sk-lore

[lethal burrow]

You're talking about butterflies and there's only one in the entire game and it's him

Good question

[spring escarp]

white silk butteflies, smaller thsn tronbio

[lethal burrow]

So non-buttered flies then

[spring escarp]

bind her and grow strongerer

[fringe patio]

absorb her, for she despises the weavers for their treason, but not her woven children like lace and phantom

[spring escarp]

I think she still loves the weavers

The bugs woven in her silk on bellhart

[lusty mica]

Idk but maybe

[edgy barn]

I don't think she has that much appreciation for Phantom tbh.

[spring escarp]

Talk about being enthralled onto a big sadness

[fringe patio]

then why imprison and kill them

[spring escarp]

Cause she has to

But I think she is very sad about it

[lusty mica]

Yeah phantom was alone there🤣

[lethal burrow]

there's only 1 clue I can see as too great to ignore

"Weaver, in eighth part, last of their line, frail with age.
Tracked and taken in Sandsea Waste.
Seven Choristors, nine Envoys lost to task."

"Weaver, in eighth part, last of their line, mortally wounded.
Tracked and taken in the Blackbarrens.
Four Choristors, one Reed lost to task."

"Weaver, in quarter part, last of their line, staked to service.
Tracked and taken beneath the City of Steel.
Eight Choristors, twelve Envoys lost to task."

"Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm. Claim the Weaver, in half part. Last of their line. Sensed strong with Silk.
Resistance anticipated. Quell with rune cage."

all the Weaver-spawn that were brought to pharloom add to a full Weaver.

[whole marsh]

No wait, this is a spider like creature, similar to Pharlids, wears a cloak over its face, and apparently has 2 horn like protrusions on the top of its head. You might be onto something

[fringe patio]

i think she loves them and resents them

[spring escarp]

I see some ressemblance...

[fringe patio]

YOU ARE COOKING MY FRIEND

[spring escarp]

Are drapemites pharlids though? They seem to be more related to the weird bat looking drape things

I don't thinkt hey are arachinids at all

[lethal burrow]

......

[spring escarp]

Exactly

[lethal burrow]

somebody get that trobbio "his writing is fire" image

[fringe patio]

i mean we dont know their genetics so maybe they are sufficently related

[spring escarp]

spiders don't fly...

[lusty mica]

I wanted to ask about that, were those Weavers in the prison hunted and absorbed?

[spring escarp]

And weavers have to weave, have silk.

[lethal burrow]

Some of them do jump really good though

[lethal burrow]

Like widow

[whole marsh]

Their attack is very similar to Pharlids and weavers. I think the only similarity to the drape bat things is that they both use cloth to hid in their environment

[spring escarp]

widoe has the needles in her back

[lethal burrow]

and

[fringe patio]

the drapemites are arachnids

[fringe patio]

since mites are

[spring escarp]

the other drape enemy flies

And this is related to the drapemite

[fringe patio]

they arent mites??

[spring escarp]

But both are tissue themed...

Maybe a red herring?

And the drape bats and drapemites are not related?

[whole marsh]

The similarity is just adaptation to their environment

[fringe patio]

could be convergent evo

[spring escarp]

Plausible.

[lethal burrow]

they wear things over their heads

[spring escarp]

yeah

I give it ah "huh idk maybe wouldn't bet on it" out of 7

[fringe patio]

i do think a giant drapemite fits Herra's physique tho

[edgy barn]

The drapeflies actually don't. They just look like that.

[spring escarp]

mfw when drapemites just skin drapeflies and wear then in their head

[fringe patio]

the mites are just wearing old curtains, just checked the hunter logs

[whole marsh]

The pharlids don’t match the weavers 100% either. But there’s enough similarities that it makes sense (to me at least)

[spring escarp]

The herrah the beast cape seems very unnnatural tho

like, not aprt of her, it even changes color

Meanign she changes it

[rugged storm]

imagine if herrah was a skrill

[fringe patio]

yeah thats why i think drapemites might actually be it

[spring escarp]

I think they match 100% if you put the firsr sinner as a lost link.

[rugged storm]

we can visibly see the transformation

[spring escarp]

tbh none fo the weavers march themselves

they are all different af like some 2000s cartoon

[fringe patio]

we'd need more proof to say herra was a Giant Drapemite but it seems like a plausible start

[spring escarp]

barnum circus

[whole marsh]

Yes I know, but if you compare a Pharlid to a weaver, they only look kinda similar. Same with the drapemite and Herrah.

[fringe patio]

could be cause they are different arachnids lifted by GMS

[spring escarp]

Yes but point is

guessing becomes really difficult

[fringe patio]

theorizing is fun tho

[rugged storm]

what if herrah is somehow more related to gms

[spring escarp]

I think zote is a devolved pharlid

[fringe patio]

zote is devolved.

[spring escarp]

Now make them kiss

[whole marsh]

Yo I was just trying to read chat while I was eating dinner lmao, I wasn’t expecting all this revelation

[spring escarp]

wait they are

[edgy barn]

They all share the same body structure. For the most part what varies are the shoulder and hip spikes.

[fringe patio]

wait yeah...

[rugged storm]

wait what if she stole gms's mask and ran away

[lethal burrow]

The drapings in distant village also change color. I just figure they faded with time because that's how long it's been.

but it does point to that being clothing

[spring escarp]

ye

albeit maybe drapemite sjsut naturally wamt to wear drapes

[edgy barn]

Other than that, First Sinner has the unique head, Widow has wide hips, and them there's Herrah...

[spring escarp]

wait a damn second

why widows has a cape

[whole marsh]

The drape mites also wear drapes, it’s not part of their physiology like drapeflys.

[spring escarp]

Very similar to drapemite too.

[lethal burrow]

when you consider that these things exist the first sinner isn't that weird

[whole marsh]

Cover her exposed skull

Or whatever is under the weavers masks

[spring escarp]

insects dont have skukls

[fringe patio]

So herra's a drapemite lifted, made in a striking image to gms, prolly as a successor and she fled to hallownest and reigned there with incomplete power over her sisters?

[spring escarp]

Mayve her brain is just out there

[edgy barn]

It's not similar. Widow has a fluffy cover. Drapemites just wear old rags.

[whole marsh]

#sk-lore message

[spring escarp]

broke bugs

[fringe patio]

thats mainly cause she masked herself with something other than her mask i think

[spring escarp]

Hm wide hips...

[whole marsh]

For what it’s worth, some bugs in the HK verse do. Their physiology isn’t always 1 to 1 with irl bugs. But I don’t literally mean her skull lol

[spring escarp]

well the mask cna be removed so

I guess they csn just have different layers of exoskeletons.

[edgy barn]

Do not the spider.

[fringe patio]

In regards to Widow: "Her body seemed a Weaver's, but her mask had been forcibly removed, and her own Silk was bound useless by heavy pins lodged through her spine."

[spring escarp]

maybe she is a mite

[fringe patio]

if not hot then why hips wide

[spring escarp]

Hisp so wide theh ahve 4 legs

[fringe patio]

so what do we think, is herra a lifted mite or not

[rugged storm]

I think she was a weaver that gms expanded further to look more like herself, but then somehow gms's mask is now on herrah

[spring escarp]

It depends on what is legal

[spring escarp]

huh wait what

[fringe patio]

do higher beings need masks tho?

[spring escarp]

you think herrah tooks gms mask?

WAIT

this Makes sense??????

They take her hability to focus by tsking the maks out and leave that provocstive blank face

and give it to their new queen

[fringe patio]

wait

[spring escarp]

I mean, the pale king seems to have a mask? Helmet?

Like in the fight combo that gives 4 mask damage, she has 6 eyes right? Like that herrah mask?

[fringe patio]

i always thought that was his "face" since its crowned resembled its wyrm teeth

[spring escarp]

idk maybe?

[fringe patio]

wait yeah...

[edgy barn]

Herrah's mask does not fit GMS's head shape, and she also does not have the eyes.

[spring escarp]

Maybe hb masks are very deeply ingrained and need surgical removal

[spring escarp]

you sure?

About both of these claims

[rugged storm]

okay, imagine the hair is covering the top

[edgy barn]

Yes

[fringe patio]

what if "one giant eye shaped face

[spring escarp]

Ok the eye thing you are right

The shape i disagree

at least on this frame

[covert tusk]

Dude I’m gonna sound so stupid right now but it FINALLY just hit me why the Radiance couldn’t be beaten through conventional means
In Silksong, we don’t see any higher beings in the dream world, Silk is just THERE in the room. That made me think about the other higher beings, and it made me further realize. The ONLY two higher beings (that we fight) that we see in a dream are Grimm and the Radiance. No other higher beings has those powers, or to that extent (white palace dream)
It wasn’t about the Radiance’s actual power, as the Pale King and Silk are probably stronger than her (maybe Grimm), but it’s that she can’t be reached by even most other higher beings, let alone soldiers and stuff

[edgy barn]

Come on you can see the bottom part of her face poking out.

[rugged storm]

herrah's not looking at the camera dead on okay

[spring escarp]

yep

[rugged storm]

she doesn't know about the fourth wall

[spring escarp]

the mask fits perfectly

Like, what other bug in the bugverse doesn't have a face?

[fringe patio]

i do think its plausible for the mask to be a way to focus and by stealing it Weaver's weakend her grip and made her easier to lull to sleep and trap her

[spring escarp]

Not even miss a mask, but not even a face? Isn't that significsnt?

[spring escarp]

that is what i think might make sense yes

[edgy barn]

PK's giant wyrm form? the nightmare heart?

[rugged storm]

guys you know what this means, gms sealed the black egg if this theory is correct, or atleast her face was on there

[fringe patio]

Maybe Herra is called The Beast cause she ripped out her mask....

[rugged storm]

fear

[spring escarp]

that last one ain't a bug and well maybe the gisnt form had a really small fsce

[edgy barn]

the last one isn't a bug but neither is gms.

they are higher beings.

[spring escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/dunk-basketball-shoot-slam-dunk-mars-reel-gif-13196910

imagine this is the lebron multiverse pciture

[fringe patio]

that begs the question: do higher beings need masks?

[spring escarp]

why gms wouldn't be a bug

[rugged storm]

wait what if herrah grew to be like gms cause she stole the mask, not because gms made her like that

[spring escarp]

Maybe she is just a white woman?

Hence she is that big

[spring escarp]

begs*

[fringe patio]

thx

[rugged storm]

in bug form, pk definitely had a mask, and nightmare king grimm is also in bug form, but I don't think their large forms need one, then again radiance had a mask that was visibly and audibly cracked, leaking radiance... stuff... out

[lethal burrow]

I think this is broken by her cloth hood being red

I don't understand that

[fringe patio]

you mean in the memory?

[sinful nimbus]

No

[vestal swan]

Why does everybody keep saying she's a drapemite like that makes sense

[sinful nimbus]

They have heads but they don't wear what we think of as "masks" nor is there generally any need to wear one for regular bugs either

[fringe patio]

cause they share similarities

[vestal swan]

Almost nobody needs a mask, it's for changing who you are

The similarity is fat

[fringe patio]

no

its the drape, the shape of the cloak, their body language

[sinful nimbus]

In HK Herrah was a regular spider so she looked more like devouts than weavers
In SS her species was changed to be a weaver and her appearance was changed to look more like a weaver

IE she was redesigned

The only questionable aspect of her design now is the head

[vestal swan]

Weavers do not have biological cloaks none of that lines up

[fringe patio]

neither do drapemites

[vestal swan]

Reply fail

[fringe patio]

you sure are one stubborn fella

[vestal swan]

I'm pretty sure they aren't putting on the drapes I'm pretty sure that's just their natural disguise

[fringe patio]

look at the hunter logs

[bronze turret]

Both Lurien and Monomon bear the same faded blue cloak. It's most likely an attire to indicate them as the Dreamers, a vestment of sorts

[sinful nimbus]

Drapeflies use mimicry and I'd assume the same is true for Drapemites

[fringe patio]

Yeah, but what makes her body so different to any other weaver

Drapemites share some characteristics so we speculated on that

Plus its fun

[rugged storm]

We also speculated that herrah looks like that cause she stole gms’s mask and wore it

[sinful nimbus]

It isn't

[fringe patio]

True, we just threw random theories to see if we could trace something to her

[fringe patio]

It is tho? Look at sinner, other weavers and then at herrah

[sinful nimbus]

Herrah was redesigned to look more like a weaver in Silksong

Less fat, no segmented body

[fringe patio]

Even then, she has horns...

[sinful nimbus]

Yes the horns are unexplained

Character design elements like that aren't uncommon though

Groal has wings despite being a Stilkin

[vestal swan]

No baby fat game themed on moms and they undo the realism

[vestal swan]

Insert bee movie script

[foggy fractal]

/serious or /j...

[rugged storm]

Wait this ties into my theory, she was more weaver at first and slowly became more like gms

[fringe patio]

Im unsure if some stilkin have wings since the leap/fly for about a second or so

[vestal swan]

That doesn't make any sense

[fringe patio]

Could be!

[foggy fractal]

but why though

[fringe patio]

Dude just stop being contrarian to everything lol

[sinful nimbus]

They are visible at the very least

[vestal swan]

When it makes absolutely no sense I'm going to point it out

This is not the headcanon channel

[sinful nimbus]

Being a contrarian implies Herrah stealing GMS's mask is at all the common consensus

[fringe patio]

It is to speculate about lore, form informed theories supported through cannon

[sinful nimbus]

Why are we even saying GMS wears a mask

[fringe patio]

Im not doing headcannon, but theorizing.

[sinful nimbus]

Lace doesn't wear one

[rugged storm]

Cause she has a black void herrah mask shaped head

[vocal wave]

not sure what the consensus of this is but uh

[fringe patio]

Cause it seems herrah's mask fits, though im unsure if it makes any sense

[vestal swan]

Her face doesn't match the shape of anybody else's

[rugged storm]

I actually think she gave her mask to phantom

[toxic mauve]

Okay I been trying to figure out what hornet's relationship with PK would be and.. there's a lot to this wtf

I think she was actually close with him though. Clearly the family did treat her like she was one of them, I couldn't see the pale king not at least caring for her

But also she was pushed into proving that she was "more weaver than wyrm" from the very start and that would probably create some conflict even in silksong, especially with how much she becomes like her father

[sinful nimbus]

Nah its differently shaped

Its also not void

[foggy fractal]

smh star should've used the images I sent you

this shit has no pixels !!!

[vestal swan]

So blurry

[sinful nimbus]

true...

[fringe patio]

What do you mean when you say "becomes like her father"

[foggy fractal]

yippe !

[rugged storm]

I didn’t mean actual void, just blank space

[toxic mauve]

Oh okay I got so many things that show it but I'm at work and have to do something so one sec

[sinful nimbus]

And the obligatory "Hornet's needle should go through her head actually" 🤓

[sinful nimbus]

I see lol

[fringe patio]

Uncomprehensible horrors of a face

[foggy fractal]

what did TC mean by this...

[fringe patio]

Post it later and tag me, ill check it out

[vestal swan]

It is assumed that the wyrm instincts take over when she absorbs GMS and that's what causes her to usurp the position of puppet god

[rugged storm]

Hmm I think it’s possible she started unraveling without her mask like phantom

[vestal swan]

That's not what happens to phantom?

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't really look like silk

Its rigid and solid

[rugged storm]

The unraveling part

[vestal swan]

The mask did not stop the unraveling?

She wasn't even wearing it when we enter the room

[rugged storm]

I know

[limpid summit]

The mask is just to keep up appearances otherwise she’d look even more patchwork

She holds it up to her face

[rugged storm]

I said she was unraveling

[limpid summit]

She hates herself

[vestal swan]

You said she was unraveling without her mask like that was the reason

[gentle aspen]

same

[vestal swan]

So I'm pointing out how it has nothing to do with each other

[limpid summit]

I’m in the trap

[foggy fractal]

no... jojoker... love yourself... :C

[limpid summit]

Don’t say it!

[sinful nimbus]

Fake image just to mock up what Lace would look like

[vocal wave]

can anyone clear up what Last Judge actually is? and why is it a she?

[vestal swan]

What the hell is that

[rugged storm]

No I said gms is unraveling like phantom due to a lack of mask

[foggy fractal]

found lace

[vestal swan]

And that doesn't make any sense because nobody unravels from a lack of mask?

She's also not missing one

[sinful nimbus]

Actually this was the best pfp I hate somnacanth I'm going back

[limpid summit]

The final judge of the citadel meant to guard the gate
If pilgrims were unworthy she would probably just turn them away and only fight if things got messy
Now she’s haunted and just fights
Why she’s a girl? Idk man why not

[rugged storm]

I mean it makes sense to me

[sinful nimbus]

Does that count as a meme 😔

[vestal swan]

I mean you said it was a fake so it really doesn't go here

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom's frayed form is the gray part not the black part

[vestal swan]

It shouldn't because there's no supporting evidence or anything suggesting it

[sinful nimbus]

"Though grey with age, their frayed form suggested a being strung from Silk"

[rugged storm]

Why are you getting so worked up lol

[vestal swan]

That's me enforcing rules who said I'm worked up lol

[foggy fractal]

though we can discuss why Lace's head seem to look different from gms and phantom
and the answer is we don't know lmao !!!

[rugged storm]

Idk your tone Ig

[vocal wave]

if the last judge was haunted, how does Sherma still get past it?

[sinful nimbus]

We get PISSED at people who don't substantniate their theories buddy... I'm popping a vein rn just thinking about it

[vestal swan]

What I'm feeling right now is 🫃 because I ate too much food and I can't move

[limpid summit]

Secret exit idk maybe he’s not holy

[sinful nimbus]

The Judge's keep judging bugs as they did in life

[limpid summit]

This channel needs a hero!

[sinful nimbus]

Said judgement seems to be completely arbitrary and Sherma probably got through by dumb luck

[vocal wave]

ah, and that judgement doesn’t change despite her being haunted

[foggy fractal]

my condolences

[vestal swan]

Somebody do the golden ratio math on laces head bobbles, maybe it's keeping her stable

[foggy fractal]

🤔

[sinful nimbus]

I mean GMS kinda seems to be attempting to maintain the status quo of the Citadel since it is the greatest and most centralized power of the region that she has control over

[vestal swan]

You know the perfect spiral

[foggy fractal]

yeah this thing right

[vestal swan]

Yeah

[rugged storm]

ok fine, so gms's mask is smooth up until the end, where it looks like it's been pulled and frayed, similar to the top of phantom's head. I suspected that herrah looked like gms compared to other weavers because she took her mask, and without this mask gms's face started falling part a bit, which can happen to silk beings as seen with phantom.

[vocal wave]

so she keeps the last judge sane but makes the bugs in the citadel feral and savage?

[vestal swan]

Last judge is kind of on fire I don't think she's being controlled so much as she was raised for that task

[sinful nimbus]

I mean they're hunting Hornet and her allies

[sinful nimbus]

I do not see your point

[vocal wave]

I suppose that’s fair

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom's head is also rigid and solid

[rugged storm]

she's old and frayed, and I believe that to be a sign of this

she was woven of silk, and it fits in

[sinful nimbus]

But this is not visibly silk

[vestal swan]

Even acknowledging that idea GMS doesn't look frayed it looks like a consistent shape

[sinful nimbus]

And its not consistent with how the rest of her silk unravels

[vestal swan]

It looks like Vegeta's hairline

[rugged storm]

this is not consistant

[radiant smelt]

duuuude.. is that a snail shaman

[vestal swan]

You're looking at it from the side, seems pretty symmetrical from the front

[rugged storm]

do we have a front view?

[sinful nimbus]

No

Its not consistent in its symmetry AFAIK but it does maintain its shape

[vestal swan]

Her basic sprite just shows like the top of her forehead right

[rugged storm]

just the bottom

[vestal swan]

Is this really the only other angle we get

[rugged storm]

However, it does show that the top of her heat is smooth, meaning that part of her head is lying down flat, and is only like that when she's looking up and the silk is going down

[midnight zinc]

We talking about GMS’s hairline rn?

[rugged storm]

no spikes

[blissful harbor]

seems like her hair would be covering it based on the angle of the other

[rugged storm]

this really makes it feel like it's part of the silk unraveling, and it's pulled down by gravity

[foggy fractal]

you guys could also just look at the weaver queen ending again

ok these should be higher quality

[rugged storm]

did they leave

[midnight zinc]

Rage quitting lore discussion lmao

[rugged storm]

they were mad at me for not giving evidence? I gave my evidence above they just didn't backread

[midnight zinc]

I’m still confused what this discussion is about

[rugged storm]

Herrah being a weird weaver

I said it was cause she stole gms's mask, which now caused gms to unravel a bit, and herrah grew to be more like gms

[vocal wave]

that’s definitely a theory

[midnight zinc]

Is that not implied by the new lore? I know it wasn’t in HK

[rugged storm]

it's not implied but it works

[midnight zinc]

Idk about this lol

Cool idea tho

[rugged storm]

it is far fetched I will admit

[midnight zinc]

Actually it is rather odd that she has no face, never thought about that

[foggy fractal]

is this size even consistent

[lapis creek]

no?

[midnight zinc]

Not saying I buy the theory that Herrah stole her mask, but it’s interesting that she’s portrayed as without a mask or face of any kind

[rugged storm]

someone compare the sizes

I think it works out

[limpid summit]

I always thought that was metaphorical, as she doesn’t remember her mothers face

[midnight zinc]

I mean GMS, not Herrah. GMS has no face.

[fringe patio]

Gn guys, chattin with u was fun

[limpid summit]

Oh GMS?

[foggy fractal]

let's use the actual sprites
you'll have to download it and open in a program though

[limpid summit]

I thought that she might be blind

And her silken sight was all she had

[midnight zinc]

It’s especially odd because even a god like the Radiance without a physical body has both a face and a general shape that briefly manifests in the physical world when the knight takes her inside itself, so form is important even for gods, yet she has no face despite being a god.

[limpid summit]

She just naturally has no eyes

[midnight zinc]

I think the only other HB without a face is the Nightmare Heart, but it still takes a vessel that has one

[toxic mauve]

• She enters pharloom, and starts helping people, funding public infrastructure, even if it wasn't out of kindness to start she does eventually grow a sense of obligation and protectiveness for it and then fucks it up severely (like PK) and sends it into chaos

• She loves her gadgets and sawblades, PK was also a big tinkerer as well

• Her whole "only a fool would mess with the void" thing isn't only referring to PK, it's probably referring to herself as well. She messed with the void and pharloom paid the price. I genuinely do think she was willfully ignorant and knew what she was doing with the snail shamans

In fact, the very idea that hornet is taking her instinct to conquer as a wyrm and using it to be a force of good for the kingdom is exactly what PK did. A lot of silksong is very parallel with his journey in hallownest, but where he gave up, hornet persisted. Even though he wasn't present in the red memory section, he's still a huge influence on her life and that's why his leitmotif is playing throughout it. I just couldn't see him not caring about her whatsoever

@fringe patio

[cedar owl]

she looks at hornet during the fight
I think the lack of face is just a design choice

[lethal burrow]

I'll just put all this here for the sake of resources

[foggy fractal]

hello i'm first sinner and I have eight legs 🗣️

[fading arch]

Me pasan los links para las skins

[bronze turret]

I believe it's a stylistic choice to evoke a sense of "something other". In the same fashion that the Xenomorphs are designed without eyes but too human teeth, the abscence of a recognizable face can allude to the abscence of genuine connection.

[midnight zinc]

I think the PK is not present in the Red Memory because TC is saving a flashback scene of her with him for the DLC.

[cedar owl]

originally, Grand Mother Silk had a one-eyed mask btw

[midnight zinc]

Too similar to Lurien probably

[cedar owl]

if you squint your eyes and look away from the screen maybe

[toxic mauve]

That would make sense, I do also think they were probably sorta focusing on the "three queens" thing too

[midnight zinc]

Oh I was looking at the one on the left, I see the other one

[cedar owl]

It seems like they were testing several faces for her btw

even with 2 eyes

[edgy stone]

Herrah resembles silk ever so slightly more than regular weavers

[toxic mauve]

I see what you're saying here...

Widow = Herrah confirmed, she got better and traveled to pharloom

[midnight zinc]

Yeah, the main story focuses more motherhood, but I think the dlc will focus more on her relation to wyrms, her father, and her role as a monarch that she’s thus far rejected

[cedar owl]

But I think that would've looked too human

[edgy stone]

Wonder if she was a special made weaver and was treated specially even in pharloom

[fringe patio]

Yeah

[edgy stone]

Could explain why she out of all the weavers were allowed to marry the king and become the queen of deepnest

[toxic mauve]

Yeye. If PK was in the red memory section it would've been kinda weird given the themes of the rest of it

[fringe patio]

Que necesitas

[edgy stone]

I need team cherry to confirm the weavers killed the king of deepnest

They are fucking assholes they 100% would

[midnight zinc]

It’s funny because her relation to him is mentioned almost as much as her relation to the weavers, yet it’s completely irrelevant to the story of Pharloom. I can’t imagine their relationship won’t be expanded on in the future

[limpid summit]

That would piss me off

Justice for the honored caste

[lethal burrow]

i'm not saying anything so I don't know what you see.

Personally, I'm on birth theory right now, but people can draw their own conclusions. Certainly.

[edgy stone]

Waiter waiter more weavers being evil please

[bronze turret]

Weavers are more nuanced than that, I would think.

[lethal burrow]

They seem more evil than grandmother silk

[toxic mauve]

I saw a lot of "PK wasn't in the red memory he was probably neglectful or she hates him" and that just did not feel right to me so I had to look into it further and... Yeah, I think they had a complicated relationship but he did genuinely care for her

[limpid summit]

Weavers popping random Shellwood travelers into their mouths like candy

[limpid summit]

I don’t think he cared about her but he had no reason to and he didn’t inconvenience her

[cedar owl]

as you wish! it was just discovered that the weavers invented the Whiteward device that siphons bugs souls

[bronze turret]

Much of what they did was under her bidding, as far as I gathered. There's a theme of depravation of faith permeating the story.

[limpid summit]

How she talks about him is really weird

[toxic mauve]

Oh I was just doing a silly crackpot theory because of the picture of widow next to Herrah. I do not actually think Herrah "got better" lmao

[bronze turret]

Wasn't the Lire tablet in Shellwood praying for the travelers' safety, however?

[midnight zinc]

It’s unclear how much of her actions in Hallownest are by the will of the PK and how much is on her own volition, but it’d be rather fascinating for her character if her role as a sentinel was originally at the request of him or the WL, and since she now regrets her role in killing the vessels and essentially spending ages guarding over an already dead kingdom, that would explain her resentment towards her father.

[toxic mauve]

He loved a son that was supposed to be physically incapable of loving him back, I don't see why he wouldn't care for his daughter as well

[limpid summit]

Those were the pilgrims’ prayers the Weaver tablet is completely the opposite

[cedar owl]

So yeah, the Weavers were probably behind the plan of transforming bugs into Silkflies and putting them in robots so they would never stop singing

[toxic mauve]

I mean she does outright say that she understands their position and doesn't hold resentment towards them in the red memories

[vestal swan]

Makes sense, they needed the place to be self-sustaining so they could run away

[limpid summit]

That was a bit different - he cared for a cold, silent simulacrum of a kid that he and his wife that he loved sacrificed in order to save the kingdom
Hornet was a “bargain” as WL says and maybe PK felt amicable towards her but I doubt he paid her much mind she was a Weaver and they would have seen him as overbearing if so

[bronze turret]

There's a passage in the Hunter's Journal that may give us a hint on her motivations, in one of the rats entries. Hornet had a desire to be useful, I believe becoming a sentinel to what she considered to be her home then is a consequence of this desire.

[cedar owl]

also, there's a cut whiteward cutscene showing weavers operating the Silk Siphon device

[vestal swan]

Cut doesn't matter

[cedar owl]

boo

[edgy stone]

Not suprising

[limpid summit]

The floors look similar? Enough but not exactly the same. I think that just shows Weaver architecture was in what became WW

[midnight zinc]

You’re only saying this because there’s no instance of him writing about her in HK, but that’s just because it made more sense for him to write primarily about the void and the vessels. Considering Hornet was very familiar with the White Lady and was dressed as a White Palace attendee, she likely was in the Palace constantly, so her and the king probably interacted semi regularly. Not to say they had a healthy normal father daughter relationship, but I don’t see why he wouldn’t care about her.

[limpid summit]

It’s not as if the floor is connected to the machine like the Shade Trap

[vestal swan]

I mean either they invented the device or whiteward was built on top of a weavenest

I like the first option

[bronze turret]

I thought the Lire Tablets belonged to the Weavers, since they can only be revealed by playing the Needolin, which is a Weaver skill.

[limpid summit]

That’s the lore harps, this was a regular tablet

[midnight zinc]

That makes sense, so it was likely more on her own volition

[midnight zinc]

That had more to do with the vessels, no? Perhaps I’m misremembering the dialogue

[toxic mauve]

She had the white palace dress, was close with the white lady, even has that journal entry saying one of the flower creatures would have fit well in the white palace. She definitely was there quite a lot

[midnight zinc]

Agreed

[bronze turret]

Yep, and corroborates with the ideas expressed in Red Memory, in which all queens wished for Hornet to equip herself to survive in the future, but never to impose upon her a set path.

[rugged storm]

I can't unsee it, I've played too much hk, your pfp looks like a lost purple flower thing that you get in shellwood

[limpid summit]

You’re right about that
WL talks about how Hornet may think them uncaring for the cost of their wish, it’s framed as WL telling her about the Vessel project and the wish for an eternal kingdom

[cedar owl]

And the path she chose was fly genocide and murdering a homosexual

[rugged storm]

actually no it doesn't I'm just tweaking

[edgy stone]

Im suprised hornet doesn't know more non weaver tricks for soul

[limpid summit]

And Hornet corroborates that in the present as an older lady talking about seeing kingdoms rise and fall

[bronze turret]

I see what you mean!

[rugged storm]

dw

[edgy stone]

It seems like the pale king and the white lady had quite a strong control over it and hornet seem to knew both somewhat [iffy on pk]

[lethal burrow]

You say as far as you've gathered, but what have you gathered and where from?

[bronze turret]

SHHHHHHHHH I am blind!

From sleepiness!

[lethal burrow]

It's still interesting

[rugged storm]

I have hw, like lots of hw, anyways let's talk about phantom

[limpid summit]

I don’t know about constantly - you’re right in saying that Hornet’s relationships were mostly unexplored but WL says she feels “some affection” for Hornet it didn’t seem like she was a palace regular

[edgy stone]

Dont know if the weavers use of soul is more impressive theb pk and hks yet

[limpid summit]

I think it’s fun wishful thinking to think PK cared about Hornet but I doubt he saw her as his kid in the same way he did PV

[edgy stone]

The seals seem really strong but hk was able to make actual constructs out of pure soul

[rugged storm]

gms made two creatures out of silk, weavers made none, now look at pk

[lethal burrow]

It looks like a scorpion stinger caught between two gumballs

[rugged storm]

close enough, it's a wood wasp stuck and crytalized in the flowers

[cedar owl]

and guess who made the seals

[bronze turret]

That in the beginning, everything the Weavers did was to enforce GMS' wishes, the desire to conquer and control that, according to Mask Maker, is an inclination common to Higher Beings.

[midnight zinc]

I doubt WL would feel any affection for a child her husband had with a lowly common bug unless she interacted with that child on a semi regular basis

[radiant smelt]

i think PK did care about hornet but he placed his responsibilities to his kingdom above his responsibilities as a parent

[cedar owl]

also, the pale king used silk in his constructs

[toxic mauve]

The weavers imposing some parental alienation probably did not help

[edgy stone]

The main thing for me is the hollow knights spike attack

[cedar owl]

it's annoying how silk can do literally everything

[edgy stone]

Like he made actual constructs out of soul

[toxic mauve]

Which definitely tracks for his character, no cost too great and all that

[edgy stone]

I do think silks ability to create beings is probably stronger

[vestal swan]

Silk is just soul but physical, it's like catching lightning

[rugged storm]

guys I want a bushflit mimic that just opens its mouth comically wide in some super secret part of farfields and does two masks ofc

[vestal swan]

But PK will never beat the fraud allegations ever

[limpid summit]

“Prove yourself more Weaver than Wyrm” I wouldn’t be surprised if the nationalistic Midwife and Weavers didn’t let young Hornet out much

[bronze turret]

Silk is soul manifested in the shape of malleable light threads.

[rugged storm]

or like not a bushflit, but like a creature that uses a bushflit as a lure

[limpid summit]

“Common bug” is retconned she’s a weaver now

[rugged storm]

anglerfish style

[midnight zinc]

This is just an odd take, he clearly had less of a hand in raising her, but he wasn’t intentionally raising THK like a child, despite his deeper feelings he raised it as a tool. Hornet may not have lived most of her childhood in the palace but considering he had struck a bargain with Herrah, gave her a child, started trade with Deepnest, and then Herrah helped save Hallownest, I see now reason why Hornet couldn’t and wouldn’t travel between Deepnest and the palace often. Even if he didn’t “raise” her, he would not have been absent from her life whatsoever.

[lethal burrow]

yes, but I don't think most of their bad stuff is "in the beginning"

[midnight zinc]

By common bug I mean not a god or demigod. She’s a mortal.

[cedar owl]

I too place my tools in cribs and share moments with them staring off into the distance

[limpid summit]

Idk man there’s a WP nursery he cared

[radiant smelt]

i wonder if PKs way of showing care towards hornet was instating tram stations between deepnest, white palace, and the hive, so that hornet could visit any of her mothers easily

[limpid summit]

No little crib for hornet

[midnight zinc]

It was basically a baby, why wouldn’t it have a nursery? And the chair shows that the WL spent more time there than he did.

[limpid summit]

That’s interesting

[lethal burrow]

The mushrooms probably didn't know that the Weavers were godchildren

[edgy stone]

Is the crest system and hornets ability to change her nature inherently unique to her?

[lethal burrow]

Midwife probably didn't either to be honest I doubt the Weavers were forthcoming about their origins

[midnight zinc]

Because she didn’t live in the palace. You’re being intentionally dense and not addressing the point.

[midnight zinc]

That would explain why he put way more effort into that line than the useless one in crossroads lol

[limpid summit]

Yes, but they’re visibly strong and respected among Deepnest society
Instead of being a plot point for Herrah the dialogue is now indicative of bias or ignorance and I like the Shrumals so that’s mean

[bronze turret]

This may sound like a stretch, but it may be that, since the tablet in which we read about Herrah being a "common bug" seems to be quite public, and what Weavers wished to was to hide, they most likely devised that as a facade so the common public wouldn't ask questions and spread their whereabouts, while only a few select people would be given the truth, if applicable.

[lean temple]

Everyone has a Crest I think but Hornet changing hers is I think a unique ability

[limpid summit]

The one to Resting Grounds so residents could visit their loved ones from near the town?

[radiant smelt]

TRUE lol

[toxic mauve]

That alienation is probably part of why he isn't present in the red memories (in lore at least)

I believe she does actually care somewhat about PK and he cares about her, but there's a lot of internal conflict with her upbringing making her dislike her weaver side and connection to him

[toxic mauve]

...That does seem like PK

[edgy stone]

Yeah even the knight has a crest but dont know if changing them is possible for bugs other than hornet

[limpid summit]

No yeah I would believe this now with what we’re given in SS but in HK it seemed pretty fine at face value too

[lean temple]

That lore tablet can only be read in shrumal language tho no?

[limpid summit]

The burden of proof isn’t on me to prove that a connection between Hornet and PK existed

[edgy stone]

Wonder if the ability to change comes more from pk or weaver blood

[dry bridge]

Eva basically says as much yeah

Lady... Incredible... Your nature is so unlike a mortal bugs. Yours is malleable, transitory. It is a marvelous thing. Worth my long life to behold.

[limpid summit]

Yes his appearance wouldn’t fit thematically and meta wise (3 queens) with RM but the only thing we do get is that she reviles her pale ancestry and thinks of her father as foolish

So to say that he cared is extrapolation

[lean temple]

Well I think Hornet would care about Herrah first and foremost, then Vespa, then WL and maybe then PK

[limpid summit]

The tramways is a nice theory though

[radiant smelt]

pretty smart of him actually so that he could benefit hornet and his kingdom simultaneously. perhaps he sacrificed his own connection with his daughter to improve her connection with her mothers

[bronze turret]

I agree. I would consider this a recontextualization, when you're given new information that makes you see an situation previously learned a different way.

[lean temple]

No cost too great mentality

[radiant smelt]

yuurp

[toxic mauve]

Oh yeah I'm not arguing that she cared more about him over any or all of the others

[edgy stone]

I feel like hornets dislike for pale beings also comes from the fact she is bound by the same needs as them

[lean temple]

Yeah ik dw, I'm trying to map where he would be in her relationship priorities

[toxic mauve]

I mean, as I said, I think that line is directed at herself just as much as him

[edgy stone]

She carries on the same need to rule as the pk and silk had

She simply resists it

[dry bridge]

Given Eva doesn't compare hornet's malleable nature to the weavers who made her, and the fact that the PK himself metamorphosed at least once in his life from wyrm to bug, I'd say it's probably an evolution of the weaver ability to bind mingling with the pale king's capacity for change

[vestal swan]

PK can only do it once

It's more like mask changing just without masks because she absorbed them

Which is probably a weaver thing

[toxic mauve]

Theory: PK had architect's crest

We've never seen him fight maybe he'd start busting out some crazy drill attacks

[dry bridge]

I don't mean it's literally inherited more like, symbolically, I guess?

[edgy stone]

Yeah and the vessels are also able to take in other peoples souls/nature kinda like hornet bit thats also due to their unique nature as empty hollow beings

[bronze turret]

I do not quite recall, but if anything, the Shrumals would still include a significant amount of common people as well. Especially when you recall a certain Mushroom who loves travelling around, gathering information. (ok that last part was a joke)

[limpid summit]

However I would also say that the Shrumals knew about PK’s foresight and what he saw so he was likely transparent with them - and they generally seem fairly knowledgeable and also follow MM who is on a higher level of thought
I think a recontextualization that just makes them not know something (even though they obviously understand the Deepnest caste system) is a poor one

[edgy stone]

But I feel like both pk and the pale lady probably have some soul absorbing ability as well

The white lady just due to her being a tree

[lean temple]

Mister Mushroom is definitely not common

[vestal swan]

TK can eat a car battery and use it to fly, that's not the same

[edgy stone]

Her roots sapping up shit

[radiant smelt]

i mean the archiecture of cogwork core does bear a lot of similarities to white palace

[rugged storm]

maybe white lady is similar to greyroot but she's just overloaded with soul

[lean temple]

Exactly

[bronze turret]

When I say common, I mean people you don't want to know about secrets that could be spread around... and again it was a joke

[rugged storm]

appearance wise

[dry bridge]

Like the Wyrm is a transitory being and weavers are already capable of binding other weavers' knowledge into their own (hence the shrines for silk skills) and these two together expand hornet's capacity into a broader sort of thing where now hornet can subsume crests rather than just silk skills

[toxic mauve]

Nerf pale king's charged drill attack he's too OP

[lean temple]

Eva does note an ever shifting nature in Hornet which presumably is caused by the Wyrm side

[edgy stone]

Its probably also due to hornets biology being pretty fucked up

Like born of a god and a mutated being

[toxic mauve]

That's an understatement considering how excited that weird doctor person was to look inside her shell

[radiant smelt]

thinking about butterflies actually. the monarch wings which were presumably PK's.. monarch butterflies.. lifeblood butterflies. what does it all mean

[lean temple]

As for the shrumal tablet again I don't see how the shrumals wouldn't know Herrah being a Weaver. Unless they were deliberately lying, except that that tablet requires spore shroom to be read

[bronze turret]

True, it's not everyday that you stumble upon the child of divine figures!

[edgy stone]

People like to make hornet look like a spider under her mask but I like the idea of her just being a complete amalgamation of a bug

Just non bug like

[toxic mauve]

Nah bring back the "hornet is void" theory. There's even more evidence against it this time

[edgy stone]

Pale kings biology also seems really weird

I like the idea that hes not a proper bug in his king form

Its just a form of mimicry

[lean temple]

In HK 77 when TC are milking the last money out of the franchise Hornet is revealed to be void this whole time

[toxic mauve]

I mean I feel like shoving a massive wyrm into the form of a little guy would make some weird stuff happen

[bronze turret]

Ia! Ia! Don't open the can of Wyrms fhtagn!

[vestal swan]

"this is probably what a bug looks like, that's probably the right size"
Says the giant wyrm that has not actually entered the kingdom yet

[lean temple]

Well PK shapeshifted (or was reborn i guess), but yeah I think he was pretty bizarre compared to a bug

[toxic mauve]

HK 77? So in year 2564?

[vestal swan]

He didn't shape shift, he left his old body behind it was like a butterfly thing

[lean temple]

Nah too early

[radiant smelt]

i like to think PK's body is coiled up like a spring under his robes and he can stretch to like. hundreds of times his length

[lean temple]

Yeah I used that word pretty loosely

[vestal swan]

Tiny worm body, no legs, giant ass unnecessary wings

Still has a spiky head for some reason

[radiant smelt]

his mouth is up there within the spikes

[bronze turret]

Metamorphosis! Hope this helps!

[radiant smelt]

hes actually permanently looking upwards

[vestal swan]

Yeah I forget that word sometimes

[edgy stone]

I like the mimicry thing because he looks more like a common bug than anything else

[toxic mauve]

He's a terraria flying snake

[edgy stone]

Hes still unqiue yes but hes obviously based on the beetle design of normal bugs

[lean temple]

It's a dominant trait ig

[toxic mauve]

Aw, my image was deleted

[bronze turret]

It's what his teeth morphed into. It's pretty symbolic when you think about it!

[vestal swan]

Not dominant enough, wavy-"haired" vessels exist

[edgy stone]

He still looks a lot like a wyrm even in his king form

[toxic mauve]

Wait

Are you telling me he just shoves food into the top of his head

[lean temple]

Well yeah. Dominant for only his forms

[radiant smelt]

possibly!!

actually what if all of his children have their mouths up there

[lean temple]

How come?

[vestal swan]

He has one new form

[radiant smelt]

like. the knights horns are actually mandibles

[lean temple]

I know it was mostly a joke

[toxic mauve]

Crystal dash into the wall, he gets a mouthful of rocks

[vestal swan]

Plenty of bugs have horns on their head and mouths on their face defying the top facing mouth logic

[edgy stone]

Pk also doesnt have a need for most biological organs

[radiant smelt]

he bores thru the rock to create tunnels

[toxic mauve]

Wait wait hear me out

[rugged storm]

They could be based on mandibles, but the mouth is definitely down there

[bronze turret]

Sharp teeth, much like horns and claws, are often portrayed in fiction and mythology as the traits of beings on top of the food chain, and the crown is a symbol of authority and status within their assigned society, the teeth become the crown

[edgy stone]

From hornets dialouge we can assume he never had a reason to eat much

[lean temple]

Interesting interpretation

[toxic mauve]

PK's head spikes are flexible and they can move independently to guide food into the mouth on top of his head

[vestal swan]

He doesn't eat as much not that he doesn't need to at all

[rugged storm]

No

[lean temple]

Where is he stated to eat at all?

[vestal swan]

They don't flop around when you knock him off the throne

[vestal swan]

The weird assumption is thinking that he doesn't need to eat, hornet says that she rarely needs to eat thanks to her genetics

[rugged storm]

Maybe all his energy as a big worm fed him enough for the rest of his life

So he didn’t really need to eat

[bronze turret]

Hornet states she does not need nourishment as often, so it can be inferred that while she does eat, she does not require to do it to sustain herself with the same regularity a mortal bug would. It's a common god-like trope

[lean temple]

Yes, Hornet being a half god. Not outlandish to think a full god would need food even less or even not at all

[vestal swan]

It is outlandish

[limpid summit]

I think that’s more the Weaver side of her needing to eat

[vestal swan]

Living things need to eat

[limpid summit]

With the Wyrm side of her not

He made a form to mimic bugs why would he give himself the power to starve

[vestal swan]

The only character that plausibly does not need to eat is white lady

[edgy stone]

White lady and unn potentially??

[limpid summit]

This is WL’s true HB power

[rugged storm]

I might be wrong but we’ve only seen mortal bugs eat

[edgy stone]

White lady probably does take nutrients in with her roots

[bronze turret]

It's a common god trope stemmed from religious branches, nothing too weird about it, really.

[radiant smelt]

i think unn is "fed" by her followers belief in her

[limpid summit]

Why would PK need to eat people food

[vestal swan]

Assigning random god powers because other media does it is a really bad example

Why can't all of the hollow Knight gods fly

Most gods can just fly right

[rugged storm]

I’m not saying all higher beings dont need to eat, some do probably

[lean temple]

Radiance? Nightmare's Heart? Lifeblood Beast? Void creatures? Heck even shadow creepers don't eat at all

[vestal swan]

The nightmare heart kind of is eating

Radiance yeah not really

[toxic mauve]

Give radiance a lil snack

[rugged storm]

The void shell thingy literally says it never eats

[vestal swan]

Lifeblood beast might actually be eating lifeblood

[edgy stone]

Radiance sustains herself out of belief so like a different way of eating

[bronze turret]

That would be denying the fundamental principle of storytelling. Every story comes from a previous story, until they track back to IRL cultures and religions and even other media that serves as inspiration for future works.

[vestal swan]

And void creatures and lifeblood are not standard life forms they don't give soul

[limpid summit]

I think this is whataboutism it’s not about superpowers it’s not requiring bodily functions that mortal bugs need

[radiant smelt]

what if gargant glooms ate void and they stored it inside themselves like camels

[lethal burrow]

What does the radiance eat?

[limpid summit]

I don’t want to think about gargant glooms I hate gargant glooms

[lethal burrow]

dreams about food?

[vestal swan]

The problem here is that there is no defining set of abilities like this in universe that apply to all of God's. It's purely headcanon based on other media

Always has been

[limpid summit]

Okay but do we assume PK needs his 8 hours like a normal bug

[lean temple]

Also what energy is some food going to give a god? Does he have god mitochondria too?

[bronze turret]

It's not headcanon, Hornet provides evidence

[limpid summit]

No because that’s silly and he’s a being far beyond mortal comprehension

[vestal swan]

She does not say my dad didn't need to eat she says she rarely needs to

[rugged storm]

Where do you draw life, are the animated cogwork things life if they have soul

[vestal swan]

The animated what now

[lethal burrow]

He seems comprehendible

[rugged storm]

COGWORK

[vestal swan]

I consider lifeblood and void to be alive they are just non-standard living creatures because they don't use soul

[rugged storm]

Stupid autocorrect

[edgy stone]

Pale king might not sleep either? Giving credence to his weird anatomy

[vestal swan]

I would say most of the cogwork creatures do not qualify as a life form, but the autonomous ones do

Like sentinel and architect

[edgy stone]

Its either he doesnt sleep or the radiance can never appear in his mind, as when speaking of the radiance he says the light that plagues their dreams

[lean temple]

Iirc shadow creepers give soul, but don't need to eat

[rugged storm]

I don’t think either of these need food

[bronze turret]

There's an underlying theme of inheritance, either through genetics or nurture ingrained into the story. While it can be argued that she infers the information, it's not as scandalous a thought as you're making it out to be, especially if we go by the idea that there's a power tier idea involved as well, in which Higher Beings are not afflicted by the common setbacks that mortals are known for.

[limpid summit]

”Exists above all others”
Needs to eat

[vestal swan]

The existing above all others is pretty obviously qualified by their special supernatural abilities, you can still kill them there's no reason to remove the other things that standard life forms have

[rugged storm]

That’s just high halls, you need to go higher

[limpid summit]

Ability to be killed =/= ability to eat

[lean temple]

Yeah you can kill them through tremendous amounts of power

[limpid summit]

You don’t have to lump every aspect of a living being together

[bronze turret]

So what you're saying is that you don't think Higher Beings requiring little nourishment is a possibility because you don't think it's a good story trope?

[vestal swan]

No they're pretty close, if we're going by random bullshit divinity rules in other media only a God can kill a god

[radiant smelt]

i wonder why some cogwork entities are more autonomous by others. maybe beings like second sentinel are powered by the "soul-flies" of sentient bugs, while the lesser cogwork entitire are powered by the soul-flies of like. an aknid or something. can an aknid become a soul-fly?

[vestal swan]

No I'm not saying it's not true because it's not a good story trope I'm saying it's not true because the only basis for the idea is outside media

People have been randomly assigning the god characters bullshit powers and abilities for years simply because they are gods without anything backing it up inside the game

[rugged storm]

I think second sentinel has the soul of a pinstress hunted

[radiant smelt]

yea i agree

[lean temple]

The two ways higher beings have been killed on screen in HK were the void coupled with either a lord of shades and army of siblings or a demigoddes and a lot of magic and the power of the most powerful beings in the kingdom

For PK we have no clue as to how he actually died

[rugged storm]

Your logic defies itself

Void entities die therefore they eat

[limpid summit]

If you’re referring to White Lady I think at this point it’s you not the game

[edgy stone]

Its definitely not actually gonna be cannon but I like the idea that the pale king is technically not dead

[radiant smelt]

bros hibernating

[edgy stone]

Like his body is alive but his mind simply left his body like kars from jojo

[rugged storm]

He left earlier when we argued

Do you think he ragequit?

[lean temple]

And like hey , if weapon is right then that's fine, but it's not this completely ridiculous thing to suggest that PK just doesn't need food, if even little shadow creepers don't need it.

[limpid summit]

Guys sometimes people just have other things to do

[radiant smelt]

and his mind? became the knights mind!!!! THIS IS A JOKE

[keen nebula]

do we know where le'mer actually got her masses of everblooms or where they even come from?

[limpid summit]

Let’s not rag on someone for leaving a discussion about video game lore

[limpid summit]

“Lands serene” in her homeland (we don’t know)

[toxic mauve]

He didn't realize he could reload his save file for act 3

[lean temple]

Ze'mer*

[keen nebula]

but then in general do we know where they come from, like the one the white lady has?

[lean temple]

The WL got it from Zemer

[limber anvil]

Wondering how phantom survived living near muchmagots.

[bronze turret]

And that's fine so long as they understand the line between headcanon and canon. No one is saying PK requiring little nourishment is canon Powder, only that Hornet's speech provides enough evidence to make one believe that's it's plausible, and plausible is not synonym with canon, only that it's believable and compliant enough.

[keen nebula]

did not pay attention to her name last time i played the game

[vestal swan]

Mfw there's a life on the other side of the screen

[toxic mauve]

Oh wait I thought this was referring to PK

[lean temple]

She says so herself "brought here by one beloved, fair knight of lands serene"

[rugged storm]

Just procrastinate like me and wallow in self despair

[edgy stone]

I thought white lady was scared of the everbloom as seen in her dialog of her being suprised that the knight would hold it knowing its nature, but I guess she meant shes suprised a void being would hold it

[lean temple]

Yeah she means TK shouldn't be holding it since they're void

[toxic mauve]

Yeah he got the ending and didn't realize he could get act 3 by reloading the save file

[vestal swan]

Yeah originally I thought it was basically a nuke that would go off around any powerful catalyst but then it got turned into a antivoid button which is lame

[toxic mauve]

PK uninstalled fr

[edgy stone]

I kinda like it somewhat

It doesnt seem like anything has no predators

[keen nebula]

and we just have no idea where "lands serene" are. but then do we have any idea why they repel the void if they're just from a nice place? or do we get into other potential pale being stuff that has never been brought up in game?

[edgy stone]

Like its rock paper scissors

[limpid summit]

Which sucks because HK is all about catalysts (shaman spells, VH, Godseeker focus) they really just had to reinvent everything to fit SS themes

[toxic mauve]

Silksong DLC surely

[lean temple]

"The first light" and their pale light wards against the void

[keen nebula]

yes, but i assume we don't know why they exist like that

[vestal swan]

It's called the first light so it's something primordial

[rugged storm]

Maybe it’s the true surface opposing the void

[lean temple]

Yeah we don't

[toxic mauve]

You have to go through all that memory stuff to get a single flower then you just find the place they grow

[radiant smelt]

i wonder if theres any connection between shellwood white flowers, the white flowers in lace's arena, and everbloom. hornet mentions that she thinks the white flower enemies would be pretty decorations for the white palace which i think is interesting

[vestal swan]

This does bring up potentially some crazy lore with Zemer tho, because if the lands serene is the original home of the flower then it's basically like the origin of life and super peaceful, and if she came from there she could be like older than everybody, she's dead now but

[lean temple]

Probably not

[rugged storm]

There’s probably one with lace but I think the shell wood flowers are just white

Not with the everbloom tho

[bronze turret]

At most, the connection may be merely symbolic, but not on a world-building depth.

[vestal swan]

Laces flowers don't have anything significant about them
Everblooms are not from the region
Nyleths spawn are tied to her and possibly foreign in nature but not connected to the others

[lean temple]

That would be assuming she's a first generation lands serene resident to have lived so long. Plus something caused her to leave and we don't know what that is

[vestal swan]

They're just white flowers

[vestal swan]

They ran out of lesbians

[lean temple]

Tragic

[edgy nebula]

she says the court would use them as decorations, probably because theyre pretty and white, which isnt very notable

[edgy stone]

Nyleth might exist as some sort of mimcry of everblooms

[vestal swan]

But also given how the second game irrationally stretched to the timeline out in both directions I wouldn't put it past zemer's backstory doing the same thing if we ever explore that land

[lean temple]

Everblooms don't grow in pharloom so how could that be

[edgy nebula]

to scare away the natural apex preddator, the void

[radiant smelt]

thatd be an insane age gap between her and the traitor lords daughter

[edgy stone]

Well nyleth is presumably not from pharloom either?

She seems completely unique

[left rivet]

#sk-lore is it normal i took over 30 pics of trobbio to try to understand how he is managing to create a impervious tornado as an attack

[keen nebula]

i wouldn't be surprised the lace flowers are just taken from shellwood as decoration

[vestal swan]

Nyleth being the mother of the area and not having another similar forrest nearby does suggest that she is foreign

[lean temple]

Maybe? Idk

[bronze turret]

Law of Cartoon, friend, don't overthink the designs when they defy physicality. Even bees back in HK turned inside out to expose a big sting

[radiant smelt]

wait that makes sense because of the like. treaty between shellwood and the citadel

[edgy nebula]

video game logic, it's like how moorwing shoots sawblades from it's feet

[edgy stone]

I think nyleth being a mimicry bug from the same region as the everbloom could be cool

She seems peaceful but the flowers act like predators even if they are tainted by silk

[vestal swan]

Why does everybody want everything to be a mimic

[radiant smelt]

mimics are awesome

[left rivet]

idk why i just dont question that ig i love air as an element so i just try to figure it out. I believe trobbio is just that good at spinning and creates the tornado out of glitter

[edgy nebula]

nyleth being a normal bug from the everbloom area and just being really strong compared to hparloom bugs would be cool

[lean temple]

I mean if lands serene was truly like a paradise why did Zemer leave? Did she just want action? Or is there something more sinister with lands serene getting corrupted or destroyed somehow

[edgy stone]

Like the fact they pretend to be normal bugs then attavk

[vestal swan]

The forest is naturally hostile nyleth had to control it when she was alive to allow safe passage

[left rivet]

it is funni tho just seeing a bug shoot its boots at u

[edgy nebula]

i wonder if khann, clover dancers, or karmelita allowed pilgrims safe passage aswell

[left rivet]

after her fall i think everyone fell under gms

[vestal swan]

I mean yes they could have fallen to GMS when she died but it would still be naturally hostile without GMS controlling it

[radiant smelt]

in general enemies do seem to be able to just. have a new weapon appear in their hands after throwing it at you

[elder rune]

Khann would’ve had them join his army or die lol

[left rivet]

Nope: Clover dancers stated to use their beautifal verdania ninja dance techniques to kill uninvited outsiders

[radiant smelt]

maybe thats just an ability that bugs have

[edgy nebula]

oh yeah, forgot that part

[vestal swan]

Carmelita and the gay prince seem like they would, Karak not so much

[left rivet]

ya khanns lit a empire ruler (no wonder why hes called khann

[edgy stone]

I think every act 3 bug is supposed to be a douchebag

[left rivet]

i think honestly verdania only killed meddling ones: Karmelita

[keen nebula]

do we have an idea of the timeline of karak's collapse and of nyleth's arrival if she is foreign? since i have to wonder, assuming nyleth is foreign, if she came after karak dried up and took over the lower region for herself, or if she came while/before karak ruled and used its water

[edgy nebula]

i stand by the fact that khann wasnt a dictator because im biased

[edgy stone]

Though you did have to challenge karmelita

So idk

[radiant smelt]

the verdanians seem kinda aggro? its mentioned that their children already know how to fight

[left rivet]

ya actually he was stern but ur right he could be a not as strict of

[edgy stone]

They are beings built purely for war

[edgy nebula]

karak > verdania, khann doesnt use child soldiers

[edgy stone]

Like super peaceful and nice ans green land and boom give them razor hands

[left rivet]

i remember the head canon of the rly good karmelita animatic to be based off her killing a strong warrior so everyone just decided to make her their leader

[bronze turret]

So meddling they will even invade a poor innkeeper's cellar to check on that sweet nectar!

[edgy stone]

Everything on the right side of the map is just evil

[vestal swan]

The only solid part of timeline we have for them is that they all predate GMS so they likely all existed at the same time right before she showed up

[edgy stone]

Left side supremacy

[rugged storm]

Not a dictator but militaristic

Not the same thing but often mutual

[edgy stone]

Karmelita presumably is the youngest out of them all

[radiant smelt]

khann literally believes "the weak should crumble" so

[elder rune]

Nah he’s a dictator but I still stan him lol.

[left rivet]

ture: but i think verdania is actually built diff: the children just naturally have that instinct and zipping technique

[vestal swan]

I don't know why but I agree with this

[keen nebula]

and red coral gorge was likely a bilewater situation where the citadel messed it up?

[bronze turret]

...Verdania and Pale Lake are on the right side, though!

[edgy stone]

Karmelita is the only alive one even in her incredibly old and weakened state

[edgy nebula]

he also says "Defy your limits!" though....

[edgy stone]

We know her and khann are normal bugs at least

[vestal swan]

Most likely Imo

[edgy stone]

Khann is just from a long lineage of rulers

[left rivet]

i geniunely believe verdania is tied with karmelita for being the least problematic

[rugged storm]

Green Prince looks to be in his prime, the same as the memory

[edgy nebula]

gms directly attacked karak, id say, that or the weavers

[edgy stone]

He himself is just special due to being the last of his rule

[edgy stone]

Both awful and evil

[left rivet]

ya and remember far fields how do u even define a giant field as evil, and KARMELITA LIT PROTECTING EVERYONE FROM HAUNTING THERE THO

[bronze turret]

Lol

[elder rune]

They have child soldiers

[molten python]

Source?

[robust wagon]

Fleatopia :(

[vestal swan]

They don't necessarily have child soldiers so much as the children are born ready to fight

[radiant smelt]

i think there mightve been ant racism going on. like, gurr the outcast has a last claw strung up as a trophy. whats up with that

[left rivet]

thats the thing my headcanon is that the children are able to fight by instinct, BUT ya they do just let them endanger themselves

[vestal swan]

All of the dialogue about him

[elder rune]

Yeah but it’s not like they discourage the kid’s yearning for combat.

[rugged storm]

But Bilewater

[edgy nebula]

many lore tablets mention khann being karak's "Last lord" and "Lord born strong"

[left rivet]

i think thats a him prob: the red+grey ones were prob shunned

[vestal swan]

I mean if your enemies get past you and storm into a nursery are you going to be happy or sad that your kids defended themselves

[bronze turret]

It's not stated the children were used as them, only that the children are developed enough at birth to be competent fighters. I don't see the point of bringing modern human society logic to a world where status quo for bugs operates differently to some capacity

[molten python]

I haven't seen any that says he became the ruler due to his blood.

[left rivet]

i just beat verdania and i liked the architecture so much i just took over 20+ pics of it for reference on here

[vestal swan]

Well there's the bullshit line about inheriting power

[left rivet]

i also noted that they somehow found out that the green prince and his lover were born on the exact same heartbeat

[edgy nebula]

oh yeah isnt it implied voltnest was also lowkey huge and extended fo blasted steps aswell

The squirrm inhabit big voltnest holes iirc

[left rivet]

and their customs say they were cursed (true considering their doomed yaoi status) 🙁

[molten python]

Haven't found any lines mentioning inheritance.

[left rivet]

I wish we could like revive them or like the verdania kingdom. The secret patch with verdanian clovers regrowing from the princes could be foresahowding

[twin veldt]

I thought Lace's flowers in the cradle were made from Silk as well

[radiant smelt]

we need more voltnest content.. its so small and theres only a singular boss associated with it, not even any normal enemies

[vestal swan]

Shaman dialogue iirc

[left rivet]

i would wanna be a verdania mantis i would love to just frolic and dart around the clovers

[edgy nebula]

Ill check rq

[elder rune]

This

Super sad to see Voltnest not have much of anything, and the boss is just mid

[left rivet]

its weird why they only live in a small portion: maybe when the karak kingdom existed that place was a reef

[twin veldt]

Is there any connection between Verdania the Green Prince and the Mantis Lords?

[edgy nebula]

Doesnt seem like the shamans say anything about inherited strength

[molten python]

Last lord because GMS took over. I interpret "lord born strong" more so as the strongest becomes the ruler.

[elder rune]

I’d wanna be a Flea since I vibe with their whimsy

[edgy nebula]

Lord born strong definitely leans towards prophesized ruler to me, agree to disagree i spose

[molten python]

They're in the same universe.

[left rivet]

prob not but it just seems like mantis are built diff: The children can lit fight on day 1/2, they have a (mostly) happy society and are extremely good at combat and environment management

[left rivet]

OMG THATS HUGE/j

[elder rune]

They’re mantises too

[left rivet]

ya

[robust wagon]

Uh no

[edgy stone]

Hes called the lord born last to rule as well

[left rivet]

they are

[edgy stone]

Its definitely an inherited title

[elder rune]

Imma go sleep now btw

[vestal swan]

It's not impossible to have different kinds of mantises, the first game had like six different spiders a butterfly and a caterpillar that didn't match and a bunch of grubs and beetles that didn't match

[rugged storm]

Guys why can’t a tiny baby karmelita pop out of her corpse, why does broodmother get this blessing

[left rivet]

bye

[edgy nebula]

i wonder if karak will regrow, since wote’s memento mentions him waiting for new life

[radiant smelt]

next patch is gonna add baby karmelita trust like how they added clovers to green prince after he dies

[left rivet]

cuz their flies 🙁 rasict hornet is based

[twin veldt]

I knew it!

[edgy stone]

Khann leaks water now too righf

[edgy nebula]

No

[radiant smelt]

does he??

[molten python]

Thanks. It makes more sense now.

[left rivet]

ya it is sus that he says "new life" a theory is that mount fay has all the water but its frozen so maybe u could find a way to reriver karak

[edgy nebula]

come on, mask maker! It’s time for global warming

[left rivet]

why does that sound sus

[radiant smelt]

its so wacky to me how coral tower is right under mount fay. and if it was still around it would extend right into the mountain

[toxic mauve]

Hornet lets ALL the greenhouse gases into the atmosphere

[left rivet]

maybe the citadel caused too much global cooling: (this has happened in history)

[edgy nebula]

i feel like fayforn may have had something to do with it

[toxic mauve]

Roast those little bugs on the surface

Tasty snack

[rugged storm]

I had a theory that originally the putrified ducts/bilewater, the only sources of water, originally flowed through the empty space that became the citadel, and into karak. When the citadel was built, the water got redirected down and dirtied

[edgy nebula]

i dont think khann wouldve let that kill him ngl

id imagine it to be direct influence from gms

[left rivet]

O that would make sense: the citadel blocked it used it up on high halls and dirited the ducts and bilewater through exhaust organ

[radiant smelt]

i wonder what the watcher at the edge was watching for

[edgy nebula]

New life

[rugged storm]

I had a whole yap about environmental lore, should I find it?

[left rivet]

yes plz i would like to hear ur thoughts

[molten python]

I wonder what Hornet was watching.

[radiant smelt]

lets have a watch

[left rivet]

sandcarvers?????

[rugged storm]

ok so here's the theory I have on the environment so far:
putrified ducts originally ran through the citadel into sands of karak, filling it with water. The citadel was built and water was redirected into sinners road, and the water was also dirtied. Sands of Karak then got infested with sand carvers and groms that dug out tunnels that drained the remaining water into moss grotto, allowing for the moss to flourish. With the putrified water, verdania's plants couldn't survive, explaining why there are still clovers in the bilewater free memorium. Also the skulls in the marrow might've been herbivores that ate away at shellwood's ecosystem after nyleth died

[molten python]

Since she is also called a watcher in the game.

[left rivet]

idk about marrow (could just be a lot of bones there from prehistoric beasts) but ya thats cool

[molten python]

Now that I think about it, both Hornet and WotE served as sentinels of a dead kingom.

[rugged storm]

And the hunters march connects to the marrow, but there are no ants, so I think they hunted those herbivores until there were no more

[edgy nebula]

Okay yeah this seems cooler id say, i like this

[left rivet]

ok its watcher at the k i n g d o m s's edge and watcher at the... edge.

[toxic mauve]

Okay but

Why do you get a pardon of all crimes after throwing hands with the bird judge. Why can't we do that irl

[edgy nebula]

Watcher at the edge takes off their helmet and theyre hornet from the future

[left rivet]

fortuantley pharloom was fortuante in hornet arriving to save it from gms

[radiant smelt]

and then the worms carry the lifeblood down into the mosslands as well

[rugged storm]

cause a bigger bird judge gets mad at you with more arena waves beforehand

in the slab

[fickle lion]

How does this feller pertain to the hollow knight charms?

[left rivet]

aa 2027 plot

[molten python]

sands under tail

[edgy nebula]

Likely just another sprintmaster, maybe a descendant/apprentice of the old sprintmaster

[left rivet]

maybe he was friends with dashmaster cuz those 2 bugs look diff maybe same species

[edgy nebula]

Curious how he’s blue though, maybe the two bugs had an alliance and trained swift

[molten python]

Wasn't "sprintmaster" a species of bugs?

[left rivet]

wait... sprintmaster swift.... SPRINTMASTER???????????

[edgy nebula]

No, it was a title given to a bug great at sprinting

[left rivet]

maybe!????

[toxic mauve]

I thought the craws would stop attacking after I got the pardon tbh

[edgy nebula]

Craws dont give a shit, they dont care if youre pardoned they hate your guts

[lethal burrow]

they're illegally attacking you now

[rugged storm]

good thing there's no crawfather to punish them

[molten python]

The Court of Craws will stop punishing you.

[left rivet]

also theyre still haunted

[toxic mauve]

We need to bring them to justice, where's the bird judge- oh

[molten python]

My bad, yeah. I haven't played Hollow Knight in over a decade.

[edgy nebula]

this too yeah

[toxic mauve]

Are they though?

[left rivet]

U CANT STOP ME THERES ONLY ANARCHY type shenanigans

[molten python]

You can check with the Needolin.

[rugged storm]

don't worry, I have a big judge who loves fire, let's go check on him... oh

[edgy nebula]

yeah, silk comes off of them

[toxic mauve]

Ah, fair enough

[left rivet]

silk comes out of them when u hit em ppl haunted have silk in them so hitting them releasess some threads

[molten python]

Non-haunted enemies also give Silk when hit. Silk is made of Soul.

[left rivet]

rly????

[molten python]

The Silk you receive is just what Hornet makes with Soul.

[rugged storm]

and if they don't that means hornet's not hitting hard enough, even though you're literally juggling kratt

[bronze turret]

GMS is everywhere, even in the music (BLASTS 'DIES IRAE' ON THE SPEAKERS)

[random flax]

Second sentinel gives soul, he isn’t haunted

[left rivet]

but remember everyone has silk in their blood cuz of whiteward AND gms's silk thats how the haunting works in the first place

[edgy nebula]

But gurr specifically doesnt give off silk

[rugged storm]

I guess being juggled is just in flea nature

[lethal burrow]

they're not haunted in the first place.

No strings appear when you play your instrument

[rugged storm]

every wisp thicket enemy isn't haunted, granted that's only one

[lethal burrow]

like when they're hit?

[rugged storm]

not including the lanterns

[edgy nebula]

Iirc yeah

[left rivet]

o i never knew that ya that makes the silk seem a bit more unreliable then.

[lethal burrow]

yea the silk you get from hitting enemies is just from soul that she makes into silk

[left rivet]

their just delulu <:(

[lethal burrow]

how does it make it unreliable? Or are you referring to the specific thing of gaining it?

[edgy nebula]

But gurr and shakra dont visually give off silk when hit..

[left rivet]

no its as a source to prove their hautned it seems like it isnt always an indication :l

[lethal burrow]

craw live in a region where silk is pouring down from the Sky at a frequent rate.

[rugged storm]

also trobbio isn't haunted, he just sings with the needolin cause he's like that

[left rivet]

Like 2nd sentinel, i think its cuz of the cogwork heart+the silk needed to keep it functioning

[lethal burrow]

yea it seems pretty clear that if strings appear when they're singing that means there haunted, and if not, then not

[left rivet]

ya trobbios is just built diff the power of theather is too strong for gms

[lethal burrow]

seems clear cut

[rugged storm]

wisp thicket they burn away the silk haunting, but unfortunately are insane suicide cultists

[left rivet]

thx! i just never have motivation to needolin dialog ppl so its fun to get needolin lore from here

[edgy nebula]

Wisp thicket has some cool lore

[left rivet]

yep the lantern confirms this: silk is burning at expense of creating a wisp aka a fire-soul creature

[radiant smelt]

are the fire slugs haunted theyre literally full of lava

[left rivet]

they can still have lava even if haunted

.... but it wouldnt chagne behavior even if they werent

[rugged storm]

also unfortunately? fortunately? the stiltkin are not haunted cause they hate and also I don't think gms cares about them enough idk

[radiant smelt]

i still like the theory that the muckmaggots eat away their silk

[left rivet]

wait do they have puppet strings on them??

[rugged storm]

no

they serve groal

[edgy nebula]

i feel like wisp thicket has existed before the haunting, i dont think the wisps use silk as fuel

[left rivet]

sight thats a optimistic way to look at it

[toxic mauve]

Wasn't hornet's ability to make silk from soul the reason she got captured to begin with?

[left rivet]

the lantern does tho maybe jsut soul or any other magic substance

[lethal burrow]

the wisps seem to be silk flies that are on fire, they look the same, but just on fire. They even both have four wings.

[left rivet]

theres a shortage of weavers that the citadel desperately needs, as well as gms who wants her power or at least her to take over

[rugged storm]

I love how silksong teaches me fun new words

[edgy nebula]

Just checked, groal has strings coming off of him when you use the needolin

[rugged storm]

Immolation, apostasy

[rugged storm]

oh wait really, mb gang

[left rivet]

no wait... methinks its like a 大(chinese for big) like homage to fire blast from pokemon

[radiant smelt]

its so weird that groal has strings but the lesser stilkin dont

[rugged storm]

I think it's a reference to that one avatar scene

[left rivet]

ya i think its like they follow him he follows... hismelf ig

[bronze turret]

I thought it was a 火, which is chinese for fire

[left rivet]

I think hes haunted but strong enough to ignore gms orders

[rugged storm]

I thought their whole thing was our hate is forever

[edgy nebula]

I dont think so personally, they seem to be their own thing and wisps burn away silk if they hit you so they probably wouldnt be made from silk anyway

[left rivet]

both work (which is why mega pyroar has both symbols in its design....)

[lethal burrow]

The chef in sinners Road is also haunted, but said to still remain at their task because of their fierce devotion to their sense of spirit or something.

groal must really hate the citadel enough to resist the silk, or maybe the soul just helps avoid the effects

[candid briar]

what is twisted child supposed to mean?

[rugged storm]

Their shells are ours. Their souls are ours.
Our hate is forever.

[radiant smelt]

yea since the snail shamans also avoid being haunted

[lethal burrow]

some sort of child comes out of grandmother silks wood body in the ending

[rugged storm]

wow these are fire insults
Hate for their light. Hate for their pins. For their waste poured
thick and endless.
Fill your hearts with hate, for power has now been claimed, and
with it we shall punish.

[candid briar]

did we just make greyroot 2 though?

[lethal burrow]

And that child is presumably twisted which means it's very good at twister

[lethal burrow]

we made some sort of unique godchild

Who knows what it's about

[left rivet]

ya i agree with u on this: haunting seems to have less power over what the ppl still think: insane yes BUT still dedicated to their tasks like eg the deep dock workers or the greymoor residents

[lethal burrow]

Not to mention, we have to keep in mind The difference between the people affected on a whiteward level and the people affected on a purely external level.

[left rivet]

i think the parasite just absorbed both u and gms powers so its now extreme power...?????

[candid briar]

i guess we'll be getting another game...?

[craggy smelt]

maybe, one day...

[left rivet]

ya whiteward is just horror: its not haunting even its just the surgeons were THAT insane

[candid briar]

could be a DLC, we'll see

time to yank this stupid parasite out

[craggy smelt]

I'd be surprised if anything followed up on the Cursed ending though

[left rivet]

whiteward dlc???? (thatll change rating from e 10+ to t)

[craggy smelt]

that'd be weird

[molten python]

Is it just me or is the Knight/Ghost not a child of the Pale King?

[candid briar]

pretty sure we die

[craggy smelt]

the vessels are born from the children of the Pale King
pale children + Void

[candid briar]

just you
you are indeed a child of the pale king

[left rivet]

they r tho.... all vessels are the 2 beings' eggs infused with void from abyss

[molten python]

I had a feeling while playing Hollow Knight but I feel like Silksong confirms it.

[candid briar]

you literally come out of the place where he dumped all his eggs

and you look identical to most of them

[molten python]

Hornet is the only child with the Pale King's blood.

[candid briar]

and we literally see our egg

[molten python]

None of the vessels are his children.

[candid briar]

they... are

[craggy smelt]

first game makes it clear too, if you seek out all the delicious lore
Hornet is the half-sibling of the Knight/vessels - same father (PK) different mothers (Herrah, White Lady)

[lethal burrow]

it's got vibes of "hollow knight leaves black egg temple can't you wait to see what happens next!!!"

(wait seven years for a game that doesn't even acknowledge it)

[bronze turret]

Born of god and void, Arvin, born of god and void

[candid briar]

please tell me your reasoning

[craggy smelt]

if they follow up on the weirdest ending from the first game, maybe they will for the second also

[lethal burrow]

I do not believe you're genuine

[bronze turret]

I'm starting to think the same

[molten python]

If the vessels are the children of the Pale King, why can none of them turn into a buzzsaw like Hornet?

[lethal burrow]

see

[craggy smelt]

there it is

[candid briar]

if you want to shitpost we have the two discussion channels for it..

[bronze turret]

Yeah ok he was just messing around...

[left rivet]

no voice to cry suffering 🙁

[candid briar]

silkpost
whatever

[craggy smelt]

lore is not for funne!

[molten python]

Sorry, I apologize.

[lethal burrow]

Shit posting is allowed, but the specifics of it are different

[molten python]

Please don't report me to the Court of Craws.

[left rivet]

guys chill 😮

[bronze turret]

It is for funne, but it's got to be more explicit

[craggy smelt]

no!

[silver spire]

just first tried absrad after not playing hollow knight for 1 month 😭 am i back

[left rivet]

it was unclear if u were geniune tho arvin just be a little more clear u should add /j to show u are joking.

[rugged storm]

guys I just thought of the perfect tool that would make so much sense, you know how those blasted steps guys shoot a drill, and you can get it as a tool except it goes through enemies, in choral chambers, you get a throwable bell that bounces, and goes through enemies

[lethal burrow]

no low effort/memes aloud guys!!!!

[molten python]

@bronze turret Is your profile picture from Dark Souls?

[left rivet]

aw man 🙁