sk-lore

[covert tusk]

And will murder you if you don’t comply

[slim tree]

I mean they are, no? They were made from the power of a god basically

[stuck berry]

the fleas come together in a mech, mooshka directs them to charge at you and they have spiky helmets that can hurt

[stuck berry]

they didn't like it i don't know what else i can say

[bronze turret]

Not really. The whole thing about her is that her relationship with the Weavers and Lace is, in classic lovecraftian Old God style, a thing of dominance and control over your creations, intertwined with a metaphor for a certain parental dynamic.

[stuck berry]

why does he look like kratt

[slim tree]

This is so cool i wish we had more abt gms

[muted lantern]

He's a bit delayed

[covert tusk]

She wants family but only the kind of family that serves more like a personal doll than a person, and gets upset when people act like people and not completely loyal unthinking dress up toys

[fathom hill]

Giving how Hornet also has played the role of sentinel for her dying kingdom, her apparently seeing it after years of it as something foolish or to be criticized she could also be reflecting herself in lace.

Lace is of course a very hurt individual that lashes violently at everything because of that hurt, could be what Hornet drove her even a little bit into killing dozens of her siblings in hk?

[edgy barn]

Yeah that's the point. The game uses the fact a player from the first game would care about the vessels to make them care about Lace by drawing comparisons between the two. It didn't work for me, I think Lace should have been able to stand on her own; currently her massive role in Act 3 is supported on just previous three interactions where she gets little characterization beyond "mommy issues" and "crazy murderer"

[fathom hill]

Maybe im yapping now or looking too much into it

[foggy fractal]

what if we got Lost Mort
Mort The Mortician is his title

[fathom hill]

[slim tree]

That last part i dont agree with, she killed the vessels to test their capabilities to become the new hollow knight

[bronze turret]

Exactly! HK also had a concept of parental expectations in its lore, in Silksong we see another type of it.

[fathom hill]

Honestly yeah, if anything Lace gets too little characterization to actually have anything beyond her facade or what we think could be a parallel with the knight, it is even possible that after the events of act 3 we could actually see some of it in depth

This is why I wish for another act, I just wish we got more time with her outside of battle

[stuck berry]

well not entirely, she knew the sealing plan would never work so she killed them so they wouldn't make the infection work. when our knight beat her she saw the potential in it and the fight in kingdom's edge was the test of strength

[fathom hill]

Her struggle of self worth and nihilism does resound with me a bit more though so maybe im biased

[slim tree]

I love that in silksong we get gms with some redeeming qualities to me the radiance was just kinda revengeful

[fathom hill]

As someone said once if you like a character only after changing their whole personality to be a bit nicer, do you even like them?

[stuck berry]

i very much like that lace does not enjoy being her mother's agent and feels some catharsis in sending her down the snare

[fathom hill]

Yeah but she saves the knight after, in the end the slaughtering of vessels was futile cause hallownest was long gone

[stuck berry]

i don't think it's a redeeming moment personally she just really loved her child and saw that hornet also wanted to save her

[bronze turret]

Well, she did one redeemable act, but I wouldn't say she has redeeming qualities, nor that she has done enough to outweight all the harm she's caused.

[slim tree]

Well not redeeming as to like overs power her bads but shes not all bad

[stuck berry]

i mean i like hornet more than i did when i first played hollow knight because she developed into a nicer person

[fathom hill]

i dont know who gave her the role of the sentinel of hallownest, but for me the message of both games is to grow beyond whatever the people in power or above you told you to do, to not care on the circumnstances of your birth or upnbringing

[slim tree]

Like the radiance didnt do anything good meanwhile we have gms sacrificing herself for hornet and lace

[stuck berry]

she has traces of her old self but this hornet is a far cry from the one in greenpath

[slim tree]

I think she took it upon herself to

[fathom hill]

Thats why the vessels are not hollow and would never be, and why hornet in retrospect says some would say its foolish to stay sentinel for a dying land

[pine plume]

Especially no more shaw 🥀💔

[stuck berry]

shaw is actually a vesselphobic racial slur that's why she doesn't say it anymore

[strong sail]

Only a fool believes that void can be fashioned to do their bidding.

[fathom hill]

I do love it

[stuck berry]

dad's an idiot through and through

[strong sail]

i absolutely love the idea of hollow knight as a franchise being named after a futile ideal

a hollow knight, as the pale king envisioned, cannot exist

[stuck berry]

a silk song...

[silver spire]

guys is it weird that after playing silksong, i now think that i can't hit the front of the godtamer's beast's body? 😭

https://tenor.com/view/god-tamer-hollow-knight-turntable-3d-sculpting-daily-challenge-gif-10062318257531916612

[strong sail]

oh my god

[bronze turret]

Going off by what Red Memory shows us and what Hornet says about her past, I would say she chose to be a sentinel on her own volition. Something all 3 queens had always respected was letting Hornet choose her path. It's a foil to the parental dynamic that GMS had with the Weavers, Phantom and Lace. They never had a choice but to follow what GMS expected of them.

[mossy root]

I swear the most striking piece of dialogue in the entire game to me was “Yours was a life, pale one.” Like
It honestly summarizes her entire response to what the pale king said with “No cost too great”

[strong sail]

it's so unlikely
but i really really really really wish if we get postgame content

we get to see ghost come into their own as a more defined character

[fathom hill]

Yeah and its such a contrast with how the pale king wished to raise thk

[strong sail]

because a character is hidden in that little shell of theirs
someone we never really met despite how much time we spent playing as them

[stuck berry]

she was basically the only candidate. everyone else had either fallen to the infection or was too weak to do anything about it, and she had blood and emotional ties with a chunk of it's major rulers

[fathom hill]

THK never got to choose what they wanted, they were predetermined to do so since their conception, Lace was too

[bronze turret]

That too!

[fathom hill]

The vessels were too, the knight isnt however, they at the end if anything could have chosen

[strong sail]

ghost and post-game lace would be an incredible dynamic i think

[lethal burrow]

Once again, I wonder what grandmother silk even did that was so bad

[strong sail]

capitalism

[fathom hill]

being white

[strong sail]

Why are you white

[stuck berry]

force thousands of bugs to unquestionably worship her and cause the building of a giant capital over thriving kingdoms, killing them

[lethal burrow]

not a sherma fan either then huh?

[fathom hill]

Yes

[lethal burrow]

Where are you getting that from though?

[fathom hill]

Thats why the existence of Lace in a franchise called hollow knight is such a strong idea, they ARE the hollow knight in hollow knight silksong

I just wish we got more of that

[stuck berry]

huh this i never considered

[bronze turret]

Indeed. Something worth noting is that letting Hornet choose comes from the 3 queens, and it's no coincidence. There are underlying themes of womanhood tied within the lore as well concerning freedom and the liberty to choose what life you want to lead.

[stuck berry]

i mean the haunting is pretty bad

[quick geyser]

Is that mediatok I sense

[fathom hill]

also they are called the white knight

[strong sail]

what the fuck is mediatok

[fathom hill]

Idk if in some achievement or something outside but I like it a lot

[stuck berry]

no i did catch that, interestingly pure vessel was also clad in white

[strong sail]

both in the achievement and by hornet

[quick geyser]

Just people discussing writing of multiple media dw about it

[strong sail]

if it's a tiktok thing then ive never interacted with it

[stuck berry]

is lace a narrative foil to pure vessel

[strong sail]

i don't use tiktok
hell, i dont have a phone
because i hate them

[quick geyser]

Aight man

[fathom hill]

It is quite peak im not gonna lie

[strong sail]

silksong's character writing is generally just
so peak

[mossy root]

I think she is? At least when I played through silksong that was the very first thing I thought of

[stuck berry]

built up to fulfil the lofty expectations of their pale parentage, fail and get themselves corrupted and their parentage in danger, both needed help from someone else to recover from that failure

[strong sail]

someone else related to that parentage in some way, no less

[stuck berry]

right

[fathom hill]

nah hes one of the good ones

[mossy root]

They’re incredibly similar characters but it’s very interesting in that they’re meant to fulfill opposite roles and kind of crave what the other has
Lace’s needolin dialogue says a lot about wanting to be seen, to be a knight, to be strong, but fundamentally she is just the ‘child of GMS’
Hollow clearly very much loved their father and wanted to be loved but first and foremost they are Only the hollow knight, meant to seal away the radiance

[stuck berry]

great take

[bronze turret]

Lace would be a Parallel to THK, actually. A Foil in storytelling is when a character's background and personality is the complete opposite of the one they're a foil to, in order to create contrast and emphasize the aspects that make them different from one another. Lace is Hornet's foil.

[strong sail]

now we need fanfiction about the two taking eachothers place

[fathom hill]

Hornet choosing to be a sentinel by herself and then seeing how futile it was in the end would make this tidbit much sense too

If anything they are asking the second sentinel if they are willing to commit the same mistakes she did

[stuck berry]

FUCK i misread

[mossy root]

PLEASE I NEED A FIC WITH THEM INTERACTING SO BADLY
ALWAYS bet on THK in the silksong dlc

[strong sail]

it's funny because lace couldn't be the hollow knight either

she's definitely got voice to cry suffering because by god she never stops talking during her fight

[stuck berry]

how exactly is lace hornet's foil? i agree but i need some more clarity on that

[fathom hill]

Also someone said something about how the pale king didnt care about his children more than his kingdom, but gms did care for her children more than her kingdom in the end

Thats another fun comparison

[stuck berry]

dinero

[strong sail]

Niichan!

every time i heard that voiceline after i hit her parry i wanted to kick her face in even more

[fathom hill]

Aint she wonderful

[stuck berry]

I love that in deep docks lace hums her mother's theme, there's some narrative significance to that but atm I'm too tired to think it through

[strong sail]

she hums Silk's Song?

[fathom hill]

mommy issues

[bronze turret]

Hornet is the daughter that was allowed a choice, who was raised with her future in mind, and mature due to her experiences. Lace is the daughter that was not given a choice, expected to always fulfill her mother's expectations, stunted in her emotional and mental growth due to the way she was raised.

[edgy barn]

Lace singing voice when Hornet plays the needolin is ear shattering. Couldn't be the goat Phantom.

[oak dock]

Does Mister Mushroom eat ass?

[stuck berry]

it's possible

[fathom hill]

the bug who lived

[hallow cove]

Prob

[strong sail]

does mister ass eat mushroom

[foggy fractal]

nah TC just told me

[fathom hill]

yes

[strong sail]

No

[fathom hill]

i am mister ass

[strong sail]

Oh God

[fathom hill]

yes hello

[mossy root]

Okay but since lace parallels with hollow it is kinda neat that phantom somewhat parallels with ghost
I mean. Ghost. Phantom. Its mainly in that they’re discarded children of gods
The parallels arent that strong but I do like the idea of them meeting

[stuck berry]

if only phantom could've paralleled with ghost on the whole being alive thing

[strong sail]

the silk children and void children meeting is like
the peakest idea

i NEED to see it

[fathom hill]

true

[mossy root]

Exactly
Ive drawn smthn about it but I rlly need it to happen fr
Or at least lace meeting hollow

[stuck berry]

the pale silk sisters the pale void brothers and the middle child who is all three

[edgy barn]

Phantom should have been named Afterthought because that's what she is storywise.

[bronze turret]

Hah! I hadn't taken notice of this, only that she was a reference to Phantom of The Opera. Nice!

[strong sail]

VOIDBROTHERS HOLIN AND GHRON

[mossy root]

YEAH
I hadn’t noticed it myself but the achievement for beating phantom is also “Grey Ghost” so

[fathom hill]

not only the discarded ones, but the first to be, since ghost was apparently seocnd to THK in the abyss climb and phantom was the first try at what would eventually be lace

[strong sail]

grey princess

[fathom hill]

This is fun but aside from that at the name i cant draw another thematic parallel

[stuck berry]

how can i connect this to grey prince zote

[fathom hill]

grey

the color is same

[oak dock]

holy shit we got a HIGHEST BEING in this chat

[strong sail]

i need ghost to dig out their head shell and put it back on so they can go up the diving bell with hornet and explore pharloom

[fathom hill]

[cedar skiff]

people acknowledging pv lace parallels i used to pray for times like these

[stuck berry]

zote is the opposite of the knight in that he speaks and has a will (though lacking a mind) and is utterly weak. if we are to take the "zote is from shellwood" thing seriously his hypothetical mother greyroot could also parallel white lady, instead of a white plant who nurtures life she is a gray parasite who leeches off it.

[strong sail]

it will never happen but

[oak dock]

ZoteBoat coming soon

[strong sail]

i love the greyroot is zote's mom theory because it's almost certianly not true but i really really really really want it to be because of stuff like this

[stuck berry]

as always it boils down to doting mom vs neglectful father

[bronze turret]

Oh I hadn't realized this! It was under our noses all along

[oak dock]

SAME

[cedar skiff]

which way hollow knight franchise

[strong sail]

phantom should pick ghost up and shake them

[cedar skiff]

always with the shitty parents

[stuck berry]

it's so not true but you can't deny zote has an undeniable connection to shellwood and by extention her

[edgy barn]

I don't think neither WL nor GMS were doting

[oak dock]

The thing is, Zote was implied to be the third playable character

[bronze turret]

I love the way TC writes their themes and concepts, seriously. It's the kind of nuance that I enjoy! Not too simple that it feels spoon-fed, but not too complicated that you gotta read a whole encyclopedia to understand, either (I'm looking at you, Kingdom Hearts...)

[strong sail]

they elaborated on what this was later

it was a joke challenge mode where you'd die in one hit

at least i think tahts what they said on it

i know they brought it up at some point and said something along the lines of that

[oak dock]

Ah ok

though, Hornet was originally just going to be an alternate playable character...

[strong sail]

yeah

[oak dock]

not a full campaign

[fathom hill]

Honestly the amount of parallels that we can draw being intentional or not does paint on the idea that both works are complementary, maybe this will change as the game is expanded but I like it

[strong sail]

it's probably better that the zote goal never got funded honestly

it allowed silksong to exist as it does

the zote g||r||oal

[oak dock]

So Yeah, Zote will be in the third Hollow Knight game and he and Mister Mushroom wil make out passionately

[strong sail]

lord have mercy on my soul

[mossy root]

Tangentially related but Im REALLY hoping Hollow is in silksong or the dlc or even in a third game
Because I feel as if it’s incredibly important to conclude their story too
Silksong is honestly also about moving on and forging your own path snd I think its incredibly important for them to have that too

[strong sail]

lord have mercy on my groal?

[strong sail]

IVE BEEN SAYING THIS!!!

[oak dock]

Zote eats ass

[strong sail]

this is why im in support of that crackship with hollow and shakra
LET THAT GLORIOUS BASTARD HAVE A LIFE!!!

[fathom hill]

Hollow cant be playable since the map is too small for him

[stuck berry]

i do like that, it's like a book series where the lore and writing get more elaborate but they always tie back tk ideas presented in the first one

[fathom hill]

We oughta make a new game

[strong sail]

i wanna see hollow in a town looking happy

[mossy root]

Oh idt they’d be playable in a dlc but I do want them to appear

[strong sail]

call 'em holly

[stuck berry]

thk is my top candidate for third game protagonist even if i have no idea how that'd work gameplaywise

[mossy root]

My crackship is hollow and second sentinel BAAKBDDJF i have a vision okay

[strong sail]

okay wait no i see it

[fathom hill]

yeah the same themes of freedom and choice seem to only been expanded in silksong, tying it with the themes of motherhood

[oak dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA9JIEIYmTQ

[stuck berry]

i think it'd be nice if each of the main siblings got a game

[fathom hill]

Its a comfortable place to be in, I do like how tc did it

[mossy root]

2d shadow of the colossus /j
ALTHO ACTUALLY
Yk that one concept art of hollow knight with the GIANT bugs? I feel as if team cherry could make a game in the wastes and steel kingdom where the bugs are jjst like. Much bigger than them

[fathom hill]

Ok ok i hear you

[strong sail]

i had an idea a bit back of like

[stuck berry]

lmao remove the difficulty in making a playable big chaeacter by just. making everything else bigger

hell throw thk up against a human

[strong sail]

ghost fasttravelling us to the steel kingdom through the abyss so we can stop them from messing with void

i dont know if that would EVER actually happen

but it sounds very cool in my head trust me

[mossy root]

IVE DRAWN A COMIC WITH THEM ACTUALLY heh.

[strong sail]

Ooooooo

[orchid whale]

Guys, have we solved the lore

[oak dock]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-giant-finger-giant-wyzen-heavy-gif-7528376100897651399

[bronze turret]

Speaking of that, if Team Cherry is every going to tackle what's come of Hollow, something occurred to me when someone said the White Lady we see in Red Memory is actually her projecting herself ("wrest it from this remembrance" line). If she's mentally connecting to Hornet, that means she's alive, and if she's alive, then perhaps, and just perhaps, Hollow is with her.

[fathom hill]

ok so you are a professional crackshipper then lol

No need to seek validation here youve got it already

[mossy root]

Exactly
Just get bigger and bigger
Eventually we play as a giant wyrm in hollow knight 4

[oak dock]

Draw Mister Mushroom and Zote Kissing, please

[strong sail]

validate yourself

[fathom hill]

lace wouldnt do that

she prolly diving head first in the void after the ending

[strong sail]

memory fight against the wyrm version of the pale king

[mossy root]

See i gotta spread the word though

[bronze turret]

I can just imagine them in that sloppy kiss meme template! You know the one!

[orchid whale]

Memory date with Shakra

[strong sail]

ghost having to physically restrain lace from throwing herself into the abyss

[stuck berry]

sounds like bell eater but more massive in scope

[oak dock]

YES

[mossy root]

That would legitimately be so fucking fire i NEED to fight a giant wyrm
Or what if the blackwyrm

[strong sail]

bell eaters pull bells into their mouth
'til full of dinner yum

[stuck berry]

defeating the wyrm by weakening points on it's shell then going to thd core and striking at it's heart

[orchid whale]

Give us a Grindle boss fight

[strong sail]

getting kingsbrand if it was fucking awesome

[oak dock]

Third Hollow Knight game will be youi playing as Bell Beast

[stuck berry]

(it's a kart racing game)

[bronze turret]

Honestly, this is the #sk-lore channel that makes me happy: everyone discussing lore but also learning to change tune as people joke around with game-related memes!

[strong sail]

from what ive seen of this channel it's very conversational and i adore that

[oak dock]

BELL BEAST DRIFTING

[strong sail]

i love it here

[stuck berry]

bellbeast hitting the akira

https://tenor.com/view/akira-gif-10020115

[fathom hill]

it is nice when it gets like this

[strong sail]

say
i know a hostile encounter with the lord of shades probably won't happen

[bronze turret]

One hundred and twelve percent!

[strong sail]

but do you think ghost would be up to spar with hornet if given the chance

[fathom hill]

we are all friends right?

[stuck berry]

before silksong came out i remember #hk-lore being super stuck up when it came to lore discussions since we knew everything at that point and I'm glad we moved past that

[oak dock]

Yes, now draw Zote kissing Mister Mushroom and we will stay friends

[silk dirge]

ok but what if we discussed [REDACTED]

[mossy root]

Skong is just so fun to talk about AHAIDHFJ
Its narrative is so good but its also so. Silly like yeah okay hornet just cancels out lace’s ragebaiting

[fathom hill]

ugh fine

[strong sail]

lace taunting hornet in the citadel is so funny because she's done absolutely nothing to earn it and hornet calls her out on that

and then lace just dips

lace 1 was one of the only bosses i beat first try

[mossy root]

EXACTLY like Lace really thinks she’s aura farming 😭
Girl you are like. A white puffball

[bronze turret]

It's one of the main reason I had to steer away from that channel. I love the lore, but I can't stand the overly stern and rigid attitude towards lore discussion. Nobody is going to help people understand the lore by being dry and condescending, it only scares people away. I just hope we can make an effort so that ss-lore does not turn into another hk-lore channel

[stuck berry]

"well, you'll have to fight my mom, and she's super strong you can't even fathom"
"I've fought people more powerful than your mom"

[lethal burrow]

widow and the Weavers are also a parallel to seer in the moths

[fathom hill]

Someone said if its possible that hornet cringed at her cuz thats how she used to act, all mysterious

"did i really sound like that?"

[strong sail]

where's that image of lace having a hissy fit at hornet and saying she'll get her banned on steam

[fathom hill]

I can get behind that headcanon

[mossy root]

Thats so stupid I love that hc so much
Hornet you finally see how cringe you were 😭

[bronze turret]

Ah, Lace's "edgy anime character" body language suddenly makes sense... it's a deliberate parody!

[spark valve]

what do you mean by ability to leave pharloom

[fathom hill]

She really has grown lol

[bronze turret]

Ok that one is stunting me. What would be the parallels between the Weavers and Seer?

[stuck berry]

not much lore in the ability to go there you just can

[spark valve]

the nameless town is maybe where the bugs which would become the choir originated

[fathom hill]

holy shit is groal from undertale

[mossy root]

My hunch for silksong dlc is you end up leaving pharloom at some point
There are four exits for pharloom in-game
Surface, sands of karak, blasted steps and in the southeastern weaveneat

[mossy root]

I just feel like they’re gonna be significant in some way (other than ofc giving more context to how the weavers left pharloom)

[lethal burrow]

widow is the last of her race, and the only one still loyal to how her God once was who gives you the dream nail equivalent that lets you appear into the memories and dreams of others... just like seer

[fathom hill]

Yeah totally a parody, she was doing that ironically you see

[lethal burrow]

It's unclear how alive she actually is. I don't know if it's fair to say she's still alive.

[stuck berry]

you mean widow is the last weaver who is devout to gms right

there is 1.5 weavers alive

aside from her i mean

[spark valve]

there could be more part weavers out there

in pharloom it's just hornet and widow though

[buoyant oriole]

So with silksong true ending, what's the canon ending of silksong

[bronze turret]

(Unrelated to your comment, but I want you to know I know your avatar is that Maestro THK cardboard cutout!~~ Hollow My Beloved~~)

[buoyant oriole]

My friend is arguing that the god home ending is the canon one while I'm arguing dream no more

[bronze turret]

Ooooh ok I see it now!

[mossy root]

OH YEAH ITS EXACTLY THAT
THATS WHY IM USING IT CUZ THEYRE SO CUTE IN THE MAESTRO ARTWORK

[spark valve]

it's ambiguous between those two

[stuck berry]

no one really knows it's left vague

[lethal burrow]

People are having words with you, but I have to let you know. I agree that flower absolutely demolished the void.

[stuck berry]

the first second and fifth endings are branching timelines/whatif scenarios atp

[mossy root]

Its left vague on what ending’s canon but im leaning towards embrace the void primarily because its badass and means thk is alive
And I think the lord of shades flashing on screen is Very significant

[stuck berry]

it would still exist even with that ending, the fact that the knight lives outside of the flower is what kills it

[lethal burrow]

Embrace the void seems like the most likely answer

[shell mirage]

it had to be the godhome

[bronze turret]

YES! https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/1b/ab/de1babbb4ea9cfc5c6c840dea351145c.gif

[shell mirage]

thats the ONLY one where knight becaomes shade lord

[stuck berry]

void seahorse

[mossy root]

YES YES YESYEYSYEYSS DARK SOULS

[stuck berry]

eh the shade lord could be a thing outside of ETF

[bronze turret]

OMG DID WE JUST BOND OVER DARK SOULS!

[shell mirage]

how so? what evidence?

[stuck berry]

it was revealed to me in a dream

not me i haven't played 🥹

[fathom hill]

given we dont see thk as a shade, id say godhome flower, thk could be out there

[bronze turret]

I assure you, it's easier than Silksong 😂 (I'm not kidding, Silksong managed to be harder)

[fathom hill]

But also thk never had such a big relationship with hornet anyways, unlike the knight

[mossy root]

“Void given form”
Its purposefully left vague how it works but i feel as if its entirely possible that the lord of shades only exist because of how ghost ascended to godhood fully and ‘gave void form’

[shell mirage]

just because he defeated radiancem doesnt mean he is sahde lord

[stuck berry]

i still have to finish lies of p i put that off when the release date came out

[edgy nebula]

isnt the shade lord dialogue void given focus

[lethal burrow]

The elegy of the deep is literally the ashen mist heart It's so funny to me.

[mossy root]

Oh whoops havent double checked my lore bits

[fathom hill]

the flashing of the knight with the shade lord could imply that any of them are canon depending on what the player wants to believe, which seems to be on par with tc's previous philosophy on the endings dilemma in hk too

[stuck berry]

void given form was the regular shade of the knight no? the one wOk you got it

[random harbor]

Hall of Gods: Knight Radiant

Unlocked:
Void given focus.

@bobbittwyrm used /godhome category: Hall of Gods - Bottom row name: Knight Radiant

[mossy root]

Ahhh whoops got my lore wrong

[edgy nebula]

mottled skarr would solo shade lord ngl

[mossy root]

Void savage beastfly solos

[stuck berry]

who would win lord of the abyss or the guy who gives you a tool upgrade

[bronze turret]

Wait, what is that bot??

[lethal burrow]

He's a flea

[stuck berry]

it's to make looking for lore easier

[edgy nebula]

hallowscribe, press / and then click the bot and you can search up any dialogue from the game, its cool

[random harbor]

Hall of Gods: Flukemarm

Unlocked:
Alluring God of motherhood

Locked:
I lie within a maze of pipes

@catwithascarf used /godhome category: Hall of Gods - Bottom row name: Flukemarm

[bronze turret]

Oh my-- And I only heard of it now . This is super useful!

[lethal burrow]

neat

[fathom hill]

and a drunk

[random harbor]

Dream Nail: Deepnest - Nosk victim - "...Dearest..."

...Dearest...

@bobbittwyrm used /dream-nail area: Deepnest name: Nosk victim - "...Dearest..."

[lethal burrow]

lmao you joined five years ago

[fathom hill]

Drunk flea

[stuck berry]

is grishkin the annoying one who requires 4 flea juggles

[edgy nebula]

grishkin's a guy???

[bronze turret]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-fall-gif-19737042

AHAHA I know 😭

[fathom hill]

this is a strong argument though

well strong""

[edgy nebula]

well, varga has no stache

and he's a guy... i hope.....

[manic pewter]

Yknow i didnt realise mooshka had a moustache

[stuck berry]

grindle lacks a mustache

[manic pewter]

I thought that it was like closed eyes and the circles were eyebrows

[edgy nebula]

crust king khann has no mustache so can we really call him a king

[fathom hill]

hes no flea though

[edgy nebula]

i cant see mooshka without a mustache

varga

[fathom hill]

youre right

[bronze turret]

Question, but when you guys play your Needolin to Grishkin, do they start singing like the Forge Daughter?

[edgy nebula]

is varga the only silksong characte with a canonical man bun

[fathom hill]

could be

[stuck berry]

it'd be funny if he wasn't really a flea and just put a sack on his head

[manic pewter]

everyone sings with the needolin

[fathom hill]

he doesnt even need to do that since no one even questioned seth to stay with them

[bronze turret]

No no I know that, I meant like the actual voice acting for the singing is the same

[fathom hill]

the fleas probably wouldnt care either way lol

[manic pewter]

ohhh my bad

[stuck berry]

maybe he feels shameful

i wonder where the fleas go after they solve the void problem

[fathom hill]

that three too many silksong characters that have problems with self worth or identity

these depressed bugs smh my head

[edgy nebula]

seth is such a cool character

[lavish tangle]

elder Hu and Shakra

[stuck berry]

half the kingdoms in this world are filled with zombies I'd be like that too

[manic pewter]

my friend is struggling with seth atm and just said "why am i getting beat up by a kid with cancer"

[fathom hill]

me when the apocalypse cant stop the body dysmorphia

[stuck berry]

solid theory many people have said it no actual basis beyond looks though

[lavish tangle]

looks like her master, uses the same weapon as her

[stuck berry]

literally when i was thinking

[lavish tangle]

but yeah no solid evidence otherwise

[stuck berry]

and when i beat seth i thought damn i beat a kid with cancer

[edgy nebula]

i never had any complaints when fighting seth, hes one of those fights that is entirely fair

[fathom hill]

sounds perfectly androgynous to me

But if they have a voice actress i can believe it

They always struck me as male though idk why

maybe i was the sexist one all along

[stuck berry]

it never occured to me that doctor pepper could be a woman, Maybe I'm a bad person

[lavish tangle]

no I agree with you

[manic pewter]

Yeah seth and first sinner both are super fair and a good level of difficulty

[bronze turret]

I wouldn't know about fat because bug anatomy in this world is very diverse, but yeah Grishkin seems to be voice acted by the same person who does Forge Daughter (omg the singing is the same as the Forge Daughter as well. I wonder if Team Cherry knows, sounds like a misplaced track.)

[manic pewter]

when i get home ill dig through files to see if theres two different ones

[fathom hill]

being an voice actor for this game must be fun lol

I cant stop thinking about trobbios voice actor

[stuck berry]

the actress for shakra voices half the characters in this game including nuu which i think is neat

[fathom hill]

how is your last name trobbiani man

[manic pewter]

TRRRRRRRRROBIOOOOOOOOOO

[lavish tangle]

dude he is just screamming his IRL name

love that guy
TRRRRROBIOO

[fathom hill]

thats what im saying!

how do you get such opportunity

And people love it

[stuck berry]

what if his name was trumpio and instead of perfoming he tried to deport hornet snd the pilgrims

[fathom hill]

no way

[bronze turret]

I see the idea, but Sherma is a boy with a female voice actor, too, so it's safe to assume that voice pitch in the world Team Cherry has created is not an immediate indicator to sex or gender.

[fathom hill]

her range is impressive indeed

Shakras voice is so nice to listen to

[stuck berry]

i always thought it was because he's young like how every boy character is acted by an adult woman

[lavish tangle]

in my eyes sherma is a woman I am sorry I know they ain't but I always refer to him as a she on accident

[bronze turret]

He didn't come across as a kid to me, just a very altrustic, pious person

[lavish tangle]

he hasn't seen the wrongness in the world until act 2, he probably a kiddo being all pure like that

[stuck berry]

his naivete towards just about everything is what sells it for me

[fathom hill]

we really dont know if he is a kid giving how no character makes note of that

[lavish tangle]

ok but also he is oddly experienced in the world too

[stuck berry]

physically can't believe the citadel might have bad intentions and is uttersly traumatized in whiteward

[fathom hill]

while they do with hornet, which paints the apparent image of Hornet looking younger than sherma in universe

[lavish tangle]

like he knows where to find and how to use medicine

[stuck berry]

trying to open a gate with singing is he silly

[lavish tangle]

I mean it worked??

[bronze turret]

Shakra singing mentioned!!

🎶 Uuuuuuush karoooou
Uush karoooou
Kai lai lai lai laiiiiiii

Uuuuuuush karooooshkaaaa
Kai lai hai haiiiii

Nieeeeesh kareeei
Nieesh kareeeei
Kaaai lai lai laiiiii🎶

[stuck berry]

I'm sorry you're right

tryin to free the bell beast with singing is he silly

[fathom hill]

wait is this true

brb

does shakra refer to him like that

[lavish tangle]

it also worked, he prays by singing and god sends you there to fix it (god is the game devs sherma exists in the real world)

[stuck berry]

do you think if shakra joined the lakers she'd call him lebron wielding ball

[fathom hill]

Ah ok sorry

[lavish tangle]

master wielding ball

[stuck berry]

master

their kind was not much one for sentimentality

[zinc pivot]

Master must be a steel ball user

[lavish tangle]

why was it called steel soul and not like steel silk or smthn like silken steel

[zinc pivot]

It was originally meant to be called silk soul or sth

[lavish tangle]

also the song you play on the needolin better be called the silk song (we saw the other weavers play it too)

[stuck berry]

it has steel characters exclusive to that mode

[lavish tangle]

yeah but why soul why not silk

[stuck berry]

no that was a different hard mode, like harder enemies and bosses

[fathom hill]

I do love how in the end shakra refers to hornet as hornet wielding needle

[stuck berry]

idk they probably wanting consistency in the naming scheme

[lavish tangle]

child no more

[fathom hill]

me when cursed child

i know what you are

[bronze turret]

Oh, you guys are referring to the balls around her neck, right? That's actually a mala! It's a red bead necklace from buddhism

[lavish tangle]

oh

[stuck berry]

master wielding mala

[lavish tangle]

wait

elder wielding Chakram

wait

shakra wielding Chakram

[stuck berry]

how can i tell shakra that i met the ghost of a man who she may or may not have met and he sucks so much

[lavish tangle]

well hornet hasn't soo

[zinc pivot]

Elder wielding Pancake

[bronze turret]

Also, the rings Shakra uses are inspired by the Ziranmen rings, they're used in some chinese martial arts.

[lavish tangle]

and they are her namesake too

[fathom hill]

probably not have met, elder hu lived way before shakras time

[stuck berry]

like the idea of shakra coming from an east asian inspired fantasy kingdom

[lavish tangle]

he died around when hornet was born

[lavish tangle]

any other characters? we have her master Hu and her mom/master

[lethal burrow]

who?

[stuck berry]

post the other two panels

[tiny socket]

That can’t be the right size

[stuck berry]

yes that's right

[bronze turret]

There are a lot of visual inspirations from east asia in Silksong really, including Sherma's hat!

[stuck berry]

we will meet them in hollow knight 3 trust

[zinc pivot]

Shakra got some funny older sister vibe with ghost

[lavish tangle]

better, hollow knight 3 follows shakra going back to her land and we meet all of them

[fathom hill]

yeah

[stuck berry]

unrelated but when sherma inherits the caretaker's cloak he wears his hat inside it that's why the weird shape

[bronze turret]

LOL

[tiny socket]

Where did Sherma get a cymbal if he came from outside

[bronze turret]

Yeah I figured! It looked quite nice on him!

[lavish tangle]

get in trouble outside see what happens

probably off a corpse near the wanderer's chapel

[tiny socket]

Bells clearly don’t exist outside, so Sherma must be the mastermind behind the citadel

[lavish tangle]

or he is so pure he was born with it because god loved him very much

...

sherma is from shakra's land

[bronze turret]

Ah, sorry

[lavish tangle]

(I made this up 100%)

[zinc pivot]

His cone hat is a cymbal though

[stuck berry]

where exactly did the pilgrims come from? we don't see any exists from moss grotto and they can't have come all the way down from blasted steps

[fathom hill]

being that he is the most sinful out of all of them he prolly stole it

[lavish tangle]

they are pilgrims, litterally all around the world

[stuck berry]

but how did they get to bonebottom is the question

[lavish tangle]

gn groal please stay in bilewater

[zinc pivot]

Sorry groal a beastfly took over

[bronze turret]

They come from all sorts of places, wherever word of Pharloom has reached somehow

[tiny socket]

The power of 3D space?

[lavish tangle]

climbed a wall or two over the chapel

[muted lantern]

considering they are effected by the silk it's presumably they are all descended from the citadel

[fathom hill]

byebye

[tiny socket]

The real question is how they get past far fields into greymoor

[eternal sigil]

• two lanky killing machines who seem to be newly/poorly adapted to this whole "being a person" thing

the kabbalah works, there is potential in this one

[lavish tangle]

as in born in the citadel then left??

[stuck berry]

could it be they specifically travel down to bonebottom just to do a pilgrimage

[stuck berry]

seamstress is a shrewd businesswoman

[zinc pivot]

Why tf would they do it just to end up in
Underworks

[lavish tangle]

we know the blasted steps enemies treat sherma well

[stuck berry]

promises of like holiness or something

[eternal sigil]

also regarding Zote a fun idea I heard a while ago was a roguelike game or game-mode wherein you play as Zote, and the extreme mortality was leaned into the concept of roguelike gameplay

[wispy zenith]

they all got the needolin and fought phantom to skip it

[tiny socket]

There’s floor in the way when hornet goes up

[muted lantern]

as in their ancestry traces back to the citadel, the pilgrims are vulnerable to the haunting because they have silk in their shells passed down since the whiteward experiments that makes them easy to haunt. could be a distant relationship, or something like eggs are laid below the citadel and the pilgrims have to make the climb as they grow

[lean thistle]

is the knight from dnm/etv the reason hornet doesnt get destroyed in the ending?

[stuck berry]

the pilgrims are cruel and they close the floor behind them so they can be the first

[eternal sigil]

upgrade your shitty scrimblo Zote using items

[muted lantern]

she would have presumably died without the knights intervention

[stuck berry]

yeah it loved it's sister so it carried them to safety

[lavish tangle]

we know the blasted steps enemies treat sherma well
and we know playing the needolin makes enemies stop attacking
maybe the pilgrims get to the citadel by singing the whole way through, we saw some pilgrims who don't sing much die during the ascent
this could be why music is sacred to the pilgrims

[bronze turret]

I wish Team Cherry would release an Artbook for Hollow Knight and Silksong with tons of footnotes on the inspirations, references and themes that they take after!

[muted lantern]

i need one of those level 1 crook vs level 100 boss images but it's zote and gpz

[stuck berry]

if i had the money i'd buy the hell out of that

[fathom hill]

sherma behind hearing all the lore shit

[eternal sigil]

would smith one of these myself but I lack my puter right now 😔

[lavish tangle]

no sherma is respectfull he doesn't eavesdrop

[fathom hill]

he is literally looking our direction

[muted lantern]

sherma has one brain cell pinging back and fourth in his shell

[fathom hill]

sweet guy

[lavish tangle]

yeah but his ears are closed because he is a good boy

[stuck berry]

when it hits the corner it forms a coherent thought

[bronze turret]

Oh he is looking in our direction, but his mind is elsewhere!

[fathom hill]

also this always struck me as generational sin

like how the silk seems to be sin too apparently

[lavish tangle]

ok but we know he understands the wisdom of the sentinels (or wtvr they are called in blasted steps)

[bronze turret]

🎶 *Fari du la si ma net
Doni puá na vori net
Bina so mi ma ni set
Daina fon siu looooo bon! *🎶

[lavish tangle]

sin is a construct made by higher beings, anything the silk does is inherrently holy no matter how wrong it is

I reread your message I am blind, think of it like sermon but if it was bad

[fathom hill]

the thought that we are all born with sin and we got to repent, could be that the pilgrimage is also fueled by those ideas?

[fathom hill]

good guy

[lavish tangle]

or maybe it is more of a rite of the religion

[molten parcel]

Shades lord on silksong confirms EtV ending is canon since
Shades lord existence was caused because of godhome Nature of bringing things to their maximum potential, such as absolute Radiance, SO when knight ascended to the fifth pantheon and defeated Absolute Radiance it reached maximum potential giving form to the void creating the shades lord with the power of other shades

[stuck berry]

i like how no one can decide how to spell these

[lavish tangle]

we need to find the sheet the devs gave to the voice actors to confirm the spellings

[fathom hill]

tc must have the lyrics in a napkin somewhere im sure

[molten parcel]

[graceful grail]

Speeking of napkins, i just noticed this guys napkin is one of the choir masks. He probably eats them…

[molten parcel]

What is that Even supossed to be

What bug

[fathom hill]

yeah whats the matter with that guy

is he supposed to be the stereotype of the big fat rich guy

[graceful grail]

At least he has some manners for his brutish look

[molten parcel]

Pretty sure that thing is cannibal

[fathom hill]

he literally spits everywhere, manners he doesnt have

[graceful grail]

He could be a rly big Ladybug

[molten parcel]

That meat we brought is never said where it comes from

Where the hell they got that

[fathom hill]

grubs

[molten parcel]

Dear god

[stuck berry]

lmao i never noticed that's great

[limber anvil]

Ok the worst duo boss idea possible... savage beastfly and craggler

[cobalt coyote]

Two pairs of cogwork dancers all out of sync

[limber anvil]

You dont get my joke... put the craggler in the beast temple... there is minuons horizontal beastfly dealing double damage and a craggler spewing posion half the time dealing double damage with 0 cover in a tiny room

Or to make it even worse add the craggler to the lava beastfly

Now you have to worry about lava

Orange

[cobalt coyote]

I think Orange does it faster

[limber anvil]

Probably

[cobalt coyote]

Brown infection

[limber anvil]

Just because your lifeblood infected what makes you think you cant get your dreams infected also giving you zists

[lethal burrow]

what's the lore of phantom

[scenic stirrup]

Do u think hornet could ask yarnaby to have the plasmium gland put inside of her lol

[fathom hill]

hornet wouldn't

[scenic stirrup]

But yarnaby could tho right

[fathom hill]

yarnaby idk if she is that kind of doctor

[scenic stirrup]

Feel like he'd be important if we ever get a lifeblood dlc

[fathom hill]

i think yarnaby does have some dialogue regarding lifeblood no?

[scenic stirrup]

Ye she said i dont care lifeblood is cool go away

If u go to her while overdosed

[lavish tangle]

grey mourner -> grey moor? (0 evidence only names similar ish)

[scenic stirrup]

What even type of bug is her

[lethal burrow]

what's the lore of phantom

[fathom hill]

failed attempt at making Lace

[lethal burrow]

fail how

[fathom hill]

abandoned for something to wither in the organ

[lethal burrow]

why

[fathom hill]

she is built different

[scenic stirrup]

Feel like lifeblood functions on some higher being supremacist type beat. If ur a higher being u can use it freely. if u arent u will get cooked

[fathom hill]

we don't know, she could have been defective/incomplete, she could have defied gms

there's not that much lore abt her other than her and lace are sisters

And that phantom is described at being frail which could turn towards the idea of her being defective

[lethal burrow]

maybe she manifested during the time of Weavers and sided with them? Or they were the ones that put her there in the organ?

I can't understand what would be wrong with her that grandmother silk wouldn't like

[scenic stirrup]

I personally think shes an incomplete version of lace bc of her needolin dialogue bc she sings abt being abaondoned

[fathom hill]

But that could also be because of age

[lethal burrow]

lace is also described as frail

[scenic stirrup]

Does the lost lace fight nake her seem like shes frail to u 💀

[lethal burrow]

counterpoint: void makes things Taky as hell

[scenic stirrup]

Watch ur hp disappear within 4 seconds

[raw pewter]

I mean, even the second fight with Lace is tough

[scenic stirrup]

Maybe shes frail in higher being standards

[lethal burrow]

nuh uh https://youtu.be/oE7CYEiQGlY?si=rGimfagb5_ThV3BM

[fathom hill]

goty

[raw pewter]

Change the "Get infected with Deadly Parasite" to "Getting impregnated by a plant"

And also got an abortion

Also killing babies

The flies and the baby judges

Of course she is! Because we love her, we absolve of all her crimes

[fathom hill]

Don't think so, there's a good chance Lace and Phantom were made after the betrayal of the weavers, and the needolin seems to point to a more personal matter with gms

[quick geyser]

I think this is the case? Especially with the unraveled silkheart sequence

[idle linden]

Just beat Melania, damn Silksong is hard

[raw pewter]

Technically Lace and Phantom aren't related to Hornet, since Grand Mother Silk didn't birth the Weavers but instead ascend them into Weavers

[idle linden]

Are we allowed to say things with spoilers here

[raw pewter]

Yes

[fathom hill]

Maybe she made two children realized she wanted an only child and abandoned one of them like that

[quick geyser]

All spoilers are allowed

[idle linden]

Today I progressed from last judge to the clockwork dancers and beat them 🎉🎉

[quick geyser]

#sk-discussion you should talk in there

[idle linden]

Oh lol that’s where I thought I was I guess I mislicked and went to lore instead

[fathom hill]

I wonder if there is some phantom of the opera reference that could explain that outside of the mere reference

But i have no idea of it so

I play videogames man

[lethal burrow]

They were definitely made after the betrayal that's why I suggested it..

And I don't know what you mean about the needle thing either

[fathom hill]

the second reference

[arctic patrol]

Tbh I think that Phantom is dying in the first place because she refuses to serve GMS openly hence she's starved for silk, her wraits literally consume your silk upon contact because she needs it

[tacit bridge]

Does it strike anyone as odd that theres a lore statue labelled "void given form" in the abyss? Unless im misunderstanding does that mean that the events of hallownest and pharloom were prophesied by the weavers?

[craggy smelt]

that's referring to the rune giving the entry on the Void Tendrils. A similar thing could be found in Hallownest, an 'imprint of abyss given form'
it's got nothing to do with the Knight and their Void Given Form state specifically, they're just both examples of Void taking on a form, as opposed to its default formless state

[muted lantern]

oh wait, even the non hornet section of hunters journal calls phantom they? and that section is generally pretty much just an omniscient narrator. I suppose that supports the phantom going by they camp. id have to re check, but generally that section of the hunters journal entries are accurate with the gender of characters, even when hornet isnt, please correct me if im wrong tho, havent read through them all in a bit.

[fathom hill]

yeap they seem to go by they/them

[faint kite]

I haven’t looked back at the abyss in hollow knight yet but the architecture seems similar, does this imply the weavers were the abyss civilisation or at least the same civilisation spans under both kingdoms?

[muted lantern]

It's more likely the weavers built on top of ancient civilization architecture

[fathom hill]

Though i also remember something about both being referred to as sisters but it seems I'm misremembering, it is not clear who is the one talking in the needolin dialogue

[livid ice]

guys is tiso from pharloom

[fathom hill]

I'm certain it is from phantoms persoective though, they calling lace their sister and not the other way around

[toxic mulch]

My guess is many of the kingdoms in the hk universe are built upon old void kingdoms

[livid ice]

think about it

[muted lantern]

Don't think there's any evidence of it

[livid ice]

his shield is a shell

[livid ice]

and the only shell in hallownest is baldur right?

[toxic mulch]

No

[muted lantern]

There's like a lot of shell shields in hallownest

[toxic mulch]

Shells are everywhere in both games

[hushed viper]

do you think hallownest is more advanced than pharloom? I mean yes it might sound dumb since Pharloom has literal machines (or to be specific, metal molds filled with souls of people), but not only does Hallownest also have machines but they're also found a way to quite literally extract soul itself as opposed to pharloom that needed a medium (which was silk)

[muted lantern]

Also pharloom shields are brass

Look at seth

[livid ice]

silksong economy is cooked

[toxic mulch]

I'd say pharloom is more technologically advanced whereas hallownest is spiritually advanced

[livid ice]

hallownest got good pay and even transport

bell beast doesnt count cause its for hornet

[hushed viper]

technically speaking, hallownest ALSO have advanced "machines" since if pharloom is advanced for making machines which are metal bodies with a soul, that would also work for hallownest since they too have metal bodies filled with "soul" (void)

[toxic mulch]

Well there had to have been a previous travel system as places like bellhart already have dedicated bellways

[hushed viper]

albeit hallownest used it mainly for like the hierarchs but still

[hushed viper]

you say that like there isn't a Great Bellway with an actual big platform that's meant to hold many people

[muted lantern]

Hey so is the citadel built into the mountain or is it something that will collapse if it's not maintained

[toxic mulch]

The citadel to me seems like a huge building with a ton of interconnected pieces but idk

[hushed viper]

i mean the citadel is connected to the ceiling

and supported by many bridges connected to the cavern's walls

[livid ice]

aw true

[toxic mulch]

It's probably built into the walls

With silksong being a 2d game we don't really know if the citadel is firmly planted into a wall or more freestanding

[hushed viper]

pretty sure it's free standing

there;s alot of bridges similiar to the ones you can walk on (like the one conntecting the citadel to the slab, or the one near memorium connecting to the ducts) that you can see in the bg

[toxic mulch]

That was what I assumed

[hushed viper]

tho tbf that could mean the citadel is WIDE to the back

and possibly wide enough to touch and to be built into the wall of the cave

[toxic mulch]

I do wonder if it was all just built up on top of itself or if it's all connected to some central pillar or something

How I wish we could have a full 3d map of pharloom

[hushed viper]

pretty sure the central pillar is the architech's thing with the cogwork core

i dont see why it would be anything but that since that seemed important

tbf it's called the Core afterall so it would be weird to not put it in the core of the citadel

speaking of citadel, there's one thing i dont like ab Silksong is how downplayed the Citadel is after you reach Act 2, cuz before that, with all the pilgrims and everything saying it's a holy place and all, you'd think the citadel is heaven but after act 2 almost every npc you speak to are like "Oh yea the citadel, been there seen that, kinda boring ngl :/"

I mean i get that's the point since the citadel is not that much better than the journey it took to get there but yea

[toxic mulch]

I mean the point is the citadel is a huge lie

[hushed viper]

yea

[craggy smelt]

when you banish Silk, bits immediately falling away from it
kind've gave me the impression that she might've been holding elements of it togther

[hushed viper]

also i remember someone saying that

the people in the underworks are pilgrims that managed to reach the citaddel

but the desc for the white cloaks for the quest says they're bestowed to pilgrims that reached the citadel

[craggy smelt]

that's probably what actual heaven is like
"it's fine. there's a shortage of chairs."

[toxic mulch]

Maybe but they seem more like the citadels working class than pilgrims

[hushed viper]

ofc that might be a lie cuz the quest is made by the people from the citadel and from all they know all members of the citadels were once pilgrims

[toxic mulch]

Smh if I don't get a comfy ass chair I'ma be really annoyed

[hushed viper]

so the desc of the item follows what they believe

[craggy smelt]

they probably split up the pilgrims on arrival and send them wherever the citadel needs them
Underworkers are kept labouring with the burden of imagined sins and the promise of eventually redemption

[hushed viper]

that reminds me

[craggy smelt]

I don't know what purpose the choral bugs might serve... maybe labour for other parts

[hushed viper]

someone said that the elevator in the grand gate doesn't actually lead anywhere

as in it goes down to the underworks, but if you go up it doesnt lead anywhere which means that every pilgrims that reached there are destined to end up to the underworks

[raven condor]

Are these all of the kingdoms we know about in the world of hollowknight?
kingdom of the White Wyrm. (Hallownest)
City of Steel. (Steel Soul Masters land?)
Sandsea Wastes. (Karak?)
Black Barrens. (Battle of the Black Wyrm?)
City of Song. (Pharloom)
Land of Storms. (Godseekers land)

[hushed viper]

but idk if that's true cuz i haven't checked

[raven condor]

Seems reasonable

[atomic dirge]

So how do you even become part of the choir

[hushed viper]

theres tons more cages in the bg of the cradle all of which were prob used to transport weavers from other places so there's prob more\

[hushed viper]

have parents that were from the choir

[raven condor]

Oh there are def more, I just wonder of the known ones

[atomic dirge]

The hunter notes seem to imply the choir bugs were pilgrims so

[hushed viper]

there's also the kingdom in the sands of karak, and maybe the ants? (technically it's a tribe like the mantis'), there's also the hive

[atomic dirge]

Ill assume the grand gate elevator goes past the rooms ceiling and we just dont get to see it

[hushed viper]

does deepnest count as a kingdom? it's independent from hallownest and has a queen

[lethal burrow]

idk there are the pilgrims in the citadel and the big scales at the gate

[atomic dirge]

I think blackwyrm is. just a place

Like Battle of Blackwyrm like youd say "battle of (location)"

[craggy smelt]

we don't know if the Blackbarrens has anything to do with the Blackwyrm
I mean... I get that the names are the same and I'd be prepared to believe it... but there's no real evidence yet

[raven condor]

I think we count those in with Pharloom. I’m talking kingdoms that stretch beyond the howling cliffs or blasted steps.

[ebon silo]

u mean the kingdom of the pale wyrm

[raven condor]

I used what it said on the commandment

[hushed viper]

yea pretty sure that's all of them then

[raven condor]

Definitely no real evidence, but I’m just trying to make connections here lol

[hushed viper]

do you guys think humans exist in HK verse

[atomic dirge]

nah

Everything is a bug or bug adjacent

[craggy smelt]

I want to believe

[atomic dirge]

Even the fucking birds

[hushed viper]

bug or bug adjacent so far

[atomic dirge]

Like. They made crow bugs

[raven condor]

Also do we think Grimms tent is a map of the dream realm, or the actual kingdoms?

[lethal burrow]

not in any normal form.

maybe weird giant walkers beyond the clouds or something that are vaguely vaguely humanoid

[hushed viper]

yea that seems right

what can you even do in the choral chambers as a pilgrim

like do you just do choirs for fun

[craggy smelt]

they'd better also be bugs...

[hushed viper]

when twin speaking during the daily choirs so you hit the with the

[lethal burrow]

They're saving a dragonfly for being awesome.

[hushed viper]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-15699071694512129415

[lethal burrow]

Cause you know, they're gonna make it a dragon

[atomic dirge]

god please

[craggy smelt]

Grimm's orrery-thing probably pin-points kingdoms in the waking world - that's what he's interested in
but the paths to them might represent dream traveling - his grimmsteeds mention 'roads between' that are 'long and dark'

which is interesting, considering how from our perspective, the Troupe seems to appear and disappear instantly...

and dreamgate warping also appears instant

[atomic dirge]

Dreams are like the hyperbolic time chamber send post

[raven condor]

Gotta think that the size of the red dot corresponds to the amount of flame each dying kingdom holds

[craggy smelt]

hmmm... maybe the Knight only appears to be traveling instantly for gameplay purposes, but actually the travel through dreams takes time from their perspective

[hushed viper]

do yo think the grimm troupe is gonna appear i a dlc for act 3 cuz pharloom DEF is hitting the dying kingdom mark

[toxic mulch]

It'd make some sense lore wise but I kinda hope team cherry doesn't do that

I want fresh new dlc instead of seeing Grimm again

[craggy smelt]

yeah, same
I don't think Pharloom is proper dead yet, and I'd rather have Steel DLC

[toxic mulch]

They're kinda obligated to do the steel assassin dlc as Sharpe is a backer character

[atomic dirge]

counterpoint itd be really funny to see Trobbio tilted out of his goddamn mind that someone is upstaging him /hj

[hushed viper]

silksong dlc 1: The Grimmer Trouppe

[raven condor]

I think it’s funny that the bugs that captured hornet very likely traveled through kingdoms edge to get there. Primal aspids likely took out 7 choristers, 3 envoys and 6 reeds

[lethal burrow]

The grimm troop does not appear to dying kingdoms. They appear to ones that are already dead.

They come to pluck the death nail from the coffin after the corpse is buried

[atomic dirge]

Who do you think the bellbearers learned from

[toxic mulch]

My predictions for dlc are further dream sequences with much more emphasis on exploring the prime of pharloom,something to do with lifeblood as that's a loose end,silksongs version of godhome for buss rushes and refights,steel assassins

[lethal burrow]

Lifeblood themed godhome with a weird little Godseeker room that you need to do bindings to get in.

[toxic mulch]

[lethal burrow]

Flip the table

[hushed viper]

this always confuses me ngl, pharloom has some powerfull enemies like the big brass guys and even grand reeds and yet they're only sending out small groups of like the bare minimums to capture what could possibly be decendants of god

[toxic mulch]

I must admit...I never got past p3

[raven condor]

God please give us a boss rush. I pray that it happens. Please 🙏

[hushed viper]

is grand mother silk stupid

[atomic dirge]

Another proof that hornet isnt weaker than TK but Pharloom just got hands

[toxic mulch]

Just a way to refight cogwork dancers indefinitely 🙏

[atomic dirge]

(joke)

[raven condor]

It works lol. Death is sin. They likely don’t want to risk the life of a Grand Reed, as it seems like citadel can’t replace its parts as well as it used to

[toxic mulch]

Well most of the enemies in hallownest are dead husks a lot of pharlooms enemies are living bugs with a will to fight

[hushed viper]

it woud be funny if there were a mod that makes hornet playable in hallownest and vice versa, the hornet boss in hallownest is replaced with lace

[toxic mulch]

You'd have to completely resize hallownest as hornet is too tall

[atomic dirge]

spider where the fuck am i

[toxic mulch]

It would be funny tho

Imagine hornet just wakes up in hallownest and has a whole "I'm back in the fucking building again!" Moment

[hushed viper]

"Spider i knew you were trying to run away but i won't let you go that easy har har har"

[raven condor]

Gotta think after the collapse of the citadel in act 3 that bilewater likely takes over a huge chunk of the map lol

[hushed viper]

actually

i think the ants would take over the most

if not the ants then the crows

[raven condor]

Nah, and Queen is dead. They bout to be hit with a recession

[hushed viper]

yea but groal the STUPID is also dead

[raven condor]

Crows. They could do it.

[raven condor]

He just seemed like a beefy boi. He doesn’t sustain bilewater alone

He def helped kill mofos, but the hate wasn’t all him

[hushed viper]

yea but he didn't gain the title "the great" on his own

he prob got it cuz he killed the snail shaman

[toxic mulch]

If any of the civilizations flourish after pharloom is safe again it'll be the ants

[raven condor]

Rolls of the tongue better than groal the can shoot fireballs out of his mouth

[hushed viper]

if the sands of karak kingdom wasn't dead it WOULD'VE been them cuz even shakra herself said in it's prime it could've been an equal to pharloom

[toxic mulch]

They just ran out of water in the 7 years of silksong development 😔

[raven condor]

You know what. Fuck it. Karak is making a full comeback, it’s talked about in the sands of Karak that water will return.

[toxic mulch]

I'd love a dlc where hornet works to restore some of pharlooms lost biomes

[atomic dirge]

Oh huh

[raven condor]

She used too much fertilizer. Now moss grotto takes up 2/3 of the map.

[toxic mulch]

Moss grotto takes over and every boss is just moss mother

[hushed viper]

savage mossfly

[raven condor]

Can’t wait for triple moss mother boss fight

[toxic mulch]

Nah but I'd genuinely enjoy having hornet work with a group of NPCs to restore parts of verdania,karak etc

[raven condor]

It would be quite nice

[atomic dirge]

Wheres this stated btw

[toxic mulch]

You enter a room and hear a loud roar,all of a sudden grand mother moss

[raven condor]

One thing the sands of Karak is missing is a unique NPC

[hushed viper]

makes sense since y'know they're all dead

[raven condor]

Lore tablets, and in the grey memento you get from killing watcher at the edge.

[toxic mulch]

Grey memento? Grey prince? ZOTEBOAT DLC?!

[raven condor]

“...Watch...Remember...Till time... Life anew...”

“Coral sways,
Clear water flows,
Upon our river free of time.”

[hollow hull]

City of Steel DLC please

[flint wadi]

it wouldnt regrow to a coral gorge level though, its so much easier to just have a memory location (but more expansive than lost verdania obv)

[low obsidian]

Is there any more lore regarding why certain bugs aren't affected by the haunting other than the general idea that they simply might not have the Silk Genes

[raven condor]

I’m not saying gameplay wise. This is a hypothetical follow up to Silksong. Which kingdom takes the citadels place

[craggy smelt]

Verdania will rise again~!

[raven condor]

Real

This update has now allowed me to feel much better about randomly killing a sad gay guy after already collecting the three necessary hearts

[low obsidian]

In before we get a new needolin song that sends us to the future instead and we get to fight the Green Princesses

[atomic dirge]

Mr. Crawfather i clearly only did it for the health of Verdania

[buoyant epoch]

any connection between mount fay bigbird and the radiance?

[raven condor]

Nah, one a fayforn, the other beeg moff

[buoyant epoch]

i see

the whole weaver communion thing feels like it hints at it being a little greater than it seems

[craggy smelt]

this is interesting
I was thinking about karmelita and whether another queen could rise
irl in some ant colonies that lose a queen, female workers will lay eggs that produce males or female clones
it's not as good as a true queen pumping out eggs, but it sort've keeps the place going

[buoyant epoch]

when it also yells it has a bit of the radiance motif and also does away with the cold right?
it def feels like it may be a higher being

or atleast just stronk

[raven condor]

Actually don’t think the ants will make a comeback. The gilly dialogue after karmelita is killed hints that it will take a LONG time for life to return to the area.

[toxic mulch]

Judging by the fact it's implied there are more than 1 idk if it'd be a higher being

[buoyant epoch]

i see...

must just be able to control the cold

[toxic mulch]

Maybe kinda a demigod style thing like the weavers?

[buoyant epoch]

yeah

[craggy smelt]

yeah, but now I'm thinking about that trivia I learned about irl colonies
the skarr won't be as powerful without a true queen like Karmelita, but they might still hang on and reproduce in less effective ways
reduced in power, but not necessarily doomed to eventual extinction

(also I've been thinking of the skarr as male aside from Karmelita, but most if not all of the ones we see are probably female if irl ants are anything to go by)
Gurr's a dude, at least

[atomic dirge]

I dont remember now, do the karaka in coral tower crumble after Khann does

[timber pond]

no

[oak dock]

Hollow Knight 3 should have a boss fight against a human hand

https://tenor.com/view/fun-puppet-hand-gif-17435008

That talks like this

[craggy smelt]

I would hate that

but also, it would be incredible

[weak copper]

the reveal that the HK world is actually super tiny, like with real life bugs 😮

[craggy smelt]

its actually the reverse - the bugs are colossal in size
our entire world is under a rock in one of their backyards

[weak copper]

So how would you explain the human hand then? 🤔

[raven condor]

Obviously the hand is larger than the humans as well

[weak copper]

That turns out to be the creator of humanity

[raven condor]

God is just a hand with lipstick and googly eyes confirmed

[oak dock]

Man puts hand into a hole where a higher being resides, and it obtains sentience for a glorious moment that for those within lasts for days

[muted lantern]

These are lore relevant

[fallow spindle]

im not sure why dream no more is also part of the ambiguity of silksongs ending, HK is not present in the group of shades and the shade lord appeared for a split second too

tbh the hollow knight could probably just build void legos somewhere else or something

doing its own thing

[weak copper]

The Knight appears in his Void given Focus appearance, which only appears in the Dreams no More ending, so that's why. I'll say it's a good call, since we know of the reputation of Pantheon 5

[fallow spindle]

maybe since the group didn't really have a singular thing to focus on they dispersed back to being multiple forms

but hey it still sorta works although more stretches need to be made like the hollow knight going somewhere else and maybe the shadelord just appearing for a second due to everyone being focused on saving horjet

the delicate flower ending makes most sense to me lol

thematically it fits the best for me in silksongs everbloom being involved

[weak copper]

Trueee but on the other hand, the everbloom in that ending seemingly erased the Void Lord from existence in that ending. My ending of choice is Dreams no More in terms of favorite.

[fallow spindle]

some people did say the shade we saw might just be the hollow knight too leaving extra ambiguity that THK grew back to its smaller form since it didnt have to be large anymore

[mossy root]

I personally think EtV seems the most canon primarily cuz of the shade lord showing up
Idt they’d flash that on screen if they wanted it to fully just be dream no more and all
But then again ambiguity and all

[weak copper]

You mean the Knight?

[open dragon]

Would Lace be classified as a princess of Pharloom or is she just like...GMS' knight? Or both? Idk lol

[fallow spindle]

yeah either it would be the knight or Thk, since the horns look similar to THK's more thornlike formation

it leaves extra ambiguity

[weak copper]

Yep, if they made the godhome endings canon then that means most players would be locked out since that's the ending only the best of the best could get

[mossy root]

The knight’s horns in their form in dream no more look similar to pv’s horns tho so its most likely just the knight and thk is off doing smthn else entirely

[low obsidian]

It's a very "the ambiguity is the point" kinda thing

[fallow spindle]

like building void legos

[vague whale]

Depends on who's classifying and why, I would say overall yes she is but like, to the Conductors she wouldn't have been valid, most likely

[weak copper]

Plus we're going by the assumption that the Void Lord can only be formed/come into being via one way and not by other methods

[mossy root]

Still Im sincerely hoping thk appears in silksong’s dlc somehow
Or in a third game
Because I feel as if ALL that buildup of etv’s ending only for it to have no payoff seems very unsatisfying

[weak copper]

It screams "Stay tuned for free dlc!" or "We'll see you in the third and final game of our trilogy!"

[low obsidian]

For all we know they're gonna drop a major bomb in the free dlc that somehow explains how Sealed Sibling could still lead to this

[weak copper]

That last sentence would give some benefit for the DnM peeps since they don't need to worry about that

[mossy root]

Thats true altho a ton of other fans would be left wanting more

[timber pond]

The masters are actually a Human Hand. Its actually ari gibson

[mossy root]

I for one would love to see thk again (if that wasn’t obvious from them being in my pfp)

[vague whale]

I also want to see THK

[weak copper]

Same, but not as a playable character, we've seen enough of the Knight and Hornet as fighters

[timber pond]

Embrace the void cooler because it leaves the Possibility of Seeing The Hollow Knight again.

[low obsidian]

I sincerely wanna see a future where we get Zote protagonist. Like, How.

[vague whale]

Straight up the only playable character I would accept other than THK right now is Zote, and I'm 100% serious on that

[mossy root]

I just want them to return in some way in all honesty
Especially considering skong’s narrative of forging your own path/healing from the past and that working for hollow’s character too

[timber pond]

I think Seth Would be pretty Cool and fitting with what we see hapen to him in game

[weak copper]

That's the only immediate choice that comes to mind. I can only think of one other like Seth

[vague whale]

there's a bunch of reasons other people have said for why Seth isn't a good option, and I am not going to say them better than they have

[weak copper]

Really don't know how to feel about Zote since he's a literal joke character and in order to have him be playable then he'd have to be massively changed

[timber pond]

Idk, he has a new apreciation for the world and explores around, Hes practically a blank slate you could put any new story on, so while he wouldnt be the most interesting, He Is still not a bad option.

[low obsidian]

That's kinda why I wanna see a genuine take on it

[vague whale]

No though, because can you imagine an entire Team Cherry game built around the fact that you can't damage anything?

[untold obsidian]

What if we just had a brand new protagonist and the third game took place in the city of steel

[vague whale]

If they wanted to do it, they would do it so well

[mossy root]

Zote puzzle game where you have to find convoluted ways to kill enemies because you cant hurt them

[low obsidian]

Wait it's fire

[vague whale]

exactly, yeah

[mossy root]

Unironically would love that as a small spinoff between skong dlcs and whatever the third game will be

And its a good way to handle a joke character like him

[vague whale]

I would love that as a full third game

[low obsidian]

If we do get a third game I personally hope the setup is a third kingdom that's in the middle of its creation (it's fucked from the beginning)

[vague whale]

If Team Cherry wants to make Zoteboat, they would do it extremely well, mechanically and story-wise

[weak copper]

Gives them a chance to use the cut areas

[low obsidian]

Entire game dedicated to a Zote arc

[mossy root]

54 levels of zoteboat puzzle game where each level represents each precept

Then the final boss is a culmination of everything you learned and he has a whole arc and fully realizes himself as gpz

[weak copper]

Zotes Precepts vs Vivec from Elder Scrolls Sermons

[vague whale]

Zote's are better

straight up figured out how to resist the infection

[low obsidian]

The third game has a special achievement coded in if you manage to follow all the precepts

[mossy root]

I genuinely find it so fucking funny that zote is just so stupid and doesn’t think that he inadvertently fulfills the no mind to think part

[vague whale]

he's such a well done joke character

[timber pond]

Look all im saying is, the thumping in the cursed ending of silksong and the thumping when zote enters the colosseum of fools is like, really similar. 😂

[vague whale]

Which is why I fully believe that Team Cherry could masterfully do a full Zote game if they wanted to

[mossy root]

What if zote is in a similar vein as the twisted bud but it’s fully grown
Maybe it possessed a vessel and that’s why he. Weirdly has void shit going on in gpz
This is a joke

[weak copper]

Next game is a spin-off racing game, and this boy is the main character. The reds shall rise again

[timber pond]

A joke team cherry would totaly make real

[vague whale]

This is also partially influenced by stuff like Garmond and Quirrel

[low obsidian]

Wait this writing is fire

[mossy root]

Absolute cinema

[vague whale]

Because we know Team Cherry can tell us the stories of other people doing stuff in the world at the same time as we are

So Zote being an idiot and not growing doesn't mean they can't tell a story

[mossy root]

In all seriousness all my bets are on a third game with thk and it takes place in the steel city
Cuz I highly doubt skong dlc would fully encompass the steel stuff when it’s been foreshadowed since the original hk with steel soul jinn
I might just be reading between too many lines but much of the dialogue from the steel soul characters has a lot of odd ties to containment somehow ? Compression, smthn smthn
Reminds me too much of thk and i feel as if that isn’t just a coincidence

Of course we could also get zoteboat

[atomic dirge]

Ok but SOME of the steel city stuff has to be in skong dlc

[weak copper]

And Sharpie can finally get his time to shine

[timber pond]

The Compression Is something the masters can do to others.

[vague whale]

If I had money and power there are so many things I would give for Zoteboat

[atomic dirge]

because of waluigi sharpe being a backer guy

[timber pond]

LIke they imply they can just make a Pale being into a steel heart

Or Zi does

[mossy root]

OH FOR SURE
They’re gonna set it up in a crazy way I feel
Cuz I remember weaversong is also a dlc item in og hk right
They’re setting up shit

[weak copper]

I was shocked that Sharpie was nowhere to be found but when thinking about it makes sense.

[mossy root]

YEAH I read this
Unfortunately i haven’t actually done it in-game because skong steel soul is horrendous and killing me
But i was reading up on it and I swear there’s just. So much going on that intrigues me

[timber pond]

He is supposed to persue hornet, but the SteeL city has no reason to persue Hornet in this game, Now AFTER the game is a diffrent story....

[low obsidian]

The potential man of hollow knight (joke)

[mossy root]

Steel soul jinn has dialogue comparing the knight with voidheart to her masters and while that may just be a higher being thing and not a void thing, it just. Feels a bit too odd to me

[craggy smelt]

at first I thought the steel assassin would be going after Hornet because they were angry at her dad
but now she has her own Void crimes

[atomic dirge]

sharpe just got paid real good

[timber pond]

Idk Sharpe might just be another Kingsmould/Wingsmould like entity. I mean look at him.

[weak copper]

Well I was thinking of multiple reasons before I learnt this: There already exists a rival character and the games progression means that if sharpe keeps appearing then he would be an unfun nuisance

[atomic dirge]

That makes.more sense yea

[timber pond]

Hes a Wingsmould with arms and legs lol

[low obsidian]

For the longest time I thought Lace and Sharpe were associated not sure where that really came from

[weak copper]

I'm guessing the backer who paid for their own village didn't make the cut also

[craggy smelt]

I suspect that back when Hornet game was Hornet DLC, it had some elements of Silksong
i.e. it would take place after ETV, Infection would be replaced with the Void going nuts
and the Steel Guys would've swooped in to be all 'the Masters are sanctioning this whole kingdom'

[timber pond]

Well yeah, thats the gameplay reason, But as we know with Godmaster, team chery needs everything and everyone to be diagetic to the world, even a boss rush lol

[vague whale]

do we even have confirmation that Sharpe still exists to Team Cherry?

[weak copper]

The backer content that perplex's me the most is the remaining 3 Warrior Spirits, were there any remains of them in Silksong?

[atomic dirge]

He has to because hes john backer

[weak copper]

Red Coral Gorge, the most beautiful area 😭

[vague whale]

To be perfectly honest, he does not have to

[mossy root]

But yeah thk not being in skong, steel assassin not being in skong, the setup with steel seer zi in steel soul and the entire VOID thing just. It feels. They’re setting up smthn huge with the void in the steel city thing and I swear they’re gonna kill us with the lore

[timber pond]

That too

[atomic dirge]

ok yeah fair but you get what i mean its very likely

[vague whale]

They could've talked with that backer more at some point and decided not to do it, idk

[atomic dirge]

fair fair

[novel verge]

yo do some1 know how to paly multiplayer?

with mods i mean

[vague whale]

There are lots of possible options for why Sharpe isn't here and might never be here

[timber pond]

I have evidence that the backer didnt know.

And was going to contact team cherry

[weak copper]

Wrong channel and no there's no multiplayer

[vague whale]

Cool, by all means present that evidence

[timber pond]

Not here

[novel verge]

but there is mods we can play with multiplayer

[vague whale]

not the right channel for that anyways

[novel verge]

idc i mean

like how

[craggy smelt]

#modding-discussion

[vague whale]

yeah, that or #1057825333841240104

[weak copper]

If the City of Steel is going to be the next game location then that would next lead to what areas would be in it. Being the third game TC would have to be even more creative to not have the areas be too similar

[low obsidian]

Man just how big are the dlcs gonna be they've said they already have even more ambitious ideas didn't they

[weak copper]

Shellwood was leaning on this since it felt like a blend between Greenpath and Queens Gardens but the water helps it stand out some

[craggy smelt]

if we actually do get the City of Steel, I think it would be something like the Citadel, with multiple sub-sections
it might not be another game, but something like a new campaign - an Act 4

[mossy root]

My hunch is they’re gonna pull an elden ring and just lie that whatever new area they add to the dlc gonna be as big as like. the marrow and then make it as big as the entire citadel

[weak copper]

"Oh yea, this area existed in Pharloom all along and Hornet just didn't discover it in her journey!"

[lethal burrow]

My hunch is they’re gonna pull a team cherry and just lie that they added sharpe to the dlc

(and also cut like eight more cutscenes)

[timber pond]

I think the City of steel Might move like Howls moving castle considering the logistics of having such wide reaching envoys

[weak copper]

Story: Hornet's new lover gets kidnapped, she must save her while also being hunted. Again."

[timber pond]

So if its a game, The city could move inbetween acts

[mossy root]

Wait shit that’s fire

[craggy smelt]

shit yeeeah, that'd be wild
a huge city on like a zillion legs
like a giant pillbug

[lethal burrow]

hollow knight: steel sentinel is sounding better and better

[weak copper]

On a Giant Snail

[timber pond]

If it moves, they could do A LOT of creative things while expanding the world

[craggy smelt]

hollow knight: steel town on a saturday night

[weak copper]

The return of the Giant Cartoon Snail

[mossy root]

No cuz like the concept artwork of the knight in thr wastes and there’s these HUGE ass stick bugs?
I rlly think team cherry’ll utilize even BIGGER bosses in a future game

[lethal burrow]

this image is over 10 years old

[vague whale]

Shadow of the Colossus style once we get into the wastes for sure

[mossy root]

EXACTLY
IMAGINE LMAO hanging on for dear life on a giant bug 😭

[weak copper]

Never too late to come back, but knowing TC the snail will be Baroque-ized, aged to look older, and be a lot less jolly

[low obsidian]

It's a shame they've already used the snowy mountain theme so now the next game unfortunately will not be able to to qualify for the list of greatest games (all the greatest games must include a snowy mountain area)

[timber pond]

Moving City Would be The best if they wanted to make it Like the Acts in this game

[mossy root]

The pale king’s lies about how nothing lies beyond the wastes only for there to be horrific bustling life

[weak copper]

The Gloom will take its place from its name

[vague whale]

That just means the next mountain will be a volcano, right?

[low obsidian]

Pale King was just so confident his kingdom would be so much eternal-er than the others he put up that sign pre-emptively

[timber pond]

Well, I think He wanted his kingdom TO BE the last in retrospect. Thats why he wrote that, because he believed he could make it eternal.

[weak copper]

That would be a great idea since we never seen the surface fully, it will show the reality of what the surface is like and makes the gamer wonder what the heck even happened to make it look like this

[low obsidian]

Imagining all the kingdoms having petty beef with each other like "Myyyy kingdom's more eternal than yourrrr kingdom"

[mossy root]

Oh that’s true
Still, that eternity sure was fucked 😭

[vague whale]

We've only gotten magma so far, they can still use lava

[weak copper]

We already have Metroid-escape sequences in Silksong that act as a volcano so perhaps not?

[low obsidian]

They see other kingdoms falling and go "Heh, couldn't be me!"

[mossy root]

Can there be an entire underwater area with crustaceans
They’re all just water bugs anyway
I mean i remember there was supposed to be the barnacle area

[craggy smelt]

yeah, I think it's aspirational

[vague whale]

But all the liquid rock we see is underground

[weak copper]

So Red Coral Gorge?

[mossy root]

Damnit i forgot about that

[craggy smelt]

true underwater area - Hornet has to swim

and drowns

[weak copper]

Ohhhhhhhh, Swimming WAS a thing in the HK development cycle

[low obsidian]

Hollow Knight 3 is actually an intergalactic space adventure

[craggy smelt]

finally, the swim mechanics from the first game will be realized

[zinc pivot]

Team cherry gives hornet the ability to swim the void
thats a lot of door opened

[weak copper]

Similar nuff to lava

[elfin minnow]

hollower knight

[mossy root]

Steel city except it’s just bloodborne hollow knight

[atomic dirge]

Higher beings make a kingdom and half the people in it hate them

Meanwhile Khann had a fuckhuge army loyal to him and was the last to remain before the Citadel took everything

Khann remains based

[zinc pivot]

Interestingly enough
Hornet didnt drown in the sea of void

Does void have diluted oxygen or something

[craggy smelt]

I wish the interior of the Void seemed more twisted
gotta have those 'twisted spaces'
its cool but not 'twisted' cool

[weak copper]

Ironically I considered him the easiest of the three

[low obsidian]

Idk how it would work but i would actually like to see an area that elicits some sorta galactic vibe but maybe that's just me

[vague whale]

No, lava is literally the aboveground stuff, we only got magma in skong

[elfin minnow]

steel city where u immediately die in one hit and lose your game

[zinc pivot]

Or Hornet doesn't need air to begin with just like with food and water

[craggy smelt]

literally, you have to re-buy it

[weak copper]

She IS more durable than most bugs

[mossy root]

Okay but like if the third game happens what if it moreso pulls a sekiro and ‘punishes’ you for death but obviously you can come back

[elfin minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/rich-off-airpods-richoffairpods-stack-band-bandforband-gif-4351078540525453133

[weak copper]

If steel soul appears in game 3 then I hope they give you more advantages to survive it than Silksong lol.

[elfin minnow]

team cherry:

[atomic dirge]

He is the easiest heart boss by far its just cool how tough he is in lore

[weak copper]

Yea, what's weird is that TC has the Shamans suggest going to Karmelita first even though shes the HARDEST 🙃

[mossy root]

But karmelita’s also the most fun so it cancels out

[zinc pivot]

Karmelita does have occasional bullshit at times

[weak copper]

Definitely, but the Gauntlet in the Coral Tower was fun even though I drowned in sadness it didn't appear in the game proper

[zinc pivot]

like when you accidentally fail to parry the sickles and she follows up with dicing hornet into weaver burger

[weak copper]

That backer who made Karn got hit HARD by the development cycle

[mossy root]

Oh coral tower gauntlet was def fun i was just so mad because i only had two nail upgrades (which was my fault tbf)

[atomic dirge]

Half of the stuff about Khann tries to paint him as this tyrannical ruler and the other half paints him as fucking based

[vague whale]

true

[zinc pivot]

Karn is the Weavenest
Khann is the one

[weak copper]

Full fledged area->Area gets marginalized to a smaller area like Hunter's March-> Gets reduced to a Memory and has its area be replaced by ruined envirionment

[mossy root]

Im still a bit disappointed by sands of karak cuz visually it’s so similar to blasted steps

[weak copper]

I freaking loved those big red runner dudes, they crack me up

[zinc pivot]

Karak is an empire of strength so really Khann can be both tyrannical and badass occasionally