sk-lore

[tawdry flare]

Oh goodie

[trail wagon]

Ocean, underwater area

New tools

Multiple bosses

[limpid summit]

Shakra doesn’t alr have a species right

I feel like she’s a little bit wasplike

What if she’s an actual hornet

[half zenith]

She’s literally some kind of stinging insect yeah

[limpid summit]

Eh I mean she doesn’t sting herself

[muted lantern]

the choir used to visit here, never noticed that

[limpid summit]

She’s got like

A tail?

[trail wagon]

We don't really know yet, but it's a cool guess

[tawdry flare]

Are we thinking water level segment or nah

[half zenith]

I think that’s an ovipositor actually

Some parasitoid wasps have those

[stray fog]

Yeah there are both weaver and citadel architectures here

[trail wagon]

Wdym?

[muted lantern]

she doesnt, people say wasp but her tail looks more like a dragonfly, which is why i say antlion because we see antlions with tails like that

[limpid summit]

Usefully for Hornet, each member of the clan also hones a Craft-Skill
Forgot TC said this about Shakra. Guess Hu honed healing

[muted lantern]

orange antlion is my favorite theory for what shakra is rn

but that will be confirmed or refuted with lion village i suppose

[limpid summit]

Ehh yeah depends on lion village

She doesn’t have the spots

[tawdry flare]

Is that a Weaver cage in the trailer? Are we going to see more Weavers?

[trail wagon]

WHAT IF Shakra is indeed an antlion, and we're getting their village and we'll see a wedding

:0

[viscid ridge]

I mean there's also the elevator on the left of the mount that was built by the choir

[tawdry flare]

Between Hornet and Shakra… you’re so right…

[muted lantern]

these guys only have spots on wings, which shakra lacks anyway

[half zenith]

My evidence for parasitoid wasp: note the long antennae and shape of the ovipositor (shape matches the ichneumon’s wasp most closely)

[viscid ridge]

Why a wedding?

[trail wagon]

Hornet and Shakra wedding, questions?

[viscid ridge]

Vespa also doesn't have wings and she us named after a wasp, so i dont think biological accuracy is a concern

[half zenith]

Shakra seems to be able to teleport and/or hold cool poses on the air so I actually headcanon that the wings are there but they’re just a pain to draw so they’re stylized out

[stray fog]

I support this

[viscid ridge]

Shakra and Hornet is the only ship i except

[stray fog]

🔥

[muted lantern]

considering what parasitic wasps do to spiders i hope not for hornets sake. hornet doesnt need another woman trying to give her parasites in her life.

[half zenith]

Nah I would think Shakra wouldn’t do that without consent, the author of a twisted bud focused fic played with it wonderfully lore wise

[stray fog]

What if the lifeblood outbreak reaches shakra's village and that's why hornet goes there in this dlc

They could place the village next to the wormways for this to make sense

[trail wagon]

And Hornet is half spider half worm half fork names after a hornet

[trail wagon]

Me too ❤️

[tawdry flare]

Pharloom Bay is on the opposite side of Pharloom from the Wormways

[stray fog]

The bay doesn't need to be the only new area

[tawdry flare]

That’s true

It would make sense for her to come from that direction I suppose

[viscid ridge]

I honestly think the village is somewhere in the marrow, cause i don't know where else it could be

[muted lantern]

hi birdy

Hornet and shakra is nice but hornet and second sentinel is also peak

since ships were mentioned earlier

[stray fog]

Its supposed to be on the edges pf pharloom

I don't remember if the marrow was on an edge

[stray fog]

Why does bro have 1 max health

[viscid ridge]

Maybe somewhere next to moss grotto, considering shakra trades with the villagers, but all the spots are filled with something else so idk

[half zenith]

If she is a parasitoid wasp you can have the ship dynamics get interesting. Does she have thoughts about Grayroot, about having kids (or not), things like that

[muted lantern]

hornets needle landed a little to the right in the intro

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i know, thats why im so confused cause all the edges already have something. And realistically she would start on a zone close to her village, but idk where the entrance could be?

[muted lantern]

im curious about these plants, some are wing shaped and then we have these plant looking snowflake puffs. Are the wing leaves from fayforns influence? we know powerful bugs even non gods have influence of their environment.

[viscid ridge]

No double damage mod lmao

[muted lantern]

the puffs might be snowflakes, but they look like plants

[stray fog]

I thought they were those flower things that float in the air

From dandelions

[viscid ridge]

I might be talking out of my ass, but i can kinda remember the art assets for these things calling them feathers, so i think they are shedded fayforn feathers

[limpid summit]

Fay Ferns

[muted lantern]

also wtf are these and why do they have silk

[limpid summit]

Actually what are those called in the files

[viscid ridge]

Just a plant that cathes silk

[stray fog]

It kinda looks like a spider made its web on that flower

[trail wagon]

Silkblooms

[viscid ridge]

Silkplants, but we see them all across pharloom not just on the mount

[trail wagon]

I gotta look up, I'll let you know if I remember to

[muted lantern]

if silk is from gms how tf are plants making it

[trail wagon]

Is that what the sprite is called?

[viscid ridge]

Read what i said again

[trail wagon]

The same way weavers do, perhaps

[viscid ridge]

Yes, all those pinwheel plants are called silkplants

[trail wagon]

This is snow

I thought that too originally

[stray fog]

Makes more sense

[muted lantern]

oh your spelling confused me, i thought you misspelled creates, not catches.

[trail wagon]

But it is snow

[viscid ridge]

I never said it makes silk, i said it catches silk thats in the air

[trail wagon]

A half of the bench is covered in it, and the other isn't

[muted lantern]

you said it cathes, to be fair, thought you meant creates.

[trail wagon]

It's because it's melting

The fire melts it

[stray fog]

What are those tiny crystals growing in the background 🤔

[trail wagon]

So it's snow

[stray fog]

Magnetite?

[stray fog]

This is why the game took 7 years to male

[viscid ridge]

and pinstress is also covered by it so its definitely snow, and snowflakes

[muted lantern]

also, thats a huge ass mask bros making

[stray fog]

It could be the ice stuff that you break

[viscid ridge]

The mematic crystals are all over mount fay

[trail wagon]

Prolly just a rock. Magnetite is a regenerative material that is able to reassemble after getting destroyed, and there's also another material, called coldshard, which is what Brightvein is filled with

[trail wagon]

And which is what mnemonids and memonords are made of

[stray fog]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-ego-gif-9709800945809453150 mematic...

[viscid ridge]

No magnetite is the magnetic blue rock, the grey crystals are mematic

[trail wagon]

Yeah, def

[trail wagon]

Mematic? What's that?

[stray fog]

Made with mematic

[trail wagon]

I don't remember that tbh

[viscid ridge]

Just it remembers its shape, i think hornet calls it that in the journal

[muted lantern]

i just realized gilly is probably wearing one of mask makers masks.

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I know what magnetite is, it's what the reassembling platforms are made of

[stray fog]

Time to interview gilly for lore

[trail wagon]

I don't recall this material

[stray fog]

I was joking

Do you remember the app

Mematic

For making memes

It had a watermark "madw with mematic"

[viscid ridge]

I do, but damn thats a long time ago

[echo venture]

I mean I’m pretty sure it’s the special crystal those enemies are made of right?

[viscid ridge]

Yeah coldshard

[trail wagon]

No sorry I won't know what that is

[trail wagon]

Coldshard, as well the Brightvein itself

Magnetite

[viscid ridge]

But how exactly are the coldshard flies alive? Those are truly a mystery

[trail wagon]

It's awkward that there's literally no coldshard entry in Materium

[stray fog]

Someone theorized that they were frozen versions of that bug you hit with your claw line to parkour in mt fay

[trail wagon]

Magic lol

[viscid ridge]

I think it will in the future, but we atleast have the tool so

[trail wagon]

Yeah, fair

[trail wagon]

It's also prolly the source of cold

[viscid ridge]

Hornet just calls it stone with mnemonic properties

[viscid ridge]

Ok i just realized

There is LIGHTNING in the bay

What in the actual hell is creating the LIGHTNING?

[edgy nebula]

me

i was the lightning before the thunder

[viscid ridge]

Its not voltwyrm lighting, like blue charged lumafly lighting?

[viscid ridge]

Idk if im gonna sound weird but this song brings me uncomfortable flashbacks of the squirrel 🥲

[trail wagon]

And clouds

Literally

You can see them in the background

[trail wagon]

In the lab* 🤓☝️

[trail wagon]

It's more like storm lightning

Almost like..

|| The land of storm ||

[muted lantern]

it's like shes in some king of "Snow grave"

[remote flax]

It's quite weird

[viscid ridge]

But the ocean is in a large cavern where exactly is the lightning coming from??

[remote flax]

Maybe static electricity or smthg

Or magic ✨

[dire lynx]

*voltvyrm

☝️ 🤓

[viscid ridge]

And what exactly do we think the new crest is gonna be? Like a lifeblood crest or is there any other crest that we saw through the years that it may be?

[trail wagon]

Eepy

[viscid ridge]

We already have plasmified state for all crests so i dont think a plasmium crest woul do us any good? But idk what else it could be?

[trail wagon]

Sky, or, perhaps, something different

I guarantee there will be some magic fuckery eventually

Ahahahha

[dire lynx]

plasmified shakras master goes crazy

[trail wagon]

Similarly to the Mt. Fay snow

[viscid ridge]

Nah i think its most likely gonna be charged silkflies or something

[trail wagon]

Cause it's prolly not from the surface, or at least we don't really know if MF is even connected to it

[viscid ridge]

Only magic consisting in hk is soul and dreams, maybe even void if you're feeling adventurous

[trail wagon]

Prolly Alchemist's Crest focused on some new mechanic

[viscid ridge]

Yeah thats obvious but what mechanic?

[trail wagon]

I bet it would be focused on spells, somehow

But differently from the Shaman's

[viscid ridge]

Also something about the lab reminds me a lot of first sinners cage, i don't know if its just me?

[trail wagon]

Idk

Why did you delete

The message

[trail wagon]

I also felt like it looked like a cage, but looking at the scale I'd say it's most likely just a structure

Plus it has Windows

And one of them is actually broken

[rich zenith]

Could the dlc be linked to the land of storms in hk?

[rich zenith]

Lighthouse?

[ember river]

A voltage difference

[stray fog]

I think its on the surface

Like a valley

Pharloom is in a mountain

[muted lantern]

interestingly enough since maidens refers to the pinstresses i imagine the term is often used to describe warriors, maybe sherma caller hornet red maiden is more of a compliment to hornets combat prowess.

[stray fog]

The lifeblood spire

[ember river]

Have we even seen true surface in either game?

Both look like they're still inside a larger cave

[stray fog]

Idk

[craggy smelt]

I say 'no'

[stray fog]

I assumed that the world had no sun

[craggy smelt]

underground forever

forever forever underground million years

[rich zenith]

Just looked up a video relating to land of storms lore and i think the silk dlc will have something to do with it

[sinful sundial]

is there any actual evidence to Elder Hu being from the same tribe as Shakra? I really love the theory, but I don't have much other than attire to back it up

[stray fog]

His fighting style

[ember river]

All we got on the land of storms is the godseekers

[stray fog]

Like the animation of his ring like things

[craggy smelt]

their attacks look similar - the glowing rings

[sinful sundial]

truee

[ember river]

Would be weird for Hornet to just be tossed into a completely different kingdom though

[craggy smelt]

also Hu looks a bit like some native Pharloom bugs, like those ones in deep docks with the shields

[rich zenith]

The video i watched said there was lightning and rain higher beings (pls fact check it)

[sinful sundial]

is there any dialogue to back it up?

[sinful sundial]

well shakra's tribe isn't from pharloom, so that doesn't help much

[craggy smelt]

I don't think we should assume Land of Storms just because there was a place with a storm

[stray fog]

Its true, but we don't know if they were actual higher beings or fake gods

The godseeker calls them fakd iirc

[craggy smelt]

it's pretty close as I understand it - I think there's a line about this in her items
and the deep docks bug I mean might come from a similar region

[ember river]

Those were the ones originally worshipped by the godseekers

[rich zenith]

The gods take revenge

[sinful sundial]

guys guys

[lone folio]

okay am I going crazy or did I just see godseeker technology

[trail wagon]

It's called the Lab, so prolly.. the lab?

[sinful sundial]

voided enemies have twice as much health

which is why the knight takes half as much damage as hornet 😎

[rich zenith]

It just seems like there is a link between god of rain and lightning and the new dlc

[trail wagon]

I'd say yes, Nameless Town is THE surface

[rich zenith]

Zote

Bye

Haha

[trail wagon]

I really don't think it's that deep

[ember river]

The looks kinda remind me of the bindings

[ember river]

Then why does it still look like a cave, with no sun or stars

[trail wagon]

I don't understand why people don't want to accept the Surface being in the place called the surface

[viscid ridge]

What did i say i can't remember?

[ember river]

Because HK's surface isn't a surface either

[trail wagon]

Who said there is a sun or stars?

[sinful sundial]

cloud

[trail wagon]

Why spells

[trail wagon]

What

[lone folio]

And the lightning...

Seems likely that we get godseeker lore!

And that etv is canon...

[sinful sundial]

because the knight already killed the sun lmfao

[ember river]

The Radiance is not the fucking sun

[viscid ridge]

Oh yeah, i already made my point so i didn't want to bother

[sinful sundial]

calm down jeez

[lone folio]

Or it means it isn't canon. Or we don't get anything related to shade lord

[craggy smelt]

it was the journal!

Warrior cartographer of a tribe from Pharloom's edge. Her skills in battle could challenge the kingdom's best.

[trail wagon]

Ohh okay

[viscid ridge]

Godseekers aren't the only lightning associated beings, as i have pointed out the blue lighting reminds me a lot of the charged lumaflies.

[trail wagon]

The lab storm shown in the trailer is implied to have coulds

[ember river]

Also this, lightning doesn't mean the gods of thunder or whatever

[trail wagon]

Although the entire thing looks like footage to me

I don't think it's from the game

[ember river]

You can make clouds anywhere, really, we have an entire area called "the fog"

[trail wagon]

Yeah, gods of Rain and Thunder

[trail wagon]

I don't think there were clouds

[viscid ridge]

It is a trailer, but it stil shows us a detailed look at the lab. We can see the lab has nodes for absorbing lightning

[lone folio]

Taking a closer look at the bind thing it may not be godseekers? Idk

[ember river]

Fog is clouds, be it of water or polluted toxic watery waste

[trail wagon]

And I don't think we've ever seen something similar to this anywhere except for the land or storms

[sinful sundial]

*the mist

[ember river]

True

[sinful sundial]

[muted lantern]

i love this pilgrim, they are so fuckin weird looking

[trail wagon]

Yeah that too

[ember river]

Still a type of cloud

[sinful sundial]

smash

[trail wagon]

What bind?

[ember river]

Wait where is it said that it's a lab?

[trail wagon]

Me too

[sinful sundial]

fog canyon

[lone folio]

Like the circular thing on the machine

[trail wagon]

💀

[trail wagon]

Huh??

[ember river]

I said the notch in the middle vaguely reminds me of a godhome bind

Like the uh

[trail wagon]

Ohh

[ember river]

The ones on top of the pantheons

[trail wagon]

No, it's not it most likely

[lone folio]

Like pantheon binds

[viscid ridge]

Do you mean the crest?

[lone folio]

Dang it team cherry you tricked me

[trail wagon]

The lab is most likely not related to them

[lone folio]

No godhome :(

[ember river]

The rest of the architecture doesn't really look godseeker-y

[trail wagon]

We won't get Godhome almost certainly

[ember river]

What crest

Oh wait

No

Binding

[muted lantern]

Team cherry could have put a third beastfly in memorium, i know that took a lot of restraint

[viscid ridge]

It looks like a citidel structure, reminds me a lot of the first sinner cage

[sinful sundial]

yall think the original owner of the reaper crest was part of the grimm troupe?

[trail wagon]

The Boss Rash DLC would be something completely unrelated to them

[ember river]

That's much more fitting with the overall design

[trail wagon]

No, why?

[ember river]

No

[viscid ridge]

Like the locks on the pantheon doors?

[old quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-grimm-hi-gif-22138420

[ember river]

The ones that light up when you complete it with a nail bind and all that, yes

[viscid ridge]

Cause idk what your talking about

[ember river]

Dude the pantheon bindings, it's not that hard

[viscid ridge]

Oh yeah i understand

[trail wagon]

I mean I see the similarity

But no, why would they be related

[viscid ridge]

Geez sorry, no need to be a prick

[ember river]

I said it vaguely reminded me of them

[lone folio]

Okay and is that blue stuff lifeblood leaves?

[viscid ridge]

Yeah

[trail wagon]

Plus there's a Needolin dialogue suggesting the reapers lived in Greymoor specifically

[sinful sundial]

because of how the reaper crest attacks look awfully similar to grimm. We know hornet obtaining crests is from her taking the person's fighting style and "soul" into herself. How would this random person fight so similarly to grimm without some sort of relation to him?

[viscid ridge]

Have you seen the acmi screenshot yet?

[trail wagon]

We don't even know if it's lifeblood, but most likely it is, it would be wild for it to be anything other than that

[lone folio]

No?

[ember river]

Aren't the reapers the ones collecting the silk?

[ember river]

The fuck you mean the reaper crest attacks look awfully similar to grimm

[lone folio]

Ohh this

[ember river]

90% of grimm's attacks are just magic

[lone folio]

Oh and that's the ball thing lab

Ohh

[sinful sundial]

bro stop swearing at me please

[lone folio]

LIFEBLOOD DLC

[trail wagon]

Yeah, I thought you were going to go to that, I think it's an interesting similarity, but most likely a coincidence or TC just not wanting to, what's called, reinvent the wheel

[old quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-hk-hollowknight-grim-troupe-master-gif-8052933694440937327

[ember river]

Trying to stop swearing on the internet is not a good hill to die on

[trail wagon]

I believe yeah, that's not what they're called in the journal though

[viscid ridge]

It doesn't, its very superficial. Yall are looking too deep into it

[trail wagon]

I mean no, it does look similar

I just don't think it means anything

[viscid ridge]

I think all of the greymoor bugs collectively are called the reapers

[ember river]

Again, which attacks exactly?

[trail wagon]

Yeah

[sinful sundial]

all i'm doing is asking you to stop swearing at me, my dude

[trail wagon]

Oh, yeah, I actually just remembered a lore tablet in Greymoor with the oath of reapers, or something like that

[sinful sundial]

the interent is not a good excuse to be rude. we're all vibing here, are we not?

[lone folio]

The upwards attack and I'm pretty sure the drill tool?

[trail wagon]

The charged reaper attack, and the one where Grimm jumps before casting fireballs on the entire arena

[trail wagon]

They're really quite similar

But I don't think it matters

It's just a coincidence

[viscid ridge]

All look very similar, until you realize its not

[ember river]

If anything that's coincidental at most

[lone folio]

There is no other connection to be made

[ember river]

You can only do so much with white slashes

[trail wagon]

No, they are kinda similar

[sinful sundial]

grimm + reaper

[lone folio]

MAYBE something with wisp thicket but that's a big maybe

[trail wagon]

But yeah

[lone folio]

Wdym +

[viscid ridge]

Whatch it again, its not, as said its very superficial

[trail wagon]

There's no lore connection though, as much as I agree with you on the visual similarity

[stray fog]

Exactly

The only basis for the surface being underground argument is that it "looks like a cave"

[sinful sundial]

I'm aware that it's all speculation. I still don't think it's an impossibility that they're related in some way

[stray fog]

But its always called the surface

[trail wagon]

I don't have a clip of them being shown back to back rn, so I don't want to argue about that, as far as I remember they're quite similar, at least when shown back to back

[stray fog]

The world just has an empty sky

[sinful sundial]

also whoever said there's dialogue pointing to grimm being from greymoor. I have no idea what they're talking about, but they're probably onto something xD

[viscid ridge]

People who try to make reaper and grimm connections, yall are cooking:

[sinful sundial]

thank you, thank you

[ember river]

Yeah, cooking crack

Grimm is the vessel of a dream god

Why would he have a place of origin

[sinful sundial]

a very skillful trade, mind you

[ember river]

Is the reaper corpse even remotely similar to a troupe bug?

[stray fog]

No

[viscid ridge]

Exactly

[ember river]

There's absolutely no basis whatsoever to consider something like that other than two attacks looking kinda similar

[stray fog]

Yeah there's not enough evidence yet

[sinful sundial]

I keep thinking your pfp is seth at first glance, then I get disappointed

[trail wagon]

The needolin dialogue talks about them being related to Greymoor, I believe, can't find it rn

[half zenith]

Please for the sake of everyone who has collectively decided Shakra is a wasp, be wrong about the antlion theory (I mean I don’t mind it if Shakra is but it’ll throw off peoples’ fanfics lol)

[ember river]

And I can bet my head and keep it that there won't ever be

[trail wagon]

No, I was talking about a Needolin dialogue related to REAPERS being from Greymoor

[sinful sundial]

aww xD

[ember river]

People are saying Shakra is a wasp?

[trail wagon]

Why would it throw it off?

[half zenith]

I thought it was just common knowledge that she’s a wasp but I suppose her species isn’t actually stated anywhere

[sinful sundial]

I'll be coming for your head someday then

[trail wagon]

It's not common knowledge that she's anything, tbh

We have no clue who she is

Unless there's a direct proof

[ember river]

She doesn't have wings and her master looks nothing like a wasp

[trail wagon]

Anybody can look like anything in HK and be anything at the same time

[half zenith]

I always thought it a stylistic thing

[lone folio]

Shakras kind of looks like a stereotypical hk bug but she's tall and has body segments

[half zenith]

“Fleas don’t look anything like fleas, they’re too fluffy”

[trail wagon]

These are all just the purest of the purest speculations

[sinful sundial]

team cherry designs their characters with bugs as inspiration. shakra doesn't have to be any real life bug in particular

[trail wagon]

That too

[ember river]

Yeah, and fleas are just stated to be fleas, if they weren't, god knows what we'd call them

Maybe still fleas

[trail wagon]

There's no way to know any bug's species unless proven directly

[trail wagon]

That too

[stray fog]

I thought it was because fleas live in other animals' fur

[sinful sundial]

yeah but they're named "fleas". until TC changes shakra's name to "wasp", that arguement doesn't really hold water

[viscid ridge]

Shakra aint a wasp, looks more like dragonfly, or more likely a antlion. But the point is she isnt supposed to look like anything in particular, shes just a bug

[trail wagon]

There's no reason why every single bug should resemble or even parallel any real insect

[ember river]

Shakra wasn't stated to be anything, if they confirm her as a wasp then she's a wasp, otherwise we can't really affirm anything outside her looks

[sinful sundial]

yup

[lone folio]

Antlion??

[trail wagon]

Yeah, that

[viscid ridge]

If Shakra was a wasp, Hornet would've definitely commented on it

[viscid ridge]

Yeah

[sinful sundial]

I don't see it tbh

[trail wagon]

Might be, she might as well be a Scorpion or a tallwomanbug

[viscid ridge]

Use the grown stage

[trail wagon]

We really don't onow

[ember river]

Wyrms are clearly inspired by the common housebug "Prophetical Divine Dragon-King Master of Eternity" though

[sinful sundial]

ooo that second one

shakra's a TallWomanBug

problem solved

[lone folio]

an antlion isn't even close to what she looks like. Neither it's fully grown nor larvea stage

[trail wagon]

Ahahahahaha precisely

[half zenith]

Naw she doesn’t look like a dragonfly or antlion to me at all, she’s not Long Boi enough, doesn’t have the trademark compound eyes of dragonflies either.

[trail wagon]

She might be that, or might not be

[sinful sundial]

nah I still don't see it

[lone folio]

They don't share anything with shakra

[stray fog]

Shakra's mother

[lone folio]

I would be quicker to believe the wasp theory

Because atleast wasps have segmented body's

[viscid ridge]

It matches my theory that she was based on a dragonfly, considering antlions look a lot like dragonfly

[ember river]

Besides, aren't dragonflies a thing already?

[half zenith]

…okay I might see your point but I’m still skeptical. Her tail is long but it’s not that long ya know

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but dragonflys in hk share traits with shakra

[trail wagon]

To me brutally frank, these don't look exactly like mantis either

although they do resemble them

[stray fog]

Bugs can be repeated with different looks

Unn and nuu
Mantises and green prince

[trail wagon]

But not like a striking resemblance, imo

[sinful sundial]

ok if they're called the MANTISES, there's not much doubt that they're disigned after the praying mantis

[viscid ridge]

It is have you seen shakra

[trail wagon]

What dragonflies?

[viscid ridge]

And once again its stylistic, not supposed to be accurate

[half zenith]

Consider: paper wasp

[lone folio]

Revek

[trail wagon]

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that despite being Mantises, they don't look exactly like them, so if we didn't know their species, we would just speculate

[lone folio]

Or whatever his name was

[ember river]

The green prince does look kinda similar to the male mantis designs from HK, and Unn and Nuu is clearly intentional, name and all

[ember river]

We need more Nuu lore

[trail wagon]

Do we know they are a dragonfly?

[viscid ridge]

Ignore the ghost if you dont wanna except it as a dragonfly, but my point still stands

[lone folio]

That dragonfly connection isn't half bad

[sinful sundial]

damn hornet really got the hourglass figure, huh?

[trail wagon]

The second thing is def a dragonfly, yeah

[sinful sundial]

*shakra

my bad

[stray fog]

What about the moth guy in sk that lets you play a target shooting minigame in the marrow

Compared to hallownest moths

[trail wagon]

Not really hahahaha

[trail wagon]

She's a snail btw

[ember river]

That's not the slab

[trail wagon]

I just thought about that

[whole holly]

Green Prince looks like Locust tbh,

[stray fog]

I meant marrow

[ember river]

Isn't the shell a backpack?

[trail wagon]

I don't think he really does though

[viscid ridge]

Cloth is apparently a locust

[whole holly]

or grasshopper

[trail wagon]

He doesn't have clearly defined claws unlike Traitor Lord

[stray fog]

If shes a snail, she matches bug type with shamans
If slug, she matches with unn

So my point still stands

[trail wagon]

That is more likely, but we already have Plinney

[ember river]

Oh, yeah, no he doesn't

[viscid ridge]

We do see some grasshoppers in queens gardens

[ember river]

I gaslit myself

[whole holly]

i mean we have multiple species that are unrelated but still both species like mites vary you guys

[trail wagon]

Yeah, but like

[half zenith]

If we’ve been wrong about Shakra being a wasp this whole time then we can have funny fanart about Hornet mistaking Shakra for a wasp (projecting hive nostalgia)

[trail wagon]

Yeah

[trail wagon]

Oh, perhaps she's more of a slug, yeah

Hermit slug

[trail wagon]

?

[ember river]

You mean Loddie?

[viscid ridge]

I always figured that nuu is kinda like salubra, yknow with the kissing and everything

[ember river]

Isn't he a ladybug?

[trail wagon]

That's a good point

[trail wagon]

Yeah, he is

[stray fog]

Idk their name

[whole holly]

thee can be multiple species with similar names https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Tarmite https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Miremite https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Shardmite https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Drapemite https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Mites

[stray fog]

My bad

[trail wagon]

Brilliant point

[whole holly]

thanks

[stray fog]

Oh yeah salubra is also a slug

[trail wagon]

I completely forgot about them

[stray fog]

So there's 3 slugs, and all look different

[trail wagon]

Also, Moorwing, flutenmite, mite, mitemother..

[whole holly]

i mean only one of them is confirmed but yes

[trail wagon]

OMG I've literally never seen these

[stray fog]

Same

[whole holly]

flutenmite?

[stray fog]

What are these

[trail wagon]

Are they from Queen's Garden though?

[whole holly]

i remember them, wow cordyceps made it's way in HK universe too, i thought

[ember river]

I assumed a parallelism with Unn because of her name (and she looks like a tinier, pink version of Unn)

[viscid ridge]

They are, they are right next to the pale king statue bench

[trail wagon]

Fluttermite*

[whole holly]

oh, yeah, you are right

[trail wagon]

OMG what..???

[viscid ridge]

Nah imo thats a reaper×grimm level comparison

[ember river]

Bruh

[stray fog]

Not really

[whole holly]

it is more of callback than anything yeah

[ember river]

Nuu is literally Unn inverted

[ember river]

The name is obviously similar

[stray fog]

The name matches
The species matches

Thats much more evidence than grimm + reapet = grimm reapet

[trail wagon]

Whattt

What species??

[whole holly]

???

[stray fog]

Unn and nuu

[trail wagon]

Ohhh

I thought it was about Grimm and Reapers lol

[stray fog]

Hell nah 😭

[ember river]

I think he means the general aspects are reminiscent of each other, they're both slugs with portruding black eyes

[viscid ridge]

Yall are reading to much into it imo. That logic would connect salubra with unn. It aint that deep

[whole holly]

Unn and Nuu aren't confirmed slugs tbh, Salubra is

[stray fog]

Bur they're very likely to be slugs

[trail wagon]

Why

[ember river]

Except salubra has a wholly different body than Nuu or Unn

[whole holly]

sure, ig

[trail wagon]

My favorite enemy, at least top 5

[viscid ridge]

So are all the fleas, whats your point?

[whole holly]

multiple species exist with similar names, wouldn't be surprising

[stray fog]

Anyway
The original discussion was about shakra's species
We got distracted

[whole holly]

Unn and Nuu have similar eyes, only similarity, name matching is fun addition, doubt it is meant to be taken seriously

[ember river]

Isn't the conclusion to that that it can't really be determined?

[stray fog]

I agree with that

Its just a generic bug, maybe inspired, but not exactly a specific real bug

[ember river]

I'm not saying they're the same, but there are clear parallels

[trail wagon]

We kinda came to it like 20 minutes ago

OMG

[stray fog]

My bad
I thought we didn't get a conclusion

[whole holly]

but those parallels likely end at being parallels

[trail wagon]

Unn and Nuu

[viscid ridge]

How? Nuu is more a paralel with salubra than anything with unn.

[ember river]

Sure would be fun if Nuu was an avatar of Unn because she really really liked Hornet but there's zero evidence to suggest that (or anything of such caliber)

[trail wagon]

You see????

Like

[ember river]

Yeah, still fun to point them out

[trail wagon]

Inverted

Cool

Cool stuff

[whole holly]

it is fun callback yes

[stray fog]

The unn and nuu stuff is cool
I wish we had more evidence

[ember river]

How exactly do you draw more parallels between salubra and Nuu

They look nothing alike other than having lips

[trail wagon]

I know I'm slower than any slug species

[ember river]

I realized it immediately upon seeing Nuu and had a good laugh

[trail wagon]

No, you're fine, the conclusion is that we don't know and all discussions are purely speculative

:))

Ahahahaha

But the most important question is what are these

Trypophobiaphags

[ember river]

Ancient bugs adapted to the void I guess

[trail wagon]

Prolly, but gloomsacs are described as predatory

They are predators

[stray fog]

[trail wagon]

And they haunt their prey by sucking it in basically

[ember river]

They may prey on the only other bug found down there

[stray fog]

What did they even predate on

[trail wagon]

But who is the prey?

[trail wagon]

Exactly

[stray fog]

The abyss tiktiks?

[trail wagon]

The crawlers?

They don't eat or drink

They don't have nutrients most likely

[ember river]

Yet they still have some energy

[stray fog]

Its such a strange thing that tc mentioned

Like what

[ember river]

They give soul when struck

[stray fog]

Whta are they trying to convey

[ember river]

And they still have mass

[trail wagon]

Hmmm true

[ember river]

That things are weird down there

[trail wagon]

That they're void, most likely

Void does seem to have a purpose

[ember river]

I don't think they're entirely void since, as I said, they do provide soul

[trail wagon]

So it just shows that they don't have these basic features of living creatures

[ember river]

while things like Siblings and Collector do not

[stray fog]

Soul in their shell
Just like vessels

[trail wagon]

Hmm true

[ember river]

Vessels aren't entirely void either

Shades are

[stray fog]

True

[trail wagon]

And gloomsacs are the only thing Hornet mentions being scared of

[trail wagon]

True, yeah

[stray fog]

Shes half pale
So she might be instinctively scared of void

[ember river]

They are terrifyingly simple

[stray fog]

Void vs pale

[trail wagon]

AhHaha

[trail wagon]

Two competing explanations

[trail wagon]

This one sounds most reasonable ahahahahha

[ember river]

I mean, yeah, she does freak out when the void gets involved but otherwise handles it pretty okay

[trail wagon]

Hornet has trypophobia cannonically

[ember river]

I mean, it's what the entry says

She's distrubed by its simplicity

[stray fog]

🔥

[trail wagon]

Yeah me too

It's scary as hell

It sucks you in

Why

And this thing is just pure insanity

[ember river]

And I'd be too, if a flying creature the size of my head that's essentially an elastic bag with holes worked by clamping at my upper half and slowly diggesting me

[stray fog]

Borderline trypophobia inducing

[trail wagon]

The funny part is that they used to not be void

[ember river]

Imagine one of those carnivorous plants that's just a vat of acid, but it's human-sized, flies, and there's no plant

[ember river]

Oh yeah, they vomited poison or something

[trail wagon]

They're almost like a.. plant?

[trail wagon]

Yeah, purple particles

[stray fog]

Wasn't that in the release trailer? Did they cut it last moment

[trail wagon]

Also other bugs used to bleed purple when hit too, so.. it could've been its own blood.. 💀

[trail wagon]

Yeah

[trail wagon]

Oh ko

No

No the release trailer

[stray fog]

Maybe they just didn't want us to catch on to the fact that the clip was in the abyss

[trail wagon]

The very first one, back in 2019

They cut it a while ago

[stray fog]

Oh

[trail wagon]

Like in 2021, iirc

It was supposed to be for the Gloom

[ember river]

Or maybe the abyss wasn't planned yet, it would have been easier to just not place any abyss monster anyways

[trail wagon]

A cut area that used to be there instead of Bilewater

[stray fog]

They said that hornet going to the abyss was their plan from the start

[trail wagon]

But TC decided that it's not good enough and blessed us with this masterpiece of an area

[stray fog]

And they made the game with that goal in mind

[ember river]

Oh, then I stand corrected

[ember river]

Bilewater is overhated

The music is great

[stray fog]

Deepnest was worse

[ember river]

Deepnest was worse off of visibility alone

[trail wagon]

Agreed, I literally sweeped through it on my second playthrough without a map, even though I don't remember the area too well

[ember river]

Also the tram area was terrifying the first time I went

[stray fog]

And it was disgusting
Bilewater is a swamp, yet it is less disgusting

[ember river]

It has these grotesque enemies that are ONLY seen there

[trail wagon]

I think it's ocerhated even more

[ember river]

Deepnest has great parts but it is meant to be creepy

And hard

[trail wagon]

Cause I've never felt scared or disguised there

[ember river]

The tram area was more because of the lore surrounding it

Workers cannibalized by the bugs around you

[trail wagon]

Unlike the.. waterwastes.. 💀💀💀

[stray fog]

Deepnest disgust is what I feel with irl insects

[ember river]

Flukes were the most disgusting bug of HK by a long shot

[trail wagon]

The worst area out of both games imo

I literally feel physical disgust

[ember river]

Screaming constantly in the waterways and running at you in some berserk rage

[trail wagon]

Like the first time I explored it, no joke, I was TERRIFIED

[ember river]

I felt more pity for the broodmother than for flukemarm

[trail wagon]

Samee

It's at least funny

[ember river]

Broodmother has a blast

[trail wagon]

Honestly I might be weird, but I really love both the Slab and the big fly enemiea

And the small ones from the Broodmother arena too

The small ones are just cute imo

[ember river]

Also why do we get to speak with an orphan child that's the only still neutral member of their species right after we make them an orphan in BOTH games

[trail wagon]

And the big ones have a cool design

[ember river]

I like how goofy they act

[trail wagon]

Who was the one from HK?

[trail wagon]

Me too

[stray fog]

Fluke hermit

[ember river]

Fluke Hermit

[trail wagon]

I don't like the skinny ones, they're just less goofy and more annoying ahahaha

[ember river]

That I have to give it to the flukes, she was way less weird than the one we got

[trail wagon]

Ohh right

[trail wagon]

She's chill

What I didn't really like about her is that she doesn't really give too much lore

[ember river]

Broodling is so weird

And not in the interesting way

[trail wagon]

I wonder if we get to meet them in DLCs

[trail wagon]

Ahahahha

[trail wagon]

What if they become a better and bigger Broodmother

[ember river]

I swear to god if Hornet saves Pharloom just for the Stilkin and the Slabflies to take over she will have serious regrets about not embracing the void

[muted lantern]

my boy!

[sinful sundial]

7,000 messages total in the silksong lore channel 😭

[stray fog]

How many do I have

I cant see it on my phone

[sinful sundial]

4,230

phantasmal bodyweightbuilder has 8,146 lolol

benji, our glorious admin has 64,860 messages 🥰

[muted lantern]

Who summoned me

[quick geyser]

Regarding the new upcoming DLC, it is obvious that Sea of Sorrow is related and possibly connected to Greymoor. We’ve seen something that resemble a scythe (which is obviously a reference to the reaper crest). And the covered body just further seal the deal

[hushed crater]

The way her eyes glow and how she stands looks like the avatar's eyes and some cover art I saw so we are actually getting an anime by team cherry called "hollow knight: The Last Silkbender"

[inner torrent]

I told you guys, lifeblood spire is coming

[sinful sundial]

the DLC will likely focus mainly on the cut area The pharloom bay, right outside of bilewater

[inner torrent]

Also it will most likely include travelling through the sea and visiting islands, as we see the boat sprite again, and the lab which was one of the islands from the files

[sinful sundial]

there's a small area to the right of the bilewater weavernest that has fresh water. I'm willing to bet my left testicle that it'll be an entrance to the pharloom bay

[quick geyser]

Aight bro 🤔😭

[half zenith]

I’m excited about lifeblood lore nuke because of how horrifying it’s shown to be

What is this stuff? What exactly does it do?

I’m gonna need to alter my AU to adjust for this plot point… I might need to make patch notes when it comes out if my interpretation of what happens when lifeblood parasitizes a fresher corpse conflicts with canon lore

(My AU is a lifeblood zombie hornet AU. Fun torment, I need to draw it more)

I’m excited to see if we’re gonna get more of Zango but like actually good… Lifeblood is horrifying and I love came back wrong as a trope

[inner torrent]

Like, more of Zango Zango or more lifeblood enemies/bosses?

[half zenith]

Lifeblood bosses. Zango is living proof of concept for what I think is a very angsty concept. Shakra’s master is awfully close to Pharloom Bay… would be a shame if the lifeblood from the bay spilled over and we had to put her back to rest in a cool bossfight (potentially with Shakra helping)

[inner torrent]

Woah, that would be a peak idea, but...

I don't think she is actually that close to lifeblood

[half zenith]

…lifeblood is known to spread virulently. It’s not impossible

Perhaps unlocking the bay and doing the DLC quest chains accidentally unleashes something terrible

Wait is Pharloom on an island? I was… sorely mistaken about the map

My version of the map put Pharloom on the coast of the other side of a mountain range 💀

Anyway I love a good eldritch thing at sea

[spring escarp]

Never kill self! Silksong dlc!!!

Life is worth living

[spring escarp]

Epic, wait a second why is this shit technologicsl

[spring escarp]

Probably the entrance will be to the right of greymoor somehow tied to verdania

[inner torrent]

We don't know, but in game files the zone is called "The lab" so is most likely the lab of zylotol's master

[spring escarp]

Could be, could be... kaybe his lab was overrun when he went ont he field trip

[inner torrent]

Spoiler tag in case someone doesn't wanna see the beta map?

[spring escarp]

Tragically too alte

[spring escarp]

Sick as shittt

I am silking my song vigorously

[inner torrent]

Ooh, never thought of that, but probably not, I think is more of in "The coast" or maybe this "Sea" is like a lake? Is hard to say because in far fields bottom we see there is a sand path that goes out of pharloom

[spring escarp]

wait they updated hollow knight???

[inner torrent]

The lab collapsed and the sea is mixed with lifeblood !

[inner torrent]

Wait, really?

[spring escarp]

Puddle of sorrows

[inner torrent]

Reaper Crest upgrade confirmed?

[spring escarp]

widescreen support!

[inner torrent]

YEEEEES

[spring escarp]

They made zote easier wtf

[inner torrent]

Lol

[spring escarp]

dithering support

Iirc acerola fixed the color banding team cherry doesn't know how to fix

They should get in touch or smth

[inner torrent]

Act 4, Lifebloood

[spring escarp]

Mfw salubra shuts up at max soul now

Holy shit seven million purchases! SO FAR

Plus millions on gamepass

Oh, new chinese translation

splendid (I don't speak chinese)

[inner torrent]

You think it will be as hated as SK Chinese?

[covert night]

someone put the possible entrances on the map #sk-lore message

one in below is where shakra sells the bilewater map

[coarse spruce]

does the line "Plasmium was discovered by my master at the farthest edge of Pharloom, hidden deep in salt-stricken waters" mean that silksong:sea of sorrow will take place in a plasmium lake?

[stark ocean]

i think that only says plasmium was in the lake, not that the lake was composed of plasmium

[inner torrent]

So lifeblood spire/the lab looks to be in an island so is probably that, it's surrounded by salt waters

[mossy jungle]

we eating very good ever since the release, there was barely enough time to digest it

[inner torrent]

What kind of islands do you think we will find in sea of Sorrows?

[whole holly]

i hope we also see Shakra's tribe

[charred bear]

I mean like

Lifeblood islands?

Or coral islands idk

Cant think of a place where they can fit coral towers

[inner torrent]

There is confirmed to be one lifeblood island, but I suppose there will be more variety of islands, supposing the game files aren't just decoration while we travel to the lifeblood spire

[median forge]

Yuh

[charred bear]

Oh what do the game files have I'm an unaware idiot

[mossy jungle]

It all depends on how they will want to treat the sea itself, presenting procedurally further destination from Pharloom in succession or if they manage to make it a massive enclosed space somehow

[inner torrent]

Sorry not game files but "Photos"

Spoilers for sea of Sorrows, Ig???

[charred bear]

Oh god that's lifeblood

You know what if there is an ending tied to this

[mossy jungle]

looks cool af and will hopefully give us one answer and three other questions lol

[charred bear]

There will be a secret ending related to going high on plasmium

[mossy jungle]

you can bet on it

[whole holly]

i hope we see more in Sea of Sorrows DLC than Pharloom Bay, i hope we meet Steel Assasin Sharpe

[jagged hare]

possibly underwater area

[inner torrent]

I don't have hopes for another ending until a "Godhome" dlc

[whole holly]

that would be fun

[jagged hare]

me and a friend of mine gaslighted another into believing there was a secret water-based act 4 and it may actually come true haha

[mossy jungle]

I would like to point out that the center of the cage is awfully similar to the symbol above the pantheon's doors, but that is just pure speculation

[whole holly]

i mean it wouldn't be far fetched to have another ending if they add another act, something has to happen to Void Haunted Pharloom, aftermath DLC would be interesting, especially with Plasmium in mix

[whole holly]

i mean it really isn't far fetched to have something similar, especially since abyss creature invaded godhome

but still that's speculation, but it is all we can do at the moment

and it is fun

[mossy jungle]

I mean, we can say with some cautious optimism that there WILL BE a Godhome equivalent

The question rn is if it is related to Plasmium

[whole holly]

interesting idea, people were thinking it would be related to memories, but plasmium seems possible enough tbh

since Godhome took place in dream realm and Plasmium has heavy connection to dreams, it would be great if they connect Song to Essence with some tool, maybe another elegy, since that would be cool not to do, and absence of essence is boring

[mossy jungle]

Also, I have hopes that we can expect this to arrive within the established timeframe:
I believe TC has learned by now how to estimate the duration of their work, and if they have some unfinished things they wanted to publish they can always put them in the next dlc

[whole holly]

and we don't get needolin dialogue of many characters, which makes needolin similar to Dream Nail(without Awakening/Essence)

[inner torrent]

Act 4. Lifeblood

[whole holly]

cool

anyways this was fun gtg guys

[inner torrent]

That gives me an idea.

Elegy of the Rise.

By using needoling + clawline hornet will start singing while charging silk around, after that she will rise into a "Dream section"

[hexed kindle]

I TOLD YALL WE WOULD GET PHARLOOM BAY DLC

I TOLD YALL

Mfs said no we won't its cut content

[dire lynx]

many of us have said it, myself included

[hexed kindle]

Alot of people said no

[frosty gate]

Canonically accurate Rudo attitude

[hexed kindle]

😭

[sharp torrent]

What is hornet's kill count?

[knotty quail]

Hornet doesn't have a "kill count" in the traditional sense

[inner torrent]

I KNEW TOO

[ember river]

Why the fuck are you stalking me

[sinful sundial]

That's not stalking mate

[cedar sandal]

||I find Embrace the void more canon to silksong than dream no more because during act 3 ending, we see the shade lord and also THK's shade is not present which it should have been if the ending that took place in HK was dream no more.
We see Shade lord only briefly, a small flash, that can be explained by the fact that the vessels are no longer in Hallownest, thus out of godseekers radius, thus unable to maintain the form they acquired by resonating with the godseekers||

[frosty gate]

You can talk without spoiler tags here

[cedar sandal]

There is no explanation for Shade lord being present if the ending that took place was dream no more
the vessels being present can still happen if embrace the void took place due to that explanation

@sturdy coral

The thing about dream no more that I do like is that it does parallel silksongs act 3 ending

[sturdy coral]

I would have thought of dream no more because even tho the shade lord is not explicitly seen during the radiance kill, the void being present means it can take the form of the shade lord during act 3 ending, but yeah your argument makes sense

[cedar sandal]

Dream no more: Hornet wakes up, looks around to see the Knights broken mask, another one lost to the abyss.
Sister of the void: Hornet wakes up, looks around to see lace completely fine, "this one the void shall not take"(lost lace journal entry)

[sturdy coral]

I have a disadvantage here cuz i rarely play silksong, but whatever

I wouldn't say that the knight was lost to the abyss, but rather he unified it, as stated in voidheart charm. It wouldn't be reasonable for the knight to be lost to something it can unite and now control, thus allowing it's appearance in act 3

[cedar sandal]

The way I see it, and I may be slightly romanticizing it, thats not what being lost to the abyss means
The Vessels are not pure, none of them are pure, they all have thoughts and feeling, heavily diluted maybe, but they still feel.
The mere fact that they were used as pawns to defeat this godly infection is in itself being lost to the abyss.
These bugs should have never been treated that way, these bugs deserved 'normal' lives, like Hornet has her life.
I don't see The Knight becoming some godly god eating entity as a 'good' fate.

And PK also died to the abyss(Heavily implied than confirmed but still)

So I LOVE

Hornets journal entry about Lost Lace

entire family lost to the abyss, so she will not allow lace or the entire kingdom of pharloom to suffer a similar fate

[sturdy coral]

That is really cool

But also, it may not be a good fate to become a godly god eating entity but it's the vessel's main goal to destroy the godly infection in itself. So becoming an entity that destroys the enemy is simply obeying the mission given

[cedar sandal]

Dream no more vs Embrace the void for me is just "This is so thematically peak fiction oh my goodness I am gonna cry vs This makes more sense"

[sturdy coral]

Even after they beat the infection, they would have no more thought and purpose, so it would be an aimless life until they die

[sturdy coral]

Lol

[ember river]

That's said a billion times before, but that flash is more of a reference than anything. The truth is there's no canon ending between DNM and ETV.
Technically we don't even know if the Void Given Focus is permanent, which would make it impossible to manifest as Void Given Form

[lethal burrow]

it's clearly intended it to be ambiguous so either way so eh

[cedar sandal]

I agree that no ending is canon to silksong out of those two, was only explaining why I believe ETV makes more sense to me.
As for the flash being a reference, I don't like such explanations in any form of fiction really,

[lethal burrow]

It's been malefactor constructed so that it could be either one

[whole holly]

sea of sorrows looks similar thematically to godseeker in waterways, and plasmium as well

Gods of Thunder and Gods or Rain in land of storms will be interesting, maybe it will take place outside Pharloom clearly, and we see both storm and rain

[cedar sandal]

if something is so clearly shown to us then just playing it off as reference is something I find harsh.
But I am also one who believes everything has a reason and analyzes everything

[whole holly]

personally i am hopefull

[sturdy coral]

All theorists in a nutshell

Also W explanation

[cedar sandal]

oh wait cook

I completely forgor about the gods of thunder and rain

[sturdy coral]

YES

Your cooking

[lethal burrow]

theory: the lifeblood tower will have a little room with a God secret locked inside just like how the life blood creature was locked inside a room in God home

[whole holly]

well it is speculation but it looks generic but also thematically similar, Team Cherry has hidden somethings before

i guess people will be rightfully skeptical of this, i personally hoped for Moss Druid and Wisp Thicket closure, but that's okay

[lethal burrow]

I just find the idea very funny of like a God seeker being trapped in a little cage in a lifeblood area as an inverse of how it was between the two in hollow knight

(also I think maybe it's likely the life blood creature only got into God home because a God seeker got infected with life blood)

[ember river]

Well, if you want a deeper, less meta explanation then it can be attributed to VGFocus being the ultimate form the knight can adopt, it is the final expression of the Void Heart, and the power it commands, while VGForm is the shape it has right now, its shade

I really don't think godseekers will be involved in the DLC

[whole holly]

they had unique relationship in godhome to say least, it didn't get dedicated godhome room, but lifeblood room was unlocked by completing bindings which is weird and very isolated incident that requires explanation

[sturdy coral]

Whats the difference? Doesnt VGFocus and VGForm have the same power?

[lethal burrow]

I think we'll get it

[cedar sandal]

vgfocus is shade lord
vgform is The Knight with tendrils

[sturdy coral]

Its shade?

[whole holly]

that's fair, they did die most likely but i think Land of Storms can be expanded and we might get closure, plus Godseeker's Memory where we get weathered mask looks identical it nameless village where we descend to pharloom, area is very eerily similar, not that far fetched to imagine

[ember river]

Not really, Focus just kills the Radiance by itself, it doesn't send her to the void to wither away, it just tears her open and obliterates her. Form, while still very capable of subduing her, can't quite reach that level of power

[whole holly]

but i respect all opinions regarding this given how little information we have

[dreamy onyx]

It's funny how technically the first ending could be canon to Silksong is you just beat GMS

[whole holly]

but Team Cherry is really hard at work, aren't they, they might address things loremasters were frustrated by

[ember river]

I didn't find it that similar to begin with, most basic regions in Hollow Knight are quite similar anyways.
Also I don't remember the dialogue about the gods of rain and gods of thunder but didn't they abandon the seekers? Or they were proven weak or something?

[sturdy coral]

Oh form is seen in dNM Ending rite

[ember river]

I also found the architecture of that building much closer to the Citadel than to Godhome

[cedar sandal]

Oh we are gonna get our answers
and then we also get 30 other mysteries which we can be mad about

[sturdy coral]

I believe the seekers were abandoned yes

[ember river]

Yeah, DNM shows Void Given Form, EtV shows Void Given Focus

[cedar sandal]

well, godhome does have architect similar to Citadel. Could just be coincidence but hm..........................

ehe

[sturdy coral]

Wait what if godhome was just the godseeker's memory of pharloom's citadel

[cedar sandal]

We also have hot springs in Citadel...

[whole holly]

they look structurally identical, but seeker's being abandoned is not why we are excited though, we are excited by fact that we might get information, but if they are false gods, i think they might be similar to powerwise to Old Hearts

[ember river]

I didn't find it that similar outside that it's gilded

[whole holly]

there are bound to be differences tbh

[cedar sandal]

Actually we have hot springs in hallownest too what am I even saying

[sturdy coral]

Maybe the godseekers are from the pharloomz citadel and godhome is just how they remember it?

[stray fog]

Wait do silksong hot springs also regenerate silk

[sturdy coral]

Ok i feel stupid that is more than a stretch

[cedar sandal]

Seekers are from land of storm and rain, so no,

[ember river]

Yes

[cedar sandal]

Unless you wanna stretch and say that pre gms and pre khan nyleth etc, pharloom was the land of storm and rain

[stray fog]

I wonder if there is lore behind hot springs

Generating soul

[ember river]

They have soul or something, I dunno

[sturdy coral]

Thats what im tryna say, they have similar architecture

[cedar sandal]

Prob have soul
even air has soul in it

[sturdy coral]

I mean the citadel

[whole holly]

lands of storm is likely at edges of pharloom, given pharloom bay and Godseeker's seemingly avoided Citadel/Pharloom and travelled via nameless village

[ember river]

The citadel was built when GMS was around

GMS and no other gods

[stray fog]

Do we know that the godseekers crossed pharloom

[ember river]

Again, they barely have any similarities other than being gilded

[lethal burrow]

eh the judges have a similar head shape thing

[ember river]

Where are you getting this from

[whole holly]

Hallownest? did you mean Pharloom?

[stray fog]

Yeah pharloom

[whole holly]

Nameless Village being similar to where we found weathered mask

[stray fog]

Thats just what the surface looks like imo

[ember river]

Every single basic location looks the same

[whole holly]

i am not claiming it is fact btw

[stray fog]

Grey barren rocks

And wind

[cedar sandal]

actually, if it was at the edges of Pharloom bay then would they have not heard of GMS, and want to resonate with her?

[ember river]

The entrance to Hallownest looks similar as well

A barren wasteland of nothingness

And dust and rock

[whole holly]

i mean they are morphed the same, where we descend is where godseeker's head is

[cedar sandal]

Surely gms isn't so bad that even the godseekers didn't want her

[stray fog]

True

I still can't bring myself to believe in this theory

[sturdy coral]

Do we have proof that the godseekers ever crossed pharloom?

[whole holly]

i meant tuner memory not weathered mask memory i got it mixed up, but both memories do look distinct despite being both in wastes presumably, however, Tuner memory looks morphologically identical to part of Nameless village where we descend

but it is still speculation

[sturdy coral]

Godtuner and seeker are seperate entities?

[cedar sandal]

Isn't godtuner a item from which godseeker used to detect gods

[sturdy coral]

Im dumb. I forgot that

[lethal burrow]

tuner is a tool

[sturdy coral]

IFORGOR

Why doesn't the godseeker have her tuner?

[cedar sandal]

they don't need it anymore

they can detect gods without it at the time of HK

so they gave it to the Knight

or moreso the Knight picked it up and they were like "sure ig"

[lethal burrow]

they didn't need their compass. They had already arrived at their destination. oh

[sturdy coral]

Not like they could do anything, even if they protested, they recognize the knight as God of Gods so they cant really fight him lol

[dreamy onyx]

What are the actual borders of Pharloom? like if Pharloom was an actual political entity, which regions do you think wouldn't be a part of it?

[lethal burrow]

at what time?

[dreamy onyx]

The only ones I can think of are Hunter's March, Sands of Karak, and Bilewater

[cedar sandal]

The Abyss
Coral and verdania at some point in time

[dreamy onyx]

The time right before the Haunting

[cedar sandal]

Hunters march too

[dreamy onyx]

Oh yeah Verdania definetly

I don't think they ever considered Verdania part of their kingdom

[cedar sandal]

right before the haunting as in before gms went to sleep?
everything is part of pharloom by that point except the abyss

[dreamy onyx]

No like before she began controlling bugs

I guess it could also count as the present in some way

[sturdy coral]

Yall, since zote's sword is made up of shellwood, which is seen in silksong, do we have evidence that at some point in time, pharloom thought of perfect soldiers after seeing what hallownest was attempting, and made zote?

[dreamy onyx]

I'd guess Blasted Steps was annexed from the Karakans after they were either defeated or when their river dried up

[cedar sandal]

No.

[sturdy coral]

Unfortunate

[cedar sandal]

The Karakans were actually goated....Only lost when their lifeforce died.
Gms is a Khann victim you can't tell me otherwise....

[whole holly]

looks too similar in my opinion

anyone agree?

[sturdy coral]

It does, could be coincidental

[lethal burrow]

well yeah but I don't think that's indicative of anything since the wastes often look similar

[dreamy onyx]

Crazy enough I actually fw the idea that Zote is the son of Greyroot
The grey motif, his weapon being made out of Shellwood, his dislike of mothers, all are reasons... also, if Pharloom Bay goes east enough to connect to the western edge of Hallownest, Zote could've literally travelled by boat... like Zoteboat

[whole holly]

looks similar but this is only instance of phisically same structure

[sturdy coral]

I have not played silksong in a while so i apologize lol

[whole holly]

shape is exact same

[dreamy onyx]

A Khann victim? I'm pretty sure her Kingdom wiped the floor with them

Then they drained their river just for opulence

[spring escarp]

Anyone here fowards silksong?

[cedar sandal]

Do you think PK knew of Gms
Herra probably explained to him when she asked for a child from him

[whole holly]

Herrah didn't want hornet to be forced to usurp GMS though, she literally told her that in red memory

[spring escarp]

Both were pale beings so of course, same way I know all the mixed people in the world.

[whole holly]

to choose her own destiny and stuff

[dreamy onyx]

He might've been able to detect another Pale Being and the Weavers likely gave him some vague idea, but I doubt that it was important to him since she wasn't exactly going to war with another Pale Being

[lethal burrow]

Oh yeah, actually looking closer. It is the exact same rock structure. I wonder if this is just an asset reuse or if it's meant to be the literal same

[dreamy onyx]

I think the surface just looks similar lmao. Wastelands aren't exactly known for being the most diverse areas

[cedar sandal]

I consider it more of a post birth thing that happened
Like a bit sensitive side of things but

carrying a child is a very intimate thing and especially mothers who were not keen on having children really change their mind after giving birth, seen many times irl

becoming unconditional lovers for their child

[frigid belfry]

Sea
Of
Sorrow

SOS

Tc is warning us expect 3 mask damage

[dreamy onyx]

Considering we have 10 masks I can't even say this is wrong

[heavy gyro]

Do yall think the hollow knight update is gonna address the retcons

[frigid belfry]

All bosses are now radiant and steel soul

[cedar sandal]

Can they give us overcharming

for the radiant eqv fights

just let us have one extra tool of any kind

[lethal burrow]

overlapped

[cedar sandal]

pwease

[dreamy onyx]

I doubt it. Most I could see is a tweak to Weaver's Den and the Distant Village and that's about it

[lethal burrow]

next to each other

[whole holly]

thank you

[frigid belfry]

It could just be a reused asset but that’s unlikely

[heavy gyro]

Herrah redesign maybe?

[frigid belfry]

Tc said they would like a godhome style boss rush so this connection is still very possible

[whole holly]

exactly, thank god i had receipts

[lethal burrow]

28% chance it's reused asset with no significance

[lethal burrow]

I would've preferred one that didn't have the dialogue prompt visible for hornets though
</3

[dreamy onyx]

I really don't think that'd happen since she's already baked into the games art

[whole holly]

sorry, i tried, but one video was made about it though

[cedar sandal]

Herrah doesn't need a redesign

[lethal burrow]

I wonder why they gave her one then

[bleak ridge]

Ehhh she looks just wayyy unlike a weaver, most likely TC didn't intend to make her a weaver in HK and changed their mind in SK

[dreamy onyx]

I would certainly appreciate a bit more Deepnest lore in any DLC since it's still a pretty cryptic area

[past wadi]

Can somebody explain to me how to haunting works pls

[cedar sandal]

having children is hard for weavers
giving birth irl also does take a toll on the mothers.
That explains why she looks like that

[lethal burrow]

Be more specific, please

Sort of a loaded question

[spring escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/ajr-ajr-brothers-blue-man-group-ordinaryish-people-gif-25074217

[past wadi]

Just overal

[spring escarp]

New bosses from the dlc

The blue bugs

[past wadi]

Like what it is cuz im new to the game

[cedar sandal]

yeah probably
But her appearance can still reasonably be explained so I don't believe a retcon is needed

[lethal burrow]

how new? Because this place is super spoiler zone.

[spring escarp]

You will play ze bug game and be happy

[bleak ridge]

Spoilers

[spring escarp]

This is the spoiler discussion zone

[dreamy onyx]

A lifeblood guy and probably some sort of sea boss, like a sea slug or maybe even a cephalopod

[past wadi]

its ok just not spoilers about game play pls

[stray fog]

I thought it was only visual changes

[cedar sandal]

some silk god from the sky is throwing silk down into bugs brains and mind controlling them
play more and you find out more.

[past wadi]

Ok thnks

[heavy gyro]

They said features so there could be some stuff

[stray fog]

W

Please address the retcons

[dreamy onyx]

I think they've revealed basically everything (Grey Prince Zote's stagger was changed iirc)

[cedar sandal]

oh btw

dlc BETTER have Lace content

actual highlight of the game

I NEED HER

[dreamy onyx]

I unfortunately don't see how it could

She's way too removed

[stray fog]

Unless the dlc takes place after act 3

(I don't think it will tbh)

[dreamy onyx]

It definitely won't

[cedar sandal]

doesn't act 3 end on to be continued

or am i delusional

[stray fog]

That's mr mushroom

[dreamy onyx]

Act 3 is the last act, with the exception of maybe a Godmaster DLC

[stray fog]

Yeah plasmium doesn't seem significant enough to be post - act 3

[bleak ridge]

Honestly I don't see how they could fit an act 4 in the game lore wise, it wouldn't make sense for hornet to stick around after pharloom got saved

[stray fog]

She gets jumped by the steel assassins

[cedar sandal]

I am ready to play a legit visual novel just give me Lace

[stray fog]

For void crimes

[bleak ridge]

Steel city seems big enough to be it's on game honestly, I do think we'll see SOME steel city related stuff tho