sk-lore

[silk dirge]

get off tiktok and reels 😭

[edgy nebula]

slab was probably ruled by karak before karak fell

[solemn hinge]

It’s Star, what do you expect

[frosty beacon]

either way, i just hate that both of the left dead-end regions, with the top region LITERALLY HAVING CORAL INFESTATION, do not connect

[lone folio]

Yeah there is a pretty good amount of coral in one of the holes so before citadel he probably owned that area

[sinful nimbus]

I have the attention span but I could also listen to the hit song Hallagallo by Neu! like 3 times instead and get more value

[lone folio]

Then he gave upp on even trying to take over mount fay because bird god would send him to heaven

[hexed kindle]

i hope team cherry does the act 4 dlc epilouge Last along with a boss rush dlc

[edgy nebula]

khann would solo fayforn...

[frosty beacon]

nah

not even in his prime

like, those are birds, straightup

[edgy nebula]

one coral spike and that bird is dead as hell

[hexed kindle]

Wait.

[mighty swallow]

lowk true

[frosty beacon]

birds beat crabs

[lone folio]

I wonder if fayforn is like an unn kind of thing. It was once a higher being that used most of its power to create one area and some inhabitants for that area and then got weak

[frosty beacon]

uhh no

[edgy nebula]

fayforn isnt a bird... it's a bug...

ignore how i called it a bird...

[mighty swallow]

ya but not crabs with massive spikey pillars that can summon at will

[dire lynx]

unn is weak from radiances infection, not from making the mosskin

[lone folio]

It's a bird bug

[frosty beacon]

fays are just like, hbs by default ips, because they are by technicality more powerful than any non magic bug

[lone folio]

What

[mighty swallow]

ya no because it didnt create mount fay

[hexed kindle]

OH MY GOD THEY COULD TIE THOSE IN SO WELL hornet goes into more pharloom memories to learn more about the previous kingdom then restores them

[sinful nimbus]

I think Fayforn is more of an old heart than anything "Fell heart of frost"

[mighty swallow]

nah bru

[sinful nimbus]

This implies its related to or maybe even the cause of Mt Fay's cold which would make it fairly powerful

[mighty swallow]

its just a big bird bug

[frosty beacon]

well like, it would have been perfect if coral gorge was what we explored instead of just the coral tower

[lone folio]

Yeah it didn't create the entire mountian, you expect unn to do an entire excavation project for greenpath?

[sinful nimbus]

And ofc the heart imagery

[hexed kindle]

thats nyleth not fayforn

[lone folio]

Nyleth fucking sucks

[sinful nimbus]

shrue...

[mighty swallow]

ya easy bos

[edgy nebula]

thing is the old hearts are canonically called the last successors, not old hearts, so her being the fell heart of frost doesnt mean much of anything

[lone folio]

Don't even bring her upp

[mighty swallow]

unn has sucj cool lore tho\

[frosty beacon]

oh yeah nyleth is technically an hb that's funny to think about

[dire lynx]

the infection has overtaken the plants and her followers, white lady and monomon taking parts of greenpath also probably doesnt help

[hexed kindle]

thats why i said go into the memories there would be no point in reviving an already alive coral gorge

[lone folio]

Oh that's what you mean

[frosty beacon]

not nearly as powerful as creating life as unn, but like, making shellwood is no easy feat

[mighty swallow]

ya

[lone folio]

I thought you meant that unn herself was getting weakened by the infection directly which is defently not the case

[mighty swallow]

unn is so peak

[sinful nimbus]

?

[dire lynx]

fact checked true

[mighty swallow]

i love how it just spits da charm at u

[sinful nimbus]

You literally rip the hearts out of their chest too

[mighty swallow]

ya

[edgy nebula]

that's referring to the hearts themselves, not the rulers

[mighty swallow]

abd u lobotomize da green prince

[lone folio]

Watch me plant 17 weeds and wait like a decade and boom I make shellwood

Not that hard

[sinful nimbus]

Well the heart imagery is still there

[frosty beacon]

or you can plant one super weed and get shellwood in a year

[sinful nimbus]

But I agree thats a bit more tenuous as evidence

[frosty beacon]

ips that's nyleth

[hexed kindle]

shellwood didnt always have weeds its just that GMS the fat shit fucked everything up

[mighty swallow]

ya

[edgy nebula]

also if fayforn was a successor she'd probably be a bossfight or something

[mighty swallow]

before it was all flowers

[frosty beacon]

btw why did nyleth create the splinters? is she stupid?

[mighty swallow]

then splinter inveaded

and started da whole weed thing

[edgy nebula]

she didnt

[hexed kindle]

she didnt the splinters invaded. they are canonically weeds

[lone folio]

Who would win: 17 normal weeds or one big weed

[mighty swallow]

because she had already died

[frosty beacon]

oh strange

[mighty swallow]

17 weeds they team up

[hexed kindle]

pharloom bay is the closest to having dlc imo

[frosty beacon]

man this would be an amazing dlc region: splinternest

[sinful nimbus]

She's not really fading in comparison to the other ones

[hexed kindle]

well pharloom bay/lifeblood

[sinful nimbus]

But I guess Hornet grabbing hearts unethically for no reason isn't out of the question......

[mighty swallow]

wait

[lone folio]

Yeah but like... Okay I plant 36 flowers and then-

[cursive belfry]

does anyone have theories about the "||to be continued||" after the ||mushroom|| ending?

[mighty swallow]

wait that could lowk be soooo fire

[lone folio]

We wait for next game

[mighty swallow]

ya😭

[frosty beacon]

hk3, it happened after mushroom ending in hk so

[lone folio]

That's about it

[hexed kindle]

this could be in the restoration pharloom dlc

[hexed kindle]

just realised that

[frosty beacon]

isn't sister splinter like, the leader or smth tho

[lone folio]

No idea if mister mushroom could appear in a non hk game

[solemn hinge]

Could? Absolutely? Will? Dunno.

[frosty beacon]

no doubt he will when tc is done with skong

[cursive belfry]

yeah fair

[hexed kindle]

All roads lead to a pharloom restoration dlc

[mighty swallow]

lowk lifeblood dlc, godhome dlc, and some like restortation shii dlc plsss🤞

[solemn hinge]

Hornet getting the Hearts via… less than ethical means is honestly one of the most interesting parts of the narrative

[lone folio]

All great roads lest to pharloom bay.. But there's a huge fucking boulder blocking the entrance

[cursive belfry]

Yeah I want to know more about lifeblood

[frosty beacon]

it's just natural infection, not much else to it

[hexed kindle]

they are all either depressed,dead or want to die

[lone folio]

Trust me the butterfly higher being is true

[solemn hinge]

It’s still really sketchy, mostly due to Green Prince… stuff

[hexed kindle]

theres probably a higher being for it

[hexed kindle]

true

[solemn hinge]

Something something probably Abyss Creature

[frosty beacon]

what about the big lifeblood guy in the lifeblood core room in hk

[lone folio]

Butterfly lifeblood hb is my prediction and lifeblood creature is like uhh

I don't believe in lifeblood creature it's a lie

[limpid summit]

Idk why people say lifeblood creature has to be some giant head or vine mob what if it’s a pupa

[frosty beacon]

marissa is lifeblood hb real

[lone folio]

Idk man it just doesn't seem hb enough

[hexed kindle]

i have a theory on the abyss creature being a catapilar then in silksong its a butterfly

[limpid summit]

If you think it’s going to birth a butterfly HB

[frosty beacon]

MOTHRA??????????

[lone folio]

Yeah what if it's a caterpillar

[hexed kindle]

litreally just said this

[solemn hinge]

It opens and closes its eyes

[hexed kindle]

its a catapilar

[solemn hinge]

Could be

[hexed kindle]

its a dream room

[solemn hinge]

Also correct, yes

[hexed kindle]

the one in the abyss is atleast

[lone folio]

Oh yeah both places are dream...

[limpid summit]

It could pulsate and retract its cysts

[lone folio]

Which is also where the radiance resides... And I have already made connections between radiance and lifeblood butterfly hb

[limpid summit]

We only see it in the background who says those are eyes

I don’t actually believe this

[mighty swallow]

wait lifeblood higher being would be so peak

[solemn hinge]

Eh

[mighty swallow]

thatd be so awesome

[lone folio]

Ugh I feel like I'm so close to proving butterfly hb but this stupid abyss thing is in the way of my dream

[edgy nebula]

well, it visibly blinks, as in, eyes closing, it also looks like a head

[limpid summit]

I don’t want a lifeblood hb but that seems like the direction TC has chosen to take the substance

[mighty swallow]

wait which abyss thing

[solemn hinge]

I doubt you’re that close to proving it when we have not seen a HB for Lifeblood

[mighty swallow]

why not

[lone folio]

Abyss creature

[edgy nebula]

abyss monster in the lifeblood heart room

[solemn hinge]

Which is not a butterfly

[hexed kindle]

so the lifeblood higher being. resides in dreams. is a catapilar which could molt into a butterfly. has little bug sacs in its glands or sacks around the map. an infects bugs and robs them of its sense of self. and could have a possible species that worships it. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm definitley havent seen this before

[mighty swallow]

is there? don't remember it

[limpid summit]

Not everything needs a HB especially now that lifeblood can just infect people

[edgy nebula]

it's hidden in the background

[minor hill]

how did nyleth die?

[limpid summit]

I wouldn’t have minded LBB going in a different direction

[lone folio]

No way guys

[solemn hinge]

Yeah, we haven’t?

[hexed kindle]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[limpid summit]

She fell asleep

[mighty swallow]

ya

[limpid summit]

We kill her

Her worship probably stalled so she slept to recuperate idk

[minor hill]

why did she fall asleep

[minor hill]

oh ok that makes sense

[lone folio]

Next thing your gonna say is that radiance isn't actually an assassin bug

[hexed kindle]

im saying its INCREDIBLY similar to the radiance or atleast has metric shit tonnes of parrells

[edgy nebula]

you see it in the background here

[solemn hinge]

Tutu’s what the fuck are you talking about

[mighty swallow]

I want big lifeblood dlc sooooo baad

am I slow?

[lone folio]

Tutu 😭

[mighty swallow]

where in da backgroung

[edgy nebula]

face for reference

[solemn hinge]

Autocorrect decided to fuck me in the ass there sorry

[mighty swallow]

oh wait is that real

huh

[hexed kindle]

we probably will get it as pharloom bay assets are seen MANY times throughout the game and its mentioned in dialogue aswell

[solemn hinge]

Radiance isn’t the only HB that resides in Dreams, the Abyss Creature is unconfirmed to be a Higher Being, you kind of just made the butterfly part up

[hexed kindle]

the veins are butterflies and theres butterflies in jonis room

[solemn hinge]

Butterflies are a common LB motif, but also Moths (which Radiance isn’t, just designed to look like one) aren’t the same as butterflies

[hexed kindle]

thats why its a theory

a game theory

[hexed kindle]

i understand im incorrect on that

i never said they were the same but similar

[solemn hinge]

Eh

[lone folio]

I think it's like the counterpart of the radiance

[hexed kindle]

theres clear parrells dawg

just look

[limpid summit]

No don’t take that as fact I don’t remember

[lone folio]

Big butterfly creature with a similar infection but yet it's different

[solemn hinge]

Between Lifeblood and the Infection, yes

But we know literally nothing about the Abyss Creature

[limpid summit]

I’m not sure if it’s said

[lone folio]

It being a butterfly and the radiance a moth could strengthen the connection

[minor hill]

it probably isnt but thats as good a theory as any

[solemn hinge]

They are a being that is related to Lifeblood and is stuck in a dream, that is all we know

[hexed kindle]

its maybe a catapilar also the abyss creature could be retconned

[lone folio]

Since they are related in real life

[solemn hinge]

“Probably” is a bad word there

[lone folio]

Don't think so

[solemn hinge]

“Maybe” would be better

[lone folio]

It seems much to be important to be retconned

Oh well we wont know until lifeblood dlc 2

[hexed kindle]

lifeblood/pharloom bay is the most likel for a dlc

[lone folio]

Anyways goodnight gentlemen. Oh and btw I think that the pale king is a worm and not a lawnmower but that's just a theory

[solemn hinge]

Neither is correct but sure

[hexed kindle]

i think team cherry maybe wanted to get the game out so they cut and changed ALOT of stuff and are gonna repurpose it as dlc but you may be saying "but then they would have released it later" to that i say content is cut alot in games and repurposed as dlc also they litreally said "they had to stop brainstorming"

[hexed kindle]

something on the lines off

[trail wagon]

yeah it's Abyss Creature

[hexed kindle]

wyrm*

[trail wagon]

Btw do you guys think there's any reason why lifeblood is always deep underground?

I mean it's always related to some deep bioms

[hexed kindle]

i think it moreso just likes caves

[trail wagon]

Like in Hollow Knight there's a giant Lifeblood room in the Abyss, and in Silksong it's in wormways, which are somewhat similar to Ancient Basin

[hexed kindle]

as like just naturally

[trail wagon]

Gotcha

[solemn hinge]

Generally, both Hallownest and Pharloom are deep underground, like everything we see in the games

[hexed kindle]

hallownest is way closer to the surface tho

[trail wagon]

I've seen an interesting video about that comparing Lifeblood to Radiance's infection, and pointing out, that they're almost geometrically opposite

[solemn hinge]

I mean… wait is Dirtmouth on the surface

[hexed kindle]

we were litreally just talking about this

[trail wagon]

Like Radiance is associated with being hight above, and lifeblood deep below

[hexed kindle]

yeah?

[trail wagon]

ahahahah I'm sorry I haven't read that

[solemn hinge]

Fair but still

[hexed kindle]

please do

🙏

[trail wagon]

And also their infection works in a similar way

[solemn hinge]

Like, most things in the games are underground, and sometimes Lifeblood is near the surface too

[trail wagon]

okaay where should I start?

[trail wagon]

Btw butterflies, moths, kinda similar

[trail wagon]

ahahahahah

[solemn hinge]

Okay but it’s an assumption to say that the Abyss Creature is a caterpillar or butterfly

[hexed kindle]

thats the point of theory

[trail wagon]

yes

[solemn hinge]

It’s a lot of assumptions to make

[trail wagon]

maybe, but it doesn't rule out the fact that there's a similarity between butterflies and moths

[hexed kindle]

theories are meant to be dumb and alot of assumptions we get some stuff wrong but some stuff right thats the point

[solemn hinge]

Theories are… not meant to be dumb, no?

[trail wagon]

I'm not entirely sure the Abyss creature is THE lifeblood HB tbh

[trail wagon]

Agree they're meant to be smart and cool

[hexed kindle]

not dumb but "educated guesses"

[solemn hinge]

There is some evidence pointing towards it (being in Godhome) but it’s not too much to stand on

[dire lynx]

i would honestly prefer lifeblood not to have a higher being

[trail wagon]

I've always thought it was INFECTED, not that it created it

[frigid belfry]

it would be nice if it was that powerful despite not being a hb

[trail wagon]

I mean the fact that it's in Godhome might mean that it's important to the lifeblood lore, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's THE god of Lifeblood

[dire lynx]

i need five more squares to complete my #sk-lore bingo, anyone got suggestions?

[trail wagon]

wdym?

[silk dirge]

food discussion

[solemn hinge]

Is there a “Starpengu hates Silksong” square

[trail wagon]

It also kinda reminds me of this

[hexed kindle]

i feel like its a catapilar due to its butterfly theming

[solemn hinge]

Okay so ragebaiting is alr there, nvm

[silk dirge]

food discussion often happens

[trail wagon]

Glad we got this secret boss in silksong

[hexed kindle]

what in the ever living fuck is that

[dire lynx]

i almost put starpengu in brackets there lol

[hexed kindle]

butterflies

[trail wagon]

It's a cut boss (?) from the veeery first trailer for HK, from 2015

[solemn hinge]

Insane

[hexed kindle]

ahh okay makes sense why it was cut

[trail wagon]

no what GP twinks it doesn't exit twin 😭

[solemn hinge]

Off topic, maybe?

[dire lynx]

thats part of the user in wrong channel one

[trail wagon]

it's not even a theory it's just pure bs 😭

[solemn hinge]

Ah, fair

[solemn hinge]

Just like Lace not being a child

[trail wagon]

well kinda

[trail wagon]

GP twinks 😭😭😭

I'm done

[timber pond]

Steel city /sharpe should be a square

[hexed kindle]

hollowknight used to be way more like a little bug going through grand desolate wastes in concept art this one looks very cool

[dire lynx]

true, ill put that in

[solemn hinge]

I’d argue that Lace not being a child relies on not trusting what numerous characters say

[hexed kindle]

this reminds me of star wars

[trail wagon]

I would add Steel related things, but to me personaly the most important thing is The Masters, because they seem to be sooo important they might become the main antagonists of the entire series

[trail wagon]

This is scary af

[solemn hinge]

Also, Styx/Skynx discussion

[hexed kindle]

and joni but i wont get into that as thats more crackheard theory

[timber pond]

Kind of easy to do tbh though I agree with you. Like, I dont trust ANYTHING the shamans inhollow knight 1 says😂

[frigid belfry]

honestly the steel city might be perfect for a third game starring thk, almost all people from the Steel City are huge and around his size, great way to make everything bigger without plot convenience

[trail wagon]

I mean it's relative, in a sense that she's definitely an ancient creature

[dire lynx]

add nosk in there also

[trail wagon]

In comparison to bugs, but mentally and physiologically she is a child

[timber pond]

What makes you assume everything is massive

[solemn hinge]

I trust the HK Shaman, but yeah the SK ones are a bit… yeesh. Still, it relies on not at all trusting Hornet when she NEVER backs down on calling her a child, unlike Shakra who stops calling Hornet one

[timber pond]

The square should be "Skynx is nosk???!?.11"

[trail wagon]

What's up with that?

[hexed kindle]

I found styx guys🥹 🥹

[trail wagon]

I mean it's pretty clear they're not the same specie

[timber pond]

Nah that reminds me more of Huntress

[trail wagon]

is that the way you spell it? 😭

[frigid belfry]

the 2 people presumably from the city of steel are massive, and city of steel kind of implies the entire thing is manmade (bug-made ig) with a more industrial setting, so it would make sense for thk to walk around

[trail wagon]

They have different limbs

But they might be similar creatures overall, yeah

[polar fiber]

species singular is just species if thats what youre asking

[solemn hinge]

She calls her a child in their last EVER dialogue exchange, rlly funny that people don’t trust her judgement on this

Like, Lace is nearly if not older than Hornet lmfao

[frosty gate]

STILL????

[trail wagon]

I believe species without the second 's' is also correct, but it's not as common, iirc

[hexed kindle]

I cant wait to go through the pilgrimage wastes guys 🥹 🥺 🥹

[frosty gate]

I LEFT CHAT LIKE 2 HOURS AGO ARE WE STILL ON THIS?

[frosty gate]

On a THK third game trust

[solemn hinge]

Nah I brought it back up

[frosty gate]

We gonna go Berserk with THK

[solemn hinge]

I won’t dwell on it tho

[trail wagon]

oh, no, it's not, it is used sometimes, but it's incorrect, my bad

[polar fiber]

apparently its a word for like a coin

[trail wagon]

ohhh no

[trail wagon]

Shakra calls Hornet a child too

[trail wagon]

I don't think this is an evidence

[prisma jay]

can lace think/act for herself?

[solemn hinge]

And later corrects herself, calling her “Hornet Wielding Needle” at the end of her questline, since she sees that she isn’t a child

[trail wagon]

Everybody is a child from Hornet's perspective

[frigid belfry]

yeah

[solemn hinge]

Except Lace, who is potentially older

[dire lynx]

yes

[solemn hinge]

And you don’t see Hornet calling Shakra a child

[minor hill]

this is like her entire character arc

[prisma jay]

can she though the whole game?

[trail wagon]

I think the word 'child' is often used as an insult basically

[frosty gate]

He missing the size and the arm canon
Give THK a plot convenient arm canon that they only use in specific occasions to solve very specific problems but never in moments where it could be more useful

[trail wagon]

Hornet is respectful ahahhah

[frigid belfry]

yes, her entire plot is her learning she doesnt have to follow gms's will

[hexed kindle]

🥹

[solemn hinge]

Even as Hornet talks to Silk, trying to save her in Act 3, you think she still insults her?

[trail wagon]

She might actually be

But like mentally she is a child

[hexed kindle]

the knight stands out alot

[trail wagon]

Honestly I'm not really sure why it matters...

[solemn hinge]

Well, yeah that’s what I’m arguing here

[minor hill]

i mean she looks like girl and acts like a little brat

[hexed kindle]

part of me still wishes we got something like this

[solemn hinge]

Damn we’re really going over this again are we

[trail wagon]

oh yeah it's like directly said

[prisma jay]

Ok, thank you. just wanted to double check for a conversation I'm in

[trail wagon]

god i wish we got this

[hexed kindle]

fr

[trail wagon]

ahahahah

I mean I would really wanna see some huge bugs

[hexed kindle]

the migrating wastes

[minor hill]

yeah lace is definitely "the daughter" throughout the story of the game its kind of like thats her whole character story

[prisma jay]

Thought so i just wanted to double check

[hexed kindle]

we have seen no like kaiju ass giga bugs

[hexed kindle]

only shells

[minor hill]

although saying that she remains as such after act 3 is basically just denying her agency

[solemn hinge]

Remains as what

[frigid belfry]

i personally wish we got to see more about wyrms

[trail wagon]

We actually might, I think

[hexed kindle]

we might in a steel city game or dlc

[minor hill]

the role of a child and/or daughter

[solemn hinge]

I feel like that would be too out of place, I won’t lie

[trail wagon]

Btw guys, who do you think will be the main character of the third game? (Except Pablo)

[frigid belfry]

best hb concept and presentation ive seen, yet we only got to see one lmao,

[frosty gate]

Yes, because Hornet never actually tells Lace she's going to save her, it's just a Journal entry for her own personal thoughts, but she's got to keep the rival dynamic going. If she drops the act she might actually look like she cares

[solemn hinge]

I mean, she’s still a child mentally, but one who doesn’t need to take orders anymore

[frigid belfry]

WE (yes we) are playing as thk trying to find his purpose after etv in the city of steel

[trail wagon]

Doesn't she only say it in the Lost Lace entry?

[frosty gate]

Yes, just that entry

[trail wagon]

I've always thought that it reflect her thoughts throughout the fight

[hexed kindle]

rebel steel seer or something or rebel steel king child or steel ruler child

[trail wagon]

Yeah

[hexed kindle]

i wouldnt mind that

[edgy nebula]

im sad team cherry didnt include the postcredits scene where lace and hornet run out from the abyss only to get their ass murdered by gargant glooms /j

[trail wagon]

I mean I think if there will be a third game, it will feature a brand new character, or at least I hope so

[minor hill]

i think acting like a child and being a child mentally are different things

[solemn hinge]

She does both yea

[trail wagon]

ahahahahhaahhaha

[wide mauve]

reminds me of the surface

[solemn hinge]

They’re two different things, but she is both of those things

[minor hill]

shes definitely been through the works and has seen a lot of shit

[wide mauve]

having giant roaming mantises would be so cool on the surface

[trail wagon]

Because we don't really have any characters who would fit the story and who could work as a playable character

[minor hill]

not to mention that she has been alive for a very long time

[hexed kindle]

i hate how ppl say lets play as quirrel next game as numb 1 hes dead numb 2 what upgrades would he have numb 3 he would have to get buffed into oblivion

[solemn hinge]

Yeah, but mental age isn’t actually defined by experience

[minor hill]

what is it defined by

[solemn hinge]

For us humans, brain development

If your brain couldn’t develop, you would stay a child for as long as you live

[trail wagon]

Like we're 100% not getting Quirrel or Seth because I don't think they feel significant enough to be the main protagonist of one of the games

Zote is just a joke

[hexed kindle]

thats why a rebellious steel ruler child is the way to go and then as the story goes on they mature and overcpme the evil rulers of the steel city

[minor hill]

so basically youre speculating that lace's brain isnt developed

[frigid belfry]

fym the hb of hb's is a joke?

[minor hill]

or the fake bug demigod equivalent or whatever

[frigid belfry]

smite the nonbeliever

[solemn hinge]

That her… equivalent of that can’t, yes

[trail wagon]

Yeah, also I really like the idea that the third game might be about a thriving kingdom

[trail wagon]

ma bad

[hexed kindle]

plus they are too weak the bug has to be part higher being

[minor hill]

her actions dont really reflect that so i dont know what youre basing this on

[solemn hinge]

What do you mean

[dire lynx]

where is my lace bingo card

[minor hill]

im asking you what youre basing this idea that lace has the physical equivalent of a child's brain on

[frosty gate]

Haven't finished it, my bad

[solemn hinge]

Something something caretaker quote

[minor hill]

that can easily refer to her mindset regarding her status as gms's perfect daughter or whatever

that doesnt necessarily reflect her mental maturity

[solemn hinge]

Not necessarily, but it’s more evidence towards her being a child mentally than not

[hexed kindle]

and if your wonderring "how would enemies work" the whole steel city could be hunting the protag for promisies of salvation or something tieing into mindless faith

[hexed kindle]

this could work

[solemn hinge]

The game practically beats you over the head with Lace being a child

[trail wagon]

Yeah. I don't think we're getting a second game about Hornet, because it might confuse people, because Silksong was supposed to be associated with Hornet, and everything there was related to her, reflecting her abilities and martial style. The Knight is the Shade Lord now, even though it might be cool to play as a god destroying everything, I think it's pretty clear we're not getting that for a full game. So the only sound option I see is a new character

[frosty gate]

I would find it hilarious if TC just came out and explictly said Lace isn't an actual child

[solemn hinge]

They should

[minor hill]

yeah it does that because her entire arc is her freeing herself from that role

[edgy nebula]

she frees herself from the role of a child, but she's still mentally and physically stunted as a child

[solemn hinge]

A child isn’t something you can just stop being because you get rid of your mom

[hexed kindle]

the theory i just made sounds accurate

[trail wagon]

guys sorry for interrupting but why is it relevant whether Lace is a child?

[minor hill]

deciding what she becomes after the story is speculation honestly but if youre going to follow through with her story about her having free agency then it wouldnt make sense for her to continue being mentally a child considering that children are dependent and the ones that arent usually had something going on

[solemn hinge]

Something something shipping discourse

[trail wagon]

yeah

[trail wagon]

ahahahahahha

[solemn hinge]

I think assuming that she would immediately because an adult mentally is kinda diminishing of how severely GMS affected her

[minor hill]

in all honesty she probalby does become dependent on hornet after gms falls because she will unravel without silk

[solemn hinge]

You can’t just stop being a child all of a sudden, especially when you were made to be one

[trail wagon]

I mean I don't think Lace can possible stop being a child. She was made by the GMS with a specific purpose of being her daughter, and I feel like she is basically like a "doll" playing the role of her child

[hexed kindle]

lace is clearly still a child and harbors trauma she litreally some rebillous child who hate their mother and after ending her mother that doesnt immediatly disqaulify her from being a child SHE IS STILL A CHILD and she still needs to grow as a character

[trail wagon]

And that's why she is mentally a child

[dire lynx]

dammit im so close

[trail wagon]

It's not about her being a minor

[wise sand]

Does she call anybody that isn't a child a child?

[trail wagon]

how can you look like a child in the world of HK? 😭

[dire lynx]

ask caretaker

"Looks of a child and a mind to match"

[dire lynx]

only runt and lace, she also calls Nuu "young one"

[trail wagon]

Hornet doesn't, but other characters do. If anything, I'm not making a case for Lace not being a child, I agree she is one, but I don't think Hornet's dialogue is a sufficient evidence, we have other better arguments

[solemn hinge]

Runt and Nuu are pretty explicitly children yes

[trail wagon]

Yeah

[silk dirge]

how does runt know english if bro was just born a second ago

[trail wagon]

And Hornet is being called the Old One

[mighty swallow]

lace has the mind of a child, but is actually almost as old as hornetherself

[frosty gate]

The only child looking things we've seen have been Nuu, Runt, Sherma, Pebb, Myla (Kinda) and I guess technically TK

[solemn hinge]

She also calls Sherma “little one” but that just cause he short

[silk dirge]

fast af learner

[hexed kindle]

hornet could i guess give her the silk hearts or venture back to the void somehow and use gms body to make a never ending source or in the final silk soar using the left over silk from gms she gives it lace as a silkheart.i feel like making her dependent on hornet doesnt make lace independent as a character maybe plus her being dependent on gms then to hornet just sounds like a cycle for her

[silk dirge]

sherma is definitely younger

id say sherma is probably like a very young adult

[mighty swallow]

ya

[frosty gate]

Probably not too close, but yes

[solemn hinge]

On the younger side for sure, I think young adult is a good estimate yeah

[trail wagon]

Hornet in the Red Memory

[wise sand]

I doubt hornet is just insulting her tbh

[frosty gate]

That baby

[wise sand]

In the first interaction maybe

[silk dirge]

beastlings

[dire lynx]

pebb calls herself old

[sinful nimbus]

Before the game came out we saw Hornet calling Lace a child in the 2025 demo and I remember me and a few other people saying she was just trashtalking and its not proof of anything 😭

[mighty swallow]

i think thats a rlly good point, probly hwo she gives the leftover super silk soar to lace

[frosty gate]

That's like a dog

[wise sand]

But she never stops

[trail wagon]

What I'm saying is that the world of HK is so diverse you cannot know if some bug is an adult or not just by looking at them without seeing other members of their species

[frosty gate]

Oh shit really? Mine died

[sinful nimbus]

OK but clearly you can

[dire lynx]

"Well, before you embark, won't you stop and make trade with an old pilgrim?"

[wise sand]

Same😭

[trail wagon]

Because some big bugs are children, and some small are ancient

[sinful nimbus]

If you couldn't Caretaker wouldn't say that

[solemn hinge]

Damn, you were fr the blueprint for these fuckass people lmfao

[frosty gate]

Oh wait, Pebb, I meant the small Pilgrim, pib? Pill?

[silk dirge]

also best image on the wiki

[silk dirge]

pilby

[trail wagon]

I mean WE can't, as people, not the characters in the world

[hexed kindle]

In the end she wanted to be disconnected from gms and anyone and be her own character not just a muckmaggot leeching off someone

[dire lynx]

Pilby

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah yeah true

[trail wagon]

I don't think we can tell if Lace looks like a child or not, it's really relative

[sinful nimbus]

The weaver one is kinda tuff

[hexed kindle]

happy i saved them

[trail wagon]

Like if we haven't seen the big one, we might've as well thought these are adult versions

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah we can't tell we're more relying on text

[hexed kindle]

☝️

[mighty swallow]

i dunno

[trail wagon]

Yeah, that's a response to the "she doesn't look like a child" argument

[mighty swallow]

i still think that hornet gives her the extra silk heart form gms super soar

or smthn like that

[wise sand]

She could look like the child of whatever species gms modeled her after

[sinful nimbus]

?

[trail wagon]

all we know is that this is a child

[mighty swallow]

ewwwwww

[sinful nimbus]

Needing someone to take care of you because of an innate part of who you are isn't leeching

[mighty swallow]

that thing is soooo nasty and smelllyyyyy

[wise sand]

Also its kinda weird that tc would include that if they didnt want us to think that she doesn't have the appearance of a child

[dire lynx]

tell that to leeches

[silk dirge]

hornet speechbubble

[trail wagon]

he's cute

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet talks about how despite Lace having unique traits and a unique creation she's still a person in the Cradle

[hexed kindle]

also from laces defeat she looks dead and could have revived her with the silk

[trail wagon]

I haven't smelled him

[mighty swallow]

ya but it makes u feel dependent

[sinful nimbus]

If those unique traits were rolled back it'd be kinda silly writing

[mighty swallow]

so I think that lace wants to be independent

[hexed kindle]

true

[mighty swallow]

wait

[trail wagon]

What if

[mighty swallow]

...wat

[silk dirge]

nah lace is perfectly fine

hornet has infinite silk when resting

[mighty swallow]

wait thas true

[silk dirge]

as long as hornet lives lace lives

[hexed kindle]

silkeaters are described as grubs btw so yeah

[mighty swallow]

but lace doesn't

[silk dirge]

eva is hard carrying lace

[trail wagon]

I mean nothing really, they're probably somewhat similar, but I'm wondering if we'll ever see any other creatures similar to flukes in silksong

[trail wagon]

Yeah, also there used to be a "Song eater lair"

[mighty swallow]

wait if you give lace silkeaters, can she use them to sustain herslef

[silk dirge]

thats probably an early version of first sinner

[frosty gate]

As long as Hornet can produce it, Lace is quite fine

[hexed kindle]

having lace be dependent off hornet just feels dumb in my opinion

[trail wagon]

wouldn't they eat her?

[sinful nimbus]

Silkeaters would probably eat her alive

[mighty swallow]

since they can "call silk throughout pharloom to them"

[trail wagon]

I thought it might've been a variation of bell eater

[mighty swallow]

oh wait ay

ya*

[silk dirge]

its right under "the prison" so its probably an early version of her

[trail wagon]

No, I don't think so btw, the First Sinnner was called the First Weaver in Ari's sketchbook

[wise sand]

Flukes arent grubs

[hexed kindle]

she could always give her slyphysong somehow which makes sense using weaver tech maybe

[mighty swallow]

ya. I think she should jus get a silkheart

[silk dirge]

i mean like very early concept

[mighty swallow]

or give lace a weavelight

[trail wagon]

aren't they worms?

[frosty gate]

You can't

[silk dirge]

pre sketches

[hexed kindle]

thats why i said silk eaters

[wise sand]

Yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Song Eater is what "Penance by swallowing" refers to

[trail wagon]

btw

guys, important question

are worms, wyrms, and vyrms different species?

[wise sand]

I thought you were agreeing with them

[mighty swallow]

ya

[silk dirge]

the way it works is hornet generates silk from sylphsong, gives that silk to lace

[timber pond]

Yes

[silk dirge]

lace survives

[dire lynx]

yes

[mighty swallow]

worm is a worm, wyrm a higher being, and vyrm electrified

[hexed kindle]

hornet could just make a silkheart

[timber pond]

Lace becomes an immobile sheep

[wise sand]

Vyrms?

[trail wagon]

why did they call it a vyrm 😭

[dire lynx]

voltnest

[hexed kindle]

nno

[mighty swallow]

wait ya potentially

[trail wagon]

voltnest worm

[silk dirge]

bc they cant call it a wyrm

literally the only reason lmao

[frosty gate]

She can't just give away Eva.
Plus, even if dependent, it's a good thing they stick together and Lace learns what it means to have someone who doesn't view you as a tool

[wise sand]

Oh

[mighty swallow]

ya true

[trail wagon]

so is there any correlation between various Worms and the Wyrm?

[hexed kindle]

this is also true

[silk dirge]

vyrm and wyrm mean the same things just tc had to name it something different

[frosty gate]

L: Would you use me as a tool just like my mother did?
H: You would have to be useful in the first place

[dire lynx]

they lack legs

[mighty swallow]

but still, I think they should stick together as a bond/friendship, not necessity

[trail wagon]

I mean they're just making shi up atp 😭 🥀

[hexed kindle]

yh

[snow sonnet]

I swear I remember reading "voltwyrm" lmao
Im gonna keep calling it that

[mighty swallow]

lmaooo

[mighty swallow]

yk?

[hexed kindle]

dont forget about the byrms in the cradle

[mighty swallow]

da wat>

[frosty gate]

It can be both

[trail wagon]

For my entire playthrough I thought the ducts were called "purified" and not "putrified"

[mighty swallow]

ya true

[mighty swallow]

lock in bru

[trail wagon]

who?

[silk dirge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1380233368523898991/1432570427116359742/delicious-i-like-you-already-v0-upxv9vrdvjxf1.webp?ex=6914a66d&is=691354ed&hm=f6778d34e8a62f8a3c3245025ec96217f9d7ca7666a4ac0a4a361669220a4067&=&format=webp

[frosty gate]

Lace will probably deny Hornet's help and Hornet will just force feed her Silk.
Lace is quite literally suicidal

[mighty swallow]

ya true

[hexed kindle]

purified ducts is just non polluted ducts

[trail wagon]

yeah

[mighty swallow]

i think she changed after da void tho

[trail wagon]

and I was wondering why they would be purified

[hexed kindle]

doubt it

[trail wagon]

they don't have as much clean water

[mighty swallow]

🤷‍♂️

[frosty gate]

Yeah we don't know about that, we don't see much

[trail wagon]

btw

[mighty swallow]

ya

[silk dirge]

i wonder how funny it would be at the pharloom meetup party post act 3

[trail wagon]

I'mna start a 24+ hour conversation

[silk dirge]

lace just appears

[mighty swallow]

thats be fire

[silk dirge]

"who tf are you?"

[trail wagon]

Which HK ending is cannon? 👀

[silk dirge]

bc no one alive knows who lace is

[mighty swallow]

dream no more and embrace da void i think

[frosty gate]

Oh thanks, I forgot to add this to the bingo

[unique canopy]

Mr. Mushroom ending

[silk dirge]

snail shamans knew but theyre cooked

[wise sand]

Hornet sends lace to bilewater

[trail wagon]

HAHAHHAHA

[mighty swallow]

nahhhhhh\

[trail wagon]

I mean I think it's only embrace the void

[mighty swallow]

willlld

[trail wagon]

Because we see the Shade Lord

[silk dirge]

hollow knight end credits

[wise sand]

We need to know what happens to thk

[mighty swallow]

"time-out, lace"

[trail wagon]

They only exist in the ETV ending

[frosty gate]

"It's just a flash of it and we see the Lord of Shades form being used, so we don't know"

[trail wagon]

He's gotta join the SL

[trail wagon]

wha?

[trail wagon]

They wouldn't show it if they weren't trying to say something

[silk dirge]

thk napping on the nearest bench while 20 choir clappers assault hornet

[frosty gate]

Don't - Don't fucking upvote me I disagree with that statement, I was saying it in sarcasm

[trail wagon]

AHAHHAHAHA

[frosty gate]

I full believe it's EtV

[trail wagon]

I think it still can separate into siblings

but idk why people still try to make all endings cannon

[timber pond]

Nah fam, in 2 and half years ,we get a trailer of Steel assasin Sharpe carrying him away in his own cage.💀

[trail wagon]

I mean I think what TC meant is that all endings show things that can POTENTIALLY happen, but it doesn't mean they HAPPENED

[mighty swallow]

i think it's also partly Dream no More

as well as EtV

[timber pond]

I like the idea of the other kingdoms going like "Huh , Hallownest is actually completely Threat less now?! FUCKING JUMP THEM"

[trail wagon]

Like the Cursed ending is showing what the parasite is capable of, but it doesn't mean it happens cannonically

[silk dirge]

JUMP ELDERBUG

[mighty swallow]

ya 100%

[frosty gate]

I mean, I've said this before, no one was dumb enough to do an invasion into Hallownest, that place is a meat grinder

[wise sand]

Lace dies right here

[silk dirge]

tbh since we dont know when silksong takes place relative to hk its possible elderbug is just fucking dead by the time silksong happens

[trail wagon]

I want more lore about the parasite

[frosty gate]

Hornet just got jumped probably

[mighty swallow]

i think true ending is what happens canonicly fo skong

[trail wagon]

after it?

[mighty swallow]

with da knight

[timber pond]

" elder bug gets captured and enslaved would actually go kinda hard though and give me a reason to hate the masters in the context of a narrative lol

[silk dirge]

not how much time passed

[mighty swallow]

not da weaver queen ending

[trail wagon]

ohh you're right

Sealed siblings is the only cannonical one btw

[frosty gate]

Just let the guy die of age please, he doesn't deserve anything

[silk dirge]

for all we know the citadel could still be ran by weavers during hk endings

[mighty swallow]

bruh

literally only 100% non-canonical

(I get it sarcasm)

[sinful nimbus]

Elderbug glaze in the big 25

[trail wagon]

almost certainly no

[frosty gate]

That's actually the one that's probably not possible

[mighty swallow]

ya cause of deepnest

[trail wagon]

the Weavers escaped Pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

So

[frosty gate]

Just some

[trail wagon]

And some went to Hallownest

[silk dirge]

that was pre citadel

[mighty swallow]

no

[timber pond]

That actually might be a reasonable answer to "why does weaversong say they go back" if some kind of control was still present, even though they knew it was waning

[trail wagon]

Didn't all escape?

[mighty swallow]

they BUILT the citadel

[frosty gate]

Some stayed, some left

[silk dirge]

some weavers escaped pharloom before the citadel

[sinful nimbus]

Atla weavers did

[trail wagon]

Wdym they literally built the Citadel

[mighty swallow]

no some stayed for da weavensts

[frosty gate]

We don't really know

[sinful nimbus]

Cindril left to escape GMS which means the Citadel wasn't built yet

[frosty gate]

Timeline is messy, I've tried

[trail wagon]

I thought all of them left?

[silk dirge]

yeah a group of weavers around weavenest cindril left pharloom

[trail wagon]

We need more details

[silk dirge]

other weavenest groups stayed

[sinful nimbus]

The Citadel weavers died

According to Ballador and the Rune Harp he carries

[trail wagon]

Yeah, we have a lore tablet saying that

[mighty swallow]

the ones stayed cause thats where you get all of hornets abilities like sprint, silk skilss, and other shi

[timber pond]

Diffrent weavenests are diffrent groups of weavers probably

[mighty swallow]

nah each weavenest is named after a diff weaver

[timber pond]

They are all weavers mind you ,but they had diffrent objectives

[trail wagon]

Although not sure, it says "we will die", but does it mean they ACTUALLY died, or did they just assume they will?

[silk dirge]

i mean they look pretty dead to me

[trail wagon]

ahahhahaha

[trail wagon]

I think they're somewhat alive

[sinful nimbus]

So the timeline is
Cindril weavers leave
Atla establishes the Citadel
Citadel Weavers eventually start dying because ??? leaving the conductors to take over

You could say the Cindril Weavers of Hallownest returned before they all died

[timber pond]

They are effectively mumified. So SOME part of them still persists. But kinda in stasis preventing death

[trail wagon]

Here's the world map

[frosty gate]

I don't think all Cindril Weavers went to Hallownest, they probably divided in groups, Herrah leading hers

[silk dirge]

oh fuck nah

[trail wagon]

ahahahhaha

[silk dirge]

these dlc maps are so silly 😭

[trail wagon]

I would die if it was the case

Like it's just

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[trail wagon]

incredible

[sinful nimbus]

That's why I specified "of Hallownest" but maybe it wasn't clear enough

[timber pond]

Some of this is whack as hell dawg 😂

[trail wagon]

Do we think the City Of Steel is Bellhart?

[minor hill]

yo wtf is this

[frosty gate]

Nope, bells aren't steel

[timber pond]

Kek map

[minor hill]

thats sick

[trail wagon]

prolly

[trail wagon]

some redditor made it

somebody is a genius

[timber pond]

" Hey its not going well here in hallownest, mabye they solved the problem back home?" 💀

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah uh the weavers going back to Pharloom is strange in retrospect

[frosty gate]

Nah I just didn't get it.
I wonder what happened to those who came back, if they even did, I really need a timeline and I have to make so many more assumptions to make it make sense

[sinful nimbus]

Maybe they had 2 cans and a really long silk strand to communicate with home

[frosty gate]

I don't think it's that weird, what's weird is that we don't know of them.
Or at the very least, they're not mentioned

[silk dirge]

yeah

[wise sand]

no

[timber pond]

It could have very well been that they had no other choice but to flee hallownest since the pale king was fucked and the infection killed everything.

And they didn't know where else to go cause they would die

[silk dirge]

crackhead theory its possible hornet convinced the weavers of hallownest having children was possible so when they ran from hallownest they went to all these various places and had children there

[minor hill]

all that means is that they would have to leave not go to pharloom

[trail wagon]

Right

[frosty gate]

It makes sense if they came back not knowing what was happening in Pharloom, probably thought they were still in power, so by the time the get there its like "Well shit"

[silk dirge]

who are the cradle weavers

[timber pond]

OK but fucking where bro

[minor hill]

they were probalby wondering the same thing when the left pharloom

and guess what htey found a new place

[trail wagon]

There's one more thing, I don't see enough people talking about that

[sinful nimbus]

idk what would prevent them from going literally anywhere else

[timber pond]

No they were not. They had a map at least. Now its been an anon and they don't have one

[minor hill]

source

[timber pond]

The map in weavenest cindril

[silk dirge]

the cindril map is just "paths away from pharloom"

[minor hill]

im 95% sure that only shows ways out of pharloom

[frosty gate]

Honestly, the constant theme of Weavers being brats would fit them going back home because it was comfy

[silk dirge]

it could be like we sensed a kingdom in this direction lets run there

[minor hill]

they have incentive to NOT go to pharloom

unless they had the equivalent of "shit i left the stove on" they would NOT be going back

theyre hardy they can probably wander anyway

[frosty gate]

I mean, it's what they did according to HK, but who knows, could be a Retcon

[timber pond]

Oh yeah sure. Let's go to the city of steel that sounds welcoming 😂 . Yep I sure do love living in the Sandsea Waste! Or how about the nice serenity of the fucking "Black Barrens"?💀 . No, from my estimation there is nowhere civilized that would welcome them, especially with thoer reputation

[minor hill]

• we know that other kingdoms exist so its not like they wouldnt find something

[trail wagon]

Is it just for funsies?

[silk dirge]

yeah

[timber pond]

It was probably a gamble to be honest.

[mighty swallow]

bruh

[sinful nimbus]

These are not the only kingdoms in the entire universe and if you're going to mention those I can bring up the Lands Serene

[timber pond]

They figured mabye another weavenest figured something out

[trail wagon]

I really hoped there would be some secret, like you need to find some number sequence and you could do something

[minor hill]

if theyre going to gamble then why would they go back to the one place where they KNOW theres a huge problem

they would realistically just find a new place

[timber pond]

I don't think land serene would welcome them either.

[sinful nimbus]

Also Pharloom isn't all sunshine and rainbows either

[minor hill]

based on what???

[silk dirge]

also whatever the fuck "blackwyrm" is

[unique canopy]

I'm still convinced Absolom was the group that came back from Hallownest, and they did so specifically because they wanted to see if void could work on GMS (and failed, because it's the void)

[mighty swallow]

evil pale king

[mighty swallow]

ya same

[frosty gate]

Not a bad Theory

[silk dirge]

the problem is theres only one weaver there

[minor hill]

void giving 0 fucks since the beginning of time

[silk dirge]

who says "we who remained"

[mighty swallow]

nah it was named after her

there could have been more

[timber pond]

If there are alot of indaviduals like Zemer, then they would likely be at odds from thier desires. If its a place that is strongly connected to pale beings. And the weavers denied one. But we know almost nothing about that place, so zemers demeanor is all I can really glean

[silk dirge]

then where tf are they

did they just decided to dip into the void one day

[mighty swallow]

crashing over at absoloms weavenest😁

[sinful nimbus]

Ze'mer is a chill gal and Weavers were all chill with the Pale King if we're going off of Pale Being relationship logic

But this is all baseless

[mighty swallow]

uhhhh...
"..."slipped into the void

[sinful nimbus]

Nothing says opps of Pale Beings aren't welcome in the Lands Serene

[frosty gate]

I heavily doubt Weavers were chill with PK

[mighty swallow]

"ph no another one?"

oh*

[minor hill]

ok so youre speculating?? i still dont really know what youre talking about and we already know they'll deal with a pale being as long as its not gms because they coexisted with the pale king even if it was a shitty relationship, wheres the conflict

[unique canopy]

It's the void, that's not an implausible result

[timber pond]

We don't know if pale king is an exception to the rule. And hornet makes it sound like he is to some degree.

[silk dirge]

they probably helped him

[frosty gate]

They probably were cooperative at best

[sinful nimbus]

In other words, chill

[mighty swallow]

ya

[silk dirge]

i mean it would make sense weavers were apprehensive about working with another pale being

[foggy fractal]

🥶 me rn

[timber pond]

We only know pale beings seek devotion or destruction. So we cant say with certainty "They are all Chill"

[sinful nimbus]

PK isn't an exception to a rule he's just as evil as the rest of them

[minor hill]

i definitely did not say that and that still doesnt answer my question

[sinful nimbus]

My main point is that saying you need to be on good terms with Pale Beings in order to squat in the lands serene is baseless

[minor hill]

yeah the weavers were definitely neutral with pk at best and opposing factions at worst and they still coexisted

[timber pond]

The nature of how the Land serene is structured is foreign to us. So we cant know if they would even get along with the way any particular pale being there would do things.

[mighty swallow]

ya

[minor hill]

dude literally had the mantises fuck them over and they didnt leave

[mighty swallow]

wait wat when

[minor hill]

well i guess not the weavers specifically mb more just the bugs of deepnest in general

[mighty swallow]

ya ok

[timber pond]

If its a place high above the surface that might cause issue for weavers specifically but who knows.

[mighty swallow]

cuz i was confused for a sec

[minor hill]

ok so if its unknown how its structured then why would they go to pharloom, where they KNOW is a bad place to be, over the lands serene

[timber pond]

Firstly they probably wouldn't know how to get there and secondly we cant compare them because we know nothing about one of them.

[minor hill]

you were the one who asserted that pharloom was a better choice

also "not knowing how to get there" sure as hell didnt stop any of the weavers that fled

[timber pond]

Not saying its better. Just that the weavers that still even Lived probably like a few couldnt survive another trek anywhere other than back home.

[unique canopy]

Spreading out to as many locations as possible would've been beneficial for the Weavers to avoid too much attention in one place if GMS wakes up, as well as to try and find a way to permanently deal with her

[mighty swallow]

ya

but they dumb. so they didnt

[minor hill]

based on what we've seen weavers are very hardy creatures and also going back home goes against their whole deal

[mighty swallow]

ya

[minor hill]

the reason why they left iss because they would literaly rather deal with anything other than pharloom and gms's shit

[mighty swallow]

fr

[minor hill]

well they kinda did weavers were brought in from all kinds of places according to the cradle cages

they didnt all like mass migrate to hallownest at least

[mighty swallow]

oh huh. rlly?

didnt know that

[minor hill]

ye

[unique canopy]

On top of Hallownest there's at least three separate places

[mighty swallow]

huh

[unique canopy]

Probably more since we only see those three notes, but there's a lot more cages

[dire lynx]

they dont mean literally above, "on top of" like additionally to

[mighty swallow]

ya

unn is so peak

[minor hill]

unn is the only real idgaf'er in the entire franchise

[mighty swallow]

best charm in hk. so peak how he jus spits it at u

[dire lynx]

*she

[mighty swallow]

thought he was a boss at first

[mighty swallow]

ya

[mighty swallow]

fr

[mighty swallow]

in da void to help u kill da radiance

[dire lynx]

i only need two more for my bingo card

[minor hill]

thk in pharloom jrpg spinoff

[minor hill]

the jrpg spinoff is a rite of passage it has to happen eventually right (this is cope)

[silk dirge]

got more pixels?

[dire lynx]

why is it so SMALL

[minor hill]

I NEED A MICROSCOPE

[dire lynx]

also, ive already checked that cutscene way to many times he aint there

[minor hill]

they sleeping they need it dawg

[foggy fractal]

yeah they left it ambigious for a reason

[mighty swallow]

he's the one that lods the radiance so you can kill it

in da dream no more ending

holds*

[dire lynx]

ur a regular here, any suggestions for the last two spaces?

[foggy fractal]

let's take a look...

[mighty swallow]

for da bottom left, smthn like beasts?

[foggy fractal]

cut content discussion, sometimes go hand in hand with dlc speculation but I think is different enough

[minor hill]

wait actually what are the little weavers deal

[dire lynx]

retcon

[minor hill]

really?

[mighty swallow]

and da other one, i dunno, prob shade lord or smthn

[minor hill]

they just got retconned

[mighty swallow]

im lowk kinda slow so i dunno

[dire lynx]

assuming they are weaver kids

[minor hill]

theyre probably just like fake weavers or whatever idfk

how about land of storms for one of those spaces

[dire lynx]

they are real weavers, in Aris sketchbook there is a page titled weavers and both are there

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think Team Cherry would go so low as to retcon something like that with no explanation

[dire lynx]

not often enough touched on for bingo

[minor hill]

with lore explanations or direct implications or theyre just there?

[sinful nimbus]

Little Weavers are servants and not actually biologically related to weavers

• Weavers are incapable of breeding under normal circumstances, it is described as "Near impossible" and Herrah needed to breed with a literal god to have a child
• Little Weavers do not produce normal weaver soul-silk (Indicated by a distinct white glow) but rather regular spider's thread
• Weavers are known to keep slave species

[minor hill]

ok then just godhome/godseekers

wait its sk lore not hk lore nvm

[silk dirge]

whats up with all the silk in hidden station

[foggy fractal]

oh do you have mask disccusion here yet

[dire lynx]

OMG HOW DID I MISS THAT

[foggy fractal]

yeah lmao

[minor hill]

colonization? idfkl

i need to read up on the weaver lore

is the mossbag video any good

[silk dirge]

it has a few errors but its mostly good

[minor hill]

ok

[sinful nimbus]

do NOT get lore information from any source other than EL CHIEFO

[foggy fractal]

who ?

[minor hill]

who ?

[mighty swallow]

wait thats lowk smart

[silk dirge]

that means not getting lore from any place in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

Mr. Gurr is Gilly's father

[midnight zinc]

The weavers were giving the Pale King silk to use in his workshop, perhaps for him to be able to create certain spells or seals. There's wheels of silk in his workshop in the white palace.

[minor hill]

i mean it could just be a reference and nothig more

[foggy fractal]

I just wonder what happened to that one alive weaver we see in hollow knight

[minor hill]

idk if that should be considered

[midnight zinc]

How did you miss Snail Shaman discourse?

[minor hill]

"hello there will be a sequel about us" *dips

[foggy fractal]

shit how did I miss that one

[dire lynx]

huh?

[sinful nimbus]

[midnight zinc]

Usually about their alleged retcon to be related to or knowledgable of the void somehow

[foggy fractal]

basically are snail shamans void ? that's the discourse

[minor hill]

thats a good space ngl

[foggy fractal]

retcon discussion is already on there no ?

[midnight zinc]

Most people agree they're not void, but some people think they're relared to the ancient civilization for some reason, and the ones who don't think its a retcon that they even know what the void is.

[midnight zinc]

I guess, but that's vague and there's usually entirely separate discussions around the different alleged retcons

[foggy fractal]

true

[minor hill]

why do the snails just vaporize after the red memory cutscene

[midnight zinc]

I mean "Herrah" is one of the squares but the only discourse I see about her is how she was allegedly retconned to be a weaver

[minor hill]

also what is their relationship to the void

[midnight zinc]

The power of the spell they were doing required more than just the hearts Hornet collected, so they get absorbed during it too

[foggy fractal]

also attempts at possible explanations that could exist in universe

[minor hill]

makes sense

[midnight zinc]

They think its neat

[silk dirge]

a possible explanation for snail shamans is the ones in pharloom mess around with void but the ones in hallownest dont

[minor hill]

ok

[silk dirge]

which could explain why hornet is surprised at it

[minor hill]

then why shade soul and descending dark spells snails

[silk dirge]

she definitely doesnt seem like she expected snail shamans to use void

[silk dirge]

tk voidified normal soul

[midnight zinc]

Except its acknowledged that Hornet is in some way aware of their interest in the Void, which she would only know from the shamans in Hallownest

[minor hill]

why is it voidified

[silk dirge]

where exactly

[minor hill]

so they ARE connected to the void

just like they arent void

[silk dirge]

from the knight

[minor hill]

or maybe they are idk

[minor hill]

then why specifically snails giving them the upgraded spells

[spark valve]

They have a lot of soul

[midnight zinc]

"You should well know our family's fixations. Surely you had a hunch? How else could we hope to trap one of your pale kin? Or see her consumed with such insatiable efficiency?"

[minor hill]

why do they need the fountain to get shade cloak and whatever the thing in the abyss is to get abyss shriek

[silk dirge]

this is coming from the shamans themselves

they expected hornet to realize that

[minor hill]

i mean if they just need to "voidify" their soul then shouldnt they just be able to do that themselves

[silk dirge]

but she didnt bc its not something she saw before

[minor hill]

if all they need is more soul

[spark valve]

They need a source of power in order to do it

The shaman states that

[minor hill]

where

[graceful kraken]

well i mean that’s the sketchbook…..its not like,legitimately canon. its the first concept….

[minor hill]

i dont think upgrading spells is even mentioned by any text in the game

[spark valve]

It is

[minor hill]

where

[spark valve]

Shaman

[midnight zinc]

She does not deny that she should've expected it, thats the whole point. They tell her this after she confronts them for using the void, and all she says is that it didnt work because Lace intervened. If they were wrong and she wasn't aware of their affiliation then her dialogue makes no sense.

[minor hill]

ok but when and what do they say about it

give me a quote

[random harbor]

Snail Shaman - Reacting to spells - Reacting to Shade Soul

What's this? My vengeful gift has warped within you. You've twisted it into something... else.
Ohohohoh! I knew it. My friend! You're a marvel. Your essence has melded with the spell.
You must have found a powerful source to transform it in such a unique, expressive way.

@tammo6424 used /npcs misc name: Snail Shaman category: Reacting to spells dialogue: Reacting to Shade Soul

[minor hill]

ok that makes sense

[silk dirge]

idk this strikes me as hornet being genuinely surprised

[spark valve]

Hornet is just a little stupid

[foggy fractal]

not just a little

remember wingsmould dialogue ?

[spark valve]

[silk dirge]

wait put that on the bingo

[midnight zinc]

Idk what to tell you, her shock at everything happening doesn't take away from the fact that its clearly telling us she is aware of this connection

[minor hill]

what is wingsmould dialogue

[midnight zinc]

She calls her dad a fool basically

[sinful nimbus]

[minor hill]

how does that make her stupid

[dire lynx]

what exactly should i put?

[silk dirge]

wingmould

[minor hill]

i remember the entry im just confused

[midnight zinc]

People in this channel d-ride the pale king like they're getting paid to do it

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet critiques PK for not getting the void to do his bidding even though it did

[dawn sluice]

why did everyone start making bingo cards

[sinful nimbus]

THK did his bidding

[silk dirge]

why is wingmould even a journal entry

[dawn sluice]

@lethal burrow was this you

[sinful nimbus]

So did Kingsmoulds and Wingmould

[spark valve]

Hornet forgets Kingsmoulds exist

[midnight zinc]

Because you can "kill" it or destroy it the same way you can in HK

[silk dirge]

nuu checking hornets journal being like "where may i taste this winged creature"

[dawn sluice]

“in my head”

[dire lynx]

the channel is often predictable and repetitive

[silk dirge]

yeah but its in a memory so it feels strange

[trail wagon]

Is this Pablo?

[minor hill]

is your card only for sk lore

[sinful nimbus]

Its so Silksong can slander PK more

[dire lynx]

yes

that can be it actally

[midnight zinc]

Atheism

[trail wagon]

Can somebody give a quick summary of what was discussed while I was out?

[spark valve]

Every comparison the game invites between pk and the silksong pale being only makes him look insanely good

[sinful nimbus]

First Sinner and Cindril timeline placement

[unique canopy]

Important to note the context of how the snare is created and used. It uses raw soul power yes, but it also uses a Weaver-built snare that uses silk runes, the combined snare uses Hornet's own silk during the construction process, and it's triggered by playing the Needolin. Up until the void actually shows up, it's not implausible to assume that it was a creation similar to what trapped GMS to begin with, if cruder.

[minor hill]

does it??

[dire lynx]

good work completing my bingo

[edgy nebula]

apostasy

[minor hill]

hey google what is the definition of apostasy

ok so like every catholic high school student in america

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong reveals Higher Beings don't get along with eachother which makes PK's marriage rather exceptional

But that's not how its framed

[edgy nebula]

beep boop bleetleep beep

the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief.
"the execution of their leader for apostasy brought widespread criticism"
synonyms: renunciation of belief, abandonment of belief, recantation, treachery, perfidy, faithlessness, disloyalty, betrayal, defection, desertion, heresy, tergiversation, recreancy

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[silk dirge]

@vestal swan SEND THEM TO THE ABYSS

[dawn sluice]

i wonder how twistrikers bingo is going

[minor hill]

wait no you could have put eva on thereee

[silk dirge]

ANOTHER ONE

[foggy fractal]

how tf

[edgy nebula]

oh my days

[silk dirge]

BRUH

[minor hill]

theyre multiplying

invasive species

[edgy nebula]

<@&283547423706447872>

[silk dirge]

cogwork core is invading us i swear

[minor hill]

like those fuckass snails with the pink eggs

[edgy nebula]

nuu

[minor hill]

istg bro

you know thats not what i was saying goddammit

[sinful nimbus]

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[edgy nebula]

insert image of kai cenat but insect

[silk dirge]

ok lumble the unlucky

[spark valve]

Afraid to travel without a weapon? Follow this one simple trick!
(Insert image of those pilgrims with a ‘climbing’ pin)

[craggy smelt]

had a silksong dream - fought a boss, mask maker duo
it's a prophecy

[edgy nebula]

i wonder how the judges gain their views of what's a sin and what isnt, do they just guess

[minor hill]

dude i have a virus ad joke but i dont htink i can say it without getting warned

[edgy nebula]

because thats really funny if true

[spark valve]

I mean it seems like it but probably if you’re carrying a weapon they will crush you on sight

[craggy smelt]

instilled by the Haunting, maybe
or they were more discerning in the past

[minor hill]

sherma purity theory

[midnight zinc]

A skinny basement dweller and a fat one, easy lick tbh

[craggy smelt]

they clearly have no mind to think

[minor hill]

not the purity i was tlaking about but ykw yeah ill go with it

sherma is the real hollow knight

[edgy nebula]

but does he have a will to break

[craggy smelt]

weird thing is one of them was just a mortician

[minor hill]

ljk;jkl;j;lkj;kl;l;klj sherma is so friend shaped