nia truely cracked
#speedrunning
weary root
analog pawn
This is a genuine run
There is a bug if you get 00 on the minutes it only shows seconds
On older patches
I believe this is 2h 00m 24s
keen siren
ah alright
steady lynx
Y'all have nothing on my hacked save run
sturdy glade
Bro cooked up something dilectible
polar barn
Y'all have nothing on my hacked save run
stable quarry
More like 10 minnutes rta though
polar barn
More like 10 minnutes rta though<:feelspkman:639636442821165056>
its still cool tho
charred thistle
I am interested in getting into
, but there is a problem, the mod DLC symbol (With the spaghetti) is still appearing, even after I've disabled all mods and the modding API. I've even deleted all my mods, but it still appears. Any help would be appreciated.
wraith trellis
?tag verify
river axleBOT
delicate karma
guys, whats the festest speedrun ever made
idle cypress
sturdy glade
Ekko cooked there
steady lynx
You know it's a good run when voidheart is part of the setup
feral shell
heya Im new bu basically just wondering where I can find auto splits for Pantheon of Hallownest?
vagrant warren
From the website in pins
stable quarry
https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/runs/z5kn7kez
That's me
keen anchor
You can clip through walls
feral shell
From the website in pins
the speedrun.com website?
coral shore
No. hksplitmaker.com
feral shell
ah ok thank you
azure oriole
yo thought i'd think about speedrunning since i beat PoH. do ya'll use any good practice mods or no?
vagrant warren
(Answered in #modding-discussion )
analog pawn
yeah, most of the speedrunning discussion happens in the pinned server
steady lynx
This chat is mainly scam bots posting and then getting banned apparently
analog pawn
yeah most times when I see a new message in this server there is nothing here
vagrant warren
Look how inactive this channel is
Ok I looked now what?
ember imp
kindred sundial
Charms for speedrunning path of pain?
Thanks mr moderator for telling me to text in dead chat
cosmic perch
Dashmaster, sprintmaster, longnail, mark of pride, sharp shadow, and shaman stone. There's a speedrun server pinned in this channel with specific category channels, you'll want to ask PoP questions in #il-movement there
thin rune
omg profound
stable quarry
Thanks mr moderator for telling me to text in dead chat
Why does people think this chat is dead . Can you not see that there are messages here daily
kindred sundial
Why does people think this chat is dead <:feelspkman:639636442821165056> . Can y...
With like 5 hour intervals between texts
It’s dead compared to other channels
steady lynx
There are other channels?
vagrant warren
It’s dead compared to other channels
Almost as if all the speedrunners have gone somewhere else 
rapid nest
i simply cant imagine why nobody would want to talk here
steady lynx
Rosie, can you find a way to talk to npc's with transition storage on LP
I need it for science
steady lynx
Buy map without losing control
shell spindle
buy controls
tall trail
i
weary root
j
analog pawn
k
warped steeple
l
trail raptor
m
vagrant warren
n
tired scroll
o
tardy robin
Gim
grim iron
The alphabet chain will be remembered 😔
steady lynx
One day we'll make it to Ö
grim iron
That letter looks like they doing the surprise face
steady lynx
15:56
shell spindle
a
stable quarry
How fast you did beat hollow Knight?
Which category?
5:07 AG
23:24 NMMS
39:49 NMG
37:09 1432+ NMG
velvet zodiac
I did it in 1:05
plucky horizon
hey i was wondering if it is allowed to use steam input for the controller in speedruns because mine doesnt register
steady lynx
steam input is allowed as long as you don't somehow have one button bound to multiple actions in game
plucky horizon
ok thanks
dapper drift
Hi, speedrun is hard ?
steady lynx
Hollow Knight is considered a hard game, so it comes naturally that it's hard to run
Good ol Dyno
rugged lark
hello! ive been thinking about starting to run hk, and i just learned that the reason im not able to do those inventory drops midair is because it was patched out. i found a downpatching guide on youtube by relyea, but the links dont work and i couldnt find the thing he was talking about on src. anyone able to help?
never mind, apparently 1.2.2.1 is avaliable as a beta on steam
steady lynx
Yeah, fire got them to add it as a beta a bit back
rugged lark
given that a lot of people here use that patch i guess, can anyone help me with this issue? i asked in a couple other channels and havent gotten an answer yet
im having a weird glitch that i cant attack in a new save file until i rebind my controls? it gives me the attack prompt, using my mouse, and it just doesnt do anything until i go into my keyboard controls and replace left click with anything. its not a mouse issue because i can replace it back again with left click and it works fine, and my left click is working fine otherwise. i just downpatched to 1.2.2.1 so maybe its something to do with that?
copy + paste saves my life
steady lynx
1221 doesn't support mouse binds very well, most people who play with keyboard and mouse use a program to fix that issue
vagrant warren
(Answered in #modding-discussion )
rugged lark
yesss thank you
shell spindle
Yeah, fire got them to add it as a beta a bit back
fire has the powers
sacred thunder
<@&283547423706447872>
Only in #speedrunning it seems, a sneaky one
As I say that…
frank hound
how come speedrunners keep 1/3 of their soul when fighting the baldurs in any% why not just use all 3
stuck raptor
Because speed
thorn jasper
how come speedrunners keep 1/3 of their soul when fighting the baldurs in any% w...
because a third cast would trigger another stun animation
sleek cave
According to my calculations, if we make a perfectly angled jump we ca-
steady lynx
With a perfectly timed and angled jump and a turnaround slash you can skip the gap in KP, but you need good tft
shell spindle
TAS go brr
knotty vigil
Times it so the baldur shoots the enemy out instead of goo
frank hound
Huh ⁉️
rapid nest
me when i spread misinformation on the internet
knotty vigil
me when i find the liars:
thin rune
if only.....
orchid oyster
https://tenor.com/view/sly-sly-scream-hk-hollow-knight-gif-12500085060552955205
me when xylitol is in the gum
alpine hamlet
anyone wanna do a 2 player speedrun?
knotty vigil
anyone wanna do a 2 player speedrun?
I absolutely would if I could
Unfortunately im on xbox so I can't do mods and stuff like that
orchid oyster
anyone wanna do a 2 player speedrun?
if you dont have anyone by tomorrow i might be able to
brittle cradle
How’s my speed run of 1 year? I know it’s pretty impressive I must say
thin rune
dashmaster, sprintmaster, sharp shadow, longnail, mark of pride and shamans
unborn hull
New record for no nail, no spell pantheon 1 of 14 minutes
velvet river
<@&283547423706447872>
slate pilot
Thanks
frosty path
How hard would y'all say getting into speedrunning HK is if you've never done a speedrun before?
stuck raptor
Depends on the category. But of all games, it's probably a 4/10 for difficulty for entry for the easier categories
coral shore
Wtf
steady lynx
Shh, I'm trying to keep my records safe
steady lynx
Yeah, that's a good way to go about it
HK is the first speedgame for a lot of people so generally speaking, a lot of people have managed so far
frosty path
i just gotta get good
untold chasm
Hey, is there a mod for savestating in 1.2.2.1?
stable quarry
As an NMMS runner, I recommend not running NMMS
It was fine untill someone made the optimal route boring
Tbh it seems to have some interesting parts at the end though
frosty path
It was fine untill someone made the optimal route boring<:feelspkman:63963644282...
kinda how i feel about the all glitches category, so boring to watch
stable quarry
kinda how i feel about the all glitches category, so boring to watch
They are more fun to do than watch imo.
frosty path
They are more fun to do than watch imo.
yeah that's the impression i get
vagrant warren
Hey, is there a mod for savestating in 1.2.2.1?
Yes, debug. Check the resources channel of the speedrun server in pins
visual spoke
does anyone have the route? i cant find a good image anywhere online
untold chasm
Yes, debug. Check the resources channel of the speedrun server in pins
Thx
vagrant warren
does anyone have the route? i cant find a good image anywhere online
There are more up to date resources in the speedrun server in pins, although I don't know if there's a msp for the most current route
rapid nest
It was fine untill someone made the optimal route boring<:feelspkman:63963644282...
oops
steady lynx
They are more fun to do than watch imo.
So the Inverse of nmg
analog pawn
I enjoy both NMG and NMMS. There are tricks in NMG I don't like but I just avoid those categories
Bigger fan of NMMS though
steady lynx
There are tricks in NMG that shouldn't be in NMG
analog pawn
Yeah
analog pawn
Luckily pause storage is not really useful for anything right now
It was used for something before though
But I never recall what
steady lynx
I think it was technically optimal for quitting out after buying Cornifer map
And voidheart
But now we have faster ways for both
analog pawn
Right
I recall it being gotten on the way up to lurien in something?
Maybe a TE category before lp room dupes where founf
Idk
steady lynx
There's some cursed uses where it saves minimal time on some quitouts
analog pawn
Oh ik, old any ag
You got it while riding up the elevator to save time on quit out or something I believe
steady lynx
I miss old any ag, and old low ag, and current spelless ag?
analog pawn
Yeah but the ssoob saves a lot
Don't need to die and setup shade and then go back from the bench again
steady lynx
If I didn't hate superslides
rapid nest
Maybe a TE category before lp room dupes where founf
teag dupeless since you cant have noclip for downdash early control
weary root
glitch talk in hkmain 
steady lynx
It's like everything that happens here except when people ask questions where the answer is "check pins"
Like every runner who checks this chat are glitched runners for some reason
weary root
it's cause it can be a recruiting ground and that's very imporant
steady lynx
Everyone loves Zote% NMMS
weary root
steady lynx
Wait holy heck, its the ex-wr holders in 0 geo AG, THE Eisog
Wouldn't going to RG and duping to Monomon from there be optimal?
rapid nest
free wr 
weary root
Wouldn't going to RG and duping to Monomon from there be optimal?
yes but dupes 
rapid nest
the worst any% ag run ever or the best 0 geo ag run ever
weary root
dupes 
steady lynx
Did you record audio?
rapid nest
i messed up my first attempt by equipping gathering swarm
rapid nest
Did you record audio?
surely 
nope i didnt lmao
world record for most unverifiable world records 
steady lynx
Ax is shaking in his boots
analog pawn
you just start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk
A more serious answer is that you can just do an any% NMG route of some kind. You can get shade soul if you want easier watcher knights. People can help you with that in the pinned server
steady lynx
you just start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu...
Should we update the pasta since the Staxis stag chain is optimal for one room?
trail raptor
Any % is allowed when you win, but no major glitches
analog pawn
It is the most popular any% ruleset, no major glitches. Normally you do watcher knights, uumuu and The Hollow Knight with just vengeful spirit and shaman stone but you can spend an extra few minutes for some more upgrades
you can get a lot of extra stuff and still beat the game in under an hour without problems
as long as you know the route and don't die too many times
gilded whale
Is there a good YouTube video that explains the rout and skips for a reg any% run
trail raptor
Is there a good YouTube video that explains the rout and skips for a reg any% ru...
Probably one by fire born since they used to speedrun (and might still not sure) any% nmg
royal smelt
Anyone know any good ways to kill the devouts?
analog pawn
With what equipment?
royal smelt
Right now I’m doing a practice run and I’m using nail 1 and shaman stone
analog pawn
Is there a good YouTube video that explains the rout and skips for a reg any% ru...
We don't have one with a completely up to date route and movement but Gwonkees tutorial is still good
royal smelt
There’s this one at the start of beasts den and the one guarding her rag that I always struggle to not die from
analog pawn
Then it is in runs on videos in speedrun.com I don't have a written one. You might be able to find that in the server that's pinned here
analog pawn
There’s this one at the start of beasts den and the one guarding her rag that I ...
If you are playing on 1221 there is a consistent way to skip the first one. Otherwise it depends on soul. In general try to get as many fireballs as possible though. The other one I do three fireballs then sideslash and upslash while walking into it to take one damage and then 2 more slashes and a fireball during the invincibility frames from the damage tank
It is the fastest way to kill it
royal smelt
If you are playing on 1221 there is a consistent way to skip the first one. Othe...
Thank you I’ll try that on my next practice run😁
queen escarp
Hi, does anybody know how to use LiveSplit (or another software) to track the time of P5 and also the number of hits?
It'd be something similar to this video of MonStahLer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXEXHawlrV0
vagrant warren
There is a livesplit layout element you can use that adds a hotkey to increment a counter, that may be what he used. It's not automatic like the splits tho. Many hitless runners also use hit counter, which does have a livesplit plug in, so it may have been done that way too.
queen escarp
Thank you, I'll check that out!
knotty vigil
erm can someone give me the story of monstahler i dont know him
or do i just guesss
knotty vigil
life story
did he like math
whats his favorite color
you know
introductory things
vagrant warren
... this seems kind of creepy. If you want to get to know him, watch when he streams.
trail raptor
did he like math
90% of the people I’ve met enjoyed math but don’t like it anymore
knotty vigil
... this seems kind of creepy. If you want to get to know him, watch when he st...
IM SO SORRY IT WAS 4 AM AND I WAS TIRED😭😭😭😭😭
knotty vigil
90% of the people I’ve met enjoyed math but don’t like it anymore
at what point was it trig? calculaus?
idk man im so tired
dusk aurora
Permutations and combinations
knotty vigil
im still not there
is that college or smth
im sorry but also how do you do glitched runs on switch?
do they break my save or make my switch weird?
velvet river
yeah your switch will blow up
velvet river
what do you mean by glitched
knotty vigil
like the 5 min runs
sand terrace
I have 11 minutes to get through beasts den and beat the hollow knight for the 5h achievement, is this realistically possible
vagrant warren
Yes
analog pawn
like the 5 min runs
You can do glitched runs on Switch. But you can't do main menu storage which is used for the all glitches route. It requires a mouse to do
The switch also crashes if you try to do roomdupes
But all other glitches on 1.4 are available
You would need to make a route with these limitations in mind for Switch
steady lynx
Yeah
stable quarry
like the 5 min runs
Switch runs are timed rta and switch doesn't have accses to roomdupes or mms so a good run would be in the 20-30 min range I reccon.
analog pawn
I'd guess 30 something
queen escarp
There is a livesplit layout element you can use that adds a hotkey to increment ...
When I was looking for Hit Counter, I found Pantheons Hit Counter, that was even better than what I wanted in first place with LiveSplit. It keeps track of hits per boss and total hits as well. Thank you for your help!
real summit
i enjoy math... most of the time
shell spindle
Permutations and combinations
really? that's like one of the easier areas of that math subject
knotty arch
My first proper attempt at any% nmg, Ik it’s pretty shit but I was just following the speedrun.com PowerPoint which I found quite confusing. Could anyone recommend me like a video or something that shows movement for each area cos I lost a lot of time improvising routes
I also died once to the hollow knight
On a different note is it possible to have 1.12 and 1.14 downloaded at the same time cos switching messes with my scarab
trail raptor
idk but from what I know (which isn’t a lot) I believe lumafly fixes a lot of problems with scarab so it might fix that however I’m not sure.
?tag lumafly
river axleBOT
Lumafly
Lumafly (formerly known as Scarab+) is a mod installer for 1.5 based on Scarab, but updated based on community feedback to fix problems that commonly occur in Scarab, as well as adding additional features.
steady lynx
You can have multiple installations of the game as non steam games
Here's my humble list of HK installs
trail raptor
And then just stardew at the bottom
thin rune
where's 1.5.78 
steady lynx
Stardew is a Hollow Knight patch
thin rune
or does it not fit on the same page if you have too many bad patches
steady lynx
where's 1.5.78 <:beesive:835963634433654864>
In the trash, where it belongs
I have 1575, I don't need more 1.5
thin rune
Fair enough :3
analog pawn
1575 is already scary
thin rune
I didn't even know that patch existed
trail raptor
Does patch 1.1.1.1 exist?
analog pawn
Probably a beta but not sure
steady lynx
It's just a beta, basically 1221 without lever skips and hitting bosses before they spawn
analog pawn
There is no full release 1.1.1.1
steady lynx
So 1221 but bad
analog pawn
At least
thin rune
Ah
trail raptor
It's just a beta, basically 1221 without lever skips and hitting bosses before t...
Wait you can kill bosses before they have the chance to spawn????
analog pawn
With flukes on some old patches yes
trail raptor
Easiest wk ever
steady lynx
1111 was probably only an internal test build at TC
analog pawn
Ye
steady lynx
Simo and Benji may have played it
analog pawn
I thought about checking the sheet to see if it was an available beta but didn't bother
steady lynx
At least we have eleven-fourteen
Wait, is 1.1 the most useless patch now that 1.3 is useful?
analog pawn
Which is the broken one of the 1211 installs
analog pawn
Right
steady lynx
If you're on Linux it's 1214 that's broken
steady lynx
Idk if any Mac versions are broken like that, not sure Mac can even run 1.2
Weak computers
trail raptor
Any% nmms fastest time?
steady lynx
15:56
trail raptor
any% ag is like 3mins… mms makes it 5x faster??? (Wait is it 3?)
thin rune
It's like 4:36 or something
trail raptor
Oh ic. Still much faster
steady lynx
There's an unverified 4:32
Any% AG basically just goes directly to Monomon dupe, NMMS has to collect dreamgate, dash and dashmaster first which takes a bit
trail raptor
Any% TE ag I assume might just be 1-2 min longer
steady lynx
All Skills All Glitches is good though
dusk aurora
really? that's like one of the easier areas of that math subject
I have trouble with the part where it combines with sequences and series and infinite converging stuff
trail raptor
All Skills All Glitches is good though
mms then all are obtained no?
steady lynx
All Skills has source requirement for AG
Just to prevent it being the same as current any% AG
Jury is still up on if 1028 or 1575 is optimal
analog pawn
I really want it to be 1028
trail raptor
I see
knotty arch
You can have multiple installations of the game as non steam games
Do I need to buy it on a non steam platform?
thin rune
knotty arch
https://youtu.be/cg7sH7FyAK0
thanks a lot
shld be very helpful
only done a total of three speedruns so far, wanna learn the advanced strats properly before i start optimising smaller things
knotty arch
btw i'm now pretty consistent at any% watcher knights but the fight seems a lot slower than it should be
is there any way to get them to group up or something so i can get double vengeful hits on both a bit more
lofty flare
You can group them up and also multi-hit them up to 3 times during their rolls
knotty arch
this is how i fight them, it's very consistent but also very slow. Btw mb for bad video quality playing on a piece of shit laptop and even these settings mean i'm playing with lag
Does anyone have suggestions to make it faster?
lofty flare
You are aware you can’t submit runs using mods right? This is just an example vid, Ja?
knotty arch
You are aware you can’t submit runs using mods right? This is just an example vi...
ye lol, this is just a random save i made in case i wanna practise watcher knights
i've only been trying any% nmg for 2 days now so i know i probably suck rn
stuck raptor
Practice more. You're fighting very scared. And you're wasting a ton of time floating after pogos.
knotty arch
Practice more. You're fighting very scared. And you're wasting a ton of time flo...
so i should pogo less?
stuck raptor
Just output more dps. The majority of what I'm seeing is you standing around waiting
knotty arch
Just output more dps. The majority of what I'm seeing is you standing around wai...
they're scary lol
i'll just practise them tbf
stuck raptor
You should almost always immediately dash after pogos to stay low to the ground
stuck raptor
Watch some top runners vids. They're constantly hitting them to gain soul
knotty arch
k i will thanks
knotty arch
also should i just practise them wihtout playing scared at all with this save state
i'll die a lot most likely
haven't properly practised watcher knights before
knotty vigil
chat 3rd speedrun attempt ever
stuck raptor
also should i just practise them wihtout playing scared at all with this save st...
The whole point of practicing is to practice and push boundaries/limits. You'll progress much faster by not practicing scared.
knotty arch
The whole point of practicing is to practice and push boundaries/limits. You'll ...
that makes a lot of sense, thanks for the advice
still need to properly learn the route more than just the rooms order
because i probably lose a ton of time to movement
and i need to learn the explosion thingy and queens garden thing
i've only done 3 runs so far tho so i got a lot to learn
stuck raptor
Yeah, it takes time
knotty arch
guess i just need a day of practise with debug
are there any videos that teach the optimal movement and the harder tricks?
i learnt the greenpath fireball stuff because that seemed like one of the easiest tricks to start with
river axleBOT
knotty arch
cool will do
i've never properly tried to learn a speedrun before, closest thing i've done is prob hitless souls stuff
north igloo
I am also relatively new to speedrunning and I find the combat to be difficult and that the skips are relatively easy
vagrant warren
That's true for any%, usually all skills is recommended as a beginner category with easier boss fights and harder movement
knotty arch
This is exactly what I was looking for thanks
Tbf I don’t have any issues beating the bosses I just struggle to beat them fast
I come from years of souls so I’m used to patience
analog pawn
a lot of the movement is not the fastest anymore in the guides but it is still great resources
the tutorial is also a reroute behind but there are only a few minor differences
to learn the up to date movement I recommend looking at runs and also joining the server in pins here
where you can ask more questions about it
knotty arch
It’ll be better than mine lol I just follow the speedrun.com PowerPoint slides that say which rooms to go through and what to do
Then I improvise the rest
Of the three runs I’ve done so far my fastest is 48 minutes so I have a very large amount of time to shave off
It’s still 8 minutes faster than my first which is good
I also need to learn the queens garden skip and the explosion thing but I wanted to just try the run out first
analog pawn
yeah you can get a 32 with the route in the tutorial easily, just wanted to point out that there are route changes compared to gwonkees guide that you may want to be aware of
and also that you should join the speedrun server
knotty arch
Once I’ve learned enough to consider myself a speedrunner of the game and not just a slightly above the normal speed runner I’ll join it
knotty arch
yeah you can get a 32 with the route in the tutorial easily, just wanted to poin...
That will come if I ever get to the point of being competitive
I’m a very fast learner tho so I can see it happening
The route is very fun
I like having watcher knights actually be something other than trivially easy
What’s the true ending route like?
vagrant warren
The short version would be: normal early game, clawless blue lake skip, lots of dream warriors, Radiance. If you want like a full route with notes I'd suggesst checking hksplitmaker or the speedrun server.
analog pawn
in general true ending is a lot more fight heavy
in particular radiance is the end is really difficult
I can't speak as much on it as any% though
haven't ran TE
trail raptor
low% te is very hard end fight
knotty arch
in particular radiance is the end is really difficult
My favourite challenges I’ve done are sl1 +0 souls runs so honestly even if im initially gonna be shit it might be the category for me
knotty arch
low% te is very hard end fight
I saw this run lol, I got into hollow knight cos skurry and fire born were on my recommended. I think it’s safe to say I shan’t be trying that one
I like cool fights and optimal platforming a little more than killing bees/ birds for 20 hours
analog pawn
Yeah TE might be the category for you then
knotty arch
Playing any% nmg watcher knights has made me realise what miyazaki was trying to create with godskin duo
analog pawn
It has a lot of exciting boss fights
analog pawn
Playing any% nmg watcher knights has made me realise what miyazaki was trying to...
true
knotty arch
Yeah TE might be the category for you then
I’m gonna get a half decent any% nmg time first then give it a go cos it seems rly fun
It would be stupid to skip straight to the more advanced category
analog pawn
People have done it and have it work out but yeah any% first seems smart
I want to improve on my any% NMG time at some point
knotty arch
The standard any% route is very approachable and I’m pretty sure learning that would make te far more intuitive
analog pawn
Gonna take a break from hk for a little bit after I get second place in any% NMMS probably but may return to NMG after
knotty arch
Gonna take a break from hk for a little bit after I get second place in any% NMM...
What does NMMS mean lol
That’s seems like a lot of letters
analog pawn
No Main Menu Storage
analog pawn
So all other glitches allowed
knotty arch
It’s the godhome thing right
analog pawn
Yeah that's main menu storage
knotty arch
Idk anything about the run but removing all progression/ upgrade parts of the game for a run seems very unfun to me
Also none of the boss fights are that interesting surely
analog pawn
Yeah I dislike all glitches. But the rest of the glitches are fun
knotty arch
In the base game with 9 masks damage just doesn’t really matter
analog pawn
Hence why I do nmms instead of ag
knotty arch
What are the other main glitches?
analog pawn
We get claw, dashmaster and dash before completely breaking the game at least
stuck raptor
storage
knotty arch
Idk what that does
stuck raptor
that's the most main glitch
analog pawn
Yeah
knotty arch
I saw a video before I ever even played the game wre some guy duplicated a room for a geo chest or something but that seems useless for a speedrun
analog pawn
The glitches that save most time are room duplication and noclip. For the latest patch route
knotty arch
What do you dupe for?
analog pawn
Right now to get monomon 3 times
stuck raptor
no
knotty arch
U can get three monomons?
analog pawn
Also to cut down on travel time by huge amounts
stuck raptor
they are an integer
knotty arch
I get it now lol
analog pawn
Yeah
stuck raptor
collect 3 dreamers, you can enter black egg
it's just that normally, you can't ever collect the same one more than once. but with room duping, you can
same with soul vessels. and mask shards
and relics
etc etc
charms are specific though. can't do those
"yet"
😉
knotty arch
same with soul vessels. and mask shards
Is this time effective?
stuck raptor
yes
knotty arch
I get that mask shards would make fights much faster with damage tanking
stuck raptor
been used in max% runs for years
knotty arch
Wait is room duplicating exponential?
stuck raptor
no
analog pawn
Depends
rapid nest
Wait is room duplicating exponential?
on current patch it kinda is
stuck raptor
it doesn't go 1, 2, 4, 8
stuck raptor
exponentially and without end are different tho
analog pawn
You sometimes unload one room
stuck raptor
you can dupe rooms forever and keep getting items in it. but not exponentially where you'd have 32 rooms loaded at once
knotty arch
it doesn't go 1, 2, 4, 8
That’s a shame, I feel like if mask shard duplication was exponential getting to like 15 masks so that damage is no longer a mechanic would make boss fights fast af
stuck raptor
invulnerability exists though. so you don't need it
knotty arch
But if it’s a shard at a time for anything but 112% seems too long
knotty arch
invulnerability exists though. so you don't need it
Huh?
How broken is this game lmao
analog pawn
Very
stuck raptor
you can completely unload your hurtbox
so you don't take damage
on anything
including hazards
knotty arch
Imma look up some boss fights with it
knotty arch
Optimal dps without damage being a thing seems like it would have some very cool mechanics
stuck raptor
not as much as you'd think
what's the grub charm again
fluke
Fluke duping is amazing though
stuck raptor
invuln in collo with fluke duping is the best
knotty arch
Where it keeps hitting enemies
knotty arch
That’s a non major glitch though right
stuck raptor
very hilarious
analog pawn
if you are into invuln fights though 112 ag sets up fury in p1 and p5 and then get invuln after hornet
stuck raptor
fluke duping is absolutely major
analog pawn
Yeah
knotty arch
So wait you have multiple flukenests?
analog pawn
Fluke dupe colos are wonderful though
knotty arch
You can equip the same charm twice?
analog pawn
They kill enemies multiple times pre 1118
stuck raptor
so gorgeous husk.... instead of spawning 420 geo... you can spawn 5000 geo
colo, a single kill counts for 3 waves
so you get tons of enemies spawning at once
it's hilarious
knotty arch
How is it that every new thing I learn about fluke makes the code seem even more broken
analog pawn
Flukes are just like that
knotty arch
Did the coders have an aneurysm?
knotty arch
Ah lol
knotty arch
I’ve watched p5 nmg and even without major glitches flukes did some crazy shit
analog pawn
Yeah
stuck raptor
well yeah. damage was too high
but it also just breaks things
killing all watcher knights with 1 kill
analog pawn
The hitboxes lingering for a while so that enemies get destroyed is kind of a big deal for NMG
stuck raptor
pretty awesome
knotty arch
Flukenest’s existence breaking the games code seems very fitting
Nothing about that charm has a hint of balance
stuck raptor
WKs fight is my second favorite
kill 1, the others just roll around in anger while you leave
knotty arch
It’s either the worst charm in the game or breaking it
knotty arch
kill 1, the others just roll around in anger while you leave
Imma look this up rn
That seems funny af
analog pawn
You can check out a 100% TE NMMS run or something
Main run that really abuses kill dupes with flukes
knotty arch
You can check out a 100% TE NMMS run or something
Imma do that
I doubt it’s something I’ll ever attempt
stuck raptor
best category
knotty arch
What I’m very good at is fundamentals
stuck raptor
(is biased)
stuck raptor
superslides are now obsolete in 100% yeah?
knotty arch
I don’t have the brain for breaking games
analog pawn
superslides are now obsolete in 100% yeah?
Essentially, noone goes for them. But some early game ones would still save time
analog pawn
Just enough timesave anyways so why bother
stuck raptor
but all the hard stuff is obsolete. good
knotty arch
The first thing that came up on YouTube wasn’t even a glitched fluke watcher knights kill and even that hurts my brain
stuck raptor
hated that stuff in 100% runs
knotty arch
It’s 1 minute to beat hall of gods watcher knights with just fluke no glitches
stuck raptor
but the rest of the run is so fun
knotty arch
hated that stuff in 100% runs
Is 100% like everything in the original release of the game?
stuck raptor
yes
knotty arch
I only started playing a couple months ago so idk what original patch was like
stuck raptor
yes
knotty arch
Oh nm
stuck raptor
before that, dream gate and the dream bosses didn't add percent
knotty arch
Nightmare king Grimm was my most deaths on my first playthrough
stuck raptor
white defender and... failed champ
knotty arch
Died like 7 times to him which I find funny now given I find him one of the easiest
He’s very much a dark souls boss though unlike a lot of others
knotty arch
white defender and... failed champ
By the time I found out failed champ existed my build was too broken to struggle
My first playthrough got kinda ruined by descending dark
stuck raptor
anyone's first playthrough would be ruined if they knew how powerful spells are
knotty arch
From a casual perspective it takes all the difficulty out of some really cool bosses
stuck raptor
but nobody uses spells
knotty arch
anyone's first playthrough would be ruined if they knew how powerful spells are
I didn’t going into it but it’s not hard to work out lol
knotty arch
I just used them and it made the game easy
Honestly it’s only descending dark that I think is poorly designed
stuck raptor
oh boo. you use invuln for the fight now?
knotty arch
I was bad at the game and first trying a lot of the more difficult bosses
knotty arch
oh boo. you use invuln for the fight now?
The more I play the worse descending dark is but for a beginner it gives you a win button
stuck raptor
has colo been fully optimized with the wave clear timing/map?
b/c there's checkpoints in there
analog pawn
oh boo. you use invuln for the fight now?
Seems like it yeah, idr the strats anymore. Never ran it myself so don't recall well
analog pawn
Kept to shorter nmms things
knotty arch
Here
https://youtu.be/Suhj8pBl5Gs?t=1h56m4s
At the risk of sounding stupid, why/ how did that happen?
analog pawn
has colo been fully optimized with the wave clear timing/map?
Not sure, more optimised than before at least
Every fluke could kill the enemy individually
knotty arch
Also is there a reason for it being played on steel soul?
stuck raptor
I just used colo as eff around and giggle time. never bothered to optimize the wave kills
knotty arch
Or are there just no shade skips so you might as well
analog pawn
So when sending 16 flukes inside something you can kill it 16 times
analog pawn
Or are there just no shade skips so you might as well
Just might as well
knotty arch
So they’re like dreamers where it’s integers not variables?
Or whatever the coding term is
analog pawn
Not sure why it could multikill
knotty arch
Been a while since I did that
analog pawn
Mick might know?
stuck raptor
a lot of things in the game are integer checks yeah
where it says "how many enemies have you killed?"
if>6, then you won
for WKs
and with flukes, since you've killed like 10, that's bigger than 6
analog pawn
Yeah for watchers it works like that
stuck raptor
so fight ends
knotty arch
Lmao, honestly I don’t even think that’s bad code. I love when games leave space for people to do funny glitched shit
So before the fight uh?
You duplicate the room
stuck raptor
and fluke kills are duplicated on that patch for the killing blow only
knotty arch
So 6 watcher knights spawn on each position
I assume
So the flukes kill 6 wk in the same place
stuck raptor
no
analog pawn
Not even, it's just flukes being able to kill one enemy multiple times
stuck raptor
you kill 1 WK
knotty arch
Wait I’m dumb u explained it
stuck raptor
the game just thinks you killed that 1 enemy 10 times
stuck raptor
so it indexes the kill count up to 10
instead of up by 1
same thing for Colo
waves are advanced by kill count
not by specific enemy kills
knotty arch
I guess it’s just one of the things that works
It doesn’t really seem like a major glitch to me tbh
It’s using game mechanics for an exploit
stuck raptor
so if you kill an enemy in colo with all flukes killing at once, that's like 13 kills
knotty arch
If it’s in the code you’re not really glitching the game
stuck raptor
that's not an intended game mechanic though
analog pawn
Well all glitches are in the code
stuck raptor
flukes should have never counted for multiple enemy kills
that's why gorgeous husk explodes into thousands of geo
b/c you kill her with 13 flukes at once
so the 420 geo is let out 13 times
knotty arch
Yeah true tbf, but like could it happen accidentally in an nmg run like p5 where you use flukenest
stuck raptor
except it cant
analog pawn
They patched it out
analog pawn
Yeah
knotty arch
This is kinda making me wanna try this route out
Not competitively
Just to do the crazy shit
I would suck at it competitively
stuck raptor
100% has a lot of shenanigans
analog pawn
Confusing things between patches happens. There was a while where I swapped a ton so I got confused every now and then
knotty arch
Is this patch one of the ones you can get on steam easily like 1.12?
stuck raptor
you mean 1221?
stuck raptor
no. this is 1.1.1.4.
knotty arch
The one I’ve been running on
analog pawn
You need console for them unfortunately
stuck raptor
^
knotty arch
Is downpatching hard?
analog pawn
But it isn't that hard to do
knotty arch
I’ve done it on my switch for Mario odyssey and that was annoyingly convoluted
analog pawn
used to be way worse
Kids these days don't even have to downpatch steam smh
knotty arch
Imma look up how to do it and if it’s not too hard I’ll look up the route and do a run for fun
stuck raptor
for the steam console command downpatching, you just have to use an older steam version, then run a few commands
that's it
knotty arch
Seems very doable
stuck raptor
at the very start, we had to use differential files to manually change our own installed files
knotty arch
Is 100% the category with the most wacky shit you can do?
knotty arch
Ite cool
coral shore
define wacky shit 
stuck raptor
some AG stuff is pretty wacky now
knotty arch
I’ll see if speedrun.com has a PowerPoint like it does for any% nmg
coral shore
It does not
stuck raptor
zoomers spoiled for ease of use
knotty arch
My first run for that I just paused at the strart of every room and did what it told me to do
analog pawn
Glitced runs are def a bit more to get into. We have a tendency to mention tutorials but not make any
knotty arch
It took me 56 minutes for my first run of any% nmg which is kinda embarrassing but it was at least very easy to just do each step
stuck raptor
^
analog pawn
Sub hour isn't bad starting out
knotty arch
Sub hour isn't bad starting out
I’ve done 3 total rn but I still have to refer to the PowerPoint
rapid nest
surely someone will make the any% nmms tutorial any day now
knotty arch
My third was 48 minutes which is still like 16 minutes slower than the best people but less embarrassing
analog pawn
Speaking of things that should be done any day now. How is the hundo AG route going? @coral shore
knotty arch
Do u reckon I could just use save states and try copy exactly what someone does in a video of a run until it works?
coral shore
Speaking of things that should be done any day now. How is the hundo AG route go...
🐑
I'm working on it dw
analog pawn
ofc
coral shore
Basically done if you stretch the definition of done slightly and then stretch the definition of slightly slightly
knotty arch
Do u reckon I could just use save states and try copy exactly what someone does ...
I did this is ds2 for like parry walking and shit cos I had no clue why it worked
analog pawn
For NMG you can do that. For glitches you can for a lot of it but sometimes a lot of things may be happening. But people are very helpful with giving advice or teaching
We always want people to try glitches
knotty arch
For NMG you can do that. For glitches you can for a lot of it but sometimes a lo...
If I give it a go with save states and just copying inputs to see if I get the same effect could you lmk why things aren’t working when they don’t?
Also nmg doesn’t have anything which isn’t just very self explanatory
Except for the uh
Flying mantis claw thing I’ve seen
But I’ve not even tried that
I have a guess as to why it happens
Cos it’s always set up on temporary walls
So I would assume the game gets confused if ur on a wall and it stops being a wall
analog pawn
It happens because we can store the wall touching state
So the game still thinks we are touching the wall and can cling to it because of that
Or walljump of it
Yeah, for gates that disappear the game gets confused and keeps it for us
analog pawn
Also done at transitions where we touch a wall load into the next room and still have that state
knotty arch
Also does opening inventory make you fall faster as well as removing the leg breaks?
analog pawn
Yeah, it uncaps fall speed
knotty arch
I do it wherever I see the top runners do it but I don’t rly know exactly what it does
analog pawn
And closing inventory resets fall speed
knotty arch
Yeah, it uncaps fall speed
Isn’t cyclone slash this but better?
Cos I see people use that instead of inventory if they get it
analog pawn
Cyclone slash only does it for a limited amount of time
But you can move left and right while doing it
And on patches after 1.2 you can cyclone midair but not inventory drop
knotty arch
Ah
knotty arch
And on patches after 1.2 you can cyclone midair but not inventory drop
I have done inventory drops on current patch cos I wanted to copy the insane players I saw on YouTube but I had to do it like as I fell off a ledge
It’s kinda hard
Only get it like half the time
analog pawn
Yeah, one physics frame. So the input is 1/50 of a second. Can do consistently but it is difficult
Maybe sometimes a bit more lenient because of interpolation but not sure on that
knotty arch
Yeah, one physics frame. So the input is 1/50 of a second. Can do consistently b...
What is the difference between a frame and a physics frame?
Does the games physics work at a constant fps?
analog pawn
Physics are calculated at a steady pace of 50 times a second
Graphics frames are the drawn frames
Which varies
knotty arch
I run the game at quite a low fps cos I play on my shitty laptop cos I don’t like how controller feels and I find the laptops flimsy keyboard much nicer for the inputs than my normal keyboard
It’s weird cos the only other games I play are souls and I can only play those on controller
(And slay the spire but that’s not rly a comparison)
analog pawn
As long as you get above 50 fps isn't too much of an issue. On latest patch at least. Before that you may notice some input delay
knotty arch
There’s no input delay dw
I would notice it
Especially in a game like this
Where that would be a death sentence
The keyboard I use, having basically no resistance on the keys has made the more precise parts easier
And it surprisingly runs with 0 issues (until I try record something with obs)
Once I start doing proper runs I might submit I’ll probably have to switch to my pc to be able to record it
Out of curiosity what’s the threshold for a respectable time worth submitting with nmg?
stuck raptor
10 hours
knotty arch
And final question before I get back to grinding, can I have the install of hk I run on have scarab attached for debug mod practice if I just don’t have the mods enabled for the run?
Or should I make 2 installs of 1221
stuck raptor
you cannot even have the API installed
so you'd have to validate files before every run
knotty arch
Ok ty
stuck raptor
not just disable debug
most runners prefer to have multiple installs
for ease of switching
knotty arch
I’ll just get two install of 1221
stuck raptor
I think I had 6 or 7 installs at my peak
knotty arch
I still have a lot of basic shit I need debug for lol
stuck raptor
multiple patches, some modded, some not modded
knotty arch
I currently have just my regular modded install that I changed to 1221 for learning the run (I had to redo all my scarab stuff for it idk if that’s expected)
stuck raptor
scarab doesn't work on 1221
analog pawn
I have 13 installs at the moment
stuck raptor
?tag 1221
river axleBOT
Current 1221 Modding Resources
The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.
- HK Speedrun Community Discord
- Video Guide 🎦
- [Basic Installation Instructions](#modding-discussion message)
Assembly Files
You can only use one of these
- Modding API: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll
- Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1102778898430824559/Assembly-CSharp.dll
- MiniSaveStates: Github
- Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
- Adjustable Screenshake: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098732512844456016/1100137284667445408/Assembly-CSharp.dll
- Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.
Common Mods for 1221
A ModdingApi must be installed to use these
- Debug: Github
- Benchwarp: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip
- HKTimer: Github
knotty arch
Ah cool thanks
analog pawn
Yay
knotty arch
I haven’t even begun to learn the explosion skip thingy for mantis village and the queens garden entrance to deep nest
Cost they looked hard so I wanted to make sure I enjoyed the category first
analog pawn
Explosion pogo you can learn quite quickly. The queens gardens acid skip is quite difficult though
But still not too bad with practice
knotty arch
From my very limited research it does sound like the explosion pogo thing has pretty reliable setups so I’ll definitely learn that one first
Queens garden to me looks like just having done it so much that you get the vibe
How much time does queens garden deepnest entrance save over fungal?
analog pawn
Yeah, I found that having a rythm to it helped me getting down the acid skip
analog pawn
How much time does queens garden deepnest entrance save over fungal?
40 seconds
knotty arch
It looks to me like the runners literally touch the acid so it gotta be pretty precise lol
knotty arch
40 seconds
Jesus
stuck raptor
hitbox is the eyeballs
knotty arch
That’s like double the explosion pogo
stuck raptor
so yeah, the bottom of the face can be in the acid
knotty arch
Sounds to me like something I’ll learn by banging my head into a wall until it starts to make sense
analog pawn
I did that
I found a rythm that worked with when I jumped of dashed and pressed cdash that became second nature after enough time
After breaks it is the one thing I always have to relearn though
knotty arch
Kinda embarrassing to admit but even the much much easier looking acid skip to monomon took me like 20 minutes to get 100% of the time
And that ones lenient af
analog pawn
What I do is just walk of the platform and I hit the wall and can cdash of
Def failed it sometimes in the beginning but it isn't too hard
knotty arch
I jump dashed for the first like 10 minutes trying it cos I was just copying the queens garden technique I saw in runs lol
Worked maybe 20% of the time
But ye I do find it very easy now I actually understand it
analog pawn
Ye
analog pawn
Understanding is a big part in tricks. That's why I always try to ask questions when I struggle a lot
stuck raptor
^
knotty arch
The fireball skip where you can’t just full jump has taken me the longest to get consistent so far
I got it now
But took like half an hour
For a very simple trick
stuck raptor
that's like the one that's different though
relies mostly on pushback instead of fall speed reset
knotty arch
I found the other two much easier because they’re very intuitive
stuck raptor
most people initially think the pushback is what makes fireball skips work
and that's not true
coral shore
for which fireball skip you can't full jump?
analog pawn
I assume the last one yeah
stuck raptor
after the hornet fireball
coral shore
I full jump for it?
knotty arch
most people initially think the pushback is what makes fireball skips work
I watched the Ismas tier any% thing which is why I know it’s not the case lol
analog pawn
You can do a full jump but you need to do it late
stuck raptor
yeah. but that's a perfect example of where understanding why the trick works makes it much easier
analog pawn
Or you bonk
knotty arch
If that’s possible I might rework my setup
stuck raptor
if you think it works b/c of pushback, you're going to fireball at the apex of your jump
which is wrong
knotty arch
yeah. but that's a perfect example of where understanding why the trick works ma...
The thing that made them easy for me was turning on infinite soul and spending 10 minutes working out the optimal speed to click quick focus at
Wait not quick focus
analog pawn
Quick cast yippee
knotty arch
Quick fast
stuck raptor
lel
knotty arch
*cast
I get em mixed up all the time lol
I didn’t even know quick cast existed until looking at the speedrun doc
analog pawn
surprisingly common
knotty arch
It was a game changer for literally everything tho
knotty arch
surprisingly common
The game told me to click a so I clicked a lol
stuck raptor
yeah. Team Cherry never had a tutorial for quick cast
knotty arch
Those like 2-3 frames make a crazy difference tho
stuck raptor
and it's not intuitive that 2 buttons would be able to cast spells
analog pawn
I rebound a ton of my buttons so I learnt about it in my casual that way. Not like I used spells anyways though
stuck raptor
Yeah same. I didn't use spells until I saw the damage values when starting to speedrun
knotty arch
I have quick cast as v and inventory as f now, I wanna change my pause button to be easier for the thing where you leave the seers room in the dream nail cutscene but it being anything other than escape seems odd
Also that’s literally just mashing so it’s not rly that technical
Small laptop keyboards are insanely underrated for how close everything is together
Also requiring a total of maybe 0.1N of force to press
i might not backup my saves like the tutorial guy for downpatching says cos idrc about keeping any of them
analog pawn
Swapping keyboards scare me. I still can't airwalk jump as well as before months after switching recently. Not like more than a handful of people care about airwalk jumps anyways though
knotty arch
Swapping keyboards scare me. I still can't airwalk jump as well as before months...
i used my laptop for the first time cos i wanted to play some hk on a long train journey and it all just felt a lot more intuitive
precise as well tbh
analog pawn
Yeah as long as it works for you that's all that matters
knotty arch
controller seems unplayable to me
but watching fireborn is what made me even get this game and he plays on controller
analog pawn
Ik great controller players but I don't understand how they do it
Ye fire is one of them
knotty arch
tilting the joystick to move while pogoing was just really really awkward for me
and that's one of the main mechanics
analog pawn
Fire uses dpad at least
knotty arch
multiple simultaneous dpad directions is just so much harder than arrow keys
analog pawn
Some use both and swap depending on what they are doing also
knotty arch
i can unironically see a gamecube controller with modded bumpers being optimal
knotty arch
i used to play melee a lot and whenever i go back i'm reminded how much i miss notched directions for joysticks
it makes the least precise part of a controller standardisable
is adjustable screenshake version of modding api better for speedruns?
screenshake has never rly bothered me but i've never played without it
knotty arch
i feel more like a speedrunner already
just need to work out how to get the zote skin onto my modded 1221
steady lynx
Basically done if you stretch the definition of done slightly and then stretch t...
So you're telling me you finished routing KP?
coral shore
You didn't stretch enough
steady lynx
<:clueless:1117570905636352071> surely someone will make the any% nmms tutorial ...
I was gonna do it, but then Stardew 1.6 released, we'll try again in 2025
coral shore
I can't finish routing KP, I'm too busy rewatching Ride of the Rohirrim for like 40th time 
steady lynx
Just tell us when the route is finished so Peeka can make a LOTAD
We're honestly just keeping the AG ruleset on hundo so NMMS doesn't suck, huh
steady lynx
has colo been fully optimized with the wave clear timing/map?
I learned the timings at one point, but here's the amazing part....
The timing is very fps dependent, so it's optimal to play at a really high framerate
knotty arch
i have now watched the nmms any% run and i couldn't tell you a single thing he did other than be very interested in maps/ directions
he should try talking to the map merchant dude it would make his frequent checks for directions more effective
also whoever told me to dash right after pogo for watcher knights, as obvious as it was it has basically doubled my damage
shell spindle
I have trouble with the part where it combines with sequences and series and inf...
oh arithmetic and geometric sequences
dusk aurora
oh arithmetic and geometric sequences
I have an easier time calculus, surprisingly
shell spindle
I have an easier time calculus, surprisingly
well calc is not that hard apart from rule memorising
thorn jasper
just re-derive every differentiation rule for yourself on every exam easy
steady lynx
Depends on category
knotty vigil
Depends on category
im doing any% nmg
sturdy glade
Any% traditionally gets dnail then lurien then cdash
Otherwise you either have to do sanctum (probably from left city aka slow) or get a ton of geo
And it's faster to just get the lurien geo chest and seal which is a quick 1000+ geo
ocean scroll
sages before mages
sterile junco
I'm not a speed runner but figured I should ask you because you'd probably know is there a way to get to salubra eraly in steel soul not because it's hard to get to that point just want to increase the quality of life sooner
trail raptor
And one with 50 fireballs for good measure
This is fantastic.
steady lynx
This feels like an obligatory meme at this point
analog pawn
I should find my di airwalk jump blue lake skip and send here again
It's just a funny stupid strat
steady lynx
Makes for a nice party trick
rapid nest
I should find my di airwalk jump blue lake skip and send here again
the old low% nmms one?
analog pawn
Yeah
sterile junco
Thanks will be using this from now on
analog pawn
I sent it in blues discord before and maybe here as well. Although I think I cheated with a walljump of the edge
Which low% can't do
steady lynx
I should find my di airwalk jump blue lake skip and send here again
My stupid ass shade strat was better
stable moon
Here's with 3
much easier without turnarounds imo
shell spindle
much easier to just ask salubra for take-aways
trail raptor
Makes for a nice party trick
wtf explain.
grim blade
What the shit was the end
trail raptor
QUE???
knotty vigil
Run ruined because of this...
weary root
yeah killing vfk during the scream is a bad time
knotty vigil
Indeed
lofty flare
My stupid ass shade strat was better
True
lofty flare
Hello ekko
stable quarry
I should find my di airwalk jump blue lake skip and send here again
I don't think I have seen that is that airwalk at gruzmother interact to get warped to the other side?
Hi nix
analog pawn
you are supposed to do it from the even higher platform so you don't need dash and claw but it is this
knotty vigil
you are supposed to do it from the even higher platform so you don't need dash a...
HOW DO YOU HAVE THOSE KEYSTROKES IVE BEEN SEARCHING ALL AROUND THE INTERNET AND I CANT FIND HOW TO GET THEM
analog pawn
Yeah it's an input overlay that I use to show my inputs when I record or stream
stable quarry
You can also make your own custom ones but even a really basic one is quite a bit of work
timber badge
goofy
steady lynx
What the shit was the end
Regular gameplay
tawny cape
hey does anyone have any tips for dodging thk's acid attack where they shoot out blobs of infection without shade cloak
weary root
you can jump, dash towards thk, then pogo to get on the other side of it
shell spindle
you are supposed to do it from the even higher platform so you don't need dash a...
why can't the knight just teleport into the BET and kill the hollow knight in 1 minute smh
rapid nest
why can't the knight just teleport into the BET and kill the hollow knight in 1 ...
garfield storage
steady lynx
I actually discovered a way to get into the black egg temple without any dreamers on vanilla months ago but won't tell anyone since the run would become even more boring then ||this is a lie btw||
grim blade
Gentlemen I poss a question.
Would it be faster to shade skip to get early shamans stone before going to mound and using it to kill both elder bulders with one soul bar?
stable quarry
no
stable quarry
getting it in one cast would save like 0.5 sec getting geo for shaman early would deffinitly take like 20 sec and the shadeskip aswell would just take forever because you have to walk trough all the rooms
grim blade
Makes sense
I’m still geting early shamans for my casual play thoughs tho
(Again I’m inept)
stable quarry
not sure what that means but go for it. gonna be a pain to get 220 geo that early though
grim blade
Not really
The kings pass geo rocks and money from gruz mother as well as any other stray geo pays for it
stable quarry
The kings pass geo rocks and money from gruz mother as well as any other stray g...
Gruzmother is 50 geo, each rock in kp is 15 and well rock then you would still need an aditional 60 geo
Seems anoying to me
grim blade
I grab the geo rocks along the path to sulubras
stable quarry
I'm not sure if that would be worse or better than just killing a husk guard
grim blade
It works for me
stable quarry
Yeah I just don't like using a minnute on geo collection
gilded whale
I am struggling to learn how to fireball skip whenever I try to do it I am unable even after watching tutorials. Anybody have any tips for this? Btw the 2 I’ve been trying and failing are the two in greenpath
worldly bronze
I am struggling to learn how to fireball skip whenever I try to do it I am unabl...
I think there's mods (possibly debug menu?) that let you slow down the game; those can be good for learning tricks
gilded whale
Ok I’ll try that btw what’s the easiest fireball skip so I can start by practicing on that one
vagrant warren
The easiest IMO is the first one in greenpath (on 1221, not done on LP due to lack of soul)
Fireball skips rely on 2 things: the backwards push of the cast but also each cast resets your fall speed. The skip after the balder guarding the greenpath entrance is lenient enough you can do it without turning around for the push, purely using the fall speed reset.
Also be sure you're using quick cast of course.
gilded whale
What is quick cast?
vagrant warren
Look in your binds menu. It is the faster magic option, compared to focus
fleet lintel
Is there a set of resources available to start learning routes and things like that?
eternal shoal
vagrant warren
Is there a set of resources available to start learning routes and things like t...
There are lots of resources in the pinned server
fleet lintel
Oh, ok I’ll check there. Thanks!
shell spindle
is there a most% non-infected crossroads?
verbal stag
whats max% no wings
rapid nest
110
verbal stag
oh i subtracted wings percent from that
shell spindle
- 3 dreamers, uh dreamers do not block anything
verbal stag
yea