sk-lore

[stray grove]

That was actually about GP but Karm also works lmao

[limpid summit]

Silksong doesn’t have those hard ass lore NPCs really

[stray grove]

I mean Karm didn’t mind

[sinful nimbus]

Quirrel's got some good lines too

[limpid summit]

Twelfth architect SS

[stray grove]

She accepted her challenge knowing what it meant

[cedar skiff]

subtle caretaker shade

[sinful nimbus]

Ballador

[limpid summit]

Yeah I know but the dialogue doesn’t reflect that Hornet should have just said mercy kill

[stray grove]

It’s just that she kills her for literally no reason

[limpid summit]

True true caretaker

[spark valve]

12 has some good ones I can’t fully remember off the cuff

[limpid summit]

I meant big dudes

Sentinel explanation was good from them

[sinful nimbus]

Twice I've seen this world and though my service may have stripped the first experience from me, I'm thankful I could witness its beauty again.

ts was peak

[limpid summit]

Gives us good weaver citadel lore

[stray grove]

Lugoli has the best line in the game

[limpid summit]

Oh my GOD

[floral quiver]

Outside of her badass exterior being a front for genuine heroic tendencies that she constantly lies to herself about, her belittlement of her father and her making fast friends with other warrior types.

Like, that's a fair amount of more character than we got in HK. I can see why it wouldnt be to someone's taste but to say we didnt get Hornets personality is just wrong.

[cedar skiff]

needolining the chorus in the architects workshop made me feel the aura

[limpid summit]

You know headcanoning that Quirrel knows you’re a Vessel by Blue Lake makes me love the dialogue

“Incredible…”

[sinful nimbus]

I don't like her belittling her father

[limpid summit]

Is it aura to do Monomon right before Rad

[sinful nimbus]

Bro doesn't know about kingsmoulds

Or THK apparently

[floral quiver]

Why?

[limpid summit]

Then sit with Quirrel before Black Egg

[stray grove]

The plague, the infection, the madness that haunts the corpses of Hallownest... the light that screams out from the eyes of this dead Kingdom.
I liked this description of Rad

[cedar skiff]

why its interesting

[sinful nimbus]

I just said why man

[cedar skiff]

and its good it gets brought up at all in THE motherhood game

[limpid summit]

GMS could NEVER

[sinful nimbus]

It has no real impact on her character or the narrative

[cedar skiff]

it does

[sinful nimbus]

Just kinda makes her look dumb

[limpid summit]

Pharlooms Folly is the closest we get to GMS gas and we don’t even see it in game

[sinful nimbus]

What would change about the motherhood theme had her dialogue not been included

[foggy fractal]

insert Hornet forgot kingsmoulds image here

[cedar skiff]

she spent a lot of her long life making up for her papa‘s failed plan

[stray grove]

“The light that screams out from the eyes of this dead kingdom” 🥶
“Her who would snuff that hope with barely a glance” 🥱

[cedar skiff]

it doesnt change it it just adds to it

[floral quiver]

Because she treats her father like a bug that made a stupid decision rather than a god?

[limpid summit]

In universe is silk named after GMS

Like is it like if we called silk Jerry

[sinful nimbus]

She's not exactly resentful of it in HK though

[limpid summit]

She also forgives WL

[sinful nimbus]

The one moment of GMS glaze gets overshadowed by Hornet saying even gods fall that's crazy

[floral quiver]

We dont know that. Her entire persona is revealed to be a front.

[cedar skiff]

retroactive continuatity can be goid

[sinful nimbus]

when

This is coal though

[stray grove]

It doesn’t make sense for Hornet to not at the very least try to understand where her father was coming from

[cedar skiff]

i lije this because its contrast from the pale king dialogue were used to

[limpid summit]

Even a little more of this would have been nice

Imagine if GMS was just a giant wraith

[foggy fractal]

a little more of ⬜ ?

[limpid summit]

No black no random iconography

[stray grove]

..For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant...
...And so we must seem, for such is the cost of our wish...
Like she got along with this bum lmao

WL genuinely a bad person

[cedar skiff]

i thought my discord was tweaking

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is so blinded by her (irrational) rage for her father that she forgets about THK and the moulds in an entry bro 😭

[floral quiver]

Why? He failed and got her stuck on guard duty for eons.

[spark valve]

[limpid summit]

All to bow... All lost to fear... Now none to resist... But us... Alone... against the pale light...

Man if Khann wasn’t an afterthought this would have been SO COOL

[sinful nimbus]

This kinda unfortunate WL was a great character

[limpid summit]

Imagine seeing a mural or something of GMS fighting Khann

[cedar skiff]

wait why is wl characterization in silkongnbad

[sinful nimbus]

she evil bruh

[stray grove]

I actually did like her a lot in HK even though it was fun to joke about

[sinful nimbus]

abusive mom

She's like what #hk-lore thought about her for some reason but for real this time

[stray grove]

She at least had some nuance there

[cedar skiff]

all this to get low diffed by a bottle cap on your river

[stray grove]

Well hk lore went from thinking she was just a loving mom to thinking she was just dumb and senile to thinking she was genuinely just evil

[cedar skiff]

i mean that doesnt make it bad characterization

[limpid summit]

Red Memory should have been about establishing a link to the real WL and she sends you one of the QG Everblooms

[cedar skiff]

im genuinely curious i dont care for wl that muh to analyse her silksong dialogue

[stray grove]

Anyway yes WL was more interesting in the first game

We also have her to blame for the goofy ahh first light dialogue

[spark valve]

Well yeah she was actually in it

[limpid summit]

Would a smaller WL have been cooler

[foggy fractal]

A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding. 🗣️

[stray grove]

What Silksong adds makes her worse though

I’m talking about her character as a whole

In HK she was a pretty interesting parallel to PK

The ways in which they reacted to the failure of the vessel project and their general characterization

[foggy fractal]

so many characters becoming screwed over by silksong... hopefully thk ain't next

[sinful nimbus]

the senile accusations were crazy man

[limpid summit]

If THK talks I am refunding the game

[spark valve]

[sinful nimbus]

Not as good for the framing of the scene + sizeshifting agenda

[stray grove]

For some reason people had one braincell when it came to WL and nobody could appreciate her nuance

[limpid summit]

Valid

[foggy fractal]

😨 ?

[limpid summit]

Also if Hornet calls TK Hollow like she does in fan comics

Why do people do that

[stray grove]

Either she’s a hapless victim or she’s senile or she’s fucking evil

[spark valve]

They’ll find a way

[foggy fractal]

god I hope not

[stray grove]

Well SS picked one of those so maybe the nuance was accidental on TC’s part

Just like how we now know PK was evil and reckless and stupid

[floral quiver]

Alas... spider's child...
...For our ways you will think us harsh... You will think us uncaring, unrepentant...
...And so we must seem, for such is the cost of our wish...
Hornet: You are wrong, Lady...
Hornet: I knew the wish, and the price to achieve it. And now, across these many ages, I have only come to know it better...
Hornet: Strength... in mind, in care, in claw. Strength enough that I may live to see a world better than our own, or to craft a world as I desire.
Hornet: That was the wish, of my mother, of my mentor, and of you...

Totally abusive.

Wanting to make her daughter capable of changing the world, and acknowledging how that would probably make Hornet feel, with Hornet understanding it because she became strong and capable and able to change the world.

[spark valve]

I mean ss doesn’t even say that

[sinful nimbus]

If Silksong is about cycles of abuse and WL is abusive to Hornet what does that mean for PK

Food for thought!

[stray grove]

No Hornet does and the game expects us to nod

[floral quiver]

Not evil. Just reckless and stupid.

[limpid summit]

Or caring and intelligent

[stray grove]

Hornet probably thinks PK was evil

Otherwise she wouldn’t consider the idea of Hallownest having been the result of slave labour

[sinful nimbus]

I mean he clearly studied void and stuff I don't think its reasonable to call him reckless or stupid

Especially when the game hammers home there was no alternative solution and that he was up against an impossible task

[stray grove]

Yeah but Hornet also forgot about the results of his extensive research apparently

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet meeting THK in City of Steel DLC and not knowing who it is

She forgot about Phantom its possible

[foggy fractal]

again shes very old

dementia is getting to her

[spark valve]

lost her memory from leaving hallownest duh

[stray grove]

Also the whole pale being thing is more about centralizing power than it is about PK being a bad guy specifically but from Hornet’s dialogue it’s clear she didn’t hold him in very high regard

[limpid summit]

I think Red Memory did preserve Vespa even though I do t like Hivesteel

[stray grove]

Like PK didn’t give in to his nature why’s he getting lumped in to these conversations about desiring dominance and whatnot

[limpid summit]

She’s cool

[spark valve]

I mean it's really detached from her role in hk so whatever there's just not much overlap

hivesteel is goofy

[stray grove]

Hivesteel is stupid as fuck

[limpid summit]

...In time, they will come for you... Those who fear your nature, and those seeking to claim it...
To survive our world you must learn to sting... swift and sudden...

[stray grove]

Yeah the hive is known for its metalwork where the only piece of metal is a stolen bench

[limpid summit]

Who was she even talking abt

[spark valve]

nobody in specific

[sinful nimbus]

Vespa's hivesteel mines

[foggy fractal]

nah its sharpe and co trust

[spark valve]

they just come if you do void stuff (don't ask why they didn't come to hallownest)

[stray grove]

PK was so cool man

[sinful nimbus]

Would seeing a compressed White Lady and Unn be tuff

We don't know what happened to them

Big emotional moment for Hornet

[stray grove]

I was so hoping for new PK/Wyrm lore in SS

[sinful nimbus]

tf

[spark valve]

hornet's crest stuff is cool

[stray grove]

But all of his mentions it’s either about his evil genes or him keeping slaves or him being a reckless idiot

[spark valve]

malleable nature

[sinful nimbus]

bro wanted rehashed content

[stray grove]

That is cool but it doesn’t make up for the rest of her magic getting attributed to the weavers

Herrah retcon genuinely pointless

[spark valve]

innate soul magic from two sources

[limpid summit]

Imagine if Skynx started out with Herrah’s mask

Not her face because Hornet doesn’t remember it

[stray grove]

Yeah but all of her shit is just weaver shit

[spark valve]

maybe it does

her face

[stray grove]

You could argue the pale shell is what lets her cast that way but it’s never really mentioned anywhere

[spark valve]

faded out of active memory

[spark valve]

but she's abnormally powerful

[stray grove]

The coolest Wyrm thing is GMS getting a Wyrm form in the cut ending

[stray grove]

They should have glazed Wyrms more

[spark valve]

meh

casting a bright light on how weak everything in pharloom is would be a choice

[stray grove]

Nobody really talks about Hornet’s Wyrm heritage outside the context of her evil genes

(Which she also gets from GMS)

[spark valve]

mm

[stray grove]

Yeah mm

He calls her Wyrm child because he’s the only one with the sense to realize that’s the only notable thing about her

[sinful nimbus]

can you imagine helping someone out of the goodness of your heart and they say "Yeah that's not in your nature bub"

[foggy fractal]

who tf contracted mm in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

Oh the mushroom

[spark valve]

eva doesn't explicitly identify a wyrm thing but she's astounded by hornet's nature

[foggy fractal]

I would be the bigger bug and leave

[sinful nimbus]

Eva is great

[stray grove]

The malleable nature stuff is cool

I like that

I’m always down for more PK upscale

How many crests do you think PK had

[spark valve]

Your mask... It reads clear enough, Old One. Watcher, hunter, monarch even, though you may reject that station.
wyrm glaze

[sinful nimbus]

King's Brand is his crest

[spark valve]

yap

[sinful nimbus]

If HK had crests they would do this be fr

[stray grove]

One of them maybe
I do like the idea of KB kinda being a crest retroactively (obviously that concept didn’t exist in HK) but it is yap

MM does say some interesting shit though

The HK one

Either way the Brand does have significantly affect TK’s nature

Do you think PK has a Blackwyrm Crest from binding him

Or a Xero Crest

[foggy fractal]

hell naw!

[stray grove]

Idk who else he could’ve absorbed

He didn’t really have enemies

[foggy stratus]

What's going on rn?

[spark valve]

if the blackwyrm was a wyrm they'd probably both have malleable crests with a similar base one

[stray grove]

I don’t think it was a wyrm

[foggy stratus]

No PK's crest obviously only had red and white slots on it

[sinful nimbus]

y'all think there are like lesser wyrms

Its like a common fantasy trope for dragons

[spark valve]

eh

there might be other wyrm spawn out there, I don't think they have a strong reproductive drive but apparently things happen

[stray grove]

I mentioned this in Bob’s backstory

[foggy stratus]

Depends on what you mean by lesser. If you mean non-Higher Being ones then no. If you mean ones that were worse than PK than yes.

[spark valve]

we don't mention that here

[stray grove]

But yeah

Based on Bardoon and MM’s dialogue which is like all we know about them idk how there could be lesser ones

[sinful nimbus]

Vyrms

[foggy stratus]

Like Voltvyrm?

[stray grove]

Their basic characteristics are being huge and strong having foresight and creating kingdoms (which they have a magical method of doing)

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah exactly

[stray grove]

Unless lesser wyrms weren’t actual wyrms

But something else

Voltvyrm isn’t even a single organism

[sinful nimbus]

Related species

[foggy stratus]

Voltvyrm isnt even Wyrm like being iirc.

[worthy ferry]

Who tf is voltvyrm

[stray grove]

Silksong boss

[spark valve]

[[voltvyrm]]

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Voltvyrm

[worthy ferry]

Oh ok

[stray grove]

Coiled nest of charged worms. Assaults intruders with bolts of crackling electricity.

Barely a bug, and possessing only basic thought, yet instinct alone proved enough to turn it deadly.

[foggy stratus]

Barely a bug accoridng to Hornet.

[stray grove]

ts barely qualifies as a living organism and the one we fight is a whole ass nest

I don’t think there’s a lesser wyrm related species

[sinful nimbus]

Not a bug ✅
Barely any thought ✅
Dangerous to the region ✅

Sounds like PK to me bro

[stray grove]

So true

[foggy stratus]

Sounds more like the Radiance to me tbh.

Voltvyrm is a moth

[sinful nimbus]

Radiance doesn't have thoughts she is a thought herself

[floral quiver]

Or she at the time just had the potentiality shoved in her face after growing up being a recipient of Hallownest's grandeur (being a bug in the Pale Court, having the ear of the queen and all) without needing to assume slavery was involved.

Now she's seen a kingdom who's grandeur grows from such practice she's forced to consider "was it?"

[edgy nebula]

gravity falls memory gun neg diffs radiance

[spark valve]

You’d have to use it on everyone but yeah

[floral quiver]

That was basically the Kings first plan.

[dire lynx]

wdym

[floral quiver]

Working on finding the post I saw with a lore breakdown on it. If I don't post about it in the near future please assume I'm wrong on this, yeah?

[charred viper]

Maybe like getting put in the ocean. Like getting swallowed by the sea? Idk

Idk if that would make sense

[floral quiver]

Yeah, pretty sure I read a headcanon using the lore as a jumping off point. Mew culpa.

[charred viper]

[floral quiver]

Swallowing silk as their sin was infirmary, being ill. One of the things that silk does is harden one to illness

[charred viper]

Yeah

[floral quiver]

But it doesnt always take, thus they died. Absolution was given after death as their sin wasn't bad enough to mar them even in death

[charred viper]

Ah

[floral quiver]

Note that the penitent in this case was high up in the hierarchy, fourth of the fourth.

Considering the Weavers are the first, the Citadel castes would reasonably be second through fourth.

[uneven narwhal]

I’m currently at wisp thicket and I kinda noticed the similarities between the Grimm troupe and burning bugs, they both use some kind of flames and both of them have kinda similar features in their designs (like the red cloaks for example) and both of them live in large red tents, are they somehow related by any chance? I’m really curious

[candid linden]

I doubt it

[pseudo narwhal]

Also the boss of the area called the Father of Flames (compare to "burn the father, feed the child") and looks like a construct for some ritual and bugs here is not affected by Haunting or void.
So I agree this may be a Crimson Heart cult (but not sure they are directly related to Grimm troupe)

[dapper willow]

They are affected by the haunfing

[solar gale]

No

[pseudo narwhal]

Hm, they are worshipping Father and wish to be immolated, and can't be affected by black threads. This does not look like Haunting?

[uneven narwhal]

i think that giant thing could be like tryina imitate troupe? since it wears a similar cloth in design to the one that the dead bug wears when you summon the grimm troupe (my theory is that they could be trying to bring the grmm troupe into the pharloom to summon the ritual again)

[uneven narwhal]

i think this thing is like the makeshift lantern that grimm troupe uses to summon them into the kingdom so by creating this giant thing they wanted the grimm troupe to arrive into the pharloom

[pseudo narwhal]

It may be
My theory was that they are mostly underworkers and silk catchers from the greymoor that escaped their shitty job and are trying to get some sort of salvation this way
(But basically they just fall under control of another Higher Being)

They may not even know about Grimm troupe existence, but this is unclear

But tbh I would be glad to fight NKG as Hornet in some future dlc :D

[uneven narwhal]

hmm maybe, my theory is that these bugs migrated into pharloom (judging by their tents rather than full blown buildings in the area) and they might have witnessed the grimm troupe before or its glimpse at least and they fell under the control of the higher being and they since have been trying to contact them or smh

[uneven narwhal]

same

[craggy smelt]

interesting idea

the big bug in Hallownest had a crappy makeshift grimm troupe outfit

maybe when a kingdom starts falling apart, certain bugs start having dreams about fire and lanterns and rituals?

or nightmares rather

and eventually they wind up making a lantern to try and call the Troupe

[uneven narwhal]

hmm yeah could be the case, maybe these bugs in pharloom had the same nightmares but for some reason they had stopped (perhaps it could because the knight had lighten up the lantern that was in hollowest which caused grimm troupe to appear there so the bugs in pharloom stopped having those nightmares) but due to their devotion to the higher beings they still trying to call the grimm troupe through building those makeshift lanterns

[craggy smelt]

maybe since Pharloom wasn't in as bad a shape as Hallownest, the Burning Bugs haven't fallen completely under the Troupe's influence

[pseudo narwhal]

Well, if they are in fact summoming the Troupe they clearly don't really understand what they are doing.
Here's burning bug prayer from the bone scroll:
"Hail to your heat! O glorious flame. You who builds and breaks us. Sear our shells. Char them black. That we may rise to join you, wreathed in bright and blazing joy."
So we can theoritize that they are worshipping the Crimson Heart because this is a higher being connected to flame, but no evidence that they are trying to summon the Troupe (at least, intentionally)

[uneven narwhal]

yeah perhaps they still wanted the grimm troupe to arrive because the nightmares they had disapeared which left them begging for answers because in the nightmares they couldve communicated with nightmare king grim so they try to make the lantern to bring them to pharloom and like try to start communicating again

[craggy smelt]

it might all be bit of a reach - it could just be that lanterns and the color red are naturally something you'd get into if you're a fire cultist
and the fire stuff might have started just because they were burning bodies so the Haunting didn't reanimate them
(and burning silk winds up having some weird effects)

[uneven narwhal]

i mean crimson heart is connected to the grimm troupe since its members look for nightmare essence to feed it to the crimson heart to keep it alive, so perhaps it could be that either 1: they want to bring the grimm troupe to fuel the crimson heart since the pharloom is dying and it could have a lot of nightmare essence or 2: they're worshipping the crimson heart but they arent fully connected to the troupe (perhaps they could be either outcasters OR they could be the bugs who explore the kingdoms to look for ones that are dying because like that one dying bug in hallowest they have those cloths on their heads so perhaps they had set their eyes on pharloom this time)

[pseudo narwhal]

Yep, all this crimson heart/grimm troupe theory is just a speculation

Me personally like to think that all light sources in this universe represent some sort of diety

[uneven narwhal]

also not to mention but the burning bugs and the grimmkin have extremely similar abilites/appearence both of them have staffs aka lanterns and they wear red cloth which is almost the same shade as grimmkin's and they can both summon flames and teleport (the burning bugs flames kinda look like the fire bats that grimm shoots in his fight)

[pseudo narwhal]

Like sunlight, moon/starlight, fire, fluorescence (lifeblood)

(Everbloom as Big Bang lol)

[frank dove]

Sounds reasonable too, we might learn more in dlc then

I did point out later after some thinking that it could mean barnaks

As we see a wardenfly that got eaten by one

He only has 1 cage instead of multiple meaning he was not going on a capturing mission, he was likely taking prisoner to get eaten but got eaten himself lol

[frank dove]

I feel like they are different colors too

[whole holly]

i still believe Father of the Flame is ritual accidentally started by Shaman's Flickering Flame spell

[twin dragon]

Mmc or smt

[twin dragon]

The father of the flame itself no way in hell

and the wisps existed before

for a while

idk its weird

[whole holly]

i think Father of the Flame is totem constructed around shaman spell ritual

[twin dragon]

well it wasnt accidentally started by the shamans or anything

it is something the burning bugs did

to presumably their leader

[whole holly]

i don't think it is accident, at all

[twin dragon]

yeah but shamans have no business doing that or being there

[whole holly]

but Flickering Flame spell describe ingredients that are present in Wisp Thicket and, Wisps are described as Flickering Flames

[twin dragon]

My bet is that they plagiarized it

[whole holly]

why not? they travel?

[whole holly]

Shamans or Burning Bugs?

[twin dragon]

Shamans

likely found a way to make the ritual consistently

[whole holly]

i don't think so

[twin dragon]

Yeah but they dont believe in the burning bug bs

and theres kinda no connection aside from that spell

[whole holly]

they wouldn't believe in a spell because they created it and it is just some spell for them

[twin dragon]

The entirety of the construct and shit

also crudely made

[whole holly]

well, yea, totems and religion are made around the spell

[twin dragon]

but fotf wasnt accidentally made by shamans

nor they had any play in it

[twin dragon]

they also kinda do nothing with the spell

[whole holly]

spell obviously was

[twin dragon]

likely the burning bugs discovered it by accident but shamans understood the process

[whole holly]

did they tell you that?

[twin dragon]

They just

dont mention anything aside from an alliance in bilewater

n thats it

[whole holly]

i don't think we should continue arguing about it

[twin dragon]

wisps are also said to be a part of wisp thicket

for a while

[whole holly]

why would they mention messy cult they started, with a spell they used

[twin dragon]

did the shamans tell you they made the spell or started the cult

they talk about quite a bit of shady shit aswell

[whole holly]

flickering flame mentioned in hunter's journal tells me that

[twin dragon]

Yeah that's how they decided to name it kinda

or how bbugs called it

or wtv

They know the method but didnt discover it

[whole holly]

i disagree, they know the recipe, but let's agree to disagree Nubbie

[twin dragon]

wtv man, it just doesnt quite make sense why the wisps are also seemingly naturally occuring if the shamans made the spell

[whole holly]

with same logic haunting and silk threads are "naturally occurring" everything has cause in my book

[twin dragon]

no? theres a clear perpetrator

while wisps are abundant in the background and said to be a part of the thicket for a long time

until at one point the bugs started worshipping them

[whole holly]

well, yea, they still could have had creator

[dapper willow]

Whats the lore of today

[whole holly]

Nothing

[unreal dew]

WHY is groal SO FAT??????

[foggy stratus]

He's bloated by Soul like Soul Master and other members of the Soul Sanctum.

If you poked a hole in him he'd deflate like a ball.

[dapper willow]

He straight up explodes

After he dies

[unreal dew]

do the weavers talk in the same language as other bugs?

[foggy stratus]

Probably. Or some kind of Weaver dialect.

[trim flame]

Just realized, elder hu kinda looks like a member of shakras tribe

He also has those poshanka rings

[limpid summit]

He likely is

[foggy stratus]

Perchance.

"...aagh."-Elder Hu

[dire lynx]

example of good retcon

[trim flame]

What's recton

Nvm

[trim flame]

POSHANKA

[whole holly]

we better see pharloom's edges sometime soon

[sinful nimbus]

Where are we? Some kind of Kingdom's Edge?

[whole holly]

did you change your profile?

does anyone expect additional Old Heart in Sea of Sorrows, i don't think it will be actual mortal power but i feel like it will be "heart" of Plasmium growth/ecosystem somewhere in Pharloom Bay

[pseudo narwhal]

I do expect something more like side plot
Hornet looks on plasmified wormways, goes like "oh no not this type of shit again" and we are trying to fix it before lifeblood will overcome Pharloom

[drowsy mortar]

I really don’t buy the lifeblood theory

Looks more like blue coral

[dire lynx]

we know the lifeblood came from the salt water of eastern pharloom, and we can see on scrapped maps from a few months before release the lifeblood tower

[whole holly]

it is called Lifeblood Spire in Cut Content

[whole holly]

yeah, i have to agree

[whole holly]

i want what type of lifeforms we will get too see

[frank dove]

Huh

I don't know what all the abbreviations are what is that

[frank dove]

Looking closely, there appears to be a door in the top room

I wonder if you enter from the top or bottom

Bc I thought it's position on acmi map meant subarea like voltnest

[dire lynx]

if you look at the cavern on the bottom left you can see the submarine from the trailer

[whole holly]

what bug/critter/small animal species do you guys think there will be in Sea of Sorrows DLC???

i think they will introduce another Gastropod

and Crustacean

as well as Butterfly

[sweet hull]

a fish

[whole holly]

smart

[frank dove]

Ah so it's like in a cave you have to go underwater to get to

So could the thing at the top be a door still?

That would have to lead to another subarea

[near jasper]

https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Ghost_Leviathan

[covert night]

i hope they add an ecological dead zone

[spark valve]

that only happens after hornet is through with a region

[dire lynx]

far fields

[whole holly]

me too, but actual dead zone would be wastes

[limpid summit]

Nick this is about the Weavers and runes

[whole holly]

oh, here we go again

just my luck

[limpid summit]

So the Wingmoulds runes are etched while the weaver runes as attributed to First Sinner are woven

Doesn’t this imply a different sort of runic creation

[whole holly]

okay, answer to any question you might have is "more information needed"

[limpid summit]

Maybe with blazing lasers as we already know PK can do that

I would argue he “etched” the King’s Brand into the abyss door

[whole holly]

argue whatever you want

[limpid summit]

Would you argue against it

[whole holly]

this is lore channel, we are here to discuss

[limpid summit]

Of course

[whole holly]

no, frankly i don't have time, i only have 30 minutes for everything, i have little work to do as well

[limpid summit]

That’s fair

But if AC PK Weavers all developed seals separately and PK is a soul god why couldn’t he just develop runes separately

[whole holly]

well, seals runes bindings and weird seal-like essence constructs and void seal on Shade Beasts head, imply that core concept is widespread and even that terms can overlap, we just need more information

[limpid summit]

Well there’s a rune up on Zi

Maybe they learned it from the enslaved weaver in the steel city I don’t know

[grizzled sphinx]

Do you think runes were too weak to stop kingmolds from killing pale king or is the void impossible to control

[whole holly]

void isn't impossible to control, also we don't know if Kingsmoulds killed Pale King

[grizzled sphinx]

Ok thx

[whole holly]

Void can be pacified by light or united by Void Heart, and you are welcome

[limpid summit]

@whole holly you’re right it is attributed to Hornet

But the same character notes that she rejects the station of monarch so it’s expressly not a rulership thing

She has HB abilities

From her father

She just isn’t one

But she’s almost there

[grizzled sphinx]

Wait so if pale king used his light to etch runes it could control them?

[limpid summit]

Yes

[whole holly]

he likely used Silk/Soul

[limpid summit]

That’s what he did

Soul runes

[near jasper]

Doesnt soul glow on its own already

[limpid summit]

Yes

But not bright enough by itself to deter void

PK probably had some powerful runes for it

[grizzled sphinx]

So if void is pacified by light why does it take over your spells when upgrades

Since spells are soul

[limpid summit]

When you upgrade you meld your own inner void (or external void for Abyss Shriek) with the spell

[near jasper]

More void

[limpid summit]

Using a power source (twisted vessels or shaman corpse)

It’s like you have a battery and you use it to kickstart a chemical reaction

[grizzled sphinx]

On another note do we know how lost kin died

[limpid summit]

Who knows

Could have fallen could have got its head swiped open by a Mawlek

[near jasper]

It deathed

[dire lynx]

holyyy

new name is peak

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcGljYXAyMDNpemdoa2IyOTQ1b21kcndrdjJhOGowa3Jud21tN2p6NCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/UbwjysH03iBSRKZbOJ/giphy.gif

[grizzled sphinx]

Well no hights makes me think Maxwell

[whole holly]

so true, Unn fan

[limpid summit]

Hello, hello Unn fan

[limpid summit]

Yeah probably

It’s got horns

Good stuff mods

[grizzled sphinx]

Not Maxwell lol I mean mawlek

My bad

[dire lynx]

haii

[near jasper]

Mods send that bot into beast creast parkour

[dire lynx]

make them do pimpillo threefold pin skips

[near jasper]

Mods make them speedrun low% true ending

[whole holly]

what was the topic again?

[near jasper]

Michael

[whole holly]

Afton?

[grizzled sphinx]

I’m mad groal skip got patched

I fought him tho

[whole holly]

me too, it was peak

[grizzled sphinx]

Got the volt vessels for nothing

[whole holly]

same, it is easy if you use ton of volt vessels

[dire lynx]

its still possible with pimpillo + threefold pins

[grizzled sphinx]

Yeah I didn’t think abt the water interaction

[grizzled sphinx]

I’m not touching skips like that with a 10 foot pole they’re so hard to pull off

[whole holly]

ehh, that is mediocre way

[near jasper]

You can actually kill groal with only conchcutters :)

[whole holly]

poison pouch is helpful in most cases

i used voltvessel strategy for lace

[frank dove]

I like the theory, it makes mount fay make a lot more sense but I don't understand the part about wl and fayforn evading attunement or wtv

[whole holly]

okay, thanks

[frank dove]

Like how does white lady hide from attunement but still react to dream nail

[whole holly]

i have other theories, well, they are more of deep dive analysis but it suggests that coldshard counteracts needolin, that's what i mean

[frank dove]

Whereas fayforn reacts to attunement but doesn't react to needolin songs

[whole holly]

i guess she has precise control over her essence or something like that

[frank dove]

Oh wait I think its starting to make sense

[whole holly]

she does react but her thoughts are hidden, like mnemonords

[limpid summit]

Dream nail is an assault on the mind while Godseeker attunement without combat is passive

[frank dove]

Like they are set on remembering something already

[limpid summit]

That’s why it draws in regular Husks

[frank dove]

So they can't hear or react to new things

[limpid summit]

It’s not very strong

WL is brushing it off

The dream nail is stronger

[whole holly]

well, close enough

[frank dove]

Ah ok

[frank dove]

Wdym

[limpid summit]

Huh

Mmemonords have NDD right

[frank dove]

Then why does it work on radiance and literally everything else

[limpid summit]

Yes, they do

[whole holly]

i mostly agree with you because coldshard preserves memory seemingly, but makes it inaccessible

[limpid summit]

Mem... remem...
Rem... mem...
Memem... rem... mem...
Mem...

[whole holly]

mnemonids do, mnemonords don't

[limpid summit]

Well she probably wants you to hear her scream

[whole holly]

those are mnemonids

[limpid summit]

They both do

Check the wiki

[limpid summit]

Doesn’t work on let’s see

[frank dove]

I checked wiki

They have singing sound too

[whole holly]

either it is wrong or it got patched? or what? that's shocking

[limpid summit]

WL powerful Essence and Soul attunement
Seer same reason
Snail Shaman same reason? Connection to Essence through Soul
Bardoon and Midwife are just intelligent beings with a powerful sense of self

[whole holly]

i think they aren't haunted, that's them reacting to needolin

[frank dove]

So this is in current patch?

[limpid summit]

If they react to needolin at all they often are

[whole holly]

i will play game

[limpid summit]

Maybe the strings are hidden in the coldshard

Coldshard as memory stuff I don’t denounce

But eh idk about fayforn

Why couldn’t she protect her own children

If she’s apparently that strong

Karm did

[frank dove]

Why does midwife have a powerful sense of self

[limpid summit]

Who knows

It’s not that powerful

She can only scream at you and realize she’s been invaded

But she calls the spider tribe the most intelligent species

[frank dove]

Then karm got weak

[limpid summit]

She’s jingoist

[frank dove]

And wdym fayforn did

She killed people

And is causing the frost on mt fay

[limpid summit]

Maybe the weavers taught her some mental exercises

She is?

Yeah she killed some Weavers who aren’t suited to cold and went outside to commune with her

Wdym she caused the frost

[frank dove]

She is called fell heart of frost

It said it somewhere

[limpid summit]

Yeah in the riddle

That could mean a handful of things

I believe shes an old heart but probably not confirmed

[frank dove]

It confirms she is heart

[frank dove]

Literally calls her heart of frost

[limpid summit]

Wow it says a word

[near jasper]

The graveyard near wanderers crest and the one in shellwood have the same needolin dialogue

Lazy team cherry

Smh

[frank dove]

A word that is highly relevant to the mechanics of pharloom

[limpid summit]

Yeah

Pale is an important word that is also used in a more mundane context

[frank dove]

When

Pale lurker?

Who else are you suggesting is heart of mount fay then

[limpid summit]

The Fayforn

[frank dove]

Fayforn is the one making the driftlins, the feathers in the air, etc

[limpid summit]

You could say that as a lynchpin of the ecosystem

[frank dove]

Bro that's literally what I said

[limpid summit]

She’s…having kids

Your point

They’re haunted

She’s also shedding

[limpid summit]

No that’s probably just her being obsessed with PK

[frank dove]

Wait are we talking about the heart part or the frost

[whole holly]

they do react but they aren't haunted, seemingly, as much as Mnemonids are

[limpid summit]

Pale Rosary Necklace, Pale Lake, “Pale thing” as TK calls Tiso without knowing that we are a pale being

The heart part

Fell heart of frost is definitely Fayforn

But is she actually an old heart

I don’t think it’s concretely enough o say

She doesn’t do anything else

[frank dove]

Yes I am agreeing, that was an example

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[limpid summit]

Hmm

Not sure what to make of that

[frank dove]

I think those could all have relevance

Pale rosaries are like that bc they worship pale beings

So they have highest value of rosary

Idk tiso is just dumb

He deserved to die

[whole holly]

they don't have aura ring that forms when someone is haunted

[limpid summit]

Eh

Like pale rosary maybe?

But pale also means white

They’re just white pearls

That’s what I’m saying

[frank dove]

And white means soul

[limpid summit]

But pale rosary necklaces don’t have soul

They are just white

[limpid summit]

Saying “heart” doesn’t mean old heart in the same way saying “pale” doesn’t mean soul connected despite the connotations often attributed to the word

[frank dove]

My point is they are white bc people like white things

[limpid summit]

I think fayforn might be a heart

But I’d need more than that

[whole holly]

all of them are still associated with Paleness and it can be perceived by regular bug and is therefore prized, that includes Pale Lurker that stands out with his worship of the Pale king or Pale Lake that is pale in coloration compared to rest of waters being filed with Bile

[limpid summit]

Moss Mother doesn’t even mention her the Snail Shamans don’t talk about her Mask Maker doesn’t attribute a special power to her

[whole holly]

i also updated my theory as well

[frank dove]

Do you mean old heart as in any one with influence that shapes the land, or specifically pre-gms?

[limpid summit]

What

[frank dove]

Because there are new hearts like the one moss druid talks about

Those are not old

[whole holly]

Moss Mother???

[limpid summit]

Moss Druid

Mb

[limpid summit]

Anyone with influence sure

Old Heart is colloquial

[whole holly]

it's okay but i believe reason it can't be sensed because of coldshard phenomenon

[limpid summit]

Fayforn?

[frank dove]

Good point, didn't think of that

[limpid summit]

Then what about like Greyroot

[whole holly]

if it can be attributed to her, yes

[frank dove]

Greyroot is not pale or heart

[whole holly]

i am moving on to another theory/deep dive, it is more focused on crest bugs and hearts

[limpid summit]

I think Fayforn is just meant to be enigmatic

[frank dove]

Greyroot is a root

[limpid summit]

The dudes immersed in coldshard still have NDD

[limpid summit]

I’m talking about no NDD

[whole holly]

she literally saps life out of everything, you don't think she could do that to silk in environment, which is just soul, she is also a witch

[frank dove]

Idk she has singing too just no dialogue

Probably similar to midwife and bardoon

[whole holly]

yea

[whole holly]

i agree

[frank dove]

Strenth to resist

[limpid summit]

Yeah but it’s not silk that lets you read NPC dialogue

They just decide to sing

Except when the NDD translates mottled Skarr man I don’t know

Why does it do that

[frank dove]

Let's take note moss druid does not mention verdania's heart either

In needolin dialogue

[limpid summit]

Branches and fields?

Shellwood and Verdania

[frank dove]

Fields is far fields

[limpid summit]

Fields of clover

And verdania

Tons of fields out there

[frank dove]

Fields of feathers

[limpid summit]

What

Green Prince’s power is also only obscured because his partner is dead and his land is gone

[frank dove]

There are fields of sparse grass on surface maybe she's talking abt that

[limpid summit]

The heart had to be reawakened by Hornet

Mount Fay is still living large

Yet no one recognizes Fayforn from afar

[frank dove]

Yeah then he pulls an everbloom moment and rips it out of his memory

And then glues it to his

[frank dove]

Who knows

Maybe dlc comes and then suddenly elegy of the deep works on it

[whole holly]

it is, they need to be haunted

[limpid summit]

?

Grindle

[frank dove]

Trobbio

[limpid summit]

Most of the NPCs in this game

[frank dove]

Didn't you just say driftlins were not haunted

[limpid summit]

And we aren’t playing the inert silk strings that might be inside them

[frank dove]

But they def have needolin too

[limpid summit]

They’d probably mention that

The Needolin just causes bugs to sing with Hornet because of mirth

[whole holly]

well, they are? but haunting being resisted doesn't automatically mean no NDD, since Burning Bugs appear haunted and Wisps naturally burn fire, also Coldshard does similar things to haunting

[limpid summit]

You can understand what they say because they have no mental blocks and speak the language she does

Mottled Skarr does not but he has no mental blocks

[whole holly]

Greyroot and Fayforn sing because they want to

[limpid summit]

So there’s some Soul reading there like the DN

Skynx Greyroot Fayforn are like Bardoon Midwife WL etc

[whole holly]

well, yea i agree

[limpid summit]

Hornet can’t translate their natural language and she can’t probe their minds

[whole holly]

but needolin augments it so that hornet can understand it seems

[frank dove]

Likely just will

If they want to sing they do

[whole holly]

well, yea

[whole holly]

i wish we meet character like that in Sea of Sorrows

[limpid summit]

I’m sure we will

Guess you could count GMS too

[whole holly]

GMS?

[limpid summit]

Someone who shrugs off the needolin

[limpid summit]

Yeah if they have no mental blocks

[whole holly]

i feel like this is what sea of sorrows is gonna be

[paper mantle]

Topic?

[whole holly]

it would be great if we got all of them as bosses

[whole holly]

Needolin Dialogue, and also my theory on Fayforn

[foggy fractal]

a little bit of this a little bit of that ahh dlc

[whole holly]

it is this

[paper mantle]

Resume?

[whole holly]

i provided google docs link

[covert night]

the pond of some bullshit subarea

[whole holly]

true

[paper mantle]

Where?

[whole holly]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14_zdtxC4sjIhQ9fUa1eh3V5bqD0wyqWOrcZqr5ptKK4/edit?usp=sharing

[paper mantle]

Thank you

[paper mantle]

Magnific

[paper mantle]

I already read the document
This is where I have a piece of data based on an interpretation

[random harbor]

Lore Tablet: White Palace - White Palace Workshop

VOID, yours is the power opposed.
But yours is potential, eternity potential, force that could deny Time.
VOID, harness shall be placed upon you.

@nostor_10. used /lore-tablets area: White Palace name: White Palace Workshop

[paper mantle]

Time is capitalized. The second paragraph discusses the potential of the Void to contain something indefinitely.

In essence, this text tells us: Void, you have the potential to stop time (Radiance) eternally

Thanks to this interpretation, Radiance has a relationship with time

[paper mantle]

DAWN WILL BREAK
—Radiance

Does the Hallowscribe bot have the Radiance dialogue?

[paper mantle]

So, maybe Fayforn is a Higher Being?

[whole holly]

I wish I could save this for tomorrow, can you forward it in my DMs

[whole holly]

I have others too but I am occupied so can’t share a link

[paper mantle]

Ok

[paper mantle]

Don't worry

[whole holly]

Maybe later tomorrow, I also got to create theory sometime this week

[paper mantle]

🤩

[paper mantle]

Good luck!

[whole holly]

Thanks

[limpid summit]

Doubtful

Her not being discussed in the context of Hearts is pretty important but not damning

Her not being discussed as a HB by the guy right next to her who talks about HBs is like

She isn’t one

[paper mantle]

?

[limpid summit]

She might be a Heart

She’s not a HB

[near jasper]

Why are there bells near the putrified ducts entrance (from the memorium)

[near jasper]

Wait a minute

Werent these only created after the citadel

Weavenest atla was used after the citadel was made

[sinful nimbus]

Where'd you get that idea

Not like trying to doubt but why would those be post citadel chronologically

[elfin comet]

wouldnt the weavers have created eva after gms? idk how they would create and imprison a whole ahh kid without gms noticing

idk if weavenest alta was made specifically to keep eva though

[sinful nimbus]

Weavenests escape her gaze

"This low, her gaze escaped.
Prepare, sisters. Weave hope anew.
That we might break free this accursed web born of our naive foundation"

Basically rebellion bases

[elfin comet]

ahh i see

[near jasper]

Used nowhere thats before the citadel

The writing style of the notes matches the language made for the citadel

[sinful nimbus]

Where else would they be used we have no other weaver structures lol

I also don't think there's a unique language made for the Citadel

[near jasper]

There is

[sinful nimbus]

Reading into the scribbles and stuff is kinda a fool's game they're wildly inconsistent

[near jasper]

Not really

[sinful nimbus]

Why would the weavers come up with a whole new language for the Citadel

[near jasper]

Theres a very clear distinction between weaver old heart and citadel writing style

[near jasper]

Idfk dude but they did

[sinful nimbus]

What is the weaver old heart style

[near jasper]

Those are meant to be separate

Shouldve added a comma

[sinful nimbus]

OK but what are they

Oh whoops

Well yea they're all different tribes

Idk what old heart you're talking about but HK had this too

In any case the writing in Atla is clearly pre Citadel as it mentions escaping GMS's gaze

If you really wanted to asign lore to it you could say they were using it because Atla is where the Citadel was conceptualized

[near jasper]

Karak and verdania have both got distinct writing from anyone else

[sinful nimbus]

Loads of tribes have unique markings for their tablets that doesn't mean its a whole new language

[near jasper]

The hell Discord erased my message?

[gentle aspen]

yes

[foggy fractal]

why are you green

[gentle aspen]

I deleted that one but it did make me chickle

and now I’m leaving due to no particular reason

[near jasper]

1984

[foggy fractal]

fahrenheit 451

[finite wind]

Animal farm

[foggy fractal]

does animal farm even work in the context of censoring messages

[finite wind]

They killed opposers so

[foggy fractal]

sorry I didn't read animal farm

[finite wind]

😭

you should do it, you'll have enjoyed the good version while some people go watch the new shitty movie adaptation

[near jasper]

@pointiff do you have yaoi in the whispering vaults please answer fast

Yk sherma will have a lot of work to do to keep the citadel from collapsing now that he's basically in charge

Phantom's gone so fuck that part of the waste management system

The memorium is probably going to flood

If high halls doesnt do that first

The entire cogwork core might get fucked because the haunted machines that worked for it just got unhaunted

Whitewards husks might still be alive

[foggy stratus]

You mean like the Dreg husks?

[near jasper]

Yeah

[foggy stratus]

"Remains of a Citadel bug possessed by Silk dregs. The husk will lash out wildly with the many sharp pins caught inside its thread.
There is old anguish bound upon these threads, the result of countless cruel procedures."-Dreg Husk entry

[near jasper]

Well alive with 6 " on each side

[foggy stratus]

About as alive as the Husk enemies from Hollow Knight.

[near jasper]

Did you know they dont have organs

The whiteward guys

[foggy stratus]

Interesting.

Very definitely has potential to be alive

[lyric rose]

No but I have yuri

https://tenor.com/view/gwen-courtney-total-drama-gwourtney-gwen-x-courtney-gif-12342190487682122286

[karmic crypt]

How are they going to flood?

Am I missing something?

[lyric rose]

wo’er

too much wo’er

[karmic crypt]

From?

[lyric rose]

see all that water flowing in the halls

[karmic crypt]

Couldn't be that much

I mean if things are flooding, underworks would go first right?

[lyric rose]

What’s Cauldron for anyways? Is it a forge to make Cogwork automatons?

[karmic crypt]

Now you got me thinking

[lyric rose]

They don’t seem like they come from Deep Docks

Forge Daughter has a very distinct style from the Twelfth Architect. I know this because they make their silkshot repairs completely differently.

[dapper willow]

https://youtu.be/3a-33GJMrSc?si=wp7BQuMv1HgXVjWv

Team cherry's attention to detail is insane

Also the offering statues in the underwork illustrate well how the citadel's culture has changed over time, if we presume that it was they who built the statues

It also may be another point against the pillar civilisatio

The statues in the non citadel areas are probably not covered up because the conductors didnt bother or didnt have enough resources to do it

Those statues could also belong to the pillar civ which would be huge

but its a bit of a stretch

[whole holly]

I agree, who could it be , newer than AC and Older than Weavers, Beasts seemingly inhabited most of the Pharloom and Aether Vivarium attributes it to Beast Civilization

Ofc AC bugs also look like beasts too but there likely was distinct cultures

[dapper willow]

Maybe the pillar civ was the ancient pilgrims

who were not pilgrims because there was no citadel

But they are the ones on the statues

So it would make sense

Its also interesting to see all the repurposed weaver stuff like the last judge door

used by the Citadel

[whole holly]

What about Moorbugs and Forgebugs who existed before Citadel, Craws and Old Hearts? Aren’t they older

[dapper willow]

my take on them is that they were pilgrims once
before the citadel divided them into the moors and underworks and docks... etc

I don't know when the craws could have come around

but I think they may be more recent than al these ancient kingdoms

[whole holly]

I agree broadly

[whole holly]

Will we see Lifeblood Creature In Sea of Sorrow?

[sharp pawn]

Doubt

Its an abyss thing i dont think theres a reason it would be anywhere else

Unless for some reason they add a room to the abyss

[robust wagon]

We don't know

[whole holly]

Oh I get that

[dapper willow]

It would certainly answer some questions

But it may not be satisfying answer

Thats the tricky part

[karmic crypt]

Doesn't Zylotol said that his teacher finds plasmium first in a sea?

[sharp pawn]

Does that change anything

Abyss could just be the origin
And the abyss creature doesnt even have to be the origin of lifeblood it could just be related to it

Though i think it would make more sense if it starts from the abyss

[frank dove]

I don't think that's repurposed weaver

That's just citadel made

[elfin comet]

i think plasmium is atleast related to the abyss

[frank dove]

The idea was probably copied instead of repurposed from an existing one

[elfin comet]

The plasmium in worm ways only grows out of control in act 3

and the sea is likely very deep, so there could be some kind of entrance to the abyss there

[frank dove]

Possibly, pharloom bay is next to bilewater though

We'd have to go down pretty far

[dapper willow]

I think it is repurposed
Or modified
Because the bell shrines are needed to open it

[frank dove]

Citadel made pretty advanced stuff themselves

But maybe

[elfin comet]

do we know that pharloom bay is next to bilewater, or is that just from the old placement of it before it was removed

[dire lynx]

• lifeblood is said to come from salt stricken waters from the far(east) side of pharloom
• kelp in weavenest murglin(bilewater)
• murglin weaver tablet "sister, spider, sat between salt and stone"
• closed door in the exact spot where pharloom bay was on the maps from mere months before release

[elfin comet]

🧐

[sick tinsel]

well get more info next update

[whole holly]

yeah, true

[sick tinsel]

i wonder how lifeblood tastes like

[foggy stratus]

Good according to Salubra.

Maybe blue rasberry.

[whole holly]

i think like grape but like ambrosia

[pseudo narwhal]

And that's how you start doing drugs

[sick tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-please-speed-i-need-this-tired-blow-gif-15401023925154467112

[sick tinsel]

google response

[sinful nimbus]

ChatGPT what does the infection taste like

[sick tinsel]

drugs

[foggy stratus]

It tastes overly sweet so like sugar extract ig.

[sinful nimbus]

Who is the biggest larper of Silksong

Besides Hornet

[foggy stratus]

The Conductors

[sinful nimbus]

Ballador is down to earth though fr

[near jasper]

Grand larper silk

[sinful nimbus]

Romino maybe

[foggy stratus]

Mizello perchance?

[sinful nimbus]

Not even a real higher being

[twin dragon]

gms

[limpid summit]

Garmond

[twin dragon]

garmond is my GOAT

[sinful nimbus]

Let's Larp 🗣️

[dapper willow]

Lifeblood is probably thick like honey
viscous

[frank dove]

Yes, we see part of it in weavenest murglin

[frank dove]

Yes what she said mb

[frank dove]

briTALLA > shaw

ZANZIBOOO > all

[sick tinsel]

the larper at the edge

[sick tinsel]

its probably HUGE

since maybe the pale lake is connecte to it

[whole holly]

Sea of Sorrows DLC

[pseudo narwhal]

so it's salty exactly like sea (of sorrows)
it's all coming together

[whole holly]

i hope we fight Sorrowful Trobbio

plasmium addict

[pseudo narwhal]

savage beastfly 3 (now with the life regen and arena is just pond with sharks)
(I hope not)

[whole holly]

that's neat too, i got used to fighting Savage Beastfly, but don't we fight it two times?

[covert hamlet]

Why are some fleas people and some little dog guys

Probably not the right channel but I need to know

[pseudo narwhal]

maybe they are like adults and children

[covert hamlet]

Why can't the adults fly?

[covert hamlet]

God I hope not I can't even beat regular trobbio

Also are the things the fleas fly with ears or wings I can't tell

[whole holly]

Multibinder and Warding Bell helps

[covert hamlet]

I use injector band

[whole holly]

okay use your strategy but Druid's Eyes are really great if you get damaged often

[near jasper]

Wings

[covert hamlet]

Ah I figured but they kinda looked like they were on their head

[near jasper]

Biology™

Fleas in universe are probably meant to stagnate with a caravan later in life, so the wings would not be necessary, they probably shed them at some point in adulthood

Pharloom's caravan is most likely going into their journey later than usual as
"The many fleas of this kingdom should be flocking to our caravan, but times have become dangerous. You feel it too, yes? Our poor cousins, out there, in hiding!"

[pseudo narwhal]

@whole holly I want to reply on Memory theory but realize that it's probably sk lore channel
Yeah, there is definitely something going on with memories
I woudn't be surprise if Pharloom's "Godhome" would be in the Memorium
Like, "what is remembered is never lost"
And instead of fighting LL you have an alternative ending where you sorta restore Pharloom from the backup lol

[whole holly]

i also will touch on memorium, old hearts, seer preserving memory of the dead, crest bugs other time when i make another Deep Dive

[pseudo narwhal]

thx! you make me think that I need my own doc with conspiracy theories :D

[graceful grail]

Nah, Moss Druid

[frosty lily]

Hello everyone!

I'm currently working on a fairly substantial Hollow Knight mod:
🔵 BLUE MEMORY🔵
Basically, it's Lace's story (her memories).

Why am I asking for your help?
Because, just like with the Red Memories, I want the Blue Memories to add lore to the game, but I'm not a lore expert on Lace or Silksong in general.

I'm reaching out to the Silksong lore community to come up with some amazing ideas to fill the Blue Memories.

Since I can't animate incredible cinematics like Team Cherry did for the Red Memories, I've opted for recordings. Basically, my idea is that while Hornet wanders through the Blue Memories, she'll encounter speakers that she can activate to listen to dialogues between Lace, Grandmother Silk, Phantom, or even other characters from her lore.

I've already created a boss: Silk Overflow for Blue Memory, but I don't know how to introduce it... (a GMS experience, a creation of Lace, etc.)

Maybe it's a completely crazy idea to ask you this, and maybe it won't work at all, but I think it's better than asking Chatgpt... so I created a thread if you want to participate.

[frosty lily]

My goals:

• Approximately 5 dialogues centered around Lace, each in their own room (basically, like the Red Memory Hornets, they move around to the place where Lace lived (the capital? Silk's dimension?))
• The zone (the capital? Silk's dimension?)
• 3 boss fights (I've already done Silk Overflow)
• Exploration (but I don't see how you can help with that)
• NPCs???
  If you'd like, suggest ideas for all of this!

[light verge]

this is #sk-lore

you do realize you’re not supposed to advertise right

[late goblet]

Is it ever explained why Pale Beings have the innate instinct and desire to have and seek devotion and worship?

[sick tinsel]

nah

but its probably more of a "strong rule weak"

[limpid summit]

Blue memory

I don’t think it’s in Wyrm nature to take sycophants from other rulers

PK didn’t stamp out the worship of Unn at all

[twin dragon]

They likely feed off of it

[twin dragon]

Pk likely knew his boundaries but he did force himself into the earlier undeveloped hallownest

[acoustic blaze]

What happened to the surface

[whole holly]

silksong:

[swift needle]

How about a boss called silk homunculus

It's basically an abomination

Of silk and masks

From the citadel

[twin dragon]

oh

wow

[swift needle]

And it replaces the unravelled

[twin dragon]

i wonder what could that

possibly be based off of

if only we didnt have a similar concept

[swift needle]

I know i know

But I feel like my idea could be more scarier than the unravelled

Js saying

Cuz like in my idea you can see the boss being held together

By strands of silk

And every part of its body is an asset of every single biome in pharloom

Maybe not every biome

But areas like sanda of karaak hunters march far fields

[covert hamlet]

Do they? Isn't hornet technically a pale being?

[edgy sentinel]

She's like 3/4 god?

[late goblet]

Yes

[covert hamlet]

Yeah and she seems pretty against being worshipped

[edgy sentinel]

Half wyrm, half weaver, which itself is half higher

[covert hamlet]

If Styx is anything to go off of she doesn't really enjoy being people's master

[edgy sentinel]

Must be that pharlid in her

[edgy nebula]

hornet is half wyrm which is why she’s so strong

[late goblet]

When she's speaking to the Caretaker she explicitly says that while it's not her intention, she feels the deep urge to usurp GMS and dominate in her own right

Whether they pursue the instinct/desire is another thing, but the desire is there nonetheless

[covert hamlet]

She was also raised by the hive mostly wasn't she? (I don't know much hollow knight lore only what I've heard)

[acoustic imp]

Trained in the hive.

[twin dragon]

i mean, big part of her character is resisting the temptations of power imposed by her origins

[acoustic imp]

By Hive Queen Vespa

[covert hamlet]

Trained right
Thanks rouxls

[edgy sentinel]

The red memory tells us that some of her childhood was spent in deepnest with the weavers, in the hive, and in the palace

[covert hamlet]

I thought she was also raised but I guess I was wrong

So yes
Partially raised by the hive

[near jasper]

[sick tinsel]

hot take : vespa could be as strong as karmelita

[sinful nimbus]

Truth nuke

[limpid summit]

She probably is

No evidence just agenda

[sinful nimbus]

They should give Vespa hivesteel armor

Redesign the entire hive too

[spark valve]

add plasmified enemies to joni's repose

[sinful nimbus]

I'll never stop pushing to make these guys biomechanical

Plasmified Joni too atp

[floral venture]

Why

[sinful nimbus]

Would go hard

They've redesigned the hive once they can do it again

[spark valve]

redesigned is a generous way to describe the lifeblood changes, they just actually designed it

[limpid summit]

Hornet returning to Hallownest to find one half covered by Lifeblood and one half covered by immense WL roots

“Bro this is your home??”

[tawdry flare]

i think you mean Hornet returning to Hallownest to find all of it covered by Unn’s greenery

[limpid summit]

Unn reincarnated zip

Nuu nuu nuu

[sinful nimbus]

Plasmified Alubas as a common enemy

Tuff

[limpid summit]

Alubas gotta come back

Steel Alubas

[spark valve]

alubas might just be a hallownest thing with their affinity for divinity and hallownest's concentration of gods

[limpid summit]

I know nothing Nuu has come out about Nuu

But like

It pisses me off

It’s like if Skynx was named Kson

[foggy stratus]

Alubas?

[floral quiver]

Both of her inheritances aid in her ability.

As a Wyrmkin she is near ageless and has an ability to shift her soul, along with a large soul.

As a Weaverkin she is instinctually deadly, talented at violence to such a degree that even without the training she recieved she would have still been extremely dangerous to fight. Her ability to generate silk is also a core part of her strength, as it allows her to enact spells without external devices being necessary.

[tawdry flare]

yeah the things that look like salubra

[dry pendant]

🦐

[spark valve]

did you know kissing bugs are a type of assassin bug
she's sharpe's kid

that nuu enough for yuu

[limpid summit]

Tammo she is NOT a kissing bug I don’t like this agenda spoilers if you don’t like real bugs

[spark valve]

they took liberties with the kissing bug design but she acts like one and come on

[limpid summit]

She kisses sure

Is Hornet a jumping spider because she jumps

Or Nosk a mimic spider

[spark valve]

she specifically 'kisses' as a way of biting things to drain fluids from them

[limpid summit]

I’m not arguing in bad faith she doesn’t act like one

Why does she wear a snail shell backpack and have slug eyestalks if she’s meant to evoke kissing bug

You could assign her kissing bug qualities

But like look at her

[spark valve]

the main property she has that's distinctive is the kissy face

[limpid summit]

She also sings the Greenpath theme

[limpid summit]

Yeah the first thing I notice here is the lips

[spark valve]

it's like if tc made an antlion character and gave it a sort of mane nobody would be like 'um actually they don't have those'

[near jasper]

Its like if team cherry made an antlion character and gave it moth wings

[spark valve]

cherrypicked af

[limpid summit]

Brooo

The first thing I notice in grindle’s cap isn’t the feather

[spark valve]

the first time you encounter her she doesn't have the backpack (which also isn't part of her body and she isn't a snail so whatever your point is it's dumb)

[limpid summit]

She’s a slug

An Unn if you will

For lack of a better term

Sylphean slug will do

[spark valve]

salubra is a slug

[near jasper]

She's salubras kid that got taken away by child support

[limpid summit]

Silkeater is a grub

Slugs are a genus

[spark valve]

grub is a more general term for larvae

[limpid summit]

How many beetles are there in HK

probably more than 2

Hell man Spiders

Weavers and Midwife

What’s Green Prince based on

He’s so stylized

[spark valve]

who cares he's lame anyways

[foggy fractal]

what's karmelita based on

🤔

🤔

[near jasper]

God tamer

[spark valve]

a flamingo

[foggy fractal]

feels the aura!

[lone folio]

Joe

[limpid summit]

Would GMS have been better pure white

“Rad clone” she already is

[spark valve]

no it would look hella awkward

[foggy fractal]

yeah I think gms looks fine as is

[limpid summit]

Is it absolutely ridiculous that I still see it

It’s just the hands

Why did they give her hands

[spark valve]

is quirrel an ant now too

hollow knight fans can't see

[near jasper]

Yeah

[limpid summit]

What an afterthought boss she doesn’t even die