sk-lore

[sinful nimbus]

And of course I would discount an idea because I don't believe in it that's.... how disagreeing with people works 🥴

[lethal burrow]

I knew I should've said fellow

[lethal burrow]

that's not how disagreeing with people works actually

[obsidian quail]

egyptian mythology is my favorite it’s so cool

[lethal burrow]

That's something different

lol

[torn basalt]

besides the roaches, I suspect that the habitants of nameless village were legit just vibing and minding their own business before GMS or another force compelled them down underground. Like, either they were there and excavated down and found the citidal (early version, just developing) or the influence of silk string reached up to them and brought them down

[sinful nimbus]

If I disagree with the notion I'm going to express that

[visual ibex]

Do we know anything cool about phantom and trobio? (There my favorite bosses)

[sinful nimbus]

Do you expect me to say its a viable interpretion or whatever when its clearly not true

[lethal burrow]

Expressing that you disagree and completely discounting an idea are two separate things

[limpid summit]

Phantom was a former creation of GMS a being made out of silk like Lace

[obsidian quail]

now that i see it i want to ask because it does look very inspiring, also isn’t Ra winged and the Radiance is winged

[sinful nimbus]

I disagree because the idea holds no merit and is therefore discounted

[limpid summit]

She was a failure for whatever reason so she was sent to the exhaust organ to play the organ

[torn basalt]

trobbio isn't dead and will make a comeback (my hope)

[lethal burrow]

seems like you're using circular self justifying logic

[rugged lotus]

Agreed

[sinful nimbus]

How

[obsidian quail]

don’t THK and PK give each other a little cute father son look

[limpid summit]

Trobbio doesn’t have much he’s just an aspiring actor who uses the mirth of the haunting and then the sadness of the void as performances

[rugged lotus]

Best mythology

[obsidian quail]

wholesome

[visual ibex]

🤞hopefully

[limpid summit]

But he’s still alive so maybe he’ll get some DLC focus

[rugged lotus]

Yes

[limpid summit]

After tormented you can go back to the arena and he’ll flip up a trapdoor but scream when he sees you

[sinful nimbus]

To clarify I don't think the idea has no merit because I disagree with it I think it has no merit because its contradicted by the game & is completely unsubstantiated

[rugged lotus]

He's not he is just there still

[obsidian quail]

how do u get this

[sinful nimbus]

Which is how the word "because" works if that wasn't clear

[torn basalt]

I reallllllllly heavily speculate that the ladybugs, trobbio, and the flea circus will all combine into a dlc 'grim troupe'

[lethal burrow]

but people have substantiated it and it's not contradicted by the game

[sinful nimbus]

How is it substantiated

[visual ibex]

I saw him “die” but now he’s gone where is he? (And I hope he’ll make a comeback in a dlc)

[obsidian quail]

also ra is winged and radiance is winged

[sinful nimbus]

And it is contradicted by White Lady's dialogue

[rugged lotus]

Just after you fight him renter the room and hell look around and then go oh no I'm supposed to be dead and then hide

[visual ibex]

K

[rugged lotus]

He's a very good actor

[obsidian quail]

how do u see trobbio after u fight him as tormented

[rugged lotus]

🙂

[torn basalt]

in the first fight he's just preforming dead, if you walk away without leaving the zone and walk back he drops back onto the floor and moans a death noise again, and in the second fight he legit goes under the stage and then also throws the second mirror out kinda like a 'o shit right I almost forgot to give you this' moment

[rugged lotus]

It's official hollow Knight is a fanfic of Egyptian mythology

[rapid fractal]

trobbio is the strongest in the lorehes clearly immortal

[torn basalt]

you know for how good of an actress trobbio is (yes I said actress bwahahahahaha) I'm kinda surprised the props and attacks she uses actually do damage to you, if anything I think it's kinda a missed opportunity to not have her do like a 'cut cut cut, I'm not supposed to win you are, again from the top!' as you lose last mask before you reset positions and 'bench-recharge' before making another attempt

[rugged lotus]

Nah de just has armor made of the spikes you can pogo of around the map and just does all this for show

[obsidian quail]

i thought the strength misjudged was the capacity to keep staying pure?

[lethal burrow]

"Its supposed strength was ill-judged. It was tarnished by an idea instilled"

these are the exact words.

The second statement relates to the first, but is not framed as a correction, there's no "however" or "but"

If anything it's supposed to be affirming the first.

It was tarnished, its strength was ill judged.

From this, there are only two clear interpretations I can see.

Either she is saying
A. that its strength was ill judged because it was able to be tarnished.
or
B. She is speaking after the fact saying that at the time it's strength was ill judged because after they bound the vessel it didn't work, and that in retrospect, it was tarnished by an idea instilled at some point, which is why it didn't work.

I think both interpretations are possible but I am partial to the second one because I think it's more interesting and narratively satisfying and it gives proper weight to the path of pain, and even though in the other interpretation, the path of pain isn't necessarily meaningless It still doesn't feel like it has the narrative weight the game treats it with in my judgement.

[sinful nimbus]

What's the distinction

[lethal burrow]

So I don't think it's fair to say it's contradicted

[sinful nimbus]

If a "pure" vessel is able to be tarnished it's bound to happen in the eternity of its existence thus rendering the concept of purity meaningless

As purity is about being able to contain The Radinace indefinitely

[lethal burrow]

And so we come again into the ages old purity discussion

[sinful nimbus]

She asserts that its purity wasn't adequately evaluated and then elaborates in the next sentence its not ambiguous

[silk dirge]

ts is so sad my shift is over so now i have time to experience this channel

[rugged lotus]

Well the pure vessel is the hollow Knights dream of himself so of course he's perfect and "pure"

[sinful nimbus]

I'm not talking about pure vessel for one
For two that's not accurate PV is a past version of THK and isn't pure either

[rapid fractal]

all this to defend the pale king

[silk dirge]

why do i feel like the most correct option is muting this channel who tf said this was a cool channel this is so bad 😭

[sinful nimbus]

I will never stop fighting the good fight 🗣️

[silk dirge]

we have the same fucking discussions every day

and they never lead anywhere interesting

can we discuss something new for a change 😭

[foggy fractal]

yeah this channel gets very heated instead, should've called it warm

[rapid fractal]

this is the silksong channel aswell

[obsidian quail]

the 2nd one does hit

[rugged lotus]

I mean I said a while back that hollow Knight might be a fanfic of Egyptian mythology but I guess that's not interesting

[silk dirge]

i remember someone once said to avoid hk lore channel and i see why they were correct now 😭

[lethal burrow]

you have only recap the sentences, but you doing that is not the same as you explaining how you've come to your conclusion from the sentences themselves

[obsidian quail]

hey we were having a good time alanis

[silk dirge]

i mean its not like i was doing much better getting my brain rotted in silksong discussion

[sinful nimbus]

Reading comprehension?

Do I need to explain how words work

[spark valve]

star this is a hollow knight server you should know better than to expect that

[rapid fractal]

lowkey yes

[silk dirge]

why did i ever discuss silksong outside of terraria mod of redemption discord that thread is so chill

[rugged lotus]

Ya that was fun/funny discussion I was just saying that towards his statement

[rapid fractal]

the lore is always vague so youshould explain your interpretation

[silk dirge]

this place is just hell 😭

[spark valve]

you can just leave then instead of complaining

[silk dirge]

i want to steer this channel into productive discussion

[rugged lotus]

Agreed

[rugged lotus]

Ok plz do so

[silk dirge]

but it seems people like having the same discussions over and over

like silksong lore is genuinely interesting

[rugged lotus]

Start a discussion then plzzzzzzz

[silk dirge]

but like i want to see interesting shit get discussed

[rapid fractal]

lets discuss the lore of the big bird on mount fay

[lethal burrow]

you forgot not everyone is you and we're not psychic.

people have different interpretations.

if you feel like it's a bother from us 'lowly illiterates' that you must go through the hassle of explaining how you came to a conclusion as opposed to us just blindly believing it, then I am dearly sorry but you will have to put up with such a hassle.

[chrome atlas]

big bird is just a little guy

[rugged lotus]

THEN START A DISCUSSION

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-dog-taco-hamburger-hot-dog-taco-hamburger-king-dedede-gif-11106422028468874087

[silk dirge]

we can discuss maybe the cut slab cutscene

[rugged lotus]

Yes plz

[silk dirge]

it doesnt show much but i wonder how much cut cutscenes there are

[chrome atlas]

Bro's old though, it was mentioned by the little Weaver tourist board

[rapid fractal]

but hes quite big

[spark valve]

fayforn is old, probably not unique, and the weavers thought it was cool

[silk dirge]

https://youtu.be/A1avf5wudUY?si=Lofpx_LwEK2apHUW

this is pretty interesting

why did they remove this

i mean it doesnt show much new stuff

but i dont see why they removed it

[spark valve]

there's nothing to say about that it's basically entirely vacuous

[rapid fractal]

boring

[lethal burrow]

because people can't agree on anything unless it's with the purpose of creating dogmatic tribes to fight each other with

[rugged lotus]

Ya I think that's just before hornet wakes up in the slab

[silk dirge]

actually wait that does lead to an interesting discussion

[teal drift]

i for one find super stubborn people doing THK purity discourse super interesting. Keep it going girls.

[silk dirge]

why is hornet able to escape the cage in the slab

[rugged lotus]

That's Abt it and it was just replaced by the gameplay version of the cutseane

[silk dirge]

im honestly kinda interested

[rugged lotus]

The chain was really old and didn't have any seals on it

[foggy fractal]

maybe they did it in favour of the cutscene we did get in game, which isn't specially animated, maybe its to flow better into the gameplay or make it look less grand or smth

[silk dirge]

i feel like in the opening cutscene possibly the envoys had ringing bells that put hornet in an unconscious state

[rapid fractal]

the cage did have a seal tho no?

[rugged lotus]

And once the cage hits the ground the seals get broken bc the cage gets broken

[foggy fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZvHGj8Vs6Q

[sinful nimbus]

Interpretation A: Its [The Hollow Knight's] supposed strength [purity] was ill judged [ was not adequately evaluated] [as] it [The Hollow Knight] was tarnished [lost a desirable quality] by an idea instilled [this could either refer to Radiance or The Hollow Knight's desire to save the kingdom ]

Interpretation B: Its [The Hollow Knight's] supposed strength [purity] was ill judged [not adequately evaluated] [as] It [Their supposition of its purity] was tarnished [changed negatively] by an idea instilled [this could either refer to Radiance or The Hollow Knight's desire to save the kingdom]

[foggy fractal]

she just shook around a bit till the chain holding the cage broke

[silk dirge]

bc we know music has a big role in setting stuff to sleep

[lethal burrow]

"haha wouldn't it be funny if we made Ari do another cut scene only to delete it"

[obsidian quail]

i think it’s only bad if u take yourself too serious

[sinful nimbus]

There is no way to dumb it down further beyond explaining the definitions of words

[obsidian quail]

we all just love hollow knight u know

[wary zinc]

why are all the pharloom bugs intelligent like hallownest, they don’t even have a wyrm’s beacon?

[silk dirge]

yeah but it doesnt seem hornet was conscious at all in the opening cutscene until the lumafly dude showed up

[spark valve]

not everything that is intelligent needs a wyrm beacon to be

[silk dirge]

here she clearly is able to wake up despite the rune cage

[teal drift]

I think once you pick a contrarian position to defend and then mindlessly parrot it, this channel goes crazy hard.

[rugged lotus]

They are also just guides the bells probably are just symbolic bc we see them in the citidel as well

[winged trench]

Pale king was lying to keep people in his kingdom, there are various other ways to gain sentience in the hk world

[wary zinc]

the default is “no brain bug” so like then what’s special about pharloom

[edgy barn]

Why doesn't Hornet get taken straight to GMS when captured by the wardenflies?

[spark valve]

nothing is special about pharloom intelligence can evolve on its own

[teal drift]

I mean there are many tribes that have intelligence wholly independent of wyrm influence

[foggy fractal]

idk she looked pretty conscious to me

[rapid fractal]

the lumafly in the opening cutscene apears to break the seal

[silk dirge]

they could be but im interested in why hornet seemed unconscious in the cage there where she clearly wakes up in the slab

[spark valve]

weavers got intelligence from gms but the other pharloom bugs are just like that

[wary zinc]

nah that’s bullshit

[rugged lotus]

The grand mother silk is the beacon for the minds of pharloom

[silk dirge]

she looked like she was in some sort of trance

like she wasnt in control

[spark valve]

...no that's established even in the first game

[silk dirge]

like if she was fully conscious why wasnt she trying to bang around the cage and escape

[wary zinc]

okay yeah that makes sense, she’s vaguely pale right?

[teal drift]

I am personally of the belief that pilgrims are given their sentience by a GMS beacon similar to the pillbugs getting it from PK, but there are 100% tribes that dont need a pale being to be sentient.

[rapid fractal]

i think at that point she just knew she couldnt get passed the seal

[teal drift]

e.g coral, ants, mantises, mosskin, the list goes on

[winged trench]

She is a pale being

[rapid fractal]

or its possible it was draining her and thats why she has noabilities

[foggy fractal]

I mean everything we say its gonna be guess work or interpretation unless theres dialogue saying that the rune cage that brought to Hornet was stronger or smth or the ones in the slab are weaker

[lime nova]

Just made this, Hornet's family to scale

[rugged lotus]

The runes on the cage in the slab were much less powerful than the ones on the cage ment for the power of the weavers bc that cage was quite literally made for her

[silk dirge]

she clearly looks like shes in some sort of state tho

[foggy fractal]

is fs really that big ??

[silk dirge]

yeah i think that could also be a good explanation

[winged trench]

What about the other weavers

[lime nova]

Ye she lorge

[teal drift]

I assume other weavers are just similar to FS in terms of size

[lime nova]

These are all the ones we see

[rugged lotus]

Do u know Abt the secret room in the cradle

[silk dirge]

but i think its an interesting thought that possibly the envoys could create a song that put hornet in some sort of trance

[craggy smelt]

rip on Vespa

[rugged lotus]

That's what I mean

[teal drift]

The real question: why does Herrah look so different? (ignore that the answer is blatantly "retcon")

[lethal burrow]

that's just you explaining the sentence again.

I didn't ask you to explain the sentence again.

people clearly draw different interpretations from those words that are not contradicted by those words, you've seen it you have to have.

you have to understand that people have and probably will continue to draw interpretations from that dialogue that are different than yours and that your interpretation isn't the only one,

therefore:

simply explaining what the dialogue is saying is not adequate because your interpretation is not the single only logical obvious interpretation, you explaining the dialogue is not the same as explaining how you came to your conclusion.

[spark valve]

yes even hallownest weavers got sized up for red memory

[rapid fractal]

ate alot of flies

[lime nova]

That's a close family friend. The White Lady is the only one here that isn't blood related to Hornet, and she's her stepmom so she counts

[craggy smelt]

she got that baby weight

[silk dirge]

this also brings up an interesting discussion on different ways weavers dress

[lethal burrow]

I've just been choking it up to birth

[rugged lotus]

Nah you see her shaking in that cutscene clearly trying to resist but the seals of binding keep her still

[sinful nimbus]

You cannot draw any logical other interpretation from that sentence

This is why I asked you to exercise reading comprehension

[silk dirge]

bc the weavers in red memory wear certain clothes that are different from what they look like they wear in pharloom

[teal drift]

weavers do seem to have variable physiology, but Herrah is like... really extra. It's ultimately due to a retcon but im sure they can give us some handwavium in the future.

[rapid fractal]

use other evidence from the game tosupport it

[rugged lotus]

And being a pale being in half part she keeps her mind in the land of storms between kingdoms

[lethal burrow]

that is demonstratively false based off of hundreds of conversations in both lore chann

[obsidian quail]

i wanna be a blackwyrm cuz wyrms are cool

[lethal burrow]

This just reads as you insulting anyone who disagrees with you

[sinful nimbus]

There are hundreds of conversations about the earth being flat that doesn't mean its true

[silk dirge]

so i wonder if weavers who left dress differently to differentriate themselves

[lethal burrow]

there's also 10000s of conversations about the earth being round did you know?

[silk dirge]

also can we talk about how first sinner fucking weaves her dress right in front of us

[chrome atlas]

aura

[silk dirge]

i think a lot of trans girls would kill for that power

[rapid fractal]

you two take it outside pleasse

[sinful nimbus]

The amount of conversations says nothing about if the idea holds merit

[silk dirge]

including me

[sinful nimbus]

(Hopefully this should be obvious by the amount of people who believe the earth is flat)

[rugged lotus]

Probably ya bc they regect their birthplace

[spark valve]

star at this point they clearly aren't worth the attention it's probably bait anyhow

[sinful nimbus]

Its not an insult to ask you to engage with the relevant text

[rugged lotus]

Aura

[rugged lotus]

Real

[silk dirge]

i wish i had that much aura

[teal drift]

im confused about what the argument is even over but im more than happy to see this yapping end

[silk dirge]

i would be happy if this channel stopped yapping forever and actually discussed interesting things

i think i might have too much hope

[rugged lotus]

Also she stand over you after she beats you

[rugged lotus]

To the brink of death I might add

[silk dirge]

i think the first sinner entrance makes me wonder was hornet weaving her own cloak in red memory

[teal drift]

also I cant find a clip online of the First Sinner fakeout where they pretend she's like the other weaver statues. What does the dialogue say?

[silk dirge]

i think she was

[silk dirge]

instead of daughter of a distant land it says "half daughter of a faraway land" or smth like that

[rugged lotus]

Ya it was in her lap and was a test of her weaver heritage

[rapid fractal]

whats the lore on why first sinner followsGMS

[silk dirge]

the weaver racism is wild 😭

[rapid fractal]

not her

[chrome atlas]

Give me a moment

[rapid fractal]

widow i meant

[edgy barn]

I do remember it begins with "half-spawn" rather than "Daughter". Not much beyond that

[teal drift]

guys lets start productive discourse. Lets go to our pre-established topics

1. Morality debates about GMS vs Weavers and PK infanticide
2. Did the PK wrong the radiance?
3. Did GMS or the Weavers imprison FS?

[limpid summit]

"Half-spawn of a distant land...
Within this cage I have waited...
Let my strength be bound to yours...
Reclaim the future of our accursed kingdom..."
This is it right

So FS isn’t entirely dead right

[teal drift]

I think that's right. I just was curious how it was different.

[obsidian quail]

i thought we said no more discourse on number 3

[lethal burrow]

none of them hold merit to you because they aren't your interpretation.

this is why I said your logic is circular.

you disagree with the ideas because they hold no merit and are therefore discounted and they are discounted because they are allegedly contradicted by the dialogue, but they're only contradicted because they don't match your hyper specific interpretation that you perceive as the mono-truth, so therefore it's because you disagree with them and therefore they hold no merit and etc

[silk dirge]

the fact she uses the word "spawn" is kinda interesting

[limpid summit]

Half spawn implies a degree of awareness

[rugged lotus]

Well she was a gift to herra so she physically needs a good amount of weaver heritage to be fit for her role as next of kin for 2 monarchs

[silk dirge]

bc spawn usually has a negative connotation

[limpid summit]

So true…

[sinful nimbus]

They aren't my interpretation because they are contradicted by in game evidence

[silk dirge]

anything but that

[limpid summit]

I applaud TC for making such an immoral protagonist

[foggy fractal]

uh oh

[silk dirge]

and multiple other topics

[obsidian quail]

do u guys think Pale Wyrms are stronger than regular Wyrms

[teal drift]

I remember when I first played I thought FS was being a bit sarcastic

[limpid summit]

Bold choice

[lethal burrow]

But you have failed to demonstrate that

[lime nova]

I suppose I could add the standard weaver sprite to this, but I also wanna add the cast off shell

[edgy barn]

There's something abou the way that "Half-spawn" reads. It almost sounds like a slur to me.

[silk dirge]

yeah

[sinful nimbus]

I did

[limpid summit]

Could be the equivalent ig

[teal drift]

I think I would buy this easily

[rugged lotus]

Yes they would have to be

[sinful nimbus]

You can scroll up to me explaining what the words mean

[lethal burrow]

no you just paraphrase the sentence and acted like it did.

but it didn't

[silk dirge]

like whenever someone calls another person a "half breed" or smth like that it usually has a pretty negative connotation

[limpid summit]

I think it’s more to distinguish FS as a more aware entity than the other automated Weaver messages

[obsidian quail]

it’s not a slur she’s just half weaver

[sinful nimbus]

If you don't understand that words hold meaning and can be objectively interpreted there isn't much to say

[rugged lotus]

Yes very derogatory at best

[lime nova]

Paleness doesn't seem to be a familial trait, it seems to denote a power or connection to soul

[spark valve]

she's also just got ill will to other weavers they could be similarly aware and just have different outlooks

[obsidian quail]

why do u guys say Pale Wyrms> regular Wyrms

[teal drift]

tbf, being a pale being also seems to bind you to a certain unavoidable will, so its possible the nonpale wyrms actually have more freedom of choice

[rapid fractal]

spawn is used alot across allof HK

[silk dirge]

i mean for all we know all wyrms create pale beings

[rugged lotus]

And the pale beings have a right to rule as well

[silk dirge]

we dont actually really know whats up with blackwyrm

[lethal burrow]

you're just asserting that the words contradicted, but the words don't though.

you explain the meaning of the words and act like the meaning of the words, contradict the interpretations, but the.... they don't? at all? They're still very compatible.

[chrome atlas]

"Half-spawn of a distant land...
Within this cage I have waited...
Let my strength be bound to yours...
Reclaim the future of our accursed kingdom..."

[silk dirge]

void wyrm possibly?

[teal drift]

Wyrms have sorta godlike powers, pale beings have sorta godlike powers, it makes sense that a pale wyrm would be BIG power

[limpid summit]

Wait I sort of get what you mean but in what sense

[obsidian quail]

u all know i don’t think FS is antagonistic towards other weavers or vice versa but we can agree to disagree

[rugged lotus]

What the blackwyrm

[teal drift]

blackwyrm is speculation bait. Void wyrm is my best guess.

[silk dirge]

void wyrm sounds sick as fuck

[lethal burrow]

rain world no way

[obsidian quail]

is Void Wyrm even possible

[silk dirge]

i kinda want to see it now

[silk dirge]

i have no idea

[spark valve]

the weavers left in pharloom other than fs are the weavers who remained as their grasp over the citadel was dying, i.e. part of the same faction that sealed fs away herself. She probably doesn't like them very much

[silk dirge]

it just sounds cool as fuck

[sinful nimbus]

The Hollow Knight never being pure contradicts the notion that it was pure at one point and then lost its purity somehow
As does the fact that purity would be meaningless if it could be lost

Not that the idea that THK's purity was lost at some point had any evidence in the first place

[teal drift]

also do yall think there are more kinds of essence besides nightmare and dream essence?

[rapid fractal]

i dont think it couldbe as im not sure the pale courtcould fight that

[silk dirge]

i mean isnt there like green essence related to unn

[rugged lotus]

Depends how long the void was corrupting it for

[teal drift]

ohhhh great point. I wonder what that essence is.

[rugged lotus]

And the moss kin yes

[obsidian quail]

i do not think Weavers sealed FS and i do not think we should treat that as fact, but i respect that view

[silk dirge]

i wonder if all higher beings related to dreams have their own form of essence

[chrome atlas]

There's blue-tinted essence bubbles in the lifeblood area in HK's Abyss

[glossy badger]

Same I think the other weavers found first sinners claims to be offensive even if they knew she was telling the truth

[chrome atlas]

(Though, curiously, not in the Wormways)

[teal drift]

I think so too

[sinful nimbus]

What does that mean

[silk dirge]

honestly i thought wormways lifeblood was related to lifeblood being attracted to void or smth

[chrome atlas]

That's my theory too

[obsidian quail]

a Black Wyrm sounds cool as fuck

[spark valve]

wormways isn't a dream abyss lifeblood room is

[teal drift]

each pale being seems to have its own sorta "element" (silk, soul, probably ore), so it makes sense to me that each dream god has their own type of essence linked to them

[barren beacon]

Why would it be?

[silk dirge]

abyss lifeblood room

in hk

[barren beacon]

What about it

[rugged lotus]

Bc the higher being that made lifeblood isn't resideing there unlike in the abyss in HK

[edgy barn]

I personally think Blackwyrm is not a wyrm at all. Is spelled "Blackwyrm" and not "Black Wyrm", which is unlike the pale king who is referred to as "Pale Wyrm" and "White Wyrm".

[silk dirge]

this was before i talked to zylotl or whatever his name is tho

but its an interesting thought

[obsidian quail]

can all Wyrms use the power of dreams or is that just a pale thing?

[lethal burrow]

now we're getting somewhere.

I must ask, is unalloyed gold pure gold?

[silk dirge]

the fact its in the abyss

[teal drift]

it could also literally just be a wyrm that encroached on hallownest and happened to be black

[barren beacon]

Could be just chance, I don't really see why it would be attracted to the Abyss

[rugged lotus]

Yes to the gold thing

[edgy barn]

Pale beings aren't inherently connected to dreams.

[silk dirge]

higher beings that interact with dreams (radiance and nmh ofc, unn, possibly lifeblood creature) all have their own form of essence

[limpid summit]

Oh as in she says half spawn instead of daughter out of spite rather than specifics?

[rugged lotus]

I think chance to

[limpid summit]

I’d buy

[silk dirge]

what "own form of essence" actually means i dont know

[rugged lotus]

They are actually opposite to them

[silk dirge]

but nightmare essence seems to be different from like radiance essence

[teal drift]

pale beings seem to create a dream realm relevant to them, but they're not fundamentally gods of dreams like radiance or nightmare heart seem to be

[sinful nimbus]

Kinda? My metallurgy knowledge is surface level at best

[barren beacon]

Well, Some are Purple, Some Are Red and Some Are Green. It's all weird

[obsidian quail]

between Hornet’s Silk mindscape and the Pale Beings in HK i thought they have some control over that realm

[sinful nimbus]

Purity is more comparable to an unsinkable ship though

[spark valve]

so does bretta

[teal drift]

like GMS and PK both give hallownest/pharloom a distinct dream aesthetic due to their presence

[silk dirge]

ok so then yeah i dont think it means anything then

unless

[sinful nimbus]

As in if it can be sunk its not unsinkable even if it wasn't sunk beforehand

[chrome atlas]

higher being bretta confirmed

[silk dirge]

bretta higher being???

[lethal burrow]

for purity in the terms of the pure vessel, are we using the real life word purity or are we using an in-house definition for the games version of it specifically

[teal drift]

yes. this doesn't really contradict my claim

[sinful nimbus]

Purity in the context of HK refers to being able to contain Rad indefinitely

[vivid kernel]

Which hollow knight ending leads onto silksong

[spark valve]

the only god that has like a special unique domain in the dream expanse is nh and that's because the nightmare realm specifically is cut off from the rest

[spark valve]

ambiguous between dnm and etv

[vivid kernel]

Damn

[teal drift]

bretta has her own flavor of dream realm she creates, PK and GMS have their own flavor of dream realm, because PK and GMS are more powerful it encroaches into other people's dreams too.

[vivid kernel]

that’s cool though

[chrome atlas]

(Also I do know metallurgy! Using real-world definitions, 'unalloyed' would mean 'pure', as any contaminants that would bind to gold would by definition make it an alloy)

[silk dirge]

i dont remember a gms dream realm

[sinful nimbus]

Nightmare essence is associated with a specific type of thought although this is not true of any of the other dream based higher beings

[lethal burrow]

but what determines being able to hold her indefinitely?

as it's impossible to determine that after the fact, considering it's supposed to be indefinite.

[teal drift]

I think the silk stuff in cutscenes is a reflection of GMS in the dream/memory realm

[sinful nimbus]

What?

[silk dirge]

ok wait im kinda curious how does this relate to a "pure nail"

i assume probably metallurgy stuff how the nail has no imperfections

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[silk dirge]

honestly nailsmith is a pretty interesting character

[chrome atlas]

Yeah, Pure Nail is probably metallurgically pure, I.E it's entirely processed pale ore and isn't mixed with other metals

[obsidian quail]

so clarify, why does Battle of the Blackwyrm not mean there was a Blackwyrm

[teal drift]

in the same way the PK's castle architecture is reflected in Hallownest's dream/memory realms, GMS' cocoon is reflected in the memory realms of Pharloom. They're powerful beings who effect the dream realm due to their sheer largeness.

[silk dirge]

there was a cut questline relating to him i think

[spark valve]

eh that's unlikely given it's made via repeated addition of pale ore to a normal blade

[silk dirge]

i mean it seems a lot of it made it in

[sinful nimbus]

There was something called a blackwyrm but its affiliation with the battle and what it actually was is not clear

[foggy fractal]

Battle of the blackwyrm 🗣️

[silk dirge]

but there was probably more that they had to cut

[lethal burrow]

what determines being able to hold the radiance indefinitely, as is the stated definition for purity you're working with.

[sinful nimbus]

Why is that relevant

[obsidian quail]

is it safe to assume that a Blackwyrm existed in some form?

[sinful nimbus]

Its not really clear regardless

[silk dirge]

i am curious if blackwyrm and the blackbarren mentioned in the cradle are the same place

[foggy fractal]

no idea

[silk dirge]

also what the fuck is a vyrm

[rapid fractal]

could be a ship of theseus situation

[sinful nimbus]

For all we know it could be fictional

[silk dirge]

is that a word team cherry just invented to differentriate that boss from wyrms

[spark valve]

hard to do that with metal

[teal drift]

also high key bretta must be a pretty proficient dreamer in order to create the GPZ dream realm unintentionally.

[foggy fractal]

Ogrimm: yeah I'll drop this dialogue and never elaborate on it har har har

[rapid fractal]

my goat ogrim wouldnt lie

[silk dirge]

honestly yeah

[edgy barn]

For all we know it could even not be a living creature

[sinful nimbus]

The battle is real but the thing its named after could plausibly be fictional

[chrome atlas]

'Crafted to perfection, this ancient nail reveals its true form.' from the Pure Nail description, so the basic blade was probably made from pale metal (its 'true form'), got worn down due to use and time, and the Nailsmith restored it

[teal drift]

I feel like real world rules may not apply to this.

[sinful nimbus]

Its just a random rock 🗣️

[lethal burrow]

because being able to hold the radiance indefinitely is not something that could determine purity, that's not what determines purity that's the end goal. The pale King and the white lady could not test if a vessel was pure by having it hold the radiance for eternity.

[silk dirge]

honestly im kinda curious about battles between kingdoms now

[spark valve]

possible but there's not really any indication from the nailsmith if the blade was already made of a super rare super durable and valuable metal

[teal drift]

somehow purity discourse returned

[foggy fractal]

yo

[sinful nimbus]

How they accomplished that goal is entirely irrelevant

[spark valve]

you would think he would mention that

[sinful nimbus]

There was no test as far as we know

White Lady automatically assumes we are pure

[silk dirge]

bc like we never learn about a kingdoms foreign relations in either hk or silksong other than the "battle of blackwyrm"

[lethal burrow]

if there was no test, then how did they determine purity?

because remember, we're not determining actual purity we're trying to figure out the white lady's version of it.

[obsidian quail]

how so? i thought either a Blackwyrm participated or maybe there was a Blackwyrm corpse around

[torpid basalt]

I'd beat hornet in a fight because she's small

[silk dirge]

i doubt pharloom or hallownest were just existing without fighting other kingdoms

[lethal burrow]

and if you think it doesn't matter, and it's vague, then I think that's an odd thing since that's what your entire interpretation relies on

[sinful nimbus]

There's no real reason to believe they have a specific method of determining it

[teal drift]

I think despite it not making sense metallurgically, the ship of thesus proposition makes the most sense to me. By continuously enhancing the blade with pale ore it becomes a pure pale blade.

[sinful nimbus]

It does not rely on any specific method of choosing purity

[silk dirge]

like pharloom for sure was messing around with other kingdoms

[teal drift]

Blackwyrm is peak speculation bait. I think we just really cannot say much about it

[lethal burrow]

What does it rely on then?

[foggy fractal]

well any guess could be as good as any other guess
"The Champion's Call, the Knotted Grove, the Battle of the Blackwyrm... I remember it all. I will carry those glories with me always... until we meet again."
this is all we get on the Blackwyrm, that's it

[edgy barn]

The world of HK seem to be large pockets of life and civilizations separated by even larger expanses of pseudo-inhospitable wasteland

[silk dirge]

like other kingdoms probably wouldve wanted silk if they learned about it

[teal drift]

City of Steel 100% pokes its nose into the business of other kingdoms canonically

[teal drift]

There are also many wandering god-like entities of various sources that regularly collide with each other. So war really can come from nowhere.

[silk dirge]

i think theres large kingdoms which usually are under some higher being, possibly a pale being and then maybe smaller kingdoms and villages with no higher being

[teal drift]

And a lot of tribes that navigate the wastes for various purposes like whatever Shakra's tribe is

[silk dirge]

i could imagine city of steel might be a smaller kingdom which is not under the dominion of a higher being

[sinful nimbus]

Rationality about how purity would logically work and that White Lady has a good grasp on that

[obsidian quail]

Wyrms are fucking massive

[teal drift]

I personally feel there is a pale ore themed higher being and that dude/lady is responsible for Jinn shennanigans.

[limpid summit]

I have a crack theory about this

[rapid fractal]

so whats upwith maskmakers

[silk dirge]

covid 19 happened and they are needed

[teal drift]

I think maskmakers are simply a way of granting sentience with no god required, and therefore they're highly conserved across all the land.

[foggy fractal]

where are the vaccinemakers...

[silk dirge]

whiteward

[teal drift]

whiteward ❤️

crap im not original im gonna go unravel myself

[silk dirge]

THEYRE PUTTING SILK IN YOUR BODY

[obsidian quail]

who was the 3rd playable character

[foggy fractal]

...say that again...

[chrome atlas]

pablo

[silk dirge]

zote likely

[spark valve]

zote

[rapid fractal]

sounds likesomecrack pot conspiracy mygoats at the citadel wouldnever

[obsidian quail]

no way was it actually zote

[silk dirge]

im really curious how a zote game would work

[foggy fractal]

Zote presumably given the silhouette

[lethal burrow]

Do you acknowledge how the first of those two is subjective to a not insignificant degree and in what manner the second one is true is also subject to personal interpretation to an extent

[obsidian quail]

hahahahaha

[sinful nimbus]

No.

[teal drift]

i assume the original plan for zote was like an ultra hard mode tbh.

[silk dirge]

honestly it was probably a joke that tc never expected to be reached bc i have 0 clue how it actually would work

[lethal burrow]

let me know when you do

[silk dirge]

bc you deal no damage

[sinful nimbus]

Rationality and logic aren't subjective neither is someone's understanding of a subject

[sinful nimbus]

How basic truth works should really go without saying

[obsidian quail]

i’m glad the abyss didn’t get funded

[silk dirge]

someone time travel so we can get abyss expansion

[teal drift]

my best guess is that it'd be a joke super high difficulty mode where you have like 1-2 masks of health and do very low damage and you cant use magic or something

[obsidian quail]

curious about the Gods, are those the weather gods?

[foggy fractal]

no need they'll do one for silksong trust

[silk dirge]

the duality of man

[granite ice]

ranking hk bosses based on lore is harder than silksong's bc there isn't hornet here to tell us stuff like "this enemy is about the strongest in so and so"

[limpid summit]

In pantheon 4 TK sees a cutscene with young THK, Radiance and void rising up to meet it - I’ve theorized before that this canonically doesn’t appear to TK but it’s a way of showing us what PK’s foresight showed him
If PK saw a vessel with the horns that he needed, he would assume that it would be the the hollow vessel and there was thus no need for a “test” that we can’t begin to assume how it worked

[obsidian quail]

hahahaha

i think having bosses down there would take away from abyss aura

[rapid fractal]

dw i got this

[craggy smelt]

what we got in Silksong was probably what it would have been in HK

[silk dirge]

lost lace in hollow knight

[craggy smelt]

going down into that Void Sea

[rapid fractal]

1.zote the goat

[silk dirge]

actually thats an interesting idea for a challenge run

beating lost lace with hk movement

[lethal burrow]

not everyone has the same rationality and logic.

most people have their own sort that's different from the person next to them, the way they rationalize things, the logic they use to reason things out.

these are not things that are exactly the same through every person who has ever lived, you should agree that is true.

[silk dirge]

probably hard as fuck tho

[obsidian quail]

and the npc enemies in abyss, probably more monsters like that who thrive in abyss

[teal drift]

I do think Skong's propensity to put bosses in every area did remove some of the aura that some areas in HK had.

[silk dirge]

possibly even impossible

[silk dirge]

i mean what area in hk didnt have a big boss

[foggy fractal]

everbloom 2 !!!

[sinful nimbus]

Why are you assuming every person is equally correct

[silk dirge]

i cant think of many

[craggy smelt]

shiiiii-

[silk dirge]

other than abyss

[sinful nimbus]

Just because people believe something doesn't mean it is true

[teal drift]

Skong absolutely packs more bosses into each corner of the world than HK, its more like hmm, how do I word it.

[sinful nimbus]

Otherwise the earth would be flat.

[foggy fractal]

nah dw the knight can go get it trust

[edgy barn]

eh, I think only the attack where she dashes at you leaving void tendrils behind would be undodgable

[teal drift]

in skong i could guarantee there were progression bosses anytime I tried to make progression, in HK i could accidentally stumble across the 2 most game changing upgrades in the whole game (claw and dreamnail)

[foggy fractal]

I thought earth was like a square or smth ?

[silk dirge]

ok but it literally is what do you mean /j

have you never played terraria

clearly terraria is an accurate representation of earth

[rapid fractal]

why does the delicate flower in HK not repel the knight

[teal drift]

how did we even get onto the topic of terraria

[silk dirge]

bc its a cool game with cool mods

[spark valve]

it doesn't touch it with its void

[craggy smelt]

i think holloworld is basically an infinite plane
underground bugs kingdoms forever, with Void below

[teal drift]

gloves

[limpid summit]

Shell projects it

[craggy smelt]

shell-gloves

it project

[sinful nimbus]

Why does White Lady not warn TK that its dangerous

[obsidian quail]

i wanna see another Wyrm

[teal drift]

tbh why didnt hornet just throw the flower at lace. Would that not have worked

[rapid fractal]

why can hornet get hurt and not break the everbloom

[craggy smelt]

she sort've does, but like an asshole would

[silk dirge]

probably not

[spark valve]

because what the flower does got changed

[teal drift]

the humble collosseum of fools:

(for legal reasons this is a joke i dont actually believe its a wyrm)

[sinful nimbus]

"Clearly you have no idea what you are doing" yeah thanks for the advice buddy 😭 🙏

[obsidian quail]

next game we’ll fight a huge titan like creature like that and it’ll be cinema

[craggy smelt]

"what are you, some kind of idiot holding on to that shit?"

[teal drift]

i think the colo being wyrm or god adjacent is more likely than some theorists treat it as, but i do think it's a bit of a stretch

[limpid summit]

Canonically because she doesn’t like TK at all

[lethal burrow]

i'm not i'm simply assuming a minimum of two of them are correct.

[silk dirge]

i think its just a giant dude who died

[chrome atlas]

me asking the hollow knight discord server for any advice:

[craggy smelt]

"Don't you know that's the First Light?!"

[silk dirge]

possibly a dinosaur

[limpid summit]

She would rather have her stepdaughter around than a shambling imitation of her child

[teal drift]

also what's up with the giant corpses outside of pharloom? Just big old things hunted by the ants in their prime?

[silk dirge]

honestly probably a similar creature to the shell sprintmaster is in

[limpid summit]

Yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Why

[limpid summit]

Same sort of big corpse rule as HK just to show the world is bigger than we can guess

[silk dirge]

i feel like those predate the ants by a lot

[foggy fractal]

she just holds it off to the side

[obsidian quail]

idk i feel like the bug world went through similar changes our world did

[azure rain]

do we think that the conductor husk in the unravelled bossfight is conductor mizello?

[teal drift]

I wonder if they could be wyrmish or if they're just big dino bones

[obsidian quail]

where everything was fucking huge and got smaller

[silk dirge]

yes

[sinful nimbus]

There are a minimum of two prominent views on the earth's shape and yet one of them is true and the other isn't because a persons beliefs do not influence reality in any way

[limpid summit]

It’s quite likely

[chrome atlas]

The latter, I'd assume, we sort of know what a wyrm looks like with Kingdom's Edge

[craggy smelt]

they mention a name in one of the psalm things, is that the name? it's probably that one

[silk dirge]

nah theres 3 i believe earth is a dodecahedron

[limpid summit]

The unraveled itself is a hive mind of dead corpses but the major corpse it possesses is him

[foggy fractal]

yep that Mizello guy
rip bozo

[foggy fractal]

hey now I believe the Earth is like a donut

[azure rain]

what do conductors do exactly?

[craggy smelt]

leaders of the Citadel

[azure rain]

i honestly have no idea tbh

[teal drift]

aura farm

[silk dirge]

can i eat it

[spark valve]

they led the citadel

[sinful nimbus]

When I pass the aux cord and he plays Conductor Mizello's last surgery 😭

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[teal drift]

they conduct the chorus and are general leaders in the citadel, the chorus is a major part of the religion

[foggy fractal]

Is our state so bare, pilgrim?... "By the will of the Conductors," we once boomed, and this Citadel shook at our decree. 🗣️

[silk dirge]

tipp and pill after hearing every little sound blasted from hornets house in bellhart

[teal drift]

my reading was: vaultkeepers were secret police, architects were engineers, conductors were like presidents

[azure rain]

ok then why is he in the whiteward exactly?

[lethal burrow]

because it would be crazy to assume only one person in the entire history of humanity is correct on any given thing.

sure, you can keep using that bogus strawman flat earth analogy if you want, but that's demonstratable scientific fact as far as we're concerned as opposed to dialogue in an interpretive piece of art that is by no means the same level of concrete and irrefutable as the shape of the earth no matter how far one would try to pretend otherwise

[foggy fractal]

🦅

[teal drift]

they wanted to make a conductor immortal via silk experiments

[sinful nimbus]

Words hold objective meaning

[silk dirge]

not when i hack the dictionary website

[teal drift]

i am so confused about how the conversation has gotten to this point

[foggy fractal]

nooo don't do that

[sinful nimbus]

The fact that some people believe in other interpretations does not give them credibility in and of itself in the same manner the fact that some people believe the earth is flat doesn't give it credibility

[teal drift]

why are either of you still engaging

[foggy fractal]

initiate counterhack 🐺

[silk dirge]

your getting sealed 🦭

[obsidian quail]

yeah but he’s saying the intent behind them can be debated which is true isn’t it

[foggy fractal]

erm nuh uh !

[obsidian quail]

schrodinger’s intent

[chrome atlas]

I figured that Vaultkeepers had propaganda and history/historical editing in their wheelhouses, too

[silk dirge]

yuh uh

[teal drift]

oh that too yeah

[silk dirge]

why do vaultkeepers wear silly hats

[obsidian quail]

i forgot what words we’re talking about though

[teal drift]

aura

[silk dirge]

i want one of those hats now

[obsidian quail]

I just wanna see a Wyrm alive

[sinful nimbus]

"If you assume TC has no idea about how words work then the sentence actually perfectly aligns with my interpretation" isn't a very compelling argument, is it

[obsidian quail]

in its original form

[silk dirge]

too bad they all are dead

[silk dirge]

i mean they just speak australian which is a language far above what any of us can comprehend so yeah it is

[teal drift]

I feel like theyre just bardoon but like 100x larger

[lethal burrow]

The fact that you believe your interpretation is the only valid one also does not make it so.

I have only been trying to make an effort to get you to admit that other people's could be valid sometimes. and you have refused every time so far in a condescending manner.

[sinful nimbus]

There are many cases where there are multiple valid interpretations that does not mean this is among them

Which is obvious when you consider the evidence and apply basic logic to the situation

[obsidian quail]

NOOOOO

[obsidian quail]

what words are being discussed i got lost

[sinful nimbus]

If you consider me asking you to engage with rationality and the relevant texts condescending maybe that says more about your argument than it does me

[lethal burrow]

but you have failed to demonstrate how it isn't

You have only repeated the words and acted as if the words themselves are all the evidence anyone needs

[chrome atlas]

fellas, you've been at this conversation for half an hour, I don't think any minds are being changed at this point

[sinful nimbus]

Because words hold meaning

[silk dirge]

honestly i have no clue at this point

most of the channel has moved on to far less dumb discussion

[teal drift]

i think yall should just block each other so we can resume wyrm discourse

[sinful nimbus]

In this case there is one valid meaning to interpret because of the formatting of the sentence, words chosen, and basic context

[lethal burrow]

they do surely, but I don't think it's the shutting ripping closing meaning you think

[lethal burrow]

this just seems like arrogance about your own point of view.

[silk dirge]

we should discuss how silk is overpowered as fuck bc its basically a pid autotuner

[sinful nimbus]

In what way

[teal drift]

also do we actually think all wyrms are dead, or is that kinda bogus like Hallownest being the "last kingdom"

[foggy fractal]

who is Pid Auto Tuner ?

[sinful nimbus]

If you can give another interpretation that aligns with the context and words chosen by all means go ahead

[silk dirge]

i get to flex my robotics engineering knowledge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional–integral–derivative_controller

[obsidian quail]

i see all ur arguments about the ambiguousness of the Blackwyrm and here is my counter

[silk dirge]

what

[sinful nimbus]

But the fact that your only evidence is "Well other people believe in something different" makes me inclined to think you don't have any

[silk dirge]

why did that image attach 😭

[obsidian quail]

this looks cool as fuck

[silk dirge]

i love discord

[spark valve]

bardoon says they're gone but he's speaking about the first big forms

[obsidian quail]

looks like a freaking lovecraft deity

[teal drift]

bardoon is fake news

[spark valve]

other wyrms may be alive in their post transformation state

[silk dirge]

basically a pid controller is what youd need to make shit like fourth chorus irl

[foggy fractal]

I mean the best we have is Bardoon saying
This falling ash is moult. The Wyrm's corpse decaying. Endless. Rmm... Serene. Sad.
With its like gone, the world is smaller.
we don't see a wyrm anywhere else so he can be correct

[silk dirge]

to direct each arm to the correct position

[obsidian quail]

therefore i will believe that blackwyrm did exist because that would be very cool

[foggy fractal]

can i commison you to make like a robot Andy or smth

[teal drift]

its also possible their life cycle is incredibly long so none are currently roaming, but there are some pupating

[silk dirge]

and it needs to be tuned otherwise each arm will go fucking crazy

[silk dirge]

im not good enough for that yet

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/walks-away-sad-leave-tom-and-jerry-gif-16877258

[silk dirge]

you should call up 12th architect she can probably do it

[obsidian quail]

the Wyrms look like they lay eggs

[lethal burrow]

in the way that it seems you can't acknowledge other interpretations because of your interpretation of the text making it seem as though you cannot imagine somebody else interpreting them any other way because of how you think the way you specifically interpret them.

your interpretation of the text seems to have made it incapable of you understanding that anyone else can have another interpretation of the text that would lead them to a different conclusion.

yes, from your interpretation of the text, only your point of view may be possible, but I don't think I've seen you able to acknowledge others or the possibility that you're wrong about this.

it seems arrogant, self righteous, and condescending

[sinful nimbus]

You aren't engaging with the evidence

"That's just your interpretation man maybe be a bit more open minded" isn't convincing

[teal drift]

I also generally believe that the blackwyrm was just a large and black wyrm that encroached on hallownest, and the PK and pale court challenged it in a battle. But there's just really no great evidence

[silk dirge]

WYRM RACISM?

[foggy fractal]

GUH !!!

[obsidian quail]

oh u guys are just going back and forth over a subjective or objective interpretation

[sinful nimbus]

Objective

[silk dirge]

:survive

[obsidian quail]

and more lore is saying it’s subjective right

[foggy fractal]

ohhhh so thats where Hornet got it from

[obsidian quail]

that’s what’s going on

[sinful nimbus]

Yes

[teal drift]

almost all lore in the HK games is from subjective biased sources and has to be assembled into a narrative from those sources. So even seemingly direct lines of dialogue can be dead wrong.

E.g "the last and greatest kingdom"

[obsidian quail]

ur saying the words make it so there can only be one interpretation and more lore is saying that’s not true

[lethal burrow]

you weren't presenting evidence besides "look"

[obsidian quail]

i’m caught up

[sinful nimbus]

I mean you can scroll up that's just not true

[lethal burrow]

#sk-lore message i already gave 2

[silk dirge]

i wish i didnt i want this discussion to cease bc its done absolutely nothing productive

can you both just agree to disagree or some shit and move on 😭

[lethal burrow]

what would you do if I scrolled up and it was true

[obsidian quail]

why would we not believe that Blackwyrm actually existed when this is cool as fuck? coolest interpretation >>>

[sinful nimbus]

Neither of these fit the meaning of the words chosen nor do they fit with the aligned context which I have elaborated on below that message

[silk dirge]

terraria worm boss ahh

[sinful nimbus]

What would I do if those who got lost in the bermuda triangle are secretly time travelers

[foggy fractal]

because we don't have solid evidence for it existing

[lethal burrow]

star trying not to be condescending challenge: IMPOSSIBLE

[teal drift]

how do the 5 great knights powerscale to skong?

[silk dirge]

this was legit the first thing i thought of when i saw bell eater https://youtu.be/OspSOSPjOuI?si=6tf32sRQEABW0aaR

[teal drift]

I feel like DD could take the fourth chorus

[lethal burrow]

Paraphrasing is not the same as elaboration

[sinful nimbus]

I paraphrased the text to show you its meaning

[lethal burrow]

you failed.

[edgy barn]

What is baby hollow doing there

[foggy fractal]

fighting

[silk dirge]

babys first fight

[teal drift]

also what tf did happen to isma. What was here deal

[devout flint]

hello 😄

[silk dirge]

tree person thingy

[obsidian quail]

i know but it’s ambiguous so we can say it did exist because it’s fucking cool

[teal drift]

not delivering your damn rasher.

[devout flint]

hawhat

[silk dirge]

i believe isma probably died and reincarnated into a tree or some shit like that

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[sinful nimbus]

Again I'd invite you to exercise reading comprehension and maybe even look up the definitions of the words "supposed" "tarnished" "idea" and "instilled" and maybe how pronouns work too

[obsidian quail]

uhhhhh

[devout flint]

the game was rigged from the start bro

[silk dirge]

kinda like a nymph if im remembering shit correctly

[devout flint]

anyways can i get a hand

[obsidian quail]

time traveler

[lethal burrow]

#sk-lore message

[sinful nimbus]

And also consider if the Titanic was truly unsinkable at one point

[silk dirge]

pronouns??? UH OH WOKE

i cant believe you would do this

[sinful nimbus]

That's not engaging with the discussion that's just attacking me

[devout flint]

i am making a pelican spider oc in service to the citadel, i need asistance for their name and if they would be feral or sentient

[foggy fractal]

just as woke as TC.

[lethal burrow]

ye I accidentally called them the wrong pronouns like an hour ago and they're trying to bring it back around

[sinful nimbus]

Um 🥴

You know I'm not talking about gendered pronouns right

[silk dirge]

i dont think thats what they were talking about lol

[lethal burrow]

i thought perhaps I was speaking some foreign tongue and thought maybe by communicating in the language you understand I could get through to you

[sinful nimbus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronoun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antecedent_(grammar)

[silk dirge]

can we talk about boss pronouns

[foggy fractal]

which boss ?

[silk dirge]

ive already said phantom gives big they/she vibes

[devout flint]

damn chat

[lethal burrow]

Let's say second sentinel

[teal drift]

to answer your question, pelicans feel adjacent to craws, and they dont seem too feral

[silk dirge]

second sentinel would probably be like it/its its a robot

[foggy fractal]

they/them if Hornet is anything to go by

The talent and intelligence of this construct goes far beyond others I have witnessed. They seem less built as a tool to serve than an attempt at life itself.

[teal drift]

lugoli is canonically nonbinary which is fascinating.

[silk dirge]

also silksong never explicitly says great conchflies arent a gay couple

[silk dirge]

i guess weavers and wyrms are homophobic too

who wouldve thought

[teal drift]

I think them being gay lines up with Hornet's desire to kill gay people throughout the kingdom

[silk dirge]

enby ass

[teal drift]

it's still kinda crazy that Hornet enters a mourning gay man's dreams and steals his literal beating heart

then displays it on her shelf at home

[silk dirge]

relatable

[craggy smelt]

the hearts are like Silksong's version of Salubra's Blessing

you want to sit quietly and reflect, and its just constantly making noise

[silk dirge]

sylphsong is so much better than salubras blessing

also i feel like its more useful tbh

[craggy smelt]

does it stop when you're at max silk?

[silk dirge]

salubras blessing would be goated if it worked in hall of gods

[foggy fractal]

yep

[silk dirge]

but it resets your soul every time you enter a boss

[craggy smelt]

then yes, it's way better

[silk dirge]

can we talk about how hornet does the phone in bed pose when you pull out a map while lying down

shes just like me fr

[craggy smelt]

yeeees

.

it's the best

[mint furnace]

In Hornets defense Green Price seemed kinda done with life

[silk dirge]

also uhh what the fuck i dont think this is a silkpost

these mfs actually fucking fully got the map in

[foggy fractal]

it is

[silk dirge]

😭

im glad people have learned to silkpost again

[mint furnace]

POOP HERMIT CRAB

[foggy fractal]

#sk-discussion message

[mint furnace]

DONT LEAVE ME

[craggy smelt]

one day

[silk dirge]

nah wtf they cooked

it actually looks so believable

[craggy smelt]

pretty good, yeah
I was like 'oh, found in files maybe?'

[silk dirge]

yeah same

[mint furnace]

In team cherry tradition I hope they never mention the hermit crabs again then in the third game do the exact same thing

Show a snail village then eviserate it

[summer pendant]

hello. does anyone know who's in charge of the silksongwiki.com project? It has an official look and url, but it's seeming AI generated. This could really fuck up discussion

[craggy smelt]

I hate that

[silk dirge]

theres an official silksong wiki which is on the hk wiki website

[foggy fractal]

yeah def ai generated or smth never use that

[silk dirge]

so uhh ignore this

[craggy smelt]

https://hollowknight.wiki
only use this, spread the word

[silk dirge]

nah use the fandom wiki /j

[mint furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-pippin-delta-rune-deltarune-chapter-3-chapter-3-gif-1899025022275161021

[limpid summit]

Great question! Here’s a summary of Hollow Knight: Silksong.

[mint furnace]

I helped run the miraheze lethal company discord for a while

Fandom is still a trauma word

[craggy smelt]

"It's the Silksong, it's found us!"

[summer pendant]

I still don't know wtf this means

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah def ai generated

[limpid summit]

Technically it’s right about the moral ambiguity since Hornet sucks

[mint furnace]

This truly was…. A silksong

[summer pendant]

oh are you the one who wrote that Hornet Fascism reddit post

[teal drift]

tbf Hornet appears to have a biological component encouraging her to dominate and discriminate. She has to learn to get over it

[silk dirge]

the what

[limpid summit]

What no but I want to see it

[summer pendant]

https://silksongwiki.com/interactive-map/ it's a shame cos the interactive map being up already would be really nice to link to

[limpid summit]

No this is true

Just like how Wyrms are naturally kingdom founding Weavers are naturally racist and elitist

Hornet just doesn’t rise above

[mint furnace]

I think Hornet is just racist towards flies because it’s a spider joke

She’s polite to everyone else

Also it’s hard to be “racist towards the flies” those things don’t deserve life

[limpid summit]

Except the disadvantaged slave race yeah

[summer pendant]

idk how to find it 😭

[lethal burrow]

They do say fascism hides in plain sight

[teal drift]

imma be real if sentient mosquitoes were a real thing I think being a lil racist towards them would be understandable and common. But lets cut this convo off before we get people saying truly insane shit about the real world.

[craggy smelt]

https://mapgenie.io/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloom
Use this one if you want to find stuff (has pretty much everything, including lore, so its relevant!)

[spark valve]

[teal drift]

slabflies discourse is a terror upon this channel

[craggy smelt]

oh, now I get it

[silk dirge]

/j

please dont take this seriously

that being said i am a big proponent of those genetically modified mosquitos that cant do shit

[limpid summit]

“Hey guys I promise it’s just cause I’m a spider and they’re flies dude I was just joking! Guys?”

[spark valve]

<@&283547423706447872> maybe even suggesting that a genocide against a sapient group could be alright as a joke is inappropriate

[summer pendant]

well I also think there's context to it. Let me explain.

As far as we've seen, flies have chosen the role of being a jailor species, enforcers of an authoritarian system. There are no records anywhere of them being unhappy in this role, or of seeking a different life, no fly has been shown to be in a different role.

Moreover, the cages in the cradle and the First Sin's show the flies are complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Hornet's kind.

I don't believe Hornet is racist towards flies as a species, after all she spent a lot of time with the Dung Defender, there's no reason she should mind the smell that much. More likely, she hates their society of gleefully enforcing tyranny upon the bugs of Pharloom.

[craggy smelt]

"Some of my best friends are flies!"

[silk dirge]

fine ill delete that

[lethal burrow]

people do the same thing about the pale king child slaughter, and that's fine to joke about

You need to draw a diagram of where your lines are

[summer pendant]

It would be a different story if Hornet encountered a friendly fly, or one that chose a different path, but all the flies which belong to that society have chosen to contribute to the draconian, dystopian system of a prison that seeks to have all of its prisoners die before they find redemption.

[teal drift]

this topic of the slabflies is possibly the stupidest most twitterbrained discourse of all time. We must move on from it.

[silk dirge]

yeah i feel like maybe i was a bit too fast with that joke but like

i dont think that is really worth pinging mods over

[spark valve]

no they haven't they're explicitly born into servitude

[summer pendant]

ok sorry for discussing the game what would you rather we do

[summer pendant]

are they?

[silk dirge]

yeah

[spark valve]

Foul creatures birthed into servitude. Their plight elicits no sympathy from me.

[lethal burrow]

Don't call it draconian dragons are cool

[spark valve]

hornet even acknowledges that she just doesn't care

[summer pendant]

which fly is this about

[silk dirge]

the guards

[spark valve]

scabflies which are children

[silk dirge]

oh wait no guards are "these guys need to shower"

[summer pendant]

(sorry i read the game in french so i need to read up on english entries)

[teal drift]

I do think those entries are meant to reflect Hornet being a bit of a judgy wang, in the same way other entries make her look more considerate of the possible failings of Hallownest society.

[silk dirge]

eww fr*nch

i actually take back hating france tho they have it so much better than the us

you guys actually have high speed rail

[lethal burrow]

if we're being semantic, a lack of sympathy does not imply objective negative inclination.

if I was in prison by these people, I would have a hard time finding sympathy in my heart for them as well, even if objectively I was more aware of the larger situation. The personal emotional animal aspect is hard to ignore.

[limpid summit]

I would excuse the bathing entry but like “foul creatures” she’s more than judgy

[foggy fractal]

yayyy french

[limpid summit]

You’re right but the same journal entries exist if Hornet enters the slab of her own volition so that doesn’t account for all possibilities

[summer pendant]

I see this entry, but I don't think I read it the same way you do.

They're born in servitude to the slab, but that's in the sense that the Broodmother offers up her children to it. She's the matriarch, the flies are still in charge, it's more of a child labor situation.

[silk dirge]

my question is who is enforcing their servitude

the haunting i assume

[summer pendant]

her

[lethal burrow]

true, but even then you could argue because of her personal relationship with the pilgrims that she could be sympathetic to them in a way that makes her unsympathetic to their wardens.

[teal drift]

there are multiple species of bug that seem to be selected from birth to serve certain functions for the citadel

[lethal burrow]

if that was something you wanted to argue for, of course

[silk dirge]

yeah you have the judges, the annoying ass vault fuckers, slabflies

[teal drift]

judges and slabflies among them

[spark valve]

which is still them not having a choice in the matter

[summer pendant]

It seem to me that the broodmother entered this agreement willingly because she loves the role of giving birth, as we see from the Broodling. It seems to be a societal norm, which the other flies suffer and then enforce unto further offspring

[silk dirge]

nah the broodling is born with a thing on its neck already

[spark valve]

broodmother was probably born into bondage too

[silk dirge]

and the old penitent says they committed a sin forgotten to time and were cursed to this forever

[summer pendant]

I would agree if there were any sign of any fly ever seeking a way out

[silk dirge]

my real question is who the fuck puts the collar on the broodling

bc its already got the collar

[teal drift]

Tbf if you chose to disengage with the most literal racial allegory that most think of, the lines about slabflies could be read as Hornet hating COs, which, based. The worst of sentient beings are drawn to that position. But I dont think that or the racism thing was TC's intent lol. I think it was a joke about how hornet is disgusted by the flies that spit gross goopy saliva at you.

[limpid summit]

That’s also true, but I do think her entries show distaste for the very nature of the slabflies without striking at the bad system that she actually should focus on as the antagonistic force

She’s fallen for Citadel propaganda

[silk dirge]

on this topic i will admit the mosquito joke was a stupid thing to say, i dont think it was too bad bc its completely fictional, but i agree it was probably not the move to say it

[teal drift]

the citadel is full of oppressed people who gleefully embrace their lack of options and celebrate their fucked up roles. There could be some commentary in there, but uh, its too subtle for most to understand.

[lethal burrow]

I think both readings are valid

[silk dirge]

im sorry tammo for saying that i probably should know better

[lethal burrow]

tbh i'll take slab fly racism debates over green prince incest debates any day

[summer pendant]

Interesting. This is strange.

[silk dirge]

oh fuck nah

[foggy fractal]

I'll take neither

[summer pendant]

Most penitents in the game seem to serve their time willingly

[foggy fractal]

let's talk about why the karak gor kinda look like me lowkey

[summer pendant]

on the basis of a lie, obviously

[spark valve]

becuase they've been manipulated

[summer pendant]

they are manipulated

[summer pendant]

just following orders amirite

[silk dirge]

this is why i dont buy old penitent being romino

romino doesnt seem like the dude who would fall for that shit

[lethal burrow]

by who tho

[chrome atlas]

i kinda look like sister splinter ngl

[summer pendant]

Higher beings are known for nothing if not their propaganda skills

[foggy fractal]

what was TC trying to say...

[limpid summit]

That shit was ridiculous

[lethal burrow]

well, if it's grandmother silk, then they're not being manipulated their being womanipulated

[silk dirge]

"do you have any evidence this was said"

nah the person who said it says i cant post the evidence

[lethal burrow]

[silk dirge]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[summer pendant]

Mother Superior Silk is such a better name. Mosu is such a cute nickname too can we all just ignore the english name :3

[silk dirge]

anyways are there any other born into role dudes other than slabflies, judges and scrollreaders

im kinda curious which one would be the best to be born into

probably scrollreader

[summer pendant]

maybe, but we've seen a scrollreader outside the citadel haven't we? the relics fellow?

[teal drift]

I mean pilgrims to an extent are born into their roles

[silk dirge]

scrollreaders are the big dudes

not vaultkeepers

[summer pendant]

oh sorry. translation translotion

[silk dirge]

these guys

[teal drift]

clockwrok droids are also "born" into the roles they serve

[silk dirge]

ok those dont really count

i would love to be one of the cogwork teapot dudes

[summer pendant]

hm. it does seem like a lot of those groups simply can't imagine a different path, like the judges from the blasted steps

[foggy fractal]

HELL NAW !!!

[teal drift]

tbf being a judge seems like a pretty lit position relative to the other positions people are born into

[silk dirge]

nah scrollreader seems pretty chill

but you have to read a lot

so i probably wouldnt like it

[summer pendant]

they enforce suffering on others for personal salvation. A disgusting mindset, but one they were manipulated into. I wonder how to feel about this.

[lethal burrow]

let's call her sumptuous supermom silk

[silk dirge]

i wonder if the last judge was chosen chosen

[summer pendant]

mosu is cuter tho

[silk dirge]

like the best of the best of judges

[lethal burrow]

true but I don't get it as a nickname because I don't know how it relates to whatever other word

maybe we could just call her gossamer.

[spark valve]

the point is that they're both perpetrators and victims, being ambivalent about them means you're paying attention

[summer pendant]

Mother Superior Silk is the french name for GMS, Mo(ther)Su(perior)

[silk dirge]

honestly thats kinda interesting commentary on modern society

[teal drift]

Last judge may just be oldest and most powerful, but its also possible she was elevated in some way.

[foggy fractal]

I can't wait till people add custom bosses such as ancient aspid or the pale court bunch

[lethal burrow]

i'm just gonna call her grandmother Gossamer from now on

fuck it

[summer pendant]

I can be ambivalent about their objective moral standing in the universe while still thinking they need to be stopped from continuing their role, and thinking they only allow this to be done by force

[silk dirge]

super spit squit

[teal drift]

a lot of this discourse pretty much ends up being "we live in a society"

[silk dirge]

divine driznit

[foggy fractal]

joker society

[lethal burrow]

That's all the Social commentary A discord channel can handle.

[silk dirge]

what are other annoying enemies

stellar stilkin

[summer pendant]

well that's what makes HK lore interesting, no? It's presented from various conflicting perspectives, many of which are explicitly propaganda from so called "higher beings" with clear vested interest in altering historical records

[lethal burrow]

squit squib

[foggy fractal]

nah even though the squit is more similar to the primal aspid conceptually
the savage beastfly has the a reception closer to the primal aspid, which is that everyone hates it

[silk dirge]

the civilized beastfly

[summer pendant]

I like that we got a closer look at lifeblood, and the way the lifeblood beast spreads its own form of worship through a much more virulent infection than the Radiance's

[lethal burrow]

Savage beast fly has a reputation closer to radiant markoth

[foggy fractal]

and its just this

[silk dirge]

yeah

[lethal burrow]

sophisticated beastfly

[teal drift]

yeah i think Primal aspid reputation is very different from beastfly.

since one is a boss and the other an enemy who happens to be annoying.

[summer pendant]

why? it's a super fun fight

[winged trench]

Educated beastfly

[summer pendant]

markoth was literally glitched

[teal drift]

for me this was the most infuriating enemy in the game

[silk dirge]

same

i hate these guys

[lethal burrow]

In what way?

[teal drift]

the ones in the ducts are annoying, but they dont teleport and theyre just overall easier to facetank

[winged trench]

My least favorite enemy was those winged triange shaped guys in high halls

[silk dirge]

these guys also

[teal drift]

oh wait i hated those guys too, just super annoying to deal with

[silk dirge]

wait what

i love maestros

[summer pendant]

nails spawning off the left side of the arena was unintentional, they couldn't do this on the right side, and it seemed linked to the fact that in the original area the room continued off to the left

[silk dirge]

says super complicated shit to conduct a fucking cogfly

[summer pendant]

however this has nothing to do with lore

[lethal burrow]

every variation of an enemy that throws a small bell can go eat an ass

[summer pendant]

seemed to me. I never got any confirmation on this, but it's clearly unintentional if it's not programmed to behave the same way on either side of the arena

[silk dirge]

you can hit the bells

[foggy fractal]

guys if we got a Groal refight
which would you rather have
Groal The Greater
Groal The Humble

[summer pendant]

... this is a lore channel, andy

[teal drift]

Also some people are viewing the judges/slabflies as a racial allegory, but I think its more accurate to view them as an allegory for shitty evil jobs that we live with in our society, where people enter into them and are brainwashed into their roles and not questioning them.

[silk dirge]

apparently some people really struggle with these

[summer pendant]

ok if this is just gonna be ssdiscussion i'll come back later

[silk dirge]

i didnt but apparently some people do

[teal drift]

like i dont think we're meant to be thinking deeply about the morality of a creature born into service, but we are meant to be thinking about the morality of COs

[foggy fractal]

is there lore you'd like to talk about

[teal drift]

tbf 90% of this channel is semantic arguments over morality and the same 3 discourses on loop.

[summer pendant]

i did bring up a couple topics :3

[silk dirge]

yeah

[lethal burrow]

who imprisoned the first sinner

[foggy fractal]

uh oh

[teal drift]

what does vessel purity mean

[foggy fractal]

uh oh

wait that's not even silksong ! get out !

[silk dirge]

what retcons are there in silksong

[foggy fractal]

hmmmm idk !

[silk dirge]

are the green princes brothers

[teal drift]

is skong unplayable because Herrah is a weaver and the snail shamans use void?

[summer pendant]

notably lifeblood as an infection akin to the radiance's, but spread physically by seeping into the land, and how that infection seems to me as though it's a substitute or equivalent to worship for the higher beings, which seem to need them to maintain strength

[chrome atlas]

is hornet void

[summer pendant]

they were born twins

[foggy fractal]

ah the classic

[teal drift]

the slabfly journal entries being racist is also a recurring and infuriating discourse

[teal drift]

the lifeblood infection really makes me reconsider the mechanics of the radiance's infection

[summer pendant]

wait this might be translation only lore

[foggy fractal]

there's apparently this mural that says
“Two children born entwined, apart,
Two children marked to rule,
They danced, they sang, proved blades beyond,
But none forgot their birth,
For lovers born on beat exact shall be forever cursed.”

[silk dirge]

before silksong released someone saw "sister of the void" on the soundtrack page and said it made it obvious hornet was void

and i was like nuh uh lmao

[lethal burrow]

• harrah not looking like a Weaver.
• slab fly racism
• green prince incest interpretation
• hollow knight purity discussion

any other big discussions that never end?

[foggy fractal]

any retcon discussion

[zinc pivot]

Void having a will because a lighthouse keeper said so?

[summer pendant]

yeah, the translation does not say it like this, that's much more clearly not twins

[teal drift]

my favorite is when someone implies retcons make skong unplayable

[lethal burrow]

that's just the first one wearing a trenchcoat

[teal drift]

lifeblood and void are the only two divine substances that don't have a god associated with them (barring ETV ending), so its interesting to see how divine substances act in absence of a god controlling them

[lethal burrow]

I think it's pretty clear They're not twins in the English too for what it's worth

[foggy fractal]

Voidheart, Snailshaman, Pale King's Constructs, and then Lifeblood in Wormways are the other ones I've seen

[zinc pivot]

We have some underground translation in my language and they still do this

[silk dirge]

i mean we dont know about lifeblood

[summer pendant]

not true, we did catch a glimpse of the divine being behind lifeblood

[teal drift]

dead as hell

[silk dirge]

apparently 3q also but im a big doubter of that

[zinc pivot]

Wouldn’t say void is divine in any mean

[summer pendant]

it wormed its way into even the godseeker's memory

[lethal burrow]

void heart I can sort of see, but the others are crazy

[zinc pivot]

It’s a primordial force it’s for sure

[foggy fractal]

I've heard a few translations call them twins
I can't confirm for any besides chinese though
but english should always be the most canon anyway

[teal drift]

I think primordial force and divine substance are interchangeable for me

its a substance that can kill gods

[craggy smelt]

Void is the anti-god

[silk dirge]

apparently the radiance isnt actually referred to as a female in english anywhere

that comes from the french translation or smth iirc

[summer pendant]

this creature seems clearly associated with the very concept of lifeblood, since it showed up in the godseeker's dreams. It's not confirmed by any means, but I think it's fine to tentatively call it a god of lifeblood

[chrome atlas]

Simplified or traditional? The simplified Chinese translation is legendarily dogshit, I woudn't take anything from it as face value

[teal drift]

I do agreee that that creature is a god of lifeblood, I also just think that it's dead, and the lifeblood we see in game is untethered from it

[foggy fractal]

isn't there only one chinese translation for silksong anyway

[craggy smelt]

gotta keep a closer eye on this thing now
a lot more sinister than we thought

[summer pendant]

dead??? based on what???

[zinc pivot]

It’s funny that lifeblood is undead in nature

[chrome atlas]

Team Cherry use she/her pronouns for the Radiance in things like AMAs

[foggy fractal]

also portuguese says the wiki
as well as Dev notes

[teal drift]

the fact that it's face is a twisted rictus and it has been cast into the abyss and looks drenched in void

[silk dirge]

ahh i see

[foggy fractal]

how about herrah

[teal drift]

and that throwing gods into the abyss seems to be the best way to kill them

[zinc pivot]

Makes 4 higher beings as female and one genderless

Pale King can’t handle all of this

[summer pendant]

it only exists in a dream within the abyss. it's called the abyss creature, sure, but we've never seen a higher being with living worshippers be dead, have we?

[teal drift]

I think based on its appearance and lack of sentience, the lifeblood creature in the void was at one point in the same boat that GMS is in act 3 — trying to survive after being cast into the abyss

[lethal burrow]

i think that is irrefutably a retcon

[surreal panther]

Problem with that is it seems to empower the void

[teal drift]

I think PK

[lethal burrow]

that's only the case with grandmother silk because she hung on and so the void spread across the land through her thread

[summer pendant]

the void doesn't seem to seek this all that much, actually. it got right to the pale king's chambers and left without touching him

[teal drift]

what do you mean by empower the void? I'm a bit confused

[foggy fractal]

YEAHHH RETCONSONG WOOOOOOOOOO

[surreal panther]

Also eating the radiance

[summer pendant]

which worshippers?

[teal drift]

anyone sentient in hallownest

[lethal burrow]

That didn't make it stronger though

[summer pendant]

uh. you know what sure, if you wanna say that

[teal drift]

do you think that after the events of Skong everyone evaporates because GMS died?

[lethal burrow]

It just sort of did that as a thing

[lethal burrow]

[summer pendant]

no?

[craggy smelt]

we'll see
future DLC: Lost Radiance

[azure dirge]

Wonder if it’s the original source of lifeblood and now things that have ingested it are growing the foundations to create more of it. Or give birth to it.

[surreal panther]

After eating the radiance it got a physical form the shade lord. After GMS it was able to affect the land

[summer pendant]

the radiance and GMS are special cases because they were absorbed by the void

[teal drift]

you're saying the lifeblood god can't be dead because we see people worshipping it. I dont understand where the claim that people can't worship dead gods is coming from.

[azure dirge]

That was from god tuning the the knight focusing the void.

[teal drift]

my claim is that lifeblood is a similar special case that was, almost exactly like GMS, tossed into the abyss

[zinc pivot]

The form is attained by the void heart and focus

[azure dirge]

It could be that the god of lifeblood has yet to be born.

[zinc pivot]

Radiance mukbang doesn’t affect it

[summer pendant]

no that's fair, but I'm saying that, unlike GMS or Rad, lifeblood is still spreading, as if the Radiance's infection still spread after her death

[lethal burrow]

I think a lifeblood God being dead would be a major L like the whole point of life blood is that it really wants you to live, even the abyss doesn't touch that shit.

What the hell could've killed it lol

Bro, your whole thing is being alive and you died