sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

My goat could never

[orchid whale]

Do you mean the gradient?

[sinful nimbus]

his guy still has the coolest shading ever

[vestal swan]

HB of bad color palette

[sinful nimbus]

She can't be an Isma because she's ugly pack it up

[slow olive]

The only problem i have with nyleth is how she has no plot mention in the prev. acts

[vestal swan]

Well I mean, dead gods tend to not matter when there's a religious structure erasing everything in the region

[orchid whale]

She's not really important to the plot, so much as just a single aspect of the lore

[half zenith]

Also. The voice acting in the beginning scene when Hornet is weak/on the verge of passing out is wonderful. It unsettled me to see Hornet audibly in pain, struggling to stay standing -very jarring compared to her normal badassery

[slow olive]

U see karmelita statue while exploring hunter's march, u encounter the khann corpse at the end of karaks

[vestal swan]

You die a lot in the forest because the gods no longer controlling it

[orchid whale]

Oh do you mean she lacks foreshadowing? Yeah that's fair. I don't think it's an issue, but it is an odd inconsistency

[sinful nimbus]

Eeeerm why didn't you sequence break with Beast's Crest to get to Nyleth's location early and to needolin her? are you bad at the game?

[slow olive]

There couldve been a glimpse of nyleth at least

[sinful nimbus]

Also Sister Splinter alludes to her but like all Silksong characters she suffers from the curse of not having literally any depth

[edgy barn]

Well, there is one needolin line from Sister Splinter.

[slow olive]

Mhm its not a huge deal, just a missed detail for me i think

[sinful nimbus]

Why does Ballow have more characterization than Nyleth 🥀

[slow olive]

Especially with TC's track record for being meticulous with details

[sinful nimbus]

why is it all lowercase dawg

[vestal swan]

Because Ballow talks

[slow olive]

Oh whats that

[sinful nimbus]

Is the wiki just wrong or is that actually in the game

[half zenith]

It was kinda funny when Hornet drew her sword on the chapel maid in a clearly one sided conversation (indicating she couldn’t hear anything being said) but also pretty sad. I couldn’t actually see chapel maid when that dialogue started so to me it was like Hornet was blindly threatening something or someone in her increasingly blurring vision, before passing out

[vestal swan]

They said they were double checking before they put it on the wiki but some of the files dialogues are cut so it could be wrong

[edgy barn]

Uhhhh, let's see... Nyleth questions if there can even be life without her, so she might be narcissistic?

[vestal swan]

There's a lot of boss fights where I never thought to pull out the needolin because it takes so long to get dialogue out of a fight

[slow olive]

For me its less blindly threatening someone and more getting ready to defend herself since she did get kidnapped and brought to pharloom against her will

[vestal swan]

Also the fact that nyleth likes to randomly fucking delete the floor

[sinful nimbus]

I mean that reads more like hyperbole to me

[orchid whale]

That's not random, that's the whole gimmick of the fight. The floor never comes back once it's gone

[sinful nimbus]

She's not wrong in the sense that her kind have drastic effects on the ecosystem

[vestal swan]

The life continues without her it's just not under control anymore

[orchid whale]

The only time the floor comes back is if you respawn, since it's necessary

[edgy barn]

Children, children, hide and strike!
This land is ours, now!
By our claws, none but us now!
Sisters, sisters, so long gone!
Other, other, sleeping deep...
Creeping, creaking...

[sinful nimbus]

I never attempted it on any enemies because I thought it would be stupid

[edgy barn]

Nah, Narcissistic Nyleth is my new headcanon.

[slow olive]

Creeping and creaking gives me greyroot vibes

[vestal swan]

The first thing I did was try it on some minor enemies and it made them stop for a while so I tried it on a bunch of other enemies and a few bosses but as the boss has got faster and faster I stopped trying because it takes like 3 seconds of playing to actually get dialogue out of them

[sinful nimbus]

Not staggerpilled

[vestal swan]

I also tried it on the Savage bitchfly to hopefully cancel out the whole boss fight, you know music to calm the beast

I don't know what the deal was but I was not getting a lot of staggers even though I was landing a ton of hits and damage

Some bosses I never staggered

[slow olive]

Im hitting them with a needle when theyre staggered i aint whippin out the needolin

[vestal swan]

Hilariously one of the few bosses I did stagger was nyleth

🥀

Looking ass

[edgy barn]

I do wonder where the stickbugs came from in the first place.

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

Stickbug DLC required

[slow olive]

The stickbugs seem more closer to sister splinter at least, bugs camouflaging as plants

[vestal swan]

I can't believe that getting stick bugged was actually a prediction that came true too

[slow olive]

Meanwhile greyroot is straight up just a sentient root

[vestal swan]

Unfortunate that the stick bugs aren't colossal monsters like the concept art

[slow olive]

What where is that

[sinful nimbus]

smh my prediction game was not on point

[orchid whale]

HK concept art

[slow olive]

I wanna see the colossal stick bug monsters

[vestal swan]

Really old concept art I can't remember where it's at but it's probably on Reddit

[sinful nimbus]

Except for this I'm proud of that

[slow olive]

Ohhh ill look em up

[vestal swan]

Star 1 powdered 37

[sinful nimbus]

I guess when it came to predictions I needed to put myself into the shoes of the same people who made Embrace the Void

[vestal swan]

True, that is the ending that led to this game after all

[sinful nimbus]

Is Team Cherry making the game about how faith won't save you a reference to how I specifically had too much faith in Team Cherry?

[wild zinc]

Why are all the Michael Jackson ants so nice

[sinful nimbus]

I am going to kill you with snare setters

[orchid whale]

I don't know if this is non-canon though, this might be depicting the wastelands

[slow olive]

Damn thats terrifying

[sinful nimbus]

Subnautica ripoff

[orchid whale]

fr

[slow olive]

The opening cutscene did show some giant flying bugs as the gilded carriage went by

[vestal swan]

If it's super old and not implemented it's safe to say it's not canon since pretty much everything else that fits that category is also non-canon by being changed or cut

[craggy smelt]

so majestic

[sinful nimbus]

Guys is the image of The Knight dissolving into a low poly model canon?

Does this prove HK takes place in a simulation

[craggy smelt]

the answer must be yes

[vestal swan]

Are you talking about a hungry knight death animation

[vestal swan]

The what

[craggy smelt]

oh no...

[vestal swan]

I don't even know what you're talking about none of them are missing noses or do funny dances

Wait

What's that disease called

[craggy smelt]

yeah, he's talking about vitiligo

Uncle Ruckus had the opposite of that

[vestal swan]

Yeahhh,

I was trying not to think of Uncle ruckus because I could not tell if he made that shit up or not

Anyway

I think those particular ants might be evolving similar to fluke hermit

Like molting into a new kind of ant

isn't one of them a serial killer

How is that nice

[wild zinc]

Well one of them isn’t nice

But 2/3 are

[vestal swan]

3?

I only know of the merchant and the serial killer, and I didn't even meet the merchant

[craggy smelt]

I don't know why its happening, but being exiled and mistreated by your entire society might make some of them more inclined to sympathize with the others outside your society

[craggy smelt]

there's a 3rd guy who upgrades a tool

[edgy barn]

There's a mottled scout that upgrades the Curveclaw in Act 3

[vestal swan]

I don't remember him being slightly gray though

I mean he was sort of polite but I don't remember him looking different

[wild zinc]

They are hold on

[vestal swan]

If the little guy is one of them I think he's the only one to survive act three

[vestal swan]

Oh dang

[wild zinc]

Yeah

[limpid summit]

Is Gurr one of the ones who might still be alive

Like Crawfather

[vestal swan]

I'm pretty sure the spot they were sitting is crushed by rocks

[limpid summit]

Oh yeah

[vestal swan]

I don't remember though

[craggy smelt]

gurr is killable, merchant got slain by skarr, he's full of spears

[vestal swan]

A lot of people just got crushed by rocks in act three

[craggy smelt]

stay safe, little scout

[vestal swan]

Gurr is the serial killer? I had the names backwards

[edgy barn]

Yes

[timber pond]

Im pretty sure Gurr is actually the one who kills the merchant as the spines are the same ones he used in his traps...

[vestal swan]

He will rise up and lead a new breed of ants

[rancid river]

RIPieces Mort your capitalist ass will not be missed 🙏

[edgy barn]

If Gurr killed the merchant why did he not take the body as a trophy?

[limpid summit]

Wait powdered where did you see that

Want me to hop in and check

[vestal swan]

Mort sucked lol

Where did I see what

[timber pond]

Not a worthy foe to display lol.

[sinful nimbus]

You saw nothing

[vestal swan]

I thought the merchant got crushed by rocks, I must have been thinking of the wrong merchant

[vestal swan]

Based on how this conversation went I think that is true

[edgy barn]

If not worthy foe why go after him.

[limpid summit]

No not the merchant

[sinful nimbus]

There are rocks where he is but no corpse so we can only assume

[limpid summit]

The boss Gurr the Outcast

[timber pond]

He has 3 distinct spines sticking out of him

[craggy smelt]

mort, ladybugs, loam... conductor too
probably some others

[limpid summit]

Mottled skarr dead as hell

[craggy smelt]

sad about Loam, not really the others

[vestal swan]

I'm confused did the merchant get crushed by rocks or stabbed to death

People are confidently saying two different things

[sinful nimbus]

There are two merchants

[rancid river]

He got murked by spears, the mottled Scarr

[sinful nimbus]

Mort got smooshed the ant one got stabbed to death

[vestal swan]

Two ant merchants?

[timber pond]

I don't think he did, I think he just crossed him and was like "lol you suck" and killed him ,legit😂 . Thats Gurr lore for ya lol

[limpid summit]

Mort the pilgrim merchant in the rest stop got smushed

[vestal swan]

Not morts punkass

[limpid summit]

The mottled skarr merchant was stabbed

Gurr’s corpse is gone when we leave

[craggy smelt]

oh shit
Gurr lives

[limpid summit]

But I think thematically he might have died because we like turned the hunter into the hunted idk

[craggy smelt]

Hornet needs to double tap
Trobbio, Lace, and now Gurr

[limpid summit]

Not like he’s rebuilding the tribe

Crawfather is the same way

[vestal swan]

You know, I didn't think much of it but most of the boss corpses do stay in this game don't they. mooring moves bc fleas eat it n shit, so a boss disappearing actually might mean something?

[sinful nimbus]

#sk-lore regular reportedly FORGOT silksong has no themes

[craggy smelt]

wait, the fleas ate moorwing, really?

[limpid summit]

Ok wait wait which corpses stay and don’t

[sinful nimbus]

What do you think the giant steak is in fleatopia

[limpid summit]

I forgot what happens in Lost Garmond’s arena

[limpid summit]

Yeah Moorwing got roasted

[vestal swan]

Well I remember skull crusher that doesn't attack the starter town stays where it's at and so do a few other beasts

[sinful nimbus]

Bosses in HK also didn't stay except for like false knight iirc

[craggy smelt]

gruz mother

[bleak pewter]

Soo.... Are Snail shamans void now?

[sinful nimbus]

Hold on

[limpid summit]

Broodmother’s corpse is gone but she’s dead for sure

[slow locust]

what are you talking about

[sinful nimbus]

There's a giant Skynx type entity collecting all of them, duh

Woah infectendik I haven't seen you for a while

[vestal swan]

Nothing about them is void

[limpid summit]

What corpses do remain

[timber pond]

Yep you can see it on the back of a caravan cart when at most of the locations, and then they eat it in fleatopia lol

[limpid summit]

Sister Splinter does

[vestal swan]

Off the top of my head it's just a skull crusher right now

[bleak pewter]

Yeah that's what I'm confused about, why do they disappear/die when you get the everbloom?

[edgy barn]

Great Conchflies

[limpid summit]

True

[craggy smelt]

I hope it keeps well, unless there's an icebox cart

[sinful nimbus]

Too much magic used for red memory, they have dialogue about it iirc

[vestal swan]

The spell took too much power and they got consumed

[limpid summit]

Yeah Crawfather and Gurr could totally be alive

[bleak pewter]

Oh

[vestal swan]

You can see bits of soul coming out of their shells when the spell is over

[slow locust]

if only they accepted the fourth heart 💔

[limpid summit]

Honestly if we assume Haunting kills bugs like Infection Gurr surviving could be good

Ant king

[vestal swan]

Also they never would have been able to provide their own soul for a spell if they were void

[edgy barn]

Act 4 is about escorting every individual flea to Yarnaby after they all got 4 until then undiscovered diseases from Moorwing's meat.

[limpid summit]

The snail shaman essence ghosts watching me put nyleth’s heart on my wall

[timber pond]

It's mostly a portal. There's no like, concrete thing that says they are made of it. The most you can extrapolate is that they have a fascination with it if you interpret some things one way over another.

[bleak pewter]

And also
We got nothing new on ancient civilization right?
I'm kinda confused if the structures in the abyss are related to them or just the product of the weavernest there

[limpid summit]

Not really - maybe that they venerated void as cleansing of the self according to the Arcane Egg we find

And they were even more far reaching than we realize

[craggy smelt]

its mostly Weaver construction down there, but there's tablets and an arcane egg, so the AC was definitely there

[bleak pewter]

I really do wonder if the cut void cult thingy would shine more light on it

[sinful nimbus]

Would the haunting do that?

Like for the reanimated corpses I'd assume it would but I don't think it really physically alters the alive bugs that much

[slow locust]

widow is a weaver or just weaver-like?

[vestal swan]

I forgot to go find it but somewhere the ancient ruins connect to something that looks like ancient civ ruins, and we also have our first confirmed member and descendants being the family of pharloom shamans, the one we absorb and the ones that cast the spell

[sinful nimbus]

She is a full weaver

[timber pond]

That got turned into The Steel Hearts and stuff.

Steel city pipeline knowledge continues😎

[edgy barn]

Full Weaver

[bleak pewter]

A Weaver. Directly mentioned so, just with her mask removed

[vestal swan]

Technically we also had soup boy from the first game but he's not entertaining

[slow locust]

it says "seemed like" idk

[sinful nimbus]

Funny enough there isn't any AC architecture in this game

[vestal swan]

She was mutilated and crippled

[slow locust]

jhonny treatment 😭

[sinful nimbus]

They were in the abyss but they didn't care to expand into Pharloom ig or leave any lasting infrastructure in the abyss

[vestal swan]

There is in like exactly one spot and I need to find it so I know I'm not insane

[bleak pewter]

Wait wha
They're descendants of ancient civ???

[slow locust]

do you think the first sinner could grow arms like widow and herrah?

[limpid summit]

I would hope it wouldn’t but similar to infection there’s little distinction between reanimated haunted bugs and living haunted bugs so I would expect it to be analogous to Infection in that way

[sinful nimbus]

What

[bleak pewter]

Don't all weavers have arms?? Just hidden?

[timber pond]

The only "architecture" we see in hollow knight is a fucking spire with a lighthouse fixture on top of it to be fair. And the room of :0

[limpid summit]

But like in the same vein all the ants besides the two mottleds dying? That doesn’t sit right for Far Fields

[edgy barn]

She has arms. What do you think she was slashing you with?

[limpid summit]

Maybe there are other mottleds

[slow locust]

legs

[vestal swan]

They know a void spell and they talk about their family having been to the abyss before in direct contrast to the hollownest shamans, along with a giant old snail being a Crest you can absorb from the bottom of the Temple

[vestal swan]

I'm pretty sure it's it's in the abyss somewhere but there's a room that looks like AC and when you go through to the other side it's Weaver

[sinful nimbus]

Nah there's a distinct architectural style present near ancient masks/soul vessels, ancient nailsmith's room, and the Black Egg off the top of my head

[limpid summit]

I think the sharp shadow totem has the same sorts of architecture around it too

Might be wrong

[bleak pewter]

Yeah but that doesn't mean they're not the descendants of ancient civ, just that they studied void
I feel like it's kinda a stretch

[sinful nimbus]

💔

[timber pond]

Black egg might have been made with AC blueprints in mind or was an artificial arcane egg repurposed, we don't really know. I more of meant in the abyss itself.

[edgy barn]

If you look closely when she does that you can see that she's scuttling on four legs, meaning the slashes are performed with arms. All weavers we have seen so far have six limbs, with the exception of Herrah who had eight.

[sinful nimbus]

Darn Silksong releasing and messing up all the wiki pages

[vestal swan]

The ancient civ worshiped it, and they also claim to be so obsessed with it that hornet should know about it, and that's clearly not a snail thing because the hollownest ones didn't

[slow locust]

is that fandom?

[sinful nimbus]

No

The fandom hate is wild 🥀

[slow locust]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Arcane_Egg_(Silksong)

[vestal swan]

What lore did we get from the one stupid arcane egg I forget, I remember I didn't like it

[slow locust]

"...No will... No self... Shade..."

[bleak pewter]

Yeah, but maybe these ones have. Besides, ancient civ doesn't seem to be connected to snails in any other way.
Weavers clearly also studied void, but I doubt they're the ancient civ

[edgy barn]

"No will...No self...Shade"

[vestal swan]

Right

Even the AC was stupid

[slow locust]

no one uses that anymore

[vestal swan]

Sarcasm detector is off I guess

[bleak pewter]

Btw not sure if anyone else has said this (probably yes) but weavernest absolum seems to have a tank meant to house an early version of EVA

[timber pond]

Bassicaly Shades are a thing the AC made. Or idealized. Pale king likely got the idea from them

[sinful nimbus]

The Hallownest ones also never visited the abyss so they can't be Ancient Civilization descendants by that logic

[vestal swan]

Not the hollownest ones

Why does everybody think they have to be the same family

[sinful nimbus]

Are you claiming there are two species of snail shamans

[limpid summit]

Shade is likely just a word to refer to a product of a Void imprint or Void at large

[slow locust]

what are you talking about again?

[sinful nimbus]

Who do not share a common ancestor

[vestal swan]

A species is not a family

[limpid summit]

Lord of Shades is an AC term

[bleak pewter]

Hallownest ones do give you void spells and the only alive one mentions their relatives (whom you absorbed) using a similar spell

[vestal swan]

A singular ancestor does not have to be the only ancestor the entire family tree has

[timber pond]

Probably because the snail shamans says absurd ass shit like "my fourth aunt removed" which implies there had to be like 138 members of his family for that to happen😂

The one in hk i mean

[sinful nimbus]

So one Snail Shaman was a member of the ancient civilization?

What makes you say this

[limpid summit]

Ehhh
You use their bodies as power sources to transform your spells with your own void
He doesn’t mention the spells as coming from his relatives, with void spells he refers to “qualities” as if the residual power from their bodies is still within us

[bleak pewter]

Yeah, I also think it's a stretch
They just studied void

[slow locust]

The snail shamans in hallownest don't give you void spells they help you infuse your essence onto the spells making them void infused

[timber pond]

What ?no i just think they are all apart of a huge ass family.

[bleak pewter]

Oh

[vestal swan]

The pharloom dialogue about the family and the abyss

[limpid summit]

Yeah it’s a little weird but they’re kept separate from void

[sinful nimbus]

How is Hornet supposed to know they are ancient civilization members

[bleak pewter]

Maybe #hk-lore have been the real ancient civilization all along...

[slow locust]

so the shamans did the same as pale king no?

[sacred heath]

she read her history books

[slow locust]

manipulating void with soul

[vestal swan]

I didn't say hornet knows shit, we know because we are based and we keep history better

[timber pond]

She might know, its just not relevant enough for her to bring up (like litteraly everytime something like this pops up lol)

[bleak pewter]

Yeah, seems like it

[sinful nimbus]

But this is about the piece of dialogue saying Hornet should've known better

She knows they are snail shamans she does not know they are AC descendants

[vestal swan]

See that's the divide I'm talking about

[timber pond]

Like regardless of if the Snail shamans Are AC or not, thier family is fucking huge according to the Shaman in the first game

[slow locust]

tf is a third uncle??

😭

[vestal swan]

She should recognize that they are ancient civ by digging around in their basement and reading the shit all over the temple about sacrifices and assume that that's about void, not the fact that they are shamans because not all shamans dabble in void

[bleak pewter]

It's when you have three uncles!

[timber pond]

Third removed uncle ,which implies alot of generations of bug. In the triple digits I think

[vestal swan]

It's like cousins or great uncle's you know, one of those is removal so two of those combined is to removed or three

[sinful nimbus]

But she does that after this dialogue

[vestal swan]

So like your grandpa's brother's cousin

[bleak pewter]

Btw what the FUCK does the tablet in the snail chapel mean

[vestal swan]

?

[limpid summit]

Spell ingredients

[sinful nimbus]

No one gets shaman crest and reads the recipes before talking to the snail shamans because the game won't let you

You have to talk to them first

[sacred heath]

alright hang on what are we talking about

[limpid summit]

Vengeful spirit was prolly made with six husks eight baldur eyes and twenty maggot limbs

[slow locust]

Flickering Flame
Five masks swirled soul, brought and broiled.
Four stones rage-baked, crushed powder coarse.
Three shells fresh from pilgrims fallen, to contain and age.

Anguished Aura
Eight masks hard, swirled soul enraged.
Twelve aknids flat, all juices strained.
Six pilgrims living, hung long to drain.

[sinful nimbus]

Also the basement doesn't suggest anything to do with the ancient civilization

[vestal swan]

Oh true that is out of order

[craggy smelt]

some real eye of newt shit

[timber pond]

Spell instructions. Kind of implying why snail shamans are outcast. They soul spells and knowledge of the void make them dangerous to be in a society.

[vestal swan]

Oh but you forget the rule of everybody's judge of whether or not somebody is in the ancient civilization, are they big? That snail is big

[limpid summit]

True

[vestal swan]

Therefore

Ancient civ member

[foggy fractal]

true

[sacred heath]

the older you get the bigger you get thems the rules

[limpid summit]

Elder Beastfly is AC

[craggy smelt]

lifeblood and snails turn out to be really bad guys
wait for future DLC, when a plague of grubberflies descends upon the world to spread carnage

[vestal swan]

I don't believe the big thing by the way I'm being very sarcastic because of how many times it was brought up in the past

[vestal swan]

Finally somebody gets it

[craggy smelt]

sorry, no funne allowed

[limpid summit]

So anyway AC = big

[slow locust]

Do you think that the "lifeblood god" in the abyss is a shadow charger mutated by lifeblood?

[vestal swan]

No that was just a really bad old logic applied to every giant corpse in hollow Knight

[limpid summit]

Uh huh

[fresh badger]

It looks nothing like a shadow charger vro

[limpid summit]

Green beast dumbass never even did anything and people were saying AC

[timber pond]

Gruberfly God appears in the DLC as the entity the grubs from the first game turned into: (its peak)

[vestal swan]

I mean lifeblood mutations are pretty fucking wild but no it's still way too big and does things that don't make sense

[slow locust]

because it's mutated the thingies in wormways don't like the original ones in almost anything

[fresh badger]

AC is pretty clearly smaller than the dinosaurs like green beast and colo and black egg temple

[rancid river]

I don’t know why, but I always assumed the “three shells” line was about the shamans themselves; the “to contain and age” being about the soul within them. But I guess there are technically four implied shamans in the game, so perhaps it doesn’t make as much sense as I would’ve hoped

[sacred heath]

like nothing

[foggy fractal]

hollow knight universe's past is just insane ig with how many giant ass bugs lived around
what's the largest living bug rn ? unn ? bardoon ? the lifeblood creature ?

[fresh badger]

Bardoon is pretty girthy

[slow locust]

bardoon is pretty fucking big

[vestal swan]

It creeps into God home and makes two doors in places they shouldn't be, if it's not somehow responsible for those doors then... Set everything on fire

[craggy smelt]

Unn is pretty big, but I don't think she's as long as Bardoon

also she's a god

[vestal swan]

Unn could be longer we only see her face which for a slug could be like 10%

[fresh badger]

Tbf we dont know Unn's bulk, we see in p5 she's much bigger than we saw in lake of unn

[craggy smelt]

it'd be weird if Unn were as long as bardoon, I don't like that

[slow locust]

the lake doesn't seem that deep tbh

[limpid summit]

I really don’t want to think about that

[vestal swan]

We don't see the bottom we can't see how deep it is

[craggy smelt]

Midwife could be as big as bardoon, think about that

[fresh badger]

Unn is actually a wyrm, no limbs

[craggy smelt]

all tucked away in there

[sacred heath]

honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if lifeblood doesn’t technically have a god related to it
it’d be a nice change of pace from the other infectionlikes and it’d be really funny if it could just Do That.

[timber pond]

The humble lifeblood creature in the corner of your dream:

[edgy barn]

White Lady also appears much bigger than she is in reality.

[fresh badger]

Dude have u seen how big wl is in reality

[limpid summit]

The humble Godhome lifeblood beast 💔

[vestal swan]

But for everybody that loves to apply horrible physics, water displacement theory. For the acid to barely move when she completely submerges the volume must be massive, and she herself could be even more massive

[limpid summit]

Lord I wish

[fresh badger]

Her root toes are everywhere

[slow locust]

the "lifeblood" god seems more like a mutation tbh

[limpid summit]

I mean it’s up in godhome

Its gotta be doing something

[slow locust]

there's vengefly statues in godhome

[fresh badger]

Bro has NO evidence NO source and NO facts

[sacred heath]

maybe it’s trying to create itself a god
your logic cannot get in the way of my theories

[limpid summit]

It breaks in

[edgy barn]

Her roots extend far but her core body is still smaller than what we see in P5.

[limpid summit]

Only other being to break in is Zote (noncanon)

[vestal swan]

We don't see examples, actually never mind that can't interact with essence, we don't know what kind of fucking shenanigans lifeblood is doing in the background of pharloom

[slow locust]

everything that has lifeblood in it starts to get mutated

[fresh badger]

Their core body looks to be the same

[limpid summit]

It’s likely very strong (ugh)

[bleak pewter]

I wonder if lifeblood naturally even mutates creatures as much as it did in wormways. I mean, that was Zylotol messing around, who knows what he did to all those bugs? And we do have Joni from HK who seems to be just fine (the death thing aside), despite clearly using Lifeblood/plasmium a lot

[craggy smelt]

Lifeblood Beast is in some kind of dream realm, but I wonder if that was an ordinary cavern before
like, will the Wormways become an area like the Lifeblood Chamber?
will Zylotol become a new Lifeblood Beast?

[limpid summit]

Cinema

Yes he will why not

[foggy fractal]

no he won't cuz I'm gonna stop him

[pseudo bolt]

Well He was just Injecting it straight into things

[fresh badger]

Imo that area is an example of what happens when the veil is weakened, dream realm starts seeping into the waking world with both overlapping simultaneously

[bleak pewter]

No way Andy hi

[slow locust]

what was the dialogue that hornets says when she encounter the shamans for the first time?

[timber pond]

I actually think Joni is the "Source" for gollownest like Zylotl becomes in avt 3.

[vestal swan]

I mean short of the beast itself it does not have dream nail dialogue, so I don't think the substance is planning anything

[bleak pewter]

Yeah but he probably was injecting a lot of it

[limpid summit]

Steel masters are led by a Wyrm, Nuu is Unn’s daughter, Greyroot is a Root, Hornet becomes Weaver Queen, FotF is a NKG reference, Zylotol becomes LBB

[craggy smelt]

yea, you don't even need the dream nail to access it, you can just walk in from the waking world

[limpid summit]

Every HB is rehashed

I’m going insane

[slow locust]

where did you pull the steel masters one

[limpid summit]

Inevitable

[foggy fractal]

finally someone thawed you out of the ice

[vestal swan]

Everything about that is crackpot as hell

[limpid summit]

Steel masters will be led by a Wyrm AC Snail Shaman triumvirate

[sacred heath]

I’ll believe it

[foggy fractal]

what about Hornet becomes Weaver Queen

[fresh badger]

False you forgot about the baby stag

[limpid summit]

So true

[vestal swan]

Bad endings never end up canon

[bleak pewter]

No just my hand holding the phone and just enough of the head to allow me to process typing

[foggy fractal]

shame 😔

[slow locust]

there is a good ending?

[foggy fractal]

sister of the void 🗣️

[vestal swan]

Inb4 star says "but etv is canon"

[limpid summit]

EtV IS a bad ending

[cedar owl]

wait, is that the lifeblood monster depicted on the map?

[limpid summit]

THK deserves to die

[fresh badger]

Ngl it is really fascinating that hornets malleable wyrm nature lets her just. Absorb higher beings and become one herself.

Cowabummer that vessels didnt ascend into mini radiances after focusing her ass

[limpid summit]

It doesn’t deserve a crippled body that it doesn’t want

[timber pond]

No its good because hollow knight lives and that's hype

[edgy barn]

Weaver Queen is only a bad ending if you buy into the anti-pale being propaganda. Surrender to white light.

[cedar owl]

thats pretty cool, I never noticed that

[limpid summit]

Everyone it knew is dead

Or doesn’t like it

[sacred heath]

don’t think theyre around to say that
i think the evil has been defeated

[foggy fractal]

idk what else it'd represent

[bleak pewter]

Maybe the little buttfly vine thingies? But yeah I think it's the creature

[vestal swan]

Well fuck

[slow locust]

the LBB size is very inconsistent

[foggy fractal]

that's what I was gonna say but they're too big and not butterfly shaped enough

[slow locust]

like it's tiny asf in godhome and massive in the abyss

[vestal swan]

The only time something like that on the map existed was 4th chorus, because everything else that's physically on the map has to be a physical anomaly

[limpid summit]

The map has never represented a living creature like that I feel like it’s just sposed to be blobs

[vestal swan]

So yeah I guess that is the lifeblood beast

[timber pond]

Man's size depends on his lifeblood to area ratio🔥

[bleak pewter]

I don't think LBB is a higher being and honestly I think we're not supposed to know what it is
But tbh I like the idea of it just being a random huge beast in the abyss a lot more

[vestal swan]

It would be weird but I think it's still possible it's just something that is symbiotically tied

[ember crypt]

iselda and shakra look kind of similar... is iselda from the same warrior tribe as shakra?

[sacred heath]

what was the new lifeblood lore we got in SS
it came from the shores or something

[vestal swan]

They don't fight at all in a similar way or wear similar clothes

[timber pond]

If it can be in multiple parts of the dream realm then its not really in the abyss I do t think?

[edgy barn]

It does represent False Knight

[slow locust]

do you think joni and zylotol would be besties?

[vestal swan]

Iselda being naked I think

[limpid summit]

Doesn’t really have the jewelry now Elder Hu that’s the kicker

[vestal swan]

Elder Hu for sure

[stoic moth]

there was an interview with tc about developing skong where they say a lot of choices are based on how hornet is more physical compared to TK who is more spiritual

rough napkin ratio - TK/vessels are 85% higherbeing 15% mortal, hornet is closer to 50/50 so has more room to absorb

[bleak pewter]

Do they?
Elder hu probably is, tho.

[slow locust]

chat i have a god tier theory

[vestal swan]

Shakra and Hu are like bare handed melee and projectiles, along with her mom, but iselda has a sword

[slow locust]

What if the only reason why we can acess the lifeblood core zone is because we have so much lifeblood in us? so much that we can acess the hive mind all the lifeblood users have

that's why we're in a dream realm there

[sacred heath]

actually curious about this bc it might give some insight into what tf the beast is there

[stoic moth]

plausible

[vestal swan]

Shores?

[ember crypt]

imagine in a lifeblood dlc there's gonna be venom and we get lifeblood aliens

just think about it that would be awesome

[rancid river]

The pale lake, was it not? Or am I misinterpreting the dialogue

[bleak pewter]

Pale lake???

[limpid summit]

I like how some dream bosses use the Essence weapons in completely different ways than they should

[vestal swan]

Whatever the hell y'all are talking about with the shore I'm completely lost

[slow locust]

elder hu seems to have both shakra's rings and her master's balls

[bleak pewter]

We so get a mention of a sand sea, do we not? Or smth like that

[limpid summit]

Like Elder Hu’s rings should realistically be like Galen her masters Huh

[rancid river]

OHHH

It was totally sands of karak

[bleak pewter]

Wait THAT'S what it means???

[rancid river]

Definitely a misinterpretation on my part

[sacred heath]

tryna recall what xylitol said about where he found the lifeblood

[edgy barn]

Karak is long dried up.

[vestal swan]

Oh I don't remember that at all

[limpid summit]

The “sandsea wastes” in the cradle were probably the wastes between kingdoms

[bleak pewter]

Does anyone have a compilation of all the cage descriptions in the cradle?

[bleak pewter]

Could also be Sands of Karak, but I thought so too

[cedar owl]

Plasmium was discovered by my master at the farthest edge of Pharloom, hidden deep in salt-stricken waters. I brought it to these caves under her direction, to study how it flourishes in a foreign place.

[limpid summit]

Elder Hu’s spinning rings just become slamming rings and Gorb with the nail in his mouth just becomes projectiles

[limpid summit]

Barnacle Bay baybeeee

[slow locust]

fuck

[vestal swan]

1/8 Weaver tracks beneath city of steel, a bunch of people lost to the attempt blah blah bla
1/4 Weaver tracked to something something, whole squad lost
Something something Weaver something something

[rancid river]

DLC !!! /silly

[edgy barn]

Weaver, in eighth part, last of their line, frail with age.
Tracked and taken in Sandsea Waste.
Seven Choristors, nine Envoys lost to task.

Weaver, in eighth part, last of their line, mortally wounded.
Tracked and taken in the Blackbarrens.
Four Choristors, one Reed lost to task.

Weaver, in quarter part, last of their line, staked to service.
Tracked and taken beneath the City of Steel.
Eight Choristors, twelve Envoys lost to task.

[vestal swan]

It's been copy pasted in here a few times if you search it up you can find it

Never mind

[slow locust]

salt-stricken water? i wonder what that means

[sacred heath]

hidden deep in salt-stricken waters…
i mean that definitely SOUNDS like the salt lakes up in the ducts, no?

[cedar owl]

the wiki also has a page with every lore tablet in the game

[craggy smelt]

water with salt in it

[sacred heath]

and he specifies a “master…”

[slow locust]

I wonder where's that 😭

[sacred heath]

how can I make this about the Steel City

[craggy smelt]

barnacle town, yeah~!!

[slow locust]

not again

[limpid summit]

LBB with glasses and a mustache

[craggy smelt]

oh shit
Steel Masters keeping an eye on lifeblood too

[rancid river]

Guys it was actually Joni obviously /j

[bleak pewter]

So

1. between kingdoms/sands of karak
2. ???
3. city of steel
   The fuck is blackbarrens

[sacred heath]

I mean it makes sense those two things are ABSOLUTELY connected in some fashion

[limpid summit]

Let’s connect something else to Steel Masters

[vestal swan]

The blackbareens Weaver sucked ass she only killed like five guys, and she wasn't even the frail old one

[limpid summit]

Mask Makers

They are “charged” with the difficult task of producing a ton of masks for (???)

[edgy barn]

She was literally dying.

[limpid summit]

Pharloom MM talks about his task sort of like how Sula does

[sacred heath]

Pharloom mask maker specifies he’s under a contract

[limpid summit]

“I’m tired of this”

[craggy smelt]

Mask Master

[bleak pewter]

The hell are blackbarrens
Is this another new civilization

[craggy smelt]

steel masters killed bruce wayne's parents

[limpid summit]

Would uprooting the identities of a kingdom’s bugs on a nationwide scale through metaphorical trickery not be in alignment with the lack of order the steel masters seek

[limpid summit]

Chara is a steel master

[vestal swan]

Yeah they probably did that though, still an L

[rancid river]

Could be, but to me that definitely just sounds like a blasted bit of the wastes. Maybe a collapsed civilization, if anything

[limpid summit]

I mean like taking down a reed with one mask is pretty cool

[sacred heath]

could be related to the Blackwyrm Ogrim yaps about

[cedar owl]

blackbarrens and sandsea waste sound like wasteland to me

[vestal swan]

Hornets final report would read like
Weaver in half part half wyrm
Trapped in a rune cage and weakened to the point of fainting,
Entire fucking Kingdom lost, she killed our fucking God

[limpid summit]

Eight Choristors twelve Envoys lost in the city and they still got the Weaver? My goat Sharpe must have been on break

[craggy smelt]

sandsea wastes, yes
blackbarrens is clearly Blackwyrm territory
right there in the name

[bleak pewter]

Also why did sands of karak dry up? ||(aside from silksong taking so long to release red coral gorge died out)||

[limpid summit]

I can’t believe the only steel scaling lore we get is actually a downscale

[limpid summit]

We don’t know but there’s a lot of steam power in the Citadel and that water had to come from somewhere

[edgy barn]

We don't know. GMS or the citadel might have something to do with it.

[cedar owl]

sorry, I was thirsty

[bleak pewter]

Man GMS just loves taking cool areas and making them into rocky parkour hell (Verdania, Sands of Karak, Bilewater)

[vestal swan]

Back then it was called the clean water

[rancid river]

Groal was called…. Swole idk he has a hard name

[craggy smelt]

Murk the Mid

[slow locust]

lmao

[rancid river]

Speaking of… why in the world did the Bilewater residents have a Shaman soul?? Was it just their gamer rage murdering everybody? Why was a Shaman even down there in the first place??

[slow locust]

2 minutes no messages 😭

[slow locust]

there was a shaman there he died that why there's a shaman soul there

[bleak pewter]

My autocorrect says he was called John the Abyss

[foggy fractal]

the shaman wasn't a big fan of the citadel and tried to ally with the bilewater bugs (Stilkin)

[bleak pewter]

The Shaman went there to make an alliance with Bilewater's bugs since they both hated the citadel.
What he didn't know is that they hated all outsiders, and they ended up killing him.

Btw do we know if there were any other silk-made creatures like Phantom and Lace? Were there others or just those two?

[vestal swan]

We don't know any made of silk no

She raised up the weavers using silk by mutating other bugs

But that's all we got from her

[rancid river]

Is this confirmed somewhere? I haven’t spoken to the Caretaker about his family in like 15 in-game hours and probably a week or more irl so I have probably leaked my information all over my floors

[bleak pewter]

I think he mentions it when he sends you to get the shaman soul from bilewater, yeah

[rancid river]

That explains it then.. i already had the soul when i spoke to him

[slow locust]

we never got the lifeblood + silk crossover sadly

we have abyss creature and lost lace

but not that third one

[foggy fractal]

Aye, they was that. I knew the bug, in 'is prime, long time back. Braver'n most, and as little a fan of this Citadel as you yourself.
Went seekin' alliance with those basic bugs of the swamps. Thought they'd both gain from the union... Scheming defiance, or some such stupidity!
Now he's as dead as he was daft! Don't go tryin' ta make friends in Pharloom, bellringer. Nothin' good comes of it.

After obtaining the Seeker's Soul, but before starting Silk and Soul

[bleak pewter]

Oh also, there isn't a single mention of Radiance/infection in silksong, right?

[foggy fractal]

right

[slow locust]

there is

not a direct mention but a she is referring to the infection

[oblique sparrow]

||Just had a thought about the three hearts you absorb for the Red Memory sequence (meeting the “three mothers”). Not sure if it’s just because Team Cherry likes the number three or there’s more meaning there…?||

[drifting walrus]

He tried to make peace and groal betrayed him

[foggy fractal]

where is this

[slow locust]

why spoilers 😭

[vestal swan]

Lifeblood comparison maybe

[slow locust]

"There is an echo also of other infections I have witnessed. I wonder at the meaning of it all... or if I am perhaps imagining similarities where there are none."

[rancid river]

Preciate it, friend, Definitely gonna have to play through a second time and actually take notes

[vestal swan]

In dialogue with the mad scientist

[vestal swan]

Dialogue I missed by playing the game thoroughly and exploring everything

[slow locust]

3 dreamers 3 melodies 3 hearts 3 silk hearts

[vestal swan]

Smh

[oblique sparrow]

3 mothers

3 hollow knight games?! 😱

[drifting walrus]

I guess you could count the unraveled

[vestal swan]

That's more a ghost / surgery mistake

[bleak pewter]

Oh, right

[vestal swan]

The silk came alive and Frankensteined a body

A bunch of pissed off dead people came together in one body basically, that's how I read it

[rancid river]

Definitely a bunch of pissed of dead people in one body

That also refuses to die, from what I read

[foggy fractal]

there's also a line about Hornet saying that "from my experience, even gods can fall" which could refer to radiance, pk, or both

[slow locust]

soul is the only thing we can relie on ngl it has never infected anyone doesn't control minds and can help with void!

[bleak pewter]

Btw this guy is one of the spirits in Spirit's glade
He's probably a karaka, right?

[rancid river]

Soul Sanctum is calling… (too much of a good thing that weakened them for a stronger infection)

Soul is like the antibiotics of the HK world methinks

[foggy fractal]

maybe maybe not
we don't have any evidence besides they look similar, nothing that disproves it can't be a karaka either though I think

[rancid river]

A little (under the right circumstances) is good, but too much causes immune system issues

[bleak pewter]

Pale King stumbled on the pale stairs once

[foggy fractal]

radiance tripped over a void tendril set up like those looney toons traps

[ember crypt]

just noticed it

[foggy fractal]

why is blasted steps close to hallownest

[slow locust]

pharloom is no where near hallownest

[ember crypt]

wait

[bleak pewter]

Blasted steps definitely is very far from Hallownest. The entire cutscene in the beginning shows a montage of the citadel bugs travelling all the way from Hallownest to blasted steps

[vestal swan]

Tk in abyss climb:

[ember crypt]

yeah im stupid

[foggy fractal]

epic fail

[rancid river]

Bumped they head and got an owie 🤕

[graceful grail]

Thats cool

[bleak pewter]

Head hurty (3 masks of damage)

[bleak pewter]

I mean they look exceptionally similar, down to the colour of the weapon and the shape of the armour plating

Man karakas are so cool!! I'd take red coral gorge over BS and SoK any day for the week ||maybe not on saturdays?||, they had so many enemies ready for it, too 😭
Fingers crossed for dlc

[foggy fractal]

and nothing besides that, whether if you choose to believe he is one is up to you though given that again there's nothing saying he couldn't be one either

[bleak pewter]

True

[limpid summit]

Can both G&Z and Shakra help you in High Halls?

[rancid river]

I WAS LEGIT SO DISAPPOINTED WHEN I GOT TO CORAL TOWERS BECAUSE OF THE EARLY TRAILERS

[foggy fractal]

I believe it can only be one of them ?

[rancid river]

MY MOST HYPE AREA AND THEY NEUTERED IT

[foggy fractal]

yeah reducing it down to sands of karak, an area very similar to blasted steps was a bad move imo

[humble peak]

How tf did the coral area work anyway
Like was it all just underwater? How did the water stay so high up? How did it all disappear?

[bleak pewter]

I understand why they did it (going from a desert to an underwater-esque area would be very jarring) but they could make it work

[limpid summit]

Well Land of Storms implies a degree of perpetual rain that can exist without something like Blue Lake, HB-created or not

[foggy fractal]

we've only ever seen one actual "underwater" scene and that's in an acid lake back in hollow knight 2014 trailer
we're not actually underwater in any of the red coral gorge scenes

[limpid summit]

So the water isn’t insane

[bleak pewter]

I think it just looked underwater, like fog canyon. And wdym how'd it stayed that high up, it's all underground. And we do have Mount Fey right above it which seems to have snow (is it snow??)

[rancid river]

Dandruff from the bird

[craggy smelt]

ash of bird

[humble peak]

true the map throws things into some amount of scale issue

[craggy smelt]

birdflakes

[bleak pewter]

Genuinely not sure if it's a joke
What's up with that bird, anyway? Shows up once, gives feydown cloak, and is apparently really powerful

[humble peak]

that did not make any sense but like
it's near the top of the map so "oh it's so high up"
even though it's still all underground and there's untold amounts still above and below

[foggy fractal]

yeah that's the thing I feel like they could've moved things around or changed the story a bit to make it work, though given TC's situation they're probably alright with what is in game

[craggy smelt]

higher being!
primal source of floof

[humble peak]

it also listens to mr mushroom

[foggy fractal]

shes a Fayforn, weavers "found her company compelling, enough to build their chambers and their calling device at the height of this perilous peak."

[humble peak]

where's that text from?

[foggy fractal]

there's also
Sister, spider, if seeking commune with the creature atop this mount, take the climb above as test, a challenge beyond even our setting. Upon that summit gained, and creature hailed, know it shall choose what gift to grant, with death as likely as insight.
– Scroll left by the Weavers

[foggy fractal]

Mask Maker

[rancid river]

Crack theory is maybe it recognizes the weavers somehow, which is why it doesn’t murk Hornet? I dunno. It’s weird. Cute though

[humble peak]

oh shit yeah
I've never actually gotten to knock his face off

[craggy smelt]

she would either kill you or floof you

[bleak pewter]

I pray to William Pellen personally to make it a thing in DLC

[foggy fractal]

Fayforn seems to be very powerful

[humble peak]

we don't have too much to go off of
but ig "very" powerful is pretty vague too

[slow locust]

she talks to fucking mister mushroom she is godtier

[quartz swallow]

What kind of bug are the cloverstags/ Palestag

[bleak pewter]

It seems higher-being adjacent, but not one itself. Tho maybe?

[bleak pewter]

Deer

[foggy fractal]

no idea

[craggy smelt]

plant-bugs

[ember crypt]

i wonder if there's a place in pharloom that we might get to see in dlc where gms threw the discarded silk creations (like lace or phantom), hallownest has the abyss, or maybe she just let them roam pharloom or trapped them somewhere else (phantom in the exhaust organ)

[quartz swallow]

Don’t they have to be bugs though?

Everything else is

[rancid river]

I mean

[humble peak]

there are the roots

[slow locust]

there are fungi

[humble peak]

but also
deer bugs

[limpid summit]

Deerlike bugs like how craws are crowlike bugs

[rancid river]

There’s also mushrooms… Mista mushroom at least

[craggy smelt]

it takes a lot of silk to sustain a silkborn, Phantom and Lace might be the only ones
Phantom seems to be isolated in the exhaust organ

[quartz swallow]

I would say mr mushroom is a special case

[foggy fractal]

also the faydown cloak says this "Protective garb lined with the soft down of a Fayforn and sewn through with flexible spines."
a Fayforn, not the Fayforn, Fayforn is the species it seems and there may be more out there

[slow locust]

mista?? like guido?

[bleak pewter]

There are so many creatures in HK/SS that are bugs but don't look like one.
Jellyfish, crows, mice

[rancid river]

There is literally a civilization of fungus in Hollow Knight lmao

[humble peak]

are we forgetting there was an entire area of mushroom creatures in the last game

[ember crypt]

maybe...

[quartz swallow]

Mice?

[quartz swallow]

Yes we are

[bleak pewter]

The ones in graymoor

[quartz swallow]

I don’t remember seeing any mice

[bleak pewter]

Also who is Mr mushroom herald of? Fucking Galactus???

[slow locust]

how

[foggy fractal]

also how did the Fayforn even give us the fayforn cloak, magic fluff generation ? or did it knock us out then stick its feathers in the cloak

[slow locust]

yep

[humble peak]

Herald of the end of an age I think

[rancid river]

He seems to like crumbling kingdoms. Herald of death perhaps. Somebody get this man his black horse /j

[foggy fractal]

a herald is "a person or thing viewed as a sign that something is about to happen"

[quartz swallow]

What mice are in greymoore 😭

[humble peak]

mr mushroom appears when great change is on the horizon
as hornet puts it, either death or transformation

[bleak pewter]

Hornet DOES fall unconscious

[humble peak]

I think they mean the mite things

[quartz swallow]

Yeah those are mites not mice

[humble peak]

they are mouse-like
but yeah I agree it's not quite right

[foggy fractal]

for hk -> radiance death infection stopping
for ss -> gms death haunting stopping (also void shenanigans causing a lot of Pharloom to be destroyed)

[bleak pewter]

I was thinking of mites yeah
They are very mouse coded in silksong

[quartz swallow]

But they are mites though

[rancid river]

You believe him to be a positive figure? He strikes fear in my heart. I must believe he foretells the death of kingdoms

[bleak pewter]

Mr Mushroom appearing in steam 3 hours before ss release:

[slow locust]

he's refering thatn they're mouse-like

[humble peak]

hm
I wonder if this indicates the sealing endings are actually successful
since like it wouldn't be the end of an era if we just went from one flawed vessel to another

[quartz swallow]

I know

[craggy smelt]

mickey mite

[bleak pewter]

Also these guys kinda look like Verdanians, but this one's a stretch

[foggy fractal]

I didn't say he was good, just pointing out what great change happens in game due to the protags
he could show up in a kingdom that's experiencing a huge bad change too

[slow locust]

they're green and mantises and they're in the mantis infested area

[foggy fractal]

he isn't refered to as Herald of anything just "Herald" or "Sir Herald" so he's just there when some shit is about to go down good or bad presumably

[humble peak]

Isn't he explicitly called like "he who signals the end of an era" or something

[rancid river]

He is truly the Absol of the HK universe /j

[bleak pewter]

Yeah but they DO look a lot more like verdanians than HK mantises

[bleak pewter]

An end of an era doesn't mean there can't be a new, prosperous one

[humble peak]

I didn't mean to imply otherwise

[bleak pewter]

Oh

[humble peak]

was more getting at "he isn't called the herald of anything"

[foggy fractal]

I mean if you could find it that'd be cool but I checked both his hk and ss pages and couldn't find it

[humble peak]

We speak the path of the Master Herald, he who would signal an Age's end.

On the tablet

[bleak pewter]

HOLD ON I'm actually onto something here
They also seem to not be native to Hallownest (or at least queen's gardens/unn territory):
"Isn't this just the most intriguing place? So many discoveries waiting to be made. We're about to set off ourselves, though we can't seem to agree on which way to head"

[slow locust]

"Passing of the age"

[limpid summit]

WL growth powers in action

[foggy fractal]

my point still stands about him not being called the Herald of X though, not to say that his appearance doesn't signal an age's end, and that doing his quest wouldn't be passing of the age, just that he's only refered to as Master Herald, Sir Herald, Herald

[rancid river]

I like how Hornet continually is like “will u pls acknowledge that I exist” and he’s like “oh, excuse me” each and every time. He’s so funny. Hornet has such trouble getting people to acknowledge her in this game, such a far cry from HK

[regal crow]

What’s the voltwyrm’s story? Don’t look like any kinda bug I know

[humble peak]

zappy thing

[bleak pewter]

It's barely even a bug. Just a simple creature using the electric coral as defense, not much else

[slow locust]

i just realized that they have WYRM in their name 😭

[humble peak]

funny it's called a "wyrm" lol

[bleak pewter]

It's Vyrm, actually.

[regal crow]

What kinda bug is it. It looks like a living coral formation, that mound of pink tubes

[humble peak]

WHAT

[vital ruin]

Tbf i dont think every npc has a real life bug counter part

[humble peak]

no way, really?

[bleak pewter]

"Coiled nest of charges worms"

That's the description in the journal

[regal crow]

Wait, is it a mass of those sand worms?

[humble peak]

doesn't look like it

[vital ruin]

No need to be sarcastic my guy 😂

[humble peak]

it's just some pink dudes

[bleak pewter]

Another one: I've always just assumed sly is a fly (sly the fly, yknow) and now in silksong we get actual flies
Wonder if they're related. Probably not. Shame.

[humble peak]

I mean
there are many kinds of "flies", aren't there?

[foggy fractal]

yeah could just be his own kind of fly

slabflies, lumaflies, silkflies, slyflies

[bleak pewter]

Aren't silkflies like souls

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[humble peak]

hm?

[regal crow]

The white butterflies?

[foggy fractal]

anyway the point is tha sly could be a fly, I don't think is said anywhere else what he is so

[limpid summit]

He’s probably a fly

[bleak pewter]

Also what's up with Wisp Thicket? They seem to be a cult completely detached from the Citadel or any other group in Pharloom. They don't even do anything. Wisp thicket doesn't even do anything. Is it an area or just a part of graymoor. I'm going insane.

[limpid summit]

Like Unn probably isn’t a slug and Marmu might not be a puss moth caterpillar but it would be silly to not call Sly a fly

[limpid summit]

They are curiously not haunted

[regal crow]

They’re just worshiping their scarecrow. They’re harmless

[limpid summit]

Their devotion to the Father of the Flame keeps them “sane”

[bleak pewter]

They aren't??

[edgy barn]

Imagine Hornet returning to Hallownest, running into Sly (assuming he is stil alive) and just staring at him without saying anything for a long minute or so

[limpid summit]

No they aren’t

No strings when they sing

[regal crow]

How can you tell?

[limpid summit]

They’re just like that

[bleak pewter]

Was meant to say "they aren't??"

[limpid summit]

“…not this time”

[bleak pewter]

Wisps seem to be alive btw

[regal crow]

Are wisps those fire bug mfs?

[bleak pewter]

Yeah the fire thingies

[vital ruin]

Probly only managed to be safe is the fire burns away the silk that controls the citadel?

[limpid summit]

Wisps are interesting in a kingdom without anyone who can read essence

[craggy smelt]

keeps them from being reanimated

wisps seem to be born of burning silk

[limpid summit]

As much as I hate it I really think NMH has a hand in this

[craggy smelt]

given the wisp lantern burns silk to generate them

[limpid summit]

Or at least the burning bugs are a medium for eventual GT fanservice

[foggy fractal]

hey Yak do you wanna see that steel master fake screenshot I'm making (still just the steel master sketch)

[craggy smelt]

yes! I heard you mention it earlier, but if you posted it I missed it

[bleak pewter]

Is Pharloom even a kingdom? I think it's just the name for the land. It's not really unified.

[foggy fractal]

nah I dmed it

[craggy smelt]

gimme

[bleak pewter]

Hey gimme too:(

[humble peak]

I'm kinda surprised we don't see any dreamcatcher symbols anywhere in the game
like it would've been a great way to sort of tie in the memories and song of the depths or whatever it's called to the preëstablished lore

[craggy smelt]

yeah, I feel the same
silk threads seem to be how the game presents mind/memory stuff

[bleak pewter]

ë

[humble peak]

whatsamatter? never seen a diaresis before?

[edgy barn]

The wisps aren't nightmare flames.

[bleak pewter]

I mean dream catchers seem to be an essence thing

And ain't to essence in Pharloom

[craggy smelt]

Hornet's perception of dream/mind stuff might be different, hence threads instead of wheelies
but Essence is the stuff of thougts and dreams and memories, it should exist everywhere, like Soul

[humble peak]

You think it's a perception thing?

[bleak pewter]

No I just like them

[craggy smelt]

I unno, maybe

just trying to come up with an explanation

[bleak pewter]

Curiously, no dream root thingies tho

[humble peak]

did Hornet see silk coming out of THK's forehead when she stabbed into it maybe lol

[craggy smelt]

hrmm
maybe the veil between realms is thinner in Hallownest
hence areas like the Lifeblood Chamber being partly in the dream world
maybe because it's a dead kingdom? all the memories of the dead have piled up

[bleak pewter]

Where does hornet get the silks for her attacks in HK
Does she run back to the abandoned weavernest every time? There IS a lot of silk there

[craggy smelt]

you can get soul from non-haunted critters too

[bleak pewter]

Honestly there prolly isn't a lore reason dream roots are mostly a gameplay thing

[silk dirge]

nah wisp thicket is super clear to me now

[humble peak]

She says the runes in the cage on her way to Pharloom weakened her a lot
So maybe she could just produce a lot more on her own back then and hasn't recovered fully yet by the end of the game

[bleak pewter]

Oh, right
She doesn't steal the silk she makes it herself out of her soul, right?

[craggy smelt]

there's always a lore reason, if you reach deep enough

[silk dirge]

wisp lantern consuming silk im 99% sure is actually diegetic

[dim beacon]

is this just coincidence or like why does the hunter look like that

[silk dirge]

it makes too much sense to not be these guys burning away silk

[slow locust]

coincidence

[craggy smelt]

definitely is, the gleamflies/silkbugs or whatever look like Wisps

[bleak pewter]

Who the hell is NMH
Nightmare Man Human?????

[humble peak]

Where else do we see fire associated with being able to destroy silk
Other than like, real life

[humble peak]

nightmare heart...

[slow locust]

NM as nightmare acronym? 🥀

[silk dirge]

theres also no void tendrils or any void influence in wisp thicket in act 3

[bleak pewter]

I was gonna say coincidence, but the eyes are eerily similar, too

[silk dirge]

these mfs burnt away the haunting

[craggy smelt]

oh shit
that's the TC attention to detail

[bleak pewter]

Right

[manic pewter]

father of the flame is just weird

[bleak pewter]

Kinda funny how wisp thicket ended up being a cult who were RIGHT in their teachings

[humble peak]

y'all ever think about how the wisp thicket guys were just minding their own business and Hornet just kinda comes in and kills all of them for like, for fun ig?

[craggy smelt]

hard to go wrong with fire

[limpid summit]

Unlike the Craws, who survive on their own but their domain is tainted…maybe Wisp Thicket is under external protection

Hee hee

[humble peak]

Hornet is lowkey crazy destructive in this game lol

[manic pewter]

wisp thicket survives bc they just burn away all the silk right? Like that seems pretty likely to me?

[craggy smelt]

maybe flame father was a trouper who came to set up a nightmare lantern
(I doubt it but what the hell - Grimm it up)

[limpid summit]

That’s unironically what I’m thinking

[bleak pewter]

Also how come craws seems to function normally even though they get "voided"/haunted?
(ARE they haunted? I forgor)

[limpid summit]

The aged bug was analogous to the giant troupe corpse we see in Hallownest

Those guys really just do nothing and then die

[humble peak]

Is fire shown to be effective against silk anywhere else in the game?

[unreal nimbus]

i mean they attacked her first

[limpid summit]

This is what happens when the Heart’s influence is felt in a place without dreams

[humble peak]

true...

[limpid summit]

I mean our wisp lantern burns silk to cast

[humble peak]

I wouldn't consider that somewhere else

[limpid summit]

Then there’s nowhere else

[humble peak]

I see

[bleak pewter]

I honestly don't think wisp thicket to be related to trimm groupe
I think they're just a cult tbh

[unreal nimbus]

the cremation place people are haunted and theyre around fire a lot

idk

[craggy smelt]

the trimm groupe are a clan of traveling hair-stylists

most bugs don't have hair, so... they don't get a lot of business

[humble peak]

oh hey actually, question
what the fuck are "dregs"?
Because I've looked the word up like 3 times since the game came out and I still don't know what they mean when they say it

[limpid summit]

Faded call us the Trim Group

[craggy smelt]

left-over bits of silk

[unreal nimbus]

theyd get great business if they find the fleas

[mint stratus]

Was watching a silksong geology video and thought y’all should see this comment

[humble peak]

Why a lava chamber? I assume it's brought up in the video?

[unreal nimbus]

hm

[mint stratus]

Mount fay dormant volcano theory

[bleak pewter]

Pretty sure Marissa is the only bug with actual, human-like hair. Not fur.

[mint stratus]

Are we sure it isn’t a wig?

[unreal nimbus]

and shes dead so

[bleak pewter]

Can silk be made in any way aside from weavers btw

[bleak pewter]

How would wigs exist if no one has hair

[mint stratus]

You make something that resembles it with other materials?

[craggy smelt]

made from bug fur

[bleak pewter]

Yeah but like why would you make a wig

As like a fancy hat ig?

[craggy smelt]

there's probably all kinds of ways to get regular silk
maybe some other people known how to spin soul into silk

[bleak pewter]

Anyways this was nice but I'm gonna go for my 30 mins of sleep now

Cya 👋

[mint stratus]

This question haunts me

What are the beauty standards of bugs

[unreal nimbus]

fleas above all

if theres a flea caravan in pharloom, are there more caravans in other places?

id assume so

[craggy smelt]

probably

one of them likely threw Kratt out

[unreal nimbus]

reasonable

[mint stratus]

Would explain the needolin dialogue

[unreal nimbus]

what needolin dialogue?

i learned abt needolin dialogue like right before act 3

-_-'

[lethal burrow]

I have had a troubling understanding

...

[mint stratus]

When you find kratt you can play it and he’s asking if the people he was with are hiding from him/trying to leave him behind

Hold on let me pull up the wiki

[unreal nimbus]

oh

thats kinda sad

but its kratt so it evens out

[lethal burrow]

The vaultkeeper, they call the string down and summon waves of enemies.... they CALL the STRING DOWN.

the string, grandmother silk's string.

...does this not make you question a lot?

[mint stratus]

Lmao yeah

Anyway I found it

[unreal nimbus]

thats interesting

i like how the fleatopia needolin dialogue has all of them singing together

[mint stratus]

Yeah it’s cute :)

[unreal nimbus]

theyre singing about the end of the world but they have a carnival so its all fine

[mint stratus]

I assume he’s talking about a different caravan in the dialogue just because his shell is a different color than the other adult fleas

[manic pewter]

fleatopia is very relatable atm

[limpid summit]

Yeah anyone else but him I’d feel sad

[unreal nimbus]

yeah for a little bit i thought that meant he wasnt a flea

then i just accepted it as him being weird

[mint stratus]

Also a possibility ngl

[unreal nimbus]

are all the small fleas babies?

[mint stratus]

YEAH AND ITS ADORABLE

[unreal nimbus]

if thats the case that big flea is gonna be really big

[mint stratus]

The biggest baby in all of pharloom

[unreal nimbus]

bc they roughly double in size if the baby fleas turn into fleamaster sized adults

[manic pewter]

awoo

[mint stratus]

Awoo

[unreal nimbus]

awoo

[slow locust]

awoo

[bleak pewter]

awoo

[hidden crater]

awoo

[mint stratus]

I really wanna know if they still have very tiny now useless wings as adults or if they fall off

[slow locust]

chain broken 🥀

[bleak pewter]

Can we turn this into a thing where we end each message here with an awoo it'd be funny af (awoo)

[unreal nimbus]

thats amazing awoo

[hidden crater]

https://tenor.com/view/throwing-gif-20173152

[vital ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/flea-fleas-howl-group-howl-awoo-gif-16905313010922198754

[mint stratus]

This may be easier than my idea of finishing off every lore discussion with all 57 precepts

[vital ruin]

You can hear it even without the sounds

[unreal nimbus]

maybe theyre in their new shell?
-# awoo

[hidden crater]

This one bit of dialogue feels like one of the biggest threats in gaming

[bleak pewter]

Btw how come only some fleas can talk and look so different from the ones we search for?
-# awoo

[unreal nimbus]

the small ones are babies i think
-# awoo

[slow locust]

they dumb and tiny they newborn awooo

[mint stratus]

No.. it can’t be seth breaks every score and I’m forced to return the memento

[vital ruin]

Mooshka and the other fleas from the caravans do call them young ones

[unreal nimbus]

AH
-# awoo

[hidden crater]

Im genuinely curious if seth counts for this

[manic pewter]

if they add another set to beat in dlc i may die

[slow locust]

he doesn't 😭

[bleak pewter]

No? He's not a flea
-# awoo

[slow locust]

are doing all fleas icon %?

[mint stratus]

Getting all the unique sprites consecutively is so funny to me

[vital ruin]

Is he a flea?

[manic pewter]

They call him a flea tho!

[unreal nimbus]

that would be really funny
-# awoo

[hidden crater]

It would have been so funny to see him in the caravan travel cutscene

[vital ruin]

Who called him flea?

Oh at flea festival?

[manic pewter]

Ya

Hes not actually

[bleak pewter]

What is flea brew of
-# awoo

[slow locust]

wait omfg

[manic pewter]

bathwater

[slow locust]

that's his mustache and the dos are his eyes 😭

[mint stratus]

I assumed it was like a fermented mead or beer

[unreal nimbus]

yes
-# awoo

[slow locust]

I thought the mustache was his eyes like he was with his eyes closed 😭

[vital ruin]

Or he has really large eye brows

[hidden crater]

This place is pretty coo ay AY AYYYY GIVE ME BACK MY FUCKING NEEDLE

[unreal nimbus]

flea dlc that turns into a game when
-# awoo

[mint stratus]

Somehow didn’t notice their antenna look different as adults vs as babies

[mint stratus]

You wouldn’t believe your eyes..

[unreal nimbus]

is the coral area with water just scrapped content?

[edgy nebula]

is this the real groal the great

[unreal nimbus]

maybe

[edgy nebula]

tell me something only groal would know

[unreal nimbus]

dont look at my bio

[manic pewter]

the boss of bilewater hates bilewater

no way

[earnest geyser]

understandable

[mint stratus]

He hates what it has become

[unreal nimbus]

muckwater is life

[edgy nebula]

makes sense, he hates how it's turned out caue of the citadel's pollution, duh

[edgy nebula]

[unreal nimbus]

yes but the muckwater tastes good

[edgy nebula]

ok...

[unreal nimbus]

'0_0

[edgy nebula]

anyways, groal's lore is unironically pretty good

[mint stratus]

Anyone wanna talk about my theory that the quaking in act 3 might cause mount fay to become an active volcano again?

[earnest geyser]

that would be so cool

[unreal nimbus]

its actually quite similar to ginger beer (plus live maggots)

[manic pewter]

they just add some nice texture variation

[edgy nebula]

was there anything specifically saying it was a volcano

[manic pewter]

its like boba

[unreal nimbus]

yeah like the soul attack

[mint stratus]

Boba

[unreal nimbus]

YES

[mint stratus]

No but I was watching a geology video on mount fay dormant volcano theory that had this comment

[edgy nebula]

now this i doubt

[manic pewter]

How do they resolve the extreme amount of water in there?

[edgy nebula]

we see no signs of magma or lava damage in karak, none of khann's dialogue hints at this, and even if it did happen, karak ruled half of pharloom

[mint stratus]

It’s about snow water runoff reaching karak not lava

[edgy nebula]

oh im bad at reading

i still dont think that would destroy all of karak

[unreal nimbus]

what is a voltvyrm

i am confused

[manic pewter]

the idea is that karak used to be the ocean thingo and the volcano not being active anymore led to it drying out into the desert

[unreal nimbus]

is it just a really big worm that makes electricity

[edgy nebula]

a cluster of worms

[past cypress]

I feel like it's much more likely the Citadel did something to dry it out

[edgy nebula]

unless gms plugged the volcano like hercules i dont think it's accurate

[unreal nimbus]

so the stuff all over the volt place in karak (i forgot the places name) is just a lot of voltvyrms?

[manic pewter]

yeah i have no strong opinions, just what the video says

[edgy nebula]

idm the theory, it sounds rad, but i dont think it caused karak to die

[mint stratus]

Active volcanos don’t need to be erupting to warm their environment

Not necessarily the cause of death, but a contributing factor

Perhaps after polluting their watersupply in bilewater and the putrid ducts, the increased demand for water led them to take it from karak?

[unreal nimbus]

the citadel is really missing the mark with water conservation

[edgy nebula]

#teamwater gotta team up to defeat the evil citadel

[unreal nimbus]

#teamseas

[mint stratus]

#Teampotablewater

[unreal nimbus]

#muckmaggothateclub

[mint stratus]

That isn’t very chef lugoli of you

[unreal nimbus]

but

im not chef lugoli

[mint stratus]

You’re right my bad

[unreal nimbus]

do we know if lugoli likes muckmaggot or if they just cook it

[mint stratus]

oh also! Likely not the same thing at all but the voltvyrm remind me of garden eels

[mint stratus]

I mean have you looked at them?

[unreal nimbus]

thatd make sense especially since karak used to be water

[unreal nimbus]

fair

i found a secret room in the room with the taste of pharloom wish, and it looks like maybe lugolis old kitchen

[mint stratus]

Woah

[unreal nimbus]

theres lots of flies so probably

[mint stratus]

Here’s some sea worm species!

[manic pewter]

ooh pretty

[unreal nimbus]

bamboo worms look kinda similar

and bloodworms

[mint stratus]

Honestly just call voltvyrms wugtrios in my head

[manic pewter]

They honestly remind me of anemones more

[unreal nimbus]

OH

[mint stratus]

Ooo I could see it!

[unreal nimbus]

and anemones shock fish right?

[manic pewter]

They inject with neurotoxin

But its a common characterisation that they do shock

[unreal nimbus]

everything i know about anemones is from finding nemo

[mint stratus]

Maybe they mixed worms with anemones as design inspiration?
What do the journal entries say?

[unreal nimbus]

i think it says something about barely being a bug

[manic pewter]

\

[mint stratus]

Okay so they are worms, but the anemone aspect is definitely there in my opinion

[unreal nimbus]

yeah

voltvyrm lore unlocked

[mint stratus]

I am still thinking about the giant baby flea being an adult

Also that I should sew some plush fleas

[unreal nimbus]

double the size of that thing would be like 4 mooshkas

[manic pewter]

one of my friends made me a plush flea its so fuffy

[unreal nimbus]

and 8 kratts

[mint stratus]

:0

[mint stratus]

INCREDIBLE UNIT OF MEASUREMENT

[covert night]

are volt creatures a part of coral gorge

[unreal nimbus]

yeah

If by that you mean sands of karak

[unreal nimbus]

im probably about... (how tall is a flea?)

[manic pewter]

1-2 millimeters in height

[unreal nimbus]

oh

im not mathing that

[torpid basalt]

What's Savage beastfly's lore?

[unreal nimbus]

its a really big beastfly

[torpid basalt]

Holy shit

[unreal nimbus]

thats really beastly

so beastly you get the beasts crest

[torpid basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/my-god-god-sick-seal-seal-tf2-gif-17506367299929876219

[unreal nimbus]

and it owns a chapel

called the chapel of the beast

[torpid basalt]

This is revaluationary

[unreal nimbus]

ikr

[slow locust]

it's been shitpost non-stop for the last 3 hours 😭