sk-lore

[ornate pier]

Trues

[sinful nimbus]

For Hornet not to understand this makes her seem very stupid

[limpid summit]

Dih ❤️‍🩹

[gentle aspen]

man

I should just ban this discourse

[twilit crest]

She ain’t exactly mother Theresa idk

[timber pond]

Clearly he was force to do this

[ornate pier]

I dont think the stuff about them being smelly is of any issue

[twilit crest]

Wait why? Nobody is insulting each other. Everything seems chill afaict

[dense ridge]

I'm sure she understands I just don't think she cares

[gentle aspen]

what exactly is your point

[ornate pier]

Maybe...

[sinful nimbus]

Which is worse because it makes her evil

Well more evil than she already is

[gentle aspen]

because I don’t like it

[sinful nimbus]

She's racist either way

[frigid belfry]

same 3 topics over and over again

[foggy fractal]

just like how they banned Lace and Hornet shipping ? interesting...

[dense ridge]

I love this channel
I love this channel
I love this channel

[cedar skiff]

well i just meant distancing herself from the weavers and their premonitions in general. the game goes to great lengths to showcase how she is striving to be different and how the characters themselves have prejudices towards her because of her weaver heritage and the slab flies could have been a peak moment to showcase how hornet is above all of this

[twilit crest]

My bad for asking about the slab stuff then😭

[gentle aspen]

always leads to someone making weird uncomfortable comments

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ Lace Age, Retcons, Slabfly Discourse.

[twilit crest]

Such as?

[ornate pier]

As in

[gentle aspen]

[frigid belfry]

someone i remember genuinely started debating if racism is truly bad

[foggy fractal]

guh

[timber pond]

That the slabflies as they exist can still do evil not because they are slaves lol.

[twilit crest]

Is that happening rn tho😭

[frigid belfry]

like nice

[cedar skiff]

i havent seen lace age in a bit

[ornate pier]

THEY KILLED lacenet

So probably that

[foggy fractal]

channel is healing ?

[twilit crest]

Go to general chat as of like three hours ago lol

[limpid summit]

Well the slabflies aren’t meant to be morally good

[gentle aspen]

“Can still do evil”
?

[cedar skiff]

and good because lacenet is mid

[limpid summit]

It’s just weird for Hornet to not acknowledge them as a product of their environment and instead fall to bias

[gentle aspen]

they’re jailers who are also being jailed

[limpid summit]

It’s out of character

End of story

[gentle aspen]

the whole point is that they’re weaver analogs

[timber pond]

Well, she didn't really know the weavers of pharloom. So she is pretty distant already anyway.

[foggy fractal]

nvm server still cooked !

[twilit crest]

I agree—I just also see it as Hornet being biased and maybe a little (lot) prejudiced.

[sinful nimbus]

Bell Hermit wouldn't fall into this trap

[gentle aspen]

weavers were suppressed/oppressed by GMS and suppressed/oppressed the bugs of pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

He acknowledges that everyone in Pharloom is a slave. Just like you. I'll waste no more words on a slave... Begone.

[frigid belfry]

hornet saw her own race in them and was disgusted maybe

[timber pond]

If you count parading around in another's belongings and kidnapping as evil ye

[cedar skiff]

she definitely sees what they did though

[limpid summit]

It is a difficult thing to enslave simply…

[twilit crest]

In a perfect world we could get that journal entry patched out or something.

[gentle aspen]

Which is why the slabfly commentary from Hornet sucks

[twilit crest]

But as it stands, idk it’s just another example of Hornet being flawed in some ways afaict

[foggy fractal]

if only 😭

[gentle aspen]

she doesn’t address the similarities between her people and the flies, she doesn’t note how fucked up it is, she just goes “ew gross creatures don’t deserve to breed”

[edgy nebula]

being racist isnt really a flaw thats just being racist

[sinful nimbus]

flawed is a generous way to describe her

She's flat out evil

[foggy fractal]

bug report !

[twilit crest]

Being racist isn’t a flaw??

[frigid belfry]

yo i jst mentioned ts lmaooo

[gentle aspen]

Plus it isn’t like Hornet doesn’t have these weird contradictions elsewhere

[edgy nebula]

no that's just being evil for no reason, a flaw in terms of hk id say is working to overcome something bad about hornet throughout the course of the game, hornet does not do this, and is racist for laughs

[timber pond]

Sure but she recognizes that's all In the past because weavers are bassicaly extinct at this point, and she herself chooses not to infringe upon whatever future happens. So really, its just fluff.

[cedar skiff]

someone here needs to lock into a career in journalism to be the next person to interview team cherry and bring this utter nonsense up

[gentle aspen]

Look at the journal entries for the purple hives in shellwood
Not
“Better not destroy too many, don’t want to ruin the environment!”

[twilit crest]

Idk if the narrative sees it that way

[gentle aspen]

and then she’s complicit in wormways

[frigid belfry]

they probably wrote it in as a joke without really noticing the implications

[twilit crest]

Fr

[limpid summit]

Joker are purple wasp hives an alluring power

I didn’t think so

[gentle aspen]

That’s the problem they raise these interesting parallels or contradictions and don’t do anything with them

[cedar skiff]

tbf they noticed the implications of killing green prince and changed that

[gentle aspen]

they just lie there

[craggy smelt]

wormways didn't really have much environment to ruin - it was dead empty caverns
the worms were burrowing through them, not evidently native

[gentle aspen]

flopping like a fish with an electrical current

[sinful nimbus]

Contradicting established Old Heart lore in the process

[silk dirge]

i feel like the good entries were ari gibson and then the bad entires william pellen messing around and adding goofy shit

[gentle aspen]

😐

[cedar skiff]

how so?

[twilit crest]

Right—hence my point about a possible patch alteration.

[gentle aspen]

“It’s not environmental destruction bro”

[sinful nimbus]

Old hearts sustain their respective ecosystems but for Verdania removing the old heart grows it for some reason

[craggy smelt]

I mean

[twilit crest]

He means it

[limpid summit]

Bro is a lifeblood core 💔

[frigid belfry]

wasnt this good reasoning for the fact that the green princes caused the downfall of verdania and not the citadel

where did that theory go

[ornate pier]

If team cherry ever does another ama it will be generational

[sinful nimbus]

That theory is nonsense when you take into account the dialogue where Hornet says its not his fault at all

[cedar skiff]

i think it regrew because the two halves of the heart reunited in death forming a new one

[gentle aspen]

Pilgrims used to travel it and now it’s a nesting ground for worms

If they nest there it’s an environment that supports life

[foggy fractal]

but what if Hornet isn't a reliable narrator.

🧠

[twilit crest]

Perhaps if we take Hornet as knowingly telling the truth

[cedar skiff]

green princes heart just being one i think is just gameplay shtick

[edgy nebula]

do we think new successors will come after the events of silksong

[sinful nimbus]

Also "Its not destroying an ecosystem its just torturing migratory animals" is uh

[cedar skiff]

but hornet just isnt a reliable narrator and we know this

[sinful nimbus]

Not better

[cedar skiff]

the journal is explicitly biased

[frigid belfry]

hornet shows little regard for less sapient bugs so its somewhat more in character

[ornate pier]

Do you think new species just spawn in an ecosystem

[twilit crest]

Mega fax

[gentle aspen]

again

[sinful nimbus]

Yes she is?

[edgy nebula]

except for the top parts, those are omnipresent and always correct

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet isn't framed as wrong very often

[twilit crest]

Oh man people getting heated

[frigid belfry]

probably not direct successors but "new" old hearts

[twilit crest]

Hydration check friends. Is your water empty? Change that

[cedar skiff]

she isn’t exactly unreliable but definitely biased as fuck

[ornate pier]

All of hornet's notes in the journal are actually lies! And we must consider the opposite of what she's saying

[gentle aspen]

Wood wasp entry

[craggy smelt]

are they nesting there, or traveling through it?

They ceaselessly churn through rock and bone without ever seeming to rest. Do they have a destination? Or are they compelled to dig forever deeper?

[cedar skiff]

and also not knowledgeable on pharlooms history

[gentle aspen]

Destroying the hives will limit their presence in the wood. Useful to me now, as I pass along the branches. Dangerous in time for the wood's order. Even a small disruption can tip a fragile balance

[gentle aspen]

shakra literally says they nest there

[edgy nebula]

how do you do this quote thing? im curious

[sinful nimbus]

put a > and then a space

[limpid summit]

Use

[silk dirge]

honestly i feel like they shouldve just

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[edgy nebula]

ooohhh ok

[craggy smelt]

write '>' and a space before your text

[gentle aspen]

text and a space after the pointy thing

[frigid belfry]

still much different risking an entire ecosystems balance rather than a decaying nest for unintelligent worms

[foggy fractal]

Hey Guys

[silk dirge]

made all 4 old hearts required

[edgy nebula]

cool

[ornate pier]

Hey so like

[cedar skiff]

but the skill issues

[limpid summit]

I don’t think GP should have been an old heart because now it’s like

[gentle aspen]

if she didn’t care about non sapient bugs she wouldn’t say this

[twilit crest]

I guess it all comes down to how the player individually views Hornet

[ornate pier]

Do you think we should exterminate all earthworms irl

[silk dirge]

i like verdania but its crazy its literally all for a single memento

[limpid summit]

Which heart do you canonically just leave alive

[ornate pier]

Because they are unintelligent

[limpid summit]

Imagine if there was a random fourth dreamer

[gentle aspen]

the wormways IS an ecosystem

[silk dirge]

menderbug

[gentle aspen]

oh my god bruh

[limpid summit]

I guess technically EtV you save all the dreamers and Quirrel

[ornate pier]

Some of these arguments bro 😭

[cedar skiff]

its just like phantom not being required for TE.. its because verdania is forgotten and discarded

[edgy nebula]

it can be assumed canonically all four hearts are killed, cause hornet calls it a test of strength soon to come

[twilit crest]

I said HYDRATION CHECK

[ornate pier]

Yes bro let's kill the worms because they're unintelligent

[sinful nimbus]

Lifeblood is very very obviously bad for its surroundings

[frigid belfry]

🤷‍♂️

[ornate pier]

Kill every non sapient animal actually

[sinful nimbus]

However you slice it Hornet did an awful thing

[twilit crest]

IF YOUR BOTTLE/CUP/EWER EMPTY CHANGE THAT

[ornate pier]

This will solve all our problems

[craggy smelt]

hmm
well, then they're invasive anyway, screw those things

[silk dirge]

i feel like lifeblood discussion isnt relevant rn bc sea of sorrow will probably change shit

[gentle aspen]

[cedar skiff]

i agree!

[ornate pier]

If they've fit into the ecosystem they're no longer invasive

[sinful nimbus]

Potential DLC

[ornate pier]

Animals migrated around

The world

[frigid belfry]

do we start powerscaling the morality of harming some ecosystems then

[silk dirge]

unless hornet just goes up to zylotols master and is like "cool shit you did in wormways i need more of that good stuff"

[twilit crest]

Change as in confirm/deconfirm theories then yeah

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think we should need DLC to fix the sloppy writing of the base game

AAA type release cycle

"They'll finish it after release vro"

[twilit crest]

We absolutely should allow writers to patch things if need be.

[sinful nimbus]

"Just wait"

[ornate pier]

If you were to get rid of dingoes in Australia it would fuck stuff up even though they only around some thousands of years ago

[timber pond]

Well, if you think Khann is Chad and crab should rule eventually leave him alive. If you think the Skarr should cope longer leave karmelita alive. If you think green prince should continue to live and Wallow forever, leave him alive.

Who the fuck leaves nyleth alive.

[cedar skiff]

wait what are we arguing about

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but the writing should've been good from day 1

[silk dirge]

stupid ass flower

[cedar skiff]

why is wormways bad writing

im lost

[gentle aspen]

me when I miss the point entirely

[twilit crest]

We can criticize the current game state but what does that do if we don’t allow the creators to make alterations, especially alterations informed by our complaints

[limpid summit]

I think the right thing to do is to leave Khann and his army alive

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is complicit with the Lifeblood thing despite knowing what it does

[edgy nebula]

leave khann alive so the "life anew" watcher at the edge is waiting for comes and you get an ultra beefed up khann battle

[sinful nimbus]

They can make alterations

I never said otherwise

[craggy smelt]

so why isn't lifeblood welcome in that case
it's made the life there way more resilient

[frigid belfry]

apparently it contradicts hornets moral code of not harming ecosystems

[twilit crest]

Have you ever made a game lmfao that’s a lot harder than it sounds

[sinful nimbus]

But the fact that it made it into the base game in the first place is baffling

[cedar skiff]

didnt we like know this anyway

she kills karmelita for fun

[ornate pier]

That's like saying Chernobyl was a good thing

[frigid belfry]

its okay if you dont get things👍

[cedar skiff]

it’s difficult to say…

[sinful nimbus]

Team Cherry has previously made a game with good lore on day 1

[gentle aspen]

It’s just weird to paint this as silly when this is a valid point

[plain gazelle]

hungry knight?

[ornate pier]

It's definitely not all positive the groms can't burrow and dig anymore

[cedar skiff]

and it wasn’t hollow knight

it was hungry knight

[twilit crest]

Youre gonna sit here and tell me hollow knight’s writing was flawless on day one fr

[wet oriole]

xd

[sinful nimbus]

Ugly Jesus vs Mummy but close enough

[twilit crest]

Tweaking

[sinful nimbus]

I didn't say flawless I said good

[silk dirge]

yall are sleeping on return to booty grotto

[timber pond]

@limpid summit the chat has spoken, Crab overlord should return and rule pharloom uncontested

[foggy fractal]

true

[cedar skiff]

wait yes

[frigid belfry]

comparing wormways -> shellwood is a bit different albeit

[twilit crest]

Semantic type shi

[gentle aspen]

I mean it’s not really positive at all they’ve been deformed with cysts growing out of their body

[foggy fractal]

return of the PEAK grotto

[silk dirge]

sea of sorrow is literally just gonna be return to booty grotto

its gonan be peak

[foggy fractal]

return of the return to booty grotto

[gentle aspen]

as opposed to bean?

[sinful nimbus]

No those two words have different meanings and I don't want my messages misconstrued

[cedar skiff]

i hope we get pirate bugs

and a sea shanty needolin

[sinful nimbus]

It is very normal to expect good writing on day one

[ornate pier]

Pleaseee pirate bugs

Naval warfare in silksong

[plain gazelle]

good thing silksong has better writing than hollow knight 🙂

[twilit crest]

Fair enough. But my point stands all the same in that there is literally no recourse left than to just hope the portions of bad writing get patched out.

[silk dirge]

add a water bell beast supposed to represent a seal and i will be satisfied

[twilit crest]

We have identified a problem with the writing, do we sit on that knowledge or hope something gets done with it.

[sinful nimbus]

I hope something gets changed I was just saying I think its dumb that something needed to be changed in the first place

[gentle aspen]

I mean
I disagree

[cedar skiff]

stargpt is going crazy today

[frigid belfry]

hollow knight didnt even have an ingame played through narrative story for the most part lmao it was basically botw

live narrative through memories merchant

[silk dirge]

grokpengu

[gentle aspen]

but that’s besides the point anyways

[lethal burrow]

we could just complain to people that are trying to figure out the story instead

[limpid summit]

YesSIR

[foggy fractal]

I agree to this disagreement

[gentle aspen]

there was a narrative in the first game though

[twilit crest]

https://tenor.com/view/ffix-final-fantasy-9-final-fantasy-vivi-garnet-gif-1844184830075216017

[sinful nimbus]

Also I don't think its very plausible that DLC will fix anything

[gentle aspen]

just because you have to do more work to get to it doesn’t mean it didn’t exist

[sinful nimbus]

What are they going to retcon Lifeblood being an infection too because that was also bad writing

[foggy fractal]

noooo it will trust the process

[frigid belfry]

definitely much less present that silksong though, and arguably less fleshed out

[ornate pier]

I do wonder how this writing could be amended anyway

[cedar skiff]

dlc fixing stuff is more plausible with silksong because this first dlc at least seems to consist of mainly cut content that was meant to be in the main game

[limpid summit]

I can’t wait till it gets patched and Racist Hornet appears on the third-to-last tier of HK iceberg videos 😋

[ornate pier]

It's really weird

[silk dirge]

hk lost media

[lethal burrow]

take your talk to General. I want to see what they would say about it. Isn't this audience getting stale?

[twilit crest]

Now this I genuinely don’t understand. TC can go into skong and change literally any aspect of the game they want. Why wouldn’t we expect that to occur in a hunters journal—basically a glorified text bracket?

[ornate pier]

It's pretty damn flawed but I can't think of a good solution

[mint stratus]

God forbid a woman have a biased opinion

[gentle aspen]

honestly considering the way HK’s dlc panned out I don’t think that’ll happen

[gentle aspen]

most of their stuff was additive and didn’t gel well with the main story

[limpid summit]

I don’t think HK had anything genuinely problematic that necessitated fixing

[gentle aspen]

that wasn’t the point ofc

it was elaboration on side content mostly

[limpid summit]

Hell they even went in and fixed “Void given mind” because it was wrong

[sinful nimbus]

Its not just the text they would also have to change Wormway's portrayal as a whole where Lifeblood is pretty clearly negative

[frigid belfry]

they dont even have to remove the inconsistensies, just provide small additional text to make it clear that hornet is either flawed in her thinking, or make it clear it isnt... "offensive"

[twilit crest]

Hk didn’t have even 1/3 the text in skong tbf.

[gentle aspen]

That’s not really dlc fixing things though

[limpid summit]

WL still uses typos though what can we say about that

[cedar skiff]

i agree really but sos just seems like the exception. anything after ill have my doubts

[sinful nimbus]

Also I just don't have the trust in Team Cherry to do anything like that

[foggy fractal]

nooo

trust.

[twilit crest]

You think skong portrays lifeblood in a positive light?

[mint stratus]

That feels kinda hand holding, you should be able to infer that dude

[lethal burrow]

Games shouldn't be made for everyone they should be made for one person and that they should change the whole game so you like it because if you don't like it that means it's bad and those are the rules

[sinful nimbus]

No the opposite

[silk dirge]

you should trust team cherry with your credit card number

[gentle aspen]

holy strawman

[foggy fractal]

nooo

[cedar skiff]

sea of sorrow will be given as an additional dlc for expedition 33

[plain gazelle]

i don't understand how we've arrived at a position where "hornet as controlled by the player is capable of doing bad things" is a "mistake" that needs to be fixed

[twilit crest]

So you want skong to portray lifeblood as a good thing?

[foggy fractal]

don't do that tc is evil

[sinful nimbus]

Yes my opinions are personalized for me specifically that is how opinions work, congrats?

[silk dirge]

every opinion is personalized

[foggy fractal]

wario ?

[sinful nimbus]

Do you want me to take into account how you feel for my opinions

[frigid belfry]

the point is that instead of making these inconsistenies where we have to infer if hornet is flawed or its just a writing mistake, to outright fix them is just a better solution

[twilit crest]

That is typically how communication works

[sinful nimbus]

That is never how opinions work no

[twilit crest]

Not surprised you’d say that

But w/e

[lethal burrow]

Using objective language when giving ones opinion comes with the implication that one believes their opinion to be objective

[mint stratus]

So you want her personality sanded down?

[frigid belfry]

not at all

[cedar skiff]

is something gonna be done about this convo

[gentle aspen]

I hate abiding to lore channel rules because this is a waffle pancakes moment

[foggy fractal]

so you hate waffles and pancakes ? shame

[sinful nimbus]

OK well A) The player isn't canon and B) I had no access to the information that Lifeblood was bad when doing a sidequest unlike Hornet

[cedar skiff]

i like waffles more personally

[lethal burrow]

of course, the difference between "I don't like it" vs "it's bad" is something some people have trouble grappling with, you can love a garbage movie or you can personally dislike something of high-quality

[frigid belfry]

i dont even know how i want her personality sanded down by fixing obvious inconsistent writing

[twilit crest]

There are two paths before us: the path where skong’s text gets edited and the path where it doesn’t. Id prefer to hope for the former, while grappling with the likelihood of the latter.

[sinful nimbus]

"Why didn't the player assume TC retconned Lifeblood into a malign infection, are they stupid?"

[sinful nimbus]

Qualitative statements like "Good/bad" are subjective

Like inherently

[twilit crest]

If you really wanna be a baller you can let this moment inform your own writing.

[sinful nimbus]

There are no objectively good or bad games/stories

This is just a fundemental misunderstanding of how opinions work

[gentle aspen]

as a novice writer I don’t need to want to be a baller

Balling is in my blood

[foggy fractal]

why not ?

oh ok

[twilit crest]

Speak those affirmations king

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not hope pilled anymore

[frigid belfry]

except the opinion of anyone in sklore which is always objective and right

[lethal burrow]

Well then I disagree with your opinion I think it's very silly

[twilit crest]

That’s a cross you must bear I guess idk

[limpid summit]

Team cherry is chronically offline they’re probably laughing at the slabflies right now

[foggy fractal]

stop doomposting !!!

[sinful nimbus]

Are they really

Blud they definitely saw the lifeblood fanfics

[silk dirge]

do you think tc watched the mossbag retcon video

[twilit crest]

Probably yeah

[sinful nimbus]

They don't watch his videos they only read the comments (just like me fr)

[frigid belfry]

probably making hk5 where zote accidently infers a slur in his hidden reversed audiographed voicelines (tc is fucking with us)

[timber pond]

the real way to live.

[lethal burrow]

anyway, I'm gonna go try to do lost lace rune rage only some more.

i'll come back when the discussion actually circles around talking about something in the story that isn't just star complaining about the same three things again

[twilit crest]

Be nice 😭

[sinful nimbus]

I have more than 3 things to complain about thank you

[frigid belfry]

wtf did star do lmao

[timber pond]

Ari Gibson is. William pellen uses the internet sometimes.

[stray grove]

I love making unnecessary jabs

[twilit crest]

Man people in this server are so fucking hostile doesn’t matter what channel

[gentle aspen]

haven’t you been warned endlessly for making jabs like thjs

[foggy fractal]

dw i am here

[stray grove]

You’re right Scylla pfp

[twilit crest]

https://tenor.com/view/all-might-one-for-all-all-for-one-deku-my-hero-academia-gif-26423801

[foggy fractal]

me

[twilit crest]

Andy^

[foggy fractal]

true

[mint stratus]

I mean it is the discord channel where all the people with strong opinions on the in game story discuss stuff

[twilit crest]

Could be that I lack server lore/context but how did it get like this? Last time I was active was during release and everyone was so nice back then. It’s only been a few months wth happened

[twilit crest]

You mean it?

Sorry it’s compulsory atp lmfao

[frigid belfry]

the same few people have common arguments, so they just develop passive aggressiveness in every conversation

[sinful nimbus]

Hostility is against the rules

[gentle aspen]

people were busy playing the game

[sinful nimbus]

I think some people misconstrue attacking someones argument as attacking them as a person

[gentle aspen]

And there were people doing this regardless

[foggy fractal]

dw I don't have strong opinions in fact my opinions are very weak please don't beat them up

[sinful nimbus]

But also there are some just actual rude individuals in this channel

[stray grove]

Like you!

[twilit crest]

https://tenor.com/view/boku-no-hero-academia-my-gif-23944702

[sinful nimbus]

A few of them like Silksongfan. have left though luckily

[twilit crest]

Andy^

[stray grove]

You chased SilksongFan out

[silk dirge]

🤛

rip

[frigid belfry]

you cant be saying this lmao

[sinful nimbus]

I don't regret it

[foggy fractal]

⚰️

[edgy nebula]

true

1. Respect Everyone

• Be kind, be respectful, and enjoy your time with this incredible community and game!
• No hate speech, discrimination, harassment, or aggressive behavior (in the server or DMs).

[silk dirge]

to the resting grounds you go

[stray grove]

Starpengu chased SilksongFan out of the channel he was one of my best friends

I’ll never forgive her never

[sinful nimbus]

THAT was your best friend?? 💀

[mint stratus]

I’m honestly only half focused on the conversation personally, playing elden ring

[gentle aspen]

They know each other so they do this type of ribbing constantly

[frigid belfry]

might be on you if you get chased out by star

[gentle aspen]

Ignore them

[twilit crest]

I guess the issue here is how to go about identifying when this rule is broken. Cause what is rude to person a might be everyday to person b or c

[sinful nimbus]

SHUT UP

[foggy fractal]

shur up...

[silk dirge]

yeah i love it when star and silksongfan get into the most fake sounding arguments in existence

[stray grove]

uggghhhh

[edgy nebula]

are rotk and star actually friends or do they hate eachother i cant tell

[silk dirge]

im like theres 0 way this is an actual conversation

[frigid belfry]

ohh that makes sense

[gentle aspen]

both

[silk dirge]

yall probably planned this argument in dms

[edgy nebula]

yeah ok

[twilit crest]

“Hey bro I know what’ll be funny”

[foggy fractal]

preplanned 😭

[stray grove]

I’ve never DM’d Star

[ornate pier]

Every message in this server was predestined 100 years ago

[sinful nimbus]

Good I have you blocked

[frigid belfry]

did khann canonically crack karmelita?

[edgy nebula]

no

[gentle aspen]

Probably not

[twilit crest]

This server was promised to me 2000 years ago

[edgy nebula]

we cant know entirelt for sure though

[limpid summit]

I’ll go spread the word…

[stray grove]

I hate the word crack

[sinful nimbus]

Joker???

[frigid belfry]

there goes my 700 page theory

[gentle aspen]

what

I’m tired

[ornate pier]

No and the ship is Kinda nonsensical tbh.

[foggy fractal]

go to sleep

[sinful nimbus]

Why you engaging with the question 😭 🙏

[frigid belfry]

wtf did crack do to you

[twilit crest]

Crackship is the term I fink

[gentle aspen]

I’m in the airport

[foggy fractal]

oh ?

[ornate pier]

Oh yeah

[edgy nebula]

ive never shipped them but i can see why theyd be shipped, theyre both warriors but theyd prolly hate eachother lowkey

[gentle aspen]

got my uncle put in prison

[foggy fractal]

waiting to board ?

[gentle aspen]

No

[ornate pier]

Of hates a lot of random words

[gentle aspen]

We just arrived

[frigid belfry]

?????

[twilit crest]

Alright back on topic

[stray grove]

Khann was a brutal dictator

[foggy fractal]

congrats

[gentle aspen]

do you know what crack is

[twilit crest]

Does Hornet drink matcha

[frigid belfry]

theres no way this bit of calling him anything but king is still going on

[ornate pier]

Is the Grass Doll actually just a Labubu?

[timber pond]

By me. Number 1 Ancient civilization fan.

[twilit crest]

I’m CRYING

[frigid belfry]

no im secretly a toddler

[stray grove]

You should watch breaking bad

[edgy nebula]

well he was a tyrant but we dont know if he was a brutal dictator

[foggy fractal]

mods ! ban this user ! TOS

[ornate pier]

I don't know jackshit I just thought it is funny to call him of

[frigid belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-staring-into-ur-shit-gif-245620313099290954

[stray grove]

Is… is there supposed to be some kind of distinction?

[edgy nebula]

uh

[frigid belfry]

not too sure " "

[sinful nimbus]

All hearts were brutal dictators tbf

[edgy nebula]

now that i think of it

[sinful nimbus]

The entire point of the game is that centralizing power is bad

[gentle aspen]

the fuck did nyleth do gng

[sinful nimbus]

Nyleth has no lore ignore her

[stray grove]

The hearts aren’t treated in the same way

[gentle aspen]

true

[twilit crest]

She made me platform :((((

[edgy nebula]

enslave a bug to protect her shrine

[ornate pier]

I would say karmelita and the princes are portrayed positviely

And nylerh

[sinful nimbus]

Khann is a tyrant

[frigid belfry]

did i miss karmelita lore

[ornate pier]

Khann is like the only one

[cedar skiff]

nyleth is a pretty flower :))

[edgy nebula]

clover dancers use child soldiers

[timber pond]

Bro likely said "if you cant fight fuck you you deserve to die" lol. Man is a litteral Gengis Khan Spoof😭

[edgy nebula]

same with karmelita

[ornate pier]

Don't we think this got retconned into oblivion

[stray grove]

Khann was bad because he centralized power not because he was a heart

Those things are unrelated

[sinful nimbus]

Hearts are centralized powers

[stray grove]

No

[sinful nimbus]

Don't play dumb

[frigid belfry]

in bug world its kind of completely different to discourse age.. wait. age..

[stray grove]

Khann centralized power because he was ambitious and built a large army

[dire lynx]

lace ag!?1!?/!

[edgy nebula]

child.. l-like lace?? oh my daayyyyyyyyyssss!!!

[sinful nimbus]

Hearts literally are the power of their respective lands dawg

[ornate pier]

But only 1 of them seems to be negatively portrayed

[foggy fractal]

is this reference to snail shaman line of don't play daft ? peak writing ?

[frigid belfry]

avatar cycle of debate

[stray grove]

Ugh I’m not doing this

[ornate pier]

Hollow knight world age discourse

[sinful nimbus]

I win

[gentle aspen]

at the barest most literal definition yes

[ornate pier]

When was it formed

When was it created

[gentle aspen]

the assumptions that come with that term? no

[sinful nimbus]

6000 bell tolls ago

[edgy nebula]

howd khann centralize power

[gentle aspen]

We don’t know, we don’t know

[ornate pier]

I didn't know of gave up so easily brah

[edgy nebula]

we should discuss what silksong’s measurment system is

[frigid belfry]

literally everything happened in a week in someones backyard (i am ari this is confirmed)

[stray grove]

By being an ambitious tyrant with a very large army and territory

[edgy nebula]

what do we think a beat is

[timber pond]

Some one will create fan fiction on the era of Crust ,im sure.

[frigid belfry]

30 yard throw

[sinful nimbus]

4th of a measure duh

[ornate pier]

All mortal bugs in this game have a bug lifespan and hornet is just 20 years old

[timber pond]

Drum beat bro

[sinful nimbus]

Oh no that doesn't work

[frigid belfry]

allathat god genetics just to live like a medieval lifespan

[twilit crest]

Hornet vs London era cholera

[gentle aspen]

musically measures are just groupings based on the time signature of the piece

[stray grove]

🤓

[ornate pier]

I would assume the bugs live twenty times longer than they actually would

[sinful nimbus]

yeah but what time signature vro

[stray grove]

Get this guy out of here

[sinful nimbus]

Its not 4/4

[gentle aspen]

we don’t know

[foggy fractal]

😔

[twilit crest]

What’re we arguing about now

[ornate pier]

Idk jack shit about music theory sorry guys

[foggy fractal]

oh oh where did higher beings come from ?

[timber pond]

The made up bug music meassure

[frigid belfry]

blackwyrm

[foggy fractal]

interesting !

[twilit crest]

I do. Fill me in on the context

[timber pond]

Hollow knight blackwyrm when

[frigid belfry]

when ari confirmes lage age and deletes slabyfly dialogue (never)

[twilit crest]

Lage

[timber pond]

Can't wait to meet this lage cheacter

[ornate pier]

The time signature stuff people were talking about

[edgy nebula]

lage is my favorite character in silgsonk

[timber pond]

Is that like lace zote edition?

[frigid belfry]

most coherent person in this channel

obviously havent played songsilk

[gentle aspen]

To explain time signatures the bottom number signifies how the note the signature is counting, quarter note being four, eighth note being eight, etc

the top number is how many of those notes fill a measure

[twilit crest]

Flavor text. Case closed. I’m so smart.

[gentle aspen]

or a bar

[gentle aspen]

Basically TC didn’t think too hard and asked larkin to give them musical babble for hype moments and aura

[sinful nimbus]

TLDR count to 4 over and over 🥱

[frigid belfry]

imagine if sos has a zoteboat reference

[twilit crest]

Perhaps

I’m leaning towards yes

But this does invite a little Investigation

[frigid belfry]

jjk writing again

[timber pond]

So like. Wouldn't it be counting to 4 30 times?

[sinful nimbus]

He was too busy playtesting radiant Shakra

[foggy fractal]

who

[twilit crest]

Joe

[sinful nimbus]

OK well its probably not 4 beats in a measure here

[edgy nebula]

i wonder why corpora clusters are called that

[frigid belfry]

mom

[sinful nimbus]

Because right next to it is "4 beats smokerock"

[timber pond]

So like 30 measures would be 2 minutes

[foggy fractal]

joe's Mom ?

friend of ari I see

[twilit crest]

Yeah she’s a really nice lady

[sinful nimbus]

Unless you read the stuff after the comma as denoting how many beats are in a measure ig

Nah that doesn't work

[timber pond]

Mabye drum beats are in the meassure

[twilit crest]

It really depends on the song itself

And not just the sheet music but the actual tempo of the song as it is being played, which we the player are not present for.

[sinful nimbus]

Over 8 beats per measure dawg

[timber pond]

Probably some ambient version of GMS'S theme considering its everywhere on a meta level

[twilit crest]

Me when I don’t know what tempo means

[sinful nimbus]

Tempo isn't really relevant AFAIK

[twilit crest]

It’s a song.. why wouldn’t tempo be relevant

[foggy fractal]

throw tempo out the window

[sinful nimbus]

Because its measuring in measures and beats

[twilit crest]

Tempo is relevant in literally every song ever written. Disregarded sometimes but always relevant

[foggy fractal]

in Pharloom

we just play the music

[sinful nimbus]

You can play a measure with a slow or fast tempo and the amount of beats are still the same

[twilit crest]

Hollow Knight: Whiplash

[gentle aspen]

Well this isn’t a song

[twilit crest]

Yes it is

[gentle aspen]

It’s a measurement

[sinful nimbus]

But can you please explain how you think tempo is relevant here

[twilit crest]

A measurement of time within a song

[gentle aspen]

not in Silksong

[sinful nimbus]

You said I don't understand what the word means

[twilit crest]

Yes it is

[gentle aspen]

These are being used to give orders to give amounts of something

[twilit crest]

Or rather

[edgy nebula]

we should rank every successor in terms of canonical strength

[twilit crest]

It can be interpreted as such

[gentle aspen]

In this context it isn’t being used for music

[twilit crest]

We don’t know that for certain and given the citadel’s efforts to keep their song going there are a lot more reasons to believe it is than isn’t

[sinful nimbus]

Just looking at the measures won't tell you how long the song will take

You also need BPM

Which isn't relevant here

[twilit crest]

That is literally what tempo is

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[twilit crest]

[sinful nimbus]

But the tempo doesn't change how many beats are in a measure

[gentle aspen]

you can read the dialogue mate

[twilit crest]

But it does dictate when those beats get here

[sinful nimbus]

4/4 at 60 BPM has the same amount of beats as 4/4 at 30BPM

[gentle aspen]

this isn’t tied to the threefold melody

[sinful nimbus]

Its literally just measuring the amount of smokerocks

[gentle aspen]

This is them asking for amounts of smokerock

or sweetsmelt

[twilit crest]

The fifth beat of a song will come later at 80bpm than at 160bpm

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah so

[gentle aspen]

it isn’t just music man

[sinful nimbus]

When to send stuff is measured in bell tolls

[twilit crest]

I think it is

[sinful nimbus]

Tempo isn't relevant

[twilit crest]

Unless the bells are playing to a song, which I think they’re heavily implied to be

[sinful nimbus]

Doesn't really matter does it

[gentle aspen]

okay but you realize how this isn’t relevant right

[twilit crest]

Even still, a small tune still carries tempo

[twilit crest]

It’s very relevant

[gentle aspen]

You’re laser focusing on the terminology instead of looking at the context

[sinful nimbus]

When the bell tolls for the seventh time you send a certain amount of smoke rocks (Measured in measures and beats)

That's what it means

[gentle aspen]

They are literally asking for smokerock

they’re not making a song here

[twilit crest]

In context we know a song is being played throughout the kingdom and said kingdom uses measures and beats to record time. Of course tempo is relevant.

[gentle aspen]

to the current conversation? No it is not

[sinful nimbus]

Its not recording time

[twilit crest]

Yes it is

[gentle aspen]

you are conflating two different things and going “see they’re related”

[sinful nimbus]

Its telling the workers how many smokerocks (physical objects) to send

Thirty measures, four beats Smokerock

[twilit crest]

That’s an original interpretation of what I thought was a clear concept

[sinful nimbus]

Where did you get time from

[gentle aspen]

okay but this isn’t a matter of interpretation

[sinful nimbus]

Time is measured in bell tolls not measures/beats

[gentle aspen]

you are not reading what is in the text

At the seventh bell toll, send:
Thirty measures, four beats Smokerock,
Eight beats Sweetsmelt,
Mark of fealty, all workers.

[twilit crest]

So why don’t they say “at the xth toll” rather than “at the xth measure”

[gentle aspen]

The text literally sends “at this point send”

[sinful nimbus]

They... do

Did you read the entire thing

[twilit crest]

They say both

[gentle aspen]

deep docks never says at the xth measure

[twilit crest]

Idk I think you guys are just dedicated 😅 which is fine I guess

[gentle aspen]

they always say “at the xth bell toll, send-“

Etc

[twilit crest]

1/how many locations

[gentle aspen]

because they are asking for items

not asking for a song to be played

[twilit crest]

Fact of the matter is we do not see pharloom while their song is being played so we cannot know for sure if the bells ring on their own or if they are playing along

[sinful nimbus]

At the seventh bell toll, send:
This is how they measure time. When the bell tolls for the seventh time, they send the requested materials
Thirty measures, four beats Smokerock,
Bolded is the requested material, how much to send is measured in measures and beats
Eight beats Sweetsmelt,
Bolded is the requested material, how much to send is measured in measures and beats
Mark of fealty, all workers.
Its unclear what mark of fealty is but its worker specific, might be an oath of loyalty or something

[twilit crest]

But I feel like there is enough evidence to suggest the bells play along with the song being sung at the citadel, possibly even to encourage smaller bugs to join in

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but like

[gentle aspen]

Yeah but that’s not related to the deep docks tablets

[sinful nimbus]

That doesn't change the fact that measures/beats are measuring how much smokerock/sweetsmelt to send

It just changes how often they send it

[twilit crest]

.

[sinful nimbus]

What does that even mean

[graceful grail]

Are trobbios eyes Fake? Or is he injecting color changing stuff in them??

[sinful nimbus]

Glasses surely

Or contacts

[twilit crest]

My guess is glasses or moth dust

[graceful grail]

Also, is he a butterfly??

[gentle aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-donquijote-doflamingo-dressrosa-marineford-anime-gif-19752754

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[twilit crest]

He’s a trobbio

[gentle aspen]

It’s that

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/doflamingo-one-piece-gif-23544733

should've used this gif instead

more aura

[graceful grail]

I would wager he is acting as a butterfly

[twilit crest]

That’s possible

[sinful nimbus]

Wym

[gentle aspen]

Doesn’t properly show a still of his glasses that doesn’t change

[sinful nimbus]

He flaps around with butterfly wings and all

[twilit crest]

Moths famously do not flap

[foggy fractal]

oh ok

[sinful nimbus]

Moths flap but he isn't a moth because moths are an established tribe in this universe created by the Radiance

[ornate pier]

They open wide in a specific scene with tormented trobbio so not glasses

[sinful nimbus]

So he has to be a butterfly (Which is what he was referred to in pre-release marketing material)

[twilit crest]

Are you implying that if trobbio is a moth then he’d be with his tribe?

[ornate pier]

He is also called this in the final game

[twilit crest]

Cause that would imply a butterfly tribe, which is also absent.

[sinful nimbus]

If Trobbio was a moth he'd be... dead

[sinful nimbus]

No it doesn't

[gentle aspen]

No, she’s saying he isn’t a moth because all the moths in HK are dead

[graceful grail]

His wings change, are they sinthetic??

[foggy fractal]

I don't think so

[spark pine]

Does anyone have any theories on the similarities between GMS and the Radiance? feels too similar mechanically and design-wise to be a coincedence but maybe im seeing things that arent there?

[sinful nimbus]

Moths are a tribe created by the Radiance, the butterflies don't have to be

[twilit crest]

All the moths in Hk are dead but skong idk

[ornate pier]

His depression changed the shape of his wings

[limpid summit]

I don’t remember anything super concrete

[gentle aspen]

That isn’t going to change

[limpid summit]

There’s a bit of a similarity in like the legs

[gentle aspen]

The radiance made the moth tribe and seer was the last one

[sinful nimbus]

Oh yeah he's called one explicitly by his poem

[twilit crest]

That seems confident

[graceful grail]

GMS and PK have more in common with soul connection and pale being connection

[ornate pier]

Yep

[spark pine]

i mean that would imply his eyes are contact lenses or dyed or somthn. I think its more likely he changed drastically as a result his mental state. Alternatively, they could all be theater props

[twilit crest]

Also possible

[graceful grail]

Ir the devs wanted him purple now

[twilit crest]

I guess I’m more just highlighting that it’s not necessarily concrete whether he is a butterfly or a moth or pretending to be either

[sinful nimbus]

Glasses moving like eyes is a fairly established cartoony trope tbf

Although Millibelle doesn't do that

[graceful grail]

He looks like the same bug as Pavo from bellheart

[sinful nimbus]

Why are you assuming he's pretending to be a butterfly

That's pretty baseless

[twilit crest]

Me when I make things up in my own head and argue against

[sinful nimbus]

"whether he is a butterfly or a moth or pretending to be either"

[limpid summit]

It’s hard for Maggots to get jobs

[foggy fractal]

shame

[sinful nimbus]

Are we just not reading the messages we send now

[graceful grail]

Pavo looks very similar. Is pavo a butterfly??

[foggy fractal]

I don't think so

[twilit crest]

What part of that statement reads as assumption? If anything it’s a clear statement otherwise. I think youre just jumping to conclusions

[sinful nimbus]

He has the standard segmented bug body

[sinful nimbus]

You suggested that he might've been pretending to be a butterfly

[graceful grail]

The antenna have the same bulge on the end

[sinful nimbus]

If we take this to be true it'd be an unnecessary assumption

[twilit crest]

“It’s unclear” = “Its concrete”
You apparently

[graceful grail]

Trobbios mask is half covered but its the same shape

[spark pine]

I mean in term of the bossfights. Spikes coming down from the ceiling and the sides looking very similar to radiances, spikes being pulled up from the ground to block of portions of the arena with a spiky floor hazard, and also being floating/flying bosses whose hitboxes do not damage each other. The only stated connection I can think of is that they both seem to be higher beings. I feel like this could be expanded upon in DLC/future content.

[sinful nimbus]

I didn't say it was concrete I was just evaluating the merit of one of your suggestions

Anyway my point is you are injecting ambiguity into something despite there being no real reason to

[twilit crest]

You think I said you said that?

[sinful nimbus]

He calls himself a butterfly

End of story

[twilit crest]

To you maybe

[graceful grail]

He is LITERALLY an Actor

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[twilit crest]

Sucks to suck but that’s not what I said

[ornate pier]

He was also called a butterfly outside of ingame dialogue

[twilit crest]

I’d appreciate a more honest attempt at understanding my statements

[ornate pier]

He is supposed to be a butterfly

[sinful nimbus]

What do you think "You apparently" means

This is just disingenuous

Or amnesia

Or both

[twilit crest]

It means you are apparently misquoting me as saying these things

I think that’s a lot more disingenuous

You should be more honest

[gentle aspen]

[foggy fractal]

hello joker

[sinful nimbus]

Despite the fact that I never did

Which is what I argued against

Maybe scroll up because it really is not that deep

[graceful grail]

These are not the same creature. Trobbio is clearly acting as a butterfly

[twilit crest]

Sure fam

[ornate pier]

Our brains are SHRINKING?

[sinful nimbus]

Different species of butterfly

[limpid summit]

Is she called a butterfly

[gentle aspen]

Aside from gender differences their species aren’t the same man

[foggy fractal]

nah nah our brains are transecending dw

[gentle aspen]

and she’s never even called a butterfly

[sinful nimbus]

I mean these are both characters that are clearly butterflies

[graceful grail]

Im saying they are diffrent

[ornate pier]

I can't believe bell hermit is the only real snail. Why are do his nephew and niece fakesnail!

[graceful grail]

Youre saying marrissa is not a butterfly??

[sinful nimbus]

He's the realEST snail that's for sure

I'll waste no more words on a slave... Begone.

[ornate pier]

A literal family btw

[limpid summit]

She is called a butterfly in a 2015 kickstarter update

[eternal gazelle]

he still has legs he's just more visually similar to a real snail

[limpid summit]

She’s referred to as “Marissa the Butterfly” but in game it’s “Songstress Marissa” so like

She may not be one

[ornate pier]

Yeah and nothing stopping them from being both butterflies

[graceful grail]

Im supprised is was a question if she was a butterfly

[limpid summit]

But regardless different butterfly species

Different maggots, different wormsc different grubs

[graceful grail]

So Pavo is a butterfly species??

[ornate pier]

Yeah ik im just poking fun at the guy saying trobbio can't be a butterfly due to not looking like marissa

[foggy fractal]

we don't know

[sinful nimbus]

There is no reason for Pavo to be a butterfly

[graceful grail]

Pavo DLC

[graceful grail]

Same species

[sinful nimbus]

They uh

[graceful grail]

Pavos cap is just pushing his antenna down

[sinful nimbus]

Don't look very alike in any notable way

[limpid summit]

Lowkey no star

I see it

[sinful nimbus]

Apple Egg

Curse you

They just have a bug body dawg

[spark pine]

actually pavo is turkey so trobbio is a turkey

[graceful grail]

Pavo just has a beer belly

[limpid summit]

Pavo and Trobbio just below Nuu and Unn in my connections list

[ornate pier]

Pavo could be a butterfly, his species is just not stated

[twilit crest]

That’s a good point actually.

[sinful nimbus]

He has no wings vro

[graceful grail]

Thx, he is literally an actor

[sinful nimbus]

He has wings vro

[graceful grail]

His wings are pyrotechnic

[gentle aspen]

why assert this

[ornate pier]

This is a family of snails

[graceful grail]

He pretend to be a butterfly

[sinful nimbus]

Dawg

[twilit crest]

Yeah and

[gentle aspen]

he’s called a butterfly by in universe and out of universe stuff

[sinful nimbus]

Why are we assuming he is merely pretending to be a butterfly

[gentle aspen]

you can’t use “he doesn’t look like marissa” when muckmaggots don’t look like maggots in hollow knight

[graceful grail]

Where put of his own words??

[ornate pier]

Two bugs of the same species or family not looking alike. Does not mean one is faking it????

[ornate pier]

Promotional material

[twilit crest]

It’s not necessarily “merely”. Idk why we are taking this tone. We should all relax a bit

[graceful grail]

Show

[twilit crest]

I say it again. HYDRATION CHEEEEEEEEECK

[graceful grail]

Me

[ornate pier]

It's in HK wiki trivia I think

[sinful nimbus]

That's not a particularly hostile word so I don't really get what you are trying to say

[quartz flicker]

I want to discuss the possible placements of the DLC either within the three Acts, or after them.

[graceful grail]

That isnt writen by the devs I believe

[twilit crest]

Sure you don’t

[ornate pier]

I can't bro

[limpid summit]

Any Sharpe/Steel DLC will have to be epilogue

[quartz flicker]

Although this is funny art, I think this is actually a plausible reason to think the DLC won't occur during Act 3. https://www.tumblr.com/foopsie-daisy/803078579394084864/shes-doing-anything-but-saving-pharloom

YIPPEE

Shes doing anything BUT saving pharloom...

Tumblr · Dec 16, 2025, 8:56 AM

Hornet needs to be in-character during the DLC.

[limpid summit]

I think Sea of Sorrows will be pre act 3 in part because otherwise WQ and TC are a little “less” canon

[foggy fractal]

https://www.teamcherry.com.au/blog/hk-physical-late-anniversary-celebration-silksong-mini-update
Master of the Stage, the Brush and the Voice, the flamboyant butterfly Trobbio seeks fame and adoration throughout Pharloom.

[quartz flicker]

There needs to be a good reason for Hornet to be fucking around in Water World.

[limpid summit]

I mean you could assume Trobbio saying he’s a butterfly is part of his act but like literally why

[sinful nimbus]

Barnacle Bay might be accessible in Act 2 and then it just gives you access to lifeblood stuff in act 3 or wtv

[limpid summit]

You could also say Trobbio is not his real name

[limpid summit]

To be fair like

[ornate pier]

What if he's not actually a bug at all

He's a plant

[limpid summit]

I thought about this

[twilit crest]

Trans trobbio theory GO!

[sinful nimbus]

A bit like how diving bell is only usable in act 3 CURSE YOU TEAM CHERRY

[limpid summit]

Hornet could speed through the hearts, get Everbloom and then just bum around and do everything else in act 3 anyway

[graceful grail]

I see it, it could still be him pretending to be a butterfly though IMO. I don’t really care anymore at this point.

[twilit crest]

I think it could be cool if sos takes place inside the corpse we see in the trailer

[limpid summit]

There’s no sense of urgency to begin with

[gentle aspen]

mate

[foggy fractal]

son

i'm crine !

[graceful grail]

Fine then the real question is if Pavo is a butterfly

[ornate pier]

WE are crine

[ornate pier]

Could be

[twilit crest]

Possible

[sinful nimbus]

He has no wings

[gentle aspen]

if you are making the claim this is a possibility supply the evidence

[twilit crest]

That we know of

[ornate pier]

But I don't think TC intended him to be one

[sinful nimbus]

If we don't know of any evidence for the idea then it isn't really worth entertaining

[graceful grail]

Same shape

[gentle aspen]

hornet’s the same shape as a vessel. Is she one?

[twilit crest]

Eyebrows, bro. The eyebrows…

[graceful grail]

But she isn’t the same shape

I think you meant to say zote

[sinful nimbus]

bad example they are the same species homeslice

[twilit crest]

Same dad is a pretty big thing yoire just conveniently not mentioning.

[gentle aspen]

oh my fucking god

I’m done

[foggy fractal]

nooo joker come back

[twilit crest]

Trobbio deadbeat dad theory GO

[foggy fractal]

what if theres another scam message

what will we do

[sinful nimbus]

Most bugs have a fairly similar shape

[twilit crest]

Once again hydration check 😭 we absolutely must be normal about these things

[quartz flicker]

Well, yeah, no game is able to force the player to stop fucking around.

[twilit crest]

Persona 5 Morgana says go the fuck to sleep

/notserious

[quartz flicker]

But if Sea of Sorrow is pretty big, placing it in Act 3 would still feel weird.

[twilit crest]

Did you see my possible prediction

[ornate pier]

Not a big fan if it implies memories honestly

[graceful grail]

Crazy Theory

Pavo IS Trobbio

You never see them both at the same time, they have the same shape, same antenna, pavo sings, cant reach Citadel without freeing Pavo.

It makes sense somehow.

[ornate pier]

Memories are limited in some aspects in the game

No currency items or drops can be used

Also no benches have been in one yet

[twilit crest]

Depends on implementation tbh. Pharloom is FUBAR unless tc comes up with creative (and inevitably contentious) solutions

[ornate pier]

Wtf is fubar

[quartz flicker]

I think you can argue that Hornet canonically obtains the Everbloom and confronts Lost Lace very quickly.

[twilit crest]

Fucked up beyond repair

[ornate pier]

Yes brooo I will use obscure acronyms and act like it's abnormal if someone is confused

[twilit crest]

The fuck you mean obscure acronyms

I literally told you what it was less than ten seconds later

It was the very next message

[ornate pier]

Idk why you used This emoji but honestly this is just nitpicking anywyas

[twilit crest]

I was just reacting 😭 holy shit can we chill

[ornate pier]

No we have to nolife this shut up

[graceful grail]

Guys, this is literally a possibility.

[ornate pier]

Anyways my idea for ss would be late act 2 to access initially with some act 3 exclusive areas

[sinful nimbus]

SS? did you mean: Shaman stone, Shade skip, Shade soul, Sharp shadow, Silksong, Silk soul, Soul sanctum, Sealed siblings, Sly's Shop, Salubra's Shop, Stag stations, Spore shroom, Stalwart shell, Steel soul, Stone sanctuary, Scream skip, Snail shaman, Slug storage, Sylphean Slug, Second Sentinel, Steel Seer, Superslide, Savestate, or Screenshot

[ornate pier]

I've heard of this same thing before

[ornate pier]

Starsengu

[sinful nimbus]

true..

[foggy fractal]

silksong

[twilit crest]

I think there’s precedent to suggest that the DLC can take place in a sub space of sorts

[limpid summit]

What is slug storage

[twilit crest]

Operative word being can

[ornate pier]

Not really

[sinful nimbus]

Some nerd #hk-discussion dorky thing

Probably something to do with Shape of Unn

[twilit crest]

Godhome

Also red dream

[ornate pier]

Godhome is a very different area compared to everything else in hk

And so is the red memory

[twilit crest]

Also, pretty much a lot of act three

[ornate pier]

The best precedent is actually verdania

But even that was limited

[sinful nimbus]

Ion fw godhome I hope they don't go that route

But then again DLCs don't leave many options

[ornate pier]

You still can't use items and there are no benches

[twilit crest]

You’re denying precedent, but we have so many examples

I’m not saying it’ll be good or that this is definite. I’m just saying it’s possible.

[sinful nimbus]

WP had benches

TC just suck

[ornate pier]

I mean like we don't really have any reason to suggest this will apply to sea of sorrow

[twilit crest]

The fact of the matter is, we have no choice, but to guess based on precedent

[gentle aspen]

I’m going to need you to either get proper evidence that isn’t just visual similarity or stop reposting this

[twilit crest]

I don’t think anybody has a problem with this

[ornate pier]

White palace has deaths count as actual deaths doesn't it it's weird

[twilit crest]

Even if it’s incorrect, it’s funny

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah probably because it has benches

[foggy fractal]

instead of godhome we get lamehome and instead of bosses described as gods they're described as lame

[sinful nimbus]

Verdania was kinda unfortunate

[gentle aspen]

it doesn’t follow channel rules so I am telling them to stop

[ornate pier]

Anyways let's be real the corpse is probably just a crest 🥱

[sinful nimbus]

It can't connect to anything since its a dream and it can't have many missable items either also because its a dream

[twilit crest]

There’s rules against making a possibly wrong lore theory?

[sinful nimbus]

Also there are still Verdania assets in Moss Grotto 💀

[twilit crest]

That seems a little… censory

[sinful nimbus]

I remember my brother asking me how to get to "That clover moss grotto area in the trailer" 🥹

[gentle aspen]

You need evidence here

[twilit crest]

But we just went over the evidence

Check logs

You don’t necessarily have to agree with the evidence, but it’s still there nonetheless

[sinful nimbus]

Never ask an #sk-lore regular where all the Herrah Drapemite believers went

[gentle aspen]

[twilit crest]

So what you’re saying is the rules dictate we have to convince you with every lore statement?

That seems like an original interpretation

[gentle aspen]

please continue to strawman

[ornate pier]

Hopefully this doesn't mean I can't say He will be in sea of sorrow

[gentle aspen]

not at all obnoxious in the slightest

[twilit crest]

That was a question not a Strawman

[foggy fractal]

no he won't because tc killed him

[gentle aspen]

I pulled something like this out of a pool once

[ornate pier]

It's quite sad

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[ornate pier]

Giant water bug/toe biter

[foggy fractal]

oh

did your toe got bite

[gentle aspen]

Ah

[foggy fractal]

joker

[twilit crest]

Anyways, I already said there is evidence to back that image. But if you want, would you allow to be posting in the memes channel?

[gentle aspen]

There isn’t evidence

[twilit crest]

it just seems like you personally don’t like the image which I guess is fair but

[twilit crest]

what makes you say that?

[gentle aspen]

the only thing that has been said are “his eyebrows look similar” and “maybe we don’t see his wings”

the latter is a claim and the former isn’t evidence of them being the same person

[twilit crest]

so you’re saying it must be stronger evidence in order for someone to make a meme about it?

[twilit crest]

You recognize the evidence as such, you just don’t see it as valid.

But I think that’s a matter of opinion, right?

[twilit crest]

Also, what happened to the people who believed Hera was an evolved drapemite?

I thought that was an interesting theory

I don’t know if I personally believe it, but it’s pretty cool

[sinful nimbus]

Nothing I was joking

I was also just taking the chance to call it a bad theory

[twilit crest]

Oh lol

[twilit crest]

That’s fair I think

[fallow ridge]

everything is true

[twilit crest]

This is a good example. If there’s something in here based on conjecture without evidence that joker can personally verify, does this mean the video is against the rules

[fallow ridge]

ok fine

[twilit crest]

Even if someone did the research personally

[twilit crest]

I wasn’t telling you to take it down

[fallow ridge]

oh well

[twilit crest]

Rip

[fallow ridge]

rip lol

imagine confusing people with that tho

[twilit crest]

Wdym

[lusty stratus]

Wait so did like higher beings just come into being

I bet it’ll be something like they were spawned from the coalesced essence of a bunch of bugs or something 💔

[foggy fractal]

we don't know

[twilit crest]

Big bang theory

[foggy fractal]

can the big bang beat the knight though

[twilit crest]

I wonder if higher beings spawned from the void

[foggy fractal]

I don't think so

[twilit crest]

Yeah probs not

But who knows

[foggy fractal]

TC maybe

[still sedge]

what if the moths are the masters of the steel people

[ornate pier]

Moths are dead

[still sedge]

oh

[twilit crest]

There could be moths outside of hallownest but it isnt concrete

So its best to assume theyre either dead or missing

Or trobbioing

[craggy smelt]

what if they're not

what if it's somebody else instead

[foggy fractal]

awesome and cool

[craggy smelt]

I wonder if the Steel Guys know anything about the dream realm though

they seem to be aware of pale beings and the Void, but what about dream town

[covert tusk]

Idk if it’s been pointed out already, but with Sea of Sorrow being announced I thought I’d talk about it again
EVERY other area in Pharloom by the time of aft 3, is voided out. EVERY area, EXCEPT the wormways, which have been flooded with Lifeblood. Specifically just lifeblood, as no enemy will be voided out if they are consumed by lifeblood, and no black threads can be seen in the wormways iirc. That and the Lifeblood chamber in the first game feel significant

[cinder storm]

https://www.tumblr.com/newbiehuntersguildofhollownestau/796616636878684160/one-thing-that-is-going-to-be-a-problem-in-the

Newbie Hunter's Guild of Hollownest AU

One thing that is going to be a problem in the aftermath of Silksong is the massive generational trauma Grand Mother Silk's reign have caused in everyone. Not to the citizens due to the cultic fanaticism and religious zealotry, but to the political system on society on every single faction in Pharloom.

We know the Weaver's rebelled against GMS, but they didn't fix the system GMS used, they continued it.

In other words, they end up repeating what GMS did. Which, to be fair, she is their only reference on how to run a kingdom and it works for their benefit only. Like they are now the new GMS and everyone should revere them the same way they used to revere Grand mother Silk.

It also does not help that their subordinates also don't like their management, starts to get angsty and do their own experiments with Silk. This is starting to slowly awaken GMS from her trap.

What I'm having trouble believing is, why didn't they go shut down the experiments and get rid of all that worked on it to cut o...

Tumblr · Oct 6, 2025, 1:07 AM

[keen raven]

how accurate is this

I looked up the differences between the haunting and the infection and ai decided to hop in

[midnight zinc]

Completely incorrect, basically every infected bug retains the skills it once had

Quirrel even says as much about the guards in the city of tears

[twilit crest]

Can we discuss cut content here

Cause I wonder if the bagpipers will come back in sos. Could be fun

[edgy nebula]

it overblows how advanced the haunting is and how unadvanced the infection is

like alus said the guards still retain their skills and some bugs can even retain higher thought and speak such as moss prophet

[keen raven]

moss prophet being the only one who can speak

meanwhile signis and gron were lecturing bugs in deep docks before we fight them

[edgy nebula]

well yeah but that's still a bug that can speak

[keen raven]

and the haunted citadel caste had written plans to capture hornet alongside all the other weaverspawns

[ornate pier]

Haunted needolin Vs infected dream nail dialogue is the best comparison for me

[edgy nebula]

however id still call the haunting more advanced, as you pointed out the aged pilgrim in the marrow was writing about the haunting while becoming haunted himself, hornet was able to be captured by haunted bugs, and signis and gron are still going about their work as usual

what it says is correct, it just blows it out of proportion a little

[twilit crest]

Makes sense

[mint stratus]

Half of it might be the bugs of pharloom being predisposed to being haunted because they got silk microplastics in their blood, making the haunting need less brute force to work

[edgy nebula]

the infected certainly arent mindless beasts but you arent gonna see perfectly subserviant haunted bugs either

[keen raven]

I wouldn't say moss prophet has any higher thought

he just repeats the exact same sentences over and over

and doesn't achnowledge the fact the knight (1# enemy of the infection) is in the room

nor does he seem to notice his followers are dead

[edgy nebula]

he has high enough thought to know about the infection and become a prophet, hes still blinded by the radiance's light though

[twilit crest]

The infection seems to be a whole lot less syndicated and sophisticated than the haunting

[edgy nebula]

yeah im not arguing against that, the infected just arent entirely mindless

[twilit crest]

I wasn’t arguing against. Just yapping

[keen raven]

the infection is just the radiance undoing all of the work of the pk
while the haunting is gms forcefully rewiring pharloom under her rule

[twilit crest]

Oh idk about that

[keen raven]

which part

[twilit crest]

First half mb. Second half checks out I fink

[keen raven]

the infection is stated to reduce bugs back to base instincts