speedrunning

[next jungle]

the rest was the walljump

[sturdy glade]

Bro why are you trying to teach the man ismas early control

[lofty flare]

Yeah that’s why we do the walk setup, low enough to duck under, high enough to get the wall jump

[next jungle]

also i died 3 times in beast den

[lofty flare]

I’m not but it’s not too difficult just the timings are precise.

[lofty flare]

To the devouts?

[next jungle]

ye

[lofty flare]

and you took fungal deepnest route?

[next jungle]

yes

[lofty flare]

Moss prophet?

[next jungle]

yes

my only strat for devouts is ddark lol'

[lofty flare]

That is not a bad strat but also not great

[knotty vigil]

It's breat (bad and great)

does the Charm Notch give you ||1 % progress?||

i don't think so

[steady lynx]

Charm notches are not %

[knotty vigil]

i only know this cause i remember for the old 112 routes where people did grubsong they only had 10 notches to finish it off instead of 11

ok

[steady lynx]

1xx categories that don't do Godhome generally end with 9 I think

Very funny

[knotty vigil]

lol

[steady lynx]

For those 1xx runners based enough to realise that Godhome sucks in 112

[stable quarry]

Yes, though I don't ming you yoinking it from the source;
https://dribbble.com/shots/6200434-The-Radiance

[little solstice]

Guys any tips for garden acid skip... I just cant do it consistent...

[stable quarry]

Join pinned server and #822611561427370054 message

@little solstice

[knotty vigil]

unknown is my favorite tips channel...

[grim iron]

Where's there's unknown here?

[knotty vigil]

in hksrc probably

[grim iron]

😮

I see

[knotty vigil]

im not in it that's why it's like that

ill join when we get a ss release date though

then ill proceed to not say a word for months until ive done enough ss stuff to not spoil myself

[grim iron]

Aww okay 👍

[little solstice]

Wow that is

So cool

Ill try that later on today

[lofty flare]

Hi gwnj

I recommend walking barely off the edge for that skip, if you miss the timing for the dash, wall jump back up.

[digital jewel]

<@&283547423706447872>

[final sphinx]

hey im new nd looking for a rout eny one got one

[stuck raptor]

for what category

[jagged vault]

Oc godhome is fun wdym

[lofty flare]

“Fun”

I actually need to practice that I wanna learn the 112 route

[lofty flare]

Wut

[rapid nest]

you just start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk

[lofty flare]

Ah yes, very simple route for a new speed runner, one of the most precise and timing based categories in order to pull off the most important and powerful glitches in hk history

[lofty flare]

Blue, before I suffer, u got any oc pantheon or 112 APB tips?

[coral shore]

One of the most precise
? Any% ag isn't that precise in terms of finishing a run. If anything it's much more of a memory challenge

[rapid nest]

you have to memorize the route to monomon

[lofty flare]

Fair enough, but that doesn’t count out the difficulty of some of these glitches

[lofty flare]

The most terrifying section of all lmao /j

[sturdy glade]

why is that a /j

[coral shore]

It does. The most precise glitch in the run is mms, which is one graphics frame perfect input that is easily retriable.
The hardest part of the run is dupe to monomon, but not much precision there. Just remembering where to go and what to do, but there aren't much tight inputs there

[rapid nest]

iirc opening inv to go back into loads is harder than 10 frame perfect tricks

it would be much nicer if all loads could just like be the same length tbh

[coral shore]

#legalizeloadnormalizers

[lofty flare]

I can back that #

[unique canyon]

Hey this isn't about hollow knight but I do have questions about speedrunning in general

I'm having issues trying to get livesplit to work the way that I want to

[steady lynx]

Did you watch the same tutorial everyone has watched?

[steady lynx]

If Godhome is so great, why isn't there a Godhome 2?

[unique canyon]

Which one?

[steady lynx]

Isn't there like a smallant one?

[sturdy glade]

i think he made one

linkus made one too

that one's on the official site

[unique canyon]

Yeah I watched smallants

What I'm trying to do is set up the witness

[stuck raptor]

probably prudent to ask their discord

instead of hollow knight's

in case there's any game specific nuance

[unique canyon]

I don't even know if they have a discord

It's a super niche game

[stuck raptor]

not really

considering any% has 91 runners

[unique canyon]

Nvm I found it

[molten stratus]

I'm gay

[little solstice]

hey, so i recently made a downpatch for 1.2.2.1 (using steam console [speedrun.com tutorial])
and i find myself having extreme lag only in the downpatch (checked normal patch aka 1.5.78) any ideas?

not sure if this is the place xD

will send in #hk-help too

[formal bough]

1221 does generally lag more

[little solstice]

nah but like when i tried download 1.2.2.1 from hollow knight "betas" before i made a the downpatch it wasnt lagging

like i am speaking 15fps

[broken moss]

I really like your banner

:).

[flat mica]

Pov: Just got into Speedruning and fail over and over at watcher knights :/

[digital jewel]

what does that look like

[sturdy glade]

I love tuning quickly

I love discerning runes quickly

[wind rain]

Trying to route city whilst getting dive at the same time. I’ve came up with a peaks route to get ddark at the same time but I don’t know how to connect getting dive to peaks. Any help please?

[stuck raptor]

take the big elevator up, climb crossroads, enter peaks thru mila's room

[stable quarry]

We uchally just get city stag and stag to Crossroads or dirthmouth

[formal bough]

<@&283547423706447872>

[south herald]

rigato

[fallow spear]

any1 got an average speedrun for me to attempt

[steady lynx]

Idk, like, what category?

[fallow spear]

meme

[steady lynx]

4ms is pretty popular and considered entry level

[sturdy glade]

All glitches kingsoul all grimm kin all great knights

Or 4ms that too

[steady lynx]

It's just, getting 4 mask shards

easy to learn hard to master category

[fallow spear]

hmm

oh i coukd actually do that

i know all mask shard locations

[sturdy glade]

Do you know some of the skips

[fallow spear]

yh

[steady lynx]

Not to brag but I'm last place in 4ms NMG

[fallow spear]

wow

how many people attempted

[fallow spear]

1 HOUR

JESUS

[steady lynx]

WR is like 7 and a half minutes

[fallow spear]

i could do in like 10 minutes

srs bro?

1 hour?

[coral shore]

Yeah Gusten really sucks at the game

[fallow spear]

dont say that

[steady lynx]

I just picked mask shards poorly

[fallow spear]

a little harsh

theres the one in crossroads with the goams

theres one for brooding mawlek

and 2 from sly

not even that hard

[sturdy glade]

He's trash

He doesn't even have nosk% record

[fallow spear]

wow

[fallow spear]

that's a thing?

[sturdy glade]

Sadly

[fallow spear]

wow

[sturdy glade]

He doesn't even have src NMG Ghostbusters record

[fallow spear]

and for one of the worst bosses...

[steady lynx]

Clearly Seer shard, CG2 shard, Fungal core shard and flower quest shards aren't optimal for 4ms

[fallow spear]

ghostbusters is spirits glade right

[coral shore]

ghostbusters is all peaceful ghosts

[fallow spear]

wow

[steady lynx]

At least I have record in categories nobody runs

[fallow spear]

you gotta go queen's gardens cornifer for that

[sturdy glade]

Yeah

[coral shore]

All peaceful ghosts + revek *

[sturdy glade]

And cloth quest

[fallow spear]

oh shoot

[sturdy glade]

Revek is peaceful when you bust him

And vespa

[fallow spear]

you have to get shade cloak too???

[sturdy glade]

Yep

[fallow spear]

wow

theres a lot

[sturdy glade]

Gusteb

Explain aa

[fallow spear]

yk what

[steady lynx]

python can't talk about records until he takes All Bosses Hidden Dreams No Main Menu Storage record

[coral shore]

Gusten send me the pc components tbh

[sturdy glade]

Shit

[fallow spear]

in the morning 8am im gonna do 4ms speedrun

[sturdy glade]

I meant to do a run this weekend crap

[coral shore]

the most important of all rekkies

[fallow spear]

though hehe how do i submit if im on xbox and switch 🫠...?

[coral shore]

inb4 I'm gonna die to cg2 because mf teleports

[steady lynx]

It's really funny if you enable showing obsolete runs

[sturdy glade]

I spent several hours on cg2 when I was running through

[coral shore]

how much fps were you getting

[sturdy glade]

This gusten13 guy seems good

[coral shore]

because I was getting illegaly small numbers lol

[fallow spear]

can i even submit a run if im on xbox and switch and stuff

[coral shore]

Yes

[fallow spear]

how

[coral shore]

You can record it either using capture card or just record the screen using external camera

then submit the run on console categories

[steady lynx]

Console will always be timed real time from save select

[fallow spear]

that would be so low qual tho

[fallow spear]

yh console players cant cheat

[steady lynx]

Trust me, I'm a verifier, you'd actually have to try to even be on par with the worst quality I've seen

[fallow spear]

wow

[coral shore]

[fallow spear]

wait so i could do the run and rec it

[steady lynx]

Obviously not gonna call anyone out

[fallow spear]

then like just submit???

[coral shore]

Upload the vid on youtube and then yeah

just submit

[fallow spear]

if u dont mind or someone explain it like proper detail

[sturdy glade]

The video or 4ms

[fallow spear]

im new to speedrun

[fallow spear]

the vid

my first speedrun

[sturdy glade]

Ik it's your first run bro

[steady lynx]

Arconifer is a professional at this so I'll leave it to him

[fallow spear]

ok thx

[sturdy glade]

You're doomed

[fallow spear]

rip

idrm gettin slammed on the floor by your siblings isnt as bad as this

oh wait other wa round

[sturdy glade]

https://youtu.be/NDNt44uAg-Y

[fallow spear]

oh thx

ill watch in the morning and give an update

though i will do my research on the route now

i want to (maybe) set a record for my first

unless theres some crazy ass crap i know i cant pull off

[rapid nest]

might i interest you in 107 ag

[sturdy glade]

Start file vengefly pogo to grub pogo to brooding mawlek mask shard acid grub aspid arena vengefly pogo to goam covered path mask shard gruz mother save sly spike pogo room grub above stag wall grub guarded by big guy grub save and quit mask shard and geo from grub father save and quit mask shard from sly

[rapid nest]

all run routes should be required to be in copypasta format tbh

[sturdy glade]

Yessir

[fallow spear]

wha

whas that

[steady lynx]

A really bad idea

[fallow spear]

also i really cant imagine myself getting a record

[fallow spear]

what is its tho

[steady lynx]

I couldn't see myself getting records when I started either

And now I have All Achievements I guess?

[fallow spear]

wow

sick

[steady lynx]

107% is max completion on 1.3 and AG is that all glitches are allowed

[fallow spear]

oh wow.

[coral shore]

And abhd nmms

[fallow spear]

i could do 107%

but not ag

[steady lynx]

Soon I'll have all the AB records

Just gotta figure out ABGTAG route

[fallow spear]

imma be honest alr

107% is easy asf

i could do that np

but adding glitches to it would not work for me

[steady lynx]

There's a reason a lot of people run NMG categories

[fallow spear]

cus its tough af

[steady lynx]

I still have to figure out that reason, but there is one

[fallow spear]

that is?

[coral shore]

Glitches are not tough tbh

[sturdy glade]

I'll run 1.3 107 ag if someone sends me 3.7 USD on steam

[coral shore]

Like they are volatile but people are being way too scared of them

[sturdy glade]

oh yeah I'll have to do mms

[steady lynx]

Glitches are tough if you're running very optimized 1028 categories

A lot of them are easy enough for me to learn even

[sturdy glade]

or if you have a dumb brain and keep going through up transitions with noclip

[steady lynx]

You learn to not do that after a bit

[sturdy glade]

i still haven't

[steady lynx]

Have you done more than 2 runs

Honestly in AB I lost more runs to forgetting lamp than to failing glitches

[sturdy glade]

i keep trying to figure stuff out

i can't complete runs cause I'm bad

[steady lynx]

Just get python to guide you

We need more sub 1:30 runs

[verbal stag]

hmm

fighting any bosses without invuln tho

[steady lynx]

In ABBGNMMS you get to have Shade Cloak and you can dive invuln a lot of bosses for a small timeloss

[rapid nest]

meh it probably optimally only does mms one or two times

[steady lynx]

Main thing with 107 glitched is the massive amount of room dupes in noclip

[analog pawn]

A lot of dupes, xero, grimm, grubs, duping for faster travel

[rapid nest]

yep you're basically in a dupe for everything except colos and some of city

[steady lynx]

But colos are so funny and functional in dupes

[rapid nest]

if only, it would be so funny to just do colos while also doing grubfather or some other long task

[steady lynx]

Or loading two copies of colo 3 on top of eachother

So the LP runners can pretend they're on a good patch

[knotty vigil]

E Z P5 FOR 4MIN

[steady lynx]

Damn that's crazy?

[knotty vigil]

m

[soft wraith]

I beat Hollow Knight in 3 hours on my school laptop, only during school

[formal bough]

congratulations, do classwork

[steady lynx]

Just don't fail school to play Hollow Knight, congrats tho

[soft wraith]

I got straight A’s 💪

[fallow spear]

congratulations m8 thats sick

[arctic orbit]

actual gigachad

[supple lagoon]

that is based though

if you enjoy hk more then do it

there is nothing that is objectively wrong

[steady lynx]

I literally work at a school, I'm biased

[supple lagoon]

ok nice

it is fine if you find school to be important

[wind rain]

detention%

[soft wraith]

Heck nah i dont man this run took me like three weeks im tryna get a 4.0

[wind rain]

How much storage does your school laptop have man @soft wraith

[wind rain]

That’s pretty good storage ngl

My laptop only has 64gb

[soft wraith]

Fr i had no clue my laptop had so much

[silent gulch]

any% but i needed to go get shade cloak|| for watchers which meant defender > isma > hornet 2. my third ever speedrun, pretty proud of myself considering I had to do dark deepnest too

[sturdy glade]

you don't need to spoiler anything here

[thorn jasper]

you can reach hornet 2 without going through that acid pool. just go to the lower route and then come up near the markoth shade gate

[lofty flare]

Ok few questions, why didn’t you pick up lantern?

[silent gulch]

haven’t practised doing money yet

[stable adder]

i tried speedrunning, but i gave up on the first fireball skip (it was my first try)

[vagrant warren]

don't let skips turn you off, most of them are optional and/or have easier backups. Including the fireball skips

[stable adder]

true, i just try to finish as fast as possible, but if i don't include fireball skips, there is no way i am getting a good time

[sturdy glade]

Just learn squit version

[stable adder]

even if its just skurry's 101 egg category i will for sure find a way to fail a route and have to go back, and it makes me lose time

i have done that, but im worried about stuff like blue lake skip

i havent even finished base game yet, so im awful at fireball skips

[vagrant warren]

all 3 fireball skips literally save probably less than a minute (probably someone knows the actual timesaave but not me), maybe even less than 30 seconds

so, they're not make or break by any means for someone new to running

[stable adder]

doesnt blue lake require fireballs if you are going for early dreamnail for elder hu on the way to claw?

[vagrant warren]

If you're running TE, yes. Although it's still considered more of a shade skkip than a fireball skip. But if you're running TE before even beating the base game, I think you'll have some bigger problems than that LOL (you should really probably finish the game first)

[stable adder]

true

ima screenshare my bad attempt at a speedrun (probably going to fail in 2 seconds) in general 2

no elderbug = bad run

o

i forgot to get geo for shaman

failed speedrun.

[vagrant warren]

If you have trouble remembering your route, I'd recommend getting SplitGuides & notes formatted to work with it. It will automatically advance the notes with your splits

[lofty flare]

Skip the xenophobe for good luck

[lofty flare]

I mean not exactly but ig you could say that.

The dash Strat is near TAS levels of timing

[coral shore]

?

people do 0fb in runs

[lofty flare]

Oh I was thinking of oh nvm

Yeah 0fb won’t very bad ignore me

[coral shore]

wait genuinely curious what were you thinking of?

if that's not a secret ofc

[lofty flare]

Oh I was thinking of a dash strat I made nth too special just a different setup

It’s rly similar just the start is different.

So it’s a bit harder,

[lofty flare]

I think i found a more consistent CP idrop setup, could be useful, i can provide video

[sturdy glade]

Wdym

Like for a specific drop?

[lofty flare]

any drop

[sturdy glade]

Could you describe it rq

[lofty flare]

so basically you dash and then near immediately open your inventory, it can be a bit difficult to time but the momentum will carry you over the edge and is more consistent than the frame perfect trick the CP runners use today.

[sturdy glade]

How much more consistent

[lofty flare]

would show u what it looks like but im playing with the celeste mod

[sturdy glade]

Because uh from what I'm aware that should be identically hard

[lofty flare]

as in i can get it with 2 attempts (usually one to get to the edge, second to get to the drop) almost every time on my switch, while the actual idrop trick is really hard for me, could just be me but it feels much more consistent than the normal setup

[sturdy glade]

So you're on your switch

[lofty flare]

if you could just walk to the edge it would be even faster but its hard to do precision movement with a joystick because as much as i preach that dpad is better, its hard

[sturdy glade]

With mods?

[lofty flare]

No no, i use it for portable play, I haven't seen my computer since monday and was trying out this trick while in peaks

im on my pc now

[sturdy glade]

Also switch shenanigans

[lofty flare]

could also be that, i could try removing QoL and CelesteKnight and see what happens from there.

[steady lynx]

Dash inventory drops have been knows to be easier on 1.4 since like 2019

[lofty flare]

oh, im sorry I just haven't seen it before, my bad.

[steady lynx]

It's also patched on 1.5 which is a good reason to make fun of 1.5 runners

[sturdy glade]

I thought we made of 1.5 runners for probably not doing glitched

1575 supremacy

[steady lynx]

Nah

1028 supremacy

[lofty flare]

flukenest our lord and savior

[sturdy glade]

1114 is the funny flukes

[steady lynx]

Yeah, flukes is the most broken part about 1028

[lofty flare]

ohhh

[sturdy glade]

Soob isn't real

[steady lynx]

Absolutely not the funny map button

[lofty flare]

Ok what do you guys think the any% route would look like with this

[sturdy glade]

The most overpowered part of 1028 is explaining why you're on English

[lofty flare]

tbh it would die bc of up dashes and diagonal dashes lmao

[steady lynx]

I simply don't know Chinese

[sturdy glade]

My computer doesn't have enough pixels to render the small lines of the characters

[dusk zealot]

Am I the only one who did not do shade skip to blue lakes without using shade

Cause I did stall ball and dashed to blue lake

Wrong channel oops

[steady lynx]

[sturdy glade]

I'm so confused

[steady lynx]

I too do slopeball on a wall without slopes

[sturdy glade]

But dashed TOO blue lake

So you arrived after dashing

But they have dash

So this isn't about claw first

[lofty flare]

Wtf

[lofty flare]

Indeed, I do aswell.

[lofty flare]

Are you…sure about that one chief?

[stable quarry]

Clearly he did wcs to skip the shadeskip and did a stallball before dipping into blue lake

[dusk zealot]

Absolutely correct

[lofty flare]

Amazing.

[uneven dove]

guys i have a question

technically not a speedrun tho

if i want to do a dashless any% NMG do i have to do it alone or can i use hkmp

no mods

[supple lagoon]

you can do it alone lmao

what makes it impossible

you can literally just play normally except stallball into fungal

or fireball skip into queen's station

[uneven dove]

crystal peak is hard

but if it isnt that impressive compared to others i wont do it

[supple lagoon]

and?

[lofty flare]

Okay?

[coral shore]

I mean, you CAN do it with hkmp if you want but the run won't be submittable

[uneven dove]

ok

[lofty flare]

then practice it

[uneven dove]

nah tbh i dont rlly want to do this anyway

there are better categories

[sturdy glade]

Especially if you're willing to drop the nmg

[uneven dove]

what are the categories?

theres any% ending

any% true ending

112%

100%

100 and 112% true ending

any%godmaster

112% godmaster

room rando true ending

room rando godmaster

[lofty flare]

Room rando isn’t rly a category imo

Might be in modded categories on sr.com but i don’t rly remember correctly.

[steady lynx]

You forgot the best category

[lofty flare]

AB?

Oh fuck reply ping I hate life

[steady lynx]

Yes, and also don't forget the worst category

All Achievements

[lofty flare]

any% but he has that

I hate my own category because it makes me sadge

[lofty flare]

Nvm that’s worse

[vestal birch]

hey im new to hk speedruning and trying to do lever skip in cot what verson do i have to be in

[steady lynx]

You have to be on 1.2.2.1

[vestal birch]

thank so much 🙂

is that verson for all of the game or just this one skip

[steady lynx]

Some lever skips work on any patch, most are 1221 only though

[vestal birch]

ok so im useing fireb0res tutorail on setup is that ok

[lofty flare]

Yeah it’s fine

You trying any%?

[vestal birch]

any% nmg

this is all its doing

[wraith trellis]

1221 is available as a beta

And if you want more specific help, the pinned server will have more info

?tag steambetas

[sick raven]

Make sure you have the correct game version for your mods.
-Modinstaller takes version 1.4.3.2 (and is no longer support)
-Scarab takes version 1.5 (set beta to "None")
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283470827738103810/1024160413895639050/Untitled-1.png

[wraith trellis]

(but select 1.2.2.1 in your case)

[vestal birch]

thank you so mush everyone

much

[lofty flare]

You got the skips down?

[leaden halo]

i dnt know if it is viable but i found that in the bosses zote dung/white defender if u open ur inventory u can move during the screaming animation and you can deal damage

[stuck raptor]

that glitch is called storage and is not allowed in NMG categories

[leaden halo]

ok thanks

[stable quarry]

Inventory storage or is it atchally also called just storage

[stuck raptor]

storage is a broad term for anything where an animation or effect is interrupted.

more specific uses or variants of it have more specific names

like... "interaction storage"

"bench storage"

etc

[lofty flare]

main menu storage our lord and savior

[stable quarry]

MMS is great pre 1.4

Atchally not sure when ingame mms was patched but

[analog pawn]

1.3 like most things

[stable quarry]

I just don't like GMMS, though I have a WR in a run that uses it so

Isnialan get third place in myla% AG

[steady lynx]

1028 MMS

[analog pawn]

I have to boot up a patch after 1.2 to get third in myla% AG

[steady lynx]

Don't fall for it

Patches after 1.2 are a scam

[lofty flare]

I agree.

[hazy parcel]

as an Xbox player, can agree

[lofty flare]

Lmao 1432 the biggest scam of all

[hazy parcel]

I keep hearing that, but I've never really noticed any differences other than things like lever skips

not being able to lever skip though is annoying

[steady lynx]

🗺️

[coral shore]

[stable adder]

whoever was talking about me not trying to speedrun hollow knight without completing base game, im gonna try to speedrun on steel soul now

OMG

i just got mender bug on my steel soul speedrun

[rapid mantle]

What is the current any% WR?

[weary root]

4m36s

[rapid mantle]

💀wow....

Who holds that?

[weary root]

Staxis probably

[rapid mantle]

That's insane

Is it a different leaderboard for console btw?

[steady lynx]

[weary root]

Yeah there's a different leaderboard for consoles

Mostly cause pc has a load remover to keep times between different machines fair

[rapid mantle]

I get ya so console count loading screens in their time then?

[weary root]

But consoles can't use that so they're split by what console you're using to keep loads somewhat consistent between players

[weary root]

Yeah

[rapid mantle]

Makes sense. Any idea what the wr is on ps5 or where I could find it?

[weary root]

speedrun.com/hollowknight

[rapid mantle]

Tysm

[weary root]

There's a tab for console runs and then a tab for each console

[rapid mantle]

That's awesome!

[weary root]

Note: console runs don't have a glitched board because the glitches are a lot more limited

Mostly cause they're all on patch 1.4

[rapid mantle]

Are pc runs not done on latest patch then?

[steady lynx]

PC runs are done on any patch the runner feels like

Usually 1578, 1432 or 1221 for NMG

[weary root]

True

[stable adder]

how do you switch onto difference patches?

dfifferent*

[weary root]

There's a downpatching guide on speedrun.com

[rapid mantle]

That seems low-key unfair but I suppose if anyone can do it then it makes sense

[stable adder]

oh

thanks

[stuck raptor]

this is why the boards are also separated

anyone can downpatch

(on pc)

[steady lynx]

Some people have multiple patches installed so they can just swap at any time

[rapid mantle]

I wanna try n move to pc at some point ngl. I wanna speedrun HK and sekiro but both are kinda annoying to do on console

[steady lynx]

I even got one of those new fancy 1.5 patches recently

[stuck raptor]

lol

nice

[stable adder]

how can you even have that many patches

[sturdy glade]

Btw when did the Stardew crossover patch drop?

[weary root]

The stardew inclusion is a nice touch

[sturdy glade]

I think someone said last year but idr

[steady lynx]

It's been in that folder for over a year, I'm just too lazy to move it to the farming simulator tab

You'd be surprised how many of those I have

[stable adder]

tbh idek what 1221 patch does but ima use it cause why not

[steady lynx]

It just lets you skip cutscenes and hit levers through walls, also open inventory mid air but that's a small difference

[stable adder]

oh, current patch lets you inventory drop mid air too

[steady lynx]

Of course it does

Just have bench storage and you can open inventory anywhere

[stable adder]

wait

what happens after witness achievement

what happens to quirrel

[steady lynx]

He goes for a swim

Like a certain Australian PM

[stable adder]

i almost have 1221 patch but its still updating

it finished!11111

nvm it went backwarsd

backwards*

[steady lynx]

Just a small warning

1221 is slightly less optimized than the later releases

[stable adder]

meaning?

[stuck raptor]

not the route, the game itself

it runs much worse

[steady lynx]

Might run slightly worse on lower end PC's

[stable adder]

dang

[stuck raptor]

lag, requires more GPU resources, etc

[stable adder]

eh my pc is sort of high end

[stuck raptor]

if you run at 240 fps, it won't matter much

but there still may be some dropped inputs

[stable adder]

o

i cant move

[steady lynx]

input method?

[stable adder]

ohh

you have to put inputs in again?

[steady lynx]

Some controllers aren't supported by 1221

[stuck raptor]

like ps5

[stable adder]

oh, im using a pc

[steady lynx]

Or switch

[stable adder]

its working now i forgot to put my keybinds in

[stuck raptor]

lel

[steady lynx]

Also if you use a mouse it won't work if you quit to menu

Why someone would use a mouse for inputs is a question I ask myself a lot though

[stable adder]

ima screenshare on general

[steady lynx]

Especially for a 2D metroidvania

[stable adder]

bruh

1221 doesnt lemme screenshare

[rapid mantle]

[stable adder]

MY MODS ARENT EVEN ON 1221

[rapid mantle]

Unlucky boss

[lofty flare]

i dont think you understand how downpatching works but if you didnt backup your old ame fiels ur gonna have to redownload mods

[stable adder]

oh yeah i forgot

[lofty flare]

its not that bad chief

[stable adder]

why are the armored squits so big

[stuck raptor]

?tag 1221

[sick raven]

Current 1221 Modding Resources
The Modding API is not allowed to be installed for most runs. This is used for practice purposes.
🔸 Video Guides: https://youtu.be/cg7sH7FyAK0

🔹 1221 Modding API (needed to make other mods work): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835911691703156746/Assembly-CSharp.dll

🔹 1221 Debug (For giving/removing items, making save states, and more):
https://github.com/SkeppysFlipFlops/DebugMod-1/releases/latest/download/DebugMod.dll

🔹 1221 Benchwarp (warp to benches): https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611561427370054/835455873212088360/Benchwarp.zip

🔹 HKTimer (a simple in-game timer):
https://github.com/Yurihaia/HollowKnight-Timer/releases/download/v0.1.1/HKTimer.zip

🔸 MiniSaveStates for 1221 (cannot be used with other mods!):
https://github.com/Yurihaia/MiniSavestates/releases/download/1.2/Assembly-CSharp.dll

Note: MiniSaveStates is not compatible with other 1221 mods, but it is allowed for IL runs.

For more information about Hollow Knight Speedrunning, please join the official Discord for it, pinned in #speedrunning or found on https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight

[late raven]

what version of the game do most people speedrun?

[lofty flare]

depends on the category

[stuck raptor]

^

[late raven]

Any % no major glitches iirc

[lofty flare]

1221

[stuck raptor]

or 1432+

[lofty flare]

depends on the sub category

[stuck raptor]

depending on platform. and again.... category

[late raven]

ah

[stuck raptor]

any% nmg has 2 different patch categories

[late raven]

im wondering bc dont some skips not work in the latest version?

[stuck raptor]

correct

[stable adder]

uhh

[lofty flare]

lever skips you may notice don't work

[stable adder]

i think i just deleted save file

[lofty flare]

cutscene skips

[stable adder]

i installed "none" patch

[lofty flare]

none is current patch

[stable adder]

o

[lofty flare]

1.5.75, your old one

[stable adder]

i was about to ask if it was current

[late raven]

where can i find the runs for the latest version?

[stuck raptor]

speedrun.com/hollowknight

[lofty flare]

i dont have this many patches but im defo gonna get a 1.0 patch for flukes

[stable adder]

i rly need flukes

[lofty flare]

the latest beta, i believe is only used in AG and modded categories, 1.4.3.2 has a few categories aswell, some runners upload to yt

[lofty flare]

cp flukes arent as good as old patch

[late raven]

also wasnt fungal bomb skip and queens gardens crystal skip patched in the latest version?

[stable adder]

ik

[late raven]

i cant do them for my life lmao

[stuck raptor]

no

qga works fine

[lofty flare]

qga no

[stable adder]

i think QGA is possible

[stuck raptor]

and the bomb skip is different

but still doable

[stable adder]

u cant pogo off of explosions now right?

[lofty flare]

ye, gotta pogo the projectile

[stable adder]

imagine on a steel soul run and your low and forget its steel soul

rip run

[late raven]

i wanna see what the fastest route is with wings and tear are

[lofty flare]

tear i understand, why wings?

[stuck raptor]

to get to tear

[lofty flare]

wait do u need wings outside of the ismas skips?

[late raven]

yeah doing spell skip to get to tear is painful

[lofty flare]

why a spell skip

ohhh that one wall jump section yeah

so ppl get wings for the last acid skip?

[late raven]

its been a long time since i tried looking into the speedruns and tried one myself but i remember needing wings for tear iirc

[stable adder]

ima run steel soul but idk how to run speedruns and i have QOL

[stuck raptor]

you dont

[lofty flare]

I don't ever remember needing it but maybe thats just me

[stable adder]

im screensharing in general if anyone wants to see

[stuck raptor]

mods are not allowed for official runs

and QoL is not on 1221

[stable adder]

ik its more of a practice

[lofty flare]

wcs blue lake that isn't actually allowed unless theres a shade in the room

[stable adder]

i switched back to current patch

[late raven]

you need wings for tear if not doing spell skip i think right?

[lofty flare]

no?

[late raven]

oh

[stable adder]

i might run a randomizer if i lose this steel soul run tbh

[stuck raptor]

you need wings to even get to isma's without anything else

[stable adder]

im just practicing

[lofty flare]

without anything else

[stuck raptor]

with an air stall skip

wings/isma's route skips crystal heart

[lofty flare]

ohhhh

[stuck raptor]

so you have to do crazy stuff

[lofty flare]

i didnt know that

prob a bit slower then

[late raven]

yeah not trying to do a spell/air stall skip lol

[stable adder]

what patch is stall ball on?

[lofty flare]

current

[stable adder]

oh

[lofty flare]

u need vsync on for it to work

[late raven]

yeah

[stuck raptor]

isma's route is mostly a meme

[lofty flare]

this is the most active channel in the TAS discord

outside of general

probably faster and more fun for a TAS

[late raven]

whats a good route i can take without doing spell/air stall skip, bomb skip and queens garden crystal skip lol

[stuck raptor]

the normal any% route

just don't do those skips

you'll lose time, but just go around

[late raven]

just want to get a sub 2.5 or 3 hours tbh lol

[lofty flare]

well, most currently active ig

[lofty flare]

QGA saves 30 seconds

epogo around a minute

[stuck raptor]

you don't need a route for 3 hours

[lofty flare]

and you can skip all 3 fireball skips

(first one by...going under)

[stable adder]

tbh i forgot how to use scarab bc i dont have latest version and idk how to instlal

install

[stuck raptor]

if all you want is the achievement, just know where things in the game are. that's the biggest timeloss

[weary root]

Epogo is 20 seconds

[late raven]

yeah already got the achievement lol

[lofty flare]

no way mantis safari loses just 20 seconds

[late raven]

my first time record was 3:02 iirc

[lofty flare]

damn i got my times fucked up if thats true

[late raven]

looking to do it again but shorter

[stuck raptor]

explosion pogo saves like 20 seconds and qga only ~40s

[weary root]

It's only 1 extra room

[steady lynx]

Idk, Eisog used to have rekky in 0 geo AG, he knows what he's talking about

[lofty flare]

alright makes sense.

[stuck raptor]

not doing the fireball air stall will lose like.... 1 minute

all of these losses are inconsequential in a 3 hr run

[weary root]

Like true but also not a category that has anything to do with mantis safari

[steady lynx]

Even if you don't do the fireball skip you can just pogo Erik

[late raven]

gotcha

[steady lynx]

My chance to advertise 1.1.1.4

[late raven]

the only skip i somewhat know how to do is room to watcher knights, and blue lake iirc

[lofty flare]

are flukes ultra broken?

[steady lynx]

With 144 damage flukes and a very broken soundtrack

[stuck raptor]

lol. and for more than just damage

[lofty flare]

ok ok but do they have the enemy duplakills?

[steady lynx]

We legit kept some 1.1 only categories around just so we could show off colos on 1114

[verbal stag]

wait what about the soundtrack is broken

[lofty flare]

lmao

[steady lynx]

Truth Beauty and Hatred is extremely quiet on 1114 for some reason

[verbal stag]

hmm

[steady lynx]

Also like

[verbal stag]

guess I should do ab then

[sturdy glade]

Abhdnmms peepoarrive

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/_3F4j6u08C4?t=2864 1114 moment

[verbal stag]

sub 1:50 hundo first

[steady lynx]

I remember back in the day when the game would freeze up for several seconds on the Ghusk kill dupe

[stuck raptor]

hehe

game taking literally 10seconds to compute and load in the geo

[verbal stag]

I'm jealous of your 1114 inventory gusten lol

[lofty flare]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[stable adder]

anyone wanna see me try to speedrun steel soul but no skips

[steady lynx]

It's not as good for the elevator clips but I manage

[lofty flare]

alright lemme go get that patch

[lofty flare]

no skips cringeee

[steady lynx]

I probably save a lot of time on just the inventory not lagging

[stable adder]

i am doing squit pogo skip instead of vs skip tho

[sturdy glade]

You should do the better version of vs skip and skip vs

[stuck raptor]

just skip everything and give yourself all items in the first 10 seconds

ez

[sturdy glade]

30s

[stable adder]

lol, but it fits perfect in my route even tho it doesnt require spells

[final night]

Is it possible to do ||abyss shriek|| pogo on 1.4.3.3 PS4?

[steady lynx]

Once I manage to finish a good run of All Bosses Base Game No Main Menu Storage I'll come back to hundo NMMS

[steady lynx]

Probably

My 8ball says "All signs point to yes" so

You can probably pogo Abyss Shriek which you find in Abyss which is the upgrade for Howling Wraiths which is found in Queen's Garden while playing on the PS4 version

[steady lynx]

I even have some new colo strats I wanna try out

Not only the dive invuln so I can pick up geo, that should be pretty standard by now

[stuck raptor]

I don't know why I never thought of that....

🤦‍♂️

[steady lynx]

Mick legit, we didn't even realise it until very recently

[stuck raptor]

that alone would save like.... 2 minutes

maybe not that much, but a lot

and for free.

holy damn

[steady lynx]

I was watching some old runs when routing something and suddenly it just clicked

[late raven]

how in gods name do you do spell skip in greenpath to get to hornet

[stuck raptor]

use quick cast

[stable adder]

its still rly hard

[late raven]

i turn my stick right and do 2 fireballs then hold left but im either too low or not close enough

[steady lynx]

I think the only geo sources we get in hundo now is like, one seal, Ghusk explosion, Grubs and colos

[stuck raptor]

you turn the grubs in earlier now?

[steady lynx]

It's still pretty late but it lets us finish the Dirtmouth shopping pretty easily

[stuck raptor]

so you skip like the 2 minutes of idol duping then

nice

[steady lynx]

Idol duping was honestly the worst part of the run

[stable adder]

bro is lost

i was just tryna run steel soul and saw this

[stuck raptor]

agreed. it was just so fast.

glad there's faster ways tho

[steady lynx]

Now it's Gorb duping and the extra Pale ores from Nosk

[stuck raptor]

it just made so much logical sense to do it, so I never tried to reroute it

pale ores I always got from nosk anyway

nvm, didn't understand what you were saying

no more grub dupes?

[steady lynx]

We dupe three Grubs now

[stuck raptor]

or the vessel fragment above king station?

[steady lynx]

That VF is still duped as well

[stuck raptor]

was gonna say

that saves like 50 seconds

[steady lynx]

I think we dupe Gpath Cornifer Grub, City Spire Grub and one more...

[stuck raptor]

KE

[verbal stag]

hornet 2

ye

[stuck raptor]

those are the 3 that I duped

[steady lynx]

Yes, that one

[stuck raptor]

honestly, I'm just proud that most of my routing was pretty good

for only spending 3 hours on it

and glad that it's been improved

[steady lynx]

It's honestly amazing that it stood so well as a baseline

We even used parts of it when routing All Bosses which honestly is just 1xx lite

Also the shitpost 106% NMMS run I did just to show off how bad 1.2 is for glitched 1xx

[stuck raptor]

part of me doesn't want to accept that the route works. can't help but think that I completely missed stuff or routed things out of order

[stable adder]

i just realized how much i messed up in a speedrun

i forgot shaman stone was only 220

and collected 440

[stuck raptor]

didn't even collect the meme number

sadge

[steady lynx]

Usually you should pretty much end up with 220 without even trying by just playing up to Hornet

[arctic orbit]

Thank you for spoiling “||abyss shriek||”. A fragile soul would be terrified by such a heart-stopping phrase, and i myself have to admit that i was shocked by the phrase when i unspoiled it. God bless you for spoiling such a horrifying phrase.

[stable adder]

where are my coconuts

[supple lagoon]

hi

[lofty flare]

Hi Xeam

[tall coral]

did shade skip get patched

[steady lynx]

No

If the shade spawns in Gruzmom's arena you just died too far to the left in the room

[tall coral]

nvm finally got it

time for dream nail at 5 masks hehe

[late raven]

had a really good sub 1.5 hour speedrun but then i got to thk and took me 2 hours and still couldnt beat him with no spells, nail or shade dash

just deleted the save bc it took so long, thats so frustratingly difficult with no updgrades, spells, or anything

[keen obsidian]

If I want to start speedruning, what is most fun split?

[rapid nest]

definitely dreamnail split in low% nmms

[supple lagoon]

why no spells

[late raven]

Only spell being the fireball*

Most optimal to go for only that one bc that's all you need

Would waste time going for more

That is if you can do all the bosses first try lmao

At least from what I've seen in 1.5 NMGs Any % run

[supple lagoon]

just get ddark imo

[steady lynx]

At that point just run All Skills

[analog pawn]

run All Skills NMMS imo

[steady lynx]

As long as it's not on 1.3+

[analog pawn]

that is important

[valid sluice]

hi! I want to try and practice a bit of speedrunning hollow knight but im launching the ps5 version of the game. however I am using ps remote play to play on PC, is there any way to get a speedrun clock for that? or does it only work for the PC version of Hollow Knight?

[near nova]

Console runs are timed RTA while pc are timed igt

Rta = real time

Igt = in game time

[valid sluice]

right, does that mean pc runs are more precise then?

[lofty flare]

Yes

[valid sluice]

but consolue runs should overall still work?

[lofty flare]

As it accounts for loading times

[valid sluice]

ah so a console run will be visibly longer because the timer doesnt stop whenever the one for PC runs does

[lofty flare]

There are categories that use the patch 1.4.3.2, which is the patch all consoles have, aswell as categories specifically console based.

[valid sluice]

ah okay thats good to know thank you!

And what software should I use to get a speedrun clock for console?

(provided that I stream the console on my pc)

[lofty flare]

There is an Any% NMG 1.4.3.2, but yeah I believe you just use the time at the end, the whole “completion time” thing.

[lofty flare]

If you have a pc I would just play on it, though I understand not wanting to buy the game on steam and a console.

[valid sluice]

Like I use PS remote play to stream it on my laptop

[lofty flare]

I’m curious though, does console streaming allow you to run console games and laptop applications at the same time or just one?

[lofty flare]

A laptop can also run HK

[valid sluice]

I only know for my Playstation since i never really tried streaming my switchc and I dont have an xbox

but

[lofty flare]

It’s better with PlayStation due to it’s more built in and optimized remote play iirc

[valid sluice]

the ps remote play is a laptop app and it streams the whole console

so you can use both the whole console and any other laptop app at the same time

[lofty flare]

Oh okay well if that’s the case I believe you can use an igt, which is what pc runners use

[valid sluice]

well yes but theres the issue that I dont have pc version of hollow knight xd

[valid sluice]

ahh thatd be amazing Ill check, do you know any software that works well as a speedrun clock? or does everyone use the same one anyways?

[lofty flare]

Like 15 USD which is nice but yeah if you already have it on 2 devices I wouldn’t buy it again, would allow for usage of practice mods and downpatching to a faster patch

[valid sluice]

hmm good point, but I'd play on ps controller either way and if theres already a console + console patch category it seems kinda pointless to me to get it again

[lofty flare]

It’s a program called livesplit, and I might be able to find you a link of how to set it up, gimme 2 minutes, and yes often we all use the same one because it has hundreds of games and is very optimized with customizable hotkeys.

[valid sluice]

since it doesnt really matter to me which category I try, especially since its my first time trying and practicing speedrunning anything anyways

[valid sluice]

ah thats super nice thank you!

[lofty flare]

Gtg tho soz

[valid sluice]

but yes to answer your earlier question, I managed to play HK and watch netflix at the same time yesterday without it lagging (which is a miracle with my laptop)

[digital jewel]

remote play is on a console, the video is just being streamed to your PC. so you would only have the option of RTA as livesplit won't work

[valid sluice]

no worries! thank you!!

[valid sluice]

right, and for RTA it doesnt really matter which clock I use?

[digital jewel]

no it doesn't. you could even not have a timer and only time the video after recording if you wanted

[valid sluice]

ahh thats a good point, so then Id only need something to clip everything

which I do anyways

[lofty flare]

Oh I forgot about that

I’m sorry for the bad info

[quartz rover]

hey i wanna learn how to speedrun 112% any tips

[vagrant warren]

Join the pinned server, there's channels for various categories & notes are available on hksplitmaker

[knotty vigil]

I@ trying to di a speed run what’s the best one to do for a neiwbiw

[weary root]

For leaderboard, or for the achievement?

[knotty vigil]

Leader board

[weary root]

Most popular beginner categories are probably any% nmg and All skills nmg, I'd recommend joining the speedrunning discord (link in the pins of this channel) and checking out the pins in #welcome

[plucky swift]

I just did my first speedrun guys (3h 19m) to get speedrun 2 and I spent 40 minutes on thk attempts

[steady lynx]

Hollow Knight protip for epic gamers, if you keep getting floaty wing jumps you can just open inventory to cancel it

If you play on 1.3+ you'll want bench storage to open inventory anywhere

[valid sluice]

I did the same thing today!! With the same time even, also struggling a bit at HK! But well done!

(I played on console, didn't know the achievement doesn't exist there....)

[steady lynx]

That'd be on PS4 or PS5

[supple lagoon]

what are floaty jumps

[steady lynx]

When wings don't work properly

[analog pawn]

Good pro tip! I'll do that

[gentle spindle]

Hello. Can someone explain to me how the glitch works with main menu storage?

[steady lynx]

I heavily doubt you will

You don't play 1.3+

[supple lagoon]

isn't bech storg hard

[steady lynx]

Only if you have literally no idea what you're doing

[supple lagoon]

I have no idea

[steady lynx]

It's simple really, just store text, bench, open inventory, mash through text and enter a load

Or you can use cdash

[analog pawn]

Main Menu Storage can be used for a lot of things, I'm assuming you mean Godhome main menu storage. You open up the close game prompt and close it, then you open it up on the same frame that the normal main menu loads in. This makes it so that you have two menus stacked on top of each other. From there you can enter file select on the first menu and then on the second. After that you can load a godseeker file followed by a normal file and will start the game with all abilities

[quartz rover]

im practicing 112% current patch i am gonna practice vengeful any tips

[quartz rover]

you can do that??

[analog pawn]

Yes, but it's only legal in all glitches

[quartz rover]

damn ig ill try it even tho idk how it works

[quartz rover]

can u teach me

[analog pawn]

sure, have to do something else first though

[gentle spindle]

Has the recruitment process for the glitches training course started?

[analog pawn]

I'm always happy to help teach glitches if people ask, preferably in the pinned server though

[gentle spindle]

It seems to me that the hollow knight is trolling me

[subtle coral]

What is the problem?"leave the game" pops up?

[grand idol]

can someone help me

[analog pawn]

That can happen, it's slightly wrong timing

[grand idol]

im new to the game

and need help beating the lost kin

msg me if you have advice

[gentle spindle]

I wanted to perform a main menu storage glitch - got a broken logo.

[gentle spindle]

Understood

[subtle coral]

Did not know about it lol

[stuck raptor]

#hk-help channel is for this. not speedrunning

[gentle spindle]

By the way, isnialan, is it necessary to have superimposed rooms to clone a Monomon?

[analog pawn]

I think you need it on latest patch

I feel I should just send this at this point https://youtu.be/fkJ7TI4d0EQ

[gentle spindle]

I also have to translate videos?

[analog pawn]

it goes through how to do a lot of things better than I can through text

so watch it if you want

[valid sluice]

I just beat my time by almost a whole hour 😎

[gentle spindle]

I got it, thanks for the link to the video.

[knotty vigil]

what about elegy% 😦

[verbal stag]

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[knotty vigil]

my genuine reaction

[late raven]

Hell yeah new PB. Before it was 3 hours 2 mins

almost half my previous time, all because I wore the zote skin

[vast fiber]

Question, I'm used to keyboard, but for the people who have tried both, which is more comfortable or optimal for speedrunning? Would it be worth it to switch? Or stay what I'm used to?

[stuck raptor]

There is no competitive advantage to either input method

So play what you're most comfortable with

[jagged vault]

bonus point for playing with donkey kong bongos

[stable quarry]

Keyboard has a wery wery slight advantage imo

In glitched it depends on the category. Both might be best tbh

[lofty flare]

Better yet, playing with a steering wheel.

[lofty flare]

Yeah, because of the more precise and consistent movement, but the problem with that is unless you can press your key in a specific way, keyboard has 2 modes, full speed and no speed.

[verbal stag]

thats just how the game is, its not a kb specific thing

[steady lynx]

Personally I prefer the chainsaw

It's not as inconvenient as the bongos but you do look ridiculous

[winter coral]

Resident evil 4 GameCube chainsaw controller

[steady lynx]

Nah

Resident evil 4 Playstation 2 chainsaw controller

Only for Gamecube btw

[winter coral]

Ah ok

[steady lynx]

One day I'll actually figure out how to open the box

[lofty flare]

My favorite controller is wayward compass

[lofty flare]

Same bro. Same.

[steady lynx]

How my grandfather explains how his trip to school was

[lofty flare]

Hwhat

[steady lynx]

It's simple

You just get airwalk and jump out of it

[vast fiber]

Bongos it is then

[vast fiber]

👍

[valid sluice]

How do you manage at such a low percentage? I usually end at around 27%

[stuck raptor]

get less stuff

[late raven]

False knight, gruz mother, shaman stone, dream nail, watcher knights, crystal heart, uumuu, thk, and all dreamers

And maybe like 1 grub lol

Mantis claw

[valid sluice]

Ahhh that's impressive

I include izmas tear and soul master when I play

But I'm not advanced at all when it comes to speedrunning so there's that hahaha

[late raven]

Yeah I used to go for isamas and wings before

But I found out you can skip using crystal heart to get to uumuu in forgotten crossroads

Just very hard to get off tho lol

[valid sluice]

Right, wings aren't necessary though since you can skip easily but the izmas tear skips seem alot harder

[late raven]

That run took me watcher knights 3 tries, uumuu 2 tries and thk 1st try

[valid sluice]

Damn that's impressive

[late raven]

Yeah 💀

[valid sluice]

I still struggle against thk but I haven't played against it that much yet

I usually also get spelltwister pair it with shaman stone and spam descending dark

[late raven]

It took me like 10 minutes for isamas skip in crossroads lol

[late raven]

What helped me is upgrading the nail once after selling to lemm

[valid sluice]

Well that just means perfecting that means alot of time improvement is still possible!

[late raven]

Indeed lol

[valid sluice]

Yess I do too, yesterday I found out if you're quick (and slightly lucky) you can heal during his phases

Because I was kinda relying on taking max 2 hits per phase so I can heal when he's staggered

Makes the fight slower but more calm for me

Until he spams his fire pillar ability 4 times and I just die in 5 seconds

[late raven]

Lmao yeah it helps with my sanity so I'm not stuck for an hour lol

[valid sluice]

Absolutely yeab

[late raven]

Last time thk took me 2 hours on base nail lmfaoo

[valid sluice]

I actually only started getting into "speedrunning" two days ago

On day one I got 3:10 and Yesterday I already improved it to 2:16

[late raven]

Hell yeah

That's a good improvement

[valid sluice]

But then I'm not sure if I should Stick to speedrunning.. I didn't even beat radiance or any pantheon but the first yet.

So I guess there's still plenty of challenges for me to do!

[valid sluice]

Thank you!

Felt pretty good, unfortunately there's not really a comparasion since there's only like 30 submissions overall for console runs

[acoustic gale]

If u feel like sticking to speedrunning then go for it, it's all about enjoying yourself anyway

[late raven]

I would recommend just getting as familiar with the game as possible

Yeah and if you enjoy it go for it

just don't lose your mind fighting and dying to thk for two hours with base nail lmao

[stuck raptor]

speedrunning is primarily about self improvement and fun imo. it's about competition only after those

[valid sluice]

Hmm good point

I mean I consider Hollow Knight my favourite game since like a year and I have more than 100 hours so I think I should deffinetly try to complete a file to 112% as well as trying to get to speedrunning it

[valid sluice]

That's true! And having your time show up on a speedrun leaderboard feels pretty cool! No matter which place

[acoustic gale]

Yeah it's always a cool achievement

[valid sluice]

Yess

Well technically speaking, console run I'd be placed 28 worldwide

But that's because there's only 30 submissions.

[late raven]

is it technically possible to only beat hk with mantis claw and vengeful spirit?

[stuck raptor]

you need dream nail

and crystal heart

I'm assuming you're talking NMG ruleset. lowest % you can beat the game with is 11% for that ruleset

[late raven]

ah

very impressive

is crystal heart actually required tho?

[stuck raptor]

how else you getting to monomon

[late raven]

idk if its possible to do crossroads acid skip with mantis, dash, and fireball skip lol

ah wait

yeah monomon

[digital jewel]

the problem is inside archives getting to the dreamer itself

[rapid nest]

ooma pogos

[lofty flare]

It’s possible but you gotta get to monomon and that would be 11% anyway

[rapid nest]

that would actually be 12% since hornet is 1% and cloak is 2%

[knotty vigil]

do you need crystal heart?

im pretty with spell twister you could get there but ill have to test it

[verbal stag]

even if you could, good luck getting out

[knotty vigil]

yeah true i forgot dreamers force you to respawn in front of them

and no i just tested it, you need dash

[lofty flare]

Spell twister is another%

Saves 1% but won’t work on its own.

So actually gains one

[knotty vigil]

yeah because hornet and dash is 2% which is annoying

[lofty flare]

Trust me, I doubt you’ll find a % loss, this has been tested over years.

[lofty flare]

All movement and kings brand are 2.

[knotty vigil]

oh really? wtf i never knew that

[lofty flare]

It might happen, but it’s not likely

[lofty flare]

Ismas, cdash, wings, dash, claw, and brand

[knotty vigil]

tearless, cdashless and clawless seems barely doable. if only you could use dash

[lofty flare]

Clawless is possible but I believe only with shrogo

Not possible in low%

[knotty vigil]

each are doable on their own, im talking about at once

[lofty flare]

Cdash less clawless can be done if you do a wacky shade skip to wings to do acid skips.

And do shrogo to get to lurien

[knotty vigil]

wings requiring another 3% actual pain

[lofty flare]

Yep

TE only requiring 23% is another crazy fact of life

and it only takes as long as many of us did to get our first ending, sometimes shorter.

[knotty vigil]

yeah i remember that. it was because of stall ball or smth right?

[lofty flare]

Yep

Added 5 hours to it tho

[knotty vigil]

its surprising that killing bees over and over again for 1300 essence for them to drop a 1/200 single essence is faster than a playthrough

[lofty flare]

Fr

[viscid sparrow]

Just got my first ever sub hour run on current patch NMG any%

feeling good

[late raven]

hell yeah nice! Thats really impressive

[latent blade]

can someone send me a link on the speedrunner timer cause im planning to speedrun hk 😄

[weary root]

?livesplit

just google livesplit

[latent blade]

ok thank you

[analog pawn]

It's only doable with glitches

[weary root]

clawless AG is probably very similar to low% tbh

clawless nmms could be interesting

[rapid nest]

with dgate its definitely possible

nmg i mean