speedrunning

[stable quarry]

Atleast for sub hour if nothing else

[steady lynx]

Dashless spike tunnel tho

It is possible

[arctic orbit]

mmm

Well gusten

[stable quarry]

On 1221?

[steady lynx]

On 1.3+

[arctic orbit]

I cant do dash slash spike tunnel, because my attack is bound to X, my jump is bound to A and my dash is bound to B

[steady lynx]

Swap binds

[stable quarry]

Just bind attack to right trigger like normal people

[arctic orbit]

Never

This is what movement with dash slash looks like

This is why I don’t run AS

[steady lynx]

Why did you bind dash to the focus button

[arctic orbit]

It was 2 years ago ok, my brother said the bind was good

And it is good

Except for dash slash

[steady lynx]

Däsch släsch

[keen kettle]

is 1432 any better than 1578 for current patch nmg?

[wicked trench]

In 1432 Watcher Knights are easier: in 1.5+ they have a ""new"" (it was old but wasn't in game) move that gives them more randomness
1.5 runs a little better (should run? I never tried it) because they fixed some issues
I'd say 1432 is better than 1.5+, but probably there are argument that goes the other way

[weary root]

You can have multiple buttons bound to the same action
So for all skills I bind nail to RB because there is no need for a map button and it's much easier to hold for nail arts

[arctic orbit]

Oh interesting, I should try that

[arctic orbit]

1432 is objectively better because

1. No backrolls
2. Better devout skip
   The two patches both run very well, but 1432 has a lot of gameplay advantages

[keen kettle]

devout skip?

the damage tank thing?

[arctic orbit]

In beasts den, yes

[keen kettle]

I still haven't learnt how to do that

probably should

[arctic orbit]

Yep

[keen kettle]

I usually end up on low health/soul when I get there anyway

[arctic orbit]

But yeah, 1432 is better, especially for newer runners who often struggle with wk

[keen kettle]

alr I'll try 1432 then

[arctic orbit]

You can quit out and do devout skip, you don’t need any soul for devout skip

[keen kettle]

oh ok

also idk if this is meant to happen but on current patch I get slowed down for a couple of seconds after using the lift to city of tears

[arctic orbit]

Yep, that’s normal

[keen kettle]

alr

[stable quarry]

That is why rafters route is so comfy you get a "free" full heal

[arctic orbit]

Exactly, there do exist some people (like me ) who just really don’t like rafters skip or just the city route and prefer the old, but rafters is way better for den

The only downside to rafters is that its main skip is a bit difficult, other than that it’s better than the vk city route

[stable quarry]

Just do left side smh

[fading tree]

is QoL allowed in any% NMG?

cuz like i cant do inventory drops without QoL

[verbal stag]

you can't have any mods or even have the modding api installed if you want to submit to the leaderboards

[fading tree]

oh

wat the heck

how am i supposed to do inv drop!

[verbal stag]

you can do it right as you walk off a ledge

midair inv drops are only possible on older patches

[fading tree]

it has to be like frame perfect

[verbal stag]

yes

[fading tree]

sad

:(

[verbal stag]

they aren't a big deal though

[fading tree]

really

im kinda new to speedrunning

[verbal stag]

they save maybe a couple seconds over the whole run

[fading tree]

hmm

i see

wait do we get dive in any% or no

no right

[steady lynx]

not usually

[vagrant warren]

If you were serious and haven't seen this, yes actually: https://twitter.com/ins0mniaSR/status/1595772700718673920?t=8RPrTAvDzJfg3qVHn4Gvvw&s=19

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[fading tree]

wtf

[steady lynx]

I really hope this isn't in any normal rando logic

[knotty vigil]

It could be

Every rando save is personalized after all

[steady lynx]

True

[fading tree]

which category is ur guys' favorite

for me definitely path of pain

[verbal stag]

106

[steady lynx]

My favourite categories are All Bosses, 100% TE and All Achievements

Also Nosk%

[fading tree]

thats an interesting one never heard of it b4 til now

[fading tree]

oo yes

all bosses

ive been trying to perfect path of pain

my 2 best runs so far have been 4mins and 3:20

but i used QoL so i wont be submitting them

[weary root]

path of pain speedruns are fastest on recent patches so optimally don't get to use inv drops anyway

[knotty vigil]

Has anyone done thorns skip skip on 1221

[rocky current]

Is it weird that my fastest run was in steel soul

[steady lynx]

no

[rocky current]

It wasn't that good but it was ok for my first true speedrun

Just under 3 hours

[weary root]

Probably not but it should be doable

[rocky current]

I can't do thorns skips period

[knotty vigil]

It’s really precise, yeah

[rocky current]

I took 4 hours to do path of pain first try

Second try it took me 20 minutes

People can do it in a minute 50 and I cant do it within ten minutes

[knotty vigil]

That’s a tas

Wr is 1:59

Tas is 7 seconds faster or so

[rocky current]

Really

Wow

[knotty vigil]

Yeah, crazy

[rocky current]

I have trouble doing simple acid skips and they can do this

[vagrant warren]

Well they probably have many more hours in the game than you

[pearl torrent]

"oh how many hours do you have on that game?"

"Probably around a thousand."

"Oh wow you must be really good at it!"

Suffering intensifies

[knotty vigil]

🥹

[steady lynx]

I don't even have much time

But I also suck at the game so

[stable moon]

wait is that your real playtime

[steady lynx]

On PC yeah

By sheer force of nonsense I have the most "main" board records as well

My favourite is GE AG, really put a lot of work into that

[alpine oracle]

I bet the game in 86 hours true ending. A new pb

😁

[pearl torrent]

Nice! Now you just have to do it in 20 hours for the achievement!

[rocky mist]

Hey guys I am new here and wanted to switch to keyboard controls.
Are there some recommended settings, that the pro speedrunners are using on keyboard?

Thanks in advance

[vagrant warren]

Runners use lots of different setups. I know in the speedrun server (in pins) many have posted their layouts

[stable quarry]

Generally just don't use mouse binds and use socd from https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/resources

[knotty vigil]

My movement binds are weird according to some people

It’s literally just rearranged arrow keys

[stable quarry]

What are they?

[knotty vigil]

OKL;

‘ is my inventory button

[stable quarry]

So just right side wasd?

[knotty vigil]

Yeah pretty much

[stable quarry]

Seems fine some use asdf

As arrow keys

[knotty vigil]

Lol

[vagrant warren]

Lots of people like mouse, you just need either blue.exe or turquoise.exe if you're running on old patches. There's nothing inherently bad about it

[knotty vigil]

Ik a few people who use mouse and they’re fine with it

[stable quarry]

Well I wouldn't reccomend switching to mouse but if you allready use mouse thats fine. Also it just adds more stuff you have to have running which can't be good for your fps.. etc

[true palm]

blue.exe is pretty light weight

and its only needed on 1.2.2.1

the main thing with mouse is its just less buttons on your dominant hand so its inherently harder if ur not used to it

[supple lagoon]

I did EtV in like 70hrs first playthrough

[analog orchid]

I'm a mouse lover, mouse superiority

[supple lagoon]

how can I not screw up movement

[verbal stag]

practice

[supple lagoon]

wait do you need to have a time with loads in livesplit?

got a 1 29 37 that I think can get submitted

can get sub 1 15 00 if I practice more

[weary root]

you can find out your time with loads if you right click -> edit splits and click on the real time tab

[supple lagoon]

for some reason my splits didn't save

[weary root]

ah make sure you always say yes when it asks if you want to save splits

[supple lagoon]

ok thxs

[weary root]

you can just use the timestamp that the timer turns green and minus it form the timestamp that it ends

doesn't need to be super accurate as the time without loads is what we compare runs with

[supple lagoon]

also what does splits i/o mean

[weary root]

it's a field so others can download your times to compare against, doesn't really matter

[supple lagoon]

k thxs

[young bobcat]

Hi I wanted to start out with speed running hollow knight any tips? I’m Xbox btw

[stable quarry]

Just general tips would be watch other runners. Practice the things you struggle with and most importantly have fun

Wait I for got another important thing join the pinned server and ask a ton of questions. Preferably stupid ones that's how you learn

[knotty vigil]

Some of the speed run tactics won't really work for you because your on console but there are def other ways to save time so just keep practicing

[stable quarry]

I don't know any speedrun tactics that work on 1432 that wouldn't work on console.

[knotty vigil]

Can u veng spirit skip and that on console because I thought you needed quick cast and if I'm not mistaken your not giving a quick cast option for console

[stuck raptor]

quick cast is a vanilla, normal control. so yeah, you can

[knotty vigil]

Oh got you

[manic kite]

1 29?

I got 2:54 on my best try

[stable quarry]

Also people should stop using the HK ingame timer lol

[vagrant warren]

Because consoles are timed RTA rather than loadless, some save quits don't actually save time

[stable quarry]

I know there are some in all skills that doesn't save time but in any% I doubt it

[vagrant warren]

Well, they didn't say what category they're interested in

[stable quarry]

So far I haven't seen anyone in this chat posting anything else than any% or speedrun achivement runs...

[vagrant warren]

There's literally 3 mentions just yesterday of All Skills

And it's equally recommended with any% as a starting category, so for a beginner I would never assume

[stable quarry]

Runs..

[stable quarry]

True though

But I would reccomend getting the toll bench anyways when starting out because doing it without it is rough

[vagrant warren]

I mean, not many runs get posted here at all LOL, this channel is just here to funnel to HKSR. but I've certainly seen all skills & also PoP and a handful of other things from time to time.

[dense pilot]

Hey I've recently tried a few speedruns and I suck at watcher knights- anyone got any tips?

[arctic orbit]

Here’s another one, where you can see that I’m behind on rta and ahead on igt

[chrome cobalt]

Is grass% a real category or is it just a meme? cause I can't seem to find it on speedrun.com

[arctic orbit]

It’s a meme

There exist meme/misc cats on the hollow knight category extensions boards, but grass% is not on there

It is simply a terrible category

[weary root]

Grass% is on the meme sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSHyJ2ZdtTPvoudRJ_VAW_an61MumAHdsQOm4Z9wvn_ou73rxX9w9ydb_lDuyOTCnXvmb68HlMrjPYa/pubhtml#

[arctic orbit]

Oh right it’s on quacksheet, forgot

[steady lynx]

Quacksheet, where bad categories and Nosk% go

[arctic orbit]

TRUE

[true palm]

this is because the igt doesnt count pause time, or quitouts

each quitout is roughly 16s rta the igt doesnt give a shit about

[true palm]

join server in pins

theres lots of guides in there

[sinful kindle]

one quetion, a new pop wr have just been made, (1:58.74) but in r1 and r2, there was a bug where the overloading wasnt shown, will this be a problem?

[weary root]

link to the video?

oh overcharming?

[sinful kindle]

yeh

[weary root]

yeah that's a very common visual bug

but it wouldn't be a problem for the run being verified at all

[sinful kindle]

the runner just deleted the video cuz she thinks it wouldnt pass...

Im gonna tell her

[weary root]

there are certainly many runs on the leaderboard that have this same bug

[woven fjord]

need help downpatching to 1.2.2.1 ofr nmg any%

[weary root]

are you on steam?

[upper parrot]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Pe4y1V7Jq/?spm_id_from=444.41.list.card_archive.click&vd_source=6cbee22b574ec25eb6d7d9665fc5a08c

new pop wr

[subtle slate]

Whatsup boys, I was thinking about running hollow knight. Never speedran a game before and I don't want to overwhelm myself with shade skips etc so I was gonna ask:

Does anyone have a simple route to run and also how do you track your splits?

[weary root]

if you're looking for an easy route and not interested in any skips I would recommend recommend the route in Fire's 5 hour achievement guide which can be found here 🔽

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This channel is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[weary root]

A lot of runners got into the game from trying this and then doing it faster and then delving into more skips and official routes

as for splits you want livesplit

[subtle slate]

Ah greatly appreciate the help my friend

[weary root]

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl
guide for setting up livesplit here^

no worries good luck on your runs

also highly recommend messing about with skips just for fun, you'll find most of them aren't as bad as they seem

[round topaz]

maybe i'm just stupid; but how can i split a transition from crossroads to greenpath?

[coral shore]

Not stupid. It should be something like "Enter Greenpath (Transition)"

[weary root]

use hkspitmaker (there's a link in the pins)

[round topaz]

thank you!

[azure root]

@sonic yacht this fellow is so foolish 😂

[tepid ember]

Does anyone know the link to the category extension extension spreadsheet?

[steady lynx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSHyJ2ZdtTPvoudRJ_VAW_an61MumAHdsQOm4Z9wvn_ou73rxX9w9ydb_lDuyOTCnXvmb68HlMrjPYa/pubhtml#

[tepid ember]

Thank you 🙂

[surreal temple]

d

[stable quarry]

Should have made them join the server smh

[steady lynx]

People can read my name

[vestal nexus]

whats the fastest way to crystal peak

[drowsy mauve]

Anyone got tips for dshield baldur kill

[proud cove]

I'm having trouble with auto splitter. The problem here is that the timer doesn't start when I start a game. it just stays at 0.00. Although I can start the timer manually, only the real time works, but game time just stays at 0. I'm running the latest version of hk via steam. Even if I start it manually, the timer doesn't move. I made the splits on hksplitmaker, but they are custom splits. maybe i have to tell livesplit where my hk directory is, but idk. any help greatly appreciated.

[vagrant warren]

is the autosplitter enabled in livesplit & the autosplit showing properly? And are you opening livesplit after the game is already open?

[proud cove]

Ohh, you're right! but do I have to import all these things manually, or can I add some sort of file?

[stuck raptor]

you can do either

hksplitmaker.com gives you a file. but you can also select autosplit events yourself in that menu

[vagrant warren]

Sometimes hksplitmaker doesn't properly download the autosplits, so you can just try redownloading

[proud cove]

You were right again, but although the auto splits are loaded, it still doesn't work. Only real time works, not game time

[vagrant warren]

I'd suggest joining the speedrun server in pins & in the Tech Support channel there's a Livesplit Troubleshooting checklist that's pinned with a lot of info.

[proud cove]

how do i get there

[mossy brook]

?tag pins2

[sick raven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985794659894829117/1035994029378256986/unknown.png

[proud cove]

alright my bad

But I think I found the issue

You see, I'm a MacOS user and I run LiveSplit through an app called crossover. The program works great (I've even used it to speedrun mc and other games), but the only prob is that in steam the game is called hollow_knight.app instead of hollow knight.exe. I'm thinking if there's a way to tinker with the source code or I might just have to run Hollow Knight through windows...

[weary root]

iirc the problem with mac and the main reason there isn't an auto splitter for it is that mac has security features that prevents accessing the game data. So even if you could get it to point in the right place MacOS will stop livesplit from reading the data and starting/splitting/load removing correctly

[proud cove]

hmm

[proud cove]

but like i said it worked for other games

[true palm]

most people boot camp if they're not on the m1 chip

[proud cove]

I am

[true palm]

other games have different positions

[proud cove]

what do you mean?

[true palm]

permissions i mean

i wont know full details

i think parallels will work?

its bootcamp but for m1

[proud cove]

i mean i can try it

[true palm]

idk any details

just a quick google search

but thats where id look

[proud cove]

i've used parallels before

[true palm]

even if you get the autosplitter modded to work for mac it'd need to be tested and approved

the linux one for example has been out for a while but its still not approved officially

[proud cove]

right

well at least i'd be able to see my best times

[true palm]

well if parallels works you won't need to do any more work so ping me when you know

[proud cove]

paralells is a pain to start and i need to reinstall windows so i think maybe another time

thanks

for helping

[true palm]

in the mean time timer mod is an in game timer that removes the loadds

so good for practice, timing stuff, wont work for submissions

[kind iris]

Has a natural Punn in its name, good channel.

[iron wind]

does someone know what a good starting category is for someone that is new to speedrunning

[stable quarry]

I reccomend any% and all skills. Any% has harder bosses but is shorter and all skills. Though I also reccomend playing around with category extensions https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes?h=0_Geo-1.4.3.2_NMG&x=wkpvrqjk-r8rg9k2n.5lmym9ml

[stray elm]

Any tips on how to do the VS skip to get to hornet 1? I’ve been using the one mob that spawns on the floor below as a way to pogo up cause I haven’t been able to get it right

[stuck raptor]

use quick cast

[stray elm]

Wdym?

[stuck raptor]

the button

quick cast

[stray elm]

I’m on switch

[stuck raptor]

so?

switch still has quick cast

look in your control binds

[stray elm]

Oh, alright

[stuck raptor]

cast after the jump apex
https://youtu.be/yeiD3xcHXmM

[iron wind]

thx

[pseudo pasture]

What's den quitout?

[digital jewel]

quitting out at the start of beast's den to refill health

it's possible to do because of the discovery of a consistent(?) avoidance strat for the first devout in den

which you previously needed to maintain full soul in order to get past

[pseudo pasture]

oh thx

[stable moon]

yeah it’s consistent with the exception that some rng has to be dealt with differently and can make you take more damage

[drowsy mauve]

dreamshield baldur kill is gonna be my demise

[stable moon]

theres ways to avoid it, what are you running?

[arctic orbit]

Hornet 2

[drowsy mauve]

no spells, I got past it though

[stable quarry]

no spells any% or TE ? or something else?

[stable quarry]

Hornet 2 with shadesoul and ddark is not to bad

[drowsy mauve]

TE

[pseudo pasture]

In your opinion what's the hardest skip or trick?

[stable moon]

you could do longnail baldurs or technically you could also shade skip to blue lake and get to claw through waterways

[stuck raptor]

Superslides

[stable moon]

airwalk jumps are harder

[drowsy mauve]

Isn’t that itemless shade skip?

[stable moon]

it'd be with longnail which is easier but still hard

[pseudo pasture]

Just watched it, does it even work on the current patch?

[drowsy mauve]

Once I found the rhythm for dshield baldur it wasnt too bad

[stable quarry]

No

[pseudo pasture]

Makes sense thx

[stable quarry]

It is still possible on 1221 which most people run on but it's also considered major

I beleve it was patched on 1.3 not sure though

[weary root]

If in doubt most likely it was patched out on 1.3 so many things were

[arctic orbit]

Fair

[steady cosmos]

Hello! Could i have some help with getting live split to overlay onto Hollow Knight? I only have one monitor and the guide on the speedrunning page doesn't seem to be working.

[stuck raptor]

select "always on top" in livesplit's options

and turn off fullscreen in hk

you can make the game windowed borderless by then putting "-popupwindow" in the launch options

[steady cosmos]

Thank you

[wise portal]

hi

can someone tell me how i speedrun hollow knight??

pls

[true palm]

Go to speedrun.com, there's guides there, join server in pins

[wise portal]

thank u

[stable moon]

you just start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk

[mighty plover]

It’s just that easy

[snow ferry]

easy

[open dagger]

if livesplit crashed in the middle of a run would it still be valid

[arctic orbit]

No

[steady lynx]

Technically yes

But we'd time from the point it crashed in real time

[open dagger]

wait, even if you reopen livesplit?

[toxic ice]

How come there is no place for randomizer runs

[steady lynx]

Like, how

[viscid sparrow]

so quick q

in game timer of 1 hour 7 would probably be what in proper timing?

like does it get shorter longer or what

pc with decent loads

so with official timing doesnt the autosplit also not count loads?

currently facepalming at not setting up livesplit but its looking like a pb by a lot so i wanna figure it out

[steady lynx]

Loadless is always less than "game time" unless the game timer breaks, which it does a lot

[viscid sparrow]

so i got less than an hour 7

[steady lynx]

Yes

[viscid sparrow]

cos previous pb was hour 14 with livesplit

so hell yeah

[steady lynx]

How much, depends on your load speed, which I don't know

[viscid sparrow]

cool!

thanks so much

[steady lynx]

On patches before 1432 the timer breaks a lot and can display complete nonsense

[viscid sparrow]

on current patch so no issue

[steady lynx]

Shoutouts to the 14 seconds 100% run it said i did once

[viscid sparrow]

nice

[true palm]

pinned server

[solar holly]

hey ive got a quick question what are the mods used for speedrunning the game?

does anyone know

[arctic orbit]

No mods are used

We use debug mod for practice, but we don’t have mods or modding api in runs

[stray elm]

I DID THE CD ACID SKIP TO GET TO UMU

[coral shore]

Congrats

[stray elm]

I also did the shade skip earlier

I am surprised I got the shade skip before I got the double VS to hornet 1

[weary root]

yeah fireball skips are very precise, but blue lake shade skip is fairly lenient

[dense cargo]

i wanna speedrun

but im ass

tips?

[weary root]

practise

[stray elm]

Don’t get hit from the start to at least hornet 1, and use inventory drop on long falls

[ebon edge]

what is the autosplit for the start of the hollow knight fight called?

[stuck raptor]

there isn't one

game start and end are hardcoded events

[ebon edge]

i mean the sream split

[stuck raptor]

wow I need to wake up. read that as "file"

"chains broken - hollow knight (event)"

[twin wolf]

Hello !
Is there documentation about how to set up a practise installation for Hollow Knight on steam ?
I'm trying to follow fireb0rn's video: https://youtu.be/a-aCaVTAUtc but it doesn't seem up to date. I wanted to start speedrunning PoP so I looked up the patch version used, seems like it's the current patch (1.5.78) so I don't think it's usefull to downgrade. I went to my Steam/common folder to find the HK installation folder, copied/pasted/renamed it to Hollow Knight Debug, then downloaded the Modding API v1.4.3.2 (universal) , unzipped it and copy/pasted the game and the Data folder in the new "Debug" folder and started the game (the executable in the "Debug" folder to see if it worked and... It doesn't. Instead I just have a picture of the Knight with an error icon.

I also tried adding the "steam_appid.txt" in the debug folder but that doesn't seem to be it.
What am I doing wrong ?

[twin wolf]

Also my HK folder is different from what he has in his folder

[stuck raptor]

You can't use the 1432 Api on current patch

If you want current patch mods, just use scarab

[twin wolf]

I will look into it, ty !

[stuck raptor]

#archived-modding-help pins

Just set the path to your second game install and it'll install mods there.

Then all you have to do is click install on debug mod

[twin wolf]

[twin wolf]

It worked, ty for the help

[quartz meteor]

now do QGA

[past edge]

clawless

ismaless

[quartz meteor]

But isn't it the right way?

[past edge]

walkless

wingless

[stable quarry]

Do you know about minisavestates?

[twin wolf]

With debugmod, it's explained in the video

[stable quarry]

No, minisavestates is a stand alone mod that is allowed for il runs

It allows you to create a savestate and load it. That way you can try pop over and over....

[twin wolf]

Oh, so it allows you to play PoP again and again?

[stable quarry]

Debug is still good for room practice. But miniaavestates is great for runs

[stable quarry]

In PoP speedruns you need to start PoP while all the levers and the breakable floor is not tuched

[pseudo pasture]

Uh for some reason I can't do the E-Pogo at all, when yesterday I was hitting it without problems, Any tips?

I think I tried it over 200 times by now

[weary root]

What patch are you on?

[pseudo pasture]

1.5.78

ah f just found out I can't pogo the expl in this patch, now I have to found another strat, sadge

[vagrant warren]

There are several setups for current patch epogo, just search on YouTube

[pseudo pasture]

Saw the one with the 2 fireball, I'll try find another one, if there is

[vagrant warren]

There are 1, 2 & 3 fireball setups

[topaz grove]

Would a modded category that shows off all of the skill upgrades and additional charms and artifacts be interesting?

[pseudo pasture]

Yep saw them, I'll learn them as well, but first I want to find one without fireball

Already doing them, lezz goo

[vagrant warren]

There have been a few modded runs, like Celeste%, I don't know if there's been oe that showcases everything tho

[topaz grove]

What’s Celeste%?

[vagrant warren]

Climbing from Abyss to Crown with directional dash. And maybe wall cling?

[stray elm]

Tips to beat uumuu?

[pseudo pasture]

Watch fireb0rns video, he covers it up pretty well, I learned easily how to 2 cycle her/him that way

[coral shore]

I didn't think it had any mods other than just a file modded to start in abyss

[true palm]

ye it wasn't directional dash

just modded to allow dgate in abyss

[vagrant warren]

Hmm, that may be but I'm pretty sure it's been done with directional dash as well, but I don't remember who did it. Seems like a better meme than doing it vanilla LOL

[coral shore]

vanilla slander

D:

[supple lagoon]

My run got verified!!!

[topaz grove]

A “100% EX” speedrun containing the lore tablet mod, artifact mod, and Transcendence mod?

[native pumice]

hey guys I'm new to hk speedrunning and I just checked the rules and I didn't know if there was a way to get rid of the modding api on my hk without uninstalling scarab. If someone could help it would be greatly appreciated

[vagrant warren]

?tag verify

[sick raven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/910762350267744276/910762714807291946/hk_verify_integrity.png

[vagrant warren]

This will remove the api which will disable all mods

(Uninstalling scarab actually wouldn't do anything)

[native pumice]

oh ok ty

I can still activate scarab afterwards and it will set up again yeah?

[vagrant warren]

To re-enable mods just reinstall any one and scarab will reinstall the api

[native pumice]

thanks also do you know how to put livesplit on the screen in fullscreen if its possible?

[vagrant warren]

You need to force borderless windowed I think?

Yeah: #speedrunning message

[knotty vigil]

Hello! I just joined the server

I don't do anything about speedruning, I just know the game very well

Like 112%

I'm playing on console so I can't play with mods.

[rapid jungle]

somehow speedran pop in 2:58 no idea how that happened

[cobalt void]

Wat

Just

How

[stray elm]

Any tips for pop?

[rapid jungle]

idk i dont have any tips but i really good tip for anything platformer based is focus more on consistency than trying to go as fast as possible

[stray elm]

True

I mean I haven’t even gotten into pop before so I’ll definitely take my time when I try it for the first time XD

[rapid jungle]

hey it took me eight hours the first time

i wanna share the video of the run but i dont know if thats allowed

[stray elm]

It took me over 10 hours to beat watcher knights

[stray elm]

I mean you can just friend me and send it in dms

[rapid jungle]

sure

[stray elm]

Lol

[merry estuary]

is there a route for all glitches coz i cant find it for the latest versions

[idle cypress]

you just start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk

[merry estuary]

got it 👍

[stray elm]

Tf did I just read XD

[sacred thunder]

Well I’m not sure how I do it but for me livesplit is just in front of everything by default, so I can still have the game on full screen and the splits in front (I can’t even avoid it too I guess)

[coral shore]

https://youtu.be/fkJ7TI4d0EQ

The copypasta you received also works btw. But this is a bit more details

Also please join the server in pins to ask questions about glitches. We are friendly there and happy to answer any questions

[merry estuary]

ok thank you

[pseudo pasture]

There is also a faster way to disable and re-enable modding api by entering the app, and then click on the left bottom corner the button that says disable API, and as suspected to re-enable it, just press enable, here is a pic for reference

[coral shore]

This feature doesn't work for a lot of people

[pseudo pasture]

Oh..

I guess that makes sense then, for me it works so I tought maybe it will work for everyone, good to know though

[vagrant warren]

Maybe you have borderless window by default? ot seems to be a recurring problem for people with only one monitor, not something I've personally had to deal with since I have 2

[plain quail]

i want to upload a speedrun on speedrun.com but i have a mod menu (?) and i dont know if the run is valid if i have a mod menu but no mods active

[weary root]

yeah just having the modding api installed changes how the game functions so it would be invalid

if you're on steam you can remove the api by verifying integrity of game files in steams settings

[plain quail]

whats the mod file called/located , i think i have scarab but i couldnt find it

[weary root]

it's not a file you can delete, it's a file that has been modified by scarab

so you need the vanilla version of that file

[plain quail]

okay i removed it , thank you

[pseudo pasture]

Is there a way to skip faster than normal through text? I find it very slow by just spamming the buttons, and I see others doing it very fast

Or I just have to spam faster?

[weary root]

it's fast because either a) it's in chinese or b) they have the QoL mod installed

[pseudo pasture]

Maybe bec it's in chinese bec I'm reffering to actual runs that are on speedrun.com

[weary root]

yeah if it's runs it's cause chinese has both a much faster text scrolling speed and way fewer characters

[pseudo pasture]

Makes sense, thx

[mental frigate]

[stray elm]

Did a ||skip|| that id never thought I’d be able to do

||latest one in my bio||

[coral shore]

No need to spoiler in this channel btw. But also congrats

[stray elm]

Ohhhhh yeah it’s the help channel, sorry XD

[steady lynx]

Congrats on doing the spike tunnel skip that goes to Isma's Grove where you get Isma's tear

[stray elm]

😂 thanks

[coral shore]

Just interested: the one that goes to the right or to the left?

[stable quarry]

Nice it took me 2,5 hours to get 16%

[stable quarry]

NMMS TE btw, crasy how it took longer than NMG TE. Timesave for next run

Guess I also have to not have debug on for next run

[weary root]

Glitched runs be like that

[arctic orbit]

Wait Ekko that’s the any% percentage

What’s the TE NMG percentage btw

Like 1221 shade soul

[stray elm]

The left so you can fight dung defender and make the acid to the right clear so you can go to the right and get Ismas tear. Otherwise you gotta to a much harder acid skip

Which I don’t think I could do XD

[sour yarrow]

Python was asking if you did the spike tunnel skip by going into the spike tunnel on the left or the right. ;P

[coral shore]

I think they answered it yeah

[stray elm]

I can try to explain better if you need XD

[knotty vigil]

[coral shore]

No thanks i understand you

[acoustic trail]

just got this. 4h25min im so proud 😭
(was just a steel soul attempt, but switched over to a speedrun when i realized how good my pace was.) (can send route if wanted!)

[stray elm]

Steel soul in 4 hours? Nice

[arctic orbit]

which patch?

[acoustic trail]

current :3

[arctic orbit]

hmm

[sturdy glade]

try out older patches

[arctic orbit]

you should switch to 1221 or 1037

[acoustic trail]

whats up with those?

[arctic orbit]

although i recommend 1037

[sturdy glade]

they have some specific timesave

[acoustic trail]

ah

[arctic orbit]

1221 has lever skips, and 1037 has a lot of stuff

[sturdy glade]

like uumuu has less hp

[arctic orbit]

1037 saves approximately 3 minutes to current patch, 1221 saves 2 minutes

[arctic orbit]

yep

theres just a lot of general stuff on 1037

[acoustic trail]

ooh okay. ill keep this in mind for later. i want to try to sub 1h before silksong (assuming june release lol)

[arctic orbit]

ye ye

you might want to look up the downpatching guide

btw it says that 1221 is the most optimal patch for any% nmg, but the guide hasn't been edited in a long time

so try out both

[rare dock]

I was thinking about downpatching but I wasn't sure if it would reset achievements or corrupt save files

[sturdy glade]

it doesn't

just don't open old saves

[rare dock]

ok

ty

[arctic orbit]

1221 has better performance (fps), while 1037 has more general timesave

[abstract notch]

Then why aren't there any runs on the leaderboard on 1037?

[arctic orbit]

thats because most top runners prefer performance

and they like boomer patch

1037 has a special spreadsheet board

[abstract notch]

Is there a link to the spreadsheet?

[arctic orbit]

Yes, in the speedrunning server

[celest peak]

where is silksong?

[stable quarry]

I would love to see the route

[stable quarry]

Not shadesoul but...

Just slightly more than 16

[arctic orbit]

ye but like normal te

[stable quarry]

That is normal

[arctic orbit]

ohh its 16 for normal te?

[stable quarry]

Aka nmg

No 40%

[arctic orbit]

right

i forgot lmao

SCSBCPTE confused me

[stable quarry]

Smh

SCSBCPTE is clearly a category and not a route

[arctic orbit]

lmao

what does it stand for btw

[stable quarry]

soul catcher Steady body current patch true ending

Even longer than true ending no main menu storage lol

[arctic orbit]

lmao

Then normal 1221 TE is 38% then

Or 37

Actually it’s probably less

[coral shore]

@acoustic trail @rare dock @abstract notch sorry if I shouldn't ping, but wanted to clarify. 1037 is NOT faster than 1221 for any% nmg, as well as most of the nmg categories. It's slower. And has performance worse than 1221

I know that you are aware of it Tyndi, but just in case

[rapid jungle]

sub 40

[arctic orbit]

You should switch to optimal route, could definitely get 38

[rapid jungle]

i know

sly first is stinky

takes 18 hits to kill gruz mother instead of about 5 seconds with fireball

[arctic orbit]

Also that’s an interesting cdash point

[coral shore]

Why are you even doing sly first

[rapid jungle]

no idea lol

[arctic orbit]

I think they want early cdash

[rapid jungle]

i made up the route myself

better route almost sub 40

[coral shore]

Oh, this is without shade skip?

[rapid jungle]

yes

[arctic orbit]

Interesting

[rapid jungle]

still a good time for a suboptimal route though

[arctic orbit]

I daresay you could very easily get 38 if you switch to optimal route

Because your current routing loses quite a bit of time

[rapid jungle]

im kinda floating away from hk running

i like talking about it though

[arctic orbit]

Ah

[rapid jungle]

getting more into celeste

[arctic orbit]

Classic

[rapid jungle]

my long time goal was sub 40 and i got that despite the crummy routing

[knotty vigil]

Really have to learn the ways

[remote viper]

which kind speed should i do?

3 options

1 the entire game

2 all abilites

3 phanteon

2

[vagrant warren]

usually all skills or any% are recommended as good beginner categories, but run whatever you'd be most excited to do

[remote viper]

true

can someone start a timer

[vagrant warren]

? a timer for what?

[remote viper]

u know for the speed run

[vagrant warren]

runners generally use Livesplit

[remote viper]

o

well im starting now

[tepid junco]

Can anyone teach me about speedrunning?

[vagrant warren]

there are lots of tutorials, or if you have a specific question you can ask it. There's also a speedrun dedicated server in pins.

[open silo]

this has my best ever absrad fight

[knotty vigil]

huh, i didn't know the role still got updated

[formal bough]

I mean, it's staying updated to correlate with src super mod status yeah

[knotty vigil]

idk for as long as ive been here pretty much only xero had it so seeing 2 people with it feels so weird

[formal bough]

Xero stepped down as mod and so it was time to like actually update it (since for the longest time xero was the only supermod I think)

[knotty vigil]

i think may had it too

[abstract notch]

Yeah, just like messing with people

[jolly thunder]

i want to start speedrunning on my ps4 but have no way of adding a timer does anyone have a soulotion

[stuck raptor]

time with your phone

consoles are timed in real time

[rare dock]

Hi I recently wanted to try down patching hollow knight for speedrunning and now have a normal hollow knight and a 1221 hollow knight. Is there a way so that I can get rid of save files on my 1221 hk but have the stay on the current patch?

[weary root]

No saves are shared between game versions

[rare dock]

ok

ty

[weary root]

You can copy them somewhere else and then move them back when you want to play current patch though

?saves

[sick raven]

Saves

---

Windows File Paths: (Assumes Default Steam Install Path, Adjust accordingly for DRM Free or Non-Standard Steam Path)

Game Files: C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Hollow Knight\```
** **
Mac File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/Library/Application Support/unity.Team Cherry.Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/Library/Application Support/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/hollow_knight.app/```
** **
Linux File Paths:
```Save Files: ~/.config/unity3d/Team Cherry/Hollow Knight/
Game Files: ~/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Hollow Knight/```

[weary root]

I suppose if you don't mind having current patch be modded you could get the extra saves mod and then put them on page 2

Then they wouldn't show up on 1221

[rare dock]

sounds good thanks for the help

[weary root]

Should just be able to change the file name to user5.dat user6.dat etc. and they'll be on page 2

[worldly wedge]

i have a question, why do the all bosses projects don't include a 1.4+ version project? can we have one?

[steady lynx]

Godmaster All Bosses never really became a thing since it'd essentially be Godhome Ending but with THK, GPZ and normal Radiance tagged on

Even Lifeblood All Bosses never got a board since there are like two people total who care about All Bosses categories at all

[coral shore]

You and super wr holder Xero?

[worldly wedge]

does a all bosses run except Godhome make sense?

[steady lynx]

That's just All Bosses Lifeblood when it comes to route

Btw, don't use the route on hksplitmaker, it's way out of date

[swift nest]

elderbugflower%

[steady lynx]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes?h=Elderbug-1.4.3.2_NMG&x=824r9xed-ql6gv3v8.jqzd3m8l

Like our oldest meme category

[swift nest]

I have never speedran anything in my life

coowl

[snow cape]

Forgot how much i hated watcher knights it may just make me lose my run

[snow cape]

Ok this just happened I didnt even know that was possible

[formal bough]

what part of that video did you not know was possible? essence drops from watcher knights?

[rapid nest]

😱 dying to watcher knights is possible?

[snow cape]

Yeah getting the essence drop

[arctic orbit]

Maybe zote% is older but yeah

Oops sorry for the ping gusten

[steady lynx]

Yet it took until 2021 for us to invent the best meme category

Nosk%

[verbal spindle]

Decided that I wanted to beat the 3 hour run I used to get the speedrun achievements some years back, and aimed for sub 2 hours

Even though I had a number of careless deaths and wrong turns, pleasantly surprised at sub 1.5 hrs

Next aim is sub 1.25 hours, and if I'm feeling confident and have the time, I might aim for sub 1 hr

[weary root]

Nice!

That's pretty much the essence of speedrunning

Wanting to go faster

[arctic orbit]

TRUE

[rare pine]

i am trying to get the 5 hour speed run acheivment but i am very low on money and i need to get the lantern, can anyone help

[vagrant warren]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This channel is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[vagrant warren]

(this channel is not really so much for competetive speedrunning anymore since there's a server for that, but the guide is still good)

[ocean zephyr]

just did my first ever HK speedrun (Any% NMG on PS5)

but I can't submit it to speedrun.com because I couldn't save the run in a videoclip using the PS5 recording thingie :\

[night sedge]

I used steam betas to downpatch to 1221 but how do I make a practice mods installation like fireb0rn's video?

[willow turret]

sell shit to lemm

[vagrant warren]

in the downpatching guide on SRC there's a section on multiple installs

[night sedge]

does Loaded Config for Local Override Path for app ID mean an error? the downloads at the bottom say 3/3

nvm it worked

[night sedge]

are you allowed to have the modding api installed on your run if there's no mods installed

[knotty vigil]

no

no mods installed, not even the api

having api installed is an instant reject

[night sedge]

m

[weary root]

the way a lot of people record on consoles is to stream it to twitch and then save the run as a highlight

[ocean zephyr]

that's a good idea

it was my first speedrun anyway, I wasn't really expecting to get sub one hour

[merry matrix]

I'm doing my first run and forgot the route, what do I do after getting to kings station?

[stuck raptor]

Pause the game and look at your notes

[merry matrix]

I don't take notes, I'm not doing a serious run

But why do I have to watcher knights with nail 1 :(((

[rapid nest]

have you considered: nail 2

[rare dock]

I woas wondering how to have mods on current patch and 1221. My current patch uses the same mod folder ands the 1221.

[merry matrix]

What would be the closest pale ore to city?

[knotty vigil]

Hey, just started speedruning, do u guys have any suggestions?

I can do shade skip, but once I get to city via the elevator I'm clueless

[stuck raptor]

?pins

[sick raven]

Check the pinned messages for more information - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/187137504393035776/823796522751623168/unknown.png

[stuck raptor]

Join the Speedrun server

[knotty vigil]

K

[indigo jetty]

Hi, so I'm getting started speedrunning, and I just wanted to ask if anybody has a any% dreamgate file for debug mod 1221. It would be much appericiated if anybody could send it to me.

[vagrant warren]

join the speedrun server in pins, lots of savestates available as resources

[indigo jetty]

Alright thanks!

[stuck raptor]

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This channel is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[graceful zealot]

Basin probs

[night sedge]

whats the any% nmg 1221 sum of bests?

[steady lynx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kpTv1NTVrX2OycOEqflHGIBmyyRnwL2XquRd9Jza7Lk/edit#gid=27742019

[night sedge]

do you think that ismas on cp could ever replace current route

[rapid nest]

[steady lynx]

Fully honestly, no

[arctic orbit]

[steady lynx]

To be clear, it's faster specifically for 1432+ NMG, but it'll never be faster for just NMG

[arctic orbit]

unless python does some insane shit with dashmasterless or something :feelspkman:

[steady lynx]

I stand by this, if the cringe route is ever faster I'll do a face reveal

[rapid nest]

regardless of dashmasterless it'd still be slower

[arctic orbit]

If cringe route is ever faster, I’ll start running rafters

[rapid nest]

what we need is slopeball but for 1221

[pastel sentinel]

idk how but when downpatching to 1221 for speedrunning and somehow im on version 1.5.78.11833 ??

[weary root]

you need the steam app id file

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/jlten
find the part where it talks about multiple installs

[stable quarry]

When we fix WCS rules by simply making them unrestricted

And then we add glitchless as a category or bugless

[steady lynx]

glitchless is hilarious

[weary root]

glitchless sounds terrible just because of the debate over whether or not something is a glitch

[steady lynx]

Is Shade Skip a glitch? Spire pogo? Jinkie pogo? Main menu Storage?

We could never agree

[weary root]

at least we can all agree that slopeball is a glitch even if it isn't major

[coral shore]

MMS is controversial one for sure

[coral shore]

5b doesn't iirc

[steady lynx]

At least we can all agree it's called slopeball

[weary root]

curveball is better but then people wouldn't know what I was talking about

[arctic orbit]

no

[arctic orbit]

Stallball for life smh

[steady lynx]

Isn't that when you stall in the air to reach ledges?

Like, in Greenpath

[weary root]

no it's when you stall in the air to wait for your dash refesh

[steady lynx]

Isn't that homothetyball?

[arctic orbit]

oh you trolls

[stable quarry]

If you accsidentally get air walk you have to reset

[steady lynx]

Fun thing

If you have Sprintmaster on and get accidental airwalk your run gets rejected

[arctic orbit]

Great minds think alike, I was also thinking this

[stable quarry]

Clearly airstall skips are glitches

[steady lynx]

Also if you jump on the first frame after ending a cdash you get airwalk

Hence PoP airwalk meme

[stable quarry]

I wonder if a glitched run could use that to save time

[steady lynx]

But Sprintmaster is too expensive to be worth for most runs

A whole notch

[stable quarry]

Ehm it costs 2

[steady lynx]

No, that's Dashmaster

Dashmaster costs 2

Just like Quickslash and Flukenest

[viral pollen]

might be a dumb question but is the steam downpatch just the simple version of going into menu and selecting an older version

[stuck raptor]

yes

[pastel sentinel]

so idk why but im using beta 1.2.2.1 for speedrunning and when i load into a new save my nail bind wont save (im on kbm its left click) but when i go into settings and back out it works

[verbal stag]

yeah that happens with mouse bindings, if you join the server in the pinned messages there's a programs to fix that

[night sedge]

whys 1221 so much faster, besides lever skip

[knotty vigil]

inventory drops

midair ones at least

[night sedge]

still technically possible but yeah

[steady lynx]

Cutscene skips at dreamers

That's 40 seconds difference alone

[night sedge]

is that a minor glitch?

[steady lynx]

No, you just mash a button and the cutscene skips

[night sedge]

oh you mean the mask shattering animation?

[steady lynx]

It was added in like 1.0.1.4 and removed in 1.3.1.5

Ask TC why they felt that cutscene shouldn't be skipable

[night sedge]

@team cherry lol

[valid spindle]

Does anyone here know how I can do with livesplit that whenever I finish the run the timer will finish automatically

[vagrant warren]

the autosplitter will take care of that as long as it's properly enabled

[valid spindle]

this is how it is set up

[vagrant warren]

I'm not super familiar with PoP splits, that looks fine to me but if its not splitting properly I'd suggest asking in the speedrun server in pins

[valid spindle]

thanks, the splits works fine just in the end it doesnt stop it

[steady lynx]

The split happens in the load after the PK PV cutscene so the time it pauses at should be the time you submit

[valid spindle]

it didnt pause/finish when i finished pop

[steady lynx]

It pauses in every load right

[valid spindle]

yes

also is there a way to show real time + game time?

[steady lynx]

You can just add a 2nd timer just for that

Livesplit should allow that

Realistically just join the pinned server and ask in tech support there

[valid spindle]

ok

[thorn jasper]

if you're using QoL if prevents Path of Pain from being marked as done so there's nothing to trigger the autosplit. If you're looking to submit runs to the leaderboard you'll want to use Minisavestates. The pinned server has more info

Thank you Discord I do like to compulsively leave and rejoin servers

[digital jewel]

hi!

[steady lynx]

Welcome to the server slaurent, protip, avoid the other chats

[weary root]

I thought the other chats were all archived?

[tired pilot]

https://youtu.be/yfsdE0hf5PA?t=302

So I was watching a P5 speedrun from Spoonsei but found some dubious stuff. Maybe it's just me but does this look sus?

I tested with debug hitboxes on, and am I the only one who thinks he should've been hit here?
Debug invincibility hotkey maybe?

maybe i'm just a moron but idk, looked a bit weird.
No offense to him or anyone. again, i was just asking.

[knotty vigil]

A. On what planet would be have invincibility active when debug isn’t even installed
B. This isn’t even wr anymore he got a faster time anyways

[tired pilot]

I dunno XD-
oh that's insane

the flukes are crazy

[steady lynx]

That's probably just fps nonsense at it, hitboxes not acting depending on visual frames but physics frames which acts at 50 a second

[tired pilot]

mhm. makes sense

[steady lynx]

It's similar to why the any% NMG TAS essentially dashed through the hitbox of an enemy at one point

[tired pilot]

there were a couple close calls on that fight and others and I don't know him so I thought I'd just ask.

thank you for the input c:

[steady lynx]

https://youtu.be/XBpo9j-I4kI?t=633 for anyone curious on what point of the TAS I meant

[tired pilot]

on what fight is that?

[steady lynx]

It's the spiky mushroom in the room after epogo

[tired pilot]

on yeah I typed that before actually clicking on the vid

[tired pilot]

wish epogo was still a thing

[steady lynx]

It's just sporgpogo now I guess

[tired pilot]

that still looks way more believable to me, it's just like upslash baldur into the spikes right after VS

with extra steps

[weary root]

you might be confused by the head position in these pictures, look at how far right of the hitbox the knight's head is in the first picture in the jumping animation
the head is much closer to the centre of the hitbox in the falling animation which is where spoon avoided getting hit

[tired pilot]

Yeah, even then I'm not really looking at the head there. It's the knight's back hitbox that i'm looking at. comes awfully close to that mantis as it's flying down but yeah it could be either way. Just wanted to bring it up in case i wasn't the only one

regardless a very clean speedrun overall

[knotty vigil]

hey im wondering before i buy the game if theres any major differences between speedrunning the game on pc, or on switch

[steady lynx]

PC has load remover, more competition for every category, runs the game way better in framerate, and can downpatch

If you have the option, just go for PC tbh

[weary root]

and has mods

debug most notably for speedrun practise

[knotty vigil]

are mods relevant to speedrunning at all

[knotty vigil]

whats debug for

[steady lynx]

It's good for practice

Can use savestates to do bosses over and over, etc

[knotty vigil]

how hard is hollow knight as a first game to learn to speedrun

[steady lynx]

It was my first game and, once you get past chain dying to Watcher Knight it becomes pretty good

[knotty vigil]

i assume when learning i can just run individual levels

[steady lynx]

Yeah, that's how most do it

[knotty vigil]

is the game best played on controller or on keyboard, what do most ofthe top speedrunners do

[steady lynx]

That's all up to preference

[tired pilot]

whatever you're most comfy playing by default

[true palm]

A big thing about hitboxes is the collisions not 100% accurate

You can collide into hitboxes if ur dashing into them a couple frames before you would actually collide and you can often be inside hitboxes for several frames without a collision

It requires a pretty blatant overlap to cause a collision

[simple kraken]

I did path of paon sub 7

pain*

[thorn jasper]

good job

[swift jackal]

keep the grind

[round inlet]

Has anyone noticed a problem where you sometimes can't downslash right after taking damage? I swear I did a bunch of shade skips on previous patches and it was fine. I had a friend verify that they're seeing this problem as well.

[true palm]

dont buffer your slash in the freeze frames

[coral shore]

(basically slash later)

[round inlet]

Huh. I did lose my muscle memory for it, so I guess I just accidentally never ran into that before. Thanks

[true palm]

its a weird thing, because you only run into that issue as you get better at the game

so you learn the shadeskip, then it works, and then you have to relearn it

[onyx mortar]

i got bored

and made up a speedrun catagory for u guys

its called suspiciosly stinky stonks

you have to beat the game, at 69% with defenders crest and unbreakable greed equiped

[small lintel]

Nu

work ew

[visual rose]

is there any option to get into mantis village other than using shade skip ( cause im on steel soul) and fireball skip?

[knotty vigil]

why would you need to shade skip into mantis village

is this dashless?

[visual rose]

cause the pogo skip is patched isnt it

i tried it for an hour

found out it is extremely difficult to successfully pogo off the explosion

[knotty vigil]

you can do epogo on lp

just not the way they used to on 1221

you can't pogo the explosion but you can pogo the sporg before it does

[visual rose]

i tried it several times but end up taking explosion damage everytime i do the second pogo on the sporg

[knotty vigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYsRWyHjcmM

[stable quarry]

You can just do the intended route of going around if you have dash. Otherwise you'll have to do this epogo or something simmular

Found by binary01103#4132 I think

[visual rose]

thanks for the help man, appreciate it

i end up go for the regular route and does the pogo skip for claw HAHA

[pastel belfry]

Is there a Tiso% leaderboard somewhere?

[steady lynx]

Nope

[stable quarry]

Sub 2 hours

[arctic orbit]

gg Ekko

[stable moon]

omg why do people keep posting this

It’s extremely inconsistent and really just rng

[stable quarry]

Tbf on cp it's not tooo bad

Also I sendt this here because I wanted to fit in

[stable moon]

it absolutely is

The height you get off the mushroom is effectively rng and this is not possible to do consistently

[stable quarry]

Ehm context?

[coral shore]

Ekkoet, Staxis is talking about the epogo clip you sent

[stable quarry]

Oh...

[stable quarry]

It's in strats and says its the most consistent setup if that is false then it should probably get removed or changed to not state that...

[stable moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822611544231772170/953074603977236490/lowepogo_Trim.mp4 this is the most consistent one

[vague pelican]

What is the fastest speed run ever?

[coral shore]

you mean the category or time?

[vague pelican]

Time

[digital jewel]

1

[vague pelican]

Hour?

[idle cypress]

1 second and 790 ms

[vague pelican]

how

[thorn jasper]

https://www.speedrun.com/hkmemes/run/yle9e3xz

[open silo]

That's so much faster than all the other runs

I wonder what they did to save so much time, it must have been a really precise trick or something?

[coral shore]

I can't understand if you are being serious or no, but they did wind storage. Not precise, just nobody else used it before

[open silo]

I know nothing about glitched sorry

[coral shore]

No worries, it wasn't meant as an agression towards you. It's just that you said this after somebody was asking about the shortest speedrun time, so I wasn't sure if you were playing along or genuinely curious

[open silo]

I have looked at king's pass times before so I was aware of the run, but yha, I really didn't understand the techniques

[coral shore]

The basic idea is that if you go through a load (either by actually going through transition or loading a savestate) while having wind/conveyor applied, they will continue applying to you even when they shouldn't. And wind can give absurd speeds

[weary root]

yeah wind storage just keeps accelerating you

the limit is probably whatever unity can handle

[steady lynx]

It'd be the unity speed limit

Same with an infinitely tall inventory drop

[stuck raptor]

that speed was checked with debug once but I think the tool couldn't keep up. I think it stopped incrementing after either 5 or 9 million units per second

[frigid valley]

Today was actually my first day speedrunning. I decided to go with path of pain and got it in 3 mins and 29 seconds after around 20 tries. Is that good for a beginner?

[coral shore]

zoooooooooooom

[stuck raptor]

sure

[frigid valley]

Was that sure sarcasm?

Sorry lol

[stuck raptor]

no.

it's just the wrong question

your first times don't really matter. as long as you're improving and having fun

that's all that matters

[frigid valley]

:)

[steady lynx]

Realistically it should just be like 2 billion units per physics frame

[stuck raptor]

yeah. so it was probably just debug losing track

[steady lynx]

There's no real place where going that fast would even be a tiny bit useful

[stuck raptor]

go too fast and you'd miss load zone detection probably

just fly right through it

so even if you could somehow get whatever infinite speed you wanted, there's an upper limit where it would even work

[ruby fiber]

yo i have a problem when downpatching can anybody help?

[knotty vigil]

?tag steambetas

[sick raven]

Make sure you have the correct game version for your mods.
-Modinstaller takes version 1.4.3.2 (and is no longer support)
-Scarab takes version 1.5 (set beta to "None")
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/283470827738103810/1024160413895639050/Untitled-1.png

[ruby fiber]

thx

[knotty vigil]

mhm

[knotty vigil]

step 1: join the server in pins

[stable moon]

step 2: start a godseeker file hit the hardsave quit out and dupe the main menu load into kp with noclip put on charms place a dgate at black egg store the crossroads stag then go left right down left right down left right up left right up left right left down right left right transition storage dive left right left then get airwalk enter archives go up left down skip uumuu enter the dream three times get monomons quitout dgate overcharm fury and kill thk

[coral shore]

that's a BIG step 2

[knotty vigil]

if it works it works

[coral shore]

it sure does

[knotty vigil]

make this the new speedrunpsa

[coral shore]

That's how you beat the game in under 5 minutes

but that's all glitches speedrun

Glitches are super cool in hk, but idk if you wanted to run nmg before

[ebon pewter]

how do you do quick map interaction storage? more specifically how do i do it more than once?
i'm able to get it done a single time consistently but every time afterwards it refuses to work and i just end up either opening the map screen or listening to whatever npc im in front of

[stuck raptor]

QM->interact->QM->inventory

leave room (for items that respawn)

do it again

forgot about the closing inventory part

[ebon pewter]

im practicing on elderbug and:

1. i cant open inventory after unless i qm twice again but i can move around
2. i am unable to do it again even after leaving and re-entering the room

[stuck raptor]

inventory press is to close inventory

[ebon pewter]

inventory never opens

[stuck raptor]

you shouldn't be opening it with inventory

https://youtu.be/4kJ4c7n5qVg?t=3160

and your timing has to be fast

QM->interact->QM is 3 very quick button presses

you can see the timing on my input display

[ebon pewter]

yeah my inventory doesn't open when doing this

it only opens if i double tap quick map after already being able to move around with a text box open

[stuck raptor]

https://youtu.be/4kJ4c7n5qVg?t=2983

here's 16 item dupes just before that in the run

your inputs may not be fast enough then

or you're not on the right patch

[ebon pewter]

hm

[coral shore]

On later patches, you can only quickmap storage once per quitout

later patches being 1.3+

[ebon pewter]

ooohh

[stuck raptor]

yeah. patch very much matters for glitches

[cerulean kernel]

lmao

I just played the game to see how fast I can beat it just now

I did 30% and they done 100% in pretty much same time that's nuts

oh wait you're the guy who did it

that's pretty poggers

[ebon pewter]

okay this one i've seen this work on the latest patch but i cant seem to pull it off, how exactly do i store the stag menu?

[coral shore]

What are you trying to do?

[ebon pewter]

you mean while trying to execute the glitch? im looking at a video of someone doing it and copying what they're doing but it isnt working. to me it looks like they're just walking up to the station and walking away and suddenly boom stag menu is open

[rapid nest]

you have to use quickmap storage, go up to the stag and press quick map, interact, and quick map in succession and you should have control

[ebon pewter]

okay that worked but in the videos i've seen they dont appear to press their quickmap button at all

[coral shore]

I'm asking what is your ultimate goal

[stable quarry]

Room dupes

It's an easy way to get bench storage too

[coral shore]

Like, are you trying to finish a run of a certain category or something else

[stable quarry]

Yes TE wait your not asking me

[ebon pewter]

oh im just trying to mess with glitches that i think are cool i absolutely do not have the speed or skill for a speedrun i just thought this would be the best place to ask

[stable quarry]

But what glitch are you trying to get? Not just qm storage?

[coral shore]

Ok. So in the video you are watching, assuming it's any% ag wr, since that's what it sounds, they have benchstorage

Which means they can open inventory during a load, and not lose control when talking to a stag

[stable quarry]

More importantly transition storage..

[stable quarry]

Which is this

[ebon pewter]

oooh i think i see what they're doing now

[stable quarry]

Sry for ping

[stable quarry]

You might like this https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/4e1dp

It covers the basics

[ebon pewter]

oh neat

[coral shore]

ok but that one is not up to date, just so you know

[stable quarry]

The glitches haven't changed though, just new ones has been found

Ignore superslides though 1 they suck 2 they don't work on cp

[coral shore]

So looking at the outdated guide isn't exactly the best idea for everything. Better look at a category run and ask questions. Also please join the pinned discord, much more people will be able to help you there

[ebon pewter]

alright thank you

[stable quarry]

Yeah, deffinitly ask questions.

[stuck jetty]

how do you open inventory mid air

[stuck raptor]

you press inventory

and be on an older patch

[verbal stag]

alternatively have bench storage

[weary root]

that does allow you to open it mid air yes

[strong blaze]

anyone wanna do a lockout?

[brave moon]

Hey I'm new to hollowknight speedrunning and speedrunning in general and was wondering if any of you could help me with auto splits. I am trying to get it to auto split when i get a grub yet for some reason it just splits when i get next to the first cornifer location. I have the split as "rescued grub 1 (grub)" in the auto spliter menu and it lines up with my actual split for the grub. Does anyone know why it just splits randomly and how to fix it?

[brave moon]

nvm i figured it out

[stuck jetty]

I'll downpatch my game

thank you

[jovial shard]

what do people use to get back into pop? Wanna start practicing speedrunning it but didn't know it becomes inaccessible after completing it once

[rotund pelican]

Qol mod

I think its qol

[jovial shard]

ah thanks, I'll check it out

[vagrant warren]

QoL will allow you to re-enter PoP but is not allowed for runs. For runs mini-save states are used, which is a separate assembly from the modding API & is allowed for runs. You can get it in the server in pins.

[jovial shard]

I see, makes sense

[echo edge]

Ive been thinking to get the speedrun achievements in hk
Can anybody tell me if i need to see a full speedrun before? Do i have to memorize where to go?
I love this game but i lack sum skills
(Just so yk, ive finished the main game ||and im now trying to get the pantheon flowey ed and achieve everything||)

Sorry if others said it before but i didnt see that

[nimble cape]

||im stuck forever in p5||

[vagrant warren]

you don't have to spoiler tag in this channel. there's a guide for the cheevo, whether you feel the need to practice beforehand is up to you

?srpsa

[sick raven]

Reminder: This channel is intended for competitive speedrunning discussion. Questions about achievements should be directed to #hk-help.
Guide for the 5hr speedrunning achievement: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1861523602

[knotty vigil]

Hey, im trying to learn how to do the kings pass glitch. I searched a lot of to do's on youtube and google but none of them explained to me how to do the glitch. If anyone can help or teach me how please dm me

[vagrant warren]

that depends on what glitch you're actually talking about

[knotty vigil]

its the one at the very beginning right when u start

the esc, then inv

[vagrant warren]

that's not a glitch, it's just something that you can do on older patches

if you're on current patch, it's impossible

[knotty vigil]

oh then ill just downpatch

ty

ill downpatch

ik how

[long trellis]

I need help setting up a hollow knight speedrun for ps4… but I don’t know how to

I’m setting up a hollow knight speedrun for ps4.. but I don’t know how*

[weary root]

what specifically would you like to know?

[long trellis]

How to set the speedrun up how to get a timer. And some glitches cause I like glitch speedruns.

[weary root]

For timer we use livesplit. For console your run will be timed using real time as there isn't any way to use the load remover.

https://www.speedrun.com/hollowknight/guide/cg9vl guide for livesplit here <---

[long trellis]

Ok thx

[weary root]

as for glitches you're somewhat limited on console due to patch and platform restrictions

[long trellis]

Also can you get multiplayer mod for ps4?

[weary root]

you can't use mods on consoles no

[long trellis]

Ok

Thx

You can’t download live split on mobile right?

Because I don’t have a computer :/

[true palm]

you dont need livesplit for console

since it only removes loads on PC

you aren't required to have a timer in your submission on console, we'll manually time it

if you want a timer https://one.livesplit.org/ works on your browser

and you can use the same splits that other people use

(so yes this works on mobile)

[runic dove]

Wait livesplit removes load times automatically right so I don’t have to do anything extra

Thinking about speedrunning the game after I finish my play through

And is it real time attack or without load time for hollow knight

When submitting speed runs

[weary root]

if you're on pc yeah

[stable quarry]

Console has a couple disadvantages when it comes to glitched runs.

1. No downpatching you are locked to one patch.
2. No mouse so MMS is impossible
3. Room dupes may or may not be possible.
   (4. Timing is rta) true for NMG runs too

If you end up testing if room dupes are possible on ps4 plis let me know