sk-lore

[viscid ridge]

My guess is that Hornet either lives in Hallownest still, or she has taken up being a wanderer, cause i honestly am not sure what she is doing with all her time

[vestal swan]

Yes so she can go home and visit the root.. and the green thing

[fathom hill]

Oh that's sweet

[sinful nimbus]

Convince White Lady to start another soul infection so Hornet has something to do (She's bored)

[fathom hill]

So I'm guessing she is coming back to hallownest no?

[vestal swan]

What the fuck is a soul infection

[fathom hill]

That's just telling sherma she ain't staying here

[viscid ridge]

My guess is that she wanders around kinda like Quirell does. Cause what the hell else is she gonna do

[limpid summit]

Every substance has an infection

[vestal swan]

Doesn't seem like it, feels more like she's got the wanderer thing going on

[sinful nimbus]

Haunting but with soul

Since silk is just a soul medium

[vestal swan]

That was silk though? Using it as a median you can do all kinds of shit with it that doesn't make it a soul infection

[fathom hill]

But as said before she could have complicated feelings about Hallownest and her first instinct is always to get home and not stay just in a strange land

[sinful nimbus]

Its literally soul 😭

[fathom hill]

Could that opinion change with act 4 or dlc I wonder

[fathom hill]

Settling it's not an option with immortal beings id pressume

[vestal swan]

I mean, if the wyrm instincts ever kick in without having eaten another God first

[limpid summit]

Depending on how HK minds actually work the beacon can be described as an infection

That’s your soul infection

[vestal swan]

I'm going to throw you in a volcano

[sinful nimbus]

what

[limpid summit]

Think about it

[foggy fractal]

did we ever get a volcano in silksong

[viscid ridge]

I honestly think she would have stayed in Hallownest, but almost all the people she loves is dead, and the kingdom is fallen. Maybe she has taken up staying with the White Lady, seeing she is the only significant family member she has left

[limpid summit]

The abyss is a volcano

[vestal swan]

If GMS raised weavers with silk and PK just raised to them with a beacon..

Also damn GMS is way better at making people smart

[sinful nimbus]

Dude i'm killing you and apple

[sinful nimbus]

No she ain't cuh

Her children are literally inherently racist

[unreal estuary]

Nobody else in the kingdom seems talk about her, so I'd say she stays pretty hidden. I honestly wonder if she ever spoke to someone other than Vespa and the White Lady

[foggy fractal]

so i'm safe :D

[vestal swan]

PK made a bunch of citizens that did nothing but horde money and create a sewer system
GMS created super spiders that made fucking laser guns and automatons

[fathom hill]

I mean between just staiyng home through all eternity to wandering outside of it with the risks it may bring the response is obvious

[vestal swan]

Woohoo flushing toilets

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah and which one was the more prosperous kingdom

[viscid ridge]

Contrary to popular belief, i dont think PK made his subjects smarter by any magical means, i just think he tought them to be smart, kinda like teaching monkeys how to talk and stuff 😅

[sinful nimbus]

(Its not Pharloom)

[fathom hill]

So no wonder Hornet kind of just stayed there even if she is not hallownest sentinel anymore

[sinful nimbus]

"Wow they made a teleporter that takes you down 20 feet instead of an elevator like normal people they must be so smart"

[viscid ridge]

It makes sense, most people who would talk about her are dead, with exception to WL and midwife

[vestal swan]

I can't believe star is team flushing toilets over laser guns

[past cypress]

PK made an elevator with spikes on the top for aura points

[main osprey]

Something that occured to me, I know obviously that Hornet is half divine, in essence she's a sort of demi-god being half Pale Being.

Does that make her physically stronger in any way? Like I know it's gameplay but you have Shakra who seems to go to all the same places we do, and is able to do so and hold her own in combat

[unreal estuary]

There was probably at least a little magic. While PK seems to have a unique ability to get bugs to follow him, each kingdom has a mask maker who is able to give bugs intelligence through masks

So in some way PK used magic

[vestal swan]

Yes she states multiple times that her genetics have protected her from certain things, like lifeblood and the parasite

[sinful nimbus]

Also Soul scholars made the fancy computer things

[main osprey]

But for example, she's not Hercules

[whole holly]

what?

[dry bridge]

Hornet is explicitly able to survive without much in the way of food, attributed to her pale heritage

[sinful nimbus]

The records

[viscid ridge]

I still doubt it, i also have to mention that based on Mask Makers dialogue he was probably there long before the Pale King ever was

[vestal swan]

No she's not a demigod because that's not really a thing that exists, you have to be at that point of being a god or you're just not one in this universe

[limpid summit]

“Yall got any void molds”
“We got soulevators”

[whole holly]

oh yeah, monomon has those too in sense

[vestal swan]

Monomon had acid based sparky fly based computers that was dope for being magic adjacent science

[sinful nimbus]

Only smart weavers were the cindril ones

[unreal estuary]

Fair, though I will say I don't know if he was actually working before PK made the kingdom, or if he was enlisted afterwards and sent away to a secluded place.

[viscid ridge]

Monomon is still probably the strangest character wr have ever seen in the world, she really is quite unique

[vestal swan]

But monomon doesn't have shit on the weavers

[sinful nimbus]

Freudian slip

[whole holly]

yeah, half pale being just turn out to be exceptionally stronger than average bug

[vestal swan]

No it's just that the pale part of her is a wyrm

If her dad was the greenwyrm theyd be calling her that

[limpid summit]

Speaking of Monomon in the context of Silksong

[unreal estuary]

I do wonder about the mask makers though, like do they have people they work for? they both wear masks that make them better at working, and they and mister mushroom have the swirly eyes that give them "the sight"

[viscid ridge]

I do agree that the Pale King has a air of magic around him, but i just dont think he used it to elevate his subjects.

[sinful nimbus]

What

[unreal estuary]

Like what's their deal

[limpid summit]

What was the point of adding some weird convergent Uoma ancestor in Karak

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is a demigod she's not quite as strong as a god but is kin to one

[whole holly]

we were comparing her to soul sanctum but when you compare entire species to one individual it is unfair comparison

[sinful nimbus]

Its not an in-universe term but that doesn't mean its not apt

[sinful nimbus]

She wasn't racist that's a plus

[viscid ridge]

Hornet is definitely comparable to a demigod

[vestal swan]

I mean some of the weavers came up with a lot of good shit by themselves, one of them is responsible for runes

[sinful nimbus]

Racism is like breathing in Pharloom its wild

[whole holly]

i meant higher beings, yeah being pale doesn't matter in this sense but hornet is exceptionally strong and capable of more than other bugs

[foggy fractal]

we should make a tier list of least to most racist characters in the hollow knight universe

[viscid ridge]

Lmao the profile pic is the cherry on top 🤣

[limpid summit]

Uumuu mops at least a few weavers

What are they gonna do

[terse warren]

"Prove to us you are more Weaver than Wyrm"

Maybe that's why Hornet says those things about the flies, she was conditioned by her Weaver teachers...

[foggy fractal]

hm... #noticing.

[vestal swan]

Drop a lightning rod

[limpid summit]

Midwife says the Spiders (and weavers by extension) are the most intelligent species you might be right

[vestal swan]

They should have never left her alone with that group of weavers that wasn't her mom

[limpid summit]

Although in this case that’s not without merit she does read the DN for who knows why

[whole holly]

Monomon wasn't ascended by Higher Being to manipulate Silk so still unfair comparison, tech wise Fog Canyon is more developed than Weavenest Alta

[vestal swan]

What

What are you smoking

[whole holly]

what do you not understand, also be respectful please

[fathom hill]

lol

[vestal swan]

Atla had teleporters and automatons that use lasers, and a preservation chamber for a half cooked god

She has acid computers

And possibly homunculi jellyfish

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[vestal swan]

Also weaver mood lighting boost metabolism or some shit

[viscid ridge]

Hornet isn't racist, they are just stinky and gross and stole her stuff

[foggy fractal]

Star say why Hornet is racist

[whole holly]

sure but Weavenest Alta wasn't project of one person, Needolin suggests that other Weavers worked there

[viscid ridge]

Wait...

[atomic dirge]

open ss lore

[vestal swan]

Sure but it's still not less advanced than monomons lab

[atomic dirge]

hornet racism mentioned again
close ss lore

[stuck berry]

anyone notice how consistent the upgrades are in this game? in hollow knight it was a hodgepodge of sources like you get a spell for beating a boss for exploration for stealing a robot's heart/sibling's cloak/mantis's claw, but in silksong just about every spell and movement upgrade comes from a weaver in some form or another

[limpid summit]

They really doing anything but making a needle

That just had to be the Hive

[sinful nimbus]

Say the line starjak

[vestal swan]

I wish more of the bosses had proper rewards, most of the time they're just blocking a path

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ Say the line Starjak !

[fathom hill]

We really do have only 5 rotating topics

[terse warren]

?tag info racistpsa when

[gleaming basin]

No tag racistpsa found in category info.

[stuck berry]

if hornet never gets captured by the flies her journal notes are racist for no reason

[sinful nimbus]

Kid named Watcher on the Edge

[vestal swan]

I kind of hate all of the mementos TBH

[stuck berry]

lost garmond

[atomic dirge]

"Is lace a child", Hornet racism, Hornet "demigod"

[fathom hill]

me when bell beast silk heart

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, but honestly, it keeps in with the lore, so im not complaining, even though i think the Knights kit was more creative and diverse

[limpid summit]

Hornet could genuinely walk into the slab and kill 20 slabflies and still have the same outlook as if she was captured and robbed

[foggy fractal]

yeah a lot of the bosses don't have like a rosary reward like a chest
hell does ANY boss have a rosary chest reward

[edgy nebula]

do they become racist if she ever gets caught or is she just racist whenever

[vestal swan]

Let me put 12s heart and the hornet statue on my shelf, why the fuck do I have the gay guys heart that I didn't mean to kill and some random badge from an old crab

[terse warren]

Errmmmmmm at* the Edge

[stuck berry]

always racist

[whole holly]

monomon as one person can still hold her own despite not having any silk or other power's against weaver's she on her own merits deserves credit, Weaver's Rely on Silk powers so most of their inventions can be credited to GMS turning them into Weaver's and Nature of Silk itself

[limpid summit]

I put the Nyleth heart on my wall…it felt good I don’t like her

[stuck berry]

i did say most, also all of that silk had to come from somewhere

[vestal swan]

Nyleth was too easy

[fathom hill]

yeah i gotchu

[stuck berry]

i like how the knight does it it's like 15 minutes old it doesn't know how to read

[edgy nebula]

khann:

[atomic dirge]

Weavers: "she called us divine... she lied..."
girl your power is goddamn silk you are Mid

[whole holly]

Weaver's intellectual capacity is inferior to Monomons because all their superior Weaponry is Silk based.

[stuck berry]

yeah there really is no reason to kill bosses that show up on the wishboards huh

[whole holly]

First Sinner overreacted

[atomic dirge]

money

[viscid ridge]

Monomons power is better, cause she has the power off goop

[atomic dirge]

first crashout

[stuck berry]

the 5 guards next to the cogworks arena:

[vestal swan]

A lot of the wish board stuff was just, do it so you know that there's no other quest hiding behind it. I did it all for completionist's sake but like normally I would ignore so much of that shit, you're going to reward me with a rosary I'm never going to break because I already farm like every time I play the game because the resource economy is so bad

[atomic dirge]

look some people are bad at fighting grand reeds

it's me i'm some people

[viscid ridge]

Honestly yeah, but im pretty sure some information is missing that would make her reaction make more sense, cause thats a bit of an overreaction lmao

[stuck berry]

cross stitch makes them a joke tbh

[whole holly]

i like monomon better she is unique and has more narrative purpose than lurien

[viscid ridge]

Yeah, she is way more involved

[vestal swan]

Grand reeds are barely a problem, they have very simplistic and telegraph attacks. The only problem I had with them was my damage was bad. And then I got like three upgrades in a row and I could combo them to death

[whole holly]

she is mad that she didn't know GMS gave her capabilities she had, and GMS loved them enough to call them daughters and even divine

[stuck berry]

their hitboxes suck i wish it was easier to pogo them and run past without issue

i procrastinated on the dancers because i didn't like the runback

[vestal swan]

Issue I had with that was when I tried to go over them they would fly

[edgy nebula]

i struggled so much with dancers in my first playtrhough

[viscid ridge]

You struggled jumping over them?

[edgy nebula]

my stupid head cant imagine 45 degree angles

it was mainly them doing their wide swipes when they dropped down though

[stuck berry]

they keep moving the way that i'm dashing and i get got by contact damage

[fathom hill]

I remember I had to farm them for steel

two cogflies two hits and silk needle for good measure

but i think that at full needle or 4/5

[viscid ridge]

But their waking up animation takes so long tho, how long does it take you to pogo over them?

[stuck berry]

it doesn't take that long

[viscid ridge]

Cause you get like a solid 3 seconds before they start moving and attacking

[stuck berry]

subjective difficulty discourse in the hk server must be a day that ends in y

[fathom hill]

when i want to be safe i just harpoon over them

[stuck berry]

i didn't unlock harpoon at the time

[viscid ridge]

Same

[fathom hill]

too late to say skill issue?

[stuck berry]

much too late

to the underworks with you

[fathom hill]

oh man

[stuck berry]

what if hornet encountered two silly skeletons who sang to her welcome to the underworks

[viscid ridge]

I am still wondering where exactly GMS came from, cause we atleast know that the Pale King was a wyrm before he became a king.

[foggy fractal]

🗣️ WELCOME TO THE UNDERWORKS
HOW WAS THE FALL 🗣️

[timber pond]

My Running Theroy is The Land Serene

If pale beings are ancient and are outsiders to alot of these bugs already living in these places, they must all have a homeland.

The Land Of the Everblooms, The Land Serene might be thier origin.

[unreal estuary]

makes sense

they all oppose the void

[charred nimbus]

Communitary boss tier list (made by me and my other 2 friends who played the game)

[stuck berry]

lugoli isn't that bad

[foggy fractal]

glad to see cogwork dancers at S

[stuck berry]

certainly not worse than voltvyrm

[foggy fractal]

we need a bigger database

[charred nimbus]

I know, but the majority voted for this so i couldn't really do anything

😔

[charred nimbus]

Also it's not exactly about difficulty but rather the overral design of the boss, the fight, the vibes, the lore and everything

This black tier is basically a "demon" tier

[charred nimbus]

Yeah, it was pretty much a exact vote when it popped up, we all agreed that it was S, our first S too

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

Christopher when composing cogwork dancers

[stuck berry]

when the flutes come in

[charred nimbus]

We did a boss tierlist, a tool tierlist and a region tierlist

[terse warren]

Is that Khaan and Crawfather with or without the Arenas before

[charred nimbus]

The Slab ended up on S on the region tier list, I don't know if my friends were cooking because I didn't pass the vibe check and I never got captured...

[fathom hill]

the slab is interesting only if you get the sequence

[sinful nimbus]

SS doesn't have any misses in the soundtrack

[whole holly]

lot of people are hyped about City of Steel but i personally want to see Blackbarrens as well

[charred nimbus]

Without the arenas, I mentioned in the VC that Crawfather is kinda mid without the court

[stuck berry]

the abyss:

[terse warren]

Imo it's unfair to judge them without, since you have to go through it before the boss

[foggy fractal]

never seen again after this one mention trust

[terse warren]

Bilewater OST surely

[stuck berry]

am i wrong or in terms of scale is the bell eater the physically largest boss in either game

[whole holly]

noo, i want it bad

[edgy stone]

With herrah being against weavers using hornet for their own goals, I wonder if thats why hornet was named after the bees

[foggy fractal]

also I want y'alls opinions on this
do y'all think they'll add the missing backer dungeons and village in dlcs

[charred nimbus]

Problaby, yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Silksong doesn't have an abyss wym

[stuck berry]

i don't see why not

[terse warren]

For sure right

[foggy fractal]

right ???

[edgy stone]

Could be she wanted hornet to have a non weaver name to have her keep her connections to hallownest and deepnest

[foggy fractal]

that's what I'm saying

[terse warren]

Kinda weird that they went against the standard play structure and only had 2 acts

[foggy fractal]

like they gotta add it

[sinful nimbus]

Oh well they probably didn't have much left to add to the story

[foggy fractal]

unless TC reached some sort of agreement with the backers to not add it ? which doesn't make sense either

[charred nimbus]

I really wanna see the City of Steel

[foggy fractal]

though the "soaring warlords tower" they mentioned before should just be Khann's coral tower

[terse warren]

I'm very surprised they chose to cut Karmelita, and even Seth, and also the Coral-no wait

[sinful nimbus]

"this concept sucks vro take your money back and leave"

[whole holly]

okay, everyone does, but Blackbarrens could be interesting and well as Sandsea Wastes

[foggy fractal]

😭

[fathom hill]

what were they even doing these past 7 years

mid ass game everything was cut

[vestal swan]

Or the backer was a pain in the ass and they got their character revoked

[terse warren]

We didn't even get a Fourth Chorus refight this shit so ass 🥀

[fathom hill]

wasnt that what happened with the lion kingdom town thing

[foggy fractal]

antlion village ?

[fathom hill]

we didnt even get any lions in this bug game

[charred nimbus]

I know it's a joke but i saw many people who didn't watch any trailers or information previusly from Silksong get really amazed that the game didn't end before act 3

[terse warren]

I mean shit after almost a decade I don't doubt someone would be a pain in the ass lol

[edgy stone]

Wouldn't blame em honestly, would probably suck not getting into hollowknight and having to wait 7 years for another chance with silksong

[foggy fractal]

so maybe they just got their money back then

[terse warren]

Yeah maybe

[stuck berry]

i wish this happened to matthew trobbiani 😔

[foggy fractal]

since TC doesn't really need that extra money

[sinful nimbus]

Yet the game is 5 dollars more... Curious

They must be starving

[charred nimbus]

Team Cherry isn't in the need for money for the rest of their lives if they don't start buying real state and lamborguinis

[terse warren]

TC could afford to cut out multiple major areas I highly doubt TC is in an monetary peril

[sinful nimbus]

Don't diss trobbio

[unreal estuary]

I have a feeling that once the Citadel became so big they couldn't keep the other areas, they wrote Act 3, moved the backer bosses to smaller arenas, and then made Pharloom Bay the Abyss (if you look at the map they look very similar to the Pharloom Bay maps shown off at ACMI)

[edgy stone]

I do hope we see the backer villages and stuff, seems like theyd be cool

[unreal estuary]

Act 3 seems so separate it almost has to be added really late imo

[foggy fractal]

ok so regarding backer stuff its either
TC is saving it for a dlc
TC reached an agreement to not add those contents with the backers and paid them back, possibly due to having to wait so long

[terse warren]

I would rather claw my own eyes out than we get another Grimm DLC but if we do Nightmare King Trobbio is my number 1 pick

[fathom hill]

wait trobbiani was a backer?

[foggy fractal]

no

[sinful nimbus]

Its just a string of bosses and expanded far fields soooo

[charred nimbus]

I really wanted a Antlion village

[terse warren]

They thought about adding the abyss all the way back in June 2019 lmao

[velvet leaf]

for 7 years the game looks really incomplete tbh

[foggy fractal]

nah its good

[unreal estuary]

• the abyss and loads of cutscenes like it still probably took the last two years beyond the 2023 release date

[fathom hill]

nah

[unreal estuary]

But they said only after they move on to other things

[velvet leaf]

i loved it but it could be more compact yk?

[fathom hill]

I'm sure though the big chunks seemingly missing weren't finished yet and they plan to add them when they are

[unreal estuary]

Like they made very clear that that would be very very later down the line

[terse warren]

Compact?

[fathom hill]

They did say their plans for silksong in the future were quite big

[sinful nimbus]

Fix shellshard balance or spend dev time on making a random cutscene for the diving bell... Tough call

[terse warren]

Well I sure hope they are

[stuck berry]

team cherry LIED when they said development went smoothly

[edgy stone]

I do hope the steel city is like a full on area

[foggy fractal]

nah TC too lazy trust

[stuck berry]

well they can't leave a cursor in a shellshard sprite can they

[fathom hill]

maybe

Maybe not

[terse warren]

Maybe TC actually has like 5 years worth of content already halfway done and they're gonna release it as DLC

[edgy stone]

Would be cool if it was some weird magical place due to the steel masters

Like its not a concrete place that exists in one location

[foggy fractal]

if only

[velvet leaf]

like the lifeblood door?

[foggy fractal]

well maybe idk

[terse warren]

Found Verdania for sure

[foggy fractal]

who knows what TC has in store

[velvet leaf]

that would be cool

[terse warren]

Waters of Karak

[sinful nimbus]

Mist

[foggy fractal]

Found Lace: Play me... your silksong.

[terse warren]

Gatherer's April

[edgy nebula]

if it's lost verdania why isnt void everywhere huh?

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[terse warren]

LMAO

[edgy nebula]

why isnt it voidania?!?!?!

[terse warren]

Cook again

[fathom hill]

dlc

[edgy stone]

Yeah maybe multiple entrances exist throughout the entire world and that's how the steel people are in every kingdom

[foggy fractal]

voidania 😭

[terse warren]

Idfk what to say for Shellwood

[edgy stone]

Or it could be a grim troupe thing

[unreal estuary]

Nyland

[sinful nimbus]

My biggest hope for Steel DLC is that we get a big bad who is not a higher being

[edgy stone]

Where the steel city is summoned

[foggy fractal]

steel masters higher beings or not call it

[unreal estuary]

Not

[sinful nimbus]

I mean atp I'd assume they are but I can dream

[edgy stone]

Imagine being whete the grey watcher is and playing your needolin to summon an entire city/kingdom

[graceful grail]

How are we supposed to deal with steel enemies? Even silk skills are ineffective.

[terse warren]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[stuck berry]

is there any malevolent entity in these games who isn't serving a higher being in some way

actually asking

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet

I guess there's like uhh

[terse warren]

She's serving the wishes WL had for her actually

[fathom hill]

Biggest hornet hater over here

[sinful nimbus]

A bunch of minor big bads

[fathom hill]

Me

Trobbio

[stuck berry]

i can't blast you with vengeful spirit so you don't count

[stuck berry]

...ugh

[graceful grail]

Ok, do we think all the higher beings originated from one source? Or atleast all the plant like bugs all from one entity.

[fathom hill]

You could if you weren't such a coward

[stuck berry]

r1

[sinful nimbus]

The Citadel Weavers and Conductors were evil

[fathom hill]

https://tenor.com/view/flash-bang-cat-gif-9228092957721715341

[sinful nimbus]

Ig the conductors were worshipping GMS but they didn't really know what was going on

[terse warren]

Hallownest Weavers are assholes too

[terse warren]

They authorized Whiteward I think they're evil dawg

[foggy fractal]

am i evil

[graceful grail]

Something tells me that the conductors were telling the rest of the choir what to do (based on their profession)

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah but I'm talking about whether or not they worked for a higher being

[terse warren]

Andy transcends good and evil

[edgy stone]

I really want lifeblood to have a higher being that was consumed by lifeblood and not native to it

[stuck berry]

the worst of them all

[edgy stone]

Would be awesome to see it take over a full on god

[foggy fractal]

yes i am neither good or evil, what i am is hungry I'm going to eat see y'all in a bit

[sinful nimbus]

Primordial Malzeno wyrm 🗣️

[terse warren]

Oh nah they were literally taking advantage of her lol I wouldn't say they worked for her

[signal sparrow]

🦋

[edgy stone]

Gaismagorm lifeblood demon when?

[terse warren]

I want TC to retcon Lifeblood to be a good thing again

[sinful nimbus]

Sylphean slugs are qurio

[stuck berry]

neutral force of nature capable of both blessings and destruction take it or leave it

[flat hearth]

Probably the leader yeah

[terse warren]

90% of it is destruction

[fathom hill]

I mean the only reason lifeblood turned out like that its cuz two assholes decided to inject lifeblood into everything

[terse warren]

You literally gotta keep it in check or it consumes

[stuck berry]

what even is joni

[terse warren]

Wrong

!wiki Plasmidas

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Plasmidas

Hollow Knight Wiki

Plasmidas

Loading page description…

[fathom hill]

Like it's more of a invasive species if anything

[edgy stone]

It does seem like hallownest lifeblood was somewhat more peaceful as joni was not horribly mutated like the researcher was in silksong

[terse warren]

Read the Journal for Plasmidas

[edgy stone]

But plasmium doesnt seem to be lifeblood proper

[flat hearth]

Joni wasn't problematic like the researcher. That's what happens when you mind your own business

[edgy stone]

Its lifeblood cultivated and worked on

[terse warren]

Well except for when Hornet says she saw the same shit happen in her home caves

Meaning it quite literally is

[edgy stone]

Yeah but that could still be to a lesser extent

[fathom hill]

Oh that's interesting

I wonder what aberrations did she see

[terse warren]

Then the aberrations wouldn't really be similar

[edgy stone]

As the two lifeblood representatives we see in hallownest are peaceful still and not being brutally killed by lifeblood like in silksong

[sinful nimbus]

I mean every magically inclined entity recognizes the substance and tells you to piss off

Its just bad

[edgy stone]

It still took over them yes but the researcher in silksong is certainly in a much worse state

[fathom hill]

But then why didn't Hornet just tell him hey man that shits dangerous or something

[sinful nimbus]

She's sutpid

[terse warren]

Yarnaby...

[edgy stone]

But that could also be due to the fact he was microdosing lifeblood every chance he got

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is stupid and evil straight up

[terse warren]

She's actually just an asshole

[fathom hill]

Maybe she is sexist after all

[terse warren]

retcon

[sinful nimbus]

"Pharloom shall quickly learn the curse of this substance" 🥀

[valid compass]

he wasnt cute and fluffy enough

[terse warren]

No she hated Broodmother just as much as any other fly

[fathom hill]

he wasn't a woman

[stuck berry]

bystander syndrome smh

[fathom hill]

Her racism surpasses it

[valid compass]

yes 🗣️

[terse warren]

If not for the fact she actively brought it to Pharloom herself she would've just let everyone die to the void lol

[sinful nimbus]

This is based because Pharloom sucks

[terse warren]

But she'd be killing Sherma and Shakra and Garmo-nvm

[sinful nimbus]

"Rejoice! And let it all come down" Lace was onto something

[fathom hill]

Everyone theorizing that Hornet's next crisis to avert is lifeblood

[edgy stone]

Does hornet really care for any non pilgrimage bugs?

[foggy fractal]

i return

[sinful nimbus]

This dialogue is so edgy 😭

[fathom hill]

They don't know she taking Lace home and getting outta there lol

[terse warren]

HELL YEAH

[valid compass]

sherma is so pure hearted hornet didn't even mind getting into the hot spring with him

[edgy stone]

All of the bugs native to pharloom were kinda just assholes

[foggy fractal]

tbf she's like 12 and emo

going through a phase ahh Lace

[terse warren]

She IS rebellious

[fathom hill]

It's supposed to Lace became a nihilist

[valid compass]

she is not in an edit

[terse warren]

Bro she's 5 she can't even spell the word

[sinful nimbus]

TRUE

[fathom hill]

I'm sure she could

[edgy stone]

The horse guy wasnt so bad but other than him they all sucked

[edgy nebula]

id imagine lace to be like 13-14 ngl

[sinful nimbus]

I mean yeah True Ending is about learning to care for Pharloom

[edgy nebula]

still basically a child but older cause she actually knows shit

[fathom hill]

Lace age discourse yay

So excited to repeat the same 5 arguments

[edgy nebula]

thats just my hc, she might be younger or older

[lone folio]

And then she absolutely LOST it

[terse warren]

"May oblivion take you, child" such character growth 🥀

[edgy stone]

Im just happy its killed all lacexhornet discussion

[terse warren]

It's like the rich kids from the 1500s ig so yeah that makes sense

[foggy fractal]

ok food is done microwaving i'm Gone Again

[valid compass]

isnt it "Oblivion may take you, child" or am i smoking balls

[fathom hill]

I'll die in the lacenet hill idc

[sinful nimbus]

Tufffff

[terse warren]

I will not comment my opinion on this

[lone folio]

Hornet x broodmother

[terse warren]

You're right I just didn't care to type it right

[edgy stone]

Hornet needs to restart the pale kingdom

[sinful nimbus]

I have survived the fury of your land. I have borne its barbs and its blades, and I have seen wonder behind its dangers. But always, child, I remain a daughter of Hallownest. 🥶 🥶

[terse warren]

Life is worthless again 💔

[edgy stone]

Glory to the white wyrm

[lone folio]

If the troupe arrived in the kingdom it's clearly not worth even trying

[terse warren]

"Man gotta love Hallownest I totally never said anything bad about its ruler and king"

[valid compass]

i feel like the line "and i will fear the void no longer" didnt have any buildup to it. like we didnt know hornet was lowk scared of that shit

[terse warren]

"Definitely didn't insult the guy like 5 minutes ago"

[edgy stone]

Team cherry give us a pale king fight where he oneshots hornet

[sinful nimbus]

Its all random yap

Hornet does that a lot

[fathom hill]

This game is so badly written is crazy

Hornet just say random shit and stuff happens

[opaque pier]

Who wouldnt be 😭

[lone folio]

But zangos character arc was peak

[edgy stone]

Let pk use the pale kamehama

[edgy stone]

She does refuse to step foot in the abyss

[fathom hill]

bro went from dead to dead

[stuck berry]

do you guys think hornet felt fear for the very last time

[sinful nimbus]

"I will not. I have already stood the sentinel for one dying land. That role... I will never play again." 🗣️

"Then best you keep watching, child. I've found those who claim themselves a god can rarely match the title. And experience tells me, even gods can fall." 🥶

"Some would argue that standing guard over a kingdom's corpse is a foolish task, empty of meaning"🔥

"I remain a daughter of Hallownest" 💯

[fathom hill]

like at the end?

[lone folio]

"those who think they can control the void are fools"

[terse warren]

Who the hell can barely match the title of god

[sinful nimbus]

GMS

[stuck berry]

she's so tuff 😨

[terse warren]

WL maybe cause she has no feats

[edgy stone]

Kinda every god weve seen so far tbh

[terse warren]

Blocking you rn

[valid compass]

i mean hornet being so stoic and all, we wouldn't expect her to be actually fearful of the stuff, especially when she openly challenges gms. like i thought she just looked at it like a platforming obstacle

[edgy stone]

They're all fucking dead other than the nightmare heart

[sinful nimbus]

All Hallownest gods had very impressive feats

[lone folio]

Unn

[sinful nimbus]

Just because they're dead doesn't mean they don't match the title idk what Hornet is waffling about

[terse warren]

Unn made the entirety of GP and QG

[edgy stone]

Unn failed greenpath

[terse warren]

Gods of Storm and Rain or whatever they were

[fathom hill]

Now that I think about it if the flower ending is the canon one

[edgy stone]

Gods of storm and rain were probably just 2 larger bugs

[fathom hill]

Did Hornet even knew what happened to the knight, they were like half a kingdom apart

The knight having done allat just inside the godhome coccoon

[edgy stone]

Storm and rain are one of the most commonly associated natural occurrences to gods

[valid compass]

hornet and lace in hallownest, call that queer's garden

[edgy stone]

Almost every religion has a story on why it rains or why it storms

[opaque pier]

Gms aint that scary its just a glorified rapunzel amd besides hornet herself says she might look stern but isnt actually

[edgy stone]

Godseekers are insane fools who gave higher meaning to 2 natural occurrence

[fathom hill]

I know that when she is summoned she awknoledges the godhome but like

[edgy nebula]

dont we literally see the gods of rain and thunder though

[terse warren]

The only reason I would ever want Godseekers to come back is to have an excuse to see prime GMS

[fathom hill]

Godhome is definitely coming I think

[edgy stone]

We see their corpses but there is no direct evidence of them actually being higher beings

[sinful nimbus]

Meet potential GMS

[valid compass]

hmm yeah thats true too. some of the moments in act 3 have no build up to the emotion

[fathom hill]

Or they'll make another form of boss rush thing

[lone folio]

Insane fools those bugs are to not realise that the gods of thunder and rain are just 60 gruzzers in a trench coat

[edgy stone]

This is true

[stuck berry]

isn't the only godseeker in the physical realm like in a coffin in a sewer

[stuck berry]

or dead

[fathom hill]

I'm actually quite excited for that

[edgy stone]

Bossrush in silksong is hornet using the memory song on herself

[terse warren]

Oh my fucking god that's. Exactly true fml.

TRUST we'll get to see her be stronger than Rad

[edgy stone]

Why does no one think this

[sinful nimbus]

Memory would be the best way to go

Besides a menu

[edgy stone]

Its the only thing that makes sense

[fathom hill]

did you know some fuckass translator once said that godhome was after the true ending in hk

meaning they kind of just what, cleaned up the void???

[foggy fractal]

ok i'm done eating

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think that's true

[valid compass]

do you guys think the hype period is over for people to actually analyze the act 3 story

[terse warren]

HELL YEAH 🗣️

[edgy stone]

Or hornet pays the bonebottom guy to make a statue of every boss and then she plays the song at the statue to fight it

[stuck berry]

it could also allow a fight with vespa

[sinful nimbus]

Oh does true ending mean ETV

[edgy stone]

800 rosaries to refight a boss

[fathom hill]

in what sense

[edgy nebula]

yes

[lone folio]

Everyone fucking dies

[sinful nimbus]

I won't tolerate DNM slander

[velvet leaf]

isnt he like dead

[foggy fractal]

dnm love 😄

[edgy stone]

No he runs the survivors camp

[unreal estuary]

I still think it's DNM

[terse warren]

Ehhh I'd prefer to have it actually be in-game

[edgy nebula]

if godhome mode is after etv then tk probably just used the void heart to contain all the void present in godhome\

[velvet leaf]

oh i didnt notice

[edgy stone]

Dnm and etv are both equally cannon as neither is more likely than the other

[sinful nimbus]

I wish

[edgy stone]

The knight appearing as the shadelord can be explained by him being in the void itself and having a greater control of its power

[valid compass]

like the hornet and lace dynamic

[fathom hill]

I don't understand

[unreal estuary]

Yeah but The Knight appearing as its regular Shade self and not the uber-powerful one, with the Siblings too, implies DNM personally

[edgy stone]

Well it does flash both

[sinful nimbus]

Its ambiguous visions

[unreal estuary]

True, you are right honestly I just feel like Hornet would have brought it up if the ETV void invasion happened

[fathom hill]

I mean I can talk abt the dynamic after the hype but I'm sure a lot of people talk abt it

[edgy stone]

Its weird how void creatures exist in the void

[valid compass]

i expected bellhart to be the last place to be fucked up post act 2

[sinful nimbus]

What the heck is the ETV void invasion

[edgy stone]

Like they have form inside of this huge ocean of what they're made of

[fathom hill]

I just wished Lace got actual more dialogue outside of banter before battle

[unreal estuary]

When the void escapes out of Godseeker

[lone folio]

When shade lord gets into the real wod through godseeker

[unreal estuary]

It's implied that it goes on a bit of a rampage

[fathom hill]

We did see some semblance of it with the lace astro projection and that short while after Lace 2

[normal pike]

Lore question, what even is Eva

[fathom hill]

I just want more Lace man I think shes great

[sinful nimbus]

The Knight isn't malevolent

[edgy stone]

Artificial god

[sinful nimbus]

You can meet her one more time if you skip her first fight

[edgy stone]

Made by the weavers to take over silks position but was deemed a failure as she cannot exist outside of her cage thing

[fathom hill]

Yah but her dialogue is still banter or bluffing, Hornet even calls her out on it

[edgy stone]

Weavers have a weird god complex

[normal pike]

Oh

[edgy stone]

They seem mad that they arent actually gods

[fathom hill]

like "ooh im gonna fuck u up" and then she dips

[sinful nimbus]

🗣️

[terse warren]

She has like 2 extra lines btw, the rest is the same as the dialogue before the fight

[valid compass]

yes there is no proper build up to this relationship. lack of encounters made a lot of dialogue with varied emotions packed into two conversations

[edgy stone]

With first sinners dialouge and eva plus the fact they tried to groom hornet into becoming a leader for them

[fathom hill]

Like any dialogue in more peaceful time would have been nice

[foggy fractal]

and why is that ? dnm also has the void bursting out of the temple of the black egg

[brisk finch]

It'd be such an easy fix too, relatively speaking. She has multiple post-docks spawn locations. Just always spawn her in at least one of those no matter what, with just one more conversation.

[fathom hill]

Like I love Lace but she really isn't as developed

[edgy stone]

I do think hornets relationship with lace is shown enough, like I can understand it

[fathom hill]

Her story it's mostly tied with the fact she is in a hollow knight character and what that entails

[brisk finch]

You can follow the relationship, but it's missing that final oomf

[unreal estuary]

Idk, it feels different when we see the void dissipate out of the Egg versus cutting to black post-godseeker

[edgy stone]

Hornet feels kinship to lace due to her nature and reminding her of both herself and the vessels

[brisk finch]

Or well
it has the oomf, but not the buildup

[unreal estuary]

And the circumstances change with the Shade Lord being there

[brisk finch]

Beginning, part 1, end
Missing part 2

[sinful nimbus]

Can't believe the Lacenet memes were more interesting than what we got 💔

[valid compass]

ghost lace was the perfect opportunity to make lace just appear wherever they want

[stuck berry]

yeah i wish lace and hornet had interacted a little more because that deep docks fight was not it

[fathom hill]

Deadass

Such dissapointment

I still love Lace though shes great

[brisk finch]

Genuinely I think just one more conversation would fix it all
You'd have the implication of the start of the game, Docks/Missed Docks convo, Convo 2 (doesn't exist), Lace 2 fight, Lost Lace buildup as is

[fathom hill]

that's why lace 2 is my fav fight, we almost got a glimpse of her true nature and personality

[stuck berry]

ahuhu little spider you fucking suck *beats her to death* *leaves without a word*

[edgy stone]

I want more on phantom

[stuck berry]

they could do better

[sinful nimbus]

Lace 2 cutscene is cinema

[fathom hill]

Outside the coping mechanism she acquired in the void

[brisk finch]

Or the implication of the start of the game, Docks/Missed Docks convo, Lace 2 fight, Lost Lace buildup, Convo 2 (doesn't exist), LL ending

[fathom hill]

Again, should be the claim action

[foggy fractal]

theres really no reason for the knight to go on a rampage we don't have anything to suggest that it would

[fathom hill]

Or the "take" in the void lmao

[sinful nimbus]

Obligatory

Look I'm just saying if SS was a romance plot with another girl you could:

A) Theme the game around devotion
B) Contrast the devotion of a relationship with the toxic devotion to the Citadel
C) Take advantage of queer and religious subtext for advanced social commentary and
D) Have Hornet and her partner kiss on top of the Citadel instead of facing off against another BORING higher being.

This would've been a far more interesting and personal direction for the story to take instead of recycling the concept of Higher Beings influencing mortal bugs

[valid compass]

press O repeatedly

[edgy stone]

Make an embroidered phantom

[unreal estuary]

exactly, but the thing from ETV seems different, and we know Void attacks whatever it sees

[edgy stone]

Phantom who isnt actively dying and her patterns are fully present

[brisk finch]

TO be fair, I think Skong is more interested with motherhood and societal commentary than the general Higher Beings stuff from hk1

[fathom hill]

It did

[brisk finch]

HK was more general, Skong is more focused
Both have their appeal seperately, mind you

[fathom hill]

That's why when I see people complaining that the last fight wasnt with lost lace and gms combo

[flint relic]

yo ngl u guys have to agree them kissing would've fit the true ending so well

[fathom hill]

They totally miss the point of the story

Me think

[sinful nimbus]

Its a fine direction to take but it is really not fleshed out

[half shuttle]

any theories for possible dlcs?

[brisk finch]

I consider the title screen change to be confirmation lol

[flint relic]

like did u guys see the way hornet looked at her

[fathom hill]

Literally

[foggy fractal]

seems different doesn't confirm anything, and the knight is able to control the void
we don't really have anything against why ETV can't lead to Silksong

[unreal estuary]

Y'all we have no idea what the age gap is between Hornet and Lace

[sinful nimbus]

In the game's current state any romance would suck

[edgy stone]

I do like how in the end both hornet and lace are dependant on eachother

[flint relic]

I would like to once more divert the chats attention to this image as an answer.

[lone folio]

After lace 2 Hornet tells lace: "Yours was life, pale one. Do not confuse your unique creation with its absence. I have seen others made that same mistake." I'm guessing that this refers to the knight or hollow knight, or any other vessel but they are boring

[brisk finch]

I like the game as is, but I also think that this statement is accurate for now
But we'll only fully know after we see the dlc. We have no idea what exactly they cut to get a release date on this thing

[edgy stone]

Lace is the last of hornets kin and lace presumably needs hornet to make silk for her to live

[half shuttle]

id rather not

[stuck berry]

is stated to have the mind of a child horace just isn't it

[fathom hill]

Thank you

[sinful nimbus]

Why would the story be unfinished upon the games release

That sucks

[stuck berry]

once you've been to ss-lore you never want to stop beating lacenet shippers to death

[brisk finch]

It's basically clarifying again that the vessels weren't hollow

[brisk finch]

I wouldn't call the story unfinished at all. It has a beginning, middle and end

[fathom hill]

I feel offended

[flint relic]

tc did it to spite us... they knew what they wanted so they poisoned our meal.

[brisk finch]

Such an odd take

[stuck berry]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-angry-scare-gif-5183071

[sinful nimbus]

Lace and GMS are definitely not fleshed out

[fathom hill]

I thought we were friend poop hour, do you really thing so lowly of me?

[valid compass]

the story may be finished, but sometimes you can weave in another story
ex: outer wilds echoes of the eye

[edgy stone]

The ending certainly proves that the knight wasnt hollow and the seal ending was the worst one in hollowknight

[brisk finch]

"Mind of a child"
"No mind to think"
Ye okay I'll judge that for myseklf, thanks

[sinful nimbus]

No spoilers Im still playing through EOTE

[stuck berry]

they're relationship is more interesting without romance guys come on

[brisk finch]

I don't trust any statement about any character at face value

[valid compass]

okay 🗣️ ❌

[brisk finch]

People in this game are just wrong about others, quite often

[fathom hill]

But I like love

[edgy stone]

Hollow knight does always hint and wants you to think the vessels are obviously not hollow but the knight was always more ambiguous than the others

[fathom hill]

Love is precious thing

[stuck berry]

lacenet shipper and styx/skynx falser two strikes

[sinful nimbus]

Dude what

[stuck berry]

again shaknet is right there

[stuck berry]

hella cope

[sinful nimbus]

She's called a child by a reliable character AND meta text

[brisk finch]

I just explained. Characters in these games are often incorrect in their assumptions

[edgy stone]

Not fluffy

[unreal estuary]

I mostly just feel like from what we have Hornet views Lace in a more maternal role than a romantic one, she only starts to care for Lace after seeing her mother, and always calls her 'child' or 'young one'

[flint relic]

with the way tc use metaphors i can do nothing but doubt lace being described as a child is about who she is and not about her attitude

[fathom hill]

This guy believes in monogamy only smh my head

[zealous heath]

Broke: Hornet is lesbian

Woke: Hornet is bisexual and has a crush for every single powerful warrior we meet

[sinful nimbus]

No reason to believe this to be the case here

[brisk finch]

Is Shakra suddenly not a reliable character either?

The meta text calls Bellbeast they

[sinful nimbus]

Shakra is corrected by Hornet

[lone folio]

Yeah in HK that wasnt really the case but it was a possibility. Silksong just confirms it and I love it

[brisk finch]

the hollow vessels statement isn't verbally corrected in-game but that's suddenly no longer an argument either

[sinful nimbus]

They is an ambiguous pronoun yes, you can call anyone that

[fathom hill]

They hated him because he told them the truth

[stuck berry]

y'all are really pulling these excuses to justify doing whatever you want with lace

[zealous heath]

Lace is Hornet's aunt theorically speaking

[sinful nimbus]

It is

[edgy stone]

I wouldnt say maternal, I see it as sisters personally

[sinful nimbus]

THK explicitly failed

[stuck berry]

one more strike before the consequences bub

[brisk finch]

What do I need to justify about 4 black lines and the white fill in tool?

You realize that's not an actual child right? Or a human being?

[unreal estuary]

Fair, but either way not romantic

[flint relic]

I was acc being genuine, im not a creep.

[fathom hill]

I'll never falter to my beliefs and I'll never let anyone make me not enjoy them

[sinful nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-godzilla-x-kong-skar-king-king-kong-monsterverse-gif-14985676165515296192

[unreal estuary]

Like Hornet hates Lace for 75% of the story

[brisk finch]

Yeah but now it's clear the vessels as a group weren't hollow either. The project was based on a wrong premise

[stuck berry]

when i'm making stuff about hornet and lace doing shit i'm portraying them as weird cousins personally

[edgy stone]

Hornet having a sister she can care for I think is important to her character because the massive issue for her in hk was the fact she had to kill her other siblings

[sinful nimbus]

We knew that

[brisk finch]

You can't think about fiction like fiction, that doesn't make me the weird one

[zealous heath]

You can see Lace words towards hornet as flirting tho

[brisk finch]

I knew that. People disagreed for years

[flint relic]

she's a tsundere

[valid compass]

unfruitiful debate, time to dip

[zealous heath]

But Lace is basically the same as the second sentinel

[edgy stone]

Hornet has a fucking awful family life so her having someone to replace it is a good end for her

[sinful nimbus]

Unethical power dynamics are fine if its fictional ofc

[fathom hill]

I don't want to yap about lace age again everytime I do i get a lil depressed

[flint relic]

🤤

SECOND SENTINEL*!(!

[fathom hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1416563677385195581/a60r3n.gif

[lone folio]

No vessel is actually perfect so everything that the pale king tried was all in vain also matching that one thing about seeing gods not meet their titles. He thought he could control the situation and make hallownest eternal but didn't realise the issues with his plan.

[brisk finch]

I think a (semi) immortal life partner is the happiest ending for Hornet, and a partner who acknowledges her as a person is the happiest for Lace so she can heal
That's it

[edgy stone]

3 of her family were nice to her and one died when she was young, and the other 2 sealed themselves away because of the infection

[sinful nimbus]

Welcome to #sk-lore we only have eugenics apologia and pedophilia apologia

[zealous heath]

HornetXLace is literally: "Yeah my grandmother made a robot and I felt the urge to fuck it, what about it? 🫵😡"

[brisk finch]

Pedophilia are you for real

[lone folio]

That's what I don't enjoy about the story

[edgy stone]

We also learn the weavers were probably good to hornet but they are just generally pieces of dhit

[lone folio]

I like everything else but the lace thing since it feels random

[sinful nimbus]

Lace is a child yeah

[zealous heath]

Lace isn't a child tho

[unreal estuary]

See I like this interpretation a lot, people can be platonic partners and enjoy each other's company without needing to be in love

[sinful nimbus]

"Silk spun child"

[stuck berry]

don't forget cannibalism apologia

[fathom hill]

The whole point of the story its that she is not s robot, she is a bug with feeling!! 😠

[unreal estuary]

And it gives them both a happy ending with a good family

[sinful nimbus]

Vro is arguing with meta text

[brisk finch]

Do you understand how throwing actual serious terms around for the video game discussion about the silk character is really messed up?

[zealous heath]

Shakra says that hornet is a child, constantly

[fathom hill]

Again, same 5 topics every day

[brisk finch]

Do you understand how harm in the real world isn't the same thing?

[sinful nimbus]

That's not meta text

[edgy stone]

It also fits laces story as she wants a family and a reason to exist as well

[unreal estuary]

Yep

[sinful nimbus]

Shakra is also corrected

[flint relic]

DONT CALL GMS GRANDMOTHER ITS "GRAND MOTHER"

[edgy stone]

Lace also has to kill her sibling like hornet does in hk

Well lace doesnt directly kill phantom but it's implied she helped you find phantom

[zealous heath]

You can easily argue that Hornet calling Lace a child is just Hornet being old as fuck

[flint relic]

ts genuinely pmo

[sinful nimbus]

But she's noted to have the mind of a child

[stuck berry]

grandmamma

[lone folio]

Old parent spiderweb

[flint relic]

STOP

[edgy stone]

Which would be for no reason other than to kill her

[stuck berry]

baba grangran

[sinful nimbus]

Also its meta text not Hornet's opinion

[zealous heath]

I'm not even arguing for hornetXLace btw, just so we are clear

[edgy stone]

Hornet and lace parallel eachother a lot

[zealous heath]

HornetXShakraXSeth is more fun

[unreal estuary]

And she appears immediately afterwards, it's like she wanted to give Phantom peace

[edgy nebula]

magnificent birthgiver string

[stuck berry]

anyone else find it weird how the void tendril metatext is just a rewording of the same thing for no reason

[fathom hill]

Hornet would NEVER be with a man

[zealous heath]

???

[sinful nimbus]

Not really

[zealous heath]

Hornet is a demigod, she's clearly pansexual

[flint relic]

a girl at school kept ragebaiting me by calling gms a gilf, I got so fed up CUZ ITS NOT WITH A G ITS WITH AN M its not GRANDMOTHER GAGAHAAAAAA

[lone folio]

I feel like discussion about Hornet x lace has set us back a couple of years worth of lore speculation

[brisk finch]

To be fair
Silk->Weavers like Herrah-> Hornet
Gammy

[fathom hill]

Have you seen what she did to the one gay man in the story

[edgy stone]

Hornet might honestly contain the same desire to have children or heirs like silk

[stuck berry]

it's also like this with wingsmoulds and also i think lifeseeds it's weird to me

[edgy stone]

We know that the natures of pale beings are somewhat passed down to their kin

[fathom hill]

Yeah actually, apparently she did try to have offspring but failed cuz of the curse

[flint relic]

no, she merely transformed the pharlids. even if she called the weavers her daughters, they aren't

[edgy stone]

Of course this is assuming that the weavers enhanced by silk take in more of silks nature

[unreal estuary]

Well but we also know that Weavers can't have kids easily

[zealous heath]

She killed Karmelita too

[sinful nimbus]

Its not as jarring as the Hardbone Hopper entry being a ripoff of the Cowardly Husk entry

[brisk finch]

Adoption 😄
I getcha, fair enough, but you can make the argument

[stuck berry]

why do you care so much about the spelling gms is functionally both a mother and grandmother to the weavers

[brisk finch]

It definitely feels likeintentional word play

[edgy stone]

Hornet does have a primal desire to rule and be queen

[flint relic]

adoption isn't real stop being WOKE 🚫 /j

[fathom hill]

It was necessary, green prince was optional and yet she still did it

[edgy stone]

This is either from silk or the pale kinf

[lone folio]

It was all a lie to keep them working forever

[zealous heath]

You can kill green prince and spare karmelita

[fathom hill]

You can but idk how canon it really is

[brisk finch]

I actually read GMS's whole Deal as desperately wanting daughters
The pharlids were a real attempt

She's just a terrible mother overall

[fathom hill]

Given she is only told karmelita but not green prince

[edgy stone]

I like headcannoning the pale king as a bug much more simpled nature than the ones he helped elevate

[stuck berry]

i like that the game is like "okay nyleth wasn't doing a lot to begin with and khann sucked but you have to choose to kill either a sad prince or a dying queen"

[brisk finch]

I genuinely wonder a bit if the beta patch regrowth is TC realizing that killing GP really accomplished nothing. Now it at least reads to a potential new Verdania

[zealous heath]

But you still can do it so

[edgy stone]

Like all he does is follow his nature to rule as a wyrm

[foggy fractal]

or y'know just kill them all muhahahaha

[lone folio]

What did khann do?

[zealous heath]

And tbh I don't know how a lesbian bug would have seen karmelita and not immediately kneel at her feet

[edgy stone]

I am a proud khanstan

[fathom hill]

Could be, though theres water coming out of khann too so

[edgy nebula]

nothing

[brisk finch]

Like okay yes GP dies so you can have a memento and fight but also uhhhhh Verdania will grow from the ashes

[lone folio]

He was just a powerful leader

[fathom hill]

Could be a pharloom is healing kind of thing

[stuck berry]

bloodthirsty tyrant

[edgy nebula]

oh, khann ruled half of pharloom

[fathom hill]

You can also choose not to do it

[brisk finch]

That's def the overall effect now, and I'm glad, but I can't help but wonder if it wasn't in at launch because they hadn't fully considered what the response would be

[flint relic]

Ok guys, what about the REAL questions?

Will we see the city of steel in Pablo?

How the hell did the knight end up under pharloom? Did it just happen to be there?

Will we see the blackbarrens in Pablo?

[edgy nebula]

there is?? any picture??

[brisk finch]

It doesn't truly matter, but it's interesting to think about

[fathom hill]

Something something Hornet only saves tragic women

[fathom hill]

brb

[zealous heath]

Nyleth and Khann are dead and then is like: yeah you want to kill the most beautiful woman or the most handsome man in all Pharloom?

[stuck berry]

kid named sherma

[zealous heath]

Maybe both so you can put a hearth in your shelf

[flint relic]

I need to see a screenshot

[brisk finch]

Did you not watch the announcement trailer? You can clearly see the door!

[fathom hill]

sherma is the exception not the rule

[edgy stone]

I know people arent the biggest fan of it but I would love to see more of wyrmkind

[flint relic]

what door

[fathom hill]

We've talked about this

[brisk finch]

To the Steel City??

[zealous heath]

Seth

[flint relic]

OH YEHA

[stuck berry]

kid named all of bellhart which includes at least three men and two normal women who aren't tragic

also both couriers

[fathom hill]

she did not save seth

[edgy stone]

Hornet shouldve let the nailsmith die

[lone folio]

Maybe one of the siblings noticed her and went to warn the knight about it?

[brisk finch]

Hornet did her best to save Bonebottom and can continue to help Flick and the survivors

[unreal estuary]

I love the couriers, they run the most desired small business in Pharloom and then just pawn their duties off on some random person because they're scared

[zealous heath]

Also she did get food for two random dudes, no lesbian would do that

[edgy stone]

Asshole gets mad at you if you refuse to upgrade your nail. Well sorry I cant afford it, if you want to upgrade it so much dont charge me 900 rosaries asshole

[flint relic]

I love the couriers, I love the implication that they decided to stay in bellhart basically forever just because hornet told them its dangerous outside

[edgy stone]

Fucking hate the nailsmith hes a piece of shit

[fathom hill]

She is kind of a hero too ok

[zealous heath]

Broke people is so funny 🫵🤡

[fathom hill]

Theres must have been plenty of tragic women if the bellhart town is big

[zealous heath]

Lesbian hornet is so forced omg

[fathom hill]

It is

[zealous heath]

She's clearly pansexual

[brisk finch]

I love seeing how deeply kind Hornet is, even if she's also a bit standoffish at times
She's letting herself breathe a little, instead of standing guard all the time

[flint relic]

But if the knight unified them all, wouldn't they be in the same spot? We're diving deep into speculation now but its worth a thought

[sinful nimbus]

Unironically my least favorite character now that I learned upgrading your nail is mandatory for true ending

[stuck berry]

ubereats

[fathom hill]

People just don't like seeing a strong lesbian woman being the protagonist shaking my head my head

[flint relic]

I agree

[sinful nimbus]

Least favorite NPC *
Hornet will always be my least favorite character

[zealous heath]

You can actually see her change slowly through the acts, is really beautiful

[brisk finch]

I love her writing in this game

[unreal estuary]

I don't think they have to move, the Void is everywhere and they're inside it, they can just be there

[edgy stone]

I think the sequel to silksong should show that hornet became a deadbeat and created something as awful as the vessels

[foggy fractal]

now who is your most favourite character and or npc

[flint relic]

She's SO apathetic at the beginning of the game tho!!

[foggy fractal]

whoops wrong reply

[edgy stone]

All sequels should make your favorite characters shitty and pathetic

[unreal estuary]

Garmond

[zealous heath]

Shes not lesbian
I would say that Shakra is x100 more lesbian than her

[foggy fractal]

actually doesn't matter state it anyway

[edgy nebula]

does anyone have a photo of water coming out of khann or nah

[brisk finch]

I remember feeling hesitant about a "game like hk" but the protag talks
lol
lmao

[fathom hill]

Well she can be both lesbian and pansexual what about that

[zealous heath]

What about
No

[fathom hill]

Why not

[brisk finch]

Even then, she never corrects Sherma's assumption about the door. Once she's settled a bit, she really starts trying to help (or at least go with the flow)

[sinful nimbus]

Could you imagine if TK constantly ran its mouth 😭

[zealous heath]

Because how would she marry second sentinel if she's a lesbian? 🫵😡

[foggy fractal]

nope

[terse warren]

???

[fathom hill]

My major fear was always not becoming accustomed to hornets moveset, normally fast characters I struggle with

Only to prefer it 10x more than hk moveset lmao

[foggy fractal]

based on this #sk-lore message

[flint relic]

Then why wasn't the knight there to protect her from the first place? why didn't it stop lace if it knew? Doesn't make sense to me. Yesterday someone suggested that everything might go through the void like a wave (when you drop something in water) and that's why the knight didnt find out straight away.

[edgy nebula]

bistec said water came out of khann too after you killed him

[zealous heath]

Reaper crest

[brisk finch]

I specifically didn't allow myself to check out the demo at gamescom because I knew I'd need to adjust to it in peace

[terse warren]

mhh

[zealous heath]

GMS and Lace mean shit to the knight tho

[fathom hill]

That's cuz the second sentinel is woman

[flint relic]

tbh it's only since she starts doing quests tho

[fathom hill]

I think i mean they robot idk

[zealous heath]

He saved Hornet because he cared for her
He doesn't care if the world crumbles

[brisk finch]

She can start really early tho 😉

[flint relic]

lace tried to kill hornet tho, while driven by void

[flint relic]

true

[zealous heath]

But Hornet wasn't in the void

[terse warren]

most recent patch right?

[brisk finch]

I wonder if GMS' coccoon interfered with the Knight's ability to know what was going on. If it couldn't sense who was fighting who...

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[brisk finch]

Apparently

[edgy nebula]

the steam patch or whatever

[brisk finch]

Or beta still

[terse warren]

alr give me 5 mins to beat khaan and i can check

[flint relic]

The knight must've known either way since hornet went down through the void + it must've known lace was there + is must've known lace was fighting something, and since GMS is covered in void as well tk would know it wasn't her lace was fighting.

[brisk finch]

To be fair, Hornet enters with the everbloom. That may have made her invisible

[zealous heath]

But again, hornet wasn't in the void + she had the flower

[flint relic]

void was leaking into it from the start though, the floor in the arena is void, right?

[edgy nebula]

alright, ty

[brisk finch]

So then it becomes
Lace is fighting something that isn't GMS/the big silk lady
Oh
OH SISTER

[bronze turret]

Oh my gods, how come I hadn't noticed that before...?! The Menu Screen's leitmotif is Grand Mother Silk's theme!

[lone folio]

Yeah, maybe he just sensed the everbloom since it is a very powerful object but we truly don't know and he could be there for the cool ending

[foggy fractal]

check green prince too
does it immedeitaly appear or do you have to do smth else
cuz after the update I had to find a new room, update my map then it showed up (clovers)

[zealous heath]

The knight only intervened when the flowers destroyed

[flint relic]

probably not since the rest of the void still tries attacking her

[terse warren]

alr ill do that

[flint relic]

"oh shit lemme help out"

[brisk finch]

Yes, but it may have interfered with the ability to identify her
Because the void is rejected by the everbloom

[zealous heath]

Are Khan and the Green Prince the only ones who changed in the update? What about Karmelita or Nyleth?

[flint relic]

trueee

[brisk finch]

In the end the result is the same ofc
Ghost absolutely booking it to save its sister

❤️

[brisk finch]

Haven't heard anything about either.
in before ant city dlc

[terse warren]

well i never heard about Khaan's water, so i thought it was only GP

[flint relic]

I meaaan karmelita is very dead and I dont see how something could sprout from her, and shellwood still exists

[zealous heath]

I need skarr dlc!!!!1 c'mon team cherry, don't be mean 😡

[brisk finch]

I think Verdania is the only spot that really needs it (as silver lining to GP's death)
But it'd be nice for all of them

[zealous heath]

It would be interesting being able to access mottled skarrs memories to see hunter march in their orime

[flint relic]

truee

[terse warren]

grey memento says life will grow anew with time

[flint relic]

or gurr!

[brisk finch]

True, but is that a general statement for The Future or is it a statement about the future of the game

[zealous heath]

Also, can anyone confirm if Gurr the outcast body is lifted by the small ants? I was in his arena and the body wasn't there!!

[flint relic]

I think there are no ants on tbe ground there

only in hunters march

[zealous heath]

I mean, that arena is part of hunters march

[flint relic]

isn't it far fields

[zealous heath]

But if there's no small ants then he is alive!!1

[zealous heath]

Oh yeah, you're right my bad

[flint relic]

no worries

[zealous heath]

We do see the small ants carry the bodies when they attack the greymoor bodega

[brisk finch]

I don't think he falls apart upon death so... maybe?

[brisk finch]

Okay to be fair I think they claimed the basement as part of Hunter's March

[fathom hill]

I'm sure I saw it somewhere and I did ask here a couple days ago for confirmation.

I may or may not have been the victim of missinformation I'm sorry

[brisk finch]

Like, signed a declaration and all

[flint relic]

[zealous heath]

Sure but we could argue that far fields (at least that upper part) was part of hunters march in the past

[flint relic]

we must find out

[fathom hill]

I may check later though there's like 0 information on what other changes were made online even the verdania growing grass stuff

[brisk finch]

I was moreso talking about active presence XD

[limpid summit]

This would be the funniest shit ever he’s just holding the last of the water

[fathom hill]

Also I'm despising way more the ai mode they added on google

[flint relic]

??

[zealous heath]

Yeah I know I'm just saying xD

[flint relic]

mote ai?

[fathom hill]

Why does the transition to it takes so long when I press accidentally so annoying

[flint relic]

more*

[zealous heath]

I would love if Gurr is alive, he was an easy boss but the vibes were 11/10

[brisk finch]

I'm sure the ants do stand the best chance out of everyone when it comes to moving on
I'm not saying they can't lay claim to all of far fields

[silk dirge]

i still need answers how this mf captured a fucking grand reed

[zealous heath]

He's just goated

[fathom hill]

that shit right there so annoying

[flint relic]

why the hell do they attack hornet if they're not haunted? are they just mad in general, or overprotective?

[zealous heath]

Spanish speaker spotted 👀

[silk dirge]

ants are haunted

[flint relic]

oh no. oh no.

[zealous heath]

They are haunted thi

[silk dirge]

except the mottled ones

[fathom hill]

My name is in spanish friend

[zealous heath]

The only ones not haunted are Karmelita and the three mottled skarrs

[flint relic]

I thought skarrsinger's faint voice still protected them

[brisk finch]

Yeah, they seem to be less... corpsy haunted
but they're still haunted

Dead ants explode instead of being resurrected and told to fight again 😄

[zealous heath]

Para ser justo, bistec es simplemente beef steak

[silk dirge]

she can barely sing when you meet her

i dont think her voice is protecting anyone at that point

[edgy nebula]

i see, 's all good then

[zealous heath]

Yeah but she's slowly dying, we can argue that she delayed the haunting

But the journal entries confirm that they are in fact haunted by the silk

[flint relic]

I dont quite remember but I think she said something about it?? not looking it up now tho since im going to sleep. gn skong lore chat.

[fathom hill]

But I'm sure I remember after the battle something like that happens though I may be disremembering

[edgy nebula]

@terse warren did you ever find out if khann's mysterious moisture was real

[foggy fractal]

ok there's no water at Khann

[fathom hill]

I'll just open up the game brb

[flint relic]

NOOO

[terse warren]

yeah there's no water

[fathom hill]

beef

[edgy nebula]

damn, rest in piss

[terse warren]

tried to send a recording but file size too big

[foggy fractal]

I'm assuming its just clover dancers cuz people would've checked

[brisk finch]

The Karmelita line may be this btw
"This graceful ruler once possessed skill to rival my own. At her youthful peak, her voice united all Skarr in her service.
"

peak

[fathom hill]

damn would have been nice though

[flint relic]

not what I was thinking of

[terse warren]

i also took the time to look around the coral tower a bit lol

the one in the dream, i mean

[zealous heath]

We
Need
More
Skate
Loreeee!!!!!!1

[silk dirge]

someone got silkposted

[fathom hill]

maybe they add it as like a sekiro wind situation

[brisk finch]

She also has dream dialogue that goes like
Remember the song!
My children!
Curse the creature pale

thats paraphrasing not quoting

[edgy nebula]

find anything epic

[fathom hill]

pal pico

[terse warren]

ok ill check this one now

[flint relic]

"How we hunted.. how we sang.. my children, I saw you glorious.."

so cool

and sad

[silk dirge]

karmelita is such a sad story

[terse warren]

not really aside from noticing that the walls on the left and right during the first silk soar really are just tiles from the original Coral Gorge that were repurposed lol

[flint relic]

very sad

[edgy nebula]

humm

i know that there's a door to the right of where you first silk soar up when you reach the top, it might be a wall aswell

[terse warren]

it brings you nowhere

[silk dirge]

i think its kinda especially sad when hornet says karmelita once matched her skill bc hornets lifespan is crazy while karmelita is a mortal

[flint relic]

:(

[edgy nebula]

yeah, but it's curious

[flint relic]

coralbender khann is dead forever

[terse warren]

there's also a door to the right of karmelita which also brings nowhere

[silk dirge]

i wonder how long hornet will live for

i wonder if she has like basically lifespan immortality where she cant die from old age but other shit can kill her

[terse warren]

maybe it's where the bench is, the one that we find to the right of khaan's corpse i mean

although that might be the top of the tower

maybe then it was the entrance

[fathom hill]

A lot probably she doesn't show any sign of physical wear

[edgy nebula]

khann's throne is at the bottom of where you silk soar which implies that youre coming up directly from where you used the needolin

[fathom hill]

Other than she doesn't remember herrahs face but thats cuz she was a baby then

[zealous heath]

I need to know why the three mottled skarrs are the only ones that still hear Karmelita song/aren't haunted

[frosty gate]

And it's been like 400 years

[silk dirge]

i wonder if higher beings in hk are also like lifespan immortal or if they just live for a very long time

bc obviously higher beings can die from other sources

but can they die from old age

[fathom hill]

Probably just live for a long time

I'm sure Pale King just rotted in his palace

[silk dirge]

bc i know greek gods are basically completely immortal unless they get forgotten about

[silk dirge]

pk possibly committed suicide

thats what a lot of people here think

[frosty gate]

I was gonna say

[fathom hill]

Could be

[frosty gate]

It makes more sense

[fathom hill]

But idk how would a higher being commit suicide

If it wasn't through the void

Maybe he just stopped eating or sustaining himself

[frosty gate]

I mean isn't there a whole Dialogue that says that Bugs can just decide to die to create a charm?

[silk dirge]

higher beings dont need to eat

[frosty gate]

Maybe bugs can just "Turn off"

[fathom hill]

Was he even remorseful for what he did? We know white lady was but idk

[fathom hill]

I imagined not

[fathom hill]

Really?

Which one

[terse warren]

@foggy fractal nvm id have to go through all of verdania again and honestly fuck that

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/walks-away-sad-leave-tom-and-jerry-gif-16877258

[terse warren]

im pretty sure it's only when you come back after a bench

[fathom hill]

I'm asking cuz I always interpreted that the "no cost too great" was he not showing remorse until the end

And a cut dialogue says he is hiding himself there from the radiance so idk how plausible it is that he just hide himself there only to kill himself

[terse warren]

He thinks, or at least wants to think, that his choice was the right one. Doesn't mean he doesn't feel guilty

[terse warren]

Cut content is not real content

[frosty gate]

Found it, damn I've still got it. Salubra

[fathom hill]

It isn't but it gives us a lil image of what tc was thinking or leading their stories

They could have cut it for many reasons

[edgy barn]

And we have no way of knowing which one actually is

[terse warren]

One of which may be that they don't find it to be accurate, so just don't consider it

[silk dirge]

nah i consider the cut snail village from hk fully canon and you should too

enjoy discussing the 2 lines of dialog seen in trailers

[frosty gate]

"Until proven otherwise" is a nice addition.
Wasn't "Daughter of 3 Queens" cut content?

[silk dirge]

not particularly