sk-lore

[azure dirge]

Well of course it’s not gonna prevent you. You can also do cursed ending. It’s player choice.

[sullen cave]

Yes, ||ripping out people's hearts as a means to an end (an end that's basically her trying to fix a disaster of her own making)|| is pretty messed up, regardless of the cause.

[dark rune]

and it circles back to the classic tragedy of the hollow knight series

it was necessary to trap gms, yes.

[azure dirge]

It is brutal. Though, it is gathering the strength of lost places. You are gathering the strengths of memories more so than the hearts themselves.

[limpid summit]

What I do like about act 3 is that it does force you to mercy kill someone

[eternal sigil]

True, though even if not her hormone networks + lingering respect by the other Skarr would probably keep peace between them and help make the transition to a new queen smoother.

[limpid summit]

Hornet understands the ramifications of what she’s doing

[azure dirge]

Potentially. Depends on how aggressive or honorable they are.

[edgy nebula]

there's also mottled skarr's needolin dialogue, talking about how all he's doing is for karmelita

[dark rune]

that had bad consequences, and now she needs to kill 3 wonders of the world to stop things from getting worse.

it is all necessary, and yet oh so horrible

[eternal sigil]

oh shit the dead guy under the arena?

[wind oar]

Gurr could just be one of the few Skarr to survive the haunting

[azure dirge]

Not kill them she needs to gather the memories of their power

[eternal sigil]

I tried needolining his corpse and nothing happened

[azure dirge]

Which does kill some of them

[edgy nebula]

yes, hes alive in the early game and sells you the fractured mask and curveclaw

[azure dirge]

Most of them are already dead though.

[eternal sigil]

oh damn, didn't know there were any non-hostile Skarr

[azure dirge]

Karmelita arguably being the least dead. Green prince might be a mercy kill too, seems like he wants it be reunited with his love in death.

[limpid summit]

Well tbf there’s another reason mottled skaar was killed

[edgy nebula]

he speaks in a foreign skarr language (and thus the item descriptions are also gibberish) so you can only needolin him to see what hes thinking

[limpid summit]

Regardless of whether he sold stuff

[dark rune]

true, but there's also a level of tragedy in going back in time just to kill things for a collapsing land.

[edgy nebula]

what? cause hes mottled?

[sullen cave]

In an effort to make the world better, they failed to look before they leapt, and indirectly brought terrible ruin to people who just wanted to live. And it never would have happened if it weren't for them.

Like father, like daughter.

[limpid summit]

He’s cowardly, if we taunt or swing at him he gets scared and hides and we have to leave for him to reappear
Poor dude

[eternal sigil]

Yeah, Green Prince would have been in the best health and shape to continue but has absolutely no will whatsoever to do so.

[limpid summit]

I mean it’s interesting how all 3 outcast skarr are mottled

[dark rune]

and at the end of the day, it's up for debate whether the kingdom wouldve been better off untouched

[sullen cave]

But unlike the father, the daughter actually tried to fix her mistake.

[edgy nebula]

theres a third?

[azure dirge]

Well, there is hope though. Hope that the land won’t collapse and these memories will make way for a better future. One without Hornet replacing gms and restarting the cycle, or gms ruling as they are

[limpid summit]

Or at least skaar with agency we don’t know about curveclaw dude

Yeah the guy with the sickle is mottled

[wind oar]

the mottled skarr is sick, maybe the Skarr were also using silk to heal their wounds which made them susceptible to haunting, and he’s peaceful because he forgoes treatment

[azure dirge]

His land is also completely dead. There’s nothing of his memory to recover compared to the skarr

[eternal sigil]

I think this is in there because of oversight frankly because the game expects you to get those three hearts, not GP's (

[dark rune]

yeah, there's hope. but look how much was sacrificed for this future. all of bone bottom killed, not to mention other things.

[ebon silo]

In assuming he didn't want to fight anymore PTSD?

[azure dirge]

Actually a lot of bone bottom survives.

[limpid summit]

From the wiki - “If Hornet startles Mottled Skarr - either by attacking him or the ground next to him, or dashing and hitting the wall behind him - he will dig underground to hide”

[azure dirge]

You can also save pilby

[eternal sigil]

Bone Bottom's population, or some of it, actually survives

[dark rune]

i saw the shop guy in bellhart

[limpid summit]

Most of bone bottom survived

[azure dirge]

Bone bottom survivors move to where the flea caravan is in start of the game

[dark rune]

thats it

[eternal sigil]

Menderbug guy leads the survivors to the site of the first flea camp in the Marrow

[limpid summit]

Pillby might even be alive too

[dark rune]

huh didnt know this

[scenic stirrup]

What is garmonds weapon called

[azure dirge]

If you do normal ending all of bonebottom dies, songclave too.

[eternal sigil]

yeah I only found it a few minutes before going to fight the final boss

[sullen cave]

I believe he called it a hornlance

[edgy nebula]

oooh, the curvesickle scout has needolin dialogue too

[azure dirge]

Really it’s the snail’s fault for not telling Hornet what they were doing. She could have been better prepared and avoided her or lace being taken.

[edgy nebula]

could "our mark is no curse" be referring to them being mottled? hummmmmm

[eternal sigil]

Oh also
What the hell is up with that random ass Skarr target practice room in Far Fields

[azure dirge]

That’s pretty cool.

[dark rune]

then again even the snails didnt anticipate gms holding on and not being consumed by the void

[azure dirge]

It upgrades the curveclaw

[limpid summit]

Not sure if it’s named but it does sort of look like an instrument in art

[dark rune]

looks kinda like a trumpet

[eternal sigil]

In act 1+2 there's a winged dude throwing spears, in act 3 there are more targets and a young Skarr who immediately disappears into the dirt when you get in view

[sullen cave]

As much as Hornet really should have asked for details about the big plan, the snails could have also been more forthcoming of details themselves. These damn bugs need to learn to communicate, dayum.

[edgy nebula]

is it a didgeridoo

[chrome atlas]

Hornlance, I thin

[limpid summit]

Oh I didn’t know about this
Maybe you’re right that the mottled stuff naturally makes them outcasts

[eternal sigil]

oh shoot

[azure dirge]

Yeah, and this is all because of Lace’s involvement and it wouldn’t have been so bad if the silk didn’t extend through all of pharloom, that’s what the void was climbing up and pulling pharloom down through since it’s all filled with soul.

[limpid summit]

Yeah I was gonna say or like a vuvuzela

[eternal sigil]

Do you have to hit the target multiple times with the curveclaw?

[limpid summit]

He’s got pipes maybe he plays music

[dark rune]

yeah, gms holding on and spreading silk up just gave the void a pathway to overtake the whole place

[azure dirge]

I don’t think Hornet was expecting to encounter the void ever again lol

[dark rune]

they were like "Gms didn't die? Inconceivable!"

[edgy nebula]

in act 3 the room gets 4 targets, if you hit all 4 with one curveclaw the skarr pops out and takes your curveclaw, if you rest and come back you gt the curvesickle

[azure dirge]

Also because the silk was just attached the way it was to begin with. Crazy how the void reacted to the soul in the silk though.

[eternal sigil]

yeah if Lace hadn't done anything GMS would probably have just acquiesced and died like Radiance. Instead the maternal rage kicked in and made everything infinitely worse

[eternal sigil]

oh shit cool, thanks

[azure dirge]

Of course would have taken Hornet with her.

[edgy nebula]

np

[sullen cave]

The Void is just stupid OP, apparently. Who knows how many gods that goop has swallowed before and between the games.

[azure dirge]

Ironic how tool upgrades don’t count towards 100%

[dark rune]

they saw their plan as foolproof, they thought it would just be like "gms gets put in void, now she gone. yay! and we all live happily ever after. great job team! everyone gives each other high fives"

[eternal sigil]

I am kind of glad tbh. Not sure how the hell you figure that one out without any clues

[azure dirge]

Regrets man. I think it also is just the counter to soul in general, probably is meant to maintain a balance of soul in the world. Or was at some point. Seems like it’s grown out of control.

[sullen cave]

Murphy's Law or something.

[azure dirge]

Kinda like how you figure out the mist lol

[eternal sigil]

I suspect they figured Hornet would balk at the plan if they told her it involved Void

[azure dirge]

Tbf they do pay with their lives to fix their mistake

[azure dirge]

Yeah that’s very true

Hornet also probably would

[dark rune]

you know the worst part of bone bottom being destroyed? the bridge that was supposed to help new travellers not fall down gets destroyed. i worked so hard to not break it just for it to be broken by grand mommy silk

[sullen cave]

Rightfully so. She'd seen first-hand the consequences of messing with it.

[eternal sigil]

That one actually gives you direct clues. Every room has the flies, and also importantly, silk spools. So you clearly need to use Silk in every room. What on? May as well futz with the needolin, and these flies are the only entities of interest....

[wind oar]

isn’t hornet also void? she would be okay with it

[azure dirge]

If you break it before the skull tyrant attack pilby dies

[dark rune]

nonoboboboboobboobonoononononoononono

[eternal sigil]

I figured it out blind and it felt really cool. I like the Mist

[dark rune]

i never broke it

[azure dirge]

Yeah, but it still felt awesome figuring it out on my own.

[azure dirge]

I broke it on accident

[eternal sigil]

there was a time, long since past, when bait could be believed

[dark rune]

how dare you

[eternal sigil]

likewise

[dark rune]

now new travellers will fall down before act 3

[azure dirge]

It’s not always bait some people just get confused I think.

[azure dirge]

Good

[azure dirge]

If you think about it if it wasn’t Hornet it would eventually collapse under some one else so it‘a better if Hornet breaks it

[sullen cave]

I broke it two playthroughs in a row. The first time it was bc I was hitting it forgetting I paid for it. The second was me dashing downwards trying to complete a courier wish for Bone Bottom. Honrnet smashed face first into that thing and broke it in one go.

[wind oar]

in my casual playthrough I never knew you could kill the wraiths, bc their damage noise sounds the same as their aggro noise.

[dark rune]

ig but.. it feels illegal

[sullen cave]

The Menderbugs looking at him like, "He's got the spirit. He a little confused but he's got the spirit,"

[dark rune]

new topic do you guys think the first scene of the opening is them coming right out of hallownest or have they been travelling for a while

[eternal sigil]

menderbug is kindly and stuff but he is kind of shit at building bridges ngl. I think they should contract out to that Sam Bridges dude, hear he can make a fine one

[edgy nebula]

probably traveling, my question is where the fuck they fell from

[limpid summit]

Hard to say cause the wastes is so similar and we don’t even know what direction Pharloom is

[edgy nebula]

actually wait no, the map lines up, nevermind

[sullen cave]

I'm of the opinion that they've not only been traveling for a while, but likely caught Hornet way outside of Hallownest. What's she even got to stick around for there anyway?

[azure dirge]

Crazy when he builds a statue of himself btw

[dark rune]

you mean this?

[edgy nebula]

they fell from blasted steps and thats why the holes there..

[wind oar]

Blasted steps, can’t you actually visit the bridge that broke?

[dark rune]

yes

[edgy nebula]

yeah i just realized this is (presumably) blasted steps

[azure dirge]

Well I think they were sent to Hallownest specifically to catch her. It’s not like it’s easy to find other places or go to other places. No reason to leave either

[edgy nebula]

yeah

[limpid summit]

Hornet got caught in Hallownest what she was doing there we don’t know

Maybe nursing THK back to health idk

[eternal sigil]

My first encounter with the Wraiths, I got the shit scared out of me and bombed it with most of my tool arsenal, then left the Mist for a while.

Second encounter I had Reaper crest and just jumped up and pogoed whenever they did the charge attack. Completely trivialized them

[azure dirge]

They were probably heading for sinners road to get up through bilewater.

[dark rune]

they are choral bugs so they wouldve gone the normal way

[neat sandal]

atleast Karmelita can live to witness her child free from the haunt after true ending. So it not very mercy kill

[dark rune]

that looks like a shell wall thingy out there

[azure dirge]

I realized the rooms were changing then realized it was endless and left thinking I’d find an item to get through it later, then came back after getting trapped in underworks because I had an epiphany about the silk fly guys and the needolyn

[edgy nebula]

my guess is they were heading for a bellway, since the fearful pilgrim mentions that bellways were used to transport carriages

[eternal sigil]

I do think the devs ought to add some kind of bonus content either for the last heart holder if you leave one alive after the ritual, or some use for the heart beyond as a memento. Maybe a unique tool you can make from it

[azure dirge]

That’s possible

The closest bellway is just across that bridge

Which makes it ironic since Hornet escapes there with the help of the silkfly

[azure dirge]

The heart shot

[wind oar]

the “normal way” consists of taking a detour into Shellwood, Bellhart, Greymoor, then down to The Marrow and Deep Docks to ring the 5 bells

[sullen cave]

Speaking of Karmelita, did Hornet consume the hearts for the spell, or did they fuse into her very being? Are the hearts in Hornet now or was their matter repurposed to form ||the Everbloom?||

[edgy nebula]

its the only real idea i can make ngl

[eternal sigil]

like, idk, planting Everblooms around the body of GP's lover's robot corpse. Talking with Karmelita about the future of Pharloom. Chatting with Seth. IDK about Khann, he is a crusty old warlord who is at best comatose

[limpid summit]

The hearts were consumed so Hornet could break into her memories

[dark rune]

the judge probably wouldve let them through

[limpid summit]

She got the Everbloom from her memories after talking to WL

[edgy nebula]

their energy was usd to form the red memory

[wind oar]

nah we fought the “last judge”, they were probably gonna fight an easier one like the third or fourth

[azure dirge]

Tbh beating seth is a straight good thing

[limpid summit]

In her actual memory WL probably showed her the flower after her first few lines of dialogue but she takes the time to talk to her because they can communicate in dreams

[neat sandal]

she take it to her home
for it's ambient sounds
better for her sleep maybe

[limpid summit]

I don’t think the choir would have had to ring the bells or worry about the judge

[wind oar]

idk the Nyleth music is pretty sad, feels like you’re doing a bad thing killing her

[azure dirge]

They were consumed to form her dream which then became the everbloom

[limpid summit]

That’s a pilgrim thing

Nyleth already passed

[sullen cave]

SHOT THRU THE HEART Could you imagine if we got a new tool based on the remaining heart we have, assuming we went for all 4? I'd want Karmelita's heart to leave spikes behind Hornet when she dashes.

[azure dirge]

It’s sad because she’s already passed.

[azure dirge]

What if it let you do that annoying buzz saw move she does in the air

[edgy nebula]

encrusted heart gives hornet conchcutter 2.0 (its just conchcutter)

[dark rune]

kinda like the different silkshots

[chrome atlas]

beast crest

[wind oar]

Red Memory truly is the “Avengers Endgame” of hollow knight. going back in time reliving all of the past adventures to retrieve a nostalgia bait side item from the first game

[sinful smelt]

is it true that at the end of true ending lil ghost is there?

[sullen cave]

I'm assuming that since you're asking you're okay with being spoiled?

[edgy nebula]

probably mask maker shenanigans

[wind oar]

||yah but he becomes big ghost for 1 frame||

[limpid summit]

Styx is interesting idk about Mask Maker who knows

Could be a customer

[edgy nebula]

skynx is even more interesting imo

[sinful smelt]

yh

[limpid summit]

Skynx imo yes exactly

It’s gotta be a Nosk

[edgy nebula]

scary ass bum

[edgy nebula]

why wouldnt it be luring in hornet then?

[sullen cave]

Then yeah. And so are the rest of the shades sans THK.

[limpid summit]

I dunno it’s full

[neat sandal]

where is this?

[azure dirge]

Maybe because it’s scared of her.

[limpid summit]

Or it likes silkeaters more

[sinful smelt]

so it is lil ghost? thats cool

[edgy nebula]

steel soul only

[limpid summit]

The only thing it says that’s not repeated Styx or Hornet dialogue is “someone save me”

Poor styx

[wind oar]

sinners road, where you find styx normally. but since silkeaters are useless in steel soul he gives you rosaries for them

[sullen cave]

Instinctual fear, perhaps? She is half-Weaver, and the Weavers of Pharloom are fkn terrifying.

[limpid summit]

Why Skynx is a Nosk:

Shapeshifter
Speaks in a stolen voice
Lack of Needolin dialogue mirrors Nosk’s lack of DND
Its name (Skynx) is just Styx with two letters from Nosk’s name in place of the t

[azure dirge]

Also wouldn’t be infected by radiance like the one in HK

[limpid summit]

It does speak and bargain but we’re never actually given an indicator that the Nosk we fight is some dumb beast

[edgy nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-sad-sad-flight-flight-frown-whatchu-mean-speed-gif-16301558380807666913

[limpid summit]

Considering it takes trophies

[sullen cave]

Right, so it would have common sense.

[limpid summit]

Yup

[edgy nebula]

well, nosks have hunted half-wyrms before (many to be exact)

[limpid summit]

So its possible that Nosk can talk

At least we got one Deepnest connection arguably the best one too

[edgy nebula]

skynx's voicelines sound like something familiar but that i cant put my finger on, ive heard it somewhere

really spooky now that i think of it

[wintry prairie]

Nosk is a shapeshifter so if his target can talk then they can talk

[azure dirge]

And Hornet is a much scarier bug than Ghost, at least on first inspection. Ghost was far less scary in appearance and is weaker initially like the other vessels.

[limpid summit]

Could be that Skynx is relatively new so it’s trying to scope out the area before tying up roachkeepers

[sullen cave]

Said half-Wyrms were likely unarmed hatchlings tbf, and it's not like Nosks were likely to have encountered Wyrms. There was exactly one in Hallownest and it died and became the PK.

[wintry prairie]

I don’t think Nosk is related to skynx tho

[sullen cave]

They likely had no clue what they were messing with.

[limpid summit]

I mean Hornet can speak and it just screams regardless of who it shapeshifts into
But its infected

So its screams could mean something

[azure dirge]

Not to mention most vessels were weak. Even Knight was initially and just proves to be better.

[edgy nebula]

fair

imagine skynx bossfight for dlc...

[wintry prairie]

I assumed it’s an attack meant to stun

[limpid summit]

In the deepest darkness, there are beasts who wear faces stolen from your memories and pluck at the strings in your heart. Know yourself, and stay strong

This mf 100% a nosk

[azure dirge]

Actually yk the reason nosk hunted vessels was probably because radiance was driving it to lure in and eliminate vessels.

[sullen cave]

You ever been screamed at? You better believe a manipulator of heartstrings would use a kiai to strike fear in their prey.

[limpid summit]

Not impossible though it could just be coincidence

Imagine if a bunch of steaks ran by you

Deepnest might have been a vessel escape route

[edgy nebula]

also where does skynx get his rosaries from
he just like, spits them out or something based off of the sound he makes

[azure dirge]

Vessels probably aren’t very nutritious. Most seemed rather untouched too.

[sullen cave]

Those steaks kick weird.

[azure dirge]

What if he mimics them

Counterfeit…

[edgy nebula]

didnt know skynx had access to cantrips damn

[wind oar]

kinda cool that Hornet’s mask changes when she kills GMS in Act 2, and her entire personality changes, becoming an evil monarch. Is this the only instance of characters changing masks outside of the MaskMakers and arguably Quirrel?

[zinc pivot]

What if thats what he got from eating other bugs

[wintry prairie]

Victims maybe?

[limpid summit]

https://youtu.be/e5Eo3jqXXtM?si=WqLutQCN77I21GAd I might be reaching but the sort of guttural backing in Skynx’s voice almost sounds like Nosk’s scream

[edgy nebula]

he spits out pale rosaries, no sinners road enemies drop those tmk

[limpid summit]

That’s pretty stupid but that’s not the strongest evidence at all don’t discount it

[zinc pivot]

It doesn’t have to be sinners road enemies

[sullen cave]

Aren't the red rosaries made of a common material with a simple pattern? It can't have been hard to make counterfeit money. So then, how did merchants tell the difference between counterfeits and genuine rosaries? Did the Choir rub their scent on the real rosaries? Seems scent-marking is a thing bugs do.

[limpid summit]

Masks are sort of just another word for face

[edgy nebula]

if skynx is a nosk why would he wear styx's mask upside down

[limpid summit]

Like not that they don’t have significance but Hornet’s face just changes cause she has GMS powers

[edgy nebula]

presumably styx's mask from his body aswell since his corpse is headless

[limpid summit]

Are we talking about the same nosk here

[zinc pivot]

There are shell rosaries and pearl rosaries in there, can’t be counterfeited that esily

[edgy nebula]

hollow knight's nosk didnt leave deepnest judging by the corpses

[edgy nebula]

hornet has no connection to styx in steel soul

[zinc pivot]

Again we don’t really know if skynx a nosk type

[edgy nebula]

i dont see why hed be using styx's face, especially styx's REAL mask

[sullen cave]

That doesn't really address red rosaries being too easy to counterfeit, unless they're like the $1 USD bill where the cost just isn't worth the effort and materials?

[zinc pivot]

This is just us throwing ideas

[edgy nebula]

fair i suppose

[limpid summit]

True but it’s not like we don’t think nosks can’t shapeshift normally

Maybe while its probing the area it’s just filling into Styx’s masks

[sullen cave]

IF they are a Nosk, does that imply that the Nosks have spread outside of Deepnest, or that they aren't native to Deepnest at all?

[limpid summit]

Well Hunter muses in his Nosk entry implying he hasn’t met that particular creature but he talks about its type

[wind oar]

not all characters have masks. Phantom wears a Mask but Lace doesn’t

[limpid summit]

So it stands to reason that there would be creatures like it outside Deepnest

Phantom’s mask is meta it’s a phantom of the opera reference

[azure dirge]

Well might be why basic rosaries aren’t worth much, and it’s not improbable making a real rosary is not easy. Not many could precisely manufacture them or carve them rosaries have unique carvings on them, intricate ones. By making a counterfeit you’d essentially just be making a real one.

[wind oar]

it can be both a meta reference as well as important to the lore

[edgy nebula]

phantom, widow, and first sinner have very similar voices, not super lore relevant (aside from maybe phantom since she isnt a weaver) but i picked up on it

[limpid summit]

Widow and FS are just both weavers I guess I thought that was weird

It’s not like every member of the same species has the same voice lines

And they’re not the same person

[sullen cave]

According to the Mask Maker, masks can literally change a person on the inside, leaving only fragments of the previous identity in the new identity. Was Phantom trying to be someone she wasn't? She certainly seemed unwanted by GMS, was she trying to win her mother's affection?

[limpid summit]

Phantom’s mask may have been a cry for help trying to get GMS to love her yeah

[azure dirge]

It could have been to reinforce her fading soul and identity since her body and soul were fading from the threads

Or it could be to forget. I think it’s more connected to her fading body though. Her identity seems pretty strong since she can project banshees though.

Which steal silk.

[sullen cave]

If that's true, then seeing that at some point she took it off, was she hoping to die, unable to bear her existence? Maybe that's why she attacked Hornet on-sight?

[limpid summit]

Her dnd is along those lines iirc

[dark rune]

yeah. rosaries are all about devotion. cant afford something? you arent devoted enough. all propaganda stuff. youd be "earning" your rosary if you made it yourself.

[azure dirge]

Yeah. Her description mentions how it seems she wanted to die a warriors death. She could also have not been wearing it to distance herself from what she was doing with the banshees, stealing soul and silk in the mists.

[wind oar]

the banshees look exactly like her too

[sullen cave]

Makes sense. Pharloom is, after all, the product of religion and government intertwining.

[azure dirge]

And polluting bilewater in the process.

[limpid summit]

That’s just a white square

[wind oar]

use dark mode

[sullen cave]

Bro fell for the fake pngs.

[chrome atlas]

it may not be intentional but this has gotta be the funniest post i've seen here in ages

[limpid summit]

💔💔💔

I get what you were tryna do though

[azure dirge]

Lol

[wind oar]

lmao

[sullen cave]

When the png ain't pnging

[azure dirge]

S tier joke

[wind oar]

looks like this on my screen

[edgy nebula]

i hope we get a howling wraiths boss in zoteboat

we've gotten soul master using ddive in hk and groal using vs in ss, now we need howling wraiths

[wintry prairie]

Lmfao

[azure dirge]

You think soul master is related to sprint and dash master?

[sullen cave]

Who out here with the family name Master?

[zinc pivot]

The Masters do have an exact same body type

[azure dirge]

They look roughly similar

[sullen cave]

But in all seriousness. Maybe? They have a passing resemblance.

[edgy nebula]

he DOES look like the dashmaster charm...

[lofty otter]

Phantoms mask is a phantom of the opera reference

[limpid summit]

I think TC just imagines a master as a big fat dude

Cause SM isn’t naturally that size

[sullen cave]

They all have a long face.

[limpid summit]

He’s bloated w soul

[lofty otter]

https://tenor.com/view/gerard-butler-phantom-of-the-opera-crying-in-the-snowfall-crying-snow-gif-18193106023546487859

[limpid summit]

Yup

[zinc pivot]

Use the statue
would be a better comparison

Oh cool

[limpid summit]

So Swift is the new sprintmaster

But he has a Dashmaster color scheme and he does dash

[wintry prairie]

Which is strange

[limpid summit]

He even dashes down which is exactly what Dashmaster lets you do

[sullen cave]

Round, Shortish legs, with cloaks for style, and resting bitch face

[edgy nebula]

swift is super cool but i dont like him purely cause of how weird his running animation is

also his wish icon looks ALOT like dashmaster

[azure dirge]

Maybe they were all the same guy Dun Dun Dun (unlikely since charms usually come from a bug dying.)

[zinc pivot]

And that motherfucker flies
In a sprint race

[limpid summit]

I love his singing animation he just sticks straight out

[azure dirge]

P sure it is just the dash master charm

[limpid summit]

And his timer bug is a parrot because the needolin makes it say the same thing as him

[somber shuttle]

lore channel finally exists

[edgy nebula]

okay, ehhhhh... but pretty similar

[limpid summit]

No it’s definitely meant that way

[wind oar]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hollowknight/images/e/e9/Sprintmaster.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width/360?cb=20171028131625

[limpid summit]

It looks like a combination between the two charms yeah

[wind oar]

looks closer to sprintmaster

[limpid summit]

Which is literally exactly what he is

[edgy nebula]

hmm

[limpid summit]

Maybe he studied under both bugs

[edgy nebula]

possibly

[azure dirge]

Looks like both mixed and put into the wish format instead of the circular charm format.

[wind oar]

Dash Master looks like a frog, like Groal and Soul Master

[azure dirge]

Maybe he’s related to them.

[chrome atlas]

SPRINTmaster swift
gets through most of his courses by flying

fraud

[edgy nebula]

in his defense, the building is too big for a simple footrace

[sullen cave]

tbf, Hornet has a magic spear to let her get places.

[wind oar]

you don’t even need to sprint to beat him, I spent the whole race just beating the shit out of him while walking at a leisurly pace

[sullen cave]

that's so mean tho

do it again

[edgy nebula]

i tried to od my best without hitting him but i did hit him on accident alot during race 3

[limpid summit]

Flying merchant 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[azure dirge]

Still technically physical movement ngl. Funny when you hit him with the harpoon though.

[limpid summit]

Race 4 I basically had to hit him I felt bad but I was on keyboard and mouse so clawline clutched up

[sullen cave]

holup race 4? Am I getting silkposted right now?

[azure dirge]

He has a fourth race and gives you a charm for it

[edgy nebula]

sprintmaster should immediately kill you and delete your save if you hit him more than 15 times during a race

[limpid summit]

“Ok you’ve forfeited enough get out”

[edgy nebula]

make him give you your $20 back too so you have to live with the shame of playing silksong for free

[azure dirge]

He should ascend and become soulmaster sprint and become void corrupted then you have to flawless him or he kills you and deletes your save.

[wind oar]

“sprint tyrant swift”

[edgy nebula]

lost sprintmaster would be cool as shit ngl

[edgy nebula]

sprint tyrant swift the great

[azure dirge]

LOL

Sprint Tyrant,

What a horrifying boss

[sullen cave]

Aw hell, here I go...

[limpid summit]

Aw I just found out Leth voiced Loddie

[azure dirge]

Better the. Seth’s challenges

[limpid summit]

I liked the mini game and his assistant was cute I hope they’re alive

[sullen cave]

Yeah, whatever happened to these two post-Collapse?

[azure dirge]

Does anything interesting happen with him or does he just disappear later in the game.

[wind oar]

a memento, not a charm btw

[sullen cave]

I went to their spot and saw no sign of them.

[edgy nebula]

died, methinks

loddie's lore is interesting though

[limpid summit]

Probably died

It is?

[rare meteor]

is answering the craw summons just objectively a bad idea lore-wise

[azure dirge]

What’s his lore

[limpid summit]

Wait like I must not know

[rare meteor]

it achieves literally nothing except some wanton genocide

[chrome atlas]

nah, missing a court date is illegal

[azure dirge]

It gets you pardoned for Genocide

[sullen cave]

I mean, Hornet would be walking into a trap.

[sullen cave]

With more genocide?

[azure dirge]

From that Genocide

[hidden crater]

He fucking dies

[wind oar]

he’s a flea, right? they love games!

[limpid summit]

The crawfather was leading the craws on a vicious path once you beat him they start bumming in your house so they’re chill

[azure dirge]

:D

[edgy nebula]

not entirely sure but one of his needolin dialogues is "old tribe's gone.."

[limpid summit]

Loddie is a ladybug at least visually

[wind oar]

but his head is flea shaped

[edgy nebula]

i assume his tribe either kicked him out or died

[limpid summit]

Aw

[hidden crater]

If flea shaped why ladybug

[sullen cave]

God forbid a girl has hobbies

[azure dirge]

Would be neat if you could direct him to fleatopia

[azure dirge]

If ladybug why fleashaped

[chrome atlas]

The craw species lives, they just take off their juror robes. It's not genocide.
You're summoned for your crimes, and the craws give you a trial by combat. You prove yourself innocent, else they'd probably keep hounding you and stopping you from helping save Pharloom.

[chrome atlas]

beard

[hidden crater]

If they let seth play whats stopping them from letting loddie in

[azure dirge]

Lore wise it probably makes the craws more peaceful too.

[rare meteor]

that makes me feel better. Oh well, time to finish my hunter's journal 🙂

[wind oar]

I kinda wish answering Craw Summons meant that the craws all became passive, sorta like obtaining the void heart

[azure dirge]

More like mantis lords

[hidden crater]

I always thought mooshkas moustache were his eyes

[chrome atlas]

Same here, it's assault after we beat Crawfather, we should be able to drag them to court >:(

[azure dirge]

Oh god I can sorta see it and I hate it.

[narrow sky]

it moves when he talks

[warped rapids]

Ok so this might sound insane but yall know skull tyrant he yells right but when he does it’s yellow like the radiance

[edgy nebula]

ngl if groal hates the citadel so bad why doesnt he just solo gms

[edgy nebula]

isnt it purple

[azure dirge]

Might be from eating flintstone or smthn

[rancid condor]

he can't fit in the elevator

[warped rapids]

No it’s orange

[sullen cave]

OH great, now the pensive emoji's eyebrows look like eyes and the eyes look like big nostrils, thanks Blocky

[hidden crater]

What no dlc does to a mf

[azure dirge]

Or he just has orange blood or saliva

[hidden crater]

IM SORRY

[warped rapids]

It could be

It’s just something I noticed

[narrow sky]

is sula steel soul zi's pet?

[warped rapids]

Wdym

[sullen cave]

Crazy how the Radiance be living in our head rent free outside of Hallownest too

[azure dirge]

You will be executed for your crimes

[azure dirge]

Y’all gonna bring them back and undo knights hard work thinking about them so often

[warped rapids]

Fr

[azure dirge]

Radiance really gonna move in rent free at this rate and then take the land deed and make you pay rent

[warped rapids]

Nah I am gonna live rent free in its head

[limpid summit]

Sula is zi’s “vassal”, steel constructs probably need a bug to accompany them cause the two we see sort of just turn off

Jiji and Jinn are friends Zi and Sula are not

[hidden crater]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-gif-23741516

[normal pivot]

So why did everything actually go to shit when hornet/the snail shamans tried to seal gms with The Void Trap or whatever
is it bc gms lashed out with her silk from down in the void (bc she wanted someone to save lace) and hence made the void go across all of pharloom and destroy everything?

[sullen cave]

That's more or less the gist of it, yes.

[narrow sky]

jinn proves once more why she's the goat

[normal pivot]

gms your dauhghter cut off your arm tho

[wind oar]

yeah but gms silk was already there

lol silk silk

[sullen cave]

Because GMS couldn't live with being forgotten and her daughter being taken from her, and because the Void eats shit.

It'll eat anything given half a chance.

[edgy nebula]

if hornet locked in and spammed cogflies during the snare cutscene lace wouldnt have had to intervene and act 3 wouldnt have been skipped fr

[normal pivot]

so so like
lace cut hornet free from gms as an act of rebellion or something so that gms couldnt get hornet's super special silk power or some shit right

[wind oar]

kinda feel bad for GMS and how every single child betrays her

[hidden crater]

The void is eating good, 2 gods for dinner

[chrome atlas]

i feel like, if every single child betrays her, then the fault isn't with the children

[normal pivot]

but even so gms was like "that's miy child someone save my child" and like doomed the entirety of pharloom as a result

[sullen cave]

Authoritarian parenting and trying to control another living soul to be your tool can only ever backfire.

[hidden crater]

The way she screams in the lost lace arena made me feel bad for her a bit

[errant hare]

I am so curious though about the consequence of what'd happen if Silk did get Hornet in Soul Snare

[normal pivot]

the n once she saw hornet get lace outta there then everything calmed down fro m the void bc gms withdrew all her silk from pharloom?

[scenic stirrup]

I have a bad idea chatters

[sullen cave]

Only a little. She was a shitty monarch and a shitty mother.

[errant hare]

like would she just claw out of the Abyss with a vengeance

[scenic stirrup]

Why didnt the pale king just populate hollownest witha bunch of his children 💀

[normal pivot]

bro would doom an entire country for the slim chance that someone would save her kid

[chrome atlas]

Basically. Once she sees Lace get rescued she stops fighting back against the void, and presumably gets eaten

[hidden crater]

GMS went from "cant stand hornet" to "HORNET TAKE MY LAST BIT OF POWER AND GET OUT OF HERE JUST MAKE SURE MY DAUGHTER MAKES IT OUT ALIVE"

[chrome atlas]

No cost too great.

[wind oar]

me too but her screams also messed me up soooo many times during the Juggling Flea Game, so she can go fuck herself

[scenic stirrup]

I feel like theres more spawns he killed than the ppl that died from the infection

[zinc pivot]

Abyss does thing to even gods

[normal pivot]

like, does that mean gms cared about lace as a child, or did she just want some part of her to keep living on

[sullen cave]

In her own twisted way, both. She lived through her daughter and didn't let her daughter be her own person, thus the rebellion.

[hidden crater]

What the void does to a mf

[zinc pivot]

From the silk heart dialogue she really is possessive of lace

[normal pivot]

i've completely forgotten the silk heart dialogue

[hidden crater]

This is so funny for no reason

[normal pivot]

bro is blending into the background

[hidden crater]

I didnt know phantom was bald

[errant hare]

I kinda do love the PK/GMS parallels of "their fatal folly that threatened to doom their entire kingdom was the fact that for all their divinity they couldn't help but love their child" even if in both cases there were massively messed up things about how that manifested

[sullen cave]

Kozeki Ui over here with the most diabolical thoughts.

"You get my child, you get my child, everybody gets my child!"

[narrow sky]

why does phantom just use the moves hornet uses in hk?

[normal pivot]

everybody gets A Child

(child crying in your pocket)

[zinc pivot]

What, needle throwing?

[wind oar]

“...Better a child spun pure... than them...”
damn is this about Phantom

[errant hare]

twisted bud moment

[errant hare]

I think it's about the Weavers?

[wind oar]

sure ig, but I thought GMS fucked with the weavers, they just didn’t fw her

[narrow sky]

i've forgotten what moves phatom uses im just going to watch the fight real quick

[normal pivot]

why are the weaver heads so massive
to like
store all their
silk
??

[sullen cave]

Narratively speaking, she seems to be the worst thing about the vessels combined with the worst thing about Hornet: A byproduct of a grander endgoal.

[normal pivot]

brains filled with silk

[sullen cave]

is this loss

[hidden crater]

Where could you possibly see loss

Loss drove you crazy 😭

[errant hare]

I think she was ultimately extremely salty about the implied "yeah all her 'first children' stuck her into a thousand year slumber with their music and ran away from home spreading the word about how terrible of a mom she was when they found out they were force-adopted in the meanwhile"

[wind oar]

she lost the baby

[sullen cave]

hornet breaking thru yarnaby's door, hornet deals with yarnaby, hornet with the pins for yarnaby, yarnaby standing by hornet on a table about to lose a baby

[wind oar]

epic abortion reference

[sullen cave]

(a baby she doesn't want but yknow)

I may be too far gone.

[hidden crater]

This fandom is worse then the deepest pit of hell

[narrow sky]

nvm idk what i was talking about

[sullen cave]

No no, you have a point. The silkspear and cross stitch moves come to mind.

Plus clawline.

[chrome atlas]

Phantom has a longpin throw, a parry with an attack, and a big telegraphed AoE, which are all what Greenpath Hornet had too

[zinc pivot]

Kingdoms Edge Hornet

[sullen cave]

Phantom was probably meant to be what Hornet would have become if she grew up with none of the love she grew up with.

[chrome atlas]

KE Hornet has stingshards, which Phantom lacks

[zinc pivot]

Also Phantom wields a long weapon, like Hornet
Have a head shape similar to Hornet
Heck with mask on she does resemble Hornet

She’s quite her phantom in many ways more than one

[sullen cave]

Poetic, then, that Hornet would finish the mirror match with a stolen rebuke.

[wind oar]

Phantom moves like Lace, who’s an anti-Hornet

apparently people who are good at hollow knight have a lot harder time against lace than newcomers bc lace punishes so many things (pogoing, aggression) that Hollow Knight fans used to bosses like Hornet are used to

[errant hare]

I really want a Phantom + Lace combined battle in a Godhome style DLC for Silksong and/or a 'Phantom in her prime' Elegy of the Deep style bc her current form is heavily implied to be literally falling apart and I'd love to see more interactions between them (not to mention it just sounds like a fun fight)

[hidden crater]

I thought phantom was a fake version of hornet

Red memory confirms that hornet suffers from schizophrenia/j

[sullen cave]

Well, no. Not really. Everything I said was from a surface analysis of character foils.

[narrow sky]

and benjamin button disease

[sullen cave]

Don't forget PTSD. You don't walk away from the Infection without a few mental scars.

[wind oar]

I want a Sisters of Battle version of Cogwork Dancers where you fight both Dancers and the Green Prince all at once,
and when the two dancers hug the prince just dies

[narrow sky]

also am i the only one who thought we were going to get a knight boss fight in the red memory?

[sullen cave]

Nah, the Knight wasn't nearly that relevant to Hornet's past.

[wind oar]

I was really hoping for a Void Entity final boss fight in the Abyss

[narrow sky]

damn

[sullen cave]

Or rather, Hornet's upbringing.

[hidden crater]

Final boss at pantheon of pharloom, trust.

[sullen cave]

Hornet would just barely win because it's still Ghost and Ghost just wanted to have fun with their sister (headcanon)

[wind oar]

nah that’s gonna be Lost Radiance

[narrow sky]

if we get a pantheon of pharloom are all the bosses going to be void infected?

[wind oar]

I hope not, the void attacks got repetitive way too fast

[hidden crater]

Meanwhile the hollow knight watches in the back with a bucket of popcorn in his hand

[craggy smelt]

oh my goodness yes

[sullen cave]

If we're going down that path, then the bosses would be shades of Hornet's memory of them. Ghost using Dream magic to extract Hornet's memory of the fight from them, and the Void to make copycat bosses for Hornet to fight. Filled with Soul so Hornet still gets Silk from every strike.

[flint wadi]

doesnt really jive with the story
lost lace bridges the void aspect with pharlooms fate, thematically it makes a lot of sense

[sullen cave]

Theatrically it would have been kino tho

[flint wadi]

lame

[flint wadi]

not really it derails act 3 from being about pharloom even more

[narrow sky]

ghost playing theater while hornet is fighting for her life

[flint wadi]

imo lost lace has enough theatrics with gms literwlly wailing in pain in the background

[wind oar]

yeah sure, I also like the yuri aspect of fighting a corrupted lace who became “lost” from saving hornet

[quartz salmon]

yeah i think its pretty obvious that when they do a boss rush dlc its gonna use the same logic as red memory and elegy of the deep where we delve into hornets mind and fight her memories

[wind oar]

lost lace fight is too kino imo, it’s too hard to see her all black sprite amidst her all black attacks and all black background

[hidden crater]

"Hey Hornet I turned into a god"
"GHOST IM FIGHTING FOR MY DEAR LIFE SHUT THE FUCK UP"

[errant hare]

weaver queen vs shade lord place your bets

its shade lord it's so shade lord

[heavy gyro]

what would the hall of gods difficulties be called in silksong

[errant hare]

I like Resonant for one

[narrow sky]

"hey hornet look at this cool new puppet i got"
“THAT’S A GOD”

[errant hare]

Cause music and harmonies and stuff

[sullen cave]

And Godseeker was all about attunement to some kind of resonance with the gods of Hallownest

[heavy gyro]

Clearly the no hit difficulty will be called grand mother

[narrow sky]

grand mother absolute grand mother silk

[wind oar]

I’m privy to “Great Grand Mother Silk”

[sullen cave]

If Hornet ever went through Silksong's version of Embrace the Void, seeing as she's a Higher Being too, what kind of god would she become?

[errant hare]

I think it would just be Weaver Queen ngl

[quartz salmon]

"pale mother"

oops didnt mean to respond to that

[hidden crater]

Nah absolute grand mother silk is just GMS on her death bed

[narrow sky]

i mean she kinda already becomes a god in the kill gms ending

[errant hare]

Lost GMS where all of her attacks are void thread. her silk net attack deals four masks of damage.

[ebon silo]

Man where did my lace go?

The humble GMS below the void:

[sullen cave]

She didn't seem to be very in-control of the fallout though. I was thinking more if Hornet was actually able to focus and control her newfound power.

[chrome atlas]

this feels threatening

[sullen cave]

There is so much chaos in that picture.

[narrow sky]

maybe she looks more wyrm-like

[hidden crater]

Anything to use this image bro

[chrome atlas]

this feels like you'd write someone's name of the styrofoam to curse them

[quartz salmon]

the silkwyrm

[sullen cave]

I don't think she would do that. She's stated in-game that she has no interest in becoming a monarch.

[narrow sky]

then she fucks a tree and puts 2 million of her kids in the basement

[quartz salmon]

that but make it white with 6 eyes and 2 little snouts

and it would be the hornet wyrm

[wind oar]

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/enter-to-find-sprintmaster-swift-in-silksong.jpg?q=49&fit=contain&w=750&h=422&dpr=2

do we know what this thing is btw?

could it be a wyrm?

[ebon silo]

Anything yes

[ebon silo]

That shit is not a wyrm 🥀

[sullen cave]

I don't think so. Too lifeless and powerless. Even PK's husk had some of his power remaning

[quartz salmon]

theres like 5 of these in that one cave

[craggy smelt]

we don't know what it is, but it's probably not a wyrm
some colossal ancient bug or beast

[quartz salmon]

and i think most of the ants armor is the skulls of these things but smaller

[wind oar]

looks kinda like the pale king’s head

[sullen cave]

Yeah, remember Bardoon? He's massive too, but he wasn't a wyrm.

[frank nymph]

k that does make sense and it cant really be disproven unless we see any other weaver children or weaver mothers

[quartz salmon]

thats not the pale king

[craggy smelt]

I wish there was more lore about those ancient corpses, and not just 'it's where Swift hangs out'

[sullen cave]

Chances are Karmelita slew them, earning her right as Skarr Queen, and the Skarr hollowed it out for food.

[zinc pivot]

I guess they were like dinosaurs

[narrow sky]

i was going to say it kinda looks like coloseum corspe but i don't think it has arms

[zinc pivot]

Or Dragons (PK is sorta draconic since hes a Wyrm)

[craggy smelt]

one of those other corpses looks even cooler, pretty sure it has arms

[sullen cave]

Right, the meds are kicking in. Gn yall, it's been fun.

[quartz salmon]

goodnight

[errant hare]

random theory I've had for a minute: thoughts on Hornet and the Knight inheriting some of PK's precognition? It's a theory I've had kicking around for a while now and Hornet's reaction to respawning on a bench or reloading a save after an ending offers a lot of support for it I feel

basically making non Steel Soul deaths and alt endings canonically possible futures that are perceived

[errant hare]

(She looks around startled and makes a "!?" sound, as if waking up from a vision)

[quartz salmon]

yeah it is kinda like that

canonically her deaths are probably like bad dreams

[mighty jolt]

Wait, is the clawmaiden (silk stealing flying spider robots) needolin dialogue straight from GMS?

...Your Silk...
...Your strength...
...Ours by birth...
...Ours by right...

Because they are described as puppets, after all, is that just GMS talking?

[errant hare]

given they also use Pale Nails, likely

[quartz salmon]

seems like it!!

gms also uses "we" in all her dialogue i believe

when you get the silk hearts

[errant hare]

the royal we, one might say

[mortal birch]

What is "Sister of the Void" implying? Who's the sister? Of the void?

[quartz salmon]

hornet, sister of the knight

[mighty jolt]

Hornet is the sister. The void is the Knight

[mortal birch]

aaaaaahhhhhh

wrong reply but that makes sense

[shell jewel]

Guys I have a question regarding the world record holder for the final boss, why do they always use grimmchild and glowing womb for absolute radiance? Is it optimal and can I get an explanation?

[mighty jolt]

A family of 10000000 siblings of which 1 is a sister and none is a brother.

[mortal birch]

I don't know the lore implications but i'd say it's to keep constant damage up

[errant hare]

#hk-help ?

[mortal birch]

I do wonder how dlc will connect the worlds further

if it will. maybe we see THK

[mighty jolt]

I'll be honest... I hope it doesn't.

A little cameo was enough callbacks for me.

[errant hare]

my bets are on a Lifeblood Plasmium DLC

[mortal birch]

true i kinda wish they kept them completly separate but now that they aren't.....

or maybe not completly seprate but not so direct

[craggy smelt]

we got to city of steel, turns out the steel clan kidnapped THK
gave them a steel arm and turned them against Hornet
THK cannot help but get manipulated...

[mortal birch]

True so many cut areas we might see

[mighty jolt]

My bets are that the DLCs will be pretty close to the original DLCs in theme.
1-2 that introduce new factions.
1-2 that add harder versions of existing boss fights.
1 that is whatever is the new godhome.

[mortal birch]

godhome needs to come first

they can expand it later but i need boss replay now

[mighty jolt]

If I were to bet on where they get added, Marrow is probably going to get some act 3 content; it's really empty in act 3.

[craggy smelt]

Blasted Steps reskin (Coral Gorge)
Barnacle Bay added in
Steel Assassins show up
some kind of Hall of Gods equivalent (not literal Godhome, something new)

[mortal birch]

even in earlier acts it kinda only really has skull tyrant

[mighty jolt]

Oh I also wouldn't be surprised if we actually get "Silk Soul" as initially promised.

[mortal birch]

an epilouge would be cool. bt they won't do it

[craggy smelt]

ten floor Coral Tower

[zinc pivot]

Almost like
Its hollow

[quartz salmon]

there are new lines about the bay area in the latest patch that werent there before, its primative but it looks like theyre already writting the code for that area

so i bet thats coming first

[craggy smelt]

yey

[zinc pivot]

I wonder if we see more cragglers in bay area

In the first trailer that was where it was stationed

[mighty jolt]

Adding a new area: "Coralseum of Pools", with 2 new enemy gauntlets ending in unique bosses!

[craggy smelt]

if they use the location for the bay that's in the code now, it'd be on the other side of the map from the worm ways

[quartz salmon]

naw silk soul is probably just what ended up being act 3
like it probably was just a void themed new game + with harder enemies and you start out with all the tools
the quest to enable act 3 is even called "silk and soul"

[zinc pivot]

So basically to the right of Bilewater

[quartz salmon]

yeah below it

[zinc pivot]

Hope the bay has some intersection with verdania

[mighty jolt]

So NE of far fields?

[ebon silo]

Team cherry forgot to change accounts

[zinc pivot]

We pray for at least a bit of survival

[craggy smelt]

hmm, trying to recall how Blasphemous did its NG+ stuff...
they had different modifiers for health and similar

[mighty jolt]

Below old verdania?

[zinc pivot]

Above

[quartz salmon]

fits in perfectly here (i believe soemone got the map piece to appear on the map by manipulating the code)

[mighty jolt]

Oh ok. That makes sense.

[craggy smelt]

cleaner waters probably, since it's below the Pale Lake area

[mighty jolt]

I wonder what the lore will be. Because it would feel weird to break from the trend of "the citadel totally fucked everything over" but at the same time if it's too messed up it won't feel different from the Ducts.

[quartz salmon]

yeah its actually perfect

[mortal birch]

are parts of pharloom above ground? there are areas with winds and snow on the left side of the map including sands, wormways, steps, and mount fay

wind and snow don't happen underground

nor does the rain in greymoore

[modest coyote]

It’s a bug game

[craggy smelt]

this is magical bug world

(also weather can occur in large enough caves, but magic bug world)

the corpse of the Pale Wyrm constantly produced wind in Kingdom's Edge

[quartz salmon]

i dont think theres an above ground everything is just in the dirt and in caves

[modest coyote]

This is a game about immortal magic bugs

Yes it can fucking snow underground in it

[mortal birch]

the weather in HK like the rain in city tears and wind in kingdoms edge had explanations

[modest coyote]

In case you forgot they also have robots

[craggy smelt]

no surface, no sun or sky
only underground bug kingdoms forever

[modest coyote]

And soul magic

[mortal birch]

why would they just suddenly forgo that in SS

[craggy smelt]

the water in Greymoor is draining down from Sinners Road/Bilewater, like City of Tears
one of the smart fleas mention the grey water is unhealthy

[mighty jolt]

Pretty sure the greymoor rain is just water from the areas above.

[quartz salmon]

that arent really robots because while they have cogs and hardware they also have little lumaflies in them that are souls of dead bugs

[mortal birch]

see that's cool. i was thinking maybe the snow is shedding from that moth bird thing but it's cold

so i really don't understand mount fay

[modest coyote]

We can’t do that in real life

[quartz salmon]

its not even snow its like dandelions but its still cold for some reason

[modest coyote]

Bill Gates does not got the technology to put his soul in a computer

[mighty jolt]

I think Mt. Fay is something we could get more lore for in DLC; it's very bare-bones at the moment.

[quartz salmon]

we can

im doing it

[modest coyote]

Gross

[craggy smelt]

it would be neat if there was some cooler (hah) mt Fay lore
that one section where you slide down was featured in the trailers but you don't really do anything there - sliding is like a failure condition for most of it

[modest coyote]

guys this game has a lava section but snow is too crazy?

[craggy smelt]

some magical reason for the cold would be nice

[mortal birch]

lava underground is commonplace in pop culture and real lofe

[craggy smelt]

I remember originally people didnt think it was snow and it was actually like fungal puffballs instead, that was fun

[modest coyote]

How does that work if the abyss is colder

[mortal birch]

snow is uniuqe and it's presence should be explained on

[mighty jolt]

I feel like there's so much room to add stuff to Mt. Fey; like almost every room in it is full of empty spaces that aren't used.

[mortal birch]

i don't know what's going on with mount fay, and then the winds and endless expanses perhaps the areas between kingdoms are like that area we see in the quirell comic and in the godhome land of storms. just wind and nothingness

and that's where the winds comes from

[quartz salmon]

well its weird since the snow is dandelions or spores and the ice is those regenerating magic crystals

but lava is just lava

[mortal birch]

yeah the snow doesn't really look like snow unless the characters are bug sized

which i thought they were confirmed not to be

but even then snow up close isn't fluffy

but could just be artistic

[craggy smelt]

Land of Storms had thunder and rain (and lightning) as well as gods of such... presumably they were responsible for the weather

maybe Mt. Fay has more secrets

[errant hare]

a higher being behind coldshard could be interesting

[mortal birch]

it's just very intresting me beacuse it's kind of definetly underground but there's weather

higher being of weather

[mortal birch]

my guess is it's lack of stuff like space

void is nothingness so it can't maintain heat

is the abyss infinite?

like is everything below it also abyss

[craggy smelt]

we can't possibly know, but given how spooky that would make things, I say 'yes'

Void all the way down

[mortal birch]

Nothing really says silksongs world has to be 3d

[errant hare]

the hollow knight worldbuilding discourse we aren't ready for: is the world round or flat

[mortal birch]

in fact it probably makes more sense thinking about it as a 2d world

[mortal birch]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-mind-reader-are-you-reading-my-mind-gif-12130474

[craggy smelt]

infinite plane
underground bug kingdoms forever
sandwiched between Void below
and above... I don't know, more ground? maybe it gives way to the dream realm eventually

[errant hare]

honestly the presence of lava ABOVE abyss is just so wild for me to wrap my head around lol

[mighty jolt]

It's 3 dimensional and infinite and all underground.

[mortal birch]

if 3d why 2d game

[craggy smelt]

like a perfect world should be

[mortal birch]

if lace is 100% silk what's the black stuff?

[quartz salmon]

hollow knight worldbuilding idea : i propose a world with buildings

[mortal birch]

her like stand? to wrap the silk around?

[errant hare]

that was my thought bc GMS has one too

[normal pivot]

eyeliner

[mortal birch]

My first thought when looking at GMS is she kind of looks like a sewing tool

her legs especially

[craggy smelt]

silk dyed black

with regret

[normal pivot]

what up with the surface anyway
the place with like the nameless town
there are a bunch of seemingly unevolved/non-sentient and harmless bugs up tjere

[mortal birch]

apperently not all bugs are born stupid but the bugs on the surface always are

[craggy smelt]

it's the layer above Pharloom
there was a town there once, but it seems like a lot of people got lured down into Pharloom by the Weavers, and the town fell into ruin

[narrow sky]

it's pharlooms dirtmouth

[craggy smelt]

ironically, it got ruined while the kingdom below was intact (relatively)

[normal pivot]

dirtmouth more like
soil..... hole.

[craggy smelt]

bone butt... wait

[mortal birch]

what decides if a bug is born with sentience? do they need to be in a kingdom? near a pale being? is it purely chance? it seems like every bug from the wastes between kingdoms is mindless ie the quirell comic and nameless town

maybe born to a sentient bug

so certain species are always dumb

[mighty jolt]

Genetics seems to be the biggest implication

[mortal birch]

and offspring of elevated species are always smart

[narrow sky]

i think of it like monkeys and humans

[mighty jolt]

It seems like most bugs are born stupid, some bugs can basically never be smart, and some bugs can only be smart when serving under a higher being.

[narrow sky]

what about zaza?

[mighty jolt]

As even despite the Pale King's beacon, many species were never uplifted. Meanwhile, some didn't need the beacon at all.

[mortal birch]

it seems like there are some bugs that got sentience from unknown means like the ants but i don't think that means there species were always smart

[mortal birch]

my theory with this is there are other pale being we don't know about that elevated other species long ago

same way GMS and TPK did

[mighty jolt]

My feeling is the ants are sentient always, but only in the later stages of their life.

[mortal birch]

it could be like yeah roaches are always gonna be stupid and mantises and ants are pretty smart

[mighty jolt]

They take many years to grow from the tiny ones we see walking in trails to the ones we see that just charge you to the actual weapon-wielding stages we mostly fight.

[mortal birch]

like based off real life intellect

[mortal birch]

this is a good point too

[mortal birch]

he's like a dog

i don't think he's actually sapient

[normal pivot]

i wish zaza could move into bellhart or fleatopia after garmond fckcufkinhg dies 😭

is there a mod for this yet

[mortal birch]

not do the sad dog trope

[mighty jolt]

His needolin dialogue indicates he's at least somewhat sapient.

[errant hare]

There's also a really fascinating addition to what we know about the bug-to-god scale introduced in Silksong in the form of the Elegy of the Deep rulers

[mortal birch]

It's preeeeettttyyy simple

its thoughts but they aren't that complex

[errant hare]

(Mortal, but possibly capable of elevating others and having some power similar to higher beings)

[mortal birch]

i'd equate him to a dog/horse intelligence

[normal pivot]

hors bug

[errant hare]

I feel like Vespa 100% would fall under this category for instance

[mortal birch]

i think he's meant to be his horse if he's meant to be don qiuote

[narrow sky]

didn't tc say that zaza is smarter than garmond?

[mortal birch]

that's meant to be a Don Qioute thing. like garmond is so dumb he's dumber than his mount

in a loving way obviously

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-garmond-zaza-knight-gif-17870101013838141146

[narrow sky]

i mean he doesn't seem that dumb

[mighty jolt]

The barnacle bay talk earlier made me look into cut content. It's interesting to note that they probably cut some of Zylotol's stuff because they cut barnacle bay; he was originally going to ask you to get blood from the creatures in the "swamps beside the sea" for his research.

[mortal birch]

the idea that a mortal man and his companion alone can take down god and its curse is a foolish one and it's what got him killed

it's a noble one but a stupid one

[narrow sky]

i guess that's true

anyway

i just realized that both hallownest and pharloom has butterfly performers

[mortal birch]

same tribe???

i wonder if the moths and butterflies were allies back when they were both around

i mean moths were the pharlooms weavers of ancient hallownest basically so maybe not

[narrow sky]

did the radience evolve lumaflies into moths?

[mortal birch]

i'm pretty sure she just made moths smarter iiac

[errant hare]

Oh Trobbio paired with Wisp Thicket also brought to mind what I'm going to call the Grimm Troupe Conspiracy; Father of the Flame's boss fight involves "burning the father" and its Needolin dialogue includes "Feed us, free us!" (Burn the Father, Feed the Child), and Trobbio is focused on "setting the flickering flame of Pharloom ablaze through performance and ritual", it feels like there's no way the Grimm Troupe didn't visit Pharloom in the distant past and leave cultural relics and practices behind

Especially bc it's definitely not lacking in fallen kingdoms

[mighty jolt]

Didn't the radiance create the moths?

[errant hare]

(Verdania, Karak, etc.)

[craggy smelt]

yeah, too bad, I feel like new lifeblood lore would be more palatable to some if the explanation was 'this goofball injected a bunch of shit into it'

[elfin minnow]

So basically the gay clankers r built to protect clanker town right

[mortal birch]

it's that he used far too much of it

[mighty jolt]

Yeah moths were created by the radiance:

The folk of my tribe were born from a light. Light similar to Essence, similar to that powerful blade, though much brighter still. They were content to bask in that light and honoured it... for a time.

[mortal birch]

that's raw

born from light?????

[errant hare]

they do dissolve into essence when they die

[normal pivot]

whats so bad about plasmium/lifeblood anyway
like yeah drink too much and you become like goop or some shit but like. more health lol

[mortal birch]

they're kind of like the vessels or lace and phantom then

[craggy smelt]

heretic~!

[normal pivot]

hrutgnghh blue goop

[errant hare]

Hornet's overdose dialogue (can't believe I can say that) with Yarnaby implies it warps your mind towards it the more you imbibe

[mighty jolt]

Notably not all moths do that; Markoth remained as both essence and a corpse.

[craggy smelt]

the mosskin of Greenpath were also created from the dreams of Unn the slug
seems to be a thing some gods can do

[mortal birch]

Mosskin, Vessels, Moths, Silkpeople all being made of a substance by a god

[heavy gyro]

Since hornet was able to create the everbloom by absorbing a lot of power or whatever, it seems that gods are so powerful they can create things out of their minds

[mortal birch]

Lace and Phantom are silkpeople now

[craggy smelt]

the memory of a thing made real and the thing itself... is there any difference, really?

[mortal birch]

It seems when you become so powerful like Vespa, Green Prince, Crust King , Neylth and Karmelita you become kind of a god or you attain a higher level of power

i do believe some people think Neylth is actually a straight up higher being

[craggy smelt]

it's kind of like charms too, some are described as the dying wishes of bugs made manifest
dreams becoming something real

[mortal birch]

Maybe it's a will thing

if your a bug of strong will that's actually tangibly powerful

[mighty jolt]

The fact I didn't have to do a no-hit no-fast-travel run from the chapel through the marrow through the deep docks through the abyss indicates that at least the memory is a lot less fragile.

[errant hare]

Okay so I was thinking about this too bc Sands of Karak has glowing blue godparticles (like essence for Radiance, flame for Nightmare Heart, soul for PK etc.), and you can argue Nyleth does too with pollen, but Karmelita has none whatsoever so even amongst the Elegy of the Deep rulers there's some sort of distinction going on

[mortal birch]

no you just had to kill the3 of the 4 most powerful beings in Pharlooms history (from a lore perspective)

not crazy at all

[mighty jolt]

Technically only 2 of them weren't already dead.

The other two you just kill the memory of.

[mortal birch]

are there any in verdania?

not counting pale stag room fuck pale stag

[fickle scarab]

is trobio related to seth?

[mortal birch]

?

[mighty jolt]

pretty sure this guy just said he thinks the pale stag is a pale being

[mortal birch]

oh he is and that's why it's significant. Green prince and his lover forged their love felling a god

Not all gods need to be strong

[errant hare]

Notably the 'Palestag' we fight is more of a Grey Prince Zote of what it might actually be

[mighty jolt]

I suppose we could get some more verdania lore when they add the pharloom bay.

[errant hare]

Hornet comments on it in its hunter's journal entry

[fickle scarab]

i was watching a mossbag video from before silksong released where he speculated seth and trobio may be related due to them both hearing "a voice" i mean looking at them they both apear to be the same species of bug

[mighty jolt]

They are actually the same person

Have you seen the two in a room at the same time?

[mortal birch]

i didn't peep the fluff thing

[fickle scarab]

trobio just wears glasses your so right

[mighty jolt]

Seth is just the Superman to Trobbio's Clark Kent.

[hidden crater]

SENSIMOOOOO

[mortal birch]

It was the first clover stag

[quartz salmon]

trobbio is a band kid

the voice seth is hearing is Nyleth

[mortal birch]

my theory is it created all the other clover stags and is the pale being of cloverstags

and hornet implies this isn't the form it existed in

[waxen turret]

I got through mist and into the exhaust organ, and fought phantom
||Before the fight there was a place where i saw the silhouette of Lace talking to (i think) phantom captured inside a ...glass tube?||
Whats with that?

[mighty jolt]

Phantom is Lace's sister.

[errant hare]

(No need for spoilertags in #sk-lore pretty sure!)

[mighty jolt]

Also, do you want spoilers, because it ties heavily into stuff much later in the game?

[waxen turret]

It did say that when i played the violin

[mortal birch]

I wonder what other beings GMS had made out of silk

[waxen turret]

I guess ill skip spoilers thanks

[mortal birch]

anyone else seem silkish

[fallen berry]

Is there a comprehensive library of all text found in Silksong, complete with metadata indicating source (e.g. which character (if applicable), ID, class, and location of lore tablet (if applicable)) and conversational context (reference to all other messages in parent sequence, from all participants)?

[mortal birch]

does the unraveled count as a person

if so they're siblings

[mighty jolt]

I think the weavers made the unravelled though. They were responsible for the whiteward experiments after all.

[fickle scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEpC3LBEfzU&t=50s check out this crazy phantom lace lore gang

[waxen turret]

Man idk the reveal was kinda surprising for me so i thought maybe i should put some

[left oyster]

The Unraveled wasn't made by GMS it was made by the bugs of the Whiteward

[hidden crater]

Nyleth sounds like a god damn xenomorph with those sounds

[mighty jolt]

More like made from the bugs of whiteward.

[left oyster]

You can hear it happening on one of the cylinders

[mortal birch]

GMS silk though

[left oyster]

Like in real time

[lapis geode]

Oh, so that flying disc is the one that got opened up?
The one that scream in the recording?

[lapis geode]

OooOOOOOh

[left oyster]

Yeah, Conductor Mizzelo

Well, one of

[mortal birch]

Same relation as an insemation baby i guess

[mortal birch]

i felt so bad for him

[left oyster]

True

[mortal birch]

bro didn't expect this when he took the job

[lapis geode]

So the procedure is to try to make him immortal.. I see.

[mortal birch]

all his other conductors are dead

[maiden meteor]

lofi beats to study to

[mighty jolt]

The unravelled isn't conductor mizzelo; it's just his corpse. The silk inhabiting it is a collection of countless discarded bugs that were fully consumed by silk.

[mortal birch]

wait who's the conductor we speak to in high halls

[errant hare]

I feel like it's also implied it's their souls that basically possessed the silk? Which is why it acts a little...differently than the silk controlled by GMS

[maiden meteor]

Ballador

[mortal birch]

what's his name

[lapis geode]

I thought the silk can ressurect and retain the original soul?
You made it sounds like the silk has its own consciousness.

[hidden crater]

Why is every conductor on life support

[mortal birch]

We're all the conductors doctors then or just the ones in white ward

[maiden meteor]

Penitent One is also theorized to be a conductor

but it’s kinda dubious

[mortal birch]

yeah that's where my heads at

[errant hare]

Well they're mortal bugs and Pharloom's really really old

[mighty jolt]

I don't think the conductors were the doctors; I think they were the primary patients.

[waxen turret]

Whats up with the puppet enemies? It seems like i killed them all

[maiden meteor]

Old Penitent*

[left oyster]

The procedures with Silk all kept becoming more and more invasive, until they made the bugs more Silk than anything else, losing all trace of their former selves. It's kinda sad.

[mortal birch]

heaviest burden.

or what was it highest burden

[lapis geode]

So the silk has its own soul, and that is the one
that inhabits their corpses?

[mortal birch]

something like that

[dapper rover]

This was probably done from the little thread heart you broke, it will stop the silk casters from spawning from there on

[waxen turret]

Yea i guess so

[left oyster]

More like the Silk caused all the souls to combine into one shapeless blob
Kinda like the Amalgamates from UNDERTALE, if you know you know

[left oyster]

They just old as fuck really

[mortal birch]

The mantle of conductor weighs heavy. Had I known the cost, before its bearing, would I have accepted the duty?

[hidden crater]

I wish theres a mod where you can obliterate kratt

[mortal birch]

Perhaps they were meant to be enhanced further and given bigger tasks and that's when they got sick and twisted

[maiden meteor]

after weavers dipped from Citadel Conductors were the ones tasked with keeping GMS asleep

since they’re Choir heads

[mortal birch]

i think this is also shown in the massive dish they all wear

it is literally a heavy mantle they are wearing

[left oyster]

Conductors were on the top of the hierarchy after Weavers left
So maybe it's heavy cause their numbers were dwindling out, whilst having to oversee a torturous kingdom

[maiden meteor]

and also having to sing GMS to sleep

Citadel’s song was supposed to never silence

[mortal birch]

is the threefold melody the one that kept gms asleep

[errant hare]

I mean I feel like it's pretty terrifying knowledge to find out your entire kingdom is built on the betrayal of the god you worship and if you mess up your job of keeping her imprisoned in slumber she's going to put you all on puppetstrings out of fury

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think so, it’s probably more of a password than anything

[hidden crater]

Will we get a scene where karmelita smokes a blunt and then fucking dies

[maiden meteor]

Imo general worship and singing is what empowered GMS’ chains

[mortal birch]

oh and she's actively working to and maybe 3 weeks away from waking up and putting you on puppet strings

[maiden meteor]

Ballador probably didn’t care at this point

[mortal birch]

and there's a tiny spider who says she's gonna go wake her up and kill her but if she dies she's gonna wake up and put you on puppet strings

[maiden meteor]

He just passed his part of melody to Hornet in hopes she’d be able to defeat GMS

[brave birch]

Canon karmelita death

[errant hare]

and who knows maybe when that spider wins and gets a little taste of dominion she goes "hmm puppet strings sound pretty cool actually" and whoops there goes your kingdom anyways

[elfin minnow]

Thats why her voice was raspy

[mortal birch]

and the people right next door who were supposed to guard you? you guessed it they're on puppet strings

[elfin minnow]

Also why does theballador look like the unraveled

[mortal birch]

weaver queen dlc would be so cool

[hidden crater]

She couldnt stop smoking smh

[lapis geode]

Anyway, why some female leader of some tribes become
ten times their size when their age?

When I see both Karmellita & Queen Vespa, never expect they're that hot at young

[maiden meteor]

Unravelled is other conductor’s corpse

[mortal birch]

they had the same job

probably the same species

[hidden crater]

If this crest will be usable then I'M GONNA DIE

[lapis geode]

Or maybe...
GMS also start as small before?

[left oyster]

Idk puberty but for old people i guess

[elfin minnow]

But unraveled is bunch of bugs put into one body no?

[left oyster]

Instakill every enemy

[mortal birch]

the silk is form other bugs but the base is a conductor

that's why he throws literal dudes at you

[hidden crater]

Bind at max silk to summon any boss of your choice

[left oyster]

I honestly kinda expected the GMS fight to last a bit longer and we'd use her crest against her like some kinda Super Hornet form or smth

[maiden meteor]

500 savage beastflies

[mighty jolt]

Unfortunately any time you hear any music it crashes to desktop

[errant hare]

Weaver Queen's Rune Rage spans an entire map region

[maiden meteor]

alas GMS takes THK’s place in Silksong

[hidden crater]

What slots could that possibly have

[left oyster]

500 silk skills

[ebon silo]

I think it's pretty obvious the first sinner is the first weaver right? I forgot how her fight is but does she uses pale nails

[lapis geode]

Summon red spikes and corals

[hidden crater]

Imagine its something like 3 silk skills, 2 tool slots, 6 blue blots and 8 yellow slots

[maiden meteor]

btw it’s interesting shaman crest works around silk skills

[left oyster]

She's the first Weaver to REBEL against GMS

[mighty jolt]

She's not the first weaver; she's just the first to rebel

[errant hare]

it's like Shaman but the top and bottom silk skills are just scroll buttons for every silk skill you've bound

[lapis geode]

They don't even let her die peacefully

[maiden meteor]

do silk skill and spells have same base mechanics?

[ebon silo]

Pretty ancient too

[mighty jolt]

Though I do wonder the timeline

[mortal birch]

wdym

[errant hare]

Well they're both implied to channel soul which seems to be a pale being thing

[left oyster]

Spells work on soul, Silk Skills work on Silk that work on soul

[maiden meteor]

Like, are they functionally similar lore-wise

[left oyster]

So basically the same I guess except you need to be a weaver

[mighty jolt]

Why did the weavers leave the First Sinner imprisoned for the duration of their reign?

Or was she imprisoned after they ran away?

[mortal birch]

i think so but i also think silk skills are literally made of the silk

[hidden crater]

Will my crest upgrade if I kill these gay robots

[mortal birch]

like for example parry you are coating your needle

[maiden meteor]

So Weavers kinda engineered Shaman spells independently?

[mortal birch]

thread storm

[maiden meteor]

Yeah ig having tangible soul material makes it easier

[errant hare]

Unironically it could very well have been that First Sinner simply would not stop trying to kill GMS if left free and the rest of the Weavers were like "girl. please. we're running an operation here." and First Sinner was all "OFF WITH HER HEAD DOWN WITH GRAND FRAUD SILK" so they kinda had no choice

[mighty jolt]

The whole citadel timeline is super wonky.

• GMS upgrades weavers
• ????
• GMS goes to sleep
• ????
• Weavers create elaborate system to keep her asleep
• ????
• Weavers run away, conductors take over
• Haunting
• Citadel falls.

But those 3 ???? timeframes are super vague.

[ebon silo]

Y'know how exactly did hornet knew the names of someone like phantom or did she just deadass wrote phantom because it looked like one for all we know phantom is actually named shoe

[maiden meteor]

I think FS might have planted a seed of doubt in Weavers which led to rebellion

[maiden meteor]

she just read Phantom of the Opera

[mighty jolt]

Clearly it was just on Nuu's hunter journal already with a vague visual description.

[maiden meteor]

I wonder how she knows Lace’s or GMS’ names

[ebon silo]

Would still be same then how did nuu knew her name

[mighty jolt]

From the big title screen saying "Grand Mother Silk" that blocked her vision for a short bit.

[ebon silo]

Would be crazy if it was hey what's your name and that was it

[maiden meteor]

“Radiance” might as well be made up name cause who names themselves this

[ebon silo]

Actually no how would nuu get to the exhaust organ anyway

[errant hare]

I was thinking about this earlier like for all intents and purposes it's ENTIRELY possible that neither Hornet nor Lace know each other's names by the end of Sister of the Void LOL

they just keep giving each other mocking nicknames

[maiden meteor]

“So uh, Lace, are you?”
“No wtf it’s Karen”

[ebon silo]

Hornet calls her child so obviously she doesn't know her name iirc same goes for the other sooo

I mean really for all we know phantom is actually called shoe so that's why lace is called lace

[hidden crater]

"Ok now what do we do poor little morsel"

[maiden meteor]

Imagine Hornet having to do yet another Abyss escape post-ending

[ebon silo]

With lace on the background parkouring with you that would be sick

[errant hare]

thinking about it, do you think Hornet and Lace could pull off sick combo silk skills? Given that Lace can probably empower Hornet's spells same as GMS (to a lesser extent)

if they could get along for 0.2 seconds

[maiden meteor]

btw, if we count Abyss escape sequence, it seems like Pharloom is much higher up that Hallownest.

[hidden crater]

Imagine the entire abyss gets flooded with void only for the shade lord to tell hornet to go back to her bellhome

[errant hare]

Oh 100% and the lava might be the reason why if we assume irl physics

[maiden meteor]

which means Dirtmouth is likely not the surface

[errant hare]

bc lava makes the crust rise so Pharloom could just be situated on a literal hotspot

[robust wagon]

Maybe Pharloom is just in a really tall mountain

[errant hare]

given Mount Fay this is entirely plausible

[maiden meteor]

Mt Fay us weird

[half cobalt]

yo anyone got any idea what happened to the hollow knight after the last games ending? is there any mention in silk song?

[maiden meteor]

snow is not snow (again) and ice is magic

[maiden meteor]

Act 3

[hidden crater]

I wish I knew flintslate reset the frostbite timer before doing the mount fay climb

[mighty jolt]

That's the knight, not the hollow knight

[maiden meteor]

oh wait right

[errant hare]

and for that matter we now know it's the definitely not hollow Knight lol

[half cobalt]

i got all endings am not talking abt the knight, am talking abt the hollow one

[maiden meteor]

Yeah I think THK is just chillin in Hallownest

[craggy smelt]

no specific mention of THK, but they could still be around

[maiden meteor]

yeah mb

[errant hare]

I'm 99% certain THK is alive in Hallownest yeah given we don't see their Shade with the rest

[half cobalt]

aight gotta wait anothter 7 years for The hollow knight reawakens ig

[hidden crater]

I wish we could have at least gotten a glimpse of THK in red memory

[craggy smelt]

steel dlc
steel clan gets to them
gives them a new steel arm but turns them against Hornet

[mighty jolt]

I have no clue what he'd even do. The only thing THK cared about was his dad, and he is very MIA.

[maiden meteor]

THK would never

[obsidian quail]

Weavers imprisoning First Sinner is a theory that’s popular in here but not confirmed

[maiden meteor]

erased completely more like

[craggy smelt]

thk always being manipulated, can't catch a break

[ebon silo]

Why in hell would they imprison one of their own

[errant hare]

THK rebelled against a higher being actively possessing them in full and held on for generations I feel like manipulating them is a bit of a difficult task

[half cobalt]

dead...right?

[maiden meteor]

because FS questioned their divine origin

[craggy smelt]

steel clan got some crazy shit for those that don't obey - 'Compression'
even pale beings are vulnerable

[hidden crater]

Idk about you he shows up in the reunion dlc