sk-lore

[silk dirge]

its just a bunch of empty rooms

with one bad charm

[zinc pivot]

Its just… abyss escape sequence

[sudden pivot]

lava plume go brrrrr

[zinc pivot]

Also apparently void is like the core of the HK planet

[silk dirge]

motted skarr, gurr and who else?

[whole holly]

oh, so motted skarrs are treated differently, i still have one question, other than merchant one who are other ones, i haven't seen them

[zinc pivot]

Or at least deeper than the earth crust

[terse warren]

The guy in the target room above the far fields bellway

[zinc pivot]

Another one shows up in far fields target practice room if you hit all targets with a curve claw

[silk dirge]

oh yeah that guy

[edgy barn]

There's also Gurr the Outcast, an Act 3 Quest Boss

[terse warren]

Which was already mentioned

[scenic stirrup]

Why do u think herrah let the white lady raise hornet when she used to be hostile to the pale king and co

[whole holly]

can you show picture?

[zinc pivot]

Herrah was sealed before it happens

[edgy barn]

yeah I just noticed sorry

[silk dirge]

she was eepy

[zinc pivot]

And she probably let White Lady and The Hive do it after seeing how weavers treat her kid like shit

[silk dirge]

the weaver racism in red memory goes crazy

[terse warren]

Aside from Gurr, the other two motted skarrs don't attack Hornet which I think is very interesting

Also it's clear that Gurr actually has some intelligence, unlike every other Skarr we see

[silk dirge]

"show us you are more weaver than wyrm"

[terse warren]

The fly racism in hunter journal goes crazy too tbh

[molten parcel]

I didnt understand the origin of the weavers, what was tyhat

[scenic stirrup]

Yea whyd she let her raise hornet while shes sleeping i kinda thought shed let other weavers raise her instead

[edgy barn]

The three of them can be easily assumed to be non-haunted.

[scenic stirrup]

Since they used to be very hostile

[zinc pivot]

Weavers were pharlids, a primitive spider race
GMS evolved them into a race of near inmortality and silk magic and all female

[solemn heath]

wait what

[sudden pivot]

GMS used her Soul infused Silk to evolve the Pharlid enemies, granting them sapience and magic powers

[terse warren]

Yeah which is interesting though because all of them are motted

[silk dirge]

honestly why would you evolve pharlid theyre annoying little shits

[zinc pivot]

Its deeper than magma layer

[silk dirge]

i wouldve evolved like nosk or some shit if i was gms

[molten parcel]

What was Even the objectives of GMS, why was she trying to control everyone?

[silk dirge]

especially the diving pharlids

annoying mfs

[edgy barn]

Yeah she should have gone to Hallownest and evolved primal aspids

[terse warren]

The weavers were trying to turn hornet into their revenge machine, while Herrah, Vespa and WL (no clue about PK guy was busy ig) wanted Hornet to pursue her own goals

[silk dirge]

meanwhile nosk is cool and deserves to be evolved

[zinc pivot]

They are primitive animals, which make it easy for GMS to manipulate after their evolution is what i think

[sudden pivot]

I think cause they were the only natrual spiders in Pharloom other than like their cousin speices so GMS just used what was most compatible with her powers

GMS would have LOVED deepnest

[solemn heath]

yeah but it makes so much sense lmao

[silk dirge]

evolved devouts 💀

[zinc pivot]

Imagine devout use clawline on the knight

[edgy barn]

They already sentient

[zinc pivot]

Withered foxy jumpscare

[terse warren]

Yeah but they can't make their own silk

[edgy barn]

Good point

[molten parcel]

i think GMS objective was like keeping Lace alive

[silk dirge]

also they arent sapient

[molten parcel]

According to notes i mean

[silk dirge]

its highly implied gms made pharlids sapient

[molten parcel]

Bestiary*

[steel turret]

Hey what if the king brand was the pale king’s crest?

[terse warren]

The stalking devout hitting you with a Sharpdart after you try to run away

[silk dirge]

when she evolved them

[zinc pivot]

Theres a whole cutscene for it

[edgy barn]

They are. They worship Herrah.

[terse warren]

I saw that theory and ehhhhhhhhh

[silk dirge]

thread storm stalking devout

[fossil ledge]

The average citizen does appear to have worshipped the Pale King as a god, an example being the King's Idols, like you said, but also various statues and shrines depicting him. My point is that aside of the Hunter's comment, I don't recall ever seeing any worshipping bug mention anything to the effect of believing he created the whole world.

Monomon's dialogue doesn't outright contradict this as far as I know, but the Elegy of Hallownest indicates she's aware that they existed before the Pale King arrived, and so he's not their creator. I don't think she's stating that only he's capable of granting sapience, more so that he was the only one that ended up being able to do it. At least, that's how interpreted it. Not that I believe anyone else attempted it besides him though. The Elegy also doesn't mention creation, which given the theme of the piece I'd assume she'd have included if she believed it.

Whether or not the citizens believed he created the tunnels of Hallownest, I'm guessing in his Wyrm form, I'm also not sure. Perhaps this is what the Hunter is implying with this world, like you said? I could see some bugs that know about the Pale King's Wyrm form believing this, but I don't know to what extent most even know he had a Wyrm form in the first place

[steel turret]

If it’s true the knight totally hoed hornet out of the best crest

[zinc pivot]

Oh no HK lore in my silksong

[molten parcel]

What the hell happend to deep nest last weaver

[scenic stirrup]

Oh yea from the red memory. Herrah is agreeable than the other weavers at least

[zinc pivot]

Hornet? She lived

[silk dirge]

yeah i am curious what happened to the weavers who left hallownest

[terse warren]

Doesn't really make any sense at all because the crest kind sticks with you till you die

You are the crest essentially

[zinc pivot]

Thats a terrible joke, mb
we dont know what happened really

[silk dirge]

bc the weavers we find in game definitely dont seem like the ones that left hallownest

considering they explicitly say they remained

[molten parcel]

I think the whole bilewater isnt silked

[silk dirge]

maybe the weavers who left got captured by gms

[edgy barn]

Hornet is said to be the last of their line by the citadel, who have some method of finding weavers.

[silk dirge]

and bound

[molten parcel]

Bilewarer according to bestiary might be just agressive towards us

[sudden pivot]

my theory is that they were immediately murdered by Lace on arrival

[terse warren]

Place so ass not even GMS would touch it

[zinc pivot]

Silk radar and weaver genetic gps

[molten parcel]

Groal looks like soul master, whys that

[terse warren]

Weavers aren't that weak lol

[steel turret]

She did touch it, her citadel’s the reason it’s not Clearwater

[zinc pivot]

Its obviously silk whos pulling the string
Literally

[terse warren]

They look nothing alike

[edgy barn]

They both use Soul and inflated because of it.

[molten parcel]

Does Eva have a body i wonder

[sudden pivot]

both bloated by overuse of Soul

[steel turret]

They’re both FAT

[terse warren]

She didn't make the citadel

[sudden pivot]

neither is Lace?

[molten parcel]

I don't think lace can get out of pharloom

[terse warren]

You expect them to lose a 7v1? Or however many were in red memory cutscene

[steel turret]

I thought she was responsible for the exhaust organ and that’s why phantom’s guarding it

[zinc pivot]

Who knows, maybe the weavers faced a high hall gauntlet x 10

Imagine 20 choir clappers clapping your ass

[terse warren]

Weavers built the citadel

[molten parcel]

The widow is basically body horror

[sinful nimbus]

Broke: King's Brand is a Wyrm Crest

Woke: Soul Warrior is using a crest—he got his skills by consuming the soul of other bugs, crests are described as "imprint upon their soul", and he is suffering from amnesia, tying into Mask Maker's dialogue about crests (Which he calls masks) erasing your previous identity

Any questions? No? Good

[terse wadi]

same reason why Respawning in HK isn't canon, it doesn't happen, if you die you die, it's steel soul rules in reality

[steel turret]

Then why’s phantom guarding the joint?

[sudden pivot]

there were way less by the time they left Weaver's Nest because most of them fell to the Radiance, however of the few that did make it back I suspect they were picked off one by one rather than her trying to solo them

[zinc pivot]

Phantom and exhaust organ hasnt been mentioned much yeah

[steel turret]

He probably was using a crest, that’s a good point. He’s got the shaman crest

[terse warren]

Idk, someone put her there. Maybe Weavers didn't like her

[edgy barn]

Soul Warrior has the best dream nail dialogue and you can't convince me otherwise.

[sudden pivot]

not much to say, most interesting thing about Phantom imo is that they only put their mask on to fight

[whole estuary]

phantom is basically guarding the back door

[subtle plaza]

you're the type of person to say the menu screen isn't canon to the worlds of video games.

[zinc pivot]

I wonder did phantom come before or after the haunting begins

[molten parcel]

Ghost shades and Cacoons aint cannon

[terse wadi]

Doesn't change the facts

[terse warren]

They'd be traveling together so I doubt that Lace would be able to pick them off. Also source on most of them falling to infection?

[steel turret]

It was my understanding that GMS created Phantom and Lace after she took back control, because she was pissed the weavers weren’t loyal. The weavers built the citadel, but maybe GMS expanded it

[zinc pivot]

Shades ARE canon
If not then Jiji wouldn’t exist

[terse wadi]

and technically they aren't, menu screens have no bearing on the lore it's part of the game itself

[molten parcel]

I though Steel soul was the canon

[silk dirge]

how does this relate to the fact soul warrior can summon infinite follies

[terse warren]

Jiji doesn't normally summon shades she literally says so herself

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think Soul Warrior does that

Follies just appear in soul sanctum

[silk dirge]

he does

[molten parcel]

Why can Ghost revive and not the other vessels then?

[terse wadi]

shades are canon, but you don't revive and retrieve it, that's just you now, you're like the siblings in the abyss

[silk dirge]

he actually doesnt have a cap on the amount of follies he spawns

[terse warren]

They can't. Dying isn't canon

[silk dirge]

its kinda crazy lol

[terse wadi]

It can't, it's a game mechanic

[sudden pivot]

all the Little Weavers we see in Deepnest are visibly infected, and they wouldn't be together every moment of the day she just has to ambush them while they're on their own, and presumably once reaching Pharloom they wouldn't all be headed for the same place in Pharloom so they'd probably split up not long after entering the Citadel

[steel turret]

Why is ghost so much stronger than their sibs, are they just built better?

[sinful nimbus]

In lore they just appear because its in the soul sanctum though

[silk dirge]

yeah

[subtle plaza]

so you're saying hornet doesn't go through the menu screen whenever she wakes up from randomly blacking out because the player closed the game at one point?

[terse wadi]

Probs all the abilities throughout the game plus getting VH

[silk dirge]

but is lore fun when you dont talk about gameplay oversights

[terse warren]

Which little weavers? The enemies? Are they even called weavers?

[silk dirge]

yes

[edgy barn]

Little Weavers

[sudden pivot]

their literal name in the Hunter's Journal is "Little Weavers"

[edgy barn]

That's their name

[silk dirge]

and whats wild about them is they call herrah family in dream nail dialog

[molten parcel]

So caccoons arent canon too, right?

[terse wadi]

Not sure what you're arguing here, gameplay mechanics exist so you can play the game but it has no bearing on the story of said game

[silk dirge]

its apparently just copy pasted deepnest dream nail dialog tho

[sinful nimbus]

I don't think little weavers are canon anymore

[terse warren]

Well that's. Physically impossible and causes quite some issues ty Team Cherry

[sinful nimbus]

Its also not true

[whole estuary]

they could be a “lesser” version idk

[edgy barn]

It's the same as devouts

[zinc pivot]

Well aside from tidbit of game mechanic canonicity it really doesn’t impact the story as much

[terse wadi]

^

[subtle plaza]

little weavers are pharli- oh wait...

[terse warren]

There are no lesser versions, they are never mentioned

[zinc pivot]

Though characters involved with reviving always die in steel soul

[terse warren]

In Silksong, I mean

[molten parcel]

Non canon stuff:
Knight Deaths.
Hornet Deaths.

[sudden pivot]

pretty sure they just interbreeded with Devouts/deephunters, hence why Deepnest Weavers with the exception of Herrah are so much less anthropomorphic than their Pharloom counterparts

[terse wadi]

Respawning exists purely because it would blow to always have to restart the game over small mistakes, and yes steel soul exists but you attempt that when you have a better understanding of the game

[whole estuary]

very well could be not worth talking about in the grand scheme of things, not powerful enough to have any sawy

[terse warren]

Except that breeding is extremely hard for Weavers

[molten parcel]

Weavers are all female?

[terse warren]

Yes

[zinc pivot]

Yes

[whole estuary]

yes

[molten parcel]

Why tho

[terse warren]

GMS wanted daughters, not sons

[sinful nimbus]

TC is sexist

[terse wadi]

yes

[whole estuary]

that’s what meemaw wanted ig

[sudden pivot]

extremely hard not impossible, and the Spiders of Beasts Den would be just about their closest genetic partner

[terse wadi]

Little Weavers are weavers i't just a question of how much

[zinc pivot]

GMS is likely controlling and doesn’t want her children to have children

[sinful nimbus]

TC made the genetically evil race of spiders all women, what did they mean by this?

[terse wadi]

Antigrandma behaviour

[zinc pivot]

So she severely restricts them

[whole estuary]

GMS is a big fan of caste systems, little weavers could be a designed lesser caste that is dead in Pharloom

[silk dirge]

be women commit crimes

[molten parcel]

|| How the hell is lace Even alive at the true end, GMS dies, how is lace still there ||
Massive silksong ending spoil

[terse warren]

No they would not Pharlids are literally so far away from beast den spiders

Also extremely hard means it wouldn't be close to enough for how many we see in the game

[edgy barn]

I don't remember deepnest weavers being less antropomorphic than pharloom weavers?

[zinc pivot]

I mean Laces existence is her own and not tied to GMS

[whole estuary]

the one you see in Weavernest is just shorter iirc

[terse wadi]

Little weavers are specifically the children of the weavers who fled to Hallownest, they have nothing to do with Pharloom

[sudden pivot]

well they are I dunno what to say lol, compare First Sinner to any Deepnest Weaver but Herrah

[zinc pivot]

She will need Hornets silk to sustain ig

[molten parcel]

Wouldnt weavers give birth to pharlids tho

[terse wadi]

Same logic for why hornet has it, she's the progeny of a HB not a creation

[sudden pivot]

they're both spiders, and again they're closer to each other than literally anything else, as for the number of little weavers, first of all literally all of them in Deepnest would be attacking you since Radiance is aggro to the vessels, and second of all enemies respawn infinitely that is clearly a gameplay mechanic and not reflective of the lore, Little Weavers are a rare encounter to get which is more reflective of the lore around them

[silk dirge]

is there a canonical hollow knight lore reason freshman at my university need to take a bus for one stop instead of walking 5 minutes

[terse wadi]

Journal entry for one of the rich bugs in city of tears

[sudden pivot]

they're pledging their worship to the Higher Being of busses

[terse wadi]

Truck-kun

[silk dirge]

sea lion wrapped articulating bus

[terse wadi]

Bros got the ability to transport people's souls to other dimensions def a HB

I'm only half joking, there's an argument for this

[silk dirge]

i need beastlings call irl

[molten parcel]

Wait

[terse wadi]

To have your own beastlings?

[edgy barn]

First Sinner is not more antropomorphic. She's just taller and has a different dress

[molten parcel]

Is the unnamed Town the actual surface or is it still underground

[silk dirge]

to get to classes faster

that would also be a good reason

[terse wadi]

First sinner is the same as other weavers we see in Pharloom

[molten parcel]

Guys,
What exactly is Eva?

[sudden pivot]

where is the right image from? i've seen it before but its the only example I can think of where a Deepnest Weaver looks like that, in every other instance they scuttle on all floors

[terse wadi]

A weaver with a construct body iirc

[edgy barn]

Failed attempt at creating a higher being

[edgy barn]

This is the weaver that appears in HK when leaving the weaver's den

[terse wadi]

The only weaver "adult" we see alive in weaverden but I think it's a teenager at ths point

*this

[molten parcel]

Weaver on hk looks really Bad compared to SS one

[zinc pivot]

I wonder how would eva react if i od on lifeblood in her chamber

[molten parcel]

Die probably

[zinc pivot]

Not before, right inside her chamber

[molten parcel]

Lifeblood on SS is confirmed to be harmful

Not dangerous
Harmful

[whole estuary]

test that

[molten parcel]

Lifeblood doesnt purposely try to infect places, it just grows and whoever comes in contact mutated just like zango

[terse wadi]

We need more info on what makes wormways Lifeblood different than hallownest Lifeblood, Different strain? Zxoytl's expriments? we don't know

[sudden pivot]

there is a cut gif in the game files of that right Weaver moving on all floors, as well we see every other Deepnest Weaver move on all floors, thats the single time we ever see one stand upright

[molten parcel]

The alchemist experimentation probably

[terse wadi]

possible, but like I said, we don't have enough info

[zinc pivot]

That guy and his assistant injected lifeblood WVERYWHERE

[molten parcel]

Tru

[sudden pivot]

like in the cut gif it transitions from that standing pose to scuttling on all floors

[molten parcel]

Sadly we didnt get to SEE lifeblood god

[zinc pivot]

Thats why wormways become a nest of lifeblood infestation

[terse wadi]

Hubris of bug

[sudden pivot]

we can see it in Godhome good enough

[whole estuary]

morphology differs greatly within species, look at the snail shamans

[terse wadi]

We can if we get an elegy of the deep section of wormways

[edgy barn]

Scuttling (moving on all six legs), is an ability weavers have. Widow and First Sinner both perform it in their fights

[molten parcel]

Tbf lifeblood didnt really make zango agressive
He just was throwing lifeblood everywhwre randomly

[zinc pivot]

Elegy of the deep is memory not dream

[edgy barn]

The HK Weaver also does it when fleeing from the Knight, is not a cut animation

[sudden pivot]

but its never depicted as their go-to method of movement is it? I could be wrong but like dont they normally walk on all floors?

[terse wadi]

Memory is def dream adjacent

[sudden pivot]

or no, not on all floors, you know what I mean

[terse wadi]

At least in terms of how it works in SS not necessarily memories themselves

[molten parcel]

Is the alchemist dead

[zinc pivot]

It is specified to enliven memories not dreams

[sudden pivot]

essence in HK is condensed memory basically

[terse wadi]

Memory is pretty tangibly related to dreams in some capacity

[edgy barn]

I am going to go rewatch the fights to check

[terse wadi]

how much I can't say

[zinc pivot]

Unless a connection is made memories and dreams are not connected in silksong

[molten parcel]

Memory on SS is Not The dream realm, but its connected

[terse wadi]

^

[sudden pivot]

I appreciate the commitment!!! :D

[molten parcel]

Both things bring back past events or states of a thing-person

[terse wadi]

Idk about FS but Widow definantly scuttles

[zinc pivot]

So yeah something has to have been there for the elegy to work its memory magic

Hence no lifeblood god through elegy in wormways

[molten parcel]

Dream realm = Brings Past versions of someone or Boost them up.

Memory Realm = Brings back past events based on the person livings or available memory

[terse wadi]

Something could appear in a dlc to cause such a thing to be possible though

Like the original seed embedded holding a memory idk

[zinc pivot]

Realmente

[terse wadi]

Realmente, my favourite

[zinc pivot]

Yeah then we would need an entire lifeblood spire (cut content apparently)

[molten parcel]

While Memory Realm is limited to the person available memory in the moment

Dream real is able to bring stuff the person doesnt fully remember

[terse wadi]

Cut (for now)

[molten parcel]

For Example That Guard knowing the whole path of pain

Memory Realm is Js Downgraded Dream realm

[terse wadi]

who's to say he isn't one of the ones at the end

[molten parcel]

Oh right-

Still pretty weird Even DEAD his memorys are there

[terse wadi]

True

[edgy barn]

Both First Sinner and Widow exclusively get around by scuttling in their fights.

[molten parcel]

I think we getting a lifeblood and expanded memory dlc

[terse wadi]

hopefully

[dark rune]

i've noticed that first sinner and widow both pretend to lose and then get stronger

[molten parcel]

We might fight a memory version of shakra Master or Groal in his Best moments before the pollution

[terse wadi]

Whatever happens, I hope Sharpe is there in the first dlc

[molten parcel]

Btw guys
Did karmelita die after the memory fight?

[dark rune]

what if we fought sherma

[sudden pivot]

very fascinating!!!! perhaps I was wrong then, though I would note that all of the dead Deepnest Weavers seem to have the same shorter statue and less defined upright posture as the living one does

[terse wadi]

yes

[sudden pivot]

mhm

[edgy barn]

pre-pollution Groal would be weaker because no soul usage.

[terse wadi]

We rip their heart out by beating their memory fight

[molten parcel]

Hornet just murdered a innocent old woman sleeping

[terse wadi]

woah woah woah

Karmalita asked for it

lIterally

[molten parcel]

Fair enough

[sudden pivot]

better example, she murdered an innocent gay man and then mounted his heart on her wall as a trophy

[terse wadi]

The innocent one is GP

No reason to kill him

[molten parcel]

Tbf he prob better like that

[terse wadi]

Jokes on you I mounted a different heart on my wall

[molten parcel]

He now is together forever with his lover

[terse wadi]

agreed but the point still stands

[molten parcel]

Lover which we Will probably never see

[sudden pivot]

didnt even know you could do that lmao, makes sense tho

[dark rune]

did karrmelita really need to fight hornet for hornet to get her heart?

[sudden pivot]

Dream Karrmelita wouldnt know shes a dream

[terse wadi]

She does

[dark rune]

ig

[sudden pivot]

so she is just fighting her like she would anyone

[sudden pivot]

the younger version of her we fight in the dream world is aware shes a dream?

[molten parcel]

Hornet accidentally lobotomizes a random guy who was js trying to protect a temple thing

[terse wadi]

GP's heart replaces whoever's you didn't get yet when you turn them in but if you turn them in when you have all 4 it defaults to conjoined heart as your momento so you have to obtain 3 and turn them in and then do the one you want to keep it as your momento

[terse wadi]

Seth is fine though

[molten parcel]

I guess

[sudden pivot]

ahhhhh gotcha, so you have to get three including the Conjoined Heart, then do red memory before getting the last heart to mount it? makes sense

[terse wadi]

Her dying msg when you get the heart seems to imply it

[terse wadi]

Yuh

[molten parcel]

Why did the shamans die when doing the ritual

[terse wadi]

I accidentally did that for Nyleth, that's how I learned of it

[molten parcel]

Also why did the shamans hide their looks

[whole estuary]

poor tipp and pill trying to manage their courier things while hearing a recording of a gruesome surgery and a beating heart coming from hornet’s open bellhome door

[terse wadi]

I got Conjoined, Karma, encrusted, Nyleths icon disappeared, I turned them in, later found out I missed a boss and was initially wondering why Seth was optional until I realized later my actions MADE it optional

[sudden pivot]

I had read that as being modern day Karmelita's last words, I can see that interpetation though

[compact rampart]

Cause they have vanity issue 😔

[sudden pivot]

well, last thoughts not last words

[terse wadi]

idk if I'll ever get Karmalita's heart as a momento though feels distasteful considering Hornet literally says it's for a greater good unlike the others where Khan is dead, GP is depressed and idk what you'd call Nyleth but it's not alive

[terse wadi]

she's reminicing

[sudden pivot]

Hornet doesn't even have an excuse shes just like "ayo bitch I want your heart gimmie" 💀

[terse wadi]

Maybe it's my copium but I think they're just hibernating

[sudden pivot]

if you go for it after doing red memory I mean, saw it on the wiki

[molten parcel]

I wonder where is Herald heading this time

[terse wadi]

she does say she needs her heart and that it's for a greater cause so she needs Karmalita to reminisce and Karmalita says try if you can

[terse wadi]

oh, wild

Crazy

[molten parcel]

But if u alr did the mission then u just lying and stealing her heart for nothing lmao

[sudden pivot]

" Great one, I come not to see you as you are, rather I would know you as were, before the pale monarch, when once your heart beat bright and brave." is her entire commentary on the subject after having gotten the Everbloom

[terse wadi]

That's why I don't get it for my momento

[molten parcel]

Anything but showing wyrm alive

[terse wadi]

feels wrong

[molten parcel]

Did they REALLY get extinct?

[sudden pivot]

seems so yeah, multiple people say so

[terse wadi]

I doubt the entire species is extinct, there likely exists like at least one somewhere but I doubt it's still a giant wyrm

[molten parcel]

No one knows about Radiance and thats funny because it means she def won't come back

Like pharlooms has no idea of her

[terse wadi]

Probably metamorphsized into something

[sudden pivot]

I think she definitely wont come back more so because she got ripped into a billion tiny pieces

[terse wadi]

Well, SoV follows DNM or ETV

In Both endings she's dead as fuck

[molten parcel]

Wait but

I though Radiance could come back no matter what if someone remember her

[compact rampart]

Radiance never died until the knight killed her

[terse wadi]

maybe when she was whole

[edgy barn]

The void consumed her

[terse wadi]

But we killed her

[sudden pivot]

no, its just that she dies if no one remembers her, not that she can come back from anything as long as someone does

[edgy barn]

Hornet should certainly still remember her

[terse wadi]

HB are immortal by age but are killable, albeit very difficult

[edgy barn]

But she still dead

[molten parcel]

Hornet doesnt know Radiance exists
She just knows infection

[terse wadi]

she had no physical form so being forgotten would have erased her existence but she could still die from being killed which she was

[sudden pivot]

she knows the "heart of the infection" is sealed within THK, she knows it comes from a Higher source if nothing else

[molten parcel]

I forgor godseeker is fucking dead

[compact rampart]

Yeah but doesn't know of the radiance specifically

[molten parcel]

At first i though the flower tp him into another place but looks like it just vaporized him

[sudden pivot]

"she could still die from being killed which she was" 🔥 🖊️

[molten parcel]

The flower straight up vaporized godseeker

[lean temple]

And she says even gods can fall from her experience. She knows what's up

[terse wadi]

things get complicated when a being is immortal but not true immortal

[sudden pivot]

indeed

[compact rampart]

Just say ageless and hard to kill

[sudden pivot]

I just thought the phrasing was funny X3

[terse wadi]

that works ig

[sudden pivot]

"people die when they're killed..."

[terse wadi]

it is

[molten parcel]

Canon ending is ETV without Flower

[compact rampart]

Revolutionary information

[sudden pivot]

its a quote from a shitty anime dub lmao

[molten parcel]

Flower ending SL gets vaporized aswell

[quartz flicker]

"Lacenet" as a ship is vastly, vastly inferior to Hornet x Shakra.

[dark rune]

in other news, the leading cause of murder is the victim not being alive anymore

[terse wadi]

Yeah, I realised it when I typed it but didn't know how else to phrase it because she can't die of old age but can be killed

[molten parcel]

Also the fact the flower is still intact on ss

[quartz flicker]

Like Hornet imitates Shakra when she equips the Throwing Ring.

[sudden pivot]

yeah sorry for harping on it I wasnt tryna make fun of you or anything promise!!!!!! just made me giggle

[molten parcel]

So yea, ETVWF is the canon ending i pressume

[terse wadi]

Hornet is consistently called old and Lace consistently a child, so no thank you

[quartz flicker]

Shakra likes and respects Hornet.

[terse wadi]

Nah it's all good it is funny

[molten parcel]

She is called a child because she is inmature

[lean temple]

Hornet as well respects Shakra's skill and strength

[terse wadi]

No

she's literally described as created as a child in body and mind

[lean temple]

"Look of a child and a mind to match"

[molten parcel]

Oh aight

[sudden pivot]

yeah which is why shipping her with someone as mature as hornet is a bit...... ehhhhh.......

[compact rampart]

I mean I personally believe dnm because there are only flashes of the shade lord and the knight isn't fully the shade lord, making me think the potential is there but never reached

[terse wadi]

You forgot the best reason

They can both POSHONKA

[lean temple]

Poshanka!

[compact rampart]

Poshanka!

[dark rune]

poshanka 🔥🔥

[quartz flicker]

i did not forget

[molten parcel]

Always bet on Hornet X Quirrel

[terse wadi]

I interpreted it as both being possible since TC likes keeping things open ended, and SL is also DNM TK with focus so you could also see it as flashes of focus

[molten parcel]

Even though quirrel is fucking dead

[sudden pivot]

I think modern day Hornet might honestly just be aro based on the Great Conchflies hunter's notes

[terse wadi]

No Corpus Delecti

[molten parcel]

Copium

First stage: denial

[dark rune]

i was curious how many times was said... oh my

[terse wadi]

I don't think she's aro or ace i think she's just Nhilistic and likely only consider it again if she found a partner who can match her lifespan

[molten parcel]

Hornet is Hornetsexual

[terse wadi]

No body no proof/j

[dark rune]

hornet seems like shed be bi to me

[lean temple]

Yeah she doesn't want to keep outliving partners

[terse wadi]

Hornet seems pan to me, I don't think she'd care

[sudden pivot]

yeah thats what I meant in so many words, she's aro as a result of having been traumatized by loosing partners to mortal lifespan before

[molten parcel]

All her brothers were agender aromantic, it runs in the family /j

[dark rune]

solution: clone

[molten parcel]

Hornet X Hornet

[terse wadi]

she needs to find a cool HB that isn't an asshole

[lean temple]

The humble Unn:

[terse wadi]

Trueee

[molten parcel]

Sherma is Hornet Son proove me wrong

[quartz flicker]

Silksong DLC story is Hornet trying to find a way to make Shakra immortal.

[sudden pivot]

Unn cant like, talk tho

you cant really have a relationship with Unn

[terse wadi]

[molten parcel]

Unn is a deity lmao

[terse wadi]

This is acceptable

[dark rune]

haunting is an option

[compact rampart]

Well who said

[mint furnace]

Hornet lace shakra polycule will be real, it has to be

[wise beacon]

Hornet can like read her mind with the needolin

[lean temple]

She calls to the mosskin telepathically

[compact rampart]

Unn could totally talk

[molten parcel]

Hornet x Alchemist /j

[terse wadi]

Unn is just Eepy

[quartz flicker]

f off with """"Lacenet""""" alreadty.

[terse wadi]

Maybe after waking up from her nap she talks

[sudden pivot]

City of Steel DLC because you went exploring there with Shakra, it will end with her becoming a free-willed Steel being fr fr trust 💯

[wise beacon]

Just cause you said so or?

[molten parcel]

Didnt unn wake up for like 3 seconds to give us an amulet

[dark rune]

i think we're forgetting we're shipping a relatively small creature with a massive slug

[terse wadi]

she did, but she went back to sleep

[molten parcel]

Unn is a girl....?

[quartz flicker]

Yes. And because it sucks.

[molten parcel]

I though unn was agender aswell

[terse wadi]

I mean, WL did it

[compact rampart]

And? It could work

[wise beacon]

Just because you said so, got it

[terse wadi]

Though Wyrms original form was bigger

[molten parcel]

Way bigger

[sudden pivot]

pretty sure she's referred to as a mother by mosskin but could be misremembering

[molten parcel]

What was White Queen supossed to be, a tree?

[quartz flicker]

Aside from Shakra, I think Second Sentinel would make for a fairly compelling partner for Hornet.

[terse wadi]

Hornet is called old several times and for all intents and purposes she is very old, while lace is literally a child so that's my reasoning but idk

[dark rune]

a "root" or something

[terse wadi]

she's a root, though what that entails we don't know

[sudden pivot]

dont think Second Sentinel has the capacity for relationship unfortunately

[molten parcel]

Giant Worm Mates with A root

Fair enough

[vague raft]

important question how tf did the knight in HK not get eviscerated when delivering the everbloom

[mint furnace]

Lace and second sentinel are the only two immortals we know in pharloom I think

[terse wadi]

Greyroot exists but WL is also a HB and a PB so we don't know if that changes things

[quartz flicker]

why not???

[wise beacon]

It is relatively unkown whether or not that's meant literally, as hornet has also been called a child and lace is effectively immortal yet acts like a child

[mint furnace]

I see the vision

[molten parcel]

Still 0 clue of what happend with hornet and Puré vessel fight

[terse wadi]

why would it?

[vague raft]

knight is void, void no like flower

[dark rune]

true, i hope that ending is expanded upon

[mint furnace]

He’s got pale power too

[sudden pivot]

he's a slave to his programming who never speaks to her again after she spares his life when he tries to kill her

[dark rune]

knight also have shell

[molten parcel]

Void contained in a vessel

[terse wadi]

Anyone who knows hornets true nature calls her old and she is in fact very old, and "the look of a child with a mind to match"

[molten parcel]

Knight is not simply void he got a outer shell

[wild zinc]

What happened to the first sentinel

[terse wadi]

dead probably

[molten parcel]

We dont talk about him

[quartz flicker]

This is super false. You can encounter Second Sentinel in Act 3, and they never attack Hornet again.

[sudden pivot]

Vessels are the offspring of two pale beings who had void seep into their eggs during development, corrupting them

[dark rune]

maybe he keeps the flower in his eye socket when he delivers it

[molten parcel]

No he eats it /j

[wise beacon]

And we have no idea when lace was created, she'd be created sometime before hornet gets to pharloom and after the weavers left which leaves a hell of a lot of time

[mint furnace]

He tests Hornet, see she’s not mindless, then goes back to helping her

[vague raft]

surely his body is unprotected

[molten parcel]

Counterpoint: i activated second sentinel on act 3

[terse wadi]

Being chronologically immortal doesn't change the fact she has the body and mind of a child

[mint furnace]

It also had the capacity to realize that the majority of the pilgrims are no longer their own, and instead protects songclave

[quartz flicker]

So is this a Wishboard quest that can be skipped in Act 2?

[molten parcel]

Lace is child-coded

[sudden pivot]

I never said they attack Hornet again? I said they never speak to her again, which if they have unique act 3 dialogue I was not aware of that, however as far I knew after completing it's wish it simply helps clear rooms for you and once finished bows before leaving without a word

[wise beacon]

The point being that she has developed her mind at some point in time, making her age ambiguous

[terse wadi]

Even if we say that to be true she still has the body of a child

[wise beacon]

Im not saying that she is or isn't a child, but that it's kind of up in the air

[molten parcel]

No i mean i used the heart in act 3

[pine garden]

y'all think Phantom's mask is Lace's mask?

[terse wadi]

no

[quartz flicker]

What happens if you start the Silk & Soul quest, then activate Second Sentinel?

[foggy fractal]

well is she a child in the sense that she was created to have a mind and body of a child yes
is she a child in the age sense no, she was created a decently long time ago iirc, no exact number tho

[terse wadi]

Phantom's mask is either what's left of her shell as it degraded, or it's a replacement because hers is gone

[dark rune]

it intrigues me that there is another mask maker in pharloom, with similar dialogue to the other one

[terse wadi]

Okay but like if they have the body of a child and that body still hasn't developed, still feels kinda wrong

[terse wadi]

Could be a profession rather than a specific person

[sudden pivot]

I think from a lore perspective its kind of an inherently creepy ship but I dont think someone is necessarily creepy for shipping it because even though Lace is stated to have the mind of a child she doesn't particularly behave or look like one at all

[dark rune]

the similar dialogue makes me think they all come from the same place

[terse wadi]

I suppose I can agree with that

[foggy fractal]

well altogether she's still a child
its like a stasis

[terse wadi]

won't be doing it myself though

[terse wadi]

see that's why I'm like, no

[sand jolt]

that was my thinking or could be a family lineage thing like with the nailmasters.

[foggy fractal]

plus there are better ships such as 🗣️ FATHER OF THE FLAME X CRAWFATHER !!!!

[terse wadi]

Nailmasters isn't family lineage, sly's studens just happen to be brothers

[sudden pivot]

yeah like if I just saw cute wholsome fanart of them matching outfits or cuddling or something, wouldn't be for me, but I wouldn't have any harsh judgements for the person who made it

[terse wadi]

Karmalita X hornet

[dark rune]

anyone else interested by the fact that pharloom knew of hallownest but hallownest didn't know of pharloom

[wise beacon]

She dead as fuck though

[quartz flicker]

If Hornet could time travel this would go hard as fuck.

[terse wadi]

Hornet learns necromancy/j

[sand jolt]

oh yeah… that’s right neeeeevermind.

[dark rune]

BROODMOTHER X PHANTOM

[sudden pivot]

specfically old Karmalita, this is the reason you get the Conjoined Heart instead 🗣️

[wise beacon]

I mean it makes sense

[dark rune]

phantomother

[sudden pivot]

PK knew of Pharloom he kept it from his citizens

[terse wadi]

Oh that idc I just meant they shouldn't be intimately involved romantically or otherwise

[sudden pivot]

indeed :P

[dark rune]

why do you think he knew of pharloom

[sudden pivot]

cause he knew of the Weavers and how their magic worked, and he had travelled the Wastes Beyond extensively in his previous life

like "The Pale Wyrm" was an incredibly infamous figure long before he settled down in Hallownest, to my understanding

[wise beacon]

The only reason im kinda iffy on that statement is that lace is kinda just doomed to no love if she so wanted it until someone makes another concept of similar body yknow?

Or unless she somehow someway modifies her body

[foggy fractal]

idk Hornet can maybe do something about it

[sudden pivot]

I think the implication would be that shes ace/aro due to having the mind of a child

[dark rune]

petition for a :poshanka: emoji to go with

[wise beacon]

Its kinda fucked up in a way when you think about it

[sudden pivot]

Hornet gives her like a sisterly love

she compares her to Ghost and THK

[foggy fractal]

another sibling to the collection

[sudden pivot]

exactly

[wise beacon]

Because of her being a creation to serve a purpose

[terse wadi]

Strictly speaking, Lace is Hornet's Aunt, Lace is a direct child of GMS, Hornet is the child of a weaver making GMS her Grandma and Lace her Aunt since the weavers and Lace would be sisters or half sisters

[sudden pivot]

she has to make up her quota for all the ones she killed

[terse wadi]

Yeah

[wise beacon]

GMS helped evolve the weavers, not directly birth them iirc

[terse wadi]

I know

[wise beacon]

They aren't related in anyway

[sudden pivot]

she would be a cousin not an aunt

[terse wadi]

They're more daughters in the theological sense

[proud swan]

I mean yes, but they are daughters ("she called us daughters..."

[dark rune]

when?

[proud swan]

Wow I answered to an really old comment

[terse warren]

hornet beats the shit out of her thrice

yeah sounds like sisterly love actually

[terse wadi]

No? Lace is a child of GMS, GMS is Hornet's Grandmother she's literally a generation below

[terse warren]

they're not like actually related tho

[terse wadi]

That'd make Lace her Aunt

[wise beacon]

Correct

[sudden pivot]

considering Hornet's track record with her siblings thats incredible progress and we should all tell Hornet we're very proud of her

[terse wadi]

Not biologically no

[dark rune]

it's not "Grandmother Silk" it's "Grand Mother Silk"

like she's a mother and she's grand

[foggy fractal]

is she grand tho.

[terse warren]

she still is technically her grandma tho lol

[terse warren]

andy please don't slander my goat gms she's the only thing i have left

[wise beacon]

She is the Grand Mother of Silk

[terse wadi]

I know

[wise beacon]

She is the silk higher being, which is the point

[dark rune]

yeah

[lean temple]

She's a god

[whole estuary]

the weavers are daughters in the sense that nun orders often call themselves “daughters” kinda

[proud swan]

Come on you ain't gotta be related by blood or give birth to someone. They're daughters in a whole another sense

[terse warren]

no her name is literally silk tho

[terse wadi]

She is the Grand mother, of silk, but to Hornet in terms of a quote on quote family tree she would be her grandmother

[terse warren]

hornet never even met gms saying they're related at all is a stretch

[wise beacon]

Yeah basically, especially with the heavy religious theme of the game

[foggy fractal]

not after act 3 muwhahaha

[sudden pivot]

Herrah is not Lace's sister, one can assume she wasnt of First Sinner's generation the Deepnest Weavers left far after that, theres a lot of generations between Herah and Lace, that makes them cousins so many times removed

[wise beacon]

Not mutually exclusive

[terse wadi]

Fellows in a religion are called sisters and or brothers and the god is usually the parent making the followers "children"

[whole estuary]

I like calling GMS Meemaw because it’s funny and it obfuscates her and her final boss status to people who haven’t fought her

[proud swan]

How come there are generations? Do we have evidence weavers reproduced?

[quartz flicker]

Why is the Bell Beast one of so few NPCs and enemies with absolutely no Needolin dialogue?

[terse warren]

😭

[proud swan]

Outside of hornet of course

[wise beacon]

Then everyone in game would be siblings

[terse warren]

the weavers are all from the same generations if fully weaver lmao

[terse warren]

no thoughts head empty

[sudden pivot]

Little Weavers in the first game, and we know Weavers still have the desire to produce even though its difficult, also the fact there were eight weavers and quarter weavers and sixteenth weavers all over the place GMS was tryna capture

[rancid dagger]

im pretty sure either herrah is stated to be a full weaver or hornet is stated to be 1/2 weaver which means herrah is a full weaver

[foggy fractal]

well given we know that Hornet is 50% weaver meaning Herrah was full, weavers having children is nigh impossible, and that they're all female its fair to say that Herrah a first generation

[wise beacon]

Do we know if herrah is full weaver

[whole estuary]

ya rare but possible

[wise beacon]

Cause she sure doesn't look like it

[quartz flicker]

Little Weavers are tied to the Charm. They aren't fully alive like normal bugs.

[sudden pivot]

Herah was born from Weaver parents who were born from Weaver parents however many generations until First Sinner's gen is mutated/born by GMS

[foggy fractal]

little weavers like the enemy

[whole estuary]

You’re thinking of Weaverlings

[proud swan]

I doubt she is not, since weavers we're pretty much worried about hornet not being one to be governed by someone that is not

[terse warren]

that's because TC retconned the hell out of her

Herrah is first fully weaver because hornet is only half weaver

[sudden pivot]

its not "nigh impossible" its very difficult thats a massive extrapolation

[rancid dagger]

we know this to be wrong since hornet is half weaver

[sudden pivot]

...and????

[wise beacon]

I think i get it

[quartz flicker]

oh damn I forgot there was an enemy called that

[terse warren]

all weavers are girls

[sudden pivot]

Herrah being born from two Weaver parents would be full Weaver

[rancid dagger]

all weavers are female
if herrah wasn't full weaver then hornet wouldnt be half weaver

[rancid dagger]

all weavers are female

[proud swan]

we weavers are gurls

[foggy fractal]

I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task. - Eva

[lean temple]

Where are all the male Weavers needed to do that? They don't exist as far as we know

[sudden pivot]

many spider species are capable of asexual reproduction

[rancid dagger]

the weavers were not considering herrah had to mate with the pale king

[sudden pivot]

no she wanted her offspring to be of high birth thats why the bargin was made

[terse warren]

if they were, the child would look the same as the mom

also there's no evidence weavers can do that, you're just making it up

[lean temple]

You would think this would be stated instead of only having the "near impossible" bit.
Example "it is nearly impossible for Weavers to bear children normally. However another way, not requiring a mate, is possible"

[sudden pivot]

there's nothing suggesting they need a mate either, you're right it's complete fanfic land either way at this point though

[rancid dagger]

the only known weaver offspring we have is produced with a mate so that is something suggesting that

[terse wadi]

Well, to give an example,|| in Part 4, Joseph cheats on his wife and has a kid with a Japanese woman, that kid who is a lot younger than Jotaro who is Joseph's grandson is technically his uncle ||the time of lace's Birth is kind of irrelevant if she is a direct progeny of GMS and Hornet is a generation below because she is the child of a weaver who while not biologically her children are her "Daughters" this would make Hornet the Grand child of GMS, and Lace being the child not the grand child of GMS would make Lace Hornets Aunt, I suppose you could argue Herrah isn't an original weaver but we have no tangible proof either way

[proud swan]

It's implied in a lot of dialogues that weavers hardly have any offspring though. Evas dialogue, for example. Imo it is likely that every single weaver was evolved directly by GMS

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/jotaro-jotaro-kujo-kujo-jotaro-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-jjba-gif-4536688621833451639

[sudden pivot]

can you quote the nigh impossible statement? having a lot of trouble finding it

[terse wadi]

Meow

[rancid dagger]

also we know weavers live a long ass time considering widow is also first gen

[proud swan]

Also y'all talking about "grand mother silk" and not "grandmother silk", you ever heard of an intentional pun

[terse wadi]

we're aware

[foggy fractal]

Eva: I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task.
Hornet: I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also its victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits.

[sudden pivot]

dont know enough about JoJo's for the comparison to mean anything to me, sorry ^^;

[lean temple]

1 sec please. It's Eva dialogue

[terse wadi]

Long story short, Grandpa had a kid with another woman later in life but he has living grand children, the kid is younger than the grandkid but technially his uncle because the kid is a direct child and not a grand child

[lean temple]

Yep this one

[sudden pivot]

someone already showed me it no worries!!! ^^

[wise beacon]

Yknow when you think about it, the sample size of everything in these games are small given all of the death

It creates quite a bit of what ifs with few answers

[terse wadi]

Which is to say time doesn't mean much in terms of generations if the originator has another kid it is higher in the tree in spite of it being younger

[sudden pivot]

I mean its just obviously not so hard as she says it is since theres so many second generation Weavers running around I dont know what else to make of that to be quite frank, I think shes exaggerating

[rancid dagger]

yeah but there's stuff that's all but confirmed though, herrah being a first gen weaver is pretty obvious

[wise beacon]

Not talking about that but sure

[rancid dagger]

"so many" we have like 4 cells in the cradle of 1/4 and 1/8 weavers

[foggy fractal]

well how many do we know of ? 3 ?

[sudden pivot]

way more in the background you cant interact with, every cage we see would have been for a weaver, not to metion Little Weavers

[proud swan]

Koal you my twin but I can't agree with you 🙁

[foggy fractal]

there is I think one 1/4, two 1/8, and then Hornet being 1/2

[foggy fractal]

that's it

[dark rune]

what do you guys think of both widow and first sinner doing a fakeout

[rancid dagger]

not necessarilly used, but even if they were, remember that first gen weavers have existed for many centuries

[terse wadi]

Aside from Hornet and Little weavers what other second generation weavers do we know of, since the only ones we encounter are full weavers

[wise beacon]

I do remember there being a 1/2 marked cage but I don't think that's hornets since hers is all the way in moss grotto

[rancid dagger]

just a couple dozen kids in CENTURIES is not really "so many"

[foggy fractal]

well given that Silksong came after we shouldn't assume that Little Weavers make sense

[terse wadi]

what about it

[sudden pivot]

its a hell of a lot more than "nigh impossible" would suggest

[dark rune]

might be common among weavers as a dirty tactic

[sudden pivot]

I refuse to believe they would retconn something like that, to each their own

[terse wadi]

Night impossible just means it's possible but the conception rate is severely low

[terse warren]

little weavers might not even be canon anymore

[terse wadi]

*nigh

[wise beacon]

Well hornet was born within a relatively short time so there being so few that we know of doesn't help

[rancid dagger]

considering they retconned voidheart and shamans

[terse wadi]

why wouldn't they be, they're weaver children not original weavers

[sudden pivot]

??? what retconn

[rancid dagger]

plus little weavers might just be constructs

[terse warren]

nigh impossible means by all means only a couple weavers out of all of em would be able to get kids

[sudden pivot]

huh????

[foggy fractal]

oh they retcon a lot of stuff
idk what else to say besides that theres a bunch of evidence suggesting that Herrah was first generation and not much counterargument against it

[rancid dagger]

shamans being into void shenanigans and voidheart not unifying the void under the knight's will

[foggy fractal]

ok I gotta go eat bye

[terse warren]

because they seem to be full weavers and because there's too manyof em

[terse warren]

[wise beacon]

I mean they did stop once the knight did get there

[sudden pivot]

the Voidheart did unite the Void under its will just not the entire void, thats not the same as retconning something out of the story

[rancid dagger]

knight had to attack them to stop

[sudden pivot]

it had the aid of it's sibling shades

[wise beacon]

And then they stopped, yeah

[rancid dagger]

unifies the void and then THE void is not under the knights will

[rancid dagger]

if the void is unified under the knights will they shouldnt need to attack the tendrils at all

[whole estuary]

It’s a Choral Commandment and it specifically calls for a trip to the kingdom of the White Wyrm

[terse warren]

that's not how it's supposed to work. they should just fully stop moving.

[clever grove]

So the last track in the OST is called Silksong. What is the silksong?

[rancid dagger]

or not be doing that in the first place

[wise beacon]

We've literally never seen it in action except for that though

[sudden pivot]

yeah they retconned what they meant by the void in that instance, they meant specifically the lake in the Hallownest Abyss not the entire thing, like I said not the same thing as retconning something out of the story

[terse wadi]

Shamans have always been implied to possibly mess with void and VH still applies But SS showed us the void is a giant expanse, it's still very much unified as we see TK show up and calm it, it's very likely that due to the massive expanse it takes time for TK to exercise its will that far away

[wise beacon]

The only time the void doesn't react is when the knight is near it, it could be am automatic reaction UNTIL the knight is aware or near it

[terse wadi]

That's just a gameplay mechanic imo, in actuality I don't think there's that many

[rancid dagger]

that's just a justification for the retcon though? like the void is not just hallownest's abyss and the knight takes the form of the void given form and focus

[wise beacon]

Like maybe the knight isn't omnipresent type thing

[subtle plaza]

it is explicitly the surface

[terse wadi]

Imo not necessarily

[rancid dagger]

shamans in hollow knight didn't even know about void as a source of power

[sudden pivot]

you're missing the point, there is NO retconn they have made that would come even close to the lore implications of utterly de-canonizing Little Weavers

[clever grove]

Like is it an actual song sung in Pharloom?

[wise beacon]

What was going on with the one in sanctum, i legit forgot

[proud swan]

a king that unifies a kingdom does not mean a king is every individual or that individuals don't have free will. unify could mean that he is powerful enough to control the entire void, and not that the voids will is the knights will

[pine garden]

weren't all first gen Weavers female? Since they're all called daughters

[terse warren]

we are taking their soul and using our own void by fusing it with them to make the void spells

[terse wadi]

I think it is all void but it's a expanse since SS has proven is massive and just like how irl it takes time for light to travel, it takes time for TK's orders to reach all the way into Pharlooms void

[pine garden]

so there couldn't be fully weaver non-first gen Weavers right?

[wise beacon]

K

[rancid dagger]

in soul sanctum? he was experimented on im pretty sure

[terse warren]

The Void Heart retcons is MAGNITUDES more important than little weavers not existing lmao

[sudden pivot]

some spiders can reproduces asexually, we have no reason to assume the Pharlids were not also all female and therefore would have need for asexual reproduction

[dark rune]

if i had a nickel for every hollow knight game where the final boss was an ancient overlooked lady with an hourglass figure that overtook the new kingdom by controlling the citizens i would have 2 nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[terse wadi]

The Shamans are related to all void spell upgrades, that's definantly enough to say they probably dabbled in it

[pine garden]

true

[subtle plaza]

maybe little weavers are still canon? Maybe after a pharlid turns into a weaver their offspring could also maybe be a weaver? But i'm not too inclined to believe that since weavers having offsprings are very difficult.

[terse warren]

#sk-lore message

[sudden pivot]

agree to disagree lmao

[rancid dagger]

no im not missing anything little weavers could just be made into normal ass spiders and it would have 0 implications, voidheart not working as it's supposed to is literally the biggest change possible

[proud swan]

I mean we do have a reason, since the only weaver shown to reproduce needed a mate

[terse warren]

Void Heart officially less important than Little Weavers chat you heard it right here

[sudden pivot]

it works exactly like its supposed to 🙄

[terse wadi]

I'm not longer mentioning little weavers though why you mentionin this

[rancid dagger]

it is stated that you turn the shaman's power into void yourself, not that the shaman uses void power

[terse warren]

wrong link

[terse wadi]

Alr

[sudden pivot]

strawman, thats not what im saying and you know it 🙃

[dark rune]

what exactly changed about the void heart?

[subtle plaza]

wait they retconned void heart??? how??

[rancid dagger]

that's just a fundamental misunderstanding of void heart on your part then

[sudden pivot]

ditto

[terse warren]

what marmo just said

[terse wadi]

TK doesn't have the random ability to turn a spell into void, but it's quite clear the implication drawn here is that they may have studied it and SS basically confirms that, that they dabbled in it

[rancid dagger]

doesn't unify the void under the knight's will

[pine garden]

okay I'm not good at lore with games like Silksong. Whats the deal with snail shamans in Silksong? Like I get that them almost destroying Pharloom was an accident, they thought GMS would just die after being swallowed by the void and that would be that, but they seemed like they did not give a fuck about what was going on

[whole estuary]

even with voidheart you still take damage from jumping into void pools iirc

[rancid dagger]

"you've twisted it into something else"

[sinful nimbus]

No you don't

[sudden pivot]

literally does, just not the entire void, what "void" meant changed the unifying part did not

[sinful nimbus]

TK having to attack void tendrils is goofy no matter how you slice it

[terse warren]

which is still a retcon???

[terse wadi]

An external factor is still necessary to achieve it said thing being a shamans body in 2/3 cases

There's still a catylist

[rancid dagger]

then shit isn't unified lol and there's no logical reason for there to be a distinction between void in halllownest and void anywhere else

[sudden pivot]

YEAH BUT A LOT LESS MAJOR ONE THAN REMOVING SOMETHING FROM LORE ENTIRELY HOLY SHIT FUCK YOU GUYS

[terse warren]

and also it literally does control pharloom's void

[proud swan]

Hard disagree, it shows he has power over them

[dark rune]

if the knight isn't willing anything over the void then it can do whatever it wants

[sudden pivot]

sorry that was mean im really tired and engry, not actually fuck you guys

[sinful nimbus]

Sure but its not controlling them like it did in HK

[rancid dagger]

if they had power over them they wouldn't need to attack them

[sudden pivot]

but holy shit im so done with this convo, later yall lol

[terse wadi]

Yeah

wait wrong msg

[rancid dagger]

that makes no sense because the knight attacked the tendrils instead of just stopping them

[terse warren]

gchanging how one of the most important things in the game works is quite more important than removing a frankly not important enemy ngl

[terse wadi]

Yeah

[terse warren]

reading comprehension devil

[proud swan]

That makes no sense. He could be a different entity, does not mean that all void acts under his will. But he can enforce his will through power and violence. Like, you know, most LORDS do

[rancid dagger]

and it's not even removing rather just making the name be different or not have any implications

[sinful nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh0rsgusmDs

[rancid dagger]

that's not how the void or void heart works

[wise beacon]

Aura farming

[sudden pivot]

as I said the first time you brought this up, agree to disagree lmao

[sinful nimbus]

There is not a single good SS retcon its honestly impressive

[rancid dagger]

genuinely the most sensible justification for SS voidheart 😭

[terse warren]

i do think Hornet being half weaver is more interesting than being a random ass spider

[rancid dagger]

i'd say herrah being a weaver and lifeblood shenanigans are good retcons

[proud swan]

Could you elaborate further?

[wise beacon]

I could believe TC would only make the ending do that because it looked cool

[sinful nimbus]

She was half wyrm

That alone justified her powers idk why they needed to make Herrah a weaver

[rancid dagger]

already have i honestly cba

[sinful nimbus]

Lifeblood is laughably uninteresting though

Infection #3

[rancid dagger]

depends on how they develop it further tbf

[sinful nimbus]

(That Hornet is complacent in allowing to happen)

[pine garden]

wasn't it known that Herrah was a weaver in HK? She was the leader of the weavers right?

[terse warren]

lifeblood is just infection again they looked at all the possible routes and chose the lamest of all of them

[pine garden]

she just looked different to them being much larger

[rancid dagger]

leader of spider tribe not weavers

[wise beacon]

Actually I think the weavers being able to pass on their knowledge is considerably interesting. It would make them capable of giving a legacy longevity even when they are gone

[sinful nimbus]

She was the ruler of Deepnest as a whole, her resemblance to regular spiders more than the weavers made it more likely that she was a normal one

[terse wadi]

I still think my theory is sound, void, like light irl takes time to travel, a lightyear is a measure of distance, one lightyear is a years worth of time for light to travel to that point if we treat void like the possibly nigh infinite expanse it might be under all of HK universe like space is and light then it takes time for Tk's commands to reach the void in Pharloom presuming TK has to travel from Hallownests void to Pharlooms void

[rancid dagger]

still wouldn't need to attack the tendrils

[pine garden]

aight, still I dont think its necessarily a retcon since it was never confirmed she wasn't a weaver

[whole estuary]

Yea it very well could be an automatic response that the knight had to pick up on and go “oops sorry sis”

[sinful nimbus]

It doesn't need to be explicitly confirmed to be a retcon

[terse warren]

i agree but that doesn't mean that hornet being half weaver is also not good to be a thing

[wise beacon]

I think the most interesting part of it is that the knight still has a form to maintain, which could mean that they aren't always there

[sinful nimbus]

Its still inconsistent with the first game, heck they even redesigned her to be more weaver like

[terse warren]

she quite literally has a different appearence between the two games

[rancid dagger]

she doesn't look like a weaver, she never did weaver stuff, hornet was never stated to have any strange weaver power

wrong reply

[terse warren]

the FUCK is up with my english today

[whole estuary]

What

[rancid dagger]

wrong reply sry

[whole estuary]

Ah ok lol

[terse wadi]

My interpretation was that was faster than issuing an order based on time of arrival but we'll never truly know

[forest blade]

Who wins in a fight a flea or a grub

[rancid dagger]

same im so fucking tired i can't type properly 😭

[sinful nimbus]

Fleas

[terse wadi]

possibly

[sinful nimbus]

There's a flea enemy yet no grub enemy... curious

[pine garden]

so does Hornet. Its not that major and also the red memory space with Herrah isn't reliable, Hornet couldn't remember Herrah's face, so I'm fine if her appearance isn't accurate as well

[whole estuary]

they snuggle

[sinful nimbus]

Though ig grubs have a slight connection to healing

[wise beacon]

Are you talking about the cloth being red?

[rancid dagger]

i'd agree if siblings in the first game were still hostile for an instant after acquiring VH

[terse warren]

im talking about her fat ass being gone

[wise beacon]

I don't remember much of her appearance being different in the cutscene

[dark rune]

depends on if a grubberfly or a big flea is involved

[terse warren]

hornet only changed her cloth to a slightly brighter red what are you on about

[rancid dagger]

they remove half her body lmao

[sinful nimbus]

In HK Herrah looked more like a regular spider and had no substantial connections to the weavers
In SS Herrah looks more like a weaver and is confirmed to be one

Its a pretty clear retcon though whether or not you like it is up to taste

[rancid dagger]

she couldnt remember her face because she spent centuries dreaming with the mask on though, her body never changed

it is a retcon, doesn't mean it wasn't a good decision

[sinful nimbus]

Personally I dislike it on the grounds that it doesn't service the story

[terse wadi]

i already went over how I believe it has to do with distance, and VH was achieved in Hallownest and TK is also there exercising its influence is immidiately possible

[rancid dagger]

i feel like it gives a deeper connection to the main villain + a reason why hornet would be able to bind GMS

[terse wadi]

Ngl it's possible Herrah just got a redesign which TC is allowed to do

[proud swan]

Yeah this is a good explanation. To me it might as well be that controlling or unifying the void does not mean you have control over ALL of the void ALL the time

[rancid dagger]

yeah so if the knight was physically in pharloom to attack the tendril it should've been able to stop it by that logic

[wise beacon]

Sure but that's hostility in relation to the knight, not to a non void being

[sinful nimbus]

Its a very tenuous connection, Hornet would be able to do that anyway (Also the first ending sucks)

[pine garden]

wdym Hornet being half Weaver is massively important for the story

[whole estuary]

assumedly they’d have to take time to get there

[sinful nimbus]

The story would work if she got her soul powers from her father and the silk from her mother

[terse warren]

i do think some more Wyrm stuff being explored would've been cool

[wise beacon]

Like the void obviously can ovserve and move as seen in the radiance fight, but I'm not quite sure that it's the night controlling the void as much as leading them

[foggy fractal]

hey guys

[tawny dirge]

guys quick question, do you think it is possible for other sentient spider-like creatures to exist?

[rancid dagger]

it just feels like a lot of people are trying to justify the void heart retcon in whatever way tbh but i dont really mind as long as they expand on a future dlc on how the void given focus actually works

[pine garden]

also eh Herrah doesn't look that much different between the games aside from being red, which could just be a different cloth since we know Weavers weave their clothes

[main osprey]

Do we know what Shakra's "sayings" translate to

[proud swan]

even if the void is unified for example Lace still has her own attacks and we could hardly say TK is responsible for it lol now this might be a retcon yeah, but I do think it can fit the description

[sinful nimbus]

We see other sentient spiders in HK so

[tawny dirge]

hooray

[main osprey]

Like what meaning is Poshanka

[rancid dagger]

like it's not necessarilly a bad retcon but to try to justify it being the same concept as it was in hollow knight is just straight up massive reaching

[rancid dagger]

poshanka

[tawny dirge]

I can make a jumping spider based oc in my head

[terse warren]

hey andy

[terse wadi]

My logic like I said based on my explanation is in all likelihood TK had just arrived and the faster course of action was to attack it to protect hornet rather than issue an order, this is of course speculation but if my theory holds true, to me, it makes sense

[sinful nimbus]

Bug language is gibberish

[foggy fractal]

seems to be a greeting

[wise beacon]

It's more of that it's kind of ambiguous what it does already

[lucid fossil]

Poshanka

[terse warren]

and the big ass body??

[pine garden]

yeah I think that's an alright reasoning

[wise beacon]

As we've never seen the void interact with a non void individual

[sinful nimbus]

In HK its not like TK was issuing orders to the void, it was the void

[terse warren]

Poshanka is "a warrior's greeting"

[rancid dagger]

using your logic the only way attacking is faster than "issuing an order" is the knight moving faster than light

[foggy fractal]

yep

[rancid dagger]

this

[sinful nimbus]

If I instinctively try to suckerpunch someone I don't need to slap my hand to prevent that I just need to pull it away

[wise beacon]

The knight also could have just decided not to, as the same outcome was obtained

[pine garden]

you mean the pointy stuff behind Herrah in the Silksong screenshot? I assumed it wasn't her body but other stuff, dunno like blankets or something

[rancid dagger]

which makes no logical sense and is why im saying you cant justify voidheart being the same as it was in the first game

[terse warren]

i mean that herrah has a massive body in the right image and a slender one in the left one

[foggy fractal]

Retcon discourse

• Pale King's constructs
• Lifeblood in Wormways
• Voidheart
• Herrah & Weavers
  any I'm missing ?

[terse wadi]

whichever required less thought process imo

[sinful nimbus]

Do y'all think Hornet being racist counts as a retcon

[pine garden]

whats the retcon with Pale Kings constructs and Lifeblood?

[sinful nimbus]

She wasn't racist in HK

[wise beacon]

It makes no logical sense to not care about the actions if the result is the same?

[rancid dagger]

this is just massive reaching to deny voidheart being retconned

[lucid fossil]

how was lifeblood retconned

[terse warren]

Shamans

Technically 3 Queens? Vespa said the Hive didn't wanna take part in Hallownest's eternal kingdom shit

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah I forgot about shamans

[rancid dagger]

if you are gonna slap someone but you dont want to would you pull your hand away with your other arm or just not slap them?

result is the same

[terse warren]

You commit genocide twice in this game, you kill the last Verdanian and the last 2 Karakians

[edgy barn]

We hadn't access to her notes in HK so perhaps she was and we just didn't known

[wise beacon]

Depends on how upset i was

[rancid dagger]

she hated vessels 🔥

[terse wadi]

Believe what you want, I presented my argument

[tawny dirge]

she hadn't met those dirty flies in hk

[rancid dagger]

i need to stop replying to or bringing up voidheart discourse

[pine garden]

I really dont think its a major difference, her body could be hidden by those pointy thingies all around her, she could be half laid down or there could be a space to sit inside where she is. Also this is a red memory of a very old memory for Hornet, its pretty heavily implied Hornet doesn't have accurate memories from this time, she herself even says that she can't even recall her own mothers face anymore

[wise beacon]

Im literally just forming an analysis based on the provided evidence since we have never been given this situation before

[lucid fossil]

I thought they were referring to their attempts to stop the radiance or sum. I’m pretty sure Vespa still trained hornet, I think there was a post by TC that said something about hornet being trained by 3 queens

[sinful nimbus]

I feel like it conflicts with her previous characterization as a down to earth and ethical individual

[whole holly]

she is might be wearing cloth and color faded

[terse warren]

It was any idea they had but never worked on

[foggy fractal]

herrah

[rancid dagger]

because the situation isn't supposed to be able to happen and is the reason why voidheart was retconned, to what degree that's for TC to develop in the future

[lucid fossil]

How is this girl a weaver bro 😭😭

[rancid dagger]

and that's the last im gonna talk about voidheart im just gonna fucking censor that word 😭

[proud swan]

You do have to account for the fact herrah is laying down for centuries and cannot do physical exercise

[foggy fractal]

no idea maybe they'll expand on it in a dlc ? I hope so at least

[lean temple]

Possible she could get a redesign

[pine garden]

are we talking about the flies in the Slab? To be fair she was literally imprisoned and stripped naked by them

[lucid fossil]

Wtf is a weaver anyways dude I thought I understood it after seeing the first sinner cutscene

[terse wadi]

Ngl, I think TC was treating it like how we dislike pests irl, like, I wouldn't mind if Mosquitos breeded less but if you said that about another race it'd be fucked up, I think TC forgot for a sec they were making a game about bugs as people

[lucid fossil]

Apparently there’s more layers to “weaver”

[terse wadi]

I could be wrong but that's how I interpret it

[sinful nimbus]

She writes it if that doesn't happen too

Also that's no excuse to be racist, every enemy is hostile

[terse warren]

It doesn't have to happen

Also that's not justification to call for their genocide

[lucid fossil]

there is definitely bug racism

[wise beacon]

We aren't given a reason for it to not be able to happen though. We don't know the knight's reach as the bearer of voidheart

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah

[foggy fractal]

yeah 😭 otherwise we would have to argue that TC themselves are racist which y'know

[terse wadi]

Oh there is, I just meant the eugenics fresh fly comment

[pine garden]

first of all its obviously the intended way for Hornet to reach the Slab, is by kidnapping. Second does she call for their genocide?

[proud swan]

a weaver is anything we want it to be

[lucid fossil]

the knight is weaver

[sinful nimbus]

She writes about how she wants them to stop breeding and after killing Broodmother hopes that they all die out

[terse wadi]

Probably not

[sinful nimbus]

Also you don't need to sequence break to enter the slab or anything

[terse warren]

Of course TC didn't mean to make Hornet racist but it's kinda how it panned out

[proud swan]

the knight is void. no-thing. so you lose

[rancid dagger]

making a racist character accidentally or on purpose does not mean they are racist what 😭

[lucid fossil]

I didn’t even know about the jailers LOL I found the slab from act 2

[sinful nimbus]

Its perfectly plausible that a player can get to there from the Citadel because they made an entire one-way passageway from the Citadel to the Slab

[whole estuary]

Yea there’s a bunch of jokes about how we view the bugs irl, eg. “craws fouling up my roof” and “ant problem” both with Criege

[lucid fossil]

umm is mendebrug weaver

[wise beacon]

Yknow after seeing what she did to that dude with her cloak, she definitely felt a type of way about them

[pine garden]

thats fucked up but I guess she was that pissed off after being kidnapped by them. You have to consider that she was just kidnapped at the start of the game in the same way and forced to come to this fucked up kingdom of Pharloom, when the same caging runes were used on her to get to the slab, it probably felt traumatic to her

[wise beacon]

If you believe it to be in your heart

[proud swan]

YES

[terse wadi]

Yeah, I think TC wrote that from the perspective of humans to pests, like we'd say that about like mosquitos but obviously about another human race would be fucked and TC had a bit of a mental slip when writing that and forgot bugs are people in their games

[lucid fossil]

no they just took her cloak nonconsensuallg so she hated them

[rancid dagger]

nah dude with the cloak was justifying, saying they are disgusting and shouldnt reproduce on the other hand 🥀

[pine garden]

and Hornet is a good individual but even good individuals can have groups they really hate

[sinful nimbus]

Well she doesn't wish eugenics upon the Citadel's caste

[terse wadi]

Love those

[sinful nimbus]

Also in the same journal entries she acknowledges they are slaves which makes it really really weird

[proud swan]

NAH MISS ME WITH THAT

[lucid fossil]

They are

[sinful nimbus]

"These guys are slaves I hate them"

[lucid fossil]

Both the jailers and prisoners are slaves

[rancid dagger]

i really hate soccer fans and i dont wish they didn't reproduce 😭

[pine garden]

hey she's not perfect, she just hates them what else can we say

[sinful nimbus]

Good individuals don't advocate for eugenics 😭 🙏

[terse wadi]

I always saw it as they are slaves comma I hate them

[whole estuary]

The jailer system seems to be somewhat self-enforced

[sinful nimbus]

Its a monumental fumble even if unintentional

[sinful nimbus]

Bro what

[wise beacon]

They are objectively disgusting. How would you feel if you got imprisoned, taken to another kingdom, got traoped in someone's spit, captured again, stripped of your clothes and weapons, then got dropped from a vertical tunnel

[terse wadi]

definantly

[proud swan]

Good individuals actually advocate so bad individuals dont exist. horseshoe theory confirmed

[pine garden]

it is, the flies dont even remember what their original sin was of their ancestors but assume they have to continue doing their jobs so they do

[lucid fossil]

Some people would probably like that

[rancid dagger]

extremely angry but not genocidal 😭

[sinful nimbus]

They are slaves being forced to do that

[proud swan]

Been there. not cool

[sinful nimbus]

Wishing genocide upon them paints Hornet as extremely irrational and frankly evil

[whole estuary]

Not good for Hornet herself to go “they should stop breeding” but they are very much perpetuating the cycle
also the broodmother lore is. eugh

[terse warren]

She writes that even if she doesn't get captured

[lucid fossil]

Girl of course hornet isn’t perfect the judges attack her we know this

[sinful nimbus]

They aren't perpetuating the cycle they are forced to do that by the Citadel

[whole estuary]

Yeap

[wise beacon]

Eh, still objectively disgusting

[proud swan]

Are we seriously discussing the ethics of ss flies

[terse wadi]

My question though, is like, who's giving the orders at this point in the game

[rancid dagger]

it's obvious the intention wasn't to make hornet racist as she treats the broodling fine, but she does wish for their extinction in the hunter's journal

[sinful nimbus]

Making the good guy of your game an unlikeable racist douche isn't good writing if it doesn't service the narrative

[terse warren]

The flies literally do nothing if hornet doesn't get captured by em

[sinful nimbus]

GMS

[lucid fossil]

bro LOL this is ragebait

[wise beacon]

They are still objectively disgusting

[sinful nimbus]

Its not ragebait she literally is racist

[terse wadi]

For the continuation of the slab?

[terse warren]

That is literally racism

[wise beacon]

Im not talking about killing them because they're disgusting

[main osprey]

"Poshanka" is a greeting, just looked at Shakra's dialogue and context

"Yakkanesh" suggests to me warning or danger

"Gara Takana" seems to be an exclamation of concerned surprise

"Dondakku" seems to be shock or incredulous suprise

"Nu-Hakkata" seems to be along the lines of don't worry

"Hakk" seems to be take care or an urgent warning, not as bad as "Yakkanesh"

"Ka Va" seems to be disgust

"Bakelo" seems to be no problem or no worry

"Un-Daak" seems to be well done, or congratulations

There we are Ive put my thoughts to her language for whatever reason 😄

[wise beacon]

Im talking about the spitting thing specifically

[lucid fossil]

She shows disgust towards flies that treated her like shit, it seems justified if not a little harsh on the “these things should not exist anymore”

[sinful nimbus]

Yes she's kinda maintaining the status quo of the citadel

[terse wadi]

Well in fairness cardnal is speaking from a human perspective of a bug not a bugs perspective of a bug but idk

[pine garden]

definitely the caste, they probably contact the slab from time to time. The flies inside the slab were generationally brainwashed and the older flies probably teach the younger flies that they have to continue being jailers for the rest of their lifes to atone for their sin

[terse wadi]

Interesting

[sinful nimbus]

They are slaves, they are haunted, they are not responsible for their actions

[whole estuary]

Yea this is also how I read the “born into servitude” thing

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is just racist and its not justified at all

[proud swan]

Love you bro (eggplant and cheese)

[terse wadi]

cringe

[sinful nimbus]

Gotta love some good ol fashioned eugenics apologia in ss-lore

[wise beacon]

Indeed, I am. It's also just didgusting to get stuck in someone's spit

[terse warren]

Eggplant parmesan is an actual dish

[lucid fossil]

Lmao??? How does that change anything. If im mentally ill can I start killing people and everyone would still love me because its technically not my fault

[sinful nimbus]

Its different when its an entire species 😐

[foggy fractal]

oh you'd be suprised at some people's logic

[sinful nimbus]

And when they are slaves

[whole estuary]

Can we agree that
-the flies are bad
-wanting them all dead is also wrong
-hornet is a character with flaws and that is Fine

[wise beacon]

Not an apologist. Im trying to understand why someone thinks a certain way.

[lucid fossil]

Her hate is based on actions not excuse, it is 100% valid

[terse wadi]

I personally find everyone responsible for their actions unless a gun is literally put to their head but I still generally agree

[rancid dagger]

slaves are bad for doing what they were enslaved to do

[terse warren]

Actions of a few do not justify punishment of the whole

[proud swan]

I did make it in a pasta summer course! Love it

[sinful nimbus]

Eugenics is 100% valid if you were wronged by a race you heard it here first

[terse warren]

Nice

[rancid dagger]

her hate happens even if she doesn't get captured

[sinful nimbus]

Smartest SS glazer

[lucid fossil]

Girl literally every single fly toys with hornet spits at her and reeks (and tries to kill her)

[sinful nimbus]

They are slaves they have no say in the matter

Blame GMS

[pine garden]

hate to the point of wanting genocide isn't justified, it can be understandable why someone would think that but it would still be wrong to do so

[foggy fractal]

yes finally the all sprites document is back up

[terse warren]

Every time i talk here my mind image of the reading comprehension devil gets more and more monstrous

[terse wadi]

I will

[lucid fossil]

You cannot bring actual real world racism problems into silksong fictional bug game 😭😭

[terse wadi]

Hate that bitch

[foggy fractal]

FUCK it doesn't work

[whole estuary]

always the boomers smh smh

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/walks-away-sad-leave-tom-and-jerry-gif-16877258

[rancid dagger]

ah yeah you cant bring real life people thoughts into the game with bugs that have... real life people thoughts

[sinful nimbus]

Its fiction therefore morality doesn't apply?

[pine garden]

"you cannot bring morality into a fictional story" ass statement

[wise beacon]

GMS, Radiance and the weavers fucking up the whole world cause they got pissy

[terse warren]

"It's fiction therefore it should not have any meaningful discussion"