sk-lore

[whole holly]

they are so easy to kill

i hope we get to Snare Mister Mushroom in Sea of Sorrows DLC

and see compressed MM in HK3

[foggy stratus]

What does compressed even mean?

[whole holly]

being turned into Steel Bug, it is horrible experience i guess

[spark valve]

mcu post credits scene

[limpid summit]

Nature suppressed distorts, plagues us.

Do you think this is more literal and just refers to that “more you struggle against infection the more it consumes you” or is it a commentary on the beacon

[whole holly]

/s

[spark valve]

both!

[limpid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

Slow, fat and easily vanquished; common threads in those who forget their calling and forsake their duties.

[foggy stratus]

Is it more like being turned into a Mannequin from ULTRAKILL or a servitor from 40K?

[limpid summit]

It’s entries like these that sort of make me think Hunter musing theory isn’t perfect

Cause does this mean he’s been to moss chapel

[spark valve]

he's been around

[whole holly]

idk, some warhammer fan say necrobugs or something

[foggy stratus]

Necrons?

[whole holly]

Necrons

[stray grove]

?

[foggy stratus]

Hmm.

[limpid summit]

If he muses he hasn’t seen the creature

If he doesn’t he has

[spark valve]

he's not musing about vagabonds he's seen them

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[stray grove]

No correlation

[whole holly]

why didn't unn start her own infection, she should have preemptively striked

[limpid summit]

What

Yes correlation

[foggy stratus]

Hunter=Philosopher.

[whole holly]

greenpath has right to defend itself

[spark valve]

if he hasn't seen a creature it's musings, it's possible that it can be musings about a creature he has seen but I don't think there are any cases in game of that

[whole holly]

they hunt for answers

[stray grove]

He’s seen Vagabonds he comments on them

What does that have to do with the musing theory

[limpid summit]

Bro I know

I’m saying this means he went to moss chapel

[stray grove]

Yeah?

[foggy stratus]

Quick question could the Hunter hunt a Viltrumite?

[spark valve]

if you really wanted to you could read the vagabond one as a general musing

[spark valve]

no

[limpid summit]

Lmao

[foggy stratus]

Or he saw one wandering around.

[limpid summit]

True

[stray grove]

Skull emoji

Yeah there are likely Vagabonds outside the Chapel too

They’re just fat Mosskin

The reason they’re in the Chapel is because they’ve abandoned their duties in favor of MP’s bullshit

[foggy stratus]

No no trust me he has a chance.

[limpid summit]

Oh how I wish the Godhome entries were some interesting Hunter musings instead of Godseeker yap

[stray grove]

Hunter was a great character

Silksong doesn’t have a single good character

[foggy stratus]

Same.

[spark valve]

godmaster doesn't deserve him

[spark valve]

the snails are good

[limpid summit]

Sherma is good

[foggy stratus]

Shakra is nice.

[limpid summit]

The snails are good separately

The “Snail Shamans”

[spark valve]

as characters not as plot devices

[limpid summit]

Ugh

[stray grove]

They’re fine separately
They would be better if they didn’t turn into a hive mind in Act 3

[limpid summit]

Couldn’t they just have all been near each other with unique dialogue like the Troupe

[stray grove]

But Chapel Maiden and Bell Hermit also barely have any interactions

I’m not going to sit here and glaze Hermit calling Hornet a slave or whatever

But Caretaker was cool

[foggy stratus]

Have I mentioned that I hate the designs of Pharloom Shamans? They all look malnourished in some way.

[limpid summit]

I would call second sentinel, sherma, kratt, shakra, ballow good characters

[stray grove]

Bell Hermit doesn’t even react to Hornet having his (presumed) son’s soul does he

[limpid summit]

And my man Skynx

[limpid summit]

I like how they got a little weird I think bell hermit is too weird

[stray grove]

Sherma actually has a character arc at least

Bro snuck Kratt in there

[limpid summit]

I see what you mean the Hallownest shamans are very rounded

[limpid summit]

Bro

He’s a good character

[stray grove]

Ballow has one interaction

[foggy stratus]

Fuck Caretaker's design he looks top heavy.

[limpid summit]

He’s not likeable

[stray grove]

Grindle and Yarnaby are great too

[spark valve]

yarnaby is good

[limpid summit]

Neither of those are good

[stray grove]

I was taking the piss they’re all bad

[spark valve]

you're just a misogynist

[limpid summit]

True

[stray grove]

I mean I don’t dislike Yarnaby or anything

[limpid summit]

Hey

I didn’t see that

I really like these two for some reason

I think SS does one note NPCs a little better than HK did

[stray grove]

They’re kinda fun then TC decided to kill them off in act 3 for no reason lmao

[limpid summit]

But with bigger NPCs and shopkeepers lord

[stray grove]

Eh

Maybe but Silksong’s major NPCs have like no depth to them

[spark valve]

hk mostly doesn't do them

[limpid summit]

True

[stray grove]

Most of the SS characters people like are one note

[limpid summit]

But like idk Emilitia Willow

Willow

Willoh

[stray grove]

Nobody cares about Willoh dude

Emilitia is fine she has more interactions than most SS NPCs lmao

[spark valve]

I care about willoh

[limpid summit]

Can’t believe garmonds arc is just him dying

[foggy stratus]

Shakra isnt at least.

[stray grove]

How TC felt killing off half the NPCs in act 3

I’m surprised Shakra survived

[limpid summit]

Shakra is fun but like I think cornifer is better as a mapmaking NPC

Shakra has a fun story

[stray grove]

Cornifer is better

But they’re different

[foggy stratus]

Yeah Cornifer all the way.

[limpid summit]

I really don’t like mergwin and the gourmand

Wtf is that

[stray grove]

Pillby lmao

[limpid summit]

Aw pillby

[stray grove]

Dude what a shitshow

[near jasper]

How tc felt after deciding to make us watch an old man dying from our blade because he overworked himself a little:

[limpid summit]

They really don’t stick to the NPCs that don’t have unique designs

[near jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-facts-blackbeard-pirate-gif-4430715298230144753

[limpid summit]

Pillby and Reed

[stray grove]

Me looking up the Garmond duel requirements on my 7th playthrough

[spark valve]

wiki game 😔

[limpid summit]

I really don’t get how the Shakra duel is the culmination of her act 2 story

And the Garmond duel is just

Missable

In favor of him sitting there forever

[stray grove]

It’s so easily missable as well

[near jasper]

Shakra duel is also pretty misable

[limpid summit]

I thought people were joking when they talked about it

[limpid summit]

Yeah but at least it’s there

[stray grove]

Isn’t like Pimpillo one of the things that stops it from happening

[limpid summit]

If you do what you need to do

[stray grove]

Shakra duel is not nearly as bad lmao

[near jasper]

What

[spark valve]

it's not even really that it's just an afterthought

[stray grove]

But it’s also an afterthought

[limpid summit]

The fine pins wish??

Whole lotta BS

[stray grove]

There are a bunch of weird things that stop it from triggering

[limpid summit]

What happens if you beat Lost Lace without beating Lost Garmond

[stray grove]

Wiki game

Nothing because beating Lost Lace doesn’t do anything

[near jasper]

Why does garmond move into songclave after the wish to make songclave able to defend itself

[limpid summit]

Because he’s a fucking fraud

[foggy stratus]

He's just old, not a fraud.

[stray grove]

Not mutually exclusive

[limpid summit]

Sheo is old too

Hella old

Look at him

[stray grove]

Ogrim

Sly

[near jasper]

I like how shakra canonically passed the entire citadel and didnt map any of it

[stray grove]

The power level in Hallownest is just way higher though

[near jasper]

"damn this place ugly af I aint wasting ink on this"

[limpid summit]

Land of Gods

[stray grove]

I guess Garmond’s HK equivalent would be like Quirrel

[limpid summit]

What would it take to beat GMS and the Weavers

Karm and Khann probably didn’t fight together did they

[robust wagon]

😭

[limpid summit]

I was gonna say Tiso

[near jasper]

Murglin is the only good weaver

[stray grove]

I don’t think anything in Pharloom was taking them actually

[whole holly]

Or Cloth

[limpid summit]

Cloth yeah

[whole holly]

And Karn

[stray grove]

If Karm and Khann fought together they’d still get folded

You could throw Verdania in the mix too

[near jasper]

Nah she killed my grandpa

[stray grove]

GMS was too powerful

Regular bugs can’t fight gods

[limpid summit]

Maybe Khann Karm Nyleth and the ruler of Verdania

[whole holly]

Shamans?

[limpid summit]

I know the spell isn’t about power scaling

[near jasper]

If murglin had another month she would solo gms

[limpid summit]

But I feel like they’d win

[stray grove]

Shamans ran and hid they couldn’t do shit to her either

[sinful nimbus]

ts locked me out of 100% idk how

[near jasper]

What?

[sinful nimbus]

item just didn't drop

[stray grove]

Buggy game

[foggy stratus]

Which item?

[near jasper]

Garmond didnt consider you honorable

[limpid summit]

I remember that

[near jasper]

He knows your sins

[limpid summit]

The pins

[sinful nimbus]

It was the tacks

[limpid summit]

Tacks?

[spark valve]

7 years

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[stray grove]

Anyway asking whether xyz could beat GMS if they worked together is kind of a dumb hypothetical

[floral quiver]

One of the themes of Silksong is mortality in the mythic sense, there's a lot more acknowledged mortala in Pharloom that could potentially duel the divine.

[limpid summit]

Uhhh no

Pharloom isn’t strong

[stray grove]

Like the game makes it clear that’s just not within the power of regular bugs to do

[limpid summit]

Try getting past a Great Knight

[sinful nimbus]

Shamans could

[near jasper]

Garmond solos gms

[stray grove]

But if PK sent like five guys

[spark valve]

fraudloom

[floral quiver]

You mean the characters that are all dead and vaguely powerful?

[stray grove]

Yeah PK could’ve sent over like five guys and they’d have dealt with it in no time at all

[near jasper]

And ogrim

[floral quiver]

One of which fight as an early game boss?

[sinful nimbus]

GMS's cocoon is rich enough in Silk (soul) to set up a mound from which shamans would have the upper hand in combat with all their spells combined

[spark valve]

tbf those are some CRAZY five guys

[sinful nimbus]

Why they didn't do this is beyond me

[limpid summit]

PV would genuinely drop into Pharloom like this and neg

[sinful nimbus]

Must be the bad writing idk

[stray grove]

Ogrim is way stronger than any SS boss aside from GMS and LL

[floral quiver]

Bull

Untrue

[limpid summit]

Yeah the guy who compresses shit into a ball and tosses it at you

[sinful nimbus]

name a stronger boss

[limpid summit]

And swims through it effortlessly

[near jasper]

Bell eater is such a mess for powerscaling

[foggy stratus]

Mike Tyson in High-school Wrestling type shit.

[limpid summit]

He’s not even “the Mighty”

[sinful nimbus]

Hegemol was a bum

[stray grove]

Ogrim would just rip off Bell Eater’s head

[floral quiver]

The Last Judge.

[spark valve]

cap

[sinful nimbus]

Dryya probably went soft from all that time with White Lady the other ones are good

[limpid summit]

Probably did beat the bum weavers

[near jasper]

Theres just a grand gate tall worm and they cant even fight better than showing their face at you

[sinful nimbus]

Bro what

[stray grove]

Lmao Last Judge ain’t touching Ogrim

[limpid summit]

Yeah imagine a fast Nyleth

[stray grove]

Last Fraud more like

[sinful nimbus]

Big Squirrm

[near jasper]

Hallowfraud

[stray grove]

Ogrim could just walk into the Citadel nobody could even deal damage to him

[floral quiver]

The last Judge would smash Ogrim's head in.

[stray grove]

With what

[sinful nimbus]

tf

[stray grove]

Bait

[floral quiver]

Her censur flail

[stray grove]

Bait

[floral quiver]

No

[sinful nimbus]

I don't see Last Judge swimming through compacted hardened dung nor does she keep her spirits sharp through vigorous training each and every day

[near jasper]

Ogrim when he cant hide in the floor:

[foggy stratus]

Ogrim's gonna catch that shit and hurl it back at them at Mach 2.

[sinful nimbus]

Why would he not be able to hide in the floor

[limpid summit]

If Last Judge uses her flames she might give Ogrim a little trouble

[stray grove]

You know he can swim through other materials too right
He also doesn’t need to hide

[limpid summit]

But would he lose?

[sinful nimbus]

He's not fighting Nyleth but he's also on par with Nyleth because he was on par with her sister Isma

[spark valve]

last judge is kind of a joke anyways all it does is kill unarmed pilgrims

[limpid summit]

Nah, he’d win

[sinful nimbus]

Wasted aura

[stray grove]

Hardened compacted dung is probably harder than most things and he can swim through it like water

He’d at the very least be able to burrow

[sinful nimbus]

I was actually mad asf I'm ngl I spent like 3 years glazing Last Judge because he had so much aura

Literally no lore??

[stray grove]

But again he doesn’t need to he can just punch LJ in the face and she’d die

[near jasper]

Blindfolded zazaless armless garmond vs gms who wins

[whole holly]

Citadel guards them and they don’t have threefold melody

[limpid summit]

Dude zemers nail is genuinely

Wow

[spark valve]

a coughing baby would defeat gms

[sinful nimbus]

Why didn't they teleport are they stupid

[limpid summit]

I wonder if she was a caster

[floral quiver]

Last Judge was one of the bosses that basically hard stopped an annoyingly large amount of the playerbase.

[spark valve]

buster sword ahh

[foggy stratus]

Shit players≠lore wise powerful boss.

[limpid summit]

I thought the main story was almost over when I got to last judge

[stray grove]

5GKs wipe all of Pharloom genuinely

[spark valve]

zemer cleaving the citadel clean in half with a single strike

[stray grove]

Like not even doing a bit

[sinful nimbus]

I mean they had an old heart on their side lmao

[stray grove]

Old Hearts aren’t strong

[floral quiver]

I barely believe you're not.

[sinful nimbus]

Also Ze'mer is from like heaven or something

[stray grove]

Hallownest also didn’t have Old Hearts

[sinful nimbus]

Womp womp

She's the same species as Nyleth so she's as strong who cares

[foggy stratus]

Confirmed Old Hearts*

[sinful nimbus]

And Nyleth is one of the top dogs of Pharloom

[stray grove]

There just weren’t any

[near jasper]

They all died

[stray grove]

Hallownest had four established HBs lmao

[spark valve]

she's the same species but also a seasoned combatant which nyleth may not be especially in terms of tactics and shit

[foggy stratus]

That we know of.

[sinful nimbus]

Therefore great knights would be all top dogs like they were in their (significantly stronger mind you) home kingdom

[limpid summit]

Isma is probably better in a fight than Nyleth

Less powerful plant wise sure

But she’s a knight

[floral quiver]

What?

Where is this mentioned?

[sinful nimbus]

My eyes

[limpid summit]

With your eyes

[near jasper]

1 grom vs the five great knights who wins

[floral quiver]

So a headcanon?

[stray grove]

Nyleth isn’t that strong either

[sinful nimbus]

No bruh its vision

Welcome back SilksongFan.

[whole holly]

Star’s eyes are source for everything

[whole holly]

She is tank at least

[limpid summit]

Ah playing devils advocate with Nyleth

I remember this

[stray grove]

That Nyleth is one of the top dogs of Pharloom tells you more about Pharloom’s low ahh power level

[sinful nimbus]

You can't tell me the wandering plants that eventually settle down and create their own unique ecosystems and look nearly identical aren't the same species

[floral quiver]

Totally the same creature. /sarcasm

[spark valve]

I mean yeah the land of gods vs slavery backwater

[stray grove]

Nyleth would barely be GK level in Hallownest

She might be stronger than Isma who we know literally nothing about she might not be

[near jasper]

1 silkeater vs high halls gauntlet who wins

[midnight reef]

I love Nyleths design

[stray grove]

But Ogrim and Dryya are slamming her

Ze’mer probably is too

Hegemol is featless

[floral quiver]

We literally know nothing about most of the great knights

[sinful nimbus]

He fought in the battle of the blackwyrm bro

[spark valve]

powerful enough for his title to be the mighty when ogrim was around

[floral quiver]

So?

[sinful nimbus]

Did Nyleth take on the blackwyrm

Didn't think so

[near jasper]

Yes

[floral quiver]

That's trivia we know nothing about!

[sinful nimbus]

What about the knotted grove?

[floral quiver]

We don't know what that means

[limpid summit]

“Battle of the Dark God”

[stray grove]

What about the champion’s call

[limpid summit]

And he fought in it

That’s tuff

[near jasper]

Zote solos the citadel

[whole holly]

Meaningless because we don’t even know what it was

[floral quiver]

We don't know that!

[sinful nimbus]

the name makes me think it was a fight between wandering seeds Nyleth included and the fact that it was a glory means the 5GK won btw

[floral quiver]

Hell, it could be a river!

[foggy stratus]

Zote would get used as dental floss in Pharloom tbh.

[stray grove]

I’m sorry if some mf is calling themselves the in universe equivalent of dark dragon they’re probably a big deal

[near jasper]

He neg difs

[foggy stratus]

Darkdragon*

[floral quiver]

We dont know if it's a person!

[whole holly]

Pablo solos black Wyrm

[stray grove]

Also if all of the knights had to fight the Blackwyrm together it was also probably a big deal

[stray grove]

It doesn’t matter what it is the significance of the name is obvious

[floral quiver]

We have no lore beyond a battle name

[floral quiver]

It does if we want to use it as a measure of power

Because with no lore it's whatever a person wants it to be

[stray grove]

Whatever it was the Battle of the Blackwyrm wasn’t them fighting random dudes and we know how strong two of the knights were individually with ample evidence to suggest the others were on or even beyond that level

[cedar skiff]

the blackwyrm is like how in evangelion hideaki anno admits to having used the biblical references because they looked cool

[near jasper]

Precept 32

[stray grove]

A threat that took all five at the minimum must’ve been a major threat

And the title of Blackwyrm also suggests this

[spark valve]

no it was actually a beach vacation

[floral quiver]

We don't know that!

That's the issue.

It quite easily could be a battle whose major environmental element was a river known as the Blackwyrm

Or it could have been a battle against a god

[whole holly]

In blackbarrens

[stray grove]

Who’s calling some random river Blackwyrm

[limpid summit]

Well yeah we don’t know if they fought an actual Blackwyrm but that’s still a metal thing to name a battle

[near jasper]

Michael

[dire lynx]

River whose name makes no sense:

[cedar skiff]

i like that take because most battles are named after the place not the figure being fought lol

blackwyrm being an actual wyrm corpse location would be auraful

[floral quiver]

Because the river is dark and very long and large?

[whole holly]

Battle of Waterloo did not include creature named Waterloo

[stray grove]

Blackwyrm was the name of the beach
The battle was a game of volleyball or something
Ogrim remembers it fondly because he won

[spark valve]

hardly a fair game is it

[sinful nimbus]

Man why didn't Silksong have these names tf

[spark valve]

because it's shit

[floral quiver]

Then why are you here?

[limpid summit]

Do you think Ogrim normally smelled bad or do he and the Crestjust smell bad now

[stray grove]

Yeah Tammo get out of here

[floral quiver]

If you hate it why are you here?

[sinful nimbus]

Shellwood ❌
Knotted Grove ✅

The Abyss 🤓
RIVER OF THE BLACK WYRM 🥶

[limpid summit]

Tammo go away

If you hate something you can never talk about it ever

Don’t you know this

[stray grove]

wtf were they doing in the abyss

[sinful nimbus]

Tammo go back to playing MIO or whatever it is silksong haters play

[dire lynx]

WL recognises the smell as ogrim, so probably always

[near jasper]

We should exile tammo to bilewater to work the exhaust organ forever

[stray grove]

Blackwyrm is actually LoS

[cedar skiff]

i didnt know silksong had haters

[spark valve]

Nuh uh

[whole holly]

You don’t have to infinitely complain about something you don’t like that’s just being prisoner of your own cage

[floral quiver]

More that if you hate something you are less likely to take things seriously and waste people's time by assuming the worst about things.

[spark valve]

Bilewater is the best area in the game

[whole holly]

What is mio

[dire lynx]

Music is peak

[stray grove]

If Silksong has a thousand haters, I’m one of them, if Silksong has a hundred haters, I’m one of them, if Silksong has ten haters, I’m one of them, if Silksong has one hater, that’s me, if Silksong has no haters, I’m dead

[cedar skiff]

city of steel being worldbuild bait similar to blackwyrm and getting actual relevance just proves how irrelevant blackwyrm is

[stray grove]

What actual relevance

[near jasper]

When are we meeting zotes father

[spark valve]

Meet potential faction

[stray grove]

Is the actual relevance in the room with us they literally cut Sharpe from the game lmao

Without telling the backer btw

But yeah keep glazing TC

[sinful nimbus]

why would you ever want to play something so ugly when wormways is right there ❤️

[spark valve]

Crazy work

[cedar skiff]

i feel like they talked about this last time

[whole holly]

At least Seth is here

[stray grove]

It would be better if Seth wasn’t here

Because Seth sucks

They ruined everything about him

[spark valve]

Seth could be rehabilitated

[whole holly]

That’s overstimulating wtf

[near jasper]

Silksong would be better if it wAs skong

[floral quiver]

Because he made your assumptions about a part of the game wrong?

[stray grove]

If you rewrote the entire third act

[stray grove]

No his lore is genuinely just incoherent but I’m not going to explain this for the twelfth time

[whole holly]

Like what?

[lone folio]

Seths storyline is mid as fuck

[sinful nimbus]

Its the camera angle, usually the player and such is much more visible, but you can move your camera around to take some cool pictures

[spark valve]

That goes without saying but smaller changes could fix Seth

[whole holly]

Oh yeah

[lone folio]

It feels random

[cedar skiff]

incoherent lore aside i feel like seth genuinely fits into the narrative writing wise

[near jasper]

Front facing weaver door go

[whole holly]

Seth needs more lore in boss rush dlc

[whole holly]

Idk what this is but it is peak

[stray grove]

That sentence contradicts itself

[glacial warren]

I think Seth’s lore seems pretty straightforward.

[whole holly]

Cut content is full of opportunities

[stray grove]

Seth is shoehorned into a narrative he has no place in

He doesn’t fit in at all

[whole holly]

Yeah but it is lacking some additional lore

[stray grove]

He’s just there

[cedar skiff]

worldbuilding lore and character strength can be viewed separately

[spark valve]

He’d be fine if he just said something about not letting anyone past bearing arms or whatever not the dumb fuck murder hobo

[floral quiver]

People here assume that a shrine is always for public worship.

[lone folio]

He's similar to quirrel but quirrels story was so much better

[glacial warren]

At some point after going dormant, Nyleth became threatened by the encroach of the Choir, likely sometime into Conductor-era Pharloom. She selected Seth as a protector to her Shrine and he’s sat on that stump of roots ever since, cutting down any and all trespassers.

[cedar skiff]

guy whose whole things is guarding a somewhat religious shrine and going off to find a life after that tell me how that doesnt fit into silksongs narrative

[whole holly]

I prefer Seth

[sinful nimbus]

yea that's the stated goal of the citadel they wanted to revere her in shellwood

but anyone who does that gets murdered cuz uh umm

[near jasper]

Do you think pondcatcher reed will get more content in sea of sorrow

[sinful nimbus]

yes he's my goat

[floral quiver]

They begrudgingly sent reverents and built her a shrine. Not out of genuine faith but because they were forced to by dealings

[sinful nimbus]

ok?

[whole holly]

He is going to catch more in bay

[glacial warren]

The main narrative point is Seth is a mirror image of Hornet. He’s a stoic protector cursed with immortality/longevity standing sentinel over the remains of a kingdom’s rotting corpse.

[whole holly]

In a way yeah

[stray grove]

Here we honour the seed that sprung the wood.
By her grace may all bugs pass safe

Literally the inscription found within the Shrine itself, I wonder what it means to honour her

We'd heard the Citadel once made grudging accord with that creature, sent their servants in reverence, even built a shrine up there somewhere.

Ignoring this ofc

[cedar skiff]

i didnt catch this actually considering the other more straight in your face instance of this, but this is an interesting read too

[floral quiver]

Then what's the issue. They sent reverents to shellwood

[near jasper]

What actual nyleth worshippers even are there for seth to let in

[sinful nimbus]

So why is there a guy appointed to kill them lmao

[stray grove]

Clearly the Citadel built this shrine for no reason and the Pilgrims offered their respects some other way

[glacial warren]

In a sense, Hornet is experiencing what The Knight experienced fighting her in Hallownest, by facing Seth.

[spark valve]

That part is fine it just is funny how nonsense the actual specifics are

[floral quiver]

Because that shrine isnt the location of public worship.

[limpid summit]

So Seth killed them for being devout?

[cedar skiff]

wow the shallow religious system controlling the lands makes a farce in allowing another god to stand aside it that has no relevance to the people who is surprised

[sinful nimbus]

But that's not consistent with the dialogue

[limpid summit]

No trespassing

[stray grove]

ts has to be ragebait just ignore it

[spark valve]

Finally some sense

[glacial warren]

Someone doomed to the same fate she was. By besting Seth, Hornet freed him from his vigil, the same way The Knight had once freed her. Now Seth can wander and explore, and find joy and wonder in life.

[stray grove]

They’ve been doing the same thing for days

[cedar skiff]

i think a good angle to view it from is that people just arent supposed to know about nyleths existence at all anymore

[floral quiver]

It is if you recognize that the sent worshippers is seperate from the shrine being built

[cedar skiff]

but theres no sufficent way of actually getting rid of nyleth without fucking the lands over

[sinful nimbus]

There are clearly people trying to get in lmao

Also that's not how reading works

[glacial warren]

True. The Shellwood is an extension of Nyleth itself, as she is its progenitor.

[stray grove]

But it’s not a recent thing Seth has always been doing this he even mentions killing people trying to go to church

[floral quiver]

And those people are cut down because they're not supposed to be there

[sinful nimbus]

kirb play Mio

[cedar skiff]

like before the citadel? do you have the dialogue

not trying to downplay it just curious

[spark valve]

They don’t want to get rid of her she was their ally and the only thing keeping shellwood navigable

[stray grove]

I will one day

Maybe next week

[cedar skiff]

you think they wouldn’t have gotten rid of her if not for the negative effects

[sinful nimbus]

best metroidvania fr

[floral quiver]

"Ally". Begrudgingly.

The Citadel would probably love to have gotten rid of Nyleth

[stray grove]

Halt, stranger. I am charged forever to guard the sacred shrine beyond.

I am the last bound to protect it. Sadly, in that service, many have fallen to my blade.

Eternal defender of Shellwood Shrine. His pin and cymbal show many marks of their use.

[floral quiver]

...

[spark valve]

She provided an active boon by keeping shellwood secure the accord was essential for the pilgrimage and now that Nyleth’s gone it’s basically impossible due to splinters

They didn’t want to get rid of her

She was useful

[stray grove]

The Citadel also don’t need Pilgrims anymore it’s whatever

[lone folio]

Hornet so evil, she beats up an old man who wants to protect a church and she beats him upp so hard that he gets dementia

Shame on hornet

[spark valve]

Sure it does it funnels em into the underworks too

[sinful nimbus]

why does he get dementia

[cedar skiff]

intereesting yeah that raises some question about who hes protecting it from before the citadel

[floral quiver]

That's a thing he's been charged to do from the time he started to now. That says nothing about when he started

[glacial warren]

Oh. I actually didn’t notice this before, but he says ‘last’ bound to protect it. This implies there were others Nyleth had chosen as her Shrine’s guardians in the past.

[cedar skiff]

i applied for 100 jobs on indeed and now im charged to forever guard the shellwood shrine

[spark valve]

Nobody the citadel built the shrine

[sinful nimbus]

How the Citadel feels when the Citadel tries to access the Citadel shrine they built to be used

[stray grove]

The point is it’s described as a foundational duty

[glacial warren]

So Seth was the last one selected for the duty, and hasn’t had a replacement in since no one’s been able to overcome him since.

[floral quiver]

It's not meant to be accessed!

That's why there's a guard who kills everyone who enters

[cedar skiff]

if thats the case what goes against the idea that hes supposed to guard the shrine from people so they dont find out about a second godlike identity to threaten the citadel or is there another dialogue mentioning worshippers still actively heading to it

my memory for fucking nyleth lore is hazy

[glacial warren]

Ye. So the Shrine likely always has a sentinel Bug chosen to guard Nyleth’s Heart, as the Shrine seems to be her base of power.

[spark valve]

“They sent worshippers and built a shrine” and the shrine has a tablet saying “here we worship”

It doesn’t take a genius

[cedar skiff]

well yeah but its not far fetched the evil corporation would have rowed down the forest if not for the fact it allows them to breathe

[sinful nimbus]

Is there a tablet that says that wtf

Why haven't we been using this

[spark valve]

Because it’s obvious

[stray grove]

Even if we accept that the shrine wasn’t intended to be used as a place of worship ts genuinely makes no sense
Why are the Citadel trying to get in if there’s nothing of value there
Why is Nyleth preventing the Citadel from accessing their own shrine
Why does Nyleth care so much about the shrine when it has nothing of value to her to the point of assigning a protector

[foggy stratus]

What's going on now?

[stray grove]

I HAVE

[spark valve]

Silksong fans can’t read

[cedar skiff]

ohhh ok i wasnt aware

[sinful nimbus]

Here we honour the seed that sprung the wood.
By her grace may all bugs pass safe to join us and our song
I'm crying bruh

[stray grove]

IT WAS IGNORED

I POSTED THIS LIKE THREE TIMES

[floral quiver]

Honoring is not publically worshipping. They honor her by the shrine existing.

[foggy stratus]

I could tell, what can't they read this time?

[stray grove]

SEE @sinful nimbus

SS FANS CAN’T READ

[spark valve]

Because you’re getting ragebaited

[cedar skiff]

silksong fans when you forget one lore tablet for a subplot

[stray grove]

Yeah it’s obviously ragebait

I’m telling Star why we’re not using it anymore

[stray grove]

Also it’s not the base of her power or whatever the citadel built it

[floral quiver]

They aren't!

By the lore we have in game, a shrine exists, people are finding it and being killed by its guardian because people entering it is sacrilege.

[glacial warren]

Well. Still, it seems of relevance to her, given she goes out of her way to have a guardian chosen to protect it for however long they remain undefeated.

[cedar skiff]

this kinda reminds me of the chapels

[stray grove]

Well that part is incoherent

[limpid summit]

Why would this being that preserved peace in her wood let her lackey go around killing people who wanted to worship her

[stray grove]

Apple don’t engage

[limpid summit]

No I’m just asking

[floral quiver]

Only if you think that religion is always public worship

[cedar skiff]

to be fair this game puts a whole lot of weight on public worship lol

i could see the idea otherwise

[sinful nimbus]

Shrines being used as part of a deal involving sending servants up in reverence are usually used for public worship though

[spark valve]

The shrine is also specifically connected to that

[glacial warren]

Ye it is a bit puzzling. The closest thing I can consider is that she protects it because she’s aware her Dream can be entered here and the Pollen Heart she houses taken.

[floral quiver]

Because that specific shrine is not one that is intended for public worship.

It's like the house of god in old Israelite temples, you don't enter the house of god as a layperson because it would be sacrilege

[stray grove]

People aren’t running around with the elegy of the deep

[cedar skiff]

anyway i was gonna ask since i havent been around loreheads in a while but have any common conclusions been drawn about the chapels

[sinful nimbus]

We'd heard the Citadel once made grudging accord with that creature, sent their servants in reverence, even built a shrine up there somewhere. Maybe it's worth you searching for it?
What do you think the even here means

[cedar skiff]

they always had me curious af but i never bothered to do more digging

[sinful nimbus]

It was specifically a result of them revering Nyleth but apparently you can't do that with their shrine they built for that purpose?

[spark valve]

They don’t seem to have a shared origin

[glacial warren]

Eh true. Perhaps there was another danger she feared encroaching on where she kept the Pollen Heart, but there are still many blanks to fill.

[stray grove]

The pollen heart wasn’t kept inside the shrine it’s literally her heart

[spark valve]

Even here meaning the shrine is an extension of the practice and the shrine itself having a tablet saying that this is where they honor Nyleth

[floral quiver]

That it is one of the things they did to get accord with Nyleth.

Especially considering that when we find that shrine we learn it's not open for public worship.

[stray grove]

The reason Hornet can access her dream through it is similar to the reasoning behind TK accessing Bretta’s dream through the GPZ statue

It’s connected to her

But she had no actual reason to protect the shrine specifically

[spark valve]

It’s where she was remembered so it’s where the memory lingers

[stray grove]

Yeah

[spark valve]

Remembered by who you may wonder

[sinful nimbus]

Yea except the word implies its an extension of the previous idea (sending servants in reverence)

It was for the servants to revere Nyleth as is also indicated by the lore tablet

[cedar skiff]

im curious what overall point youre trying to make with the shrine not being open for public worship

[floral quiver]

Except it's overall connected to the stipulations of the accord

[sinful nimbus]

Which was about sending servants up in reverence yes

That's just how the sentence flows

[spark valve]

Clearly the citadel was sending servants as blood sacrifices into the meat grinder

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah where did they worship bruh

[unique vector]

Is first sinner alive or is the boss fight something close to a memory

[floral quiver]

People are claiming incoherence because they are assuming the shrine is intended for public worship. In this assumption Seth killing people would be against that.

[spark valve]

Memory

[limpid summit]

Memory

[sinful nimbus]

Its not an assumption its just what the game tells us

[limpid summit]

Entombed weavers are all dead

[spark valve]

🐌

[unique vector]

Is it prime widow or sum cuz they have the same voice

[cedar skiff]

i was down to defend seth lore up until realising this contradiction unfortunately 🥀

[stray grove]

@limpid summit non sequitur but I suddenly remembered you asked me the other day why you couldn’t access the Karm fight from her statue and I ignored you but Karm isn’t dead and Nyleth is
Idk why I decided to respond now

[spark valve]

Different weavers

[unique vector]

Alr

[floral quiver]

Except when you discover it and it's revealed that it *isn't for public worship and has an order of defenders who kill anyone who steps into the shrine proper

[spark valve]

The memory is probably all that’s left of Nyleth atp

[floral quiver]

It's not an incoherency, it's a character being misinformed.

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah which is inconsistent with the dialogue?

Which is why people are saying its incoherent?

And its generally nonsensical?

[sinful nimbus]

Holy backpedal

[floral quiver]

With the dialogue of a character who only knows of the shrine by second hand stories

[sinful nimbus]

Why would a character giving exposition lie like that

[cedar skiff]

the only unreliable narration in this game comes from hornet i fear

[stray grove]

But you can also access the dreams of people who are still alive through objects that were connected to them so it’s not really a great reason but it makes sense that they wanted Hornet to interact with Karm directly

[sinful nimbus]

Is the tablet corroborating his account also lying

That's just not good writing

Like even if you slice it like that it still sucks lmao

[floral quiver]

The tablet doesn't say they worship at the shrine

[stray grove]

Just don’t bother

[sinful nimbus]

OK google Mio's ending and lets talk about that

[spark valve]

No don’t just play it

[stray grove]

I’ll play it I promise

[spark valve]

The ending is actually good

[cedar skiff]

i think you know a discussion is over when the unreliable narration card gets pulled

[stray grove]

Well I’m sure it’s better than Silkslop

[cedar skiff]

whats mio

[spark valve]

Memories in orbit, a stellar (heh) metroidvania

[stray grove]

Slop genre

[floral quiver]

Considering that Silksong actively has unreliable narrative as a major part of its story?

[spark valve]

There’s diamonds in every rough

[stray grove]

Like Nine Sols

[sinful nimbus]

OK it still runs into some metroidvania slop

[sinful nimbus]

Does it

[cedar skiff]

the unreliable narration that matters is very clear and sensical theres a difference between intentional unreliable narration and just slapping it on any vague writing thats easy to tell apart

[stray grove]

Did you know that Hornet being a violent racist isn’t bad writing it’s an intended character flaw

[sinful nimbus]

Indie devs inspired by fromsoft when they need to make all their NPCs lie to the player because they're bored

The players will write it for us surely

[floral quiver]

... yes. The whole point of the first entrance to the Underworks is a narrative subversion of the constant reverence toward the Citadel.

[cedar skiff]

looked it up and the studio is french its either super slop or peak central

[sinful nimbus]

Dude no player was led to believe the Citadel was great lmao

[stray grove]

Oh what the fuck…

[spark valve]

It’s peak central and the map is mind blowing

[stray grove]

Well e33 is French… maybe I’ll still give it a go…

Ugh

[sinful nimbus]

The french know what's up fr

[stray grove]

Let’s not go too far

[spark valve]

Anyways uuuh silksong caretaker actually has a fairly nice character arc that’s under appreciated

[floral quiver]

The unreliable narration is simple with Seth.

"they sent worshippers and built a shrine."

"Oh, huh, the shrine isn't for public worship"

[stray grove]

This is hilarious

[limpid summit]

The dismantling of narratives being the major part of a game doesn’t mean things just can’t make sense lmao

Oh well

[sinful nimbus]

Why's it unreliable

Tf did they lie to us for

[cedar skiff]

the art style looks incredible i might have to add this on my list

[stray grove]

Yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Any time the game contradicts itself its unreliable narration guys

[stray grove]

Caretaker is the only good SS character

[floral quiver]

They didnt lie?

Not knowing something and learning it wasnt as a person said is not lying.

[sinful nimbus]

Bell Hermit

[stray grove]

I really do like him

[sinful nimbus]

No I mean the game itself

[stray grove]

Has no interactions

[limpid summit]

We'd heard the Citadel once made grudging accord with that creature, sent their servants in reverence, even built a shrine up there somewhere.

Actually they only heard it, this might be entirely hearsay

[spark valve]

Bell hermit is way less dynamic of a character

[sinful nimbus]

But also where did this guy get inaccurate info from lmao

[limpid summit]

Then he takes off the robe and blah

At least Sherma fills his shoes

[stray grove]

BH has like three lines of dialogue before getting incorporated into the Shaman hive mind

[floral quiver]

From people who chose not to die at Seth's hands?

[stray grove]

That’s part of his arc

[cedar skiff]

i like seth and second sentinel contradictions when it comes to their characters though

[spark valve]

Yeah but I’m gonna ignore that

[sinful nimbus]

I'll waste no more words on a slave, begone.

[spark valve]

Second sentinel and twelve have that as major parts of their development and it works

[sinful nimbus]

Why'd they come to an inaccurate conclusion

[stray grove]

Yeah yeah everyone’s a slave holy yap

[sinful nimbus]

This has no impact on the narrative be fr its just a contradiciton

[cedar skiff]

for what act 3 lacks in overall narrative it really has some incredible character moments

[spark valve]

Everyone talks about how subtle tc games are

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah like Hornet's cutscene where her mother says she abuses her out of love

[floral quiver]

It's a contradiction if you assume that the shrine was intended for public worship.

It turns out to not be.

[stray grove]

Did you know that one of the main themes of Silksong is that bad mothers are bad and good mothers are good

[limpid summit]

Do you think pale king put a Kingsmould in front of the fountain that killed anyone who dropped money in the well

To weed out idiots

[cedar skiff]

i like how memories in act 3 are all highly saturated to conrast the doom going on outside

[sinful nimbus]

Did you get amnesia mid convo you already backpedaled from saying its not an assumption its just the game intentionally misleading the player

So I'm talking about that now thanks

[spark valve]

Second sentinel kind of has the Midas touch most of their interactions are p good

[sinful nimbus]

Why does it do this

[cedar skiff]

lets all post silksong hopecore ❤️

[stray grove]

Second Sentinel is cool

[limpid summit]

You know what it is Star

They wrote the Shaman dialogue when Nyleth was still the Voice

[lone folio]

Yeah its insane (I didn't even pick up on any of that stuff while playing the game)

[limpid summit]

And forgot to revisit

[stray grove]

Yeah he did do that also his kingdom was built by slaves and he was a fool who thought he could command the void if he was smart he would just take Hallownest and move it somewhere else

[spark valve]

Voice of the woods is still a title in game Seth just doesn’t say jack about it

[sinful nimbus]

She has a uh wonderful voice you just can't needolin her

Sorry

Wish you could hear it its fantastic fr

[spark valve]

Moss Druid my beloved also a very fun character

[limpid summit]

I think the needolin should have struck at the Soul inside non haunted bugs

[floral quiver]

I dont assume that.

I think that the two are connected by being part of an accord and not connected by public worship.

[stray grove]

Moss Druid moment

[limpid summit]

It’s so crazy that Greyroot just has no thoughts you can probe

[cedar skiff]

making fun of silksong having shallow takes on themes like example motherhood with it being reduced to good/bad is kinda silly when the game does challenge that black and white thinking

[sinful nimbus]

This is an old list as you can tell by Bell Hermit in B but what we thinking fr

[cedar skiff]

i dont think its like a mindblowing lifechanging feat on writing but its executed in a plain good way

[sinful nimbus]

#sk-lore message

[stray grove]

Yeah take WL who is in reality a terrible mother figure but which the game presents as a good mother actually

[spark valve]

I think the jokes are more about that being underdeveloped due to the act 3 situation

[floral quiver]

It's a frustrating trend here.

[sinful nimbus]

Bro doesn't even know their own stance that's wild

[limpid summit]

Putting MM in mid B

[sinful nimbus]

He doesn't hit the same idk man

[stray grove]

You’re right

[spark valve]

He really doesn’t

[limpid summit]

I think he’s rudder

Tuffer

Wdym

[stray grove]

MM is so much worse in this game

[cedar skiff]

pinstress and seamstress in b is lame theyre cool

[limpid summit]

I guess it’s different when he’s talking to someone vs with them

[cedar skiff]

surely dlc will fix act 3 issues

[spark valve]

Yeah they’re fun

[limpid summit]

7 years for a game with holes and VOID at the end

[spark valve]

I doubt it

[cedar skiff]

IM ALL IN NOTHING EVER HAPPENS

[limpid summit]

I think we can complain a little

Almost all of us bought the game

[sinful nimbus]

why'd you capitalize void you ain't PK

[stray grove]

The most positive thing you can say about a SS NPC is that they’re “fun” because they’re all one note with like two interactions

[cedar skiff]

guy who talks like a hk lore tablet

[spark valve]

Nah man architect and second sentinel are actually pretty good

[limpid summit]

Why is eternity potential in the “but” part of the sentence

Isn’t that what makes it the power opposed

I don’t get the structure

[stray grove]

There are like four exceptions to that

[sinful nimbus]

"You don't fw me but I fw you"

[spark valve]

I wish gp was better but it’s like super polarized some of it is great the rest sorta sucks

[cedar skiff]

i think this is balanced out by the fact theres a fuck ton of npcs

[stray grove]

Like half of them don’t do anything and then die in act 3 for no reason

[cedar skiff]

but i really cant defend the lack of lace content team cherry youve disappointed me

[spark valve]

On the quantity to quality spectrum some would prefer it was a bit more leaned towards quality

[limpid summit]

Why did PK write the beacon tablet so late

Like what’s the point of mentioning the beacon after sealing Rad

It’s been around

[spark valve]

Because he was trying to rationalize what he did

[sinful nimbus]

MIO is the true goat of quantity over quality

[limpid summit]

Lord I can

I don’t like her

[stray grove]

Remember when we were excited by the prospect of exploring a living kingdom

[frank dove]

Okay, I also was convinced fayforn is not a hb, but then who is heart of greenpath

[limpid summit]

Phantom>>

[spark valve]

Because it’s part of the eternity in promise

[limpid summit]

And then WE kill it

[frank dove]

I think hk areas have hearts too

Fungal wastes has that big dead guy

[limpid summit]

Power might not manifest in the same way as in HK

[stray grove]

But no TC can only write dead kingdoms facing the same calamities with the same six people showing up each time

[cedar skiff]

ya i think thats a general deal with silksong and it being a less tied up story than hk, considering how team cherry worked on it and added more and more. i dont think of it as a weakness compared to hk i think it comes down to preference

[limpid summit]

The hearts are a fairly unique Pharloom thing

[stray grove]

Hearts are an afterthought

[limpid summit]

True

[spark valve]

They might just be a not Hallownest thing

[stray grove]

If you’re bringing up the Hearts as an example of a unique thing SS does like lmao

[sinful nimbus]

Every exploration focused game is a dead kingdom

Maybe all video games are just bad

[stray grove]

Soulslop

[cedar skiff]

i like it when the deuteragonist has more than 3 appearance

[limpid summit]

Super Mario Titans will save us

[stray grove]

So true twin

[limpid summit]

Could have been Sharpe 💔

[sinful nimbus]

what is super mario titans

[limpid summit]

“Hi Team Cherry it’s Jaspal Boodram I’m in the middle of act 2 and haven’t seen Sharpe even though you said there would be several encounters, where’s he at”
“…”

[floral quiver]

What are the six characters shared between Hollow Knight and Silksong?

[sinful nimbus]

so tuff

[spark valve]

BLUE PRINCE

[limpid summit]

Green Prince

[sinful nimbus]

Another generic indie roguelite... sigh

[cedar skiff]

dead kingdoms are to video games what isekais are to anime it just produces a lot more sense of curiosity and mystique

[limpid summit]

Isekai famously the pinnacle of the genre

[sinful nimbus]

Blue Prince deserved GOTY on god

[cedar skiff]

its good when you can immediately start your story with a why question without much thought

[stray grove]

MVs having you exclusively explore long dead kingdoms is a Metroid thing

[frank dove]

How do we know

[spark valve]

It’s close

[frank dove]

It could have been a kind of afterthought but still relevant

[sinful nimbus]

What's tuffer Daughter of Hallownest or the random miniboss named Clair Obscur

[limpid summit]

You will never convince me PK somehow put Silk in here to make the Kingsmoulds go

[spark valve]

The miniboss because it has more narrative buildup lol

[sinful nimbus]

idr does it have lore

[stray grove]

All runes require silk as a medium actually

[cedar skiff]

ive come to appreciate silk as a „magic system“ a lot more i cant lie spider creatures weaving spells is fucking cool

[floral quiver]

They dont

[spark valve]

It’s more about the placement in the narrative

[frank dove]

Wait what

[limpid summit]

Silk is cool but I don’t like how it’s basically just soul as far as the spells

[spark valve]

It is fun even if it ends up just being another way of using soul

[sinful nimbus]

I zoned out for most of the monolith icl

[limpid summit]

Sharpdart Pale Nails don’t feel silky

[stray grove]

Well yeah TC are creatively bankrupt

[spark valve]

Aesthetic isn’t nothin even if a lot of the silk skills don’t really utilize it

[stray grove]

NONE of them feel silky except for the ones that already existed in HK my guy

[sinful nimbus]

Kamura hunters mog

[limpid summit]

GMS doesn’t even use pale nails

[cedar skiff]

pale nails work for gms a lot more than they do for hornet

[floral quiver]

Runes as a thing can be etched into stone and metal.

[frank dove]

Wait guys

[limpid summit]

Rune rage is only silk because Hornet tells us it is

[frank dove]

I figured out who gilly's dad is

MASK MAKER

[stray grove]

It’s literally the PV attack

[frank dove]

THEY HAVE THE SAME MASK

[stray grove]

Pale Nails is also a PV attack

It’s literally soul nails nails aren’t even used in Pharloom why is that the GMS spell

[limpid summit]

Pale beings naturally get daggers and lasers

[spark valve]

Isn’t gilly’s dad explicitly dead

[limpid summit]

I think it’s supposed to be her fingernails

It’s her arm

[spark valve]

Nasty

[stray grove]

And then there’s a parry and a sharp shadow clone

[sinful nimbus]

gur

[frank dove]

Uhhhh

[floral quiver]

Because it shows how old those two rune spells are.

[frank dove]

Let me look at wiki for 10 min

[floral quiver]

They're pre-hallownest

[limpid summit]

Is he an outcast not because he was a model but because he has a bug kid

[cedar skiff]

the concept is held back by having to abide by gameplay rules set by the prequel

[limpid summit]

Dude is Gurr the Traitors Daughter

[stray grove]

Nah they could’ve taken that much further

[sinful nimbus]

???

[limpid summit]

Equivalent

[spark valve]

They probably could’ve come up with silkier spells or at least animations if they wanted

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah he gay asf

[stray grove]

Silk magic wasn’t really an established thing in HK they could’ve gone with whatever

[frank dove]

No she's not an ant bro

But I found this

A treacherous quest! But a crucial one! Upon the last wish of my father, I've taken up the study of these wild caves.

[stray grove]

One of the few examples of it was literally spider constructs

That’s unique as hell

Why don’t we get more shit like that

[frank dove]

Let me keep looking just in case

[stray grove]

No it’s just generic soul spells lmao

Silk is soul silk is soul

[spark valve]

This is why thread storm is the goat

[sinful nimbus]

silk... soul?

clawline is good too

[spark valve]

Claw line is cool

[floral quiver]

Because part of the mechanics is doing what Hornet did in Hollow Knight, but with explanation on why.

[cedar skiff]

i hate replaying silksong and not having my precious clawline

nothing in hk comes close to being as fun to use

[stray grove]

The most unique looking silk skill and it’s something that was just lifted from the previous game
I’m not going to say it’s not cool but spinning thread around is also hardly interesting they could’ve taken the aesthetic so much further if they weren’t creatively bankrupt

[limpid summit]

…stories, shields, spells. So much of our history was spun upon their spools.

No Deepnest history no shields boring spells god TC can NOT sequel bait

Midwife more irrelevant by the day

[cedar skiff]

but we see shields

[stray grove]

Surely this plot thread will have a conclusion

[cedar skiff]

figuratively anyway

[sinful nimbus]

Could Hornet wyvern ride Bell Eater

[frank dove]

So why do mask maker and gilly have the same mask then

[limpid summit]

Ddive and abyss shriek are so fun

[cedar skiff]

a plot… thread…?

[limpid summit]

Using multiple spells again was what made shaman crest the best

[stray grove]

Why does MH rise have better silk skills than the silk game

[frank dove]

First reponse would be he made a similar one for everyone

But no one else has that mask

[stray grove]

Pathetic honestly

[spark valve]

Genuinely disappointed there’s no crest with two skulls one red

[sinful nimbus]

It also has the coolest spider boss oat

ok maybe not idrk many spider bosses

But she's up there

[spark valve]

FS is also pretty cool let’s be fair

[stray grove]

“The best” haha okay bro

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah Widow and FS are great

[limpid summit]

You’re right Reaper is best

[stray grove]

Widow and FS are way better

Rakna isn’t a fun fight

Rakna can’t even climb in Stories straight trash

[cedar skiff]

hunters crest clears after all

[sinful nimbus]

Funner than GU apexes btw

[stray grove]

“GU apexes” larp

[spark valve]

Well ok fuck you

[sinful nimbus]

"Fated Four" 🤓

[stray grove]

Three of those are fun lmao

[frank dove]

2nd of all why does crull look like a muckroach

[floral quiver]

So you think constructs would be cooler?

Change Hornets entire style because her moveset backed by silk is boring and not creative enough when the whole point of the DLC turned game is to play as Hornet.

[sinful nimbus]

One of GU's flagships was invented by Rise lmao

[stray grove]

Yeah you’re right

[spark valve]

Much as we all wish it was this isn’t mh discussion

[limpid summit]

We ALL wish

[stray grove]

There are no mods here

[limpid summit]

Goofy and Pluto

[stray grove]

It’s a godless lawless land

This channel needs a hero

[limpid summit]

And it’s me

Apple egg

[spark valve]

Everyone laughing until powdered actually rejoins

[limpid summit]

The inventor of Myla’s song theory

[sinful nimbus]

Powdered was in on MH dw

[cedar skiff]

why dont any citadel bugs use silk guns

[sinful nimbus]

Wonder what Khezu is up to

[limpid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-culling-games-culling-games-jjk-ryu-ryu-jujutsu-kaisen-ryu-jujutsu-gif-13013674619887156677

[stray grove]

He hated new gen though

[spark valve]

The silkshots still draw on the user’s silk so they’d have very limited capacity in normal hands

[sinful nimbus]

I hate newgens too

[foggy fractal]

am I a newgen

[sinful nimbus]

You OG dw

[spark valve]

And be wasteful

[stray grove]

I mean he hated the new gen games

[foggy fractal]

yay

[cedar skiff]

prime citadel was stuffing silk into anything

[floral quiver]

Because that was a Weaver invention that seems to have not been mainstreamed before they left/enacted the Citadel plan

[stray grove]

HK’s magic system felt so much cooler

We didn’t even get to see any new Shaman spells

[limpid summit]

Why did Groal just have Vengeful Spirit

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet could puppet mechs with her silk fr

[spark valve]

Essence is cool and ss has less interaction with it though verdania’s a solid example

[stray grove]

Common spell I guess

[cedar skiff]

ive been saying the ability you should have gotten from gms is puppeteering

[stray grove]

Verdania wasn’t fun

[limpid summit]

Is mastering a spell difficult even for shamans

[spark valve]

Conceptually not mechanically

[limpid summit]

That would have been awesome but so hard to code

[stray grove]

ik jus sayin

[cedar skiff]

ya exactly

[spark valve]

A memory that gets reconstructed as hornet reminds gp of the past

[limpid summit]

Like why do shamans only really have one each

[sinful nimbus]

SS never really reached the flexibility and intrigue Godseeker tuning had as a magic system

[stray grove]

They probably have more than one each

I think those are just their signature spells

They can probably use other spells

[cedar skiff]

the chainsaw man ending memes really reminded me of silksong. silksong fans when ari gibson tells them to imagine the ending

[stray grove]

But my understanding is shamans are kind of like frieren demons

They spend their lives developing a new spell and pushing that to its limit

[foggy fractal]

frieren hiatus 😔

[floral quiver]

And that wouldn't be "Hornet as seen in Hollow Knight" which is kinda a major part of the game's existance.

Most of the abilities are "What Hornet did in her boss fight but more powerful"

Suddenly switching her abilities up would get understandable fan backlash cause it wouldn't be Hornet

[cedar skiff]

godseeker being spoken of in a positive context

Disappointing

[stray grove]

I think it’s a cool trope to be clear

[sinful nimbus]

What if you could like customize a Fourth Chorus mech though

[stray grove]

I’d have liked to see more shamans and what spells they came up with based on their personalities etc

But alas

[cedar skiff]

i think tuning is cool though

[sinful nimbus]

Go on sorties

Would be so tuff

[limpid summit]

Let’s go kill those demons 😐😐🙂

[floral quiver]

That would be cool but it wouldnt be Hornet.

[limpid summit]

🙂 <- Sein

[sinful nimbus]

I don't like Hornet

[stray grove]

HK having the Shaman known for her beautiful voice develop a rudimentary form of speech using Soul was tuff don’t lie

[sinful nimbus]

Mechs are far more interesting

[floral quiver]

What do you like about Silksong?

[limpid summit]

Skynx

[foggy fractal]

citadel I think

flashback

[limpid summit]

I really don’t like Hornet

She had so much aura in HK

The boss when you unlock her as a character

[stray grove]

If you were a shaman what would your signature spell revolve around

[foggy fractal]

feels the aura!

[cedar skiff]

eats the food enjoys it

[stray grove]

Assuming something within the limits of what they’ve been shown to be capable of so no crazy PK level shit

[cedar skiff]

the people yearn for more personality identifiers in their stories

[sinful nimbus]

OK to be clear I was making an armored core joke but I like Silksong's combat quite a lot the sprint attacks launching you into the air is very cool so are the diagonal pogos and crest system and storywise I think the Citadel is very nice from both a worldbuilding and thematic perspective

[floral quiver]

She was a generic haughty badass in Hollow Knight.

Like, yeah, cool but as stock as they come.

And I liked Hornet in HK

[cedar skiff]

i havent really read much gachiakuta but the idea vaguely reminds me of that power system

[limpid summit]

Nothing generic about this beast

[stray grove]

I mean it’s kinda a common fantasy trope but that’s an example of it

[limpid summit]

She’s honorable and strong

My goat Hornet

[stray grove]

Gendered Child 🥶

Apple answer my question

You too Star

[limpid summit]

Gendered Child must be a tuff title in universe

What’s your question

[graceful grail]

Except of first playthru

[stray grove]

.

[foggy fractal]

cloak myself in soul and fling myself at people like an angry bird

[cedar skiff]

i wanted to use a hip and cool with the kids example

[stray grove]

TUFF

[foggy fractal]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEYA!

[stray grove]

This would actually be a cool spell you cooked Andy

[floral quiver]

Again, generic.

Stock character.

Which isn't bad.

[limpid summit]

Soul Black Flash

[cedar skiff]

hornet is a well written female character

[sinful nimbus]

Paintress Void Meteors

[stray grove]

Oh my god bruh

[limpid summit]

Not enough close range soul attacks

[cedar skiff]

this is just desolate dive

[graceful grail]

Good Characters have flaws

[cedar skiff]

kinda

[limpid summit]

How I’d that not tuff

[limpid summit]

But we really don’t see enough of her personality in Silksong honestly

Because the game is about discovering the world

In the old Hornet DLC with living Weavers and Deepnest lore

Life could have been so great

[stray grove]

Yeah Hornet’s flaws are she randomly switches up between being generally helpful and polite to being a violent racist who is also complicit in the spread of an ecosystem wiping bioweapon and who also kills old ladies for no reason
And her evil genes

[sinful nimbus]

Its true Hornet was kinda generic but she delivered some very solid and impactful lines and the moment after killing Herrah was pretty good

[limpid summit]

Based based based

[cedar skiff]

i like the culture shock when bourgeoisie hornet discovers the suffering in the citadel and wonders if such things exist in her kingdom unbeknownst to her

[graceful grail]

I think the switch for her character is supposed to be after she talks to caretaker for silk and soul quest. But its kinda jarring i admit

[sinful nimbus]

based sigma moyai emoji

[limpid summit]

I like how unless you really probe the timeline and trace lore tablets you’re supposed to believe Herrah contributed to the creation of the Citadel and enslavement of bugs

[cedar skiff]

thats one of my favourite #charactersmoments even though its one line lol

[limpid summit]

They didn’t

But it’s good that she asks

[sinful nimbus]

I never believed that tf

[limpid summit]

She’s still got it

[limpid summit]

I believed it for a minute

[cedar skiff]

and i think this is a good execution of showing how hornets relationship with her status

Not the other thing.

[limpid summit]

As in a while

[spark valve]

That is the one weird part of the line

[limpid summit]

I was just like what

[sinful nimbus]

that's a bottom 10 hornet like

[foggy fractal]

We do not choose our mothers, or the circumstance into which we are born. Despite all the ills of this world, I'm thankful for the life she granted me.

🤔 top 3 lines in hollow knight? what we thinking where does this go

[cedar skiff]

unc still got it!

[limpid summit]

I mean is it a rhetorical in a “definitely” sense like first sinner

Or are we actually supposed to wonder

[stray grove]

Hornet when it comes to invading people’s memories without their consent and then murdering them in cold blood when politely asked to leave

[limpid summit]

Oh I mean it’s great

I love this line

[spark valve]

If we are that’s a bit silly

[limpid summit]

I wonder if she flashes back to it when coating her needle with Freshfly blood

[spark valve]

This also ties in nicely with her outlook on lace

[cedar skiff]

i wish the slabfly dialogue wasnt just a poorly placed joke because it would make hornet nuanced media

[sinful nimbus]

This falling ash is moult. The Wyrm's corpse decaying. Endless. Rmm... Serene. Sad.

With its like gone, the world is smaller. 🥶

[foggy fractal]

FEELS

THE

AURA!

[sinful nimbus]

Love Bardoon

[stray grove]

I love Bardoon

[limpid summit]

Miss, why would you do such a thing

[limpid summit]

Oh my god bruh

I love him