speedrunning

[bronze wigeon]

chainsawman refe-

anyways

learn the map route and don't use cornifer

he isn't worth the time

sadly

[stable quarry]

Bare minimum is not nessesary considdering speedrunners can get pure compleation within the timewindow for speedrun 1

[orchid oyster]

whaat

[keen stump]

new chapter was insane

[bronze wigeon]

well 112% might be easy if you do practice a lot

i mean

the pantheons are long

[stable quarry]

He deffinitly is for glitched runs

[keen stump]

i think monstah did the etv speedrun under 3 hours

[bronze wigeon]

the colosseum is as well

money for all things isn't too sweet

[stable quarry]

That is 3 hours igt so more like 3:30 rta I guess.

[bronze wigeon]

112% under not just 20 but 4 hours?..

holy shit i am definitely yet to reveal these insane runs to myself

[thin rune]

I think monstah's run was like 3:21 rta

[tardy lion]

Bare minimum is 11%

[stable quarry]

I disagree, glitches exist

[tardy lion]

Then what stops you from 0%?

[stable quarry]

Need 3 dreamers to open black egg

[tardy lion]

Without dream nail?

[stable quarry]

ofc

[tardy lion]

Also aren’t they 1% each?

[stable quarry]

Otherwice it would be 2%

[stuck raptor]

You're not thinking with portals

[stable quarry]

True , that is why we get one three times

[tardy lion]

Oh

You don’t need dream nail for the dreamers but do need the dreamers for black egg?

[stable quarry]

Yes

[vagrant warren]

Why not just watch a glitched run?

[tardy lion]

Good idea

Will do

[stable quarry]

You should watch @coral shore 's pb

[tardy lion]

What is the name on yt? (Or in speedrun.com)

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure it's python

[tardy lion]

Thanks

[coral shore]

python_wizard
Also if you want an actual fast run watch Staxis lmao

[tardy lion]

Ok

[stable quarry]

but the 3 min THK fight o.o or is that not in your pb anymore?

[coral shore]

I mean Staxis's thk fight is a lot less than 3 minutes

[stable moon]

Did someone ping me or something or did it just give me a push notification when my name was said

[coral shore]

no way

I don't think anyone pinged you no

[stable moon]

Fascinating

[amber cliff]

I was watching Skateking's wr for any% nmg and I noticed Lurein was still present on this screen after Skateking defeated uumuu. Am I crazy or shouldn't Lurien be gone?

Sorry if this is a well known bug or something it's been a while since I've followed the speedrunning scene

[stable quarry]

Seems like it has something to do with quitting out before they get removed in the cutsceene. This is Leps pb at the same spot but He did both dreamer quitouts

[amber cliff]

Gotcha

Thanks for answering my question it was driving me nuts

[stable quarry]

Probably just tc making a number flip in the cutsceene instead of cheching what dreamers you have

Aka tc spagetti*

[amber cliff]

That makes sense

[grand idol]

is this good for my fist "speed run" attempt

[stable quarry]

You can see at the black egg that they do indeed have all 3 dreamers. So it's not like dreamer quitout looses the dreamer identity

[stable quarry]

Depends on your prior experience are you happy / suprised by the result?

[grand idol]

ig

[stable quarry]

Like someone with 200 hours vs someone with 500 should expect different results and someone who has done a bunch of challenge runs would have a lot of carry over experience

[analog pawn]

This is indeed the reason

[humble quiver]

btw, is there a list of people who have done P5 hitless + all bindings? besides remto

[stable quarry]

Not that I know of but there are people keeping count

[rapid nest]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1PG411D72b/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1WV411w7aa/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1u84y1D7uK/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlzInM9VChU
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Th4y1o7X8/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yP41127bz/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQj4dzAIons
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ZG411M7KR/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1BG4y1f7c5/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1H34y1W7xP/
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ta411v7Bc/

thats all current clears

[stable quarry]

???

Oh

[humble quiver]

wow, thanks for the links, that's impressive!

[lofty flare]

Got the same thing in TE

I had to go double check the save file-

[light finch]

anyone got a guide on how to start speedrunning

like a video or something

[vagrant totem]

fireb0rn has a pretty in depth and comprehensive guide for all of any% nmg including game setup and everything

[stable quarry]

Bosses: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aCaVTAUtc&list=PLfkLKB8O1Ff0-AApWYqqgFjMcMMVaW_JH
Movement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5yUX98-76A
Watcher Knights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc-_Vg-Y8ME

Or
All glitches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkJ7TI4d0EQ&t=452s

[light finch]

tyty 🫶

[vital geode]

Hello, I really haven’t played much on 1221 at all so I don’t really know all of the subtle differences that top speedrunners use but I was watching Skate’s any% world record and as he leaves seer and goes back past the dream nail statue to head towards city he manages to jump, dash and then dash again before landing. Im not sure what’s going on to let him dash twice in a single jump so I thought I’d come here to try and figure it out? It doesn’t look like it’s a wall cling storage thing as the knight doesn’t look like he’s clinging and he doesn’t get that big speed boost but I don’t really understand the specifics of the trick so I could be wrong. Seems like it would be a helpful trick to know how to use if it’s something you can do consistently. Thanks for any info

[steady lynx]

It's airwalk, the game basically forgets that you're not on the floor, so at the first dash it thinks he dashed from the floor

I think in city it's done by buffering a jump after dashing over a floor seam

[vital geode]

Floor seam sounds like it’s a pretty precise trick. So not something that has a lot of wide uses I’m guessing?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's pretty specific spots, but if you know them buffering jumps out of a dash isn't too hard

Making use of it is pretty impossible in 90% of places since the NMG ruleset limits it a lot

[vital geode]

Fair enough. Thanks for enlightening me

[steady lynx]

Oh, dashing over a seam like that might also work on 1.4 and 1.5, not really sure, I don't play new patches a lot

[keen stump]

Are any nail upgrades recommended or shaman stone all the way

[stable quarry]

for any% getting a nail upgrade looses ~1 min but makes bosses easier

[keen stump]

Nah I'm just talking ab the speedrunner 2 achievement

[stable quarry]

Then do what ever you want you got prenty of time as long as you don't chain die or get lost

[keen stump]

Gotcha

[tardy lion]

If for the achievement 1 nail upgrade is 100% worth it, probably get second upgrade if you get a pale ore somewhere along the way

[stable quarry]

The two fastest pale ores are seer ore for 300 essence and basin ore.

For the essence I'd reccon the fastest would be Xero, Elder Hu and Gorb or Xero and Galien

[steady lynx]

Then it's just faster to get basin ore if you're doing tram pass to city

[stable quarry]

I assume you mean compared to galien

[tardy lion]

Y would you tho .-.

[stable quarry]

How much does trampass route even loose?

[steady lynx]

How much slower is any% steelsoul?

[stable quarry]

Any% steel soul is less optimized too though right?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, we need to get skate on that

[stable quarry]

35:25 compared to 31:24

So 3 minnutes

5-1 = 3

[wind pebble]

can someone help me with livesplit

though for a different game, i dont have much places to ask about it

[vagrant warren]

There is a livesplit troubleshooting guide in the pinned server, but there's probably a server out there somewhere for the actual game you're having trouble with

[brave vector]

I think I overshot the speedrun achievement a bit (I forgor to screenshot the completion screen)

Managed to skip Monarch Wings using a pogo, pulled off the Isma's Tear skip, and used Blue Lake skip (the shade skip with claw and dash).

[stable quarry]

Ismas tear skip? As in fog canyon acid skip?

[brave vector]

Yeah

[stable quarry]

Oh nice

[craggy orchid]

guys i need help with livesplit for hollow knight

[boreal gazelle]

a che tam

[craggy orchid]

ls

ne tut

[stable quarry]

Join pinned server, there is livesplit trouble shooting pinned in #tech-support

[mental pebble]

COLLECTOR IS BACK YAAAAAAAY

[vagrant warren]

Whatever that is, this is not the channel for it

[mental pebble]

it definitely isn't, I can certainly agree

I'm jsut glad they're back :3

[steady lynx]

I'd put it in #sr-offtopic

[coral shore]

BRUH

[steady lynx]

Just now realising python can actually see and type in that chat

inside joke

[vagrant warren]

Yeah, a mod did because it's inappropriate for the channel

[craggy orchid]

brooo, i love you ♥

[solar quartz]

im doing a godhome low% run, currently at city of tears, but the gluttonous husk wont jump

like it starts the jump but then doesnt

is this a bug

[steady lynx]

Happens sometimes yeah

[solar quartz]

but how do i fix it :(

the jump works once and then it just wont jump anymore

[steady lynx]

Usually it just jumps again after a few tries for me

Otherwise turn vsync on and see if that fixes it

[solar quartz]

oooo thanks

works now tysm

vsync i mean

[steady lynx]

Turning vsync on fixes the most random issues in this game for some reason

I'm almost confident that TC just played with vsync on when testing the game so a lot of random stuff slipped through

[stable moon]

the reason vsync fixes the husk not jumping is that when your fps is too high the husk decides to jump but before a physics frame happens sees its colliding with the ground and thinks it needs to stop jumping

[tardy lion]

So the solution is buy a potato

[vagrant warren]

only if for some reason you can't manually cap your frames LOL

[coral shore]

@lavish locust Hey please dont share discord invite links here

[lavish locust]

Where would you like me to share it

[solar quartz]

correct me if I'm wrong but godhome ending can be beaten without cdash?

also without dive

without cdash and dive

with stallball skips

[stable quarry]

Needs dive

[solar quartz]

where

[stable quarry]

To enter waterways area by flukemarm

[solar quartz]

ahhhh i see

but without cdash is possible?

that would still be 1% less than current record

if you took vengeful instead of cdash

wait no

yes

idk

[stable quarry]

I don't see why not, but you also need to considder killing all the bosses

[solar quartz]

yeahhh as long as it's theoretically possible

time to learn stallball woooo

oh also without wings

maybe?

[formal bough]

Cdash is required for white palace

iirc

[solar quartz]

man

[stable quarry]

Oh yeah you need void heart right

[solar quartz]

yeah

[formal bough]

there might be some shrogos for white palace but if you're wingless

[solar quartz]

so cdash dive required

[formal bough]

and howling wraiths would be a % anyway

[stable quarry]

Shrogo won't help here I beleve the cdash is massive

[solar quartz]

is it needed for wingless white palace

[formal bough]

nah wingless white palace only needs a stallball

[solar quartz]

ok

still 1% less than current wr which is 45% afaik

without wings

thats a shame now i gotta reset and do an even harder run 💀

[stable quarry]

You need wings to reach p5

[solar quartz]

you do?

[stable quarry]

Yeah

[coral shore]

Not in this server really

[solar quartz]

kind of annoying but also a relief

no one will have to go thorough that

unless new skip someday

[stable quarry]

If we didn't need wings for getting to p5 then it really would mostly just be wp that would change significantly and it's really not that bad.

[solar quartz]

can't you double stallball on this :3

nevermind

[solar quartz]

kind of funny that all cdash wings and dive all have 1 obstacle which makes them mandatory

[stable quarry]

You could run it with glitches and get past all of those but then there is less reason to do the run imo

Like the big challenge is doing phanteons with low equipment but with glitches you can get invulnrability

[solar quartz]

maybe I could do run without those but I just skip the impossible parts

that might be fun

absrad wingless is funny though

[thin rune]

rmg?

[stable quarry]

I don't think rmg would not help when it commes to cdash or dive

[keen stump]

lets goo got speedrunner 2

[thin rune]

Fair enough

I don't actually know rmg ruleset :3

[steady lynx]

Imagine NMG, but you allow unrestricted WCS, and televator, and slopeball, and sometimes Mound skip (depends who you ask)

Honestly, mound skip should be allowed in NMG, nobody likes that place

[high scaffold]

What speedrun has an early-blue lake skip to get dream nail before fungal?

To get Elder Who? essence

[coral shore]

True Ending NMG

[high scaffold]

ahh thx

[stable quarry]

Low% TE dropless NMG

[rapid nest]

low ge nmms

[lime wind]

Hey everyone, quick question: does anyone have an optimized route for 100%-ing steel soul?

[coral shore]

Technically, you can take 107 or 112 route and do that, since for all 1xx there are no intentional deaths in a run, so some individuals (gusten) run those on steel soul.
I wouldn't recommend taking 100% or 106% routes unless you are fine with downpatching, however.

[weary root]

early failed champ also sucks so you can just delay dgate a little if it's too much

[coral shore]

You could take 107/112 route and tweak it to remove some long percents (colo 3, last mask, kingsoul, stuff like that) and also you can use godtuner as an almost free percent

Not very free in terms of time but easy to get at least

[grand idol]

yo went from 3h runs to 1h 33m runs in 10 attempts

[coral shore]

Congrats

[grand idol]

new pb

[knotty vigil]

gg

[waxen hollow]

IDK if this is a known glitch/exploit or not, but I found that I could teleport to the top of a level when jumping up through a load barrier and opening my map at the same time. Might be useful to walk around on the top of a map in niche cases.

[rapid nest]

hoob

[stable moon]

It is known, but do you actually mean map or do you mean inventory? I don't know of any case where opening map (i.e. using quick map) would do this.

Also btw the position it puts you at is where your hazard respawn was in the previous room

[stable quarry]

I would assume they where using qol map tbh

[stable quarry]

Or they could just follow the 100% route @coral shore https://pastebin.com/dcNJnwbX

[solar quartz]

i have brain damage

didnt notice for way too long as well

run is dead

[solar quartz]

yes

[velvet river]

howwo knight I think

[rocky matrix]

Hello everyone. I'm trying to beat HK with the least amount of jumps posible, and after killing monomon, i get trapped here

Is there any way to make the game not save there and respawn in a bench?

Or bug my way out of there...

[steady lynx]

Should've put a dgate outside

I think the jumpless TAS just used divefloat to get out

[rocky matrix]

I didn´t thinked about dgates, thanks!

[stable moon]

Idk the exact goal of your run but if you’re allowing glitches the game is beatable without jumping

[knotty vigil]

First speedrun in Steel soul

[latent schooner]

what is the best guide to start speedrunning any% nmg?

[true palm]

Join the pinned server and there's a lot of guides

[latent schooner]

ok ty

[ebon saffron]

Where is the pinned server I can't find it?

[vagrant warren]

?tag info pins

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879286406726451210/880046151410282506/hk_pins.png?ex=65b0efd8&is=659e7ad8&hm=1c02db15af529d7e0fdc4d52b51133c23e2e91b8de098211bee30fc6ebab9d43&

[lilac tapir]

I wanna start speedrunning

[weary root]

Joining the server in the pins is the best place to start

[lofty flare]

Yeah plenty of people do

[steady lynx]

Holy shit, new Eisog pfp, still a Wigull, but it's a new picture

[weary root]

lmao

[knotty vigil]

New Gusten pfp when

[coral shore]

Thats not happening

[orchid owl]

hey, im trying to create a downpatched installation for speedrunning but no matter what i do it always launches current patch, even after i added a steam_appid.txt file with 367520 in it. trying to downpatch to 1.2.2.1 and i do not have a pirated installation

[weary root]

Try removing the .txt
Windows hides file extensions by default and might be considering it as part of the file name

[steady lynx]

When you have a pfp as recognisable as me you can't just change it

[coarse cedar]

yo i found something cool that might be useful in speedruns

during hornet greenpath, if you defeat her mid air, her defeat animation plays upside down and in mid air, she doesnt say anything, and flies off

im not sure if she has any defeat text, and if she doesn't this isn't very useful, but if she does, might potentiaally skim potentially skim off a few seconds

[steady lynx]

She doesn't have any defeat text normally in Greenpath, sounds cool did you get any pictures?

[coarse cedar]

unfortunately no, but it's pretty easy if you just vengeful soul her mid air

[stable quarry]

Looks anything like their pfp?

[errant rock]

You'd still to have for dash pickup tho right?

[coarse cedar]

yeah

[coarse cedar]

yeah, i just didnt look att their pfp my bad gang

[stable quarry]

Pretty sure there is no consistent way to get it eiter

[coarse cedar]

damn

[stable quarry]

Just kinda happens now and then. I think I have seen it twice

[errant rock]

But how is it useful then? There is any sort of timesave? Coz I am imagining it like this, hornet is beaten, hornet still does animation but somewhere else and you still have to wait to collect dash.

[coarse cedar]

yeah i misremembered her having some loss convo, so beating her upside down and not gettting loss convo made me think it skipped over the defeat text, but then i realised she just fucks off when you beat her, so it has no real use

[cloud trail]

She only has defeat text in the sentinel fight

[cloud trail]

I've experienced this by accident before I'm pretty sure it's exactly the same timewise

[analog pawn]

yesh it is

[lofty flare]

has to be a downwards diagonal dash

and usually u have to do it with a pogo

but VS might work

[lofty flare]

(iirc)

[lofty flare]

there is but its weird u probably need her to bonk some weird hitbox at the right t-ft

idk

never tested it

[coarse cedar]

Maybe it could be used to skip past hornet 2?

[brazen lance]

No, if you get upside down hornet 2, you just talk to her while she is in the floor. You won't see text that you can talk to her (that's above her head further in the ground) and iirc you can't dnail her either which will often make you lose time.
So just annoying for hornet 2, but still as funny

[boreal gazelle]

guys can u pls help me

im trying to do the achieve to complete the game in 5 hours

[stable quarry]

gl

[boreal gazelle]

i played 1.30 hour and im alerady taken the tram pass

is it good?

in deepnest

[stable quarry]

So you have dash claw and trampass?

[boreal gazelle]

yep

and 2k geo

[stable quarry]

how did you get 2k geo?

[boreal gazelle]

idk just killing the mobs

and looting

[stable quarry]

You might want to not do that and just sell relics as that is way faster for getting geo but I still think you could do the achivement.

[boreal gazelle]

ok thx

u think i should skip mobs

?

[stable quarry]

I think you should not farm mobs and not go out of your way to kill them

[boreal gazelle]

ok thx

[astral wren]

i started my first practice “speedrun” and i wanted to know if taking a little over 10 minutes to get to the part right after you get vengeful spirit and youre locked behind a gate from the shaman snail

[stuck raptor]

Sure

[stable quarry]

A good goal would be sub 4 min imo

Igt

[boreal gazelle]

help\

do i need to kill broken vessel?

[knotty vigil]

for?

i ask because, it depends on what category you're running

[boreal gazelle]

nah just 5 hours

achievment

[knotty vigil]

not really

[boreal gazelle]

ok

i got Crystal Heart

[knotty vigil]

all you really "need" it for is to get into watchers spire and even that you can just pogo the background object

[boreal gazelle]

where i should go now

[boreal gazelle]

i did it

[agile ravine]

horosha rabota

[distant comet]

idk if this is the right place to ask but can i skip to ismas with this gear here?

[rich island]

yeah you can make it there

[distant comet]

I did the cdash and like hit the wall to the right but when I tried to jump I hit my head

[rich island]

OMG I'm so sorry I didn't look at the first picture. You're going to have to go the other way 😦

[distant comet]

what’s the other way?

I’m trying to skip the arena specifically

[rich island]

yeahh its through the arena :/

thats the only way there

[distant comet]

damn

[rich island]

sorry about that

[distant comet]

it’s oki lol Dw

[stable quarry]

It works if you do a neutral jump

[distant comet]

?

I won’t hit my head if I wait to go right when I jump?

[coral shore]

You can either cdash lower and do a transdash on the other side or cdash pretty high up and wall jump https://youtu.be/2DRkBlVbgBs?t=2025

[stable quarry]

You cdash and then jump without holding directions then hold right to get to the wall once you clear the ledge

[coral shore]

changed the link for a timestamp

[stable quarry]

Does anyone do a transdash or is that just a backup strat?

[coral shore]

the video I linked does a transdash lol

transdash is easier to do fast imo

[stable quarry]

You run all skills?

[coral shore]

No I didn't say I did

[stable quarry]

So you just timed them because?

[coral shore]

I'm just saying that I tend to spend less time setting up for visual cue than I do doing transdash

[stable quarry]

Oh, I usually just charge cdash when I'm at about the right height

I think you have like atleast 1/2 knight of leway

I also didn't know what transdashes where when I was running all skills soo

[rich island]

I cant believe i never knew that

[boreal gazelle]

guys is it hard to do 100% in 20 hours?

[stable moon]

No

[stable quarry]

Did you mean 2 hours?

[boreal gazelle]

what do i need to 100% btw? just all bosses, nail, charms and green worms? or what

no?

[vagrant warren]

There's a lot more - all masks, vessels, nail arts, etc.

There's a website with a checklist

[stable quarry]

[Compleation]

That was not how it worked

[boreal gazelle]

can u send me the website pls

[weary root]

https://pastebin.com/56FFSH1G

[boreal gazelle]

ty

[stable quarry]

!wiki compleation

[weary root]

Worth noting for the achievement you can also skip 12 of this %

[stable quarry]

Oh that was not a route nvm

There is what I was looking for https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Completion_(Hollow_Knight)

[boreal gazelle]

i need kingsoul?

[stable quarry]

Kingsoul is a %

[boreal gazelle]

is it mean i need to go to the white palace

[stable quarry]

You can skip it though

You have 12% you can skip, 4 being godhome most likely

[boreal gazelle]

thx guys

what i should skip in your opinion btw which takes longer time

[weary root]

Pantheons 1-4, kingsoul, and colo 3 for sure

Thats 6%

[boreal gazelle]

the dream nail panteon techinques

[weary root]

Oh yeah ascending seer is a % don't do that one

A lot of the other things are all tied together, so like you want to kill all the warrior dreams anyway so getting seer rewards isn't that bad

[boreal gazelle]

do i need to kill them?

i just killed the broken soul bcs of nail

for 300

[weary root]

Ah warrior dreams =/= dream refights

The refights don't give % just essence

[boreal gazelle]

oh

btw why i cant see the %?

[weary root]

You can't see it until you pick up the ability in Black Egg Temple

[boreal gazelle]

whats ability

Desolate Dive?

[vagrant warren]

Worldsense

[boreal gazelle]

oh

thx

do i need to go to it right now ?

or its just dont show me the %?

[rich island]

just shows percent I believe

[boreal gazelle]

ty

[stable quarry]

Pantheons 1-4, kingsoul, colo 3, Seer ascencion, Grubberflys Elegy, NKG, flower quest, nail 4.

That's 11, I am torn between hive, godtuner and fountain vessel fragment for the last %

[boreal gazelle]

why nail 4?

[stable quarry]

Expensive, and pale ore. Mostly grubfather ore

[distant comet]

yeah 31 grubs is super tough

[stable quarry]

If you skip it you only need to save 10 grubs compared to 31

[boreal gazelle]

i need only 10? u sure?

[stable quarry]

Yeah

You skip elegy and nail 4 then you only need 10 because grubsong

Only reason to get more is geo and relics

[boreal gazelle]

i thought 1 green worm its 1%

[stable quarry]

Green worm = Grub?

[boreal gazelle]

yes

[stable quarry]

There are 46 Grubs so if one grub is 1% then that is about half the %

[boreal gazelle]

guys i did 50% in 6 hours

i think its okay btw

[clear bear]

its really nice

[rich island]

congrats, halfway there

[boreal gazelle]

thank guys!

[rich island]

of course

[boreal gazelle]

i did it guys

thankss

[rich island]

Congratulations man!!

[rough jewel]

Hi everyone.
I watch any% tas speedrun 28:99 (https://youtu.be/Na48U675ybI) now and have question: why TAS spend time to buy lantern? Does lanter has any effect except increase FOV in some locations (e.g. crystall peaks)?
Also why speedruners spend time to lantern? Is it very hard to walk in crystall peaks without it?

[analog pawn]

you can't interact with the toll to pay in the dark

[rough jewel]

oh.. thanks!

[fossil sinew]

Now, I’m not necessarily trying to speedrun atm, but I do have a question I figure y’all ought to know : what are some tips on doing fireball skips? Specifically the one in Queen’s Station; I’ve heard using quickcast makes it easier but is there anything more beyond that?

[steady lynx]

For bigger ones like the QS one it's very important to know when to do the turnarounds to lose minimal height

[fossil sinew]

So should one try to do their turnarounds sooner?

[steady lynx]

Spaced out a bit, the first one after the Knight has gone past the apex of the jump

[fossil sinew]

Ah ok, I’ll try to keep that in mind, thanks

[steady lynx]

The low% NMG runs on 1221 are the main help you can get for it

[stable moon]

you can also do QS fireball skip with only one turnaround but literally everything has to be perfect

generally thats harder but it could work for you

[steady lynx]

I'd not really call 1fb human viable in QS, realistic limit is probably 2

[weary root]

I think staxxy means 3 fb but 1 turn around

[steady lynx]

Oh that makes way more sense

Tbh I wasn't even sure 1fb was possible

[surreal light]

I was doing a white palace run and i managed to reach kingsoul livesplit didn't stopped , do ı have to stop livesplit myself in white palace runs ?

[weary root]

have you activated the autosplitter?

[surreal light]

Yes , the last split was kingsoul

[analog pawn]

Do you have end triggering autosplit on?

And kingsoul selected

[surreal light]

İ guess not

İ'll try it thanks

[solar quartz]

anyone have tips for low ge collector im super stuck

[vagrant warren]

Practice. Focus on adds so they don't mob you, especially aspids since they can snipe across the arena

Alternatively pray

Alternatively run a category that gets decent upgrades

[hardy lantern]

Does anyone have a tip for the menu drop?

[weary root]

on current patch you have to press inventory the frame you step off a ledge

[orchid oyster]

what is godsoul

[vagrant warren]

It's a mod. Check the readme to learn more

[worthy cloud]

Hrm, I just experienced something very strange. I’m not 100% sure of the circumstances, but I remember grabbing grimmchild from the tent in dirtmouth, c-dashing toward the bench and hitting up as I passed it to sit down, but forgetting to cancel the dash so sailing right past, then deciding to enter Bretta’s house and the game zipped me back to the bench instantly.

Is this known?

wth, I replicated it twice

Worked on the stag door too…

I wonder if you could use this other places to zip back to a bench after doing something else

[weary root]

yeah this is called delayed interaction, you can get it by interacting on the last frame possible when going past a door/bench/item while doing something that prevents you from interacting with it like cdashing/using nail

[worthy cloud]

Weird

[analog pawn]

It has been used for some glitched runs to skip things, because while going to the bench only your horizontal position is changed. The game also zips you through walls

[steady lynx]

It was used to skip ancestral mound on 1.3+ until we found a way that was actually fun

And then we discovered that VS is kinda pointless, so now ancestral mound isn't even visited usually

[worthy cloud]

That’s the way of things

It wasn’t replaced by that weird main menu storage double room loading thing, was it?

[rapid nest]

no thats a different category entirely

[bold basin]

Idk if i neeed to ask about this here but i still will. So basically the timer on live split dosent move even though i click the button to start the split and the run it goes green so i does regvister btu the timer stays on 0.00 @bold basin if you might know how to fix trhis\

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[vagrant warren]

(Answered in #modding-discussion )

[proud imp]

hi everyone do you know any speedrunners i am a youtuber and i would like to make a video on a hollow knight record ?

[vagrant warren]

You may want to ask in the speedrun server, in pins

[proud imp]

sorry where ?

[vagrant warren]

?tag info pins

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879286406726451210/880046151410282506/hk_pins.png?ex=65b0efd8&is=659e7ad8&hm=1c02db15af529d7e0fdc4d52b51133c23e2e91b8de098211bee30fc6ebab9d43&

[proud imp]

thanks

really, thank you

[urban wren]

I'm mean I'm not good but I speedrun
I had like a 5 minute something second run on P1

[proud imp]

ok ok do you have clips ?

[fair galleon]

https://medal.tv/games/hollow-knight/clips/1Rr0xsdsWom-k7/d1337bi0NUMC?invite=cr-MSxERlosNjUwNjEyMDYs

does anyone know what this is?

it looks kinda like wall cling storage but idk where i wouldve gotten it, i thought it had to be off of sliding walls

[steady lynx]

Just corner WCS

[stable quarry]

Is that setup consistent

[steady lynx]

Try it

Unironically could be optimal for like 106

[true palm]

looked like they walked in the clip

[rapid nest]

its consistent

iirc its because you have the idle state from cdashing into the room which makes you get pushed out of the wall slightly

[true palm]

i doubt its optimal but thats sick that its consistent

[stable quarry]

At that spot or all corners?

All subunits etc

[true palm]

If that's true it's any corner that you crash into from a load

[tidal tendon]

how do speedrunners get older versions of the game? Do you have to pirate it?

[steady lynx]

1221 is directly supported as a steam beta

||Most of|| the rest can be obtained by owning the game on steam and typing in specific download commands into the steam console window

[rapid nest]

only works on some corners, i assume its just subunit dependent but idk

[bronze wigeon]

Guys does anyone have a detailed(or at least colored) full map of hallownest?

It's essential for my speedrun because path memorization isn't for me

[bronze wigeon]

Thanks

[weary root]

if you do a couple runs it won't take long before you have the route memorised

[vagrant warren]

there's also https://www.hallownest.net/ if you really want details

[karmic roost]

im trying the fireborn route but i suck at shade skip

[stable quarry]

Achivement?

[vagrant warren]

I'm assuming any%, I don't think the cheevo guide has a shade skip

[stable quarry]

It doesn't? Huh, I though it saved minnutes. Guess it is quite hard yeah

[karmic roost]

no im just bored

[stable quarry]

My suggestion would be to do the wcs if you don't want to do the shadeskip

https://youtu.be/lXYvL4GQzNI

[karmic roost]

the shade despawns sometimes

[stable quarry]

Yeah it has a despawn sphere

Basically if it goes to far away from the initial position it goes back

[floral steppe]

anyone know how to install mods that aren't in the scarab list? im trying to install this speedrun mod for 1.4.3.2 but i just can't

[vagrant warren]

See the bottom of the pins in #modding-discussion

[sturdy glade]

what're you speedrunning bud

[woeful spruce]

is there a guide video to an easy 2-3 hour speedrun that anyone can do or do i just have to get better

[stable quarry]

106 TE is 2-3 hours long and one of the reccomended beginner categories when picking up speedrunning https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMfuGR11MqJnudWWTLSdCOA8FiJGcYaaZ&si=odE5RkwcZQqdmBD4

[junior bolt]

tried to follow this one guide thats honestly good but i just cant get the inputs to work right

for skip to fog canyon from the crossroads

and then the run died to watcher knights

[stable quarry]

Most categories really are not 2-3 hours long

[junior bolt]

[stable quarry]

I might have missunderstood, do they mean a casual any% route that's 2-3 hours long or a category that is 2-3 hours long?

[junior bolt]

i think he just means a casual speedrun route

[stable quarry]

Oh

I'd reccomend shadesoul route: https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guides/p2d5f

[junior bolt]

i honestly need to retry a route

but its super hard to make some inputs with the input delay console has

like some acid skips with crystal heart i found

[stable quarry]

Or Fireborns achiement guide https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[stable quarry]

Wich ones? Should only need fcas to skip ismas

[junior bolt]

fcas?

bad with abbreviations ngl

[stable quarry]

Fog canyon acid skip

[junior bolt]

ah

yea

it was just really delayed trying to press down for the input to cdash

and id just hit the acid

i made it like once and then died the few times after that i tried it

[stable quarry]

If you hit the acid your most likely pressing early

[junior bolt]

and the first attempt wouldve been fine but i kind of skill issued against uumuu

ill send the route i was attempting and honestly wasnt that bad

i just think i am not the best

its from a pretty small YTer but i like the way he styles his videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkRKZHJXZRE

[stable quarry]

I have been trying a run on switch and it's really not thaaat bad

[junior bolt]

probably

i had killed one dreamer in the run

like i wasnt doing too awful for a first go but i just got hella discouraged and quit it last night

[stable quarry]

Starts out by talking about glitches

[junior bolt]

ive found a few of his boss fight videos to help out a bit

like pure vessel was abusing me the other day (i was trying to beat P4) and it helped

im still a relative new player i just wanted to go for 100% achievements though and kind of threw myself into a speedrun attempt

also trying to look at most of the other guides felt SUPER overwhelming

[stable quarry]

Mkes sence most speedruns prioritice speed over difficulty

[fading condor]

when does the timer start and stop in a absolute radiance speedrun? when the radiance spawns? when the abs rad text appears? when u challenge it? and does it end when the final hit is dealt or when the text appears?

[stable quarry]

That's more like a speedkill, there are no category on the leaderboard for that.

[fading condor]

but the wr on youtube has a difference of seconds compared to older records, meaning there is a moment the timer start that everybody agreed on (probably)

[thin rune]

It usually starts on the last frame of the absrad text and ends on the first frame of her dying

[fading condor]

ok thx

[orchid belfry]

how do i change game version to before patch 1221

[stable quarry]

Look at the downpatching guide on src in pins

[orchid belfry]

👍

[radiant nymph]

whats the dumbest speedrunning catagory rn

[floral wagon]

Prob genocide lowest %

[steady lynx]

Adding low% before many goals can make for pretty stupid challenge runs
If that's your only goal the answer is low% Seer Ascension
For actual speedruns, any% NMG

[shell spindle]

oh no low% seer

the grind

[formal bough]

probably P5BO or CSC if we're limiting to things on the leaderboards

[analog pawn]

Including glitched runs it is low% NMMS

As it actually is on the boards in addition to being very difficult

[shell spindle]

true glitched runs are like pixel perfect sometimes

[analog pawn]

Not really, we do have frame perfect tricks though

[shell spindle]

oh yea frame and pixel are different

[steady lynx]

Low% NMMS has an option, you can do the route with an impossible glitch, or the route with an RNG glitch

[steady lynx]

I honestly kinda forget CSC exists sometimes

Even though I have a record in it

[north notch]

frame is timing and pixel is location

yea

[steady lynx]

Hollow Knight serves us with the amazing features of having both sub-frames (sometimes) and sub-pixels

[stable quarry]

Yeah I love sub-pixel, sub frame perfect tricks that are tft dependent. That's basically wiggle wcs right?

[true skiff]

Is there any way to downpatch on the Xbox app for pc

[steady lynx]

nope

[true skiff]

Oh

[shell spindle]

yea ik i just got forgot about frame so i converted it into pixel which is more accuracy and harder, frame perfect is very true but i blanked on the word at the time

[astral wren]

I don't think so. Outta ask someone else

I could be wrong

[trim heron]

Hey I'm super new to speedrunning and was wondering if having hitboxes on during the run is allowed?

[stuck raptor]

No

Mods aren't allowed for official leader board runs. (With some exceptions as explained in category rules)

[trim heron]

aw alright

thanks

also does anyone have any tips for acid skip?

[trail raptor]

practice helps

[trim heron]

yeah as I said that I just did it over and over

got five in a row a couple times and am feeling a lot more confident

[stable quarry]

There is this modded category where you play with only the hitboxes

[stable quarry]

Which one spesifically?

[knotty vigil]

is there any kind of speedrun planning tool?

[high scaffold]

Is there any kind of speedrun routing tool?

[stable quarry]

I think most people use pastebin

You can also draw on a map if you like visual routes, but it's more effort. We don't have anything of the sort like botw I know have a website for routing categories.

[high scaffold]

is there anything for drawing on maps?

[stuck raptor]

Pen and paper

Or photoshop

[stable quarry]

Krita (Free drawing program)

[knotty vigil]

lets make one then

[stable quarry]

Actually this is quite useful if you don't have the map memorized @knotty vigil @high scaffold https://scripterswar.com/hollowknight/map-sketch#

Shows you all the one ways and stuff

[vagrant warren]

I'd highly recommend SplitGuides for learning runs. It automatically advances your notes as livesplit splits.

[lofty flare]

dont forget to get the most use out of it u then have to do hundreds of frame perfect inputs in a row

And it goes faster with higher tft

[bitter mortar]

Hmmm... i wonder if the crossroads fog canyon acid skip is possible without crystal heart...

[celest oriole]

its possible with dash and wings

[rapid nest]

itemless fca my beloved

[bitter mortar]

SHEEEESH

[bitter mortar]

Unless you do a realy complicated shade pogo, you cant get wings before cdash

[celest oriole]

is that even allowed for nmg

[steady lynx]

Not really any reason it'd not be allowed

[formal bough]

that shade pogo isn't really that complicated, just need vs + a mask upgrade [or stallball] or glowing womb

[umbral spoke]

Dude that’s wild I usually lose up to 15 minutes trying to pass that

[torn tinsel]

Because you need crash and whatnot for the dreamers, it isn’t optimal anyway

[zenith void]

yeah

[wooden remnant]

My best time in any%

[stable quarry]

Nice I posted my pb up above somewhere

[fading condor]

since i couldn't find a timer for abs rad speedkill i made one myself in python, if anybody wants to use it here it is https://github.com/logbyjungle/Abs-Rad-Timer/

[unique plaza]

how do i do blue lake wall cling storage

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest joining the speedrun server in pins, there's lots of resources there

[stable quarry]

First one is easiest, secound is rng, last is fastest

[unique plaza]

when i do it i just turn around to the left

when i dash again

like when i dash after falling in the little hole

[stable quarry]

It doesn't work on 1578

[shell spindle]

how about in 2025

[unique plaza]

wht

ik but like

i got qol mod

and i did it in other places

other than blue lajke

[stable quarry]

Make sure you jump neutral before holding right

[unique plaza]

wdym

[shell spindle]

like jump with no movement? idk

[lofty flare]

It can’t be rng can it?

It’s gotta be some weird tft based stuff

[stable quarry]

Walljumping in to the sloped sealing gives you varying positions enough to mess it up 50% of the time even if you did it right

[coral shore]

tft is basically rng I don't see much point in differentiating between the two, especially on patches other than 1.5 (and even there you only have so much control over tft stuff)

Like it makes sense for tas but outside of that context its not a big distinction

[mossy brook]

?tags speedrunning

[river axle]

Category: speedrunning (2)

registry, 1221

Use ?tag [category] [name] to show a tag

[mossy brook]

?tag registry

[river axle]

No tag registry found.

[mossy brook]

?tag speedrunning registry

[river axle]

Clearing HK Registry Data

This is useful for fixing some uncommon game behaviors, more commonly associated with playing on older patches. Warning: Doing this will reset your local game achievements, including your ability to start a Steel Soul and Godseeker save.

• Guide on SRC (includes screenshots):
• Text steps:
  1. Press the WindowsKey + R at the same time to bring up the "Run" window, then enter regedit and press Enter.
  2. Navigate to Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Team Cherry, then right-click on the folder, and select "Delete".

[mossy brook]

I suppose it's also speedrunning, not just modding

[night sparrow]

Greetings
Would it be possible to start grimm's quest without killing any boss? I know i can skip false knight, i'm probably gonna have to skip hornet too and get the mantis claw is there any other path? i'm a bit of a noob and am having some trouble doing the stallball skip to the wastes

[analog pawn]

you can do a fireball skip from queens station to fungal wastes

it is also difficult but may be easier for you

also if you do the stallball remember to cap your fps

[limpid crest]

Found a weird quirk in the game lmao.

This speific scenario I found is useless to a speedrun but idk, maybe you eggheads could recreate it elsewhere, get some use out of it?

Video is from 2 years ago, but I just found this server. I managed to get myself warped back to the entrance of the previous room.
Was playing on PS4. IIRC I tried to attack the enemy (which was directly over the statue), pressed jump & pushed up on the joystick at the same time.
https://youtu.be/x5AqUNMU9VE

Has anyone encountered this before?

[tough relic]

Yes, this is a glitch known as delayed interaction, and is used in some glitched speedruns

[limpid crest]

ah, sweet

[royal smelt]

Does anyone know if the elevator glitches are a major glitch or not?

Decided to also post my first time😄

[shell spindle]

wait, why mantis lords?

[steady lynx]

Which elevator glitch?

[surreal light]

İf you are talking about televator glitch it counts as a major glitch yeah

[stable quarry]

Televator is the most minor major glitch ever

[steady lynx]

Legalize televator

[stable quarry]

Legalize wcs

[royal smelt]

I’m not the best at qga at the moment so I use the manta lords entrance for now until I get more practice

[stable quarry]

Just use spooreshroom entrance imo

[tropic merlin]

has anyone done an all charms speedrun

I'd imagine it's similar to elegy% since the charms are kinda all over the place

(also you already have to do elegy% anyway to get elegy but whatever)

[stable quarry]

Salubra's blessing% is indeed a category

[tropic merlin]

well, there goes my idea for getting a record

[stable quarry]

You could still get record it's just harder

Also I bet salubra's blessing nmms or ag is really porely optimized so you could get one of those

[stable quarry]

Actually seems like no one has done a glitched run of it free wr

[light finch]

is the skip for mantis claw removed on xbox

on the newest version of the game

the one that explodes

[steady lynx]

Pogoing the explosion isn't possible anymore, but there are about 2^64 different ways to do LP epogo

[light finch]

okay okay

ty

[rocky matrix]

Hello again, I'm trying to do a mms and then with that save do another mms. The problem, that second save is not in the third slot. Can you still do a mms from a save other than the one in the third slot?

Nevermind, I was able to pull it off

[stable quarry]

Gonna assume 1578? Pretty sure your good as long as you have a file in the third slot

[tropic merlin]

I have no idea how to use glitches

I've also never actually done a speedrun before lol

[stable quarry]

Well you could just do an nmg run but you do a major glitch and submit it as a glitched run. like skipping the blue lake shadeskip with wcs that's an easy ish one.

Salubras blessing isn't even on the leader board it's on a seperate sheet so you don't even need a recording it's basically based on an honor system I think.

[vagrant warren]

Isn't there some rule now preventing a regular run with one small major glitch from being enough ro submitted to glitched boards now?

[shell spindle]

I see

[weary root]

Yeah there were too many runs on glitches boards that were 1mg and a lot of them were even in first place in some categories.
We were having new people coming in after having watched those runs and being confused about what glitched runs were actually like.
So runs on the boards have to be using multiple glitches intentionally to save time rather than just accidentally doing a glitch.

[steady lynx]

There's still some accidental 1mg runs in the glitched boards we've just not removed yet, but yeah

Mostly since we don't know which are which

Also like avoiding people doing transition storage in Well room just to get NMMS WR in a random meme category with 0 runs

[steady lynx]

Today I learned Dyno can warn you for foul language I guess?

[knotty vigil]

dyno has always been able to do that

for a while

[steady lynx]

Surprised I've not been warned yet

[shell spindle]

what, foul language in here?

[steady lynx]

Did you reply to the wrong message?

[shell spindle]

no

i asked what foul language did u have in tht msg

[knotty vigil]

It wasn’t his message

It was a message that got auto deleted

[shell spindle]

ah

u can tell idk how dyno works with bad language

[stable quarry]

The meme scheet is not the board though it doesn't even require video so unless there is a rule for nmms to be faster than nmg then Idk how that would work

[mossy brook]

?tag speedrunninig 1221

[river axle]

No tag speedrunninig found.

[mossy brook]

?tag speedrunning 1221

[river axle]

Current 1221 Modding Resources

The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.

• HK Speedrun Community Discord
• Video Guide 🎦
• Basic Installation Instructions

Assembly Files

You can only use one of these

• Modding API
• Modding API with Adjustable Screenshake
• MiniSaveStates
  • Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.
• Adjustable Screenshake
  • Note: This Adjustable Screenshake is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for runs.

Common Mods for 1221

A ModdingApi must be installed to use these

• Debug
• Benchwarp
• HKTimer

[lost scarab]

112% run first time lets go

[night sparrow]

Does the perma float glitch still work? because that's the last choice i have(i need crystal heart yet i don't have dash)

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it works, but on 1.3+ if you mess it up you need to quitout and enter the save to try again

[formal bough]

You only need claw to get crystal heart glitchless

(and a way into peaks)

but yeah float still works you can do that too

[night sparrow]

how? crystal heart is literally the last thing i need to do this run

[steady lynx]

Low% NMG does that yeah

[formal bough]

if you have vs lemme grab a video

(I can also grab one that doesn't have vs but that'll take longer to find)

[night sparrow]

i do have vs

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/AkYGmkWKk-U?si=6ViLH9Jy2NHoXKr6&t=2106

[formal bough]

https://youtu.be/AkYGmkWKk-U?si=89EllB3QODF7zbfQ&t=2109

drat snailed

[steady lynx]

Kinda funny that we both picked the 1221 rekky as well

It's the same thing on LP

[night sparrow]

So it is possible... just need to learn to do that vs thingy

[steady lynx]

There's several reasons Low% is considered the hardest main NMG category

[night sparrow]

😮 i'm not doing that but if i may ask what are the bigger reasons?

[steady lynx]

Dashless minimal equipment boss fights, dashless darknest, brutal movement all over the place in general

[night sparrow]

uuhh yeah i have been dashless for hours and i'm struggling i can see now why it is that hard

[steady lynx]

But the runners get to go across blue lake dashless so it's all worth it

[tropic merlin]

where are you getting the info for this btw I checked the site from the pinned messages and salubra% isn't there

[stable quarry]

It's on the meme sheet not on the board
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSHyJ2ZdtTPvoudRJ_VAW_an61MumAHdsQOm4Z9wvn_ou73rxX9w9ydb_lDuyOTCnXvmb68HlMrjPYa/pubhtml

[robust obsidian]

whats the best way i can learn the speedrun route

is there a map i can follow?

[stable quarry]

Depends on the category

[robust obsidian]

glitchless, maybe 112 becasue im just going for the speedrun achivements lol

[stable quarry]

Some categories have guides and others you just gotta watch runs and lab strats

For achivements you don't really need much of a route.

[robust obsidian]

its been a minute and i forgot where some things are is all, just need something to fall back on

[stable quarry]

I also heigly reccomend trying routing as it can be wery fun

[stable quarry]

Just use this imo https://scripterswar.com/hollowknight/map-sketch#

[robust obsidian]

amazing

[stable quarry]

Doesn't tell you where to go but tells you where everything is

[vagrant warren]

If you're looking for an actual guide there's one pinned

[stable quarry]

For true compleation?

Didn't know we had a guide for that

[robust obsidian]

all i need is to beat the game under 5 hrs and 100% under 20

and 100% steel soul

[vagrant warren]

For the cheevo, which is what they said they were going for

[stable quarry]

Oh well I still reccomend routing it yourself but you can use a guide (take the easy way out)

[robust obsidian]

i will be taking that easy way out lol

[vagrant warren]

I mean that's fair but they literally asked for a guide

[night sparrow]

after 4 hours (and 2 days) i got grimmchild level 2 no bosses.... it was not worth it

[stable quarry]

lol

[stone steeple]

is there anything i need to do to downpatch besides just changing the steam version?

[rapid nest]

nope, that's it

if you run into issues with the game not accepting inputs on older patches you may need to clear your game data though

[jolly geyser]

whats yall best any% time

[steady lynx]

16:16

[jolly geyser]

damn thats pretty good

mines just over an hour

like 1:01

wait thats 16 hours

i read that as 16 minutes

[steady lynx]

It's 16 minutes

[jolly geyser]

thats impossible

[steady lynx]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/runs/z1lepgwm

[jolly geyser]

you do major glitches?

wait why cant i see it normaly

[steady lynx]

It's using major glitches, so it's on the No Main Menu Storage board

[jolly geyser]

ohhh

[shell spindle]

Ahem yes, So mms is so broken that they needed a seperate category for mms

Literally it

[steady lynx]

It's great to have a glitched ruleset that doesn't just have you start with everything

Even though it was split off before GHMMS was discovered

[stable quarry]

#speedrunning message

[vital python]

i speedruned the game for the first time is it a good time ?

[naive halo]

omg

[jolly geyser]

wjat thw freak

[stable quarry]

That's any% ag for you

[steady lynx]

If you leave the game open for like a full year and a bit you end up with a negative time

But the game is Hollow Knight so its pretty much impossible to have it open that long

[stable quarry]

Surely a 1315 mecanic

[mossy brook]

As in it would just crash after a certain amount of time?

Why?

If you're just standing still

[lofty flare]

Im 99% sure your computer would quite literally explode

one year with no restarts or maintenance?

plus yeah hk is rly poorly optimized

any version before 1.5 crashes for me if i tab out

and i've got a rly good pc

[stable quarry]

What?

I have some crashes now and then but mostly with debug mod

[lofty flare]

lmfao yeah

if i tab out too much

1221 crashes

[stable quarry]

I never tab out though because 2 monitors and windowed fullscreen

[lofty flare]

I have 3 monitors but

forgot to turn on windowed fullscreen

[stable quarry]

I have windowed fullscreen on other games to because I really like it

[proud tendon]

has anyone got the optimal true ending order for splits and stuff? im new to speedrunning and i cant find it anywhere

[vagrant warren]

(This is still not the speedrun server, which is linked in pins along with the splits website)

[proud tendon]

i knowwww i just thought since this is the channel

also hi again

[vagrant warren]

hello

It's just that this channel is not super active. If you want the most up to date resources, they're in the other server

[zenith void]

🛶

[trim ferry]

anyone wanna do pantheon races with me?
casual

[stable quarry]

How would that work? Like basically goodseeker p1-5 as fast as possible race?

[trim ferry]

I was thinking I play P1 as fast as I can then it would be your turn, fatsest time wins. best out of 5 pantheons...

[stable quarry]

Why don't start each phanteon at the same time atleast?

[trim ferry]

yea that works too

death means you lose unless we both die then redo/tie.

[stable quarry]

I think I could do that like 30 min from now.

[trim ferry]

maybe another time, ill remember to ping you to get together

[stable quarry]

Sure

[keen cove]

is there a server for challenge runs too?

[steady lynx]

Probably

[crude oar]

hi

[stable quarry]

hi

[thin rune]

hi

[vagrant warren]

probably (why would you ping me about that? Find someone running whatever challenge you're talking about and ask them))

[light finch]

is the shade pogo to get to resting grounds still possible

on the newest patch on xbox

[stable quarry]

Yes

[light finch]

1.4.3.2

okay ty

[ashen axle]

Ive never taken city crest path 😱😱

I always do that

Is the pogo off the one thing in fungal wastes still possible

Ive never been able to do it

[light finch]

nuh uh

i tink

[ashen axle]

💀😭

[formal bough]

Epogo is different on current patches; since you can no longer pogo on the explosion, you have to pogo off of the shroom itself. I'm not sure what the latest strategies are but one I know is good is comfepogo by math, seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM&ab_channel=mathulu

[ashen axle]

Preciate it gang

[knotty vigil]

hello guys, idk if i can ask for help here

i need help with downpatching

[vagrant warren]

If you're on steam its very easy

?tag steambetas

[river axle]

No tag steambetas found.

[knotty vigil]

When I try to down patch my game it says it has been moved somewhere else

[vagrant warren]

?tag modding steambetas

[river axle]

Make sure you have the correct game version for your mods.

• Lumafly/Scarab takes version 1.5 (set beta to "None")
• Modinstaller takes version 1.4.3.2 (and is no longer supported)
  https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283470827738103810/1024160413895639050/Untitled-1.png

[vagrant warren]

Are you using this method or a different one?

[knotty vigil]

i did it in steam

just like in the image

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest asking in #1057825333841240104 or the pinned speedrun server for troubleshooting then. (That option shouldn't move anything,, just change the version in your current location

[knotty vigil]

kk, ty!

[timid wind]

hello there !!

hoooo the little hornet is so cute

I need help

[stable quarry]

With?

[timid wind]

I speedrun hollow knight in any% nmg but I don't now how to wall cling storage

(I'm french and my english is so bad lol)

sorry

[timid wind]

I run in 1.4.3.2, wall cling storage is it possible in this version ?

[stable quarry]

Didn't seem bad to me would be nice if you where a little more specific there are like atleast 5 wcs in any%

[stable quarry]

wcs is possible on 1432 but not 1432 nmg because it is manned in the nmg 1432+ ruleset

[timid wind]

in nmg it's not possible ? shit

[stable quarry]

it's possible but not legal

on 1221 it's legal

[timid wind]

ah, ok

[stable quarry]

wcs before 1315 and wcs after 1315 are two different glitches one is banned and the other is not

[timid wind]

ok, thx !

can you please explain to me anyway ?
for the blue lake

[stable quarry]

For blue lake there are 2 good consistent setups to get in the right position for corner wcs. We have 3 slash and 1 slash

[timid wind]

slash ?

[stable quarry]

1 slash https://discordapp.com/channels/772964112908156938/822611544231772170/998351872316411944

We just call them that because we use slashes for the setup

[timid wind]

I can't go on the link

[timid wind]

what you call them ? dash ?

I think I don't now what is slash because I'm french xDD

[stable quarry]

First clip is 3 slash secound 2 slash and third clip is 1 slash

[stable quarry]

Join the pinned server

[stable quarry]

nail attack

[timid wind]

aahhh okay !!

thx !

[stable quarry]

You can still do this and test if you did it correctly on 1432. Just after the setup neutral jump move away from the wall and jump mid air

[timid wind]

okay

[high scaffold]

is there a community for multiplayer speedruns?

[steady lynx]

Not yet

[high scaffold]

😦

[steady lynx]

If it becomes popular enough I can see it getting added on the modded speedrun board, but until last night it was almost unspoken of

[high scaffold]

what happened last night?

[steady lynx]

An event so rare that most thought it only happened in fairy tales

Blue released a YouTube video

[high scaffold]

HERESY! No such thing even EXISTS!

[steady lynx]

But yeah, if people are interested in multiplayer speedruns and routing i can see it being added as part of the larger speedrun discord

Just gotta find the people I suppose

[sturdy glade]

2 player all glitches any% when

[steady lynx]

One person does the Monomon dupe and the other sets up thk instakill up to right before entering black egg

[sturdy glade]

Thats exactly what I was thinking

[steady lynx]

There's not a lot to optimize since any% AG does two things

[coral shore]

Smh me and zvy ran a bunch of categories together at some point

Its a lot of fun

[steady lynx]

One thing when we discover black egg door storage

[steady lynx]

I did not know

[coral shore]

well you should've read my mind

When it comes to multiplayer speedruns there are a lot of questions tho. Like does only one person need to accomplish the goal? QoL on or off? How to time that shit to begin with?

[steady lynx]

I've still not mastered mind reading, I put all my points into conjuration

One issue I know Cactus had with routing was that boss kills wasn't carried over to both players in hkmp back then

That might have been fixed now

[coral shore]

Its still not

[steady lynx]

Rip

[coral shore]

Also the sync comes from itemsync not hkmp. So there is some rando stuff that applies

Like mound being skippable, no hardsaves at shade cloak and brand, and so on

[steady lynx]

My modded knowledge goes about as far as knowing how to make savestates in debug and toggling hitbox view

[coral shore]

I really wish there was a mod that would just let you sync most things without it being ramdo. Like jarlyk's itemsync kinda thing

[steady lynx]

Bosses not carrying over kinda messes up routing any 1xx, if we assume both runners need to get max completion

[vagrant warren]

Do kills synced with TRJR not count towards unlocking Pantheons?

[lofty flare]

Itemsync tases hehe

[lofty flare]

Jarlyk’s itemsync thing could maybe be reworked to work in real time

But you’d have to filter things like new hazard locations, benches, and charm equipping out

[steady lynx]

Would each player also have a unique dgate position?

[lofty flare]

You can change that with filtering

Jarlyk’s tool syncs every last event

We just manually filter out what we need

So you could have unique or shared dgate

[steady lynx]

Unique dgate leads to more routing options, which sounds more fun in theory

[lofty flare]

I could ask him about it but it would require a whole new system to link the files in real time

[formal bough]

I thought jarlyk manually had to say "cause this to happen" for every relevant event

[sleek gust]

Hi ? I wonder why everyone plays the keyboard, not the controller for speedrunning?

[formal bough]

There's a good mix of both, actually

[spark vapor]

For me m&kb is more accurate and precise to use. And for controller ig its easier cuz the buttons are closer and more smoother

I prefer m&kb

[formal bough]

Like, here's a team controller vs team keyboard relay race that was done for HK6Y last year and that had like a dozen people on both teamshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhkN_r79tZg

Honestly the biggest thing is just what you're used to. Like, I've never used a controller with a laptop and it just doesn't feel right to me. In contrast, if you know the game well with a controller, keep going with that

[sleek gust]

i see thx

i play with controller, i cannot play with keyboard

with keyboard, my hands will be bug xD

[sleek gust]

okay I'm going to look

[spark vapor]

Ur hands turn into hollow knight?

[sleek gust]

maybe

XD

[sleek gust]

I see I watched the video well not all it lasts 4 hours.. well I see, the keyboard is fast, the controller takes the delay it's good to know

[vagrant warren]

And there's a 106 relay this year with the addition of team hitbox

[trim ferry]

if i die speed running is the run over

[mossy brook]

No

[thin rune]

i mean

if you want it to be

[vagrant warren]

If you're running in Steel Soul yes

[lofty flare]

Jarlyk’s tooling works by recording every single event

And then you copy the txt file from “Recording” into “PlayBack”

And those events play back at the exact game time value that was recorded for them

So the problem is linking the devices and automatically updating and mashing together the txts

[lilac tapir]

Should i speedrun current patch?

[weary root]

yes

[sturdy glade]

no

[stable quarry]

maybe

[lofty flare]

Definitely not

1028 superiority

[shell spindle]

hollow knight beta godlyority

[velvet kernel]

waiting for silksong speedrun 100%

[stable quarry]

Waiting sounds slow just do hollow knight 100% speedrun

[rocky matrix]

Ok, IDK what I`m doing wrong, but somehow, when I try to do Main Menu Storage, I keep just duplicating the save file

[umbral sorrel]

I like to imagine he meant in real life

[hearty oar]

did anyone has done any radiance 3.0

[rapid nest]

you are selecting game mode too early, you want to wait another second before clicking

[deep canyon]

p3ab 1.4.3.2+ is the worst il

[steady lynx]

I feel like p5ab 1432+ would be worse by just being the same but more

[deep canyon]

consistency plays a bigger role in p5ab and it's also much more fun to run (more variety and you don't have to reset as often)

[weary root]

This shows a lack of understanding of both how long it takes to TAS something and also how long forever is

[lofty flare]

It also shows lack of understanding of what a TAS is and how boring the eternal ordeal is in any context.

[weary root]

You are more than welcome to make it yourself

[stable quarry]

Tbh I would watch a 57 kill Eternal ordeal TAS.

[hearty oar]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-the-radiance-radiance-gif-23416069

[shell osprey]

i doubt anyrad 3.0 will be done sometime soon

[stable quarry]

I think it will be done soon ish like only 1 phase left to figure out last I checked

[golden yarrow]

its been done we just gotta figure out how to do it without like 50 lifeblood hearts

[peak cloud]

yes you are gonna fight the son.

[topaz coral]

im new to speedrunning. I want to try the any% run. Is there a way that I can practice every room 1 by 1?

is there a way to turn off the autosave feature?

or perhaps a different method?

[steady lynx]

If you're on PC you can get the debug mod which allows for savestates and stuff

[analog pawn]

Yeah, using savestates to reload and just do the same room over and over again is good

[bold basin]

is fireb0rns hk nmg any% playlist still helpful today or is there a more uptodaye thing

[night fulcrum]

Oh I like that guy's stuff

[bold basin]

me to

[night fulcrum]

I also watch Relyea a bit

[bold basin]

not so much me i watched him once for a turtorial but thats it

[shell spindle]

fireb0rn videos are nice

[vagrant warren]

The route is kind of outdated at this point, but there's still good tips in it. I'd recommend joining the server in pins for the most up to date resources

[fallow spoke]

Guys do you think a new player with correct guide can speedrun?

[mossy brook]

Why not? With some practice everyone can speedrun

[stable quarry]

I think a new player can speedrun.

[fallow spoke]

Perfect because I don't wanna complete the whole game to study the speedrun path

[stable quarry]

Without a guide it just takes longer to improve

[fallow spoke]

Ye

The draw back is I would know nothing about it

[stable quarry]

I mean the game is "only" 40hours to beat casually and speedrunners spend thousands of hours to get a great time. And you can really only play a game casually once.

[spark vapor]

My casual playthrough was 80 hours for 112%. Thats good right?

[fallow spoke]

I loved the only "40hours" there

[stable quarry]

Yes 40 hours is just for any%

[fallow spoke]

Lol

Jeez

[stable quarry]

I mean we have "speedruns" that are longer than that

[fallow spoke]

Oh

The game is fairly hard tho

[stable quarry]

AA is probably the longest "real" category clocking in at 6-10 hours

[fallow spoke]

So casual players? Nu uh

[fallow spoke]

Oh

[stable quarry]

Then we have low% te which is mostly a challenge run with a timer that is deffinitly more than 40 hours long

[fallow spoke]

I have heard with glitches it's 5minutes

[stable quarry]

Yeah I have beaten the game in 5:07 personally with all glitches route