sk-lore

[livid frigate]

To explain the ant thing, maybe their food also has silk? They r hunters right?

[solid yoke]

but like we do see alive people being haunted (bellhart)

[vague whale]

Is it not
You hit enemy -> you get soul from them -> your body spins the soul into silk -> you get silk

[livid frigate]

Kinda like microplastics

[solid yoke]

😭 i actually dont know fr i thought their food was like leavs and shit given that they're in a grassy area

[livid frigate]

Thats being captured. Not reanimating ig.

[solid yoke]

yeah but after oyu save bellhart pavo tells you about he his mind was changed and stuff

[livid frigate]

So hornet's body turns soul into silk? Makes sense

[solid yoke]

how he was going to be integrated into the "hivemind"

of some kind

maybe those aren't corpses?

[solid yoke]

thats something we dont know tho i think (atleast idk)

[livid frigate]

How about this.
Haunting can make live bugs become mindless zombies (Bellhart n that pilgrim infront of pilgrim's rest)
But haunting can also reanimat dead bugs

[dense aspen]

What are silk flies exactly

[solid yoke]

yeah they both can

[vague whale]

Sure, it makes plenty of sense and explains a lot though

[solid yoke]

yeah it does make sense ill give you that

[livid frigate]

Also one funny thing,the cockroaches at the surface are said to be "free of haunting". But u get silk from them

[solid yoke]

but i do wonder if hornet was ever Trained like the soul master or was like the knight to even access soul

[solid yoke]

oh yeah the entirety of bilewater too

[vague whale]

Presumably this is just a Weaver thing, though

Spinning soul into silk

[solid yoke]

oo

yeah but we kinda dont know if weavers can do that (?)

[livid frigate]

Spirits of dead pilgrims injected with silk

[vague whale]

I mean we straight up do

That's how you get the silk

[solid yoke]

I mean that there isn't like any evidence for it

[vague whale]

The part we don't know is where Weavers get the soul from

but we most certainly know they spin silk

plenty of evidence for that

[solid yoke]

yeah we know they spin silk...
but the 2 biggest mysteries with that explanation to me are

1. weavers even being able to access soul and
2. weavers turning soul into silk

[vague whale]

I mean we know they can we just don't know exactly where the soul normally comes from when they do

It is presumably their own replenishing, though

[solid yoke]

i mean in hollow knight its explained that soul is an innate part of every bug but only few can ever harness it

kinda like uhh idk chi or something in kung fu flicks

[vague whale]

yeah

Weavers having an innate ability to is certainly justified considering they were uplifted by basically the god of doing that

[craggy smelt]

silk is said to be spun 'from the soul of its creator', so it would come from the weaver making it

[solid yoke]

woah ok where is this btw

[craggy smelt]

materium entry

Fine thread spun from the soul of its creator. Highly coveted for its remarkable strength and mystical properties. Used to heal wounds, extend life, and weave powerful runes.

[solid yoke]

oh i see

that makes a hell of a lot of sense

thanks !

[craggy smelt]

I love that thing

[inner torrent]

Imo there are two reason:

1 Almost every enemies in silksong has silk in their bodies, maybe they're not haunted but they have silk since basically silk gets propagated like a virus through the bugs other bugs eat, Is even in the air as we see in grey moor they collect silk from the air, I think.

2. Also probably due to using soul she gets from enemies to form silk

[solid yoke]

yeah

[craggy smelt]

Hornet's ability to get soul from attacking enemies might be her wyrm side (TK can do it too)
I don't know if Weavers can do that

though they can probably extract soul from victims in some way, that's a pretty spidery thing to do

[vague whale]

Agreed

[solid yoke]

true...

[vague whale]

If it's not a Weaver thing it's just from the wyrm

[solid yoke]

ytaeh that makes sense

wyrmmaxxing

[craggy smelt]

they have ways
wyrmways

[solid yoke]

🤯

[inner torrent]

Hard to know, most likely not
The philosophy of both groups is kind of different

Flame father cult goes more for immolation and purification, it follows a pretty straight line of process
While the Grimm troupe follows a cycle process, renovation and rebirth

[livid frigate]

True true. Only connection i could draw was they both harness flame. But Pinstresses are related to Wisp Thicket followers right? They share similar designs. N the pinstress houses are kinda similar to the Grimm troupe tents. Might be a far reach. But im just guessing

[inner torrent]

Huh... I haven't thought of that, now that you say it, there are a lot of fabric stuff around the wisp thicket.
The pimpillo is there and is basically a cloth sack of explosives

[heavy gyro]

Pinstresses look more like stilkin

[midnight zinc]

No

[livid frigate]

Maybe stilkin also spread to wisp thicket?

[livid frigate]

My initial reaction to seeing far fields pinstress was that this house looks alook like those tents

[fervent sigil]

holy shit an SL fan

what are the chances

[lone folio]

Oh hell yeah I am

I have some.. Opinions about full release but I love the franchise

[fervent sigil]

i haven’t played nor watched SL 2

which is good cuz i’m waiting until i build my PC so i can play it w no lag

[lone folio]

It's a wierd game because like I love it so much for how beautiful it is and how nice the gameplay is but it has lots of issues

[fervent sigil]

true af lmao, though bug fixing mod exist i think

[lone folio]

Though we shouldn't talk about SL in a hollow knight channel

[fervent sigil]

#off-topic ?

[lone folio]

(not even bugs I just mean some parts of the game like progression which is pretty uhh yea :) )

[lone folio]

Sure

[pale narwhal]

cant anyone who's been taught to use soul do that?

[lone folio]

Doesn't seem like it

[pale narwhal]

wdym?
the scholars of the soul sanctum were literally extracting it from other bugs by the hundreds

[lone folio]

Yeah but that's not attacking them and stealing immidiatly

They needed to extract it and then they put that soul into themselves to use spells

[stray fog]

They used machines

Groal also used some sort of mechanism to extract soul from the shaman in bilewater

[pale narwhal]

i thought he just ate the guy

[stray fog]

We see the shamans uneaten body

[lone folio]

Snail shamans also do recipes for their spells though they are probably capable of using the soul they have collected overtime or they are just built different and have adapted to use soul

Looks like they are just waiting for the soul to drip down into the bowl thing or something

Oh yeah the snail shamans litterly give you their soul reserves in the silk and soul quest

[halcyon merlin]

i was going to say this is something groal did

but i forgot groal ate that one guy

[frigid belfry]

they also made rudimentary soul containers to store it

makes me think groal just regularly consumes some whenever he feels like it

[lone folio]

He probably took like 5 bottles before the fight

I wonder if that's why he looks so bloated like soul master

[frosty gate]

Did he actually eat him? We see his body

Unless he ate just the head

[halcyon merlin]

isn't it said he got eaten

which is why groal has soul ppwers

[lone folio]

"This one's strength was much enhanced by stolen soul. They are not the first who tried to hoard it, or to mould it towards such violent ends."

He just stole some soul

[frosty gate]

I think the eating thing came from a meme

Since Groal just eats things

[halcyon merlin]

ah

[halcyon merlin]

makes sense

[frosty gate]

He didn't even had to kill the guy probably

[stray fog]

Why?

[lone folio]

Also when he finnaly focuses and uses vengeful spirit it looks so cool

[amber shore]

what are crests?

[hushed crater]

Everything a bug has done and accomplished binded into a new barrier together with its fighting stile and so on I think

That is why Eva said that there is risk for hornet to lose her identity if she binds her

[unique canopy]

Hornet: You see one's nature, Eva? It is a skill far beyond bugs.
Eva: One not without cost. My sight perceives a bug only through the imprint upon their soul.
Hornet: You speak of their crest? That signifier of a bug's essence and their invisible yoke born through a lifetime.
Eva: Crest? Yes, the old Weaver term. A simple word to attempt description of something so profound.

[amber shore]

what bug was the beast crest?

[hushed crater]

Yea imprint upon the soul I forgot the word thx

[amber shore]

it seems the crests may alter hornet's personality, considering she seems more aggressive with her taunt

or have an impact on emotion

[frosty gate]

I mean, he didn't take the seeker's soul fully

[pliant meadow]

The bug it's bound from: a dead giant savage beastfly

[frosty gate]

He seems like he just drained him of soul with some torture maybe

[hushed crater]

Well she completely loses herself when binding gms because her crest is too powerful unlike the rest with she can control

[frosty gate]

Or maybe Groal just didn't understand shit

[amber shore]

I wonder if groal would need to learn how to focus to cast the spell he consumed

[hushed crater]

Probably and because he got so tired of it he tried to sit on every bench in Bluewater and broke them all

[frosty gate]

You don't need to focus to cast spells

[hushed crater]

Yea focus is different

But he probably needed to learn something

[frosty gate]

You mean Focus like we heal in Hollow Knight?

[amber shore]

Not necessarily

focusing seems to have a wide variety of applicability

[hushed crater]

Also the focus of THK with doesn't heal him

[amber shore]

we saw the knight focus to consume the radiance

the pure vessel focusing to do an attack

I see it more as a manipulative force

funnily enough similiar to binding

[hushed crater]

Focus is way more powerful then regular spells

[frosty gate]

Wait what focus does PV do? I forgot

I don't even remember if i did PV

[amber shore]

first sinner attack in the 2nd phase

[hushed crater]

What was pv again with so many bosses and characters I forgot

[halcyon merlin]

pure vessel

[amber shore]

pure vessel, the buffed up version of the hollow knight

[hushed crater]

Oh yea thx

[halcyon merlin]

he has something similar to rune rage

[amber shore]

Im starting to consider that binding and focusing are parrarels

[hushed crater]

I call him thk so I forgot pv

[frosty gate]

Oh yeah, that one

[hushed crater]

Yea maybe

They needed something just a little less powerful for gornet

[frosty gate]

But spells and focus spells seem different don't they?

PV Focuses to make a spell, a huge spell

TK only focuses to heal

The rest of his spells are just casted

[amber shore]

what if theres like

a stable focus and an unstable focus

the stable one would heal you, and the unstable one would create whatever pv does

with it being erratic

[frosty gate]

I'd love to agree with you

But PV is the epitome of Focusing

[halcyon merlin]

i wonder

[frosty gate]

Only PK should be better at using soul

[halcyon merlin]

is focus a pale being thing or a higher being thing

hornet binding is kinda the same as focus

[frosty gate]

PV is literally a perfect Soul Knight

[stray fog]

Didn't the god seeker hivemind also have a focus

To attune to gods or something

I forgot

[halcyon merlin]

does she

[frosty gate]

Those fuckwits are weird anyway

[stray fog]

New swear word unlocked

[frosty gate]

Educating the masses

[unique canopy]

If you mean the Godtuner, she says she ascended beyond the need for it when she gives it to Knight

[stray fog]

The godseekers' focus helped create the shade lord

[frosty gate]

Attunement and Focus seem to be different

[unique canopy]

Attunement is more like spiritual triangulation, where resonating with various sources of great power allow them to find the deepest, most out of reach God of Gods within the land

[frosty gate]

Not exactly, you think it's a mean to locate "Gods"?

[unique canopy]

She does say the whole purpose of Godhome is to seek them out so they can serve the highest.

[frosty gate]

Yes but that doesn't say that attunement does the seeking, it seems like it does the serving

Also going back to Focus, it's so weird.
Focus seems to heal TK but basically makes PV do a Soul explosion.
But TK doesn't seem to need to focus to use its spells, the regular ones

Focus also absorbs things, for TK at least

It's also badass that PV is so tuff It can't be staggered while Focusing

Meanwhile TK can be interrumpted while Focusing and both Hornet and FS can be stopped while Binding

[unique canopy]

Not regular spells, but there are charms that modify what happens while focusing, so that implies different aspects of focusing could also be trained

[frosty gate]

That's also a good point, maybe Focus varies between each person

Each focus can do a different thing

It'd be cool to see other bugs Focus

But Focus seems to be tied to Soul exclusively

[unique canopy]

We don't get a fight with another normal vessel since BV/LK are controlled by infection so there's no common reference point, but it's possible that focusing to heal is something the Knight picked up outside of Hallownest. Would make sense for surviving the wastelands.

The lore tablet that serves as a tutorial doesn't mention healing specifically, it says "feats of which others can only dream"

[frosty gate]

I think TK just learned to Focus right there and then

[frosty gate]

True

[heavy gyro]

You can focus before that

[frosty gate]

Therefore, I don't think Groal can focus

[stray fog]

The shade lord is "void given focus"

[frosty gate]

Or at the very least he doesn't know how

It may just be a Pale thing

[frosty gate]

I have the understandment that the Focus is Given by the Knight, not the Godseekers

[stray fog]

Oh

There's something with the pantheons and god home that allowed the shade lord to be made

They aren't there in dnm

[frosty gate]

Oh yeah, that's what the Attunement does

It's weird

Ok so, I think this is speculation territory, not quite canon

Basically, HBs, Gods in Hollow Knight gain power from worship

[unique canopy]

Going back to attunement, the real definition of it is to bring one thing in harmony with another (typically a musical term). The way that the Godseeker describes the process, bringing themselves in attunement with the other sources of power in the kingdom is what allows them to find the greater powers within it so they can attune themselves to it. So there is an element of using attunement to seek.

[frosty gate]

That's why the more followers a HB has, the stronger they are

Stronger makes it sound as if i'm powerscaling, but bare with me

[stray fog]

The shade lord doesn't have any followers (except the godseekers who would probably glaze it)

[frosty gate]

Didn't have followers

In past tense

That's why the Godseekers are fucking morons

[stray fog]

Lmao

[frosty gate]

If Follower count = Power

What happenes when you attune an entire hivemind under a single being

Worshipping it

[stray fog]

A lot of power

[frosty gate]

The thing with Void is that its sparse

It doesn't have a thing to worship

But the idiots worshiped a being with focus and void

So it heightens TK into Shade Lord

But TK isn't the only shade in the Void

THERES MILLIONS OF FUCKING SHADES IN THE VOID

Courtesy of PK

So, as I understand it, all the Siblings, somehow or somewhat worship TK

[stray fog]

[frosty gate]

Or at th every fucking least, they follow It

Godseekers just made it possible for the Void, or the Knight, to reach its peak

[stray fog]

I just noticed that barely any of the higher beings talk (through words, not telepathy)

The white lady and the pale king talk

[unique canopy]

Voidheart+Godtuner=hilarity ensues

[frosty gate]

"Why didn't PV reach the same Peak?"

Because PV lost against Rad, so it's Peak is just that

Same with BV/LK

The Knight is pure potential

[frosty gate]

True, they never seem to speak directly.
PK definitely can speak, but the rest just don't

Completely unrelated, but thinking about it, if HK released nowadays, there's a chance we'd get an ending with the Grimm Troupe

Cursed Ending but with Little Grimm

"Kingdom of Nightmares"

It'd be cool

[lone folio]

You ascend to godhome with the Lil Grimm and he becomes big Grimm

[frosty gate]

Nah I mean like in the first endings in the Temple

You absorb the Infection and Lil Grimm just goes "Yoink" and takes it

[unique canopy]

You are above even Grimm. I hearby award you the title of Big Grimm.

[frosty gate]

Making the infection Nightmares instead of dreams

Or while killing Radiance

[lone folio]

He would explode

[frosty gate]

You think it's too much?

[twin dragon]

what are we discussing today chat

[unique canopy]

Godseekers being idiots

[twin dragon]

no shit

[stray fog]

The original topic was whether focusing is a pale thing or a higher being thing

Or something else

Because we see only 2 people using focus

Both are siblings

So it doesn't help much

[twin dragon]

we could assume its similar to the bind

and only gms and the weavers can use it

[twin dragon]

2?

isn't it only tk

[stray fog]

Pure vessel

[stray fog]

Gms is also pale and higher

[twin dragon]

is that really focus doe

[twin dragon]

Yeah

it might be a pale thing

[unique canopy]

The lore tablet says that focusing one's soul is something all higher beings can do, it's the effects of that focus that are different depending on the being in question.

[twin dragon]

i mean it might be focus but a different kind of focus

[stray fog]

The one in king's pass?

[twin dragon]

focusing soul into runes

[unique canopy]

Higher beings, these words are for you alone.
Your great strength marks you amongst us. Focus your soul and you shall achieve feats of which others can only dream.

[twin dragon]

Yeah

so it's def a hb thing

[stray fog]

The only non - higher being that focuses might be the godseeker, and even that isn't certain

"void given focus" could imply that the godseekers were the ones focusing

But someone said that it was the knight who was focusing

Didn't the soul sanctum people also try to get a "pure focus"

[twin dragon]

we know they don't do that

so it has to be the knight

[stray fog]

So it must be rare among common bugs

Or maybe common bugs have a focus, but it isn't pure / powerful

[twin dragon]

The common bugs cant operate with soul

unless theyre like

super experienced with it somehow

Bind is a gms only thing so

[stray fog]

I was referring to shamans, soul master, etc.

[twin dragon]

they arent common bugs for sure

and soul master has some mastery of it

but still not nearly enough

shamans are js special

[stray fog]

I should rephrase

What I'm trying to say is that maybe some non higher beings have a focus

[twin dragon]

Vessels have a focus

they arent hbs

so do weavers

[stray fog]

People who didn't inherit it

[twin dragon]

weavers didnt

they werent biologically born from gms

[stray fog]

Weavers were directly created by a higher being

[stray fog]

You know what I mean 😭

[twin dragon]

uplifted

[stray fog]

Im not trying to make a mathematical definition here

[twin dragon]

Yeah ik what you mean

and yeah those were bugs who had silk directly inserted into their genetic code

[stray fog]

The Chapel maid identifies hornet's focus and says that the citadel people should be scared of hornet

So a focus, or atleast the quality of that focus, is an indicator of power

[twin dragon]

we dont see any other bug binding other than them

[limpid summit]

Do we think PV is a Hornet/Grimm situation

We never get its thought process mid fight but do we think it knows it’s being attuned

[spark valve]

Seems like it would be the type to know

[frosty gate]

Wdym she identifies her Focus?

[twin dragon]

its not like he can tell us...

not with a voice at least

[frosty gate]

Hollow Knight 3:
Hollow learns sign language!

[frosty gate]

I read Focus as her motivation tbh, but that may be just me

[twin dragon]

Could be

but everything thats from the first game except the void is renamed

[livid frigate]

Me too. The chapel maid might not be referring to the focus from hk, rather hornet's determination. As a shaman herself, she must know what happens to weavers captured by citadel. N was impressed hornet not only escaped but also aiming to visit her captors

[twin dragon]

you dont see anybody calling plasmium lifeblood

plus bind is similar but different aswell

[frosty gate]

That's cus Zylotl is fucking dumb

[livid frigate]

Plasmium might still be new to them. And was left unchecked, unlike paleking taking measures against lifeblood ig

[frosty gate]

Hornet calls it Lifeblood and Zylotl just goes

[twin dragon]

she doesn't

[frosty gate]

https://tenor.com/view/invader-zim-movie-enter-the-gif-14899370

[twin dragon]

Meh

[livid frigate]

She just said it was similar to what she seen. N he just goes....silence halfwit

[twin dragon]

it kinda looks like she's referring to her having a mission

based off of context

[frosty gate]

Oh right she doesn't say the name, but she knows the actual name at least

[stray fog]

Also this dialogue is confirmation that the wastes are dangerous to navigate

[frosty gate]

Yeah, but I don't think it's that big of a deal

I think it's exaggerating

[stray fog]

I want to squeeze out every drop of lore from this game

[frosty gate]

It's definitely dangerous but not crazy

Quirrel went through it

Quirrel is special

[stray fog]

Those tiny bell guys too

[frosty gate]

Boon isn't

[stray fog]

They're not that strong

[frosty gate]

Pilgrims at the very least have to go a bit through it too probably

Actually idk

Idk where they come from

That village is weird

[livid frigate]

There are also, battlesbof blackwyrms.,n other thing related to the pale knights. Those must be from the wasteland right

[stray fog]

I think only the ones that are in the vicinity should be attracted to the citadel

Unless they're stupid

[stray fog]

They probably are

[frosty gate]

They are

[livid frigate]

We got cockroaches at surface who are not attracted to citadel

[twin dragon]

Then talk about why tk slashed the tendrils in sotv

[stray fog]

Not smart enough

[twin dragon]

you'd be there for hours if you don't want to call it a retcon

[stray fog]

Not that much

[stray fog]

Ill just call it aura farming

[unique canopy]

Smart enough to run the fuck away from the needolin

[livid frigate]

Oh its cuz they arent haunted or some shit

[stray fog]

They probably don't even know what a citadel is

[livid frigate]

Also u know those little spiders that were transformed into weavers by gms? Those things still exist, maybe there are still outside pharloom

[stray fog]

Non haunted characters also sing
But you could say that they have silk in their bodies due to the citadel's actions

[twin dragon]

they're also IN pharloom

[twin dragon]

no like

they just

sing

in company to hornet lmfao

not because they have silk in them

[stray fog]

Voluntarily

[twin dragon]

Yeah

why would shakra NOT sing along with hornet

[livid frigate]

Ik. In pharloom n possibly outside pharloom also

[twin dragon]

Or maybe outrage

[stray fog]

Let's not get into this discussion

[twin dragon]

Yeah

its lwk bugging my head since theres a bunch of theories

[stray fog]

They probably just wanted to make the knight's entrance look cool

[stray fog]

The bugs of both known kingdoms are very distinct

Even if they're the same animal

Like the different snails

(nuu, unn)

The flies (slab flies, sly)

[fiery knot]

I think hornet theorizes that GMS' influence only goes downward, and that's why they aren't attracted at all iirc

[stray fog]

One exception is willow and the grimm steeds

[fiery knot]

Seeing as the haunting's Strings only seem to go downward towards whatever it attaches to, I think hornet is right.

[sonic rover]

Ponksha everyone,who got the silksong lore docs

[unique canopy]

bro finish the game first lol

[whole marsh]

The only potential argument against this, is that silk does appear in the home to the top right (where you get the momento). But I honestly think this is just a gameplay tell to let you know there's nedolin dialogue there.

[ornate lodge]

How did Sherma pass the Last Judge

[terse warren]

Sinless

Not even kidding

Guy says the judges don't attack him

So he's just that good

[pale narwhal]

Unn is a Higher slug. but the shamans of both kingdoms are quite similar.
and even if we discount shadow creepers are a universal feature of the abyss there's still remarkable sinilarity between garpedes and garpids

[fiery knot]

Well, I think those strings that we use the needolin for to see memories aren't tied exactly to GMS to begin with

I think they might be something only weavers may have access to. Perhaps they only see the webs tied to bugs that died. Just a theory.

I think the webs are some ethereal or symbolic symbol of a song once sang. A silk song if you may

[twin dragon]

the third sentinel is a higher being

[lone folio]

Garpids are probably a common surface bug and garpedes are just the ones that settled down in deepnest

Oh hey even the journal calls them common

[amber shore]

okay, what the HELL is greyroot?

"its a parasite"

okay

like what actual real thing?

[tepid mountain]

A root being?

[fiery knot]

You mean a real life counter part?

[amber shore]

yea

[foggy fractal]

none really

[fiery knot]

I dont believe there is one

Its similar to the white lady it seems

At least to me

but it can just be compared to a slug I guess?

[amber shore]

I must look deeper

[twin dragon]

Yknow those worm things that live inside of mantises and exit when inside of water?

Might've been inspired by that

or by like

a generic worm parasite

[whole holly]

why did shamans die after the red memory, was it everbloom or spell itself?

[twin dragon]

probably the spell

[whole holly]

oke

[amber shore]

i thought they were cockroaches?

but yes, i can see where you are coming from

[sinful nimbus]

You can see them disintegrate into soul while casting the spell

[foggy fractal]

true

wait...they become... white...

what is tc trying to say.

[amber shore]

Is lifeblood bad?

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[viscid ridge]

This is wonder tainted strong with revulsion.

-Hornet

I honestly really hope we get to see/fight whatever higher being is behind the Lifeblood (excluding abyss creature cause i dont think they are the true source)

[winter dock]

mr mushroom who js flies away in the end

[whole holly]

i hope it will be like Radiance, do you think Abyss Creature is just a vessel for Lifeblood Higher Being, AC seems underwhelming looking, not at all like HB

[chrome lintel]

We only know how his head looks like

[silk dirge]

it has 6 eyes its a weaver !!!

/j

it has like 16 eyes atleast if the eyes are mirrored

[whole holly]

i know, still underwhelming, looks like beast and fossils we see rest of Hallownest and Pharloom but alive

[twin dragon]

dose makes the poison

[twin dragon]

its also black which means it abyss

[tepid mountain]

Just like Hornet.

[twin dragon]

also it is blue so its related to uh

[chrome lintel]

Its body could be oozing with lifeblood, like the meth guy in wormways. But who knows, we won't probably fight it even in dlc.

[twin dragon]

how was that blue substance called?

oh yeah the water in the blue lake

[whole holly]

yes

[twin dragon]

higher being of the abyss AND the blue lake

is this quirrel

[silk dirge]

pale lake also has water

it's a pale being

[twin dragon]

therefore fleamaster mooshka is its god

[silk dirge]

is the flea mother a higher being

higher being of 0 braincell orange cat equivalent creatures

[shadow rampart]

is this in the game or fanart if yes where do you get it?

[silk dirge]

its in game

you see in the bg of the lifeblood room in the abyss in hk

[shadow rampart]

oh

[amber shore]

I noticed that when you die while cursed there is a small crack noise that appears, what does this imply ?

[shadow rampart]

when you die in skong and break the cocoon small void particles fall what does this mean?

[tepid mountain]

I would guess the parasite also dies.

[silk dirge]

those arent void

thats just hornets shell

[shadow rampart]

oh

[chrome lintel]

There is a probability that is void, since void are the regrets a bug lefts after dying.

[amber shore]

I dont think thats void.

[tepid mountain]

But Hornet dying isn’t like, a canon thing that actually happens.

[amber shore]

theres a very good chance that her body without the shell is just black

[amber shore]

i think this is a good segway into my the theory that since hornet is half wyrm, she can see the futre (?)

future

[chrome lintel]

Right. So that means the cocoon she leaves isn't canon too tho

[amber shore]

cuz everytime she dies and comes back to a bench she jolts up like it was a bad dream

[amber shore]

my best guess is that the cocoon is a manifestation of regret

[amber shore]

I dont think its ever been stated that regrets have to manifest in void form

[chrome lintel]

Idk

It's either just her shell or void

I just remembered the regrets thing from a mossbag video i think

If i spread misinformation i am sorry

I will write an apology letter

[tepid mountain]

Yeah, but she also loses her rosaries and has to use shell shards to refill her tools. So I don’t think there’s anything more to it than just gameplay.

[frosty gate]

That reminds me, I haven't sent my picture of the Weaver of Baking

[river yarrow]

Just reached act 2. I don't know why I hope that Citadel is a prosperous city full of NPC, protected from the bad things outside. Kinda forget that this is Hollow Knight 😅

Maybe the good Lively vibes in bone bottom, bellhart, and pilgrim rest giving me hope that Citadel is actually a good place, only to be the the deadliest of them all

[sinful nimbus]

also #sk-lore has no spoiler restrictions if you didn't know so you may want to come back later

[amber shore]

SNAIL SHAMANS DONT WEAKR MASKS

[quiet narwhal]

Bellhart is the only happy safe place team cherry will ever design (except for a certain special place with 33 fluffy friends)

[chrome lintel]

Bellhart starts with everyone haunted and then the majority just dies

Fleatopia has Krat

Nowhere is safe

[trail wagon]

Hey, guys, I decided to fight the FS because why not and noticed some intersting stuff

[visual glacier]

What about it

[trail wagon]

First of all, after we defeat her, we "accept" her, not "claim" or "bind", which suggests she gives Hornet her skill, rather than Hornet takes it away from her

This might be more obvious

But the other thing is that she says "I did not wane"

[trail wagon]

Which to me seems like she might actually be referring to some other Weavers who did (?)

I know there's not really anything special about the word "wane" and its usage doesn't mean it's necessarily a reference to another time it was used, but for some reason I feel like there might be some connection. I suggested previously that some Weavers' strength might've waned, and this would make sense as to why the FS is so reluctant to give Hornet her skill as opposed to other Weaver mummies we find, or she might want to make sure Hornet is powerful enough (to have the worst silk skill in the entire game 👀 )

[frosty gate]

Idk why Weavers thought they were going to wane honestly

Idk if its part of the lie?

I never get that line

[visual glacier]

Because gms is so strong?

[frosty gate]

Gms has always been strong, that doesn't mean they will get weaker

[visual glacier]

What implies that

[trail wagon]

Maybe because GMS is the source of their strength too?

Or maybe because they use soo much silk they start to run out of it

[frosty gate]

That doesn't seem to be the case

[frosty gate]

They produce Silk

They can't run out of it

[trail wagon]

well yeah

Silk is a concentrated form of soul, isn't it?

[frosty gate]

Yes, but only Weavers can produce it

And GMS, of course

[trail wagon]

Yeah, sure

[viscid ridge]

I think other types of bugs can produce silk and thread, but it isn't the same as soul infused silk

[trail wagon]

Probably

[frosty gate]

I mean, yes, but that just fabric

Silk is the Soul infused one

[viscid ridge]

But it makes me wonder

Can weavers also make silk without soul? Cause we know they gave the residents of the city of tears silk to create paper with

[trail wagon]

I'm also wondering.. are they using their own soul to produce silk, or...?

[frosty gate]

I think this line to be read as "When our Silk is too weak to deal with the task" and not "When our silk grows weak"

[viscid ridge]

It doesn't really matter. The difference between the names are not defined as well. In the first game Hornet is said to use thread, while Lemm says the city residents used silk. So the names are very interchangeable

[trail wagon]

hmmm, well, yeah, we don't know if waning implies replenishment

[muted lantern]

So pilgrims have alot of rules about what they can and can't have to help them, is non pilgrims guiding them/helping them make the climb taboo?

[viscid ridge]

Yeah they say in game its the soul of its creator

[trail wagon]

I think the Citadel just established their religion and that's pretty much it

[viscid ridge]

They probably see it as luck, so its probably allowed.

[trail wagon]

I kinda missed that. Wouldn't the soul gradually wane?

[muted lantern]

well they arent allowed to use weapons or use transportation which is why im curious, would an outsider guiding and protecting a group of pilgrims whilst armed count as sin?

[frosty gate]

I mean yeah I agree, but I doubt they're using Soul Infused Silk to make paper

[viscid ridge]

Not really, i doubt thath the soul would start to leave the silk? We know that silk seals can fade, but idk honestly

[frosty gate]

Wdym

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i know, im just pointing it out that the names are not set, they are used interchangeably even if it doesn't have soul inside it

[frosty gate]

Why would it?

Specially since soul seems to just be in the air, kinda?

At least that was the case in Hallownest

Those statues were replenishing somehow

[viscid ridge]

I think thats more of a gameplay quirk than a power that the soul totems have.

[frosty gate]

It isn't

[trail wagon]

There was supposed to be an NPC named "Learned Pilgrim" who would use a pin

[frosty gate]

"These eggs are the most desired find from time before Hallownest, but they're not the only remnant of that age. You may have come upon them, those old statues that seem a store for soul? They too prove its existence, though in a larger, cruder form."

That's Lemm

[muted lantern]

ye but iirc he spoke of it as if he was unique amongst his peers, pilby states its a sin to bear a weapon

[trail wagon]

I mean would their souls be an inexhaustable resource of silk?

[trail wagon]

But they specifically use their OWN soul, don't they?

[viscid ridge]

I doubt it, cause they dont ask them to do anything. I also honestly hope they change the weapon rule in future updates, cause 1) hope we get the pin pilgrim back, and 2) there are pilgrims that use weapons in game so its meaningless

[viscid ridge]

How do you mean?

[frosty gate]

I don't see why not

[frosty gate]

Soul can be replenished

[trail wagon]

Well yeah, they don't have weapon, that's for sure, it's sinful for them. In fact, initially there was supposed to be a special state of Judged at Blasted Steps. If you haven't killed anybody to get there, they wouldn't attack Hornet

[trail wagon]

Well, it might be, I'm not saying it's not, just clarifying

[muted lantern]

most 'weapons' they use are repurposed musical instruments like bells used for music, or staves with bells on them carried by the pilgrim guides, as implied by their hj text. the only one that uses a pin is the one in blasted, and its said their pin was meant as a walking stick, and only turned weapon post haunting.

[viscid ridge]

That doesn't prove that the totems constantly replenish soul, it shows that it stores soul. I think soul was focused into them at one point, but they arent able to refill with soul themselves

[frosty gate]

I mean if they can somehow get silk or soul back the same way Hornet and TK do, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to do it too

[viscid ridge]

But that begs the case, if their able to use bells and walking sticks as weapons, why would indirect help from strangers be a problem

[trail wagon]

TK does it by killing bugs, that's what I'm saying

[viscid ridge]

I think hornet also gains soul from killing bugs, but after gaining their soul, it becomes part of her soul, which she uses to create silk

[worn prism]

Context

[trail wagon]

Probably

[trail wagon]

Of what?

[worn prism]

What are you talking about

[trail wagon]

we're talking about silk and whether the Weavers can run out of it

[viscid ridge]

I wonder if bugs have some sort of mythology about where they go when they die

Like a afterlife

[trail wagon]

Some do probably

Like in Pharloom they don't go anywhere, they continue serving the Citadel.. 💀

[visual glacier]

Some definitely do

[sinful nimbus]

Cloth has one about a warriors death and stuff

[visual glacier]

Cloth says that when she dies that she will meet “Nola” presumably a dead member of her friend/family/love interest

[sinful nimbus]

Bug valhalla

[frosty gate]

Even in death I serve Bugnissiah

God Emperor of Bugkind when you need him to understand 40k jokes

[muted lantern]

How the hell do the pilgrims even manage to climb the blasted steps? theres no way they are just pinging off the bells like hornet has to

[tepid mountain]

Z -axis.

[sterile jacinth]

Does anyone know what the deal with pale lurker is

[muted lantern]

I mean the judges being in place means that these are routes the pilgrims likely took, and theres not really any background elements they could climb on

[nimble ocean]

Someone answer this, I want to know too

[sterile jacinth]

Yo same profile decoration nice

[sinful nimbus]

They're fanatic over a king's idol

[nimble ocean]

Oh cool

[sinful nimbus]

Used to be a colosseum fighter

[nimble ocean]

Didn’t he have a simple key?

Also he wasn’t infected I don’t think

[sinful nimbus]

Indeed

[sterile jacinth]

Oh ok cool

[nimble ocean]

I guess he was so high on life that he resisted infection

And he went into psychosis

[muted lantern]

with the haunting gone, do you think some judges would still survive? or would they all fall dead. if there were any remaining would they still be agressive?

[versed forum]

The silk lore, where is it

[brittle cedar]

Wawas shall inherit the earth

[muted lantern]

Like would there be any remaining agressive judges to halt pilgrims? or would the flow of pilgrims into the citadel increase after the haunting.

[silk dirge]

pilgrims arriving after act 3 be like: so uhhh was that pilgrimage supposed to be hard?

[muted lantern]

thats my question i suppose, do all the judges die post haunting? or would some still be there ready to curbstomp unarmed little dudes

[sterile jacinth]

With how long they’ve presumably been haunted I think it’s unlikely any of them are still alive

[muted lantern]

true, but it seems new squirms are still being raised up, so presumably some of the judges are young enough to only be recently haunted.

[sterile jacinth]

While that’s true it would be without the brainwashing of the citadel

Or without a lot of it

[muted lantern]

considering the squirms needolin dialogue they are still fairly brainwashed

[visual glacier]

They are probably haunted soon after birth tbh

[sterile jacinth]

Yea that’s true

[muted lantern]

doesnt help that they probably are being trained by haunted bugs

[visual glacier]

Because of all the silk in their genes

[sterile jacinth]

I don’t think they’re haunted

[muted lantern]

lemme check

[muted lantern]

none of the squirms have haunted threads when you needolin

@sterile jacinth too

ignore my healthbar

[sterile jacinth]

That’s what I remembered lol

[muted lantern]

so presumably they grow up and become haunted as they age, but the judges don't seem to be undead like a lot of the resurected haunted, so they might still be living even while haunted, like the craw and skarr.

so i do think it's logical the judges would still keep up their work until hornet intervenes.

[sterile jacinth]

Don’t the judges snap to life with silk?

[muted lantern]

I don't believe they revive with thread, but are just crusted still like watcher at the edge

[sterile jacinth]

Oh I thought some of them were like corpses that were reanimated and the silk animation played when you got close

Maybe not all of them but I think the first one on the lj run back

[muted lantern]

just checked, even the first one you meet has no thread animation, they just shake off the dust like watcher

[sterile jacinth]

Ah

[muted lantern]

plus the judges seem still capable of speech to an extent

at least last judge

seems to say something

[unique canopy]

The Judges do have needolin dialogue, so yeah

[muted lantern]

to be clear tho, they are definitely haunted. just not revive haunted like the average pilgrim, they seem to be more like the craws, stillkin, and skarr where they still live but are just subtly controlled, kinda like the two ways infection works in the og, where it revives corpses and manipulates the living

so id say some judges would survive past act 3, not just the squirms.

[muted lantern]

even haunted animals that cant speak seem to have dialogue in needolin

i think hornet can just read their minds

since she can understand mottled skarrs needolin despite not speaking his language

Also, People keep saying that shakra is a hornet or a wasp, but i just really don't buy that, it doesnt explain the dragonfly tail

its interesting, it seems the only already dead judge we see doesnt get revived.

In fact, we only see pilgrims and denizens of the citadel be revived in that way iirc. maybe its becaue they hold more silk within their bodies than the other groups? being descendants of the citadel itself?

perhaps the judges didnt need much push to be violent

[edgy nebula]

we see multiple dead judges

iirc two? Maybe more? One taken over by coral and another mummified by sand

[muted lantern]

oh right, though that only reinforces my point

that the majority of the judges dont seem to be the undead kind of haunted

[silk dirge]

wheres the coral one

i dont remember that one

[edgy nebula]

in the double conchflies room

[real torrent]

I haven't heard anyone else talk about this but the song red memory from silksong is really similar to resting grounds from hollow knight

Just thought it was cool

[dense ridge]

What so Hornet is just murdering children unprovoked?

[muted lantern]

Well they would have grown up to be judges that executed pilgrims, which might be her justification. but yeah it seems to be the case that she's just murking kids.

[dense ridge]

[vital zinc]

who were they talking about?? is this even important to thr lore????

[dense ridge]

Sounds like it's about Lace

[visual glacier]

Lace

[vital zinc]

OH I COMPLETELY FORGOT SHE EVEN EXISTED LMAOO

[visual glacier]

It’s not even a theory it’s undeniably about lace

They show up when you unlock the cradle and disappear when you defeat lace

[rotund surge]

Yall whats the deal with first sinner

Like what does she try to do during our playthrough

[visual glacier]

Wdym

[rotund surge]

She wants us to bind her but she challenges us

[visual glacier]

Yeah

[rotund surge]

Like why

[lapis creek]

i guess it's a test of some kind

or it's just because she's very very angry

[rotund surge]

To claim the kingdom maybe

[lapis creek]

shes dead though

[rotund surge]

Its interesting to because even if we lose she doesnt kill us

[lapis creek]

the fight is in a memory

[visual glacier]

It’s a memory

[rotund surge]

Test to see if hornet can take pharloom

[rotund surge]

It is not a memory

[lapis creek]

oh cool

[rotund surge]

Because we use our tools

[visual glacier]

It is

If you try to use a consumable it says that you can’t use consumables in a memory

[rotund surge]

Unlike memories the fight takes shards

[visual glacier]

Still a memory

[rotund surge]

I dont know

It very different to what the game has presented us as memories

[visual glacier]

It’s a memory

[rotund surge]

Probably

[visual glacier]

Like undeniably it’s a memory

[rotund surge]

Mayhaps

But then again

Why would it be

[rotund surge]

Items

Oh

I see

[craggy smelt]

I think it's something like what Hornet mentions when you decline to bind Eva

Yours is a mind strong and strange. That union could prove dangerous to my identity.
It's like Hornet's will is warring with First Sinner, a test to see if she can mentally subdue the Weaver and prove herself worthy

[inner torrent]

i think the high variety of weapons in hallownest/pharloom is very interesting

[visual glacier]

Yup

Working on a wiki page about that rn

[inner torrent]

it seems there are three main "Sword" weapons along hallownest and pharloom
The Nail, with variants like great nail and nail lance, national weapon of Hallownest
The Claw, this seems to be the less "Refined" weapon as it probably is organic, curveclaw is a great example, the skarr, crusts and fools use them
The Pin, longpins, straightpins, staff pins, even maybe the soul warrior pinblade
Not sure if the hive knight toothpick would count as a pin or a nail?
And the Needle is basically a mix between the Nail and the Pin, taking the best from both.

this makes me theorize next game main weapon will be the claw

[visual glacier]

Assuming the next game will be a hollow knight game

Also assuming they’ll continue to make games after silksong dlc

[muted lantern]

Yeah honestly I wonder if the squirms being unhaunted is a mistake? like otherwise it is hornet just killing children pretty coldheartedly, which isnt entirely unlike her but damn girl, brutal.

[visual glacier]

It’s not out of character

[vague whale]

It's not even just not out of character it's just in character

she's like that

[stray fog]

Shamans are a tribe that spans multiple kingdoms

Your abyss point is valid

[pale narwhal]

she does wish genocide upon multiple species in pharloom

[muted lantern]

hornet is a professional babykiller, she even hurls lace into lava

[stray fog]

Why did lace laugh at the end of act 3

I don't get it

[muted lantern]

yeah, but her violence is typically in self defense, at least as of silksong. the squirms are pretty defenseless.

[pale narwhal]

not when im using all the voltvessels i have on the muckmaggots

[stray fog]

> cut off mother's arm
> get sent to the abyss
> mom almost destroys the entire kingdom trying to keep me alive
> get beaten up by hornet
> hornet almost dies in the abyss
> laugh???

[vague whale]

she's a hunter

[muted lantern]

I think its generally depicted as laces laugh is a cover for her other emotions, maybe a trauma response, kind of a "if i don't laugh im going to cry" kinda thing. Additionally to that aspect, shes also laughing at the absurdity of the situation, that the woman shes tried to murder repeatedly threw herself into the void to stop halt the lace made, and still going out of her way to rescue her. To lace it probably makes no sense, its probably ridiculous to her.

so she doesnt know what to do but laugh

[muted lantern]

ye but when it comes to sapient bugs she seems pretty merciful

[stray fog]

I thought she was just mentally unstable like that

But your explanation makes more sense

[muted lantern]

I mean shes also very unstable too

but that ties into the trauma response thing

[fathom hill]

does someone have the acmi map photos

or where to find them

feeling lazy to search for them here

[magic isle]

Yo

[edgy nebula]

sup

[magic isle]

How r we all lore discussors

[next matrix]

If we ever get a third game, I forsee that a part of the lore will be "and then the Weavers left"

[ionic bear]

plasmium is horseshoe crab blood

its blue, and has medicinal properties

plasmium is the actual blood of the abyss_creature and the abyss_creature is a horseshoe crab

[silk dirge]

wiki or https://mega.nz/folder/edVVRA4B#94IkruvZz5psFJ-Yn9v0fw

[stray fog]

We could see traces of the Weavers and the ancient civilization

[pale narwhal]

i mean something set in the Steel City would be cool

i should watch someone do the steel soul exclusive quest actually

[tacit minnow]

Hornet dont using the clothes😰

[midnight zinc]

It looks like a caterpillar with more eyes

[ionic bear]

horseshoe

characters ingame often dont look liek the bug they are

[midnight zinc]

Right…

But the blood is supposed to be the exact same as the bug it’s supposed to be?

Seems a bit logically inconsistent

[upbeat fog]

If the squit live in the bile lands wouldn’t that imply that bile water was like greenpath at one point

[dreamy onyx]

https://www.tumblr.com/hollow-knight-headcanon-farm/799050718430560256?source=share

Hollow Knight headcanon farm

you think widow is called that because her partner was killed as part of her punishment? no face or loved one to be remembered by. do you think weavers were forbidden to love anyone more than their mother?

-# #hollow knight #silksong #hk silksong #widow silksong #silk song #grand mother silk

Tumblr · Nov 1, 2025, 9:55 PM

[upbeat fog]

I know that that is what I’m literally saying

[sterile jacinth]

I think so yeah. Just with more less acidic water. Like a swamp

[sterile jacinth]

This is speculation. Cool headcanon tho

[upbeat fog]

Anyone notice that the second sentinel’s attacks look like not just pinstress attacks but also attacks from our crests

[visual glacier]

Yeah

Citadel worked with the pinstresses for a short while before betraying them

[upbeat fog]

Yes

[dreamy onyx]

I think it was just a swamp but with clear water

That or it was pristine

[twin dragon]

What if hornet silked her song

[wintry compass]

hello guys. are lumaflies and silkflies the same?

they look slightly different

I was thinking they could be different in the sense of how plasmium is the name for lifeblood in pharloom

and also, the seer ascends into what looks like a lumafly, so it could be that lumaflies are made of souls too

and since we see silkflies in karmelita's arena too, that means that silkflies are not an exclusively citadel thing too, so it is not out of the picture that hallownest would have something similar, meaning they could be the same thing

[pale pier]

do any mottled skarr survive in act 3 ?

[lapis creek]

yes

this is how you get curvesickle

and gurr (?)

am i misunderstanding the question

[pale pier]

doesnt that skarr die

[lapis creek]

when

[pale pier]

ohh the one that gives you curve claw dies but not the one that gives u sickle right?

[lapis creek]

yes

[pale pier]

okay okay

[shy dome]

I have no idea how the godmaster dlc could work for silksong cuz we already know that hornet has been called by the godseekers, twice, to fight against the knight. I'm not confused as to how the dlc would work, I'm just curious about how they will make it fit in the lore

[visual glacier]

No

[craggy smelt]

the boss rush mode probably won't even be Godseeker flavored

just send us back to Red Memory

[shy dome]

probably

it goes without saying team cherry has shocked us with every single choice more than once

and for the good

[heavy gyro]

It wouldnt make much sense if we get new variants of bosses

[craggy smelt]

a variant like what?

[heavy gyro]

Like pure vessel, sisters of battle, winged nosk in the first game

[craggy smelt]

guess it would depend on if they even make any

otherwise it's just Hornet's memories, maybe her testing herself mentally

I guess some new threat could appear that attacks Hornet in her mind
forcing her to explore her own psyche and fight stronger versions of her most memorable foes

[pale pier]

would hornet have ever known or met the mantis lords

qnd wld that appear in red memory

[wintry compass]

they are not? how come?

[visual glacier]

It’s hard to explain but silkflies were created by the whiteward out of dying choir bugs’s souls

And lumaflies are organic

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Silk_Flies

[craggy smelt]

maybe, but as cool as that would be, I don't really see TC bringing in bosses from the first game
leave that to the modders

[wintry compass]

we see them in karmelita's arena though

this would have been before the citadel even existed

[visual glacier]

This is probably an oversight

We don’t know

[wintry compass]

that's fair

if we are to explain what we have though, perhaps there's other ways to make silkflies without doing whatever the citadel did

and my headcanon is that the citadel resorted to it out of greed

in mechanisation and industrialising, it hungered for more and more, and that was why they needed the fucked up methods

[visual glacier]

Regardless, we don’t see lumaflies in pharloom unless you think that “gleamflies” are the pharloom name for them

[wintry compass]

what's gleamflies?

[visual glacier]

Only mentioned in a bellhome decoration

[wintry compass]

oh??

interesting

[viscid ridge]

The fleas also use them

[visual glacier]

Are you sure those aren’t silkflies?

[viscid ridge]

No to small to be silkflies, and it looks identical to the ones in the bellhome

[visual glacier]

Cool

Regardless, still only named in one item description

[viscid ridge]

What do you guys think the white lady looked like before she went blind

This or the later

[craggy smelt]

I think she had shiny eyes

like Greyroot

[viscid ridge]

The first one makes her look more like the vessels and common bugs, while the second ine has more of a greyroot look

[craggy smelt]

Whiteroot

[viscid ridge]

Yeah exactly

But honestly i really like the hollow eyed look, makes her look more like the pale king, and there are also concept art of her having the black eyed look

[orchid pine]

She’s blind? Huh, the more you know

[viscid ridge]

Yeah thats why her eyes are so glossy, she also says shes blind at some point

[orchid pine]

I’m an undertale fan I can’t be bothered to read

[viscid ridge]

Isnt undertale mostly dialogue? 🤣

[orchid pine]

Yes but story is for interpretation and Sans is ness I think idk Mathew Patrick said that so I’m running with it

[heavy gyro]

Isnt it because she is a root

[orchid pine]

I wonder how Greyroot and White Lady are connected. Both have very similar designs and are both “roots” in a sense

[craggy smelt]

you and me and everyone else

[craggy smelt]

she mentions 'time has clouded my eyes and I cannot see much'

[orchid pine]

They could be of the same species. It also begs the question of if that species are Higher beings in general. I just think it’s entirely possible that whatever the parasite is has the possibility of being one

[craggy smelt]

Greyroot doesn't really strike me as that powerful herself, but maybe she only plays a role in a greater process

beings like the pale children or Hornet wouldn't exactly be higher beings either, but they have the potential to become them

parasite might be the same way

(though I sort've doubt it absorbing both Hornet and Silk was somehow intended from the start, just an incredible opportunity)

[orchid pine]

Well here’s a little insanity but hear me out. There is very clearly a connection between White Lady and Greyroot. Both have power using their roots/tendrils, their designs have similarities, etc. so what if White Lady is the same species and they grow stronger by absorbing power from the land and other beings.

voracious desire to spread seeds upon the land, to propogate sic myself, to breed. -white lady
That sounds like the nature of the parasite supposedly absorbing GMS and Hornets power (again, assuming that is what happens).

[viscid ridge]

Im pretty sure that it was all black before she went blind (like greyroot)

But i also think that she could have looked like this

[twin dragon]

Memories are related to silk soo

[heavy gyro]

I think the white lady is a result of when the parasite absorbs a pale being like gms

[twin dragon]

it could make sense

[visual glacier]

Yeah but that still doesn’t make sense

Silk flies aren’t just silk

[twin dragon]

They could be, the citadel just found a way to create them

with souls

[heavy gyro]

The memory could be simply before the haunting, as it just says "before the pale monarch" which is ambiguous on what it means

[viscid ridge]

I personally think that silkflies arent solely created in the whiteward. It probably happens naturally, but the process in whiteward speeds up the process

[orchid pine]

Possible, but pale beings are very far and few between. We aren’t even sure if any exist other than PK and White Lady

[twin dragon]

Chat anyone list every single silkfly appereance

in this game

[viscid ridge]

We get a lot of evidence that when some bugs die that flies or lumaflies hatch out of them, so i think a similar thing happens with the silkflies

[orchid pine]

”Oh you like Silksong huh “

[twin dragon]

And it could js be the skarr capturing silkflies that guided the pilgrims

though we dont know if the big thing fell before the citadel

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i think personally that this memory of karmelita happens in a time between when the citidel was built and the weavers left. So they probably used normal lumaflies before the silkflies. But that begs the question, why would the weavers make silkflies if there were already silkflies?

[cedar skiff]

silkflies could be a natural process that the conductors tried to replicate in whiteward for the sake of continuing their slave machine lol

[viscid ridge]

And also lumaflies seem semi immortal so why would they need to change?

[orchid pine]

My personal interpretation is that it’s pretty likely that the Skarr fell after the citadel. Karmelita lasted a long time before she was unable to fight off the haunting or whatever it was

[viscid ridge]

Exactly my thoughts

[viscid ridge]

The skarr never really fell, it seemed like they only fell after the haunting

So very recently

[orchid pine]

This is why Sly had to charge 1900 geo for the lantern (most expensive item in Hk btw)

[twin dragon]

lumaflies arent silkflies btw

[twin dragon]

and unbreakable amulets are more expensive

[viscid ridge]

The humble divine butt charms

[orchid pine]

Oh true

Okay, new theory, why can’t I beat Pantheon 5 🫩

[viscid ridge]

My theory is that its probably markoth

[orchid pine]

You’re right 😔

[twin dragon]

my theory is that the cause is most likely shit radiance

[viscid ridge]

I have 100% silksong, but i literally cant beat p5 cause of that stupid bitch ass moth(markoth not radiance)

[orchid pine]

No abrad is easy. It’s the fact Tc put Zote after Markoth

Leth was cackling putting P5 together

[viscid ridge]

I wanna see leth beat markoth fr

[orchid pine]

Alright so have ya’ll noticed how Void seems to either avoid Lifeblood or at least leave it alone?

I’m just saying, Void won’t go near plasmified wormways and I feel like there’s a deeper connection than “voided Plasmium enemies would be too strong” (they would be but still)

[robust wagon]

The lifeblood room in hk is in the abyss tho

[cedar skiff]

wait you cant dive into the void while overdosed right

[viscid ridge]

Honestly i think its just because the void didn't reach that part of wormways, not because lifeblood is more powerful than void. Cause maybe because the lifeblood changed the innards of all the worms, it got rid of the silk that was attached to them, which makes the void unable to posses them

[orchid pine]

True, but I don’t think that completely discounts my theory. I want to ask, why is the lifeblood room located specifically in the abyss?

[viscid ridge]

I think you can. Probably before the update it got rid of the overdose, but that is probably unintentional and it got changed

[orchid pine]

Then how can Hornet still siphon silk from them?

[viscid ridge]

Its probably similar to the hollow knight. The Pale king probably trapped whatever entity causes the spread of lifeblood in a void filled space to stop it from spreading, just like how he trapped the radiance in the hollow knight

[vivid kernel]

yummy lifeblood

[cedar skiff]

ohh damn

[viscid ridge]

Probably soul. I dont think Hornet steals silk from enemies, she steals their soul, and then turns that soul into silk.

[orchid pine]

Can she do that? I’m pretty sure TK siphoning soul from enemies isn’t canon

[viscid ridge]

Like in the first game the knight was able to gain soul from hitting enemies, Hornet probably does it in the same way, but she turns it naturally into silk

[viscid ridge]

Spells?

[orchid pine]

I don’t remember the source but I have seen multiple people here state that the knight siphoning soul isn’t canon and is more just a gameplay mechanic

[viscid ridge]

I think you're maybe confusing it with the shade. The shade and cacoon mechanic are probably just a gameplay quirk, and not actual canon.

But soul gaining and spells are very much canon

[orchid pine]

Spells I know are canon, but the way the knight gains soul from striking enemies is not

[viscid ridge]

Why?

[honest musk]

Where is lifeblood from?

[lethal burrow]

huh? what makes you say so?

[lethal burrow]

some say we don't know

[orchid pine]

Like I said, I do not have the source, but I know of multiple people who regular in both lore channels state it isn’t

[lethal burrow]

they may be big dumbos

[viscid ridge]

Most likely some sort of higher being we aren't aware of yet (or some people say the abyss creature, but i personally dont think its lifeblood's source)

[lone folio]

Though they are still important to the lore specifically the regrets

[lethal burrow]

leaving the shade and cocoon behind are proper canon and the respawning at the bench and getting it back parts probably aren't imo

[viscid ridge]

Yes definitely, but it should still be considered only as a gameplay mechanic. Think of it like this, i think that Steel Soul is canon

[lethal burrow]

same steel soul canon all the way

[orchid pine]

Man I know it’s 2am where I’m at but man where are the obnoxious lore nerds when you need them 💔

[lethal burrow]

folly cannot be held

[orchid pine]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304535758899777629/1359149562396147752/attachment.gif

[viscid ridge]

Maybe next time

Heres a comprehensive list of all the higher beings we know of in the world of Hollow Knight

[robust wagon]

What's the 6th one...?

[twin dragon]

you forgot

[cedar skiff]

who the fuck could possibly be number five

[cedar skiff]

like which fucking higher being is that

[robust wagon]

What higher being is that bro

[robust wagon]

Grimm

I thought Dracula was Grimm

[robust wagon]

Which photo is he???

[cedar skiff]

oh my god bruh

[robust wagon]

Wait maybe it's not wtf 😭

[robust wagon]

We don't know if they were actually higher beings (I mean godseekers call an overgrown moss charger a god ffs)

[wintry compass]

They see your beauty, so frail and fine,
They see your peace, woven of faith and toil,
They forget your heart, bound in slumber and servitude,
When you wake they shall see your truth,
A beast's nature bare to all.

now that I think about it, pharloom's folly reminds me of the american dream

[twin dragon]

you forgot megazord

aka popularly shade lord

[viscid ridge]

Who tf 🤣

[twin dragon]

we dont know if theyre hbs

[viscid ridge]

Oh yeah i left them and the vessels and hornet out of the list

[twin dragon]

idk if hornet can be considered a hb

weaver queen hornet sure

In that case i gotchu

[viscid ridge]

I mean she does say in game she is a higher being, so im counting it. She might not be as powerful as them, but she is in part

[twin dragon]

she's like

60% ish hb

[viscid ridge]

Or she doest say she is a higher being, she says she is a pale being

[twin dragon]

Yeah well she in part is

[wary zinc]

do infected vessels physically have the infection inside their body?

obviously they have the orange eyes (broken vessel, THK)

actually nevermind. I guess so

[viscid ridge]

It probably spreads to the rest of the body after entering their minds. Like we see that the radiance tries to break out of the Hollow knights chests while we fight him

[viscid ridge]

And there you show it 🤣

[stiff fable]

guys

I have a theory why harrah looks unlike the other weavers

[twin dragon]

no.

we are NOT talking about this again

[stiff fable]

why

ok then:(

[crystal tusk]

we never discovered what was the deal with her I guess X,D

[stiff fable]

so u wanna discuss it?

what if its not only just pharlids that grandmother silk injected with silk

but since pharlids are common at the time, those were what weavers are most made from

[stiff fable]

harrah and that guy are other "test subjects" done by grandmother silk

I think harrah's species are rare

which is why she looks different

[stiff fable]

and idk what kind of monstrosity that is

harrah's species of bugs maybe too rare for grandmother silk to produce much of, so she resorted on other more common bugs

also if u see the first sinner, the mask of the first sinner is not really a full circle like the rest of the weavers

so most likely the parlid which turned into the first sinner is the first test subject that grandmother silk used to create her children

and she tried alot of other bugs

which results in different types of weavers

what if the term "weaver" is not a species, but actually just a type of bug that is injected with grandmother silk's silk

and thus making them "divine"

[hushed viper]

Before I beat the game i never understood why the clockwork dancers were the guardian to both the entrance of cogwork core and entrance to the cradle, 2 vital parts of the Citadel

That is, until i beat the game and i found out why, the clockwork dancers were modeled after a prince of one of the other kingdom that has been slain by the citadel. They were tasked to protect 2 vital parts of the citadel as a warning to others of what happens if they try to resist the citadel

[twin dragon]

no evidence on that

every weaver we see has a circular ish mask

plus they're all, all of them represented as such

no mentions of a unique specimen

[stiff fable]

Thats why its a theory 🥀

Also dont u think its strange how to most unweaver-like weaver is the queen of the spider tribe in deepnest

If shes not special then why out of all the weavers, her?

Idk man

Its just a cool thought I had in the shower

[hushed viper]

I mean she could alwas just have like

Chaged her mask

And also got fat

Cuz she's a fat bum

[inner torrent]

I don't think the midwife has ever been named as a weaver, so I suppose she is just a native of deepnest with slightly higher intelligence.

[stiff fable]

Wow

I have no words

[twin dragon]

The most capacitated for leadership or sm

[onyx pawn]

have people noticed this detail in Moss Grotto?
Small pendras!
I'll call them pends.
pend > pendra > pendragor

[hushed viper]

another thing but apart from Verdania they can also be found in moss grotto

[drifting apex]

Did the citadel exist only after the weavers rebelled against gms or there was a previous version of the citadel which wasn't meant to be some kind of huge trap for gms? Bcs iirc grey prince lover gave his body to become the model for cogwork dancers to save verdania from gms.

[heavy gyro]

Where is greymoor rain from

[wary plover]

It's silk from the citadel

[young dune]

or citadel hot baths having a leak

[wary plover]

Gms shared her power in the form of silk which you can use but the more you use it the more it binds you until eventually she claims you

[wary plover]

I would call them dragons

Short for pendragon

[wise sand]

why would hornet say this about the pharlids then?

[stiff fable]

Hornet grew up with pharlid weavers right?

[wise sand]

i think its implied by the mask maker that it was only made after they wanted to seal her

[stiff fable]

So she uses those “hard training” from those weavers as supposed from their own insticts

[wise sand]

also the cogwork/silkfly technology is something they made after pilgrimage stuff started

so the prince wouldve had to have been sacrificed after that

[wise sand]

she was trained by vespa

[stiff fable]

Surely not all her time was used on traing with vespa

Maybe after the weavers fled hallownest then hornet began training with vespa

[wise sand]

they fled after the infection got worse

[stiff fable]

But hornet stayed

Idk maybe I’m just delusional

[wise sand]

hornet was born after the first wave of the infection

she wouldve been pretty old by the second

[stiff fable]

Huh?

Idt I understand what u mean

[robust wagon]

Runoff from the underworks

[wise sand]

she wouldve been an adult for quite awhile by the time the weavers left

and wouldnt have need training from vespa

[stiff fable]

Hmm

Yea ig ur right

[wise sand]

i assume she was trained pretty early on by queen vespa given the whole "daughter of three queens" thing

[near wyvern]

just something thats been on my mind, is steel soul considered canon?

[cedar skiff]

i wonder what a hornet raised by pk would look like

purely from a character standpoint

[wise sand]

she wields a buzzsaw instead of a needle

[lone folio]

I would love to see a crest that finnaly makes her jab things

[stray fog]

People speculate a lot about thk being the protagonist of the third game, but their focus attack would be a weird starting ability

[lone folio]

Like I guess architects is kind of that but like not really

[stray fog]

Although tc could easily do something to make that not be the starting ability

[lone folio]

What where how??

[stray fog]

The pure vessel has a rune rage - like attack