you have some experience with xbox gamebar

[hazy oriole]

so guys i speedran hollow knight in like 2 hours.. 🥳

[dark dome]

uhh a bit yeah whats up

[dark dome]

you cant

at least not when i was using it

you need to install obs for that

[stable quarry]

Can you not screen capture with xbox?

[dark dome]

you can only capture one window

so either you capture only livesplit or only hk

[jade torrent]

What categorie?

[hazy oriole]

The normal one

[jade torrent]

What ending cause any procent is any ending 😏

[hazy oriole]

Normal ending 😈

[stable quarry]

There is no normal ending smh.

[stable quarry]

That is kinda sad ngl

[timber thunder]

Does flukenest's lingering hitboxes only hit a second time upon a boss reentering said hitboxes? Or just as long as they stay within it for a period of time

[steady lynx]

reenter

[hazy oriole]

I’m just joking I meant the most common ending

[jade torrent]

Now dont be shy I gimme the name off that ending 😀

[hazy oriole]

the holllow knight 😲

[jade torrent]

Welp there u have it chat

[hazy oriole]

I’m a hollow knight pro

[tranquil sonnet]

1h 13m!

[thin rune]

wow! you should teach me

[unkempt delta]

What's the world record

[stable quarry]

4:29

[unkempt delta]

4 minutes 💀💀💀💀💀

Alright I'll do it in 4:28 😎

[stable quarry]

GL

[jade torrent]

GL

[near nova]

[viral stump]

NOOOOO ok thx

[dark dome]

sorry :(

[thin rune]

:3

[bronze wigeon]

What does current patch get rid of in any%?

Smh my head stupid keyboard...

[steady lynx]

Lever skips, dreamer cutscene skips, fun, free inventory drops

[analog pawn]

Wall cling storage

[bronze wigeon]

Not epogo?

Huh

But lever skips aren't any better

[steady lynx]

Epogo is just different

[shell spindle]

and harder and more damaging

[steady lynx]

Nah, not hard in the slightest

[jade moat]

heyo any tips for qga cant get to timeing down

[vagrant warren]

Easiest tip: just go around unless you're already sub 40 or maybe lower

Actual tip: practice your timing somewhere you don't fall into acid when you fail. Understand whether you're generally pressing too early or too late and continue to adjust

[jade moat]

ah ok thanks. im gonna get isamas and go around for now a practive later

[vagrant warren]

You cannot practice it with ismas. And don't need ismas if you're going around

[jade moat]

i know i cant practice it with ismas

for now i just trying to beat the game and thought i would try qga

[dry sparrow]

well that's quite precise timing (new pb from 1h 10m)

[analog pawn]

I'm sad they fixed the timer bug. On old patches that would have said 01s

[shell spindle]

dam u cut down 3 0's from 10m to 1sec

[analog pawn]

The timer took a shortcut when it saw 0 minutes and just wrote seconds

The problem is that it also didn't write hours then so it didn't really work out

[steady lynx]

It works up until 1424

So you could get the game to say you got a 1 second pantheon time

[primal hamlet]

gusten carrying #speedrunning

[analog pawn]

#speedrunning is really where me, gusten and a few other people go to talk about glitches and shitpost. Also help people ig

[primal hamlet]

speedrunning is too hard for me

[steady lynx]

Someone gotta do it

[quaint flame]

can you still do epogo in the current patch?

[sacred thunder]

Differently but yes
It’s quite a bit harder though

[quaint flame]

how do you do it? whenever I try, pogoing just explodes it.

[stable quarry]

You need to pogo it at the right time too early and it blows upp

[stable quarry]

#822611690871980092 message

[quaint flame]

It wont let me access that link

[stable quarry]

Link to the server is in the pins

[quaint flame]

alright, ty

[grim blade]

Can someone explain how wallcling storage works?

[stuck raptor]

Think you on wall but no on wall

[steady lynx]

Imagine the point in a "speedrun explained" video where the commentary says that "the game gets confused"

Hollow Knight is essentially in a constant state of confusion

[torn ivy]

How does any of the fireball skips work?

[sturdy glade]

fireball pushes you backward so you jump, turn around, use vs, then turn back around

[torn ivy]

How quick are the inputs

[sturdy glade]

they aren't necesarily quick but on the harder fireball skips they can be tight

[torn ivy]

Thank you 👍

[delicate atlas]

does anyone here know of like an any% route tutorial video because im interested in running any% but dont know where and how ill learn the route and strats

[analog pawn]

https://youtu.be/K5yUX98-76A?si=aYNsrSE5UuXASBox

[stable quarry]

Casting fireball resets your falling speed which is the more notable part for fireballskips @sturdy glade

[sturdy glade]

how is that more notable

[stable quarry]

Best video of all time
https://youtu.be/yeiD3xcHXmM

[stable quarry]

Because you can "fb skip" with wraigts and great slash too

[sturdy glade]

huh

[stable quarry]

The knock back barely matters at all making it extremly rare that one can do one skip with fb and not with wraights

[coral shore]

well knockback matters for the hornet fb skip to the point where you can do turnaround at the peak and still win

[sturdy glade]

that's what I'm always thinking about whenever somebody says fb skip tbh

[stable quarry]

Is it not just leanient enough that you can wraights at the peak and still make it?

[coral shore]

wraiths at peak does 0 things tho

[stable quarry]

I know but you use 2

Unless you can do it on 1 fb while doing it at the peak

[coral shore]

So whats the point of using wraiths at a peak

it doesn't help

[stable quarry]

I mean you could day the same about the fb at the peak

It barely helps

[coral shore]

Fb at the peak does something
Wraith at a peak does nothing cause you have fallspeed of 0 what

[stable quarry]

If you buffer 2 wraights you will move inbetween right?

[coral shore]

spells aren't bufferable

[stable quarry]

Oh right time them properly

[coral shore]

And yes you can make that skip with wraiths but its tighter. My point is that knockback very much does matter if you are falling for small distances

[stable quarry]

The fb skip after hornet fb skip is deffinitly one of the ones where fb knockback matters more than usual

[coral shore]

Yes
Same with a fb skip to baldur shell

[stable quarry]

Your not wrong but if we take away the fallspeedreset then a lot of skips gets patched or a lot tighter

[coral shore]

Yes. But consider that people here that ask about fireball skips most likely ask about any%. So like you are not wrong but knockback is very much notable in the context of speedruns that a person would usually ask about

[stable quarry]

Also does this mean it's harder? Because not having to turn around usually helps a ton in my experience

[coral shore]

Ig it depends on how good you are at turning around

[stable quarry]

Ok, I might have downplayed the importance of knockback a little to far

Besides there are nail knockback skips

Those are cool but also suck somehow xD

[coral shore]

TRUE
sedic slash instead of last fb skips

[stable quarry]

You need both right?

[coral shore]

You can do it with 0 fbs

[stable quarry]

Or just 1 on the thing

[coral shore]

if you sedic slash mosscreep and then the platform

[stable quarry]

Both slashes

I should try that skip at some point but I expect it to feel like cing cling

[coral shore]

Anyway yeah both knockback and fallspeed reset are notable for fb skips. Fallspeed reset can get you significantly further if you use it smart. To do fb skips to hornet, for example, I recommend falling a bit before turning around, this makes it more lenient overall.

[keen anchor]

Sedic slash’s are hard to do so I just go the normal path

[coral shore]

But if you are too worried of falling too far, you can do it from peak of your jump

[stable quarry]

On 1315+ you can do an consistent enemy pogo instead of a fb skip which only looses 1 secound on the last fb skip

[keen anchor]

Thx I’m going to downpatch now

[stable quarry]

Downpatch? Then this information is useless

[sturdy glade]

you can do the enemy pogo on 1221 too if you just lock in

[pallid wadi]

how do you text skip on ps5 current patch(i dont meyn hornet)?

[delicate atlas]

does anyone here know a consistent strat for this skip

its so inconsistent for me

[stable quarry]

You just cast a fireball at hornet before the fight begins

[pallid wadi]

no i dont mean hornet i mean text mashing

[stable quarry]

Cap fps to 50 and do it in the right spot. You can eiter line up with a background object further to the right then dash fb pogo or pogo off the left spikes then turn right and fb pogo.

[stable quarry]

?? Text mashing is just mashing focus jump nail iirc

[pallid wadi]

ok

[delicate atlas]

how do i cap it at 50

and is capping it rly required cuz im trying to get consistent for any% nmg current patch

[pallid wadi]

yeah me too

[delicate atlas]

like ive done it a couple times without capping fps its just REALLY inconsistent

[stable quarry]

Stallball is 100% consistent at 50 fps and 50% consistent at 100fps

[delicate atlas]

OOOH

i see that the top runners are capping it aswell

[pallid wadi]

im trying to practise seperate segments like mothwing cloak but my best time is 15 minutes

[delicate atlas]

my bad

[stable quarry]

Like if you do everything correctly it will just fail half the time at 100fps

[delicate atlas]

how do i cap it tho

[stable quarry]

You can use the ingame fps cap that you can change in a text doc in the managed folder

[pallid wadi]

is it worth getting fury for false knight?

[stable quarry]

Fury looses 20-30 secounds to get and saves 4-8 secounds on fk

[pallid wadi]

so tottaly not worth

[stable quarry]

Idr the accurate timings but yeah most of the time getting fury is not worth unless your required to get it

[pallid wadi]

should i practise seperate segments or do a full run

[stable quarry]

Both

[pallid wadi]

how do you time the súike kill on the two aspids

spike sorry

[stable quarry]

1221 or 1432+ ?

[pallid wadi]

i did it once out of about 10 attempts

i saw skurry do it but the timing is hard

[stable quarry]

https://youtu.be/Ya96rJqDEIo?si=BHQc6NCU6K3qLJLD

On 1432+ you can basically get it for free so no setup needed really

[pallid wadi]

thanks

[delicate atlas]

where in the managed folder

cant find it lol

nvm i found it

omg its so free now 😭

[stable quarry]

Oh it was not in the managed folder

/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight_Data/Config.ini
For anyone who is qurious.
Then just edit the FrameRateCap=400 to FrameRateCap=50

[delicate atlas]

is it still possible to open inv mid air to fall faster?

[vagrant warren]

on current patch it can't be opened midair, you can only open it the physics frame you leave a ledge

[marsh cedar]

just got a 48:21.21 (1.4.3.2+) run, im really happy with it but also so lightheaded because its my second run (butchered the first) since playing the game again since quitting early 2023

[scenic rock]

damn
my fastest is a little over 2 hours long

I assume the 48 here is in minutes

[stable quarry]

You can also use quick map to open it mid air though the first input has to be on the ground. No speedruns gets map though usually

[dry sparrow]

my first sub hour omggg (current patch)

[umbral igloo]

banned

[timber badge]

I dont know if this counts but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab-DnzE4QpM

I speedran this

[stuck raptor]

[vagrant warren]

Count as a speedrun? Sure. Appropriate for this channel? Not really.

[shell spindle]

But you speedrun other games to allow more time for hk speed runs

[fluid bear]

for any% NMG what version of the game is played?

[verbal stag]

1.2.2.1

but you can also play on current patch, those runs go under 1.4.3.2+ nmg

[sturdy glade]

Any% no minor glitches is on lp

[full basin]

Not quite hollow knight, but I did Celeste% with CelesteDash mod, and I wanna show my results

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FTi56dGqyI

[delicate atlas]

has anyone here got any advice for consistently dodging the hollow knights parry on current patch

[narrow widget]

Hello

[narrow widget]

I did my 1st ever speedrun today and I just tanked it everytime since I got isma and not shade

Maybe there is a chance you can parry his parry but I'm not too sure on that

Also just generally asking for a 1st time run is 2 51 bad?

[sturdy glade]

There's no good answer to is x time bad/good

[flat root]

[bronze wigeon]

And if it's on 140-150fps

[steady lynx]

Like 33% on 150

Ekkoet, you're gonna lose a few points for calling it Stallball

[sturdy glade]

It's slopeball and it's shrump

[north notch]

hey ive been speedrunning but i keep running into the problem that when i save and quit to warp back to bench, my keybinds no longer work

anyone know whats up

and my mouse side buttons dont work either

[steady lynx]

Are you on 1221

[north notch]

yeah

[steady lynx]

Mouse doesn't really work properly on 1221, you need to use a special program for it

[north notch]

ah

hm

[stable quarry]

@karmic pine you found the glitch back me up here

[north notch]

does anyone in the hk speedrunning discord i cant find it

[stable quarry]

?pins7

[north notch]

thanks

[stable quarry]

Np

[haughty fossil]

reacting to the parry and not hitting it is always best, but in general jumping right as every single attack starts puts you in a good position to choose to either dodge over or just fall back down if unnecessary

[quaint flame]

Can someone explain how exactly wallcling storage works?

[analog pawn]

Any specific wcs you want to understand?

In general it works through making the game not remove the wall touching state which can be done with multiple methods

[coral shore]

Daan, I have mod powers, just saying you better not agree with Ekko publicly

[steady lynx]

Simply 1984 wrong opinions

[stable quarry]

Basically https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kkE_i2zxzK4l1f6lYrSjhT208gWtEXuPqdf9S4TlDyg/

[quaint flame]

Mostly the blue lake one. Is it possible on the current patch?

[analog pawn]

On current patch wall cling storage doesn't conserve momentum so it doesn't help you in any way

Because of that the only gain from it on cp is sequence breaking which isn't allowed. So we just don't allow it on current patch

[stable quarry]

On cp wallclingstorage doesn't store the wallcling

[karmic pine]

😳

Hmmm I definitely might have used the phrase "stallball" at some point

Probably shouldn't say more

[coral shore]

[keen anchor]

What is the fastest any% nmg route??

[rapid nest]

probably the current tas route

[tepid hornet]

can anyone explain the glitch used at the beginning of the glitched any% run? i don't get how they start with max everything

[formal bough]

In essence, they're loading into a godhome save file which has everything and glitching those items out to maingame

[tepid hornet]

how?

[shell spindle]

they open 2 save files, one godhome and one normal, they overlap and the items u got from the godseeker while being in the location of the regular save file

[formal bough]

It's through a glitch called main menu storage

I can find a guide rq if you want

[tepid hornet]

that would be amazing! i would super appreciate that!

[formal bough]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/812633331

[formal bough]

took me a bit to find it since it's not pinned anywhere in the main hollow knight speedrunning discord (link in the pins) but this has a guide to cp mms

[tepid hornet]

thank you so much!!!

[trail sedge]

Is there any way to do fog canyon w/o isma or major skips

[formal bough]

what do you mean major skips

it's possible to enter teacher's archives with literally zero items

(but to actually get to monomon you need claw and [isma/cdash/a bunch of stuff])

[steady lynx]

Sure you do

[graceful cairn]

does anyone have a good route for anyone okay-ish at speedrunning?

[formal bough]

without glitches yes yes you're a glitched runner

[quaint flame]

all skills is easiest category imo. You get to fight watcher knights with descending dark.

[graceful cairn]

i did a speedrun last night that failed horribly, my route was false knight -> greenpath -> hornet -> mantis lords -> mark of pride -> lemm -> salubra -> shade skip to blue lake -> dream nail -> city of tears -> ddark -> crystal peaks & cdash -> watcher knights, where the run promptly failed because i hit the 4.5hr mark

[quaint flame]

I usually get a nail upgrade if I can afford it right before watcher knights.

[graceful cairn]

the point is that watcher knights is hell w/o the 2nd nail upgrade

[quaint flame]

yeah, I agree.

[graceful cairn]

i got lost in greenpath twice somehow 😭

you'd think i'd take the time to try and recall the quickest greenpath route but nope

[stable quarry]

What does okay-ish mean?

If it means beginner then you can try the shadesoul route

[graceful cairn]

111% in the game but i have 150hr

p4 is the remaining 1%, and i have yet to beat radiance

[stable quarry]

Shadesoul route https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides/p2d5f

[thorny robin]

What do you guys suggest I do for speedrunning HK on the Nintendo?

[stuck raptor]

Have fun

[thorny robin]

That explains alot.

[stable quarry]

https://pastebin.com/CjNbn1UK

[thorny robin]

Oh cool, thx.

Speedrunning on Nintendo is so much different then XBox and PC gameplay I've seen.

[formal bough]

note that this is a glitched route

you can speedrun things without glitches very similarly to normal

[thorny robin]

Alr. I'm just been trying to get a good time, maybe get in somewhere in lb, but I was worried that I might be handicapped by playing on Nintendo.

[vagrant warren]

Consoles have their own RTA boards, so you won't be competing with lossless PC players

[coral shore]

*for NMG, for glitched we don't have separate lb-s until enough activity is shown

[rapid nest]

[trail sedge]

How do i do that

[trail sedge]

The cdash ones

[formal bough]

the cdash ones aren't close to the hardest skips

For example, the one where you enter teacher's archives with no items is much harder

If you're talking purely about intended ways, the intended ways into right side fog canyon are ismas or shade cloak

[trail sedge]

But its boring ahh to get isma

Guess i will do it then

For the 5h achievement

[trail sedge]

For you that is

I did it like, once or twice

After failing 16 times

[formal bough]

oh I'm not saying that they're not hard

I'm saying that there are much harder ones

[thorn jasper]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1039743031043178606/pins2.png?ex=65b083a8&is=659e0ea8&hm=99e49a3bf5bf82b5411cfab9c1b9b6163246c36233a3d1ff982e4c5dbcc2cb4c&

[thorn jasper]

what. wrong channel

[coral shore]

[hidden sundial]

For the 5hs achievement, the route I went I think was FK -> Hornet -> Claw -> Nail Upgrade 1 -> Dive -> CDash & DDark -> Isma (wasn't confident on Acid Skips) -> Dream Nail -> Lurien (be sure to dream nail WK at start and try hitting two at once with DDark most times you can, but more importantly, try not to die) -> Monomon -> Herrah (through QG access) -> THK

[graceful cairn]

thanks

[hidden sundial]

I hit somewhere a bit over 3hs using that route, so if things go smoothly you can probably add Basin's Pale Ore and a second nail upgrade, but I don't recall how well I was doing geo-wise by that stage

[keen siren]

low% was really ez don'y know why people say it's annoying

||how appropriate that I am still a clown||

[torpid cradle]

HOW

[delicate atlas]

whats the easiest version of epogo on cp

and is there a recovery for failing it?

[thorny robin]

I had no idea stall ball was possible on Nintendo. Did anyone else know that or am I just dumb? It's actually quite easy to get consistently.

[stable quarry]

It works on 1315? and switch is 1432 so yeah it works should not be fully consitent though even if you do everything correctly because of the 60fps vsync

[thorny robin]

I don't have the vsync and after enough tries I was able to get it maybe 1/3 out of every try, so yeah maybe not that consistent xd.

[stable quarry]

isnt switch forced vsync?

Yeah you have no controll over the visuals so it should be vsync unless I am mistaken

[thorny robin]

Alr, didnt know that.

Cool.

[stable quarry]

tbh having the option to turn off vsync could help with the horrible input delay but we will never know

[sour cobalt]

||did the switch skip in city of tears near watcher knights get patched?||

[worldly walrus]

yes it isn't possible on the latest patch anymore

[sour cobalt]

ah balls

is there a way to switch my version lol

I have the game on steam

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's pretty easy now

@coral shore is there a command for betas?

[coral shore]

?tags info

[river axle]

Category: info (21)

verify, ssnews, ssequel, screenshot, saves, savefaq, s, roomlabels, quickcast, polls, pirate, pins2, pins, offtopic, noping, modsupport, jokerpsa, installs, controller, charmids, browse

Use ?tag [category] [name] to show a tag

[coral shore]

No I dont think there is

[steady lynx]

I don't actually remember how to do the easy method to get 1221, I'm used to the sorcery I use to get cursed patches

[ember imp]

?tag steambetas

[river axle]

Verify that you are using the correct installer and patch!

• For normal modding you should use a current patch installer (such as Lumafly or Scarab) and you must have Steam Betas set to "None"
  • Pirated copies / Unofficial ports are not supported
• Modding on 1.4.3.2 using "Mod Installer" / "Mod Installer 2" is no longer supported.
• 1.2.2.1 Modding does not have an installer.
  • You can type ?tag 1221 for info on it.

How to check your Steam Beta options:

[coral shore]

Ig this kinda works

[steady lynx]

?tag 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord
• Video Guide 🎦
• [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
• MiniSaveStates: Github
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug: Github
• Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
• HKTimer: Github

[steady lynx]

Yeah that works

Shoutouts to fireborn for getting them to add 1221 as an easy install

[coral shore]

@sour cobaltYou can follow this image to downpatch to 1221

[sour cobalt]

okti

[keen siren]

can someone show me the steel soul any% route

[shell spindle]

fireb0rn nice

[shell spindle]

ooh no shade skips sadge

probably like mantis before like dream nail and stuff idk

[coral shore]

Are you fine with doing a very uncool slopeball are would you rather do dark deepnest

[keen siren]

I'll take the uncool slopeball

[coral shore]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/runs/y9665kry I just recommend watching the wr, both for route and setup

[arctic knot]

anyone know how to beat beat watcher knights in any% nmg 1432+ qga without losing too mubh time?
i always die to wk
i currently use regular qga route

[rapid nest]

you can do nail 1 route where you get kings station seal, bench in watchers spire, head down and left and get rafters seal, sell to lemm, buy nail 1, quitout

[tropic chasm]

Is there a known way to get to mantis claw before mothwing cloak? I did this in one of my earlier runs and i dont know how i did it

[formal bough]

yeah multiple

there's a speedrun category that never gets mothwing cloak at all (low%)

typical method is fireball skipping across queen's station

[tropic chasm]

any easier skips? im not skilled at fireball

[formal bough]

the other method is not easier

you can get howling wraiths if you really want

that's also a difficult skip though

[tropic chasm]

anything with the shade though?

[formal bough]

the howling wraiths skip would involve the shade

queen's station can't use the shade

and if you really want to use the shade, you can do the shade skip in blue lake (difficult, made a bit better if you are picking up vs which a low% analog wouldn't) into going through waterways (annoying, multiple shade skips) and climbing up to bretta bench (which requires knowing a specific lineup otherwise subpixels don't work out or something? I don't really understand that jump)

[tropic chasm]

thank you, ill try said skips you mentioned

[formal bough]

by far the easiest method is to just fireball skip across queen's station

(and make sure you're using the quickcast button and not the focus button)

[rapid nest]

on lp theres also the slopeball which is similar difficulty to queens station

[formal bough]

oh right the slopeball

[shell spindle]

is slopeball just stallball? or something different

[formal bough]

yes

[shell spindle]

okie

ball go wheee

[steady lynx]

Slopeball is what you call it if you're cultured

[weary root]

honestly I think curveball was the best name 😔

[stable quarry]

Stallball it's stallball

[steady lynx]

People rejected the idea of calling it jankball or daanball

[stable quarry]

spagettiball

[steady lynx]

Ballball

[stable quarry]

<@&283547423706447872> ?

ty

[tough relic]

ball

[steady lynx]

Hear me out

Garfieldball

[stable quarry]

no

[steady lynx]

Yes

[weary root]

Maybe

[tough relic]

Perhaps

[stable quarry]

Mayhaps?

[north notch]

perchance?

[placid lodge]

no una banda

[shell spindle]

hear me out... snailball

🐌

[trail raptor]

[snow widget]

What's a good routing for someone newish to HK?
I wanna get sub 300 for the achievements.

My current routing is skip False Knight, get vengeful spirit, go to hornet (use fly for skip coz I suck at using spells for skips), get dash, use bench main menu skip back to crossroads.

Get to fungal wastes, not do explosion skip coz I suck (I've tried it before). Get mantis claw, and use bench in crossroads to get back there. From there, use shade skip to get to Resting Grounds and get dream nail.

I'm confused what to do after that. I know I need to get to City of Tears but I'm confused where else I need to go from there on out coz a lot of the skips require skill which I don't have. I have trouble beating the watcher Knights which I can practice in Godhome but it's still hard without pure nail.

[analog pawn]

The normal any% route collects geo in city from ghusk, kills watchers and gets lurien and the geo there then sells relics to Lemm

The geo is used for lantern so you can get to crystal peak for cdash

Which you can do the rest of the game with

For the achievement you have a lot of time so you could for example get extra geo and buy the elegant key from sly for shade soul

Or spend some time in city to upgrade the nail before watchers

[snow widget]

I'll try that.

[vagrant warren]

There's also a guide for the cheevo in pins

[hidden sundial]

Yeah, I used most of the guidelines from fireb0rn's guide and they worked like a charm.

[junior dew]

hello guys i need help about livesplit, my livesplit does not overlap on hollow knight 1.2.2.1, please help me

[stuck raptor]

Turn off full-screen

Can then make it borderless windowed by adding "-popupwindow" to launch options

[junior dew]

thank u ❤️

[swift sand]

Hey so I've never done a speedrun and livesplit is giving me some trouble, i downloaded the one from the speedrun.com page and it won't start upon opening the game, is there something else I need to do to have it run by itself?

[vagrant warren]

There is a troubleshooting checklist in the tech support of the speedrun server (in pins) but a common problem is not having enabled the auto splitter/not having auto splits enetered.

[swift sand]

thank you that worked youre a big help

i didnt know it was so simple thanks

[junior dew]

I add popupwindow where ?

[wraith trellis]

In steam right click hk, select properties, and in the "general" tab (which should be the one that opens automatically) you'll see "launch options"

[junior dew]

thank you ❤️

[steady lynx]

<@&283547423706447872> the invite isn't even valid

[knotty arch]

what does vsync actually do btw?

i just turned it off and all of a sudden i'm hitting every single fireball skip but idk if that's just coincedence

normally i hit like 75% of em but haven't missed one since turning it off

[steady lynx]

It locks framerate to 60fps in a janky way

Or screen refresh rate

[coral shore]

Which adds input delay

[steady lynx]

It also makes one hazard warp impossible for no reason

Very good game

[coral shore]

Funniest shit ever actually

[steady lynx]

It just works if you cap to like 60fps in any other way, game just works different when it's vsync for some reason

It's also maybe load dependent, so I'll blame that when I mess it up

Btw does vsync add a ton of input delay on 1.5?

[knotty arch]

am i tripping at finding fireball skips easy af now or is that a side effect of all the weird shit it does/

[steady lynx]

In general its a pretty awful idea to play with vsync on in this game

It's because of vsync yes

[knotty arch]

it's prob largely cos i'm playing on a shitty laptop

the game does run entirely fine

i generally just play souls on console so haven't invested in a decent pc

but i get no performance issues even on 1.12 if i just lower resolution a bit

[steady lynx]

Hollow Knight even on the latest version is not well optimised

[knotty arch]

it runs better than slay the spire

and that's a fucking card game

well current version runs better

1.2.2.1 does not at all

which is entirely fair enough for a 2 person team

[knotty arch]

is there a mod that doesn't make any changes but lets you skip ending cutscene?

I end up either quitting final stage thk or shutting the window

or am i stupid and is there a button to do it that i haven't found?

ik qol can skip cutscene but i don't like the majority of the changes it makes

surely it would be possible to make a mod that downpatches 1.4 to have all the relevant quirks for speedrunning while keeping the better performance (and also lets you skip ending cutscene)

[sturdy glade]

I think the issue is that having a mod like that makes having other mods on a lot easier

[verbal stag]

I think cc has said it adds 1 frame of input delay

so very usable

[vagrant warren]

You can toggle the settings in qol to turn off any you don't like. And it can return many of the quirks of older patches as well (not that that particularly matters for runs as no mods are allowed)

[true palm]

One graphics frame to be clear and that's just how vsync works

Vsync is just wait for vertical sync

On old patches there was also the hard coded input delay for having low fps

[mighty charm]

When it comes to speedrunning white palace is there a way to reset the white palace after finishing it?

[weary root]

for Individual Level runs like PoP, White Palace, colos etc. we allow a mod called minisavestates which lets you reset to the start more easily

you can find the mod and also files to use with it in the speedrunning server. There's a link to get there in the pins ^

[mighty charm]

Thank you for the info

[rich mirage]

Skip ending cutscene? U mean the credits

[steady lynx]

You can skip the cutscene itself by being on a good patch

[knotty vigil]

this good times chat

?

[weary root]

it would put you 55th on the leaderboard so yeah that's a pretty good time

[knotty vigil]

holy shit

insane

this is like

my

50th ish attempt

[raw mesa]

Like the namens (:

[raw mesa]

But nice time

Im Shit in speedrunning

[weary root]

if you have a recording you can submit it to src
https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight?h=Pantheon_of_the_Master-Level&x=l_495lx03d-wkpq608d

[knotty vigil]

tyty

took alot of creativity it didnt

[knotty vigil]

i did it without recording so

ill probably start recording them soon these are just

practice runs if you will

[knotty vigil]

ive got

113 hours

if we dont count speedrunning

on speedrunning i got like

80 ish

[raw mesa]

Ok

[raw mesa]

Thats pretty good for 113

I have Like 300

Just playing and waiting for ss

[knotty vigil]

ive got almost 200 hours total

[raw mesa]

Markoth Took me Like 3 hours in radiant

[knotty vigil]

it took me

20 mins.......................

i just did it like 4 tries

grubberfly's and nail

[raw mesa]

Ok your defenitly better than me

[raw mesa]

Ok used other charmes

[knotty vigil]

guys im struggling with qga yall got any tips

[stuck raptor]

practice a lot.

you can be lower on the wall than you think

can't practice with isma's

[knotty vigil]

i have hitboxes on and i get the start

the end is what gets me

is it any easier on 1221

cuz i mainly do 1221 runs

[analog pawn]

it is the same on 1221

you get a few more frames to jump out on the other side if you cancel the cdash slightly before the wall instead of bonking

other than that it is just a timing you have to learn and practice a lot

[knotty vigil]

i usually do crossroads acid skip by BONKING

[analog pawn]

yeah on crossroads acid skip bonking matters a lot less

it is a lot more lenient

very much so

[knotty vigil]

NVM CHAT

WE GOOD IM HITTING IT ALOT MORE OFTEN NOW

just watched the speedrun wr once

i found something funy

the dash wind effect behind the knight's sprite

when the end of it reaches the background spike ball

is when you should let go on cdash and just hold down jump

right here is where you should let go

by the time you realize its there you should be all good to catch the wall

does take some practice to muscle memory it tho

[thorny robin]

Cool. Ima try this.

[tender yacht]

Hello.... looking for other people to play with.Not sure where to look

[carmine pier]

Hey everyone!
I just lost my save due to a woopsie doopsie :D
And I was thinking of maybe starting speedrunning! :D (For the achivement)
I've never speedrun Hollow knight before so I was thinking if anyone could give me tips on how to start? :D

[verbal stag]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602 is a good guide for the achievement

[carmine pier]

[shadow crane]

if you want to actually speedrun, practice shade skips and acid skips (especially QGA)

[coral shore]

Or
Don't do QGA as a beginner, its like 40 seconds timesave on 1221 I think
You can just go through spore shroom entrance to deepnest until you feel like you really want those crisp 40 seconds

[knotty arch]

yes

they last like 3 hours

[knotty arch]

i'm tryna get rly solid at no epogo no qga any% nmg before i learn them

i feel like there's no point doing the hardest parts before i'm consistent and very quick at everything else

i feel like i'm nearly there tho, just need to speed up my watcher knights and thk fights first

tbf thk shld be very easy to fight aggressively i just haven't got round to practising him cos he's never rly been an issue

[reef sage]

Hey, I think of learning to Speedrun this game. I finish the game at 112% and I would like to learn at least the 100% Speedrun. However I don't know if it's a good idea for a first category. Is there a good category to start learning few mechanics 🤔

I want to have some fights, not a category where you skip everything and go directly to the final boss

[verbal stag]

I would suggest all skills, it's basically 1xx% lite

you get all level 2 spells, movement abilities, and nail arts

[reef sage]

Oh I didn't see this category when I checked quickly on speedrun.com. I'll check this one

[primal vine]

is e pogo possible on latest patch? im pretty new so im not too sure how it works, i kind of clicked the first how to vid that popped up

[steady lynx]

Yeah, there's like 2^64 different setups for LP epogo

[coral shore]

I would do epogo. It's very very far from hardest part of an any% run. But you do you

[carmine pier]

No, if you are beginner you should learn all the hardest skip known to man and then once you learned them all you can try running a speedrun

But am just here for the achievement so

Yes :D

[trail sedge]

First time speedrunning

2h41 at lurin

Need the other two dreamers

But i have everything else i think

Nail 2, twisterchaman build

Isma

Smth like 1,2 k geos

[ripe fern]

2h15 steel soul mode

full achievement speedrun (ig) (already had around 70 hours on xbox before starting on steam)

[steady lynx]

I hate that this glitch doesn't work on PC and was patched out in 1.5, and also that it requires cdash

[trail sedge]

I FUCKING DID IT

THK NAIL RWO NO DOUBLE JUMP

Im finally complete

[wary arrow]

I wanna speedrun but idk what I should speedrun

Any recommendations?

[lofty flare]

Start with a simple cat

Something fast and shorter

4MS, pantheons

[lofty flare]

*simpler

Pantheons and such still get complex

But because they’re not as long it’s a bit easier to manage

[wary arrow]

4MS?

[rich mirage]

Someone should make Gorb NMG %

[analog pawn]

just getting gorb?

doesn't sound that interesting

[weary root]

It's a classic claw + one other thing category and there are already a bunch of those

[steady lynx]

It's Gorb NMG%
Which obviously means kill Gorb with NMG equipped

Seems very arbitrary

[arctic knot]

no its gorb no major glitches

gorb all glitches speedrun is probably like 1min long tbh

[steady lynx]

Then they would have put the % sign after Gorb instead of after NMG

[sturdy glade]

Gusten, do you have a count of gorb% suggestions or have you lost count