speedrunning

[rapid nest]

farthest left room in fog canyon

[sweet mural]

aight

thanks!

for reference in waterways

to get over this you would need 2 of those fluke heads?

[vagrant warren]

aren't there 2 right there?

[rapid nest]

you can do it with 1, or a hwurmp

[sweet mural]

🤔

OH

a hwurmp lmao

yeah there's 2 right there

when I tried it I killed the first without thinking

[rapid nest]

i always used a hwurmp since its a lot easier to control than the flukes

[sweet mural]

hwurmps definitely make it doable tho

😩 shade skip is necessary to get out of king's station over here right?

on current patch*

[rapid nest]

no you can lure one of the jumping guys from the top platforms down to the side and pogo off of them

[sweet mural]

thanks I hate my life

[sweet mural]

hwurmps it is

[arctic orbit]

depends

low% ain’t too bad

spelless is mmm tho

[coral shore]

Skipping BOTH

as in, no vs or dash
Which is annoying

[arctic orbit]

that’s easy, just mms

technically no vs or dash

since you get shade cloak and shade soul

thinking outside the box

[dapper vector]

for speedrunning do i need to unninstal scarab or can i just turn off all mods?

[rapid nest]

technically technically you get dash with shade cloak and vs with shade soul

[rapid nest]

if you're using scarab+ you can just launch the vanilla game

older mod installers you just turn off modding api iirc

[dapper vector]

thx

[coral shore]

You need to turn of modding api, doesn't always mean uninstalling all mods. If you are using scarab, there is a button "Disable Modding API" (doesn't work for everybody tho), you can also verify file integrity in steam. OR if you use scarab+, just press "Launch vanilla agme" or also "disable modding api", both work

[dapper vector]

is there a specific way to set splits?

[weary root]

There's a link to hksplitmaker in the pins which is probably the easiest way to do it

you'll also need livesplit if you don't have that

[sweet mural]

🫠 How am I supposed to deal with the hwurmp room blocking fungal wastes?

can't jump up to the lever lmao

💀 don't tell me it's a shade skip

[sweet mural]

🫠 alright gonna assume I was supposed to shadeskip and that's a softlock so debug mod ig 💀

[weary root]

There's also more cursed things to come, you have to do another shade skip to get to the bench next to bretta

which means you have to come all the way back from city again

and then either a shade skip or an extremely cursed itemless epogo to get to claw

[sweet mural]

bruhhhh

lmao

[tight swift]

Just beat hollowknight in 0.01 nano seconds, smh to ez

[knotty vigil]

damn thats crazy

[coral shore]

damn that's crazy

[steady lynx]

damn thats crazy

[stuck raptor]

Damn that's crazy

[grim iron]

Wtf a chain?

[steady lynx]

It's standard in this chat

[grim iron]

ah

sorry if i broke teh chain

[steady lynx]

They usually don't last long, it's kinda like a "This person is obviously lying, make fun of them for a bit"

[knotty vigil]

guys i beat hollow knight no way

[grim iron]

yooooooooo congrats

[steady lynx]

I wish I was that good

Btw, here's a great strat for new runners to try out

[charred merlin]

guys whats the route for true ending any%? i wanna try it instead of sealed vessel

[weary root]

There are a couple different routes, this https://pastebin.com/Vx1d7MzE is the main one

[lofty flare]

How did you manage such a feat?

[knotty vigil]

magic

[lofty flare]

Damn

[lusty ledge]

Guys what are good meme categories for newbie speed runner?

[stuck raptor]

Kings pass

[knotty vigil]

garfield%

[steady lynx]

4 mask shards

[deep blade]

elderbug%

[thorn jasper]

4 mask shards

[true palm]

All Whispering Roots

[analog pawn]

4 mask shards and myla%

[lofty flare]

Yes.

Why do I kinda want to TAS that but know I can't without savestates

[steady lynx]

I see a lot of good suggestions here, but did anyone mention 4 mask shards yet?

[lofty flare]

No I don't think so, Why don't you do so?

[steady lynx]

Yeah, 4 mask shards is pretty good

Just don't do 16 mask shards

[knotty vigil]

what about 9 vessel fragments

[steady lynx]

9vf doesn't include optimally doing QGA with the delicate flower so it gets a pass

[arctic orbit]

Still not as bad as optimal AGK

[marsh coral]

What charms are used in p5 runs?

[vivid falcon]

I believe fury is abused

[hollow wave]

hello, i just recently started learning the any% nmg category and i have a few questions regarding QGA -- i can time the crystal dash fine when practicing at the wall above QGA, but it seems like it gets significantly harder when you have to crystal dash at the edge/corner of the wall.

Is this because you cannot crystal dash if you are at a corner and that you can only crystal dash when you're low enough at a wall? or in practice where you are low enough to the acid to be able to activate crystal dash normally? thanks in advance

the game doesn't read my input and i just slide off if i'm too high

[weary root]

yeah you can't cdash if you're too high

the range between too high and in the acid is pretty small

[hollow wave]

ah i see, the timing is insanely unforgiving and i've only done it twice

[analog pawn]

Yeah, qga is one of the harder tricks in the game

It takes practice to get good at

[sturdy glade]

Fwiw we've decided that the only thing in agk that changes for the optimal route is first try flower quest with no qg beforehand

Getting cdash takes less time than the ggg skips and saves time in many rooms afterwards

[lofty flare]

Does the 112 APB route use the same charms for p5 as the p5 route?

Oh wait no bc 112 apb doesn't use fury

[steady lynx]

Depends on the runner

[rapid nest]

and if you do fury you skip 11th notch so no nmg

[sweet mural]

How does one reach Monomon without dash or vengeful spirit?

[steady lynx]

Fake hardsave

[analog pawn]

noclip, getting out is funny then

[steady lynx]

It's a tiny bit difficult to get to Monomon with noclip and without dash

Idk tho, ask Krythom

[analog pawn]

should be possible, on 1028 you can stop momentum with qm at least

but you have one attempt and it's very cursed

[supple bramble]

Hello, newbie on this channel. I came up with a fun speedrun idea and I wanted to ask if there is a community made similar one, because I have some issues with routing

Archaeologist% - collect all relics and get all dialogue on them from Lemm

[thorn jasper]

the arcane egg being in birthplace turns that into "true ending with extra steps". people have done All Hallownest Seals but otherwise runs getting relics haven't been popular

also I'd recommend not requiring the dialog, because no one wants to mash through dialog in their speedrun

[rapid nest]

run the vastly superior category, all relics 0 geo

[supple bramble]

I was aware of these limitations but it's still a shame, because it sounds so fun to me

Oh, well. Thank you for info

[weary root]

Claw + wraiths is probably good enough to get to cdash.

[near nova]

Tips for that thorm skip dkip on pop?

[rapid nest]

wcs imo

[near nova]

[lofty flare]

I didn’t get to use any in pomi 2 2 bc 1432 😭

[sturdy glade]

pomi 2 2?

[lofty flare]

Path of mild inconvenience 2, the squeakquel

[marsh tendon]

isn't low% the run that takes 45+ hours?

[weary root]

That's low% True Ending wich needs to farm way too much essence for Awoken Dream Nail

low% needs no essence

[marsh tendon]

oh, ok

[upbeat ridge]

Hey guys just wondering is the QoL mod legal for speedrunning any%? And if so which speedrunning catagory would it fall under?

Like would it still be a current patch speedrun?

[stuck raptor]

Mods are not allowed for official runs

You'd have to submit to the modded leaderboard and not the main leaderboard

[upbeat ridge]

oh alright, thanks!

[quartz adder]

Is this the same for if you run low% te or is there no lb for that

[steady lynx]

Low% TE is perpetually stuck in having way too few runs that would be valid, so a leaderboard for it on the src board has never been warranted

The real killer is that we require single segment runs, which just makes it very fun to do in a single recording

[quartz adder]

gotcha

[steady lynx]

The quacksheet of meme categories that haven't got a real board hosts some kind of board for it but I don't know if they accept multiple segment there

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSHyJ2ZdtTPvoudRJ_VAW_an61MumAHdsQOm4Z9wvn_ou73rxX9w9ydb_lDuyOTCnXvmb68HlMrjPYa/pubhtml

[quartz adder]

this means you can do it in different streams right?

well different recordings

[steady lynx]

Probably, you'd have to ask Zonkmaster in #misc in the pinned server what qualifies

I just run glitched nowadays and a lot of glitched meme categories are pretty pointless

[elder canyon]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/CJMAC3JQ4H

new speedrun glitch made by accident

[analog pawn]

that's an ai break

Kinda cool though, I haven't seen that before. Although I like never do pantheons so there are a lot of people that might know about it

[rapid nest]

it happens pretty frequently on 1.4

[elder canyon]

dang, thought i just made a new discovery

[stoic sluice]

<@&283547423706447872>

[south herald]

Thanks

[slate pilot]

woah, a pyramid scheme

[abstract shore]

Wait I was interested

[sturdy glade]

Same

[slate pilot]

sorry I already took the money

[vagrant warren]

I was trying to figure out why discord wouldn't let me ping mods LOL

[blazing ingot]

Can someone help me out. im trying to do my first run for NMG Any% to see how difficult it is and i have the modding API installed and dont know how to uninstall it. does anyone know how to uninstall it?

[lofty flare]

In steam you can go to properties > Installed Files and click "Verify integrity of game files"

doing this will wipe all modded files

If you're using Scarab+ you can just click the "Launch Vanilla game" button

And on 1221, just replace the assembly c-sharp.dll file with the original, unmodded one

[blazing ingot]

I got the game through Gamepass. is there a way to do it there that you know of?

[lofty flare]

Yeah you can go into the game files, and in the hollow_knight_data folder, theres a file called assemblyc-sharp.dll

also you can probably just delete it and do a fresh install of the game

idk I don't use xbox app

[blazing ingot]

i see the .dll file in the managed folder.

[lofty flare]

yep, meant that one

You can replace it with an unmodded one

[blazing ingot]

how do i get the unmodded one?

[lofty flare]

I sent it to u

[blazing ingot]

that did it. thank you for your help

[lofty flare]

Yw

[knotty vigil]

my first real run went okey i would say

[torn glacier]

That’s better than my best run by almost 40 minutes! GG

Anyone know how I can record my run? I don’t know if my computer has enough space for over an hour of gameplay footage, but I’d like to get a run on speedrun.com

[true palm]

Use obs and just set recording resolution and stuff to low

An hour of footage will run about 2gb in HD

[knotty vigil]

Thank you!

Any tips for being able to more consistently do qga?

[torn glacier]

Personally I skip that one, it doesn’t save that much time and it’s too risky for me, but if you’re going for an optimal run, I got nothing

[knotty vigil]

I mean it dose save quite a bit of time to go via dark gardens

[knotty vigil]

<@&283547423706447872> I don’t think that’s speed running related

[south herald]

It totally is

[knotty vigil]

Fr Fr

[steady lynx]

If you're into bad jokes it's a great strat for Ban%

[knotty vigil]

I do that all the time

My favourite speedrun

[mossy brook]

It's too bad you only get 1 chance though

They should fix that in the next patch

[eager ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/grimm-get-grimmed-grimmed-hollow-knight-hollow-gif-26007572

[knotty vigil]

Yeah very bad for the maxban% run

[elfin mirage]

Is the route/strat for console and pc edition the same? I just dunno if its played on the same patch. Any% nmg

[frosty token]

Console is 1432 and you can use same route as PC players

[elfin mirage]

yo

[stable quarry]

you can also watch the console wr and/or some top runs.

[elfin mirage]

Couldnt find it

[vagrant warren]

There are separate boards for consoles on src, I think it's just a drop down to select

[rich kindle]

i tried low% and wow

that sucked

[supple lagoon]

Zmate hii

[spare yacht]

A

[weary root]

L

[steady lynx]

L

[knotty vigil]

S

[rapid nest]

K

[subtle pond]

Wtf y'all spelling out 🗣️

[steady lynx]

I was hoping for All Grubs All Glitches, but that didn't happen

[knotty vigil]

i was thinking of all skills lmao

[steady lynx]

When I saw the S I thought All Stag Stations

Because that's totally a popular category

[worn knot]

I got 1000865% on my first completed run

[knotty vigil]

damn that's crazy

[subtle pond]

Damn you a true gamer

Like on the same level as Tyler Ninja

[worn knot]

SaveEdit%

[worn knot]

And on a true ending run and my first completed run and a run where I did not even truely obtain void heart.

[grim iron]

Wtf you guys can do that?

[subtle pond]

gmars

[thorn jasper]

ILL ISSUES

[knotty vigil]

damn i cant beat that 😔

[subtle pond]

I got .005% on my first try

[vagrant warren]

Damn that's crazy

[subtle pond]

Get like me

[stable quarry]

A

[lucid nexus]

B

[weary root]

B

[steady lynx]

G

[lucid nexus]

H

[knotty vigil]

H

[sturdy glade]

N

[thorn jasper]

All Bosses Because Grimm Has Hard ... ||Nipples||?

[sturdy glade]

[grim iron]

The fuck..

[coral shore]

[tough relic]

All Bosses Base Game Hits Hard Now

[analog pawn]

one day deepnest will be routed in that I believe

not gonna do it though

[torn glacier]

Yay

New record, I know it’s trash but I’m proud of it

[steady lynx]

I believe that one day someone will look at All Bosses Base Game No Main Menu Storage and go "I want to route specifically Deepnest in this category"

[sturdy glade]

I would joke about that person being me but I don't even have the willpower to make that shitpost

[steady lynx]

Everyone who's tried has either just made it NMG Deepnest with one Soob to Nosk or given up

Realistically the best we could hope for would be a dupe that puts Nosk in spikes with active room as one where hazards deal damage

(Hazards dealing damage to enemies and bosses is based on room, most boss rooms have it set to no damage from hazards, the only enemy truly immune to all hazards is Uumuu)

[sturdy glade]

Man why can't we just have a bot test like every room dupe

[steady lynx]

If only python wasn't busy routing hundo AG

[analog pawn]

Partially why I want ABBG NMMS to be routes is so we have a main category on 1028 that's longer but not as daunting with dupes as any% or all skills

I also really want hundo AG routed but I think I know too little about ingame MMS to do it

[steady lynx]

I can't wait for Grubfather bullying though

[knotty vigil]

Just finished my first speedrun

Any% NMG

1:09:00

exactly

[torn glacier]

GG

[lean imp]

second run, not bad. A bit sad i threw thk twice. Could hace been sub hour. This was run in current patch btw

anu tips on qga skip? It os quite dificult for me and i go outside to get soul and heal

[vagrant warren]

If you're not consistent enough to do it without healing just go the other route thru deepnest instead & practice qga separately with debug until you're more comfortable.

[vagrant summit]

what do you use for timer?

[knotty vigil]

livesplit

[cedar mango]

it was a good game

[stone mulch]

Did you seriously speedrun it on your first playthrough?

[cedar mango]

yup

[knotty vigil]

It took me 110 hours to beat hollow knight on my first playthrough

[cedar mango]

i was watching yt saw this game saw 1 speedrun by fireborn and did it

just doing the lore part now

this bastard

[knotty vigil]

Yeah she sucks. You can send her down the elevator shaft once you get all the money out of her

[cedar mango]

well i smacked the shit out of her

i would be so cool if it was a boss fight

such a gentle men

[knotty vigil]

Yeah and when she staggered you could get money out of her, and the fight ends when you get all the money out of her.

[cedar mango]

he thought he had a chance

well before you judge i was wearing the defenders crest cause i had 1 notch left

[knotty vigil]

Now fight grimm but only with stink damage

[stone mulch]

Kinda sad it’s a game best played blind as exploration is a big part of it

[cedar mango]

true i am just getting into its lore

it is a freaking master peice

[cedar mango]

0_0

toughtest guy yet

just got me

[cedar mango]

greedy ant

[sacred thunder]

This isn’t really the channel for any of this…

[knotty vigil]

That’s pretty good

[lofty flare]

Yeah I was like “wtf”

@cedar mango #hk-discussion or #hk-general next time, please.

This is the speedrunning channel.

[cedar mango]

sry

[steady lynx]

It's far from the most offtopic thing we've discussed here

[lofty flare]

Ye

[stable quarry]

Clearly you need to be a speedrunner to be allowed to chat offtopic here

[lofty flare]

[lost dragon]

I am setting up my Livseplit and I can't find the automatic split for "The Hollow Knight". Can anyone let me know if it's named something else or if I'm being blind? Thanks

[sacred thunder]

Personally I got my splits pre-made from the pinned website…

[lost dragon]

Thank you!

[lofty flare]

I believe the game automatically splits on the final split upon beating the final boss

But I could be wrong

[lost dragon]

There was 2 splits I was missing so even tho it does split on the last it still wouldn't of work but downloaded the pinned livesplit worked

[steady lynx]

If end triggering autosplit is off and you are on the last split as the game ends it will split

[lost dragon]

Good to know. Thank you. This helps a lot

[steady lynx]

If you get them from hksm it'll always work but you have to remember to remove autosplits if you remove any splits

[lost scarab]

1h 06m 22s, this time i managed to perform both acid skips

ngl, i did qga wrong so many time and now i get the trick to do it

and that is dont press S right away

[lost scarab]

hello fellow ppl who dont touch grass

how do i speedrun p5?

pls?

is there a guide?

[cedar mango]

i think i am

[stable quarry]

What was the time? Where is your single segment video

[cedar mango]

what is that

i just bought the game 3 days ago

[stable quarry]

To submit to the leaderboard you need an uncut recording of the entire run.

[cedar mango]

oo

thats a thing

ok i quit you wont see me here ever

[stable quarry]

Well that's sad, just do another run smh

[cedar mango]

well i want to go into lore of this game i completed the speedrun 2 achievement and i dont feel to do it twice

[stable quarry]

Fair, go enjoy the game and then you can come suffer with the rest of us afterward

[cedar mango]

☠️

[steady lynx]

The pinned messages kinda explain everything about this chat, except the entire thing about Uumuu being a bad boss

[sturdy glade]

isn't that implied by you playing the game

[lofty flare]

😭

[strong wren]

hey could someone help with speed running

i only want to get the achievements and i dont know what is nessicary to get to beat

the game

im guessing the black egg is the fasting ending?

[sturdy glade]

;5hour

oh

[steady lynx]

It's pinned

[sturdy glade]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

oh yeah it is

oops

[strong wren]

oh okay

is the saving zote part nessicacary? cos i wanna get the achievment where i let him die

[strong wren]

^

[steady lynx]

Just get the geo somewhere else

[sturdy glade]

btw you have to hit his skull for the cheevo

[strong wren]

what does that mean

[sturdy glade]

for the achievement

[strong wren]

yeah but wdym by hit his skull

[sturdy glade]

you

uh

hit his skull

with your nail

[strong wren]

when he with the vengefly?

[sturdy glade]

no

after he died

[strong wren]

when does he die

[sturdy glade]

when you get claw

[strong wren]

ahh kk

thanks mate

[surreal plume]

bro what's that strange black attack on puire vessel

does that mean I got him to half hp?

[stable quarry]

I think that is at 1/3 hp

[surreal plume]

oh my god

And it took me 1 hour of practice

[stable quarry]

What?

[surreal plume]

that it took me 1 hour of practicing it only to get 1/3 of the hp

[steady lynx]

That attack has a very similar tell as the spike throw attack, but it's different enough to be able to tell when you get used to it, generally you'd want to DDark if you're unsure, or try to jump above it, pogo PV and DDark it for some extra damage

Also this is the speedrunning chat

[surreal plume]

what you mean ddark?

desolate dive 2?

[stable quarry]

Desending dark 1

[steady lynx]

Yeah, it's a whole meme

[surreal plume]

I'll try

[steady lynx]

Why are you dying ☠️ to bosses 👨🏼? You should just be using descending dark 🕶. Descending ⬇️ dark 🕶️ gives you iframes 👀 which stop 🛑you taking damage 😔. It also does a🅰️🅰️ lot of damage 😢. Stop 🛑 dying ☠️ to video 📻📻👾 game 👾 bosses 👨🏼 and just use descending ⬇️ dark 🌑

[surreal plume]

My problem is the damage by the like poles attacks

[stable quarry]

Huh @coral shore is in vc

[steady lynx]

Join them

[sturdy glade]

You should

Oh right

[stable quarry]

It's not HK and not even glitching

[steady lynx]

But I'm busy with more important stuff

Like not going for 17:xx in Spelless NMMS

[analog pawn]

I've been considering this, but it would mean killing any% NMMS

and I don't know if I am willing to do that

[coral shore]

yeah I'm chilling with my buddies

[steady lynx]

I think every single TE NMMS runner knows it's possible, I'm just not willing to kill the good any% NMMS

Well, the good any% overall, every other any% sucks

[stable quarry]

Is lp atchally faster?

If so can we just collectively agree that we don't know that?

[steady lynx]

I'd not be able to be proud of a run that used LP dupes that beat the 1028 record anyway

[subtle pond]

Most definitely likely

tbh imo iirc

[vagrant warren]

there's a guide for the 5 hour achievement in pins.

[torn glacier]

Hollow knight community in a nutshell:

Just learn some simple skips, it’s pretty easy with practice

[steady lynx]

The speedrun community is just copypastas, the same reused jokes from 2017 and every few weeks someone does a run

[torpid grotto]

I just beat the hollow knight at 45 hours

Blind play through

Fun

Same

I’m at 87%

Ye

Nice

Lol

Nice talking to you, bye!

[jagged vault]

Speedrun

Hollow knight

Real

[steady lynx]

I agree with the hand

[rapid nest]

is that blue? like the famous all achievments runner?

[grim iron]

omg hiii blue

[jagged vault]

Helo

[frank spire]

buffed PoP speedrun????1?1

[knotty vigil]

🖐️

[grim iron]

rocket :D

[hidden hazel]

Hiiii

[torn glacier]

Hi blue

I kinda doubt this is actual blue lol

[sacred thunder]

… doubt all you want

[steady lynx]

He does have the exact same account id as the guy who owns Blue's discord server

[vagrant warren]

I dunno, why would a Hollow Knight speedrunner be in the Hollow Knight speedrunning channel?

[steady lynx]

Also getting the speedrunner role on a fake account would be annoying

[analog pawn]

tbf, most active speedrunners are never in hkmain

[steady lynx]

Unless Zaliant is in on the joke

[frank spire]

spodrune!!

[lofty flare]

clearly this is the only way a blue lake shade skip should ever be setup

[steady lynx]

This is allowed in NMG but not doing a WCS jump to Blue Lake

[lofty flare]

I’m aware

That’s why I had to do it

[steady lynx]

I just think it's funny

[lofty flare]

So I could do this

Full nmg here

Which is amazing

This is nmg too, actually.

[steady lynx]

Yeah, because there's a shade in the room, it all makes sense

[lofty flare]

Mhm

By virtue of the shade existing

[lofty flare]

This is nmg because Jarlyk found a setup that makes it just barely possible to pogo up there using TAS

[steady lynx]

I love this ruleset

[lofty flare]

Lmao yeah

Underplats ruling is weird

Which is sad for dreamplats

And cdash parkour

It’s only allowed if you can do the underplat nmg without wcs

Although it rly just depends on how nmg the TASer wants it to be, TAS breaks nmg already

[sacred thunder]

That’s just topology though, if not then you could do large "underplats" in which you would like… go get c-dash from the bottom of the room

[lofty flare]

Yeah

Wcs rules are annoying

[sonic ivy]

can someone help me with livesplit?

[stable quarry]

What's the problem?

[sonic ivy]

im trying to get game time to work but the timer doesnt even start

its really not a big deal. i can just use real time

[stable quarry]

Have you choosen hk as the game?

[sonic ivy]

yeah

[stable quarry]

Have you rightclicked on livesplit and choosen compare agains ingame time?

[sonic ivy]

yeah. its what ever i dont care that much

thanks tho 👍

[analog pawn]

do you have the autosplitter activated with splits

[stable quarry]

Have you activated the autosplitter

[sonic ivy]

thats what this is right?

[analog pawn]

yes

you need to have splits for it in settings as well for it to work, if you have that and it still doesn't work try restarting livesplit otherwise I don't know

but we have a livesplit troubleshooting list pinned in the speedrunning server for more help (that server is pinned here)

[sonic ivy]

ok. thanks you

[valid pawn]

My fastest in beating the game is 10 hours... It's mostly because when I'm playing sometimes I have to go places and I leave it on. I also love doing side quests like grimme troupe.

[knotty vigil]

Dose anyone know what the world record is for path of pure vessel?

[steady lynx]

What does that even mean?

[subtle pond]

Path of pure vessel

[coral shore]

pop with pv instead of kingsmoulds in the end

[knotty vigil]

Yeah

[lofty flare]

POPPV is so pog

[strange remnant]

is 1221 still the most efficient version for any% NMG?

[lofty flare]

Yes

[vagrant warren]

Boards are separated tho, if you don't have a good enough pc to run 1221 well

[lost kite]

@exotic thunder

[sturdy glade]

[lofty flare]

what was that about

Anyway infinite wings jump glitch is still so pog

[stable quarry]

Literally if you added a question or something I'd reccon Skurry would be nice enough to atchally reply..

[steady lynx]

Pinging random famous content creators who probably don't even check this server is a very unique idea of how to have fun

[stable quarry]

Yes @lost kite I am totally not spam pinging. I will stop after this one though

[sacred thunder]

I would be beyond surprised if they didn’t have pings & dms from this server disabled already

[steady lynx]

Even I have pings disabled here and I'm actually active here

[stable quarry]

I have notifications on all messages in this channel atm

[analog pawn]

I should disable pings here

[stable quarry]

They don't ping though which is nice

[knotty vigil]

dnd for the win 💪

[stable quarry]

Dnd?

[knotty vigil]

do not disturb

[steady lynx]

You had the Norwegian's hopes up there

[stable quarry]

Oh, soo not dungeond and dragons

[analog pawn]

I am usually annoyed by the number more than the sound so

[knotty vigil]

fair enough

[steady lynx]

Yeah, the @ silent thing is kinda useless

[stable quarry]

What number?

[knotty vigil]

the thing that goes here

[steady lynx]

Can't you turn that off

[analog pawn]

yeah that

[knotty vigil]

actually i think you can edit the pngs

[stable quarry]

Ehm, someone ping me rq

[knotty vigil]

@stable quarry

[steady lynx]

@stable quarry

[stable quarry]

Oh that number lol

[analog pawn]

Maybe can turn it of, but I still like it for useful pings. I am only annoyed when people ping for completely worthless reasons

[stable quarry]

I don't get enough pings for that to ever pass 5

[knotty vigil]

there we go

[steady lynx]

I'm lucky to be uncharasmatic enough to not get any big fanbase

[steady lynx]

You should replace all the ping images with

[stable quarry]

9+ just means 10?

[steady lynx]

Anything higher than 9

[stable quarry]

But 11 was dot

[analog pawn]

it's just badge number 11

not for 11 pings

[steady lynx]

I think dot is just for unread messages in general

[stable quarry]

Ooh

[analog pawn]

yep

[steady lynx]

Down there

[knotty vigil]

honestly i dont know why the dot is on the bottom for w10 but on the top for w11

[steady lynx]

I never don't have unread messages

[analog pawn]

I have a compulsion to read all unread messages whenever I have them

[stable quarry]

Is that unread messages or unread pings?

[knotty vigil]

messages

pings/dms will be a number

[steady lynx]

I have servers I've been in since 2016, I'm not leaving them, or muting them apparently

[analog pawn]

I mute servers I am not active in

[stable quarry]

Why would you even need to show that you have uunread messages?

[analog pawn]

it only does for unmuted servers, it can be interesting to know

[steady lynx]

I'd brag about having a 2016 account, but Ax has a 2015 account

Finnish people always have to try to show us up

[analog pawn]

I only have early 2017

not even cool

[stable quarry]

I have 0 servers without unread messages..

[steady lynx]

I generally keep Monstah's server fully read

It only has 2 chats though, none of which people can type in

[analog pawn]

I have 0 unread messages in HKSR, except for IL movement, IL combat and rando chats which I have muted

[stable quarry]

What are the 2 chats?

[analog pawn]

I read all other chats there actively

[stable quarry]

Why not mute nmg

[steady lynx]

I read all chats in hksr on basis of needing to know when random people are giving out free nitro

Then I delete the messages so only I can have free nitro

[knotty vigil]

greedy 😡

[steady lynx]

The mods here do it as well

[knotty vigil]

im not a real mod doe...

fake staff 😔

[subtle pond]

Petition to make rocket the owner of hollow Knight

[steady lynx]

Rocket will finish silksong

[knotty vigil]

😳

[stable quarry]

Rocket allready has I even got an invite o.o

[harsh moth]

I may try speed running the game soon

Any tips

[lofty flare]

Signed

[lofty flare]

We will force you into a leadership position

[harsh moth]

Signed

[lofty flare]

Well that depends on the category, current skill lvl, what you need tips on, etc

[harsh moth]

Any % and I’m ok at HK

[lofty flare]

Join the pinned discord server

They can help you get everything setup

[primal perch]

i found something that could be something

let me draw what i did in blender

i pressed focus then i teleported

might already have been figured out but i just wanted to share in case it could be utilized for something else

[steady lynx]

Which room is this exactly, what version are you on, do you have any mods, what's your favourite color?

[primal perch]

ill find the room, it was either 1.4.3 or 1.2.2.1, and i didnt have any moods on at the time, my favorite color is blue

im pretty sure it was 1.4.3 tho

or not 1.4.3 latest, im dum

[steady lynx]

1.5.78.numbers?

[primal perch]

?

[knotty vigil]

11833

Don’t ask me why I know that

[steady lynx]

I only know patches up to 1432 tbh

Well, I have 1575 but that's irrelevant

[primal perch]

i think this might be somn for any% all glitches

[knotty vigil]

They should’ve just left it at 1.5.7.8 or 1.5.7.5

I have no idea why TC decided to deviate from the 4 digit format like literally every other patch

[rapid nest]

do you know what room it was in

[primal perch]

im going to it rn

[steady lynx]

You only ever need a few patches anyway

Like
1006
1028
1037
11 14
1118
1211
1210
1214
1221
1315
1424
1432
1575

I think that's every patch that's technically optimal for something

[rapid nest]

1578

[steady lynx]

Is it faster than 1575?

[rapid nest]

for 1xx and stuff because elevator squeezes

[steady lynx]

Is that 1578 only?

[rapid nest]

yeah it was added when elevator storage was patched

[steady lynx]

This proves how little I've played of 1578

[knotty vigil]

Thanks TC

[steady lynx]

Oh 1315 is technically not useful since 1424 can do everything it can do except an obsolete method of skipping WK in Low% NMMS

But 1315 is more fun to play on since it's not obsessed with locking the cursor while in gameplay

[primal perch]

btw when this happened it showed a sped up dreamgate animation but didnt transition

[rapid nest]

hmm

thats strange

[steady lynx]

I'd assume it's not replicable as far as you tried

[primal perch]

Might have been right here

[rapid nest]

vali journal

[steady lynx]

Oh, Fungus2_17

[rapid nest]

so did you do any other inputs or just focus

[lofty flare]

The speedrunner role isn't possible to get anymore, right?

[primal perch]

might have been quick cast but im pretty sure just focus

[sacred thunder]

Depends on how much you can bribe the mod team

[steady lynx]

Technically if you have a reason like needing to see the archived channels you can ask May or someone for it

[lofty flare]

Fuck. I need to access #any-percent-nmg for wcs vid

[lofty flare]

Well thats the reason I have-

[rapid nest]

but if you did press focus it wasnt for long enough to start a heal right?

[steady lynx]

Then just dm May (The mod, not the month) and ask very nicely

[primal perch]

nope it wasnt long enough i just tapped it

[steady lynx]

Include a 🥺 for increased chances

[sacred thunder]

(You could also send cat a Dm, it may just work)

[lofty flare]

Fuck...which one to dm

[steady lynx]

Pinging Zaliant might also work, I think that might be encouraged

[lofty flare]

WHO TO TALK TO

[sacred thunder]

Just @ mods in the chat

[lofty flare]

lmfao

[lofty flare]

[lofty flare]

might?

Calli is telling me to ask may

[analog pawn]

May is nice

[steady lynx]

Yeah, she's a safe bet

[analog pawn]

I would've asked may

[steady lynx]

I'd ask May but I also already know May from the speedrun community so

[analog pawn]

My only interaction with Zaliant is telling him to go to gustens chat so I could time him out. (He asked for a timeout somewhere else)

[weary root]

May is awesome, but probably has like 1000+ unchecked notifs in this server by now

[steady lynx]

Zaliant is known for finding a lot of movement tech in speedrunning and doing zero speedruns

[lofty flare]

Not me looking at messages from 5 years ago while you guys casually talk about how awesome May is

[steady lynx]

Yeah that's why you dm her, pinging her here would have the same effect as talking to a wall

[lofty flare]

Well I already dmed her

[steady lynx]

@normal aspen isn't that right

[lofty flare]

Watch her respond

[normal aspen]

Done

[lofty flare]

Tysm

[lofty flare]

Hahahaha

[steady lynx]

She didn't respond tho

[lofty flare]

But she did notice the ping

[steady lynx]

Knowing her there's a 50/50 chance she actually noticed it

[lofty flare]

Finally. I can finally see fire's wcs ban proposal.

Thats pretty much all I needed the role for but i'll keep looking

[sacred thunder]

That reminds me about that dm I sent to nerf that never got an answer

[steady lynx]

There's some fun stuff

[sacred thunder]

It hasn’t aged well anyhow

[steady lynx]

Like a copypasta being pinned in #any-percent-nmg

[analog pawn]

If you want to reach nerf just ping in hksr and hope you got the right one

[steady lynx]

There's like 3.5 Nerfs in there

[normal aspen]

Nah I check the mentions tray semi frequently thays how I found this

Like non role ones

[lofty flare]

HAHA

[steady lynx]

You win this round Nix

[lofty flare]

the only one I ever will

except on random TAS knowledge I suppose

[steady lynx]

Btw, can you figure out the cpeak WCS for TE NMMS (And maybe any% NMMS soon?)

[lofty flare]

the cpeak wcs is a wiggle

no way around it

you might be able to use the slope for clingless

but i doubt it

i'll no clip out of that room and find out

any% nmms i haven't seen that wcs

[steady lynx]

I'll just throw it in the "Tryhard or TAS only" pile then

[rapid nest]

nix find a way to get wcs without claw imo

[sacred thunder]

Since when does te nmms goes to peeks ???

[lofty flare]

new route i suppose

it has a wiggle wcs to be optimal 💀

[steady lynx]

It's slightly faster than going through Blue Lake apparently

[analog pawn]

It can do the TE reroute stuff on LP. Should be quite fast

[rapid nest]

its 30 seconds faster than going to dreamnail through gruz mother but you have to do wcs to even get there

[steady lynx]

any% NMMS might just become TE NMMS but without voidheart soon as well

As much as I hate that

[lofty flare]

I didn't know until today while testing my discovery that you could chain unclinged wcs off a floor

[sacred thunder]

I was like "imma learn a glitched cat" people told me "go learn te nmms" and after I do 3 runs the entire cat gets rerouted

[analog pawn]

I still recommend learning the old route tbh. It's quite beginner friendly. Although the new route is really cool

[steady lynx]

The cat kinda underwent a strat revolution right after I grinded my ass off for the sub 25

Now the goal is a 21:xx

[sacred thunder]

…

Why do people even play nmg when there’s actual discoveries and records to be set in nmms

[analog pawn]

Idk, I got tricked into running NMG any% and am sorta enjoying it for now

[steady lynx]

Good question

It's kinda like "Look what can be done with 'intended' strats"

[lofty flare]

and why the fuck do I keep accidentally getting itemless airwalks during my TASes

[analog pawn]

My brief detour to NMG will be over when I have a time I consider decent in that category. The problem is that what I consider decent has moved quite a bit

[steady lynx]

I kinda wish more people submitted glitched runs than just any% NMG and any% 1432+ NMG

[rapid nest]

the low% nmms world record is free to get right now

[lofty flare]

Im sorry, what the fuck did I just do?

[steady lynx]

"Free"

It comes at the cost of your sanity

[analog pawn]

Nice quirell impression

[steady lynx]

A great Quirrel impression

[lofty flare]

you 2 have the same mind

[analog pawn]

lol

[weary root]

lmao

[analog pawn]

All Swedes are the same person

We also don't sleep

[steady lynx]

Including Ax

Ax is actually the leader of the Swedes

[lofty flare]

My personal favorite part of the wcs timestamps doc

[analog pawn]

Raining mawleks?

[primal perch]

what is your favorite TAS program Nix i have been looking into getting into it

[lofty flare]

Its the only one that works with hk

libTAS

[primal perch]

alr thnx

[steady lynx]

It's a bit finicky right

[weary root]

There's a HK TAS discord server if you're interested @primal perch

[lofty flare]

#speedrunning message

[steady lynx]

Like the entire 1.3+ almost always desyncing and 1.5 not working at all due to the new Unity version

[lofty flare]

The amount of hackery required is ridiculous

[lofty flare]

almost always is a big overstatement

we have a tas tool that works pretty much every time now

but rng desyncs to happen

and its more common than 1221

[rapid nest]

this is the best thing ever

[steady lynx]

I just remember early days when TASing one room on 1432 was a massive feat

[weary root]

Classic ax2u moment

[lofty flare]

I cannot stop watching this video, it is so laughably wonky

[primal perch]

where is TAS on speedrun.com

[lofty flare]

there are no TAS categories

[primal perch]

oh

[lofty flare]

Im genuinly shocked at this tbh

just how well the enemy lure works

[steady lynx]

TASes do not go on speedrun.com, the site is just for human performed runs

And Monstah

[lofty flare]

TAS kind of exists outside the rulesets

[primal perch]

ok

[lofty flare]

most TASers, as jarlyk said, just kind of choose how nmg they want to be

I prefer to follow the ruleset entirely

[rapid nest]

i assure you my 29 minute any% run was completely legitimate

[lofty flare]

But watching Krythom's no jump input TAS was amazing

[steady lynx]

Or in the case of Krythom just do every glitch except MMS and pause storage

[lofty flare]

Ikr

[steady lynx]

I will push for pause storage ban in NMMS

[lofty flare]

He is still doing that, even today

[rapid nest]

mms and pause storage

[primal perch]

is mms main menu storage

[lofty flare]

Yes

[primal perch]

kk

[rapid nest]

mms is major major skips

[analog pawn]

Talking about jumpless, all death dupes have been removed so new version will be made

[steady lynx]

They just need to work out the route to be more optimal

[lofty flare]

Maybe Im shocked at it because I created it and im surprised at how well this worked

[lofty flare]

oh?

I did not know this

[analog pawn]

It's news from a few hours ago

[steady lynx]

and Krythom really likes to go beyond to optimize TASes so it could be at least a month before we see much progress

[lofty flare]

God this is the first genuine conversation i've ever had in #speedrunning

[analog pawn]

I've had a lot of conversations here. Only about half of them about speedrunning

[lofty flare]

Lmfao

folder pog

[primal perch]

when im looking for libtas do i go to github?

[lofty flare]

This is my folder of 1221 TAS encodes

[steady lynx]

Most of my conversations here boil down to telling people to check the pins

[lofty flare]

https://discord.gg/q6zjsnZuh3
https://discord.gg/5njMBBZD

[analog pawn]

It was a while since I sent a weird glitched strat here. That is always fun

[primal perch]

thanks

[steady lynx]

I could do that...

[analog pawn]

Time to get out of bed and back to the computer I guess

It's almost morning anyways

[steady lynx]

I have a funny

[lofty flare]

Do tell

this is the room TE NMMS uses, right?

[rapid nest]

yes

[lofty flare]

and you noclip out to the left?

[rapid nest]

boob but yes

[lofty flare]

and you want to dash under the room and wj up to the transition?

[rapid nest]

yes

[lofty flare]

i'll see if unclinged is possible

[primal perch]

im having trouble with libtas, it says i need to have a linux operating system

[lofty flare]

You do

I personally run mine using WSL for windows

[primal perch]

ya im using win 10

[lofty flare]

and im on win 11

my friend is on win 10

its possible

[analog pawn]

The other option is running a VM with linux on it. That's harder though

[lofty flare]

Is that not what wsl is?

linux console

linux app

and linux file system

[analog pawn]

WSL is in windows. A virtual machine simulates a computer.

So you would have a window with its own desktop etc

WSL is similar but not a traditional Virtual Machine

[lofty flare]

debug tells me I have these

but

I can't wj

or refresh dahs

Debug is just wilding

I don't think theres a supplementary wcs method

[steady lynx]

Not the best but it's the best I can be bothered to do at 4 in the morning

[lofty flare]

wiggle or cling cling (which is arguably harder than wiggle while blind) is ur best bet I think

[lofty flare]

What the fuck

[steady lynx]

It's the THK only version of the dupe used in TE NMMS

[lofty flare]

wtffffffffff

[steady lynx]

Dude does not like acid

[lofty flare]

well wait a minute thats just a float setup for water

Water is a beautiful and easy to get to floor.

this is probably nothing new tho

[steady lynx]

Have you ever interacted with the liquid of the gods, aka 1.0 water

[lofty flare]

I haven't

mostly because I didn't download 1028 properly and now I don't have textures

i've gottta redownload it soon

[steady lynx]

That thing will give you major glitches if you look at it wrong

[lofty flare]

Oh look! Free airwalk!

[steady lynx]

This is kinda similar to how 100% TE gets airwalk

[lofty flare]

Whats my favorite type of wcs?

Probably Submerged.

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/yCxZvb2Fz8s?t=871

[lofty flare]

A quickmap storage?

[steady lynx]

Just open inventory on top of the water with float

[lofty flare]

Thats prob faster tho, it lets you get the airwalk version that isn't rly hard to chain/move with and it doesn't take forever to get to the bottom of the water like my method does

[lofty flare]

how'd you get float here?

oh, the quickmap storage in salubra

[steady lynx]

The normal way, cancel a fireball

[lofty flare]

*outside of

how exactly do u do quickmap storage again? I forgot

[steady lynx]

100% is a bit funny because it uses 1.1 which might be the most nerfed patch when it comes to glitches

1.2 is slightly less glitchy overall but it also has 1.2.1.1 so

[steady lynx]

Map, action, map

Really quickly

[lofty flare]

oh I got it

[steady lynx]

You also either need to own a map or be on 1028

On 1028 TC just forgot to have a check for if you had a map when you tried to open map

[lofty flare]

beautiful

[lofty flare]

results in a very small float

limits my jump/wj height

do I need to go in the transition?

[steady lynx]

Enter a transition and it becomes pfloat

Which is way more useful and doesn't limit jump height

[lofty flare]

seems to just remove my float

is it bc im on 1221?

[steady lynx]

You may have turned around

[lofty flare]

how do I leave the transition without turning around

[steady lynx]

Face away from the load, do the storage and then walk towards the load

[lofty flare]

OHH

[steady lynx]

For doors you just turn around and enter the load after the fireball has gone off

If you time it wrong or don't turn around right after the storage you will get slowfall

[lofty flare]

ty Gusten

[steady lynx]

The more useful storage on 1.3+ is text storage which is done by doing map, interact, map

[lofty flare]

this is how gusten gets me to run glitched

[steady lynx]

It's used on elderbug in TE NMMS since its the most convenient way to get bench storage which is extremely broken

[lofty flare]

Ik

Its 11:00 pm. Gusten

im gonna flip a coin

heads: I work on my wcs vid

Tails: I go get water and go to sleep

I kinda wanna work on the wcs vid tho-

[steady lynx]

My main goal right is to just get people interested in glitched runs so

[lofty flare]

well you've accomplished that goal with me

[lofty flare]

Can I use this airwalk for my wcs video?

Airwalk is one of the example glitches I bring up in my script

I was wondering if I can use this as the background video

[steady lynx]

Sure

[lofty flare]

Awesome ty

[stable quarry]

Yes plis

[mystic spruce]

Does anyone have some tips for QGA ?

[stable quarry]

Join the pinned server and search for qga in resourses. There is a great resourse there to learn the timing

[mystic spruce]

Alright thank you

[glad wave]

my livesplit timer is going green but its not timing, does anyone know of reasons why? (i want to do grubsong% and also have the auto splits enabled and the layout)

[vagrant warren]

Join the pinned server & check the tech support channel pins for a livesplit troubleshooting checklist

[glad wave]

oh okay

[random pelican]

Mmm new pb be lookin crispy. Just practice cause i was bored. So ni timer, sadly

No deaths, somehow. No debug mod. One failed epogo. First try both greenpath fireball skips. Uumuu could be better. Watchers was desent. Beast den and THK fight was better than usual. And a pretty desent peaks

There was lots of room for improvement. Did almost forget to get claw cause my geo count made me think i had been there. So had to go from crossroads stag to get claw and then continue. Fell off a platform to get dream nail. Had to heal sometimes on watchers and uumuu. Usually i do full deepnest, and did so this time. But i tried and failed QGA five times before then

[lofty flare]

How do you do the 1028 pause double jump thing

[coral shore]

airwalk jump
You need to turnaround on a specific frame that is decided based on interpolation, which practically always exists if you do a full jump (graphic frames perfect, usually same frame assuming fps is low enough).
Then you need to jump on the consecutive frame (idk if physics or graphics here actually)
Then you will be airwalking. To do a buffered airwalk jump, you need to pause, then unpause and jump on consecutive frames (pretty sure physics frames)

[steady lynx]

It's not even limited to 1028, it works on all patches iirc

[coral shore]

except 1.5 that can't do turnaround, needs to be ledge

[steady lynx]

1.5 can't do the funny 0 geo NMMS route

[gentle sage]

My first run on computer and my pb pretty bad but I dont know a lot of the strats so hope I can get a better time and not die to watcher knights 10 times

[dense breach]

what bosses can I use the hit before fight method so HK is unlocked while the boss does the battle cry? Is it just dung defender, collector and white defender? I can do it on dung, but I'm not clear how to do it on the other two. Any advice?

[vagrant warren]

You don't need to spoiler things in this channel. White Defender generally the scream skip is done with ddark I think, there are a couple different setups for Collector depending on whether you have shade cloak or not. I'd suggest joining the channel in pins & looking depending on which category you're looking to do the scream skips.

[carmine fog]

In just a little bit here my buddy OnzinPower and I will be live on ESA doing a 2 Players 1 Controller run of Hollow Knight
Hope some of you will find that interesting (and hope it's okay to put this here)

[vagrant warren]

If it's not started yet I'd suggest joining the pinned server & posting in the community events channel!

[coral shore]

gg on the run!

[heavy sky]

whats with the speedrun achievements like come on speedrun 2 beat the game in under 5 hours thats low

[steady lynx]

They should have kept it at 3 hours

Like before release

[vagrant warren]

Any% in that time is very doable, there's a guide in pins

Oops, sorry for ping

[heavy sky]

its ok

[arctic orbit]

you say, in the speedrunning channel

[graceful quartz]

are there any advanced pvp guides?

I feel like I’ve hit a wall in hollow knight combat, and YouTubers/streamers effortlessly create combos midair that I don’t necessarily understand

putting this in the speed running channel because it’s something I need to work on for cutting down my speed running time

[lofty flare]

I think it just kind of comes with experience, developing your own method of fighting enemies in this game

Don’t try to copy someone else’s method

[graceful quartz]

fair, however I see a lot of the same spell hang time combos

[jagged vault]

Yeah! Speedrunning makes tou naturally develop stuff like that

A lot of it are specific combos that we learn for specific fights, a lot can be improvised from that

Spell airstalls are just a prt of the arsenal that you need to get comfortable with over time

I’d recommend looking at airborne fights like absrad for examples on how to do air-combo maneuverability @graceful quartz

[graceful quartz]

Thanks!

I’ll take a look and this helped, I probably just need to play more and try out new things instead of making myself bound to one form of pvp

[steady lynx]

It's honestly not a lot about having one form of pvp to cover all bosses, it's having almost a different pvp for every induvidual boss and getting used to what works best for each of them

[graceful quartz]

Also, @jagged vault do you know any mods specifically to help improve with pvp or should just godhome’s hall of gods be used? Since obviously I can practice with everything I have, but it’d be nice to practice these types of things severely underleveled or underhealthed?

[steady lynx]

Debug mod and Godseeker+

[graceful quartz]

tysm y’all are great

[steady lynx]

Debug mod for overworld bosses since it has savestates, Godseeker+ for Godhome

Also debug mod can alter what abilities and nail damage you have

[graceful quartz]

agreed, this is very prevalent when it comes to bosses like the collector

[lofty flare]

@graceful quartz there are also mods that allow you to fight a boss in HoG and it will only do 1 attack the whole time

So you can practice that attack

But it’s not rly the same, bc u expect that attack

There are also mods that let you have bindings in HoG and choose what phase the boss starts in

[graceful quartz]

I’ll check them out if I can find them

but thanks everyone

[lofty flare]

I have dmed Krythom to see if she will help me make a TE NMMS TAS

[steady lynx]

Not on 1.3+ she won't

Krythom only does 1028, you'd have to ask Peeka for help probably

[lofty flare]

Oh

[steady lynx]

python also knows 1.3+ pretty well, but not TAS, he might still be able to help

[lofty flare]

Well I asked peeka

I’ll ask python soon

[lofty flare]

Wait didn’t you run TE NMMS?

Or was that a different category

[steady lynx]

I had record back in the old days

Now I just run Spelless NMMS

But I'm coming back to TE NMMS for a 21:xx soon

[steady lynx]

I also do run like every category though

[lofty flare]

wiggle wcs when?

[steady lynx]

When it's actually human viable

[lofty flare]

Nah best TAS would be ABBG NMMS

[rapid nest]

tbh sounds like a skill issue

[lofty flare]

I can route deepnest, but with TAS bullshit

[lofty flare]

Never =D

[steady lynx]

Hundo AG TAS when?

[lofty flare]

When I learn MMS

[steady lynx]

Beat my unsubmitted Spelless NMMS run then

21:xx should be free even without the wcs anyway

[lofty flare]

How does spelless NMMS even work?

Animation interrupting float to fungal?

[steady lynx]

It's TE NMMS but without voidheart or Radiance

A bit of a shitpost category

[rapid nest]

no you just boob like you do in te

[lofty flare]

Oh right, boob exists

[steady lynx]

boob kinda carries NMMS on it's back right now

You just kinda get map and then use that to repeatedly get bench storage with Elderbug

[lofty flare]

I don’t know how to do it lmao

[steady lynx]

TAS would probably do Rosie jumps at the start though

You just have bench storage and open inventory right before a sideways load finishes

[lofty flare]

What’s a Rosie jump

I’m so confused

[steady lynx]

Basically, the save trigger next to the Dirtmouth bench isn't very tall, so you can just airwalk jump over it, get on the bench and savequit before it saves on the bench and it gives you bench storage at the KP exit hardsave

Wait, TAS would just actually do the TAS only strat that only TAS can do where you airwalk jump to Cliffs at the start, since TAS actually can do that

If it's even faster due to the lack of bench storage and fury

[rapid nest]

hmm i wonder if tas would just do nmg fungal instead of quitting back for bench storage

[steady lynx]

Oh right, maybe

You'd have to get a different bench for the bench storage tho

Would TAS use 1424 or 1315?

[rapid nest]

shouldnt be any difference

unless maybe changing framerate for something is optimal

[steady lynx]

shouldn't matter for TAS, it can do custom refresh rate injects for vsync anyway

[coral shore]

TAS wouldn't need 1424 cause you would di and airwalk jump out of claw

so 1432 works just as fine

Also tas would probably just not s&q between dupes

and also do that tas only quickkill staxis mentioned

[lofty flare]

I keep getting accidental itemless airwalks lmfao

[coral shore]

also yes this tas would do dash first, and yeah I think dash first would be quite a bit faster

Surely claw skip

[steady lynx]

Use 1.3 To annoy mayo for fun

[analog pawn]

Yeah dash first definitely saves quite a bit

[steady lynx]

I'll continue being the biggest 1.3 fan in the community

[stable moon]

aren't you the only 1.3 fan in the community?

[steady lynx]

Eridan claims to like it, but I'm not sure how serious he is

[lofty flare]

Lmfao

Alr I just gotta wait for peeka to give me a bullshit TE NMMS TAS route

[rapid nest]

if you mean the vengefly in the well one that would be slow because you have to wait through thk's stabby phase

[coral shore]

Why do you think Peeka knows it tho

[steady lynx]

Yeah, python does all the routes

[coral shore]

🐑 so true

[arctic orbit]

1315 1315 1315

[arctic orbit]

i’ll fight you for that title, ping intended

[arctic orbit]

i like it more than any lp patch, that’s for sure

[steady lynx]

That's normal, patches after 1.3 sucks

[arctic orbit]

also gusten

if you truly loved 1.3, would you have pushed for its use to be restricted in nmg?

[steady lynx]

Because you shouldn't run NMG anyway

[arctic orbit]

fair

but still

i’m the biggest 1.3 fan

it’s one of the 4 versions of hk i have downloaded

1006, 1315, 1221 and 1221 modded

definitely in my top 5 patches

[steady lynx]

It's one of the 28 I have

[arctic orbit]

lmao

see

at this moment i have a more valid claim to the title

[steady lynx]

I have at least 5 verified runs on that patch

[arctic orbit]

fair

but you also have like 5 billion runs

[steady lynx]

107 across the hk boards

[arctic orbit]

i would like to emphasize that my love for 1315 and 1006 and 1211 is genuine and real

[arctic orbit]

i have 1 and given my track record it’s arguably a greater achievement

[steady lynx]

I might have unsubmitted runs on 1.3

[arctic orbit]

one run from me is so rare that no number of any runs can beat it in value

it’s like guano at the beginning of the 20th century

it’s literally shit but is more valuable than gold due to the rarity

[steady lynx]

What's your favourite features that 1315 has that 1424 doesn't?

[arctic orbit]

the blue title screen

and the lack of godhome

[steady lynx]

You can change to the title screen on 1424 anyway

[arctic orbit]

ok but like

it has a different vibe when you can’t change it

also 1315 is the most normal hk patch

i minmax my patch tastes

number 1 is 1221 because duh

[steady lynx]

1315 can change the title screen tho

[arctic orbit]

lalala i’m not listening (wait what you can???)

[arctic orbit]

number 2 is 1037 (nosk% 💯)

number 3 is 1211 (i love not having to get dnail)

number 4 is 1006 (first patch best patch)