sk-lore

[wicked comet]

They don't know much about void but we know they know a lot of soul they can store it make spells with it

[lucid pasture]

im nottalking abt the evil im talking abt the snails

[wicked comet]

It acts on instinct to devour soul

[lucid pasture]

about the void**

[sleek pier]

the snails seem more negligent that actually intending malice

[lucid pasture]

they have kinda suspiciojs writings in the ruined chapel tho

[sleek pier]

though they should've probably told hornet the trap was a literal portal to the void

[outer ermine]

i think they did not expect lace to interween and that's it

[wicked comet]

They aren't evil they just selfish they don't care what happens they wanted to experiment their big spell and did so and don't care about the outcome

[outer ermine]

im pretty sure thats just related to soul spells and harvesting souls

[wicked comet]

They still knew GMS could fight back

[sleek pier]

lace is so funny. "mama doesn't love me" bitch she is literally destroying the entire world to keep you alive smh

[lucid pasture]

harvesting souls from pilgrims is evil yk

[outer ermine]

does that include capturing and possible torturing bugs? probably. Did they mean to do something bad to hornet though? Probably not

[wicked comet]

Hanging 6 living pilgrims to drain them of the souls isnt really nice guy material

[lucid pasture]

yeah lol

[outer ermine]

they min maxing

[junior slate]

snail shamans are def evil but they're not antagonistic
"drown it in void" is by all accounts the perfect solution to a pale being causing problems lol

[outer ermine]

ok but not all snail shamans are evil

the snail shaman in the first game harvested souls from dead bugs in the mound

[wicked comet]

Lace did see her sister get abandoned so maybe she thought the moment a new one is created she will get abandoned too

[wicked comet]

Who told you he didn't kill them?

He was hiding

[outer ermine]

i got the impression that the mound was long before him

but you are right we cant know for sure

[lucid pasture]

i think you can find the 6 pilgrims hanging in bilewater btw but im not sure and i havent gone check out

[teal finch]

eh you could argue hes hiding since the rest of the shamans are dead / one was literally experimented on

[wicked comet]

Nah if you look clearly he was hiding you can only see the mound because the ceilings collapsed but he was hiding

[dapper willow]

whatever the shamans did groal did worse

[wicked comet]

I am with you here

[lucid pasture]

groal was 100% right tho

[wicked comet]

And not because his runback is hell

And his area is horrible

And his mob waves suck

[sleek pier]

I thought the last judge runaback was bad

[wicked comet]

And his breath stinks

[lucid pasture]

I LOVE BILEWATER

[sleek pier]

groal is the worst one

[outer ermine]

also are mask makers a species

[dapper willow]

its not even that bad if you know the shortcut

[wicked comet]

Groal runback is hell

[lucid pasture]

to me the sands of karak runback is worse

[wicked comet]

A big IF there

[dapper willow]

i mean its right there where you exit the bellway

[outer ermine]

ss lore be turning into ss discussion 1

[dapper willow]

some people just straight up can't see or I don't know

[lucid pasture]

runbacks are lore essential tho

[dapper willow]

our elite club of elite lore knowers?
Impossible!

[wicked comet]

We already discussed all the lore unless you want me to drop a unresolved lore rn?

[outer ermine]

you do you

[tiny socket]

Who built the crappy bridge from blasted steps to shell wood, and why wasn’t flick the fixer hired instead?

[outer ermine]

game came out recently im sure theres a lot to discuss even in the first one

[dapper willow]

this game has so much lore
And the dlc will only give more

[sleek pier]

here's a new question, what tf is grandma supposed to be? she doesn't look like a spider. is she even a bug?

[tiny socket]

Gms should have invested in better civil engineers

[outer ermine]

she has needles or something as her limbs btw

[wicked comet]

In journal entry of large abyss crawler hornet says she " I think they are not our cousin " explain that

[lucid pasture]

bilewater having 3 chaira one of them broken 1 hidden and only 1 functional right at the entrance kinda cool for showing how the place is fucked unironically

[tiny socket]

She looks kind of like a silk spool

[junior slate]

she's a silk, i guess

[outer ermine]

probably a very primal creature

[dapper willow]

in the end
The only creatures that will survive are the abyss crawlers

[junior slate]

might only learn what she is in the godhome equivalent
with such options as "wyrm," "root," and "nightmare heart" it's hard to speculate what other higher beings "are"

[limpid summit]

“unn”

[junior slate]

finally an easy one
slug :)

[wicked comet]

Explain why he isn't "our cousin" who is the cousins some say it's because they took a different evolution path some say it's because they have a different ancestor

[wicked comet]

"unn" is arguably the ONLY good one in the entire series

[junior slate]

wym PK is based

[sleek pier]

I mean radiance is pretty easy, big moth

[outer ermine]

i think abyss has very different condition for creatures to grow in thats it

maybe they are not even living creatures at all im not sure

[pseudo gazelle]

The bridge broke in the opening cutscene when the butterfly lands on Hornet's cage

[junior slate]

also true

[outer ermine]

like little void rocks

[limpid summit]

You start to like Unn even more retroactively if you theorize that Nuu might be her kid

[wicked comet]

Doing massive child murder to seal a moth that is mad you took it's subjects releasing the void and messing with it which results in your death and many more death in God home ending no flower

[outer ermine]

team cherry naming slugs:

[limpid summit]

This sort of pacifist pushover HB has a daughter that wants to suck blood and root through corpses

[wicked comet]

Oh

[limpid summit]

Pent up anger

[dapper willow]

The gods of thunder and rain
I wanna know whats up with those doofuses

[limpid summit]

Never gonna happen

[outer ermine]

i hope we get a godhome dlc in silksong

[limpid summit]

Unforch

[lucid pasture]

pale stag was chill

[wicked comet]

Twisted bud has so much weird lore behind it I really wish they at least showed us what it would look like if it hatched

[outer ermine]

that may shed light on them

[limpid summit]

I wish

[wicked comet]

Pale stag isn't a god

[lucid pasture]

true..

[outer ermine]

was pale stag even real

[dapper willow]

arguablly the worst ending in all of hk

[wicked comet]

He was

[junior slate]

hornet seems to doubt it

[wicked comet]

Hornet thinks it's a myth just like snails though the everbloom was a myth

[sage heart]

So what exactly is nuu?

[wicked comet]

But the everbloom was real

[outer ermine]

but stag could not be real

[dapper willow]

distant cousin of the snail shamans

[outer ermine]

we dont know for sure

[wicked comet]

Someone who deserves a slap from hornet

[sage heart]

Oh

[limpid summit]

Hornet doesn’t think palestag is a myth she wonders if it really existed “as she saw it” or something

[outer ermine]

hmm

[limpid summit]

I think she thinks it’s some kind of forest spirit taking the form of a cloverstag

Or something like that

[dapper willow]

palestag was buffed by green prince's melodarmatic memory

[limpid summit]

We don’t know what Nuu is 💔

[outer ermine]

or maybe she thinks that green princes memory changed what happened

[lucid pasture]

if pale stag existed like that id be lowkey angry at the green princes why the fuck would you kill that bro

[limpid summit]

Also could be true yeah

To both of yall

GP could have just killed a regular albino stag

[wicked comet]

I am 100% sure it existed since it's probably from just a really long time ago as even shamans though verdania was extinct so pale stag was probably from a vet old time ago

[junior slate]

yeah i assume the "myth made real in memory" part of the journal means she doubts the palestag was actually like that, as opposed to green prince dramatizing a hunt and royal myth in his memory

[dapper willow]

it sounds like green prince is hella old

[outer ermine]

if it was so long ago that would mean green prince is ancient

[teal finch]

he did literally forget his own palace too so hes not a reliable narrator

[wicked comet]

He is though

[lucid pasture]

he has to be pretty old he exists since before haunting

began

[wicked comet]

The pale stag did hold some part of his memory so I doubt he would make fault in that

[lucid pasture]

thats oooold

[outer ermine]

i dont think haunting began THAT long ago

there was a citadel period he existed in

[wicked comet]

We do know he says that pale stag people tried to hunt it but failed if it was a normal albino stag I think ants would have got it

[dapper willow]

bugs can live a varied amount of time
Depending on how important they are

[wicked comet]

Yeah

[dapper willow]

the more you hit the gym the longer you live in the HK world

[wicked comet]

First sinner lived from a real long time ago and she is just a normal weaver

[teal finch]

correlated with how much aura you farm

[outer ermine]

was first sinner even alive at that point or what even is up with her

[lucid pasture]

yea i dont think she is alive

that fight is a dream somewhat

[dapper willow]

but she is like.... encrusted so it doesn't count maybe

[wicked comet]

She is alive though

[dapper willow]

Exactly

[outer ermine]

she left her soul ability and in that ability a piece of her remained

[lucid pasture]

You dont die during that fight, its most likely a dream

[teal finch]

i think FS fight is similar to memory/dream arena, shes imprisoned in a weaver grave so

[wicked comet]

You don't ? I one shot her do idk

[dapper willow]

Maybe she just doesn't kill you like shakra
just tosses you out of her cage

[lucid pasture]

yea you dont

[dapper willow]

but the dream idea sounds more true

[teal finch]

you respawn right outside of her cage, like not even at a bench

[lucid pasture]

you just respawn outside the arena

without losing rosaries etc

[teal finch]

right that too

[wicked comet]

Do you think the ants lived in a hive like mind?

[lucid pasture]

nah they are just like irl ants

[outer ermine]

no i think ants were a civilized society

[lucid pasture]

but more rational

[outer ermine]

at least there are some hints

[dapper willow]

not really
Unless Karmelita was a discount radiance

[wicked comet]

Since having got the haunting they don't get much difference? They even ask " is this still her voice?...."

[teal finch]

karmelita fight is in a whole ass opera house

[outer ermine]

like a kermelita statue that was done really nicely and an opera house

[lucid pasture]

thats because karmelita protected them

somehwt

the effects werent as strong there befause of her

[dapper willow]

Karmelita farmed so much aura she permanently inprinted herself in the mind of the ants

[outer ermine]

i think they are just missing karmelita and wanting to go back to her

[wicked comet]

Yeah about that I do think sings or overall songs is the way to protect yourself from haunting

We only have one enemy we lost to haunting slowly

[outer ermine]

dude near sherma

and sherma was singing . bingo

[wicked comet]

The old lady in far fields pilgrim rest

[teal finch]

when hornet finds her and she goes "sorry man im washed" and then hornets like "thats fine cause idc abt you in the present moment anyway" like Bro BM

[dapper willow]

No other way sherma survived but through song
We even see it with the dazed pilgrim before he turns

[lucid pasture]

i think after killing karmelita the area outside her house kinda gets worse with the haunting and void shit but i dont know if i was just tripping actually

[white glacier]

By the way

Anyone know what is Styx’s deal?

He got masks

[outer ermine]

and also if you play your silksong enemies get stunned for a second as if they are getting briefly uncursed

[lucid pasture]

he is a cool slave

[white glacier]

Like so many masks

[white glacier]

NAW HE A FREAK

[white glacier]

Kinda I notice less ants tho

[dapper willow]

Styx is a freaky ass dude with multiple personalities
Hornet even wonders how he can talk to bellharts people when living in the middle of bumass nowhere

[outer ermine]

bro is living that double life

[white glacier]

He also one of the few that has like string

[wicked comet]

The old lady in the far fields first stops singing saying " I am tired I can't sing " then the next time you visit her still not haunted why? " Sherma is singing for her " last time you see her haunted so the theory "songs is what protects against the haunting which explain why the snails say ant queen is the one who fought the hardest

[lucid pasture]

i think he is someone who is able to do whatever to live, no matter how humiliating, the masks are somewhat related to the role you play and that probably means he will do whatever to ljve

just that

[teal finch]

wait this reminds me. we need more silkeater lore analysis

[white glacier]

Yeah but he can do things with string and such

He can make silk eaters

[wicked comet]

Also by playing the needolin sing you can free people from the haunting temporarily

[outer ermine]

yeah and the ant queen is actually alive at the point of the game

[lucid pasture]

i mean he looks like an arachnid it seems normal

[white glacier]

He is kind of the only passive character we see who is somewhat weaving

[white glacier]

True

Just weird dude

[outer ermine]

i thought styx was the same creature as huntress

[dapper willow]

Bellador is doing something too with that silk

[wicked comet]

Same but after seeing a bit no

They have different design

[outer ermine]

ballador is using silk to stay alive somehow

probably whiteward techniques

[lucid pasture]

i dont think they re the same bc they have different quantities of members

[dapper willow]

he is sucking it in like spaghetty

[lucid pasture]

styx has 6 huntress has 4

[white glacier]

Actually that one is because in white ward if you get one of the Psalm Cylinders you get to hear the last surgery of a Conductor. They were trying to infuse silk into them to live longer

Freaky

[dapper willow]

we know that

[outer ermine]

and i think the body of that conductor is the unraveled

[dapper willow]

that is a lore theory I support

[white glacier]

Ye I’m just saying that the Conductor is one who lived through the experiment

[teal finch]

styx/skynx and huntress/runt have a similar way of speaking iirc so maybe theyre the same species

[lucid pasture]

yeah theres thst

i think they are somewhat related but idk hoa

[outer ermine]

maybe styx mimics huntresses way of speach for survival reason

[lucid pasture]

how

[teal finch]

their masks are very similar too tho

[outer ermine]

idk just throwing this idea out im not sure

[lucid pasture]

what if all spider like creatures speak with ssssssssssss

minus the weavers because they ascended the sssss

ong

[outer ermine]

ssss is only for the lower class spiders

[wicked comet]

Styx has a obsession about a slave serving the master and the master feeding him

[dapper willow]

the weavers are still hissing when attacking and whatever
They sound so much like little gremlins haha

[lucid pasture]

true

[white glacier]

Earliest for of SHAW

[wicked comet]

Weavers??

[white glacier]

It’s Ssssshaaaw

[lucid pasture]

widow and first sinner

[white glacier]

Which is cute

[wicked comet]

They speak with ss I never noticed

[white glacier]

They also have similar move sets

[outer ermine]

they also fake their death

[lucid pasture]

no but they hisssss

[white glacier]

THEY WHAT

[outer ermine]

i guess thats a weaver thing

[dapper willow]

maybe they faked their death in hallownest as well

[dusty sparrow]

how many pharlooms away is hallownest from pharloom

[dapper willow]

Very far

[outer ermine]

they both pretend to die in a fight when they are at stage 2

[dapper willow]

several areas at least

[wicked comet]

Very very far

[white glacier]

Also

The surface is a wasteland

Like super wasteland

[dapper willow]

we love wastelands

[outer ermine]

surface has skrills though

[white glacier]

Yeah and a town but it just died out

[wicked comet]

The surface might have been a green land at first since can see water in sands of karak in the past

[dapper willow]

we see a lot of creatures living in the wastelands actually

[outer ermine]

💔

[lucid pasture]

one of the dlcs might be with us going to the left of the map that hornet says she cant go bc she has to save the kingdom wheb you thinkcabt it

[dapper willow]

hornet sidequest

[white glacier]

Huh so is the encroaching wastelands a natural thing or a forced thing?

[lucid pasture]

that seemed foreshadowin

[dapper willow]

there are 4 places where you can attempt to leave pharloom

[dusty sparrow]

yuh

[teal finch]

watch dlc be post-hk hallownest and its hollow knight 3: Homecoming

[white glacier]

Does that include the closed off Ant Area near Karmelitta’s place?

[wicked comet]

I am really sure something happened between pale beings and the void and the lifeblood and the surface that caused the whole system to breakdown pale being scatter to different lands surface become a waste lands and thousands of pilgrims move to kingdoms underground

[junior slate]

7 year dlc
hollow knight: silksong: return to hallownest

[dapper willow]

nop

[white glacier]

And one near Swiftmaster

[sacred heath]

so plasmium is obviously lifeblood right

[white glacier]

Aww

[teal finch]

feat dante from devil may cry

[white glacier]

Yep yep yep!

[junior slate]

absolute cinema

[wicked comet]

Yes

[dusty sparrow]

hollow knight 3: the right half of controller controls the knight and left controls hornet so it becomes a two player game

[outer ermine]

i feel like both lifeblood and the void are substances while pale beings are actual gods that roam the earth. Lifeblood does seem to have a higher being associated with it but im pretty sure its not located in the physical world

[dapper willow]

Blasted steps lower entrance - Pinstress place - Watcher at the edge place - Nameless town

[sacred heath]

alright just had to check with you lot

[lucid pasture]

the last menu with lace and hornet pins in the surface has to mean something too theres now ay

[wicked comet]

Maybe it was sealed or banished and only the focus on God home can bring it back just like shade lord

[spring escarp]

Ok so, pharlooms first children this means that grandmother silk made the weavers and the first sinner creating runes means she must be a prototype hence why she is different.

[white glacier]

Also it’s been awhile since I’ve seen Cucumber Quest

[spring escarp]

Eva must be an attempt to replicate grandmother silk

[outer ermine]

hmm. So was the lifeblood being in a dream realm of sorts right?

[white glacier]

Broken head First sinner

[outer ermine]

It is possible to banish people in dream realms since the dreamers did that to the knight

[wicked comet]

Maybe it was sealed like the radiance is ? In a place covered in everblooms?

[spring escarp]

Lace and phantom must be replacements seen as more trustworthy than pharlids because they are pur silk so they came entirely from mother silk

[spring escarp]

yes, I think it signifies she is a prototype, a unsable one.

[outer ermine]

if lifeblood creature was sealed there must have been a reason why and a person/thing strong enough to do that

[spring escarp]

And since they are uplifted creatures, this makes them suck at reproduction, as they are scrambled and stuff.

[white glacier]

It’s interesting we get to see what the Weavers are made from to be honest since we beat them up as hornet

[spring escarp]

Hence why they struggle to reproduce

[junior slate]

pk's strong enough to seal higher beings in dreams, and has a known interest in doing so to infectious ones
unfortunately this is something that'd be Very Important so the fact we're not told it means it's very unlikely

[spring escarp]

So the weavers on atla used the trap setter to make her sleep.

[outer ermine]

also ive seen some people say that herrah doesnt look like a weaver but if you look at widow i think it becomes easier to understand how herrah is a weaver

[spring escarp]

Whivh we repurpouse.

[wicked comet]

GMS didn't make weavers it's those little guys that do 2 hearts of DMG she ascended them then she lied called them divine she called them her children and turns them into things like the widow , first sinner learned the truth and refused to worship GMS which was the catalyst to the start to the weaver rebellion

[spring escarp]

Idk maybe she is a weaver made from a different insect

[outer ermine]

the thing is lifeblood was never really important to the story. But i do agree , i feel like if pale king specifically done that it would have been conveyed

[spring escarp]

I am saying GMS made these bug weavers

DMG?

[lucid pasture]

weaver literally got tortured and modified tho lol

[spring escarp]

damage nvm

[wicked comet]

I means damages and yes

[outer ermine]

true but the modification is her not having the mask and herrah doesnt wear a regular weaver mask too

[white glacier]

The Radience also did similar right?

[spring escarp]

So yeah, I think mother silk has a huge desire to be a mother and can't cope with reality without it

[white glacier]

Radiance*

[spring escarp]

I believe she feels incredibly hurt by lace and the weavers

Makes me pity her a little.

[outer ermine]

deadbeat mom though

[spring escarp]

How so

[outer ermine]

phantom did NOT deserve that

[white glacier]

I have to say though Silk or probably the most underdeveloped Pale Being we ever faced

[spring escarp]

Phantom was a victim of the betrayal of the weavers

[wicked comet]

She was betrayed by the weaver so she decided to create lace but because she was sealed she couldn't make silk to maintain lace so she sent people to find weavers to use their silk to maintain lace

[spring escarp]

She needs a perfect pure silk daugjter that has nothing but her side in her.

So she isn't betrayed, yet she was.

[white glacier]

We see the Pale King, Radiance, and even Grimm to have more thoughts and feelings

[spring escarp]

Sounds plausible

[white glacier]

But Silk is like… No voice kind of deal

Just super controlling

[spring escarp]

Actuslly no

[outer ermine]

the silk heart moments are her speaking right?

[spring escarp]

lace wants to prevent hornet from coming near

[junior slate]

wish we got some needolin dialogue for her

[white glacier]

That I’m not sure to be honest

[wicked comet]

Of who?

[white glacier]

GMS

[junior slate]

GMS

[spring escarp]

And llace complaims GMS wants hornet and not her

[wicked comet]

There is

[spring escarp]

Meaning hornet serves othe rpurpouse

[gray iris]

what is the lore reason we dont take the mt fay pidgeon up the citadel that is some mordor lord of the rings shit

[spring escarp]

I thinkt he silk is meant to wake up grand mother silk

[white glacier]

There is?

[spring escarp]

But it isn't working, it is just bringing more and more people into her dream like state

[wicked comet]

It's somewhere in here I remember reading it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fXWZMaeHiBTY1D6P2cuO929M0iXIYTXdeMifmLQ71sA/edit?usp=drivesdk

[spring escarp]

But she has no other option.

Hence why lace feels ignored

[wicked comet]

I think lace is more scared that she will be abandoned like her sister the moment GMS decides she wants a new one

[junior slate]

honestly lace doesn't seem super trustworthy in regard to GMS imo, given that her whole thing is acts of teenage rebellion against a mom that doesn't love her (and then said mom crashed out hard enough to resist a sea of void, AND sacrificed all of her silk to hornet, just for a chance at saving lace)
it's like "trust me, my mom is the WORST" from a kid that's just mad she has chores

[teal finch]

yeah dialogue in weaver memories are GMS based on the consistency w word choice

[wicked comet]

That better spun mad ... Etc that is GMS

[spring escarp]

I have personal opnions I wo,'t vocie

[spring escarp]

No, GMS wants hornet in special and that makes her jealous, i think GMS knows hornet is half wyrm

And being half wyrm might mean her silk hits different

https://tenor.com/view/кайф-жуткий-смех-gif-14524534299213067676

[wicked comet]

Nah she search for all kind of weavers

[lucid pasture]

i think her mom has many reasons to be the worst actually but ok

[spring escarp]

Yes but lace seems to eb aprticularly mad at hornet

[wicked comet]

There is a room in cradle where you can see all kind of cars they used to bring weavers

[spring escarp]

"She onyl wants you"

[spring escarp]

I saw it, 8th part weaver blah balh balh

[spring escarp]

You telling me your mother never brainwashed a whole kingdom?

[wicked comet]

Yeah but hornet is a first born , half weaver she is the best candidate

[timber pond]

Probably previous attempts to fuse with these individuals but were too weak

[lucid pasture]

i dont think so..

[spring escarp]

And half wyrm!

[timber pond]

Well more than perfect, shes half weaver and Half pale being

[spring escarp]

Meaning she is even closer to GMS than most

Since GMS is a pale being

[wicked comet]

Yeah being half pale being also plays a role in being able to use her for possession

[spring escarp]

Possession?

Why possession?

[lucid pasture]

i didnt check but someone said if you get all the qeavers in the cages and in which part they are qeavers + hornet apparently it gets to 1 entire weaver which is funny and probably means something

[junior slate]

to clarify, i'm not saying giving her all for her child automatically makes GMS a good mom, a good person, or even invalidates the possibility of lace being neglected/abused/etc

just that there's reason to not trust lace's words about gms completely at face value because we know for a fact she is wrong about gms not wanting her

[wicked comet]

In the bad ending she take over hornets body and become a kind of weaver body

[spring escarp]

Idk about that

It seems int hsie mding hornet is just evil

[lucid pasture]

oh yeah

[spring escarp]

Because she has all the tools to trap her yet decided to take control and bind her

Implying she wants the power

[wicked comet]

Nah it's gms since she uses hornets silk to do the same thing she already did

[spring escarp]

That's how i interpreted

[wicked comet]

But at a bigger range

[spring escarp]

How is yhat GMS if thsi ending requires you to beat GMS?

I think it is just evil hornet.

[junior slate]

you bind her as a crest, though? that makes no sense, it's def hornet in control

[spring escarp]

I think he is tlaking about the alt ending

Which I am too to be clear.

[wicked comet]

Not the basic ending I am talking about the bad ending no one know how to get it yet people only found in doing data mining

[spring escarp]

I am talking about this one yes

[junior slate]

oh wait i haven't seen that one then

[teal finch]

i think its a cut ending altogether tbh cause theres mo achievement tied to it

[wicked comet]

Could be

[spring escarp]

In this one it shows a being that seems like a spiky hornet and silk tendrils controlling everuonr

[queen merlin]

its so weird how there is needolin dialogue for parts of the game where you would never have it

[white glacier]

I’m just still like trying to figure out the scaling of Silk with the other known Pale beings

[wicked comet]

Wdym?

[white glacier]

Since she is strong but doesn’t seem to be mentally developed

[sacred heath]

say, does the mask maker have any new dialogue in act 3?

[spring escarp]

idk

[white glacier]

Unlike the ones we know in Hallowsnesy

[spring escarp]

he is a pain to check out

[spring escarp]

Hallownussy?

[wicked comet]

She was sealed so I think she is like the radiance we fought her weakened

[queen merlin]

its just interesing how if you had the needolin ||before releasing bell beast they would sing this: ||

[spring escarp]

Is it possible?

[queen merlin]

wait is there a way to get needolin before releasing bell beast?

[wicked comet]

It should be I got this from this SS from a admin he posted it

[spring escarp]

What is the lore significance of this battle.

[junior slate]

there are other paths through the marrow and you dont need bell beast for anything, so i'd assume so

[lucid pasture]

there are other paths??

[spring escarp]

Silksong has crazy details, has anyone got the purple trobbio pen?

[wicked comet]

If it's normal pogo maybe possible but angle pogo...

[junior slate]

aren't there? i'm just looking at full map rn so maybe i'm forgetting some obstacles

[wicked comet]

No one yet I think

[spring escarp]

I played the whole game with diagonal pogo.

I refused to use any other

[wicked comet]

Same

[lucid pasture]

same

[spring escarp]

It felt like cowardice

[wicked comet]

It doesn't feel like hornet if I don't

[vital oyster]

I think theres maybe a pogo to skipp bellbeast somewhere but also you could potentially use a simple key to go to wormways immediently (not sure if theres any sprint jumps needed)

[spring escarp]

It feels way too easy with normal pogo

Sepcially battles

[queen merlin]

ok this needolin dialogue has to be impossible because ||I'm assuming based on the name its bellheartresidents strung up and you only get needolin after freeing them||

[lucid pasture]

i dont think there was. ik you can go to wormways but theres not much to do rhere anyways so

[vital oyster]

for all you lore nerds this image of widow in the game files is refered to as a spinner and fisher

[spring escarp]

Why doesn't she take the pins out is she stupid

[junior slate]

it's for aura

[queen merlin]

wait I guess its tehcnially possible to get this if you|| beat widow but don't cut the strings, weird I'll have to try this later||

[spring escarp]

Also why she doesn't have the ball head

[wicked comet]

Brainwashed

[teal finch]

ill have to see what exactly triggers bellhart being fixed and if thats the same thing as getting the needolin

iirc theres dialogue w like

[lucid pasture]

either the weavers or silk herself tortured her and made her like that

[vital oyster]

huhh

[teal finch]

bell hermit or frey that only triggers if widow is fought but bellheart not saved but i might be misremembering

[junior slate]

or the ball head is just a mask

[lucid pasture]

the ball head is a mask but it got forcibly removed in widows case which should hurt

[vital oyster]

oh this is probably radiance nvm

[lucid pasture]

masks can be natural

[spring escarp]

Did the weavers all leave pharloom via weavernest karn?

[timber pond]

Whats more intersting is probably the Vespa sprite sheet

[spring escarp]

I present you peak focus performance.

[wicked comet]

GMS is the one that removed her mask and turned her like this you can also see that the mask of the first sinner is cracked

[spring escarp]

First sinner was born cracked

I think, assumign it is not just a visual metaphor of something.

[lucid pasture]

i assume it was gms too but idk abt why first sinner mssk cracked would mean anything

[wicked comet]

I doubt she was born cracked though since every weaver we see has a perfectly round head

[timber pond]

mabye thats a reason why she was born spiteful lol

[spring escarp]

But she shows up cracked the moment she is born in the custscene

[wicked comet]

She isn't smooth brained

[timber pond]

Nah in the cutscene , the creature she evolves from is slightly damaged and her head is cracked

[spring escarp]

Is it?

[timber pond]

Yeah i think

[spring escarp]

Maybe that is why she was unstable, maybe she wasn't the firsr or a prototype

Maybe she was cuckoo cuckoo because the pharlid she came form was brain damaged

[lucid pasture]

how it feels like to have a cracked head..

[spring escarp]

And she was neurodivergent with runes as autistic interest

[timber pond]

Ok it isnt but, she evovles imperfectly https://youtu.be/mcod4lkwLIA?t=435

[spring escarp]

Then I stick to my prototype theory

Henve why she is the first sinner

[green charm]

Isn’t that a mask?

[queen merlin]

I think you might be correct, ||there is alt dialogue for him. the strange part is its basically with him saying the thread had been cut both times but hornet only saying she cut them once. ||

[green charm]

Oh
Right

[teal finch]

yeah now im just confused bc they usually call it _ALT instead of lkke _1

[green charm]

I was just checking to see if ||Gamama Silk is a higher being? I just wanted to ask, since I’ve only finished the first ending of the game||

[teal finch]

oh mvm i misread

yeah this is what i was remembering

[lucid pasture]

yes now leave the chat before you get spoiled

[green charm]

o7

https://tenor.com/view/teletubbies-dipsy-running-away-scared-run-away-gif-25928776

[spring escarp]

defiently she is

Hornet calls it early on when talking shit with lace

[green charm]

Oh yea

Forgot that bit

[spring escarp]

Now kiss

[green charm]

-# Isn’t that a child?
-# ||Or, vaguely child shaped silk construct if I got the dialogue right||

[spring escarp]

I-ii

I have no comment.

[wicked comet]

In #sk-help-2 they are making sure no spoiler is said ! Here we just throw a spoiler left and right 🤣

[buoyant salmon]

compare to all the current Higher Being we known about, how strong is Shade Lord if they can control the whole void?

[green charm]

I mean yea, were you not expecting to get spoiled in the lore channel

[spring escarp]

Please discuss lore without spoilers people

[wicked comet]

Probably stronger than all pale beings combined in his prime

[green charm]

Powerscaling hbs is sort of pointless, I think

Anyway, ciao chat
Thanks for the answers

[spring escarp]

I think that si a reach

The pale king only sucks because he shed his skin to get closer to the common bug

The pale king wanted true admiration

Grand mother silk wants complete devotion

[buoyant salmon]

well void kill Radiance, Pale king, Mother Silk and can literally copy Radiance power

[spring escarp]

You get what I mean

Like the differnece between jesus revenrence and caesar reverence

[wicked comet]

I don't think it is since the void is the only thing that can kill a pale being ( grand mother silk and pale king ) and the white lady said to hornet when giving the everbloom " this is the first light our only way of fighting that void"

[spring escarp]

oh nvm

I thought yall were talking about GMS

Yes the void solos

[buoyant salmon]

I want to know the Mushroom God and White Flower god

[spring escarp]

White flower god?

[wicked comet]

White flower god you mean nyleth?

[spring escarp]

Who said there is a white flower god

[wicked comet]

She ain't a god

[spring escarp]

He is postulating some entity responsible for the pale flowers

[buoyant salmon]

no one but I think there would be a god that can made those flower

[buoyant salmon]

yeah that's my point

[spring escarp]

I think it is just the white lady

Hence why she gives it to her on the memory

She is a pale being a a tree, it figures

And hence why hornet knows the flower

[buoyant salmon]

it not made by her, it not even exist in Hallownest until that lesbian knight bring it here

[wicked comet]

No if it was the pale lady she wouldn't have refused it when given in the main HK

[spring escarp]

hm?

If she refuses then that might mean she cna just make more

[spring escarp]

the what

Oh the pale flower kngiht

[wicked comet]

No check her dialogue later since I forgot it

[spring escarp]

Grey mourner, she is from hallownest she worked for the kign lol

[wicked comet]

But that flower isn't unique to pale lady

Since snail shamas in pharloom knew about it

[spring escarp]

Well it fits perfectly and in the new game she is the one who has it on the dream

[queen merlin]

could this needolin dialogue be for ||the mottled skarr scout that gives you the curveclaw upgrade?||

[wicked comet]

And grey mourner got it from her homeland not white lady

[buoyant salmon]

it not made by White lady

[white glacier]

Huh

[spring escarp]

Very convenient isn't it? That jornet remembers the white lady had one when she was a kid.

[white glacier]

I wonder if there is a birthplace for Pale beings

[wicked comet]

No idea game names can be different first sinner is called first weaver there

[buoyant salmon]

also White Lady is a higher being, she can just communicate through dream, hence she could delivered the flower to Hornet

[white glacier]

Or maybe some sort of ascendancy to becoming one

[wicked comet]

That is my main theory

[spring escarp]

Lands serene?

Never heard if that one huh

[white glacier]

Makes me wonder if the pale beings are made to combat the Void but got other ideas

[wicked comet]

There is a birthplace where all pale beings were born and where the everbloom first existed

[spring escarp]

sunscreen

[buoyant salmon]

now you do

she literally said that's not her lmao

[spring escarp]

Ok white lady you are a ****

How dare she dispell my theory

It fits sonperfectly

They oughht to have known what people would think

[lucid pasture]

lands serene in hollow knight 5 will go super hard

[wicked comet]

We notice all pales being decided to leave that place and go rules each a kingdom that already had light before

[spring escarp]

Zote kingdom

[buoyant salmon]

it does not

if she is the one who made them, it already grow near her endlessly

[spring escarp]

Most powerful of forces

[spring escarp]

Jus tbecause you cna grow a flower doesn't mean you have to

[queen merlin]

well there is only 3 mottled skarr that I know off, mottled skarr themselves who I think is hunter_merchant, and gurr who think is labeled trapper, that leaves the mottled skarr scout through process of elimination but I could be wrong

[buoyant salmon]

though Pale King is a Wyrm, I don't think he would fit with any other Higher Being

[subtle schooner]

is hornet hollow?

[buoyant salmon]

she a spider

[rocky smelt]

yeah

[lucid pasture]

no one is hollow we all have love in our hearts

[spring escarp]

no

[buoyant salmon]

with Wyrm blood

[vague whale]

Hollow Knight 3: Zoteboat: here's how it can still happen

[spring escarp]

Hornet is not void

[green charm]

She’s not a vessel so no

[lucid pasture]

LEAVE THE CHAT BROOOO

[white glacier]

Or at least some for of sentience

[green charm]

If I hear anyone say Hornet is void then I’m killing them with hammers

[spring escarp]

It has to happen bro

[green charm]

YOU CAN’T MAKE ME

[buoyant salmon]

Hornet is related to Void

[wicked comet]

Maybe the thing that makes a being a pale being is being born in the lands on the everbloom

[buoyant salmon]

because her sibling is void

[white glacier]

Would you say that Hornet is technically Void-Touched now tho?

[lucid pasture]

you will get spoiled and you will cry

[vague whale]

not how that works

[wicked comet]

Since even the girl with the flower was called the pale mourner

[spring escarp]

Just make find out he had "the vitamin" deffiiciency that made he be stupid

[green charm]

Aw man

[spring escarp]

And make zote super op

[green charm]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-walks-away-off-gif-23254896

[spring escarp]

Doesn't mean shit tho

[white glacier]

Which is interesting since she isn’t a higher power Pale Being

[buoyant salmon]

let me ask you: does your cousin related to you?

(if you have one ofc)

[white glacier]

Doesn’t mean shit but she fucking dunked herself into the goo

[wicked comet]

Hornet has not even a smidge of void in her she is 50 % wyrm 50 %spider she was raised away from the void

[vague whale]

Hornet and the Knight share one parent kind of, and that shared parent is not the void

[buoyant salmon]

did you even play Act 3

[spring escarp]

She had rubber it is fine

[wicked comet]

Just like the pale stag

[buoyant salmon]

you kinda dense

[spring escarp]

She had rubber it is fine

[white glacier]

Of course I mean in recent events I mean. With the whole saving Lace

[buoyant salmon]

search the word "related" in dictionary pls

[white glacier]

Yeah the Pale Stag is also another thing that is added to Pale Beings but not Higher Pale Beings

[spring escarp]

Anyhow the void is hornet fried. : ) Good friends to have isn't it?

[wicked comet]

Hornet dies to the void , she can't sustain herself in the black egg in HK because she says it was made the the knights kind

[white glacier]

Hornet is one but she’s Half and White Lady

[spring escarp]

She can just live the same way all dreamers did

[buoyant salmon]

they are joking about the fact that she literally jump in the void sea lmao

you guys are sure fun at parties isn't it

[spring escarp]

Parties*

[vast agate]

bro must be ragebaiting

[buoyant salmon]

thanks

[lucid pasture]

im voiding out

[vague whale]

I've been told I'm quite fun at parties but personally I wouldn't understand why

[wicked comet]

She was only able to survive after getting the everbloom did you just skip the whole story?

[buoyant salmon]

you clearly do not understand the that guy's joke

[spring escarp]

Kinda weird she doesn't remember her mother face since her body was laying down there for a really long time?

[white glacier]

I mean there’s a moment in time when the flower dissipated in the Void. She was in there with Lace for a hot minute before getting saved by Ghost

[spring escarp]

Like, she should remember it probably

[wicked comet]

I really do think the pale flower or everbloom is the first thing to have been born pale since it's called the first light and something being pale means it can resist the void not automatically strong

[spring escarp]

It is like 8 strokes to draw it.

[cursive cairn]

I wunna play Silk song butter i have school in 9 minutes :(

[white glacier]

I was saying would she be technically be Void touched now since she has been in there much longer than most same with Lace

[lucid pasture]

its about the situation itself tho

[white glacier]

True

[buoyant salmon]

yeah I understand you

the other guy though...

[vague whale]

Just skip

[wicked comet]

So maybe she survived those few seconds because of her birth

[spring escarp]

Anyone knows why there are so many fucking bells in pharloom btw

[vague whale]

You will certainly not regret skipping school in order to play Silksong

[cursive cairn]

I already did that its on cooldown (pretended to be sick Monday to Wednesday)

[lucid pasture]

they produce song and are effective means of mass religious propaganda

[buoyant salmon]

so there is a thing call "symbol"

[white glacier]

Hhhmm… Which means that even being half pale is still a protection against it

[buoyant salmon]

like Pale King make everything WHITE

[vague whale]

cuz they made a lot

[wicked comet]

Songs are also used to resist the haunting

[spring escarp]

I have a hunch pale things were touched by the moon and the radiance was touched by the sun.

[cursive cairn]

What is the bells vibration shape the silk ;-;

[white glacier]

But for Lace… Is she going to be okay in the long run or is now similar to the Vessel?

[spring escarp]

symbol of what

[buoyant salmon]

of a Kingdom???????????????

[vague whale]

Symbol of Cymbals

[spring escarp]

The bells?

[white glacier]

Thanks tho! Just the Void is such a mysterious thing

[lucid pasture]

I LOVE BELLS I LOVE BELLS I LOVE BELLS

[buoyant salmon]

yes????????????

[vague whale]

Yeah me too buddy me too

[cursive cairn]

Aight gotta go 7 minutes left to GET to school

[spring escarp]

Like they even live in bells

[white glacier]

[cursive cairn]

Asta la vista

[white glacier]

Good luck dude

[lucid pasture]

its their culture theres not much to say

[vague whale]

Jasta la virsta

[cursive cairn]

6 assignments btw

[wicked comet]

I am GOING TO SLEEP GOODNIGHT PEOPLE PLEASE DONT SAY ANYTHING THAT WILL MAKE ME COME BACK

[cursive cairn]

All due today

[white glacier]

What in tarnation

[spring escarp]

Idk it feels like something begs explanation

[white glacier]

Gnight dude! Sleep of Silksong!

[spring escarp]

I have very few things left to do at uni

[cursive cairn]

Hitting bellbeast is considered petting by team cherry

[spring escarp]

If i finish I will make incalculable amounts of cash really.

So weird

[buoyant salmon]

then explain why Unn make Green Path green but not white, black or any other color

[lucid pasture]

I LOVE HITTING BELL BEAST AFFECTIONATELY

[spring escarp]

plants are green

[reef zephyr]

you can summarize silksong's story as
asbestos god shows, makes asbestos children, establishes asbestos religion, the people pass genetic damage brought on by asbestos to their children, everyone is now possessed by haunted asbestos

[buoyant salmon]

Pale flower:

those plant that look like coral in Silksong:

[spring escarp]

No, the silks makes you immortal even, it is just that she is sleeping and that makes she make everyone else insane via the silk

[lucid pasture]

i mean religion propaganda

[spring escarp]

Well Unn is green

[vague whale]

Asbestos religion

[sage flame]

Today I learned that 99% of bees and ants are female

[spring escarp]

Green wins

[vague whale]

Based

[spring escarp]

I crave women

[buoyant salmon]

so you born with human skin color, but do you like that color in your entire room?

[spring escarp]

yes

[buoyant salmon]

ew

[vague whale]

Wait I have an insane strat for this actually

[spring escarp]

I skin people for my carpet

[white glacier]

The Ladies be beating us up then

[sage flame]

Male ants and bees are only born to reproduce

[white glacier]

In Hunters March

ONLY LADIES CAN MAKE HUNTERS MARCH HORRIFYING

-slams hands on desk-

[sage flame]

Well the flying ants are males

[vague whale]

so did you know you can become a women

[buoyant salmon]

also the Pale flower seemingly can spread very fast

[white glacier]

Are we literally just beating off Women in Hunters March

That would explain so much

[vague whale]

Based if true

[white glacier]

How are they like grown by the way?

[sage flame]

I always thought it was the other way around with most ants being male with the sole female queen but that’s not how it works

[spring escarp]

75% female

[buoyant salmon]

male is few but not non-existent guys, the one that sell us 2 tools is male iirc

[queen merlin]

if this dialogue belongs to this skarr, I think it might have lore implications for what the mottling actually is and how it might allow skarr who have the grey coloration to resist the haunting (all 3 skarr who have this coloration do not attack the player mindlessly, especially in gurr's case) it might not just be some kind of skin condition from an infection

[buoyant salmon]

wait who is this

[white glacier]

Makes sense

[white glacier]

He’s in the Hunters March With the Circle Targets

[buoyant salmon]

oh ok

[queen merlin]

there is a room in far fields where you have to hit targets with a curve claw and this skarr scout gives you a curvesickle if you hit them all

[white glacier]

The only other Mottled Ant was the one hidden away that got fucking backstabbed

In Act 3

Also they had a different language as well

[trim lark]

oh i WASNT hallucinating this guy

i kept seeing them in this one room and they kept fucking off before i could get close

[dire latch]

yo if yall dont mind can u anser a question i have

how are the bugs in silksong sentient

[queen merlin]

also gurr the outcast is mottled

[dire latch]

like wasnt it the paleking who made them sentient in hollow knight and only in hollow nest

[white glacier]

We kill that one tho sadly

[sage flame]

Gurr is such a disappointment of a boss

[dire latch]

so how are some of the bugs in silksong sentient and outside of hollwnest

[queen merlin]

oh I see what you meant now

[spring escarp]

Real

[spring escarp]

It seems you cna be sentient without apel beings, pale beings can just replace masks essentially

[sage flame]

Just rework Gurr entirely

[white glacier]

I feel like there could’ve been more to be done

[sage flame]

The two moves it has aren’t even fun

[dire latch]

ok mabye it will be explanded in a dlc

[spring escarp]

maybe

[white glacier]

And to be honest they could’ve been in Act 1 or 2 than in 3

[sacred heath]

alright so I found the mask maker’s dialogue in act 3 and now I just have more questions

[lucid pasture]

i like gurr concept tbh but it wasnt executed that well

[covert night]

gurr shouldn't have been a very late game boss

overall it's an average fight

[lucid pasture]

it kinda makes sense its late game lore wise bc like its until you have became famous

pharlooms heroine 🔥

and he is like "i have to kill her NOW"

but he realizes he was kinda tripping and he is a jobber

Too late

[narrow glacier]

I think there’s a reason why masks are “white” too. There’s something connecting Pale and sentience

[spring escarp]

Well, all masks I've seen so far are white

Maybe there is

[narrow glacier]

That and you have to deliver Pale Laquer to the mask maker

[spring escarp]

HUHHHH

[narrow glacier]

There’s definitely an intentional overlap here

[spring escarp]

Yeah my guess work seems more relevant than i thought

So team cherry is racist i see

the white is sentience and the black voids are the enemies of sentience

[white glacier]

Another thing is Pale oil is used to sharpen weapons

Which reminds me where the he’ll does that stuff come from

[narrow glacier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182525624523436083/1238858463652610168/Chun_Li_makes_Akuma_Koom__Street_Fighter.gif

[vast agate]

"Bile gland of a rare sylphean slug" is the materium entry

[white glacier]

Huh. When we bind Eva we get a thing called Sylph Song

[white glacier]

GOD I DID NOT EXPECT THAT IMAGE

[lucid pasture]

so many connections out of nowhere lol..

[narrow glacier]

Sylph is an air spirit in irl lore. So I imagine that the connection is “from above” which is common of pale beings.

[maiden meteor]

Eva is kinda a spirit if you think about it

so yeah it’s probably more of thematic connection than direct one

[white glacier]

Huh

[indigo vapor]

guys whats the lore explanation of the memorium

[ancient scroll]

The citadel wanted a zoo/archive/preserve

[hexed stump]

does the hollow knight make an appearance in silksong at all?

[white glacier]

It even holds Verdania species

[cloud crater]

I think its really cool how pharloom's """economy"'" works

[covert hollow]

He doesn't. The knight does

[cloud crater]

Based on faith, the pilgrimage, the journey, every time you have to pay for something, a bench, bellway, the bell shrine, it is simultaniously a test of faith, and your failure of that faith

[hexed stump]

I felt that it was kinda odd to have him in the title but then he's not at all in the game

[covert hollow]

Pay or die

[spring escarp]

Squirted

[covert hollow]

Eh, he was barely there in hk so

[cloud crater]

In order to rest, you have to give up your physical manifestation of faith in the gilded lie, and so the pilgrims go without, climbing higher and higher, armed (sometimes literally) with nothing but blind faith

The entire point is toil, to keep going and going, and needing to rest is seen as a failure of your belief

[lucid pasture]

i didnt think abt it but it is indeed funny

[dire lynx]

i just got the twisted child ending and i have come to the theory that the white lady was born from a similar process and is the same species as that baby parasite root thing

[cloud crater]

Even the bell shrines are a test of faith, to see if you're devout enough to deserve this checkpoint opened up

[lucid pasture]

you would thinj they would make a hollow knight parallel at least but theres not really anything that central to it at least

[scenic stirrup]

Do u think lifeblood is evil or naur

[maiden meteor]

Seems like it

but it’s really cryptic

[scenic stirrup]

I feel like its a neutral entity like void is

[dire lynx]

not evil, but higly destructive. Its not a malicious entity

i doubt it has any kind of awareness

[maiden meteor]

It seems a lot like infection but less volatile

[scenic stirrup]

I feel like it cant really spread on its own

[dire lynx]

its basically a parasitic plant

[maiden meteor]

maybe it’s symbiosis kinda deal gone wrong

Joni seemed pretty normal

[dire lynx]

joni also clearly died before late stage corruption

[scenic stirrup]

I feel like stax only became like that because he was experimenting with it

[dire lynx]

xylotol seemed normal at first as well, and who knows how long hes been working with lifeblood

[scenic stirrup]

I read theres some sort of reaction one of the weaver places get when u have some lifeblood on u?

[maiden meteor]

Hornet does say she saw same horrors in Hallownest

[maiden meteor]

I think Eva reacts to lifeblood overdose

[dire lynx]

definitley why PK outlawed its use

[maiden meteor]

maybe Lifeblood was chill and then something triggered it

[scenic stirrup]

I feel like there should be an ending if u bind the gm silk if ur overdosed

[maiden meteor]

since we see Lifeblood entity in Abyss it might even be void related

[vast agate]

fentsong dlc

[maiden meteor]

I feel like only thing lifeblood od does to Hornet is that she oozes so much lifeblood it automatically mends her wounds

[dire lynx]

i thought it was only in the lifeblood room of godhome? where is it seen in the abyss?

[maiden meteor]

In the room with lifeblood core

[vast agate]

in a way they are opposites, with lifeblood representing aggressive growth while void is aggressive destruction

[maiden meteor]

one where you need a lot of lifeblood masks

[scenic stirrup]

When i saw white lady in red memory i lost my shit

💀

This game man i love it so much

[maiden meteor]

it’s interesting that Lady seems to be aware of being in memory

[dire lynx]

the cloak that hornet wears in that memory is really interesting to me, also dope as hell

[maiden meteor]

or at least she seems to talk to Hornet in real time

[scenic stirrup]

Its the same as pale kings cloak

[dire lynx]

and the pure vessels and the royal retainers

[scenic stirrup]

It kinda mirrors how the pale kingused to talk to the white lady

[dire lynx]

seems to indicate she was a member of the pale court

[maiden meteor]

It’s probably just formal attire

wouldn’t want someone walking in palace in their street clothes

[dire lynx]

why dont we see it in the upper class part of city if its simply formal?

only in PK related areas

[maiden meteor]

I don’t really think normal aristocracy was often allowed in the Palace

[scenic stirrup]

Pharloom made me realize how much of a good ruler the pale king was

Bc what the fuck does pharloom even have dawg 😭

[dire lynx]

the only bad thing he really did was the vessel stuff, and that was kinda non-negotiable if he wanted the kindom to survive lol

[maiden meteor]

like there were normal bugs, then aristocracy and then closest King servants

[scenic stirrup]

The talk between the white lady and hornet gave me chills 😭

[maiden meteor]

I wonder if we really just pulled Everbloom from our memory or if White Lady somehow gave us one

[scenic tapir]

iirc lifeblood is considered to be a parasite in silksong but i don’t remember how it was treated in hollow knight

[maiden meteor]

Well, it wasn’t as prevalent in Hallownest during game events

[dire lynx]

it was seen as heretical by the society of hallownest

[maiden meteor]

Maybe because it couldn’t spread cause of infection

and once Radiance died it began its spread

[scenic tapir]

anything outside of the worship of the pale king was considered that way yeah?

[dire lynx]

no, PK didnt care about who others worship

he lets the mantis tribe be as well as the mosskin

[midnight vault]

He doesnt need to make people worship him he just has pale aura that does it for him

[lucid dirge]

no cuz nearly every single tribe that joined hallownest did it cuz they wanted to or they just refused and the pk left them alone (the hive,mantis tribe)

[scenic tapir]

ohhh ok fair

[lucid dirge]

thats why i found it kind of weird that people painted pk as super mega adolf hitler who kills everyone he doesnt like when he clearly had very good reasons for why he did what he did (and i saw some people randomly blaming him for the void society not existing anymore but i think its pretty obvious it went extinct long before he came?)

[dire lynx]

in SS hornet also describes seeing similar horrors in reference to sate of the wormways in act 3, it appears the kingdom of hallownest learnt of the destructive nature of lifeblood and outlawed it afterwards

[lucid dirge]

legit the moment he realized the vessels werent hollow and that he killed literal infants only for his plan to save everyone not work he literally died out of guilt 😭

[dire lynx]

literally, ive been a PK truther since day one bro

[scenic tapir]

that paints a whole different picture for me honestly
grandma silk seems pretty darn brutal

[scenic tapir]

damn

[lucid dirge]

yeah no unless dlc drops some insane lore then gms is literally the worst person to ever live in the hk universe 🥀

[scenic tapir]

interesting..
so its considered heretical in HK and in SS its considered parasitical
its foreign to both hallownest and pharloom?

[scenic tapir]

she ain’t gettin out of this one 😭😭😭
thanks for the lore clarification

[scenic stirrup]

I wanna fight grimm again as hornet 🧎

[lucid dirge]

im pretty sure what it has been proven to do in ss is the reason why pk banned it 😭 we dont know if its just something that is everywhere (like the void) but i think its safe to assume its foreign

[dire lynx]

We dont know of where it originates, it defenitley doesnt come from pharloom, though it could come from Hallownest. Its infectious nature is probably what led to it being seen as heretical in Hallownest, it was only demonstrated in SS though

[lucid dirge]

it seems to live pretty comfortably in the void so its either related to it or its even worse than we think it is

[sterile knoll]

what is white lady's origin? Is she there already even before wyrm/pk arrived ?

[lucid dirge]

pretty sure she was there before i dont remember exactly though

[dire lynx]

not elaborated on at all, we have next to nothing on the white lady

[lucid dirge]

im leaning into it being even worse somehow

it just seems evil and sketchy as shit

[scenic tapir]

with how it deals with enemies it looks like it mutates them into oblivion and basically makes them infection on steroids

they can autoheal so they’re like buffed zombies

[sterile knoll]

White lady doesn't have any bad tendecies unlike pk and grandma, being a pale being too...or was it just not explored in the lore

[maiden meteor]

honestly I think PK couldn’t subdue mantises and hive even if he wanted

it would be way too much trouble

Mantises are too fierce and Hive is basically out of Hallownest’s bounds

[dire lynx]

i recently came up with a theory on how she was born though, see: just got the twisted child ending and i have come to the theory that the white lady was born from a similar process and is the same species as that baby parasite root thing

[sterile knoll]

Or her light beacon attracting bugs all over is her bad tendency?

[maiden meteor]

she kinda squatted in Gardens

it used to be mosskin territory

[lucid dirge]

the fact that it can somehow live in the void and potentially infect void creatures too 😭 (lifeblood beast in hk1)

this shit is BEYOND evil bro

[scenic tapir]

crazy just how one questline changes the entire view of lifeblood 😭
with how lifeblood is portrayed i thought it was associated with some higher being or a source of natural power, like unn or the crystals

[scenic tapir]

wait what LIFEBLOOD beast?
hold on how did i miss this lemme see

[sacred heath]

crazy question but
is it unreasonable to assume the white lady and Greyroot are connected somehow?

[lucid dirge]

fuck it its not even living its THRIVING in the void what the fuck is this thing ON

[maiden meteor]

Lifeblood entity also can casually invade Godhome

[dire lynx]

i think its more likely a creature infected by both void and lifeblood, the knight shows no adverse affects no matter the amount of lifeblood it exposes itself to.

[lucid dirge]

its a background creature hidden in the void lifeblood room and in godhome

[maiden meteor]

although considering Zote could invade it too they just have shitty security

[lucid dirge]

knight is probably just built different because hes part void part pale being

hornet seems to overdose on it unlike the knight because she is only part pale being

[maiden meteor]

I think abyss creature might just be the the mastermind behind Lifeblood

[dire lynx]

hornet is also pale being, its definitely the emptiness of the void protecting it

[maiden meteor]

the room we meet it in seems like some rite of passage

[lucid dirge]

with the recent lore drops i dont think its the mastermind and its just another creature infected

[scenic tapir]

probably the void aspect is what’s making them be able to retain the lifeblood but then that would mean some weird synergy with lifeblood and void

[lucid dirge]

which just makes lifeblood even more horrifying 😭

[dire lynx]

see my above theory

[opaque wing]

arent pale beings often weakened by the void

[sacred heath]

lifeblood is literally infection 2 but worse somehow

[lucid dirge]

i did say that but the game states that being a pale being makes you more resistant to infections from other entities, hornet says herself she can only resist so much before it messes her up

[maiden meteor]

Hornet often states she’s tougher than average bug but not super tough

like she can only withstand greyroot for a while

and doesn’t have enough power of her own for memory ritual

I think base Knight would be tougher than base Hornet

because void and stuff

[scenic tapir]

what the gurt is the pale species anyway

[maiden meteor]

they aren’t just species they’re gods

we don’t even know their origin

just that they’re ancient and powerful

[lucid dirge]

TEAM CHERRY...IS RACIST......

[scenic tapir]

LMFAOOO

[maiden meteor]

and that void is their natural enemy

[dire lynx]

the void when focused seems to be above all things, it may be especially good against pale beings but i dont think there is anything specific to prove that

[sterile knoll]

Lol

[scenic tapir]

is that why those that know when they see hornet treat her like she has the potential for divinity

[maiden meteor]

I mean not above all, one Everbloom was enough to severely weaken shade lord

[maiden meteor]

likely yeah

[dire lynx]

true, i was reffering to sentient stuff

[maiden meteor]

she’s probably the only living being that could bind GMS

because she’s basically like 75% pale being

[lucid dirge]

didnt really seem to weaken it more like just reset it back to its natural place?

kind of?

cuz the shade lord seems to be just fine its just in the void

[maiden meteor]

Well, I go off by theory that flower ending is the silksong one

where we only see a glimpse of shade lord

[dire lynx]

it also holds back the entire void single handedly

[maiden meteor]

I mean Knight could do that too after getting void heart

[scenic tapir]

but the everbloom did fade when hornet tried ascending with lace

[maiden meteor]

Well it was submerged in endless void sea

[dire lynx]

its power was all used up, but still, a single flower holding back the entire void for as long as it did is very impressive

[maiden meteor]

shade lord wasn’t that big and was only in process of emerging from Godseeker

and Everbloom did fade after exploding

[lucid dirge]

yeah but it doesnt seem to be a forever thing

[scenic tapir]

true
team cherry pls lands serene content (never, most likely)

[maiden meteor]

I mean it doesn’t seem like we need those for Everbloom lore

[dire lynx]

shade lord also probably lost some level of strength after trying to exit the godseeker and losing her focus

[maiden meteor]

p sure pale being can just make em

in first game White Lady already implies she can create everblooms with her “Not of me this flower” line

and I think Silksong confirms that

Ze’mer’s flower was probably a reminder of her former ruler

before she moved to Hallownest

[scenic tapir]

in red memory?

well that do be where she is 💀

i just recall the “first light” dialogue but nothing that explicitly confirms her being able to make the everbloom
i thought she just presented it to hornet

[maiden meteor]

Well, she declines to take Ze’mer’s flower in original game

so I don’t think it’d make much sense for her to hold same flower

[spring escarp]

Probably she gavevit tot he grey mourner

[maiden meteor]

nah, White Lady says it’s not of this kingdom

and Mourner also mentions it being from far away iirc

[crisp musk]

So like
Are they related, or something?
The roots, the gleamy eyes, the whole obsession with offspring
At the very least sharing a species somewhere

[dire lynx]

mourner is the foreiner who brought it to hallownest from a distant kingdom

[lucid dirge]

yeah but one tickles you with no consent the other is just a freak

[maiden meteor]

they’re similar but greyroot has distinct differences

[lucid dirge]

🥀

maybe we will get more revealed later?

[maiden meteor]

Greyroot seems to just rebirth constantly and parasitize on bugs

[crisp musk]

Dlc in 2037

[lucid dirge]

but they are clearly connected in one way

[maiden meteor]

while White Lady just wants to smash

[crisp musk]

"To be continued"
-Mr mushroom ending scene

Theres more comming, be it dlc (please a godhome equivalent) or Zoteboat

[scenic tapir]

what if greyroot’s current body is a host she parasitized

[maiden meteor]

it’s funny how she restrained herself and yet her roots still reach throughout entire kingdom

[maiden meteor]

I don’t think so

it seems like Greyroot plants bud inside bug’s shell and then it emerges

like Alien kinda deal

[scenic tapir]

xenomorphing 😭

[dire lynx]

the twisted child ending along with how the witches crest makes your HUD look has led me to the theory that the white lady was born from a similar process and is the same species as that baby parasite root thing.

Specifically if it parasitises a pale being

[crisp musk]

We also dont know the moral alignment of the thing that emerged
For all we know, the ""bad"" ending could be better for pharloom than the true ending

GMS is gone, too

[maiden meteor]

I mean in Twisted Child ending it seems like bud just grew out of control

[naive crag]

its probably evil

[maiden meteor]

we know that it killed loads of bugs to exist

[naive crag]

eva doesnt let you get near her when youre cursed

[dire lynx]

at the end there is an egg shaped thing which cracks and we then hear a screech from whatever emerged

[maiden meteor]

Ahh right

I wonder if that new witch will exist like forever

or will eventually have to rebirth again

[dire lynx]

also just look at the HUD with witch equipped, even before i got TC ending i was like "damn, white lady still watching over us"

[brisk finch]

It could be that the new baby is just Greyroot reborn into a more powerful form (which has worrying implications considering what they're willing to do)
But if you theorize that the White Lady was created in a similar way (Root species into pale being), then the world may not be in danger

[naive crag]

''stay back, twisted leech! even lodged within another's shell, your ravenous nature shines clear''
''you shall not defoul this chamber, nor claim my soul. begone!''

[maiden meteor]

Greyroot also seem to not have thoughts which has worrying implications

it does sing but what if it just mimics what bugs do

[dire lynx]

it starts off looking like greyroot but turns pale after falling within hornets will

[brisk finch]

Eva saw the Twisted Child ending coming

[maiden meteor]

Also I feel like unlike Lady greyroot doesn’t really have “main” body

what we see is just one of appendages

[brisk finch]

She's definitely much bigger than she implies

[dire lynx]

imagine shes just got a really long neck xD

u just put a really funny image in my head

[maiden meteor]

what if “Witch” is just one of its organs used to lure bugs in

would explain why it doesn’t think

I also wonder if you can play needoline near bud cradle

[dire lynx]

thats a good question, i wish i could check it out

is there a debug mod for SS yet?

cuz i dont want to create a whole new save just to check it, but i am really curious now

[brisk finch]

I can't find any text for the bud/"mandrake" in the files

Only inventory and Witch dialogue

It could be that it has an odd name, but even going through all text that mentions a bud (so lots of alchemist text too etc) and checking for alts, I can't see any

[plush spoke]

what is this ending

hornet dies and the twisted bud grows?

[brisk finch]

That's how I read it, ay

[crisp musk]

Greyroot probably didnt expect hornet to tackle the monarch while weakened, but still seized the opportunity

[brisk finch]

Also unrelated but I want to type it out before I forget: the fact that the Coral Wall tag has the quest Coral Curative tied to it, tells me that the Coral area (whether Coral Gorge or Red Coral Gorge or whatever) used to have a wish wall
...does that mean it had a village?

[plush spoke]

greyroot is the one inside hornet?

[brisk finch]

That+the Caravan Spider dialogue is making me wonder what exactly their plans were for that area before it was cut. It was cut so early too, 2019 seemingly
Like???

[quartz salmon]

well wishes can be given by npcs too, you dont need a wish wall

[brisk finch]

It says Coral_Wall tho

[quartz salmon]

oh

yeah maybe then

[brisk finch]

I assumed the same thing yesterday, yep

But I just checked the tag and went
Hold on a mo,ent

[quartz salmon]

caravan spider?

[brisk finch]

Cut fast travel npc 😄

They still have triggers in the save file and some dialogue in the files

[dire lynx]

look at the discussion just above for my thoughts

[brisk finch]

Including dialogue for going to Coral

[naive crag]

nothing happens

[quartz salmon]

i see so originally wed travel around probably with the help of the fleas and that spider

[plush spoke]

oh wow what a timing

[brisk finch]

Hold on a mo

[rose owl]

is there any confirmed complete lore or just some theory the community agrees?

[brisk finch]

"FreedCaravanSpider": false,

"SeenCaravanSpider": false,

"MetCaravanSpider": false,

"CaravanSpiderTravelDirection": 0,

"OpenedCoralCaravanSpider": false,

"MetCaravanSpiderCoral": false,

"CaravanSpiderPaidExtraBellhart": false,

"We’ve arrived, small spider. Bellhart waits just through that tunnel. From this distance at least it seems safe enough? Perhaps the rumours of its danger were overstated? If you’re needing travel here again, I’m inclined to offer a more reasonable rate." "Thank you for your service, Sir. It may seem safe from here, but I shall keep my guard up nonetheless."

" (purchased passage, “get in!” etc)"

"Many thanks for freeing me, small spider. It was a careless move, to blundered into those deadly threads.You too look a spider, but these ropes suggest you use no silk in your service?Hoi. No! Don’t mistake. I am arachni, sure, but no Weaver, and the better for it! If I could produce silk I’d be fast seized by the Citadel.To weave... Quite a talent, and I’ll not deny some envy, but my weakness means my hide stays safe.It’s no matter really. I’m a fair talent with my vineropes. Trade me a few rosaries and I’ll take you via routes only I’m able to scale."

" Gah! Traveller, please! This wretched thread has me snared tight. There must be a thick knot up above. Cut me free!"

"Travel to Bellhart?"

"(canceled shop menu)"

"Spider, I can take you to Bellhart, but I warn you, the pilgrim’s speak of bad happenings around that place.Though I’ve not seen it for myself, I’m charging a premium to cover the risk."

CARAVAN_SPIDER_TALK_THREAD "(No longer needed. Remove.)"

CARAVAN_SPIDER_MEET_CORAL "Well well. I’ve not seen this old stop in many a beat. You have my thanks for clearing it.The coral overgrowth has grown wild. The bug built structures about these climes are subsumed beneath it. I’d heard the coral was always a hard thing to keep under control, even back when the place was well travelled.Now there’s no one left to tend the path, it’s no surprise so few pilgrims find their way through."

This isn't all the Caravan Spider dialogue, just the things I thought stood out

[brisk finch]

Currently, a very slow community consensus is forming. Some things are stated outright by Hornet and/or other characters, but a lot of the timeline is very vague

[maiden meteor]

Listened to Last Surgery cylinder

[lucid dirge]

HES COMING BACK FOR THE STEEL CITY DLC TRUST!!!!!! HAVE FAITH!!!!!!!

CARAVAN SPIDER 2026

[brisk finch]

See, the fact that Shale is a backer character does make me pretty certain that we're getting something

[quartz salmon]

" Gah! Traveller, please! This wretched thread has me snared tight. There must be a thick knot up above. Cut me free!" seems like it is just the bell beast first meeting but with an intelligent spider

they probably decided not to do a last stag thing again

[brisk finch]

(Shale is the steel assassin with the nose whip)

[quartz salmon]

isnt it sharpe

[brisk finch]

That's stil what happens to bell beast lol

[brisk finch]

Oh my god is it

[lucid dirge]

yes bro its sharpe

[quartz salmon]

yeah p sure

[brisk finch]

YES IT IS

XD lol
Anyway, uh
This bit is just super interesting to me from a lore perspective
Not because it's canon, but because TC considered it canon at some point:
** I am arachni, sure, but no Weaver, and the better for it! If I could produce silk I’d be fast seized by the Citadel.To weave... Quite a talent, and I’ll not deny some envy, but my weakness means my hide stays safe.**

[quartz salmon]

i mean like with the older stoic and kinda stingy traveller bug that has not done its job in a while

[lucid dirge]

they must have cut it pretty early though cuz wasnt bell beast in an early ss trailer as a fast travel npc?