speedrunning

[stable quarry]

O.o, well we could allways just reroll, idk how to find the goals and remove stuff..

[steady lynx]

Maybe once I'm happy with my categories

It generally means having good runs, except for low% NMMS, for that I just want to finish a run and hope nobody realises it exists after that

The category requires 1.5, the less time I spend on that awful patch the better

[stuck raptor]

kinda a moot point since you should be using quick cast for spells anyways.

[lofty flare]

Afaik Blue.exe and turquoise.exe are, because you can’t bind anything to a mouse on 1221 and below

But other than that

No

And they aren’t mods in the traditional sense, they’re external programs

[lofty flare]

Gusten why didn’t you do overplat 😭

Oh wait is it not possible to do overplat without Kwats

[steady lynx]

You answered your own question

[lofty flare]

Rip

[steady lynx]

I did get to the cpeak entrance after that though

[lofty flare]

Well ye

Ur not losing too much height doing this

How tf do you even get tilt storage

Also best way to get to peaks using wcs is damage wcs infinite wings imo

[steady lynx]

Just get bench storage on the bench in waterways

[lofty flare]

Oh, weird.

But not too difficult

[steady lynx]

I just stood next to it, stored a fireball, pressed up and instantly inventory and then just left the room

[lofty flare]

Wait you can get bench storage like that?

You can’t turnaround after the fireball, right? You’ve gotta wait a bit, or else it’ll fire

[steady lynx]

Sitting on the bench shoots the fireball which gives you control on the bench but inventory being open means the game can't remove the onbench state

[lofty flare]

Sick

[stable quarry]

that's a cool strat

[heady cairn]

is this allowed in a speedrun NMG?

[rapid nest]

no

[heady cairn]

ty

[rapid nest]

well on 1221 it is if you have a shade spawned

[steady lynx]

Or if you have cdash

[heady cairn]

so the wall cling storage can not be used if i cant get there normaly?

[steady lynx]

Yep

[rapid nest]

yes, and its fully banned on current patch

[heady cairn]

alr

tysm

[sturdy glade]

Don't let these modern ideas of "glitches" get to your head

If you go fast it's legit

[lofty flare]

🆙

@stable quarry hop on the wiggle wcs Kwats Any% RMG meta

[lofty flare]

I mean…this is

[coral shore]

Do note that this is allowed because there is a shade in the room so you do shade skip, without shade in the room this would be illegal

[rapid nest]

just get flukenest smh

[young python]

I kinda wanted to try my hand at hk speedrunning, any tips/sugestions?

[lofty flare]

Nah bro my TAS follows rmg rules

[grave dune]

<@&283547423706447872>

[lofty flare]

What

[stable quarry]

Ehm sounds hard ngl

[grim iron]

why did you ping mods for?

[knotty vigil]

I have 111%

[stable quarry]

Ok?

[knotty vigil]

Are u proud

[stable quarry]

huh? How long did it take? we are in #speedrunning so I assume it was a speedrun?

[knotty vigil]

51hours

It was my first speedrun on that category

Mid speedrun i had to practise some bosses

[stable quarry]

111% isn't a category..

[knotty vigil]

That means i am the record holder,right?

[stable quarry]

No people have forgotten a % while doing 112% runs so your deffinitly compeeting with times under the 4 hour mark..

[lofty flare]

…

[stable quarry]

,,,

...

[grim iron]

uh...

[stable quarry]

:::

[stable quarry]

;;;

[lofty flare]

'''

“””

[stable quarry]

^^^

[stable quarry]

Anyone know how to dupe grubfather pale ore?

[steady lynx]

Yes

[stable quarry]

I did atchally find it, I assume I can't dpe like a pale ore and a kings idol at the same time?

[steady lynx]

No, if you interact with another interaction at all after doing a dupe you just finish the FSM for the first pickup

[stable quarry]

and you can't dupe charms?

[steady lynx]

Nope, if you have the charm in your inventory the item for that charm just won't spawn

[stable quarry]

I might have tried doing dash first and then doing grubfather bullying but the method I did deletes the file which obiusly takes dash away from me so now I feel stupid..

[steady lynx]

You'd probably just do bullying, get VS and go to city with that

[stable quarry]

doesn't dash save a lot on the way to City?

I think I need dash to do gp loadwarp anyways..

I am trying to route Happy couple AG btw

[steady lynx]

Or you'd do bullying, warp to KP with MMS, unlock stag before Hornet, get dash, warp to save in Dirtmouth and head to city without VS

Actually just bench in Gpath before Hornet on another save so you can warp to that later

[stable quarry]

Ehm a lot of stuff how do I get to city with just dash?

do I atchally shadeskip?

[steady lynx]

Nah

Benchfloat at Salubra

[stable quarry]

oh

[steady lynx]

Just exit her hut, open map, bench and float up

[stable quarry]

I assume I dupe the items on the way to city then kinda

[steady lynx]

Maybe

[stable quarry]

I would have dash which would be help full for duping soo

[steady lynx]

I'd ask Krythom if that even works she knows MMS way better than me

[stable quarry]

huh?

why would it not work?

[steady lynx]

This is Hollow Knight

It could Hollow Knight it's way into this not working

[stable quarry]

I just realized I only need to dupe the pale ore because I just get enough geo from bullying lol

[steady lynx]

Oh right

[stable quarry]

Like I get 6750/7050 and then a seal and an idol on top

[steady lynx]

Even the idol would be plenty

[stable quarry]

no pfloat for lemm though o.o

I could just pick up vs though that looses 20 secounds for AG might be worth

[steady lynx]

Yeah, probably, you'd have to do a tiny bit of the run invisible though

[stable quarry]

Ehm, it looses 20 secounds when waiting for it to not make you invisible..

Also I'd probably do it after bullying so I would just get vs warp to kp or something? I gotta figure out if that works..

Maybe I just get it on one file and then warp it to greenpath once I get there

Python stopped typing

[coral shore]

Yeah cause I was about to say that you dont HAVE to be invis

[steady lynx]

But it's funnier to be invisible

[coral shore]

[stable quarry]

what is the fastest way to dupe a file?

I want 1 file to delete and one to dupe..

I mean they don't need to be identicall so maybe I just bench?

Well that's not good..

[analog pawn]

it's not needed

[stable quarry]

hum, but it deffinitly should save time though considdering I have to go to greenpath anyways and visit city

[lofty flare]

I detect skill issue

[stable quarry]

Shut up

[lofty flare]

@fleet sluice

Explain to me exactly how TASing is “basically cheating”

[fleet sluice]

Honestly I was just capping

Tasing takes a lot of work, and it's really cool seeing it in action

[stable quarry]

Tasing is cool and all but it's not really playing the game

[knotty vigil]

Modding the game is immoral and evil me thinks

(Joking)

[lofty flare]

Yes we are, just at 0.9 fps and with the ability to rewind

[fleet sluice]

Modding is cheating tbh, like debug is too cool

[stable quarry]

ok your playing with op debug

[knotty vigil]

Ok but fr, I can see why some would consider mods to be cheating but calling it morally incorrect is just beyond me

Not saying anyone here does, but some people do

[lofty flare]

#hk-help message

[stable quarry]

hmm

[steady lynx]

TASing isn't cheating, doing glitches on the other hand

[lofty flare]

Ikr

Imagine being Staxis

Knowing every day you’re cheating

[steady lynx]

Staxis is such a cheater, clearly you're not intended to start the game with all equipment

[lofty flare]

And clearly TASers are using unfair external programs

@regal dust Don’t you agree?

[steady lynx]

Don't pull people bickering into this wholesome chat

[lofty flare]

This wholesome channel where we discuss how glitched runners are cheaters

[regal dust]

i was afk

[lofty flare]

And you’re using glitches, Cheater

[steady lynx]

I need to get back to whatever I was doing

[regal dust]

tbh i don't really care about TASing and speedruns

[ionic frost]

Who's the blocked person

[regal dust]

TASing is at least fun to watch tho

[ionic frost]

Oh I see

[regal dust]

im a sppedrun hater

[lofty flare]

…

Why

[regal dust]

still have no idea why it appeals to people that much

everywhere

it's just me tho

[lofty flare]

What? No no no no

[regal dust]

i hate having the time limit

[stable quarry]

We have splits

[lofty flare]

TASing is not fun to watch

[regal dust]

and i always take everything as slow as possible

[lofty flare]

TASes are fun to watch

TASing is not

[regal dust]

im a big dark souls fan and Fromsoftware in general

and speedruns are fun there to everyone

[stuck raptor]

Damn that's crazy

[regal dust]

but not me

[lofty flare]

Happy couple splits

[regal dust]

i prefer challenge runs over sppedruns all day

[steady lynx]

damn that's crazy

[stable quarry]

speedruns are a type of challenge run..

[regal dust]

ikr

but i hate doing something fast

WITH a time limit

[lofty flare]

There’s no time limit for speedruns?

[regal dust]

like oh, i have to do it very fast!!!

just not my thing

i know im in the minority here

[stable quarry]

not a time limit a timer

[regal dust]

beating PB

and WR

[steady lynx]

Honestly fair enough, nothing can appeal to everyone

[regal dust]

i gtg afk

brb and ill continue my point

[lofty flare]

I love how this started as Gusten and I jokingly hating on glitches and TASes, the joke being he’s a glitched runner and I’m a TASer

[stuck raptor]

I also insert myself into places I don't enjoy and tell everyone I don't like it

[lofty flare]

And now it’s why speedruns are bad

[stuck raptor]

Good times

[stuck raptor]

Hahahaha

[steady lynx]

I'm gonna join a breath of the wild discord and talk about how I don't like that game

[lofty flare]

#archived-modding-help message

[regal dust]

same

i found it super boring and repetitive

so, what i wanted to say is: both in challenge runs and speed runs you restart and redo and attempt over and over again, but with speed runs 1 single attempt takes too much time

[lofty flare]

That’s…not true

Some challenge runs can take hours, and a single attempt can lose hours of time

[regal dust]

oh, i meant the other thing

i meant like not a single attempt challenge run

like no hit

but yeah that’s what i dislike too

long attempts

[lofty flare]

I’m so confused

[regal dust]

that’s probably my adhd speaking!

even though i’ve grown out of it, mostly

[regal dust]

i myself prefer boss kills

flawlessly etc

and an attempt is 3 minutes at best if we don’t consider endurance fights

[lofty flare]

Bro does not know Guy has over a thousand hours on anyrad 2.0

[knotty vigil]

Can't believe you don't like it smh my head

[regal dust]

anyrad isn’t fair

[knotty vigil]

anyrad is fair

[regal dust]

smh my head my head

[lofty flare]

Rip in peace

[knotty vigil]

It's as fair as regular absrad

[regal dust]

and absrad also isn't a completely fair bossfight

there are certain situations during the boss fight, where the amount of projectiles and attacks create an undodgeable scenario

and no matter how perfect your inputs are, you still might get hit

take PV or NKG as a better example

of how a good boss fight should be done

[lofty flare]

Incredibly choreographed

[regal dust]

and outside of HK there are lots of examples too

[lofty flare]

Every absrad attack is possible to dodge

[lofty flare]

We’re not talking about outside of hk

[regal dust]

yes, but there are scenarios where the diagonal spikes are still on the screen, fireballs are still on the screen, and she begins to cast lasers or some other shit

[lofty flare]

Because that’s how the boss is designed?

It’s a completely fair fight, it’s not rigged, you just have a skill issue

[regal dust]

i don't think it's a good idea to lock yourself behind one game and not consider other creator's decisions game development wise

especially when we discuss boss fights

[lofty flare]

We are discussing the boss fights in hollow knight

So there is no need

To bring up boss fights of other gwmes

[regal dust]

i disagree, i beat her multiple times on radiant, and i believe her to be an unfair boss fight

[lofty flare]

Also why is this in speedrunning

[regal dust]

even with perfect knowledge of positioning, inputs of dodges and abilities, i consider her unfair

[stuck raptor]

Damn that's crazy

[regal dust]

we're not interfering wuth anyone i think its fine as a short conversation

[regal dust]

it all boils down to getting a lucky attempt

now this is subjective, but i don't consider d dark a dodge option

[lofty flare]

In your own wise words: Cope then.

[regal dust]

i still use it, but i want to believe it's not intended

[lofty flare]

K I gotta go catch my flight

[regal dust]

https://tenor.com/view/twin-towers-south-tower-north-tower-world-trade-center-flashback-gif-23538760

[lofty flare]

sniff Smells like skill issue

With perfect positioning and inputs? You can dodge anything. Ever heard of a TAS?

[regal dust]

ofc if you spam the fuck out of d dark then it's fair

[lofty flare]

Which means the boss isn’t inherently unfair

[regal dust]

but if we consider pogo, shadow dash and double jump only

[lofty flare]

Also I have an absrad TAS I made that doesn’t use ddark once

And the only time it gets hit is intentional for fury

[regal dust]

i didn't say you can't beat her without d dark

that's literally how i fight the boss

[lofty flare]

She’s not unfair, all of her attacks are dodgeable

[regal dust]

the randomness factor still applies

[lofty flare]

Okay? Every boss’ attacks are random

I didn’t even rng manip once in my absrad TAS

[regal dust]

projectiles might spawn in different locations, at different times, and as i said there are undodgeable scenarios(without d dark)

[lofty flare]

There aren’t any in dodgable scenarios if you just time correctly

Also why are we having a restriction of no ddark

Wouldn’t the final boss be designed to necessitate you use every tool at your disposal?

[regal dust]

most of the bosses (lets talk hollow knight only if you so desire) have attacks that require you to do a certain input

[lofty flare]

Because if you don’t use ddark, that’s a massive skill issue

[regal dust]

which creates a situation where you do X thing on the 1 attack of the boss and Y thing on the 2nd

and Z on the 3rd, etc

in absrad it doesn't apply

as well as it doesn't on markoth

what a coincidence huh

one of the most hated bosses in the game both have a random factor to them

[lofty flare]

Okay I’ve gotta go, this argument is dumb

[regal dust]

and that's why i absolutely love souls games bosses

good bosses there have 0 randomness

[lofty flare]

(This isn’t a souls game)

(Also have you ever heard of RNG)

Because RNG is a thing

[regal dust]

so what? im not comparing

[regal dust]

that's literally what i've told just now

good bosses have 0 rng to them

[lofty flare]

Do you…do you know the definition of the word ‘comparing’?

[lofty flare]

So…the attack patterns in souls games are 100% consistent?

They will always do the same pattern of attacks?

[regal dust]

with good bosses yes

that's why they are loved so much

[lofty flare]

Sword swing then shield block then sword swing?

Every attempt?

[regal dust]

if you haven't io highly recommend you try them

[regal dust]

order of the attacks of the boss doesn't matter, every boss does 1 attack at once

most of the bosses*

so you have to do a precise thing for each attack

and you will never get hit

[lofty flare]

If the order is random, then they do have rng

[regal dust]

that's what i love about perfecting your skill in combat

[lofty flare]

That’s uhh…that’s exactly the same in hollow knight

[regal dust]

the best example of it is sekiro!

[regal dust]

yes, with good bosses as i said

like PV and NKG

[lofty flare]

With every boss

There’s smth like that

K I gtg I’m boarding

[regal dust]

k

[arctic orbit]

“good bosses have 0 rng”

[arctic orbit]

“good bosses have rng”

[lofty flare]

Yeah turns out my plane want boarding when I thought

So I just got on

[random pelican]

So i was having fun trying room dupes again. No mods, followed the steps and such to a tea. Somehow messed up here and decided to have some fun walking around whilst recording to see how dumb i could get stuff. In the last video i duped false knight. Not sure how, but i found it funny

[lofty flare]

Just landed

[rapid nest]

with normal movement abilities(no ddark) there are 0 undodgable scenarios in any boss, and the only attacks that could be considered unfair are in mantis lords and markoth

[sacred thunder]

I can think of other ones, but they more so fall on the glitchy side of thing
Like collector instant aspids (fixed in 1.5 sorry gusten) traitor lord walking forward and I think hornet 2 also has a similar bug with a dash being untelegraphed sometime

Though I’m wondering why any of this is taking place in #speedrunning

[rapid nest]

yeah i didnt mention those since they're more just bugs than attacks

[charred elk]

pv and nkg both have rng

all bosses in hollow knight have rng actually, all of them

[sacred thunder]

… i don’t want that discussion to open again…

The point is that absrad can be made much easier with good rng, while that mostly isn’t the case with NKG or pv

[charred elk]

sorry, i guess

[sacred thunder]

So not all bosses are equal in regards to rng

[charred elk]

the guy said that good bosses have NO RNG to them

and then said nkg and pv are good

[rapid nest]

they mean like in terms of overlapping attacks

[sacred thunder]

Rng discussion in this channel though is very appropriate
Introducing uumuu

[charred elk]

oh, fine

[sacred thunder]

Anyway

[lofty flare]

Okay genuine question

If I do a run on phone using Xbox cloud gaming

And screen record it

would it be accepted to HK console runs

Like if I followed all other rules ofc

[lofty flare]

Like, this is a genuine question

“What device do you run on?”

“Phone.”

“…what?”

“You heard me.”

[rapid nest]

what platform would that fall under

[lofty flare]

I’d say console

It’s Xbox files

And it’s voidheart edition

[runic path]

I'm sorry is this mantis lords slander??

[sturdy glade]

it's sometimes with two lords you get fucked over slander

[runic path]

With shadow dash I can say even sisters of battle are consistently beatable, nail only, in radiant

If we are talking playthrough mantis I haven't seen them enough/ haven't really paid attention whether I got hit or not, as long as I didn't die

[rugged meteor]

Hey, this is my first message in this discord, so not sure if this is the right space to ask this, but is there any discovered glitch of instant elevators? Because i was messing around with the lever and suddenly i got tpd all the way up

[steady lynx]

Yes, it's televator and it's banned in NMG even though it shouldn't be

[rugged meteor]

ah ok ok, thank you

[knotty vigil]

Ye but that isnt 111

Its 112

[stable quarry]

They finished the game at 111% are there any other requirements for 111% ?

[knotty vigil]

Not getting 112 on that file

[meager helm]

Hi, I play on switch and I’m not the greatest at video games (or hollow knight) I currently have 109% completion and I wanna start speed running for the first time, I’m gonna try hollow knight. How do I set up all the ‘splits’ and timers, video and audio and all of that. I’m kind of a newbie with this stuff lol, thanks!

[knotty vigil]

How long did it take you

[stable quarry]

Well offcourse they didn't get 112 on that file once you finish and you see 111% it's a reset lol

[stable quarry]

I reccomend using obs for recording if your on pc. For splits you want to install livesplit and you can find pre made splits on hksplitmaker.

Also potensially down patch to 1221 if you want to run nmg instead of 1432+ nmg there are guides for that on speedrun.com and also some video guides

Last but not least join the pinned server to have accses to a lot of resourses and knowledgeable people to ask.

[knotty vigil]

No

[stable quarry]

No what?

[knotty vigil]

People who run 112 dont stop at 111

[rapid nest]

they do if they forget dreamshield

[knotty vigil]

Why would they forget t

[stable quarry]

Generally no, but if you run 112% and you forgot to buy compass or something and you see 111% at the end then they don't go back and find out what they missed they reset and start another run..

[rapid nest]

true just remember smh

[stable quarry]

Because they are human

[knotty vigil]

If they forget something it is ussualy more things not just ine

Im have the record st

[rapid nest]

i mean its usually dreamshield compass or godtuner

[knotty vigil]

Fake

[stable quarry]

Probably not even the fastest 111% run

[knotty vigil]

But i got it in 52 hours

It was my first playthrough

[stable quarry]

Then it's not a speedrun

Fast for a first playtrough though

[knotty vigil]

I spent most of my time practicing zote

Should have let him die

[vagrant warren]

console will be timed RTA, so you won't have loadless times like PC players, but boards are separate so the playing field is even.

[knotty vigil]

On my first attempt on pantheon 4 i got to pure vessel

[stone mulch]

They said they’re on switch in the messages… first sentence

[knotty vigil]

Now im doing al the bindings on p1 and 2 only one left rn is shell pantheon2

[spring copper]

first tried every boss and still didnt pb??? wtf happened

actually makes sense a LITTLE bit since i got super lost in forgotten crossroads (because i forgot what i did instead of going through the false knight room to reach the crystal peak entrance and had to take a short detour for enough geo to get the distant village stag

idk what else i mightve lost time on

[stable quarry]

oh

[stable quarry]

if you play on switch then you eiter need a way to record the game like a capcure card or just setting up a camera to record the screen. for splits you can still use livesplit but you need to split manually and have a pc to run it on.

[knotty vigil]

Congrats

[lofty flare]

And it’s also not really worth it, as it will still run through load times

No more then starting a stopwatch on a phone

(for livesplit)

[stable quarry]

Livesplit is usually just to know how well your doing. Hk is one of few where it also saves time

[deep tusk]

does somebody know if the invincibility glitch in the void heart edition still works?

[steady lynx]

Dgate invuln?

[deep tusk]

I gues

[steady lynx]

Yeah it still works, but the objectively worse way to get it was patched

[analog pawn]

one day we will understand why every youtuber decided to teach the worse way to do it

[deep tusk]

What is the best way?

[steady lynx]

Easiest way is

1. Get inventory storage
2. Start dgating
3. Close inventory
4. Wait for the dgating glowy nail thing disappears
5. Dash

Closing inventory has to be before the dgate is like 70% done

[analog pawn]

inventory storage is achieved by pressing quickmap inventory and quickmap again in quick succession

[steady lynx]

Inventory storage by Inventory dropping into water was patched right

[analog pawn]

I think so, not sure

[steady lynx]

I don't really play 1.5 a lot due to a lot of things

Mainly the fact that I enjoy landing on platforms not being RNG

[stable quarry]

Mainly 1.5 being bad unless your fighting collector

[steady lynx]

Dashmaster was also made worse

[stable quarry]

Yeah imagine accsidentally forward dashing smh

[steady lynx]

That is a very fun way to softlock

[rapid nest]

yes

[stable quarry]

I am tempted to get 1.3 now because I have 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.4 and 1.5

[steady lynx]

It's optimal for TE NMMS and any% NMMS

[stable quarry]

But I don't run those

[steady lynx]

1424 is a scam made up by Staxis to trick people into doing colo 3

[steady lynx]

Yet

[lofty flare]

Voidheart edition is 1432

1433 on some devices

[steady lynx]

I don't play 1.4 either

[hot quail]

im gonna get the achievements

[stable quarry]

AA speedrun? o.o

[hot quail]

yeah

is false knight and gruz mother in 13 mins good

[stable quarry]

I would say no..

[hot quail]

😭

im just gonna do false knight

[stable quarry]

Like we get vs at like 3:30 so usign about 10 minnutes on gruzmother sounds not good

[hot quail]

i domt think gruz is necessary rn

[hot quail]

no i got both iin 10 mmins

[stable quarry]

you said 13..

[hot quail]

rounding it up

[stable quarry]

why do you round from 10 to 13?

[hot quail]

because 15 is more

[stable quarry]

huh?

you go from 10 to 13 because 15 is more?

[hot quail]

i rounded 13 to 10

not 10 to 13

[stable quarry]

oh

[hot quail]

🐌

[stable quarry]

Well if I did gruz mother and falseknight I would go bench at crossroads stag, fight gruzmother Save and quit back and fight falseknight

[hot quail]

i mean, is gruz mother really necessary tho

[stable quarry]

for?

[hot quail]

like

is it worth the time?

i just saw how stupid that sounds

"the time"lmao takes no less than 30 seconds to beat her

[stable quarry]

You mean for aa?

[stable quarry]

If your doing a long run then it's deffinitly faster to do it later

[lofty flare]

I NEED ANSWERS

[stable quarry]

Ask in #src discussion

[lofty flare]

Can’t

[stable quarry]

Why not?

[lofty flare]

I don’t have a submitted run, so no Hk runner role

[stable quarry]

Oh..

Do a run then

[lofty flare]

I don’t really run any% too much anymore

Maybe I’ll take up glitched

[rapid nest]

🤢 speedr*nning

[lofty flare]

It’s Tuesday, I next have access to my pc Friday

[lofty flare]

And I never got anything good enough to submit

Mostly bc it’s rly hard to finish runs

[stable quarry]

No it's not it's just hard to finish good runs

[lofty flare]

Shut up

I get like, uumuu 10 cycles, and then my game decides to crash

Fun.

[stable quarry]

A crash does not make a run unverifiable smh

[stable quarry]

How do you survive for that long o.o I usually die at 5th cycle..

[lofty flare]

Lmao

I either die

Or lose 2 minutes

The uumuu conundrum

[stable quarry]

Not sure why your running any% but sure..

[vagrant warren]

Maybe you're putting too much pressure on yourself. You don't need a "good" run to submit (hack, half of PBs i see, people dont think are good for one reason or another), you just need a completed run. If you're not satisfied with it that's just more motivation to improve.

[stable quarry]

Collette writing a paragraph?

[lofty flare]

Maybe

[stable quarry]

Yeah my most resent run is horrible.. and it's wr so you know..

That is just what happens if you run an empty category though

[stable quarry]

Nix why no meme runs?

[lofty flare]

Eventually

[stable quarry]

Like grubsong is fun

Assuming you don't go for a top time then it's rng and stupid

But I feel like that is quite common for this game lol

[knotty vigil]

Should i learn dark rooms or just get money for lantern

[lofty flare]

That depends on the category

[knotty vigil]

Any% NMG

[lofty flare]

Don’t run that

But yes any% NMG route gets lantern

To get into peaks

And later for deepnest

[knotty vigil]

Why

[knotty vigil]

Isnt it faster to just know the rooms

[lofty flare]

You…literally can’t buy peaks toll

If you don’t have lantern

[knotty vigil]

Oh

[steady lynx]

Categories like All Skills NMG that get to cpeak from the dive entrance don't get lantern at all and just has the runner memorise the movement through some dark rooms

[lofty flare]

Only one wall cling storage

Hop on any% RMG imo

[knotty vigil]

Whats rmg

[lofty flare]

Same as NMG but with unrestricted wall cling storage

[knotty vigil]

Whats the shortcut for

[lofty flare]

What?

[knotty vigil]

Rmg

@lofty flare

[lofty flare]

Wdym what’s the shortcut for

[knotty vigil]

What is rmg

[lofty flare]

@knotty vigil

[knotty vigil]

What is R for what is M for and what is G for

[rapid nest]

restricted major glitches

[grizzled vault]

Hi, I just joined the Discord Server and have begun speedrunning Hollow Knight. Do you have any tips to help make fireball skips easier and more consistent?

[stuck raptor]

Use quick cast. Practice. And join the speedrun server in pins

[grizzled vault]

Where is pins?

[stuck raptor]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879286406726451210/880046151410282506/hk_pins.png

[grizzled vault]

Does quick cast fire then more quickly than regular cast?

also, ty

[mossy brook]

?tag quickcast

[river axle]

Focus Cast vs Quick Cast (By default, A is the Focus button, F is the Quick Cast button. However, this video has it set so that F is Focus and V is Quick Cast)
Video Comparison:
|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985794659894829117/1117638180770938930/2023-06-11_20-11-04.mp4 ||

[stuck raptor]

Quickcast fires on button press. Focus cast fires on button release

So it's far more reliable to use quick cast for spells

[lofty flare]

@steady lynx I did some more testing with tilt storage wcs

Many right corners (and even some left) give it for free by just walking into them

and wallsliding off of any right wall (so far, every one i've tested) gives it

[steady lynx]

And people told me getting tilted would never be useful

[knotty vigil]

I dont have that icon

I only have a button to invite other people in this server

[stable quarry]

It's not though

[lofty flare]

It’s not?

1432?

[stable quarry]

It's on 1424 cp is 1432+

Or 1315 but..

[lofty flare]

Any reason for that specific patch?

[stable quarry]

Ehm I don't know that run so not sure.. other than mantis claw early controll which saves 4 secounds

It's most likely doable on 1432 not so sure about 1.5

I run 1028 and 1114 for glitched so idk

[lofty flare]

So I’d have to route something custom for 1221 if I ever wanted to TAS it

[stable quarry]

I mean 1221 doesn't even have lp roomdupes soo. But wheren't potensially 1315 good for tas?

[lofty flare]

Potentially

I haven’t done enough testing on it

Also there’s no TAS tool for it yet afaik

[stable quarry]

Doesn't Pika have something?

[sturdy glade]

They added an invisible wall for the youth in 1432

[stable quarry]

What are you talking about?

Oh

[stable quarry]

I ment the run not mantis claw early controll

[steady lynx]

The run can be done on 1432, only difference would just be not doing claw early control

[stable quarry]

Can it be done on 1.5 too?

Not that it should..

[steady lynx]

It can but you'd lose Rosie jumps and easy Bench storage

[stable quarry]

Loosing rosie jumps sound like it would help my sanity a lot lol

[rapid nest]

tbh just chain airwalk jumps from the kp entrance

[steady lynx]

Isn't there a seam at elderbug

[coral shore]

Yes it can be done on 1.5 there are just quite a few timeloss points
Like Rosie jumps, benchstorage in dm, big elevator slowdown, no full hp fury, i believe thats it?

[rapid nest]

there is but i dont think you can get airwalk off of it

[steady lynx]

Yeah you can't

[coral shore]

maybe its not a seam? like thats one of the rare cases where two blocks are actually alligned properly?

[steady lynx]

That'd make sense

[rapid nest]

so is the reason seams exist at all just because team cherry is bad at lining up the platforms lol

[coral shore]

I would imagine thats the case? not a game developer but like, why would something be a seam if its just two building things put together at the perfectly same height

[stable quarry]

🍝

[steady lynx]

Maybe easier with an area like Dirtmouth that largely is as flat as the netherlands

As compared to, city

[stable quarry]

Isn't sweeden also superflat

[coral shore]

not that I believe in possibility of there not being a tool that would perfectly allign things in Unity (which creates a question of why wouldn't TC use that)

[lofty flare]

@stable quarry

So it exists, but Peeka hasn’t finished both the syncing and tool

[stable quarry]

oh

[steady lynx]

Peeka does so much for us these days

[arctic orbit]

YOOOOO 1315 REVOLUTION INCOMING

[stable quarry]

??

[steady lynx]

It's already here

[lofty flare]

THE REVOLUTION!

[stable quarry]

fake

[steady lynx]

If it's fake then explain me getting any% rekky on 1.3

[stable quarry]

wdym any% rekky is on 1575

[steady lynx]

Feck

Staxis cheated though, he used glitches

[stable quarry]

Ok, in that case it's on 1221

[steady lynx]

Nah, that rekky used Wallcling storage

[stable quarry]

then it's on 1432

[lofty flare]

[steady lynx]

At the very least we can all agree that low% NMMS is optimal on 1575

Not like its possible on a lot of other patches

[lofty flare]

Too late I’m gonna reroute it for 1007 gn

[stable quarry]

is it not possible on all the 1.5 patches o.o

[coral shore]

I'm surprised you didn't run low% on 1568

[steady lynx]

Not 1578 or 1580

Honestly python, 1575 was the first one I managed to get the correct command prompt to download and I wasn't gonna download more 1.5 patches than I needed

First I downloaded 1577 by accident but that's not even a legal patch for runs

[lofty flare]

The depots pastebin doesn’t have 1.5 patches

[lofty flare]

Why’s it banned?

[coral shore]

Beta

[steady lynx]

It's not a full release

[lofty flare]

Oh

[stable quarry]

that still leaves 1574, 73, 72, 70, 69 and 68 though

[steady lynx]

Team Cherry and steam were just nice enough to leave all the releases up if you know how to get them

[steady lynx]

72 and 68 are the only full releases of those

[lofty flare]

Doesn’t steamdb have the manifest ids for the 1.5 patches?

[steady lynx]

Steamdb has them all

[stable quarry]

but it doesn't say (beta) in the sheet on the others o.o

[steady lynx]

Then the sheet is wrong

[stable quarry]

fix the sheet imo

[steady lynx]

Iirc Adam never bothered to add the 1.5 patches properly

[stable quarry]

Adam?

[analog pawn]

chocciadam

[steady lynx]

ChocciAdam

Used to run TE NMG a lot and made the sheet

[stable quarry]

huh

[steady lynx]

Actually makes sense he didn't care a lot about 1.5 then, he was a 1221 runner

Based

[weary root]

That uses slopeball

[lofty flare]

Then it’s a random, 100th place console run

I actually do wonder what the true glitchless any% wr is

there was a category for it at some point afaik

[weary root]

I don't think there are even 100 people who have submitted a console run

[analog pawn]

I don't think we have ever had a "true" glitchless category

[coral shore]

We did

We had glitchless that then became nmg

Cause glitchless sucks

[rapid nest]

glitchless my beloved

wouldnt glitchless just be any% but without wcs lol

[weary root]

landn't is a glitch

[analog pawn]

time to do a true glitchless run, if I see a glitch I reset

[coral shore]

Fireball doubles is a glitch tbh

[analog pawn]

resetting to getting a weird bounce on watchers

[weary root]

Time to get the funny bounce in thk

[rapid nest]

hmm is rng softfall a glitch

[lofty flare]

No

It’s goofy rng engine

I don’t think I’m even able to manip it, I’ve never tested

[coral shore]

why are we even defining glitches

[analog pawn]

we aren't I'm just poking fun

[weary root]

Because we're making a glitchless category ofc

[lofty flare]

Resetting to walking into a corner and getting wcs on accident during thk fight

[coral shore]

Inventory drops aren't glitches as long as you do them with lp timing tbh

[lofty flare]

Nmg obviously sucks, why is this allowed

[weary root]

Because haha funny knight go brrrr

[rapid nest]

topological noclip when

[lofty flare]

Topological boob when

[rapid nest]

im pretty sure thats just impossible

[steady lynx]

Bench out of bounds is the ||2nd|| best glitch for many reasons

[plain glade]

yay i just did my first spike tunnel skip

AND I DID AN ACID SKIP

IM THE GOAT

IM THE FUCKING GOAT

[lofty flare]

And reason 1 is that wcs is simply better

[steady lynx]

No

Thorn warp

[lofty flare]

Brrrrr

[lofty flare]

Oh yeah that

[clever stratus]

Ascend% defeat ascended Gorb as fast as possible

[stable quarry]

what would just be Radiant% but you kill gorb and do gorb Ascended instead of doing any boss radiant o.O

[clever stratus]

I don’t know

[stable quarry]

Radiant% is just kill any boss radiant in godhome

[clever stratus]

Oh

So yeah I guess

[stable quarry]

It's not a "real" category though

[clever stratus]

Yeah

[stable quarry]

Like Radiant% is not even on the meme sheet

We have like the main src board and the misc src board and then we have the meme sheet and then there are categories that are not even on that sheet

[stable quarry]

If your interested even low% TE is on here lol https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSHyJ2ZdtTPvoudRJ_VAW_an61MumAHdsQOm4Z9wvn_ou73rxX9w9ydb_lDuyOTCnXvmb68HlMrjPYa/pubhtml

[mossy sapphire]

I'll start to do speedruns, but My Pc is lagging on 1.2.2.1 version, there's any way to "fix" that?

[knotty vigil]

ih ala , me cheira a br

[mossy sapphire]

Sadly we can't talk in portuguese here

[knotty vigil]

oh i understand

[stuck raptor]

1221 is a very poorly optimized patch. If your PC isn't strong enough to run it, you can always run on the latest patches. There's a separate category for newer patches

Otherwise, normal optimization techniques apply. Lower resolution, play in windowed mode, make sure nothing else is running, etc.

[heady cairn]

is there a way to do speedruns with the "Hollow Knight One Piece Edition"?

[heady cairn]

?

[vagrant warren]

What even is "one piece edition"?

Oh wait I get it

Piracy isn't condoned here.

[vapid merlin]

How do speedrun hk on switch

[vagrant warren]

Go fast, record your run, submit... there are separate console boards since the time is rta rather than loadless

[heady cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-gif-24198717

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[arctic orbit]

lmao “One Piece edition” is the funniest shit i’ve seen in this channel since the any% ag copypasta

[queen vessel]

is there a good link for how to live split ? for autosplitter ? i struggl;e ot activate the auto one

[whole jackal]

О нет это чай, он дейтсительтно горячий?

[lofty flare]

English only server

[grim iron]

Nix

[lofty flare]

Gwnj

Dude

[whole jackal]

Do you understand now?

[lofty flare]

I only speak english, so no.

[whole jackal]

About a lesbian girl? I am also a Lisbian, because I love girls

[lofty flare]

I dont think you understand what lesbian means

also thats weird thing to say on the hollow knight discord

also also why is it in speedrunning

[whole jackal]

If I love girls, then I am a Lesbian, what is not clear?

[lofty flare]

I don't feel comfortable continuing this convo

[grim iron]

#hk-general message

I am not lesbian byw

Just a reminder

[lofty flare]

bisexualwithnojob imo

[grim iron]

:0

[whole jackal]

My doctor, all men are lesbians, and the girls are gay. In scientific terms

[grim iron]

Uh what...

[lofty flare]

HUH?

[grim iron]

The fuck...

[lofty flare]

This person doesnt know what either of those words mean

[lofty flare]

Do we ping mods?

[whole jackal]

Are you a man?

[grim iron]

Uh...

[lofty flare]

Yeah?

[whole jackal]

Do you like girls "As a love goal"?

[lofty flare]

<@&283547423706447872>

Fuck this shit

[grim iron]

😭

[whole jackal]

If all the points to which I asked you a question, you answered yes, then you are a Lesbian

[lofty flare]

I dont think you know what lesbian means...

[whole jackal]

and why don't foreigners understand jokes?

[grim iron]

...

[lofty flare]

Show this conversation to literally anyone and they'll have my same reaction

also did you just call me a "foreigner" on an internationally used site?

[whole jackal]

If I showed this rod to a Russian, he would immediately understand

[lofty flare]

Im not a russian

most people here are not russian

I don't give a shit if a russian would understand or not tbh

the point is that this "joke" is weird

Im out

[grim iron]

Nix :(

I hope you recover..

[whole jackal]

For me, a foreigner, for you, I am also a foreigner

[lofty flare]

I hope so

[grim iron]

Wan I see you

[wraith trellis]

No way

[whole jackal]

Why are they always offended? If the terms don't come together, it doesn't mean that I was rude

[wraith trellis]

When your joke leads to a mod ping maybe you should consider that it might not have been appropriate

[whole jackal]

In different places in different ways

[wraith trellis]

Anyways since I've been noticed, hi gwnj and nix

[grim iron]

Hihi

[whole jackal]

Do I need to look at you to continue the conversation with you?

[lofty flare]

Hi wangha

[lofty flare]

No one is forcing you to do jack shit

[whole jackal]

And no one forces you to swear every phrase

[lofty flare]

And yet I do =D

because no one is forcing me not to

[wraith trellis]

I was not trying to continue this conversation, but I'm waiting to see if we will end up getting a reaction from a mod at some point

[lofty flare]

Same

[grim iron]

Yep..

[lofty flare]

But with only 3 online

unlikely

[whole jackal]

Therefore, no one makes jokes

[lofty flare]

No one is forcing you to make jokes or not to

that wasnt a joke.

[whole jackal]

Because I like to joke

And you, I guess you like "Shit"

[grim iron]

No...

[spring prawn]

Nyoom

[wispy swallow]

gn c,ovloer

[umbral igloo]

Man

[grim iron]

...

Uh did you read the entire thing?

[whole jackal]

I guess he also didn't understand anything, but the discussion of my stupid joke shouldn't drag on or alarm someone

[cinder coral]

woman

[umbral igloo]

I did read it

right so don't say weird shit like that

joking or not it's weird

[desert yarrow]

I'm speedrunning trial 3 and i cant get past the frogs with a good time. Any tips?

[stuck raptor]

Watch a high level run. Do what they do

[desert yarrow]

That's what I've been doing

But the frogs have different movement patterns

which means rng is involved

[lofty flare]

rng is involved in almost any speedrun/challenge

[stuck raptor]

So take their general strategies and adapt them to your rng

[desert yarrow]

ye but

nvm

[arctic crater]

Ayoo

The true ending

Wh

Why

[lofty flare]

English only please

[stable quarry]

Join the pinned server and ask in il-combat. Most runners are not active in this channel

[dusky palm]

I'm thinking of getting into speedrunning this game. Any tips to start?

[vagrant warren]

don't stress too much about doing everything perfect or optimally to start, pick a category that's fun for you, join the server in pins

[dusky palm]

✨Thanks you kindly for the advice!

[dusky palm]

What is Zote%?

[steady lynx]

Defeat Zote in Colo 1

[dusky palm]

Okay

Thanks, might run that

[median beacon]

Sub 2 minute

Easy

[brittle perch]

i finally did blue lake shade skip :)

[arctic orbit]

the pro tip to doing frogs is not to do them

seriously tho

frogs are mmm

like extremely mmm

every hollow knight runner has in some way shape or form unbeknownst to themselves signed a contract to lose at least one run to frogs

which is what splits us into 2 groups

people who immediately try to lose a run so that they can be rid of the contract for the rest of their lives (TE runners, 1xx runners and AA runners (that last one being aka Gusten)) and people who simply never run cats with frogs so that they never have to experience the downsides of the contract (literally everyone else)

[dusky palm]

Lesgoo city in 1:24!

[neat thunder]

i got any% nmg 58M RTA current patch on my trash computer

[granite oak]

how do you downpatch on xbox app for pc

[stable quarry]

You buy the game on steam.. Xbox app is locked to 1580 iirc

[granite oak]

thats stupid

[stuck raptor]

Complain to Microsoft I guess

[formal bough]

if we could make every game store have every patch we absolutely would

[granite oak]

I JUST GOT IT ON A DIFFERENT STORE BUIT IM AHVING TROUBLE WITH GREENPATH SHADE SKIP

oops caps lock

not shade skip

fireball skip

[vagrant warren]

join the server in pins, see the resources channel for examples/tutorials

[steady lynx]

That's one of my favourite clips

[arctic orbit]

real

thats an incredibly fun strat

[near nova]

almost 100% safe

[arctic orbit]

but still my point still stands

eventually the 0.00000000000000000001% chance will get to you

[near nova]

eventually

not me

gl bringing me into colo or full game speedrunning seriously

im completely safe 😎

[steady lynx]

You can semi buffer nail, if you mess it up it's just skill issue

[near nova]

I did mess it up in a 112 apb run i tried to finish 😎

[true palm]

also it just loses a ton of time

i think i lose about 5 seconds on average if i dont kill frogs

[coral shore]

I believe this strat was initially found on context of hitless 112

[true palm]

ah ic

[median beacon]

Easy sub 20 second run!!!

Erm actually

[steady lynx]

Damn, that's crazy

[median beacon]

I know

[steady lynx]

I remember when trolls used to be creative, why is it all just this now

[lofty flare]

Wait. Trolls used to be creative?

[lofty flare]

The fact that people say glitches are cheating is made even more hilarious by the fact that any% nmg literally does this

[hearty cairn]

When Fireborn did the FIreball pogo, was this glitch known? https://youtu.be/b9Jfi0tNUBY?si=2FWAAt80q3PIxt4F

[stuck raptor]

That looks like storage, which is not allowed in the nmg ruleset

[hearty cairn]

is there a Any% nmg?

[stuck raptor]

What

[hearty cairn]

would it be alowed in Any%

[stuck raptor]

Yes

But not any% nmg

[hearty cairn]

got it

thx

[hearty cairn]

Does Ancestral Mound skip count as a Major Glitch?

[steady lynx]

Of course

[stuck raptor]

basically everything is

NMG is basically "glitchless" with only a handful of exceptions

[steady lynx]

If it's fun it's probably banned

[hearty cairn]

but they allow wall cling storage? when its a long room?

[stuck raptor]

not fully

[steady lynx]

Topologically

[stuck raptor]

you cannot use wcs to get places you can't currently get to

[steady lynx]

A funny one is Seer skip, if that was found today it'd be major

[hearty cairn]

makes me wonder what other types of glitches that have been buried from nmg

[stuck raptor]

all of them

there's many glitches in the game

[hearty cairn]

cause i never knew about room duping

[stuck raptor]

the point of nmg is not using glitches

[hearty cairn]

is there a megathread for all glitches?

[stuck raptor]

in the speedrun discord, ye

[steady lynx]

They don't want you to know about thorn warp though, for good reason, that glitch is too powerful for mortals

[stuck raptor]

lol

[hearty cairn]

is thorn warp patched in the most recent version

[stuck raptor]

thorn warp was patched like 5 years ago

[hearty cairn]

lol

could i get the invite to the speedrunning discord, or is it public

[stuck raptor]

they got rid of it after 1.0.0.6

[steady lynx]

It's like the most useless glitch for actual runs since no category uses the patch where it works

[stuck raptor]

speedrun discord link is in pins

[steady lynx]

📌

[hearty cairn]

thank you, i should have checked pins

[lofty flare]

Hehe this is topologically legal

[steady lynx]

NMMS best ruleset, no need to worry about topology, just do whatever as long as you don't store the main menu

[lofty flare]

So true bestie

[hearty cairn]

https://youtu.be/O2gIV2ANuIU?si=oEwvcwDR66mYCtw2 this is so handy for casual playthroughs

[analog pawn]

slowfall to fog canyon!

that is used in dupeless any% NMMS on 1028

or technically another slowfall is more optimal but that's the safe strat

[hearty cairn]

happy i figured it out myself on accident 😁

[sacred thunder]

I was gonna say how, then I though it was ok, but I do not understand how
But now I think I do, you damage tank back up right ?

That probably means that this skip would be legal if you are on 2hp or less when arriving at that section

[stuck raptor]

you get crystal heart right after

all that fancy movement hardly saves time. but since you can traverse that area normally just above, it's legal

[sacred thunder]

No that isn’t topology

To be topologically legal you need to be able to do the same mouvement in regards to platforms without wcs
If you can’t go below those platforms without wcs then it isn’t legal
(If it was then you would simply wcs to c-heart straight down the path you take to get back)

Or at least that it my understanding

[stuck raptor]

that is not what that means

the point is "can I get from A to B without using wcs", which you can in this area

wcs is not allowable to traverse the huge gap below where you normally cdash across

because you cannot normally traverse that gap

[sacred thunder]

Nah nah nah

[stuck raptor]

once you have cdash, then you could use wcs in that area

since you can traverse that gap normally now

[sacred thunder]

Let me find a post about it somewhere

[stuck raptor]

another example is the salubra shade skip

you cannot use wcs there until your shade exists. because once your shade is in the area, now you can get up there to blue lake without wcs movement

which then makes wcs legal

[sacred thunder]

That is the room state part of the wcs rule

Nothing to do with topology

[stuck raptor]

the topology part is the cdash room example

[sacred thunder]

Nah

[stuck raptor]

where you cannot take the bottom path with wcs

[sacred thunder]

That is player state

[stuck raptor]

but you can take the top path

[sacred thunder]

The state of the player change thus the path is available or not

[stuck raptor]

because you cannot traverse the bottom part of the room without cdash, making that area unavailable for wcs before you have cdash

[sacred thunder]

Wallcling Storage Ruling Update Poll Results
Based on the results from the vote, the src moderation team has come to the decision that the new wording for the rules regarding wallcling storage will follow that of Proposal 1. The new wording reads as follows:
Wallcling storage is allowed, so long as glitchless movement through the same space with current items and room state is available to the player.

• Current items and room state: The player must have the proper equipment to access the destination without glitches.
  • If the glitchless access requires permanent changes: these must be made prior to using wallcling storage. An example would be if the glitchless access requires breaking a breakable floor.
  • If the glitchless access requires enemies or objects to be in a certain state: they must be in that state or be able to be put in that state without reentering the room.
• Same space: is defined topologically, meaning that two paths are in the same space if one can be dragged to the other in space without passing through any platforms or barriers.

As for the exact result of the poll:
we had 67 votes cast, and, upon removing several votes with no corresponding reactions, there were 55 votes counted. The final result was 39 - 13 - 3 in favor of proposal 1. We hope that this ruling strikes a balance that caters to as many respondents as possible, while leading to a robust and usable ruleset.

The part about same space

[lofty flare]

rule for wcs underplats is that you have to be able to do the same underplats without wcs with your current items

That’s why this isn’t legal

[lofty flare]

https://youtu.be/gNGJY8D9FPM

[lofty flare]

I dont think that’s how wcs ruling works

[sacred thunder]

Player status doesn’t include health but only equipment ?

That is really an edge case for certain

[lofty flare]

It’s whether you could do it or not

So if you have atleast amount of hp required at minimum

Then you could get there without wcs

The rule isn’t “you’re in the exact same state as you would be if you did it without wcs”

It’s “is it possible without wcs in your current state”

[torn glacier]

ik it's not great but new personal best! This is on current patch btw

dont even ask what happened during thk

[stable quarry]

Timesave for next run

[sacred thunder]

My current pb could have been a low 50 and ended up being a high 50 because of thk

Just downpatch

[supple lagoon]

Meow

[native pasture]

Guys, what's the meaning of "TE" in HK speedrunning?

[acoustic gale]

true ending

[native pasture]

Thanks.

[arctic crater]

Bro, chandelier and watcher knights time:()

You killed them 13 minutes?

[torn glacier]

They buffed him?? Damn, how easy was he before lol

[torn glacier]

That good or bad? I genuinely have no idea

[errant sleet]

heyy i could use someone to get me into speedrunning i already downpatched but dont really get the rest

[stuck raptor]

What does "the rest" mean

[errant sleet]

the timer and the tracking of items letting it stop when in loading screens

[stuck raptor]

And you'd be better off asking in the speedrun discord

[errant sleet]

i didint even know there was one

[stuck raptor]

?tag pins

[river axle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879286406726451210/880046151410282506/hk_pins.png

[errant sleet]

thax

[solar stag]

Dude I'm so bad at fireball skips

Any tips?

I'm trying to get maximum height

[sturdy glade]

Couple things

[solar stag]

But I feel I'm moving to the right too much when I change direction to quick cast

[sturdy glade]

Jump way closer to the sdge

[solar stag]

Kay

[sturdy glade]

You optimally want a coyote

And I think for this one you turnaround after your peak

A tiny bit after

[solar stag]

Why would I want a canine?

[proper cradle]

You can bait the enemy on the bottom if you don't care too much about time. It's a lot easier to pull off

I did it yesterday

[sturdy glade]

Squirt only loses like 8s

Squit

[solar stag]

Yeah I could do vengefly skip but Im trying to practice fireball skips

[proper cradle]

But if you are going for WR deff not

[sturdy glade]

You want a coyote jump

[solar stag]

for randomiser runs

[proper cradle]

Makes sense. I need to get better at that too

Just wanted to share my first time ever speedrun in any game. Got the 5 hours speedrun achivement and 10 hour on the same run!
https://www.twitch.tv/caribbeanwarrior/clip/PiercingThoughtfulSageOptimizePrime-CV5QgafuDn3ypr6t

Speedrunning is fun! I might do other games in the future

[torn glacier]

The ‘squip’, as I call it, is really easy and not that much slower if you really struggle with the fireball skip. But if you rly want to get the fireball skip, don’t forget to jump right at the edge and fireball at the apex of your jump.

Question: can you submit a speedrun to speedrun.com using the moresaves mod?

[rapid nest]

no mods are allowed, you cant even have the modding api installed

[hearty cairn]

https://youtu.be/DFTKRDi502s?si=mKEHYcZPSMAPYYWc figured it out now

[arctic creek]

I feel like the any% route could probably be done within 5 hours for me but id have to practice the bosses

[vagrant warren]

If you're just going for the 5 hour cheevo there's a guide in pins. No need to be as underpowered as any%

[arctic orbit]

don’t worry it doesn’t take too long to get it down to like an hour

in my experience following the route is reeeeally helpful for speed (duh), and as long as you get some extra health then you’re basically golden

like my first recorded run got fragile heart

and the two runs before it also got a mask

i’d suggest to follow the route, because you only have to fight like 3 real bosses and you have plenty of opportunities to get more health, more nail damage, more spell damage (shade soul), etc etc

there also spore shroom which makes thk actually free

but the glitch making it overpowered is only on 1432

most important thing is knowing when to heal during wk, at least loosely following the route, and feeling free to get as much stuff as you want that isn’t too far out of your way

[sacred thunder]

Not even sure that loosely following the route is important, getting dive and ddark sounds like a huge help
But this is a #hk-help convo anyway

[stable quarry]

To me it looks like your turnaround is slow and that you fireball before reaching max jump height.

You should do a max jump and then turn around and fireball. Preferably the fireball will come right after the turnaround.

[pulsar wing]

you'll definitely be able to get it down in 2 hours, and could probably get it to one

if you do the 5h speedrun guide route that takes 2 hours if you don't die, and probably even if you do

[lofty flare]

Wait you just leave after sitting on the bench for the second time?

I always save quit

[coral shore]

Leaving works, it just doesn't reset your qms which is why we S&Q in runs that get vs usually

[hearty cairn]

i think with QOL you can just leave the room

[thorn sundial]

I cry

[past canopy]

[errant sleet]

my timer doesnt even start

[vagrant warren]

Join the server in pins & see the livesplit troubleshooting checklist in the tech support channel

[errant sleet]

im in there

[vagrant warren]

Wwll them you can skip the first step 🙂

[stable quarry]

Don't worry next time you loose 3 minnutes in a run you will still pb

[icy falcon]

so i want to run low %te (i know stupid idea) but I've been wondering are there any know glitches that involve the essence count

[icy falcon]

or the essence drop odds in general

[analog pawn]

no, we don't know any glitches involving it

for a theoretical route for glitched categories we would dupe a room with a whispering root enough times for it to give all the essence but that is very much not NMG

[icy falcon]

oke so i do have an idea but i don't know how to check

when you use dream gate you lose an essence but the next essence drop is 1/100, do we know if that's linked to save?

[analog pawn]

yeah it is

[icy falcon]

oke

do you know exectly how it's linked cause i can't find any reffrences of essence inside of my 112% save file (not even a count documenting my total essence)

[true palm]

theyre called ghost orbs not essence iirc

[icy falcon]

oke thx

[true palm]

this is the essence check code on killing an enemy

dream orbs spent refers to the deficit not the total spent

the only way you could increase ur odds consistently is to get multiple kill events which is a major glitch