sk-lore

[terse warren]

Silkshot

[spark valve]

void interfering with sensory abilities is a thing

[whole holly]

compared to Weaversong is lame asf

[swift needle]

Cogwork flys?

[whole holly]

where is that last weaver in hallownest and why. wasn't she captured?

[swift needle]

Wdym last weaver?

Mid wife?

[stray grove]

There’s one in Weaver’s Den

[swift needle]

Where?

[whole holly]

one that runs away from knight in weavers den

[whole holly]

not weaver made, hornet just used design to craft it

[swift needle]

Oh yaa

Well

Maybe she wasn't important to gma

And she only wanted hornet

[stray grove]

No

[stray fog]

Gms wouldn't pass on a pure weaver

[whole holly]

she even wants half weavers and quarter part weavers

[spark valve]

the hallownest weavers went back to pharloom probably unaware of the state of things, that weaver went back too

[swift needle]

There's only a choral commandment about hornets capture

Maybe tc js forgot

[whole holly]

how do we know that?

[swift needle]

I think this is retconed

[stray grove]

It’s less that they forgot and more that they completely disregarded the HK Weaver lore

It’s not retconned

[stray fog]

The last weaver being dead during skong is a better explanation imo

[stray grove]

It just didn’t get followed up on

[whole holly]

that somewhat seems to be case

[swift needle]

Ya

[stray grove]

I mean we don’t know what happened to them

[spark valve]

it's dead that doesn't make it a retcon

[swift needle]

Also where tf did the weavers build the submarine from bro 😭

[spark valve]

either the weavers in hallownest died en route or in pharloom

[stray fog]

Im not saying that its a retcon

[whole holly]

i don't know why some are saying last hallownest weaver went back too, how do we know that?

[stray grove]

We just know they left Hallownest to return to their old home either they died on the journey back or died in Pharloom but it doesn’t really matter there’s no trace of them

[marble oasis]

She tripped and smashed her big fucking head immediately after leaving the den

[stray grove]

Bad writing isn’t a retcon sadly

[stray fog]

I guess in another weavenest of theirs

[spark valve]

the only possibility that has any consequence would be if they arrived back in pharloom during weaver's reign over the citadel

[whole holly]

i want so see traces though

[stray grove]

Well too bad

TC didn’t want to follow up on it and they’re never going to

[whole holly]

i don't think last weaver went back, i doubt it

[stray grove]

Why would she stay in Hallownest

There’s nothing there

[whole holly]

why would she go late in first place? why did she stay in first place

[stray grove]

But ultimately whether or not she went back is inconsequential who cares

[whole holly]

same whatever reason she hasn't already departed with other weavers

[cedar skiff]

widow being a hallownest weaver would be cool but isnt it strongly she just stayed

[stray grove]

Weaver explicitly stayed

[cedar skiff]

also damn that would also mean weavers do have a long ass lifespan lol

[spark valve]

widow is abnormal

[stray grove]

Well Widow lived longer than the rest of them

[cedar skiff]

i think her condition and having access to gms silk definitely adds into it

[stray grove]

She wasn’t using her lifeforce to cast spells and shit

[stray grove]

She was probably in the process of leaving

There’s literally nothing to keep her in Hallownest and we’re explicitly told the Weavers wove a song of farewell prior to heading off

[whole holly]

yeah but only one, she is outlier, team cherry is gonna leave it ambiguous

[spark valve]

surely tc gives you a charm saying they're leaving and then shows you one leaving immediately afterwards because that one isn't leaving

[stray grove]

She was the last one to leave not the only one to leave

[whole holly]

it doesn't seem like she was leaving, she is was late for whatever reason, plus we don't have timeline for Weavers leaving

[stray grove]

We literally see her leave what are you on about

[whole holly]

she is only one residing in hallownest?

[gentle aspen]

You just contradicted yourself

[whole holly]

we see her disappear

[gentle aspen]

“It doesn’t seem like she was leaving, she was late for whatever reason”

What would she be late for in that case

[stray grove]

Yeah surely she just disappeared back into Deepnest whole lot going on there mate

[whole holly]

she stayed late for whatever reason, if we consider fact that they are right

[stray grove]

Everyone else left but she stayed behind just because she couldn’t get enough of the infection

Good on her

[whole holly]

why was she there in first place? why didn't she leave in first place? why do we see her in first place?

[stray grove]

She did leave “in the first place” we see her leave lmao

She was just the last one out

[limpid summit]

Maybe to see Hornet get Weaversong

There could be any number of reasons really

[stray fog]

Maybe she had a duty

[whole holly]

to where? do we have route to pharloom? that we see her walk?

[stray grove]

[whole holly]

she just retreated in opposing direction to knight

[limpid summit]

The Weavers followed paths from Pharloom to other kingdoms

[stray fog]

How would we see her walk across the wastes though

[limpid summit]

They could retread those same paths

[stray fog]

The knight had shit to do

[whole holly]

we don't have to see it, it is questioning assumption

[stray grove]

Why would we get a charm saying the weavers left only to immediately see what you’re claiming is the one exception

That’s absurd

[spark valve]

it's almost like it's bait

[whole holly]

if there could be any number of reasons but there isn't reason weaver would stay?

[stray grove]

I don’t think it’s bait

[gentle aspen]

what reason would they have to stay

[limpid summit]

Not really

[gentle aspen]

what purpose does staying serve

[limpid summit]

Why would they stay in a kingdom where everyone is dead their queen is asleep and their children(?) are all infected

[gentle aspen]

We’re told the weavers left for their old home and we see one leave

[limpid summit]

There’s nothing she could have done

[whole holly]

i don't know but we see her present

[stray grove]

Hanlon’s razor is something (Joker isn’t mod he can’t mute me)

[stray fog]

First she has to get out of hallownest.

[whole holly]

Weaversong was left by weavers who already departed

[stray grove]

Bro didn’t play Silksong

[gentle aspen]

I can delete your messages though

[gentle aspen]

well they weren’t aware of pharloom’s issues

[spark valve]

the weavers don't know any of that shit is happening as far as they know pharloom is fine

[whole holly]

i don't think Pharloom was in her direction, correct me if i am wrong but isn't it east of hallownest?

[stray grove]

That was in reference to the little weavers comment

[whole holly]

reason they left was because of pharloom wasn't fine

[stray grove]

No

They left to escape GMS

[gentle aspen]

They left to escape mom

[stray fog]

To go to school, I don't drive in a perfect straight line from my houee

[stray grove]

But post infection they may have considered that actually at least GMS gives them protection and stability

[marble oasis]

we don’t know that

[limpid summit]

What

[gentle aspen]

We don’t know anything about it in relation to Hallownest

[whole holly]

and that requires assuming GMS is dead

[spark valve]

'we want independence so we're running away'
'oh god oh fuck shit's bad out there'

[whole holly]

lol

[limpid summit]

I think that makes the weavers seem naive lmao

[stray grove]

What what

GMS was preferable to the infection

[limpid summit]

If they had to stay in a dying kingdom that was not their home vs going back to the other Weavers who might have found a way

[sinful nimbus]

Are we still in denial about the obvious retcon

[stray grove]

And probably to the uncertainty of trying to set up shop again in a different kingdom

It’s not a retcon it’s just bad writing

[limpid summit]

I don’t think they were going back to accept GMS’s rule

That would be ridiculous

[sinful nimbus]

Retcon would be preferable

[stray fog]

Same

[marble oasis]

They brought a Vessel this time

[sinful nimbus]

I'm making the charitable assumption here

[stray grove]

They were desperate and idk how that’s ridiculous

[gentle aspen]

not particularly

[stray grove]

It’s not like they had any other option

[sinful nimbus]

Well it makes more sense

[gentle aspen]

shit mom vs zombie virus bro

[limpid summit]

Yes one is preferable

[whole holly]

point of discussion changed, though, a lot, originally it was about one weaver in hallownest when rest already left, so honestly maybe timeline of them leaving and weaver escaping from knight close, why was she there in first place ? who knows but maybe she left afterwards of doing whatever she needed to do, which she abandoned after seeing knight?

[limpid summit]

This doesn’t mean they would just go back and bow down

[stray grove]

What other option did they have lmao

For all they knew GMS was still in power

[limpid summit]

They were probably hoping that the other Weavers were still around or had done something

[spark valve]

that group's frame of reference is bad mom or instant death they might not have wanted to be under gms forever but like

[stray grove]

What were they gonna do, fight her?

Be fr

Maybe in time they’d have started scheming

[gentle aspen]

we don’t know? Doesn’t particularly matter? Maybe she overslept
maybe she wanted to see someone take weaversong
maybe they were doing upkeep

[marble oasis]

*slow, burning death

[gentle aspen]

The reasoning doesn’t really matter

[stray grove]

Begging the question

Nika please

[whole holly]

i mean, reasoning doesn't matter we can just assume that?

[limpid summit]

Didn’t somebody tell you this was an all pale party

[whole holly]

i beg you to answer how can we assert something as fact and say reasoning doesn't matter?

[limpid summit]

The weavers learned a lot from from their experiences in Hallownest

[stray grove]

Because it doesn’t

[limpid summit]

I think they were likely scheming

[whole holly]

ain't no party like pale party

[limpid summit]

They wouldn’t have gone back to GMS ready to be subservient

[marble oasis]

Because why it happened doesn’t matter what matters is that it happened

[spark valve]

they may have just joined the citadel

depends on when they got back

[stray grove]

What are you yapping about bro

[limpid summit]

I would be surprised if SS was that long age r

[whole holly]

but how do we know it is fact though? just say it is presumption or theory, which you aren't supposed to force unto others

[gentle aspen]

yes, you can
the reason they stayed isn’t impodtant because the importance is “they left”

[limpid summit]

No I really don’t understand what you’re getting at

[stray grove]

They thought GMS was still the one in power so their “plan” was just to go back to mom

[spark valve]

if they got back pre citadel, could've continued to be involved in shit
if they got back during weaver reign in citadel, could've joined it
if they got back after that they probably got harvested

[whole holly]

how do we know that if we got no proof?

[gentle aspen]

proof of WHAT

[whole holly]

they left the room, sure

[marble oasis]

We know a Weaver was there because we see her?

[gentle aspen]

what do you NEED proof of

[limpid summit]

It’s a dumb retcon so there’s no real reason but you think they saw Hallownest falling around them because a pale being’s plan failed and their idea was to go back to the other one they already hated

[stray grove]

This Nika jus yapping

[limpid summit]

There’s no way they didn’t have some form of rebellion in mind

[marble oasis]

yes

[limpid summit]

That is stupid

[marble oasis]

i mean i don’t but i think kirb does

[spark valve]

nobody's saying they didn't have longer term plans just that gms would've looked better in the short term lol

[limpid summit]

Yeah thats why they left

[stray grove]

What do pale beings have to do with this

[whole holly]

proof of Weaver in Hallownest who after not leaving before seeing knight, joining rest of weavers on her journey

[gentle aspen]

why do you need proof of that

[limpid summit]

You were framing it as “outside world bad we need to be safe with our mom”

[gentle aspen]

We are explicitly told that is what the weavers did

[stray grove]

I think that we don’t have to call every instance of bad writing a retcon, it sucks that there was no follow up on the HK Weaver stuff but nothing in SS contradicts that either

It makes sense for them to prefer GMS over the zombie mind plague or the uncertainty of trying again in a potentially hostile or dangerous land

[marble oasis]

personally i think they thought shit had been figured out by then

[spark valve]

their numbers also would've been considerably diminished by the zombie plague

[whole holly]

i clarified multiple times on how can we ascertain that she left in direction of pharloom to weavers journey, which requires many unfounded assumptions, like seeing hornet get weaversong? she overslept? why did sight of knight interrupt it?

[marble oasis]

they left a number of weavers in pharloom so maybe they got something done

[gentle aspen]

we don’t need to ascertain anything

[spark valve]

they knew the other weavenests were also scheming but didn't want any part in it

[stray grove]

That would just be wishful thinking but sure maybe they considered the possibility that someone had dealt with her

[gentle aspen]

We are told weavers left to go to their old home

[stray grove]

Wouldn’t have changed the outcome regardless

[whole holly]

to know that one weaver in hallownest was just late to journey back to pharloom, which requires assumptions

[limpid summit]

No memes

[gentle aspen]

Alumni abuse

[stray grove]

Dude… what the fuck…

[marble oasis]

Well well well, looks like murglin’s ideas aren’t so ridiculous after all

[limpid summit]

I thought you said rapping…

Weavenest Karn sitting around doing nothing

The uncle ruckuses

[gentle aspen]

Not really? That is what we see happen bruh

[spark valve]

murglin was stupid but given widow might have been able to prolong weaver lifespans

they probably weren't going to kill gms with guns

[whole holly]

guys you asserted it as fact, when i found flaws as reasoning you saying reasoning doesn't matter.

[stray grove]

I mean yeah maybe if they’d stopped casting spells using their own lifeforce they’d have lived longer

[marble oasis]

Oh no
No, this can’t be
This says I’m 102% Pharlid with a 2% margin of error

[gentle aspen]

You didn’t find flaws

You asserted baseless conclusions

[stray grove]

Called us (pale) children… called us divine…

[whole holly]

oh right, i remember seeing cutscene of her joining other weavers who said we are going back to pharloom

[limpid summit]

Bait

[stray grove]

This Nika gotta be trolling atp

[spark valve]

🐌

[stray grove]

No more Hanlon’s razor

[gentle aspen]

to be frank if you need explicit confirmation this game series isn’t for you

[whole holly]

right baseless conclusion is when you ask how can we be sure she left

[limpid summit]

To be frank you’ve got no furter to go

[stray grove]

Wow elitism

[gentle aspen]

WE SEE HE RLEAVE

[stray grove]

Bro got rage baited

[spark valve]

dude some people are just genuinely not worth it

[marble oasis]

Joker’s worth it man don’t say that

[whole holly]

this isn't criticism of game, it is criticism of treating one weaver who left the room as explicitly going to pharloom as fact, we only see her leave the room

[spark valve]

stupid blue name thinks he's so much better than everyone else

[marble oasis]

where else would she go

[pale narwhal]

was it ever actually said in hollow knight that the weavers went back? or just that they left hallownest

[gentle aspen]

I’ve ascended
I refuse to continue this conversation

[limpid summit]

In the weaversong charm description yeah

[spark valve]

departed hallownest for their old home

[gentle aspen]

yes

[marble oasis]

They left Hallownest for their “old home”

[whole holly]

you can say she most likely left for pharloom

[random harbor]

Charm: Weaversong

Silken charm containing a song of farewell, left by the Weavers who departed Hallownest for their old home.

Summons weaverlings to give the lonely bearer some companionship and protection.

@tammo6424 used /charms category: L-W charm: Weaversong

[limpid summit]

And you can say Hegemol might be alive

[stray grove]

@whole holly what happened man

[limpid summit]

Possibilities are there but some are worth less entertainment

[whole holly]

which existed simultaneously in hallownest with her

[limpid summit]

Look at those who worship you

They’re made in your image

[whole holly]

whats wrong with your font?

[stray grove]

Wait spirit of STAR?????

[whole holly]

why is it so thin?

[pale narwhal]

right
i hoped the specific phrasing would shine some more light but i guess not

[stray grove]

@gentle aspen meme in lore

[marble oasis]

You are not the blueprint bro

[stray grove]

Shut up

[marble oasis]

Stop this silly action henceforth

[stray fog]

Lore mfs when they see people having fun

[whole holly]

you also posted low effort edited comment, so, chop chop kirbbean

[stray grove]

Edited?

[marble oasis]

Joker you are going on the list

[stray grove]

#hk-lore message holy denial

[gentle aspen]

damn

[stray grove]

I take it back

[marble oasis]

Oh so you’re an important asset to that channel

Not this one

[stray grove]

We DON’T appreciate having you here, good riddance

[limpid summit]

Aged relic

Important asset to HK lore

Not even dude

[gentle aspen]

So important he was banned for over a year

[limpid summit]

Guess who figured out Myla’s song

[stray grove]

You can’t kill an idea.

[spark valve]

all he needs is a dream nail and then he literally can

[whole holly]

makes sense, you are type to crop comments from 2023 fore validation, and keep it forever

[sinful nimbus]

idk why he was unbanned if he acts like this

[stray grove]

Yeah I suppose he’s already Void

[marble oasis]

i think he just went looking at your message history man

[stray grove]

No I actually printed off that specific message and hung it up on my wall

[marble oasis]

You would

[whole holly]

and cropped it, i would have forgotten it, esp one from 2023

[stray grove]

You know it doesn’t take that long to crop an image

[gentle aspen]

Anyways be nice I’m technically at work rn

[stray fog]

Blue prince mentioned ‼️‼️

[stray grove]

Yeah I take it back

[whole holly]

ok

lol

how does one remember to access 2023 comment during 2025 argument, that requires dedication of some kind

[stray grove]

Discord search function:

[whole holly]

it is becoming 2026 no less

[stray grove]

Happy new year Nika

[pale narwhal]

the search function lets you filter by timestamp

[whole holly]

sure but it still needs to be etched in memory, never forgotten, unless shaman's used red memory spell on you, to even remember that such comment exists in first place and then search it?

[pale narwhal]

(a feature previously limited to the pc version)

[stray grove]

Oh, it was etched in my memory all right…

[marble oasis]

That was tuff, awesome silksong reference

[whole holly]

thank you

[marble oasis]

All my silksong heads know that one

[whole holly]

happy upcoming new year 2026 everyone

[stray grove]

I’m more of a dream dive guy

[stray fog]

https://tenor.com/view/2014-gif-22205066

Im going to get publically executed for this gif now

[dire wraith]

What significance does bells really serve in the lore

[sinful nimbus]

Music seals GMS

[spark valve]

the songshrines are a part of that system but have also taken on a religious significance

[dire wraith]

Isn’t that what the choir is for? To sing the lullaby to keep her sealed and asleep?

[sinful nimbus]

Its what all music is for

[whole holly]

musical and song elements were obviously scaled back and i will die on this hill

[sinful nimbus]

😔

[dire wraith]

Idk the more I think about it why is bellhart and the stagways in this game made entirely out of millions of bells

The weavers use harps in their work

String instruments I get it

[vapid radish]

Just a theory but I think the bells were also a part of the music because you need music to open doors and opin the bellways you can even play music to call the bell beast where there are tons of bells same in with playing music to remind the enemy’s while bells were probably also used for the memories maybe that’s why the bell beast lived for long the bells would remind him as he goes through transporting the people while they all got puppetized

I have bad grammer sorry

[cedar skiff]

i wish they added a minigame where you could actually play music

it would have been really fun

[whole holly]

i think Needolin is too restricted compared to Dream Nail, there was no creature we couldn't dream nail in Hallownest, but we can't needolin Fayforn or Greyroot, i am betting they would have thoughts when dream nailed

even shades had "...." dialogue

i wish we got actual separate device to replace dream nail instead of being mashed into needle

[edgy nebula]

i dont think theyre ever really explained but my theory is that they were mass produced by the citadel for pilgrims and travellers to play music even while on their pilgrimage or while exploring

kinda like those sidewalks that generate electricity from people stepping on them

[silk dirge]

why are we making this analogy😭

all i know these from is those instagram meme posts that have text in chinese and when you press translate its like "japan uses piezoelectric tiles"

[edgy nebula]

closest analogy i could think of

it’s like that except gms stays asleep from the noises of pilgrims walking instead of them generating electricity

[silk dirge]

i wonder what the purpose of first shrine was

bc its after the pilgrimage

[twin dragon]

Silk is related to memories

[whole holly]

I know

[heavy gyro]

I guess it is a silksong

[whole holly]

i wish actual silksong mechanic was in game, like akin to Needolin and Sylphsong

[silk dirge]

the silksong so to speak was the song that was used to keep gms asleep

[twilit crest]

Aesthetics

[whole holly]

isn't it Threefold Melody or is it also called silksong

[silk dirge]

yeah threefold is the "silksong"

[whole holly]

ok

but i can't believe Hollow Knight had more songs with unique effects like Grubsong, Carefree Melody, Weaversong and so on

[edgy nebula]

silksong has conductors melody, architects melody, vaultkeepers melody, needolin, beastling call, elegy of the deep, warding bell, magma bell, spider strings, and prolly more

[twin dragon]

the only musical thing about those are the names

[stray grove]

Magma Bell doesn’t count, there’s nothing musical about it
Spider Strings doesn’t count either lmao
Counting the Threefold Melody components separately when they all do the same thing is bizarre
Needolin, Beastling Call, and Elegy aren’t “unique effects”
The only one here worth a damn is Warding Bell, which is actually kinda interesting

Let’s face it, there is no “song magic”. The musical theme and by extension the bells are mostly an aesthetic choice with little to no narrative (or mechanical) importance. You’ve got reskinned Dreamers, reskinned Dream Nail, and uhhhh that’s it

[edgy nebula]

yeah that's fair

i wonder why magma bell was even designed as a bell

how does it even protect against heat

is it worn on the head??

[stray grove]

It’s magic, and it’s a bell because everything in this game is a bell that’s just the aesthetic

The Deep Docks workers also wear bell armor and shit

The Songshrines are the only bells that actually do anything meaningful and it makes sense for them to have become common religious iconography as a result of that

[twin dragon]

that song is mostly related to silk

I know, i know

[edgy nebula]

like some kinda silksong

[stray grove]

Well Warding Bell is cool at least

But that aside the song aspect is unfortunately very under utilized

So is the silk aspect because Team Cherry decided to make silk magic completely indistinguishable from the already established soul magic

“Silklight” 🥴

[twin dragon]

Same basis

but now it can recreate memories apparently

[stray grove]

That’s not exactly what’s happening, it’s also not actually a new thing

[twin dragon]

It's literally everywhere

even if it's not an "element" by itself

[stray grove]

It’s literally everywhere but it’s… just there

There’s nothing interesting about the songs they don’t do anything they’re just songs

Silk is also everywhere and it’s just soul but less interesting because we’ve already seen all this shit before

[twin dragon]

Has a few new properties, adding to something existing is fine to me

[whole holly]

They contain songs, though lore wise , at least grubsong and carefree melody

[twin dragon]

though have little to no relevance to their actual use

[stray grove]

It doesn’t “add” much of anything

[whole holly]

yea i am aware, but it is still neat they have unique properties as songs

[stray grove]

Aesthetically Silk is soul. Mechanically Silk is soul. Narratively silk is soul. The only silk “skills” that aren’t soul spells are attacks Hornet used in HK, and Clawline lmao

Real interesting

[whole holly]

and Song doesn't need to be force or element, it needs to be game mechanic, it's role is restricted from silk ancestral art, song and it's special effects aren't unique to weavers

[twin dragon]

The link between soul and memory is actually established this time

[stray grove]

Not in the way you seem to understand it and not in a way that’s different to what was already established

[whole holly]

Needolin is restricted as Weaken Dream Nail

[twilit crest]

These first three takes aren’t exactly correct

[twin dragon]

realistically how would you add song as a game mechanic

[twilit crest]

Silk and soul aren’t narratively congruent.

[stray grove]

We are repeatedly told silk is soul

[whole holly]

Soul has generic connection to Dreams, it is weak connection but connection noneless, silk needolin magic uses that for memories ig

[twilit crest]

Silk functions differently than soul

Idk if the haunting would’ve happened like this if gms used soul instead of silk

[stray grove]

In addition to this, Needolin/silk magic is also able to split the veil, and soul could already do this in HK. Also it’s a Shaman spell that enables Hornet to do that

[stray grove]

No it doesn’t, are you going to elaborate

[whole holly]

expand Needolin's Role, to be at least equal to dream nail, learn different songs that actually have different effects, especially for Shakra's Mother and Greyroot which can't be dream nailed

[stray grove]

GMS’ silk is her lifeforce, it’s made of soul

Same goes for Hornet and Weavers etc

It’s not a distinct entity

[twilit crest]

Is wine not distinct from grapes

[twin dragon]

Making stuff for a few niche uses ain't that cool

[stray grove]

… holy false equivalence
Soul can take many forms. This is like arguing the “solid” form it takes in PV spells is distinct from the “liquid” form it takes in Shaman spells or the form it takes when it’s present in the air or the bodies of bugs

[twin dragon]

Also it's not a necessity for it to be an actual mechanic, its related to silk

[whole holly]

i like fact that they made Warding Bell, Karmelita was Skarrsinger that resisted haunting with song, Nyleth was the Voice that empowered seth, Bells were narratively important

[twilit crest]

Silk is unique. It functions uniquely. Idk what to tell you

[stray grove]

It doesn’t function uniquely and you have failed to elaborate on that beyond going “uh something GMS”

[twilit crest]

Ghost can’t bind, yet hornet can. That alone speaks to the specific properties of silk, not to mention my already mentioned countless implications of the haunting

[stray grove]

Bind and Focus are analogous, TC themselves said this lmao

[twilit crest]

Silk may be made of soul but soul isn’t silk.

[stray grove]

They’re both soul

[limpid summit]

TK could probably focus GMS

[stray grove]

Stop begging the question

[whole holly]

Song/Bell and it's unique properties (Grubsong, Grubberfly's Elegy, Carefree Melody, Warding Bell, Karmelita's Song) aren't always related to silk, it is just that silk can make stringed instrument

[limpid summit]

It might be hard on it considering what Hornet says

[twilit crest]

Yo what is your deal so hostile

[whole holly]

wdym begging the question, how else are they supposed to ask, that doesn't even make sense

[twilit crest]

I’m just saying that silk is made of soul but that doesn’t make soul the same thing as silk. It goes back to my comparison of wine > grapes

[stray grove]

Yeah. Which is a false equivalence. As I already explained.

[twilit crest]

Which I refuted and defeated.

[stray grove]

Lmao?

I concede they Silk is different from generic Soul in the same way PV and Shaman spells are different sure

That wasn’t your point

[whole holly]

Elegy of Deep and Beastling Call too which is melody that has unique properties silk as part string instrument enables hornet to play needolin with that melody

[twilit crest]

can the haunting happen if silk was replaced with soul?

[stray grove]

Silk is soul

[twilit crest]

Does bellhart happen the same way with purely soul as our power source

[stray grove]

As we are repeatedly told

[twilit crest]

I doubt that

[silk dirge]

i think silk being soul is something that just has to be

but it couldve been more unique

[stray grove]

Silk is soul

[twilit crest]

So you admit you cannot answer the question

[stray grove]

“Can PV cast its spells as a Snail Shaman”

[whole holly]

i mean Silk inherits all properties of Soul, Wine doesn't maintain properties of Grapes

[silk dirge]

if silk isnt soul then its healing power makes no sense

[twilit crest]

Wine isn’t grapey?

[stray grove]

It is, this is just whataboutism

[silk dirge]

but it could be more unique

[stray grove]

All properties

[twin dragon]

Yeah, song can be produced in several ways, through silk is the weaver's

[twilit crest]

Why does it have to be all?

[whole holly]

it's caloric density decrreases, it is not exact analogous

[stray grove]

Because it is, as we’re repeatedly told and shown

[silk dirge]

thats what im saying

[whole holly]

all established properties yes

[silk dirge]

silk is soul lol

[twilit crest]

So can the haunting happen with purely soul

[stray grove]

It does happen with purely soul

So yes

[twilit crest]

and if so, then why didn’t it

[silk dirge]

if it wasnt tho then healing would have to be explained somehow

[stray grove]

That’s the answer to your stupid question

[silk dirge]

but its soul so it works out

[twilit crest]

Dude you gotta relax

Dehydrated asf

[stray grove]

And you gotta read

[limpid summit]

Wdym why didn’t it

[stray grove]

It did lmao

[whole holly]

But Bell was it's own narrative element that was significantly scaled back it seems

[limpid summit]

The haunting is a physical infection because the soul-infused silk of GMS is in bugs

It’s physical but soul based

[twilit crest]

The game at face value deals with silk in ways only a silk-like magic system can function. If silk and soul are 1:1 the same then why did we end up with silk at all

[whole holly]

yeah silk is just soul infused thread, it is soul that does hard work

[twilit crest]

Why can’t any soul affected bug bind weavers yk

[stray grove]

Because TC are creatively bankrupt

[limpid summit]

Eh I wouldn’t even say that

Half of all silk spells are just soul spells

[stray grove]

Vessels probably can

[limpid summit]

Soul isn’t fully translated into a silk medium

[twilit crest]

What does bellhart look like if silk were to not exist and replaced narratively with soul

[stray grove]

Because focus is explicitly an analogous ability and TK is capable of focusing Dreamers and Rad

[limpid summit]

What if the world was made of pudding

[stray grove]

That’s a Wyrm thing Hornet inherited

[limpid summit]

I don’t get the hypothetical

[twilit crest]

Silk > soul just like wine > grapes

[twin dragon]

Weavers can also bind

and so can gms

[limpid summit]

Soul doesn’t manifest physically at all

[stray grove]

Not in the same way

[whole holly]

yeah

[twilit crest]

Right. Beings with a natural inclination towards silk

[limpid summit]

Unless it is manifested

[twin dragon]

You see first sinner do exactly what hornet does

[stray grove]

They can bind to heal themselves they can’t bind beings, Eva says that’s a specific thing Hornet does

[limpid summit]

There aren’t pillars of pure soul around

[stray grove]

They can bind to heal themselves they can’t bind beings, Eva says that’s a specific thing Hornet does

[twin dragon]

Right, clarified it

[twilit crest]

The way I see it, silk is a refined or arbitrated use of soul but that doesn’t make soul exactly the same as silk

[whole holly]

Soul Sanctum was able to manipulate soul and attempted focusing it, it is weird Whiteward didn't achieve binding

[stray grove]

Weavers also cast spells using their own lifeforce this is a moot point

[twin dragon]

Honestly could be a higher being thing

since gms can do that

[twilit crest]

No it isn’t

[whole holly]

oh, thanks

[stray grove]

Silk is soul
PV spells are also a more refined use of soul

This isn’t a real distinction

Even the game and the devs say there’s not a distinction stop being difficult

[twilit crest]

Oh my god bruh

Again with the insults

You need to relax it’s not that deep

[limpid summit]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

[twin dragon]

I think he likes silksong

[whole holly]

delete this

[stray grove]

No don’t delete it

[limpid summit]

Anyway

[twilit crest]

Nah it’s funny and poignant

[limpid summit]

Tapeworm I don’t fully understand your point

Sorry

[twilit crest]

That’s ok

[limpid summit]

Could you articulate it

[stray grove]

Nika we’re friends again right

[whole holly]

it is overused and unfunny

[silk dirge]

how about we delete this channel :sungla

[twilit crest]

I laughed.

[whole holly]

idk

[twilit crest]

I’d love to but I’m afraid of trying with mister volatile here

[limpid summit]

I’ll keep mister volatile in check

[whole holly]

probably

[stray grove]

Well I want you to know we all really appreciate having you here

[whole holly]

thank you

[twilit crest]

I just don’t want insults flung about over bug game lore

[stray grove]

Nobody is insulting anyone you’re the one making up imaginary scenarios to get mad at

[twilit crest]

I try not to insult any of you yk

[stray grove]

You know maybe it would help if you actually addressed the content of my arguments instead of their tone

[twilit crest]

“Difficult” “stupid” yeah ok guess those quotes just came of thin air

[stray grove]

Since that’s kind of the intended purpose of the channel

But what do I know

[twilit crest]

Why are you crashing out bruh all I said was that we should be respectful

It’s even in the rules

[stray grove]

Yeah it was a stupid question and you’re being difficult those are personal insults

But I don’t care to argue about this it’s not the time or place

[twilit crest]

That isn’t justifiable

[stray grove]

If you wanna discuss lore I’m here otherwise idc

Go modmail it or something

[twilit crest]

I think it’s normal to not want to be insulted over a lore take

[whole holly]

well silk can do what it does because it is derived from soul, Spiders can make Threads(which are Silk without soul) nosk strunged up prey's without Silk, but Silk's control and haunting come from Soul as it influences and extends will of bearer(GMS and Weavers)

[stray grove]

Go modmail it instead of crying in the middle of the channel

[twilit crest]

Plus it’s in the rules. Be respectful.

[whole holly]

honestly, that rule needs to respected

[stray grove]

It’s also in the rules to stay on topic

[twilit crest]

This is a relevant topic

[stray grove]

It’s not lore

[twilit crest]

That we should be able to discuss lore without insulting

[stray grove]

I clarified that I didn’t intend to insult anyone if that’s not enough for you go and ModMail it

I see no merit to continuing this here

[twilit crest]

You can clarify whatever you want. I’m just saying we should be nicer

[stray grove]

You’re just clogging chat for everyone else with off topic nonsense

Ok. Point taken. Are you done?

[twin dragon]

btw what eva dialogue hints that weavers can't bind other beings

[limpid summit]

Silk capital S (soul infused) comes from GMS and is fairly analogous to Soul, the spider string of Nosk and the devouts idk if it’s ever called Silk but it probably just works the same sans Soul

[stray grove]

Let me get it one moment

[twin dragon]

i'd like to know

[twilit crest]

This is exactly the linchpin of my point. Silk can function like soul but we have no evidence to suggest pure soul can do what silk does

It seems like silk and soul are sourced from the same thing and yet silk is an arbitration or refinement of soul so to speak

Which goes back to my grapes > wine thing

[stray grove]

Silk is Soul. Pure Soul in this context does not actually exist outside of like the air and the bodies of bugs and shit

[limpid summit]

Okay wait I see

[whole holly]

i mean Silk does that because it has physical medium, it can be made into structures but all the magic comes from soul

[limpid summit]

What does silk do that pure soul cannot

[silk dirge]

ok you know what would be interesting

[twilit crest]

Right. These qualities combined make silk a unique substance.

[stray grove]

If you believe that spells are pure soul then silk is the same thing

[whole holly]

yes, Soul Spells are Soul Contructs

[stray grove]

If you believe spells are modified soul then silk is the same thing

It’s just soul

[silk dirge]

weaversong mentions weavers weaved stories

[limpid summit]

So are silk spells though

[stray grove]

This isn’t that deep

[silk dirge]

or something like that

[twilit crest]

Silk does not function as we see it in game without the added affect of magic. But we have no proof that you can do a haunting with pure soul.

[limpid summit]

That was midwife (?) I think pogseal

[silk dirge]

i forgot where its mentioned but i think its with weaversong somewhere

[limpid summit]

That might just mean like

Tapestries or something

Or rune harps

[silk dirge]

that would've been interesting to have expanded on tho

[stray grove]

The haunting does happen with pure soul

You can think of it as a complex spell if it’s easier

Because functionally that’s what it is

[rustic finch]

What exactly do the ||steel bugs|| do?

[twilit crest]

Is spellcraft the same as mana itself

[stray grove]

They watch kingdoms die and uhhh that’s about all we know

[silk dirge]

like i dont think you can divorce silk from soul but silk could have unique properties to differentiate it a bit

[twilit crest]

That’s all I’m really getting at

[stray grove]

Ok great so silk isn’t distinct from any other form of spellcraft that uses soul as its fuel source

[whole holly]

strunging prey up is like nosk's threads but haunting and influencing haunted person's will is from Soul, in fact we see similar thing is Soul Sanctum where people are insane, i guess

[stray grove]

We’re done then

[twilit crest]

Silk is made of soul but soul is not silk 1:1

[silk dirge]

i mean rn idk if those unique properties exist rn

but ideally silk would have some of them

[twilit crest]

Bindings, weaver spellcraft, gms haunting silk,

[whole holly]

doesn't mister mushroom do that? they just observe , nightmare troupe feeds on it

[twilit crest]

There’s too many examples to count

[rustic finch]

I heard that they hunt bugs that were ||black threaded||

[limpid summit]

Like 10 people

TC are hacks

[limpid summit]

The steel masters send assassins after vassals who mishandle void

[stray grove]

Binding is specifically analogous to focus
Weaver spellcraft is mostly identical to soul spells, with runes and teleportation being notable examples
The haunting uses silk yes but silk is soul, this is not a meaningful distinction because you’re basically just going “ok but it’s not pure soul” yeah well then neither is any soul spell under the sun

[twilit crest]

In an alternate hypothetical version of skong where silk doesn’t exist, I don’t think we have enough lore evidence to prove gms couldve committed the haunting with pure soul.

[stray grove]

Sigh

[rustic finch]

That’s sick as hell

[limpid summit]

Who is GMS in this hypothetical lol

She doesn’t exist

[twilit crest]

Exactly

[whole holly]

Bind is Focusing Silk, Spells as Spells but in silk form, excess soul influencing will happened in Soul Sanctum as well but Higher Being is able to control it so not all silk's properties can be accredited to Silk alone i guess

[stray grove]

What if the world was made of pudding

And the moon was made of cheese

[silk dirge]

i would eat it

[sinful nimbus]

Hello glorious #sk-lore, what's the topic today?

[silk dirge]

silk being soul

[stray grove]

Read up

Don’t waste everyone’s time with pointless questions thanks

[sinful nimbus]

I'm confused why that would be up for debate?

[twilit crest]

Right. It’s also worth mentioning that this is unlikely to be intended as a “hard” magic system

[limpid summit]

If silk didn’t exist what would Grand Mother _ do

[stray grove]

Now if you don’t mind I’ve left Nubbie waiting for quite some time

[twilit crest]

Not shit. Cause her silk is what makes the feats of the game possible. Not her soul.

[silk dirge]

backread like uhh

[stray grove]

Her silk is her soul

Holy yap

ts gotta be ragebait chat

[silk dirge]

you wouldnt know this person but i do and they backread like crazy

[sinful nimbus]

Woah woah it wasn't pointless if I got the answer quicker 😅

[silk dirge]

theyll literally be responding to messages from 5 days ago

[sinful nimbus]

Now I can jump into the convo

[silk dirge]

backread like that on the topic

[stray grove]

Yeah that’s like Murphy’s Law or something

[sinful nimbus]

Based on what?

Silk is "fine thread spun from the soul of its creator"

[twilit crest]

If you backread you’d see my examples

[twilit crest]

If you backread you’d see that I argue that silk is a refinement of soul

[stray grove]

You’d also see my rebuttals of said examples that until now haven’t been addressed beyond repeating the same arguments over and over

[twilit crest]

Wine to grapes yet again

[sinful nimbus]

Hmm I don't feel like doing that haha

[stray grove]

False equivalence

[twilit crest]

Lmao well

[whole holly]

Silk is Derived from Soul, Dreams are derived from Essence, Radiance used Dreams as her method of ruling, GMS used Silk, Infection and haunting are consequences of that, is that good enough analogue?

[stray grove]

Stop repeating it like it means something

Thanks for the upvote Nika!

[sinful nimbus]

Wine to grapes doesn't really make sense since wine doesn't share all its properties with grapes whereas Silk isn't demonstrated to be meaningfully different from Soul in the game

[twilit crest]

Correct afaict

[twilit crest]

If silk isn’t meaningfully different than soul then why do we need a weaver to bind all the graves

Why can bellhart be strung up

[limpid summit]

What

I don’t understand the former

[whole holly]

it doesn't matter if GMS can do Haunting with Soul she indirectly(which doesn't matter) uses Soul to Spun Silk to haunt everyone

[stray grove]

How come you got more upvotes for saying the same thing as me that’s not fair

[limpid summit]

PV could probably focus the entombed Weavers but why would the Weavers want that

[stray grove]

@limpid summit hey fuck you btw

[limpid summit]

They want a Weaver messiah to save them from GMS not something they don’t know exists

[limpid summit]

Nika you seeing this

[twilit crest]

If silk and soul are supposedly interchangeable then why did a weaver have to bind all the graves and not just anyone with an acumen for soul.

[stray grove]

Where’s my upvote

[limpid summit]

What

I thought it went without saying

[twilit crest]

Im elaborating like you asked

[limpid summit]

I mean if you’re really asking there’s a couple reasons

First who would do it in Pharloom

[stray grove]

Whataboutism

[limpid summit]

Second even if someone would and could why should they
Binding other beings is dangerous to one’s mind as Hornet says

[whole holly]

Silk is just Physical Threaded Soul, and result of Haunting, kind of how infection was able to manifest as physically because veil between Dream Realm and Waking/Regular Realm was affected

[twilit crest]

There’s a couple candidates I think.

[twilit crest]

Silk is a result of the haunting? How

[whole holly]

and regular threads can be used to hung up prey nosk did it

[stray grove]

Are we fr gang

[limpid summit]

“What if Silksong was just Song”

[stray grove]

Ok Nubbie I’m sorry I’ll get the dialogue now

[limpid summit]

I’m not sure if this is in grounds

Bro Nubbie gone

[twilit crest]

Are you meaning to imply that the haunting created silk? I’m unsure of what you meant sorry

[whole holly]

sorry, Silk used to hang up enemies is possible through already established haunting

[limpid summit]

Don’t try and dodge discussion by getting a quote no one needs anymore

[stray grove]

I’ll get it anyway as doing so is in the interest of maintaining accuracy

[limpid summit]

I thought you were better than that

[twilit crest]

Wait what’s going on

[stray grove]

If we all accept that quote exists then this discussion should’ve ended half an hour ago

There’s no qualities of silk that meaningfully distinguish it from soul based magics of other kinds

[whole holly]

Widow manipulates Silk Threads to strung up bugs like nosk did with spider threads

[stray grove]

I’m also getting it for Nika, as the blueprint I should always back up my points with evidence

[whole holly]

yeah , other than having physical properties which aren't meaningfully important

[twilit crest]

Oh yeah for sure but I don’t think the haunting would’ve been doable to the extent that we’ve seen without silk being a combined substance of physical and magical. Possibly metaphysical too but that’s tinfoil

[whole holly]

you were in 2023, now you fell off

[limpid summit]

Tuff nika

[twilit crest]

Like. I genuinely don’t see how 90% of Silksong’s feats would’ve been possible if silk were not magical

Grammar is hard fml

[limpid summit]

There is non magical silk in HK

[whole holly]

i mean Haunting could have been possible if higher being manipulated Soul, it is soul that affects the bugs

[limpid summit]

GMS is the source of Soul infused Silk

[twilit crest]

Yes but it is soul acting through silk that we get at face value

[stray grove]

Incredible... Your nature is so unlike a mortal bug's. Yours is malleable, transitory. It is a marvelous thing, worth my long life to behold.
Anyway here it is this is a specific quality of Hornet it’s not a generic Weaver trait

[whole holly]

if you mean threads they can be spooled and used to strung up enemies in nosk's lair, literally nothing else

[twilit crest]

I never said there wasn’t

[stray grove]

And given TK does the same shit it’s probably a Wyrm trait

[twilit crest]

Wait why are we acting like I said there is no non magical silk

[stray grove]

So yeah Weavers can bind using their own lifeforce to heal their own injuries

Hornet being able to absorb soul through the pale shell and bind other entities are Wyrm abilities

[twilit crest]

It just seems apparent that gms derived weaver/spiderkind have access to a substance that is unique on its own.

[stray grove]

TC themselves have said (Hornet’s) Bind is analogous to focus so idk why tapeworm keeps bringing this up as a supposed difference

[twilit crest]

And from a meta narrative perspective, it wouldn’t make any sense to have two substances that are completely identical 1:1

Like not just bad writing but dysfunctional writing

[stray grove]

As for weaver spellcraft I’ve already established how and why that’s similar to soul which leaves only the haunting which has been discussed at length

[whole holly]

i mean, that's because Higher Being does it, i am not sure how physical properties of Silk are that important

[stray grove]

Unfortunately everything we’ve said is being ignored and tapeworm keeps going on unrelated tangents

[twilit crest]

What does it need to be important

[stray grove]

So I’m gonna go do wordle instead

[twin dragon]

shoulda pinged but thanks

[stray grove]

Sorry

I forgot to, chat was moving pretty fast

[twin dragon]

Makes sense that's its a higher being thing only, gms doesnt birth the weavers

[twin dragon]

At the same time, barely anything of value was said

[stray grove]

Unfortunately

That tends to be how it is

[twilit crest]

Rip

[stray grove]

I’m glad all but one person involved in the discussion was able to agree in the end

[twilit crest]

I thought some of you made good points idk

It just seems irrefutable that silk is a refined element

[twin dragon]

I'd still argue silk differentiates enough from soul, the basis of it being the same

[twilit crest]

That’s exactly what I been saying 💔

[stray grove]

It’s a refined element in the same way spells are refined elements

Which is what I have been saying constantly but whatever

It’s done

[twilit crest]

Anyways

Woohoo bug game yay

[twin dragon]

Refined spells out of another refined element

[twilit crest]

Steel vs iron type shi

[twin dragon]

silk silk spells next

[stray grove]

PV soul spells seem pretty refined to me

More so than silk spells

[twin dragon]

those are soul runes which i assume

[stray grove]

Actually being able to manipulate raw soul is more impressive

[twin dragon]

is a refined soul type

[stray grove]

It’s just soul

It’s all just soul

[gentle aspen]

que

[stray grove]

There aren’t “types” of soul

Why are we making things hard

Ugh

Whatever

[twin dragon]

soul but it string

[twilit crest]

Soul as a magic system kind of necessitates refinement

Fantasy worldbuilding be like that sometimes idk

[gentle aspen]

that’s like, the one example we have of that

otherwise its just soul

it gets focused into spells but the soul doesn’t change “type”

[twilit crest]

Silk is soul the way wine is grapes

It goes one way but not two

[twin dragon]

Silk spells share the properties of silk doe

soul is soul inside of an organism yes

it's still soul

[twilit crest]

Hornet cannot thread storm with pure soul for instance. That would likely take the shape of an entirely different spell

[gentle aspen]

?

[twilit crest]

I also just really am not convinced that silk isn’t integral to corpse binding

[gentle aspen]

yeah?

[limpid summit]

Focusing the dreamers and Rad is pretty much the same

Maybe a better analogy would be absorbing Snail Shaman essence

[gentle aspen]

silk is just “thread mixed with soul”

[twilit crest]

We don’t take abilities from radiance though

[gentle aspen]

And what we’ve seen isn’t much different

[twilit crest]

We take gms power directly

[limpid summit]

Well it’s analogous

[gentle aspen]

yeah because hornet and her are the same type of being

[limpid summit]

She’s dream based

[twilit crest]

I agree with that much at least

[limpid summit]

It can’t be exactly the same thing because Hornet has different physiology

[twilit crest]

Good example tbh

[limpid summit]

But the extent of Hornet’s bind is a result of her Wyrm nature

[twilit crest]

Oh idk about that

[limpid summit]

Similar to Vessel focus

[twilit crest]

Actually I kinda get it

[limpid summit]

I don’t think a regular Weaver could bind Eva or GMS

[twilit crest]

Cause red memory implies she binds hallownest weavers

[limpid summit]

It does?

[twilit crest]

Hmm I’m not sure. I guess so

[limpid summit]

I think that’s just the memory dissipating

[twilit crest]

Yes and no? It’s unclear

[limpid summit]

Why would she kill them

[twilit crest]

I don’t think it’s murder

More like ritual sacrifice

[gentle aspen]

no it doesn’t

she was getting taught by them and that memory ends

[twilit crest]

Cause they all slowly dissipate and the scene ends with Hornet finishing her cloak. An article that we know for fact she cares a lot about. It’s not a stretch to say weavers gave their lives for it. But that’s strictly theoretical afaict

[gentle aspen]

I don’t think they’d need to give their lives to finish a dress

[twilit crest]

What we know for fact is that the scene ends with them all disappearing, leaving Hornet with herrah and her cloak

The implications are unclear thus

[twin dragon]

Weavers dying out due to the infections or hornet's memory fading

[twilit crest]

Could be. We don’t know

[twin dragon]

Why would hornet bind them

[twilit crest]

I said why😭

[gentle aspen]

herrah disappears in the same way

she didn’t bind her

[twilit crest]

Anyway

[gentle aspen]

It’s just the memory ending

[twin dragon]

memories ending means consumption now

peak

[gentle aspen]

true

[twilit crest]

That’s not what I said 💔

[twin dragon]

the knight ATE the path of pain

[limpid summit]

@stray grove

Question

[twin dragon]

Ik im just kidding

[twilit crest]

Oh ok yay ❤️

[gentle aspen]

actually yeah I checked every individual disappears in the same way the weavers did

[twin dragon]

js ask it

[gentle aspen]

he’s ragebaiting

[limpid summit]

No it’s for him

Hey

It’s a genuine question

[twilit crest]

I think he dipped idk I blocked him a while ago

[whole holly]

Guys these discussions are boring

[stray grove]

So true Nika

[whole holly]

Stop glazing me

[limpid summit]

So TRUE nika

[stray grove]

Also you can still see blocked messages come up but nice try

[stray grove]

What… I just agreed…

[whole holly]

Oh thank you AppleEgg, I APPRECIATE you

[stray grove]

Stop glazing hi

[gentle aspen]

he doesn’t want you

[limpid summit]

Anyway Return

Now that you’re here

You like the White Wyrm a lot don’t you

[twilit crest]

Me no longer seeing “4 blocked messages” led me to state that you had momentarily left chat. What nice try?

This is why I blocked you. So fucking hostile

[stray grove]

So true bestie

[stray grove]

Yeah I do

[gentle aspen]

You need to chill

[stray grove]

LMAO

[limpid summit]

Well I noticed something pretty strange about his rule

Considering the spirits glade ghosts appear in the manner and mindset of their death

[whole holly]

They were at worst condescending and sarcastic, which sucks but still

It is lore channel

[limpid summit]

What sort of ruler fosters a culture where a poor bug girl can be cut down while she just wants to share her baked goods with the world?

[twilit crest]

Potato potato

[whole holly]

Everyone acts that way, with exceptions

[limpid summit]

Diddyblud, a sparkling gem of Hallownest, shines no more

All thanks to the hostile culture the Pale King fostered

[stray grove]

Ok this is ragebait

[gentle aspen]

the sort of ruler that had backer characters added after their inclusion not before

[muted lantern]

Did anyone notice that pinstress waves goodbye when you leave? very cute

[stray grove]

Don’t feed the trolls guys

[gentle aspen]

Didn’t notice that

[sinful nimbus]

I'm back guys!

[whole holly]

Lore channel isn’t really for you then, or adapt

[gentle aspen]

What a dweeb

That’s adorable

[twilit crest]

Potato

[whole holly]

Hey star

[sinful nimbus]

Hi nika

[whole holly]

Mashed potatoes

[twilit crest]

Im gonna use the lore chat to talk about lore man I’m sorry to disappoint lmao

[limpid summit]

They changed backer characters

They made poor Thistlewind glaze Markoth

[gentle aspen]

barely
spirit’s glade ones aren’t really relevant

[whole holly]

Ok

[limpid summit]

Also that’s the character belonging to the most prolific in game VA lmao

[gentle aspen]

“Most prolific in game va” dude

The va is babble

[whole holly]

Really ? Like how that one person is glazing me?

[limpid summit]

Yes exactly

[muted lantern]

It's very rare to trigger, but i've seen it

[sinful nimbus]

I'm late to the party but soul can be physical as well, we see that in the first game
And as The Return of the King already pointed out Focus is analogous to Bind

[gentle aspen]

no one notices or cares who is behind the voice unless they’re a fan of hk

[twilit crest]

I won’t insult anyone and I thought respect was a rules thing yk

[limpid summit]

“THAT person”

[stray grove]

It’s Makoto Koji’s character

[limpid summit]

Hollow knight piece

[stray grove]

Diddyblud is literally Hornet!

[twilit crest]

I disagree with the focus = bind part ig

[gentle aspen]

😐

[stray grove]

I also pointed out that soul can be solid but was ignored

Stop tryna repeat the same shit as me twin

Ts ain’t tuff

[whole holly]

Yeah I know but respect can’t really be enforced same way that other rules can

[twilit crest]

Cause while you can focus and bind to heal, they still function differently.

[twilit crest]

Thats true. Which is why I take matters into my own hands and block when necessary.

[muted lantern]

You can see her doing it here, hard to see bc its during scene transition

[whole holly]

Good for you if it works, I just got tougher personally

[stray grove]

🥶

[whole holly]

Elaborate

[muted lantern]

heres a better look

[gentle aspen]

not particularly

[muted lantern]

She waves goodbye when you leave

[gentle aspen]

nothing to really elaborate on

[whole holly]

Again with the glazing

[gentle aspen]

She waves hornet goodbye

also can you three stop going off topic

[muted lantern]

who

[stray grove]

🗣️ 🔥

[gentle aspen]

they know who they are

[whole holly]

Oh yeah , I knew that, why is it lore discussion

[sinful nimbus]

I have you ignored so sorry for not reading all your messages 😟

[gentle aspen]

nvm I’ll just leave

[limpid summit]

Why does Diddybug have bug in her proper name anyway

[stray grove]

bro think he a mod lmao

[limpid summit]

Wouldn’t that be redundant

[whole holly]

Not my fault I promise I am trying

[stray grove]

Minimodding 😔

[stray grove]

Crawbug

[whole holly]

Worst person you know just made great point

[twilit crest]

I have no pride in the ability to bear toxicity on the internet

[stray grove]

It’s like having man in your name

Sherman isn’t that redundant

[gentle aspen]

telling people to follow channel rules isn’t minimodding
Continuing to try and “moderate” by threatening punishment or the like is

[whole holly]

To each to their own, it isn’t pride but skill

[muted lantern]

It's a neat detail of her characterization. Especially with how she acts in game making her seem a little unfriendly and not interested in the company.

[limpid summit]

That’s a species though

[twilit crest]

Mayhaps

[limpid summit]

They named her thats

[gentle aspen]

Well the species is craw

[whole holly]

Why are you telling me that, I am not conversing with you in particular.

[sinful nimbus]

I don't see anyone acting particularly toxic

But Sleepy is right we should get back on topic

[whole holly]

Yeah right now I would agree

[twilit crest]

I think it’s mostly died down yeah

[gentle aspen]

question

[whole holly]

What is topic we already discussed it mostly

[gentle aspen]

do you think plasmium is meant to be a creature from the deep

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[twilit crest]

Tangential arguments and such

[sinful nimbus]

Always bet on Lobster Lancer

[gentle aspen]

I’m hoping the sea of sorrows gives us some proper creepy enemies

[whole holly]

Sure, deep as underwater or abyss?

[gentle aspen]

truth be told silksong only had like

two

[opal jasper]

hello does anyone know where these sprites are from?

[gentle aspen]

underwater
We’re told it’s found from salt stricken waters

[muted lantern]

The most i've guessed about plasmium is that it's lack of soul lets it coexist in the abyss.

[gentle aspen]

Tram

[twilit crest]

Speaking of underwater

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong doesn't do creepyh

[gentle aspen]

plasmium wasn’t exactly physically present in the abyss

the door was there yes but the individual within was in the dream realm

[whole holly]

Plant is found near waters, it could be interesting

[twilit crest]

I wonder who couldve built the submarine we might see in sos

[gentle aspen]

perhaps we’ll see it in its intended state

like seaweed or kelp

[whole holly]

Yes it seems like seal rather than natural habitat

[gentle aspen]

Silksong had it be invasive

[opal jasper]

the tram bench looks like this though

[gentle aspen]

oh huh

I forgor

[whole holly]

I am not sure Since lifeblood is plant and butterfly themed, would connect weirdly with water

We will see how TC will incorporate it

[muted lantern]

The lifeblood vines were there, it clearly has some presence. But my main point is the connection is due to the lack of lifeseeds giving soul in both games. Likely implying it could have a symbiotic relationship with the void since the void wouldn't seek it out. Im saying theres some kinda connection there between the forces, especially due to the lifeblood creature being called abyss creature in the files.

[gentle aspen]

i lowkey jus wanna see the butterflies planting lifeseeds to sprout buds

[gentle aspen]

well void can be symbiotic with soul too

[twilit crest]

Wait what’s the topic now :0

[gentle aspen]

but it probably melds better with it

soul + void seems to require powerful sources

[muted lantern]

Lifebloods connection to void, im just trying to think of why such an important lifeblood location would be deep in the abyss. And why lifeblood lacks soul in it's lifeseed form.

[stray grove]

It’s just an isolated location

[gentle aspen]

maybe because it wants to replicate its original home?

[stray grove]

Lifeblood Beast sealing seems to be ritualistic

[gentle aspen]

Abyss was the deepest point in Hallownest

[stray grove]

It probably prefers isolated places

Godhome too

[gentle aspen]

also yes the lifeblood entity seems to want people to find it somehow

the door requires being dripped out

like me

[rapid bloom]

It has a big liking of life, this Lifeblood/Plasmium

[muted lantern]

According to silksongs text it seeks out and consumes soul. While tk can consume a ton of lifeblood with no adverse effects, implying neither force preys on the other, is what i mean.

[twilit crest]

Probably because lifeblood needs a place to thrive uninterrupted, and places that are also close to the void tend to be less busy p

[rapid bloom]

To think that ||it can literally corrupt as much as the Infection is crazy||

[twilit crest]

In other words, likely coincidental

[muted lantern]

I hope that lifeblood isnt just like evil. Its far more interesting as a force of nature.

[gentle aspen]

truth be told I don’t think tk’s immunity is due to void

[rapid bloom]

It doesn't seem evil, it just seeks to spread

[gentle aspen]

I think it’s because they have two godly parents

[muted lantern]

What i mean is i hope it doesnt get revealed as just another radiance type god behind it

[rapid bloom]

To add a bit more to do this, it cannot corrupt the Knight because he is not really alive, he is made of Void

[whole holly]

This is off topic

[rapid bloom]

It cannot upgrade anything but to harden its shell

He also doesn't get sick like other living beings

[twilit crest]

For legal reasons that reaction was a joke

[muted lantern]

I think it makes far more sense if it's the void, nothing inside them to mutate and all.

[gentle aspen]

I mean void replicates the normal bug bits inside vessels

joni’s transfigures vital fluids
plus hornet is hardier than most with lifeblood

[twilit crest]

Does there exist any sort of “anti-void” matter in universe?

[rapid bloom]

Sea of Sorrow might explain how Lifeblood was made

[twilit crest]

Soul KIND OF but idk

[whole holly]

I like that abyss creature is elusive

[whole holly]

First light

[gentle aspen]

light

[rapid bloom]

We only have the Everbloom to counter the Void

[gentle aspen]

and that’s only to a point

[twilit crest]

The power of emotion in this case?

[gentle aspen]

that’s not really true

[rapid bloom]

The Void is supposed to be the end of all things

[rapid bloom]

The Radiance got devoured by it

[twilit crest]

What’s that

[rapid bloom]

Did it not?

[whole holly]

Name for ever bloom

[twilit crest]

Ghost chomped on radiance for sure

[rapid bloom]

If the being of primordial light fell to it

[twilit crest]

Oh cool

[rapid bloom]

Which is the opposite spectrum

What else can counter the Void?

[gentle aspen]

She’s not the being of primordial light

[twilit crest]

So light isn’t necessarily anti-void either?

[gentle aspen]

She’s a being of light

[twilit crest]

Makes you wonder

Begin the city of strep cope

[rapid bloom]

Then do we have any being of primordial light?

[twilit crest]

STEEL*

Do not go to the city of strep

[rapid bloom]

We need more on the City of Steel

[twilit crest]

I have so many theories but none of them are strong enough to avoid getting utterly reamed in lore chat

[rapid bloom]

We learned more about it in Silksong, so it has to be added in a DLC of sorts

[rapid bloom]

I welcome a debate

[gentle aspen]

It is, but only to a point

[rapid bloom]

Let's hear

[gentle aspen]

united void can resist light

but it needs said being to be weakened before finishing them

[twilit crest]

I think the city of steel is a dictatorship hell bent on defeating the void and becoming the dominant power in the universe

[gentle aspen]

rad the first time the tendrils grab onto her glows really bright and escapes

she still has her halo there