sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

I don't like snails though get the soulslop out of my silkslop

[alpine talon]

I guess... i kinda noticed that widow looks so much like theese guys, forgot the hunters journal

[silk dirge]

no he does not he gives off conservative veteran vibes

[sinful nimbus]

Worse its soulslop AND voidslop

[stuck berry]

of course the correct solution would be to scrap silksong altogether and work on the mister mushroom game

[chrome atlas]

There's an interpretation where Widow's the Weaver from the City of Steel, since that one was 'staked to service' and Widow had the world's worst acupuncture job done

[sinful nimbus]

He references tool so that tracks

[lapis creek]

when bell hermit started talking about how hornet grants herself so much power by deciding she can return bugs to their pain and suffering i thought they would actually make that a theme

[pure belfry]

We know the Snail Shamans kinda worship Void. Do you think they have roots tracing back to the Ancient Civilization?

[inner torrent]

Huh, are these spiders?

[silk dirge]

not really

they dont seem like arachnids to me

[silver spire]

the stones in the abyss in both games have spirals on them, do you think there's some kind of connection

[vestal swan]

Hornet literally absorbed their ancestor that lived under the probably void worshiping temple so yes

[alpine talon]

I dont know, nothing looks like a proper spider in silksong

[vestal swan]

Those just look like ammonites not snails

[chrome atlas]

Drape'mite' implies that they're mites, which are a different kind of arachnid

[vestal swan]

There's only two spiders in silksong, the Weaver related things and the things that used to be normal bugs they got turned into weavers

[alpine talon]

Mite name lost so much credibility cause like fourth of the enemies in game have that name

[silk dirge]

anyways i think it would be interesting if like they did the old hearts idea but with the bosses actually being real

[stuck berry]

guy who has never heard of divergent evolution

[vestal swan]

Crabs in the corner waiting for the turn in the spotlight

[silver spire]

lore wise it makes sense though

[sinful nimbus]

I think it'd be interesting if old hearts had any relevance to the themes of Act 3

[silver spire]

pharloom is a land ruined by the weavers and GMS

[lapis creek]

and the areas

[silk dirge]

like coral gorge exists and khann is worried about whatever the fuck the citadel just did and you have to actually challenge him outside of a memory

[lapis creek]

blasted steps is really good and sands of karak is not i really wish they could have had both somehow

[silk dirge]

i like karak

coral gorge wouldve been cool but karak goes hard

[lapis creek]

but we couldve had coral gorge

[silk dirge]

i like the platforming mechanic

[stuck berry]

this game does not need two sand areas

[silk dirge]

i know its not the most well liked but i thought it was pretty unique

[sinful nimbus]

The ever handy Starpengu cut of silksong's map:

[pure belfry]

I'll admit I didn't care much for Karak gameplay-wise. Blasted Steps is awesome tho

wrong reply whoops

[lapis creek]

the judges wouldve looked really goofy in coral gorge so blasted steps helps a little

[vestal swan]

Platforming in Coral was fun until I wanted to use a diagonal Pogo Crest on the boss

[stuck berry]

whoah i live there

[silk dirge]

i think i first tried raging conchfly lol

[foggy fractal]

they're too familiar asethetically

[lapis creek]

which boss

[vestal swan]

Traffic cone v2

[chrome atlas]

Ok diagonal pogo complaints make me feel like an actual platforming deity, I didn't have an issue using Architect's Crest getting back to Angy Drill

[lapis creek]

dont you have harpoon by then

[foggy fractal]

haha no diagonal pogo for you !!1

[lapis creek]

cant you basically fly over the platforming sections anyway

[stuck berry]

say what you will about bilewater but visually it looks different enough from sinner's road

[silk dirge]

ok yeah karak could probably be like a wisp thicket type sub area to blasted steps

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah its fine

[stuck berry]

purified ducts on the other hand 😄

[silk dirge]

the issue is ducts

[foggy fractal]

a lot of these areas feel like subareas instead

[lapis creek]

ducts are terrible but bilewater has grown on me

[vestal swan]

I had harpoon but there's a lot of ceiling pillars in the way

[lapis creek]

i like the stilkin

[pure belfry]

Bilewater is peak. Sinner's Road is mid

[silk dirge]

im a god at diagonal pogo bc i play actually good games like celeste

[chrome atlas]

Putrefied Ducts had more stonework, I guess?

[stuck berry]

it's crazy how this game has 4 green areas and the only good one gets locked off permanently from you if you defeat the area boss

[silk dirge]

(i hope everyone here realizes thats bait lol)

not saying celeste isnt good tho

you should play it

[lapis creek]

why is barnacle bay on the left

[sinful nimbus]

Verdania isn't good

[sinful nimbus]

So it can be below the other aquatic area

[lapis creek]

i disagree i like how they did verdania

[chrome atlas]

i 100%ed celeste, probably why diagonal pogo is fine

[stuck berry]

it's visually my favorite in the whole game i like that green

[inner torrent]

Then yeah, they probably not related

[sinful nimbus]

Verdania is garbage it connects to no other areas and has nothing of interest

[silk dirge]

do you have 1k+ hours most of those being on mods

[lapis creek]

but hear me out why not just double the size of coral gorge

[alpine talon]

I kinda wish widow wasent a typical weaver but ascended drapmite, cause I wanna see other arachnids being ascended, like the skull spiders, or the bell spiders

[sinful nimbus]

Its good art-wise yes

[stuck berry]

it's crazy how this game has 4 green areas and none of them are good

[silk dirge]

moss grotto is good what

[foggy fractal]

its crazy this game has 15 areas and none of them are good 💔

[stuck berry]

you're getting one weaver type and you're gonna like it 👹

[sinful nimbus]

The two areas would compliment eachother

[silk dirge]

also shellwood hate is crazy

[pure belfry]

Verdania had some of the best atmosphere in the game and I like the idea we're only seeing Green Prince's memory of something greater, but gameplay-wise it was kinda boring

[inner torrent]

Kinda, and I thought it was supposed to be green price kingdom, it looks pretty non kingdom to me

[chrome atlas]

Verdania sucks, it's just black stone and collapsed garbage
Lost Verdania is gorgeous and has radicalised me against Nestle SA

[stuck berry]

name three things you like about it that is unrelated to it's art direction

[sinful nimbus]

I like the atmosphere yeah

[lapis creek]

true

[silk dirge]

its a cool starting area

[stuck berry]

lame

[silk dirge]

its the tutorial area what do you want from it

[lapis creek]

you can skip sister splinter

[sinful nimbus]

Well it'd be better if Pharloom was a lively kingdom with Verdania in the present day but whatever

[stuck berry]

hype moment aura

[lapis creek]

really realyl easily

[silk dirge]

do you want another kings pass ahh tutorial area

[stuck berry]

i hate the moss grotto green i'm sorry

[silk dirge]

moss grotto fucking clears kings pass so easy

[foggy fractal]

nah you get act 3 and a worst coral area instead

[pure belfry]

I love the art and atmoshere of Shellwood a lot, and I found Sister Splinter decently fun for a beginner boss but she was very easy

[stuck berry]

ripping off ori in the soundtrack department and moss mother makes me moss puke

[sinful nimbus]

You get destroyed Bonebottom 🥹

[lapis creek]

also star why in your version do the saintly people passing through blasted steps also have to go through sinner's road

[foggy fractal]

you don't get pharloom bay 😢

[chrome atlas]

will of the wisps ripped off hollow knight so it's fair game

[silk dirge]

moss mother is so easy wtf

[stuck berry]

yeah exactly

[lapis creek]

isnt the point of sinner's road that the sinners can reach the citadel

[ripe sable]

Herrah would've been an amazing mother :(

[sinful nimbus]

Nah the pilgrimage goes through coral

Idk what Steps would be

[silk dirge]

did you want an impossible starting boss or some shit

[spark valve]

no the road doesn't typically lead to citadel

[foggy fractal]

hello Tammo

[lapis creek]

so are the judges just gone then

[stuck berry]

don't you?

[silk dirge]

maybe it could be like the citadel is carving up an area of it on their own and the karak are pissed about it

[lapis creek]

well i think it should so too bad

[sinful nimbus]

Grand Gate gets turned into a judge subarea trust

[alpine talon]

Team cherry in the process of deciding which area they wanna make explorable and which they wanna make a lousy coloseum of fools 2, the most popular trailer area vs moss grotto 2

[spark valve]

what an amazing counterargument truly impressive I yield to your vastly superior intellect and rhetoric

[lapis creek]

the judges and the sandstorm are very cool together i cant really explain it

[stuck berry]

moss vessel 🤑

[sinful nimbus]

Wait wait put them in Barnacle Bay

[silk dirge]

verdania was pretty hyped up a lot of people wanted to see the clover area

[lethal burrow]

What's going on?

[foggy fractal]

silksong lore discussion

[chrome atlas]

whinging

[sinful nimbus]

The winds effect the rains falling from the coral area above

[silk dirge]

verdania was like the 2nd most hyped area

[sinful nimbus]

It'd be auraful

[lapis creek]

i dont think this is necessary

[lethal burrow]

sort of enforces the theme of the citadel destroying beautiful things of the past doesn't it?

[lapis creek]

just have an area at the edge of coral gorge that looks like blasted steps and sands of karak and have the lore be that the ecosystem was destroyed in some past conflict

[silk dirge]

anyways yeah my version of silksong story would definitely have those areas still existing and old hearts youd actually have to challenge the bosses in real world instead of memories

[pure belfry]

It makes me violently angry whenever I see people oversimplify any green nature area as "Greenpath 2" or "Moss Grotto 2"

[stuck berry]

there is absolutely no point to pale stag, even in-universe it's merely a legend and hornet is fighting a figment of the green prince's imagination for no real reason, and it's attacks suck

[lapis creek]

and the citadel was built on top of the remains

[autumn trail]

I’ve realised that the Mist Wraiths look a lot like ||Phantom, who you find in the Exhaust Organ immediately afterwards||. Perhaps they’re ||lingering fragments of her desire to escape and rebuild herself with silk? Since they lunge at you and suck out your silk?||

[foggy fractal]

grrr we're not here to argue that it doesn't fit the story we're here to say they should've come up with a better story to make cool areas RAGH. 🐺 🐺

[lapis creek]

unironically yeah kinda

[alpine talon]

That was not serious, I also love lost verdania, I just wish corral forest was done like lost verdania

[lethal burrow]

they had a certain amount of bosses they needed to fit in and they had to come up with something so they didn't have to include sharpe

[timber pond]

Sharpe and those enemies were an 800 Dollar Backer Donation, so they will come in uh.... something. at some point in the 21st century! 😂

[silk dirge]

anyways yeah back on my idea having it be like mortals are trying to mess with void would be an interesting spin compared to higher beings messing with void

[lapis creek]

i get why they did it i just think if you're gonna put style over substance in some places you should do it here too

[sinful nimbus]

Where does barnacle bay go then 💔

[stuck berry]

they could cut it from the game and nothing would be lost and now it's going to be a very long and gross speed bump in boss rush 4

[silk dirge]

you could maybe integrate automatons into that also

[lapis creek]

on the right where it belongs

your coral gorge is too small

[chrome atlas]

DLC area that connects elsewhere, trust

it's how we get to city of steel for that dlc, trust

[sinful nimbus]

Once you go to #sk-lore you will never want to stop beating Barnacle Bay on the right truthers to death

[pure belfry]

fair. I was really looking forward to Coral Forest but I do like how they incorporated it into the worldbuilding. I like that being in the Citadel's shadow kinda chokes the life out of these other natural areas.

[autumn trail]

verdania lets you skip another of the old heart fights by ||using the green prince’s heart in place of it||, so it’s not completely useless

[silk dirge]

conductors messing with void would go so hard i kinda want to see it now

[foggy fractal]

yeah I don't like the direction they went with things
I'd rather have a more alive and extensive act 2 then reducing things and trying to fit it in act 3
not to say that the art in the game isn't beautiful though like imagine having to be Ari and drawing all that

[spark valve]

if you just watch the announcement trailer it's super obvious that pharloom bay was gonna be on the right not to mention the bilewater weavenest room and the pale lake

[lapis creek]

act 3 is stunning visually

[stuck berry]

i'm talking about pale stag

[sinful nimbus]

But its not as cool as my vision

[lapis creek]

and i would argue it has the best music and boss fights as well

[timber pond]

man is using this fan image as his belief

[chrome atlas]

nothing ever is

[autumn trail]

It was rather annoying to fight

[stuck berry]

love is being called intermission that's awesome

[steep ridge]

I could make a better silksong than team cherry

[silk dirge]

this goes hard

[silver spire]

what is this 😭

[chrome atlas]

hey we gotta get sharpe in here somehow
also 'man' c'mon fam it's next to my name

[silk dirge]

boat to steel city my beloved

[foggy fractal]

speaking of Sharpe

[sinful nimbus]

😔

[foggy fractal]

actually nah I already talked about this before I'm just gonna grab some of my messages

[sinful nimbus]

Imagine building Bonebottom up and it gets new establishments as time goes on

[timber pond]

Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/HollowKnight/comments/1nxi2ei/spoilers_quick_concept_map_of_silksong_dlc_based/

[silk dirge]

yeah thatd go hard

[lapis creek]

with what material

[inner torrent]

So with the new weapons of silskong, we kinda know most of the weapons in hollow knight world right?

Nail spear
Nail
Pin
Pin-nail
Needle
Husks/Horns (extracted from beasts and used like maces)
Hammers (like hegemol's)
Scissors (either connected or dual like dual swords.
Scythe claws
Claw boomerangs
Gun/shots/cannon basically fire weapons
Tacks
Rings
Balls
Bombs?
And that weird thing the father flame occultists use

[sinful nimbus]

This isn't Ori

[timber pond]

I would want that as Act 4

[alpine talon]

That whould be very cool if they did this, pharloom bay is also an unused real area

[sinful nimbus]

You do quests (Actually fun quests not the ones we have now) to uplift the spirits and help the town

[chrome atlas]

act 4 dlc where we help rebuild what's left after act 3 trust

[foggy fractal]

ok so regarding backer stuff its either
TC is saving it for a dlc
TC reached an agreement to not add those contents with the backers and paid them back, possibly due to having to wait so long

we're missing a backer boss (sharpe)
we're missing two dungeons (the one in game being Khann's tower)
we're missing one village (antlion village)

[silk dirge]

and it fits with my idea of the conductors fucking shit up with void and you have to fortify towns in a struggle against the conductors

[steep ridge]

and then it still gets destroyed

[pure belfry]

omg that is really cool. Basically would make it an entire spinoff game directly connected to Silksong's map

[spark valve]

we probably don't know all the weapons in the world since different realms use different ones

[inner torrent]

Is Seth's shield still a coin or is it just a shield now?

[stuck berry]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-of-clans-gif-9483385

[foggy fractal]

chat is this accurate

[chrome atlas]

It's a cymbal

[stuck berry]

flick the fixer every damn time

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah and its probably the first one

Zi foreshadows the steel assassins

[silk dirge]

hopefully dlc

[lapis creek]

there are like 4 people there

[steep ridge]

always bet on city of steel dlc

[foggy fractal]

Seth if he got serious

[sinful nimbus]

Then make more people

[lapis creek]

im not saying it's good that they made it knockoff dirtmouth

[sinful nimbus]

You aren't thinking outside the box

[visual glacier]

What do you guys think of this skarr hierarchy I made?(also size comparison chart but I didn’t make that)

[lapis creek]

but they made it knockoff dirtmouth

[silk dirge]

if i was a backer being impatient with silksong would be kinda cringe tbh

[inner torrent]

I'm curious of what new "mini" weapons we will get.
What other small stuff we humans use that could be weapons?

[lapis creek]

songclave should be the one you build up

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah and that sucks

[lapis creek]

deep in enemy territory

[silk dirge]

like if im investing in a game i want them to take their time and not rush it

[sinful nimbus]

You should be building up all towns

[timber pond]

The latter i have confirmed Is Unlikely But i can only share Evidence in DMS.

[foggy fractal]

yep and god do I hope you're right that its DLC

[sinful nimbus]

Bonebottom is just the one I'm most attached to

[steep ridge]

is it because of the music

[timber pond]

I already did with you nvm lol

[foggy fractal]

yep

[silk dirge]

fortifying all the towns and uniting them in a struggle against conductors messing with void

i want it

[chrome atlas]

I forgot how absolutely huge Old Karmelita is

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[steep ridge]

fair

[sinful nimbus]

The second part of the Bonebottom theme feels hopeful and uplifting

Complete disconnect from the real Bonebottom

Meet potential town

[inner torrent]

The size different of red ants is crazy like

[silk dirge]

i will say definitely keep the skull tyrant jumpscare that shit is funny as fuck

[steep ridge]

I don't know it doesn't feel that uplifting

[chrome atlas]

She's who you play the music for to get to the Karmelita fight

[inner torrent]

Act 3, the same zone the rest, you need silk soar

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah you can have a few hiccups and then the town bounces back stronger

[silk dirge]

but maybe have it be like bonebottom can be ready at different points for it

[silk dirge]

no so like maybe if you finished these specific quests bone bottom is ready and fights it off but if you dont its a hiccup

[steep ridge]

honestly the idea of it being built up would make it being completely destroyed in act 3 hit harder

[sinful nimbus]

Man listen to this part where the piano changes and the strings kick in and it feels like you can only go up from here https://youtu.be/e6b-lWhn8pg?t=102

[inner torrent]

Do you think dlc's will just work over the 3 acts we have by now or add a new act 4?

[foggy fractal]

ok tbf they've been waiting like 10ish years ? just to not have it be in game yet
and we don't know their like monetary situation maybe they needed that money back desperately
idk what kickstarter's rules are though so take everything I say with like a handful of salt

[sinful nimbus]

The way I envision it the song starts with the depressing beginning, a short little harp(?) interlude of reflection, and then an uplifting ending

[silk dirge]

oh yeah that is true

[inner torrent]

Which one and what you mean with first try?

[timber pond]

Difficult to say. but i would think Act 3+ for truly "new" stuff and not new mechanics.

[steep ridge]

I feel like that symbolizes the pilgrims in general, they have the false hope with the citadel pushing them through the horrible trials of their pilgrimage

[lapis creek]

i will say it feels like they forgot about bonebottom and they can do better with it

[chrome atlas]

Probably both

[lapis creek]

but idk how exactly

[foggy fractal]

and they paid like 800 bucks for it
that's a sizeable amount of money to care about

[visual glacier]

That’s the missing image bro

[silk dirge]

anyways in my alt silksong final boss could definitely be like lost lace and gms duo fight

that would be pretty cool

[timber pond]

Well it would be satisfying if Sharpe became like a mian chracter kind of like LAce is

[inner torrent]

You forgot of far fields lava flood?
And no, I kinda took a lot of damage (I kinda would have died if not for lifeblood overdose)

[steep ridge]

in my alt silksong the final boss is flick the fixer

[toxic mulch]

I think I might've taken damage but I finished the climb first try

[sinful nimbus]

I feel like it'd make more sense for the soundtrack to emphasize how the player/Hornet is feeling rather than the pilgrims

But also Hornet is supposed to restore hope to the pilgrims as well

[lapis creek]

in my alt silksong the final boss is gms but hard and involving some platforming

[timber pond]

Take it up With Christopher larkin i guess lol

[lapis creek]

and you have to get the old hearts involved somehow to get the true ending

[silver spire]

its in the that loop on the map in lower far fields to the left of the weavenest

[sinful nimbus]

SCREAM IF YOU hate CHRISTOPHER LARKIN

[silk dirge]

have it be you fight those bosses in the real world

[foggy fractal]

again idk what kickstarters rules are
but would you tolerate potentally waiting 15 years for something like this

[steep ridge]

I don't know, bonebottom itself is the depressing start for a depressing pilgrimage, it'd make sense for the music to focus on the feeling with the pilgrims

[muted lantern]

can someone explain all we know about where shakra comes from?

[inner torrent]

What would be the implications of queen of silk ending? Did the kingdom fall due the silkfall? Will something happen to hornet?

[sinful nimbus]

Nah he did a wonderful job and its still a great track it just could've been better in the context of the game

[lapis creek]

it's also very old

[toxic mulch]

Who would hate him he's done amazing work

[spark valve]

You can’t actually just want radiance 2 like I get tc isn’t the most original in ss but cmon

[lapis creek]

it precedes the invention of act 3 abyss by like half a decade

[silk dirge]

congratulations you are a fish

[toxic mulch]

What

[foggy fractal]

me asf: 🤐

[silk dirge]

that was really clearly bait 😭

[inner torrent]

Not much.

a tribe of warriors that usually likes to wander and explore, so probably they work as wanderers, they have a curious use of weapons and (spells?) their weapons seem to be beads and rings.
Master Hu could be part of it

[sinful nimbus]

Its also the start of Hornet's journey

[toxic mulch]

[timber pond]

Who knows, Thats between them. But Team Cherry is known to Care enough about the backers to include them in the credits of both games and still Use thier Ideas even if thier plans change.

So i have faith idk

[sinful nimbus]

What I'm saying is it should accurately reflect both

[steep ridge]

I suppose

[toxic mulch]

They should put the cut ending back in the game

[silk dirge]

i feel like team cherry probably gave the backer an update and their under an nda

or smth like that idk

[lapis creek]

if they really want there to be a higher being in the citadel and they want us to take it seriously they cant just brush it off early

[silk dirge]

that feels like the right thing to do in this situation

[spark valve]

gms is narratively a joke anyways

[timber pond]

Nah They had no idea. I have proof.

[toxic mulch]

No,it's an even worse ending for pharloom

[chrome atlas]

So legally Kickstarter doesn't have to chase people up about actually paying money, but the legal entities behind the kickstarters are liable to get sued depending on where they're stationed. KS can blacklist them, but otherwise it's more-or-less out of their hands. If you decide after the KS ends that you don't want a thing, then tough shit, you have to get a chargeback or take it up with the company

[elder rune]

Okay to be honest a giant horde of ants mimicking the forms of different monsters or characters would actually be a baller idea for a boss in Hollow Knight!

[sinful nimbus]

No higher beings give us the Conductor big bads persecuting the poor little weavers like we DESERVED

[steep ridge]

radiance 2!

[silk dirge]

i want my void messing conductors

[spark valve]

gms isn’t just a nothing burger because the fight is whatever she’s barely even an entity

[steep ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/e3-peggle-jump-two-gif-13350703

[sinful nimbus]

(for the record the fight is also whatever)

[silk dirge]

ok tbh i like weavers not being good guys

[sinful nimbus]

Very bad first impression

[lapis creek]

im ok with not having gms be in the game at all but i think we kind of knew going in that the subject of pharloom's folly was probably going to be a higher being, and im operating based on that assumption

[toxic mulch]

GMS is a pushover of a fight but that's fine imo

[spark valve]

She has way fewer moves

[elder rune]

She’s the Hollow Knight of Silksong

[sinful nimbus]

And not as much phase variety

[steep ridge]

I like gms somewhat because of the silk hearts

[inner torrent]

Its funny because, I feel like if gms and pale king met the world would kinda be in a great state
They would fuck
Join together and create sibling kingdoms, and defeat radiance or smth with silk

[sinful nimbus]

She's a fun fight its just bizarre how she's a blatant ripoff of a better one in HK

[toxic mulch]

GMS is the hollow knight equivalent and they were also kinda a pushover

[lapis creek]

yeah ive been saying they should have made her important or quit while they were ahead

[spark valve]

One of which is good but still way too easy to avoid

[lapis creek]

if you want to have her there you actually give her something to do in act 3

[toxic mulch]

GMS isn't meant to be a radiance equivalent in difficulty nor story

[timber pond]

what the fuck

[elder rune]

Would be cool to have a rematch in which she’s even stronger and uses more complex silk skills.

[lapis creek]

she wakes up and starts wreaking havoc and that's the threat instead of just void

[inner torrent]

Also radiance is kinda weak most of the time is hard due to hollow knight dual fight

[silk dirge]

lost lace gms duo fight

[toxic mulch]

GMS godhome version would be nice

[sinful nimbus]

Unlike THK there is no emotional depth to GMS being a weak loser baby

[lapis creek]

yes

[steep ridge]

you get healed at the start of radiance thk doesn't really add much

[silk dirge]

i feel like that is kinda split with lace 2 and gms

[spark valve]

I mean I agree the act 3 we have is bleh and should’ve been something more cohesive

[inner torrent]

Silk primordial or smth

[elder rune]

Actually there is, and it’s the fact all of her Weaver children willingly abandoned and imprisoned her lol

[silk dirge]

lace 2 is definitely meant to be more emotional at the end

[toxic mulch]

Mostly fatigue if anything

[foggy fractal]

on this topic
why did gms capture jornet

[spark valve]

To eat her

[toxic mulch]

To use her silk

[inner torrent]

IT DOES??? DAMN I WASTED SO MUCH SOUL HEALING EACH TIME

[steep ridge]

no that's hornet, he means jornet

[toxic mulch]

Ah of course

[sinful nimbus]

And I'm supposed to care why...

[foggy fractal]

😨 .... 😱 then control everything ??? then make a lace ?? (lace 2 ?)

[elder rune]

Jornet’s my favorite Pablo character

[silk dirge]

honestly i kinda want to write out my full idea for a silksong in which act 3 happens with conductors fucking around with void

[toxic mulch]

Can't wait for hollow knight:Pablo!

[silk dirge]

writing stories is really fun

even if mine would probably be shit

[timber pond]

I mean, She was bassicaly exploited for her power and in turn she exploited The people later on. The story is less about Emotional stakes and more about How Pharloom is stuck in an exploitative cycle.

[lyric rose]

What was elder hu even doing in fungal wastes?

[lapis creek]

act 1 reach the citadel act 2 fight the conductors and then either flee or completely dethrone them, leading to act 3 gms is unleashed upon the kingdom causing widespread destruction coming from above and you have to figure out how to kill her with the help of possibly the old hearts

[inner torrent]

There kinda is? She just wake up from being sealed for thousand of years by the citadel and weavers

[spark valve]

The game expecting you to randomly be very emotionally invested in lace is really funny though

[lyric rose]

That’s like the dumbest place to try and heal the infection

[inner torrent]

She would be basically in a similar state to hornet in the start of act 1

[sinful nimbus]

Because those exploitative cycles are oh so easy to break

That's why she's easy, of course

[elder rune]

Yeah, which is why the true ending of Silksong is Hornet Breaking this cycle instead of replacing Grandmother Silk as Goddess Empress of Pharloom.

[spark valve]

(Lace 2 is the best one)

[inner torrent]

Imagine a trio fight, lace, gms and phantom

[lyric rose]

Lace two killed me the most

[toxic mulch]

I mean I felt bad for lace but it wasn't as gut wrenchingly cruel as what happened to the vessels

[foggy fractal]

where is Lace 4 ?

[sinful nimbus]

Lace has no sauce

[foggy fractal]

who does

[spark valve]

Just wait it’ll probably be in the last content update or some shit

[sinful nimbus]

Her cutscene was cool

[stuck berry]

ass jim

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah true

[lapis creek]

what if they had actually made her evil instead of just mommy issues

[steep ridge]

honestly the way this channel talks about silksong sometimes I feel like I gaslit myself into liking it 🥴

[foggy fractal]

does Karmelita have sauce

[timber pond]

Well, If you beat her without fucking thisngs up first, hornet just becomes apart of that cycle. Act 3 is bassicaly "you gotta fuck up the system irrepriably first before you fix it"

[toxic mulch]

Ass Jim best boss in the game

[edgy nebula]

itll be a postgame fight in act 4 when every dlc gets added

[stuck berry]

lace 2 is in my top 3 top 5 for the whole series maybe

[inner torrent]

Wdym look at her thighs

[sinful nimbus]

You must follow the opinion of the masses (vocal minority)

[silver spire]

exactly, ppl took the phrase "temper your expectations" and just straight up tossed it in the trash

[steep ridge]

true...

[elder rune]

I feel bad for Phantom, they were essentially yeeted by Grandmother Silk into Sinners Road to keep the Stillkin out with the Mist and slowly age away from their lack of silk.

[lyric rose]

I have not died to lace 1 at all, I took about an hour or so to beat Lost Lace, and Lace 2 was beating me up all evening even after I kept chugging flea brew

[sinful nimbus]

What are the lace 2 flowers even

[foggy fractal]

everblooms !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lapis creek]

theyre just flowers

[steep ridge]

but it's like, I really do understand a lot of other people's problems with ss even if I myself was incredibly satisfied with what we got

[stuck berry]

meet potential woman
promises complex relationship with hornet, never gets touched on outside of two scenes
0 aura 0 replay value 7 times fought uhhhh

[foggy fractal]

silk flowers trust

[spark valve]

Oh yeah there’s nothing about that it went nowhere

[sinful nimbus]

That set piece looked way more important than it actually ended up being

[lyric rose]

Then again stilkin are jerks

[spark valve]

Like bruh

[foggy fractal]

lmao !

[steep ridge]

set dressing to look cool

[silk dirge]

my idea is act 1 is the same act 2 you ascend to fight the conductors and i think it would genuinely be interesting to have an actual bad ending where you fail to accomplish anything and get killed by conductors and then act 3 happens you challenge conductors and you resist them killing you but they spread the void or some shit and you have to unite the entire kingdom against them

[toxic mulch]

If they were everblooms hornet would've just taken one of those instead of getting the hearts

[elder rune]

They’re completely justified jerks

[edgy nebula]

it amazes me how every fight ingame (even beastfly) has more aura than lace's fights

[chrome atlas]

you will find very few online spaces more miserable than #sk-lore
The game's totally fine (dare I say good?), this is just the channel people go to to complain about it

[lapis creek]

fail to accomplish anything is crazy but im intrigued

[foggy fractal]

yeah I hate Silksong.

[toxic mulch]

Lace has one of the best boss themes tho

[steep ridge]

they're justified but oh my god they are so intense

[lyric rose]

Gang lace makes sense

[edgy nebula]

nt as good as khann's

[spark valve]

Because people totally can’t have criticisms of things they like

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong sucks we all hate it and we're gatekeeping all Silksong fans from tainting our glorious lore community

[lyric rose]

Initially she strikes Hornet out of the cage so silk doesn’t get a new plaything and toss her out

[foggy fractal]

not as good as cogwork dancers !

[lyric rose]

She fights Hornet to kill her early on

[timber pond]

Nuh uh

[steep ridge]

groal is actually one of my favorite characters in the series

[edgy nebula]

not as good as strive!

[toxic mulch]

God forbid people criticize games they love

[lapis creek]

if you really want to have an insane apocalyptic scenario at the end, using the higher being is the most straightforward way to do it imo

[spark valve]

People are definitely in this channel because they hate the game and not to discuss the narrative and their opinions about it

[silk dirge]

like it would be interesting to have an ending that isnt like ambiguous if its good or bad like weaver queen or thk or sealed siblings but straight up terrible where like hornet gets killed or captured into whatever experiment the conductors are doing

[steep ridge]

we should all blindly like stuff this is true

[foggy fractal]

yeah its not like everything about it is a shitshow

[elder rune]

Popular & beloved things are often hated for the sake of complaining since our society encourages cynicism and wanting to tear things down for having flaws.

[inner torrent]

Ermmm...

[random aspen]

is this dude plotting something

[timber pond]

Lifeblood:

[foggy fractal]

we ? have opinions ? crazy...

[lyric rose]

Then when she fights in the cradle she’s basically a cornered animal unleashing everything she has to stop Hornet from reaching mama silk

[spark valve]

Doesn’t seem to be

[toxic mulch]

I love silksong but I can admit it has some faults

[edgy barn]

Cursed Child

[sinful nimbus]

Speak for yourself

[silver spire]

dare i say, lace is one of the best boss themes in the entire game, and i struggle to come up with any tracks better than it

[inner torrent]

Yes, he is like that fatty from fog canons, a thief

[sinful nimbus]

I for one hate this game

[steep ridge]

no I'm talking about the criticisms I see that I just go "yeah that's fair..." to a lot of the time

[foggy fractal]

😱

[stuck berry]

just has an ant problem

[silk dirge]

ok cursed child is silly that doesnt really count lol

[spark valve]

Hallownest clears the glorious land of gods vs the polluted slave land

[edgy stone]

Boss needolin dialouge is really cool

[edgy nebula]

nyleth, khann, widow, strive, cogworks core

[silk dirge]

yeah its bad but its not like THE bad ending

[edgy nebula]

lace is great but i dont think her theme beats those

[foggy fractal]

I love this game... we should have more room in our heart to love.

[edgy stone]

Cant believe I didnt try using needolin a single time during a boss fight

[silver spire]

yeahhhhh... lace is still better than these composition wise

[steep ridge]

hornet and gms die that seems pretty definitive

[toxic mulch]

It just seems too risky lol

[silver spire]

i don't know what world you live in, but in no way is cogwork core better than lace

[timber pond]

IT is techincally THE WORST ending in the franchise lol

[spark valve]

Hegemol snapping one in half over his knee:

[foggy fractal]

the ever great 5 great knights of hallownest:

[random aspen]

my fav song in ss is choral chambers cus im a normie

[lapis creek]

i think it wouldve been cool if lace was trying to dethrone the conductors and that put her into an alliance with hornet only for it to be revealed that she was in it to awaken gms

[edgy stone]

Cogwork core is the best song in the game

[lapis creek]

and you then have to murder lace in cold blood

[spark valve]

Also there are only four choruses Hallownest has a bunch more big robots

[silver spire]

khann and nyleth are both good tracks, but lace in it's orchestration edges it out

[steep ridge]

are we gonna have hallownest vs pharloom agenda posting now

[silk dirge]

but its not like a main bad ending as in what happens it feels like a kind of side secret ending

[elder rune]

Pale Court Mystic Ze’mer would solo

[lapis creek]

how do you know there are only four

[timber pond]

Kinda edgy man

[foggy fractal]

powerscaling discussion 🤑

[silver spire]

cogwork dancers is on par with trobbio, which is a layer below lace

[steep ridge]

last judge could smear dung defender

[edgy stone]

It seems like weavers are significantly more advanced than both

[silk dirge]

like imagine an ending where conductors actually kill you or capture you or some shit like that

[spark valve]

I mean the named one is the fourth and we see three more seems like there are four

[sinful nimbus]

You're right, between the unique usage of silk in gameplay, fast paced acrobatic combat, thrilling and awesome bosses, creative and charming setting, and engaging quests, Monster Hunter Rise is surely the best game of the decade

[edgy stone]

Weird how the weavers in deepnest had none of their fancy technology

[elder rune]

The power of yuri is quite the powerful one

[toxic mulch]

I mean the weavers had teleportation tech they're VERY advanced

[silk dirge]

:catplush:

[lyric rose]

Once hornet’s actually managed to snare silk she rescues hornet so silk doesn’t take hornet to hell with her

[spark valve]

So true

[lapis creek]

i can accept that

[elder rune]

Maybe they’re Weaver Amish?

[random aspen]

husk guard can no diff karmelita

[chrome atlas]

oh god no bring back the complaints, push out the powerscaling

[spark valve]

If silksong had gore magala it would be good

[foggy fractal]

of the decade ? first hollow knight is right there bud.

[steep ridge]

nah bring in the powerscaling

[edgy stone]

The deepnest weavers were just the most stupid of their kin

[lyric rose]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[sinful nimbus]

we ain't in the 2010s cuh 💔

[lyric rose]

lol.

[silver spire]

widow and strive are similar levels of awesome, both are almost if not jsut as good as lace, but their complexity is just a bit of step below

[steep ridge]

radiance could clean out the entirety of pharloom without even blinking

[lyric rose]

They can’t even find a new site

[spark valve]

Insane cope

[elder rune]

Regardless on whether Pharloom or Hallownest is stronger, I think we can all agree that the Steel Masters are bum ass frauds

[foggy fractal]

hungry knight.

[edgy stone]

I wish pale king had more combat feats, I want to put him against silk

[silk dirge]

anyways it would be interesting if like romino was a conductor who defected and tried to spin lace to oppose the other conductors or some shit

[random aspen]

bro just typing shit

[lapis creek]

gms loses

[sinful nimbus]

Is GMS a demipale being

[lyric rose]

Nah the Pale Wyrm shows up, gets silk caught in his throat, coughs her up… leaves cuz he has spiderwebs in his throat

[silk dirge]

i am not cooking

[silver spire]

fair, cogwork dancers is a REALLY good track in it's third phase, but as a COMPOSITION it isn't as coherent

[edgy stone]

We only know about the pale Kamehameha unfortunately

[spark valve]

Yes

[lapis creek]

i think gms would lose to karmelita if she had the snail snare

[random aspen]

buzzsaws cut silk so he wins

[elder rune]

Pale King doesn’t need to be strong, he just needs to be a great leader (And godawful father)

[steep ridge]

pale king should've used the pale spirit bomb against radiance, why didn't he

[foggy fractal]

I think karmelita is cool

[spark valve]

She would

[lyric rose]

In Wyrm form PK absolutely beats silk

[edgy stone]

Does the pale king get a pale kamehema off or does silk speedblitz

[sinful nimbus]

GMS loses to everyone

[lapis creek]

gms would lose to nosk

[spark valve]

gms loses to hornet and karmelita rivals her skill therefore gms loses to karmelita

[random aspen]

gms is like weaker than unn 🥀

[foggy fractal]

wasn't there dialogue saying karmelita was as strong as hornet or smth ?

[steep ridge]

failed at the first one but at least he succeeded with the second one

[elder rune]

Steel Masters are frauds who’d get no-diffed by Zote

[silk dirge]

lets be real karmelita is way better than hornet shes just coping

[sinful nimbus]

Skynx is gathering enough silkeaters to consume GMS once and for all

[lapis creek]

nosk simply disguises itself as lace and the game is over

[steep ridge]

true...

[lapis creek]

we made a higher being that can be stalemated by nosk

[spark valve]

Lace tries so hard to hype gms up and then she’s a fucking joke

[foggy fractal]

is there any karmelita haters out there I don't think a single one exists

[edgy stone]

Silk and the radiance are just really stupid

[lyric rose]

Nosk imitates lace, gets all the silk, the real lace is malnourished and dies, then Nosk snaps silk’s neck in her sleep

[random aspen]

bardoon jumps once and pharloom crumbles into a bardillion pieces

[elder rune]

Anyways powerscaling is stupid and food is smart okay bye

[chrome atlas]

reddit because she parries every once in a while

[edgy stone]

All they had to do to win was move away from the thing trying to kill them and spam their range attacks

[sinful nimbus]

Those who claim themselves gods can rarely match the title, after all.

[foggy fractal]

no way really

[spark valve]

She who would snuff out hope of having fun with a single glance

[edgy stone]

Why did the radiance facetank the knight

[silk dirge]

theres people on r/silksong who hate first sinner

[lyric rose]

Five pebbles falls onto Hallownest, everyone dies except Menderbug

[inner torrent]

Guys, how mixed do you think deepnest weavers were? Or are they like, the same weavers that got there thousands of years ago?

[silk dirge]

its crazy

[edgy stone]

What made radiance think that a good idea

[lapis creek]

gms would lose to vespa

[lyric rose]

Stupids

[lapis creek]

thats what she gets for railing against nature

[chrome atlas]

it's like a 60/40 split between people who like karmelita and people with wrong opinions

[random aspen]

hes probably like 9000 years old he has a strong mind

[foggy fractal]

no... no... this,,, CAN'T,,,,,, BE...

[edgy stone]

Karmelita is really fun but her spike attack is a bit on the annoying side unfortunately

[foggy fractal]

🙏

[steep ridge]

can't believe people have opinions

[sinful nimbus]

Wait the team cherry hate sub must be popping off lmao brb I'm making a reddit account

[spark valve]

TRUE

[lyric rose]

If you just keep mashing attack you can basically parry every hit of some multi hit attacks

[foggy fractal]

AND THEIR OPINION IS WRONG RAGH

[edgy stone]

She couldve stayed as the sun and spammed her orbs

[sinful nimbus]

No posts for 2 years 💔

[steep ridge]

didn't even think of that oh my goodness

[lyric rose]

Even with hunters it works against the spinny boys in far fields

[spark valve]

Post something

[silk dirge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Silksong/comments/1nmcnl3/first_sinner_is_a_horribly_designed_fight/

[foggy fractal]

you can be the first in two years ❤️‍🩹

[silk dirge]

😭

[lyric rose]

What your PFP isn’t Gru?

[chrome atlas]

damn rest in peace team cherry hate sub, you would have loved the simplified chinese silksong translation

[edgy stone]

I do wish first sinner had more to her but the fight itself is fun

[foggy fractal]

0 upvotes 😔

[random aspen]

fifty eight comments

[spark valve]

How would it be

[edgy barn]

They are most likely the same. We know thanks to Widow that Weavers have extremely long lifespan.

[steep ridge]

they hated jesus because he spoke the truth

[sinful nimbus]

I will post a three part critique
ACT 1: GAMEPLAY
ACT 2: PROGRESSION
ACT 3: NARRATIVE

[dire sinew]

?av tammo

[gleaming basin]

tammo6424

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[lyric rose]

Joseph Anderson wakes up…

[dire sinew]

i see it

[steep ridge]

silksong sucks they should've put sans undertale in the game like with hollow knight

[edgy stone]

We need a pale king dlc with a 8 phase fight

[silk dirge]

awakening...? say that again?

[edgy stone]

Pale king goes ultra super wyrm mode in phase 6 and eats all of pharloom

[lyric rose]

wake up

[foggy fractal]

?av andy070609

[gleaming basin]

andy0706090923

Server Avatar

[lyric rose]

Why’d you leave the kids up on the table?

[foggy fractal]

WHO ??

[silk dirge]

?av a_pogseal

[gleaming basin]

a\_pogseal

Server Avatar

[lapis creek]

ironically the greatest weakness of each act

[silk dirge]

this photo is goated

[lapis creek]

jk the gameplay in act 1 is pretty good

[spark valve]

Fighting pk would just be him using infinite soul to create an infinitely large aoe attack dealing infinite damage

[silk dirge]

i took it myself on a camping and rafting trip

minus the seal

[edgy stone]

Phase 7 is dodging parts falling off the wyrm corpse and phase 8 is fighting a newly reborn pale king that is just a reskinned hollow knight

[foggy fractal]

so insta kill

[sinful nimbus]

He really is a shagaru magala

[steep ridge]

infinite soul therefore he uses d dark for every attack

[silk dirge]

apparently the pink in the sky was caused by some sort of wildfire

[foggy fractal]

who ?

[edgy stone]

The knight should just summon a void aura to consume the soul

[foggy fractal]

its not real ???

[sinful nimbus]

Died of old age 2024 born 2025 welcome back Powdered

[edgy stone]

So yall ready for the black wyrm in ss

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway his charm produces infinite soul and his children are very proficient in soul usage

[inner torrent]

You know what could be cool? A spell crest that makes your spell take all of your silk but have triple damage.
But now you can only heal two masks/or heal like the knight from hollow knight (including ground only)

[sinful nimbus]

His palace also uses a bunch of soul tech

[silk dirge]

the seal is real i just havent seen it irl

[edgy stone]

Yeah all the gods have some sort of domain they control

Pale kings is presumably soul

Well control or have a very strong mastery over

[silk dirge]

this specific seal is from one of those videos that would randomly pop up in your recommended

[foggy fractal]

powdered died ? :C

[sinful nimbus]

Well PK's main thing is uplifting the minds of bugs around him

[sinful nimbus]

At the ripe old age of 106 yes 😔

[inner torrent]

Pale king and White lady have Soul, but they use it different.
Pale king focuses in mind, transcend in intelligence.
White lady more into the "Life" part of soul, breeding and fertility

[foggy fractal]

we gotta hold a funeral

[sinful nimbus]

So he does have soul affinity

[last peak]

he was so young, too 😔

[steep ridge]

yes it does

[inner torrent]

This makes me think all pale beings are soul related
And is the reason I feel like the radiance is not really pale

[last peak]

i don't think the radiance was ever said to be pale

[steep ridge]

yeah radiance isn't pale you just need to look at her compared to the actual pale beings

[last peak]

unless im missing something

[edgy stone]

Well soul might technically be related to dream essence

[sinful nimbus]

Well the fact that he and his wife made a wedding ring that produces infinite soul seems to suggest it is within their powerset

[lyric rose]

Who

[steep ridge]

pale beings aren't necessarily stronger than standard higher beings

[lyric rose]

She does use Pale Nails though.

[sinful nimbus]

Even if he didn't literally have infinite of the stuff he could probably take it from the air

[elder rune]

Godseeker on her way to call some random feral beast “Gluttonous god of defecation” or smth:

[lyric rose]

Unn ain’t beating the Wyrm lol

[steep ridge]

okay but none of the pale beings are as strong as radiance

also nightmare king grimm, can't forget that guy

[sinful nimbus]

If Radiance was a pale being, Vespa's usage of "The Pale Beings" to refer to the Pale King and White Lady would be very strange wording

[lyric rose]

We get the Pale Nails silk skill from her severed arm

Visually it matches with First Sinner’s needles and Silk’s own needles

[edgy barn]

GMS is refferred to as the Pale Monarch, reffered to as Hornet's Pale Kin, and refferred to as a Being Pale.

oh

[lyric rose]

Oh I thought you were talking about silk

[edgy barn]

same lol

[sinful nimbus]

[steep ridge]

radiance uses the pale nails didn't you know

[inner torrent]

Yes but I have seen a lot of people saying she is.
But her light is always described more like "Warm" like the sun, and the sun isn't pale.

[lyric rose]

She just uses swords. Not nails, swords. Calling something a sword is something of an insult to things that wield nails.

[edgy barn]

I have pale nails too what does that make me

[lyric rose]

DOES YOUR SKIN TURN PALE FROM SUN EXPOSURE

DIDNT THINK SO

[muted lantern]

is shakra from pharloom?

[steep ridge]

no

[last peak]

dont think so

[edgy barn]

You got the right idea with the wrong example buddy

[lyric rose]

No it’s orange, look at Trump

Hes orange

His skin’s orange

[inner torrent]

What kind of gods would pharloom bosses be?

[muted lantern]

just checked, shes from pharlooms edge according to her hunters journal entry

[inner torrent]

God of Pharmacy Overdose
For the lifeblood nameless boss

[spark valve]

Warrior cartographer of a tribe from Pharloom's edge.
adjacent

[steep ridge]

I like how pale king is just paul atreides then both other pale beings are weird as shit in some way

[muted lantern]

yeah just found that in the text dump

[edgy stone]

The whole pale and higher being definition shit is just really odd, I do like the idea of pale beings just being higher beings with a focus of soul manipulation

[edgy barn]

Greater Conchflies: Encrusted Gods of Companionship.
Enraged Conchfly: Raging God of Grief.

[inner torrent]

I mean technically they are?

[elder rune]

Groal the Great: “Vengeful god of filth”

[steep ridge]

it really just seems to be higher beings that desire dominion over bugs in some form

[edgy stone]

Which could fit the radiance as well if we do count dream essence as a byproduct of soul, given that damaging the radiance and dream bosses do give you soul

[inner torrent]

Most pale beings are either higher beings
Or have the potential to be.
The vessels and hornet for example
Not sure how sherma fits but we don't know what kind of power he has

[lyric rose]

Crust King Khan: Hardened God of Conquest

[foggy fractal]

oh are we doing godhome titles

[inner torrent]

Omg crust king Khan gonna be so easy lol compared to Nyleth and Carmelita fights lmao

[steep ridge]

Phantom: Forgotten God of Silk

[edgy stone]

I do think both white lady and pale king would probably kick our asses if they ever fought

[steep ridge]

made of silk

[inner torrent]

Nyleth, Goddess of Fertility

[lyric rose]

Trobbio: Eccentric God of the Arts
Tormented Trobbio: Mournful God of Nihilism

[steep ridge]

I don't know what else Phantom would be the God of, fucking God of Mist

[foggy fractal]

TRUE

[edgy stone]

So are gret root and nyleth

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ Mist God

[inner torrent]

Phantom, God of the Opera.

[edgy nebula]

khann: god of potential

[steep ridge]

mayeb they'd use the term Forgotten God of Thread instead

[foggy fractal]

potential man 💔

[last peak]

Frayed God of the Organ

[edgy stone]

2nd version of phantom should be embroidered phantom

It would be a sick ass name

[edgy barn]

God of the Discarded? Phantom is GMS's trash that takes out the citadel's trash

[lyric rose]

Shakra: Nomadic God of Loyalty

[inner torrent]

I love how unequal gms daughters are.

One is a main character that is literally the final boss
The other is a phantom of the opera reference

[steep ridge]

Lost Lace: Lost God of Void and Thread

[lyric rose]

Cogwork Dancers: Imitating Gods of Devotion

[inner torrent]

Green Princes: Divine Couple of Pride

[edgy barn]

Ah yes, Phantom. My favorite narrative afterthought.

[steep ridge]

calling any bosses gods is inaccurate

she's made of thread that's why I said that

[last peak]

probably except for the higher beings but yeah

[silver spire]

Clover Dancers: Twin gods of vainglory

[inner torrent]

Godseekers and godtamer don't think the same

[lyric rose]

Sister Splinter: Fierce God of the Woods

[edgy nebula]

khann: Bygone God of Crust

[steep ridge]

yes so she's God of Silk, what the fuck would Lace be the God of

[mystic jungle]

no incest in my video game

[foggy fractal]

song

[inner torrent]

Beastfly: Fools God of the Primitivism

[foggy fractal]

God of silk and song 🗣️

[lyric rose]

Savage Beastfly: Despicable God of Rage

[steep ridge]

God of Fencing

[edgy barn]

Uhhh violence? That's pretty much all she does.

[inner torrent]

Lace: Holy God of the Fabrics

[edgy stone]

Probably be somwthing like god of insanity

Phantom would probably be god of the mist or the organ

[silver spire]

Lace: Threadspun god of betrayal

[lyric rose]

Moss Mother: Protective God of Greenery

[steep ridge]

God of The Opera

[inner torrent]

Sherma: Pale God of Innocence

[last peak]

First Sinner: Punished God of Apostasy

[edgy stone]

God of the opera or forsaken god maybe?

[steep ridge]

oh shit that's fire, what would Lost Lace be then

[last peak]

are heresy and apostasy close enough or did i just say something stupid

[inner torrent]

What is the name of the threads that a piano has?

[edgy stone]

The phantom refight should be a prime version

[silver spire]

apostasy is turning away from beliefs, heresy is making false claims of a belief

[lyric rose]

Widow: Malformed God of Control

[inner torrent]

Phantom: Forgotten God of the Wire.

[edgy nebula]

widow: mutilated god of loyalty

[sleek lintel]

Are phantom and lace siblings? They're both made of thread

[silver spire]

like for example, apostasy is blasphemy against the holy spirit, while heresy is saying that joseph smith is a prophet of God

[last peak]

alright those are different enough that i think saying heresy there is probably inaccurate then imo

[steep ridge]

one of them calls the other sister in the exhaust organ needolin dialogue

[lyric rose]

Last Judge: Watchful God of Judgement

[silver spire]

Widow: Staked god of restless service

[sleek lintel]

I need to use my needolin more XD ty

[last peak]

Bell Eater: asshole god that makes me angry to fight

[lyric rose]

Hey Nightmare King Grim is God of Nightmares, Lost Kin is Lost God of the Abyss

[last peak]

(i dont like bell eater)

[chrome atlas]

Lost Lace: God of motherfucker hold STILL that should've HIT YOU

[steep ridge]

Groal the Great: Enraged God of the Waste

[inner torrent]

Are phantom, Sister splitter, Last Judge and Fourth Chorus like, a quartet?

[lyric rose]

Bell Eater: Subterranean God of Gluttony

[steep ridge]

hey can you blame him, the fucking citadel ruined his home beyond repair

[silver spire]

Broodmother: Alluring god of endless breeding

(yes were bringing back the flukemarm reference)

[chrome atlas]

isn't that already flukemarm

[edgy nebula]

flukemarm is alluring god of motherhood

[last peak]

i dont wanna go through this again

[steep ridge]

why didn't groal just enter the mist to kill phantom (the person responsible for bilewater), is he stupid?

[lyric rose]

We got theatre kid, the popular girl, DI-AH-RE-YA, and Rules of Nature

[silver spire]

bro couldn't make it through the mist

[edgy stone]

Groal does seem like an absolute asshole

Hes like if khann was just an angry dickhead

[lyric rose]

At least Khann has a throne

[inner torrent]

Groal so useless that gms didn't came for him

[hazy meadow]

hi chat whats the topic rn

[steep ridge]

groal was justified in his anger then decided to seize power and plan to commit genocide lmao

[silver spire]

were coming up with names for possible godhome statues

[edgy barn]

(Memory Bosses)
First Sinner: Wrathful God of Truth.
Skarrsinger Karmelita: Warrior God of Song.
Nyleth: Lush God of Growth.
Crust King Khann: Tyranical God of Conquest.
Clover Dancers: Love-bound Gods of ||Incest|| Coordination.

[chrome atlas]

groal kept dying to widow, so he couldn't unlock needolin to get through the mist
keep up

[hazy meadow]

oh like before you unlock them?

[lyric rose]

First sinner is.. not exactly a memory… she’s weird

[steep ridge]

clover dancers description

[lyric rose]

You don’t need the back-in-time song to fight her

But you don’t lose your stuff when you die

[inner torrent]

CLOVER DANCERS ARE NOT INCESTUOUS

[last peak]

there's like some weird alternate dimension shenanigins going on from what i've heard, it's strange

first sinner is long dead before you even find her

[edgy nebula]

khann should be Bygone God of Crust

[edgy stone]

Yeah but hes not too angry

[lyric rose]

They’re just members of their species

[hazy meadow]

the way i imagine the first sinner fight is that she won't let hornet simply take her ability, she wants hornet to prove that she deserves to learn her rune rage

[lyric rose]

He mostly just aurafarms

[silver spire]

they were born on exact beat

[inner torrent]

Do you think first sinner kinda wanted to die?

[hazy meadow]

no

[silver spire]

first sinner: bound god of apostasy

[edgy stone]

Groal acting like getting vengeful spirit will allow him to beat the citadel

[last peak]

okay here's the first sinner explanation

[silver spire]

i think that entire fight was first sinner testing us

[edgy stone]

Bitch silk is going to murder you and string your corpse up

[edgy stone]

Fucking trobbio would school him

[edgy barn]

I am of the belief that she is in fact a memory. Dying to her does not count as a real death, the enviroment of the cell changes when the fight starts and goes back to normal after it ends, and First Sinner's needolin dialogue works the same as it does for other memory bosses (the lines play automatically instead of the boss stopping to sing)

[chrome atlas]

can't get ddark without getting vengeful spirit first, and ddark clears, so

[silver spire]

trobbio: Vain god of spectacle

[steep ridge]

Second Sentinel: Gilded God of Devotion

[last peak]

the wiki basically says you basically fight her in a weaver memory

[edgy stone]

Groal loses with the home advantage

Dude has his gang and traps yet dies

[hazy meadow]

can i propose my own godhome names

[lyric rose]

Groal the: Ungrateful Mod of Buck

[silver spire]

eh, not many bosses perform for the sake of it so spectacle is accurate enough

tormented trobbio: forlorn god of lamentations

[lyric rose]

I meant guck

God of muck to mod of guck

He’s built like a discord mod

Question: is caseoh a mod on his discord server

[edgy stone]

Tormented trobbio: melancholic god of plight

[lyric rose]

Watcher at the Edge: Still God of a Forgotten Land

[steep ridge]

what would crawfather be

[chrome atlas]

Craggler: Hanging God of lmao bro thinks he's on the team 😂

[edgy stone]

Crawfather:god of judgement

[steep ridge]

he's a judge but also the patriach of all craws

I feel like we could use 2 words to describe him

[inner torrent]

Pintress: Lonely God of Pin

[steep ridge]

elderly god of blank and blank or whatever

[edgy nebula]

Judgemental God of The Jury

[steep ridge]

oh shit that's fire

well he's a judge

[silver spire]

Father of the flame: construct god of obsession

[edgy nebula]

Scathing God of The Jury?

hes pissed at you for killing his craws

[inner torrent]

Maybe lawful?

[steep ridge]

Scathing God of Justice

[edgy nebula]

Lawful God of Craws would work

[edgy stone]

Crawfather: biased god of the court?

[inner torrent]

Oh you were talking of crow father? Why would he be a jury? I never did his mission

[edgy nebula]

hes a judge

he slams his beak like a gavel and is the leader of the court of craws

[inner torrent]

Oh, so the courts are the judicial power of pharloom? That's interesting

[steep ridge]

his hunter's journal entry calls him the justice of pharloom's craws

[dire lynx]

Last Judge: Guardian God of the Gate

[inner torrent]

Maybe god of the trial

Grand Mother Silk: Holy God of Silk.
Kinda obvious ig

Pale god of silk can work too

[edgy nebula]

does the crawfather die

[steep ridge]

Disgraced Chef Lugoli: Banished God of The Kitchen

I guess?

you never see him again so probably

[edgy stone]

Last judge: executioner god of the ascension?

[edgy nebula]

i forgot what happens when you defeat him

[silver spire]

garmond and zaza: gods of nobility

[inner torrent]

Maybe doorkeeper can be a title for her?

[steep ridge]

Forebrothers Signis & Gron: Dutiful Gods of The Docks

[inner torrent]

Stupid gods of spam 😾

[timber pond]

I dont think we wil lget GodSeekers again

[edgy stone]

Im pretty sure hornet does just kill the crawfather

[steep ridge]

yeah I doubt they'd just repeat what they'd do in hollow knight exactly, we're gonna get boss rushes in a whole new way

[silver spire]

last judge: righteous god of rapture

[timber pond]

Well yeah, im saying the Boss refight Mechanic will Be tied to something diffrent

[silver spire]

were gonna go into hornet's memories of fighting those bosses xd

[steep ridge]

it is fun to imagine what the silksong boss hall of gods would look like in terms of titles though

[timber pond]

Deep memory is obviously what will probably be expanded upon

[edgy stone]

The reward for beating every boss all bindings hitless in in silksong will be a 2 second clip of the pale king talking to hornet

Calling her a broke bitch

[steep ridge]

Savage Beastfly: Enraged God of The Hunt

[edgy nebula]

Savage Beastfly: fucking asshole

[edgy stone]

I do think a memory based dlc for hornet where you refight the bosses would be the best possible outcome

Team cherry can do a lot with that

Like have hornet face her regrets and demons that still plague her from hallownest

[next solar]

A theory on Pronouns in Silksong

Is it possible that the reason Pharloom characters constantly use plural pronouns to refer to themselves is because of the Haunting being a Blood curse.

Like originally it seemed like a strange quirk that some bugs are refer to themselves is plural “We” pronouns but then there was some other bugs who can’t tell, like there’s one bug who questions whether they call themselves “we”

I think the reason some bugs use plural and others don’t is because since the Sill curse is a blood curse that can pass from parent to child, and Silk has a kind of “essence” to it, it’s possible that ancestors literally pass their essences from Parent to child too.

The pattern I’ve noticed is that it’s mostly the skilled bugs who use “we” pronouns. Like the skills of their ancestors pass down across the generations to the point that the bug now considers itself a “we” simply because they can feel the “essence” of their ancestors as they perfect their skills

[edgy stone]

Also means we can get a vessel fight

[inner torrent]

I feel like this game just has too many bosses for a boss rush to be plausible

[edgy stone]

I need to see pale king godamn it team cherry

[inner torrent]

Probably the last pantheon would be a recompilation of the best bosses instead of the "All bosses" we had in pantheon of hallownest

[steep ridge]

I feel like it'd be more interesting, but also dear god pantheon of pharloom would be like a feature length film after dlc bosses

[edgy stone]

Have the pale king speak perfect english

Dont do the bug noises everyone else speaks, make him use english

[timber pond]

Well yeah but WITH DLC? this game will have more

[silver spire]

reminder that silksong's base game has more bosses than hollow knight with dlcs 😭

[steep ridge]

who would he be voiced by

[silver spire]

this game is freaking massive, idk how

[inner torrent]

Yep.

[edgy stone]

Walken

[silver spire]

YES, THANK YOU FOR NOT SAYING IT

[inner torrent]

It's not by much, but with dlc's a full pantheon is just too big

[silver spire]

im gonna find you

[steep ridge]

christopher walken pale king hold up this is fire

he played the emperor in dune part 2 it could probably work

[inner torrent]

Shaman/beast/wanderer crest will peak in boss rushes

[lethal burrow]

tbh pantheon five was already too big in the first game. I hope they do something slightly different with it.

[steep ridge]

beast runs out of steam by the end

[silver spire]

idek wtf it means 😭 im just mad annoyed at ppl spamming it

[steep ridge]

it doesn't mean anything it's just a stupid meme people keep repeating

[lethal burrow]

what the fuck? Where did you get that image from?

I'm being serious what the hell man

[steep ridge]

second sentinel pfp spotted

[lethal burrow]

if you don't tell me where it's from, I'm just gonna assume you're an ai bro

not visual, but ethically and morally

[next solar]

No it’s directly stated that the curse is passed from parent to child. The Caretaker says it

I think there is a passive control that the silk curse causes. The Caretaker says that the “pull” of the citadel is because of the curse. Like the reason bugs inherently want to worship the Citadel is because their ancestors were already infected by the Silk curse and then passed it down onto them

So there is a passive Curse and then there is a direct curse when Silk directly just hijacks pilgrim bodies and controls them

I think a side effect of the passive curse is that it connects parents and children permanently in some like vague soul-bond way

[edgy stone]

We're certainly getting a vespa fight in the memory fights

[pine garden]

I just realized that the bugs who got through the Blasted Steps and finally made their way to the citadel, would go to the only elevator, and the elevator only goes down to the underworks lmao, how did I not notice that on my first playthrough

[steep ridge]

yeah that's due to the silk being passed

[lethal burrow]

absolutely 100% I would be vastly disappointed if they don't.

It's like the one thing I can think of that might be able to be better than your vessel

Then again they could probably think of something I could not possibly imagine

[steep ridge]

the silk is so ingrained in the bugs of pharloom that it can be passed down from parent to child

yeah

[inner torrent]

I feel like pantheon 5 kinda could have erased 10 bosses and keep as good

[hazy meadow]

Trobbio: Thespian god of the theatre (I lie in wait on the stage)
First Sinner: Wrathful god of sin (I lay in chains within a prison)
Cogwork Dancers: Mechanical gods of dance (Together we wait within the city of song)
Grand Mother Silk: Pale god of threads (I lay asleep at the citadel's peak)
Seth: God guardian of the shrine (I stand guard at the edge of the citadel)
Crawfather: Honored god of the court (Summoned, I await you beneath the home of craws)
Lace 1: Pale god of the citadel (I wait within the maze of lava and iron)
Lace 2: Pale god of the citadel (I wait at the climb to the citadel's peak)
Lost Lace: Void-touched god of the citadel (I wait with my mother beneath the abyss)
Bell Eater: Enraged god of the hunt (I wait within the bellways)
Fourth Chorus: Slumbering god of machinery (I wait within the lava filled fields)
Last Judge: Mechanical god of judgement (I await at the top of the climb to the citadel)
Phantom: Mournful god of the mist (I wait within a maze of fog and ghosts)
Widow: Crazed god of silken thread (I haunt the town of bells)
Great Conchflies: Partnered gods of coral (We wait within the sand blasted wastes)
The Unravelled: Tormented god of husks (I wait in a pit within walls of white)
Pinstress: Skilled god of the pin (I wait at the frozen peak for your arrival)

ok bye chat [dies]

[lethal burrow]

it takes like 40 minutes tbh I would've preferred if absolute radiance was just at the end of pantheon four and the enhanced versions of all the bosses were in the regular other pantheons

[steep ridge]

last judge isn't a robot

[inner torrent]

For examples, why do we fight Grimm and hornet just to fight Nkg and sentinel hornet after?

[steep ridge]

last judge should be the blazing god of judgement

[next solar]

Yeah and I think this is why some bugs use “we” pronouns. Some bugs have a stronger connection to their ancestors through the silk curse that connects all the generations and passes down.

And I think this is why Pharloom is so advanced. I think because bugs were infected and basically passed own their skills and learning through silk to their offspring. Bit by bit, generation after generation, the bugs became so smart that they created this huge steam punk kingdom.

[hazy meadow]

doesnt last judge literally explode into flames?

[steep ridge]

aura farming

[lethal burrow]

Yeah, they're incense burner explodes

[steep ridge]

not because she's a robot

[hazy meadow]

i thought they just like. yk. self destruct as a last ditch effort

[steep ridge]

judges are purely biological

[lethal burrow]

The fire thing they're holding does a big fire and the last judge gets fired

[timber pond]

Yeah but It proved the Pale King to be a better leader by contrast so

[inner torrent]

I feel like the pantheon of Hallownest could have consist of: Every enhanced version of bosses.
Nkg
The four pantheon leaders
Absrad as final boss

[hazy meadow]

ik the judges are! i thought the last judge was a construct

[steep ridge]

look at last judge, she's clearly an adult version of a squirrm

[hazy meadow]

FULLY thought they were a construct

[lethal burrow]

Why did you think they got winded after doing a big attack then?

[steep ridge]

pharloom so bad it got me making excuses for bug atreides

[hazy meadow]

wear and tear, like the twelveth architect

[inner torrent]

Last judge kinda thicc

[lethal burrow]

we're not even a couple months past release yet I don't think this is a fair thing to say haha

[hazy meadow]

they've likely fought many a pilgrim and warrior trying to make their way to the citadel
i wouldn't be surprised if their gears were starting to wear out n stuff

[toxic mulch]

We also have absolutely zero dlc give the game some time

[steep ridge]

problem with this comparison is imo those are the 2 best moments in their respective games

I honestly vastly prefer pharloom in terms of worldbuilding, and I loved hallownest a ton

[hazy meadow]

even the cogwork dancers get "staggered" at some point (when theres only one of them left and they try to do the embrace attack)

[steep ridge]

what else

[hazy meadow]

okay i love the abyss climb i wanna do it again SO BADLY

[steep ridge]

abyss climb feels uniquely awesome in hollow knight that's kinda why it's so good imo

same goes for red memory + last dive in silksong

[hazy meadow]

i loved all of the "escape" sequences in silkson so much

[steep ridge]

honestly that was enough for a true final boss

okay

[lethal burrow]

The past of pharloom is much less the focus compared to the first game and hallownest,

and this makes sense when you consider the protagonist and their stories.

the knight IS deeply and directly related to the vessels and the past of the kingdom and the pale king and the infection that story is interlinked the past of the world is part of it a big section.
and the story that you play through is also deeply related to the past of the place and your character's backstory.

hornet in pharloom on the other hand is a different story, the only relation she has to the place is that it's her mother's homeland.
additionally it focusses much more on current active characters and their story arcs as opposed to what happened in the past, though that is still touched upon.

preferring one over the other is fair and well, but don't say that one is better than the other, especially since we've had almost a decade to understand, Hollow Knights story and not even a few months for silksongs

[steep ridge]

I don't really know what to say to that I was satisfied with silksong's story

[hazy meadow]

okay question: other than the one mask shard escape sequence in far fields and the one when escaping the abyss, what other ones are there?

[steep ridge]

yeah

[hazy meadow]

praying DLCs add more

[timber pond]

I dissagree. its the same. Its just that With Pharloom its much more Obvious whats happening. The deep lore about the Weavers and the history of the Tribes is Just as Compelling.

[chrome atlas]

I mean, the game about finally putting to rest a ruined kingdom has a more focus on the past, while the game set in a currently-active nation has more focus on how things currently are, that doesn't feel insane to me

[hazy meadow]

also. can we have a quick discussion about the weavers and GMS?

[steep ridge]

it's hard to put into words why I like silksong's story, hell I can barely put into words why I like hollow knight's story lmao

[inner torrent]

How many masks did you have before act 3? Max was 9

[steep ridge]

these games mean a lot to me I can't even talk about them like a normal person

[inner torrent]

Exactly about what

[lethal burrow]

that's fair enough.

I withhold judgement until the full story of this game is puzzled out though.

Or else let's imagine comparing this current state of things to hollow knight only when it had just released and how much people understood its story then.

[steep ridge]

see that's a good starting point but I always feel the need to keep going lol

[hazy meadow]

so. was GMS evil during the time she made the weavers or was she just. doing higher being stuff and then the weavers were the assholes for putting her to sleep

i think i've put together most of the lore but some aspects are still blurry

[steep ridge]

she ascended the weavers from pharlids to sustain her light through song, she ascended weavers to enslave them

[lethal burrow]

The second one.

we don't know of anything that she did besides somewhat probably conquering some places

[steep ridge]

well she wants loyal daughters

[lethal burrow]

this "to preserve her light" motivation is pure speculation and should not be taken as any fact

[inner torrent]

Yep that, but I feel like the thing the weavers did of putting her to sleep thousand years may have been too much

[lethal burrow]

Just putting that as a disclaimer before anyone gets tricked

[steep ridge]

"for her light eternal our song sustains" what does that mean then

[random aspen]

whos a worse mother gms or white lady

[hazy meadow]

i know that part but is it. morally bad to make something to work for you?

i mean. we make AI for that same purpose, are we assholes?

[steep ridge]

gms

[lethal burrow]

Context

[steep ridge]

ai is not sentient (yet), she provided sentience then enslaved them

[inner torrent]

I mean, it's hard to say.
AI is not alive
slaves are

[hazy meadow]

you get what i mean

[lethal burrow]

that line is spoken by a specific person at a specific time in a specific context and even then you're making extra extrapolations that aren't confirmed

[timber pond]

Well You still get Hallownest Lore in this game and We learn the Tragedy of The weavers like was implied in hollow knight.
This Game is More about Breaking a Cycle Rather than Euthinasia of a kingdoms ideals. i think its different and thats fine, Iwouldnt have wanted repeat hallownest again.

[inner torrent]

Like every part of lore in this game

[lethal burrow]

making ai does make you an asshole, but for entirely different reasons

[steep ridge]

idk considering the memory showed a bunch of weavers playing their songs it didn't feel like that much of a stretch 🤷‍♂️

[hazy meadow]

the entirety of hollow knight series is about breaking a cycle
for hk its the sealing of the radience
for ss its the sealing of GMS

[steep ridge]

what's the cycle in hallownest?

[inner torrent]

And also the legal implications of AI in Art and explicit content

[timber pond]

Well,Its parallel. But This time Something can be Done Before the fact. Or at least on the Cusp of it. Thats The point of Silksong is that its Negative Polaroid Hollow Knight in every way really.

[chrome atlas]

The argument about treating robots/constructs like people is something sci-fi's been doing since Metropolis. Fwiw it's probably not a good thing to create something that's sapient and then restrict its freedom, since you could (successfully IMO) argue that that's slavery, but that comes down to individual philosophies

[random aspen]

how strong is nightmare heart

[hazy meadow]

the hollow knight ending, where you take THK's place

[steep ridge]

oh right

I always forget that exists 🫠

[lethal burrow]

i'm just put off by how it was framed as an unequivocal truth.

But ok let's examine things a bit more closely.

that line is said after the cut scenes were, they are playing their harps and then a light comes from the sky, going by this interpretation or any other interpretation, what does the light coming from the sky mean?

[hazy meadow]

doesnt hornet literally say even though its baked into her blood shes like: i'm not gonna do that. im not like them

[random aspen]

would it be above pv?

[inner torrent]

It kinda made me think of that radiance scene we get after beating pure vessel

[hazy meadow]

she could deadass just. leave. after

[random aspen]

white lady can defeat the shade lord i just cant prove it yet

[lethal burrow]

it's because of the unconsensual scraping of text and artworks and the energy stuff and other stuff as well.

[timber pond]

THe implication is that is no longer Hornet But something new and terrible

[steep ridge]

need to rewatch the widow cutscene but I'm pretty sure it plays a noise similar to gms + first sinner cutscene where it is definitely gms

[inner torrent]

Do you think we getting a Grimm/nightmare heart apparition in this game?
Something like a dlc were the stupid cult of father of flame brings nightmare heart intrrest

[lethal burrow]

depends how you define power.
The nightmare heart certainly seems like it needs an avatar unlike some other gods.

and I think pure vessel could probably beat nightmare king grimm.

i'm not sure what power the heart has it on its own

[random aspen]

pharloom isnt dead so probably not

[steep ridge]

grimm should get shot in the head by steel assassin sharpe in the city of steel dlc

[jaunty elm]

world sense goes so much harder than farsight

[lethal burrow]

I agree it's reminiscent of that heavily, but I just don't know what it means

[timber pond]

Man wtf that hate came uta nowhere lol

[random aspen]

took them a while to arrive to hallownest tho

[inner torrent]

Not necessarily reused.
As for example we got lifeblood and it was totally different in this game

[steep ridge]

it's more like something on the verge of death, any longer and it would've ended up like hallownest

[lethal burrow]

call it theft or plagiarism or hell copyright infringement if you want.

The name for the act is less important than the act itself.

[timber pond]

Possible That they are the smae mechanism since the weavers made all the runes in the Black Egg Temple

[inner torrent]

Sorry but this feels like that thing were people feel past stuff is better

What's the name of that thing?

[jaunty elm]

nostalgia

[random aspen]

it was able to turn grimm into nkg so its probably stronger

[steep ridge]

also I doubt they'd wanna follow up on the troupe and confirm which ending to that storyline is canon

[inner torrent]

It could try to control pure vessel, but that most likely would end with him getting sucked whole

[lethal burrow]

tbh I don't think there's anything in silk song that pure vessel couldn't take care of.

[timber pond]

New Threads for future content list:
LIfeblood
Greyroot
Everblooms
Steel Hearts

[lethal burrow]

except for like... the void because they don't have any bullshit Weaver memory flower red memory spell stuff they can do

[hazy meadow]

in my brain what happens is she absorb's GMS's power and thus becomes the "weaver queen", but shes still hornet, just, really powerful and "ascended" in a sense

[steep ridge]

cogwork dancers, they would make pure vessel cry and therefore it would understand that it is not pure

[inner torrent]

I mean we did? The only options we have in hollow knight is: Passing or Helping.
Run or Help
But not Fight

[lethal burrow]

It might do the same for the dancers though

[timber pond]

Well,The fact that shes going through a metamorphosis Makes me think her Personage is Changing

[inner torrent]

I feel like Everblooms don't have that much interest in their own.
But steelings and Greyroot are a must

[sacred heath]

hornet

[lethal burrow]

idk a god's strength can be in many ways and combat is not necessarily chief among them

[inner torrent]

I was going to say silk but the pure vessel have a big control of its void

[timber pond]

The Land Serene The White lady mentions in Hollow Knight is still of interest. Especially since she calls everblooms "The First Light" .Meaning they are EXTREMLY IMPORTANT in some kind of creation myth?

[hazy meadow]

i do hope we see more lifeblood :))

[steep ridge]

wormways gets even more fucked up in dlc

[chrome atlas]

tired: no grimm troupe dlc for silksong because we don't want reused content
wired: no grimm troupe dlc for silksong because it implies the knight went for carefree melody over nkg fight, and who would even do that

[inner torrent]

But it didn't really end the cycle didn't it? For what I got it just "Vanished from Hallownest" but it can still go for other kingdom to devour