sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

And as already mentioned the haunting is resolved by the end of the game

[hard widget]

Lemme go back and read all the relevant info on the skarr

[fading shard]

star how much of the population that was infected do you think recovered after dream no more, instead of just dropping to the floor and being dead

unrelated to the topic just wanted to change it to smth different with you

[sinful nimbus]

Most infected are probably gone cuz like half of them are reanimated corpses

[hard widget]

My main reasoning for it is actually the other hearts. Nyleth is the first seed and khann is the master of the coral. Green prince was the steward of veranda. The hearts act as the foundations for their respective realms and life

[sinful nimbus]

Some more recently infected like Deepnest may be fine

[hard widget]

We don’t know the details of verdania’s fall unfortunately

[twin dragon]

Haunted bugs are lwk super fine after being unhaunted

the entirety of bellhart:

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but Karmelita is alive and so is Far Fields

It will continue to exist for as long as there is a heart to sustain it

[hard widget]

The majority of the population died. Pavo says as much

[twin dragon]

idk about black threaded bugs though that might kill em

[sinful nimbus]

Hence why removing the heart causes the death of the ecosystem

Which is bad

And why Hornet doing that is uh not great

[twin dragon]

ok but survival's still on the table

[hard widget]

But you can at least agree that it’s bound to karmelita’s life, which is waning, meaning in all likelihood the realm is fading

Even if we don’t agree on the morality of hornets choice to speed that up

[spark valve]

It’s not bound to karmelita and could persist after her death hornet just steals it

Old hearts are the most recent inheritors of power

That means the power can be passed down

[sinful nimbus]

"Seek the old hearts of our kingdom and the last successors to bear their strength"

[hard widget]

I always interpreted that silk and the haunting meant that no more heirs could be born since these were the last successors, due to these kingdoms being so thoroughly crushed under the citadel

They’re the last. Which means there’s not anyone left to pass them down to

Which means they fade

We’re just harvesting the last lingering embers

[sinful nimbus]

Silk is dead at the end of the game

[spark valve]

Once the citadel falls that would no longer be the case

[hard widget]

Yeah and we see new growth all throughout the game

Splinters head, the clovers after you kill the green prince

[spark valve]

Because tc is incapable of even being consistent within one game

[hard widget]

New growth emerges after the death of what was

You could even argue Sherma is the citadels example of this

The seed to grow what will come next

It could’ve been presented more coherently but that’s the core theme at play

[sinful nimbus]

What happens with Green Prince and what happens with Karmelita is very different

There's like no ambiguity with Gilly's dialogue Far Fields is dead and Hornet caused it

[spark valve]

You aren’t supposed to get green prince as one of the three hearts which is why the karm dialogue sucks ass tbf

[sinful nimbus]

Like Tammo said its kinda inconsistent and the clovers were even added in a patch after release and while I like old heart lore a lot this kinda sucks unfortunately

[hard widget]

Hopefully they’ll clarify it in the future

[sinful nimbus]

True remove Nyleth and and just make Green Prince Karm and Khann mandatory

[hard widget]

Act 3 was pretty rushed compared to the rest of the game which is hilarious considering the enormous timescale of this game

They were working and tweaking things the entire 7 years and it shows with stuff like this

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[hard widget]

They probably had one or two whole other ideas planned and they forgot to tie them up neatly

I still believe I get what they were going for

Is gilly a backer character?

[sinful nimbus]

Gilly is original I think

[hard widget]

Honestly I’d love a whole list of the backer content to see if any inconsistencies appear

Karmelita was a backer character iirc

[sinful nimbus]

The two backers who submitted weapon wielding moths (a pacifist tribe)

[hard widget]

Groups like that are often defined by their exceptions

A pacifist among warriors would stand out just as much

[sinful nimbus]

Lingering dream of a fallen warrior. Only member of his forgotten tribe to take up a weapon.
Yeah but the journal does forget about Thistlewind

And having 2/3 named moths wielding a weapon is funny

Not a major issue

[spark valve]

Mfw every drow is chaotic good

[foggy stratus]

Drow, filthy fucking silk spinners.

[sturdy knot]

I need someone to give me a terrible sumary of pharlooms history
It doesn’t have to be accurate

[foggy stratus]

Ok so basically Grand Maestro Silk showed in Pharloom where Ms. Ant, krust cing chann, the local plant life and Gay couple where already thriving. Great Mannored Soul then ascended some spiders into divine spiders but this was a lie. Said spiders than made a Citadel and subjegated everyone else then slipped sleeping pills into Good Maternal Soak's morning dose of song than ran like hell, putting the train Conductors in charge while they were gone. The Conductors had silk put in everyone to make them immortal which let Grandur Milk Sink take control of everyone. GMS then makes them hunt down her escaped children for punishments. Hornet then gets kidnapped and the game starts. Oh yeah and Lace and Phantom happened somewhere in there.

[gentle aspen]

pale being bad

[craggy smelt]

bad times in bug town

[foggy stratus]

Man fuck you.

[craggy smelt]

(that also works for the first game)

[foggy stratus]

The sequel.

[sinful nimbus]

Except for Hornet

As much as she may, she chooses to stand apart

For she is not her kin

[foggy stratus]

Except the ending where she is.

[sinful nimbus]

Evil genes

[foggy stratus]

Why doesnt Hornet just kill GMS? Is she stupid?

[sinful nimbus]

OK lowk

We already see everyone fiending for domination in some way

Undercranks and Slabflies come to mind

It might've been more effective for that drive for domination to be innate to all bugs instead of just Hornet's heritage like she suggests

Team Cherry hire me

[spark valve]

I mean it… kind of is?

Hornet is projecting hard a lot in general and weavers are like the number 1 culprits in setting the cycle going

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[hard widget]

https://tenor.com/view/sherma-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-bell-gif-8137261478976609123

[sinful nimbus]

What I'm saying is that they should rewrite that dialogue unless Hornet is supposed to be in denial about it being innate to all bugs so she just blames higher beings in which case that'd be an interesting flaw but could probably be more clearly communicated

[sturdy knot]

Its just to much power to go without a leader/ it would just reform gms

[covert night]

do i almost feel fear

[spark valve]

But always I remain a daughter of hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

Even if only your shadow remains, to release your mother's grip my blade would see it slain 🥶 🥶 🥶

[foggy stratus]

Their plight elicits no sympathy from me.

[covert night]

@foggy stratus can you make a journal entry for gloomsac

[hard widget]

I think her nature compels her to. She states that she wants to eat her up as a pale being who craves dominance

[sinful nimbus]

Hello sponkyspaghetti

[covert night]

wrong person sorry

[hard widget]

A good spider never lets a meal go uneaten

[sturdy knot]

That line could be referring to her weaver part

[hard widget]

Good point

[foggy stratus]

Fuck it I'm gonna give the Hunter the fears of many holes.

[foggy stratus]

"I... do not know what I feel when I see this... this... thing. I... feel the strong urge to run. Why? Why do I run from such a small thing?"-The Hunter

[sinful nimbus]

Just open up your eyes, you dead ones (All ashes on the floor)
(Oh, please, please, please release me)
Just open up your eyes, you dead ones (All ashes on the floor)
Should Hornet have written this upon seeing the gargant glooms

[foggy stratus]

Trypophobia

Oh yeah I have all the current entries in a Google doc. If anyone wants it I can share it with them.

[paper mantle]

Perhaps she realized she couldn't kill her and decided to absorb her.

[near jasper]

She could probably kill gms

[sinful nimbus]

what if hornet can kill her but its like the one ring where you literally can't have enough willpower to do the right thing once you're in the situation

[near jasper]

Lace permanently dismembers her in one strike the second she woke up from passing out

[foggy stratus]

Unless you're like a hobbit. Or some random dude in the forest.

[paper mantle]

Did she let herself be carried away by her Pale Beige side?

[sinful nimbus]

Frodo couldn't resist either

[near jasper]

Yeah prob

[sturdy knot]

Gms might have heald if the situation was different

[foggy stratus]

He was able to for a while. Same with Bilbo.

[sinful nimbus]

Bombadil isn't affected iirc but he also was too carefree to keep track of the ring

[sinful nimbus]

Well the situation is being at mount doom

At which point the ring's influence is just too strong

[near jasper]

We never see gms heal and the weavers tried to just straight up kill her multiple times

[sturdy knot]

Lotr lore

[foggy stratus]

Tbh they should have just fed the Ring to like a deep sea fish

[near jasper]

She probably cant heal efficiently

[foggy stratus]

The Ring can't do shit if I tie it to 17 rocks in a solid iron cube then chuck it into the deep ocean.

[sinful nimbus]

Tolkien lowk probably put the watcher in the water in the universe just to confirm that sea creatures can have fingers to put the ring on with

Also Sauron is powerful enough without the ring to still win

The reason the ring needs to be destroyed is because it has enough of his soul to kill Sauron upon its destruction

Well technically not kill but basically

[acoustic flume]

Is lace technically hornet's step-aunt?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[foggy stratus]

Yeah.

[near jasper]

Kinda

[acoustic flume]

wdym kinda

[near jasper]

Technically weavers and gms are not related

[acoustic flume]

gms is the step grandmother of hornet because the weavers are adopted

[acoustic flume]

but like that's why I put step

[stray grove]

They are related

GMS altered the Weavers on a genetic level by imbuing the Pharlids with her own life energy

She didn’t give birth to them but they still have GMS genes and that’s also like not really the point she called them daughters

[acoustic flume]

yeah but the pharlids are not birthed of gms

[near jasper]

How do the void masses destroy so little of styx's room in act 3

[spark valve]

Are we really gonna get pedantic about silk god biology

[near jasper]

Yes

:3

[stray grove]

It’s a bit pointless innit

She called them daughters that’s it really

[foggy stratus]

Styx has enough aura to gaurd it ig.

[near jasper]

Styx ate the void

[spark valve]

It’s like vessels being the kids of WL and pk

Technically in the strictest sense they aren’t but in the context of the narrative they are

[stray grove]

Also this is wrong

She’s just her grandmother

[acoustic flume]

wait guys does this mean that phantom is the step-aunt of hornet as well?

[near jasper]

How are they not in the strictest Sense?

[acoustic flume]

but like still

it's whatever

[stray grove]

Still what

She’s her grandmother the narrative says so

[near jasper]

Step grandmother? Well I dont see any feet on her for that

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy rq.

[near jasper]

Aknid

[near jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/immense-pain-bocchi-cy-gif-27342239

[stray grove]

I mean they were at one point but technically aren’t anymore

[near jasper]

If your kid dies thats still your kid

[stray grove]

Vessels are corpses being piloted by a foreign substance but WL still refers to TK as her child and PK seems to have regarded them as such also

[stray grove]

“In the strictest sense they’re not”

[acoustic flume]

speaking of kids and vessels

[near jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/wombat-kiss-gif-3106950099331750385

[acoustic flume]

is the "embrace the void" ending technically the true ending?

[stray grove]

No

Every ending is a true ending they’re all canon

[acoustic flume]

why not?

but like

[near jasper]

50/50 between that dream no more (if we say sister of the void is also the true ending)

[acoustic flume]

what could've possibly happened to the knight for him to be able to look like the shade lord while also being the new hollow knight?

[foggy stratus]

"This one... i find its shape oddly familiar. However, it lacks any respect I had for whatever it reminds me of. It is weak and not suited for battle. Why it even fights, I do not know."-The Hunter

[sinful nimbus]

we still on the true ending cope

[near jasper]

Tc wanted to fuck with us

Thats the reason

[acoustic flume]

yeah but the dream no more doesn't have the shade lord

[stray grove]

Well first of all Silksong doesn’t necessarily follow every HK ending but even if that’s what we’re calling canon it can follow any of Sealed Siblings, Dream No More, Embrace the Void

[near jasper]

And etv doesnt have the normal knight pick your poison

[stray grove]

It can still take on that form and the point of that flash isn’t to show that VGFocus is physically present

There’s also a DNM flash with the Siblings

[spark valve]

One of these is not like the others

[sinful nimbus]

embrace the void thinks its on the team

[stray grove]

I’m a Sealed Siblings truther

[acoustic flume]

but he can transform, right?

[near jasper]

Idk dude

[acoustic flume]

yeah but who wouldn't want the final ending?

[stray grove]

Literally everyone it sucks ass

If they were going to only pick one it should be Dream No More every other ending is ass

[acoustic flume]

guys what if we say that sealed siblings and then cursed are the two true endings

right guys?

[near jasper]

Fuck it why not

[foggy stratus]

[stray grove]

I mean that is canonically viable

[foggy stratus]

Give me another enemy, I'm bored.

[stray grove]

TC insist that the true ending shit is still the case

[near jasper]

Underworker

[acoustic flume]

winged lifeblood seed

[stray grove]

They were asked specifically why they went back on it in SS and said they didn’t

[acoustic flume]

wait

what if hornet duped herself

[stray grove]

But they could just be lying or maybe they forgot HK existed they’re not very good writers

[acoustic flume]

like just made a clone

because hornet doesn't age anymore or smth

[near jasper]

How team cherry felt saying there was no true ending

[stray grove]

She does age she just ages very slowly and that has always been the case

She was ancient even in HK

[near jasper]

Gilf

[foggy stratus]

"... is... this the fate that awaits all pilgrims? The supposed 'gleaming Citadel' they've been promised? How any organization can do such a thing to anyone... I find greatly disturbing."-The Hunter

[sinful nimbus]

Many proverbs will be written of your feebleminded endeavors
Oh so foolish Jester ... 😂 😂 😂

[stray grove]

All of these messages were sent in the span of a minute

[foggy stratus]

"So, even across vast distances Lifeblood remains. And seemingly adapts. How interesting. The more things change, the more they remain the same. And winged, seemingly."-The Hunter

[acoustic flume]

Who's the hunter

this is SILKSONG

[near jasper]

Hollow knaid

[acoustic flume]

not hello night

[foggy stratus]

"Who's gonna stop me, Batman?"-The Jonkler

[sinful nimbus]

remember the huntress

in far fields

what happened to her

[foggy stratus]

The Seamstress?

[acoustic flume]

dont you mean the seamstress?

[sinful nimbus]

the huntress

[stray grove]

No the huntress

Holy larp

[acoustic flume]

the huntress is like up

[stray grove]

Can you believe these guys don’t know about the huntress in far fields lmao

[acoustic flume]

and the one who was siblings is left

[[huntress]]

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Huntress

[sinful nimbus]

A towering old predator, awaiting her children to come. Though her attention is fixed on her task, she seems to know much about the waning state of Pharloom, scorning the Citadel above and the hapless pilgrims that make their ascent towards it
where is she

why did they make nuu give the journal and not have her write it ??

[acoustic flume]

Is nuu a child?

[near jasper]

They wanted a pink memento

[foggy stratus]

Yes.

[near jasper]

Yeah

[acoustic flume]

oh

[sinful nimbus]

I remember calling out Nuu x Hornet shippers before release

[acoustic flume]

makes her more innocent for trying to kiss hornet

[sinful nimbus]

They didn't believe me

[foggy stratus]

She just wanted to taste all the murder on Hornet's shell.

[near jasper]

Would lugoli and nuu be friends

[acoustic flume]

[[nuu]]

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Nuu

[acoustic flume]

omga what

[sinful nimbus]

kissing bug

[acoustic flume]

guys do you think there is fan art of nuu actuallyu kissing hornet

actually

dont answer

[foggy stratus]

I think I've seen a gif of it in the memes channel.

[stray grove]

https://tenor.com/view/kenjaku-brain-geto-suguru-jjk-gif-13395973890702504491

[near jasper]

My cat once stabbed me in the eyelid

[acoustic flume]

https://tenor.com/view/no-correlation-gif-1271746605347850530

[covert night]

second "I..." was a bit much, but it's nice, def better than hornets tumblr entry

[acoustic flume]

guys do you think the bell beast's children's father is dead?

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet and Tumblr?

That's pro life actually

[stray grove]

Shut up

Hornet witnessed the atrocities committed by her father

[foggy stratus]

Yes. When a bell beast mates, the female eats the male for food.

[sinful nimbus]

What does the tumblr HK fandom even do

[acoustic flume]

where would one get this info

[stray grove]

It’s tumblr

[foggy stratus]

I made it the fuck up.

[near jasper]

Hunters journal

Obv

[acoustic flume]

[[bell best]]

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Bell_best?action=edit&redlink=1

[sinful nimbus]

we are ALL reading into the critique of capitalism provided by the underworks

[stable violet]

random question, but there are no mention of weavers ever possessing venom despite being spiders or whatever right?

[sinful nimbus]

Yea I don't think so

[foggy stratus]

Its more so just blatant corruption and exploitation of laborers imo.

[near jasper]

There isnt

[acoustic flume]

guys I honestly thought the bell eater was a corrupted version of the bell beast

[stable violet]

alright good to know

[sinful nimbus]

A weaver with a spell that makes their bite deadly would be tuff

[stable violet]

it would yeah

another thing i wanna know is how a weaver looks like without the mask or cloth out the way

[foggy stratus]

I wanted to emphasize how unnerved it makes the Hunter feel.

[near jasper]

We dont know

[stable violet]

im aware

[foggy stratus]

Stick.

[acoustic flume]

guys do you think that the hornet actually died and then grand mother silk is just us puppeteering her

how else woulod we know how to beat ourselves

[near jasper]

Sure why not man

[foggy stratus]

Or like that one episode of SpongeBob where all of Spongebob's sponge gets shaved away revealing their brain.

[near jasper]

Widow's mask is probably some poor pilgrims unwashed clothes she stole and then ate

[stable violet]

widow is quite the loose cannon

[foggy stratus]

I'm doing a Bell Eater entry now.

[stable violet]

que

[foggy stratus]

What?

[stable violet]

exactly

what

[near jasper]

i wish the wish system wasnt Just a purely gameplay mechanic

[stable violet]

what system?

[near jasper]

The wish system

The game mechanic

[stable violet]

ah that thing

it is quite tedious at times also

[near jasper]

Pavo putting a wish about a doll in the wishboard but nothing to help the 20 homeless people gathered in town square

[foggy stratus]

”Now this is what I live for! A true hunt! A real beast worthy of my skill! I found a small group of these beasts when the world began to shake, I killed two but the third got away. But I shall savor hunting all the more.”-The Hunter Bell Eater entry

[near jasper]

This is the first time im seeing bell eater's needolin dialogue having "we" being adressed lmao

[foggy stratus]

Ngl I most of the time don't consult stuff like the actual journal entry or needolin dialoge when making these so that was entirely unintentional.

[near jasper]

Cool

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me an enemy.

[foggy fractal]

signis and gron

[foggy stratus]

"These bugs I've tried to persue. But they are fast and agile, but mostly smaller than me. I cannot chase them far through the docks they call home. And their flaming weapons are also quite the tools. I've lost an eye to an lucky shot by them. I shall take this as a warning to be more cautious in my hunts going forward."-The Hunter

[sinful nimbus]

I need signis and gron lore

[foggy stratus]

They're in charge of Deep Docks and all its operations despite being Haunted.

Also according to my totally 100% canon Hunter's Journal rewrite skilled enough to permanently scar and humble the Hunter.

[sinful nimbus]

Give Forgehome lore

They have too much aura and are too fun to be so lame

[foggy stratus]

Exactly!

Also we should all agree to treat my Hunter Journal as canon just to mess with people.

[glacial warren]

“These two…a strange diligence marks their shells. They command those who toil without pause in those sweltering depths, and their weapons bear a searing sting, if their ire is earned. They could have been efficient Hunters, if not for their single-minded pursuit of a duty long rendered obsolete.”

[foggy stratus]

Ok if I'm being honest I like this one better than mine.

But personally I think having the 'lost an eye' part could make it better.

[stray grove]

I’m retired

[sinful nimbus]

Hi retired

[stray grove]

Unfortunate for this community to lose its third best lorr writer (me)

[edgy sentinel]

hi retired, I'm dad

[sinful nimbus]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-simpson-loxyysgif-ABsj1vpTUbIw5sQGvK

[stray grove]

It’s ok you wouldn’t get it anyway

[foggy stratus]

What place am I in?

[stray grove]

The golden age of lorr was long before your time

I don’t even know who you are

[foggy stratus]

[sinful nimbus]

they should've used the ancient civ classes lowk

instead we got the low hanging fruit of extinct ancient civilizations obsessed with void (RW) 💔

[stray grove]

I predicted AC using Void to hollow themselves out or whatever the fuck that was

Ironically that was the worst part which I included solely as a shitpost

[sinful nimbus]

oh nvm you're just as bad as TC

[stray grove]

I should just sue

[foggy stratus]

You're being demoted to 8th best lorr writer.

[sinful nimbus]

gromm

[stray grove]

https://tenor.com/view/who-is-he-who-is-that-peppa-pig-gif-13606975557282567491

[sinful nimbus]

was htat his name

[stray grove]

No

It was Gramm

[sinful nimbus]

Gramm mogs Scrounge

[stray grove]

They even killed the naming convention and had Scourge be completely unrelated to Lemm’s order

[sinful nimbus]

True

It should've been a trio of Lemm Gramm and Lomm

[foggy stratus]

Who's Gramm?

[sinful nimbus]

Relic Seeker Gramm

Ancient Civilization expert

[foggy stratus]

Scrounge isnt an official relic seeker. Just look at their state of inventory for their relics.

[sinful nimbus]

yeah why did they name her that 💔

amnesia

[plush spruce]

Hey what do the pilgrims worship exactly!??! Like I've beaten the game and all but do they just worship the citedeal in general? They constantly talk about proving their faith but to what?

[foggy stratus]

From my understanding they worship the concept of the citadel. Or the Weavers. Now I'm not too sure on it so don't take my word for it, but they seem to believe that the Citadel itself will judge their sins.

[hoary sparrow]

question about lace: ||is she and hornet related in some way? they have very similar combat style||

[foggy stratus]

Technically Lace is Hornet's aunt. But they never interacted before the events of Silksong, and Hornet trained under Vespa so its likely a coincidence.

[daring fog]

Yeah also she is a decindent of the wevers which grandmother silk created

[hoary sparrow]

damn that’s rlly cool

such a fun boss too

[patent crescent]

The weavers that Hornet had direct connections through left for Hollownest when it was still a new kingdom as well

[daring fog]

yeah

[patent crescent]

If I remember right there were some weavers there before as well, because they didn't side with the Pale King, but after everything started going south in Pharloom they travelled to other kingdoms

Even some we don't know about yet; they're very nomadic

[hoary sparrow]

what about widow?

[bitter berry]

Do you have to mark spoilers here or no

[foggy fractal]

not in this channel

[muted lantern]

Only sk help really requires spoiler tags

[patent crescent]

Not sure honestly

[molten reef]

Guys does anyone know evas lore?

??

[foggy stratus]

She was made to be an artificial Higher Being to combat GMS but the Weavers failed and she was too frail to leave her test tube thingy. She can only perceive beings through their soul(iirc) and has mind reading abilities.

[molten reef]

Ohhhh

okay thank you

[slim tree]

not really, none of grand mother silks children are biologically related, and phantom n lace aren’t even weavers, so no

[jagged sun]

Widow is just a weaver whose spherical mask thing got forcibly ripped off, which is why she wears a rag instead. But otherwise, she's just like any other weaver

[whole holly]

i wonder what Grand Mother Silk's Absolute Form will be like

[twin dragon]

gms but not starved

[foggy stratus]

GMS Wyrm form

[whole holly]

lol

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me an enemy.

[whole holly]

Infected Balloon

[foggy stratus]

From Silksong.

[whole holly]

okay then Pollenica

[foggy stratus]

"An odd creature with exceptional sensory organs. No matter how i sneak up upon it, it senses me. If only it were mobile, and it would make an excellent hunter."-The Hunter

[whole holly]

Gahlia and Phacia too

[foggy stratus]

"A strange defense mechanism. It bears a false mask within its petals. I wonder how such a being could develop this... Perhaps over countless generations a trait similar to this slowly became more pronounced. Hmm. No, that's foolish."-The Hunter

[whole holly]

wow, i mean you are really creative

[foggy stratus]

"Quite masterful camouflage upon this one. Appearing indistinguishable from a common flower until approached. Sadly for it, I destroy any flowers I pass. But its spores do irritate my eyes to a degree."-The Hunter

[whole holly]

There is a 1 in 250 chance that Sea of sorrow releases today! btw

[foggy stratus]

Hunter discovering evolution theory is totally full proof

[whole holly]

at max we have to wait 250 days but i think we will likely get it in 75 days

[whole holly]

unless they pull "we like developing sea of sorrow so much we decided to make it into it's own game" move

[foggy stratus]

"Guys, we had so much fun developing Sea of Sorrow it sorta snow balled into Zoteboat. Sorry not sorry"-Ari

[twin dragon]

developing everything BUT the narrative

[whole holly]

lol, yeah, game centered about Land of Storms Lifeblood...

[foggy stratus]

Don't bully them, they like making the game more than lore. Totally. Probably.

[twin dragon]

they cooked with the lore but they forgot this game isnt supposed to appeal towards murderous racist people

[foggy stratus]

Isn't that the target audience of metroidvanias?

[twin dragon]

I mean nine sols does appeal to murderous racist people

[whole holly]

wait wdym, i didn't finish it

[twin dragon]

oh fuck

[foggy stratus]

Also i have a theory on why Hornet is so racist towards the flies.
Vespa was a Tarantual Hawk Wasp and as such was evil as shit. This evilness rubbed off on Hornet which comes through as a deep systemic hatred towards flies because reasons bro. This is fully full proof, trust me

[whole holly]

i liked Bo : Path of teal lotus, it has cute character, not too lore rich, though

[twin dragon]

well you've seen it by now

[whole holly]

seen what??

[twin dragon]

specieism

[knotty prism]

wait what the fuck??

[foggy stratus]

Slab Fly entries.

[knotty prism]

oh yeah i forgot about those

[twin dragon]

i also want to forget but they exist

[whole holly]

Vespa being racist feels obvious, like way she says :" It is the pale beings that bear blame for your nature." and also : ...In time, they will come for you... Those who fear your nature, and those seeking to claim it...
...To survive our world you must learn to sting... swift and sudden...

[knotty prism]

to be fair though....

[whole holly]

i did kind of see it in Nine Sols, pretty dark...

[knotty prism]

they ARE disgusting

[foggy stratus]

Hence why I'm rewriting the entire Hunter's Journal as if THE Hunter wrote it.

[whole holly]

i mean Bilewater Stilkin are worse by every metric

[foggy stratus]

They look less disgusting ig.

I'd rather be stuck in a room with one of them than a slab fly tbh.

[whole holly]

don't judge by looks, they live in maggot infested place

[near jasper]

Ducts stilkin are fine only bilewater sucks

[whole holly]

i meant their area too, that's why i said it

[foggy stratus]

And Sinners Road Stillkin are fine

[whole holly]

Slabfly spit is bad but thousands of maggot and bile... whole Citadel waste...

[near jasper]

Why are There no stilkin bodies in the mist

[whole holly]

jail with poor hygiene vs toxic wasteland

i wish Sea of Sorrows shares a link with Land of Storms

[marble harness]

??

[marble harness]

That would be awesome

[whole holly]

yea

[foggy stratus]

Slab Fly Entires.

[twin dragon]

also karmegoata murder

[foggy stratus]

And Green Prince slaughter.

[foggy stratus]

I rewrote my Signis and Gron entry

"These two bugs possess an odd unity between one another. Fighting best with one another and able to seemingly wordlessly coordinate between each other. But even alone, they possess great skill. I lost an eye while chasing one through the docks they call home and seem to govern. If not for their ceaseless devotion to a task long rendered obsolete, they’d be excellent hunters. "-The Hunter

[foggy stratus]

Hunter will appear in Sea of Sorrow as a boss fight.

[whole holly]

*Plasmified Hunter

[foggy stratus]

Hes not dumb enough to eat too much plasmium after seeing Wormways.

He'll be compressed. Obviously.

[whole holly]

he already has consumed lifeblood, then he gets addicted...

[foggy stratus]

It'll be like a Prime Soul fight from ULTRAKILL. You fight the Compressed version, then the Hunter rips out of the shell like a vengful god and the real fight begins.

[foggy stratus]

Hes strong enough willed to not succumb to addiction. Surely...

[jagged sun]

What do you think that the Hunter's head looks like under the hood?

[whole holly]

lifeblood can't be resisted

everybody will succumb

[foggy stratus]

Nah, he built different.

[whole holly]

so is lifeblood

[foggy stratus]

A spherical head simialr to the Weavers ig.

[foggy stratus]

Hunter is built differenter.

[whole holly]

so is plasmium in act 3

[foggy stratus]

Hunter can resist the dream Møŧĥ.

[whole holly]

nope, he is pretty dumb, tbh

[foggy stratus]

Nuh uh

[whole holly]

yuh uh

[foggy stratus]

Nuh uh

[whole holly]

to be honest, Hunter will eat too much plasmified bugs

and plasmium too

[foggy stratus]

Yeah but the compressed idea is lowkey cooler. But knowing TC they'll just do plasmium:(

[foggy stratus]

But I will NOT stand for this Hunter slander. Hes not dumb enough to eat Plasmium after seeing the fucking Wormways.

[whole holly]

if he is in salt-stricken sea, i doubt he will know about wormways at first]

[foggy stratus]

Yeah true.

[sinful nimbus]

It is an alluring power

Hornet knows that its bad for you and has witnessed plasmification firsthand and continues to inject Lifeblood into herself

[foggy stratus]

Everything calls itself that these days.

[foggy stratus]

Its a means to an end and she can handle it for the most part.

And quite frankly she's a dumb ass

[sinful nimbus]

My unique shell can resist the darker deformations of this substance, but even I have limits...

[foggy stratus]

Yeah, she's a dumb ass.

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me an enemy.

[empty scarab]

spiders create webs to catch bugs to eat
but what bug is small enough for the ones in silksong to catch
those webs are pointless

did i forget something

[foggy stratus]

The spiders of Silksong just hunt normally.

[empty scarab]

are there smaller bugs we don't see

[foggy stratus]

Probably not.

[empty scarab]

the smallest we've seen are the ants

[foggy stratus]

The smallest thing we see are the Lifeseeds.

[empty scarab]

then why those small webs on some areas

[empty scarab]

not a true bug

or were there rly small spiders in deepnest i forgot

[foggy stratus]

Are you talking about the tiny "webs" in certain places that give you silk?

[foggy stratus]

Someone give me a random enemy.

[near jasper]

Pharlid diver

[foggy stratus]

"A natural born ambush hunter. While some may call its methods cowardly or cheap, I can appreciate the patience required for it. If only it were intelligent, I'd enjoy speaking with it about its tactics."-The Hunter

[near jasper]

Nice

[blissful harbor]

this is late but yes they do exist

[blissful harbor]

and this is just wrong we see tiny bugs in the quirrel comic

[sinful nimbus]

subnautica rockgrubs

so tiny it took me years to learn about their existence

[blissful harbor]

honestly though there should be another comic

theres gotta be right

and it should be about the wastes too

[sinful nimbus]

Ogrim's adventures away from Hallownest

He meets Seth and they bond over their lost wandering seed lovers

[blissful harbor]

it’s gotta be a character that makes sense for a SS comic

[blissful harbor]

ao3 is missing one of its writers

[sinful nimbus]

I should post Soul Master x Emilitia on there

[twin dragon]

acting like soul master wouldnt grab her and toss her into the corpse pile for a lil bit more soul

[sinful nimbus]

This before he got more and more infected

And you can handwave it away by saying he can only get away with killing the poor or whatever

[blissful harbor]

a comic about ogrim finding another wandering seed would actually be pretty cool if done right

[sinful nimbus]

canonize dung beetle and wandering seed symbiosis

[empty scarab]

yeah in some random abandonned rooms

[blissful harbor]

seth should’ve been a dung beetle instead

[sinful nimbus]

true

[empty scarab]

why did they put these

[blissful harbor]

and actual seth should’ve been placed somewhere else

[foggy stratus]

I think thats just stray silk getting caught on random stuff.

[empty scarab]

hm

[sinful nimbus]

The voice which fleshes out song magic

[empty scarab]

that does seem like some bullshit made up just to add a certain ambiance to some places...

[blissful harbor]

rip the song eater lair

“a land ruled by silk and song” my ass

i see only silk

and a music motif

[sinful nimbus]

we got a "hymn of protection" its OK

which makes runes

???

[blissful harbor]

very sad we have the warding bell
and weaversong ig but it’s not even in the damn game

[sinful nimbus]

what is this aesthetic why doesn't it show up anywhere else

[foggy stratus]

What's this?

[sinful nimbus]

magma bell effect

[blissful harbor]

warding bell shield

or magma

[sinful nimbus]

warding bell has something similar

[blissful harbor]

same thing

[sinful nimbus]

not on the wiki though

[sick tinsel]

"erm ekshually music was everywhere on pharloom at some point" 🤓

[foggy stratus]

It only shows up there because its custom made to protect agasint heat.

[blissful harbor]

ah yes the good ol pharloom of the past
back when we had coral gorge and karm was still alive

[sinful nimbus]

Its a bit odd that the Citadel songs don't use this aesthetic too though innit

Bit of a nitpick

But song magic has nothing in comparison to say dream magic

Or soul/silk magic but that's kinda nebulous and can do whatever the writers want

soul infection 🗣️

[blissful harbor]

soul infection is just the haunting

[sinful nimbus]

Why didn't PK haunt the racists in his kingdom

[foggy stratus]

Soul infection is called "Being alive"

[sinful nimbus]

Would've fixed the problem

[foggy stratus]

everything thats alive is infected by soul.

[sinful nimbus]

World sense and he didn't know about maggot racism 💔

[blissful harbor]

should’ve forced his beacon on them

[limpid summit]

Suspension of disbelief aside

Why does the beacon just not work on some bugs

Like what is it about crawlids and vengeflies that discourages them from sapience

[foggy stratus]

Maybe its that they're all infected.

Or they're too beast like.

Like dogs kinda.

[blissful harbor]

imo

i think the beacon elevates whats already there
rather than just granting sapience

so like, whats essentially just a pigeon is gonna stay as a pigeon

but more sosphicated bugs, like husks
which would be say apes in this example
have more to work with

[whole holly]

aren't some sapient bugs exempt too?

[blissful harbor]

like what

[limpid summit]

Okay I sort of get it

But then like

Stags

Maybe it’s a genetic thing not their roles

They always had that potential

So it still works

[whole holly]

hornet is basically same level of sapience in both games

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[blissful harbor]

yes not everything needs the beacon

[limpid summit]

The beacon doesn’t build upon what you have if you already have sapience

[whole holly]

so does beacon works on her? if not, why not?

[limpid summit]

She already has it

[blissful harbor]

no, because she’s already sapient and intelligent

there is nothing to be granted

[limpid summit]

From PK and Herrah who wouldnt need it

I think senris is implying there’s like a logistical peak if you’re a mantis you’re not just going to get smarter

[whole holly]

that's really inconsistent, bugs who don't have it don't get it and bugs who have it also don't get it, that's what you just said, basically

[limpid summit]

It’s the bare minimum sapience

[blissful harbor]

what
bugs that aren’t sapient are effected yet
bugs that are already sapient simply don’t need it

it doesn’t effect them because there is nothing to effect

idk what you mean

just being in the beacon doesn’t mean you need it

hornet never needed it

it’s why she is able to explore the edges of hallownest in the comic just fine

[whole holly]

you said if they don't have sapience, beacon elevates existing sapience basically

[blissful harbor]

yes?

it amplifies what is already there imo

[whole holly]

so it targets really specific niche, is what you are saying

[blissful harbor]

what

how is that what i’m saying at all

[limpid summit]

Haha got you

[blissful harbor]

it targets everything

some things are affected more

[whole holly]

?????

[blissful harbor]

don’t know how i could be more clear

[limpid summit]

Yes

[blissful harbor]

genuinely don’t know what you don’t get

[limpid summit]

The beacon stretches through all of Hallownest it does not affect Crawlids but it affects husks and flukes and Sheo and Quirrel etc

[rustic junco]

we don't get good, that's what we dont get

[blissful harbor]

i mean it probably does affect them
just not to the same degree

[whole holly]

so you say non-sapient bugs aren't affected and neither are fully sapient ones, only bugs who have something to elevate

[foggy stratus]

Senris are you saying the beacon only majorly effects bugs with some base level of sapiance?

[blissful harbor]

not at all what i said

[limpid summit]

Imagine the husks as chimps and the crawlids as wolves

The beacon would make the Crawlids smarter wolves and the chimps human

[blissful harbor]

no i’m saying it affects everything
anything with something actually worth while in its head is getting a bigger boost than a pigeon

i am saying animals like craw kids and vent flies, are that animals
bugs like husks and shit are more akin to apes and as such are just naturally more intelligent
there is more in their mind to work with
you expand a pigeons mind what are you gonna get, you get a domesticated pigeon
you expand a humanoid-stand in’s mind and you get a civilization

you get what i’m saying?

[blissful harbor]

this basically

[foggy stratus]

It turns Crawlids into pet birds and husks into people?

[blissful harbor]

do you know what a metaphor is

[foggy stratus]

Yes.

[blissful harbor]

well then

[foggy stratus]

I'm trying to make sure I understand the concept of what youre saying.

[whole holly]

i think i get it, so it affects everything, but outcome varies based on what was there originally and outcome is visible if you are bug with medium to moderate sapience??

[blissful harbor]

yessirr

[whole holly]

so it affects everyone? even hornet??

[limpid summit]

No

[blissful harbor]

i mean yes
but there isn’t anything to elevate, she’s the exact same as without it
so no but yes
she’s in the beacons range, but like she’s no different with or without it

[limpid summit]

The beacon does not expand the minds of individuals whose minds are already expanded as it pertains to sapience

[blissful harbor]

she’s not affected in that it granted her sapience

[limpid summit]

Otherwise the mantises and Shrumals would acquiesce to PK more

[blissful harbor]

she’s affected in that she’s in its magical range

[limpid summit]

They maintain their autonomy because their sapience is untouched

[whole holly]

okay, so perceived sapience simply stays the same? i get it now, but you and AppleEgg are saying it in different ways

[limpid summit]

We are

Are we

Alright

[eternal cove]

The Dream No More and Embrace the Void endings are both canon
It's just that the Knight becomes the Shade Lord in both endings
It just happens sooner in one of them

As for what happened to the Hollow Knight, I don't think that's for us to know

[limpid summit]

I mean not that much sooner right

[blissful harbor]

they wandered into the wastes and immediately died

[limpid summit]

You need VH for both

[sinful nimbus]

Sealed Siblings is canon too

[blissful harbor]

nuh uh

[eternal cove]

Ehhhhhh

No

[whole holly]

so new caledonian crow is really smart and can use try tools but their capability is limited and they can't build civilization, so you are saying that Beacon does something similar, elevates mind but capacity to use sapience also determines outcome

[limpid summit]

Final boss of steel epilogue will be a duo fight with THK

[sinful nimbus]

TK has void heart

Nothing prevents it from being canon

[limpid summit]

New Caledonian crow pull

[blissful harbor]

did TK die in sealed siblings to get to the abyss in SS

if so hallownest is fucked

infection for days

years

[eternal cove]

Caelondia
Takes a drag of my cigar
Now that's a place I haven't heard about in a long time

[sinful nimbus]

It could just control void while in the black egg tbf

[whole holly]

TC : hey guys, we changed our mind, Sealed Siblings is THE canon ending of hollow knight and Twisted Child is the Canon ending of Silksong

[limpid summit]

Could VH Sealed Siblings TK direct the void within itself to kill Rad or is that too conceptual for it

Does it have to like see the void like an arm

[whole holly]

is this reference i am not getting?

[sinful nimbus]

Rad's light would repel the void

[blissful harbor]

i do think it has to see or at least has a range for the void it controls

does the range go through realms is the question

[sinful nimbus]

Its the same being as the void and void can sense stuff its all seeing fr

do NOT bring up sister of the void or I will kill you

[blissful harbor]

then act 3 makes no sense

lmao

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah it doesn't

[whole holly]

TC should make me writer

[twin dragon]

no

not you

not you please

[sinful nimbus]

This your first time in #sk-lore or something smh

[twin dragon]

never get near their offices

[eternal cove]

Act 3 makes sense

[whole holly]

yes, Plasmium Infection is new infection

[whole holly]

Act 3 but replace void threads with plasmium

[blissful harbor]

not with the idea that TK is the void

[twin dragon]

Tk isn't the void

though

[sinful nimbus]

It is

Unless they retconned stuff

[blissful harbor]

the first game implied it was

it unified all void under its will

[twin dragon]

i mean physically yeah tk is the void

[whole holly]

it's too late for that, Nubbie, you will be sad to know that Plasmium is going to be only thing you will see from now on

[sinful nimbus]

But SOTV is just hype moments and aura not an intentional retcon

[twin dragon]

nika close your windows tonight

[sinful nimbus]

and it doesn't kill GMS immediately cuz uh

[twin dragon]

What if tk was just mad at the void and stuff

[limpid summit]

I don’t mind TK not being the void it sort of goes against the spirit of Void Heart but it makes Godseeker focus make more sense

[twin dragon]

instead of like needing to slash away tendrils

[whole holly]

i won't have to, i will be huffing plasmium and it has effects of revival and vitality

[limpid summit]

If it just increases its capability to manipulate void

[twin dragon]

larping as having played silksong

[sinful nimbus]

Its not as tuff

[twin dragon]

💔

[limpid summit]

Yeah I know

[sinful nimbus]

Also ETV sucks 🥀

[twin dragon]

truth

etv is a good ending in the sense of the alternative ending

thats not canon

[sinful nimbus]

I watched mossbag's lore video and read the wiki timeline so I should be fine

[limpid summit]

I think it’s more interesting sequel wise for THK to do its own thing but I don’t think it’s a happy ending for it

[twin dragon]

midbag smh smhj

[limpid summit]

I do want it to appear though

[twin dragon]

thk is dead

[eternal cove]

Developers are allowed to retcon their stories

[twin dragon]

please be dead

if thk is not dead

[blissful harbor]

THK is never gonna appear

[twin dragon]

dnm didnt happen

[whole holly]

i guess, can you say same about Twisted Child?

[lapis creek]

you are the enemy

[twin dragon]

and etv is canon

therefore its ass

[blissful harbor]

they are, but there are good ways and bad ways to do so imo

[twin dragon]

Kinda like twisted child yeah

[sinful nimbus]

ofc some retcons are good

[limpid summit]

It should have appeared in act 3 instead of THK lord

[eternal cove]

The Void has its own life independent of the vessels
Does it have a will? A goal? Probably not
It's like a bacterium or a virus
It just does what it does

TK, and all the vessels, are conscious minds that exists a much larger, far more straightforward and mechanical will
A drop in an ocean

[twin dragon]

now imagine twisted child as the canon ending

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong doesn't have any good retcons though

[lapis creek]

i'll take things nobody ever disagreed with for 500

[sinful nimbus]

its kinda impressive

[twin dragon]

Hating

im lwk gonna start hating too

[sinful nimbus]

Name a good one

[whole holly]

Team Cherry decided we are getting Plasmium-related ending Ending, Lost Lace is saved bug becomes plasmified

[twin dragon]

herrah being a weaver

[limpid summit]

Retconning all the steelhearts titles being their jobs so Jinn is just the “Soul” now

[twin dragon]

i will crucify you

[blissful harbor]

if herrah being a weaver had an actual explanation for her appearance
it would be a good retcon

[foggy stratus]

Honestly I was in utter disbelief on my first time through the Red Memory hive section.

[eternal cove]

You're not gonna find "Developers are allowed to retcon their stories" on that list
Like it or not, people are, in fact, big mad

[limpid summit]

Removes the little we have about the native spider tribe

[twin dragon]

"little" and its literally nothing

they did nothing with it

[limpid summit]

Exactly

[sinful nimbus]

Herrah being a weaver was completely unnecessary for the plot

[whole holly]

yeah, true, we need to know more about Sire of Deepnest

[twin dragon]

and likely never were gonna do that

so to me that's a neat retcon

[limpid summit]

They totally were

[twin dragon]

So hornet wasn't part weaver

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

Who cares it doesn't matter

[lapis creek]

those are two different things though surely you can see that right

[twin dragon]

and yk, weavers use the silkslop stuff

[foggy stratus]

Literally a key reason the game even happens.

[whole holly]

Hornet would have just as easily manipulated Silk since she is pale spider

[twin dragon]

larping as having played the game 2

[limpid summit]

Yeah regular spiders have silk too

[sinful nimbus]

Her father was a soul wizard bro

[limpid summit]

Hornets silk and soul inseparably bound makes sense without her being a Weaver

[eternal cove]

How can someone be big mad about someone saying something without disagreeing with it

[twin dragon]

yeah but apparently only weavers can shape soul into silk

[blissful harbor]

i mean
hornet could have soul silk without being a weaver

[sinful nimbus]

We knew she used soul silk before the retcon and no one batted an eye

[blissful harbor]

before the weaver reveal, we all thought it was just spider mixed with PKs soul magic

[foggy stratus]

GMS was specifically hunting Weaver and Weaver-Spawn

[twin dragon]

Hornet can just harvest soul out of other bugs and doesn't need to sacrifice part of herself every time she produces it

[whole holly]

i mean technically yeah, but even if she can shape it doesn't mean she can't use it who knows

[twin dragon]

she didn't

when did hornet use soul silk 💔

[sinful nimbus]

Sure but Hornet has their powers (but better)

[limpid summit]

Gossamer storm (peak) was soul silk

[sinful nimbus]

larp larp larp sahur

[blissful harbor]

a easy change
hornet is a god child

[twin dragon]

It's regular ass silk twin

[sinful nimbus]

Her silk was pretty visibly magic

[limpid summit]

It’s glowing white

[twin dragon]

brother spider silk is white

[blissful harbor]

it was always magical

[lapis creek]

"developers are allowed to retcon their stories" is an empty statement because nobody disagrees that they are allowed to do xyz

[sinful nimbus]

It was also confimed in a blog post in about 2019

[limpid summit]

Yeah but it’s dull white in HK

Not pale white

[blissful harbor]

she has her own room in the first game with a seal of binding in it called “hornets room”
she always had an element of magic to her silk

[foggy stratus]

Then they'd have to explain why GMS decided hunting down the child of a foreign God was a good idea.

[lapis creek]

people disagree with them having done the thing

[twin dragon]

it is shiny-gray ish in hk though

[whole holly]

no dude, no, it's literally dull greyish white, stop with larperslop

[lapis creek]

for obvious reasons

[blissful harbor]

weavers are all dead
she had to expand her sights

[limpid summit]

I do like Herrah being a Weaver for one reason

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet also said she and TK drew upon the same strength from a shared source

[blissful harbor]

and hornet was raised by the weavers

she’s the next best thing

[foggy stratus]

Also how tf would Hornet be sensed. I'd assume GMS sensing Weaver-Spawn has to do with them being Weaver-Spawn.

[whole holly]

weaver would never do any good for hallownest

[twin dragon]

but they did

[eternal cove]

If you guys tried to parse Dark Souls lore you'd literally have a stroke

[blissful harbor]

she has silk

[whole holly]

only because of retconsong

[twin dragon]

yeah dark souls lore is mid

[limpid summit]

It forces people to accept the CORRECT interpretation of the timeline at the risk of suggesting Hornet’s own mother perpetuated atrocities in the citadel and it just goes unmentioned

[twin dragon]

Implied they did stuff for hallownest before

[foggy stratus]

So she's just even more evil then. Yeah I can stand by that, fuck Fraud Mother Silk.

[twin dragon]

they were always represented as crafty

[sinful nimbus]

Silken sight Pharloom also could've been notified of her existence by the returning Hallownest weavers (although those have no relevance to the plot because uhhhhh)

[eternal cove]

Yall getting completely hung up on things that don't matter at all

[blissful harbor]

what matters

[limpid summit]

Oh woe is us

[twin dragon]

retconned out of existence

[blissful harbor]

how do you determine what matters in lore

[twin dragon]

cuz they never ended up doing anything with it

[limpid summit]

Woe is we?

[twin dragon]

which is fine to me

[limpid summit]

Woe is us

[foggy stratus]

Nothing really matters, anyone can see. Nothing really matters...

[limpid summit]

To meeeeee

[whole holly]

if some dude says so

[blissful harbor]

to meeee

[twin dragon]

nothing matters as long as i dont like it

[blissful harbor]

shut up apple

[twin dragon]

its so simple

[sinful nimbus]

sequel bait not in the sequel 😭

[eternal cove]

Herrah is or isn't the specific kind of weaver that came from Pharloom
What does it matter if the devs retconned it to make their story work

[twin dragon]

would they write skong around the fact that they returned

[blissful harbor]

weavers only come from pharloom

[limpid summit]

There aren’t weavers that didn’t come from Pharloom

[twin dragon]

tbf it is never stated that they came back

[blissful harbor]

that is were they were made

[twin dragon]

either way

[blissful harbor]

literally

[lapis creek]

SHES A DIFFERENT KIND OF WEAVER

thats a new one

i like thar

[limpid summit]

And their story doesn’t work 💔💔💔

[blissful harbor]

she’s a drapemite ong

[limpid summit]

They retconned it only to write a bad story

[whole holly]

some are ascended giant drapemites or at least look suspiciously like one

[foggy stratus]

She's a different kind of Weaver since she's made from a Pharlid Diver

[eternal cove]

Aaaaand there's no longer any point talking to you, goodbye

[twin dragon]

there was never a guarantee that they came back

holy larp

[limpid summit]

Erm…did he just say what I think he said

[blissful harbor]

like which ones

besides herrah

[lapis creek]

apple did you catch that

[twin dragon]

No direct evidence

for that

herrah is just different because unexplained

[limpid summit]

I would believe Herrah Drapemite if they didn’t try to hamfistedly slim her down

[blissful harbor]

trueee

[lapis creek]

they really made a point of telling you that there was no point in telling you things

[whole holly]

Grand Mother Silk clearly did it on accident, duhhh

[lapis creek]

even pinged you

[eternal cove]

"Silksong is a bad story"
What an un-serious thing to say
They wrote a story you don't like
And I'll bet 1000 rosaries you don't like it because it made you uncomfortable

[sinful nimbus]

why are you in this channel if you don't like silksong

[lapis creek]

just want to make sure it doesnt go over your head

[sinful nimbus]

goodbye, blocked!

[twin dragon]

silksong's story has flaws

undeniable

[limpid summit]

Yeah actually the Twisted Child plotline was very offensive and genuinely made me uncomfortable

[blissful harbor]

it did make me uncomfortable
i didnt like how hornet went naked in the slab
0/10 would never play again

there a kids to think about smh

[whole holly]

but no point in devoting time to game you don't like

[sinful nimbus]

I can think of a few journal entries that made me deeply uncomfortable

[twin dragon]

the game made me uncomfortable the protagonist is FEMALE

[lapis creek]

you can say this about literally anything that is bad though

it's so easy

[foggy stratus]

Impossible, my favorite game developers are incapable of doing any wrong. That's why Bilewater and Father of the Flame are actually amazing

[limpid summit]

You could say this about dwltarune

[twin dragon]

kris is a they

[blissful harbor]

deltarune slander will not be tolerated

[limpid summit]

Which I think is better than silksong

[twin dragon]

nuh uh

[whole holly]

you don't like deltarune...?

[twin dragon]

friendship good

ass story

[whole holly]

saved face

[twin dragon]

what does mog is bloodborne that shit is gas

[foggy stratus]

Kris is an it because Kris is a vessel for the SOUL and as we all onow Vessels are genderless

[twin dragon]

truth nuke

[whole holly]

performative criticism

[eternal cove]

I approve of this

[twin dragon]

Mio's story is also very mid i didnt see the glazers mention that huh

[lapis creek]

bilewater is great

[eternal cove]

You're not wrong but I think both are good

[lapis creek]

get outta here

[foggy stratus]

I specifically hate Slubberlugs.

[blissful harbor]

uhhh
i think kris is a guy cuz i’m a guy and kris is me
( i play the game with my eyes closed)

[lapis creek]

thats fair

[limpid summit]

I like a lot of Silksong but I think the themes are better than the story they are interlaced with

[twin dragon]

recycled a bad trope that's infamously been used in the most milked videogame franchise oat

[lapis creek]

you really cooked with this one

[twin dragon]

if only skong had void foreshadowing

[lapis creek]

excellent work

[eternal cove]

And I'm sorry the Twisted Child plotline made you uncomfortable
I didn't think about that
Maybe Team Cherry should've given a heads up
I don't hate the plotline itself though
Dark Souls and Bloodborne have way fucked up things than that

[sinful nimbus]

dw twin

[limpid summit]

Thank you cheese

No the twisted child plotline didn’t actually make me uncomfortable

[twin dragon]

literally aborted btw

[foggy stratus]

At this point people are just too lazy to type words out fully. Oat. Fucking oat.

[lapis creek]

apple did the twisted child plotline make you uncomfortable

[limpid summit]

I can understand the implications but I dont think it was meant in that sense

[lapis creek]

i mean maybe it was

[twin dragon]

Of All Time

[limpid summit]

Now the slabfly entries did actually sort of make me raise my eyebrows

[blissful harbor]

they jst weren’t thought about thst much

[foggy stratus]

Yeah I picked up but still.

[lapis creek]

if those were the implications it's not really that uncomfortable

[twin dragon]

slabfly entries are the most egregious bad writing skong has

i dont know

why

[blissful harbor]

wrong

[twin dragon]

or how

[blissful harbor]

it’s the everbloom

[lapis creek]

true!

[twin dragon]

they exist

[whole holly]

there are 7 tropes, dude, some things are going to reappear

[blissful harbor]

those are genuine errors

[twin dragon]

Mio has it unnecessarily bad tbf

[lapis creek]

hornet committed genocide

[sinful nimbus]

Its OK

[lapis creek]

she belongs in the hague

[sinful nimbus]

Who plays a Metroidvania for the story

[blissful harbor]

no mio spoilers plz chat

[twin dragon]

like it made me think of fnaf

it made me remember

how shit fnaf's lore is

[foggy stratus]

Hence why I'm writing better ones.

[sinful nimbus]

No spoilers smh

[eternal cove]

What's slabfly entries
I forget

[twin dragon]

tryna make it somewhat ambiguous

[foggy stratus]

[sinful nimbus]

uh, this made me kinda uncomfortable :/

[blissful harbor]

hornet talking about how slaves deserve to be eradicated

basically

[lapis creek]

slaves

[foggy stratus]

Slaves*

[blissful harbor]

autocorrect couldn’t even believe it

[eternal cove]

Oh yeah the slabflies
I remember now

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is the slaver ofc

[twin dragon]

Everbloom isn't that bad honestly, its moreso the fact that we never see any of the flowers in the palace

[sinful nimbus]

You are a nuisance and a slave... begone.

[twin dragon]

white colonialist vs dark skinned colonized

[blissful harbor]

it’s what it does to the void and PK thst makes jt bad

it’s the “only means to resist against the void”

[limpid summit]

“Did I peer into the foundations of my own kingdom” peer into this one first son

[lapis creek]

she kills the broodmother and, paraphrasing, says "by doing this i hope to have brought about the end of [the slabflies]"

[sinful nimbus]

Everbloom came out of nowhere its funny asf

[blissful harbor]

which is just

[lapis creek]

or whatever

their 'order'

[twin dragon]

yeah thats a weird ass retcon

one of the worse ones

[foggy stratus]

I think maybe WL just has no idea all you need us a strong enough light.

[lapis creek]

i dont know if that's distinct from their species and/or their culture

[sinful nimbus]

"gee I've gotten myself into a pickle here... but oh my gosh I just remembered there's an anti-void flower we should go grab that real quick"

[twin dragon]

but as a narrative element its cool

[blissful harbor]

so she’s just stupid

even worse

[limpid summit]

Everbloom is tuffer as Hornet making a psychic connection to the real living WL and she sends you a flower

[foggy stratus]

WL is stupid. This is totally new info.

[limpid summit]

Not mutually exclusive with taking it out of a memory

[twin dragon]

the everbloom is a glorified flashlight

[blissful harbor]

nuh uh
first light shit is stupid

[twin dragon]

nothing weaver tech.co can't fix

[foggy stratus]

[sinful nimbus]

First light isn't a full on retcon tbf its just kinda an awkward line

[blissful harbor]

fair

[sinful nimbus]

PK and the lighthouse probably still exist

[twin dragon]

how

[sinful nimbus]

WL wasnt stupid tf

[blissful harbor]

how is the everbloom the first light

[sinful nimbus]

Was the #hk-lore slander of WL rooted in misogyny

[blissful harbor]

“first” light implies so much

about HBs in general and where they come form

[eternal cove]

I think the Slabflies are a genuine mistake
If I recall correctly, Hornet shows respect for the bugs in Sinners Road and Bilewater, which are comparably inhospitable and miserable locations
I don't think Team Cherry had ill intentions

[blissful harbor]

pale beings at least

[twin dragon]

smt smt maybe it's the first of the flowers or wtv

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah slabflies are just a joke taken too far

[twin dragon]

we will never know

[limpid summit]

Yeah which is why the mishandling of the writing makes her look genuinely prejudiced toward the slabflies as people

[twin dragon]

slabflies entries are horrendous because its so blatantly out of character

[limpid summit]

It’s an innocent mistake

[twin dragon]

its funny

[limpid summit]

Now they can’t fix it because it’ll be on icebergs and stuff

[blissful harbor]

it will appear again

unfortunately

[twin dragon]

it better appear again and they better explain shit

[blissful harbor]

they’ll explain even less actually

[twin dragon]

hornet becomes himmler for 5 minutes

[blissful harbor]

we will know less than what we did last time we saw it like usual

[foggy stratus]

New favorite quote from you.

[twin dragon]

thank you for keeping track

[sinful nimbus]

They gonna concoct some origin story about how first there was just pure darkness (void) then the everbloom came in and blah blah you get the gist its just the basic fantasy thing

[limpid summit]

Maybe the rune cage messed up her brain chemistry for a bit

[twin dragon]

im lwk intrigued

call me basic

[sinful nimbus]

Lands Serene is at the top of the world

[blissful harbor]

yea that’s my guess too
not exactly

but yk some kinda creation story

[twin dragon]

more intrigued than after discovering that ||pearls are oh actually humans inside ooooh such twist so spooky so original so logical || Big mio spoilers

[lapis creek]

i was hoping they would do something like this

[lapis creek]

ok but it's so bad though

[blissful harbor]

hats the worst route cheese

[eternal cove]

In the beginning
The world was foggy and formless
Filled with naught but gray crags, archtrees, and immortal dragons

But then, there was fire
And with fire came disparity
Heat and Cold
Life and Death
Light and Dark

[sinful nimbus]

This makes sense and is interesting for their characters

[lapis creek]

it doesnt even just assassinate hornet's character

[blissful harbor]

literally the opposite of the void

land of light
get outta here

go back to fanfics

[twin dragon]

||It quite literally doesnt make sense and there's barely characterization for most pearls (halyn being the best character in the game aside)|| mio spoilers blah blah

[foggy stratus]

"In the beginning, there was nothing. Until... the Cube."

[lapis creek]

songclave is a town that subsists on donations, but at the same time the populace are able to invest hundreds of rosaries into genocides on the other side of the citadel

[twin dragon]

you aren't supposed to think about the logistics of it because its dumb

[sinful nimbus]

I think you might need to read up more lowk

[lapis creek]

caretaker and sherma are both either complicit or willing to participate

[sinful nimbus]

Also what logistics

[twin dragon]

||tossing people into pearls instead of yk, clankers existing to a point where they can become fully sapient and develop personalities||

[eternal cove]

From the dark, they came
And found the souls of lords within the flame
Nito, First of the Dead
The Witch of Izalith, and her daughters of chaos
Gwyn, and his faithful knights
And the furtive pygmy, so easily forgotten

[whole holly]

oh, i haven't played it

[lapis creek]

ok i didnt think there would be void in silksong at the time

[twin dragon]

It's not even necessary there are plenty of robots in mio that have personalities