sk-lore

[severe siren]

Just eat the blue guys

[spark valve]

kingdoms let you do cool shit

[naive cargo]

Well shit man wastelands got like

[severe siren]

I need to make a silksong enemy deliciousness tier list just like what i did for HK

[naive cargo]

dust

[spark valve]

sand sand and more sand

[vapid pendant]

Scary idea for any civilization in this world... make a kingdom on the surface??

[naive cargo]

and cool skulls

[spark valve]

this is literally just the nuu questline

[foggy fractal]

ok imagine you were placed in that situation
like you could sustain yourself but you lose a home, have no contact with anyone, your life is just wondering

[severe siren]

Simple is good

[foggy fractal]

I wouldn't like that but I wasn't born into it so idk

[vapid pendant]

That cook boss from sinners area for one specific reason

[severe siren]

Just tame a bunch of those wild bugs and there you have company

[foggy fractal]

easier said then done

[severe siren]

They die to a toothpick im sure its fine to grab

[limpid summit]

Imagine biting into some fresh ass pukebug…worse cut than sharpe

[cloud plover]

mmmmmm

delicious

[severe siren]

Pukebug would be like eating a sponge that absorbed fucking crude oil

[foggy fractal]

palestag would be like 3 star michalin male mmmmmmmmm

[severe siren]

Hector is very tasty

[cloud plover]

verdania is so interesting i need the lore

[severe siren]

I mean choir clapper
Nah hector is better

[foggy fractal]

what do we think of wisp thicket

[severe siren]

Its so ass

[cloud plover]

why does it exist

[spark valve]

cool conceptually awful gameplay wise but at least it has a craftmetal

[severe siren]

Wisp thicket definitely feels like something Ari wanted to make rather than any of the other guys

[foggy fractal]

also that big round coral guy kinda look like me lowkey we both red we're both round

[severe siren]

“What do you mean by that” his favorite souls is Demon’s Souls of course he’s gonna love a gimmick area with a gimmick boss

[cloud plover]

oh is your pfp a photo of yourself

[severe siren]

No shot they do troupe again though or im uninstalling

[zinc herald]

wonder if the nameless town is meant to actually be the origin point of the pilgrim culture

[severe siren]

Keep that shit unique to HK

[zinc herald]

as in some bugs ended up on top of pharloom

[foggy fractal]

wait no

[spark valve]

I don't think so

[foggy fractal]

hi i am andy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/586931790208434203/1280200348946006096/speechmemified_anders.png.gif

[zinc herald]

troupe would be fine ..?

it doesn't have to be grimm for the troupe

like they could do a lot of things with the nightmare realm aside from grimm so I don't see why not

[spark valve]

troupe would suck, would make no sense

[severe siren]

Troupe wouldnt make sense regardless

[cloud plover]

andy i need you to travel to pharloom and spoil all the dlcs and all future content

[spark valve]

pharloom isn't dead they ain't coming

[severe siren]

Cause the kingdom isnt actually dead ever in spite of the game’s events

[vapid pendant]

How would we access the nightmare realm without a dream nail

[limpid summit]

The only fanservice I would love is a genuine NMH boss fight

[zinc herald]

don't we already sorta access the dream realm with the one song

[severe siren]

The most we would get is maybe a secret room where the flame torch is meant to be, and maybe the one responsible for lighting it

[limpid summit]

We don’t even know if it can fight

[zinc herald]

or is that considered different

[limpid summit]

Probably not

But the troupe would be dumb

[zinc herald]

I'mf ree

[cloud plover]

i believe it’s considered different

[limpid summit]

I honestly think a Lifeblood update is happening though cause it wasn’t even about Lifeblood in HK

[cloud plover]

actually i don’t know

[vapid pendant]

Hold up 235 and not 234?

[zinc herald]

I agree there's probably better things to put in than the troupe I'd rather something more novel or connected to actual ingame events

[limpid summit]

Comic 2

[cloud plover]

yea

[limpid summit]

One comic per game

[cloud plover]

godhome is coming for sure though if it doesn’t i’ll sell my left pinkie toe

[severe siren]

On everyone’s souls we all hate shardillard

[limpid summit]

Sherma comic that’s literally just Quirrel with some random as Boon and Shakra as Hornet

[zinc herald]

dude I could not for the life of me find a fucking PILGRIM HULK

[foggy fractal]

oh if you dual garmond and zaza can you not fight lost garmond ?

[zinc herald]

you can

[severe siren]

They have both entries

[zinc herald]

my screenshot has lost garmond right next to garmond

[severe siren]

Also fuck i didnt know you could duel g&z

[foggy fractal]

give me like 7 years

[severe siren]

It doesnt count for journal though thats for sure

Its just a bonus

[zinc herald]

yeah it only shows up if you do it

[cloud plover]

dude that’s like a year before the next tc game go faster

[severe siren]

Is it much different from lost garmond

[vapid pendant]

Where and how do you even fight him. For me he just kept sleeping in a city untill he died in act 3

[severe siren]

Oh wait garmond would actually use zaza

[zinc herald]

I just stumbled across it, idk the exact requirements but I met garmond before I went into the citadel (so in act 1) and then to the east of the citadel settlement I keep forgetting the name of you can find him on a platform where he asks if you want to duel

he is like piss easy too it's kind of funny

[limpid summit]

You can dual g&z??

What’s the tradeoff

[severe siren]

Shakra duel is cool though

[foggy fractal]

so the theoritcal max is 236 with shakra and garmond and zaza right ?

[zinc herald]

I don't think there is a single tradeoff

[vapid pendant]

Damn
Sad i missed it then
Another thing for steel soul!
Probably never lol

[foggy fractal]

also I'm sad that second sentinel got moved to a small room

smh I wanted a cool dual on a long bridge

[zinc herald]

open your save in a save editor the amount of flags for random encounters you can get is ridiculous

I also missed a shit ton

[severe siren]

Yes

[zinc herald]

apparently there's a whole ass npc I just never encountered whatsoever

I guess I missed shakra ☹️

[severe siren]

Who

[limpid summit]

Not even LG

[zinc herald]

some pilgrim without a name I forgot

[severe siren]

Oh

[zinc herald]

had an adjective instead I think

[zinc herald]

lost garmond is required for a momento I would find it kind of stupid if you got locked out of it

and again the entry is right next to g&z on my screenshot lol

[severe siren]

Can we all agree the worst memento is seth’s

[vapid pendant]

Dont remind me

[zinc herald]

I found seth in greymoor that's about it

[vapid pendant]

Hes in Shellwood now

[lapis geode]

I think I fought Garmond already. He is very helpful for Moorwing

[zinc herald]

I would rather datamine the locations than try and find them myself LOL

[cedar owl]

honestly kinda hard to say. a big part of the major updates and dlcs hollow knight got were supposed to be added to the game before release but TC ran out of money. that wasn't an issue with silksong though

we might get an update if they feel really nice

[foggy fractal]

I'm not even gonna bother doing that one lmaooooo

[vapid pendant]

Brother
Its confirmed we are getting dlcs

[lapis geode]

Lifeblood update? I thought that blue m3th is just a small item?

[zinc herald]

easily the most boring thing in this game I can't lie

[cedar owl]

thats news to me

was there a post on twitter

[severe siren]

We know we’re getting content updates, this was said before release

And they said they had ambitious plans

[severe siren]

In a big interview

[zinc herald]

I bet you guys can't guess what 4 achievements I'm missing. heh

[cedar owl]

which interview?

[severe siren]

I just need both steel soul ones, speed completion, and twisted

[cedar owl]

the one right before the release date announcement?

[severe siren]

Yes

[vapid pendant]

Yes

[lapis geode]

Let me guess: 100% Steel Soul?

[severe siren]

Wrong reply

[zinc herald]

I have a save file with max masks and the 3rd needle upgrade for twisted if you want it

[zinc herald]

well that's one of the four yeah

[severe siren]

Nah im good i can get it on the speedrun file i just beat a couple hours ago anyway

Thanks though

[limpid summit]

You’re right I think considering Godmaster’s reception and the replayability it adds a boss rush or replay mode is at least unavoidable

But everything else is a toss up they already had years

[zinc herald]

just offering because I really did not like having to recollect a bunch of shit just to get the ending lmao

cuz I got cursed pretty early

[vapid pendant]

I feel bad for the first person that will legit get the 100% steel soul achievement

[severe siren]

That will be me

Not the first definitely not

But ill do it soon

[zinc herald]

speaking of the twisted child ending does anything happen if you get the true ending cursed or does something block you off from doing that

[lapis geode]

Honestly, I'm still in Act II.
Yet the lore I get in here also helps me understand and connecting the dots easier.

Cause damn, the lore is too deep.

Especially when the moss druid said that weaver supposed to grant wishes(?) which makes me baffled.

[zinc herald]

if you wanna get confused go find the herald in act 3 lmfao

dude is just there says shit leaves

[white panther]

do we know anything about this bug? Found it on Far Fields on Act3. There is no name but Hornet treats it with a lot of respect

[lapis geode]

Is anyone try to play the Needoline near it? I'll still try though. What shit that bug say is mine to know

[zinc herald]

yeah says the same stuff as the original HK I think

[zinc herald]

isn't it just them

[cedar owl]

nvm it seems like we are getting extra content

although absolutely nothing about dlcs was said in the interview

[limpid summit]

Oh hell yeah years??

[severe siren]

Its carmelita but old and past prime and larger from age

[limpid summit]

Go dudes

[zinc herald]

well the HK dlcs are also kinda just updates so

[cedar owl]

mfs just be saying shit over here can you believe it?

[limpid summit]

I think directly saying DLCs would psychologically like

[foggy fractal]

I wonder if we can find the complete sprite

[limpid summit]

Remove some aspect of excitement

[covert tusk]

My question is are they gonna bring back the Godseeker herself or will we find another way, cuz honestly I’m nowhere near as opposed to just having Godhome again vs say, Grimm troupe again honestly

[zinc herald]

honestly I think dlc is a bad word for it anyways

[limpid summit]

They’re not gonna bring Godseeker back

At least I hope not

[zinc herald]

godhome would make sense as well I think

[lapis geode]

Maybe we can learn more 'bout radiance instead? Or more weaver

[cedar owl]

I would not call the grimm troupe and godmaster updates

[zinc herald]

I would they just come with the game now

[white panther]

oooohhh cool, thanks

[vapid pendant]

We gonna get the deitysearcher instead

[limpid summit]

The justification for attunement and Godseeker focus in general is already dumb they could easily come up with a new concept

[stone stone]

would godseeker even work? i mean we dont have dreamnail, unless needolin works

[foggy fractal]

sadly the sprite document sumwan shared isn't avaiable anymore

[severe siren]

Honestly after what transpired in act 3 i dont trust tc anymore

[foggy fractal]

yeah anything could happen

[native mural]

Not sure if this is ss lore or HK lore but it's about hornet, and I'm sure this is very base level stuff but was hornets mom also the white lady?

[limpid summit]

Oh you better believe THK is coming back in a big way

[cedar owl]

there's a term for that, free dlc

[foggy fractal]

tc really doesn't care about allat

[limpid summit]

WL helped raise her

[zinc herald]

free dlc just sounds like the same thing as updates but for when you don't want to make a live service game

[lapis geode]

Yes? She is a dreamer too, and perhaps also ex-weaver.

[limpid summit]

?

WL?

[zinc herald]

unless I'm missing something no her mother is herrah

[lapis geode]

WAIT.
He was? I thought only the Mom did.

[cedar owl]

no?
her mother was herrah?

[covert tusk]

No her mom is Herrah, the whole point of Hornet existing in universe was cuz she was a bargaining chip so Herrah could become a dreamer

[severe siren]

I think the pink lightning shit is really cool but its a shame it doesnt have its own region or anything

[native mural]

I thought so, that makes more sense because she's a spider esque... Thing

[lapis geode]

Ooohh..
I thought Herrah at least an ex-weaver. My bad

[zinc herald]

she's the child of herrah and the pale king, and is half-weaver half-wyrm

[limpid summit]

Wait what do you mean

[severe siren]

The tool you get from it though is fantastic

[limpid summit]

Ughhh

[zinc herald]

herrah literally was a weaver not just ex-weaver as far as I am aware

[limpid summit]

Herrah retcon is the worst one in the game

Nothing interesting whatsoever about Deepnest spiders anymore

[cedar owl]

nah, herrah is a weaver. the dialogue in silksong all but confirms that
hornet is called half weaver half wyrm or something like that

[native mural]

So to make sure, pale king and white lady mass produced kids and the knight was one of them right? (I promise there's correlation

[zinc herald]

yes

[limpid summit]

Trilobite? Keep wondering
Honored caste and King of Deepnest? Bums

[covert tusk]

It’d also be interesting since, depending on how they approach the all endings are canon thing, The Knight kinda showed up her “Godly” status in their eyes, getting mollywhopped by a “Cringer”
Would be interesting to see their thoughts on her

[limpid summit]

They produced tons of eggs exposed them to void so the unborn children would come out as zombies

[native mural]

So hornet is the daughter of the pale king and the knight is its kid too, that's why they have a lot of similar qualities? Like being able to heal... To say?

[reef jetty]

Geometry dash fans are crazy lol

[lapis geode]

I think only Hornet is Herrah's daughter. The rest of the knight is.....

Well I think they're voidborn or something.

[covert tusk]

Also this is extreme but imagine if in this hypothetical godmaster update we could fight the first game’s bosses with Hornet’s play style

[limpid summit]

Yep the ability to focus soul comes from Pale King

[zinc herald]

It'd be interesting as well if they still considered radiance the god of gods or not cuz the game is 100% after the original

[severe siren]

Pale king is a fool

[native mural]

So does hornets ability to use silk to heal herself, is that spider mom or no

[limpid summit]

Pale king was a HERO

[zinc herald]

or if they consider the knight the god of gods because they defeated radiance despite it not being in godhome? idk

[dense chasm]

GMS and the first sinner weaver can also focus soul through silk, so it’s not a PK exclusive tech

[foggy fractal]

raghhh I want silksong sprites NOW !!!!

[lapis geode]

Pale king at least not making us pay fee for sitting down.

[severe siren]

Bro saw black tar in the center of the world and said “URETHRA! 💡”

[limpid summit]

Partly weaver partly PK

[vapid pendant]

When will people finally datamine them smh

[limpid summit]

She’d likely be able to do it if she only had one of each

[covert tusk]

GLORY TO TGE PALW KING, I NEVER HAD TO PAY 15 DOLLARS PER BENCH USAGE UNDER THE HALLOWNEST DYNASTY

[limpid summit]

True

[limpid summit]

Binding is at least a bit different

[dense chasm]

I think PK heritage let’s her silk be independent of GMS

[cedar owl]

no, thats just from the weavers.
all the fancy stuff hornet does with silk the weavers could do as well

[severe siren]

Thanks

[zinc herald]

team cherry made like 300 different asset bundles LOL

[vapid pendant]

Wtf

[foggy fractal]

someone already did but its not longer avaiable
all text is still avaiable though

[limpid summit]

It’s not like Hornet’s focus is exclusively from the Weavers

[severe siren]

Why was it removed to begin with

[limpid summit]

She gets a unique set of abilities with it from the Weavers but her Wyrm lineage definitely factors in

[native mural]

Is focus like a thing commonly used by higher beings?

[foggy fractal]

idk #sk-lore message

[limpid summit]

Focus is a term that’s used for a lot of things and means nothing

Like mask

[native mural]

Oh okay 😭

[limpid summit]

But focus is used powerful contexts yeah

[dense chasm]

It’s kind of a vague umbrella term for like being able to think

[cedar owl]

well hornet binds herself with silk, she doesnt focus

[foggy fractal]

it just says that its in the owners trash
so the owner of it trashed it

[limpid summit]

Godseeker focus isn’t anything like other focus

[cedar owl]

your heal is called bind in silksong, not focus

[severe siren]

Hornet when she sees the word “binding” vs knight when they see the word “binding”

[lapis geode]

Correct me if I'm wrong:
Pale king want to "delay" the infection of radiance. So he get a crazy idea to use 3 dreamers. If I remember, all 3 is a weaver.

Herrah is the only one that brings a negotiation to the table and demand an heir. Which, despite already engaged with the white lady Pale King just bang her.

Hornet then appear, and spend some time with Herrah like for a couple of years. After she got sealed as a dreamer, and the Hollow Knight is put, the kingdom succesfully halt the radiance for many years.

Am I right?

[limpid summit]

“In Hollow Knight, the Knight gathers soul by striking enemies and can Focus that soul to heal its shell.

In Silksong, Hornet possesses similar skills, though her abilities are tied to the silk she produces. For Hornet, silk and soul are inseparably bound, her life-force fused with her thread. When enough silk is held Hornet can Bind, wrapping her wounds and readying herself for further battle and exploration."

[vapid pendant]

Dear god

[foggy fractal]

you're wrong

[severe siren]

False nuke

[foggy fractal]

very wrong

[lapis geode]

Damn.. enlighten me then

[limpid summit]

Binding is analogous to focus with her weaver lineage serving as the baseline

[sly pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/extremely-loud-incorrect-buzzer-buzzer-sound-buzzer-jarvis-play-the-extremely-loud-incorrect-buzzer-sound-jarvis-gif-4937353270264763123

[limpid summit]

But similar skills implies PK’s genes won out

[lapis geode]

Cause I REALLY WANT TO KNOW.

My college class is kinda boring and need some reading.

[cedar owl]

nuh uh, the weavers had the exact same link between silk and soul.

[Seamstress]:Ahh ha! Truth, no doubt! In Pharloom, yours is a rare skill, prized beyond measure, to channel one's soul within a thread. Soul and Silk inseparably linked. It is a skill almost lost from Pharloom. Those old Weavers shared it, but they're long dead now.

[limpid summit]

The other two dreamers weren’t weavers and PK wanted to seal the Infection forever not just delay it

[severe siren]

This

[limpid summit]

But otherwise you’re close

[dense chasm]

The dreamers sealed THK which sealed the infection but yeah

Same diff

[cedar owl]

hornet's silk abilities come entirely from the weavers

[vapid pendant]

Honestly i think pale king knew Sealing radiance wasnt a forever solution but like, what else to do

[vague whale]

kill it

[limpid summit]

He probably wouldn’t have done anything else if he didn’t think it would work forrver

[vapid pendant]

From pale king she just got a liking for buzzsaws

[limpid summit]

It was in his nature to rule infinitely

[lapis geode]

At least it works for over a year. Which is still awesome since Hallownest is literally fighting the god of the sun

[foggy fractal]

All three dreamers aren't weavers
Lurien isn't, Monomon isn't and even Herrah isn't, she's just a spider iirc not a weaver

also White Lady isn't mad over Pale King, here's her dialogue: "I never begrudged the Wyrm's dalliance as bargain. In fact, I feel some affection for the creature birthed." the creature birthed being Hornet

[vague whale]

bug spray, unironically. get every alchemist in the land to figure out how to kill the Radiance

[dense chasm]

Well it would’ve worked but THK was flawed but he didn’t know that

[cedar owl]

Btw @limpid summit, I'm not saying the Pale King isn't relevant in Hornet's birth. He was massively relevant
the game says the Weavers weren't able to produce offspring naturally. the pale king was likely the reason why Herrah was able to get pregnant

he's just not relevant when it comes to hornet's silk powers

[limpid summit]

No yeah ofc

[dense chasm]

Herrah isn’t a weaver?

[foggy fractal]

idk I'm iffy on that

[flat birch]

||I just finished Act 2, and wow, I was really surprised by the arrival of the Void, but I didn’t quite understand what happened. What was the Void’s intention in taking the Silk Mother? Was it the Void itself that took her, or does it have something to do with the Lord of the Void? I’m just starting Act 3, so if they explain it later, don’t tell me||

[limpid summit]

But he’s massively powerful I feel as if he must contribute to hornet’s powers in some manner if not directly (duh) then he increases them far beyond a regular Weaver

[dense chasm]

Ohhhh shittt I didn’t know that?”!! Is that confirmed? Is that mention in the original

[vapid pendant]

Really?
He was hanging out with him and having father and son momenets and an IDEA that his son started to form thoughts didnt even appear in his head?

[cedar owl]

let grab the text

[limpid summit]

Hornet’s soul acquisition is really crazy TK level soul farming is unheard of

[dense chasm]

It would explain why herrah looks so different to other weavers then

[lapis geode]

I see.. so at least White Lady already met her as a child.

Then how about HK? Like the mass produced one? Are they pure voidborn (born from the void) or need to be hatched first?

[worn flicker]

only herrah is a weaver, the ither aint

[limpid summit]

The game calls Hornet born of Weavers but Herrah being a Weaver is something that was never suggested in HK so it’s a bit strange

[cedar owl]

[Hornet]:How did you come to be sealed here, Eva?
[Eva]:Lady, you mistake. What seems a cage is as much my shell as the form inside. I was born within this space. To leave would be my death, an uninspired end, though one I've sometimes wished would come. I am unique, you see. My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task. [Hornet]:I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also it's victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits. Are you too an attempt to defy that cruel constraint?
[Eva]:A flawed attempt. A life spun from rune and shell, sustained only by its cage. My thoughts may mimic a Weavers but my senses are my own. Over time, that difference brought only distance between us.

[dense chasm]

Ohhh

[limpid summit]

Pale king has flawless genes

[dense chasm]

So PK like artificially inseminates herrah

Is that why she looks so different

[cedar owl]

idk, he somehow managed to get her preggo

[limpid summit]

The Vessels didn’t seem to get much from WL anyway besides maybe like horn variation

[foggy fractal]

ig Weavers just taught Hornet ? because afaik Herrah was just the queen of deepnest, whilst weavers did come there Herrah wasn't one of them

[lapis geode]

Artificially?
So there is a way to do it in unnatural way? Damn.

Seems like Pale king is a scientist himself🫨

[spark valve]

he does hornet's silk is exceptionally powerful even compared to weaverrs

[foggy fractal]

also what do we think of RED Herrah 🥶

[limpid summit]

Herrah was naturally born in Deepnest, a “common beast” at least that is what is suggested by HK

[vapid pendant]

Red

[worn flicker]

i mean he did create void constructs

[lapis geode]

I thought the idea that she is a weaver is added in Silksong, based on the dialogue provided above.

[cedar owl]

ok no, nothing says hornet was conceived artificially
it just says that herrah managed to overcome the Weavers' limitation for having children, and presumably it was because she had a child with a god

[limpid summit]

Pretty much

[cedar owl]

I thought that too but silksong makes it pretty clear she's a weaver
or part weaver at least

[limpid summit]

Unfortunately

Midwife in shambles

[fallen ridge]

Maybe all spiders can become weavers if taught?

or if they receive some sort of weaver inheritance

[vapid pendant]

Hey lets all wear giant ball masks and not tell herrah

[cedar owl]

nah, the weavers were specifically created by the Grand Mother Silk

[fallen ridge]

oh right

[limpid summit]

Personally I think the Weavers did something to Herrah as a spider to make her a Weaver of sorts

I don’t like idea of her arriving from Pharloom or being a rare Weaver birth

[lapis geode]

But isn't Grans Mother Silk herself pretty much an irregular born (not god, just a special lady) here?

[spark valve]

no she's a god

[foggy fractal]

yeah she's a god

[cedar owl]

hornet says she's a higher being and she is powerful as fuck too
I don't see why she wouldnt be a god

[foggy fractal]

also first sunner cutscene

[foggy fractal]

yep journal entry explictly say that shes a higher being

[cedar owl]

it's actually so nice how explicit everything is in silksong. hopefully there wont be many arguments here

[foggy fractal]

[cedar owl]

but fr, the lore is so straightfoward now

[dense chasm]

Herrah a body being so much bigger than any other spider/weaver, especially in the lower abdomen is surely almost definitely probably bc of birth stuff

[limpid summit]

Greyroot 🗣️🗣️🗣️

You know what’s telling

[cedar owl]

we do not talk about greyroot, greyroot is not real

[limpid summit]

And this might just be for simplicity’s sake but WL calls her a spider instead of a Weaver

Elite cope

[vague whale]

I want to know more about Greyroot 🤔

[cedar owl]

the thing is, it's stated hornet is half weaver, half wyrm. and herrah is hornet's mother, logic follows herrah is a weaver

also, this dialogue implies herrah is a weaver too:

[Eva]: My mothers shared the curse of their tribe, to conceive a child is a painful, near impossible task. [Hornet]:I know the curse well, Eva, for I am also it's victim, and spawn of one who managed to overcome its limits. Are you too an attempt to defy that cruel constraint?

[limpid summit]

Greyroot is going to be discussed at length

[vapid pendant]

Yeah its so straightforward!
There is absolutely no reason to question why shade lord appeared for a second when the knight appeared!

[limpid summit]

Ughh yeah yeah I know

God TC

!wiki twisting scratching

[oak meadow]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Mushroom_Clan
Not the correct result? Use !wiki page twisting scratching for a direct link or !wiki search twisting scratching for a list of all hits.

Hollow Knight Wiki

Mushroom Clan

The lands of Hallownest are filled by several groups of strange sentient creatures. They occupy various territories around the vast kingdom and developed their own societies and cultures aside from the Pale King's rule.
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Table of Contents
Bees • Flukes • Fools • Mantis Tribe • Mosskin Tribe • Moth Tribe • Mushroom Clan • Snail Shamans • Soul Sanctum's Scholars • Spider Tribe • The Grimm Troupe • Godseekers…

[vague whale]

Do we even know what Greyroot actually is

[limpid summit]

It stands to reason that she’s a Root and Roots are a powerful species, sort of like how PK is referred to as Wyrm but Wyrms are a species too

But like honestly

Nope

[lapis geode]

Damn, I like this.
Lucky that I have some basics of Hollow Knight lore (albeit rusty) so learning Silksong isn't that much harder

[limpid summit]

SS recontextualizes the whole bargain in a stupid way

Herrah was a common beast so she wanted a princess as collateral

Now she’s a Weaver and just wants a powerful Weaver child

[lapis geode]

"Cruel constraint"?
Is Horner actually try to defy it too like having a mate herself?

[vapid pendant]

Is it really that complicated?
I see greyroot as a form of death
Something you cannot escape no matter how far you ran away

[cedar owl]

hornet had mates, we know that wonderful detail now. but as far as I know we don't know if she tried to have children

[vague whale]

She might just be annoyed that it exists, not that she necessarily wants to pull a Herrah, it's just bad that she can't if she wanted to or ever does want to

[cedar owl]

Herrah is actually opposed to what the other Weavers wanted. They wanted hornet to be some god queen or whatever, Herrah just kinda wanted a daughter it seems

<entry name="RED_MEMORY_BEAST">...Ignore them, daughter... their whispers...[Herrah]:...Greater, grander... Weaver, guardian, queen... Those are their desires... not your own. Certainly not mine...[Herrah]:...Only if you resist them, you might see it, another hope... beyond...[Herrah]:...But to recall these words, in time so far... Will you even remember me, child? Could you?...[Herrah]:...A mother... before the mask... before I lay forever in duty…

[lapis geode]

Oohhh...
I think the emphasize of "cruel" just try to make me imagine that she actually tried.

This is basically just a free assumption from the writer perspective here.

"Every dialogue with use of strong words always have strong meaning."

[limpid summit]

They wanted Hornet to be a Weaver and Herrah didn’t care

[deep forge]

What on earth

[limpid summit]

Calling it

[lapis geode]

She doesn't to say cruel fate if she doesn't tried. She can say "fate"

[limpid summit]

Weavers saw the opportunity and gave Herrah Weaver characteristics so her kid with a god would turn out Weaver

[foggy fractal]

damn the curve claw tool is really good if you can get it to hit multiple times

[cedar owl]

no, like, the weavers were trying to achieve godhood it seems. they straight up wanted hornet to be a god.

a weaver god specifically

[limpid summit]

Uh huh

[lapis geode]

Andy here just randomly said about claw tool when we discuss Weaver intention🤣

But honestly, I admit claw tool is useful

[limpid summit]

That’s why they made Eva they probably wanted to rail against GSM

[foggy fractal]

still not as good as cogflies though
cogfly is like on its own tier of good

[cedar owl]

yeah, Eva was a failed attempt at creating a divine child

"Hide her deep, the despised child, our shame shown in shell of iron. She is a wish cast vain, divinity mimicked in form too frail.”

[vapid pendant]

Cogfly with poison my beloved

[fallen ridge]

lol in the lore channel

[lapis geode]

A very pretty way to say "Bastard daughter that I wish to be ab orted" lmaoo🤣🤣

They're so pissed.

[limpid summit]

There’s nothing interesting about Deepnest if the only interesting thing about the regular Hallownest spider was changed to be Weaver related

Booo

[cedar owl]

and the pale king was just doing business with these weaver megalomaniac psychopathic god-wannabes

[lapis geode]

Basically the team just got a meeting and say: "How about we make Herrah something?"

"Isn't she just a regular, weaving spider in deepnest?"

"...yeah, but wouldn't it be cool if she is actually something?"

[vapid pendant]

Keep your enemies close as they say

[limpid summit]

Herrah was already the most complex dreamer where’s Lurien development

[vapid pendant]

Lurien: i simp for pale king

[fervent light]

lurien has one big eye

[lapis geode]

Depends on TC meeting.
If they want to bring up Lurien then sure, it can happen.

[foggy fractal]

yeah cogflies + poison + max upgrade tool kit goes crazy

[lapis geode]

I need to learn how to build lore. How to explain so many things while leaving certain area as vague is very thoughtful process⚡️🧐

[cedar owl]

ok, the only reason Lurien exists is because TC thought "2 dreamers" didn't sound as cool as "3 dreamers"

[fervent light]

the rule of 3!! and also it was 3 dreamers before they had individual personalities

[limpid summit]

lowkey they needed a dreamer that supported the seals but if they developed him more they’d realize he was acting irrationally so they just left him as is

[sly pendant]

Nah the dude that watches people through their windows is really important to the lore

[lapis geode]

The rule of two is also cool.

"There's always two the master and the disciple."

That quote contain so much story for the sith. Just search "The Rule of Two"

[vapid pendant]

Watches people through a window? Welcome back that one weird flea

[fervent light]

well that's in a different context, when all 3 elements have equal importance, say 3 dreamers who all function the same way, its different then a master and apprentice or big guy smart guy duo

thats where rule of 3's is usually applied, and its also just a thing that humans love the number 3

[cosmic geyser]

When I arrived at the east of the putrified docks, I was surprised to find there was a third of those odd, cloth balloons. A red one was in far fields, a blue in the blasted steps.

[cosmic geyser]

I played the needlion by the green one, and it showed people together, wondering why they had to hide.

[shy stratus]

major spoiler (third act) absurdly hard screenshot tho

[cosmic geyser]

So I think, considering their build and fugitive status: I think those 3 are weaver spawn!

The green needlion even acknowledges that they are both revered and feared.

[vapid pendant]

At this point every single npc in silksong is gonna end up as a secret weaver

[shy stratus]

the middle one has shaman stone looking head

[cosmic geyser]

Ok but these guys literally weave

[cosmic geyser]

Not them lol

[cedar owl]

me and the boys on our way to unleash the ancient force

[cosmic geyser]

Talking about these fellas

[fervent light]

every npc's story concludes as either being a weaver, dying, or both

so for true ending (just finished the game) ||which hk ending is canon? i know they've said "all endings are canon" but obviously some are more canon than others. sealed siblings is not, hollow knight is not, and the embrace the void ending with the flower is not because those all contradict observable facts of the world. it seems dnm and etv are equally canon, so is the hollow knight alive and walking around, or a shade in the abyss?||

[vapid pendant]

picks up a needle o-oh no- im turning into a weav-
Herrah we want a god

[cosmic geyser]

All 3 of them wear hoods that hide their faces

[sly pendant]

So like the cutscene after killing the first sinner, was that like a spider becoming a weaver through grandmother silk

[cosmic geyser]

And we know from the cradle that grand mother was specifically hunting down those with leaver lineage

[cedar owl]

not the grand mother, the citadel

they needed the weavers to keep the mother asleep

[cosmic geyser]

That’s an interesting take

I wasn’t sure if they served it or if they bound it

[vapid pendant]

Was the whiteward even doing the experiments on gms order or was it just bugs being crazy like always

[cosmic geyser]

Regardless, the bugs there wished for silks immortality for their own

[cedar owl]

the citadel was specifically created the keep the mother trapped
hang on there's a HUGE bit of dialogue from the mask maker, let me grab it

[cosmic geyser]

Complete Sherma’s quest there and it’s explained

[cedar owl]

it spells out everything very neatly

[cosmic geyser]

They were sewing silk into shells to allow bugs to persist beyond death

[vapid pendant]

I finished the entire game in 3 days my memories are a mush

[cosmic geyser]

Apparently, this was a generational tradition

[cedar owl]

@cosmic geyser
Hornet: "You speak of the Citadel? Its former function has failed, but I can still sense its purpose, some. It is church and cage both."

Mask Maker: "Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule."

[cold bloom]

My dsylexia keeps reading gms as msg

[sly pendant]

the rich elites are drinking childrens blood to keep themselves young type beat

[cosmic geyser]

Fascinating!

[cedar owl]

yeah, like I said before, the game just spells out everything lol
it's so nice

[lapis geode]

Wait, I thought the silk means they're controlled by Silk Mother?

So the silk is like a substance that important for immortality and maintain your soul?

[cedar owl]

ok but they're literally doing that

there's a dialogue about how the citadel is using silk to keep themselves alive indefinitely

[vapid pendant]

So hollow knight is about forgetting a god and silksong is about liking a good a liiitle too much

[cedar owl]

cant find it but trust me, it exists

[sly pendant]

yeah i know im just cracking a joke about it

[lapis geode]

At this rate, it's just too much lmaoo

[sly pendant]

the dude you find in the gauntlet in the high halls looks like hes on silk life support to keep alive

[cedar owl]

oh yeah the iv silk guy

[sly pendant]

yee

[vapid pendant]

Rip to the guy in act 3 though, he dead

[sly pendant]

rip the goat

[cedar owl]

you know, maybe there would be some silk left to keep the Mother asleep if they weren't using it for literally everything

[cosmic geyser]

Why do you suppose it was sold at such exuberant prices 🙂

[pulsar fern]

as far as I can tell, Silk isn't on it's own an indicator of being controlled by the Silk Mother, it seems to be it's own unique power that certain beings just have access to (Weavers). But I don't think it's mentioned if the power is being drawn FROM Silk Mother, or if it's just a thing that exists with the world

but it seems to be the latter

[cedar owl]

no no, weavers can create their own silk

[sly pendant]

grandmother silk is the primordial source of all silk

[pulsar fern]

wait where was that stated?

[sly pendant]

from her beastiary description

[cedar owl]

a bunch of places

[pulsar fern]

ah alright

[cedar owl]

I just posted a dialogue stating it hang on me let me find it

[Seamstress]:Ahh ha! Truth, no doubt! In Pharloom, yours is a rare skill, prized beyond measure, to channel one's soul within a thread. Soul and Silk inseparably linked. It is a skill almost lost from Pharloom. Those old Weavers shared it, but they're long dead now.

[trim stump]

i’m honestly just now thinking about it and i have a question. what is Lace? she can’t be a kid of the pale knight due to the white spirit appearance, right?

[pulsar fern]

honestly though I've loved the lore in this, though I can't fully say that there's a villain in this

[pulsar fern]

it's stated many times she is made of Silk

[sly pendant]

whichever team cherry member made bilewater

[vapid pendant]

At least the music is peak

[cosmic geyser]

She’s a living being made entirely of silk. Presumably, the mother of silk wished for a daughter

[cedar owl]

she's the daughter of the Grand Mother Silk
she was created basically as an act of spite against the weavers

[cosmic geyser]

Phantom was too right

[pulsar fern]

true, but Silk Mother was trapped, Weavers were essentially being whispered to constantly by them, and they wanted to flee from the Silk Mother because it seems they were essentially forced into servitude...

[trim stump]

damn thank you, i didn’t really try diving into it myself so my bad.

[hexed thorn]

Since Lace is made of Void & Silk, does that technically make her the sibling of Hornet & The Vessels..?

[pulsar fern]

at least that's what I've gathered

[cedar owl]

Granma was like "oh my ungrateful children don't love me? FINE, I'll make a child designed to serve me, how about that????"

[cosmic geyser]

Lace has void?

[cedar owl]

no

[vapid pendant]

Lace and void? What

[cosmic geyser]

I didn’t think so

[pulsar fern]

no, she's pure Silk

[sly pendant]

lost lace is lace infected by void

[hexed thorn]

I thought she was made of void? Isn't that made true via Lost Lace?

[cedar owl]

nope

[vapid pendant]

Go away hornet is void
Lace is void is my new friend

[fringe thorn]

do we know what the deal with ending c is? I've only seen it in datamined compilations, do we know what causes it?

[pulsar fern]

BUT, this game does explain why the Weavers ended up in Hallownest, they were basically fleeing from Silk Mother

[cosmic geyser]

We fight other lost characters too

A character lost means void has overtaken their form

They’re lost in the void

[hexed thorn]

So, is Lace still TECHNICALLY Hornet's sibling? Grand Mother Silk is the mother of all weavers, meaning she's related to Hornet in some way, and Lace is GMS's daughter.

[cosmic geyser]

Guess they cousins haha

[sly pendant]

cousins at best

[hexed thorn]

The family tree in this game is so confusing

[cedar owl]

she's technically hornet's aunt

[hexed thorn]

that's what I was thinking

[small cave]

Do you mean the curse ending? I believe you need to start the bud quest, and finish the game without getting cured.

[pulsar fern]

but I am confused... why did Herrah want to become a dreamer so bad in that case, like what benefit did they get from it? Was it related to the fact they mention waiting for the day someone can stop the Silk Mother so Herrah was trying to bargain for a child instead?? I'm a bit confused 😵‍💫

[hexed thorn]

So Lace is Herrah's sister, making Lace the Pale King's sister-in-law

[sly pendant]

she didnt really want to afaik

just decided it was for the better of her people

[hexed thorn]

She wanted Hornet to be born of God & Silk so she'd be strong enough, I guess?

[sly pendant]

but wanted a daughter with pk for the cost

[spark valve]

herrah just wanted a kid

[fringe thorn]

no, ending C e.g. in this compilation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF5emI92UgE
similar to default ending but with extra stuff at the end?

[vapid pendant]

Being made from the same god doesnt mean they are siblings lol. Every religion in our world would be pretty weird if everybody was related

[pulsar fern]

nah, they flee'd Pharloom and set up stuff for a kid who's Weaver/God to arrive in the future

it seems like they premeditated it

[sly pendant]

deepnest did the radiance pandemic confirmed

orchestrated plot by big silk to breed an heir with the king

[spark valve]

herrah didn't have a kid for any specific reason she in the red memory basically tells hornet to make her own path and not care what anyone wants from her

[hexed thorn]

GMS is a God?

[pulsar fern]

honestly I do wonder if it was intentional given Pale beings seemingly having a link/being followed by the void

[hexed thorn]

She's called Grand Mother, which very clearly implies... well, grandmother. Mother of Hornet's mother. Mother of Herrah.

[cedar owl]

The weavers wanted Hornet to be conceived because they were trying to create some sort of god weaver, which yes would probably replace the grand mother silk. herrah was a weaver but just wanted a kid
the weavers couldnt naturally have children so the pale king was necessary because something something his divine sperm

[pulsar fern]

fair enough

[sly pendant]

gms is a higher being of some type

[hazy iron]

is that one ||bilewater|| boss with the dark souls 2 runback required for silk and soul?

[pulsar fern]

Also I'm happy we finally have more lore about what the hell those freaky bees were still doing in Hallownest, as now the three mothers things is true

[sly pendant]

wrong channel but uhhh idk i dont remember

[hazy iron]

oh shoot this is lore

[vapid pendant]

A higher being which means kinda like a god

[pulsar fern]

if we're counting Pale King as a god, Grandmother Silk is basically the same

[sly pendant]

GMS vs Radiance death battle go

[pulsar fern]

unless we're just gonna call them higher beings from now on

[sly pendant]

isnt there distinction between pale beings and higher beings?

[strange needle]

so I've only gotten the main act 2 ending yet so I'm absolutely missing stuff BUT
I'm a bit lost on what happened to Citadel,what I assume happened is that the bugs tried to extend their life using silk and that caused GMS to slowly I guess...take over??manifest??I don't know if she was always there

[cedar owl]

Grand Mother Silk is even said to be one of the pale ones

she's like ULTRA higher being

she's called "pale mother" and "pale monarch"

[sly pendant]

harness her power by putting her in a coma and using her silk to extend life i think

[pulsar fern]

honestly this game leaves me with even more questions about what the hell is going on with Mister Mushroom

[hexed thorn]

The Pale King is a higher being, Hornet & the Vessels are still considered his progeny.

[cedar owl]

What has not yet been made clear about the 4th wall-breaking mushroom???

what possibly?

[hexed thorn]

Mr. Mushroom has ascended reality to that he may transport himself to the universes of other games - just like Vergil.

[strange needle]

how did they put a god in a coma

[cedar owl]

they used the bells

[sly pendant]

a really big hammer or something idk

[pulsar fern]

honestly it's the fact he directly interacts with Hornet in this, I thought it was a funny joke towards us since the Knight has no voice but like he ACTUALLY RESPONDS

[cedar owl]

the bells create a resonance that weakens the mother

[sly pendant]

oh yeah that makes more sense than my hammer idea

[hexed thorn]

This game gave more questions than answers about the first Hollow Knight

[spark valve]

they were suppressing her with song but eventually maybe due to that that stopped working, then she strung them up and started controlling them

[pulsar fern]

also are we saying Dream no more is canon, or godhome now... cause I'm confused

[sly pendant]

i need a joke ending where a human shoe just tramples pharloom

[spark valve]

either

[hexed thorn]

Basically any ending that involves actually killing the radiance

[cedar owl]

it seems like both silk and song were equally necessary
once they started running out of weavers the mother started to wake up

[blissful harbor]

dnm cause it’s more satisfying

[stuck lichen]

does this confirm that snail shamans are void creatures

[hexed thorn]

Sealed Siblings isn't canon, and The Hollow Knight isn't canon.

[sly pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[spark valve]

I don't know why silk would be necessary that's explicitly not why the weavers are being gathered (or at least not why hornet was)

[pulsar fern]

yes

[stuck lichen]

waow

mossbag was right once again

[pulsar fern]

they are void creatures seemingly, they talk about it in a weird way as if they're directly related to the void

[spark valve]

no

[cedar owl]

the cages of the captured weavers can be found in the cradle. I assume it's to maintain the cocoon

[pulsar fern]

are they not???? the way they talk about the void makes it seem they are related

[spark valve]

it's said that the capture was at her direction in some seamstress dialogue

[strange needle]

I see,that makes sense,I gotta pay more attention to stuff
is more about GMS explained in act 3 I'm really confused by her

[pulsar fern]

unless these are the snail shamans from the nameless village, but why would they get removed after the memory sequence

[spark valve]

[Hornet]:For its minions, so compelled in my capture, I now see clearly the source of their unity, and their strange strength... They are husks bound tight by the one who waits at its crest..

[cedar owl]

the capture was sanctioned by the citadel. whose purpose was to seal the mother

although hornet can also be used to free her somehow, it's a two-way thing

[spark valve]

the citadel has fallen to the haunting

it has gone silent

it was originally meant to seal her but then it failed and now she's calling the shots

[cedar owl]

there are still many bugs in the citadel that are sentient, some of the conductors too. besides, lace, who is aligned with the mother and wants to wake her up, attacks hornet's cage

[spark valve]

some things are sure but explicitly not the ones who were trying to capture hornet

[spark valve]

.

and Lace is not aligned with her mother

[pulsar fern]

also, speaking of the memory sequence... did Hornet bind the remaining Weavers?

[cedar owl]

she wants to wake the mother up

there's also this other thing, we know the weavers have been used by the citadel for a long time, even before the haunting started

[spark valve]

yes, that doesn't mean they were used to suppress gms, we know they were used for other shit like striving for immortality

[cedar owl]

and the general running of the country, yes. hang on, there was something I read about the weavers looking for a more permanent solution regarding the mother

[pulsar fern]

the rune harp?

[spark valve]

anyways

[cedar owl]

no I think it was from the abyss weavenest

[spark valve]

the point is hornet explicitly says that the ones capturing her were in service to grand mother silk herself

[sly pendant]

also I love that gms theme and the bells tolling are based on the dies irae chant

[spark valve]

.

widow also talks about capturing her for her mother

[pulsar fern]

wait no that doesn't make sense though, First Sinner was the first to combine silk with Runes, Hornet says so herself

and she was bound in the cage by Runes, something only the Weavers could do

[spark valve]

In youth, her voice united the wild tribes. Gave them the strength to resist the pale monarch's will... longer than most at least
there's also this, which indicates the haunting is gms's will taking over

there's mass mind control

[cedar owl]

yeah, I said it earlier it seems hornet can be used somehow to free her. but it also seems to me that the silk can also be used to contain her
just like song can either be used to empower the mother or weaken her

[pulsar fern]

unless they just learnt it from GMS, and that was the sin (trying to become more similar to them)

but idk

[spark valve]

gms is waking up anyways

[pulsar fern]

i think it's the Rune Rage description mentions about it

[cedar owl]

coincidentally when the weavers are dead

[spark valve]

hornet probably isn't needed to free her

[spark valve]

when the citadel is silent

[cedar owl]

that is true

the mother will wake up regardless

[pulsar fern]

i mean

[spark valve]

if there's anything that hornet and other weavers' silks would be very useful for to gms, the one calling the shots, it's keeping Lace alive

[pulsar fern]

Vespa mentions that eventually people will come for Hornet

and she'll need to fight

[spark valve]

that journal entry says that she could be sustained with enough silk, and we know plenty well how much gms wants to do that

[sly pendant]

"she called us daughters... called us divine... she lied" what does the first sinner mean by that tho

[pulsar fern]

it seems the Weavers knew/or planned? way more about Hornet's future

[spark valve]

that gms was lying when she said that, that weavers aren't divine

[cedar owl]

my issue with that explanation is that it doesn't explain why she's suddenly waking up

[spark valve]

it's not sudden

[cedar owl]

why did the bells suddenly stop being rung

[spark valve]

also weavers have been gone for a WHILE

[pulsar fern]

Weavers were basically forced into servitude right?

[spark valve]

[Hornet]:They hunt me for my nature. For the Silk produced within my shell.[NPC]:Ahh ha! Truth, no doubt! In Pharloom, yours is a rare skill, prized beyond measure, to channel one's soul within a thread. Soul and Silk inseparably linked.[NPC]:It is a skill almost lost from Pharloom. Those old Weavers shared it, but they're long dead now.

[wispy phoenix]

How is lore usually "confirmed" in HK? Like how did we eventually arrive at a correct conclusion for hollow knight? Was it always just speculations

[cedar owl]

like, I think it was a two step process
first, they ran out of weavers, which led to the haunting beginning. the haunting made the bugs stop ringing the bells, which in turn will make the mother wake up
@spark valve do you see where I'm coming from?

[lapis geode]

That "while" may expand either days or decades💀

[spark valve]

this isn't coincidentally when the weavers are dead in pharloom, it's a long time after

[spark valve]

I don't know where that first part is coming from when it could be instead explained by them actually modifying their bodies with silk when we know the haunting is in part reflected by physical strands of silk attaching to their bodies

[lapis geode]

Reason of Death?
Unknown

[spark valve]

that is not really relevant anyways

but a lot of the weavers just fled

[pulsar fern]

also seemingly, Lace and Phantom hated the role that was chosen for them, they were seemingly replacements for the Weavers that were under GMS command, right?

[cedar owl]

that part I admit has no dialogue saying it that I can remember, it's just me trying to make sense out of the situation

[lapis geode]

So the silk in Silksong is like... nanomachine? Can be used to strengthen body. But in this case, both mind & body🧐

[pulsar fern]

cause I'm the Exhaust Organ with Needolin you can see Lace talking to Phantom in the past basically saying "why us?"

[cedar owl]

it's only explicitly said that the bells weaken the mother. the part about silk is me trying to connect the dots to explain the haunting beginning

[pulsar fern]

also what's actually up with the nameless village above the cradle? is it the Hermit Crab village?

or is it something else

[spark valve]

that seems like a weird assumption that the LACK of silk would cause the haunting when it's manifested primarily through it

[lapis geode]

Mother can't hold some neighbour blasting music, she took a nap that spand to eons~

[cedar owl]

the silk would be for the cocoon that the mother is being kept in

[slate moon]

FINALLY beat gms while cursed 🤑

[pulsar fern]

cause honestly, it seems Pharloom is built underground if anything

[lapis geode]

Congrats🤝

[pulsar fern]

but the entrance seems like it'd be above ground

[spark valve]

I don't know that that's something she's being kept in as opposed to just something she does while she sleeps

[slate moon]

pretty sure both games are

[spark valve]

she's the primal source of silk her being dormant in a big ball of silk could totally just be an expression of her own power

[pulsar fern]

i just realised, I'm speculating on if bugs dig underground....

[cedar owl]

I dont think theres anything weird with this assumption
just like how song can either be used to empower the grand mother or weaken her

[pulsar fern]

[lapis geode]

I'm still thinking Citadel is pretty much my neighbour music organs, and Pharloom is a crack of wood that contain bugs inside🤣

Couldn't be more accurate.

[stable fjord]

Does anyone else feel like seth could be a reincarnation of quirrel or am I reaching beyond reach?

[spark valve]

he is not

[pulsar fern]

they're the Guardian of that one place iirc

basically Captain America as I called them

[stable fjord]

u sure tho

[cloud plover]

why would he be

[slate moon]

the game literally states that because the bugs injject silk into their bodies to become immortal, it was extremely easy to control them just by resonating with the silk

[cloud plover]

besides the fact that he is a guardian

[slate moon]

further hinted by the fact that every single enemy can be stopped dead in their tracks by the vidolin

[cedar owl]

oh btw @spark valve what do you think is the reason the haunting started? I gave you my version

[pulsar fern]

also this is true, it talks about bugs desiring the silk to become immortal

[stable fjord]

okay hear me out he comes from a lake without memory but say you are familiar and as he travels realizes he is skilled with a blade? kinda simalar at least

[spark valve]

the fact that they started cramming silk into their shells

[pulsar fern]

but it backfires cause it allows GMS to control them

[slate moon]

the underworks workers are cursed with immortality and tirelessness and forced into labor

pretty sure

[cloud plover]

definitely similar roles in the story but i don’t think that means he is a reincarnation

also seth has a much smaller role

[stable fjord]

fair enough, after 7 years I cannot exept my boy is gone i guess

[cloud plover]

i feel that lol

[pulsar fern]

what if it's related to the Pilgrim Journey? Similar to Hallownest reawakening because of bugs seeking fame and fortune in a ruined kingdom. Pilgrims came to Pharloom and gave more power to GMS by trying to attain immortality with Silk?

[stable fjord]

seth just seems kinda out of place to not be a refrence or something it feels like

[spark valve]

they started doing this shit

The souls of so many bugs, obsessed with Silk, consumed by it

[pulsar fern]

and yeah, this is whiteward, didn't people get sent there for disobeying so they'd be forcibly tested on?

basically a punishment

[spark valve]

Their procedures with Silk may have prolonged life within the Citadel, but they unknowingly gifted many minds to the monarch.
hell this entry STATES that those procedures gave her access to minds

[gleaming minnow]

is it bad that i want a mod that that gives 3 spell slots to the hunters crest in exchange for removing the weapon slots...

[spark valve]

this seems like a VERY strong candidate for why the haunting started

[pulsar fern]

honestly, is it bad I was hoping for a unique cutscene for using maxed Hunter crest

[spark valve]

@cedar owl

[lapis geode]

I see...
So Silk is not like nanomachine but more like "blood of God that grant too much power" kind of substance.

[cedar owl]

@spark valve yeah I saw that dialogue. There's also another dialogue where hornet says it makes it easier to for the silk to haunt them. there's just something I remembered I'm trying to fetch

[cloud plover]

he was technically a reference to a kid team cherry knew - they put seth in the game in honor of him and i’m guessing they kinda just had to cram him into the already existing lore

[pulsar fern]

that's why I was wondering if all silk flows through them, like is GMS basically a conductor of silk and allowing it to enter the world of HK

like if she disappeared, would Silk disappear too

[spark valve]

probably not

she's the original source of silk but the weavers she created can produce it independently now

[pulsar fern]

alr

[cloud plover]

she’s not a god though right?

[pulsar fern]

that'd make sense for the Weavers in Hallownest, as otherwise they'd be too far from GMS

[pulsar fern]

she is, I'm almost sure of it

I think she's just called a Higher being though

but Lace iirc refers to them like a god

[spark valve]

and apparently while weavers struggle to reproduce plenty of weaver populations have found ways around that

though a lot of the captured ones were apparently last of their lines

[stable fjord]

oh thats cool then

[cedar owl]

@spark valve oki, I found I was thinking about, just to be sure I wasn't imagining it
so the haunting affectes animals too, which is why I don't find the explanation of the surgeries very compelling, I think that just gave the mother an easier access to the minds of the bugs
In its natural state it would avoid potential predators, but Pharloom's Haunting now compels it to aggression. Fortunately, its jaws are ill-suited for combat

[spark valve]

the surgeries would be where it started

in the citadel, where they could disrupt its song

[cedar owl]

that seems really arbitrary

[spark valve]

it's not arbitrary whatsoever that's what the circumstances would dictate

[cedar owl]

anyway I like my explanation better but no hate

I think it ties better the loose ends of the story

[spark valve]

the haunting is becoming more widespread as she wakes up

[cedar owl]

it's getting late, and it was an interesting convo. I'll def put more thought into your theory, have a good one

[spark valve]

alright

[frail marten]

what became of the weavers who got captured again
are they just the ones you find and bind to

[spark valve]

they're missing

they were taken to the cradle

well

[frail marten]

do we know what happened after that

[spark valve]

not really

[frail marten]

huh

[gleaming minnow]

wait is this new lore

i thought the wingmoulds were just soul constructs

[spark valve]

that's not new no

wingmoulds and kingsmoulds are void constructs made with soul infused shells to constrain it and with the latter being imprinted with essence commands to serve as guards

[spark valve]

yeah they're just like taken to grand mother silk apparently

they're probably being harvested somehow, maybe grand mother silk just eats them or some shit who knows

[gleaming minnow]

okay man new area i accidentally walked into

[spark valve]

hornet at least has the ability to gain increased silk regeneration by collecting silk hearts from things, though those things tend not to be weavers

[gleaming minnow]

does anyone know how to get into the unraveled's arena

[spark valve]

in whiteward after the room with the morticians you go up and to the left, there's something to grapple onto, do that and a key will fall down, take that key to the lock in whiteward

[gleaming minnow]

this game likes to test me with new and excitimg challenges

[gleaming minnow]

which room is this specifically (with the key)

[spark valve]

uh one sec

[frail marten]

so did she just like
miss the weavers lying around in pharloom
they still have silk right since hornet can bind to them

[spark valve]

I don't think they still have silk

if they did it would've been collected 100%

there's even one in the citadel no shot they would miss it

[frail marten]

oh i guess its possible that the weavers purposefully drained themselves of silk to avoid detection from the mother
in order to wait for someone like hornet and lend them their power

[spark valve]

one is literally in underworks though like someone would've just seen it

[frail marten]

yeah its weird

im wondering if the tablet in mosshome below the silkspear weaver gives info about this? i don't remember what it says tho

[spark valve]

ok I looked back and hornet calls the ability locations tombs

I've visited the settlement you speak of. It was built around a burial spire, corpse-home to an ancient Weaver

[frail marten]

i guess gms just didn't see the weaver corpses as a threat?

[spark valve]

well

[frail marten]

like they've evolved past their initial conception by so much gms is underestimating them
considering how she bothered writing down how many choir members were lost when capturing the weavers

just a guess

[spark valve]

they were scheming and shit

they did have some way to hide from gms but I'm also not sure that by the end of their time in pharloom they would've needed to

[frail marten]

also widow is just here and she evaded capture for a while
probably has to do with her mask being removed

[spark valve]

This is in reference to the weavenests

which are certainly how they concealed a plan to exit the kingdom

but not all of them did, those who remained eventually lost control of the kingdom to the citadel caste, though they may have built at least part of it

[frail marten]

definitely since the silk snare is in atla

[lapis geode]

What you mean just "here"?
She lives below shadow for who knows how long. I think she is just good in hiding.

[dim beacon]

hornets half wyrm. can anyone hear me. its so dark in here.

first sc is from hollow knight

[gleaming minnow]

'hornet's half wyrm' we've... known this?

what do you think the pale king is

[frail marten]

things living in the shadows also fell to the haunting
and i did say she's been evading capture
until bellhart where she decided she should kill hornet tho i do not remember the reason

[spark valve]

widow has pins in her spine preventing her from using silk, she can't produce it so she has no need to be captured, plus she's valuable as a servant

[frail marten]

oh

[tawdry flare]

So is Herrah a weaver now?

[spark valve]

yes

[tawdry flare]

Awesome thanks

[frail marten]

i didn't know thats what the pins are for

[pulsar fern]

i thought we knew Herrah was a weaver?

[spark valve]

Her body seemed a Weaver's, but her mask had been forcibly removed, and her own Silk was bound useless by heavy pins lodged through her spine.

[spark valve]

hk implied otherwise

[pulsar fern]

ah alright

[cloud plover]

this would make sense as to why she looks so different

[urban lantern]

yea the whole thing with herra being a weaver i think is the only part of Silksong Lore that properly retcons something that was said in HK

[frail marten]

theres a few more

[pulsar fern]

wait I just realized, Weavenests are absolutely hideaways from GMS, they require song which Weavers used, and they're scattered in Pharloom's edges (Wormways, Bilewater, Abyss, Far Fields and Moss... uhh... place)

[spark valve]

snails having a fascination with void is also a pretty direct retcon

[crude marsh]

Yo so steel soul mode adds a new room and a new npc from what i saw? Whats with that

like a weird steel thingy that looks from the citadel

[pulsar fern]

wait hold on, Who the fuck was the Weaver hanging out in the void

[spark valve]

weavenest atla tablet

[urban lantern]

i mean they have a fascination with soul, the void is just something they might have learned of when looking for ways to trap the silk mother

[spark valve]

100% hiding from gms

[pulsar fern]

I knew they were trying, I just didn't make that connection that was what the Weavenests were for

but I'm curious how one of them found the Abyss, and which one of them said "ah yeah this is perfect for me to hide away in"

[urban lantern]

it was in fact, not the perfect place for her to hide away inn

[tawdry flare]

Not the right chat to ask this

[stark thicket]

ah sorry

[urban lantern]

there is a better ending, but you should ask #sk-help for that

[spark valve]

I mean it's not a bad place to hide

[stark thicket]

ok, i will delete it

[pulsar fern]

i mean yeah, it's got Void down there, i'd argue that's scarier than dealing with GMS imma be real

[spark valve]

they might've also been looking into it as an option to kill her

[tawdry flare]

The Void is an idle threat in most cases I think

[spark valve]

so long as you don't like touch it you're moooostly fine

[tawdry flare]

Unless you’re shining a bright light at a lake of it then it might get mad

[pulsar fern]

but no what I mean is, why did they produce a diving bell that could withstand those depths unless they knew it was there, is it just an undisputed rule in hk lore that if you go deep enough there's Abyss everywhere

[crude marsh]

Is it basically a fact now that the void is essentially everywhere at the "bottom" of the world? If so, that reminds me of rain world.
Either that, or for whatever reason sentient beings are drawn to places with the void underneath- whether they know its there or not.

[dim beacon]

Yes???????? I know

Im using that as an extra point here

[tawdry flare]

Hornet implies that the Abyss is everywhere in the Hunter’s Journal

[urban lantern]

it's heavily implied at least

[dim beacon]

That wasnt a mighty realization that was just something I was adding on

[pulsar fern]

honestly, with everything that happens I do wonder if it was semi-set up by the Weavers

but there's no way they could predict and plan all this out

[gleaming minnow]

i'd imagine that the 'void' is what lies below the abyss and that it bubbles up in exposed areas

[spark valve]

very semi maybe

like

[gleaming minnow]

because the abyss has a good amount of just rock and stuff before you start sinking down into the void

[crude marsh]

Actually yeah thats prob true

[pulsar fern]

wait actually

[spark valve]

maybe the weavers in hallownest thought hornet could be a countermeasure maybe

[pulsar fern]

they DID create the Snare

[tawdry flare]

The snare was just to catch her wasn’t it

[gleaming minnow]

im still a bit confused but with the snail shamans did they intend for the void to like
lash out and for GMS to survive

or was that a byproduct of lace being dragged down and gms resisting

[urban lantern]

yea but the snare is meant for sucking things into the void so

[spark valve]

no the snare is not originally meant for that

[pulsar fern]

it's stated it's GMS basically freaking out trying to protect Lace

[urban lantern]

would havve been a byproduct

[gleaming minnow]

the snare was probably originally meant to entrap GMS so they could just kill her or permanently bind her, the shamans devised the plan to drag her into the void

[pulsar fern]

||that's the reason why at the end they let you go with Lace||

[urban lantern]

ah yea i guess that makes more sense

[spark valve]

yeah basically

[pulsar fern]

because they only wanted Lace to survive really

[tawdry flare]

Just doesnt care about her other kid ig

[gleaming minnow]

i am still somewhat confused on how 'the void' and 'the shades' are two seperate entities

[pulsar fern]

then I'm sure the Shamans are void related... cause there's no way they'd know about it otherwise, and the Everbloom would have blown them away (same with Void given Form)

[crude marsh]

If you look at her Red Memory cutscene/segment where it shows her childhood, the weavers are wanting hornet to be a "Guardian" and "Queen". They clearly have a sort of prophesy regarding her return to pharloom as well, atleast i think so because of the dialogue of those weaver totems you get abilities from

[spark valve]

you can know about something without being made of it

[pulsar fern]

true, but then where did they come from? Nameless Village?

[gleaming minnow]

• the weaver queen ending shows her growing spider limbs n shit

[gleaming minnow]

is it explained why they died after the memory segment

[spark valve]

or they just predated gms which seems more likely

[gleaming minnow]

was the spell too powerful or

[spark valve]

probably

[cloud plover]

so why does gms want to protect lace so bad but wants to persecute the weavers

[spark valve]

they do direct hornet to sources of power that predate gms

[tawdry flare]

The void has no will, it’s just instinct and form. The shades have a will and probably just like. Arrived. Once they noticed Hornet was there. Or something

[gleaming minnow]

i think it's something due to wyrms/pale beings natures

'devotion or destruction' according to hornet

[cloud plover]

is gms confirmed pale being?

[gleaming minnow]

im pretty sure she is yeah

[tawdry flare]

Her quest is “Pale Monarch”

[cloud plover]

oh yea

[gleaming minnow]

i think the area with the speed dude in far fields

[spark valve]

few possibilities. One, the weavers betrayed her, she might just be mad enough to not gaf. Alternatively, she never saw them actually as her children, which aligns with the first sinner thing

[gleaming minnow]

is her cast off shell aswell (but i may be wrong)
also pale oil

[spark valve]

gms is not a wyrm

[cloud plover]

yea i think the second one makes the most sense

do we know how she created lace?

[tawdry flare]

She’s a god

[cloud plover]

ok but she obviously created them differently then the weavers

[spark valve]

I'm not sure what more specific an answer there would be than just making her out of silk

well yeah weavers weren't made from scratch they were like ascended animals

[cloud plover]

oh i see

[spark valve]

they're not just made of silk they're flesh and blood

[cloud plover]

that could be an explanation for why she views lace as more of her child

[gleaming minnow]

okay so just to clear things up
the higher beings we know of are:
Pale King
White Lady
Grand Mother Silk
The Absolute Radiance
The Void/The Void Given Focus
Unn
The Gods of Lightning and Storms
Whatever the fuck the grimm troupe's deal was

unless im misremembering

shade lord falls under The Void Given Focus

[pulsar fern]

Grimm Troupe is a ritual to bring about the next nightmare king isn't it? and it's an endless cycle?

[cloud plover]

yea i’m blind

[spark valve]

gods of rain and thunder are probably not actually higher beings godseeker calls them false gods

[gleaming minnow]

ah okay thanks

[cloud plover]

and the only pale beings on this list are pk and gms?

[spark valve]

and wl

[gleaming minnow]

i think white lady is a pale being? but i might be wrong

[spark valve]

pale being probably just means gods associated with soul

[gleaming minnow]

she's kinda white
n thats kinda their thing

[cloud plover]

i thought wl was god of root or something

[pulsar fern]

tbh I think they probably are Gods, but Godseeker thinks in comparison they're not really gods compared to the likes of Pale King, AbsRad, Silk etc

[tawdry flare]

This is basically what PK’s beacon did but more directly right?

[spark valve]

yeah, plus it gave them magic powers

[gleaming minnow]

smth i've noticed from HK and definetely from Silksong is how both games r kinda about how regular people/innocents get caught up and killed in whats essentially the god's playground

SS leans a lot more into the religion aspect though

[pulsar fern]

HK lore is depressing as fuck. But at least Sherma lives ❤️

[gleaming minnow]

deadass i thought we'd fine sherma like hanging from the ceiling outside the citadel or smth

prime 'oh yeah she's going to be a corpse later' npc

[tawdry flare]

Sherma could never die he’s too strong

[spark valve]

impenetrable plot armor

[buoyant wyvern]

It’s more depressing when the yard they’re in gets bulldozed to build a condominium

[gleaming minnow]

'ayo radiance i got a fire beat you need to hear' and then sherma nodiffs her

its that simple

[pulsar fern]

I unironically think Sherma's musical power made them live, Weavers seemed to lean towards song a ton, and the one character we see without any strong powers but has song ends up having one of the easiest times of their life during the ascent

[gleaming minnow]

its called silksong bro of course song has power smh

[spark valve]

song can suppress the haunting

[pulsar fern]

so what you're saying is Sherma can save everyone in Pharloom solo

[spark valve]

absolutely

if it wasn't for hornet mucking it up with the soul snare that is

sherma had that shit on lock

[gleaming minnow]

there's a mod to remove the codex entry about hornet having mates 😭

and it's called the 'no gay mod'

[pulsar fern]

what

[uncut holly]

What if the thing that put a rift between Grand Mother Silk and the Weavers was the creation of Lace, and the subsequent hunting down of the Weavers for the special silk that allows them to sustain Lace.

[crisp sonnet]

What's gay about hornet mating

[gleaming minnow]

lowkey i wish the whiteward was larger and had a second boss

[uncut holly]

First Sinner says they called them their daughters but that they lied, and that they where tricked somehow because they call themselves naive in Weavenest Atla.

[gleaming minnow]

whiteward + the greymoor towers give me bloodborne vibes

[tawdry flare]

Which entry is that

[gleaming minnow]

great conchfly

she talks about how she had mates in the past but none matched her lifespawn

[tawdry flare]

Ofc it’s the one boss’ entry I didn’t read…

[gleaming minnow]

because she's functionally immortal due to being half pale being

[pulsar fern]

nah, Weavers seemed to despise the gaze of GMS, and given that they were normal bugs but then ascended it seems they were upset they were robbed of their life, told there were Daughters, and Divine when in reality they were just bugs forced into serving GMS

[runic musk]

What people seriously thought that Hornet having mates automatically made her lesbian?

Is that why theres a mod to just remove it?

[pulsar fern]

I feel like Lace and Phantom make that rift very apparent

[uncut holly]

Was Phantom made by GMS?

[pulsar fern]

cause they ARE daughters, but even they are upset they were chosen by GMS

[crisp sonnet]

Because why in the world would a female bug mate with a male bug

[pulsar fern]

Lace calls her sister

[gleaming minnow]

the entry itself for phantom states she's a silk organism

[uncut holly]

People where super beholden to other beings that crated them in the Hollowknight universe, why does GMS get the short end of the stick by having their creations hate them

[gleaming minnow]

which means by proxy she would be a creation of GMS

[runic musk]

I just took the entry as her being bi and moved on lol

[gleaming minnow]

its like how the vessels r the siblings of Hornet by proxy of being creations of PK

[raven condor]

Apparently there is a steel soul exclusive boss just found.

[pulsar fern]

this is the lore channel sir

[crude marsh]

Yeah, just saw that on my timeline

[pulsar fern]

also what is that

[crude marsh]

steel soul has unique bosses and an npc, wish etc

[uncut holly]

Its the savior i think

[crude marsh]

prob also means unique ending

[crisp sonnet]

How are people getting bi or lesbian or anything from that entry 😭

It's literally unknown just from that unless I'm missing something

[raven condor]

Summoned Savior, looks cool,

[uncut holly]

Steel Soul has a new boss, they also have a new NPC but i dont know anything about it

[runic musk]

Where's this found?

[pulsar fern]

in Steel Soul

[runic musk]

Doesnt answer me

[crisp sonnet]

What part of the entry hints at bisexuality

[crude marsh]

it has been 10 seconds

[raven condor]

Actually no clue, just know that it exists.

[runic musk]

Hm.

[uncut holly]

Its in Moss Grotto left of Bone Bottom. I think you need a quest from the Steel Soul exclusive NPC

[tawdry flare]

Is that a Void boss

[pulsar fern]

btw is it just me or does it seem like TC were very inspired by Bloodborne with Silksong

[runic musk]

Looks like one yea

[raven condor]

Yes.

[tawdry flare]

Sooooo you’re saying Sharpe is void then

[uncut holly]

Sharpe sadly dont exist I think

[tawdry flare]

What…

[runic musk]

I dont recall Sharpe being a amalgam of bodies

[pulsar fern]

there's so many similarities with Bloodborne and Silksong in some gameplay elements and story that it's kinda funny

[raven condor]

If he ever ends up existing then Yes

[crude marsh]

from what ive heard the npc is on the far right of sands of karak

[uncut holly]

Nice. But Sharpe is sadly not real

Neither are their friends

[tawdry flare]

Team Cherry Where Is My Silk Soul

[pulsar fern]

I'm thinking dlc prob

[raven condor]

Nah, HK 3

[pulsar fern]

they probably just couldn't slot them in very well and decided it'd be best for a dlc

[tawdry flare]

There’s still a few backer items we have yet to see so yeah

[runic musk]

Speaking of endings I did a SS run (mainly scummed because I just want achievement thats all) didnt get a new one so perhaps that wish might be related?

[uncut holly]

We where supposed to get a band of 3 assasins that would have hunted you, Sharpe was one of them, the flying steel bug we see in the trailer was another

Presumeably they would appear in normal terrian, rather than as bosses except for maybe Sharpe, maybe they where invincible?

Invincible enemy that hunts you?

[runic musk]

Also of SS unless I am incorrect is Styx's wheel destroyed until later normally?

[uncut holly]

I wanna see the Lion Village, I think we where promised a Lion Village at some point

[pulsar fern]

how does the Silksong lore affect our enjoyment of Flea Dodge

[runic musk]

I swear it looks to me their wheel collapsed on top of them in SS but can't tell if thats the same normally because I found them pretty late in my first save

[uncut holly]

Didnt know Styx got their wheel broke, what happened?

[dusky badger]

what even is the plot of this game

[pulsar fern]

funi

[uncut holly]

Maybe that happens if you dont find Styx

[dusky badger]

why is it so imporant to reach the citadel

like

[uncut holly]

Grand Mother Silk at the top of the Citadel wants all Weavers or Weaver related people for some reason.

[runic musk]

Related image if it helps.

[spark valve]

hornet has to go there and kill her before leaving because if she doesn't she'll just get kidnapped again

[uncut holly]

They are the primal source of silk and all silk is an extension of them. Silk has the ability to weave spells and fast learn memories but the memories that are fast learned if they are alive kills the person

[crude marsh]

is this in steel soul or?

[runic musk]

Yea

[crude marsh]

dang poor dude got put out of business

[stuck lichen]

:c my boy....

[pulsar fern]

tbh, I feel bad for Green Prince in all of this. That poor chap

[uncut holly]

Grand Mother Silk created the Weavers from ascending normal bugs, introducing the concept of silk into the world. But cannot control them.

[runic musk]

Wouldnt be first time an NPC dies only in Steel Soul lol

[uncut holly]

The Citadel was built by Weavers which where ascended bugs from a small town at the top of Pharloom. The Weavers had a falling out with Grand Mother Silk we still arent exactly sure why, and at some point Silk makes Lace which needs to be sustained somehow.

Still trying to figure it out

[pulsar fern]

They lost everyone, and everything, even their memories. And the final thing they cared about we beat them to, the one thing that reminds them of the person they cared about, and then we go and intrude their memories... but they seemed happy in the end that they got to do one last battle and die next to them 😭

[spark valve]

weavers are ascended pharlids not from nameless town

[uncut holly]

Whats a pharlid again?

[pulsar fern]

ok so what is up with the Nameless Town then

[spark valve]

or at least first sinner is

[uncut holly]

If its the bugs from the First Sinner cutscene than it is likely from the Nameless town, as thats the only location that matches where that is seen and its possible that they ascended the towns people and any random bugs that where in the area

Pharlids likely live in the Nameless Town area, we know a bunch of other wasteland bugs do

[spark valve]

it's not from the nameless town nameless town was occupied by already sapient bugs and pharlids are animals

also pharlids are found in underworks and shit

they're just common

[uncut holly]

If you read the memories of the Nameless Town they mention following a light, I believe that is elluding to the fact thats where it happened

[crude marsh]

She also made Phantom, and grand mother silk had some kind of issue with Phantom, hence locking her away in Bilewater

[spark valve]

Small arachnid found in many crevices and caves throughout Pharloom.

[crude marsh]

dunno much about it, but lace was sad about it for sure

[spark valve]

they aren't pharlids though

pharlids are animals they can't make a town

[uncut holly]

I dont think it was only Pharlids that where ascended, just any bugs nearby

They just ascended all the local wildlife

And people

[spark valve]

nameless town isn't locals

[uncut holly]

What do you mean?

[pulsar fern]

no, I thought she was set to control the steam output of the Citadel?

[spark valve]

the bugs in nameless town weren't local they came from elsewhere

[wide raft]

Oh right, So Here;s a question for folks. If you've gotten endings prior, have you noticed a new icon on your saves?

[spark valve]

yes

[uncut holly]

Do we know that? I mean I think the implication is that, its above the Citadel, the Weavers where ascended there and then built the Citadel foundations from there

[wide raft]

These?

[uncut holly]

Their in Pharloom, they would be local, their also very close to the Citadel

[crude marsh]

Hm that too, but i played the needolin at her little white containment chamber within Bilewater- it had her trapped inside, and lace standing beside. Lace was saying something about being stretched too thin? I could br rlly wrong, i forgot the dialogue, and i dont think its exactly that

lemme actually try get that dialogue rq

[uncut holly]

It makes the most sense that the Weavers where ascended in Pharloom rather than in the wasteland, because they set up shop in Pharloom. The only real place we know to look like a Wasteland like in the First Sinner cutscene is that place

[runic musk]

correct me rq the silkworm guys name IS spelled as 'Styx' correct?

[uncut holly]

Was Eva ever called a Higher Being? I think at some point they where said to be a Higher Being with too fragile a form

[wide raft]

Eva was an attempt to make an artifical one

[spark valve]

not a higher being

a failed attempt

[wide raft]

and a massive failure, her body itself failed to sustain itself as a result

hence why she's a TUBE LADY

[uncut holly]

EVA also reacts to you when you have Greyroot curse, they dont even think its Hornet anymore

They freak out

[wide raft]

It's not that they don't see you as hornet.

[uncut holly]

Or they dont think Hornets in control

Atleast I interpretted it as

[wide raft]

They have a barrier up by default they let us walk through, They keep it up so long as you have the infection being called "a parasite, you'll not take me too"

Not close enough to see who it is, only that "It's bad juju"

[uncut holly]

Greyroots whole deal seems to be an inversion of White Lady. They are obssessed with Rebirth, and parasitizing other beings both bug and Higher Beings to abssorb their power and grow stronger. Question is was the plan always to get a Higher Being or just Hornet? We see them kill GMS if you bring them there. Also what is the significance of Greyroot being in Pharloom, do we have any other history on them?

At first I theorized they where why Shell Wood exists, but then Nyleth exists for that.

[wide raft]

They absorb things in general, anything willing to have a twisted root was at risk. Hornet was just the only one to survive implantation. If you talked to the bell nerd the first time you had the crying thing before giving it over they mention many have it as a good luck charm and bring it to the center of the shellwood in pilgrimidge before never being seen again.

[uncut holly]

Whos the bell guy? The Hermit?