sk-lore

[trim lark]

ruined tool
which no matter what is fashioned into some sort of silk gun

[humble iron]

Murglin foresaw that his home would become bilewater and just said "nah I'm outta here"

[humble iron]

Oh right he's the based weaver

[flint wadi]

it just says they were a lot alike i dont think it implies incest

[mystic fiber]

Is Atla the first sinner tho? i dont know if they had any connection

[humble iron]

could be the clawline inventor, I could see murglin hanging out with the architects

[trim lark]

theres no evidence outside of the atla effigy being nearby

i think

[edgy barn]

The atla effigy is also locked behind the apostate key yeah

[humble iron]

"Your example" implies she was the first to do something

and she seems to be a significant figure among weavers

[edgy barn]

Thematically Weavenest Atla is where the weavers seem to have found the solution for their god mom problem, so it would be fitting if it was named after the #1 GMS hater

[trim lark]

god damnit team cherry why didnt you give us more effigies i say while shaking my fist angrily at the sky

[flint wadi]

thread storm is kindaaaaa right below murglin

[humble iron]

I need a DLC to just be 10 effigies, nothing else

[mystic fiber]

hmmm...maybe the making of Eva, or somthing

[humble iron]

Yeah but murglin seems more into guns than straight up magic

[pale narwhal]

were did the other names come from?

[trim lark]

weavenest names and effigies

[flint wadi]

she was an inventor, but those guns still ran on silk (magic)

[pale narwhal]

the effigies right

[flint wadi]

idk why couldnt she have a protective technique like that

[humble iron]

Making a gun seems more like a move of a weaver that can't do fancy techniques tbh

[flint wadi]

thats a reach

[indigo jasper]

Also I have some lore doubts. At the end, why does Hornet save Lace? Was the fight with Lost Lace from the start about freeing and helping her? Because Hornet could’ve just killed grandma right there

[mystic fiber]

but i think Eva is more of a collaborative work, as she was described as "our shame"

[flint wadi]

the inventors were the ones who understood silk more than anyone

[humble iron]

There are many weavers seen in weavenest Atla when you needolin next to the trap

[indigo jasper]

Well making a gun sure made me happy.

[steep talon]

I think journal entry explains it pretty well

[humble iron]

For sure but nothing points at Murglin being the threadstorm Weaver other than proximity

[merry apex]

Just read all steel soul quest lines, holy that's interesting

[trim lark]

can anyone bring up any lore tablets near john threadstorm

[indigo jasper]

I can’t understand those well. Also im away from my computer rn

[flint wadi]

yeah but proximity is often all we have to go from

[trim lark]

or clawline

[flint wadi]

none :')

[humble iron]

Even then didn't murglin travel a bunch since the tool needs mount fay crystals to be repaired

[trim lark]

fuc

[flint wadi]

theres none none at craw lake none near the spire

[humble iron]

Murglin could be clawline for all we know since architects are an invention of weavers

[trim lark]

wait a min did the mount fay workshop room belong to a weaver?

[humble iron]

All of mount fay has weaver tunnels lol

[indigo jasper]

So why didn’t Hornet just kill GMS in the void?

[flint wadi]

all of mount fay was a weaver base

[trim lark]

but do we have any names

[edgy barn]

Nope

[flint wadi]

none, i think it was a joint effort

[humble iron]

cause as she mentioned she doesn't want to sacrifice herself, nor does she want the void to claim another

[mystic fiber]

yep, so presumably the "your example" is not a reference to the making of Eva but something else Atla achieved.

[trim lark]

fuck

[flint wadi]

its also not called a weavenest

[humble iron]

I would assume she was the first to rebel against GMS, hence first sinner

[steep talon]

It's a weave-guerilla-warfare-base

[mystic fiber]

and why is Atla the weaver of time. Do the titles hold any significance?

[zinc pivot]

Imagine Atla pulling Dio shit

[humble iron]

She's a keeper of history apparently

[indigo jasper]

Ah ok. Right. But why does she want to save Lace? Did she do it just to not lose another to the void or because of Lace specifically? Like did she save Lace for a general want to save or a want to save Lace.

[flint wadi]

theyre not though? nothing of their construction resembles what weavers made

its likely that architects are just bugs who figured out silk flies and managed to keep themselves alive through cogwork automatons (which are way more primitive than whatever sci fi bullshit weavers could do)

[steep talon]

I was wondering why first sinner got locked up. Didn't they succeed at putting GMS to sleep. Who the hell locked her up lmao

[mystic fiber]

yeah that would make sense, the snare setter is found in her place.

[flint wadi]

its a great mystery..........

(we still dont have a conclusive awnser lol)

[steep talon]

It is?

[humble iron]

I think she's gained some appreciation for Lace after the first fight because she reminds her of the knight, being a construct as well. Hence why the lost lace entry says "This one, the dark shall not claim"

[flint wadi]

but its framed like its apostacy against GMS

[steep talon]

Oh okay. I thought weavers locked one of their own, but slab seems too recent for that

[humble iron]

I believe there is dialogue implying the architect are but I don't remember if it's actually ingame or if I just saw someone else saying it

[flint wadi]

maybe they had to while they were under her rule

[indigo jasper]

Ok thanks for clearing up the doubt. Was Hornet always planning to save Lace? Like even before diving in? Im guessing not

[humble iron]

She spread the word to other weavers that they were not divine so yeah that checks out

[flint wadi]

you might mean 12th achitect talking about the origin of the citadel, but i dont think it talks about them making architects, just that they were the originators of the place

[humble iron]

Maybe after the dialogue with lace before diving ? Idk

[humble iron]

who do you think would have created the architects then btw

just regular citadel folks ?

[flint wadi]

her plan was to save lace to quell gms's anguish and gripping to life

[steep talon]

The cog architect

[flint wadi]

yeah, bugs that took over the citadel and took up the mantle of automating it

[past cypress]

Didn't the first architect make the other 11

[indigo jasper]

Oh yea, how is Lace even outside? And when she is outside, why is she not covered in void?

[past cypress]

Or am I misremembering

[indigo jasper]

Oh ok

[flint wadi]

i dont remember that personally

[trim lark]

we slap the void out of her
presumably possible because of her unique biology

aka being made of magic silk

how unfortunate that garmond isnt made of magic silk

[edgy barn]

He means when Lace talks to you before the fight

[flint wadi]

gms could pass away knowing that her daughter survived essentially

[trim lark]

oh

ive got no fuckin clue tbh

[flint wadi]

and that would cause the threads to disappear which would dissarm the void

[trim lark]

best guess i can hazard is that magic silk shenanigans

[flint wadi]

astral projection bullshit idk

[trim lark]

also gms literally gives us a buncha silk to use silk soarerer

[indigo jasper]

Thx that was another doubt for me too. Also magic silk? Thought she was just silk. She is made with special silk?

[steep talon]

You can say Hornet got attuned to her

[trim lark]

i mean magic silk as in silk weaved from soul

there HASNT been an example of regular non magic silk but im js being careful

[indigo jasper]

Wait what. I thought Lace was just like normal old silk, but just a lot of it. So she is silk mixed with soul?

[trim lark]

silk in general IS soul

[humble iron]

Silk is soul

[mystic fiber]

the Silk silk , not earth silk but bug-made soul silk, idk

[steep talon]

I think pharlids have silk? That's how they get back to their ambush holes

[indigo jasper]

You know I think I got everything wrong. Why is silk soul? Thought it was literally silk, like normal silk

[humble iron]

I mean typically when you talk about silk you talk of the magic kind not the regular kind

[flint wadi]

^ woven into a thread

[trim lark]

seamstress mentions that hornets ability to weave silk from soul is sought after

[humble iron]

it's the reason why hornet can generate silk out of thin air. It's in the inventory description when you hover over the silk meter

[flint wadi]

why do you think silk has so many special properties

[zinc pivot]

Its funny that
In hollow knight, distant village appears to be made with a silk material that isn’t magical in any means
But in SS almost all silk is made from soul silk

[steep talon]

Hornet makes silk out soul because of pale king probably. GMSs silk is divine, because she is the progenitor of silk

[trim lark]

imagine being able to a toss a bunch of fabric sheets onto yourself and recovering wounds lmao

[indigo jasper]

Wow I am dumb

[humble iron]

Tbf after a while the silk might lose its magic property

[flint wadi]

youre not its just convoluted and gets lost easily

[mystic fiber]

welp

[trim lark]

happens to the best of us

[edgy barn]

Hornet can make Silk because she is a weaver

[edgy barn]

Eh, I don't think weavers made distant village

[mystic fiber]

"spun from the soul of its creator"

[steep talon]

Yeah, but I mean specifically out of soul, I assumed that was from pk

[edgy barn]

Weavers also make Silk out of Soul.

[trim lark]

are there even any characters in silksong that can manipulate soul outside of groal and the shamans

[humble iron]

I would have trouble imagining them sacrificing all of their soul to make such big cocoons lol

[trim lark]

like outright soul not silk

[flint wadi]

could either be a different material or just soul silk piled in droves honestly

[humble iron]

First sinner can make spears, runes and bind

[steep talon]

Hmm, magical

[humble iron]

I don't believe so no

[mystic fiber]

i can think of none

[indigo jasper]

Nah I just am not that great with lore. I like lore, just can’t figure it out and remember stuff. I just came here for doubts. I didn’t even understand anything about weavers when I was done playing and I didn’t even care because I FORGOT WEAVERS EXISTED. Like, at the end I was like ‘ah, I know everything now’, then remembered about weavers and watched a lore video

[zinc pivot]

I find it a shame we cant make first sinners rune nails

[indigo jasper]

Sorry for the essay

[zinc pivot]

Looks better than the plain pale nails

[humble iron]

I mean GMS's nails are pretty close

[trim lark]

weavers in general really like stringing objects up and throwing them at us

[mystic fiber]

she spun her silk to make runes "This one's husk held a masterful talent, to weave Silk into blazing runes."

also i think first sinner is a dream fight

[wanton kayak]

gng i have theories for the dlc can i put them here?

[trim lark]

hell even the unravelled does that shit while being a homogenous pile of dead people silk

[humble iron]

I know but the reason it's magical is because it's made out of soul

[trim lark]

yea 👍

[zinc pivot]

Or maybe first sinner was testing our strength

[wanton kayak]

if you open the menu you can enable and disable the "hero voice" and i found it werid it said "hero" rather than hornet. also when you try to load up a new save file, a little picture of hornet appears on the cover. the post announcing the dlc has a picture of hollow knight, with text above talking about someone hornet is "familier with". from this im guessing that theres likely going to be another "hero" (playable character) and it could be another vessel, probably not the knight cause (1) the act 3 ending and (2) the mask is shaped differently

[humble iron]

She was imo

[zinc pivot]

Because the needles around the room is in real world

[wanton kayak]

im scared of when the second sinner shows up

[trim lark]

i think its this

1. only after beat them, and prove ourselves, does she let us accept rune rage

2. you dont die when defeated

i subscribe to the first sinner is testing us theory

[wanton kayak]

your coccoon appears tho...

[steep talon]

I wouldn't bet on it, but okay

[humble iron]

no it doesn't

[wanton kayak]

oh mb

[flint wadi]

it doesnt

[wanton kayak]

i forgor the first sinner fight

[flint wadi]

but your tools do get spent

[zinc pivot]

How to tell you didnt fight first sinner without saying you didn’t fight first sinner

[humble iron]

Hell first sinner probably heals you after the fight with her own silk lol

[trim lark]

besides i dont think she would gain a whole lot from killing hornet

shes literally THE gms hater

[wanton kayak]

hornet cannonically has memory issues

[mystic fiber]

yeah that's why i think it's a dream fight

[red saffron]

Why can’t first dinner rip off some of her shell and give it to you to replenish your tools smh

[wanton kayak]

no i did i just won in the first few attempts

[flint wadi]

i find it funny to imagine her just fighting nothing, throwing shit everywhere aimlessly and getting knocked out in her sleep

[trim lark]

first dinner

[zinc pivot]

Tools dont get used in memory bosses

[red saffron]

Fourth breakfast is my favourite right in the game

[steep talon]

I wonder what's for dinner

[wanton kayak]

omg do you think hornet is schizophrenic?

[trim lark]

also yeah tools dont get used in memory fights

[red saffron]

Just kidding it’s Lost Lunch

[flint wadi]

no, first sinner is just a very big hallucination

[trim lark]

theres actually no haunting hornet is just massacring innocent bugs

[red saffron]

I believe first sinner is a memory fight because the weaver shrines often put hornet into memories

[heavy gyro]

What dlc announcement

[wanton kayak]

can this be cannon

[humble iron]

when she lose she wakes up at a bench and gasps, so obviously she's always dreaming duh

[mystic fiber]

i like Second Sandwich

[red saffron]

What I wonder is which weaver is first sinner

[wanton kayak]

search it up, its called ||pale beginnings||

[zinc pivot]

You dont damage hallucinations with firebombs and boomerangs

[heavy gyro]

[red saffron]

That was bait

[wanton kayak]

baki type shit?

[flint wadi]

its a scary hallucination

[humble iron]

Tools are used up and weaver statues are dormant weavers, not dead ones so I could very much imagine First Sinner being powerful enough to get out of her dormant state to challenge Hornet

[wanton kayak]

god fucking dammit

[spark valve]

first sinner is dead and the fight is in a dream

[edgy barn]

Eh, First Sinner doesn't stop to sing her own needolin dialogue, but instead it plays automatically just like in the memory bosses.

[humble iron]

newgen getting silkposted smh

[indigo jasper]

Also in one of the patch notes, I think they referred to Hornet as hero there too

[zinc pivot]

Hag too angry to die

[spark valve]

This one's husk held a masterful talent, to weave Silk into blazing runes.

[humble iron]

did not notice that

[red saffron]

Maybe first sinner just steals the tools off hornet while she’s asleep

[wanton kayak]

shes a hallucination ofc she doesnt sing

[red saffron]

I guess it’s meant to be vague

[wanton kayak]

too busy being a sinner to spit bars

[red saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/yujiro-hanma-baki-cooking-esquizofrenia-gif-10183314646088788512

Hornet this entire fight

[mystic fiber]

maybe hornet just do a "random bullshit go" when she's dreaming

you never know

[humble iron]

If it was a memory fight then losing tools would be an oversight, but considering that TC did not fix it and are very deliberate with their detail I doubt it is a dream fight

[wanton kayak]

and she dies because she accidently hit herself

[spark valve]

use your eyes

the arena changes to a silksong dreamscape, her bindings disappear during the fight and reappear after

[flint wadi]

i think it just a hallucination instead of being an outright vision/memory

[red saffron]

I do really like how first sinner is basically a display of what Widow would be like if she still had her ability to weave

Like some kinda weaver

[wanton kayak]

could be balencing? architechs crest is broken af

[humble iron]

doesn't that prove it was a physical fight since she was physically here ?

[spark valve]

... no

[edgy barn]

I think the evidence for it being a memory is a lot stronger

[spark valve]

her corpse was there

[wanton kayak]

nah it was a schizo episode

[red saffron]

No it’s to piss you off since you don’t respawn at the bench

[mystic fiber]

woah i really didnt thought about, but that's cool kinda

[humble iron]

Not to mention First sinner doesn't have the weird border you see when entering the memory realm

[wanton kayak]

i use wanders i dont use tools anyways 💔

[trim lark]

we get knocked out from trying to bind FS so hard we start fucking dreaming ourselves

[red saffron]

I did the true final boss with with no tools because the mfing fleas didn’t let me pick up all my rightfully earned rosaries and shell shards

[wanton kayak]

hornet shouldnt have taken all that plasmium and flea brew

[humble iron]

She's seen breaking out of it, if she was dead why was she imprisoned ?

[wanton kayak]

polydrug use kills

[flint wadi]

i think tools getting spent is an indication some of it takes place in the real world, but its still largely just happens in hornets mind

[spark valve]

except she didn't break them we know that she didn't because it's intact after the fight

[trim lark]

hornet hallucination theory real

[flint wadi]

i mean #sk-lore message this says as much

[wanton kayak]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[flint wadi]

yeah lol

[heavy gyro]

Does dying to first sinner make you lose in steel soul

[zinc pivot]

Strong ass hallucination that tools can hit

[red saffron]

What even was first sinner’s first sin did she eat the evil apple

[zinc pivot]

No
Thats why we are arguing

[mystic fiber]

haven't tried

[humble iron]

Fair but what about the nails on the ground then

[spark valve]

This one's husk held a masterful talent, to weave Silk into blazing runes.
it's also said that she's a corpse

[flint wadi]

in her mind, that doesnt disprove anything

[gentle aspen]

She’s not hallucinating it’s just a dream realm thing

[wanton kayak]

she didnt spit bars with hornet

[edgy barn]

-Dying to First Sinner is not a real death.
-The enviroment changes when the fight starts, goes back to normal after it ends.
-Her needolin dialogue works the same as that of the memory bosses

[steep talon]

Let me go kill myself in steel soul real quick

[zinc pivot]

And tools get eaten

[mystic fiber]

but i really do think first sinner is a dream fight

[spark valve]

they were left in the cell it doesn't really change anything

[flint wadi]

yeah cause she throws them out

[flint wadi]

hats what happens when you use tools

[zinc pivot]

And she needs to resupply in a bench

[flint wadi]

they get spent

meaning she is throwing them during the fight in reality

[zinc pivot]

And it has effects on a hallucination

[red saffron]

Which of the weaver effigies do you think First sinner is

[mystic fiber]

imagine fleas seeing hornet throwing random shit around when she's drunk

[spark valve]

if she is any of the named ones it's atla, as that one was also locked away in slab, plus fs pioneered runes which the atla weavenest used to make the snare setter

[flint wadi]

because she hallucinates them having an effect on her, this isnt a silver bullet you think it is, thats the entire point

[zinc pivot]

Probably atla
Based on the fact that she was in the snare setter table memory

[mystic fiber]

best candidate is Atla but idk

[flint wadi]

likely alta

[red saffron]

Yeah I think atla cause Atla’s was in the slab

[mystic fiber]

wait what

[zinc pivot]

Try needolin there and you will see first sinner with two other sinners

[red saffron]

Does make me wonder if widow was maybe Keelal or if she was just a random weaver

[zinc pivot]

Assuming they are second and third

[red saffron]

Probably some rando

[mystic fiber]

i did needolin at the snare scene but i didnt recoginze her at all

[flint wadi]

i mean its not impossible

[spark valve]

keelal is probably the weaver corpse in shellwood

[flint wadi]

keelal doesnt have an associated weavenest

[flint wadi]

oh right then yeah no

i forgot where you find the effigy

[red saffron]

Oh I had no idea that was a thing

[flint wadi]

its the witch chapel

[humble iron]

All weavers that rebeled are sinners so there's probably no 2nd or 3rd

[red saffron]

I never did parasite quest

[zinc pivot]

It COULD be her hallucinating that, that’s what I will accept for now until concrete evidences are given by TC

[spark valve]

Sister, spider, husk bound to branch,
Watch over these bugs, passing safe,
Warded by fear,
No longer your meal.
this is directly under her tomb and corresponds pretty directly to that effigy

[zinc pivot]

Let’s end the FS discuss at that

[red saffron]

And then Camora’s just never seen I suppose

[flint wadi]

yeah she is the weaver of the path

it tracks

[flint wadi]

i feel like camora stayed to teach her sisters quick step

[zinc pivot]

There is a Twelfth of the First sinner catalogued in Slab

[red saffron]

There was also that one random grown weaver in hallownest but that’s probably not important

[mystic fiber]

do we get more titles of weavers or just the three effigy

[flint wadi]

wait nvm thats cindril

[edgy barn]

Camora is Silk Spear remembr

[flint wadi]

camora is silk spear yeah

[spark valve]

cindril weavers probably left before the effigies were even a thing

[humble iron]

Is there ? What ?

[spark valve]

Penitent, Twelfth of the First.
Guilty of an unnamed sin.
Penance by casting.
Absolution not granted.

[zinc pivot]

So if other sinners got absolution by death
Does this imply Twelfth Sinner is still alive

[red saffron]

Maybe that means she was twelfth of the first weavers

[zinc pivot]

Meanwhile First Sinner was denied outright

[mystic fiber]

so it went weaver worshipping GMS -> weaver trapped GMS-> bugs worshipping weavers -> GMS fucked up weavers -> bugs worshipping GMS, is my understanding correct?

[zinc pivot]

Maybe
This could lead to at least four known batch of weavers created

[edgy barn]

I don't think all of the sinners were weavers

[spark valve]

weaver worshipping gms > weavers trap gms > bugs worship weavers > conductors take over from weavers > bugs worship citadel itself > silk shenanigans in whiteward > gms mind control

[mystic fiber]

okay

[flint wadi]

the story really frames it like first sinners imprisonment happened in the "weavers worshipping gms" era

[zinc pivot]

I’m just based on the theory that the second ordinal represent First batch of Weavers

[flint wadi]

"apostacy", "silken lie"

[red saffron]

I think first sinner discovered the truth that weavers weren’t directly created by silk but rather just ascended from lesser spiders

[native cedar]

Not a big lore point but
did the seamstress defeat and disable the fourth chorus before we go there?
There was a big needle in his neck

[red saffron]

They weren’t really her daughters

[spark valve]

probably

[zinc pivot]

It’s quite literally shoved into your peripheral vision

[red saffron]

GMS is freaking obsessed with having daughters

[mystic fiber]

i think that's the case.

[zinc pivot]

Yeah
And the fact that it woke up after we put on drifters cloak,
A courtesy of Pinstresses

[trim lark]

the fourth chorus is lowk a hater
went on the offense the MOMENT it saw the craftmanship of its target

[mystic fiber]

i have a theory about plasmium, but it rely heavily on cut contents. i think it was first found in pharloom bay seeing how Zylotol says it was found "at the farthest edge of Pharloom, hidden deep in salt-stricken waters" and in cut content Zylotol refers the bilewater as "swamp beside the sea". sea water is clearly salty so idk

[zinc pivot]

Interesting catch

[whole holly]

Pharloom Bay may be that area who knows

[zinc pivot]

Hope we see Barnacle/Pharloom Bay again

[red saffron]

Is there a lore reason elder hu was such a fraud compared to shakra

[flint wadi]

i mean lifeblood is definitely in the salt lakes

[mystic fiber]

or it could be referring to the pale lake if we work with no cut contents. idk

[flint wadi]

or waterways beyond that

[red saffron]

It is interesting to think that the pale lake might’ve been full of lifeblood

[flint wadi]

it isnt, and it wasnt

[red saffron]

I’m exaggerating

[whole holly]

he was infected

[flint wadi]

its just that there was some natural lifeblood growths further into the salt caverns

[mystic fiber]

shakra is just based.

[red saffron]

Hah, there’s no such thing as “lifeblood.” There is only Plasmium, discovered by my mentor

[flint wadi]

tomato tomato

[red saffron]

I guess we know Joni was a heretic because she injected 700 kg of pure lifeblood into her veins

[cedar skiff]

the naming of this weavenest is really interesting considering the biblical story of absalom, who to put it simply, despite being loved and lavished by his father overthrew him to become king

[silver spire]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

[cedar skiff]

another team cherry banger moment

[silver spire]

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT

[mystic fiber]

wait i thought joni is a he

[silver spire]

I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE

[mystic fiber]

oh damn , she is a she

[cedar skiff]

i forgot about the weavenst in the abyss until i did a second playthrough and only just made the connection

[mystic fiber]

i guess i was just being stupid

[zinc pivot]

I thought absolom was some cool name TC came up with

[red saffron]

That’s pretty cool

Matches with the weaver lore

[zinc pivot]

So any other meaning the other weavenest name have?

[red saffron]

Atla means avatar the last airbender

[cedar skiff]

this was unfortunately my first thought too

[trim lark]

murglin is a surname apparently

[humble iron]

tbh I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case and the biblical absolom is a coincidence

absol is also the name of a pokemon obviously absolom refers to that

[cedar skiff]

theres many other names in the game pulled from mythologies so i find it hard to believe they didnt at least realise it later

if it fits it fits though

[humble iron]

I do think absolom has abyss vibes as a name

[red saffron]

I wonder where Garmond was from

[humble iron]

Is he from outside of Pharloom ?

The amount of characters that just traverse the wastelands like it's nothing is very funny considering how dangerous it's supposed to me

[red saffron]

He’s probably from pharloom or near pharloom because the citadel caused his town’s destruction

[humble iron]

Surface citizen fr fr

[red saffron]

Yeah my immediate thought was he might be from nameless town but it seems too close to the cradle

[mystic fiber]

and the spools found in HK deepnest is soul silk right? i thought they were just spider silk back then

[zinc pivot]

Most likely soul silk

[humble iron]

These are probably soul silk otherwise I don't see why PK would need it shipped to his palace

[zinc pivot]

But they get soggy apparently like real silk

f for lost hallownest history

[quick thorn]

||We can all agree that this thing is First Chorus right?||

[mystic fiber]

that is a interesting point

[humble iron]

I think they are counted from left to right so yeah that'd be first chorus

[zinc pivot]

I wonder why it got all chained up

[mystic fiber]

nah, bug gundam

[zinc pivot]

Or why it has the soul imprints of architect instead of an actual architect bug

[quick thorn]

I mean, it literally looks the oldest

[mystic fiber]

also a small point, 12th architect is making the jars that are used in "silk siphoning room" of whiteward

[long crow]

where's second and third chorus?

also hi :3

[edgy barn]

Twelft Architect's area

[hushed viper]

is there a lore reason why the silksong is so good it has a part where you run around naked

[dusty lily]

You've just answered your own question

[long crow]

yeah it's so she can |||swoop in like batman and break that guys neck|||

[long crow]

oh yeah

[hushed viper]

speaking of that part what's the name of the music that plays during that fight

[dusty lily]

Red maiden

[hushed viper]

aweslomes

[mystic fiber]

or the other way around, she's using the jars to make cogwork stuff

[steady turtle]

Does anyone know why GMS wanted to bring hornet to pharloom?

[maiden meteor]

maybe Choruses were first Architects of Citadel

[maiden meteor]

Silkflies are used to power cog mechs

[mystic fiber]

i really couldnt tell which way is it. but seeing how some needolin dialogs of 2nd or 3rd Chorus are "...WE...ALL...TOGETHER...
...SERVE...BEYOND SHELL...
...LIGHT...SEE US...
...REMEMBER US...
...WE WERE MANY...
...WE ARE ONE..."

[quick thorn]

i just lost my 12 hour steel soul run

[mystic fiber]

i think it's the second way, also it somehow made whiteward even worse 💀

[zinc pivot]

Rip ||bozo||

[quick thorn]

wait wrong hcannel

[maiden meteor]

also I wonder how Whiteward device worked

did they stretch silk out of half-alive bugs

[edgy barn]

The reverse

They put the silk into them.

[maiden meteor]

naw I mean Silkfly making one

[edgy barn]

Oh that

yeah no clue there

[zinc pivot]

What the hell are the spears controlled by unravelled

[maiden meteor]

looks like they stretched silk around it and then it somehow made flies

[zinc pivot]

I see them looming over the chairs but have no clue

[mystic fiber]

they sucked many bugs dry and make their soul/silk into silkflies then put the flies into cogwork stuff to make them work after perished. talk about capitalism 💀

[edgy barn]

Reminder that sickness is a confirmed sin under the citadel system

[maiden meteor]

fr tho, makes sense they would need giant builder machines in early stages

and Choruses have similar bodyshape to Architects

[zinc pivot]

So the Underworks bug got treated too huh

[maiden meteor]

[zinc pivot]

Yet so many died by that bench

I guess exhaustion and coal filled lungs doesn’t count

[mystic fiber]

also there's a cut lore tablet that reads

[red saffron]

Probably cut cause almost everyone in the deep docks is haunted

[edgy barn]

Including the two guys in charge

[mystic fiber]

and still working perhaps. citadel would see this as an absolute win

[simple hedge]

Forge daughter continuing to work after the Forebrothers are haunted is crazy work. They're simply so used to still working, like Loam

[zinc pivot]

Shame we cant have a cool ass flintslate boomerang
Or imbue fire to our tools

[simple hedge]

flamarang my beloved

[mystic fiber]

shroomerang and trimarang when

[simple hedge]

light disc when

[edgy barn]

When Terraria 1.4.5 releases

aka Never

[mint furnace]

Ballow is such a goat

He just says “go away I’m working” until being told he’s the last possible person to maybe save the world and says “eh, fine”

[merry apex]

So true

[mystic fiber]

dude be upgrading the old diving bell and singlehandedly making it able to withstand extreme heat and high pressure from lava

ballow forever my goat

[zinc pivot]

The intricacies behind diving bell is still unexplained ngl

It feels like an elevator than actual diving

Else lava would be pouring down where we dropped to abyss

[trim lark]

do we think this thing has any lore

[zinc pivot]

I assume its how steel city gets their resource

[dapper willow]

a stone that grows forever sounds very dangerous

[zinc pivot]

Maybe a hint on the eternal nature of steelhearts

[eternal sigil]

it has unique Needolin dialogue

[eternal sigil]

city of steel bullshit

also can we talk about the Steel Masters content in Silksong

I think they are literally the only faction now alluded to in both games that still isn't seen "in their element," only as a peripheral part of the world

Which given how very rarely the outside world is alluded to at all is suspect

Ties as well to the snail-people (a slightly different kind than the Shamans, but both of them that we have seen have been able to manipulate Void through rituals)

[mystic fiber]

we would get more steel stuff

if red coral wasnt cut

😭

[zinc pivot]

There should’ve been a quest to revive coral gorge

Like literally, above it is a giant ass glacier mountain

[viscid ridge]

The steel assassin's definitely wasnt tied to the coral forest

[mystic fiber]

they were cut with it nonetheless (presumably)

[viscid ridge]

They were probably found all over the map, theres nothing about them that suggested that they were exclusive to the coral forest.

[eternal sigil]

alright so to make all of this more spicy, this is what Jinn has to say when the Knight gets Voidheart

Different to Jinn. More complete? Different... like masters?

[zinc pivot]

I wonder if the Masters are Void Given Forms

Or Void Given Steel Shells

[viscid ridge]

Maybe some sort of void beings, or maybe some sort of higher beings

[eternal sigil]

I am increasingly suspicious that the Masters are either some kind of bugs that have imbibed Void but retained individual autonomy, or else constructs like the Kingsmoulds who gained sense of self at some point

[zinc pivot]

*Kingsmould

[eternal sigil]

and who act through the Steelhearts (seemingly automata, immune to anti-life properties of Void) to control the shell-folk

who themselves can do stuff with Void

[edgy barn]

I'm pretty sure this refers to how the Knight now has dominion over the Void, just like how the masters have dominion over the steel hearts

[zinc pivot]

Jinn does say the Knight is
More Complete

So what is Jinn missing to be compared like that

[edgy barn]

idk freedom?

[zinc pivot]

Does getting void heart make you the freest vessel in the world?
Does A Vessel become a sort of, Lord of Pirates?
Or maybe, a Knight of Liberation?

[eternal sigil]

the other thing coming to mind is that the Masters might be some kind of offshoot of the Abyssal Civilization

them being unfathomably old would explain in part both their ability to make advanced robots and their ability to manipulate the void

or at least, to know of it enough that their second-degree servants have knowledge of how to do this

it seems to be taboo but this might also be the ruling class not wanting the effective serfs to be fiddling with higher powers

[compact escarp]

Who actually sent Widow to take down hornet? The 1st sinner or Lace herself?

[zinc pivot]

Nah Widow was chilling until Hornet comes down to fuck with her

[eternal sigil]

something else suspicious is how familiar and amiable Hornet is when first speaking to/with Zi, despite evidently knowing that the conditions that the vassals work under are harsh and cruel

though this could also just be pragmatism

the two Steelhearts we see appear to be invulnerable either to Ghost or to Hornet, so if they are genuinely not able to be killed it might be proper conduct to comply with and not anger them

[compact escarp]

I see

Iirc she mentioned smth abt her higher ups so...

Btw is widow related to first sinner since their atk style are kinda same?

[spark valve]

they are both weavers

[charred nimbus]

They're both weavers but Widow is a simp while First Sinner is a chad

[cedar skiff]

lets talk about real important things like flea lore and what fucking ritual mooshka keeps talking about

[hazy carbon]

i love ss lore chat lmfao

[hazy carbon]

the ritual of a ||carnival||

also i was trying to make a family tree for the weaver/hornet thing and this is what i got? how on spot am i?

[charred nimbus]

I think that's pretty on point

Good art too

[cedar skiff]

well i was wondering cause he keeps talking about it even after the flea games stuff

[hazy carbon]

thanks i had someone draw it for me 😭

[gritty ruin]

I thought the void helps make the vessels, not the pale king and white lady make the void

[cedar skiff]

the drawings are cute

[charred nimbus]

That's true

I think if it's a family tree, maybe the void shouldn't really be involved

[hazy carbon]

hmm that the void is some other type of higher being/element which is infused in the spawns of wyrm and root?

[charred nimbus]

well, but like, the void isn't actually the father of the vessels, they just became void by the Pale king misscariage

[mystic fiber]

you should draw a pharlid above weavers but below gms

[lone folio]

Nah not zote

[hazy carbon]

yeah cuz they were kinda evolved from pharlids..

[charred nimbus]

Yep

[hazy carbon]

idek about zote he's just there

[lone folio]

He's just the greatest knight of all time

[charred nimbus]

That would be Garmond and Zaza please

[gritty ruin]

Zote solos

[lone folio]

You wish, clearly zote would win

[gritty ruin]

Btw w slime ranchers

[charred nimbus]

Well, Zote is dead in my canon Hollow knight world

[hazy carbon]

also i was looking into the lore of silkflies (the firefly things which help you through the mist) and hoo boy

[hazy carbon]

funny neglected achievement

[lone folio]

Yeah ;-;

[gritty ruin]

SHOOT I FOrGOT TO HeLp HiM IN DEEP NEST

[mystic fiber]

so true

[hazy carbon]

DO YOU THINK THE SILKFLY WHICH FREED HORNET CAME FROM A WEAVER'S SILK?????

[lone folio]

Hell yeah

[lone folio]

Uhhh maybe?

[hazy carbon]

in the intro cutscene

[gritty ruin]

I needa play more

[lone folio]

I haven't really thought about that

[charred nimbus]

Wasn't that Lace just neglecting her mother Hornet's silk?

[maiden meteor]

it’s weird how silkflies are just everywhere

ik there’s load of bodies in whiteward but

[charred nimbus]

They killed many bugs

[maiden meteor]

seems like a wasteful use

[mystic fiber]

me think, lace. in cut content she taunts hornet in moss grotto

[vague jolt]

i think it was lace who was just bored

[lone folio]

Defently!

[charred nimbus]

Not exactly bored but she wanted to rebel agains't her mother

[gritty ruin]

The honey slimes give me comfort

[hazy carbon]

https://youtu.be/vkmC-ULdLAQ?t=82 doesn't look like lace to me? but i could see it

[vague jolt]

she's playing with silkflies in deep docks

[lone folio]

It looks like the fly lays down and starts messing with it

[charred nimbus]

Lace talks in the end about not letting mother silk take hornet's silk, but i'm not sure if by saying that she also meant freeing hornet in the start

[lone folio]

Maybe one of those souls that hate the citadel decided to free a prisoner

[hazy carbon]

it could be implied

[ebon silo]

like the flies were probably just trolling and broke the seal for the love of the game

[hazy carbon]

i personally head canon it as the silkfly coming from a captured weaver

[gritty ruin]

First sinner?

[hazy carbon]

well after the extraction process

[hazy carbon]

no not first sinner

[ebon silo]

i dont think any weavers were made into flies i think they were just permanently binded to GMS

[charred nimbus]

I think they meant that a weaver was controlling the fly

[hazy carbon]

hmmm... yeah..

[charred nimbus]

or no?

[vague jolt]

i mean lace doing it makes the most narrative sense

[charred nimbus]

True

[ebon silo]

theres no proof for that as far as i know

[charred nimbus]

I know, we're just working towards a new headcanon, i still think it was lace

[hazy carbon]

no i didn't i was thinking of an overly rebellious weaver being turned into a fly as retribution but yeah lace makes so much more sense narratively

[maiden meteor]

Oh, apparently when you enter Second Sentinel arena they’re surrounded by 4 silk flies :(

[ebon silo]

for sure lace did it considering the flies are from souls she mustve guided one of them to break the seal in the cage but the thing is she also tries to kill her unless shes just trolling for the love of the game

[charred nimbus]

i know we step on the button of "Retconned Herrah" alot here, but i need to say this

[hazy carbon]

:( what if those flies were the rest of the sentinels

[trim lark]

lowkey a random butterfly mightve js done that to fuck with the citadel

[charred nimbus]

I always tought that Herrah was supposed to be the same species as the Stalking devouts, and not a weaver

[maiden meteor]

She probably just wanted to deny GMS Hornet’s power

[trim lark]

not even guided they just felt like it

[maiden meteor]

yep, there’s exactly 4 deactivated sentinels in room

[ebon silo]

literally that couldve been just the reason

[trim lark]

those are some crazy powerful silk flies to be piloting sentinels

[maiden meteor]

Also, curiously, Sentinels apparently were built by First Architect and predate even Cogwork Core

[charred nimbus]

They were made to guide or i think kill pilgrims

[hazy carbon]

so you're telling me this is an enbyunc?

[charred nimbus]

or guide and protect i think

[hazy carbon]

i think eliminate dangers and guard and not slaughter pilgrims

[maiden meteor]

Makes sense they’d want more pilgrims alive during early Citadel days ig

[charred nimbus]

Yeah, they only started killing people after the haunting

[humble iron]

I assume they were built to protect the architects while building the cogwork core itself

[hazy carbon]

i so wish we could dual wield in silksong.. i want to play as the second sentinel

[charred nimbus]

There is actually a sentinel crest where you duel wield, but nobody got it yet

[maiden meteor]

Also they probably needed more workforce before building mechs

[hazy carbon]

i so want to fall for this shit

it could literally be tool less team cherry just let me have their dual wielding and needle strikes

[charred nimbus]

What i heard is that the Sentinels were built to help pilgrims on the pilgrimage to the citadel in the early days

[hazy carbon]

when pharloom was only an early stage capitalistic society...

[humble iron]

And the souls

[humble iron]

It was never a capitalist society, more like a typical theocracy

[charred nimbus]

Damn Bro, i tought the Weavers were chill, they built the most fucked up capitalist society i ever seen in games

[charred nimbus]

Underworks?

[maiden meteor]

Early Citadel seems chill

it was made of stone and had sentinels

[humble iron]

Typical theocracy stuff I'm telling ya

[hazy carbon]

pretty sure they weren't the ones who set it up....

[hazy carbon]

clanker theocracy.... 🤯

[charred nimbus]

Well, maybe the ones that fucked up the citadel were the conductors, architects and Vaultkeepers after the Weavers passed the power to then, but yeah

[maiden meteor]

Maybe Citadel valued pilgrims more before building Cogwork Core

[humble iron]

As far as I'm aware the market is not owned by private owners, but rather regulated by the government (citadel)

[maiden meteor]

and once maintenance was automated Pilgrims became disposable

[humble iron]

it's like saying a monarchy is capitalist because the nobles are hoarding the money

[charred nimbus]

That's true

[humble iron]

The weavers did like eat people and shit I don't think they really are morally conflicted with that kind of stuff

[charred nimbus]

I didn't see it that way

[maiden meteor]

or maybe Citadel was always harsh in rules and we just see the peak of it

Maybe in early days they just killed sinners instead of using them

[charred nimbus]

The weavers also seen pretty narcisistic, so i don't doubt they only wanted to use the pilgrims and everyone else for their Beef and didn't actually care for then

[humble iron]

Yeah I don't think any stage of Pharloom was nice, GMS was awful, Weavers were awful, Citadel folks are awful

[maiden meteor]

Even Hallownest Weavers seem kinda asshole-ish

[ebon silo]

they are shown to be greedy and demanding of independence though

[maiden meteor]

“Show us you are more weaver than a wyrm”

[humble iron]

A trait they inherited from their god, just like Markoth

[ebon silo]

and yet they were also saved by one of their kin who just happeend to be half pale being

a pale being who they also hate

so technically were the fucking bad guys

[maiden meteor]

imma be real there’s probably no living weavers by the end of game but Hornet

[humble iron]

you're not forced to fight widow or first sinner soooo

[ebon silo]

theres still a few surely somewhere truly far from pharloom

[ebon silo]

im pretty sure u need to save bellhart to proceed to act 3

[humble iron]

Oh yeah act 3, but regular win you don't

[maiden meteor]

they aren’t mentioned in any way in Silksong so p sure they died

[humble iron]

Oh yeah it's probably living unless it was recaptured by the citadel

[maiden meteor]

that GMS could sense Hornet but not full-blood Weaver sounds unlikely to me

[humble iron]

Surely Hornet knew that deepnest weaver right

[ebon silo]

i cannot wait for hollow kngiht: hollow knight game in 20 years

we finally get to play as title screen

[humble iron]

hell there's 1/8 weavers that were tracked in the city of steel

[maiden meteor]

Eternal Ordeal screen no less

[ebon silo]

1/8? wasnt there only one

[humble iron]

yeah idk why I put it as plural mb

[ebon silo]

that would be the void 🚋

[maiden meteor]

Funny Silksong has no own PoP but does have Eternal Ordeal of sorts (flea festival)

[humble iron]

Btw guys is there a lore reason why Trobbio screams "Zote" in his second fight

[azure dirge]

What was eternal ordeal?

[humble iron]

is this some word that means "fabulous" or smth in bug language

[mystic fiber]

SS so cute fr

[humble iron]

and that's why Zote's named that way

[maiden meteor]

Endless Zote fight in Godhome

[azure dirge]

Aaah right.

[maiden meteor]

the best addition in Godhome DLC

[azure dirge]

How the hell did dream Zote become such a cancerous blight on the dream realm

Like. Even after Bretta sees through it and leaves it’s still there

[maiden meteor]

Zote’s ego alone is enough to resist Radiance

[azure dirge]

Maybe it’s all precept fifty six’s fault. Bretta dreamed it up for him and now it’s feeding off his ego alone.

Maybe Zote really is powerful for that alone.

I guess having enough of an ego alone is powerful enough when you think about it. Even if bro is wimpy, not even Lost Kin would come back over and over again and do 10 masks of damage.

What do you guys think would have happened if we trapped radiance in Zote’s mind?

So when is somebody doing the Skonger Precept Challenge Run

[zinc pivot]

Theres only rosaries in skong
The geo precept cant be fulfilled

[azure dirge]

Beast shards r p much geos

Radiance would simply become Zote.

Radiant Zote

Don’t the Zotelings kinda explode into radiance’s light effect

Does that mean the Zote dream actually repurposes Radiance?

[zinc pivot]

Or maybe Zote sees exploding jelly fish and went
I can do that shit too

[real escarp]

My own theory: The witch crest parasite is the same type of creature as the White Lady.

[hidden crater]

Any zote

[whole holly]

guys lets look at every crest source, some of them are dead bugs, look at reaper crest, it is dead reaper bug but what else is known about it?

[azure dirge]

Could be a similar creature born from or tainted by the pollution. We find the baby up near ducts and bilewater.

[hidden crater]

Chat is this real

[azure dirge]

Yeah.

[maiden meteor]

crests are basically soul imprints or smth

Hornet binds other bug’s power to hers

[azure dirge]

It’s like the accumulation of their beings.

This is also not the first time we hear about crests in HK universe. The godtuner had a focus crest placed upon it. May even have been a crest itself.

[maiden meteor]

also Shaman crest belonged to freakin HUGE shaman

[hidden crater]

we finna gonna bind the godseekers power now

[maiden meteor]

Power of calling everyone else cringer

[zinc pivot]

I wonder if shamans crest got runes on itself or hornet reintepret their soul imprint into silk runes somehow

[whole holly]

Ruined Chapel is Chapel of Wanderer right?

[zinc pivot]

Chapel of Shaman

[whole holly]

what purpose does chapels serve other than burial?

[zinc pivot]

Its a place of worship

[whole holly]

wait chapel of wanderer is in bonegrave i think when we get crest

[zinc pivot]

Yes

[azure dirge]

Hornet binding creatures probably creates those crests within herself, and it melts with her own being to an extent.

[whole holly]

oh, does game confirm it, can you give source of that?

[azure dirge]

Hornet’s method is probably just one of many for creating crests.

[zinc pivot]

Well, that’s what chapel is for in real life

So I assume bugs do worshipping in there

[azure dirge]

That is what a chapel is

[whole holly]

i think it is alluded to as well in game since Citadel suppressed it i think and caretaker confirms it

[zinc pivot]

Else they should call it a mausoleum

Only ruined chapel is suppressed though

[azure dirge]

In HK universe we see a lot of this sort of thing though, chapels with dead bugs, or preserved bugs.

Or sacred/holy places with a dead bug.

Especially laid out on their back.

There’s a lot of them between HK and SK

[maiden meteor]

It seems chapels also correlate to major factions

Wanderer is Pilgrims, Beast is Ants, etc

[zinc pivot]

So Reaper is the Moors?

[azure dirge]

Makes sense

Reapers collects silk, and it’s sweeping motion is unique.

[maiden meteor]

I wonder if chapel of architect was just a place of burial or if they also kept Architects’ knowledge here

[zinc pivot]

Interestingly, Witch has its own Chapel
When its only representative is unwanted pregnancy

[azure dirge]

Architect literally tells you it’s their vault of knowledge.

[maiden meteor]

Twelfth does talk about Hornet binding their essence to hers

[azure dirge]

You do literally wake up in the chapel of the witch.

[maiden meteor]

I wonder what would be lore around Wyrm Crest

Chapel of Wyrm built by Hallownest escapees?

[polar moon]

guys does crust king Khans ass crust?

[zinc pivot]

Makes me wonder whats the history of the whole greyroot/witch chapel pilgrimage

[azure dirge]

I guess you could say the architects were all buried within the knowledge of that vault. The architect also dies a little bit after you bind the crest I believe.

[maiden meteor]

she dies from old age afaik

[azure dirge]

Did you go around talking to everyone during the quest.

[zinc pivot]

What if
First Chorus is actually a container of past architect souls

Thats why it has a crest

[maiden meteor]

ohhh that’s interesting one

[azure dirge]

It’s not impossible it’s related though. The automatons all seem to have had some life interred into them. Binding has an effect on soul. Architects are also supposed to pass on their life and knowledge into a new one when they are dying.

[zinc pivot]

I mean i only talked to pavo after i got the eternal screaming baby

[azure dirge]

Pavo tells you the history of it if you go back to him and a bunch of npcs have unique dialogue about it.

[zinc pivot]

Also ugh i saw an art depicting the removal of the parasite
The fucking steel spike tore open a hole into hornets insides

[maiden meteor]

I actually wonder if Architect dies if you buy her entire stock but don’t get crest

[zinc pivot]

After you get cursed?

[azure dirge]

Yeah, I think getting architects song may also be a trigger.

[azure dirge]

Yes.

[maiden meteor]

doesn’t he say that Hornet isn’t the first to die from Greyroot too

[zinc pivot]

Interesting

[azure dirge]

After you get cursed you also wake up next to a bunch of other bugs who did

You find out exactly why they never showed up or appeared before Pavo again

They are in the core of the witch’s chapel

You have to break yourself out from there.

[zinc pivot]

What i mean is, how did it even start, who began this horrific pilgrimage and why it is still going

[azure dirge]

Hard to say where that creature came from.

It acts like a Phoenix in a way, except it’s born from the ashes of another.

Feeds upon their soul.

Eva has unique dialogue if you approach her while cursed.

[pastel timber]

pavo implies the pilgrims called the twisted buds "offerings" which is very interesting if that hasnt been brought up already

[delicate anvil]

WHAT HAPPENED!!!??

[zinc pivot]

I know she chased us away like the plague

[azure dirge]

Did you get architects crest and the architect song

[delicate anvil]

song?

[zinc pivot]

Mission finished
She can rest now

[zinc pivot]

Melody

[delicate anvil]

i got the crest

[azure dirge]

She directly states that the creature is one that basically devours and replaces the soul.

[zinc pivot]

The giant opera choir on top of cog core

[azure dirge]

Yk the three songs quest.

[delicate anvil]

oh, then yeah

[glossy badger]

It's bittersweet because she wanted to stop

[azure dirge]

Architect dies after you have those I believe, since the architects legacy has been passed on to Hornet.

[maiden meteor]

wiki only mentions buying stock and melody as triggers for their death

[azure dirge]

Architect couldn’t make another architect herself.

[zinc pivot]

Yeah i recall that
I wonder if thats why hornets witch crest doesn’t heal, but leeches off

And in fact is it a crest? Or a leftover bit of the parasite

[azure dirge]

It is a crest, formed from the parasite.

[maiden meteor]

Oh I just realized that Architect crest probably boosts Hornet’s tool proficiency enough for her to be able to fix tools mid combat

like she gets pumped full of that architect knowledge

[zinc pivot]

Yeah, maybe the parasitic curse was long enough to leave a permanent imprint on hornets own soul

[maiden meteor]

Hornet says she binded what’s left of parasite to herself

[zinc pivot]

Word by word?

[whole holly]

Reaper themselves may have been exceptional or worshiped? since they have chapels

[hidden crater]

and now you can become a FUCKING FLASHBANG

[zinc pivot]

Anw guys wanna see parasite abortion?
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[azure dirge]

I think it’s more so because Hornet won.

Hornet won against the parasite and so instead of it consuming her she consumed it, binding it into a crest.

Because Hornet was basically fighting against it consuming her.

[hidden crater]

We should have gotten a choice to kill the twisted bud in front of greyroot

[azure dirge]

Team cherry is too cruel

[zinc pivot]

So the parasite wasn’t exactly removed, but stabbed to death by the steel spines?

And hornet took her opportunity to immediately bind it?

[hidden crater]

Not cruel enough

[whole holly]

weird because both reaper and wanderer seem like regular bugs

[zinc pivot]

Or is it a more figurative thing

[maiden meteor]

“And yet, the parasite does seem to have been... unbound somewhat. Whatever remnant still lingers in my shell feels calmed, enough for me to claim its power as my own.”

[azure dirge]

I think the candles going out is kinda to show that whatever legacy was there, was gone. Also, the reapers crest is probably more so to represent what the bugs of Greymoor were doing, they reaped silk and collected the fallen silk.

[zinc pivot]

So it is some leftover parasite meat

[maiden meteor]

Reaper in Chapel was probably representing the idea

[azure dirge]

Yeah. If she hadn’t it probably would have come back to life and devoured her soul.

[zinc pivot]

I ponder at the effect it has on a vessel

[azure dirge]

If Hornet had been awake as soon as it was jammed into her she may have been able to fight it off too.

She gets knocked out cold so the parasite already had worked it’s way through her by the time she managed to rouse herself.

[azure dirge]

I was just wondering that too.

I think it might die. Though it could also become something horrible.

Wonder how it would effect Knight and THK

Versus an ordinary vessel.

[hidden crater]

When I first saw tipp and pill I thought they looked like cabbages

[zinc pivot]

They really do

[azure dirge]

Cabbage bros

[zinc pivot]

What the fuck are they

As in bug species

[edgy nebula]

Probably aphids

[brisk seal]

I thought their nostrils were their eyes and they just had weird looking headphones 😭

[zinc pivot]

Pale King in chat, time to pop out the apology form

[hidden crater]

oops they're dead now

[azure dirge]

Like shiny horn nubs lol

[hidden crater]

Come to pharloom bro the economy is in ruins

[edgy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/caesar-anthonio-zeppeli-jo-jos-bizarre-mad-angry-pissed-gif-15097694

[brisk seal]

bet, ima make the underworks into the overworks

[zinc pivot]

Come back to life your own daughter is adopting your love for buzz saws

[brisk seal]

and add free benches

[hidden crater]

At least pay the guy whos powering the entire citadel

[zinc pivot]

Didn’t he
Die

[brisk seal]

he'll get.. 2 rosaries

[hidden crater]

Not if you didnt go to act 3 yet

[hidden crater]

And love for flying things

[azure dirge]

Kinda ironic how Knight could almost have been THK. Wonder what would have happened if he was a step faster in getting up. It doesn’t seem like White Lady knew that aspect about Knight either. I wonder how that would interact with grey root curse.

[zinc pivot]

Imagine they could have
Twin Hollow Knights

[hidden crater]

What the fuck are spanish streams even about

[zinc pivot]

She would probably show disdain, but shes all cozy inside her bdsm binding and her seal

[hidden crater]

"No way your growing roots your just like me now"

[azure dirge]

White Lady would eat the grey roots of course to remove them duh

[hidden crater]

Asmr twisted bud mukbang

[azure dirge]

“You’re not MY child.” eats Knight

[hidden crater]

Roll credits

[azure dirge]

Then you have to fight the white lady

Inside the dream world

But the fight gets interrupted by the grey root curse

And then you wake up after defeating it outside and fine

[whole holly]

guys Vessels don't really resemble White Lady compared to Pale King, Hornet also resembles Pale King far more, are his genes dominant?

[edgy nebula]

Probably

[azure dirge]

White lady is a mycelium tree thing.

[whole holly]

or is this only true for some vessels

[whole holly]

She is root so can't vessels have their horns look like roots than mandibles? some do to small extent i guess, but at the end of day it is still mandibles like pale king's

[azure dirge]

I think white lady just takes a lot from who she reproduces with. Hornet probably has some resemblance to Herra since Herra has the horns too under that fabric it appears. We never really see her without the garbs and mask.

[azure dirge]

They are vessels.

They are hollowed out.

It might be more because of how they were born really.

Yk, since the eggs were tossed in the void and they died prematurely.

[whole holly]

that might be true, i wonder what non-hollowed out child of WL and PK would look like

[whole holly]

yup they can't grow, they don't have gender

[azure dirge]

Lost Kin seems to have inherited the wavy root pattern instead of being an upside down bug shell

[edgy nebula]

Whered his skin go?

[azure dirge]

Infection eated it all

How do you think Lost Kin even ended up like that

Think he tried to take on the infection somehow or hold it? Or do you think the little infection seed guys just crawled inside him and made him home.

[whole holly]

how does Hunter's Crest improve after it is evolved?

[azure dirge]

When you get focused you do more damage until you are hit.

[whole holly]

is fully evolved Hunter's Crest best?

[azure dirge]

IE a binds worth of spool. When it upgrades twice you can get two damage boosts if you don’t get hit. Getting hit resets the build up.

[azure dirge]

It is definitely one of the best.

[whole holly]

i like Reaper and Architect Crests, although beast Crest is not bad at all

[azure dirge]

Architects is the cheesiest. It’s a good nail but I think it’s only carried by it’s cheese, which kinda devalues the experience of the game.

[viscid ridge]

Same with wanderer. That one is way too op

[azure dirge]

Reaper is actually one of the worst crests, it’s just easy to use. Maybe even the easiest to use.

[whole holly]

to be fair spells are overrated they take your silk, tools are better and craftbind is great imo

[azure dirge]

Yeah. That’s the point.

Tools are insane. That’s why shaman crest is kinda mid compared to architect.

[whole holly]

that is reason it is best, especially wit longclaw and bind effect, charged attack and nail art may not be best though

[azure dirge]

It also has the crazy flame and charge attack combo tho.

But it’s nail is kinda meh overall I think.

[whole holly]

not if you get volt tool that upgrades skills and druid's eyes

[whole holly]

only shortcoming

[azure dirge]

Shaman’s crest is still only alright with those. It’s not terrible, but it loses out on tool notches and is reliant on silk and it can’t bind in the air.

It having the worst heal bind is probably what hurts it the most

[zinc pivot]

Why is this ss discussion 2 channel

[azure dirge]

How did we get into this topic?

Oh right somebody asked about how improved hunter’s crest works.

[whole holly]

we don't have enough lore about crests itself

do crests exist outside pharloom, is that Hornet's Special Skill to bind them

[cedar skiff]

its a weaver thingy

[whole holly]

all crest sources look like they emit soul

[cedar skiff]

at least the term crest is

[azure dirge]

No no crests exist outside weaver stuff

[cedar skiff]

its an expression of soul, the weavers just call it "crest"

[azure dirge]

Focus Crest on the Godtuner.

[whole holly]

but hornet is supposedly only one able to use different ones? right?

[azure dirge]

There are theories that the Kings Charm also has a crest embedded into it to focus the soul within it into the wearer.

[mystic fiber]

idk about the witch crest, it seems the remains of the curse

[azure dirge]

Hornet can bind crests together it seems within her to alter her nature.

[cedar skiff]

Hornet: You see one's nature, Eva? It is a skill far beyond bugs.
One not without cost. My sight perceives a bug only through the imprint upon their soul.
Hornet: You speak of their crest? That signifier of a bug's essence and their invisible yoke born through a lifetime.
Crest? Yes, the old Weaver term. A simple word to attempt description of something so profound.

[whole holly]

i don't think weaver's would call that crest

[azure dirge]

It’s a little different but not entirely all too dissimilar when you think about it and how the godtuners work.

The essence of the godtuners is to tune gods and focus other beings after all.

[whole holly]

basically we absorb crests of notable bugs and their nature, but when we bind everything else like Weavers and GMS our nature doesn't change because nature is shared right? we still absorb their SOUL and

[cedar skiff]

yeah the mechanics of binding and to which extent you can bind what confuse me all the same

i guess hornets nature does change when binding say a weaver, she does suddenly gain knowledge of some ancient art, just not to the same drastic extent as a different crest

[azure dirge]

Hornet basically gathers the essence of another and focuses it into a crest that augments her nature. She borrows their experiences and adds it to her own.

If we were knight you’d probably be able to dream nail the kinds of guys Hornet binds.

[quartz plinth]

Does have any dialogue when you try to leave pharloom during act 3?

[edgy stone]

Yeah basically saying she wont leave lace to die

[quartz plinth]

Thats kinda gay from her

[whole holly]

can we play dream nail if front of them i haven't tried

i am seeing Discord ad about perplexity right now

[edgy barn]

Pharloom*

[edgy stone]

I thought she mentioned lace too no?

[azure dirge]

Needolyn? Haven’t tried either maybe.

[edgy stone]

You can

I dont know the hunters as its really early in the game but I know wanderer and shaman have needolin dialouge

[whole holly]

have you seen Needolin Dialogue?

especially for Wanderer or Reaper?

[whole holly]

don't we have Hunter Crest by default?

?

[whole holly]

can you tell us what they are?

well i guess not

[edgy barn]

Beast:
"...Our foes...
...Our food...
...Life... Death... Nature...
...Remember..."

Wanderer:
"...Remember...
...We walked...
...We climbed...
...We fell...
...Once we wandered...
...The lands revealed..."

Shaman:
"...Our power...
...Our family...
...All ours...
...Remember..."

Witch:
"...Ours...
...Forgotten...
...New birth...
...Reborn..."

Architect:
"...As it was built...
...It shall not end...
...Our memories... Our record...
...Our existence...
...Remember...
...Build... grow..."

Reaper:
"...Remember...
...Praise their toil...
...Honour to the reapers...
...Sow and reap...
...Pharloom flourished...
...Gather... for the many..."

[whole holly]

how did you get Witch Crest? if you get it from surgery? is that Greyroot or cut content needolin dialogue?

[whole holly]

also thanks

[edgy barn]

Technically speaking that's the dialogue for the curse crest

If you play the needolin in the spot you wake up after being infected, that's the dialogue you would get

[whole holly]

that's why all of them say remember except witch crest i guess

[fallow spindle]

hornet is an opportunist

[whole holly]

yeah for sure

[warped badger]

Yo

Widow is half Weaver half flea. There, I said it.

[fervent sigil]

is plasmium an infection

cuz it would be interesting to see a wormways bug with all three infections

[whole holly]

in way yes

[whole holly]

Radiance's ,Lifeblood's and Silk Haunting?

[fervent sigil]

silk haunting yes radiance infection no

what i mean is void, silk and plasmium/lifeblood

[whole holly]

Void takes over Silk Haunting because of GMS being in void and regular Silk haunting and Void haunting can't occur at same time

[fervent sigil]

so it’s like a mix some sort of

[whole holly]

yes

i do think Plasmium Infection is very interesting though

[fervent sigil]

hm so a bug can have both lifeblood and silkvoid infection

[fervent sigil]

from what i know it’s caused by having too much plasmium

[whole holly]

well i don't know for sure

[quartz flicker]

Prediction: The Path of Pain equivalent will be located in Coral Gorge. Specifically, Blasted Steps & Sands of Karak as they existed in the past.

[whole holly]

yes, it is Plasmium Overdose more than infection

[fervent sigil]

i don’t see a wormways bug with plasmium having silkvoid

[whole holly]

prediction : Coral Forest, Verdania, Shellwood and Hunter's March will be Plasmified in Act 4

[fervent sigil]

isn’t there already one

or that’s more of a normal white palace parkour

[whole holly]

old hearts resurrected as well

[quartz flicker]

Path of Pain? No. PoP was DLC content in HK.

SS has no equivalent

[eternal sigil]

real Hallownest patriots have determined this to be true

[eternal sigil]

these guys sound like Mario speaking gibberish, love them dearly

[fervent sigil]

i meant a path of pain equivalent

[edgy barn]

Border Caves. Not as hard but they are the hardest platforming challengue and are refferred as such in-game

( "last test of fitness" in the Mr. Mushroom questline)

[quartz flicker]

Border Caves are their own thing. They're required to complete a sidequest and unlock an ending.

[lucid fossil]

counterprediction: path of pain already exists and it’s the entire game

[edgy barn]

Sure if you want to look at it that way.

Re-watching the Weaver Queen ending, and the idea of GMS not having enough silk to keep Lace alive and wanting to capture weavers becomes downright absurd.

It's pretty clear that this being has an insane amount of silk. A single bind fully re-fills Hornet's reserves and then she just keeps going and going.

If all that wasn't enough for Lace to live, then there is no hope for her after SOTV, which is obviously not the intention.

[lucid dirge]

the surface

its much shorter but its similar in level design

[quartz flicker]

The central mechanic of Sands of Karak just feels perfect for a Path of Pain style challenge.

[past cypress]

Surface is not White Palace at all. The Surface is far too mechanically simple to be White Palace levels.

[quartz flicker]

That + they could use the already existing Coral Gorge assets and Coral Tower enemies for such a challenge.

[warped badger]

When the real PoP equivalent arrives.... We'll know

[foggy fractal]

please TC add a colo plus white palace equivalent in a dlc

[warped badger]

Who's the critter from your pfp?

[foggy fractal]

me

[warped badger]

[foggy fractal]

I made it a long time ago so you can see some pretty signifcant mess ups with the line art

[warped badger]

It's cool, nice job

[sour sparrow]

what a unit

[warped badger]

Like a mix of the coral and docks big boys

[quartz flicker]

From what I heard, both Blasted Steps & Sands of Karak used to look like this during development.

It seems likely that TC will use these assets in DLC in some form.

And a Path of Pain equivalent makes a lot of sense.

[warped badger]

Maybe they'll reuse the map layout but discard the theme

[edgy barn]

Isn't that exactly what they did

[warped badger]

But I do hope it's in a memory or something like that indeed

[quartz flicker]

That's what I thought.

[warped badger]

Nah if you see the map concept in 2021 you can notice the coral gorge map is completely different from both blasted steps and karak

I mean it's way more complex and big...

I think for a future expansion they'll add more plasmium/wormways content and steel city related

[silk dirge]

fun fact verdania used to be where wormways was and it was originally designed to be an aspid area

i hope the coral area returns in dlc but i think its a good reminder be careful about idealizing a past bc aspid verdania was probably scrapped bc it was probably not great so same applies to why they scrapped coral gorge

maybe it looks cool in the trailers but maybe it was not actually that good and team cherry couldnt make it work out and it was scrapped

[eternal sigil]

honestly I would have preferred this over another desert level/zone in the interest of map biome diversity/variety

[silk dirge]

thats always a possibility

[eternal sigil]

Karak tells its story well enough but we already have Blasted Steps, and Wormways

[quartz flicker]

Karak being so desolate is extremely intentional.

[foggy fractal]

yeah I would've still perfered though if they changed up the plot instead so the areas would still fit in instead of changing the areas to fit the plot

[warped badger]

In fact I think karak becomes so interesting because they scrapped coral gorge, and we know what it once was

I'm happy with karak because it makes sense, so it has a purpose being in the final game

Well not happy, but content hehe

[dire sinew]

Hi Andy

[quartz flicker]

To me the existence of Lost Verdania as a memory is evidence that we'll see more stuff like that in DLC. Lost Verdania almost feels like DLC itself.

[dire sinew]

i prefer blasted steps tbh

[quartz flicker]

So many of the Coral Tower enemies would be perfect for populating a DLC Coral Gorge area.

I could see such a challenge being structured more like Lost Verdania, with a bunch of brutal platforming challenges you can complete in any order.

[desert cloak]

the heart bosses all felt like missed potential to me, idk how to describe

except karmelita that felt really cool

[sinful nimbus]

we could've gotten both

[sinful nimbus]

The bosses were all fun but it definitely feels like something was majorly rewritten

[subtle plaza]

bruh bilewater's equivolent looks so much smaller i wish we would've gotten this map 😭

[silk dirge]

nah i do not want real verdania anymore after learning it wouldve been aspid land

[sinful nimbus]

It could've been cool

[sinful nimbus]

Whatever it would've been I find it a lot more likely that it would have literally anything of note inside it unlike modern Verdania

[silk dirge]

yeah no i dont want 3000 spit squit variations

[subtle plaza]

honestly i feel like coral gorge and barnacle bay would've been cool, because i love silksong already and those just feel like more content that didn't make it in the final game

[silk dirge]

ok honestly i think this wouldve been cool

[warped badger]

Barnacle bay was directly under Bilewater tho

[silk dirge]

barnacle bay i think is going to be dlc

[sinful nimbus]

Laaaaaaame

[quartz flicker]

Are there examples of major Hollow Knight areas that never ended up used in any capacity?

[foggy fractal]

hey speaking of the heart bosses what do we feel about these cut organ sleepers that are seemingly tied to them

[silk dirge]

forest of bones

which became the marrow in silksong

also a bunch of shit got rearranged

[sinful nimbus]

Icons I'd assume

[quartz flicker]

I said never used in any capacity.

[limpid summit]

Snail Village

[sinful nimbus]

The dress one is interesting, maybe a cut character that would've remembered the Coral Tower

Princess Karak

[warped badger]

Was that an area or was it just the giant goofy snail in fungal wastes

[mental vale]

Question about hypothetical "Ghost Becomes Playable in Silksong" Scenario- based on Lore Implications only/primarilily

Would you prefer-
A: Ghost almost only ever takes 1 mask of damage from the majority of enemies- to emphasize the distinction of fighting prowes and tactics between Ghost and Hornet?
or B: Ghost still recieves 2 masks with the same freqency as Hornet- To emphazize how much harsher and alive Pharloom is compared to Hallownest- the Dead Kingdom?

[limpid summit]

I don’t think that was in wastes idr the trailer it might be

Ghost’s shell is stronger than Hornet’s

[warped badger]

What

[limpid summit]

It probably wouldn’t take 2 masks from a lot of stuff

[warped badger]

But are we talking about playing as ghost in the same game

Like just swapping model and moveset

[mental vale]

I'm visualizing swaping Model Moveset and Charm system personally- but it does occur to me that there may be other hurdles in transcribing the gameplay in said hypothetical

[warped badger]

Enemies deal 2x damage to hornet because of all the tools she has + 3 mask heal

[mental vale]

And I suppose that would be kinda odd to execute considering the Lore implications from the end of Act 3

[warped badger]

If that core mechanic is changed with ghost, dmg should be adapted as well

[mental vale]

I was primarily asking based on what said gameplay mechanics could imply towards the lore. more so that the direct balance of gameplay (even though ensureing balance would absolutley be a priority)

[foggy fractal]

I don't think dmg really says anything about the lore

[warped badger]

I don't know about that sorry

Though I'd love to play as WIDOW (any modders here?)

[torpid kayak]

Does Plasium drain the soul out of a bug?

[quartz salmon]

i havent seen these before do we have any other new cut content discoveries

[mental vale]

I would say no- given that I don't think it drains the Soul out of Ghost any point, and they are mostly made out of soul and void

[foggy fractal]

nah I don't think so
you can always go check out the wiki though https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Cut_Content_(Silksong)

[quartz salmon]

aight lemme see cause this page wss unavailable for most of last month

[sinful nimbus]

🥹

we have CORAL GORGE THEMES?

[foggy fractal]

apparently

[sinful nimbus]

It hurts

[edgy nebula]

canonically khann ruled half of pharloom so coral areas were probably bigger

[sinful nimbus]

Where do we get this information from

[quartz flicker]

More evidence of DLC content using existing assets, IMO.

[edgy nebula]

snail shamans, let me get the line

[warped badger]

It would be SUPER cool to get a pre-weaver pharloom mode