sk-lore

[timber pond]

Also Zi probably has some variation of it too with her Rune aura having a somewhat similar design

[marble oasis]

yeah i definitely agree with that

it looks more similar to longclaw than it does to a wyrm head

long claw... like reaching far... like seeing far... hang on...

[vestal swan]

Worldsense -
Farsight -
Foresight - future visions, probably
Mr mushrooms ability -
Zis search algorithm -
I'm having a brain fart and I can't think of way to describe all of the other ones, but they're pretty similar

[hexed kindle]

Fore=forward
Sight=looking
Looking forward to the future

Farsight
Far=vast area
Looking around a vast area

[vestal swan]

Yeah well that's true sometimes it's called that but it's like a prediction engine just full of information instead of actually looking at the future, it's unlikely but we don't actually know how his ability worked

[timber pond]

Mr mushrooms ability might be the same as mask makers because hornet refers to mask makers as "The sight" and mister mushroom refers to his as "as far as his sight can see". Personally I think they are both "The sight" because mask maker and mister mushroom have very similar "Swirly" eyes

[marble oasis]

Worldsense - sensing the "state" of the world
Farsight - observing over long distances

[hexed kindle]

Basically the same shit

[kind steeple]

Why all the weavers look the same except the arms but then herrah somehow is a mutant

[marble oasis]

tc retcons, unironically

[hexed kindle]

Hold on

[timber pond]

If this is true, then its probably only active when they "open" thier eyes. Or for the mask makers, when thier masks are not there

[dreamy basin]

Maybe the mask makers and Mr. mushroom are under the influence of some higher being who has a obsession with kingdoms rise and fall and thats why they have similar eyes

[hexed kindle]

Herrah is a drape mite

They have the same bumps body structure and everything

[dreamy basin]

i also heard of that one

[marble oasis]

hornet specifically says the pharlids' hunting style reminds her of her own

[timber pond]

Nah its more likey just an evolved ability of some kind. I have no reason to believe otherwise atm.

[hexed kindle]

Drapemites we're ascended along side pharlids

As both are arachnids

[marble oasis]

be that as it may, no other weaver was elevated from anything but a pharlid

[hexed kindle]

Drapemites and pharlids hunt extremely similarly

[marble oasis]

why not put that comment in the drapemite entry then

[hexed kindle]

When the hell is this sajd

[marble oasis]

from pharlids being the only creatures in fs and widow's memory scenes

[hexed kindle]

Drapemites are more savage like while pharlids are more intricate if thats the way to put it also its important to note hornet was taught how to weave from the pharlid weavers and not herrah

[hexed kindle]

They might have been the main species of arachnid found then

Drapemites may have been more uncommon

Which they are ingame

Herrah mightve been one of the only drapemite weavers

Which is why she's called a beast

[marble oasis]

if anything she was taught to hunt from vespa. so where does that put us

[dreamy basin]

probably

[dire lynx]

herrah used to look like regular weavers (bar the horns)

the design change is a retcon

[hexed kindle]

Heavily disfigured as hornet barely saw her

[marble oasis]

look how thin she is there, and the way she's sitting is identical to the other weavers in red memory

[dreamy basin]

nah she still bulky

[dire lynx]

her face is blurred because hornet cant remember it. if hornet was struggling to remember herrah at all, the whole thing would be blurry

[hexed kindle]

She probably resembles the pharlid weavers in red memory due to hornet not seeing her alot and associating weavers with pharlids

[hexed kindle]

Thats a decent point

[marble oasis]

#sk-lore message

the way the clothing is folded suggests a very thin abdomen

[hexed kindle]

She mightve gotten fatter idk 😭😭

[hexed kindle]

True

[marble oasis]

I could excuse it if this was placed before hornet's birth, but this is between the birth and when she supposedly got fat

[dreamy basin]

but that could be an optical illusion dew to the way she sitting sitting

also she has horns and her head is too small compard to a normal weaver

[dire lynx]

weavers have small heads under their fattass masks

[marble oasis]

her head is actually larger than widow's, if the eyes are anything to go off

i know widow had her mask removed, but the eyes should be in the same place, it's like taking the skin off your face

[dreamy basin]

but the mask is part of the weaver

[marble oasis]

i'm seeing plenty of weaver left over, and if taking the mask off completely removed the head why would she still have 6 eyes

or

you know, be alive

[dire lynx]

i'd say more like removing an astronauts helmet (caveat being that its and organic part of the body)

i think the masks are hollow

[marble oasis]

regardless, the eyes would still be in the same place

[dire lynx]

yes

[marble oasis]

we see this with other unmasked bugs like mask maker and brumm

[dreamy basin]

As the first sinner cutscene shows that the mask evolves with the rest of the weaver

[dire lynx]

yes, its part of the body, but its like a bubble around the inner "head"

[dreamy basin]

I feel like the removal of the mask is similar to mutilation with the consequence being a los of identity and insanity

[dreamy basin]

The mask maker wares a mask beneath his mask

[heavy gyro]

It's like it's some kind of hollow knight

[marble oasis]

the personality changes but it's no mutilation

[hexed kindle]

Say that again

[dreamy basin]

at least in hollow knight that was the case idk about the one in silksong

[hexed kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[marble oasis]

Your kind should know it's rude to expose me such. Unmasked, the task becomes heavy.

[dire lynx]

lucky weapon isnt here, that gif wouldve been blasted to nothing

[dreamy basin]

The og mask maker had said something like ''it sees the face beneath or could it be another mask'' when you remove his mask

[marble oasis]

that doesnt change my point

[dreamy basin]

And it seamed like he was wearing a white mask under that one

[marble oasis]

it did have the swirly eyes though
but i digress

[ionic bear]

i think a bug's natural face is just white

and so are masks

[marble oasis]

You think it's more natural to be white?

[ionic bear]

i mean, some of them do not have white colored heads

[dreamy basin]

But the new one has a black void where the face should be, so maybe it isn't wearing a mask under that one

[ionic bear]

like the flies in the slab

[marble oasis]

they're very different bugs anyhow

[dreamy basin]

Also are the shells of a bug the same as a mask or are they to different things

[ionic bear]

different

[dreamy basin]

that's what I also think

also isnt it weird that all masks the tthe mask makesrs make are white

[ionic bear]

its probably something to do witht he material

the laquer they use is white

[dreamy basin]

but the og was painting the masks

[ionic bear]

do you know what laquer is

[dreamy basin]

isn't white

[ionic bear]

THE LAQUER DELIVERED IN GAME TO MASK MAKER IS A PALE WHITE COLOR

[marble oasis]

they can have different methods to be fair

[dreamy basin]

omg your right

[ionic bear]

his work area is white, covered in white laquer

the liquid laquer delivery item

[marble oasis]

it does actually appear to be the same

[ionic bear]

^

[ionic bear]

what do you guys think the laquer is?

is it JUST a white sealant, or maybe is it a pale thing?

bc it IS used in masks

[marble oasis]

hmm you are right i forgot widow used to be bulbous headed

[ionic bear]

they are also different individuals and will have a different appearance

[stray fog]

It doesn't mean that every weavenest was built before gms

[dire lynx]

"Pale glaze used in the preparation and protection of bone masks."

[ionic bear]

ah okay ty

so yeah its a pale thing

[gleaming rose]

The quest name is liquid lacquer right?

[ionic bear]

yes

[gleaming rose]

That implies solid lacquer

[ionic bear]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Liquid_Lacquer_(Wish)
the wiki entry

[stray fog]

So a pale thing is needed for bugs to exist...

[ionic bear]

laquer solidifies when it dries, yes

[ionic bear]

bugs can exist without masks

[gleaming rose]

I'm so smart

[gleaming rose]

Karmelita:

[stray fog]

What exactly is the lore of masks? Im not aware of it

[ionic bear]

i dont know but there ar eliterally bugs without masks in the games

[gleaming rose]

Don't masks encapsulate the bug's identity?

[ionic bear]

like straight up

[ionic bear]

they can change a bugs personality, sometiems the identity, but they are not NEEDED

[gleaming rose]

Karmelita was just that fkn great then

[ionic bear]

yes

[gleaming rose]

Hollow Knight Karmelita

oh wait she's old

I have a theory guys..

hollow knight had 3 dreamers yea

Silksong has 3 memory battles yea

[stray fog]

And 3 melodies

[gleaming rose]

hollow knight's first dlc is what and what did it give?

[stray fog]

Hidden dreams
Dream warriors

[marble oasis]

This is because there are 3 team cherry members

Believe it

[gleaming rose]

what if they do that but instead of just dream warriors, they revive the entire area

[twin dragon]

And 3 zotes aswell

[gleaming rose]

then, we can explore the sea area

[ionic bear]

skarr do not have masks
roach related bugs do not have masks, and their care takers, aswell as lugoli and his cooks
coral bugs do not have masks
wood bugs do not have masks
some karak warriors do not have masks
a pilgrim and choir bug (pouncer) does not have a mask

[stray fog]

Thats a very popular idea actually

[gleaming rose]

damn it..

[twin dragon]

Tbf the regular bug "heads" can be considered masks

[ionic bear]

not to mention guards and verdanians

[ionic bear]

no???? they are heads?? not masks??

[stray fog]

If pale ore was used, masks must have been hard to come by

[dreamy basin]

i think those are shells

[ionic bear]

thats like calling a naked man clothed bc his skin covers his innards

[gleaming rose]

lmao

Bugs have exoskeletons, does not mean they're masks

[twin dragon]

Hornet says what she has, is a mask, a biological one but a mask regardless

[marble oasis]

creatures like the gromlings' and the driznits are considered to have masks, but they do look more masklike than the ants

[gleaming rose]

She's a pale being tho

[dreamy basin]

she also said she had a shell

[twin dragon]

Shell as a whole is the bugs body in hk verse

[stray fog]

I think all the white bony heads are masks (this is not based on anything)

[dreamy basin]

what even is a pale being

[gleaming rose]

u know that one guy who doesn't go outside and stays like extremely low blood

[ionic bear]

wait hold on i forgot what a gromling is (you are right though)

also i shoudl note that some masks are not white, and some masks are also masques (differentiation, masque is for decoration in this case)

[dreamy basin]

THE BRITISH????

[gleaming rose]

indeed

[ionic bear]

like the judges likely are wearing masques

[gleaming rose]

When will the zote dlc come out guys

[twin dragon]

Fym dlc, zote GAME

[dreamy basin]

THAT MAKES SENSE WHY THE PALE BEINGS KEEP COLONOZING AND CREATING KINDOMS

[frigid belfry]

Type of higher being they apparently “desire worship” more so than other higher beings, but that’s really the only distinction we have gotten

[gleaming rose]

Mb og

[twin dragon]

Gms is a pale being and doesn't have a mask

[dreamy basin]

YOUR A GENIUS

[marble oasis]

well she doesn't really have a face either

[twin dragon]

Seemingly contrasting the pale king's more calm approach with her beastly nature

[dreamy basin]

I FEEL LIKE THE HIGHER BEINGS dont follow normal bug logic

[twin dragon]

Maybe

[frigid belfry]

Yeah they don’t

[twin dragon]

Ya

[frigid belfry]

Yes they have some connection to it

[twin dragon]

I mean the pale king changed appereance to appeal to hallownest's bugs, ig thats what a mask does in verse

[dreamy basin]

sole is white in color 👀

[dreamy basin]

i think is face is a shell

[solemn hinge]

They might, might not

[ionic bear]

they do btw

[solemn hinge]

Kingsoul is not evidence towards that

[dreamy basin]

not the pale king or the white lady

[ionic bear]

the knight and hornet are both descended from pale beings, and hold the ability to manipulate soul

[twin dragon]

there's no such thing as a "shell", since a shell is the bug's body basically

that's how it is called though

[solemn hinge]

Anything can hold Soul

[gleaming rose]

She doesn't say that she doesn't tho, but Hornet says she (Hornet) (technically) does.

Then again,

Mr. Pale King also does not seem to have a mask when he left the wyrm.

[dreamy basin]

i think it is the thing a mask is put on top of

[twin dragon]

His big ass head might aswell be that

[solemn hinge]

Snail Shamans and the Soul Sanctum’s scholars are two examples of this

[twin dragon]

Nope, that's the literal body

[gleaming rose]

Same with the weavers

[ionic bear]

hornet's shell just manipulates absorbed soul into silk

[dire lynx]

maskmaker says that he makes masks for those who are born without faces, implying some bugs are born with masks
A wonderful thing to have, a face. Not a thing with which we all are blessed.

[twin dragon]

We know that IS a mask

[gleaming rose]

Then that's where hornet got it

[solemn hinge]

Yes, but being able to hold soul has nothing to do with Pale or Higher Beings

Again, see Snail Shamans or Soul Sanctum’s Scholars

[gleaming rose]

Holy sh among us pfp in 2025 you're soo rare

[dreamy basin]

shell is part of the body

[ionic bear]

go way im watching my show now shhh

[solemn hinge]

Oh fuck off 😭

[gleaming rose]

Groal:

[twin dragon]

It's THE body

[gleaming rose]

Groal is grating it rn

[solemn hinge]

I know this is probably a joke but that’s Samus man, come on 😭

[dreamy basin]

so if you already have a identity you dont need a mask

[ionic bear]

erm... samus woman actually!!! /j

[gleaming rose]

Where will we see the hunter again 🤕

[dire lynx]

never

[ionic bear]

i hope we get to se ehuntress in a dlc

i love huntress

[gleaming rose]

Such a good mother

[dreamy basin]

is it ???

[ionic bear]

^

[frigid belfry]

Yes

[twin dragon]

Yes

[gleaming rose]

For vessels, yes. The shell is the body itself.

For other bugs, probably

[ionic bear]

for all bugs yes

[twin dragon]

For hornet aswell

[ionic bear]

all bugs have a shell

[gleaming rose]

yes, exoskeletons

[twin dragon]

I loved when zote burnt down shellwood to make his sword and kill void radiance

fym no

[gleaming rose]

Can we just leave it at Zote is going to rescue Bretta from Throbbio's Castle

Throbbiioo!

[solemn hinge]

Istg if I see one more person argue Lace isn’t a child I’m gonna like, eat my foot idk

[dreamy basin]

they say zot has even killed a void infected savage beastfly

[ionic bear]

if youre making a point that they would be called exoskeletons ingame, may i make the point that shell is way easier to have as the word

[gleaming rose]

Exoskeletonwood

[dire lynx]

bro slammed his dihh in the door

[ionic bear]

lace is really old but she has the body and mind of a child so shes a child

[dreamy basin]

is a eternal child really a child?

[solemn hinge]

Yeh

[charred nimbus]

So apparently Mossbag was also a victim of the phantom headcanoners who got mad by him calling phantom a she/her

[gleaming rose]

Lace does not have a shell right

[solemn hinge]

Nope

[ionic bear]

yes

[gleaming rose]

She's utterly and completely made of silk

[solemn hinge]

I think it’s a reasonable assumption to use she/her

[frigid belfry]

It’s valid since both lace and phantom are described as daughters

[twin dragon]

Lace is actually zote's daughter

[dire lynx]

lace calls her sister

[gleaming rose]

Guys here's my theory;

Silk (weavers)
Song (the melodies)

Silksong!! Silksong releases tomorrow!!

[dreamy basin]

she also crazy

[solemn hinge]

I am actually unsure if we know it’s Lace saying that and not Phantom

[ionic bear]

if lace's mind does not develop further than it currently is, than she is and forever will be a CHILD

[twin dragon]

I interpreted that as both

[charred nimbus]

Yes,but apparently some people will death threat you because of it it happened to the silksong wiki editors and now to mossbag

[gleaming rose]

How is Phantom even a "failed" child? How did GMS "fail"?

[ionic bear]

id assume its lace since phantom was in a vat of mysterious liquid

[dire lynx]

the dialogue is called organ sleeper or something in the files

[gleaming rose]

There must be some sort of process to make children, I wonder what

[ionic bear]

you know how a child can be born with birth defects?

i assume its like that

[dreamy basin]

is phantom aslo a child?

[solemn hinge]

We don’t know

I don’t think we do at least?

[charred nimbus]

Phantom doesn't seen to have the mind of a child

[charred nimbus]

We don't know yeah

[devout echo]

We don’t I’ve explored phantom to the ends of the earth

[solemn hinge]

We don’t see much of their mind at all, barely anyone talks about her

[dire lynx]

phantom was seen as a failure, could easily be that her lack of a childs nature is what lead to that

[solemn hinge]

Could be

[ionic bear]

or if you create an artwork, it can degrade quickly if you dont use the right things

^

[twin dragon]

Phantom was screaming 67 at the top of her lungs

[devout echo]

You always burn the first pancake

[dreamy basin]

whyy

[gleaming rose]

Still, it must be a rather complicated process for her to fk it up 🤷‍♂️

Maybe there's a new kind of element GMS used beyond silk to create a different consciousness

Soul sounds best in this case.

[ionic bear]

silk is made of soul

[gleaming rose]

You're kidding me

[solemn hinge]

I mean, she is literally creating life, kind of a complicated process

[ionic bear]

she literally only needed silk and her abilities as a higher being

[dreamy basin]

but isnt she deteriorating dew to age ?

[gleaming rose]

weavin it out

[ionic bear]

yes

[solemn hinge]

Physical age ≠ mental age

[gleaming rose]

Ohhh sh that's why she's failed she's expired brh

[ionic bear]

^^^^

[charred nimbus]

But the only reason this is not happening to lace is because Gms is keeping her fit

[devout echo]

Or they are because they are subject to exhaust fumes all day

Like smoking a pack a day

[dire lynx]

she isnt being replenished by gms so she is slowly coming unthreaded

[ionic bear]

lace is gonna have to depend on hornet to stay alive then

[frigid belfry]

It’s implied she was failing before then, because the exhaust organ was a punishment

[solemn hinge]

Imagine if your body grew up but your brain didn’t. Our experiences only PARTIALLY age our mind, what really ages it is brain development. I think that’s the easiest explanation.

[ionic bear]

^

[twin dragon]

Phantom smoked that za too much

[ionic bear]

lace is juts a child who knows how to fight

[devout echo]

Where can I read about it being punishment

[solemn hinge]

As many children do

[devout echo]

Was it in a voice line

[solemn hinge]

There are children who know how to fence, after all

[frigid belfry]

Wiki, phantom/lace dialogue

[dreamy basin]

you make a good point

[ionic bear]

would you willingly work in a giant organ that is loud and constantly blowing steam and pollutes the natural environment

[devout echo]

If I was loyal to my mother yes

[ionic bear]

lace is also just lowkey insane

[solemn hinge]

Also, what’s up with the discourse about who locked up First Sinner???

[dreamy basin]

yup she crazy

[solemn hinge]

I always assumed it was GMS herself or just the Citadel

[ionic bear]

it was the weavers when first sinner first tried to tell the truth of their upbringing

[dreamy basin]

it was probably the weavers

[devout echo]

People are starting to think the weavers

[solemn hinge]

That wouldn’t make much sense

[dire lynx]

she speaks of being forgotten and discarded, couldnt find any mention of punishment

[ionic bear]

yes it would

[solemn hinge]

I’d love to see what evidence y’all have

[ionic bear]

*discarded

[devout echo]

They didn’t want the whole cocoon to unravel, the best thing to do was let bugs believe they were gods basically

[frigid belfry]

“Discarded” as in willingly left behind

[heavy gyro]

It has to be the weavers because the cage has citadel logo on it

[devout echo]

Yea I’m looking into this

[ionic bear]

bro doesnt watch every SK lore video that comes out as soona s it comes out

[twin dragon]

The entire fucking slab existing, the citadel sigil everywhere, the runes used to lock her up, the obviously weaver architectal structure her stone thingy is made of

[dire lynx]

that doesnt imply punishment

[gleaming rose]

Isn't discarded purposefully thrown away

[solemn hinge]

Interesting

I always kinda assumed the Citadel was a post-Weavers leaving thing but makes sense

[gleaming rose]

What

[ionic bear]

modern citadel is

[frigid belfry]

Kind of does, especially with the context of being sent to a toxic organ, surrounded by animals that literally consume your life force (maggots eating silk)

[ionic bear]

the citadel as a whole though, was weavers

[gleaming rose]

Didn't the sentinels serve the weavers

[solemn hinge]

Sorry I meant to say the Slab

[heavy gyro]

Citadel was made by the weavers then they gave the burden to the conductors

[solemn hinge]

I thought the SLAB was modern Citadel stuff

[ionic bear]

oh no its not

[solemn hinge]

Makes sense

[gleaming rose]

First Sinner got slammed in the slabbed

[devout echo]

Lace is a spoiled brat with jealousy issues

[solemn hinge]

(And also a child)

[frigid belfry]

“Mournful creature tasked alone to expel the Citadel's choking refuse. Their talent with a longpin is unmatched”, she was placed here by someone, this someone couldn’t have been the weavers, nor the citadel itself

[gleaming rose]

Uh huh

[dreamy basin]

nah she just childish in her way of thought

[devout echo]

Brat is childish in general for terms

[ionic bear]

yes, she is. read her dialogue, fight her first two times, and encounter her special encounters, and you will realize that shes lowk a lil mad up there

[solemn hinge]

I mean, she acts reasonably in her situation, considering her situation would drive most people insane lmfao

[ionic bear]

she literally laughs and tells you to let her and pharloom die

[dreamy basin]

she less spoilder and more afraid of being abandond like phantom]\

[ionic bear]

i dont think lace is a spoiled child, but she is certainly a brat with jealousy issues

[devout echo]

Oh I know but her initial feelings is “why her and not me” so she feels jealousy at first because of fear of abandonment. Sounds like borderline personality disorder tbh 💀

[dreamy basin]

like a child fliping the bored when they loosing

[ionic bear]

^

[dreamy basin]

yeah she is crazy

[ionic bear]

she laughs the same way when you save her

[dreamy basin]

LIKE CRAZY CRAZY

[ionic bear]

shes just loopy 😭

[dreamy basin]

CRAZY

[solemn hinge]

I find it funny that people argue that Hornet/others calling Lace a child isn’t literal when it totally is

[ionic bear]

id prefer not to be patronized

[solemn hinge]

Shakra starts out calling Hornet a child, then corrects herself during the Trail’s End quest. Hornet calls Lace a child up to their last dialogue with one another

[dreamy basin]

hornet is very old

[devout echo]

Yea I personally hate lacenet ship and hope they don’t touch on it. I guess for like new protagonist who is pale or whatever to make a new child but idk

[dreamy basin]

like she older than elder bug\

[solemn hinge]

She doesn’t call Shakra a child, and she is WAYYYY younger

[ionic bear]

lace looks likea child and acts like a child and is a child

[solemn hinge]

Hornet doesn’t call nearly anyone a child who isn’t literally a child

[ionic bear]

she has been around for a while, but she is not old

[devout echo]

Does she ever call sherma a child

[dire lynx]

only others are runt and nuu

[solemn hinge]

Good question

[devout echo]

Sherma is seemingly very young

[ionic bear]

sherma is a grown ass man

[devout echo]

He’s like 18 at best

[ionic bear]

sherma in his 20s vro

[dire lynx]

sherma is an adult, just very optimistic and sheltered

[ionic bear]

hes just full of misplaced faith and a lot of whimsy

[dreamy basin]

top ten craziest anime betrayal's

[devout echo]

18 is an adult

You just are fresh. Haha. Still naive

[solemn hinge]

She calls him “little” often

But not child, no

[ionic bear]

is say 18 isnt ADULT adult

[dreamy basin]

cuz he tiny

[solemn hinge]

He do be

[ionic bear]

youre still developing at 18

[dire lynx]

sherma and myla is the only good HK ship ngl

[devout echo]

Right, that’s what I’m saying

[solemn hinge]

Then 25 is adult adult

[ionic bear]

sherma is ADULT adult

[dreamy basin]

myla ????

[ionic bear]

like i said, sherma is just full of misguided faith and a lot of whimsy

[dire lynx]

happy bean singers

[devout echo]

We are acting like bugs is people but adult for bugs is prolly when they can reproduce haha

[charred nimbus]

Oh, we're discussing Sherma's age now?

[dreamy basin]

who ??

[dire lynx]

vro

[ionic bear]

not he only good HK ship is grey mourner and her mantis girlfriend

[devout echo]

Quirrel and me irl ty

(I’m old)

[ionic bear]

its bc they are lesbians

oh and the two conchflies

[dire lynx]

thats not a ship 🥀

[charred nimbus]

Where's Nailsmith and Sheo on this?

[devout echo]

I like two conch flies

[ionic bear]

oh you right

[dreamy basin]

yeah and team cherry killed them {those bastards}

[ionic bear]

yes it is

[dire lynx]

Ohhh, bury my mother, pale and slight,
bury my father with his eyes shut tight!
Bury my sisters two by two,
and then when you're done, let's bury me toooo!
Ha ha ha, do you know that one? It's one of my f-favourites! We can sing something else if you like. You start singing and I'll join in. I bet you have a b-b-beautiful singing voice! Ha ha ha!

[dire lynx]

if its canon it aint a ship

[solemn hinge]

The only gay couple to not die is Sheo and Nailsmith and they don’t always even meet 😭

[ionic bear]

in BOTH games, the gay couple has had a tragic end

[ionic bear]

ship = relationship

canon ships exist

[charred nimbus]

Theh do meet tho

[dreamy basin]

yeah horent killed those two

[solemn hinge]

It depends on if you kill the Nailsmith

[charred nimbus]

True

[dire lynx]

Shipping is the desire by followers of a fandom for two or more people, either real-life people or fictional characters (in film, literature, television series, etc.), to be in a romantic relationship.

[ionic bear]

grey mourner lost her girlfriend
you killt he great conchflies
clover prince lost his partner, and then also died
sheo may not even meet nailmaste rif you kill NM

[solemn hinge]

Well, Grey Mourner does also pass on

[ionic bear]

yes and i desire a new HK dlc where we get to see grey mourner and her girlfriend living a happy and healthy life

[dreamy basin]

OMG HERRRRRRRRRR MY PAST TRAWMA IS COMING BACK

[dire lynx]

what the conchflys got to do with the rest?

[dreamy basin]

THEY KILLED HER TOOOO

[ionic bear]

doesnt mourner just kinda leave

[ionic bear]

lesbians

[solemn hinge]

Ehhhhh

[dire lynx]

based on what

[solemn hinge]

Arguably

[dreamy basin]

WHYYY CANT WE HAVE GOOD THINGS IN THE SOULS LIKES

[solemn hinge]

No matter which one you kill, you always kill a female one

[ionic bear]

no matter which one you kill, nuu calls it a she

[solemn hinge]

It could just be an oversight tho

[ionic bear]

unintentional or not

cgreat conchflies are lesbians

[solemn hinge]

Eh, fair enough

[ionic bear]

i love lesbians

[dire lynx]

they have a shared HP pool, its always the same one you kill first

[dreamy basin]

WHY DOSE TEAM CHERRY LIKE KILLING OFF THE GAYYS

[solemn hinge]

Team Cherry likes killing off a lot of couples

[ionic bear]

"unintentional or not
great conchflies are lesbians"

emphasis on UNINTENTIONAL or NOT

[solemn hinge]

Herrah’s husband dies, PK dies, etc.

[charred nimbus]

Wich couple is not gay tho? i'm trying to think other then Cornifer and Bapanada

[dreamy basin]

nice

[dire lynx]

not how it works, but ok

[ionic bear]

also its hard to know if we actuallya re killing the same one each time, as they both look the same and have the same attack pattern

[solemn hinge]

You can kill either Conchfly

[solemn hinge]

PK and White Lady, Herrah and her dead ass husband

[dreamy basin]

ofcouse the one coupl that gets a happy ending is straight

[ionic bear]

cornifer and iselda dont relaly get an ending

they lowkey just chilling

[solemn hinge]

Their ending is “ZZZZZZZZ mimimimim…”

[ionic bear]

you right, best ending possible

i could go for a nap rn.... (i just woke up like an hour ago)

[solemn hinge]

Lmfao

[dreamy basin]

if thats not a happy ending idk what is

[solemn hinge]

I don’t think HK has any other couples

[ionic bear]

anyways bye guys im gonna go mindlessly watch tv! the great conchflies are lesbians where it was an intentional feature or not!

[charred nimbus]

It's so odd how Hornet entirely lore started with PK clicking a weird ad on a sus website

[lusty tree]

do the bugs have internet?

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[ionic bear]

nah they have bug internet

[lusty tree]

bugnet

[twin dragon]

Zote created it with the power of the 3 silkborn

[dreamy basin]

obviously how els do they infect computer games

[dire lynx]

hallownet

[solemn hinge]

Y’know, it’s very interesting that Styx and Huntress are so obviously the same species

I’ve never seen NPCs in HK and Silksong that are entirely unrelated but the same specific species

[charred nimbus]

All this time we got the Hollow knight text wrong, and when they said Pale king gave sentience to the bugs of hallownest, they were actually meaning that PK is a internet operator service

[charred nimbus]

It's not obvious tho, because they aren't

Styx just uses one of The Huntresss species member mask

He's not one of then

[abstract rivet]

stupid styx

[solemn hinge]

Wasn’t it Skynx that’s the weird one

[dire lynx]

its both

[lilac hedge]

Skynx killed styx

[solemn hinge]

So why is Styx not the same species as Huntress

They have pretty similar body types

[charred nimbus]

Because Styx has identity crisis

He has a bunch of other masks he uses

And their body isn't really similar

[dire lynx]

styx is one of the faceless maskmaker is meant to provide for, unlike huntress

[solemn hinge]

I see

I mean I’d argue theirs are, Huntress is just wearing clothes

[lilac hedge]

Skynx is a replacement of styx in steel soul bc he gives you silk eaters and thats pointless in steel soul, so they hired an assasin

[charred nimbus]

There's a secret room untop of Styx's lair, you can acess with silk roar, if you play the needolin there Styx imprint will say all the personalities he has or had

[dire lynx]

runt is born with their mask, styx probably salvaged the mask from a dead member of huntress' species

[charred nimbus]

One of the lines goes like: "The one who breeds"

[solemn hinge]

I see

Still, the tie between the two is interesting

It’s obviously a mask from an individual of Huntress’ species

[lilac hedge]

I guess that if you ignore they have the same body mask and characteristics

They arent the same

[dire lynx]

the hidden room full of masks above styx's web

[solemn hinge]

Bro was giving Mask Maker hella business

[dire lynx]

The masks are taken from others

"Who to be?
Who is me?
The one who serves...
The one who breeds...
The one to fear...
My strength or theirs?"

[solemn hinge]

Goes hard

[eager ermine]

crackhead theory: the godhome flower ending is canon and the everbloom that white lady gives to hornet is the same one that the godseeker was holding and when the everbloom runs out the knight and its hbs pop up in sotv

[past cypress]

I don't think the Delicate Flower and the Everbloom are the exact same

Everbloom seems a lot less fragile for one

The Delicate Flower is probably withered in some way

[eager ermine]

maybe they are the same but its just more fragile cus its repelling the knights void a lil

[dense aspen]

Have the bugs discovered fire

[past cypress]

That actually makes a lot of sense

[dense aspen]

Are you guys disscusing who styx is?

[solemn hinge]

Yeah I wasn’t really aware of the Styx lore

Still, very interesting that he uses the mask of a member of Huntress’ species when they really don’t relate to each other much

[dense aspen]

Alright I did constant study of him before

You wanna hear my personal interpretation?

[solemn hinge]

Go ahead

[rain gate]

but why would they make a mimic of a mimic?

if Styx is mimicking Huntress and Skynx is mimicking Styx, that seems a little odd

[solemn hinge]

Yea kinda

[dense aspen]

Styx is not a mimic nor the same species as the huntress
The evidence for both is none
Skynx is something we don't know
And the huntress is simply another similar species
Now styx is very unique some people say he uses masks as like personalitys to chose the evidence for this is minor, some bugs might have diffrent personalitys based on masks but key word some and some don't I.e og mask maker and sk mask maker
The far more likely thing styx is a man who has a deep Inferiority complex possibly instillled into him by the citadel or a heart of pharloom

[solemn hinge]

[eager ermine]

Maybe our styx rn is the same species as nosk but it’s a chill one with an obsession about slavery or sum

[solemn hinge]

So just someone who likes to wear masks because he’s insecure?

[dense aspen]

No not wear masks because he insecure
He wants a master or mistress

[solemn hinge]

[dense aspen]

Because he feels Inferiority

[rain gate]

so he has an ingrained desire to serve and wears whatever mask it takes to get that?

[dense aspen]

Oh and btw 99% of the styx lore you'll see comes from a single reddit post

[solemn hinge]

Lmao

[rain gate]

a bit of a coincidence though that what styx gives you is exactly what huntress is looking for

[dense aspen]

That's a interesting interpretation but I feel like the masks donr mean anything with styx. It is possibly just a hobby

[solemn hinge]

Perhaps

[rain gate]

huntress wants food for babies
styx makes you food

its easier to interpret them as former mates than as not

[charred nimbus]

what

[solemn hinge]

I mean, not the right food, but yeah

[rain gate]

he calls the silkeaters food

[unique canopy]

The far more likely thing styx is a man who has a deep Inferiority complex possibly instillled into him by the citadel or a heart of pharloom
Or the City of Steel.
I don't think it's a coincidence how closely linked he is with manipulation of silk.

[dense aspen]

Ah yes, thank you.
And the city of steel

[dense aspen]

I'm pretty sure it is the incorrect food

[rain gate]

"while you hunt"

[dense aspen]

Hornet is a huntress yes

That should be obvious to anyone

It makes logical sense for styx to say that

[rain gate]

though "the one who breeds" is an interesting bit of needolin dialogue

[abstract rivet]

whys styx so submissive

[rain gate]

maybe hes just a very mature/mutated silkeater?

[abstract rivet]

Who did this to bro

[rain gate]

its his whole schtick lmao

[dense aspen]

That's a great theory

[dense aspen]

Someone we don't know

[dense aspen]

One i haven't thougth about

[rain gate]

explains the silk in the mask room too

[dense aspen]

Yeah

This is a very i treating interpretation

[rain gate]

and his courier delivery is the queen's egg which allows him to "expand the nest" and "grow more morsels"

[dense aspen]

I'm glad you brought it up.

[charred nimbus]

Skynx seens to have been inspired by something like skinwalkers, considering that Skynx mimics previous said words from other people and his victims

[abstract rivet]

hes so freaky

[dense aspen]

Interesting but that could be something like a ant keeper saying he'll get a bigger container to expand his colony

[abstract rivet]

Team Cherry mustve been drinking something while writing him

[charred nimbus]

That line just means that the queen's egg hatched and the new silkeater queen is making more silkeaters

[dense aspen]

That's true. He sorta reminds me like the alternates from Mandela catalogue exepct not shit

[dense aspen]

Yes

[rain gate]

yes but one of the needolin dialogues in the mask room is "the one who breeds"
maybe that just means hes keeping a colony of silkeaters actually

my initial interpretation of that line was him breeding silkeaters 😭

[dense aspen]

Smashbro thank you for bringing this up

[abstract rivet]

what is the lore of Wormways btw that areas genuinely insanely forgettable

[rain gate]

as in laying them

[dense aspen]

That's actually incredibly unique and possibly plausible interpretation

[solemn hinge]

I wouldn’t call it particularly forgettable

Maybe in Act 1 and 2, sure, but Act 3 Wormways is hard to forget

[abstract rivet]

Yk what yeah it atleast plasmium and zango

Sinners Road has nothing

[solemn hinge]

Also has a Weavenest

I think

[abstract rivet]

I know the lore of Sinners Road but what is the area even there for

least favourite area out of the muckmaggot water area trilogy

[rain gate]

extenstion of greymoor and access to the mist/bilewater ig

[unique canopy]

For gameplay, "Bilewater Lite" so someone doesn't get the full Bilewater experience right away.

[abstract rivet]

yeah why didn’t they just integrate it to Greymoor liek Wisp Thicket tbh

[solemn hinge]

Uhhh Green Prince is there, Styx, you get Pill there, Lugoli

[abstract rivet]

Wisp Thicket is geniuenly so different from Greymoor yet its apart of it why not Sinners Road

[dense aspen]

So the conclusion for styx untill we get new info is he is simply by all accounts some guy with a Inferiority complex, other details might be added

[rain gate]

because wisp thicket is tiny

[solemn hinge]

You get a Simple Key, Tacks, Steel Spines

The Mist is part of Sinner’s Road but that feels like cheating

[abstract rivet]

tbh sinners road is tiny aswell

[solemn hinge]

A little, yeah

[abstract rivet]

All of citadels subareas could be standalone areas other than maybe Memorium

[dense aspen]

Pill,styx,lugoli and green prince

[abstract rivet]

Geniuenly the identities of areas are so different

[dense aspen]

Plus the entrance tonbile water

[rain gate]

well cogwork core is standalone bc it has a different map doesnt it?

so does the vaults

oh you mean outside the citadel

[abstract rivet]

Those areas maps before you get them have “A model displaying the map of The Citadel”

When you zoom out, you see “The Citadel” as one big area

[solemn hinge]

Yea, I mean I don't think it's a big deal personally

[abstract rivet]

Its not lol

[rain gate]

well it has more than like 3 rooms unlike wisp thicket

[abstract rivet]

Just saying the different identity of areas are just kinda insane I like it

[solemn hinge]

I think it does help to emphasize just how BIG the Citadel is

[abstract rivet]

City of Tears Rain is great water Greymoor Rain is Poop

[rain gate]

cogwork core soundtrack my beloved

poop and silk

[craggy smelt]

I hope they do this with the City of Steel
multiple sub-areas within one single area

[abstract rivet]

I unironically sleep with High Halls on my ears

[solemn hinge]

Ehhhh I dunno

[rain gate]

cogwork core is like one of my favorite area tracks in the game

[solemn hinge]

With City of Steel, I'm kinda betting on it being entirely separate from the map of Pharloom

[rain gate]

sounds like a music box

[solemn hinge]

There's no way City of Steel is like, a hop and a skip away from Pharloom

[craggy smelt]

if they do it as an entirely separate map, then sure

[abstract rivet]

to be honest the map of “Pharloom” isn’t Pharloom.

The actual map of Pharloom would be The Citadel, The Slab, Greymoor, Blasted Steps and a couple more areas

Underworks too

Deep Docks potentially

[craggy smelt]

they could do it like the Abyss, a condensed connection between the areas

[rain gate]

"pharloom" is act 1

[abstract rivet]

Verdania is a kingdom of its own, Shellwood isn’t apart of Pharloom

[craggy smelt]

maybe City of Steel is a giant flying saucer that hovers over the surface

[solemn hinge]

Fair enough lol

[rain gate]

and the lowlands too

mosshome, the marrow, etc

[abstract rivet]

Act 1 isn’t entirely Pharloom

I don’t think Moss Grotto and Shellwood is apart of Pharloom

[rain gate]

the act name would suggest otherwise /j

[unique canopy]

Anything the silk touches is part of Pharloom

They're all being Haunted by Pharloom's monarch regardless

[abstract rivet]

with your logic Sands of Karak and Far Fields would be Pharloom lmao

[solemn hinge]

This is all pedantic really, what I'm saying is that I don't think City of Steel is just a walk away from the area we explore in the game

[rain gate]

which is why we take a boat there from pharloom bay

which will be added in the dlc trust

[unique canopy]

Why not? Karak's former rulers are long dead, and the ants are under GMS' sway with Karmelita alone in a hut

[abstract rivet]

Karak is kinda like not Pharloom

GMS will haunt everything regardless

[solemn hinge]

Either that or Sands of Karak or Blasted Steps wasteland bits

[abstract rivet]

Is GMS explicitly stated as Pharloom’s Monarch? shes stated as Pale Monarch

[unique canopy]

Now, in our Citadel's silence, we share their truth. Only one monarch's claws ever clutched this kingdom, though we raised our voices to cry otherwise.
Would you see her, pilgrim? Up there at our Citadel's crown? Reach those heights we'd hoped to hide and bow before this land's true ruler.

[maiden meteor]

I think it refers more to the fact that GMS’ influence can be felt everywhere

[solemn hinge]

I mean, everywhere in Pharloom of course

[maiden meteor]

and eventually she will overtake everything (if it wasn’t for hornet)

[solemn hinge]

True

[maiden meteor]

thanks vpn

[steep talon]

and now for todays SPONSOR!!

[rain gate]

also entirely unrelated but i saw somewhere that earilier in development verdania was connected to mosshome

and i can see the resemblances

[dull pewter]

The weavers weved 6 or 7 times to make slik

[rain gate]

moss eggs versus verdanian eggs, the palestag looking like the little flies in moss grotto

there was more, something about celtic mythology but i dont remember it all now

[steep talon]

palestag? I think you mean pendras

[rain gate]

oh yeah verdania is an ireland parallel

[trail roost]

what's the sinners' road lore actually

[rain gate]

found it https://www.tumblr.com/mebis-silksong-corner/799616489470803968/verdania-is-irish?source=share

MEBI's silksong corner

Verdania is Irish ...

Tumblr · Nov 8, 2025, 3:48 AM

[steep talon]

no way, clovers are irish!?!?!

[rain gate]

theres more to it than that 🙄

[unique canopy]

It along with Greymoor as a whole used to be farmland. With the pollution caused by the Citadel, it eventually got polluted into the state it's in and was used to raise roaches for food instead because that's all that could be raised there. The main enemies found there are all dedicated to keeping the roaches in line so they don't escape or kill their keepers.

[trail roost]

but why is it also used as a prison for the Green Prince, instead of just putting him in the Slab?

[steep talon]

knowing green prince he might have just locked himself up lmao

[hardy inlet]

yeah

[austere hinge]

whats the backstory for "the mist" area that shi hella confusing

[willow epoch]

do we understand phantom's gender

[twin dragon]

Anywhere the pilgrims pass through is part of pharloom

[limpid summit]

It’s a bit complicated and translations differ

If you see Lace as speaking to Phantom in their Needolin conversation (makes sense cause phantom is in a tank) then Lace calls her “sister” so likely female

[willow epoch]

aren't translations unreliable?

[limpid summit]

But it’s up to interpretation

[willow epoch]

yeah hmm

i think phantom is nonbinary, created to be a daughter

and the absence from gender could be part of their rebellion

[twin dragon]

Both are def female

[limpid summit]

There was some big thing about a translation pronoun doc it’s complicated

[spark valve]

If the intent was for her to be nonbinary tc would absolutely not have a character call her sister

[willow epoch]

i'm nonbinary and my irl friend calls me sister

[twin dragon]

WHy tf would gms NOT make a daughter trying to make a daughter

[limpid summit]

It’s not a bad headcanon at all but I’m not sure it’s the intent

[willow epoch]

i don't think TC is being very clear about this

[twin dragon]

They are.

[limpid summit]

Some translations use female language while some use gender neutral

[willow epoch]

o_o

[limpid summit]

The truth is without explicit confirmation it’s fine to think what you want

[willow epoch]

maybe phantom is in-between feminine and nonbinary? like librafeminine/demigirl?

[twin dragon]

I mean hornet refers to phantom as they so idk

[willow epoch]

i don't think silk beings have a biological sex or chromosomes like bugs

[limpid summit]

TC who didn’t think of all that 💔

[limpid summit]

Horner refers to a lot of people as they

[spark valve]

Hornet also refers to Garmond as they they is ambiguous

[twin dragon]

Yeah that's true aswell

[limpid summit]

She’s just being nice

[willow epoch]

i think thats including zaza [plural "they"]

[spark valve]

It’s not

[willow epoch]

interesting

[limpid summit]

Vigorous knight and their loyal companion (?)

[twin dragon]

I mean lace calls her sister AND gms created her to be her daughter, i think that's enough evidence

[willow epoch]

maybe garmond is also nonbinary LOL

what's up with hornet nonbinarying bugs?

[limpid summit]

Oh wait actually do we think Hornet writes the top notes? If not that isn’t her writing

That’s objective writing

[spark valve]

Garmond refers to himself as him

[limpid summit]

But she theys like Groal too

[spark valve]

They is primarily ambiguous

Using they does not indicate a nonbinary identity inherently and in both cases gendered language is also used it’s just how the entries are written

[unique canopy]

They're both made from silk, so there's no biological influence and it's purely on their identity. It makes sense that GMS would want a daughter, it makes sense Lace would want a sister, Hornet doesn't know and we never hear Phantom's self-identity. Which weirdly might be the point? We never know Phantom's own desires besides wanting to die, everything else is what Phantom's been expected to be and do.

[spark valve]

This really ain’t that deep it’s just like how English works

[willow epoch]

why would tc do that

[twin dragon]

why would tc thouroughly think that through

[willow epoch]

sorry it might be because english isnt my main language

[willow epoch]

like, using they/them for characters who aren't ambiguous or nonbinary

or, maybe that's the whole point..?

[spark valve]

That is how the English pronoun they works

[willow epoch]

that's not what i mean

they/themmin a character when theyre explicitly female/male.. what purpose does that serve

putting distance?

[spark valve]

Again that’s just not inconsistent with how the pronoun works

There’s nothing weird about the entries

[willow epoch]

could you explain why then

[limpid summit]

Either because Hornet doesn’t know their gender at the time of writing, or just to be flavorful

[spark valve]

Because they is used for people with known genders all the time

[limpid summit]

They has been a valid non ambiguous pronoun for centuries

[willow epoch]

what does flavorful mean here

[limpid summit]

Colorful

[spark valve]

The non ambiguous use is newer it’s the ambiguous singular that’s very old

[willow epoch]

yeah i know singular they is used for ambiguous gender

what im asking is why itd be employed if the character's gender is explicit

why would hornet find identifying garmond or phantom's genders difficult/fail to do so?

[limpid summit]

Because garmond does not say “I am Garmond, a man”

[willow epoch]

after all, she does it very well in most cases

[spark valve]

That’s not what it being ambiguous means

[pseudo raptor]

She calls Garmond sir a few times this is just a weird writing quirk

[spark valve]

Ambiguous means it’s not specified not that the speaker doesn’t know

[willow epoch]

if hornet knows garmond is a sir, why would they be used

[limpid summit]

For fun

[spark valve]

because that's a normal thing in english

[pseudo raptor]

You'll have to ask tc themselves I think

[willow epoch]

blanket statements arent doing much sense

[spark valve]

if I were to say 'my cousin is walking their dog' that would not imply that they are nonbinary or that I don't know their gender, I'm just not stating it in that sentence

[lapis trellis]

Why would Hornet use they/them for characters like Garmond even though their gender is clear?

[willow epoch]

"thats normal in english" "thats just how it works" explain the inner mechanisms to me

[spark valve]

I am

[spark valve]

.

[willow epoch]

you aren't though 👀

except she does know it

[spark valve]

read that message again slowly

[willow epoch]

she calls him sir... what's up now

[limpid summit]

Wdym the inner mechanisms

If you know someone’s gender you can still use gender neutral pronouns for them

I see him vs I see them

Still one person that you know is male

[spark valve]

the actual inner mechanisms use shit like morphological feature geometry I'm not gonna bring up because it's more gritty than anyone is going to be able to understand in this context

[unique canopy]

English is not a prescriptive language, there is no "Royal English Language Authority" that says what "real English" is and is not, the meaning of words is how people use them and its inner mechanisms are not anything deeper than that.

[willow epoch]

thats why im confused

[tepid mountain]

Tammo is saying that English speakers sometimes use “they” to refer to people whose gender is known. It’s not only used as a gender-neutral term.

That’s all there is to it.

[vestal swan]

"did your dad fix his car"
"Yes he did"
"Did your dad fix his car"
"Yes they did"

These are both valid ways to use the term it just looks a little funny

[willow epoch]

thank you LMAyemO

[limpid summit]

And we already know she talks weird

[willow epoch]

oh very much so. how exquisite

[limpid summit]

She probably learned that from Typo Lady

[spark valve]

it's not even weird people just way overthink it

[willow epoch]

i'm just making questions, tammo

[spark valve]

using they vs a gendered pronoun is arbitrary especially when the distinction wouldn't really restrict a domain in context

[vestal swan]

When the speech mannerisms of characters range from almost caveman to attempting to be fancy old English it's going to be confusing for the average person, especially when there's a language barrier

[limpid summit]

Restriction? Domain?

[spark valve]

shut up shut up shut up

[willow epoch]

yeah i acknowledge that, and that's why i'm asking questions

i want to understand it better before forming any opinions lol

[vestal swan]

Don't worry we don't understand it sometimes either

Now what was the topic actually about? Did you figure out what you were asking

[willow epoch]

just the they/them thing!

i'm still not fully sure why it occurs like that, like the world-related reason for hornet to be they/them'ing people... but since someone said it's her weird way of speaking, i guess that's that?

[pseudo raptor]

It also occurs in the meta section of the journal so I'd ascribe it to TC's weird way of writing instead

[spark valve]

it's just english

[willow epoch]

team cherry... give me your gender...

[pseudo raptor]

It's normal to wonder why the less specific pronoun is used when the specific one is known

[spark valve]

that's just a normal thing to do

[sinful nimbus]

Garmond being called they foreshadows his eventual void death

[unique canopy]

For all we know, written Pharloom language could have more than 3 gendered pronouns (likely since they're all bugs) and the wonkiness is translating it into English

[sinful nimbus]

[spark valve]

It’s just English gang

[supple plover]

what i really want to know is

when exactly hornet switches to a different language when talking to someone

because it's very clear that the pharloom bugs just speak a Funny language and we the players are the ones seeing the translations live

similarly to how The Herald speaks his own language and Hornet also knows and understands it??

[limpid summit]

PK had a truce with the Shrumals so he probably learned their language

[spark valve]

shrumal communication is such a lame retcon

[steep talon]

Vaultkeeper refers to pontiff as they which is interesting

[spark valve]

it used to be cool

[steep talon]

ok crack theory time

[pseudo raptor]

Hornet is cool

[sinful nimbus]

Why is he lying?

[steep talon]

Now that I have been informed on the timeline of weavenests all over pharloom, and how all them are attempts at dealing with mother silk problem, it makes me wonder what Karn's idea was.

Karn's weavenest is the only one that has weaver grave in it. All other graves are situated outside of weavenests. We do know the reason behind those graves though:

"Sisters, spiders, the burden is passed. These simple bugs shall bear it full. Never to cease. Never to silence.

We shall die, and wait, and pray, that one may come of silken strength enough to weave us free."

This is a way to die or enter some sort of stasis for their mind/soul and then pass techniques and teachings for someone strong enough to defeat GMS. I think the fact that Karn is the only weavenest with a grave is supposed to imply that Karn was researching this technology as her plan to deal with GMS.

But it doesnt end here. In weavenest Atla we see several weavers in a thread memory, implying that at least in some weavenests research wasnt done by one weaver. It's not just Karn that was researching this technology, it's all weaver inside their graves that we meet on the journey.

[pseudo raptor]

Absolom has the silk soar spire

[steep talon]

ah shit

play the worlds smallest violin for my dead crack theory

[heavy gyro]

People be calling anything retcons now

[lapis creek]

yeah hornet cant just learn a language

[vestal swan]

That's not a retcon

She just knows more languages than TK

She also doesn't know Ant so it's not like the language thing was hand-waved as she can understand everything

[steep talon]

cant* ?

[vestal swan]

What

Oh

[pseudo raptor]

... hand-waved as "she can understand everything"

[vestal swan]

You had me double thinking what I wrote, English sucks man

[steep talon]

true....

[lapis creek]

skill issue

[pseudo raptor]

"You had you double thinking"

[fathom hill]

do some even know what retcons are

how would hornet knowing shroom be a retcon if in hk its not even mentioned that she can or can't do that

its been a while since the first hk what abt she learned shit

[spark valve]

yeah but that's not how the tablets work in hk, the text doesn't even appear unless you're linked to the hive mind

[vestal swan]

This I'm blaming on my phone it randomly decided to change me to you, it also decides to randomly change you to I

[spark valve]

it's not a language barrier in hk it's a psychic link barrier

[vestal swan]

Or TK just learns the language by being connected, the tablet isn't like psycicy warded

[sinful nimbus]

The tablets will not glow with text without spore shroom

I'm kinda shaking and crying tbh I never expected silksong to have a retcon in it

[vestal swan]

I give up trying to fix my typos with my left hand, suffer my gibberish.

[fathom hill]

unbelievable

did we change lace age for retcon discourse here like what are we doin

[lapis creek]

theres one more kind of discourse that youre forgetting

[fathom hill]

isnt it more interesting to discuss actually why can she do that than just saying its a retcon

[lapis creek]

it rhymes with 'genocide'

[fathom hill]

cuz thats interesting, since hornet seems to know the herald

[steep talon]

pesticide?

[fathom hill]

and knows a bit of his nature enough to seek him for advice

[vestal swan]

Patricide

[steep talon]

damn why we killing patric, the fuck did he do

[fathom hill]

five topics, spin the wheel

[vestal swan]

He tried to harness the void

[vestal swan]

Cabbage patch babies

[lapis creek]

the fifth one is whether the princes are actually twins

[fathom hill]

only one that cares abt that is you weapon

[fathom hill]

exactly

[steep talon]

hey usually this one is over quickly

[spark valve]

there are only like three idiots who think that it's not a real topic

[steep talon]

so honestly dont mind it much

[lapis creek]

the fourth one is about how star is a bitch and nobody likes her

[spark valve]

that one people never shut the fuck up about

[fathom hill]

fav one so far no complaints

[steep talon]

well thats pretty harsh

[silk dirge]

this discussion yesterday was wild

there is no way someone can say ingame art isnt diegetic and not be ragebaiting

[fathom hill]

1. lace age
2. slab flies
3. retcons
4. green prince sibling thing
5. pronourns

extra is us complaining about the other 5

[silk dirge]

silksong fans when 2 grasshoppers that are the same species look similar

[pseudo raptor]

pronouns

[ornate pier]

What about like phantoms gender

[fathom hill]

5. pronouns

[steep talon]

fuck, i gotta do something to get into that top 5

[fathom hill]

thank you, we have exodia

[ornate pier]

Yeah peonouns

[steep talon]

something fucked up yeha

[fathom hill]

meet potential sk lore

no im not using the template correct

wait huhhhh

[steep talon]

boo, i dont even know what joke you are referencing booo

[fathom hill]

not my problem dear

also cant share memes here or ill get muted

[olive quartz]

and she can speak fungus LMAO

[fathom hill]

yes

[dull walrus]

Hello

[next solar]

Is it possible that Rosaries are designed to be round and easily lost ON PURPOSE by the Citadel?

I mean the citadel would want to reduce how many rosaries people actually have so it almost seems intentional that the beads are round and easy to lose

[dawn sluice]

can
can i have explanation

[fathom hill]

joke abt how we repeat the same 5 topics here every day

[dawn sluice]

dang, how old do you think lace is

[fathom hill]

very

[dawn sluice]

actually i wanted an explanation on the topics
theres a little more than just discussing slab flies and retcons in general, they're very broad
also pronourns

[fathom hill]

you can just tune any day and we'll probably be talking abt them anyways but if you insist

[pseudo raptor]

They'd make it unacceptable to drill holes in them and string them up in that case I think

[dawn sluice]

ive barely heard slab flies, lace's age, or the green prince sibling thing discussed at all

[steep talon]

well consider yourself lucky then

[fathom hill]

lace age: self explanatory, some believe that lace is a child in mind, some believe thats not possible. Its mostly the same three pieces of dialogue discussed and re interpreted and over interpreted or not interpreted enough
slab flies: aka the hornet is racist discussion, do slab flies deserve the awful things hornet says? what did tc intend by making hornet so opposed to the flies? is hornet advocating for genocide, is this just an oversight or is hornet just a genuinely terrible bug
retcons: Herrah, lifeblood, weavers themselves, shade lord and some others. This one normally is more tied with people saying that ss story is kind of messy
Green prince: less discussed but some translations seem to imply that the green prince and his partner this?? also how overall mysterious the whole topic is since we have not much info on the gp partner, and what we know of is how hornet says he is vain for liking someone as similar. Narcissus discussion and homophobic hornet may make an appearance in chat

fuck i wanted to separate

[pseudo raptor]

Speaking of retcons I wonder if the weaver infertility isn't so much meant to be a retcon but to explain Midwife's purpose

[fathom hill]

anyways the pronouns thing is always either directed to the vessels or the many characters that use they them in ss, like phantom which is also referred to as a sister or lugoli or the last judge

[dawn sluice]

what about lifeblood

[fathom hill]

the last one being confirmed to be female by tc

[fathom hill]

Ok so lifeblood is a weird one since the retcon seems to be both in hk or in part with ss since we have contradictory statements from hornet herself

she both seems to know the extent of lifebloods consequences while also not

so is this an oversight again or like

is hornet being just an asshole for not caring if pharloom is destroyed by lifeblood

or does it tie with the whole, character development aspect that she goes through, through acts 1-2 to 3

where she just doesnt care if pharloom is overtaken by lifeblood but may change her mind

[dawn sluice]

as per yarnaby's words 'don't be such a baby, its good for you'

[fathom hill]

since through act 3 she changes

[valid coral]

It's implied that wormways specifically is a breeding ground for lifeblood and it isn't likely to spread elsewhere

[dawn sluice]

i wonder if she changed in act 3 because it was her own fault, because she cares for pharloom, or because of both due to her extended stay there

[valid coral]

Considering the lifeblood infection in wormways is only because of Zyoltol and his assistant dumping the shit everywhere

[fathom hill]

thats the thing, since hornets dialogue seems to imply that lifeblood is capable of extending beyond

[valid coral]

Which one of those implies that?

[fathom hill]

cue the "once in my home caves this substance was allowed to flourish"

but yknow no trace of lifeblood infection so?

[dawn sluice]

(not really ALLOWED)

[fathom hill]

key word is was

[dawn sluice]

we dont know if that was is referring to before silksong or before the pale king

[valid coral]

Probably related to Joni

And the lifeblood beast in abyss

[fathom hill]

fair enough but

[valid coral]

It could be pre PK and once he came he abolished lifeblood leading to it's limited sources in HK

And Joni's death

[fathom hill]

if there was a lifeblood infection before ss why would hornet not care to use it or even just yknow

warn anyone abt it, thats the discussion

[dawn sluice]

one thing to note about lifeblood is how it can survive in the abyss somehow

[tepid mountain]

She doesn’t care about using it herself, because she says her unique shell can resist the deformations, to a limit.

[valid coral]

Lifeblood doesn't have soul? I guess??

[fathom hill]

Im guessing it does have some addicting thing to it

[dawn sluice]

if we use the plasmium phial enough we have the hornet knight!

[fathom hill]

wasnt it separated anyways?

like the big door

[valid coral]

The big door that you can only enter with an absurd amount of lifeblood masks

[fathom hill]

also like a lil above the actual void lake below

[dawn sluice]

true but we do see some of the vines stretching outward
so maybe?
idk

[valid coral]

If we weren't playing a goddamn vacuum when it comes to the stuff we'd never be able to get inside

[fathom hill]

now makes me wonder who was tasked to open the door with that system

[dawn sluice]

we all know the abyss is held back by big doors

[fathom hill]

a strong enough junkie headass

[valid coral]

Only those that have been overtaken by lifeblood I guess?

Not even Hornet can reach that amount of masks

[dawn sluice]

yeah but then who made it
the lifeblood medium-higher being?

[fathom hill]

yah exaclty, strong enough junkie

[valid coral]

Presumably since we don't see a seal on it at all

Could be that the lifeblood creature sealed itself inside out of fear from either the void or the infection

[dawn sluice]

and then along came the knight who didnt care about any of that and has no such thing as an overdose

[valid coral]

Slurped that shit up with a fucking straw

[dawn sluice]

yeah

no such thing as excess

[valid coral]

Actually doesn't the lifeblood abyss area also have dreamcatcher particles?

[dawn sluice]

yeah, despite being connected to the real plane of existence

[fathom hill]

honestly i like this retcon idk

[dawn sluice]

it makes you wonder: what truly IS lifeblood

[valid coral]

So the abyss creature could also be like the radiance and have no physical form outside of the lifeblood

[fathom hill]

the lil weavers thing is a bit annoying but i think theres enough space for it to be the transient silk spun creatures hornet mentions

[dawn sluice]

this explains why lifeblood is so incredibly similar to the infection

[fathom hill]

but who is to know

[fathom hill]

i mean its in the materium no?

[valid coral]

The creation of a higher being, that has medicinal properties until a point and is addicting (not very confirmed) and past that point corrupts whoever is intaking it

[valid coral]

Also who's to say the radiance didn't hijack lifeblood for her infection?

[fathom hill]

also really interesting that it is foreign, could be that hallownest plasmium is also originally foreign?

or brought by joni right

[valid coral]

I doubt it since the abyss creature is there (although in dream realm)

But if I had to bet who brought it in it'd be Joni

[fathom hill]

i mean

could it be a plasmified big bug?

not really the origin of lifeblood

[dawn sluice]

i mean lightseeds are just infected single celled organisms
maybe lifeblood and the radiance just have similar ways of doing things

[valid coral]

But we also see it in Godhome

[fathom hill]

do we?

[valid coral]

And it reaches into Godhome to implant itself into the pantheons

[valid coral]

In the background of the binding lifeblood room where you unlock the rest area lifeblood yes

[fathom hill]

wait you right

what is bro doing there

why so shy

[valid coral]

Not even the Godseekers detected this thing

Which is mildly terrifying

[olive quartz]

i don't think it's been suggested that lifeblood is from either of the kingdom's we've seen

[fathom hill]

not pharloom ig

zylotol brought it to pharloom

[olive quartz]

it pretty clearly spreads physically, indeed it only makes it to pharloom at all because some seeds were physically brought there from elsewhere

[fathom hill]

tbf they also missed zote somehow

[olive quartz]

probably a similar deal for hallownest, it would be odd to me for lifeblood to be from there

[fathom hill]

zote is said that he just ratted himself into godhome no

[valid coral]

One Godseeker decided to attune themselves to Zote and that resulted in the Eternal Ordeal

[fathom hill]

also ig bugs in hk have blood

good to know

[twin ocean]

I HAVE A THEORY...

[olive quartz]

bugs irl have blood

[valid coral]

What the fuck I see it

[valid coral]

Different kind than ours (using copper I believe?) but yeah

[twin ocean]

idk how i was just reminding myself of spell twister effects for P5 then iz onticed it

[fathom hill]

um actually i think they have other stuff that is basically the same tissue but different composition

anyways blood is too much a broad term since it doesnt really explain any tissue in particular

[olive quartz]

it is blood in the same sense our blood is blood, it has the same purpose

[olive quartz]

eva is made of silk so definitely a reach

[twin ocean]

doesnt need to be weavers probably enslaved in hallownest too

[olive quartz]

ru suggesting that the vague similarity between the sprites of eva and soul twister is intended to suggest that the soul sanctum was creating artificial life in the manner of the weavers

[twin ocean]

plus snail shamans have a history of uhh..

[fervent sigil]

where is poshanka lore

[twin ocean]

poshanka lore elder hu uhh

yeah thats it

[fervent sigil]

dream pancakes

my love

[fathom hill]

blood is too broad a term as i said

[olive quartz]

i mean everything in hk is a bug or a plant so blood would only ever refer to bug blood

[fathom hill]

shroom erasure I can't believe it

[fervent sigil]

does mossbag post ss lore i havent watched him in a year

[polar fiber]

he did 1 or 2 days ago

[fathom hill]

they did post something like two days ago

[fervent sigil]

js checked true

[fathom hill]

haven't seen it whole but apparently it got backlash

either that or like three people complained and someone said that it faced backlash

idk reddit twitter drama idc

[twin ocean]

6 or 7 years ago on hk

[sinful nimbus]

the mossbag situation is CRAZY

[twin ocean]

what sitaution

[fervent sigil]

im too old for that meme

[fathom hill]

I can't believe he got m pregged and won't be able to make hk vids anymore 💔

[sinful nimbus]

idk about any backlash but it did get weaver lore wrong so maybe it should be lashed out on

[fervent sigil]

god

[fathom hill]

what did he get wrong

oh also the pinned comment

[sinful nimbus]

Cindril 💔 🥀