sk-lore

[frosty gate]

Def

[silver crypt]

guys Can I separate the keys between run and dash on hollow knight silksong
make me a mod

[odd hazel]

how many endings are there

[blissful harbor]

3 to my knowledge

[heavy mirage]

Hi guys Am I the only one who noticed one curious detail that curiously resonates with the Hornet and the Grimm? I mean, they have very similar techniques.

Especially one of Greem's attacks similar to the Honet's spider run.

[gentle aspen]

hornet is a spider and grimm is a horror/halloween pastiche

Their techniques are not similar

[gentle aspen]

four if you count mister mushroom

[odd hazel]

ok thanks

[heavy mirage]

It's still a funny resemblance.

[blissful harbor]

the dash and uppercut are similar because Crests are basically souls and grimm has a reaper crest

[heavy mirage]

By the way, about makeup, it seems to me that in the first part he was just something like a scavenger, not evil.

Like he's just collecting the dregs of a kingdom in decline.

[sacred heath]

also they both scuttle funny

[heavy mirage]

Plus, I'm the only one wondering how Silksong will continue?

[silk dirge]

i mean reaper crest kinda

i see it

[barren beacon]

Is Huntress Equals with Hornet?

[frosty gate]

Epilogue DLC trust

[silk dirge]

i dont think it means anything tho

[heavy mirage]

And whether there will be a third part of Hollow knight? The mushroom hints at this.

(I hope it's not worth explaining what kind of mushroom?

[opaque pier]

Nah especially cuz shes not in her prime anymore

[silk dirge]

possibly

[barren beacon]

So Huntress is weaker? Cuz Hornet had to make a truce to not kill each other

[silk dirge]

mr mushroom could also just be hinting at future tc games that arent hk universe

[heavy mirage]

Plus, I'm thinking about something.

[quartz plinth]

Did Herrah really love the pale king or she just birthed hornet for the love of the game

[opaque pier]

Yeah but thats just normal behaviour

[barren beacon]

For the love of her kingdom, Iirc

[silk dirge]

birthed hornet to have a child

[barren beacon]

Oh right this

I think Herrah despised The Pale King

[dire lynx]

she needed an heir, and if she had one with PK it would be of "higher" birth

[silk dirge]

deepnest didnt like pk

[quartz plinth]

What a girlboss

[opaque pier]

She just wanted hornet to be of high birth, maybe becasue she knew she would go to pharloom one day?

[silk dirge]

maybe there could actually be lore behind that now

in that the weavers seem to be high caste in deepnest and perhaps pk reminded them of gms

so they tried to keep deepnest out

[heavy mirage]

How powerful would Hornet become if she awakened her wyrm essence? ||As it would have been with the ending of the Weaver queen ending, only there would she have kept her sanity.||

[dire lynx]

we dont know

u dont need to do spoiler warning in this channel btw

[heavy mirage]

That's why I'm tagging spoilers with a Discord spoiler lol.

Maybe I should write "spoilers alert" just in case.

And yet, players couldn't get one of the endings of the game because it was cut out. By the way, which I've heard about it on youtube, but I'm not going to write about it.

SPOILER ALERT! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK ||Although the spoiler does not matter because the ending was cut from this game, it could be assumed that this is either the first version of the first ending or the ending where Hornet loses to the grand mother.||

The reason for hiding the ending remains unknown.

[wooden sphinx]

you mean strung to serve ? it would play if you failed to bind or needolin GMS

[heavy mirage]

Hmm untresting

[silk dirge]

@foggy fractal would you happen to know the file name for the object you get beast crest from

you seem like the right person to ask for this

[dire lynx]

you misunderstand, this channel is meant for spoiling. you dont need to put any spoiler warnings or censorship

[silk dirge]

im trying to figure out savage beastfly lore and i think that object may be an ancestor of savage beastfly and maybe the file name has hints or smth idk

[foggy fractal]

wdym the object

[heavy mirage]

Oh

[foggy fractal]

you mean the corpse ?

[silk dirge]

the thing you claim

[silk dirge]

yeah

[heavy mirage]

Okay sorry

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah what'd you guys think of Sherma's death

[dire lynx]

no need to apologise lol

[silk dirge]

that one needolin dialog line from savage beastfly really made me interested in its lore

[dire lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[silk dirge]

bc on first look youd think its just stupid creature is banging its head to try to escape when it could go the other way

but im starting to feel like savage beastfly is more than that

i started this as a joke 😭

and im actually finding shit

[heavy mirage]

By the way, I'm wondering what kind of fourth race could exist in the world of hollow knight Past the pale beings, weavers and vessels?

[muted lantern]

I think it's what he deserved after what he did to the sentient Bell he carried around and beat

[silver crypt]

HELP ME KILL THIS BOSS OMG

[unreal nimbus]

AH

[silk dirge]

sorry cant help you with that

[muted lantern]

You actually have to kill 87 of them and then never get a single reply

[foggy fractal]

its a few images that make up the corpse all labeled "Ant_Chapel_Beast" thats it though

[sinful nimbus]

A bunch of them? There are far more species/types of entities you encounter than that

[heavy mirage]

Like what if there was a blood-sucking race in the world of Hollow knight, inspired by real insects that feed on blood and use sanguimancy

[silk dirge]

thats unfortunate but i guess file names are just file names sometime

[unreal nimbus]

mosquitos?

[silk dirge]

i dont think the ant in the name means anything i think it just means its in the ant area

[sinful nimbus]

Nuu is a kissing bug

[heavy mirage]

Yep

And not only them, as I remember.

[unreal nimbus]

thatd be like the bilewater fly things but worse imo

[edgy barn]

That's what the hoppers in Kingdom's Edge do according to their journal entry.

[silk dirge]

anyways i need to do a serious anatomy analysis of the beast crest corpse

[wooden sphinx]

savage beastfly and its consequences

[edgy barn]

You can see it has long limbs so I don't think it's a beastfly.

[silk dirge]

my theory is its an ancestor of beastflies

which means it doesnt have to look exact

it has a lot of similarities i just noticed

for example the eye shape

it has another set of eyes but that works with the idea that its an ancestor

[dire lynx]

Pantheon of Pharloom with the Primal Beastfly

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-primal-aspid-machine-gun-minigun-i-hate-it-gif-17572793

[silk dirge]

check this out

if you fill in the cracked head its the exact same shape as beastfly's head

[sweet ermine]

why does hornet want to murder us

[sinful nimbus]

How far have you gotten into Hollow Knight

[sweet ermine]

uh

[sinful nimbus]

Ending spoilers for Hollow Knight in case you haven't gotten there: ||She is trying to prevent any vessels from potentially freeing the Hollow Knight but then dying and making the situation worse||

[sweet ermine]

oh

i know hollow knight

its the pure vessel

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[silk dirge]

these circled back spike thingies are also present on savage beastfly

[lone folio]

What's the newest thing you have unlocked? Area, ability, etc

[silk dirge]

it also has an armored back with an exposed belly

[sweet ermine]

dreamnail

and grim troupe

[silk dirge]

tldr: the corpse in chapel of the beast is very likely the ancestor of savage beastfly

and from needolin dialog we can figure out it is calling out to that savage beastfly somehow

[lone folio]

What's the needolin dialogue?

[silk dirge]

full beastfly dialog

[lone folio]

Interesting

[silk dirge]

i think whats very likely here is savage beastflies were hunted by skarrs

[lone folio]

"distant dark, vivid red"

[silk dirge]

or their ancestors atleast

[lone folio]

Hell does that mean

[silk dirge]

vivid red could be referring to skarr

[lone folio]

Vivid red as in skarrs or karmelita?

[silk dirge]

possibly

i think probably skarr hunted some ancestor of savage beastfly and kept it in the chapel of the beast as some sort of trophy or prayer object

and now that ancestor is calling out to that savage beastfly which is why its banging its head trying to get in

idk whats up with the far fields beastfly

that one is probably related and just hasnt found its way to the chapel

[lone folio]

So the beastfly did have lore

Crazy stuff

[silk dirge]

yeah

i dont think ive seen anyone bring this up before

[lone folio]

Somehow you have uncovered beastfly lore before I figured out what the hell trobbios stage was

[sly basin]

Is plasmium just lifeblood?

[lone folio]

Yes

[silk dirge]

all bc of a joke i made lol

i want to see others give their thoughts on this but i think i have it pretty spot on

the journal entry for savage beastfly also says it is "angered"

so this isnt a random fly whos instinct is to just kill

[dire flame]

What does the conversation Between Hornet and the White Lady in the red memory mean? I get her memories about Herrah and the Weavers but I still don't get it with the White Lady, I also couldn't help but notice it's the only character in the red memory that hornet speaks to, does that have something to do something with the White Lady being conscious about being Dream Nailed?

[silk dirge]

it is angry for some specific reason

[silk dirge]

yes to the last part

[unreal estuary]

She's also the only one who's alive

[dire flame]

Is it tho at the time that Silksong happens?

[unreal estuary]

Most likely, we've never seen HBs die of old age

[edgy barn]

Why would she not be alive

[lone folio]

Probably yeah, no reason for her to be dead

[silver spire]

ppl why is the FOTF arena colored as the same as bellhart

[edgy barn]

It's a giant bell

[unreal estuary]

It's like right above it

[dire flame]

Soo the Red Memory conversation with the White Lady it's an actual conversation with the "actual" white lady and not a memory? or is that something in between a memory and a conversation?

[lone folio]

Because it's a bell

[silver spire]

wait wha t

[silver spire]

yea but its a different area

[silk dirge]

yes its an actual like mind conversation happening in real time

[silk dirge]

fotf is in a bell

[unreal estuary]

Yeah but it's still part of the exposed Bellvein

[silk dirge]

you can find the other side of the bell in underworks

there you can also hear burning bugs praying to it or smth

[silver spire]

ohhhhhhhhh

[dire flame]

We don't know what happens to Hallownest. If the Dream no more ending isthe true ending then yeah there would be no reason for her to be dead, but what if the Embrace the void actually is? the Shade Lord coudld've consumed the entireity of Hallownest or something like that

[lone folio]

Even on the map the arena is the same color as bellhart

[edgy barn]

Silksong does this more than once. You have rooms that are only accessed through a certain area but are technically part of another.

For example Nyleth's room is only accessed through Grand Gate but is still technically part of Shellwood

[dire flame]

Crazy thing, I couldn't make sense of the conversation because it seemed like it was a memory but now it kinda does

[edgy barn]

We have no reason to believe the Shade Lord would do such a thing. If EtV happened we know for sure it is just the Knight because they save Hornet in SoTV.

[dire flame]

Now that I think of it yeah, it also makes a lot of sense for Embrace the void to be the true ending since the Hollow Knight is still alive (?) and he doesn't show up in SoTV, but why does the knight show up as the Void given form in Sister of the Void?

[unreal estuary]

That's why I think DNM is the true ending, because The Knight is there

[edgy barn]

We don't know the answer to that as we don't even actually know which ending is the correct one.

[random aspen]

hk doesnt turn to void in embrace the void to help the knight kill radiance

but dnm he does, so if he ever shows up in ss we'll know exactly which ending is canon

its probably dnm though

honestly thinking thk is just chilling in hallownest all by himself while all his siblings are in pharloom is kinda funny

[unreal estuary]

See I've started to think that ETV was more teasing ideas like the Everbloom, and the cliffhanger ending was mostly to keep people interested for Silksong's announcement

[dire flame]

Yeah I also think that, but then I feel sad because it's very likely that the Hollow Knight is still alive in EtV

[dire flame]

Yeah when I first saw the EtV ending I thought of it more like a "What If?" ending

[unreal estuary]

Yeah, it just feels too big to ignore in Silksong were it to have happened

[random aspen]

i think thk is alive in both dnm and etv

just different forms

[unreal estuary]

I mean yeah Void can't really die it seems

[dire flame]

We know for sure he is alive in both endings, in DNM he is alive as a shade form similar to the void given form or the siblings and in EtV he is actually alive in his physical form free of the control of the Radiance

[unreal estuary]

I think we just need more Void lore, like even in Silksong Act 3 we don't get much development

Like can the Void sustain individual characters like THK and The Knight?

[silk dirge]

we couldve gotten crazy void lore if pharloom was still a living kingdom and conductors were the ones messing with void

[unreal estuary]

It seems like it's almost both a substance and a mind, and it's sort of a unified thing but still has millions of siblings still, and I don't know if that was just from the Pale King or not

[unreal estuary]

Now that would've been cool

[silk dirge]

i like the idea of having mortals trying to mess with void

snail shamans are weird bc they are mortal but they seem to be a lot stronger than your average bug

conductors are just high ranking dudes who would probably not be versed in magic like conductors

[unreal estuary]

It feels like the Shamans spent so much time with Void it's corrupted them

[unreal estuary]

The only thing I wonder though is how they would have reached the Void, they don't seem to have access to Soul magic which the Shamans use to force the Void to action.

Cause their abyss isn't as easily accessible as Hallownest's is

[silk dirge]

i mean they do use silk

and silk is soul in a different form

so that could definitely be part of it

[unreal estuary]

Yeah but only for two things and that was taught by the Weavers

But it could be possible

[silk dirge]

this isnt a super fleshed out idea but its something i want to try to make into a cool alternate story

[unreal estuary]

Yeah no of course

[fresh badger]

Those individuals are a result of the shell imprinting the void within, and we see with the Siblings that over time that imprint fragments and degrades and they gradually revert to base void

[barren beacon]

Why was Shakra's master fat, Age?

[fresh badger]

Double contact damage

[random aspen]

broken vessel dead as hell

[barren beacon]

Damn

[barren beacon]

It's Shade left it's body.

[unreal estuary]

True I forgot about that

[random aspen]

his floating ghost: yoooo

[compact escarp]

So the pilgrim generally uses the bell beast to fast travel before?

[unreal estuary]

So then it is just PK's shells that were able to seal Void inside it, and that just persisted beyond their Shell?

[unreal estuary]

?

[fresh badger]

Siblings are described as a fragments of a lingering will so yea?

[compact escarp]

Just curious how the bell station was build around pharloom except citadel

[random aspen]

i really want it to be etv but its probably dnm 😭

[unreal estuary]

I feel like that was probably pre-Citadel construction or ways for the Choir to go around Pharloom. Remember that the Bellveins have been there since forever basically, and the Bell Beast wasn't always there. They used to travel in carraiges, which would have been how the Citadel bugs got around to prostelatize. They weren

[lethal burrow]

who is controlling the lights?

[unreal estuary]

't in the citadel because they had the Ventrica, and because the Citadel was built on top of Pharloom

There aren't Bellveins in the Citadel

[compact escarp]

I see
Is the bell vein relevant to bellhart by any chances?

[unreal estuary]

Yeah, Bellhart was built out of a massive exposed Bellvein

We still don't know who built all those bells though

[compact escarp]

Woah this info is mindblowing

[unreal estuary]

Here's where it comes from, if you talk to the pilgrim in the Bonebottom bellway

[sinful nimbus]

wghat if the reason there are no vessels in Pharloom is because they are mute and therefore discriminated against by the Citadel

because you'd expect at least one vessel easter egg right?

[barren beacon]

no

Why would there be a singular vessel

Best we get is TK and The Other Vessels doing a Camero,Before Void Given Focus appears and they're fuckin' gone

[sinful nimbus]

Lotta vessels out there

[silk dirge]

hk 3 is gonna be that one vessel hornet killed in greenpath

what did little guy do to hornet to deserve that

[limpid summit]

Greenpath vessel’s hardest boss is going to have to be weaker than Hornet 1

[spark valve]

Vessel cameo would’ve been lame but not that out of place given ss did a fucking lifeblood infection

[limpid summit]

Vessel cameo is going to be THK in DLC

[silk dirge]

knight is fine bc it can take on hornet but killing that little vessel was uncalled for

[limpid summit]

Shade or no Shade it’s appearing

[silk dirge]

idk why you are so certain about this stuff 😭

[limpid summit]

Im 99% certain

[spark valve]

You should feel bad about yourself

[limpid summit]

TC should feel good about themselves

[silk dirge]

earlier today you mentioned wisp thicket being a teaser for nmh which i am not certain about at all considering the wisp lore is actually pretty well known

and it has nothing to do with nmh i think

[limpid summit]

That was me dicking around

[frosty gate]

Y'know, the suffering of the Underworkers is justified just because without their blessed work we wouldn't have that marvelous OST in Choral Chambers

[sinful nimbus]

THK shows up in a Steel Prison for being affiliated with Hornet

[limpid summit]

You want something I’m sure about?

[silk dirge]

savage beastfly lore?

[limpid summit]

Post Pantheon of the Knight cutscene is what Pale King saw in his foresight

[silk dirge]

interesting

[spark valve]

Kids these days just aren’t raised with any sense of shame

[limpid summit]

It was all worth it Loam

[silk dirge]

anyways i cant believe savage beastfly lore actually makes me feel kinda bad for it

[limpid summit]

How is this not tuff

[silk dirge]

bro had his great grandparents killed by skarr

[limpid summit]

Did I miss Savage Beastfly lore

[silk dirge]

ofc hes kinda angry

[limpid summit]

Oh the elder beastfly?

[thorny pendant]

Was the silk fly that freed hornet from her cage sent by lace?

[limpid summit]

Yeah I didn’t even register it was a Beastfly when I played

[sinful nimbus]

Tuff
looks inside
godmaster

[silk dirge]

the corpse inside the chapel of the beast is a beastfly ancestor

[spark valve]

Probably

[limpid summit]

That cutscene is tuff

[silk dirge]

and the savage beastfly is trying to break through to it

[limpid summit]

Everything in godmaster besides Eternal Ordeal LBB and P5 is tuff

[silk dirge]

i think the most likely theory is it was killed by skarr and kept as a trophy or worship object

[limpid summit]

That sounds sound

I like that

[silk dirge]

im glad we actually know what the object in chapel of the beast is now tho

since i think a lot of people were trying to figure that out but im surprised no one made the connection to savage beastfly earlier

[limpid summit]

What if the wrapped up body that we get Wanderer’s Crest from is a Vessel

[silk dirge]

the eyes are the same except it has a second pair, the head shape is the same, etc

[limpid summit]

Yeah the stomach lining difference is there

[silk dirge]

now i am curious whats up with the savage beastfly in far fields

since that one doesnt seem to give a shit

mainly this needolin line is interesting bc it sounds like the corpse is calling out to all beastflies

[limpid summit]

Can we start saying ND dialogue as a reverse of DN dialogue

Is the ND dialogue the same for both beastflies

Seems like it is

[silk dirge]

i believe so

[manic pewter]

neurodivergent dialogue

[silk dirge]

me

[limpid summit]

This thing fr seems smart 😭

[silk dirge]

also of note is the fact the hunter journal entry mentions savage beastfly as being "angered"

meaning it wasnt just an enemy that attacked hornet out of instinct

[limpid summit]

Beastflies have the normal dialogue

[silk dirge]

it was angry about something

[limpid summit]

Maybe they have sort of a pack mentality or seniority

[silk dirge]

usually when i say beastfly i mean savage beastfly

[limpid summit]

They get smarter as they age

No yeah

[silk dirge]

the little dudes are cute tho

i like how they bump into eachother

[edgy nebula]

whos the most evil character in skong

[limpid summit]

Why doesn’t Lost Garm have Needolin dialogue

[silk dirge]

also more savage beastfly lore

savage beastfly = sbf = sam bankman fried

[edgy nebula]

hes dead

[manic pewter]

He talks quite a bit for a dead guy

[edgy nebula]

he said "let us rest for awhile, zaza" and dropped dead

[limpid summit]

Lace I’m sorry

[barren beacon]

Is the Huntress a hunter, or is that just her name

[limpid summit]

She’s genuinely the worst and doesn’t deserve the ending she gets

[edgy nebula]

she hunts yes

[barren beacon]

Yup

[silk dirge]

vog

[edgy nebula]

she isnt downright evil though

[limpid summit]

Ok straight evil I mean

[manic pewter]

Wait i thought we were talking during the fight

[edgy nebula]

im wanting evil unlovable asshole

[limpid summit]

Toss up between Weavers and Conductors we don’t know who did what

[silk dirge]

vog knew the locations of all fleas and decided to sit her ass down in putrified ducts

[edgy nebula]

oh were we?

[silk dirge]

instead of actually trying to save any fleas

and then she charges hornet for the locations

and also cheats at flea dodge

kratt is bad but vog is worse

[limpid summit]

Yeah vog and kratt are both pretty bad

[edgy nebula]

i was thinking groal or something ngl

[limpid summit]

But I like Vog’s design and voice

[silk dirge]

yeah

[limpid summit]

Groal is an annoying section 8 loser

[dire lynx]

weavers

[limpid summit]

You can’t even excuse his actions because he was slighted and generationally doomed yes but a powerful dude came to ally with him and he ate the guy

[silk dirge]

also varga is racist lol

[limpid summit]

Caravan is a sundown town

“Stay out if you aren’t a flea”

[silk dirge]

nah mooshka is cool

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah the random wordy archaic nonsense Godseeker spews is tuff

[limpid summit]

Godseeker IS tuff

Getting to blow her up is valid

[manic pewter]

seth tho

[sinful nimbus]

Oh my god she's jumping Seth 😭

[edgy nebula]

"hate isnt the answer to this!"

"hate? hate!?"

groal also strings up corpses and traps pilgrims in weird bags

[sinful nimbus]

Like you wouldn't eat a snail shaman

[edgy nebula]

hes evil

[silk dirge]

new theory groal is french

[edgy nebula]

groal seems new jerseyan

[silk dirge]

he made snail shaman escargot

[sinful nimbus]

That's two examples in two unrelated kingdoms of a Snail Shaman being eaten, maybe everyone is inherently inclined to eat their powers

[limpid summit]

Did he actually eat the guy

[edgy nebula]

no

[sinful nimbus]

No we see their corpse

[limpid summit]

I feel like he took the shell cracked it and ate it then covered the head in moss

[silk dirge]

maybe this is just france and the bugs really want that escargot

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[edgy nebula]

maybe the soul but not the shaman himself

why does he even spit it out

[silk dirge]

also which shaman got eaten in hallownest

[edgy nebula]

he doesnt even seem negatively affected by soul, is he like a supergenius

[dire lynx]

im guessing it was in reference to the one we consume for shade soul and descending dark

[limpid summit]

Is the spell actually another Vengeful Spirit or is it like the Anguished Aura we see in the chapel

[edgy nebula]

anguished aura?

[limpid summit]

The spell stuff in the chapel with the weird ingredients list “Anguished Aura” and “Flickering Flame” as new shaman spells

[edgy nebula]

it could be anguished aura, but lookswise it is straight up just vengeful spirit without the eyes, with the same function aswell

[limpid summit]

True

Soul Master WAS better than Groal

He let the whole gang eat

[edgy nebula]

groal's cooler ngl

[limpid summit]

Groal was embroiled in a whole ass racial conflict and the only soul spell he ate

[edgy nebula]

his lore is far more engaging and lowkey deeper imo

[dire lynx]

groal and soul master would hate each other if they met, which i find so amusing because they are "the spellcaster" bosses

[limpid summit]

Swirling, pale flame...
Oh this is his ND dialogue

[fathom hill]

fun

[limpid summit]

Does this refer to the spell?

[edgy nebula]

probably soul in general

[limpid summit]

I do like the Stilkin lore

But SM is underrated for sure

[random aspen]

soul master was abhorrent bro 💔

"Once a highly intelligent bug, deformed by the misuse of soul." he just let em turn into ts 😭

[manic pewter]

noooo dont bring up base hollow knight lore that guy will report us to the mods again /j

[random aspen]

someone did that? you deadass cant talk about most of silksong without mentioning some hk 🥀

[limpid summit]

The BUG was deformed

Genuine skill issue

SM didn’t do anything

[barren beacon]

So is Fayforn a higher being

[silk dirge]

no

tho i am curious where the mount fay snow came from

[cunning wigeon]

He funny bird

[edgy barn]

Not enough evidence to say it is one.

[barren beacon]

do we have it's gender yet

[cedar owl]

it's a pseudo-legendary ice-flying type

[barren beacon]

So Galarian Articuno, Gotcha

[cunning wigeon]

Nah

[manic pewter]

yeah lol it was hilarious

[cedar owl]

he's straight

[manic pewter]

Thats....not a gender

[cunning wigeon]

Close enough

[manic pewter]

Yeah ill run with that why not

[edgy barn]

I had the theory that Mount Fay is what all of Pharloom would look like if not for all the magma at the botton center but the surface debunks it.

[random aspen]

straight? in my silksong?

which abyss do yall think is deeper

[manic pewter]

I think theyre both part of the same abyss

[cunning wigeon]

Maybe the abyss is just everywhere once you dig deep enough

[edgy barn]

I am choosing to believe the Void Sea has a consistent level.

[edgy barn]

That seems to be the case.

[silver spire]

anyone see the connection

[gentle aspen]

No

[cunning wigeon]

Both are representations of someone in the dream realm?

[fringe rampart]

the seer's dialogue is also basically the exact same

[silver spire]

^^^

[fringe rampart]

it was one of the first things I thought of when seeing that, but I assumed it was common knowledge ngl

[edgy barn]

I see what you mean but what are you trying to prove exactly?

[silver spire]

nothing, its just something i noticed xd

[edgy barn]

oh alright

[silk dirge]

yup i definitely saw it

[pseudo raptor]

So did Herrah get body mods to deal with the weaver painful birthing problem and that's why she doesn't look like a stick

[edgy nebula]

i wish the burning bugs had some type of reaction to you using wispfire lantern

maybe make it so they dont kill themselves if you have it on or something

[slow locust]

Nothing suggests that she modified her body to give hornet or that it got modified when she gave birth

[barren beacon]

Retcons

[slow locust]

we never see a pre-hornet herrah

[silver spire]

arent weavers all female

and thats why they cant birth

idk, i heard that somewhere

[barren beacon]

Ye

At least they all refer to eachother as sisters

It's possibly Hybrid Males exists

[slow locust]

nope

they can but it's difficult asf

possibly most of them die when trying

[silver spire]

because... they're female? or what kind of reproduction do they do

[edgy nebula]

no (image by morelorethenthereseems)

[slow locust]

they can reproduce with other species

[silver spire]

okay so basically they can't reproduce among themselves

[pseudo raptor]

I guess retcon might be the best explanation then

[silver spire]

then we're not in disagreement

[slow locust]

yeah because we've never seen a male weaver

[barren beacon]

Were there no Male Pharlids or sum

Or did GMS just have something against Male Pharlids / Wanted only daughters

[slow locust]

reverse mysogny

[barren beacon]

Damn

[manic pewter]

someone said it was a jurassic park situation type thing

[slow locust]

she also made lace a she 😭

[barren beacon]

And my wife Phantom a she too

[barren beacon]

Oh so she was afraid they could Overthrow her if thye began breeding like crazy, I get it

[dire lynx]

GMS just appears to have wanted daughters

[barren beacon]

Why

[slow locust]

they/them pronouns are used in the journal and the needolin it's probably phamton talking to lace

[manic pewter]

and we know white lady was an incessant breeder

[barren beacon]

Fr?

Damn

[slow locust]

Mournful creature tasked alone to expel the Citadel's choking refuse. Their talent with a longpin is unmatched.
Though grey with age, their frayed form suggested a being strung from Silk, one who welcomed a decisive end in combat over a slow decline.

[barren beacon]

Phantom my spouse then

[edgy nebula]

hornet just uses they/them pronouns for most bosses journal entires

groal and lugoli are both referred with they/them

[barren beacon]

Hornet is afraid to misgender bugs, cuz she's nice

[random aspen]

i wish phantom had a bigger role

[barren beacon]

She doesn't use slurs such as "Shaw" anymore

[slow locust]

she's withering 😭

[manic pewter]

nonbinary legends

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-second-sentinel-senti-gif-10016499270778379464

[random aspen]

also wish second sentinel had a bigger role

allat heart stuff just for a pretty basic boss

[slow locust]

"allat dreamers stuff jsut fo a pretty basic boss"

[random aspen]

what does second sentinel even do

theyre like hornet from hallownest yep

[mighty oyster]

I thought they would be the second to last boss when first seeing the trailer, but boy I was wrong

[slow locust]

but worse

[random aspen]

cool ass design for what

[sacred heath]

they kill people

fr?

I’m actually curious

[manic pewter]

teehee

[random aspen]

twelfth architect corpse is the perfect place for a memory boss fight for a harder fourth chorus or second sentinel i hope they do that and give us more lore on the architect stuff

1st chorus 1st sentinel 🤑

[manic pewter]

WAIT WTF WHYD I GET A WARNING FOR THAT

[vestal swan]

First symphony and it's just all the powered off robots coming after you

[manic pewter]

ppl have said SO much more out of pocket stuff

[vestal swan]

Then report it or be quiet I don't care

[elder rune]

First Symphony? You mean V1 Ultrakill but if it were in Silksong?

[vestal swan]

No

[elder rune]

Oh oops

[vestal swan]

I mean the kaiju robots, first second and third chorus

Assuming that those are not 5th 6th and 7th chorus

Because if fourth chorus was out killing shit, it would stand to reason the first 3 are decommissioned and that the three in the workshop come after 4

Because they certainly don't look beat up and used

[slow locust]

where's fifth chorus and third sentinel 🥀

[vestal swan]

Third sentinel was never built I think, she had way more predecessors but they were considered something else?

So she's like second sentinel but like the first of the new set?

Also would architect crest technically make Hornet number 13

[slow locust]

but what if there already another architect that died before the 12th

what if there were 2193123129 architects that died

[vestal swan]

They decommissioned and replaced them one at a time you can see all 11 of the old ones where you get the crest I think

Why

How do you think the Pinstress taught the robot that we just put together?

That doesn't line up

[slow locust]

Do you think that every "crest" user already knew the nail arts but

[manic pewter]

what, we just reactivated it

[slow locust]

different ones so that's why hornet uses different nail arts when having different crests

[manic pewter]

it was very cool seeing the pinstress use the same x attack second sentinel uses when i first did that fight

[slow locust]

personally i saw the pintress first then the second sentinel

[vestal swan]

I think no because for the most part hornet was taught pin arts, while not having one with her original crest, so each one is just an adaptation of the teaching for each style. So Hornet originals in the school of the pinstress

[slow locust]

maybe they were near the pintresses to see how they fought and forge the best weapon for them

[vestal swan]

Pinstress is a projectile spamming bum so I clung to the wall and did the same

[slow locust]

Do you think the dead relatives of the pintress and the shamans are more powerful than their alive kin?

well they died for a reason but most of them were because they were in more dangerous zones compared to the others

[edgy barn]

Pinmasters forge and mantain pins, they aren't warriors themselves.

[slow locust]

they are where they're needed

[edgy nebula]

wait a second, was the putrified ducts pinstress killed by vog?

[slow locust]

she was killed by the citadel most probably

[edgy barn]

The dead shaman is specifically pointed out to have been powerful, so you might be onto something.

[vestal swan]

There's dead pinstresses? I did not notice any bodies

[edgy nebula]

vog says her home in putrified ducts was fought fair and earned

[vestal swan]

Shaman's by themselves are more powerful than your average bug

[edgy nebula]

the dead pisntress in ducts

[barren beacon]

Yall shaw is like an insult, right?

[edgy barn]

There's one in Putrifed Ducts, the spot you get the anti-maggot tool at.

[edgy nebula]

image by morelorethenthereseems

[slow locust]

there's oen that you can hear with needolin

[vestal swan]

Ahhh

I didn't even notice that was a pinstress

I thought the house looked familiar but my brain did not connect the dots

[edgy barn]

I did notice the dead bug when I first found it but not that it as a pinstress.

[slow locust]

the bilewater enemies (idk the name) seem to much like that pintress tho

they are green and with a big ass nose

[vestal swan]

I love needolin lore but to get all the dialogue out of an area you need to actually have a lot of silk on you all the time and that pisses me off

[stuck berry]

i wonder why seamstress built her house to look like her

[lethal burrow]

❌

[edgy barn]

couldn't be the GOAT dream nail.

[edgy nebula]

i tohught you made it??

[lethal burrow]

i didn't make shit lol i just found it

[stuck berry]

thieves in the lore channel

[vestal swan]

Imagine

[lethal burrow]

*vault keepers

[vestal swan]

Wait so who do y'all think killed that one in the swamp House

[edgy barn]

Sin commited, absolution not granted, penance by swallowing.

[edgy nebula]

citadel, vog, or died by the elements

[vestal swan]

Who's vog

[sinful nimbus]

Tired of your needolin constantly getting canceled? Want to jam out with Sherma for an hour? Try this one simple trick that the Conductors DON'T want you to know!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8J3-wk4GOo

[vestal swan]

Funny but I'm not doing all that

[stuck berry]

either one of the stilkin came as revenge for working the citadel or the citadel sent a hit out on her

they did send a chorus after seamstress

[edgy barn]

I don't think she died from the elements, she is precisely holding an item to better survive the elements.

[edgy barn]

I do wonder why nobody came looking for the chorus.

[stuck berry]

why would vog kill her if she was anything like the other two she doesn't seem hostile

[edgy barn]

Those don't look cheap

[covert tusk]

Wait so are they all stilkin then??

[stuck berry]

it served it's purpose

[slow locust]

With the n ew knowledge we have about the lifeblood what do you think is the abyss creature in hollow knight?

[covert tusk]

Either an ancient beast that got infected with lifeblood, or the more likely answer: its source

[edgy barn]

I have heard this theory but don't really agree. The pintresses all seem to have common bug shells (as in, the segmented mid section) while the stilkin have these all black looking bodies.

[stuck berry]

the noses though

[covert tusk]

What I’m curious about is the link between Lifeblood and Void in general
The wormways despite being closer to the abyss, weren’t affected at all by the black threads, instead they were completely lifeblooded out

And of course the lifeblood door in the abyss

[stuck berry]

i never considered the lifeblood abyss room could be a dream

[slow locust]

lifeblood dreamed that creature?

[stuck berry]

maybe I'm a bad person

[slow locust]

also that the only non mutated wormways creatures

never get infected by void

[sinful nimbus]

If you don't recognize essence particles and clouds then you probably hate puppies and orphans

[covert tusk]

True true, but then If the pinstress and seamstress are siblings, and by proxy the dead green one, why were they stilkin? It couldn’t be a disguise since there’s no other stilkin in the ducts

[slow locust]

for all we know there's only 2 dream "realms"

well explicity stated

[stuck berry]

lowkey nepotism how all the pinmasters sans horner came from the same family

[covert tusk]

What even is the lifeblood creature, or more specifically, how did a creature from the abyss become so centered around such an opposite force down there

[covert tusk]

The humble Nail Masters:

[stuck berry]

their leader was some other guy

[slow locust]

I always though that since the pale king made drinking lifeblood a taboo he trapped the creature in the abyss

[edgy barn]

Are the pinstresses biological sisters or are they sisters in the same way that members of a congregation would be?

[slow locust]

probably the 2nd

[stuck berry]

then why do they look similar

am i being racist

[edgy barn]

yes

[stuck berry]

wow I'm literally hornet irl

[slow locust]

Is like seeing monks and thinking they're blood related 😭

[unreal nimbus]

from how the pinstress' face goes flat when she cloaks i think their faces might be a part o their cloaks

[sinful nimbus]

From her home, her dress, and her skill, I am guessing you share some relation?
Aye. Met my sister, you did, in order at least.

Yeah not through blood but rather they're of the same order

[edgy barn]

What are you trying to show where is gms.

[sinful nimbus]

Pinstress is like Sheo

(I don't like Sheo)

[unreal nimbus]

ooh

hot take there

[stuck berry]

you're thinking of oro

oro is the bad one

[edgy barn]

GMS doesn't have horns. At what point of the binding does this frame happen exactly?

[sinful nimbus]

No

Sheo and Oro both suck Mato is the only good one

[edgy barn]

are you sure this isn't some weird light effect

[stuck berry]

can you take a screenshot from a video with the timestamp in the ahh i see it

[slow locust]

Sheo is the painter and the one that is the best of them all

[stuck berry]

phantom-head looking ass

[sinful nimbus]

Sheo calls you a grub the moment you meet him

He's also a pretentious art student

[edgy barn]

Yeah but it also shows that it does not look like Hornet's horns.

[stuck berry]

she doesn't its the light and silk obscuring more of her face

gms would have a better design if they gave her huge salubra lips

so we know it's a woman

i want that cheese so fucking bad

[vital ruin]

Wouldnt be called Grand "Mother" Silk if it wasnt 😂

[stuck berry]

maybe it's metaphorical

[edgy barn]

The first image is a more obscured by light version of the second, if you look closely you will notice.

[covert night]

metaphorical mother silk

[stuck berry]

grand metaphor silk

[edgy barn]

"Her silken sight""

[stuck berry]

says nothing about motherhood nice try buddy

[dire lynx]

fell for the bait

[edgy barn]

what bait

[dire lynx]

their ragebait

[stuck berry]

i don't know this person

[edgy barn]

Ah, no I know it's not serious.

[vital ruin]

“Our mother’s threads bind us both, little princess.”
-Lace

[edgy barn]

Look at the way GMS's head is angled in the earlier image and then at this one. If those were Hornet-style horns, they wouldn't be pointing in the directiom they are.

[dire lynx]

her mask isnt turning into anything

no, its been exposed from under the silk, the shape doesnt change at all

i wouldnt call them horns, and i dont think thes "hiding" them on purpose, but yes

[pseudo raptor]

I've seen this compared toPhantom's head

Fraying

[stuck berry]

how do you know she's talking about gms though

[edgy barn]

She is not bending over, her head is pointed upwards and her chin is pointing to the left. If those were Hornet-style horns, they should be pointing in the opposite direction of her shin, which she is not.

[kindred trellis]

I have an Idea

[stuck berry]

could be moss mother for all you know

[stuck berry]

grug crood said this iirc

[kindred trellis]

What if Team Cherry added a godhome DLC. Then Godhome should probably be engulfed in void.

[stuck berry]

i think the boss rush mode shouldn't have to do with the godseekers

go into hornet's own memories if anything

[dire lynx]

Welcome to #sk-lore where we are either arguing over the same three questions or ragebaiting for no reason!

[kindred trellis]

I made some “Voidbound Godhome” concept art

Idk

[stuck berry]

it's cool conceptually but it wouldn't work

[edgy barn]

Hey guys why is Herrah fat.

[kindred trellis]

True

[stuck berry]

if dnm is canon then godseeker is stuck in the waterworks, if etv is canon she's probably dead in hallownest

[vital ruin]

“Face the holy mother who would fashion so cruel and crude a daughter as me.”

why wouldnt you think shes not a mother? although all hints is directing her of being one

[stuck berry]

there's probably another mother character we haven't met that they're saving for dlc

but as it stands there is no conclusive evidence

[vital ruin]

Evidence give us lore that there is another one?

[edgy barn]

Those are two different forms.

[stuck berry]

I'm speculating just like you are

[mystic fiber]

uhhmmmmm

[vital ruin]

Then the evidence that were seeing already that grand mother silk isnt a mother?
bruh what logic you cooking

[mystic fiber]

snare setter room btw

[edgy barn]

Bro fell for the bait.

[stuck berry]

in the text they never said her name followed by "is the mother" so

[dire lynx]

we need a mod just for this channel to time out ragebaiters for 69 seconds

[stuck berry]

6 7 seconds would be preferable

[vital ruin]

Bruh who else in the game has mother in their name 😭

[dire lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/67-gif-8575841764206736991

[stuck berry]

moss mother

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/darkest-dungeon-gif-23184588

[unreal nimbus]

huntress has kids

i think

[vital ruin]

How would that one relate to Lace 🤣

[dire lynx]

gruzz mother

[unreal nimbus]

moss mother has silk

[muted lantern]

what is the debate even

[unreal nimbus]

lace has silk

[vital ruin]

This point your definitely rage baiting

[dire lynx]

ragebait

[vital ruin]

GMS not being lace's daughter

[stuck berry]

true! the beastling call collection refers to her as a mother, and she is seen with a silk heart just like lace is. maybe the bellbeast is lace's mother

[muted lantern]

uh

[vital ruin]

Yeh at this point its definitely rage baiting 😂

[dire lynx]

its ragebait

[muted lantern]

uh

[unreal nimbus]

aera has been mothering the final boss??

[stuck berry]

the unravelled is likely lace's father

[edgy barn]

I am talking about the forms the Knight adopts in DnM and EtV.

[stuck berry]

being made of silk and having another heart and all

[vital ruin]

Yeh i'll accept that lace was made from Gms, Raised by Gruzz mother and trained by the Moss mother

[stuck berry]

cinematic parallels to hornet

[unreal nimbus]

*made from bell beast

[muted lantern]

are yall dumb, everyone knows that laces real mother is lace

[random aspen]

its more of a flash, like hes not actually turning into its hinting that he might or he can

[muted lantern]

lacetosis

[mystic fiber]

lace's mommy is clearly hornet

[muted lantern]

thats why we can kill her twice

[unreal nimbus]

no gms mother is lace

[sinful nimbus]

Hey guys I've discovered that behind her hair, GMS has the same horns Phantom has and therefore Lace very likely too has the same black horns. I feel like prometheus giving fire to humanity

[muted lantern]

its a new lace each time

[dire lynx]

late by like 10 minutes

[vital ruin]

My god, its a Lace paradox

[sinful nimbus]

WHAWT

[stuck berry]

now if gms was called big mama stringshawty then I'd be able to buy it

[sinful nimbus]

Well whatever I brought the visual approximation

[random aspen]

unless he can turn back into little baby knight form its dnm

[stuck berry]

I've been saying thjs

is phantom bald

[muted lantern]

did you guys know that lace actually made the radiance

[muted lantern]

yes, thats their skull

[stuck berry]

wow

[muted lantern]

Nuu is actually unns daughter

[random aspen]

void given focus and he cant even stop the tendrils from attacking hornet

[vital ruin]

Every lore here is relevant take note guys

Pablo was the real MC this entire time

[edgy nebula]

mottled skarr solos everything

[charred nimbus]

Did you guys saw that beast crest is a reference to pale king?

[lime bison]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[unreal nimbus]

what are we at? bell beast > lace > lace 2 > lost lace > radiance?

[random aspen]

its like 70% dnm

[stuck berry]

studying lugoli's cannibalistic tendencies in vain hopes to understand the ancient void civilization

[vital ruin]

Zote is making a come back in Silksong as the new Monarch

[muted lantern]

I think we shouldn't criticize lugioli until we start eating people

[kindred trellis]

What conversation did I stumble Into

[vital ruin]

Also Shade lord isnt real

[lime bison]

If hornet was trained by the bee lady, the beast crest should be a reference to her, not the pale king

[muted lantern]

don't knock it till you try it

[unreal nimbus]

waiting for zote is related to garmond

[random aspen]

you dont know if the knight can freely turn into the shade lord whenever he wants, its more likely the ending where he doesnt turn into it is the actual ending

[muted lantern]

zote is garmonds father

[stuck berry]

what if herrah was made of dough and we called her herrah the yeast

[muted lantern]

this is canon

[dire lynx]

just a bunch of trolling, no actual lore being discussed rn

[unreal nimbus]

lies

[muted lantern]

they confirmed it in the bread dlc

[random aspen]

theyre flashes bubba

hes not actually turning into the shade lord, he IS the shade lord but he hasnt transformed into it

[muted lantern]

could the pale king do a backflip?

[unreal nimbus]

into a buzzsaw

[stuck berry]

crown breaks

[random aspen]

are the tendrils distinctly different from the tendrils you see everywhere

[muted lantern]

would he get stuck in the ground if he messed up?

[unreal nimbus]

yeah

[muted lantern]

like a lawn dart

[unreal nimbus]

but thats what the buzz saw is for

[edgy barn]

I do wonder how Zote and Hornet would interact. Maybe the Knight was in fact hollow because only a being with no mind would be able to put up with Zote.

[muted lantern]

do you think the white palace had forks shaped like pks head

[unreal nimbus]

100%

[random aspen]

if we see thk in any dlc we'll know for a fact which ending it is, since hk has different forms for two of the endings and trust me i want it to be etv more than dnm but dnm is more likely

[muted lantern]

etv seems more likely due to the fact thks shade is noticably absent from that scene

[random aspen]

give me some time to type bubbalicious

[random aspen]

not enough proof

[muted lantern]

i have proof but it's a spoiler

[random aspen]

spoilers are allowed

[muted lantern]

no but its like a big spoiler, like one the fandom hasnt seen

[random aspen]

are they different than the ones all the lost guys use to attack

[muted lantern]

alright i'll post the spoiler but don't tell anyone

[random aspen]

yeah i dont care show us

[random aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-3284201032904258120

[stuck berry]

which is why thk will not show up at all because tc lovess their ambiguities

[random aspen]

dnm and etv still theres just not enough proof for any of them

[muted lantern]

both are equally possible

[sinful nimbus]

Its not like every shade shows up there

[random aspen]

you can try to convince me its etv but its more likely to be dnm

[random aspen]

yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Idk why you'd lean one way or the other

[random aspen]

we just hope thk appears

[limpid summit]

Not a contradiction

[sinful nimbus]

Then what's the point

[limpid summit]

The point

[sinful nimbus]

The point of my blade I'm stabbing you

[stuck berry]

you guys think they could fix up the ghost's shell stick it's shade in there and patch it up with a bandaid

[muted lantern]

I cant wait for thk to show up and say "it's hollowing time" and shoot hornet in the head

[stuck berry]

Ha! I think that enemy got, the point!

[muted lantern]

glitter glue

[dire lynx]

i dont see any reason to think it is DNM over EtV

[muted lantern]

I think evil skeleton ending is more likely to be canon

you posted this already

[random aspen]

im saying me personally i think its dnm but theyre both possible 💔 🥀

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-silksong-dance-hornet-dance-hornet-silksong-gif-3654151901745923854

theres not really sufficient evidence either way, theres minor evidence in favor of both tho

[random aspen]

yeah

proof its etv is smaller than you think

[stuck berry]

opinion vs objective point

[dire lynx]

the way they said it originally was not worded like an opinion

[stuck berry]

idk i just got here

[random aspen]

i think its dnm cus etv it turns into the shade lord but in sotv the knight is just in his normal void form

[muted lantern]

i thought my evidence was pretty illuminating but again it's a big spoiler

[random aspen]

theres flashes of shade lord hinting it but thats just telling you the knight is the shade lord which we already knew

nothing burger

[dire lynx]

shade lord only exists in godhome ending

[random aspen]

we dont even know if the knight can turn into the shade lord outside of godhome

[dire lynx]

then how is that evidence for DNM, shade lord could arguably turn back to the knight

[random aspen]

just some tendrils bro

[muted lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rowing-boat-simpsons-bart-circles-gif-11058204610634328291

[dire lynx]

no hes saying the attack done to the tendrils is the same as the attack done to the radiance

by the knight/shade lord

i got it straight away 🤷‍♂️

[random aspen]

erm

this is more like it but like

doesnt the shade lord attack with its arms and not some tendrils

hes got like 4 arms hes probably using at least one of them

[dire lynx]

its attacking the tendrils cuh

[random aspen]

ok and then he transforms back into the tiny knight 😭

[dire lynx]

yes, or that is the interpretation i take

[random aspen]

why tho

just for like more recognizability?

for the viewers

[dire lynx]

i would guess so

[dire lynx]

in universe probably for hornets understanding, out of universe for hype moments and aura

[random aspen]

still tho if it was void given focus why would he need to do allat

cant he just command the void to not attack her

is shade lord that much of a bum he cant even control his own things

[dire lynx]

^^^ unclear, though the tendrils that attack hornet at the end seem more like individual entities than others we see

[random aspen]

i used to be a etv believer btw

but i got called stupid

now i dont know what to think

[dire lynx]

believe whatever you like most, TC are the final arbiters

[random aspen]

just show us the hollow knight 😭

if all dlcs are done and we dont see thk at all ill believe its etv cus why else would he not

[dire lynx]

trust he will be the playable of the third and final installation of this trology

how would he get to pharloom, there is no reason for him to appear as anything bar a memory in silksong

[random aspen]

if its dnm hes with the knight

and can just tag along cus hes in his void form

but etv hes still in vessel form so hes just chilling in hallownest i assume all lonely

[errant mica]

he/him hollow knight in the big 2025 🥀 💔

[silver spire]

if its etv, then hornet actually met THK

[random aspen]

im gonna use she her just to piss you off

[errant mica]

jeez what did i do to you?

[silver spire]

in that case, what happened between them squaring up and hornet's capture

[random aspen]

we all know the vessel are it/its

[dire lynx]

who cares what pronouns someone calls a fictional bug

[errant mica]

lets just pray its answered in a dlc 🙏

[silver spire]

did pharloom just snag hornet right under THK's nose

[errant mica]

would you be saying this if i was calling hornet a man?

[dire lynx]

dont care, go ahead

[random aspen]

thk probably like washed asf

[errant mica]

my goat would never

[random aspen]

he lost an arm and he was infected for like a billion years

[silver spire]

yea but even so

[polar fiber]

it isnt confirmed he lost an arm im p sure

[silver spire]

bro has void attacks

that come out when he's weakened

[dire lynx]

it is, he only has one arm in all his sprites

[silver spire]

now they were replaced by infection attacks, but now that the radiance is dead, they should go back to void based attacks

[errant mica]

and i think u can see that its just a stump in some of their sprites

[random aspen]

visually its lowkey gone

[errant mica]

it looks like its almost... limping in ETV, and using its nail as a cane/walking stick

[polar fiber]

yeah its probably gone, but just cos we dont see it doesnt mean its not there

[silver spire]

no? he was clearly dragging his nail behind him like he does with us in our fight

[dire lynx]

in the pure vessel fight you can clearly see his other arm when everything else about the sprites is essentially identical

[silver spire]

either that or just planting it on the ground, we don't get much view of what THK looks like in embrace the void

[mystic fiber]

Karn (the sharpdart weaver) is seems to be one of the weavers who created the snare setter

[random aspen]

why cant i send some images 💔

[errant mica]

don't they all look the same?

[silver spire]

i think all the weavers look like that? its just that theyre in different environments now

[mystic fiber]

no they look different actually

[dire lynx]

?

[silver spire]

well that weaver outline you sent could be one of many different weavers we met

[mystic fiber]

silkspear

[dire lynx]

what, he doesnt appear in any

[random aspen]

that arm dead and gone

[mystic fiber]

dash

[random aspen]

this weaver has the most aura

[mystic fiber]

the one in the void

[random aspen]

that weavr has 0 aura

[mystic fiber]

thread storm

[errant mica]

oh I never noticed that! that's so cool

[scenic shuttle]

I FIGURED OUT HOW HORNET GETS THE DELICATE FLOWER FROM THE WHITE LADY In hollow knight you can show the white lady the flower and she knows its power and she is still alive unlock those in the other memories so she uses her pale power to summon it

Or smth

[mystic fiber]

wall climb

[random aspen]

white ladies powers are so confusing

whats she even do

what more do you need

[scenic shuttle]

Well in p5 in the first game the godseeker mentions that the white lady is powerful but she is constricting herself

[vestal swan]

She does not conjure flowers

[polar fiber]

wouldnt hornet have summoned it?

[scenic shuttle]

Red dream

[vestal swan]

Hornet didn't do that either

She pulled it from a memory

[scenic shuttle]

It comes from the WL in the dream

[vestal swan]

No

[scenic shuttle]

Look

That’s the flower in her “hands?”

[vestal swan]

The shamans activated the spell and it cost their lives, Hornet didn't conjure it

[vestal swan]

She didn't make it

[silver spire]

silk spear

[scenic shuttle]

I said she gave it to hornet not that she made it?

[errant mica]

guys. guys. three snails cast a spell on hornet and she wakes up with a flower. you cant science this.

[mystic fiber]

i've mentioned it

[vestal swan]

I was correcting somebody who said that she did so I don't know why you replied then

[scenic shuttle]

Oh ok

[silver spire]

yea, logically idk how ts works lmao

[edgy nebula]

do we think groal is actually heroic and trying to save bilewater or is he just prideful and doing it for himself

[errant mica]

mhm, speculative stuff on like, how lifeblood ACTUALLY works for example could be an interesting thought experiment but actually arguing how hornet took something out of a memory is.... not it

[scenic shuttle]

Maybe the snail shamans focused soul to find the only living being with memory of the flower? That being WL and they had to go through hornets memories to find that being which is why oro or elderbug wouldn’t appear

[vestal swan]

Pridefull they killed people that could have helped them

[errant mica]

maybe he did try to save them, but got power hungry and lost sight of what he wanted to do

[vestal swan]

It's hornets memory??

[scenic shuttle]

Yes I meant hornets memory

[random aspen]

thats like a more interesting theory on how he became "great"

i just thought people worshipped him cus he ate a shaman and got powers

groal is good theory wya

[errant mica]

huh... maybe they went through the bugs closest to hornet until they found one was alive? though im not sure why they'd need them to be alive if its a memory anyway

[edgy nebula]

To be fair, itd make sense he’d be untrusting

[errant mica]

i wonder what happened to the bilewater pinstress. do you guys have any theories about her?

[scenic shuttle]

Dunno if that part is removed it would make just as much sense it being white lady since you know she is a higher being has seen the flower is a “plant” kinda sorta

[vestal swan]

There's untrusting and then killing everybody who comes into your area

[scenic shuttle]

Groal probably

[edgy nebula]

i wonder how groal figured out he could harness soul

[vestal swan]

They didn't need somebody to be alive it's a memory, hornet just needed to find a flower in her memory

[edgy nebula]

he seems like a normwl bug and the soal doesnt seem to tske that big a toll on him either

maybe it just causes his chronic eyebags

[vestal swan]

Soul only fucked up the sanctum because they did it wrong, horribly wrong

[scenic shuttle]

Yeah but it still makes sense it’s white lady tho

[edgy nebula]

howd groal know to do it right though

he isnt even very advanced

[errant mica]

they forced too much inside. i like the headcanon that groal still grew inside from the souls power, though

[scenic shuttle]

True maybe he got lucky or some shit he used his suck ability and sucked the soul out or smth

[vestal swan]

No not really, she's just the third one. Anybody in her memory could have had one of those flowers at one point, could have been a character we never met

[errant mica]

similar to how the soul master 'inflates'

[vestal swan]

Groal doesn't deflate tho he didn't do what they did

He's just naturally huge

[edgy nebula]

i wonder why groal cant summon soul and instead spits it out

[vestal swan]

???

[edgy nebula]

cause the soul guys just summon it out of thin air

[scenic shuttle]

How? As far as we know only one other bug knows of the flower for sure and that is zemer

[vestal swan]

Tk knows, elderbug, uhh

[polar fiber]

godseeker

[vestal swan]

yeah them, but they are in limbo at the moment we don't know if they're dead

[edgy nebula]

The soul sanctum bugs summon soul orbs, groal spits it out from his body

[vestal swan]

Hornet might not have met them

[limpid summit]

SM was terrible and stupid but he did at least understand the science behind soul use

[scenic shuttle]

Yeah and we don’t know if hornet ever met elderbug

[vestal swan]

Dif spell

[limpid summit]

Groal didn’t

And yeah the soul orbs are like a weaker spell

[vestal swan]

Apple that is so backwards of a statement I don't even know where to start

[limpid summit]

Wdym no

[edgy nebula]

thing is groal did everything right soulwise

[dire lynx]

anyone know the bilewater shamans needolin dialogue?

[limpid summit]

He understood how to manipulate soul once he took it from the shaman

[edgy nebula]

Doesnt have any

i tried in my second playthrough, nada

[limpid summit]

He uses DD well

[dire lynx]

shame

[vestal swan]

He uses a spell he stole that's not really an understanding

It's like copy pasting

Not to mention we have no idea what he managed to learn without the radiances influence

[limpid summit]

Teleportation was probably him

It doesn’t give off particles

[vestal swan]

The common spell they use is also something she uses

[edgy nebula]

yeah radiance could very well just be using her own spell

[limpid summit]

It’s a more refined use of the spell than Groal just spitting it at you that’s undeniable

[edgy nebula]

groal’s use of soul is undoubtedly sparingly

[scenic shuttle]

Why does groals vengeful spirit spell not have a face like the first game

[edgy nebula]

he only uses it halfway into the fight and most of his time with soul was probably spent learning, given the soul capsules and unused seekers soul

[limpid summit]

Probably just that

[edgy nebula]

probably not specifically vengeful spirit, and instead a miscellaneous fireball

[vestal swan]

Because it's not a vengeful spirit

[scenic shuttle]

But it looks the same other than no face

[limpid summit]

He doesnt use it well and its not a complete spirit

[vestal swan]

It's just a mass of soul fired from his own body

It's not a formed spell like anything else we see

[scenic shuttle]

So he just is essentially doing what primal aspids do

[vestal swan]

No

That's bodily acid

[scenic shuttle]

But soul just spitting it like bile bugs acid

[edgy nebula]

id say groal is better at using soul than the sanctum bugs

[vestal swan]

He's spitting out his life force as a projectile

[elder rune]

Soul Master is the superior mage since his magical projectiles can home in upon foes, he’s capable of using the Desolate Dive, and also has the ability to teleport. Plus, he built an entire institution researching magic, and he managed to do a damn fine job considering all of his pupils have teleportation & homing projectiles as basic moves!

[edgy nebula]

he didnt go around killing millions of bugs after finding the shaman, he uses it sparingly, and seemingly actually sat and learned about it

[scenic shuttle]

Yeah essentially just doing what bile bugs do when they spit but instead of the acid it’s soil

[edgy nebula]

yeah, groal eats dirt

[limpid summit]

Groal?

[vestal swan]

Self tauch technique> Stolen spell + radiance spell

[edgy nebula]

yes

[vestal swan]

Teleportation is also like the most common form of magic next to flight

[limpid summit]

Are we fr arguing Groal is a better spellcaster than Soul Master

[vestal swan]

Ye

[limpid summit]

Yes Rad gave him magic

[vestal swan]

Soul fraud

[edgy nebula]

not a better spellcaster, just better at not misusing soul

[limpid summit]

She doesn’t give just everyone magic

They both misuse soul

[scenic shuttle]

Guys what yall think happened to that one weaver you see after exiting weavers nest

[elder rune]

Is it? ‘Cus if that were the case then WTF can’t Ghost use teleportation!?

[limpid summit]

Groal is just already fat

[edgy nebula]

not really

[limpid summit]

How are we downscaling teleportation

[edgy nebula]

groal uses it very sparingly

[limpid summit]

Groal just floats

[vestal swan]

Groal didn't misuse soul? He drained the shaman but he did not take that soul

Doesn't groal have wings

[elder rune]

The agenda & ignoring of logic ig

[edgy nebula]

yes

[dire lynx]

he does

[edgy nebula]

he has very tiny baby wings but theyre there

[limpid summit]

Groal is a bitter lunatic who chose to kill the one dude who could help him I don’t think he meticulously understands soul

[vestal swan]

Oh right insert Bee movie script line here

[scenic shuttle]

What happened to that one weaver that exits weaver nest when you leave it in hollow knight

[vestal swan]

They probably died a long ass time ago

[limpid summit]

We don’t know

[elder rune]

Soul Master is just straight up objectively the better user of Soul Magic even if his research isn’t perfect and may or may not have been horribly unethical.

[limpid summit]

Potential weaver

[scenic shuttle]

That would be sick for like one last surviving weaver in a dlc

[edgy nebula]

he probably doesnt fully understand it, but he utilizes it sparingly and didnt go on a mass murdering spree and inflate his brain to learn more

[scenic shuttle]

WAIT WHAT IF THAT WEAVER BECAME WIDOW

[proud harness]

Probably decomposing by now

[vestal swan]

Widow was an og iirc

[elder rune]

Morality does not equal being more skilled at magic.

[scenic shuttle]

Ok

[covert tusk]

Soul Master tortured his snail shaman for research and actually bettered his skills as well as soul research as a whole

Groal got bored 😭

[dire lynx]

we see her in the cradle, she never left pharloom

in needolin

[edgy nebula]

i wonder where those spikes are coming out of.. the skull?

[scenic shuttle]

Didn’t know that

[limpid summit]

Probably the mini skull yeah

[vestal swan]

Probly a crest he made yeah

[proud harness]

Also, what if Hornet's obsession with fluffy things began because she was trained at the Hive?

Bees to be fluffy

[scenic shuttle]

Still would be cool to see the last weaver from that nest in silksong somewhere