sk-lore

[floral quiver]

Hornet could throw her needle dead on, but without the rune that actually makes Silkspear Silkspear she'd just be throwing a pointed metal bar as far as her muscles would allow.

[limber socket]

i do play the game twin it was a joke

take it easy

[foggy fractal]

y'know the pale king no diffs

smh

[floral quiver]

Like in Hollow Knight!

[stray grove]

How does PK overcome Infinity

[limpid summit]

Blowing up the planet

[foggy fractal]

he learns world cutting slash

[limpid summit]

He doesn’t need to breathe

[foggy fractal]

duh

[limber socket]

you mean OUR world cutting slash

[floral quiver]

He doesnt. He can explicitly lose hard-core. 😄

[stray grove]

He could just seal Gojo in the dream expanse like prison realm

[limpid summit]

Anyway it’s not worth debating the semantics of shaman wording

So let’s go back to Pale King

[foggy fractal]

no no lets debate the ac lore tablet runes
are those runes

[stray grove]

Dream expanse is even more broken than prison realm cos there’s no asspull back door and it gradually erodes those sealed within it to nothing

PK shifted an entire palace there he could probably handle one guy

[limber socket]

can PK solo goku 🤔

[limpid summit]

Your discussion doesn’t have ground within the game

Gonna have to pack it up buddy

Equalization is pointless powerscaling slop

How about Gojo vs PV

[limber socket]

i said that before

they said PK solos somehow

[stray grove]

However with that being said if PK didn’t get the jump on Gojo he’s probably getting speed blitzed and while his regen (focus, basically RCT) is crazy (and equating CE and Soul, having infinite Soul would give him the highest reserves) I don’t know if he can survive purple unless PK’s durability is relative to the Wyrm’s

[limber socket]

bro texting a whole file

[foggy fractal]

yuji (modular) vs pk

who wins

[stray grove]

It depends on if the dream expanse functions similarly to domains

If it does Yuji wins probably

[foggy fractal]

w yuji

[limber socket]

now we're debating fights in silksong lore, what a beatiful chat ❤️‍🩹

[foggy fractal]

feels the aura!

[stray grove]

Well this is a stomp PV has no win condition

No way to bypass infinity

[limpid summit]

Vessel shells can withstand Rad blasts and PK likely has a stronger shell than some corpse

His durability is high

[stray grove]

PK might also be able to drain Gojo’s soul directly and as we know soul damage does work

But I don’t think PV has that ability

Vessels can drain Soul but they need to deal damage first

[stray grove]

Well TK shatters his shell in a single blow do you think its regular striking strength compares to BF

Or are you saying his shell was brittle due to him being dead for a while

[foggy fractal]

oh speaking of the knight

vgfocus vs gojo 🤔

[limpid summit]

Yeah

We don’t know what his internal composition was ofc

But it makes sense

[limpid summit]

God of Gods TK in its shell idk

I feel like VGFocus isn’t great against hax

[stray grove]

Depends on how much you’re glazing Void

[whole holly]

Who would win from MCU

[foggy fractal]

t hanos

[floral quiver]

Very few, too human. Or rather too slow.

Even mortals in Hollow knights world can be nearly faster than the eye can see.

[whole holly]

I agree he had so much setup, almost as much as Steel Masters

[whole holly]

Hela, Thor and Scarlet Witch feel like contenders

Maybe not Thor

[tawdry flare]

Are we powerscaling Marvel characters in the lore chat?

What has this server come to...

[foggy fractal]

no its w chats

[whole holly]

I mean weren’t we power scaling other characters a second ago? What’s the problem

[foggy fractal]

next we're gonna scale dc characters

[stray grove]

My work here is done

[whole holly]

Lol, who wins lord of shades of Batman with preptime

[foggy fractal]

batman with preptime

gonna get his hands on everbloom

[floral quiver]

As a batman fan, Hornet could murderize Bruce easily if she put her mind to it.

It's just that would never happen because both are compassionate heroes with Hornet's first action being words unless what she's facing gives her nothing to imply thar words would work.

[whole holly]

True honesty

[foggy fractal]

batman will pull some tibetan monks shit

[whole holly]

Hornet will pull shaman and weaver shit

[floral quiver]

Thing about batman is that while he can hang with the real martial artists of the DCU, he's just on the list. There are more than a few fighters that could feed Bruce his teeth in an actual fight.

[foggy fractal]

I mean I guess it depends on what version of batman

[foggy stratus]

What we talking about?

[floral quiver]

A big thing about a Hornet Batman fight is that he relies on theatrics and fear to keep Gotham's lowlifes from being a coherent threat. Hornet is almost if not entirely fearless, and well used to trickery and theatrics given her own style.

Without being able to control the pace of the fight through those two things, the fight, like any of Bat's rogues who don't fear him, wouldn't be a wash.

But yeah, sorry.

Back to lore!

[foggy fractal]

are ac lore tablets runes

are those mushroom lore tablets runes?

[floral quiver]

Ac?

[foggy fractal]

ancient civilization

[floral quiver]

I'm gonna say potentially but I don't personally think so.

They're both written languages, which runes don't seem to he

Like, The Silkspear rune doesn't mean something. It's just a shape that does a thing when formed from silk

[foggy stratus]

Tf does the Clawline loop outside Architects Chapel even do??(i know its off topic but Sk Help didnt answer me and I wanna know if it does something)

[limpid summit]

Colloquial definition of runes is language. I don’t see why those can’t be runes based on what we know about runes in HK

Rune Harps transmit messages

[floral quiver]

True!

[foggy fractal]

what type of rune is this

[floral quiver]

Still dont think they're runes like Weaver runes.

[limpid summit]

This is why I think PK could make rune adjacent things himself, just as he makes seals etc
Tablets like the no world beyond were def before the Vessel project

I don’t deny that there was valuable info in Weaver science that he could have benefited from and that’s why there’s silk in the workshop

But I think it makes more sense that it was acquired during the time of relative peace in between infection waves

Not only were the weavers satisfied in the moment with his success, but he could experiment to his hearts content without the urgency of the vessel project looming

Gadget can I use an analogy cause this was a big part of my point but I don’t think I explained it well

[floral quiver]

See the thing is, there's letters infused with Soul, and then there's magical shapes that allow one to manipulate light and pierce extremely hard material and control robots.

[limpid summit]

True, but the latter sounds like something a God would do, right

These Weavers, if Silksong dialogue is to be surmised, probably weren’t even around for Snare Setter or Eva let alone the Citadel

We don’t know the extent of their techniques

But they probably did create the Servitors

I still don’t think they helped with the creation of the constructs because those were early Void experiments - it doesn’t make sense for PK to go to an enemy nation asking for their miracle substance (and life force) without even a prototype to prove his dangerous plan might work

I think the Silk was acquired later, after Rad was sealed, and PK either used it for other things or planned to

He had a life too

[foggy fractal]

see it all leads back to pk wanting silky blankets and pillows

[limpid summit]

Yeah

They wrote on Silk

It was useful

[foggy stratus]

"Its WL not me I swear" he says under 8 weaver silk blankets

[floral quiver]

A big thing for me is that the Kings experiments with runes and seals and robots and void weren't throughout his reign. They were seemingly stuffed right near the end when he was desperate and starting to or already enacting multiple plans to take down Radiance.

Basically, the Vessel plan had a very tight window relatively speaking, but still one where cultural exchanges happened

[whole holly]

Silk parchment paper is honestly big part of Hallownest

[floral quiver]

Late hallownest

[whole holly]

Yeah

[limpid summit]

I don’t think there was any cultural exchange pre Vessel project. They never accepted his rule and strung up passerby to eat

[floral quiver]

The King was in the like of the Weavers in his last days. Slapping any new plan that could conceivably work together until one seemingly did. The only difference is that the Weavers accepted their failure and died to prepare the way for a potential savior, or fled their kingdom never to return until absolutely desperate

[limpid summit]

I think you’re mixing up his mentalities

He was likely frantic second wave once his plan failed

But his experiments were meticulous and deliberate

[whole holly]

I doubt Deepnest Society is a monolith , even isolationist hive society trained hornet

[limpid summit]

I would agree and that’s why I didn’t bring up Failed Tramway because that was probably just animals

However this is in their capital city lol

[floral quiver]

Yes. My opinion is that the Vessel plan was desperate, but needed enough time that cultural exchanges occurred as it was being built up.

[limpid summit]

I agree but find it logical that those exchanges happened after as uneasy alliances often blossom after crises

I don’t think the Weavers were funneling PK silk based on concepts of a plan

That just doesn’t make sense

They didn’t like him and for good reason they escaped a pale being in the past

[floral quiver]

They were funneling him silk because that was their end of the bargain to get an heiress and assumed protection from the Infection.

Silk and skill were what the king wanted along with a Dreamer

They never liked him

And if they werent as desperate as everyone else would have most likely given him the finger and told him to deal with his own problems

[limpid summit]

But who is to say that plan would work in their eyes

It depends on a multitude of factors

[floral quiver]

Nothing. That's why they left.

[limpid summit]

I think PK would have solidified his void experiments before coming to the Weavers with a vessel

[limpid summit]

No it did for a while so they stayed

They only just left

[whole holly]

They were skeptical about pale beings and wyrms in general

[limpid summit]

Honestly the Dreamers weren’t even entirely necessary. You could go as far as to say he would have already had PV born before he approached the Dreamers

Maybe the weavers helped with some seals I don’t deny that

I think the fog canyon tablets say weave somewhere

Though you’d be hard pressed to base a theory on that

[floral quiver]

He came to the Weavers for expertise as much as magic.

His constructs are very similar to Weaver constructs, just somewhat more crude and powered by Void and soul rather than just Silk

[limpid summit]

But like PK is strong and that specifically wouldn’t refer to the vessels anyway their imprint wasn’t weaved

[limpid summit]

But like

How do you know

He already was an expert

Soul is life force

And he could control it to the extreme

Why couldn’t he just make life runes himself

[floral quiver]

Because I can compare the two constructs and note the similarities and differences

[pseudo narwhal]

I missed some conversation here but I had a hc that the spell to trap the Radiance is a Weavers tech and was designed by Herrah (and that's why she was needed as a dreamer)
And Vessel project is response to overcome limitations of this spell (Radiance doesn't have any physical body to trap, so you need some sort of an anchor/container for her)

[limpid summit]

I mean the Kingsmoulds are faster and deadlier for one

Void is hard to beat down and PK managed

Gadget the thing is if the Weavers could just do that why don’t we see any hint of them making void constructs in Absolom

You would think they would visibly attempt it

[floral quiver]

Because the Weavers, unlike the Pale King, weren't truely desperate enough to use Void.

[whole holly]

I mean void usage expertise is part that is unique to him but rune etched shell might be unique to him

[limpid summit]

And that’s why they faded

[whole holly]

They couldn’t pacify the void

[limpid summit]

You mean not

?

[stray grove]

Is this still going

[whole holly]

I mean so did pk

[limpid summit]

No I’m breaking new ground

I’m not arguing

Yeah but he was fighting a HB

[whole holly]

It general discussion ig

[stray grove]

PK and Weavers developed different technologies that doesn’t mean the Weavers were more advanced

[floral quiver]

Yeah, etching is very much a Pale King variant of runecraft.

[limpid summit]

They were just playing a song

[stray grove]

The stuff the Weavers made PK would’ve had no use for

[limpid summit]

Way to misread the discussion bum

[lofty beacon]

a silksong?

[stray grove]

And the stuff PK made is far more advanced in general; Weavers couldn’t make Seals of Binding etc

[spark valve]

that's like the one thing he made that they could make

[whole holly]

They prototyped it in first place

[stray grove]

It didn’t work

[whole holly]

Tammo being accurate yet again

[spark valve]

it was incomplete

[stray grove]

They managed to replicate the basic design not the function

[stray grove]

Because they probably couldn’t complete it themselves, you can read that one of two ways

[floral quiver]

... yes they did?

They built the prototype. That the Pale King was a part of finishing it doesnt take away their major contribution in its creation.

[spark valve]

it's true that they wouldn't have lacked for time to complete it

[stray grove]

Either him commissioning them for the prototype and then him using his own magic to complete the design or him having made it himself and sharing it with them as part of the deal

But Weavers never make a functioning SoB we see

If it was their magic originally they’d have put one literally anywhere

But the only one we see in their domain is incomplete

[floral quiver]

Only because the prototype doesnt have something important to seal because it's a prototype

[stray grove]

PK on the other hand made at least two independently

The prototype isn’t even finished is the thing

You can’t even call it a proof of concept

[floral quiver]

Why?

What did they have to seal permanently?

[spark valve]

either way runes are probably something anyone good enough at soul would arrive at

[stray grove]

If they had no use for it in the first instance why would they develop it

The claim that they already had it prior to PK asking for their help kind of falls apart there

[spark valve]

dawg it doesn't really matter runes are in both their and pk's wheelhouses because they both use the same magic, given time they could probably make a fully functioning sob

[floral quiver]

... because it was part of the deal between them and the King.

Their expertise for an heiress and safety from the infection.

[whole holly]

Weavers do have natural talent for it

[stray grove]

I don’t think that’s necessarily true

[limpid summit]

@stray grove this is where my peak theory comes in

[stray grove]

Seals of Binding are specific seals we don’t know how developing seals in general works but idk why you would assume anyone with a knowledge of the craft could eventually accomplish it

[whole holly]

Yeah it wouldn’t even work on GMS and they were helping seal radiance

[spark valve]

because it's a craft?

[whole holly]

It is clearly soul based, soul manipulators would set their minds to develop seal for some purpose

[whole holly]

Exactly

[stray grove]

For all we know SoBs are far more complex than anything the Weavers would have had the capability of making with their own knowledge or required more soul to charge than would be feasible for them to supply

Just because I can cast Cantrips doesn’t mean I can use Wish or ever will

[floral quiver]

Why would you assume that?

[spark valve]

ok but given time and resources they could maybe eventually make one it's not like a completely unattainable feat

[stray grove]

Sure, not necessarily unattainable
But by your own admission they weren’t lacking for time and still couldn’t finish one

[whole holly]

They just are for some reason

[spark valve]

maybe that's because they couldn't maybe they just didn't want to invest the very limited resources to do it

[whole holly]

We don’t know details about it, it is just baseless speculation

[whole holly]

Exactly

[stray grove]

Yeah that’s my entire point

[floral quiver]

Why are you going "Oh, that thing the Weavers visually had a major hand in creating? They actually didnt do shit and it was all the Pale King being smart and great and amazing and better than the people who's whole deal is being experts on runic arrays"

[stray grove]

Because if we assume it’s the latter then the claim that the SoB was Weaver thing they had access to prior to meeting PK kind of doesn’t make sense

That’s what I contested

Not the hypothetical that they could make one given infinite time and resources

[spark valve]

obviously the sob doesn't predate their meeting pk it's literally got thk in its design

[stray grove]

[whole holly]

Weavers were likely commissioned

[stray grove]

The argument was that the general magic existed

[stray grove]

I mean it’s possible but idk why you’d necessarily assume this either

It also doesn’t matter

[spark valve]

weavers used runes before encountering pk

pk used runes before encountering them

runes are not exactly unique

[whole holly]

*seals

[stray grove]

Shhhhhhh

[gentle aspen]

You know who else used runes before encountering pk?

[stray grove]

You’re gonna open a whole can of worms

[spark valve]

ac

[stray grove]

There’s a reason I was avoiding that man

[whole holly]

Are you going to say shamans, moths, ac?

[gentle aspen]

my mom

[stray grove]

But yes obviously it’s true both parties used runes most spellcasters use runes

Shamans and AC use runes

[gentle aspen]

anyways hasn’t this conversation gone on for several hours at this point

[stray grove]

But the applications of those runes will naturally vary based on the aptitude and knowledge of the user and as far as we know PK was the only rune user with the capability of making SoBs in a timely manner

[whole holly]

Sure buddy, seals = glyphs = runes = any type of glowing shape

[floral quiver]

This is quite literally all we have. We've talked every other pointless lore thing to death multiple times.

[stray grove]

This is all I was saying really

[gentle aspen]

You’re acting as if this isn’t something that hasn’t been discussed to death already

[floral quiver]

Seals are arrays of multiple runes! 😄

[whole holly]

Sadly nobody can define what runes, seals are, they are quite literally both glowing shapes and we have to grasp at straws for any kind of argument

[whole holly]

What are glyphs?

[gentle aspen]

I’m saying that if the conversation has gone on this long then it really has no merit since no one is going to come to any sort of consensus or reach some new understanding

and regardless, it isn’t as though weavers having different names for existing things is rare is it

[whole holly]

Yeah consensus won’t matter either, we need more lore on this

[floral quiver]

Pretty sure "glyphs" arent an actual thing?

[whole holly]

This has been my headcanon

[edgy nebula]

my mom!

[spark valve]

💀

[whole holly]

Elina says about them they are moth tablets at crystal peak radiance statue

[edgy nebula]

damn i was too slow

[whole holly]

This is literally most likely case

But it may be regional differences

[floral quiver]

Aaah, the out of game book.

[whole holly]

And runes may have cultural differences or additional tests of silk

[whole holly]

I mean I though it was canon

[stray grove]

Glyphs in that context don’t refer to the same thing as runes

Ellina is talking about the actual symbols

Runes are magic soul inscriptions

Moth Tablets don’t use Soul those just have writing

[spark valve]

meh they also glow

[stray grove]

And claiming runes is are a Weaver specific term is pedantic at best

Who cares

[whole holly]

You?

[whole holly]

Yeah

[stray grove]

You could argue they’re a similar sort of thing but Essence

It doesn’t really matter

[whole holly]

We see essence seals though

[whole holly]

What does?

[stray grove]

Those aren’t seals, also not mutually exclusive

The seals could also be comprised of glyphs/runes/whatever the fuck arbitrary term you’ve decided to use

And most likely are

[whole holly]

I was using term colloquially unless you have better term

[stray grove]

I’m saying the distinction is meaningless and you should stop wasting everyone’s time insisting that it isn’t

Seals use runes

[limpid summit]

You having fun kirb

[stray grove]

No I don’t really care about this stupid argument

I wasn’t involved in it

At some point I’ll probably just post a Patrick gif

[whole holly]

Aren’t you leading discussion here, why correct me over something you don’t care about or have better alternative for?

[stray grove]

My brother in Christ the discussion was literally about PK/Weavers/a bunch of other magic users using runes and you jumped in with “not every glowing symbol is a rune some are glyphs” or whatever the fuck

You are the only person who thinks the distinction matters

[whole holly]

Sorry for using most accurate term that we have…

[stray grove]

Sigh

Rune is the most accurate term we have but I’m not going to entertain ts

[spark valve]

just call em runes and ignore anyone complaining

[tawdry flare]

PK used ciphers

[whole holly]

I mean I asked question but thanks for condescension

[foggy fractal]

besides the ellina entry are glyphs used to describe anything that looks like runes elsewhere?

[foggy stratus]

In gonna weave a rune around your shins so that every time you walk you hit them on something.

[whole holly]

“Distinction doesn’t matter”

[foggy stratus]

Glyphsong I thinks.

[stray grove]

Glyph*

[foggy stratus]

Seal*

[stray grove]

What do you think Shamans inscribe their runes in

Weavers use silk PK is presumably skilled enough to just use pure soul

The SoB kinda just floats but he also puts them in rocks and shit

[spark valve]

I mean the fun answer would be blood but shamans might be good enough to just use soul

[stray grove]

Blood would be fun

[whole holly]

Okay I will turn you into widow-state to prevent all that

[stray grove]

I’m willing to accept them just using Soul because they’re clearly better than those bum ahh Weavers

[spark valve]

I mean weavers are like decent

[stray grove]

Imagine casting spells using your own life energy lmao

[spark valve]

the shamans do that too but it was an extreme scenario

[stray grove]

Yeah

They’d already exhausted their reserves etc

[spark valve]

not everyone can be PK and just have infinite battery

[stray grove]

Shamans probably just needed a LR

[floral quiver]

What Runes?

When have the Shamans ever used runes outside of assuming Hornet using runes with the Shaman's crest must mean the Shamans had a runecraft tradition.

Especially considering one of the techniques we do know is Shaman make involves just crudely launching a glob of soul forward rather than molding it into runic spells.

[whole holly]

Have infinite soul and somehow die

[stray grove]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-7240636

[whole holly]

They don’t care about discussion and distinction which is their excuse of weaving their burned of proof away

[whole holly]

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-gif-12554037691025205909

[whole holly]

This is what no correlation argument looks like

[foggy stratus]

I'm gonna make your house look like Weaver Queen ending Citadel then.

[stray grove]

Well yes the Shaman crest augmenting spells with runes does mean that

[floral quiver]

If he had infinite soul he shouldn't have been dead from presumably Void exposure because any soul destroyed would be replaced

[tawdry flare]

???

[stray grove]

He didn’t die of Void exposure

Void death in the big 26 🥀

[spark valve]

chat's entering stupid mode huh

[floral quiver]

Ooor Hornet uses the power and wisdom gained to augment her own runic arrays.

[whole holly]

I am going to put you into Father of the Flame totem

[stray grove]

Then why would that be a quality of the Shaman crest specifically

[foggy stratus]

I'm gonna burn your house down! With the lemons!

[stray grove]

She absorbed the knowledge and power of the Shamans this is explicitly stated

That manifests as rune empowered skills

[floral quiver]

Because the knowledge and power of the Shamans is the Crest that gives her the power and knowledge to do that, unlike other Crests.

[stray grove]

Read that again slowly

[whole holly]

I am going to throw you into muckmaggots water, also be creative this is supposed to be Silksong references

[stray grove]

“The Shaman crest, unlike other crests, grants Hornet the knowledge and power necessary to create runes” is what you just said
How on earth is the logical conclusion “so the Shamans didn’t use runes and Hornet did that herself”

[foggy stratus]

I'm gonna throw muckmaggot balls at you until you have less silk than Wisp Thicket.

[spark valve]

it's just ragebait

[foggy stratus]

(Also you gave me that opportunity no shit ima use it)

[whole holly]

Okay Thomas Edison, I willl plasmify you

[stray grove]

ts got to be

[floral quiver]

You're assuming that the knowledge involved is direct knowledge of runecraft gained from the Shamans.

I am not assuming that.

I am assuming that the wisdom lets Hornet do modifications to her runes despite the Shamans never interacting with runes. Because it makes Hornet more magically intelligent in general.

[whole holly]

“Everything I don’t agree with is ragebait “

[stray grove]

[foggy stratus]

I'm gonna Void Silk you until youre emptier than a Vessel.

[stray grove]

Genuinely not worth the effort

[whole holly]

That’s not how it works I am just straight up going to infect you

[foggy stratus]

That's it youre getting stabbed.

[whole holly]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-stupid-freak-derp-gif-16742516013310799961

[foggy stratus]

Wtf is this

[whole holly]

This is what your responses look like

[sinful nimbus]

first light

[whole holly]

Art

[foggy stratus]

I've seen Ai images better than that, and I fucking hate Ai.

[sinful nimbus]

What about Act 3

[stray grove]

TRUE

[whole holly]

Okay? Good for you

[stray grove]

I forgot about first light retroactively canonizing void death thanks for reminding me

[spark valve]

I mean it didn't do that but retconsong is retconsong

[stray grove]

It’s funnier to say it did

[foggy stratus]

Tf even is that?

First light.

[spark valve]

hype moments and aura

[whole holly]

Everbloom

[limpid summit]

Lumaflies in the workshop either canonize void death or he was dipping them in void

[sinful nimbus]

How else could the pale being be consumed with such insatiable efficiency

[spark valve]

except it's not even hype and doesn't even have aura it's just dumb

[stray grove]

Well you see the reasons for void death not working are a) PK would pacify it b) PK isn’t stupid or reckless and c) it would be bad writing now we know a and b aren’t true and that TC are bad writers

[spark valve]

wl doesn't even know about the abyss lighthouse

[whole holly]

Greyroot

[sinful nimbus]

If Powdered's Sharpe Assassinated PK theory comes true I'll give SS a positive rating

[spark valve]

truly is shitslop

[foggy stratus]

Quick question, I don't want reasons or anything, but who's the objective best Old Heart?

[whole holly]

Wait powdered pioneered that
? I think I made that up as joke

[sinful nimbus]

Khann

[spark valve]

nyleth because she's related to something from a game with better worldbuilding

[sinful nimbus]

Yea Powdered was the goat

First real theorizer

[whole holly]

Voice of the generation

[sinful nimbus]

Even he got tired of silksong and left though smh

[foggy stratus]

Sharpe about to go fight PK(he's going to get flashed by the world's brightest flashlight then tossed into a lake):

[foggy stratus]

I didn't ask for a reason. Crucifixion upon thee.

[stray grove]

Sharpe no diffs PK with Lifeblood + Void Compression amp

[whole holly]

Nyleth and Green Prince it is hard to choose

[spark valve]

my legal team has advised I not make the joke I was going to

[sinful nimbus]

Green Prince but it could've and should've been Khann

[foggy stratus]

I wanna see the joke now.

[whole holly]

So star why do you predict In sea of sorrows

[stray grove]

Do you think we’ll fight compressed PK in a SS DLC

[foggy stratus]

Tf does compressed mean?

[spark valve]

atp they may as well angle for fun bad

[floral quiver]

Or PK isn't a perfect all powerful being and can be beaten and die from Void exposure

And the King is both stupid and reckless. You don't come up with his plans if you're a rational and safety minded individual.

A smart and safety minded person would take their followers and find somewhere else to settle that doesnt have an angry sun goddess moth.

[sinful nimbus]

Lifeblood infection is from Rad 2 3

[stray grove]

Didn’t ask

[foggy fractal]

karmelita

[sinful nimbus]

a smart person would come up with my plan 🗣️

[whole holly]

Yay

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway the plan sucks Rad exists in her vicims minds so she'd just move with them

[whole holly]

Stars theories are facts

[stray grove]

My plan of just uprooting my ENTIRE kingdom

[floral quiver]

Been done before

[tawdry flare]

crest of the beheaded!! they finally do their half of the dead cells crossover

[spark valve]

every time somebody tries to come up with an alternative to pk's plan it's utter dogshit and only reinforces that he took the only possible chance

[stray grove]

FACT: Wyrms actually have portable beacons PK just forgot his beacon transportation device back in Wyrm city and was too stupid and reckless to go back for it

[limpid summit]

Their followers would become mindless animals if they “took them somewhere else”

[tawdry flare]

wait is PK actually a cyborg

[sinful nimbus]

Can you guess where this is going

[whole holly]

I mean storyline is crafted in that way, you can’t expect better solution without changing lore fundamentally

[sinful nimbus]

I mean yeah

[stray grove]

Nah fr

[sinful nimbus]

"You can't make an eternal kingdom unless you're a smart and safety minded person who just came up with a good plan and saved the day"

[foggy fractal]

wait a second
deltarune tag... ❤️ RUNE... RUNES??? HOLLOW KNIGHT???

😨

[foggy stratus]

PK had foresight so to him the plan was the best option, he's not stupid he just misunderstood hwo Void worked, Radiance is a dream born creature who'd just follow them like an angry ex.

[whole holly]

PK is desperate and taking only chance he has

[stray grove]

“Why don’t we just take Bikini Bottom…”
“And move it somewhere else???!”

[limpid summit]

Patrick gif

[stray grove]

unironic Patrick gif moment finally

I’ve been waiting all day for this

You can do the honors Apple

[whole holly]

Shade Lord: Don’t forget I am with you in the dark

[foggy fractal]

HOLY AURA

🔥

[limpid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-s-patrick-patrick-star-bottle-dumb-gif-1741625486363070335

[stray grove]

The bottle head is my favorite one

[limpid summit]

Boosie fade

[whole holly]

Arguably storyline is about fact that eternal kingdom isn’t possible or realistic which kinda helps her point of PL being reckless

[foggy fractal]

why did tc copy nine sols

smh

[stray grove]

Larping is the reason this heart still beats

[foggy fractal]

w larps

[whole holly]

https://tenor.com/view/darknesser360-gif-16942037474792970798

Guys we shouldn’t argue too much about this

Let’s embrace Easter spirit

Happy Easter everyone

[foggy stratus]

Wasn't Easter like a week ago?

[whole holly]

Orthodox Christian Easter is today

[foggy stratus]

There's too many flavors of Christianity, man.

[whole holly]

Orthodox is original I guess, rest are knockoffs

[floral quiver]

His whole story is very Odinic. If his foresight was as perfect as implied "What good to foresee a demise unavoidable", then he knew all his desperate plans and scheming was for nought. In his hubris and vanity he tried to fight fate and inevitably failed. He enacted plans that he had seen come to nothing, hoping foolishly that they somehow wouldn't. Heroic he was, wise he was, but still a stupid fool because you can't fight fate.

[foggy stratus]

The Mushroom is saying that in retrospect. No where is it said or implied to get perfect.

[limpid summit]

The mushroom isn’t implying he actually did foresee his demise yeah

It’s saying that if he had what would be the point

It’s ambiguous

[whole holly]

He was trying to defeat nature but he could only buy time, TK defeating radiance is supposed to prove that everything has end even the radiance which embodies major force in hollow knight

[limpid summit]

TK goes beyond Vespa’s words though

Because Nature is Rad

But TK is now immortal under Void

[whole holly]

Wdym?

[limpid summit]

TK’s imprint isn’t going to deteriorate

Void is eternity potential that can deny Time

[whole holly]

I mean yeah but I feel like you misinterpreted it, void embodies end of everything, even radiance, TK unites it under its will

[limpid summit]

But the end that people assign to PK isn’t represented by Void

Void is above all that

It’s represented by Rad

That’s why Bardoon’s dialogue is important

We evolve beyond something as eternal as PK

[floral quiver]

Pk isn't ending it's stagnation. Stasis.

A kingdom who's tomorrow's are exactly like today down to the last detail up to infinity

[whole holly]

What? Can you word this better, void is end of radiance who is supposed to represent inevitable nature

[whole holly]

PK isn’t eternal though?

[foggy stratus]

He would have been had Radiance not pitched a bitch fit.

[whole holly]

I mean, how do we know that, Radiance represents inevitable nature, that’s not how it works, it is unrealistic to say that radiance would willingly wither away and stay forgotten even if according to seer it is only death that matters

[floral quiver]

She very much didnt even

[foggy stratus]

I meant as if circumstances were different so she didnt do that. Without the Radiance PK likely would have lasted forever. Or close to it.

[whole holly]

She took opportunity to stay alive she is almost as desperate as GMS in act 3

[whole holly]

I do think it would last long, about as long as Pharloom ideally

[foggy stratus]

Personally I think it'd last longer. Without a sleeping/dormant pissed off Higher Being it could go on for way longer.

Maybe they'd hit a speed bump if Pharloom tried to get Hornet/other Weavers from there.

[whole holly]

GMS had no competitor higher being that’s why I said it, she was able to rule really long, so would pale king

Pharloom lasted really long, only thing that predates it are old hearts lineage and community

And AC I guess

[foggy stratus]

My understanding was that GMS didnt actually rule the Citadel, that all happened after she was put to sleep.

[floral quiver]

Silk never directly ruled the Citadel, no.

[whole holly]

Sure sure but GMS had her kingdom for long time since weavers established it

Much older than Hallownest

I wonder if GMS and AC coexisted at some point

[floral quiver]

Glorious Hallownest being a relative backwater will always amuse me to no end. 😆

"Their metallurgy is astonishing!"

[whole holly]

Only one that could be worse is Land of Storms

[foggy stratus]

Land of Storms is undoubtedly more back water imo.

[whole holly]

Lands Serene and Steel City would be more advanced or thriving

IMO

[foggy stratus]

Also Hallownest isn't backwater compared to Pharloom. They have like 5x the amount of Higher Beings over Pharloom and four fully functioning and independent non-waring civilizations within the region alone. Pharloom has like three proper civilizations, a group of pissed off red necks(Stilkin) and a utterly destroyed kingdom in its borders with a single Higher Being. They're the backwater tbh.

[foggy fractal]

I wonder if we'll get to see forgehome and shakra's home in a dlc

[spark valve]

shakra's home is on the edge of pharloom and we are going there so maybe

[sinful nimbus]

Always bet on forgehome DLC

[near jasper]

Pharloom had clankers and hallownest had a decent kingdom

[whole holly]

Forgehome?

[whole holly]

True

[whole holly]

Garmonds too

[foggy fractal]

Sent from our Forgehome we were, at request of those holy bugs above.

By the Citadel's patronage, and our long duty upon these docks, our Forgehome would swell in holy esteem.

basically where forge daughter came from

[whole holly]

I feel like that’s below deep docks near weavenest atla, what do you guys think?

[foggy fractal]

too close to the abyss imo

I feel like its just another place somewhere at the edge of Pharloom

[whole holly]

Like where??

[foggy fractal]

to the right of weavenest cindril maybe seems like a big open area that could have inhabitents

[spark valve]

that's the weaver flight path it leads into the wastes

[foggy fractal]

oh right

[whole holly]

There is no choice but below 👇

[foggy fractal]

I mean theres always to the right but we'll have to see what sea of sorrow gives us

[whole holly]

Yeah

[foggy fractal]

anywhere below deepdocks also have a shit ton of lava and if you go deep enough to be safe from the lava you're just in the abyss now
actually there is a big stretch of lava filled caves we see from the escape sequence maybe they live in an area like that

[whole holly]

Maybe there are livable parts

[dull moss]

I don’t think Forgehome is in Pharloom

[lone swallow]

i think it is

[foggy fractal]

well the choir bugs did bring Hornet all the way to Pharloom so it isn't inconceivable that its just somewhere farther away

[foggy fractal]

living amongst the lava would be aura

[whole holly]

Lavabenders in Silksong

[foggy fractal]

lava higher being

tuff...

[whole holly]

Lord of Lava

[oblique dove]

hold up ive got a question about the knight in sotv. the reason why he coundt help hornet earlier was because he was stuck inside the everbloom????? Cuz right before he shows up the flower gets destroyed? That would answer why he didnt help, right??

[foggy fractal]

nah the everbloom Hornet got is a different everbloom

[pale narwhal]

the everbloom probably kept him away
repelling void and all

[near jasper]

Theres a chance the knight just wasnt there

[floral quiver]

Hallownest's glory was built on the backs of Maggots.

'Decent" for citizens.

[near jasper]

I mean its not like thats any better in pharloom

Hallownest is decent (in comparison to pharloom)

[foggy fractal]

yeah doesn't citadel have like a bunch of slaves or smth

[sinful nimbus]

why we talking like everything in Hallownest was built by slaves 😭

[floral quiver]

For citizens who aren't maggots.

Just like the Citadel is decent for citizens who arent underworkers

[stray grove]

Media literacy is dead

[sinful nimbus]

OK but underworks vs a journal entry saying one specific group of bugs was discriminated against is very different lmao

[floral quiver]

Because the menial labor was forced to be done by Maggots.

[foggy stratus]

Grass is green.

[spark valve]

Hollow Knight fans can't read

as long as we're stating obvious things

[near jasper]

Menderbug:

[foggy stratus]

Man, if only I could understand what this said...

[stray grove]

The Citadel was NOT “good” for everyone other than the Underworkers HOW is that what you took away from that

Genuinely like the opposite of the point

[sinful nimbus]

I mean yeah that too it was even bad for the Conductors

Not all billionaires!!

[near jasper]

Would you rather live in city of tears or the citadel

[foggy stratus]

City of Tears.

Hell I'd rather live there during the Infection than the Citadel anytime.

[stray grove]

The whole point of the Underworks is that it’s a microcosm of the citadel in general
Everyone was a slave, and slaves try to dominate other slaves who are weaker than them which extends from the bottom all the way up

[spark valve]

I mean no during the infection it's worse

[stray grove]

The Citadel was not a good place to live for literally anyone

The RULERS describe it as a burden and a yoke

Actual larp

[sinful nimbus]

Shoot Hallownest probably better place to live in than America atm

Take me there 🙏

[foggy stratus]

At least then I could try to resist the Møŧḥ and fight the infected. I can't fight the damn government.

[spark valve]

idk if any of us would fit in their infrastructure

[near jasper]

Miners:

[spark valve]

you can't really fight the endless hordes of zombie soldiers either

[stray grove]

The maggots being forced to do menial labor means they couldn’t get good jobs and shit

[foggy stratus]

"Fight well or die well"-Skyrim NPC

[stray grove]

It’s talking about systemic racism not institutionalized slavery

[sinful nimbus]

The Pale King, previously being a wyrm himself, would empathize with my plight, and with his generosity as infinite as his SOUL, would probably let me stay in like Kingdom's Edge or something idk

[foggy fractal]

verse eqalize we're now like this tall

[floral quiver]

So forced labor isn't slavery?

[stray grove]

You just can’t read it’s ok

[spark valve]

in that case yes take me there my glorious king

[gentle aspen]

You do know that hk characters are the size of dwarf stars yes

we’d fit

[foggy fractal]

would y'all rather live before the infection or after the infection in Hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

I mean Hegemol got around

[foggy stratus]

There's two ways to read the entry. The slavery interpretation, or the "they just couldn't get non-minial jobs" interpretation.

[foggy fractal]

wouldn't everything be too big in this case?

[stray grove]

The slavery interpretation is just wrong though

Where is this institution of maggot slavery you’re claiming exists

[spark valve]

long before, I guess after as in post HK where rad is just dead would also be ok

[gentle aspen]

I mean tbf there are several instances where forced labor isn’t slavery

[foggy fractal]

yeah after as in after radiance is killed by the knight

[gentle aspen]

back in my ye olden days I used to create critters that existed for the sole purpose of cleaning up my receptacles

[stray grove]

Dude there’s fuck all to do

[floral quiver]

Implied by the hunters journal and Hornet's reaction to the Underworks, wondering if her own kingdom had something similarly grim.

[urban ingot]

Guys I have a theory, when using the beast crest, when you bind, the screen turns red, and all the sound effects of angry hornet play as you atack. And when she stands still while using the beast crest bind she has an animation of rapid breathing to show that she's trying to breathe but due to her movement and energy she can't respire rapidly and causes her body to do anaerobic respiration which causes glucose to turn into lactic acid, maybe lactic acid in the hollow knight universe is red, and the red on her weapon is just that acid that deals extra damage, it might also be the esence of adrenaline, like her aura, but considering the large beast she binded to, the adrenaline theory is more likely

[spark valve]

bro had an alchemist arc

[stray grove]

You’d be like 1/6 of the population

[gentle aspen]

that’s not really implied and Hallownest isn’t her kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

Only guy you can talk to is Elderbug 🤢

[stray grove]

Hornet just says whatever shit pops into her head sometimes

[near jasper]

Hallownest is her kingdom

[spark valve]

hornet forgetting kingsmoulds exist 💀

[sinful nimbus]

There's no accounting for Team Cherry's amnesia

[floral quiver]

Hallownest very much is her kingdom. Her being a daughter of Hallownest is a major character beat.

[stray grove]

Nah I’m killing that mf immediately

[gentle aspen]

okay so

[spark valve]

also hornet accidentally doing a little genocidal rhetoric

[sinful nimbus]

Sly is just as bad and you couldn't take him

[gentle aspen]

The term “daughter of hallownest” is mostly a nod to her being the pale king’s child, as he is quite often equated to his kingdom

[foggy fractal]

I haven't seen this in a while
jolly good show my friend!

[stray grove]

Sly is chill

We’d get along

[sinful nimbus]

He hates the poor bruh

[foggy fractal]

how about cornifer is he still sleeping?

[stray grove]

Ok and?

[gentle aspen]

also like PK didn’t intend for it to be hers in any way and the only thing that seemingly marks Hallownest’s ruler is currently fused to the knight’s cast off shell

oh huh

[spark valve]

corny and iselda are prolly moving out

[stray grove]

That doesn’t make him “as bad” as Elderbug

[gentle aspen]

the knight has a cast off shell like their dad

[floral quiver]

She constantly compares Pharloom to Hallownest. Deep Docks metallurgy for example.

Unless you think she's talking about Deepnest?

[gentle aspen]

That’s neat

[near jasper]

I feel like citing the pale king when youre talking about not being scared of void doesnt make that much sense

[foggy fractal]

oh right iselda dream nail dialogue and all

[gentle aspen]

what?

[spark valve]

that line doesn't make any sense it's hot nonsense

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah he's not xenophobic he's just classist

[gentle aspen]

Aside from that line not being relevant to what I was talking about that line is bullshit anyways

[stray grove]

Elderbug is more than just a xenophobe he’s also an entitled prick

Racist grumpy old guy who lives in a backwater town

[gentle aspen]

that means you two have commonalities to commiserate over

[near jasper]

"But always, child, I remain a daughter of Hallownest. And the void below all things, that darkness I will fear no longer"

[gentle aspen]

the start of a fruitful relationship

[gentle aspen]

I know

[sinful nimbus]

And Sly is a cut-throat capitalist

[near jasper]

"A crude construct of my father's fallen domain. Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding."

[gentle aspen]

Yeah she’s PROJECTING

[stray grove]

Hornet is just saying shit

[gentle aspen]

whatever

[stray grove]

Hype moments and aura

[foggy fractal]

maybe the mantis tribe gets more area after rad is dead they seem to be doing pretty well even during the events of the game

[sinful nimbus]

tuff alert

[spark valve]

both of those lines are just stupid

[stray grove]

I remain a daughter of hallownest ahh line

tuff tuff

[spark valve]

this truly was my hollow knight silksong

[foggy fractal]

my name is hollow!

and my name is knight!

and I'm silksong!

[stray grove]

DLC leak

[foggy fractal]

TOGETHER WE'RE

[sinful nimbus]

Y'all remember when Xero said "But do not call me a traitor... Simply call me a fool that believes the void can be fashioned to do my bidding"

[gentle aspen]

what is this? Some kind of sea of sorrows?

[foggy fractal]

what are we?

[floral quiver]

It is relevent. Hornet considers herself of Hallownest. It is her kingdom she constantly brings up.

Her memories are of a short time in Deepnest, a short time in the Hive, and an extended conversation in the Pale Court, dressed in Hallownest courtly finery.

[near jasper]

I feel like hornet being defender of hallownest's corpse for like 500 years would consider hallownest her kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

You are the darkness, come to consume me, and that darkness I will fear no longer 🥶

[foggy fractal]

some sort of Hallow Nest???

[gentle aspen]

it’s not hers

[sinful nimbus]

Why tf is Hallownest relevant to that convo lmao

[foggy fractal]

holy aura

[sinful nimbus]

They just wanted to namedrop the song title

[gentle aspen]

Also like where do you even get the whole “short time in these two places”

we have zero reason to assume the time elapsed in each location

[stray grove]

For now I know, even gods can fall

[sinful nimbus]

The fire is gone!

[floral quiver]

Then why does she keep bringing it up like its hers? What other kingdom could she be talking about when she makes her comparisons?

[sinful nimbus]

Ultrakill prose so mid bruh

[gentle aspen]

She isn’t talking about the kingdom like its hers

[stray grove]

Do you remember when Bardoon said “union the first light may offer, and protection from the darkness that consumes our souls”

[gentle aspen]

she’s saying she hails from it

she literally knows she can’t claim the kingdom as hers lmao she talks about the king’s brand like it’s something she can’t obtain

[stray grove]

It’s because the KB represents PK’s sheer aura and her weaver blood makes it so her shell would just explode under that kind of pressure

[sinful nimbus]

Its cuz she's already gendered

The gendered child

How tf a girl supposed to become king

[gentle aspen]

You know who else is already gendered

[stray grove]

How TC felt calling Hornet that

[stray grove]

Your mom?

[foggy fractal]

You're mother?

[near jasper]

Hornet isnt owner of hallownest that wasnt the implication 😭

[gentle aspen]

No, Leodero.

[foggy fractal]

WHO???

[sinful nimbus]

ChatGPT generate me a title for my #girlboss

[spark valve]

generating... Karmelita

[lone folio]

Leonardo DiCaprio is pretty cool yeah

[stray grove]

ShamanGPT generate me a method to consume one of the pale kin with such insatiable efficiency

[sinful nimbus]

Skarrsinger is tuff

[gentle aspen]

you do not know ball

[floral quiver]

... not the one she rules. The one she considers herself intrinsically from. If you asked Hornet where she was from she would say she was from Hallownest.

It's her kingdom like someone's country is their country.

[gentle aspen]

erm deepnest isn’t apart of hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

Yep that's true

[stray grove]

Filthy Deepnestians trying to claim they’re from glorious Hallownest you love to see it

[sinful nimbus]

What's it gotta do with the convo tho

[gentle aspen]

ok Hornet

[spark valve]

"b-b-b-but geographically" 🤓

[near jasper]

Zote is most likely to be the next ruler of hallownest if the kings brand is left on the knights shell

[sinful nimbus]

Bloodbender Amon tf are you even talking about

[stray grove]

Not how the brand works

[gentle aspen]

I mean it would have to be branded on his skin and it’s clearly magical in some way

also zote’s too dumb to understand what that would entail even if it worked

[floral quiver]

And she very obviously considers herself more Hallownester than Deepnester.

She grew up mostly in Hallownest. She had the ear of the Queen, she guarded it in its death.

[stray grove]

There’s no limit to the larp

[gentle aspen]

again where are you getting this from

[sinful nimbus]

I mean she's literally the progeny of John Hallownest cmon

[gentle aspen]

yeah she guards hallownest in her death there’s a zombie virus going around

[sinful nimbus]

Its a perfectly reasonable title it just makes no sense in the moment and comes off corny asf

Even gods fall 🚬

[stray grove]

She was a bargaining chip, she was raised in Deepnest

Oh we’re talking about the title

[spark valve]

but she said the thing she said the thing

[stray grove]

Yeah obviously that’s fine

[floral quiver]

From paying attention to the narrative and themes and Hornet's character arc.

Her relationship with Hallownest the kingdom is a major part of her arc.

[stray grove]

The issue with the daughter of hallownest thing isn’t that it’s factually inaccurate

[gentle aspen]

Gang I’m talking about “mostly growing up in Hallownest” stuff

[near jasper]

I feel like hornet wouldnt stay long in deepnest theres nothing there really

[stray grove]

Yes

[sinful nimbus]

Me dreamnailing Traitor Lord and reading "Curse you, my Sisters of Battle!"

[stray grove]

Hornet probably knows jack shit about the kingdom

[foggy fractal]

HOLY AURA

[stray grove]

Certainly knows nothing about how it was run

[sinful nimbus]

mb bro I'm an SS fan why do you think I can read you expect too much

[stray grove]

I personally think the reason she muses about it being built on slave labour is because she can’t conceive of a society without them

[sinful nimbus]

Little Weavers were probably slaves in light of Silksong lets be fr

They aren't weavers they can't* reproduce

[spark valve]

the citadel basically had slaves for fun

[stray grove]

Hornet likes to act like she knows about shit she’s completely ignorant about

[sinful nimbus]

This is an intended character flaw

[stray grove]

“I don’t even eat”
“Lmao this shit disgusting nobody sane would eat this”

Lugoli was a GOOD chef

[floral quiver]

She grew up when the Kingdom was still extent. She has memories of courtly life, including standing at the foot of the queen.

One of her major memories is being in Hallownest's court.

[near jasper]

Citadel putting a single person to run the waste system for funsies

[sinful nimbus]

Average SilksongFan.

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah
I think the argument from powdered was that there was nothing wrong with it given that its just very hard for weavers to reproduce not impossible

what do we think

[spark valve]

do we have to do this again

[sinful nimbus]

Very hard but they're like a generic enemy in Deepnest

[dull moss]

Where are you getting that from? She clearly believed Hallownest to be a society without slavery before her forced introspection

[sinful nimbus]

With Herrah needing to mate with the Godking to conceive one

[foggy fractal]

yeah I feel like if they had that much children actually there would've been some sort of mention of it

alas

maybe we'll get an explanation in a dlc

[sinful nimbus]

At the very least in like Eva's dialogue yeah

[near jasper]

Hardbone hoppers probably taste really good

[stray grove]

Why did TC take a chef character who managed to make his way in the world from small beginnings and was by all accounts great at what he did only to be unfairly cast out by a system that was always set up for him to fail
and then make him a fucking cannibal lmao

[spark valve]

why did they make a group of enslaved bugs and then have hornet talk about how their filthy kind should be eradicated

[near jasper]

For the love of the game

[stray grove]

Hornet dissing his life’s work is just the nail in the coffin

[floral quiver]

Her whole thing in that entry was basically "This is terrible! Shit, was my Kingdom built on this and I just didn't notice?"

[sinful nimbus]

This is fanfiction you can't be mad when its wrong bruh

[stray grove]

Uhm that’s an intended character flaw

[spark valve]

that isn't examined challenged or punished ie a neutral character trait at worst

[stray grove]

Fuck you it’s not fanfiction you would NEVER understand

I’m a Lugoli truther

But literally all of what I said is probably canon

The only assumption I made was about the nature of his crime which sounds like it was a bs made up crime anyway

If it was serious he’d get slabbed or executed

[sinful nimbus]

Bro resonates with a character that was unfairly banished

[spark valve]

he got banned for culinary crimes not like murder

[near jasper]

If lugoli's only ingredient wasnt muck maggot hed make good food

[stray grove]

Which sounds like bullshit

[sinful nimbus]

Cannibalism is a crime of a culinary nature

[stray grove]

He was by all accounts a great chef

[floral quiver]

Who's accounts?

[stray grove]

Dude they wouldn’t just tell him to leave if he was killing an eating people

He’d get slabbed

[sinful nimbus]

He was prolly rich

[stray grove]

Everyone except Hornet says his food was great

[stray grove]

??? The fuck

[sinful nimbus]

Could get away with eating a choir member or two

[spark valve]

Seek out a Pickled Muckmaggot, the sacred treat revered and reviled for its intensity. It was a specialty of the chef Lugoli, long ago banished for culinary sacrilege.

Rumours sing that the great chef retreated to their home-caves in the dank midlands below...
he is regarded as a great chef still so like yeah

[near jasper]

The citadel sent people to the slab for being sick if lugoli made food bad enough to get a single person sick he'd be dying with old penitent

[stray grove]

Sorry I’M the one writing fanfiction

[sinful nimbus]

Why would an esteemed legendary Citadel chef not be rich

[stray grove]

Because they were probably racist

[sinful nimbus]

Holy confirmation bias

[stray grove]

I mean does he look rich

[floral quiver]

Not now

[sinful nimbus]

That's his banished garb

[stray grove]

Why didn’t he take the enormous wealth you claim he amassed and do something with it

[near jasper]

Its weird theres no shops in the citadel outside the pinshop and those silk machines what are they using so much money on

[stray grove]

He just went back to his old job

[floral quiver]

But then riches to rags is a common story

[stray grove]

Where’s all the money Star

Where is it

[sinful nimbus]

Can you read I said he used it to get out of jail

[stray grove]

Sorry who’s writing fanfic

[near jasper]

Michael

[foggy fractal]

grindle probably stole the money

who?

[stray grove]

Also you’re now saying they confiscated all of his shit when they banished him

Which is probably true

[sinful nimbus]

?? he's a cannibal that's the only assumption that lines up with what we see

[stray grove]

HE WASN’T A CANNIBAL

[sinful nimbus]

Just say you want him to be your self insert

[stray grove]

He’s my spirit animal

[proud mulch]

yes please send it, always send acmi footage

[near jasper]

I feel like if lugoli did something really bad like canibalism he'd be in the slab not banished

[dull moss]

Reading this channel makes me feel like I’ve gone insane

[stray grove]

Right??????

[near jasper]

You have

[gentle aspen]

maybe his shit was just that bussing

[sinful nimbus]

OK but he was eating people this is like a fact

[near jasper]

Silksong isnt out

Wake up

Wake up

[sinful nimbus]

Stop begging the question he was banned for being evil

[spark valve]

bro HE LITERALLY HAS CORPSES IN JARS

[stray grove]

I hate it I hate it I hate it
Yes TC decided to randomly make him a cannibal but we don’t know when that started and have reason to believe it wasn’t prior to his banishment

[gentle aspen]

“Randomly”

?????

[dull moss]

That’s almost preferable to the current state of #sk-lore

[gentle aspen]

are you stupid

[spark valve]

at least there's like an ideology behind his cannibalism

[stray grove]

I’m not denying that he became a cannibal eventually even though I hate it

[gentle aspen]

he has an ideology???

[stray grove]

But I don’t think he was doing that shit in the citadel

[gentle aspen]

Bro I thought people just tasted good

[stray grove]

Which is what Star was claiming

No he was doing it to preserve them

I think he’s genuinely lost the plot

[gentle aspen]

yeah, in my fucking tummy

[proud mulch]

please send it

[stray grove]

He’s haunted etc

[gentle aspen]

I mean

their tummy

[spark valve]

"This holy taste...
Shells to soak... and define...
Pharloom's flavour...
Pharloom's soul...
Preserved... remembered...
From you all...
For you all...
Essence... true essence..."

[gentle aspen]

so yeah people taste good tl;dr

[near jasper]

If sickness can get people sent to the slab canibalism can too

[stray grove]

Tammo you agree with me right I feel like I’ve gone insane

[near jasper]

Karak probably make a good spice blend

[gentle aspen]

“Oh it’s to distill and remember pharloom’s truth and essence” gang I remember how good that truffle burger in hawaii was

[spark valve]

I mean it's lame that it's true

[stray grove]

I mean the part about him eating people while still in the citadel

[foggy fractal]

y'know what else is lame but true

[near jasper]

Zoteboat wont release before 2030

[spark valve]

yeah I don't think he was doing that then necessarily

[stray grove]

Surely that would’ve resulted in a more serious punishment isn’t dying kind of super illegal

[foggy fractal]

psh its not gonna release till 2040 dawg

[stray grove]

Or maybe he was such a great chef he could eat people without killing them

[foggy fractal]

insert scratching head emoji

[spark valve]

least unethical citadel practice

[stray grove]

At least now we know what penance by swallowing means

[near jasper]

If lugoli had other ingredients outside human and roach sinners road food would taste incredible

[gentle aspen]

literally any chef worth their salt can do this

[spark valve]

he was cooking muckmaggots before exile that was a choice

[near jasper]

Yeah

[stray grove]

His muckmaggot was fire

It’s basically like a spicy pepper

But I have to imagine he was adept at cooking a large variety of dishes

[spark valve]

revered and reviled

revered and reviled is the best line in ss

[gentle aspen]

wrong

[stray grove]

Silksong despite having a chef boss and the entire gourmand sidequest unfortunately doesn’t give us very good food lore

My goat Hunter would be writing pages about Lugoli’s dishes

[gentle aspen]

hornet doesn’t need to eat

why would she have food lore

[stray grove]

Hornet just goes “ts sucks ass lmao who tf eating this”

[stray grove]

It’s yet another reason why she sucks

[near jasper]

Nuu can you come back next act I wanna know what you found out about the tastes of pharloom's bugs

[foggy fractal]

then what is the best line?

[spark valve]

if hunter was around we'd get more than paper thin superficial observations in journal entries

[stray grove]

Hunter’s musings were also actually interesting

[near jasper]

Bro i had to check if one of the entries was duplicated on my playthrough

[spark valve]

but no in ss all you get are hornet's two braincells bouncing around

[gentle aspen]

well yeah, he was piecing together something after it had long since deteriorated and his outlook on the world and life colored it

[stray grove]

Hornet’s are “I want to kill slaves” or “I wonder if Hallownest was built by slaves” or “my dad sucks” or “before long all of Pharloom will fall to this thing I was complicit in the spread of” or “fluffy”

[gentle aspen]

and yet Hornet should do even more having a literal malleable soul but whatever

maybe tc is sexist and think women only care about fighting fluffy things and saying things about slaves

[near jasper]

Guess which enemies these are from
"Theirs seems a sad, grueling task, serving their lifetime for a Citadel unseen."
"These bugs look to have spent every waking moment at their work. Grim, endless labour in service of the unseen Citadel above."

[stray grove]

A lot of her entries are also just her describing the creature

Or this shit

Every entry reads the exact same

[spark valve]

the reason her entries are lamer compared to hk is that in hk the hunter has his own unique interactions with shit offscreen whereas in ss she just looks at and stabs things that's it

[gentle aspen]

like hornet never gets high off of mossberry fumes

[stray grove]

Hunter is also just a more interesting character than her

[gentle aspen]

what were they thinking

[stray grove]

If Hornet had more going on she could also have interesting observations to write down

[gentle aspen]

she can’t even get drunk on flea brew

[stray grove]

Or better shit to muse about

[gentle aspen]

or whatever shit creige sells us

[stray grove]

Hunter was a philosopher fr

[near jasper]

Did you guys knows theres a reference in the wiki called creige infanticide

[stray grove]

What

[near jasper]

:)

[stray grove]

Never mind forget I asked

[limpid summit]

I wish Gurr had a better connection to the oppression thread of the mottled Skarr

He’s just sort of there and mottled

[gentle aspen]

“Oppression thread”

[stray grove]

Don’t say that name

[near jasper]

How Hornet Hornet felt calling the etheral flying pure white glowing Specter "not a bug"

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[gentle aspen]

who cares bruh they don’t like the ones that “look weird”

[near jasper]

Peak journal entry

[gentle aspen]

not a thread bruh its seasoning

[limpid summit]

Karmelita united them

In her absence strife and prejudice flourished

There’s a thread

[stray grove]

You’re cooking twin

[limpid summit]

But will Gurr be able to take the mantle

[stray grove]

To really tie everything together they should’ve made Karm’s royal guard mottled

[limpid summit]

Evidently he was testing himself against Hornet to be an emancipator

[limpid summit]

True

One of the last claws

[gentle aspen]

Wow bro really

Thats insane

Go read a book

Dork

[stray grove]

I think Karmelita was racist too actually

[spark valve]

petrine ahh

[limpid summit]

Dude I’m watching a play it’s intermission

[stray grove]

There are no mottled skarr in the arena

[spark valve]

NERD

[limpid summit]

Are there for real

Not

[stray grove]

Larp

[graceful grail]

The molting seems to happen to scar that arent haunted. Either the molting is a affliction that turns silk back to soul or smthn, or it is what happens when you take the silk out of you somehow.

[stray grove]

Karm riding a small Wyrm

[near jasper]

Hornets journal entries are flatter than the og

[candid tulip]

Zote the mighty

[near jasper]

Do you mean mottling

[limpid summit]

Is it some bs about racism reinforcing their will

Some shit Gojo would say to Miguel

[graceful grail]

Yes, is molting the cause of them not being haunted. Or did the ants do something to not be haunted and the molting is a side effect??

[near jasper]

"seth was a good fighter and honorable" yeah bitch how do you think you get chosen to be the guardian for a holy shrine

[graceful grail]

The molted skar have NO silk in them. You can tell from Gurrs death animation. Only soul in there.

[stray grove]

What is his job even

[sinful nimbus]

was he really he just kills people for no reason

[near jasper]

Guard

[graceful grail]

Protect the Shrine

[stray grove]

What is he guarding

From what

[graceful grail]

Did you see the bodys around him??

[stray grove]

He’s protecting a shrine the citadel built from the citadel there’s nothing of value there

[lone folio]

He protects the shrine from the citadel

[stray grove]

mf the citadel built it

[sinful nimbus]

tf does the citadel want

[spark valve]

kill all the churchgoers

[sinful nimbus]

Bro's stuck in rewrite hell

[stray grove]

He’s genuinely just preventing people from using the shrine for its intended purpose

[sinful nimbus]

Many such cases

[near jasper]

I feel like if youre leaving something in the middle of the forest you might need someone to keep it safe

[stray grove]

He tells Hornet he attacks anyone who approaches it doesn’t even matter what their intent is

[spark valve]

from you?

[sinful nimbus]

Seth is doing a little more than that he just kills anyone who wants to visit

[near jasper]

Yes

[stray grove]

We'd heard the Citadel once made grudging accord with that creature, sent their servants in reverence, even built a shrine up there somewhere.

[spark valve]

you would build a shrine to pay respects to a deity then appoint somebody to murder you the moment you try to go to pay your respects

[stray grove]

The shrine’s intended purpose is literally so pilgrims can pay their respects to Nyleth

They built it not anyone in Shellwood

[floral quiver]

So what should she say about a fellow warrior she doesn't know who fought a fair and honorable duel while giving her an actual fight?

[stray grove]

Seth randomly showed up one day and said nah we’re not doing that anymore

And now he just kills anyone who approaches

[graceful grail]

Those are specifically the guys in the memorium. Maybe they wanted to move the shrine there and seth wasnt having it

[near jasper]

Cant the citadel husks be after the infection

[sinful nimbus]

Is this guy even affiliated with the Citadel

[stray grove]

I’d assume not

[sinful nimbus]

He might've just shown up one day looking to kill people ngl

[near jasper]

No

[stray grove]

I genuinely don’t know what his deal is

[near jasper]

Probably just nyleth

[spark valve]

he says anyone who wants to get past has to beat him in a fight period that's the policy

[sinful nimbus]

Late stage dementia

[stray grove]

Why does Nyleth care so much about protecting this citadel shrine

[near jasper]

Who the fuck is going there

[stray grove]

Why did she hire this guy

[near jasper]

Outside the haunted

[spark valve]

We'd heard the Citadel once made grudging accord with that creature, sent their servants in reverence, even built a shrine up there somewhere.

that is the WHOLE POINT of the shrine

[stray grove]

I already sent this snail

[graceful grail]

Maybe she needs to be remembered to live. The radiance needs to be to so that is in this universe ig

[spark valve]

yeah but clearly nobody read it

[sinful nimbus]

I didn't read it either tbf who has encountered this dialogue in their playthrough

[stray grove]

There’s no reason to even attack the shrine

[sinful nimbus]

Team Cherry evidently didn't read it either

[stray grove]

There’s nothing there

[sinful nimbus]

Its like the PV dreamnail dialogue it just showed up on their computer one day

[spark valve]

rewrite hell

[near jasper]

"Sacred seeds..." Apparently

[stray grove]

Genuinely why does anyone care why would the memorium care about attacking it why does Nyleth care about protecting it she didn’t build it

[graceful grail]

The Memorium guys are dead around seth, maybe they wanted the shrine for something

[sinful nimbus]

for something 😭

[stray grove]

For what there is literally nothing that would be valuable to them there

[graceful grail]

The Heart

[near jasper]

Yeah

[stray grove]

Me when I want to use a shrine for its intended purpose but this random gatekeeper says I have to fight him to the death first

[stray grove]

????

[near jasper]

Bro who is using it for its intended purpose

[graceful grail]

The old heart of nyleth

[sinful nimbus]

Nyleth foresight nyleth foresight

[spark valve]

just simply not true btw

[stray grove]

Why would the memorium want Nyleth’s heart how would they even get it

Do they have elegy of the deep

[spark valve]

there aren't memoria there

[near jasper]

Theres one

Maybe

[sinful nimbus]

they wanted the flowers

[spark valve]

it's just assorted choir bugs

[sinful nimbus]

for Lace's random flower field

[stray grove]

If the citadel wanted hearts they’d have taken Khann’s or GP’s lmao

[sinful nimbus]

tf were people theorizing about that place before release doing

[stray grove]

Me when I make shit up

The shrine’s intended purpose is explicitly so pilgrims can pay their respects and Seth explicitly tells us he won’t let ANYONE pass

Why? Nobody fucking knows

[near jasper]

what pilgrims are paying respects anymore

[stray grove]

There’s no reason for him to be protecting it or for anyone to attack it

[sinful nimbus]

I know

[spark valve]

I mean from the stuff available you would assume they were important or their existence would be acknowledged whatsoever

[near jasper]

No one knows nyleth exists anymore no one will pay respects

[stray grove]

Apparently Seth is just a murder hobo and Nyleth decided it would be a good idea to hire him

[sinful nimbus]

I saw a theory that they were GMS's first attempts at silk life do that fr

[stray grove]

We just saying shit now

Even if this is true why would anyone attack it why would it need a protector

[sinful nimbus]

But yeah definitely the most striking visual of the prerelease material

[stray grove]

It’s a CITADEL SHRINE

[spark valve]

this doesn't matter his role would make him kill anyone coming to pay respects which is the primary purpose of the shrine

[near jasper]

I mean grindle exists

[stray grove]

…

[floral quiver]

Because it's a shrine to her glory. Why would she defend it? So that it can't potentially be desecrated.

Not all shrines are intended to be visited or pilgrimed to.

[stray grove]

Ok but this one was

People genuinely can’t read