sk-lore

[naive cargo]

or add so much lore to that guy and said "eh I dont like it"

"too fanfic"

[terse warren]

I wonder how the guy that backed for God Tamer feels right now

[vapid pendant]

Also do we KNOW sharpe isnt in the game as a act 3 steel soul boss or something?
Like did somebody already go through the games sprite sheets to confirm or no

[covert tusk]

A rival character for Hornet that would hunt her down alongside some teammates, all under the same faction Jiin and Jiji were from the first game

[naive cargo]

sprite sheets been datamine but its hugely unorganized but I wouldnt hold out

[near skiff]

Iam in start of act3 didn't see him once

[foggy fractal]

oh shit they have been datamined ? let me see

[naive cargo]

sumwan posted it somewhere

[raven cove]

They datamined the game basically as soon as it dropped

Endings were on YT within the hour

[foggy fractal]

where is somewhere pls 😭

[distant briar]

wack as hell tbh

[naive cargo]

#sk-lore message

[raven cove]

It’s not surprising honestly

[hallow shore]

Nah, Sharpe is gonna be the true final boss after you beat ||Absolute Lost Lace|| in the final DLC update

[distant briar]

we all finished act 3 here and spoilers are allowed so watch out friendo

[stone stone]

theres nothing there so it might be another act 3 thing?

[naive cargo]

hope he liked all the Tiso X God tamer fanart

[vapid pendant]

Huh
So there are two areas that we have no clue how to access

[foggy fractal]

thank u

[naive cargo]

back in my day that was THE hetslop ship

[near skiff]

Damn you guys are fast
I thought not alot of players finished the game
I came here to know anysht about the lore

[foggy fractal]

nvm can't view it 😭

[distant briar]

what do you want to know?

[cloud plover]

yesss

[naive cargo]

oh

[whole hawk]

Sharpe probably got scrapped because they wanted to give more focus to Lace and two rival characters dont work as well

[cloud plover]

hate coming back to my save file and everything’s depressing and hopeless all the time

[near skiff]

Understand the lore

[terse warren]

He's a backer character. Can't really be scrapped

[stone stone]

do we fully know what triggers act 3 yet? is it just all quests + fleatopia

[whole hawk]

Especially when Lace 3 essentially gets Sharpe's move

[raven cove]

My favorite SS lore drop is Hornet canonically had multiple bitches

[hallow shore]

Still a cool concept and designs...

Wait, what if they come back in a future update like The Grimm Troupe?

[distant briar]

what specifically?

[spark valve]

probably completion %

[vapid pendant]

He CANT be scrapped.
He was a backer boss
The only thing that could have happend is that he got delayed to dlc

[distant briar]

when did she say that again

[foggy fractal]

yeah what really confuses me is how can he be scrapped if he's a backer character

[sinful nimbus]

maybe the backer didn't want it

[raven cove]

Conchfly journal entry

[stone stone]

ok ty!!

[edgy stone]

Yeah the backer could canvel but its odd

[hallow shore]

Weren't there other scrapped backer characters? I coulda sworn...

[raven cove]

She says she had several mates but none of them had a lifespan to match her own

[sinful nimbus]

"You guys RUINED my character screw this man I'm out"

[distant briar]

aura

[near skiff]

I got the default ending I didn't understand the cut seane ||hornet was covered in silk then something happened ||

[raven cove]

This does make me wonder what the average bug lifespan is though

[vapid pendant]

Also im SO GLAD all those "silksong is a prequel" people got their reality check after the true ending

[raven cove]

Because a lot of HK NPCs had been alive since Hallownest’s golden age

Like Sly, the Nailmasters, and Ogrim

[distant briar]

she became the new monarch ( powerhungry hornet )

[near skiff]

Wrong replay@distant briar

[raven cove]

And presumably Midwife too

[hallow shore]

I think what happens is that after consuming Mother Silk she essentially does what she was already doing but on crack, sending out threads to completely choke the life out of Pharloom and rebirth herself as an all-powerful abomination

[near skiff]

Like the silk mother?

[raven cove]

So if Hornet had spider mates and midwife is still alive how does that work out

Did she have bee mates? Common bug mates?

Is Midwife an outlier

[hallow shore]

What does midwife have to do with this

[raven cove]

Hive Knight’s also probably old

[vapid pendant]

Also i didnt fully get it
Is first sinner a full weaver or a mix like hornet?

[raven cove]

Hornet says she outlived all of her mates (plural) but Midwife has been alive since Hallownest’s golden age and is still kicking

As is true of many other NPCs

I’m just trying to figure out how lifespans work

[whole hawk]

The weavers in pharloom are all born from mothersilk, no?

[raven cove]

Not born from her, they get their powers from her

[stone stone]

i think sinner was the first weaver that was made from a normal bug

[distant briar]

yes she took her powers for herself you can see that when she is binding her power when you kill her. Your HP bar gets all crazy and your crest is evolving. There is a point in the game where hornet says a part of her craves that revenge and the power of the Mother of Silk. But another part of her wants there to be a solution without that. Without taking her place - Thats how you get to act 3 and then all of this void stuff happens because she tried to find another solution

[naive cargo]

Maybe Hornet got bad luck with her dates

[raven cove]

The weavers were normal bugs prior to being transformed by her yeah

[distant briar]

I wish we would know where hornet got captured

[sinful nimbus]

ending 1 is character assassination smh

[hallow shore]

Realizing the Weavers were just normal bugs transformed into servants by Mother Silk had me pogging in horror

[spark valve]

presumably hallownest

[raven cove]

EtV fans:

[near skiff]

Ty

[raven cove]

ending 1 being bad is forgivable it’s not meant to be a compelling end to the story

[distant briar]

presumably - But it is a sequel and we have no idea how old Hornet so she could have long left

[raven cove]

I think ending 1 is fine

[raven cove]

Choral Commandment says otherwise

”Full chamber to the kingdom of the white wyrm”

So she was captured in Hallownest, there’s also no real reason why she would have left

[sinful nimbus]

I guess the question is how well it contrasts to the true ending

Which I havent gotten yet so

[distant briar]

ahh I forgot yeah your right there was that

[spark valve]

go do it it's meh but whatever

[sinful nimbus]

THK/DNM was a very purposeful contrast and I'm kinda doubting that SS will have that

[sinful nimbus]

Tomorrow maybe

[raven cove]

I loved DNM

SS has no such peak

[sinful nimbus]

Mount Fay

[distant briar]

whats Dnm

[raven cove]

Dream No More

[distant briar]

ah

[naive cargo]

DNM got fucked over man

Lil knight cant sleep peacefully has to actively pull the void together

[raven cove]

Yes that limitation being added is really really annoying

It doesn’t make much sense if you think about it for more than five seconds either

Just a pretty stupid and unnecessary addition

[cold axle]

damn, what an impressive amount of confidence in such a dogshit opinion

i almost have to admire you for that

not actually, but almost!

[vapid pendant]

Honestly
First sinner and Karmela are like the peak of silksong
Lost lace isnt close to radiance levels of peak

Felt like a harder lace fight and not a true final boss

[raven cove]

You disgrace the Nailah pfp

[whole hawk]

It's the pseudo Abyss fight I wanted so I'm satisfied

Helps that I like Lace's moveset

[vapid pendant]

But like..
Imagine fighting shade lord instead of lace

[cold axle]

same, that fight was great

[raven cove]

That would have been awful

[naive cargo]

fighting shade lord is way too much

[foggy fractal]

yeah

[spark valve]

wow that would be bad

[vagrant axle]

I expected Silk to join up in some way phase 3. Would be neat

[raven cove]

Lost Lace is a great fight

[foggy fractal]

why would Shade Lord want to fight Hornet anyways

[raven cove]

Great theme too

[vapid pendant]

Im not saying its bad
Its just not final boss tier fight

[high bane]

I loved Lost Lace, even if I think the design could've been a bit more dramatic.

[raven cove]

But lorewise it feels like a fanon character

And fanon ending

Act 3 in general just feels like fanon

[whole hawk]

Act 3 is pure fanservice CINEMA

[vagrant axle]

Act 3 feels like a full-blown DLC

[whole hawk]

the Inverted Castle of the new generation

[foggy fractal]

yeah I would've much rather have more original areas, bosses and story instead of void void void

[raven cove]

It’s fanservice cinema if you like jangling keys sure

[sinful nimbus]

hey remember that thing in HK? wasn't that cool?
hey remember that thing in HK? wasn't that cool?
hey remember that thing in HK? wasn't that cool?

[spark valve]

nyleth was the best reused thing

[high bane]

I really don't agree. It's a different direction for the story, but it still fits tonally. Saving Pharloom costs a lot, it's not easy, and seeing the world you've grown attached to over the course of the game in ruins was emotionally evocative.

[vagrant axle]

Thats what acts 1-2 are. Act 3 is peak cinema + nostalgia bait

[gloomy siren]

Do I have to spoiler things here or na

[vapid pendant]

Oh also do we not get an explanation why hornets everbloom doesnt break on any damage like in hollow knight or did I miss it

[whole hawk]

Yes the Abyss IS cool

[raven cove]

fr also why does everything behave like the infection now

[sinful nimbus]

The fact that you find it better than hornet is crazy

[foggy fractal]

and like c'mon another lace fight ? not even new sprites and ai ? like pls TC

[foggy fractal]

what is she reusing ?

[high bane]

It doesn't, the Abyss is a problem because it's trying to consume Silk and she's forcing it up into Pharloom with her threads.

[whole hawk]

it's arguably the best thing TC could have done that wasnt just a wholesale Pokemon Gold/Silver moment

[vapid pendant]

Probably half the enemies from that area

[gloomy siren]

So according to the true ending of silksong isn't godmaster / embrace the void the cannon ending of hk

[fossil sable]

without spoilers, is the game a sequel or prequel or something entirely different

[sinful nimbus]

The best thing TC could've done was make an original story

[naive cargo]

Yeah by the sounds of it, TC slapped a definitive "this is THE answer" to any active hollow knight discussion regarding certain details which is kinda

I say we SHOULD contiune the discussion of "are shamans void?"

[spark valve]

isma

[thorny lagoon]

@fossil sable its after hollow night

[fossil sable]

confirmed?

[whole hawk]

It's a good original story. I like the escalating themes of motherhood in Silksong. I like the contrast between Mother Silk doing the "right" thing as opposed to the Pale King.

[thorny lagoon]

in the game it is

[vapid pendant]

I mean wasnt it confirmed they are?

[fossil sable]

ok thx

[whole hawk]

And it all ties back nicely to Hornet's own memories.

[raven cove]

There’s the Haunting (Soul Infection) Lifeblood also functions similarly to the Infection in Act 3 and Hornet even says as much iirc ans Void also starts to infect shit but that’s due to it interacting with the remaining silk magic which doesn’t actually contradict its established nature so is fine (still boring tho)

[gloomy siren]

Confirmed later in the game

[storm whale]

I'm leaning yes. They got obliterated when you got the delicate flower.

Or maybe they just fizzled out with their shaman magic.

[spark valve]

the answer remains no

[cursive path]

do we think the line about seeing others assume their life is void of meaning or whatever that hornet says to lace at lace 2 is a nudge to the knight

[spark valve]

or thk

[raven cove]

They aren’t Void they just like it apparently

[naive cargo]

thats what im saying, they slapped a certain yes or no for old burning topics

[foggy fractal]

I think thats due to the spell to cast Hornet into the dream being so powerful that they got boomed

[high bane]

I think it was that they used up all of their remaining energy for that spell.

[raven cove]

Poor THK

If EtV is canon I hope it’s doing ok

If DNM is canon ik it’s chilling with the homies

[vapid pendant]

You would think they could have mentioned ANYTHING it will drain their powers

[storm whale]

Nvm, mb. I think they're not void anymore. Probably just over exerted themselves to death

[high bane]

Didn't they say that it would expend all of their remaining magic, or something along those lines? I don't remember perfectly.

[cloud plover]

does anybody know who this guy was supposed to be

[raven cove]

Shamans being able to cross the veil is neat

[foggy fractal]

boss use the needolin

[cloud plover]

i did

[foggy fractal]

try the other songs

[distant briar]

he was a chad thats his lore

[vapid pendant]

Probably just a random soldier tasked with watching over

[cloud plover]

nevermind i didn’t do it long enough cause i was waiting for the screen to start shaking when you enter dreams lol thanks

[naive cargo]

Team cherry should get more weird concepts!!!!!!

[distant briar]

one of many but only he remained there… unbroken

[raven cove]

In retrospect it makes sense that Snail Shaman in HK was able to identify being Dream Nailed we initially handwaved that as a general magical awareness thing like the other NPCs but it’s interesting know that we know that

[foggy fractal]

who is the most tragic character in all of hollow knight cinematic universe

🗣️

[naive cargo]

sharpe

[sinful nimbus]

lomm

[spark valve]

thk

[vapid pendant]

Elderbug

[raven cove]

It’s either the Pale King or The Hollow Knight

I would say they are equally tragic

[naive cargo]

First Sinner is up there

[spark valve]

they're also very closely tied to the point where it almost doesn't make sense to separate them in this context

[storm whale]

Leg eater. Wants to eat out, but got eaten instead.

[raven cove]

I suppose

[ionic helm]

why are the stilkin in bilewater "hate eternal"? are they just weird?

[naive cargo]

walking around as a lizard and then BOOM sentience beam and now you have to learn about the concept of religion and family

[vapid pendant]

So..
Whats the conclusion that zote's weapons is made from a pharloom material

[sinful nimbus]

iirc they dislike the citadel for polluting their land

[raven cove]

mfw this happened to almost everyone in HK

[distant briar]

makes sense

[raven cove]

Maybe Wyrm beacons aren’t ethical guys

[naive cargo]

Hollow knight universe is the most tragic character holy...

[whole hawk]

I would be hate eternal too if I lived in Bilewater

[storm whale]

Oh right. Life ender is made of shellwood. Interesting

[sinful nimbus]

shellwood could be a generic term for wood/bark

[foggy fractal]

THK's theme is still one of my favourites its just so good

[storm whale]

Or maybe shellwood is just a generic species of plant

[vapid pendant]

Also OF COURSE we get herra, vespa, white lady but nooooo pale king
Like just one scene where we get his voice
JUST ONE

[raven cove]

Sealed Vessel is great

PK’s theme is also great though

And again they’re closely related

[high bane]

He doesn't seem to have been a very big part of Hornet's life. She was referenced as the daughter of "three queens" but the Pale King had her as a bargaining chip, little more.

[raven cove]

My favorite part of HK’s “ost” has to be the brief melody that plays when sitting on PK’s throne

[distant briar]

I bet in the next game they make they will dive deeper into wyrms

[vapid pendant]

Pale king did get a segment in that dream
Fucking spikes lol

[naive cargo]

please no more wyrms

guys its fine

[sinful nimbus]

please no more hk 🙏

[vapid pendant]

What you mean no more
We dont know shit about them lol

[naive cargo]

thats the fun of it

[distant briar]

a fucking dragon then

[whole hawk]

Lifeblood and Steel DLC first

[sinful nimbus]

Same thing

[distant briar]

dont wyrms evolve into dragons

[sinful nimbus]

they are dragons

[vapid pendant]

Also do we get a name for the being that gives us wings?

[raven cove]

Fay

[sinful nimbus]

began with an f i forgot the rest

[vapid pendant]

Oh
That makes sense.

[still willow]

Fayforn

[high bane]

I find it funny that the Twelth Architect says that Hornet has an affinity for buzzsaws, so it looks like she absorbed exactly one thing from him.

[upper narwhal]

Faydown I think?

[raven cove]

Faydown is the material

[foggy fractal]

my goat the 12th architect

[distant briar]

what is he supposed to be? Sure as hell isn’t a bug… Maybe a pigeon?

[upper narwhal]

Ohh my bad

[vapid pendant]

Also its the only being other than hornet to acknowledge our boy mushroom

[distant briar]

it’s called Faylon

was written somewhere

[vapid pendant]

I mean it does make sounds like one

[high bane]

It's interesting that Mister Mushroom doesn't have to be called up when he's next to the Fay. He's already standing there.

[distant briar]

right?

[raven cove]

Mister Mushroom seems to be talking to it

[blissful harbor]

it’s a mothhhh

[distant briar]

did you just say m…moth?

[raven cove]

Radiance’s long lost twin (or perhaps her physical form!) /j

[foggy fractal]

is sealed vessel the longest sound track in all of hk ss included ?

[vapid pendant]

Actually isnt that the only place he doesnt make talking sounds? Or am I making things up now

[raven cove]

I mean he still has dialogue right

[upper narwhal]

Ohh thx for telling me

[vapid pendant]

Ye but I mean the constant talking sounds he always makes

[distant briar]

Can we talk about Mr Mushroom? Can Mr Mushroom solo a higher being? What the fuck is Mr Mushroom

[blissful harbor]

no but really it’s probably a wooly aphid maybe

[raven cove]

I don’t know if we can classify him as a HB, if you ask me he seems to be something else entirely

[naive cargo]

anyways Im glad those giant big bugs we see are still a mysterious world building stuff

[high bane]

I would consider the Fay a higher being, based on the way it's talked about in the writings below.

[distant briar]

Apparently Mr Mushroom knows when a kingdom will fall or trouble is about to come so he can see the future to some extent and he can fly like a rocket

[blissful harbor]

i could see it

[whole hawk]

Hornet calls him a herald and thats all he needs to be

[naive cargo]

I love how the world was huge as shit

[raven cove]

idk about that

[balmy fractal]

Prob an equivalent to grimm then

[rapid hare]

What are people’s favourite lore reveals

[vapid pendant]

I mean it does give us wings by.. sheer existence so it might be

[storm whale]

Hornet had seggs

[limpid summit]

By what we assume to be a higher being he probably is one but like he’s super meta so most people don’t really call him one

[foggy fractal]

big friend :D and that weird mushroom guy... 🙄

[raven cove]

Hornet liking fluffy things and getting bitches

[whole hawk]

i like that they went ahead with the daughter of three queens lore

[naive cargo]

Weavers arent natural creatures was a nice reveal

[blissful harbor]

ewwww

[balmy fractal]

Yeah the whole red memory sequence was cool

[limpid summit]

I like it when the Red Memory switches to a real time Hornet WL convo

I forget who suggested that theory but it was good

[vapid pendant]

The biggest mystery will be how the fuck does white lady know she is in a dream and knows hornet needs the flower

[raven cove]

WL is a higher being

[limpid summit]

WL is extremely powerful

[storm whale]

Dunno why Herrah's face is blurry in the sequence. Doesn't she remember her face from the various statues in Hallownest?

[blissful harbor]

she’s a god doing god things

[rapid hare]

Roots be op

[raven cove]

She knows these things

[whole hawk]

I also like how thet expanded on how fucked lifeblood is

[raven condor]

Kinda lame that there is no underworks boss in my op

[limpid summit]

She avoids Godseekers easily even while bound

[willow niche]

Silksong is making me rethink parts of hollow knight.. one thing in particular is how much more skilled is hornet at her needle in comparison to the knight and it's nail?

[distant briar]

The coolest moment is skong for me was probably the abyss ascend… It wasn’t the hardest but by far the coolest jump and run segment of both games imo

[raven cove]

She was able to detect the Dream Nail and evade the Godseekers

[spark valve]

not

[raven cove]

She also knew about the Delicate Flower in HK

[limpid summit]

I always felt like it was like

[blissful harbor]

hornet definitely has more finesse, but i think TK would still beat her unfortunately

[upper narwhal]

She kinda aware when she got dream nailed in HK

[vapid pendant]

That line about the knight not knowing what they are holding had different meaning now lol

[limpid summit]

That was her mother’s face and not the Dreamer mask but she doesn’t remember it well since all she’s seen around Hallownest was the latter

[rapid hare]

What does the comment about lifeblood and the infection being similar imply? Also it makes sense why the Pale King was extremely against it

[willow niche]

I'm pretty sure hornet is more skilled, the knight doesn't really have anything under it's belt at the start of the game, no prior training at all. The knight might not lose, but I think hornet is more skilled overall

[willow niche]

Yeah

[balmy fractal]

I like the implication that most "Species" of bug has a higher being, with the reveal in lost verdania of another "Pale" being

[limpid summit]

Hornet is more skilled until like

[spark valve]

the knight has lifetimes of combat experience

[raven cove]

the pale king wasn’t extremely against it is the thing

[spark valve]

this implication does not exist

[willow niche]

It does? How?

[whole hawk]

Only thing I'm a bit iffy on os how hightech the weavers were, seemed more like a rule of cool inclusion but it was pretty cool so I give it a pass

[limpid summit]

Nailmasters > Hornet in weapon skill alone

[rapid hare]

Wasn’t it banned?

[limpid summit]

At least Sly

[distant briar]

you mean the stag?

[raven cove]

Hallownest was also very high tech

[willow niche]

Well sly is like the gojo of hallownest bro that's not a fair comparison

[balmy fractal]

yeah

[limpid summit]

I love HK scaling I love HK scaling

[raven cove]

Weaver shit is cool but not that much more impressive than HK shit

[severe siren]

Thats just referencing ||palestag||

[limpid summit]

Sly is more like the Rayleigh

[blissful harbor]

income PK glazers

[spark valve]

not only is the palestag we see not remotely on the level of being a god, it's called into question whether that even existed

[distant briar]

I mean they have lasers and can teleport and tried mimicking divinity and kinda succeeded

[spark valve]

lasers and teleportation are pedestrian as soul magic goes

[naive cargo]

Hallownest had magic golems

I say thats neat and cooler

[limpid summit]

Kingsmoulds are way more high tech than anything that comes out of Pharloom

Sorry Choirbros PK wins again

[spark valve]

cogwork dancers are also magic

[severe siren]

I love that hornet calls her own father a fool

[distant briar]

yeah but that wasn‘t a soul magic laser from those automatons or was it?

[vapid pendant]

Honestly if pale king didnt kill like an entire abyss of children..
He was a good king

[balmy fractal]

I think the tech levels of both kingdoms can be explain in the hallownest was just dead for much longer while pharloom is actively dying during the game

[raven condor]

Is there a boss in the underworks?

[distant briar]

If you wouldnt count the casual genocide he was a great king

[edgy stone]

I do wonder how much horbet actually knew the pale king

[raven cove]

Him going ahead with the Vessel Project is in fact one of the main reasons why he was good

[whole hawk]

Pale King actually knew how to semi-control void so he definitely MOGS everyone in Pharloom. No one there ever had to deal with aa perpetually seething moth god

[spark valve]

technically

[sinful nimbus]

PK did no genocide

[spark valve]

well technically 3

[raven condor]

How so?

[raven cove]

It wasn’t- fuck it I’m not doing this again

[spark valve]

unraveled, seth, nyleth

[whole hawk]

Unraveled is in Whiteward

[edgy stone]

With the white lady actually being in hornets life and hornet being in the pale kings castle I wonder if they ever even met

[spark valve]

it's technically in underworks just accessed through whiteward

[severe siren]

Seth and nyleth are not underworks at all lmao
Even the access point is choral chambers

[foggy fractal]

I thought both Seth and Nyleth were technically Shellwood ?

[severe siren]

Yes

[vapid pendant]

Also whats up with whiteward
Who decided its a good idea to create such abominations

[raven condor]

Isn’t that whiteward, shellwood, shellwood?

[severe siren]

Shellwood gotta stop having stacked bosses fr

[naive cargo]

Shellwood my goat

[severe siren]

Cool ones in general

[spark valve]

sister splinter is mid

[foggy fractal]

Shellwood theme is also great

[severe siren]

Splinter is cool, wish it did more

But still cool

[storm whale]

The only thing I hate in Shellwood is the elevator. It always catches me when I run through the ground section

[raven condor]

What more do you want, it has multiple phases lol

[severe siren]

Sandwiched between moorwing and widow it could probably use another attack imo tbh

[foggy fractal]

who is Sister Splinter a sister to ?

[vapid pendant]

All the amazing bosses and we didnt get a rematch against a harder 4th chorus
0/10 game

[spark valve]

that fight already has more than enough to keep track of

[raven condor]

Nature.

[foggy fractal]

🤔

[severe siren]

Idk its just imo

[blissful harbor]

nyleth

[severe siren]

Im not a gamedev i just think splinter has a cool design

[cloud plover]

i agree i found it really simple

[severe siren]

I wish it did more

Not much more

[supple flax]

thematically skarrsinger is my fav boss hands down but idk what my fav boss is gameplay wise

[whole hawk]

Sister Splinter would have definitely been cooler if they leaned into the camo aspect of her being a leafbug

[edgy stone]

I wish it had another 3 phases and an instant kill beam attack

[balmy fractal]

could of done some stuff like the coral guy, attacking more with the thorns

[severe siren]

Its genuinely impossible to pick a favorite

[blissful harbor]

my favorite boss is definitely the cogwork dancers

[whole hawk]

even if it just meant her stalking you a bit in shellwood

[spark valve]

first sinner ez

[vapid pendant]

First sinner for the win

[blissful harbor]

unmatched, widow is close second

[sinful nimbus]

They're gay so of course

[balmy fractal]

my fav boss was first sinner

[edgy stone]

First sinner for me as well but I love cogwork

[naive cargo]

First sinner is so insane

[raven condor]

Cogwork dancers, or phantom for me

[limpid summit]

Widow was peak I lowkey liked lugoli

[naive cargo]

WTF PURE VESSEL ATTACK

[blissful harbor]

phantom was also very good

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom went hard

[limpid summit]

Hot take

[blissful harbor]

the ending for phantom was peak

[severe siren]

I love sinner but for some reason im still hesitant on calling it favorite cause theres so many cool fights

[sinful nimbus]

Lugoli gameplay:

[balmy fractal]

phantom is a close second fav

[raven condor]

It’s soooo hard to land a hit on lol

[edgy stone]

I think lace runs away too much but shes also a really good fight

[severe siren]

Grapple against sinner goes hard

[vapid pendant]

Guys the choral king is the best boss what are you talking about

[edgy stone]

I love her parry because her parry is worse for lace than it is for you

[foggy fractal]

😭 lugoli knew they were cooked they ran

[spark valve]

fun, fair, 1 mask contact damage

[edgy stone]

Lace parry is a free hit

[severe siren]

Crust king has an awesome flow to him but he’s not hard

[foggy fractal]

yeah First Sinner is also really fun

[edgy stone]

Jump and dash into her and it never lands

[raven condor]

Seth low key did ball tho ngl

[foggy fractal]

his name is Khann !!!!!!

[cloud plover]

why do the snail shaman dissapear/die after putting hornet into the red memory

[raven condor]

Skill issue

[vapid pendant]

Nonono
The 3 bosses are karmela, nyla and coral

[edgy stone]

Is there a name for the white flowers in pharloom

I thought those were gonna be the everblooms but they're not

[whole hawk]

If he didnt have a dogshit runback and had a gauntlet, Groal was pretty cool. I love when the traps and the bilewater bugs get integrated into his fight.

[raven condor]

Everbloom

[upper narwhal]

Literally happened to me when I used silk pull at the same time he shouts

[raven condor]

Ohhhh nvm

[balmy fractal]

it does seem like snails in HK have a tendency to just die while doing their thing

[severe siren]

Im one of the only people on earth that like groal
I dont excuse the runback or bilewater or enemy waves beforehand or the double mask contact damage though

[vapid pendant]

All my homies hate groal

[edgy stone]

I fucking hated groal

[spark valve]

just don't do groal early

[edgy stone]

I spent 5 minutes running back to it and an enemy glittched and became immortal

[cloud plover]

nah groal was lowkey the worst fight across both games

[spark valve]

I did it post rune rage it was eazy as fuck

[edgy stone]

Fuck groal dumb fuck

[worthy cairn]

HOLY SHIT WINDOW YOU'RE BACK

[balmy fractal]

i beat graol when i gave up on avoiding his swallow attack and just used it for free damage

[foggy fractal]

oh my bad

[sinful nimbus]

I first tried groal

[vapid pendant]

But hey
Horrible boss BUT
Can we talk how he used a fucking wengefull spirit???

[sinful nimbus]

Fun fight tbh

[naive cargo]

only for a short time

[cloud plover]

no you didn’t

[raven condor]

Beat groal on like try 5. Did in fact hate fighting the waves in front. Without wanderers crest mad pogo skills I don’t know if I could have done it

[worthy cairn]

Oh hey! I just beat groal today!

[foggy fractal]

do we think polip pouch is worth

[naive cargo]

until TC annouce a Steel Dlc

[balmy fractal]

well he had a snail soul with him so of coarse he could use thier magic

[edgy stone]

That entire area is just the worst in both games

[naive cargo]

which could be forever

[edgy stone]

Hollow knight didnt have anything nearly as bad

[severe siren]

I heard talk steel soul has an exclusive questline is this true

[balmy fractal]

it does

[naive cargo]

yes

[edgy stone]

Yeah

[vapid pendant]

Ye

[severe siren]

Awesome

[sinful nimbus]

Ewww

[balmy fractal]

and a boss

[storm whale]

Yep. He's definitely dabbling on soul shenanigans like his cousins in the soul sanctum.

[severe siren]

Awesomer

I wonder if that gives an additional %

[whole hawk]

Is the new stuff in steelsoul act 2?

[raven condor]

Journal even references that

[severe siren]

To get a hypothetical 101%

[edgy stone]

I wish the whiteward area was larger

[balmy fractal]

i know you have to go to high halls for it so yeah prob

[foggy fractal]

hollow knight is also just easier in general ?
like how much content in hk does 2 masks ? like 5% to 10% maybe ?
in silksong its like 80% of the content can do 2 masks
theres also two moves that does 3 masks in silksong

[edgy stone]

Its one of the cooler creepier areas

[whole hawk]

Neat.

[vapid pendant]

If you dont fight when groal eats you, you get 4 dmg

[molten oak]

||guys, quick question, is silksong directly a sequel of Hk or a prequel?||

[severe siren]

I had a very scuffed speedrun and i still won in 2h 4m btw, like 6-7 deaths

Speedrun potential is insane

[edgy stone]

Rip off half life barnacles do as well

[vapid pendant]

Now do true ending speedrun

[balmy fractal]

pretty sure one of|| Lost Laces|| attacks does 4 masks

[severe siren]

😭

[sinful nimbus]

I feel true ending speedruns might suck

With the requirements and all

[light summit]

annoying ass boss

[foggy fractal]

thank god I never let him eat me wtf

[severe siren]

Isnt the prereq % based
That will blow ass

[whole hawk]

Gonna need a lot of quest and flea pathing

[spark valve]

because true ending requirements blow ass

[edgy stone]

I doubt people will do true ending outside of 100% speedrun

[foggy fractal]

also can you throw a pimpillo and get groal to eat it or did they not think of this interaction and just have it explode as normal

[light summit]

i need tips for groal i first fought him today and the climb up bilewater is so fcking gruesome

[balmy fractal]

spam tools at him

[supple flax]

i cannot imagine trying to speedrun 100% im at like 82% and the last bits dont feel smooth

[vapid pendant]

This sounds like tboi interaction

[sinful nimbus]

Get the bench nearby him

[spark valve]

don't use that bench use the one by huntress

[cloud plover]

cheese him in water if you feel like it

[light summit]

where??

[spark valve]

idk why people make bilehaven harder for themselves there is a bench right there

[balmy fractal]

i used silkshot exclusivly on him an beat him within 40 secs

[light summit]

i tried to look but the only one i know is the bellway one at the bottom of bilewater

[edgy stone]

Which silkshot is best

[vapid pendant]

I love me 2 benches for the THIRD BIGGEST AREA

[edgy stone]

I did the weaver one

[light summit]

WHERE

[foggy fractal]

I know a guy who has like 3k hours on issac apparently
prob less I gotta check again

[balmy fractal]

i like the original one best

[spark valve]

climb up out of bilewater into putrified ducts

[limpid summit]

Say that again

[sinful nimbus]

Bro think's he's fighting king dodongo 😭

[spark valve]

there's a bench like two rooms away from bilehaven

[vapid pendant]

dont

[light summit]

ill try looking thanks for the help

[whole hawk]

Is the Groal fight accessible from Putrified?

[cloud plover]

this is not accessible until you beat groal

[severe siren]

no i wont

[cloud plover]

wait nevermind

[gleaming minnow]

im already seeing mfers online try and say 'lace isn't a child' when it's a direct statement from the game that she's a child mentally this fandom is a prison

[light summit]

god damn it

[cloud plover]

it might be if you don’t go through bilewater

[light summit]

dont look at hk tiktok comments they are far worse than what youve seen so far

[quartz plinth]

When i was playing hollow knight, i was really wondering what the hollow knight meant, and i saw that the final boss was called the Radiance, and thats when i realized i should have ||Seen it coming that Silksong's final boss would be Silk, And we had to Song a Song to her|| bravo Vince.

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/geto-suguru-suguru-geto-geto-stare-jjk-season-2-gif-7483518399201532097

[vapid pendant]

A child made from void fighting us?
Welcome back hollow knight

[foggy fractal]

how many deaths...

[balmy fractal]

ther is a bench closer to bilehaven but you are almost guarantied to get the debuff from the water on the runback

[gleaming minnow]

okay real quick question what the fuck actually is Phantom

[severe siren]

Shakra calls hornet “child wielding needle” despite shakra life being a mere fraction of hornet’s life which is addressed lmao

[quartz plinth]

So we all agree that vile water is the best area in the game right

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom isn't necessarily a child

[spark valve]

same creature as lace just old

[foggy fractal]

did y'all see that video of 1 minute lost lace

[gleaming minnow]

tbf Hornet is much shorter than Shakra

[whole hawk]

Bilewater is great just because of how memorable its even for all the wrong reasons

[supple flax]

most bugs are shorter than shakra

[gleaming minnow]

lost lace made me happy we fought the PURE vessel and not the shade vessel or smth

[quartz plinth]

Actually Shakra is just so much taller than Everyone else

[balmy fractal]

Shakra is just abusing her tall privledge to call people children

[gleaming minnow]

imagine pure vessel with fucking void magic

[sinful nimbus]

😭

[vapid pendant]

Only one being a good reason, the music

[severe siren]

Im disappointed in the lack of a giant spider boss. TC please delist the game from steam and get to work on corrections

[gleaming minnow]

bilewater is the modern day blighttown when you think about it

[vapid pendant]

Like half the game is just spiders and spiders

[gleaming minnow]

my favourite part about bilewater is how there's like 0 mask shards or spool threads

[whole hawk]

Worse than blighttown

[storm whale]

Love how she still called Hornet a child even after hornet corrected her. And hornet is most likely older than her lol

[severe siren]

I think we need more

[sinful nimbus]

All the giant bosses sucked I don't trust them to cook

[gleaming minnow]

once you finish her quest she calls her Hornet Wielding Needle which is cool

[whole hawk]

Dont let Miyazaki use maggotwater for his next game

[sinful nimbus]

who actually likes father of the flame

[supple flax]

fourth choir was pretty good

[gleaming minnow]

i think he was fun

[sinful nimbus]

No you don't

[severe siren]

On EVERYONES souls we ALL love father of the flame

[balmy fractal]

I mean i kinda want a Shade Lord fight now that we now how the void fights

[gleaming minnow]

4th chorus was good

[naive cargo]

Miyazaki already used maggots mechanics before no?

[gleaming minnow]

when they release the godhome dlc they should let us fight the lord of shades/The Knight as a bonus

[spark valve]

yes they suck

[light summit]

made of silk just like ||lace||

[foggy fractal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g41sw_rTnm0&ab_channel=RingGamingg electrified rune rage, pimpillo and cogflies... is this the method...

[light summit]

what do i gain from beating groal the great? any benefits at all?

[sinful nimbus]

Shade Lord fight would make no sense in the lore but when has that stopped TC

[severe siren]

Istg TC is gonna pull some shenanigans in the endgame boss content update with the ultimate Symphony of Pharloom boss rush with new bosses being from Hornet’s memories - Herrah, Vespa, White Lady, Knight/Shade Lord or some bullshit

[supple flax]

silksong godhome needs shakra, sherma the unforgiving, and uber groal

[foggy fractal]

like this has to have had dmg tweaked right... right...

[whole hawk]

The best paft about Act 3 is that we now have a non-zero chance of getting a proper DLC duel with the Knight

[vapid pendant]

That you never have to fight him again

[gleaming minnow]

i'd kill for a shakra fight tbh

[balmy fractal]

Would be sick as heck

[naive cargo]

Im gonna go insane

[foggy fractal]

nah pls

[gleaming minnow]

actually you can duel her right i havent gone and done that yetr

[sinful nimbus]

oh is the final boss lace

[balmy fractal]

a vespa fight would go hard

[severe siren]

To clarify i do not vouch for this

Minus vespa she is cool

[sinful nimbus]

That's nice I wish that was how the regular ending played out tbh

[gleaming minnow]

you go into hornet's memories n the knight fight is the hornet sentinel fight at kingdom's edge

[spark valve]

pimpillos do more damage than I thought wow

[gleaming minnow]

[naive cargo]

final boss being a duel between two nobodies is peak

[supple flax]

quirrel fight will be real

[balmy fractal]

i do also want to see what the absrad equivilant of GMS will be

[severe siren]

How do i tell you

[vapid pendant]

I just want a Seth rematch where he is just having fun doing a duel with us

[spark valve]

I kinda want to try that actually

[naive cargo]

Pissed off people with that comment hehe

[gleaming minnow]

i know you can fight her im stupid

lowkey my favourite act 2 fight was cogwork dancers

very good gimmick

[foggy fractal]

what if venom plus cogflies plus plimpillo with maxed out tool kit.

https://tenor.com/view/soccer-football-anime-blue-lock-isagi-yoichi-gif-27440248

[quartz plinth]

You guys think that we are going to see Herrah again in silksong?

[balmy fractal]

Nah Shaman crest with Voltaic Filament and just spam the skill of your choice

[gleaming minnow]

how do we tell them

[severe siren]

This chat is not immune to spoilers btw

[vapid pendant]

Nah.
We got enough of her already

[severe siren]

Be careful

[gleaming minnow]

this is specifically the 'okay you've beaten the game now time for the real discussion'

[quartz plinth]

No we haven't

[gleaming minnow]

ngl i think my favourite part of the true ending was when ||the shades|| showed up but thats for a secondary reason than just 'oh hey it's them'

[whole hawk]

Does Silksong answer what tbe Deepnest device is by the way? Just weaver tech?

[severe siren]

Oh yeah the fucking trilobite

[balmy fractal]

prob a DLC thing

[vapid pendant]

Also like
Why are weavers suddenly Linked with the color red
Never before they were anywhere close to red

[balmy fractal]

for silksong that is

[quartz plinth]

We need a 20 minute scene where Herrah manifests in front of hornet akd she says

"Hornet hollow knight Silksong, i am proud of you, you truly will be a Hollow knight of the Silk, and you will song, peak cinema" it would be peak cinema

[severe siren]

Their cloaks were red even in base hk iirc

[foggy fractal]

baby hornet is real !!!

[vapid pendant]

Absolute cinema

[quartz plinth]

This is true

[gleaming minnow]

i think it's because of the ||memory segment including the white palace but not showing the pale king + the weaver stuff, i think it's meant to be like symbolizing how the vessels/shades still view Hornet as family even if she doesn't and it's a really sweet scene||

[vapid pendant]

Really? Weren't they all just naked dead on the floor

[north karma]

Is it not just because the pale king was never really a part of her life

[severe siren]

When leaving weaver den there’s an alive one that stalks you then immediately runs away

[spark valve]

there are also the little weavers which are, in fact, weavers

[gleaming minnow]

yes but that ties into the thing with the family aspect

[severe siren]

Very quickly its almost missable

[vapid pendant]

I know but that one also wasnt wearing red i think

[gleaming minnow]

the fact she knows what the white palace looks like implies she went there and he ignored her

[spark valve]

it was

[severe siren]

It was wearing red

[vapid pendant]

Oh
Nevermind then

[balmy fractal]

was just hornet with a different mask obviously

[foggy fractal]

yeah just not as bright of a red as in ss
ss increased the saturation of everything

[whole hawk]

Best lore reveal in Silksong though is the end of the Mister Mushroom quest. Genuinely surprised by that sequence.

[vapid pendant]

All she remembers of him is spikes and buzzsaws 💔

[gleaming minnow]

to be fair, the ones we see in HK are centuries old

[whole hawk]

for his final area

[gleaming minnow]

'father, why wont you talk to me?'
'bzzzzzzzzzzzz [hit sound]'

during cogwork core i had path of pain flashbacks

[spark valve]

no hk actually is just desaturated relative to ss apparently, hornet's cloak even matches its hk colors during act 3 while gms is screaming and shit gets its color drained

[whole hawk]

A great little final subversion from Team Cherry after spending all game trsating the Cradle as the peak

[tough plinth]

With as little spoilers as possible, Is Hornet void? bcz I thought it was established in HK that she wasnt, but when you break a death cacoon it looks like theres a shade like thing in it

[gleaming minnow]

no, hornet is not void

she has never been void
that black stuff is her body/shell

[tough plinth]

Ok I thought so and was honestly gonna be really confused if it was void

[gleaming minnow]

you can also see this same effect with grey prince zote lmao

[sinful nimbus]

GPZ is a strange example because the joke is that he looks similar to vessels and their void

Snail Shamans got it though

[vapid pendant]

Black liquid stuff = void
Black solid stuff = skin? Shell? Idk

[novel eagle]

So like
The radiance/Silk Mother/Void
All evil?

[supple flax]

it just occured to me
is the surface on top of the citadel the true surface or is it still underground

[whole hawk]

I almost felt bad for the snail shamans in HK but SS made me realize that they had it coming. Same with Lifeblood.Print out a new Pale King apology form.

[novel eagle]

still underground

[novel eagle]

context?

[gleaming minnow]

HK Endings:
Hollow Knight
Sealed Siblings
Dream No More
Embrace The Void
Silksong Endings:
Weaver Queen
Twisted Child
Snared Silk
Sister of the Void

[novel eagle]

Snared silk isnt an ending bro

[gleaming minnow]

it's literally an ending it counts as beating the game lol

[balmy fractal]

the lifeblood thing has some fun implications as well

[supple flax]

i legit forgot what happened to hk's snails haman

[raven cove]

PK didn’t do anything bad to the Snail Shamans and also didn’t outlaw Lifeblood

[novel eagle]

it literally unlocks act 3 so liek what
i thoguth ending was supposed to yknow END the game?

[gleaming minnow]

Lifeblood is a taboo in HK btw

[cloud plover]

but it will give you the achievement

[gleaming minnow]

yes but snared silk still counts as a 'beat the game' ending and unlocks steel soul

[novel eagle]

it really shouldnt be considered an ending..

[gleaming minnow]

act 3 is meant to be a 'wait what the fuck' when you come back in

[sinful nimbus]

Retconning random details for no reason is a taboo but it isn't illegal

Same with lifeblood

[vapid pendant]

Silk is an infection, void is an infection, light is an infection, lifeblood is an infection
Is there any infection i should know about!?

[gleaming minnow]

if you didnt know act 3 existed
imagine logging off after getting SS

coming back to your save
and it's wrapped in void

to someone who doesnt know act 3 exists, SS is a bad ending

[storm whale]

Has silksong retconned anything from hollow knight so far?

[whole hawk]

You should be glad Team Cherry didnt add a mushroom cordycep infection yet

[gleaming minnow]

i think only slightly

[novel eagle]

An ending is completely removed

[gleaming minnow]

there's 1 line in dialogue from the crossroads shaman once you get abyssal shreik about them not dabbling in the void but thats retconned by HK itself

[spark valve]

A much of shit

[vapid pendant]

Two endings actually

[sinful nimbus]

3 queens is canon
Herrah is a weaver
Apparently THK/SS endings aren't canon anymore but I haven't verified that for myself

[gleaming minnow]

sealed siblings would never be canon

[spark valve]

It is not remotely contradicted in HK

[novel eagle]

yeah but like "all endings are canon" they lied to us
I demand zoteboat

[gleaming minnow]

okay can someone explain 3 queens to me because i've been out of the loop

[novel eagle]

give us the 3rd game

[whole hawk]

Bad ends are never canon tbh

[gleaming minnow]

all endings ARE canon
only Dream No More is canon to Silk Song

[novel eagle]

basically she (hornet) had 3 mothers
herrah the tree woman and the mentor

[gleaming minnow]

herrah, vespa, white lady

[limpid summit]

In pre HK development TC intended for Hornet to be birthed by Herrah raised by WL trained by Vespa

[whole hawk]

Unless explicitly treated as

[novel eagle]

HOW does that even wrok

[vapid pendant]

I wonder how the person that kept saying sealed siblings will still be a Cannon ending feels now

[spark valve]

Snail shamans using void
Hive being renowned for their steelwork

[limpid summit]

They couldn’t find a way to make Vespa work in the main game but they retconned it in SS

[gleaming minnow]

all the endings are 'canon' to hollow knight as a game

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet was birthed by Herrah, raised by White Lady, trained by Vespa. This doesn't make sense with Midwife's dialogue about Hornet living in Deepnest and our knowledge that the hive was isolationist but whatever they made it canon

[gleaming minnow]

but only Dream No More is canon to SilkSong

[novel eagle]

are you saying they cause alternate timelines and we're only seeing the one after dream no more

[sinful nimbus]

Snail Shamans using void is crazy what

[spark valve]

Making sense is overrated apparently

[sinful nimbus]

Review bomb SS

[gleaming minnow]

yes thats how 'all endings are canon' works

[vapid pendant]

Hornet did live in the deepnest.. for a time

[spark valve]

Fucking play the game

[balmy fractal]

nah embrace the void is the "canon" one

[novel eagle]

ok but like how did lifeblood and shamans have "It" coming? context please.

[sinful nimbus]

Listen I have this weird inclination to not play games after dark

[gleaming minnow]

embrace the void can't be canon because we see the dream no more knight in the true ending

[whole hawk]

Three queen lore was always cooler anyway

[sinful nimbus]

?

[gleaming minnow]

not the god of gods

[novel eagle]

Three kings lore when

[whole hawk]

they shluld just go back and update HK and change some of midwifes dialogue about that

[spark valve]

SS’s ending is ambiguous between dnm and etv

[balmy fractal]

we see the god of god for a moment in the final cutscene

[whole hawk]

like unironically

[sinful nimbus]

No it wasn't. The hive doesn't use steel at all and Vespa would not be ideal for training Hornet in the use of a weapon specialized for SILK

[gleaming minnow]

i'd argue DNM just makes more sense

[novel eagle]

like hwo did they deserve what happened to their race
What were they doin that warranted such actions

[gleaming minnow]

mostly because ETV fucking sucks thematically

[spark valve]

And yet the clear intent is ambiguity even if EtV is pure unfettered ass

[sinful nimbus]

who's alt is this

[spark valve]

Which to be clear it does etv is a terrible ending

[novel eagle]

anyone else feel like silk mother didnt use that much power attacking us

[gleaming minnow]

not an alt this is my dogshit opinion but ETV as an ending sucks

[limpid summit]

Wouldn’t be born without the King of Deepnest dying, ignored by Pale King, protects King’s Brand

[sinful nimbus]

No you're right

[cloud plover]

is etv the godhome ending

[gleaming minnow]

silk mother feels like they took 2 radiance attacks and made that her entire attack pattern

[limpid summit]

Yes

[sinful nimbus]

Silk mother sucks on god

[spark valve]

Everyone hates etv who has actually thought about it from a narrative or thematic perspective

[novel eagle]

she has 3 attacks in total

[gleaming minnow]

actually wait how many
attacks does silk have

[naive cargo]

Sigh…. Trilobite lore…..

[gleaming minnow]

claw swipe, web line slices, the pins and then she summons spikes

[spark valve]

What, four?

[supple flax]

falling rocks

[spark valve]

I guess also the falling rubble

[novel eagle]

the one with claws and making all scissors go down
the one with strings summoning
The one with u know putting down then sideways scissors

[sinful nimbus]

TC copy pasting the lore of the infection and Radiance's attacks and naming the big bad "John Silk" and calling it a day

[gleaming minnow]

can we get like Absolute Grand Mother Silk in the dlc

[vapid pendant]

Team cherry made sure to make peak bosses but forgot to make the actual two final bosses hard/cinematic

[quartz plinth]

No??????

[spark valve]

Lace 3 is plenty hard

[gleaming minnow]

lost lace is hard lmao

[whole hawk]

Lace is great

[quartz plinth]

I think Grand mother silk is a great boss

[supple flax]

granddma silk is supposed to not be that hard like le hollow knight

[spark valve]

Grand mother silk is a blast hard and fun are different things

[gleaming minnow]

oh yeah fun fact if you use the Parry on the left side of lost lace's arena and the attack finishes on the left
uh
you clip through the wall

[sinful nimbus]

THK had more attacks pretty sure

[quartz plinth]

"It has few attacks" but it keeps you on your toes, and ti be fair, Radiance also had like 3 attacks

[gleaming minnow]

and lace jumps back and loses aggro off you
meaning you get softlocked

[naive cargo]

don’t slander my goat trope of last boss is easy but it’s narrative is quite compelling

[gleaming minnow]

Radiance requires usage of the shade dodge to actually avoid her beams

[sinful nimbus]

"compelling" narrative 😭

[naive cargo]

Just don’t mention how Silk has a bit of narrative critiques

[gleaming minnow]

two nobodies fighting over n- [gets shot]

[naive cargo]

DONT STAR

[quartz plinth]

And?

[balmy fractal]

TBF there is a fight like that in SS

[supple flax]

radiance has at least 4
summon fire orb
light pillar
laser shot
summon swords
summon spikes if that counts

[gleaming minnow]

621 vs Walter during Liberator of Rubicon

[sinful nimbus]

Radiance is quite a lot funner and she also came first

[supple flax]

not to mention stage changes between phases

[gleaming minnow]

the differrence is radiance is actually somewhat difficult still

[vapid pendant]

Ya'll im not saying lost lace is a bad fight
What I mean it doesnt feel like a final boss
When i fought radiance i knew it was the final fight
With lace i was like "I wonder who will be the main boss after her"

[gleaming minnow]

now if i was TC i'd have lace 2 lead directly into GMs

[cloud plover]

same here

[gleaming minnow]

can people who have been researching SS for longer than me tell me about what the dlc will probably ber

[cloud plover]

i was actually under the impression there was another fight after that and when the cutscene hit i was pissed

[balmy fractal]

Might get expanded upon with whatever DLC TC are planning

[gleaming minnow]

whats up with the trilobite/crab stuff

[balmy fractal]

i thought LL was pretty good

[quartz plinth]

Saying that mother silk isn't challenging is just lying, GMS is pretty hard if you don't have reflexes, the attacks are easy to avoid yes, but that doesn't mean it's an easy fight, you have to bassically keep up the pace with her all the fight or you'll get eventually overwelmed

[gleaming minnow]

to be entirely fair
i spent the 2 weeks after ss date reveal playing hollow knight non-stop along with most of the difficulty/boss gauntlet mods like pale court so i was locked in

[cloud plover]

as a fight i think it was great, final boss i wasn’t feeling it as much, loved the ending though so i couldn’t be too mad lol

[gleaming minnow]

also seeing the general reaction to the pogoing is funny bc i find SS Pogo easy because you only need to til downwards 45 degrees rather than holding downwards

hollow knight long pogo chains fucking suck

[quartz plinth]

Bro that was everyone before silksong released, of course we wouldm't have much trouble, i beat Gms in my second attempt, but that doesm't mean the boss is easy, it means we just happened to be good, for causal players the fight will be very challemging but it is regardless a fun battle

[balmy fractal]

nah the pogoing feels freaking great once it clicks

[raven cove]

Yes a taboo it wasnt outlawed by the divine decree of a literal deityv

[supple flax]

i didn't play HK again in preparation of SK
i feel like the act 3 bosses apart from lost lace and skarrsinger weren't very hard idk if it's bc they're ez or bc i've gotten in the groove

[gleaming minnow]

around like mid act 2 i was in the 'i think i miss my shade cloak' stage

[cloud plover]

they weren’t to be honest

[gleaming minnow]

i hate how the shaman crest for 3 spell slots is literal end of game stuff

[cloud plover]

coral king was such a disappointment for me

carmelita was a banger though

[spark valve]

coral king and nyleth are pretty easy

[raven cove]

https://youtu.be/E7AmT_p8Pcc?si=8N5PFeC2OMwf2OhF

[gleaming minnow]

coral king was fun with parry

yeah he's really simple but it's fun to parry chain

[balmy fractal]

karmelita was fun as heck but she was also the boss i died to the most out of my playthrough

[severe siren]

Has any dataminer discovered what was intended to be to the left of bonegrave but got axed/is planned for a later update

[supple flax]

watcher of the edge was disappointing
and gurr was annoying as hell but the fight ended quick

[vapid pendant]

Coral king was held back because for some reason tc decided to make it a gauntlet so he couldnt be very hard.
If he was a solo boss he would be an amazing fight for sure

[balmy fractal]

gauntle was fun thought

[severe siren]

Isnt there a shortcut you destroy that leads to his boss arena? Or does that not save if you die to him and come back

[cloud plover]

yea gauntlet was fun which is why he was so disappointing

[vapid pendant]

No clue because i did him first try

[whole hawk]

Coral King still had amazing flow once he ramped up, wish that lhase lasted longer

[severe siren]

Same thats why im asking lmao

Coral king is fun af though

[quartz plinth]

Was carmelita removed from the game? How do you fight her?

[cloud plover]

coral king was fun beating him first try let me down though

[whole hawk]

All I'm saying is that the Godmaster/Hall of Gods equicalent for this game is going to be goated

[balmy fractal]

though my biggest complaint is that the green heart momento is so freaking loud in the bellhome

[cloud plover]

after karmelita i thought all the act 3 bosses would be super tough

[severe siren]

I think a lot of bosses will be upped in enjoyment when a boss refight mode is added, like for example fighting groal without the other complaints

[whole hawk]

So so so many fun bosses I want to refight with different crests

[foggy fractal]

I think there is a big spike you can hit that falls and opens up a way to the last short section before his boss
it wouldn't make sense for it to dissapear imo if you die but I didn't die so I wouldn't know

[vapid pendant]

That fucking frog that i hate

[cloud plover]

for sure

[foggy fractal]

wait a week and we'll get boss refights trust

[balmy fractal]

the pinmaster fight was also pretty dissapointing

[cloud plover]

i almost wish godhome just came out with the base game

[foggy fractal]

I wanna see how fast I can melt bosses with my 100% file

try some tool combinations

[severe siren]

I forgot that even existed 🥀
I got there with two masks cause im an idiot and i still endured

[foggy fractal]

and fight lost lace
the true worst run back

[balmy fractal]

she just felt like a gimmick fight, not like a supposed sword master

[prime pebble]

what's currently the main story lore? why does lace hate hornet?

[vapid pendant]

Oh boy

[severe siren]

Because grandmother silk wants hornet over her or something

[foggy fractal]

one charged attack
one normal attack where she attacks from the air and then ground
and then a bunch of just throwing shit at you in the air

[quartz plinth]

So i gotta ask since everyone here has finished the game, was the wait worth it, is Silksong a good game? Is it good to enjoy it?

[cloud plover]

so much of the lore is very vague or just missing right now

[balmy fractal]

i know she shouldnt be like sly or anything but i just wanted something a bit more serious yk

[rare axle]

and @spark valve

that video is modded to hell and back with who knows how high of a dmg multiplier.

heres me landing all 6 pimpillo and it doesnt even start phase 2, yet this guy entered phase 2 with 3

[severe siren]

I think its awesome but i think a couple of patches will elevate it higher

[spark valve]

well she thinks that and/or is jealous of her for being more real

[whole hawk]

Silksong is an alltimer and my current GOTY.

[rare axle]

er i forgot to reply to the vid

[severe siren]

Yeah its not a confirmed thing or anything its just what lace feels

[balmy fractal]

oh yeha one of my top ten games of all time for sure

[spark valve]

yeah I tried it once or twice before realizing it was probably not real

[foggy fractal]

yeah I thought the dmg was tweaked

thank u for confirming

cogflies are still goated though
not sure about pimpillo

[rare axle]

cogflies are OP for sure

[balmy fractal]

fave tool is still hornet silkshot

[prime pebble]

I'm surprised the final fight isnt dark gm silk or some super secret boss

[vapid pendant]

If they make a 4th lace fight in the godhome-like dlc im gonna flip
We dont need more of that child

[balmy fractal]

hits like a truck

[severe siren]

Pimpillos are funny to throw into bilewater water and sandcarvers

[rare axle]

also landing those pimpillos was actually pretty difficult

[severe siren]

Satisfying, fuck those environmental hazards even if you cant get rid of em

[foggy fractal]

yeah lost lace jumps and ducks into the void a lot

[spark valve]

worst part of the fight

[severe siren]

Lowkey though can we think about how terrifying it would be if you were travelling in the HK wastes and theres potential for an entire desert’s sand to contain more deadly worms than sand and its just all hidden

[vapid pendant]

Tribbio at least shows where he will come out of the ground
Lost lace can just appear in you without any warning for some free 2 hits of hp

[cloud plover]

i didn’t have this experience at all, i thought she was very well telegraphed

[foggy fractal]

I feel like they did it so that Hornet doesn't melt bosses with the thorns that make you deal more dmg but take double damange and wanderers which is basically quick slash

[spark valve]

I have visual processing issues like a solid 25% of the time lace 3 is practically invisible for me 💀

[severe siren]

TC just went “need more black”

[vapid pendant]

For me she kept just appearing inside of me without any warning

[thorny hollow]

I learned to always keep her somewhere on screen when i dodge in and out of range
I think she generally only does it when you run far enough away

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah it gets bad in the latter phases where those void attacks such as the balls popping up can obscure her

[severe siren]

I like lost lace but i can understand the complaints

[severe siren]

Obscur…

[thorny hollow]

I love lost lace

[rare axle]

if you guys are struggling with lost lace parry, you can avoid it 100% of the time and turn it into pretty big damage windows like this

basically jump + dash will always move you out of the hitbox, from there you can respond based on what she does

[supple flax]

she can start her next attack while the void geysers are firing and that's peak visual clarity

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[thorny hollow]

Absolutety amazing boss for me

[spark valve]

I'm like 90% sure her using the tendrils to hide when she pops out is intentional (and because she does safe attacks from there that's actually almost fair)

[foggy fractal]

oh yeah THAT is intentional

[cloud plover]

this is true i can see how people struggled with that

[spark valve]

the diagonal dive or tendril flurry are super easy to avoid even if you don't see her until she's already doing it

[foggy fractal]

she does an attack where two tendrils come up from either side and then she hops out from one of them

what I'm talking about is the six void balls that she spit out and then covers basically half the ground

[severe siren]

The tendril pillars are definitely a distraction, just move to the safe spot and dont be fooled

[spark valve]

I like it too it just uh has some accessibility issues

[severe siren]

It is rough though

[foggy fractal]

turn game brightness to 150% like what I did for the whole game trust

its weird seeing others play silksong so dark

[severe siren]

Lace being the finale was unexpected

[vapid pendant]

Also like what changes after the 2nd scream
After the first one she makes void start to appear from the ground, next she changes into her second form and after some dmg she screamd again but literally nothing changes

[cloud plover]

when is the silksong comprehensive lore guide dropping

[golden herald]

lost lace final phase was just too messy for me, i didn't feel very accomplished after beating it

[supple flax]

i mostly avoided that by running under her when she's spitting bc it's free damage then jump+float she usually doesn't queue her next attack till balls are gone

[naive cargo]

exp 33 got goty in the bag

[spark valve]

she starts doing the nukes and having the waves

[severe siren]

Oh btw lace and hornet’s weapon appear in every main menu theme (after getting that ending), not just the menu screen exclusive to it

Its pretty awesome

[golden herald]

yurisong

[vapid pendant]

Nukes?
Also the waves start instantly the moment 2nd phase starts

[severe siren]

Lacenet supporters won

[spark valve]

the grab circles

[whole hawk]

Age gap yuri is crazy

[foggy fractal]

Lace being the true final boss was mid like c'mon
I've said this 3 times already but no new ai ? no new sprites ? PLEASE

[vapid pendant]

The what
I didnt see anything like that

[foggy fractal]

not saying her fight wasn't fun

[golden herald]

Her aoe speed blitz

[vapid pendant]

Either i was blind or she didnt use that attack.
I also beat her the first time I got to the second scream so that might be also why

[severe siren]

Lowkey wanted a void boss
Not lost lace but more like some freaky thing

[foggy fractal]

me i am freaky

[severe siren]

Just for whatever

[golden herald]

ngl i was scared gma silk was going to do something in the fight

[foggy fractal]

maybe a boss version of the guys who spit void at you

[spark valve]

steel soul:

[naive cargo]

Sigh

[severe siren]

I think the big pukers were cool and nearly fill that niche for me anyway

[severe siren]

Look i didnt want void to have a huge part in this game regardless

[naive cargo]

No its just

I know who couldve filled that void

[vapid pendant]

Honestly i kinda get that
We got radiance which was meant as an angelic being.. kinda
So for this game an actual eldritch horror aould be cool

[foggy fractal]

Sharpe ?

[spark valve]

steel city update is real

[severe siren]

Ah

[naive cargo]

wouldve pissed off a lot of people here but

my smile

[golden herald]

Do we know the lore behind that cursed baby? I was kinda confused by the curse and it's ending in general

[severe siren]

Oh right
I unironically think thats still not off the table

[golden herald]

where even are those 3, I never saw them

[vapid pendant]

Just one evil ass baby

[foggy fractal]

do we have a compilation of their dialogue ? what was their name again ? Zi ?

[spark valve]

not in the game

[cloud plover]

we basically don’t know shit about anything, or atleast me

[spark valve]

no but you could find the videos

[severe siren]

What even is the new thing in steel soul anyway

I dont care hearing atp

[golden herald]

Wait what?? Wasn't at least one in a trailer?

[vapid pendant]

Two confirmed new rooms and maybe 2 other rooms

[whole hawk]

But Sharpe is still gone, yeah?

[vapid pendant]

99%

[naive cargo]

Steel Seer Zi gives a quest to "hunt" down her vassal or else both her and the vassal will be hunted down by The Masters

[spark valve]

so there's this steel fucker you find whose vassal ran away and you gotta hunt them down and oop turns out they summoned a void monster to escape their duty so you kill that and then chat with them and then you go back to the steel fucker and say "hey actually your buddy is awol good luck with that" and they give you a shell shard breakable item that regenerates

[foggy fractal]

well here's every text in silksong https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u9ei3rGxqm3Xd9q8Y6h6VaExCGZhKxrNyhyDYwOUBlY/edit?tab=t.0
ctrl f and type in steel sentinel for Zi's dialogue

[severe siren]

Steel assassins had a major role no shot they aren’t coming in an update

[spark valve]

it looks cool at least

[naive cargo]

not just any shell shard

[severe siren]

You know whats sad?

[naive cargo]

a shell shard from her homeland

[severe siren]

Barnacle area 😔

[cloud plover]

trueeeee

[vapid pendant]

Tbh looks like those void things on walls in act 3

[naive cargo]

and also what shes made out of and assumely all other steel creatures

[vapid pendant]

Steel

[severe siren]

Interesting

[whole hawk]

Steel faction DLC definitely seems like an Act 3 deal where they suddenly pop up across the world now that the vokd is going crazy in pharlolm

[severe siren]

I love widow design tbh

[foggy fractal]

no barnacle town... no coral area...

not ant colony...

[severe siren]

Act 4 - Hallownest

[foggy fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/walks-away-sad-leave-tom-and-jerry-gif-16877258

[spark valve]

oh yeah and apparently the steel fuckers like hate you if you interact with void so that might be why they send people to go kill hornet who knows

[severe siren]

Sharpe in the white palace throne room swirling his wine glass full of void

What is a bug? A miserable little pile of soul

[sly quail]

Act 5: Land of Storms

[cloud plover]

the blasted sands exit on the left side opens up and connects to kingdoms edge on the hallownest map

[spark valve]

City of Steel*

[foggy fractal]

also what's all this talk of City of Steel about

what dialogue is this from

[severe siren]

Is city of steel an actual thing datamined or smth

[naive cargo]

from one

[spark valve]

one of the notes in cradle mentions a weaver being apprehended from the city of steel

[naive cargo]

lore tablet

[severe siren]

Oh wait i remember that

and gasping

Then i forgot cause i said to myself ill see that eventually

[foggy fractal]

Weaver, in quarter part, last of their line, staked to service.<br>Tracked and taken beneath the City of Steel.<br>Eight Choristors, twelve Envoys lost to task. </entry>

this ?

[spark valve]

lot of casualties too

[spark valve]

yes that

[naive cargo]

let me tell you before the steel soul stuff was found, that being the only content had me DEPRESSED

its all uphill

[severe siren]

The content updates scare me cause of what they said

[foggy fractal]

City of Steel can't possibly refer to the Citadel right ? its got capilzation and stuff and it doesn't line up with First Sinner right

[severe siren]

Something ambitious they said

[acoustic rock]

Average bilewater experience: Yo guys there's a bench in that arena looking room after not having a bench for half the area- hey wait a minute, WAIT GROAL NO-

[spark valve]

it's not the citadel no

[cloud plover]

what are the things that are most likely to be expounded upon in a dlc

[severe siren]

Citadel-sized area but steel themed would be insane

[cloud plover]

steel city, maybe nameless town

[foggy fractal]

Citadel is huge

[spark valve]

nameless town doesn't really need much expansion it's kinda resolved

[naive cargo]

its like limgrave...

[cloud plover]

how

[vapid pendant]

We need 5 more hours of lace backstory frfr

[sly quail]

you know what nameless town needs? a name

[severe siren]

Steel assassins, hopefully barnacle area returns since that seems important and we havent seen a backer town i think, and ofc the endgame stuff like boss refighting and whatnot

[cloud plover]

what does this mean

[naive cargo]

nameless town is what I assume where the first pilgrims first heard about the citadel

[spark valve]

I don't know why barnacle area would be important

[foggy fractal]

guh...

[severe siren]

Replace important with significant

[cloud plover]

yea godhome will for sure come i would like to see the barnacle area

[sly quail]

you put hallownest on the wrong side

[foggy fractal]

its just a size comparison

[severe siren]

Like its too visually distinct and jarring for me to believe it’s getting cut
The boats and the npc and whatnot

[foggy fractal]

same with coral bro

[cloud plover]

what does this mean

[foggy fractal]

dis is tragic ! ts pmo !!

[spark valve]

there's nothing to do with it

[cloud plover]

well yea exactly

but it’s in the game

[naive cargo]

if the dlc is sea themed bugs and crustaceans OH LORDY

[severe siren]

The point of nameless town is having nothing it would kinda defeat the purpose imo

[spark valve]

so is fuckin mosshome that doesn't mean a mosshome dlc makes sense

[cloud plover]

ok because moss home is completely fleshed out ???

[severe siren]

Or well having some things duh but not anything crazy its a very cool fact that it exists regardless

I love moments in games like that where you feel like what youre doing is illegal

[spark valve]

so is nameless town yup

there's as much there as it makes sense to have there

[naive cargo]

also isnt it not the last place for mrmushroom quest

[severe siren]

Yeah its the last place

[spark valve]

it is

[naive cargo]

well see

[vapid pendant]

I really think if tc will ever make a next game in this world, it will be about the wilderness

[cloud plover]

exactly, just enough to make you ask questions before they answer those in a dlc

[spark valve]

no there are no interesting questions

[cloud plover]

[foggy fractal]

so hornet and lace start rebuilding pharloom
ngl I would like to move there sounds fun

[severe siren]

Idk why mfs obsess over kingdoms in hk universe life looks so chill in the surface when you arent swarmed by centipedes like that one comic

[foggy fractal]

nah the surface seems barren and hard to live in