sk-lore

[ionic bear]

^^^

[silk dirge]

except the rune harp says they did this by dying

[sinful nimbus]

Did you read the ballador rune harp because it says they died

Cindril weavers left the Citadel ones died

[ionic bear]

if that is so, then fully canon and estabolished thigns tated in game are false

[sinful nimbus]

Such as?

[teal horizon]

Yeah, they died in exile.

[silk dirge]

what

[sinful nimbus]

vro just making stuff up

[eternal cove]

It's Phantom who releases Hornet from the Runecage at the start of the game, right?

[silk dirge]

they died in the weaver spires

[sinful nimbus]

Probably Lace

[eternal cove]

Phantom has arguably the closest connection to the Silkflies, and she's asking you to kill her if you use the needolin

[sinful nimbus]

Lace is seen conducting silkflies too

[eternal cove]

That's true

[silk dirge]

wtf powdered is slacking

[ionic bear]

lace is seen conducting silkflies

[eternal cove]

Honestly, could've been either of them
Maybe it was both

[teal horizon]

Are you saying they left Pharloom without leaving the bugs to sing? And then they died and that's what made the bugs start singing? How would that even work?

[sinful nimbus]

Well Phantom is slaving away in the organ

[alpine spruce]

Also bro wtf are those ghosts in the Mist

Got me staining my drawers everytime they scream 😭

[ionic bear]

i dont believe phantom leaves the organ very much if at all

[sinful nimbus]

There are multiple groups of weavers

The ones in Cindril left

Atla went on to establish the Citadel

The Citadel weavers later died IN PHARLOOM

[teal horizon]

Phantom seems less rebel-y than Lace. I can see Lace defying Silk's rule more, especially since she does so again just before Act 3

[sinful nimbus]

Weavenests showcase different approaches to dealing with GMS's oppression

[ionic bear]

i believe the citadel was coordinated by all weavenests

[sinful nimbus]

Why would Cindril be involved in that

Why would the people making guns be involved

[silk dirge]

citadel was devised by atla

[sinful nimbus]

Atla has a full blown songshrine bell in it yes

[ionic bear]

gng

[eternal cove]

Seems a bit odd that Lace would free you, and then not mention as such

[ionic bear]

i cant tell you the motivations for fictional characters who are refered to vaguely

[silk dirge]

"oh how sad a spider has fallen from its cage"

[sinful nimbus]

OK but the motivations are pretty clear

[silk dirge]

i think that's pretty directly her saying she freed hornet

[sinful nimbus]

Cindril was fleeing GMS not sealing her

There's a rune harp telling people to gtfo

[teal horizon]

Ah, if you mean the 4-5 that give you your powers, sure

[eternal cove]

Okay that's fair

[vestal swan]

The files are full of contradictory content that have no reason to still be in the game, that's why we don't bring them up

Ah man my power blinked out

[silk dirge]

wtf were they doing in weavenest karn 💔

mfs thought they were killing gms with sharpdart

[sinful nimbus]

Devising sequence breaks

[quaint spear]

First Sinner being called First Weaver in the files is (???)

[spark valve]

cindril's motivations aren't remotely vague they're actually pretty explicit and directly contradictory with the notion of the citadel

[vestal swan]

Non cannon

[ionic bear]

i love that everyone has a different interpretation of the lore, it makes conversaiton much mor einteresting

[vestal swan]

You might be able to reach that conclusion with other information but the files are not canon

[ionic bear]

^

[silk dirge]

i mean its likely but dont trust files

its a theory i like

[cedar owl]

non-cannon, but you cant deny that it's interesting

[teal horizon]

Maybe a bunker? Even GMS wouldn't want to go through the Wormways :p . Bilewater would have been more effective, but the Weavers didn't dare go there themselves

[vestal swan]

? My power went out what happened

[silk dirge]

theres a weavenest in bilewater

[ionic bear]

murglin

[silk dirge]

someone posted a meme gif

smh i cant believe you couldnt delete a gif

[vestal swan]

I can, I don't consider anything that's cut because the intention could completely change the game. The story is confusing enough as it is I'm not going to try to fill the gaps with misinformation

[teal horizon]

That doesn't change much, but it does explain why she would know about the lie, since she would have witnessed all other weavers being elevated

[eternal cove]

I don't mind that there are three Lace fights
When DS1 copied the Asylum Demon three times, that fight is basic and uninteresting, because he's basically just a regular enemy
But Lace is well designed with a ton of variability, and while it would've been nice for Lace 2 to have a bit more differentiation, I still think it's fun

[ionic bear]

game refers to it as found out, not remembered

[sinful nimbus]

I love a duel final bossfight

Lost Lace could use a lot of work though

Lace could also have a real character that would probably make the ending better

[vestal swan]

It changes nothing because it's not final game content

[teal horizon]

Yeah, in the current game, but maybe it was remembered in previous versions of the lore

[vestal swan]

Doesn't matter

[ionic bear]

previous versions dont matter, we are talking about the current version

[teal horizon]

When the heck did I ever say it was?

[sinful nimbus]

but in a previous version coral gorge was alive 🥹

[ionic bear]

thats the only previous version we need to worry about gng

[silk dirge]

real

[sinful nimbus]

mfw the map peaked in 2021 💔

[silk dirge]

starpengu when someone says the gloom is not peak

[ionic bear]

we need red coral gorge back in a memory area PLEASE team cherry PLEASE

[sinful nimbus]

Purple Pukebug...

[spark valve]

gloom would either be incredibly mid or very cool no in between

[teal horizon]

It could use some final badass thing. The Radiance had the climb with all the vessels. Lace just loses like she did the first two times we fought her

[vestal swan]

Gloom would suck ass because it would be the fourth swamp area

[silk dirge]

wait wtf is this area

[sinful nimbus]

They already ripped off Radiance's climb with the GMS runback sorry 🥀

[silk dirge]

is this unbiled bilewater

[ionic bear]

i think the fight doesnt NEED to be all grand and flashy

[quaint spear]

Wtf is this

[inner nacelle]

some people are saying sula (steel soul) is a snail shaman? can anyone tell me where this is from because I dont see it

[vestal swan]

A figment of your imagination

[lilac hedge]

greybilewater

[silk dirge]

theyre wrong

[vestal swan]

They definitely are not they have too many limbs and their body is very different

[sinful nimbus]

tuff

[ionic bear]

the fight is a (i dont know the right word so im using the closest one i can think of) symbolic one

[inner nacelle]

👍

[teal horizon]

Considering the Steel Assassin was a backer's character, I have zero doubt we'll get an extension in the DLC, probably with the coral gorge somewhere (which is where we saw steel creatures in the trailer)

[inner nacelle]

Thoughts on protag for next sequel? my moneys on seth or THK

[sinful nimbus]

Its just not the same...

[ionic bear]

snail shamans are snails

[vestal swan]

There's not going to be one

[lilac hedge]

no more hk games

[inner nacelle]

zoteboat isnt happening

[ionic bear]

not gonna be one

[sinful nimbus]

The bearer of masks 🗣️

[ionic bear]

unless team cherry loves us

[teal horizon]

It's the final boss of the game, you'd expect some sense of accomplishment

[ionic bear]

i cant wait for mask bearer vro

[silk dirge]

ok wait i think this area is just an enlarged sinners road before bilewater was added

[inner nacelle]

wb the mister mushroom ending

I thought thats the entire point

[ionic bear]

oh

you might be right actually if orgot ab mr mushroom ending

[inner nacelle]

its gonna be seth or THK in the city of steel I just know it

[sinful nimbus]

Mister Mushroom foreshadows Hornet's actions calling him again in the future

[lilac hedge]

maybe hes gonna be in another tc game but not about the hollow knight universe

[ionic bear]

3rd HK game the protag is zote and each hit we do 100000000 damage

[ionic bear]

I HOPE ITS THK IS CITY OF STEEL

[inner nacelle]

no its the original hollow knight

who deleted my doakes gif 😭

[teal horizon]

I can't see Seth. THK would be fun, just to see how big they'd have to make the corridors. My money is on Shakra or Lace

[vestal swan]

Dlc
Also Mr mushroom breaks the fourth wall he could show up in a non hollow Knight related game

[lilac hedge]

took the word outta my mouth

[inner nacelle]

shorting lace because they are anchored to hornet for life or they litterally die

I dont think we will see hornet again anytime soon

[ionic bear]

^

[cedar owl]

that's The Gloom

[teal horizon]

We could have a Luigi's Mansion type of thing, with Lace trying to rescue Hornet from smth

[cedar owl]

wait, it is the gloom?

[lilac hedge]

mfs calling anything the gloom

[inner nacelle]

seth got dementia and hes about to go see the world (reverse quirrel) my moneys on a vacation trip to the steelsouls city of steel

[cedar owl]

well, that is exactly where the gloom was

[lilac hedge]

its just greymoor but with extended sinners road and bilewater

[ionic bear]

though i like the idea of it being seth, hes around as big as hornet, and he has the neccesary combat skill

[cedar owl]

the gloom was replaced by bilewater at some point

[inner nacelle]

also dlc predictions godhome returns and the hermit crab village with lifeblood spire

grimm troupe is NOT returning

[blissful harbor]

i’m betting city of steel is dlc

[inner nacelle]

im betting city of steel is seuqel

[blissful harbor]

they said they wanted to move on from HK after ss

[cedar owl]

godmaster dlc inside the shade lord's tummy

[inner nacelle]

how else we getting bossrush back theres bossrush code in the game

[cedar owl]

open your mouth brother
why, dear sister
just do it

[inner nacelle]

also DLC aint coming out till summer atleast

[ionic bear]

ar eyou in the northern or southern hemisphere

gng in tryna figure you which summer you mean 😭

[stray fog]

The southern hemisphere has summer rn, right?

[ionic bear]

^

[stray fog]

Yeah so he must be talking about the north

[ionic bear]

im heavily assuming they mean th enorthern one

lmao

[slim tree]

In a blink gone

ok is it just me or do dark decent and broken vessel sound so so similar

[inner nacelle]

who keeps deleting my messages

[upbeat star]

So whats with the herald? Does he observe dying/dead kingdoms?

[sinful nimbus]

Often

His schtick is showing up when an age is about to end so not when a kingdom dies exclusively

[upbeat star]

And him taking off means hes going to another kingdom thats about to turn an age?

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[slim tree]

mister mushroom is sequel giver basically

[upbeat star]

So then they are working on a third game?

[heavy gyro]

Maybe the to be continued is for act 4

[slim tree]

please no

dlc is fine like how hk did it but a new kingdom as dlc?

too much

[silk dirge]

a new kingdom as dlc already got tried once

we saw how it went

[heavy gyro]

Wasnt hornet dlc supposed to be in hallownest

[silk dirge]

no

pharloom was planned from 2017

[heavy gyro]

And it got changed into a new kingdom and game because hornet was too large to fit in hallownest's areas

[silk dirge]

but it was going to be a smaller kingdom as dlc

from 2017

[valid minnow]

hey

[sinful nimbus]

badly? 💔

Sharpe is cooked

[upbeat star]

Did the owner of sharpe ever get in contact with tc?

[wintry flame]

he did

[past cypress]

Not necessarily, he could be chilling at whatever home he resides in and waiting for another age-turning to happen

[limpid summit]

He likely did, considering his wife said they’ll contact TC and didn’t reply to a comment weeks later asking about it

So they probably got a DLC NDA or something

[sudden ginkgo]

Oh, I can't no more make up my own lore and say "mossbag didn't put video lore goes anarchy"
🙁 🙁

[rugged storm]

Are the bell beasts related to groms and gromlings, and does this mean the bell beast can be plasmified😭

[upbeat star]

Any creature can be taken over by lifeblood

[rugged storm]

I mean all enemies can be plasmified

But like the groms

[upbeat star]

Unless the bell beast is a higher being, they cant resist lifebloods bad side effects

[rugged storm]

Is it possible savage beast flies were also made in the memorium? Probably not

[trail cedar]

No more ss lore i guess sk lore is better

[dapper willow]

we might run out of lore at some point

[sinful nimbus]

Don't worry little #sk-lore regular, we got enough Lace age and Phantom gender discourse to feed you your entire life

[foggy fractal]

how about ending discourse

[sinful nimbus]

Weaver queen best ending don't @ me

[foggy fractal]

oh I meant like which one leads into sotv

[sinful nimbus]

That too

[hushed viper]

Chat who will win Grand Mother Silk or 10 Silk eaters

[vestal swan]

Etv only good ending

[opaque pier]

No because hornet and thk had to fight :((

[obtuse creek]

Items

[sinful nimbus]

Why would they fight

[vestal swan]

They don't have to fight and they're not going to

[sinful nimbus]

See Powdered this is why its the worst ending its misleading garbage

worst ending pre-silksong that is

[vestal swan]

Misleading garbage is SOTV because it misleads you into thinking you're watching a marvel movie

[opaque pier]

I mean idk they looked like they was gonna

[sinful nimbus]

Might as well be

[vestal swan]

Thk was limping out, the seal just released them automatically because the radiance died they are still very weak. Hornet was just very surprised because she was expecting TK to walk up to the front door not the other sibling to walk out from inside

[foggy fractal]

does it ?

[vestal swan]

Cameo that doesn't make sense and is only there to farm aura

Marvel movie

[foggy fractal]

thk wouldn't put up much of a fight anyway

also read above

[opaque pier]

Yeah thats the sad part :(

[opaque pier]

Where

I cant read

[foggy fractal]

this

[opaque pier]

Ohhh so thk is alive and happy?

Etv is the best ending ever

[foggy fractal]

same with etv tbh, people say that hallownest is screwed because shade lord but the knight would probably just go to the abyss and chill

[foggy fractal]

we don't know

[silk dirge]

SNARE THEIR SILK

[vestal swan]

Unless hornet just lost her marbles and decided to kill thk thk should live through that ending, but we don't know if they live to the present day

[sinful nimbus]

Well, presumably just alive

[maiden meteor]

thk getting high on that lifeblood juice rn

[opaque pier]

Should thk live even longer than hornet since hes 100% god?

[stray fog]

What would thk even be doing

[vestal swan]

They are not 100% god, they are a corpse like TK is

They were grown with unknown magic

Technically they will not age anymore

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think vessels can die of old age at all tbh

[vestal swan]

As far as we know actually

[opaque pier]

Enjoying his life hopefully

[vestal swan]

It's not outside the realm of possibility that whatever they did to thk to let the body grow might have let the body start to age as well

[stray fog]

Hallownest doesn't have anything to enjoy

[maiden meteor]

frankly they’re probably severely depressed

[sinful nimbus]

THK was going to seal Radiance indefinitely the body wouldn't die of old age

[maiden meteor]

only person they cared about is long dead lmao and kingdom they suffered to protect is gone

[opaque pier]

Colosseum of fools 👀

[opaque pier]

Cant they go visit their tree mom

[stray fog]

Those mfs will go crazy if the literal hollow knight shows up

[maiden meteor]

probably wouldn’t fit through the door

I think THK’s best bet would be wandering to other kingdoms

or maybe going to Abyss

[opaque pier]

As long as they dont get captured by the city of steel im happy

[maiden meteor]

Hornet finally goes to leave Pharloom and happens to meet THK at the entrance

“Lil bro sent their greetings”

[opaque pier]

As if she didnt see them 2 seconds ago inside the void sea

[maiden meteor]

Pale King family reunion would be pretty weird

[opaque pier]

From lil bro to big bro

[polar fiber]

for starters he wont be there

[opaque pier]

He will, he'll just be a little... unresponsive

[maiden meteor]

2025 nuclear family
-Tree mom
-Dead dad
-Daughters
-Woke Void

[opaque pier]

What if the pk and wl had a togore like aborted baby 🤔

The full to the brim vessel

[vestal swan]

But we need another BS reason to explain the line of "sustain your likes"

Test

Mmmn laggy still

[vestal swan]

Reply fail

[stray fog]

Where is that line from?

[opaque pier]

Where was that said

[vestal swan]

It's what hornet says about not wanting to enter the temple or something

[stray fog]

Likes instead of lights?

[vestal swan]

Let me see if I can pull it up real quick

[foggy fractal]

I won't be joining you in this. That space is built to sustain your likes. Its bindings would drain me were I to join.

[vestal swan]

Ty Andy I could not find hornet in the bot

[foggy fractal]

yeah np

[vestal swan]

Basically she saying it is not built for something like me it's built for something like you

Also I know this is lame retcon territory, but I just ran in my thought the Weaver's really sucked not sharing their silk battery technology, it doesn't seem to need new silk so it's not like it would be a taxing resource

[unique canopy]

This in turn raises the question of what exactly happens to her in the sealed siblings ending, because on one hand her mask appears on the egg door like those of the dreamers, but unlike the dreamers her physical body is still inside.

[vestal swan]

That entire scenario was weird but we can at least assume that the egg's magic automatically decided to make her a dreamer for some reason

[obtuse creek]

Presumably like locking your keys inside your car

[vestal swan]

Because basically everything else in there activates automatically

[lyric widget]

got it, thanks

[stray fog]

What if the black egg is designed so that when an intruder breaks in, they become the new seal, effectively making the door impossible to reopen, so that noone else breaks in

[valid coral]

I assume whatever the egg does to the chosen vessels has the effect of putting a normal bug in a drained comatose state

[teal drift]

Hornet could be genetically obligated to pick up her moms mantle as well upon reopening of the egg?

[valid coral]

The question here is why can the knight just walk in and out willy nilly

[obtuse creek]

It’s not alive

[unique canopy]

Presumably, but it also implies that same whatever it is was also what was used to setup the dreamers, except with the addition of doing it outside the egg. Some form of dream world manipulation seems necessary.

[valid coral]

Egg could detect Herrah's heritage in her and mistakenly assume she's the intended dreamer

[stray fog]

The white lady urges the knight to replace thk, so maybe her and the pale king had planned for this

[teal drift]

I think we may be putting more thought into this than TC did?

[obtuse creek]

Welcome to this channel in a nutshell

[unique canopy]

That's half the fun

[valid coral]

But this also would lead to an egg with no dreamer for the seal, which brings up the question of if you can even open up the black egg temple if there's no dreamer

[stray fog]

Yes

[teal drift]

I feel like “yeah hornet got screwed too” was the main gist of the ending rather than the mechanics of her becoming a dreamer

[vestal swan]

Yeah it feels like it's just made to be an extra bad ending

Like wow you thought the first one was bad hold my beer

[valid coral]

sees sleeping bug
Close enough welcome new dreamer

[teal drift]

Or maybe hornet is just in a coma and decides to become a dreamer cause she cant wake up lol

[valid coral]

I don't think she'd willingly enter a comatose state for presumably eternity

[stray fog]

Thats how the silksong endings are too

Sotv is the best possible outcome in the long run, but pharloom is still in a bad state

[teal drift]

Or the radiance banishes her to the dream realm the way the dreamers tried to do to TK so shes just stuck there and doing the best she can

I mean greyroot ending is pretty optimistic tbf

[valid coral]

Twisted child is the sealed siblings of silksong

[vestal swan]

SOTV is best on paper but twisted child is actually the best one

[teal drift]

The lil guy overturns the system of power!!!

[valid coral]

We created a new higher being :D

[teal drift]

Go wriggling faetus!

[vestal swan]

And it's not going to use silk to puppet it the whole kingdom, probably...

[teal drift]

We actually dont know for certain that twisted bud isnt a chill dude…

[vestal swan]

I really wonder what grayroot would do with that power

[valid coral]

It'd be extremely funny if GPZ is what comes out of twisted child

[stray fog]

Zoteboat dlc

[vestal swan]

It's greyroot

[valid coral]

She really did not think that far when it came to infecting hornet with the parasite

She assumed hornet would just die instantly and be a source of energy for it, not going to kill god

[teal drift]

I think she just wanted to pass she lineage

[vestal swan]

Greyroot has been doing the cycle of possessing her own children and reincarnating and eating the host bugs power for a while

She calls it rebirth doesn't she?

[valid coral]

Wouldn't it be called the rite of rebirth in that case then?

Unless it already is and I'm misremembering

[stray fog]

That guy will be more pale and more of a higher being than hornet

Insanely powerful

[vestal swan]

I have an unbelievably terrible memory but I'm pretty sure it is actually called rebirth

[unique canopy]

It is

[vestal swan]

!wiki greyroot

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Greyroot

[unique canopy]

Rite of Rebirth, to be specific

[valid coral]

Yeah it's rite of rebirth

Which presumably means that this is just how greyroot reincarnates herself

Now if the twisted bud is just baby greyroot and it was sitting in Bilewater for some reason or if she just replaced it's mind with her own who knows

[unique canopy]

Maybe it's in bilewater to absorb waste silk for growth, like how the muckmaggots evolved to eat silk

[vestal swan]

Is my brain misfiring again or is the dialogue about the baby not there

[valid coral]

It's there for me

[vestal swan]

[hushed viper]

Gen question what are the significance of bells in Pharloom? Like ik it's songs and it's even stated by the bestiary in the bell throwers but, why bells? Harps makes more sense since even the weavers play them

Are Harps off limits to the common bug cuz it directly uses strings unlike bells?

[vestal swan]

I only see stuff about the poison bud retrieval mission

[sinful nimbus]

The bellvein seems to echo melody up to GMS's prison which you couldn't do with strings

[polar fiber]

youre on rite of pollip not rebirth

[sinful nimbus]

Other than that I do not believe there is a specific reason for using bells its just a different instrument to play

[vestal swan]

It's easier for your average citizen to learn how to swing a bell up and down then to play an instrument, and it's theorized that all of these small bells might have been used in the original sealing of GMS to play the music in harmony across the region

[hushed viper]

oo

[slim tree]

Im lowkey really confused

[vestal swan]

It's still an absurd amount of bells either way

[lilac hedge]

can anyone tell me any theory about who gives you the surface memento or what it exactly is

[slim tree]

why did gms order hornet to be delivered alive yet everything tries to kill her

[vestal swan]

It just falls off of a building? It's like a family crest or something from the abandoned and rotted buildings

[hushed viper]

I think it's just a random village, i could stretch and say that it's the village garmond came from but i dont think that's the case

[vestal swan]

Well they had to kick her ass to put her in the rune cage first, they basically sent a whole platoon after her and the only thing that came back was like six little guys

[lilac hedge]

why do you play the needolin to get it then? and specifically the bell beast one, wouldn't it be more normal just to hit near it?

[vestal swan]

Technically possible given the really weird lifespan of bugs but I feel like there's a giant gap of time between that original village and the events of the Kingdom

[vestal swan]

You don't need to play a specific tune for it?

And it probably just made it shake off the wall

[hushed viper]

You forgot the factor in the fact that the seal is glued to the ceiling using "OnlyFallsWhenAHalfWyrmHalfWeaverPlaystheNeedolin" glue-silk mixture

[slim tree]

couldnt they have just killed her in the cage? Why bring her to pharloom? And why does gms want hornet to meet her at the cradle (silk heart memories)

[vestal swan]

To be absorbed probably, I don't know if alive or dead is really going to matter for the end result but apparently alive would be more beneficial if they bothered to capture her alive

[hushed viper]

i think there's a reason she had to be in pharloom alive, but now she's free she just went "Fuck it we tried hard enough she just gotta die now this is too much"

[silk dirge]

holy shit

[hushed viper]

<@&283547423706447872> kill this man

[slim tree]

if gms wanted to bind hornet like in scrapped ending then why does she control the haunted bugs to kill hornet

[hushed viper]

she's too much of a hassle now ig

[slim tree]

Lmao someone dmed me that earlier

how are they even getting hacked

[misty stirrup]

She doesn't have full control over the haunting it seems/ it's not a fully conscious effort . The flies also send you to the slab and not to the cradle

[lilac hedge]

yep the only logical explanation is that

[lilac hedge]

nvm i said that cuz when you played it you hear a roar but i realized it was just the bell beasts trying to reach you

[vestal swan]

Because she's too dangerous let loose in the kingdom? Killing her might also just be a like second option just not as good

[slim tree]

so they fight hornet not because gms wants them to but because they see her as a threat

Because somehow everyone knows shes a weaver

[hushed viper]

Honestly yea, that makes sense. I think it is mentioned that the Haunting despite making people work for GMS, but if your will/mind is conditioned enough, your body will just do what it usually does

In this case, for the flies it's to bring people to the slab since generations of slavery just conditioned their body to do that and only that

[slim tree]

how do they know genuinely she looks nothing like one

[vestal swan]

Well not everybody but, it's pretty obvious by the stuff she does

[hushed viper]

i dont think they know that's she's a weaver descendant, but they can differentiate who is haunted and who isn't

[vestal swan]

Shakra for example talks to her a bunch and doesn't call her Weaver at all because she has no idea (at least I don't think she does)

[slim tree]

that makes sense actually

[misty stirrup]

I do think that GMS at first wanted Hornet as a servant-daughter rather than a meal

[slim tree]

like how the infected just fight non infected bugs

[vestal swan]

She has lace why would she want one of her descendants of the people that sealed her up as a replacement daughter

[hushed viper]

On this topic, i want you all to remember that Trobbio isn't haunted at all, so yes he's actually killing hornet and fighting her TWICE, even going all the way to dress up, change colors of his stuff, and make a message board in Sonclave all on his own

No haunted motives, no infections, genuinely just excited to run a fade

[mint stratus]

Crack theory: Loam is the weaver in 1/4 staked to service

[lilac hedge]

havent we learned from phantom

[silk dirge]

no

whatever crack you are using that made you come up with that theory get tf off of it

[hushed viper]

let vro cook

[misty stirrup]

Cuz she doesn't want just one daughter. I'm going for a more literal 1st silk heart reading. I do no think GMS is smart enough to do a rug pull

[silk dirge]

thats gotta be some extra special shit

[slim tree]

This definitely is a crack theory

i think loam is one of the bugs from the surface which is why he talks like that

[lilac hedge]

pharlids being mini weavers was top 5 flabbergasted moments for me

[slim tree]

And looks like everyman from undertale

[slim tree]

also where the phar in pharloom comes from

[frigid prism]

Wsggg yall

[vestal swan]

"I don't think GMS is smart enough to do a rug pull"
She mutated and gaslit an entire race of beings into thinking they were her divine daughters

[slim tree]

thats what i understand at least

its called pharloom because it’s the weaver’s loom

[frigid prism]

Can talk educate me in sk lore

Mossbagg hasen't posted yet✌️

[vestal swan]

Specific questions and we might be able to help but we are all also lost in this mess

[slim tree]

he has

[hushed viper]

check again

[vestal swan]

Mossbag is not the authority on lore his newest video has inaccuracies

[slim tree]

mossbag actually just posted like 18 hours ago

[gentle aspen]

I mean, he literally uploaded a video yesterday but

use your brain is all

[slim tree]

no reason to be mean they just didnt know damn

[lilac hedge]

btw whats the parkour to nameless town named

[hushed viper]

have you considered that they havent checked again lately this has nothing to do with intelligence

[gentle aspen]

I don’t mean it in a rude way

[slim tree]

telling someone to use their brain is very much rude

[hushed viper]

i dont think it has a declared name

[gentle aspen]

use your brain as in put stuff together everyone is currently on the same level

[vestal swan]

You come to a discord channel That's not dedicated to the YouTuber and you say why hasn't this YouTuber posted yet instead of checking YouTube

[lilac hedge]

what if i get on the bench in that parkour leave the game and see what the game names it

[gentle aspen]

ask questions too

[hushed viper]

but i'm calling it "The final test of fitness" cuz that's what the mushroom herald calls it

[hushed viper]

The Cradle

[lilac hedge]

im still gonna check

[slim tree]

they never said that they just said this youtuber that i follow for lore hasnt posted yet so can you guys tell me

its really not that ridiculous

[vestal swan]

They didn't have to say it this is the path that they took to get this information

[slim tree]

ok but its ok that they did

the king has fallen

[vestal swan]

He never got back up he forgot to get the Life alert button

[lilac hedge]

interesting

[lone folio]

border caves?

[hushed viper]

me when i lie

[lilac hedge]

its the parkour in the cradle

[misty stirrup]

My goat has more cut scenes than scenes she's actually present in the final game

[lilac hedge]

what???

[lone folio]

yeah i can tell but thats a wierd name

whys it not like.. path of lame

[hushed viper]

that's literally photoshop

[lilac hedge]

just because i dont have enough rosaries doesnt mean im gonna photoshop the name of a place mate, its literally real try it

[hushed viper]

dude i literally see the rosaries stop lying even if it's not photoshopped you prob modded the game to change the name

[lilac hedge]

oh yes the mod where you can change the name of places in menus to trick people, yes i installed infinite rosaries cuz i was tired of being broke but it doesnt mean its false like try it if you dont believe me

[hushed viper]

i cant i dont have the game

[dusk harness]

Why would he mod the game to change the name. And why is this something you feel so strongly about you’re arguing over it and accusing him of forgery

[eternal cove]

If I had a nickel for every indie game I'm obsessed with where best girl wears a spiky accessory on her hand, I'd have two nickels
Which isn't a lot but it's funny it happened twice

[lilac hedge]

have anyone rn do it and get on the bench and leave it will literally say that

[lone folio]

im doing that right now

[slim tree]

If u say best girl again ill probably shoot myself i just recoiled so hard

[dusk harness]

If you don’t have the game you haven’t played it then why are you arguing over this

[hushed viper]

wait who

[slim tree]

the uhh barbed wires

Hornet

and idfk who else

[eternal cove]

Silksong has the Barbed Bracelet
Deltarune has the Thorn Ring

[hushed viper]

isnt that for her head

wait it's literally called bracelet 🥀

[vestal swan]

Braceley?

[hushed viper]

Mb i didnt realise that I'm a PM and UT/DR fan so my reading comprehension is in the negatives

[foggy fractal]

epic fail

[lilac hedge]

@lone folio got there yet

[vestal swan]

I feel like I forgot to do something when I got a ping

The hell was I doing

[foggy fractal]

probably one of those scam messages that's been happening a lot

was dealt with pretty fast though

[cedar dock]

What’s stopping the bud from being the one rebirthing btw? Genuine question, just cause it seems like the creature that’s eaten/subsumed is the one that gets wood-ified (otherwise that would imply GMS and Hornet is getting rebirthed)

[vestal swan]

Well the bud hasn't died

Greyroot is killing herself with the poison you collected for her and moving to the new body presumably

[lone folio]

yes

[hushed viper]

this reminds me why is the bud in bilewater of all places

[cedar dock]

Hmm… does the same apply to GMS/Hornet? I guess the bud is strong enough to kill now (like it did the jailers)

[lilac hedge]

@hushed viper told yo ass

[vestal swan]

It was actually looking at the greyroot wiki page, I had a serious brain fart and couldn't find the third set of dialogue mobile moment

[lilac hedge]

so i guess the parkour could be called border caves i guess

[hushed viper]

both of you guys are in on it so i'm not suprised

[foggy fractal]

did you find the dialogue you needed

[unique canopy]

Should be noted the poison is the waste from the pollip rite, not necessarily the main product

[vestal swan]

What do you mean apply to hornet and GMS? Seems pretty clear they die

[lilac hedge]

bro just turned to ragebait

[lone folio]

this has got to be ragebait

[hushed viper]

you JUST realised this NOW?

[foggy fractal]

ok what dialogue do you need

[lilac hedge]

oh yes i lost argument and i do not wanna look bad so im gonna call it ragebait ahh

[hushed viper]

🥀

[cedar dock]

Just not clear to how they die, like were they sapped magically or were their necks snapped and then the dead bodies were sapped/woodified

[lone folio]

well that was very unproductive

[cedar dock]

Like, they didn’t look limp when they were woodified

[vestal swan]

I mean I only see three uses for the weird polip:

• she's killing her original body and moving to the other one
• Using it to poison and weaken hornet
• it's actually just an ingredient for a spell

[vestal swan]

Well the place where hornet wakes up initially looks pretty much the same so I would say they were sapped of all of their energy

[cedar dock]

I could see it being a corrosive to crack her open like a lobster

[valid coral]

I'd say feeding the bud or preparing something to empower it a bit before infecting hornet with it could also be a possibility

[hushed viper]

Do you think we're getting a greyroot dlc at some point?

[vestal swan]

Using acid to get through her shell

[lone folio]

nah

[hushed viper]

Which one do you think is gonna happen first, Liveblood DLC or Greyroot DLC

[valid coral]

Not the most painful thing she's gone through in this game

[silk dirge]

lifeblood

greyroot dlc im not certain about

lifeblood im 100% about

bc of the lifeblood spire being in an august 2025 map of silksong

[cedar dock]

Also @vestal swan, tell me I’m not silly crazy with my HK canon endings interpretation 🙏

[heavy gyro]

Greyroot dlc would be tedious to get to if you already got rid of the parasite

[hushed viper]

Anyway time to go nw bi bi chat but before i go i shall now tell you a secret fact

[foggy fractal]

I doubt they're gonna follow up the greyroot stuff
given that there is already a conclusion to it (ending off with witch crest or ending)

[valid coral]

I also don't really see where they could go with it

It already concludes naturally in game

[foggy fractal]

that too, unless they explore other aspects to it seperate from the questline

[hushed viper]

Fun Silksong Fact: It's confirmed in one of the bonescrolls found in Bilewater that all of the stinky, dumb, and outright repulsive stiltskins all love the Wanderer's Crest

[vestal swan]

I have not watched it if that is a video you are referring to

I think I heard somebody say you were trying to rationalize all of them and I did the same thing the other day so we might be on the same page

[heavy gyro]

Alternate act 3 where you play as greyroot

[vestal swan]

As like devil advocate trying to find the most realistic solution to any ending existing

[valid coral]

I'm still betting on at least one of the dlc being related to the city of steel in some way

[unique canopy]

I'm assuming DLC also needs to either add to the existing game or continue off the end of it, which means if it's the latter they can't rely on the player having the Witch crest since it's possible to beat act 3 without even encoutnering the baby

[valid coral]

Hollow Knight: Rootborn

[vestal swan]

Cursed timeline

[valid coral]

I still don't particularly like the idea that after everything that went into the black egg and it's seal it gets broken by a singular silkfly or something

[vestal swan]

I mean, it's not that different from TK using a magical crowbar to fuck over all of the seals in the original game

[foggy fractal]

existing as in leads into silksong or existing as they can just be possible ?

[tidal marsh]

were the clover dancers related? Was it like an incest thing?

[vestal swan]

Well rationalizing some way that connects the timelines, like if TK showed up with their body and their eyes flashed orange, that would easily be sealed siblings or thk. Realistically if the time hasn't been a great amount between games their eyes wouldn't be orange yet for example

[valid coral]

The magical crowbar let TK beat the crap out of the seals there's a difference

[valid coral]

They simply looked like each other

[foggy fractal]

“Two children born entwined, apart,
Two children marked to rule,
They danced, they sang, proved blades beyond,
But none forgot their birth,
For lovers born on beat exact shall be forever cursed.”

[vestal swan]

Also since everybody wants to argue about both forms showing up at the end and not just accepting that embrace the void is the ending that follows into silksong, it's mostly a hypothetical argument that ignores those things showing up at the end since to some people they don't mean anything

[valid coral]

You could consider that for Weaver queen, The Hollow Knight or Sealed Siblings is canon. But for SotV, either Dream no more or Embrace the void is canon

The delicate flower I have no idea where to slot into this

[midnight reef]

eh, I still personally hold that DNM is the true ending, due to the Knight mostly showing in their form from the end of DNM

[vestal swan]

I wasn't even thinking about it leading to silk songs bad endings that is a much better train of thought

I need to stop arguing lore at 2:00 a.m.

[vestal swan]

Into the trash

[toxic mulch]

Embrace the void makes the most sense with the flower unless they wanna just hand wave someone told her about it at some point

[vestal swan]

That form is just slightly bigger shade, the focus form can't exist without the godhome scenario

[valid coral]

Stupid flower doesn't even get me out of the void completely >:(

[vestal swan]

The memory where she gets it is the white lady telling her about it?

She basically remembered an old conversation except the memory changed and white lady handed it to her

[toxic mulch]

White lady was talking to our current hornet somehow

[midnight reef]

it makes some sense that they kept an everbloom considering that the Pale King seemed very into screwing with the Void

[vestal swan]

Ehhhhhh

[midnight reef]

how did they get it beyond maybe Ze'mer? IDK

[vestal swan]

Also that's a younger white lady in the palace I think?, it didn't happen after the events of the first game

[valid coral]

It's partly from CCs ending video where he says that since hornet saw the Knight resign to their "destiny" so did she or seeing the knight rebel against it gives her hope

[toxic mulch]

Ze'mer seemed to have a near infinite supply

[vestal swan]

The flower itself creates an infinite supply once you plant it apparently

[valid coral]

When in doubt dream realm bullshit

[valid coral]

She's the one who brought the flower initially

[vestal swan]

But yes white lady by all logic got it from Zemer, she just refused it from TK to be nice and not say oh I already have one

[midnight reef]

yeah

[valid coral]

Or she simply doesn't have it anymore

[vestal swan]

Huh?

[valid coral]

Also it's not like TK could tell her they needed a flower to put on a grave

[vestal swan]

If she got one and planted it she would have multiple, she gave one to hornet in the past if this memory actually connected two different periods of time, which I don't think it did. She would still have the flowers when TK offered one

[foggy fractal]

iirc it was like a month ago that this same conversation went down and someone said that its not like void given focus was more unique than void given form, they both only happen in one ending and its not like we see void given focus appear as void given form

but theoretically given tk's control over the void they can appear as whatever they wish right ?

[midnight reef]

doesnt it exist though? IDK trying to sort out what exactly the Shade Lord is and how its summoned is really fucking annoying in my brain

[toxic mulch]

I wonder,was traitors child killed before the traitor tribe took in the infection?

[valid coral]

Shade lord is "Void given Focus" and through the attunement of the Godseeker the knight transforms into it

[midnight reef]

because that one statue you get the Shade Cloak from after getting the Void Heart refers to the Knight as the Lord of Shades

without the ritual in godhome

[valid coral]

Those are different beings I believe

Or forms

One is "Void given form". While the other is "Void given Focus"

[toxic mulch]

Wasn't "void given will" very minorly in the game?

[vestal swan]

@midnight reef the dream no more shade being slightly bigger I don't see as much of a difference from all the times TK flexed their shade for spells and upgrades, after learning these things their shade got slightly bigger? For void heart to only give the entire shade a tiny size bump is weird.
But for the focus Kaiju body, that was the product of a huge ritual and focus enough to bring a god back to their prime, I don't see how this form could exist without a similar ritual or another source of power to fuse TK into a new shape, a new shape that had to leave through Godseekers head because they can't simply change shape or teleport back to the lake like people assume they can

[midnight reef]

Team Cherry and their damn poorly explained lore

[valid coral]

It was mentioned in the void heart that it puts the void under the control of the bearers will I believe

[foggy fractal]

the knight also has those tendrils from the back

in void given form that is

[toxic mulch]

I know about that but I swear the godhome thing said "void given will" or something for like a few days before tc changed it

[vestal swan]

If that was the thing it was cut content or never implemented, but it does sound familiar

[valid coral]

It could be that the void given Focus form is the form that the shades take combined

[toxic mulch]

It means nothing now but it's an interesting thought

[vestal swan]

Focus does not have the shades in it focuses the lake plus TK, we don't see any other eyes in the liquid that joins with them the siblings are still flying in the background

Or they were until that moment

[valid coral]

Fair enough

[solar oriole]

Hello. Has anyone noticed any other place with this same weird mask design? I was trying to think if it means anything.

[midnight reef]

we do only see the shadelord for a split second, so it could just be an illusion that the Vessels are apearing to Hornet as the indiviual vessels

[vestal swan]

Just a giant ancient corpses, it's weird that there's a few that look almost identical though

[midnight reef]

too much thinking though, I dont like it
really like the ending though, I thought it was really sweet

[toxic mulch]

I'd assume the knight can control its forms but it's true form was flashed to hornet for a moment

[midnight reef]

and Sister of the Void is such a good piece of music

[vestal swan]

Being able to go down into a smaller form is more reasonable than achieving one that was created by a magic ritual, but at the same time we see TK not be able to shrink down and try to leave godseeker's head with their giant body

[midnight reef]

yeah

[foggy fractal]

if they can't change shape though then how void given form in sotv if etv

[midnight reef]

this is all extremly intentional on Team Cherry's part, fucking hell

[vestal swan]

Maybe this means it was flower ending

Flower dispersed the form

[midnight reef]

they didnt want to confirm any of the "good" endings

[foggy fractal]

theres also a bunch of em stacked together in that small lava escape sequece iirc

[midnight reef]

that I dont mind

[vestal swan]

ETVF is the canon ending now

[valid coral]

"Fuck you the knight died in greenpath and this is just hornets fever dream"

[foggy fractal]

this is my classic argument that I always bring up this will be with me for years 💔

[heavy gyro]

It was void given mind

[toxic mulch]

Ah

[midnight reef]

my understanding of the lore still holds that the Shade Lord did exist for DNM, though it was unable to manifest without the power of the Godseekers Ritual
Which would possibly mean that it could show as a "true" form to Hornet when still existing as the Knight and other Vessels

[toxic mulch]

It seems the only part pk got right with vessels was no voice

[midnight reef]

just not for long

[vestal swan]

Well it's kind of just like their normal body but slightly bigger? That's within the realm of reasonable changes they can make to themself imo

[valid coral]

They didn't want to scare her shitless aw

[foggy fractal]

well then I will bring up the that's just an assumption card

[vestal swan]

My favorite version of events, they both die in steelsoul and the kingdoms are doomed

[valid coral]

The skill issue ending

[toxic mulch]

Knight dies to a crawlid and hallownest is doomed,hornet then gets taken to pharloom and dies to a moss grub,pharloom is doomed

[midnight reef]

No, more that the Shade Lord couldnt fully manifest, not any action/inaction on the part of it

[vestal swan]

What are those roly poly guys called

[valid coral]

She kept trying to pet the moss grub

[foggy fractal]

which ones ?

[valid coral]

In HK or SK?

[vestal swan]

The tiny Daves

[foggy fractal]

Mawling

[valid coral]

Baldurs in HK can't remember the SK equivalent

[toxic mulch]

Dave Jrs clearly

[vestal swan]

Yeah that

What a weird name

They're not known for a giant disproportionate mouth nor is Dave

[valid coral]

Where the fuck is their maw??

[vestal swan]

That's what I'm saying

[toxic mulch]

They don't seem related to the maw enemies from hk whatsoever

They have a distinct lack of any mouth whatsoever

[valid coral]

Actually crack theory right now, hornet was in greenpath because she wanted to pet the mossborn

[midnight reef]

so in the case of DNM the Shade Lord would exist, but without the ritual wouldn't be able to fully manifest, hence it just showing as a flash

[toxic mulch]

Hornet wanted to hug massive moss charger

[midnight reef]

I know im just doing a ton of rationalization just to solve a non-issue, but I dont like ETV but I like DNM ;3

[toxic mulch]

Tho tbh are the mosskin even soft? I don't attribute leaves to being soft

[vestal swan]

Okay but that would mean hornet is having a flash of an alternate past? That doesn't really make sense

[midnight reef]

no, not a flash of an alternative past

the shade lord exists regardless

[vestal swan]

Moss is soft, the stuff that hangs from trees is kind of soft too but kind of scratchy

[vestal swan]

It doesn't though? I mean technically that is TK's title but I know you're referring to the big form

[toxic mulch]

I suppose they just seem more leaves and twigs in my mind than moss

[lilac hedge]

Massive moss grub without spikes is the perfect being

[toxic mulch]

Hornet agrees

[midnight reef]

I see no reason to seperate the title from the being

[toxic mulch]

I hope we get more on vespa in dlc,she barely showed up in red memory

[valid coral]

I feel like the bush related ones aren't but the mosskin like mossy vagabonds are fluffy as fuck

[vestal swan]

Because the form is the unique thing, it is the product of a ritual that exists under specific circumstances

[midnight reef]

Vespa has full sprite sheets for a boss fight

[vestal swan]

It is a massive power boost and a new body that they cannot simply change out of

[valid coral]

Still sad that the hive is just gone

[lilac hedge]

Atleast you see a honorable mention in your needle upgrade

[midnight reef]

so, possibly still in the files for a DLC, like the Hive Knight was in Hollow Knight iirc

[valid coral]

Crazy to think that red memory initially just had a bossfight in it

[vestal swan]

They should have kept it TBH

[valid coral]

But also wouldn't that mean you have to redo the entire game just to fight Vespa?

[vestal swan]

It would have been enjoyable a little bit

[lilac hedge]

Who were you gonna fight?

[vestal swan]

You have to redo the whole game to fight anybody that doesn't have a duplicate boss

Besides the final boss

[valid coral]

They keep it but you have no movement

[midnight reef]

Nah, I'd just have done a small boss fight as Hornet training, if you die it just resets you to before the fight

[vestal swan]

It doesn't even need to reset you losing a fight to your trainer could make sense

[midnight reef]

true

[vestal swan]

Just a slightly different dialogue result or something

[valid coral]

Or some flavor text about hornet needs to less sloppy next time

[foggy fractal]

why isn't void given form then unique to dnm ?
you say yourself that they can't change out of the void given focus form if its etv, and the explanation you come up for why it appears as void given form in sotv is also an assumption
that's why people say that both could be canon because we have to make an assumption for one or the other to be the canon ending

[midnight reef]

yeah

[vestal swan]

Well there has to be an assumption for both sides, one side doesn't require ignoring that a specific ritual has happen to create the new form

This is one of those razors or something

[lilac hedge]

Wait why is vespa so huge in hk but kinda small when you see her in red memory or was she just young there

[midnight reef]

age

[vestal swan]

Queen's of hives and nests apparently just keep growing

[midnight reef]

yeah lol

[vestal swan]

Carmelita just got gigantic too for seemingly no reason

[lilac hedge]

And i guess silk beings just get grey

[solar tapir]

I like to think that flash of shade lord is a mystery of the void which do not need an answer

If u dnm of course

[toxic mulch]

Yeah,she was probably cut from being a boss in red memory which does make sense but I hope they reuse it in a dlc

[foggy fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddJLMQUHp6Q there's also this video showing what some of the animations would've looked like

also some audio

[vestal swan]

As far as we know

[foggy fractal]

🪒 hi

[sinful nimbus]

Why is she conducting bees

Vepsa is from pharloom??!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!

[foggy fractal]

doesn't hive knight also shout and summon bees

[valid coral]

Vespa is secretly conductor Romino

[vestal swan]

Silk song and DANCE

[sinful nimbus]

Not with a conducting animation though

[vestal swan]

He pukes them up

And then they just fly back down in a pattern

[valid coral]

The Trobbio way

[vestal swan]

TRUE

[foggy fractal]

tc probably just wanted a more graceful way of doing it

for vespa that is

[vestal swan]

Also, I think that would be hilarious ship, Hornet dates Trobbio just to steal his tool designs

[foggy fractal]

just for the bombs 😭

oh that would be a good mod idea actually

[vestal swan]

His bombs are pretty cool

[foggy fractal]

I forgot he puked them up wtf 😭

I forgot how big vespa is, she actually rivals some of those ancient bug corpses

[lilac hedge]

Yeah like karmelita they got old and big as they age ig

[vestal swan]

She might be able to outbox 4th chorus

If we assume that's really far in the background she's even bigger than Carmelita by almost twice as much it seems

[foggy fractal]

yeah that does seem a bit far into the distance

my wild hope for a dlc is more ancient civ stuff and more big bug corpses cuz those are cool and aura and hype !!!

[vestal swan]

Hornet walks over a trap and it opens up a basement in an ancient civilization building and a whole bunch of them just crawl out of the basement because they have a secret bunker

[foggy fractal]

I wonder if we'll ever get to see an alive ancient bug

does bardoon count ?

[lilac hedge]

The shadow creepers fr

[foggy fractal]

reminds me of this sketch

[rugged storm]

Does unn count

[foggy fractal]

I should've specified like an ancient civ member

[rugged storm]

Oh

[foggy fractal]

or just a really old and big bug

[vestal swan]

He has knowledge about wyrms that doesn't necessarily make him ancient

[lilac hedge]

Mask maker is ancient maybe

Or herald

[rugged storm]

Herald isn’t big

[lilac hedge]

Is that a requirement to be ancient

[vestal swan]

It's hard to say what counts as properly ancient, the ancient civ was controlling the region before some of these higher being showed up

[rugged storm]

He specified big bug

[vestal swan]

They were just describing Bardoon

[rugged storm]

The herald is ancient

[lilac hedge]

Could you say the white lady is kinda ancient

Shes big too

[foggy fractal]

does ancient civ predate pk and radiance ?

[smoky girder]

can i beat ||last judge with this build||

[vestal swan]

It predates PK, and I think Unn, and probably white lady just by lumping them together.

[foggy fractal]

wrong channel but also sure why not

[vestal swan]

Not necessarily in age but definitely in control of the region

[lilac hedge]

Idk man but this is the lore channel

[smoky girder]

oh mb

[vestal swan]

Huh?

[foggy fractal]

wrong reply

probably

[vestal swan]

[foggy fractal]

seems so

if we ever get a bossfight with something that big I would be stoked

[vestal swan]

Bell eater:

[foggy fractal]

yeah I was wondering if bell eater was longer than bardoon

it was a pretty awesome fight

[lilac hedge]

Probably yeah

I mean he needs to wrap around the bells because it doesnt fit on the screen

[rugged storm]

he's above and below cause of the arena barriers

[lilac hedge]

Id say hes about the walkback to cogwork dancers boss fight from the first shrine bench big

[dawn sluice]

its like a magician
when they pull cards out of their mouth

[vestal swan]

At least as long as Bardoon if not longer i think

[dawn sluice]

i wonder whatll happen with bell eater if we ever get a godhome style refight

since bell beast wont be there

[vestal swan]

A giant bell falls on their head

Or we have to suffer through phase three

[lilac hedge]

Monomom type of fight case

[foggy fractal]

probably a proper new phase that we fight through

or yeah like a new mechanic

[dawn sluice]

do you mean uumuu

actually thats stupid

[lilac hedge]

Whatever the big jellyfish name is

[dawn sluice]

we all know what you mean

[vestal swan]

[dawn sluice]

im doing a backflip off the empire state building

[rugged storm]

Leo the threefold melodies should upgrade needolin independently

Leo

[dawn sluice]

what

[rugged storm]

Lwk

[lilac hedge]

I think theres a tool for that

Which already does it

[vestal swan]

Leoleoleoleo? JoJo's reference

[rugged storm]

No one’s using spider strings

[dawn sluice]

yeah its one of the most useless tools in the game

along with snare setter (when used in a crest)

[vestal swan]

Can you get to that thing without super jump

I'm stupid actually ignore me

[lilac hedge]

Hello stupid actually ignore me

[dawn sluice]

im firejumper

[lone folio]

I was hoping that it would be important in trobbios quest

Nope

[lament gate]

i think it helps in the mist but i have no proof

[unique canopy]

Isn't snare setter one of the highest damaging tools?

[dawn sluice]

yeah but setting it up sucks

[dawn sluice]

you also have no moss

[lament gate]

i dont even know how the snare setter red tool works tbh

[dawn sluice]

you set snares

[edgy nebula]

hold the bind to set a snare that does a boatload of burst damage

[smoky girder]

what hollow knight ending is cannon to that ending where knight shade saves hornet

[edgy nebula]

Takes time to set up, useless against super fast bosses (e.g, enraged conchfly)

i liked it as a tool tho, fun to use

[lament gate]

oohhhh i thought like you hit it once to set it up

[edgy nebula]

basically serves as a weaker delver’s drill if you try to hit bosses with the setup movr

iirc

[foggy fractal]

dnm or etv

[brazen pier]

what are your guys opinion on zote and shellwood and life ender?

[twin dragon]

Zote is grand mother silk's hunsband and his sword is carved from nyleth's soul

[foggy fractal]

none because we don't have enough info to make any theories

[twin dragon]

Also zote built the citadel by hand

and pushed a boulder up to the cradle 5900043 times in the span of 6 years

[brazen pier]

that's what I like to hear

[twin dragon]

and he never trusted his mother.

Which is, of course, the white lady

as we all know, zote is a vessel

A non hollow vessel of straight fire writing

[brazen pier]

HK lore fans managed to tell me how Zote smells I will come back when we have DLCs and I hope not to be dissapointed

[twin dragon]

He also bombed verdania just because he hated green

He made a deal with khann so zote could train his entire kingdom

in exchange of the crustnut

Zote also murdered the pale king, by reminding him of the fraud that he was and killing him with shame

He's also the first user of the dream nail, after exchanging the crustnut for the teachings of the dream hand technique created by the ancient moth monks in lands serene

[valid minnow]

hi

[edgy nebula]

https://youtu.be/MXbAji31DtE this video's either gonna be garbage or very good

[slim tree]

Does lost kin seriously not talk to you?? Am i going crazu

[edgy nebula]

finished the karak segment, quite nice

[vestal swan]

Crazy

[slim tree]

I swear after u beat lost kin it talks to u

[edgy nebula]

most lore discussers are

[vestal swan]

LK has no dialogue

[slim tree]

WHAT

[edgy nebula]

only gripe is that he brought up the grey memnto at the end but never mentioned the text

[opaque pier]

Yeah so he basically just says

[vestal swan]

" "

[craggy smelt]

sorry, you're just crazy

they just give like a nod of acknowledgement

or "..." via dream nail dialogue

[edgy nebula]

absolute bars

[wise sand]

no

none of the vessels ever talk

[visual glacier]

The vessels don’t have mouths

[abstract rivet]

There’s a cool detail in Silksong. The dies irea melody which you hear at silksong menu theme and bell shrine rings is from a gregorian chant from the 13th century. The text is very religious and talks about themes on Death and Judgement, this melody is also known in star wars

[visual glacier]

It’s in like half the things in the game

[abstract rivet]

yup

these are all the examples that first came to my mind

its also in the theme where you rest at benches

[edgy nebula]

watched the whole video, seems solid

[wise sand]

what do yall think about the mossbag vid?

[timber pond]

Its fine lol

Bros gonna make a correction video, probably just for that one part about white lady.

That one abyss theroy about weavers is whack thoguh

[visual glacier]

It’s alright

Very surface level and a few wrong details

[timber pond]

But to be fair, even im struggling to come up with something that makes sense for weaversong lol

[wise sand]

yeah

[timber pond]

Unless weaversong is kind of "Lying" to us metatextualy. And now its meaning is "the weavers got captured lol"

[wise sand]

i dont thinks theres much else he couldve said that wouldnt be mostly speculation tbh

[visual glacier]

He called the green princes twins

[wise sand]

he calls them lovers later on in the video, he was probably just saying that theyre identical not that theyre literally twins

[timber pond]

To be fair, you CAN kind of come to that conclusion based on the secret lore tablet in verdaina and the fact that they both have a "Conjoined Heart"

[visual glacier]

Still a mistake

[visual glacier]

Pure speculation lol

[wise sand]

not really

[foggy fractal]

doesn't the lore tablet specify they were born apart though

[timber pond]

Conjoined hearts are typically a trait of twins idk 🤷

[limpid creek]

So is Karmalita the only heartbearer (besides green prince) that's actually alive when we take their hearts or are the others alive in some way?

[timber pond]

Kahnn might be alive acording to watcher on the edge.

They just need a lot of water lol

They in Terracota army stasis

[visual glacier]

“Two children born entwined, apart,
Two children marked to rule,
They danced, they sang, proved blades beyond,
But none forgot their birth,
For lovers born on beat exact shall be forever cursed.”

[vestal swan]

All of them can be alive actually

Nyleth it's just in the basement

[wise sand]

the karak people turn to dust when they die, so he couldve still been alive

[timber pond]

Not saying its like true or anything, just saying its not hard to reach a conclusion like that. Mainly because we don't know how the bugs reproduce in the first place besides having alot of eggs around communaly.

[vestal swan]

Cabbage patch babies

[timber pond]

I thought nyleth became shellwood lol

[vestal swan]

But still "apart"

[visual glacier]

Also twins aren’t born on the same beat

[vestal swan]

She did not "become" shellwood

She spawned it and controlled it

[timber pond]

Yeah but in that sense she might be Egodead like right now when you fight her

[visual glacier]

That interpretation comes from her being called seed

[vestal swan]

Egodead??

[timber pond]

They can be in some cases. But ,look, idk its not that important

[visual glacier]

It kinda is

[timber pond]

They vain mourners anyway lol

[smoky girder]

which ending is more canon for sliksong embrace th void or dream no more??

[vestal swan]

ETVF unfortunately

[visual glacier]

EtV probably

[visual glacier]

Do we know that?

[timber pond]

Like egodeath. Aka what happens to Eva and other Thinfs hornet can absorb if they are still alive.

[vestal swan]

Ahh

[smoky girder]

idk i want sequel or prequel for pure vessel

[vestal swan]

I don't think that happened to her, it's not suggested anyway. She can't really be in control if she's not there

[visual glacier]

THK is alive in ETV

[smoky girder]

thats why im saying sequel

[vestal swan]

We've been talking about it a lot it's the one that makes sense for me, I would normally just say ETV but to explain why TK does not have their giant form but it is still recognized as the giant form we are going to just guess that's what the flower did to them

[visual glacier]

We don’t know for sure

Need more flower/shade lord lore

[timber pond]

It kind of seems like she isn't in control of shellwood right now anyway so I just thing her nerves and "Being" have become shellwood, lessening what she herself was in the memory.

[limpid creek]

That makes sense

[vestal swan]

No it's not concrete but it makes more sense this way, there's not really a way to explain the Kaiju form showing up without embrace the void

[visual glacier]

She’s sleeping

“Other, other, sleeping deep...”

[inland hornet]

If the average weaver was even 10% as strong as First Sinner why didnt they 30v1 Grand Mother Silk instead of this elaborate plan

[fierce oar]

Anyone have theories on:

• Why the delicate flower/everbloom isn't delicate in Silksong (aside from gameplay reasons)
• Why the delicate flower/everbloom doesn't repel void in the Abyss in Hollow Knight (aside from gameplay reasons + the fact they may have only decided what it'd do in the Godhome update)

For the first one I thought maybe it could be connected to the fact the Knight is void? Second one I'm not sure

[wise sand]

she was stronger probably + the only way to kill her is to send her to the void or bind her(the cycle continues)

[timber pond]

Pale beings cannot normally die it seems Bardoon backs this up in Hollow Knight stating that its really hard for them to die and at most, they transform

[sinful nimbus]

The everbloom is described as "fragile" by its item description in Silksong

There's not really a lore reason because that's not in the lore

[fierce oar]

True, that makes sense

[sinful nimbus]

Crazy how lore accurate Hornet doesn't get hit in Lost Lace

[timber pond]

Might have to do with the knight not really having a need to repel it anyway. But tbh, just a game thing probably. Most pepole aren't gonna be taking an everbloom into the abyss ever anywho.

[timber pond]

Hornet might just be able to like, stow it better than the knight or something lol.

It would be really funny if thats the reason it breaks in hollow knight. The knight is just Clumsy.

[unique canopy]

The everbloom was created out of Hornet's own silk from her memory, so it doesn't have the exact properties as a physical delicate flower, just enough to repel the void long enough to reach and defeat Lace.

Hornet: In the distant past, I knew the flower. My thread still holds its faint memory. If the Everbloom was grasped strongly enough within my Silk, it could be made to manifest.

[visual glacier]

The memory was made of silk

[timber pond]

If you think about it ,Now that Grandmother silk is dead and there are no weavers left. No other kingdoms are gonna get Magic Runes to do thier shit no more😂 .

Hornet has a monopoly.

[visual glacier]

There’s still a shit ton of silk in hallownest

And pharloom

[timber pond]

Well yeah but not infinite.

Also that means other kingdoms are going to invade pharloom💀

And all the fighters we ever see there are either A travelers or B fucking dead

[visual glacier]

Hornet can definitely start a business

[timber pond]

Hornet isn't atying in pharloom though is my point lol

Sherma,Pavo, and flick the fixer are the new default leaders of pharloom💀

None of them fuckers can throw hands with anything bigger than a mossgrub

[visual glacier]

Lace is second in line for the throne

[timber pond]

She has to stay with hornet though to sustain reliably

Im also taking the title screen "surface" after you beat sister of the void quite litteraly. It seems they both leave pharloom soon after

[fierce oar]

it could be made to manifest
I thought this meant that it was grasped within her memory, which was able to make the actual thing manifest

[dawn sluice]

i dont think that would go well for them due to the whole void infested thing

[timber pond]

That stops after the ending

The black threads are no longer anywhere, they all disintegrate

There is no Reason For the Steel City NOT to Seize all of pharlooms assets and pepole if they wanted. (Might not but still)

[dawn sluice]

oh i forgot about that

[rugged sigil]

how would they find pharloom? the people from pharloom could only find the steel city by tracking the weavers

[timber pond]

They have a steel heart built for observation, right on the blasted steps?

[rugged sigil]

like the world is mostly nothing with just random pockets of civilisation

[rugged sigil]

?

[timber pond]

Its the inly large deposit of silk left which is now limmited

[rugged sigil]

like in steel soul mode?

[timber pond]

Steel Seer Zi? The Steel soul mode npc

She is an observation unit for the masters as she states herself

[rugged sigil]

yeah mb i forgot abt that

[rugged sigil]

pinstresses become body guards

second sentinel too

[dawn sluice]

i dont think they can even throw hands WITH a mossgrub

[timber pond]

True actually.

[wise sand]

the steel people seem to mostly be interested in observing

[timber pond]

Yes, to enforce something it seems when it is needed

[silk dirge]

could sherma even take down a skrill(the passive surface enemies)

[timber pond]

No lol

I would pay to see pinstress teach sherma how to fight tho

[silk dirge]

shakra probably could

[rugged sigil]

the og plan for ss had them sending assassins though (i know cut content isnt canon but still)

[wise sand]

oh true

hes gonna get added later since hes a backer character i think

[rugged sigil]

probably

[rugged storm]

I wish there was a hunter entry for those moss cocoons, but they’re probably coded to be like the silk on those plants

[edgy nebula]

the backer had no idea he was cut tbf

[lean temple]

The Masters are said to have a “long gaze” that likely allows them to observe things across vast distances.

And Hornet implies they did the same with Hallownest
“From your presence, it is clear this land too has caught the long gaze of your Masters.”

[tawdry flare]

wait fr

[sinful nimbus]

That's what his girlfriend said on reddit... How we know this is his girlfriend uhhhhhhhhh

[foggy fractal]

think people went through the trouble to look at some old facebook posts or something that confirms it

either way we'll just have to wait for tc to speak on the matter or release something

[timber pond]

it was also account itself i beleive. People found Thier only post about videogames ever was silksong related. Everything else was about her wedding or something.

[limpid summit]

Team Cherry pretending to be their backer’s girlfriend to build hype

[edgy nebula]

https://youtu.be/MXbAji31DtE im a fan of this video lowkey

doesnt mention nyleth like, at all, but he explains the kingdoms well

[fresh badger]

Nyleth had no kingdom

[robust wagon]

What throne bro the citadel is dead

[sinful nimbus]

Not like there's much to explain about Nyleth anyway

[vestal swan]

Nyleth the goat

[edgy nebula]

this is fair honestly yeah

[spark valve]

isma relative
uuuh

[fresh badger]

Nyleth is a bum

[edgy nebula]

who do we think has made the worst lore videos/theories on sk so far

[sinful nimbus]

Not el chiefo

[vestal swan]

Ur a bum

I've only watched like two lore videos so far, and I accidentally agreed with one I didn't watch

[sinful nimbus]

Worst lore video is probably mossbag's because he got weaver timeline wrong and i don't fw that

[narrow horizon]

what the FUCK is going on with cursed stuff and zote and greyroot and shellwood in hallownest

[spark valve]

hooray for misconceptions that will never die

[edgy nebula]

lowkey the worst ive watched is braid_arcade's short on green prince

[fresh badger]

Zote has nothing to do with pharloom

[sinful nimbus]

Zote and Shellwood are unrelated to the curse

[vestal swan]

Bonus is that he called Lace a child so that's a decent blow to the people that can't read

[narrow horizon]

matpat

[narrow horizon]

ik

[fresh badger]

Yknow, greyroot being parasitic actually isnt that surprising when the mechanism for parasitic plants to parasitize their hosts is always the roots

[edgy nebula]

i mean on silksong

[sinful nimbus]

Its possible (and imo likely) Shellwood is a generic term for wood or Zote sourced his nail from shellwood

[narrow horizon]

but everywhere in greenpath are vines that are practically identical to the vines in the chapel of the witch and all the stuff relating to the witch crest and the curse and greyroot

[fresh badger]

Thats...just generic vines 🥀

[narrow horizon]

roots*

[dreamy frost]

||Theory: White lady was a grey root that fed of a god to become a pale being, hence why white lady is a god and the twisted attached itself to gods (Grand Mother Sink and Hornet at the end of Twisted child)||

[fresh badger]

Greenpath looks nothing like greyroot stuff
-somebody who hasnt beaten hornet 1

[lethal burrow]

I don't think so, but you can get pictures

[vestal swan]

Also possible that there's like another Nyleth type creature in another land, possibly the one he's from

[lethal burrow]

I think you're onto something

[spark valve]

I mean yeah his nail isn't from a place called shellwood it's from a material called shellwood

[sinful nimbus]

FYI newbie, this is spoiler territory and you should probably leave until you've beaten the game

[fresh badger]

Oh ty im so sorry I was scared I'd get spoiled on who that baddie was

[vestal swan]

The main character is it the villain

[lethal burrow]

yeah, this place will spoil you to hell and back.

[lethal burrow]

dang, I would never have guessed the hollow knight is the villain :(

[fresh badger]

Ok I'll leave

[vestal swan]

Did he just leave the server for that joke

[stray fog]

🔥

[sinful nimbus]

🗣️

[narrow horizon]

i couldn't find good photos

but trust just go walking around greenpath/queen's gardens

these things are all over the place

[lethal burrow]

I walked around those places literally 30 seconds ago and I can confirm that they don't look similar

[spark valve]

there is no relation to shellwood or greyroot

[narrow horizon]

also zote having his weapon being carved from "shellwood" and no eyes kinda looks like the twisted bud a lil bit

the no eyes twisted bud thing was smth i just noticed i don't think they're connected at all

[vestal swan]

They definitely aren't she's a bug

[dry bridge]

no eyes does not look like twisted bud what are you talking about

[narrow horizon]

i meant the statues* mb

[jade skiff]

There's a theory in Hollow Knight that Zote isn't weak, he's just cursed. Since Zote is from shellwood, theres a very chance that he had the same parasite that Hornet had

just not cured

[foggy fractal]

we don't know where Zote is form

[narrow horizon]

there's a theory that he's from pharloom and is the son of greyroot

[jade skiff]

From the journal entry he said hes from shellwood (right?)

[foggy fractal]

no

[vestal swan]

For zote to have survived greyroot he'd need to start off stronger than hornet

[jade skiff]

What I was refering too

[versed scarab]

whaaaat?? Never heard that before

[lapis creek]

it says his weapon is made out of shellwood

[narrow horizon]

i definitely think he knows of pharloom/has been there but there's not enough evidence to say he is definitely from there

[jade skiff]

OHH, I just I misread his journal entry

[narrow horizon]

hornet survived too

[pseudo raptor]

Shellwood is present commonly in Hallownest as wood beams you break when slashing stuff randomly

[lapis creek]

hornet only survived because she is incredibly strong herself

[narrow horizon]

this has never been said anywhere

all we know is that it's wood